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Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 09:19:34
If this pandemic lasts for 12 or 18 months before things return to whatever normal is then, what state will football, as we know it, be in?

There’s no way a host of clubs, ourselves included, could survive with no income. Players get laid off, owners whose businesses fund clubs go bankrupt. Even the big boys whose wage bill is virtually what they get from TV and sponsors will not be immune.

What would STFC fans do without STFC?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 09:48:50
It won't last that long, we'll have all had it by then if we are going to catch it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 09:48:50
well, we have to hope that doesn't happen. So many businesses will go under not just football

from an stfc point of view we'd need financial help. But there are bugger fish to fry for the government.

Maybe a mothballing of the club and with minimum maintenance and layoff of all staff with the hope of resurrecting it later?

But I think 12-18 months is alarmist even if hypothetical. hopefully


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 09:57:13
There won't be much point in keeping people isolated after a point, surely? The whole idea is to slow the spread to help the health system cope. What's the point in keeping people inside when most of us have already had it?

Although a second wave in the winter could be troublesome I suppose. Which was supposedly what Boris was trying to account for in his bungled attempt at dealing with it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:02:41
I assume even with the PL now there are going to be issues, yes they have the TV money but that's based upon a contract to provide football for the broadcasters to show, will depend what the contracts say but as the PL is not providing the service its contracted to provide are the TV companies going to want their cash back?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:06:43
As I said originally, one of the biggest problems will be how some owner’s businesses have fared during the crisis. If they are close to being unsustainable I’d imagine they’d jettison a football club pretty quickly if it meant their core business survived.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:10:23
I assume even with the PL now there are going to be issues, yes they have the TV money but that's based upon a contract to provide football for the broadcasters to show, will depend what the contracts say but as the PL is not providing the service its contracted to provide are the TV companies going to want their cash back?

well sky and bt have said no refunds to customers so surely they cant ask for money back from clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:22:27
As I said originally, one of the biggest problems will be how some owner’s businesses have fared during the crisis. If they are close to being unsustainable I’d imagine they’d jettison a football club pretty quickly if it meant their core business survived.

Where does Power actually get his cash from?

well sky and bt have said no refunds to customers so surely they cant ask for money back from clubs.

Will all depend what the contracts say I suspect?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:24:47
Clubs will mothball - lay off all non-playing staff and as many players as possible and then rebuild as and when they have to.

I'd imagine we'd go bowl-in-hand to the council for a break on rent, ask fans to contribute to the running costs of a mothballed organisation. If there are no players, no staff, no rent and minimal operating costs, the entity survives but the rebuild would be carnage.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:25:24
well sky and bt have said no refunds to customers so surely they cant ask for money back from clubs.

Sky will allow you to remove your sports subscription with notice charge.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:32:32
Clubs will mothball - lay off all non-playing staff and as many players as possible and then rebuild as and when they have to.

I'd imagine we'd go bowl-in-hand to the council for a break on rent, ask fans to contribute to the running costs of a mothballed organisation. If there are no players, no staff, no rent and minimal operating costs, the entity survives but the rebuild would be carnage.
But if the fans have no income,  no work.............   vicious circle,  it ain't gonna end pretty.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:05:53
Where does Power actually get his cash from?
I was just thinking the self same thing. For all the time being here and, supposedly, injecting funds regularly, just where does he get it from?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:09:06
I was just thinking the self same thing. For all the time being here and, supposedly, injecting funds regularly, just where does he get it from?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/01/mafia-bust-how-do-mobsters-make-a-living-in-the-21st-century.html


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Badger on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:15:52
The Italian spirit is alive and well in Marsh Farm Luton

https://twitter.com/CamLTFC1/status/1239327611265986565


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:31:03
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/01/mafia-bust-how-do-mobsters-make-a-living-in-the-21st-century.html

Coming to a Facebook site near you soon!!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:31:18
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/01/mafia-bust-how-do-mobsters-make-a-living-in-the-21st-century.html
Ah. That explains it. Ta.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:39:02
TBH I think Power has lots of fingers in lots of pies, probably will have a cash flow problem though, definately going to be challenging times for him and the club and all of lower league football too.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:06:48
We could be better off than most as we have just got a chunk of season ticket money in. Clubs that haven't started season ticket sales yet will be running on fumes. I listened to the Price of Football podcast on this subject earlier this week, they reckoned it would cost c £15m to replace the lost income for the 4/5 games remaining for all L1 and L2 clubs (which are the clubs most at risk) i.e. it would cost each PL club £750k to make a solidarity payment to keep the bottom 2 divisions going. Or possibly the PL itself which apparently had cash reserves of over £1bn at the start of the season might dip in to help out.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:12:48
We could be better off than most as we have just got a chunk of season ticket money in. Clubs that haven't started season ticket sales yet will be running on fumes. I listened to the Price of Football podcast on this subject earlier this week, they reckoned it would cost c £15m to replace the lost income for the 4/5 games remaining for all L1 and L2 clubs (which are the clubs most at risk) i.e. it would cost each PL club £750k to make a solidarity payment to keep the bottom 2 divisions going. Or possibly the PL itself which apparently had cash reserves of over £1bn at the start of the season might dip in to help out.
Therein lies the problem, the Premier League, who never make money available further down the ladder to help out anyone.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:15:46
Therein lies the problem, the Premier League, who never make money available further down the ladder to help out anyone.
I think they may have to this time, or risk the English football pyramid as we know it just collapsing. That's a lot of cheap lower league talent they will miss out on if that happens, it will certainly cost them more than £750k each to replace from abroad. Assuming they even can buy in from abroad in a post-virus, post-Brexit world.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:45:00
they reckoned it would cost c £15m to replace the lost income for the 4/5 games remaining for all L1 and L2 clubs (which are the clubs most at risk)

What about the Championship, with the wages there compared to the revenues I wonder whether this is the real ticking time bomb!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:47:35
What about the Championship, with the wages there compared to the revenues I wonder whether this is the real ticking time bomb!
Yes I thought that too. They didn't discuss that, frustratingly, just what kind of bailout the bottom two divisions would need and how (comparatively) easy it would be to provide it and how the PL clubs would largely be all right (for now). But if this goes on for 6 months or more, it could start to impact PL clubs as well - large contracts and no income, although a lot of those contracts are heavily incentivised so with no matches being played it would just be base salary they need to pay out


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:33:06
Latest from the EFL

‘The EFL Board met today to discuss the implications of the COVID-19 outbreak for the League and its Clubs.

After receiving a detailed brief on a number of matters, the Board reaffirmed that the health and well-being of EFL staff, players, Club employees and supporters would remain central to all decisions in these fast-changing circumstances.

The EFL Board also acknowledges the positive role that member Clubs are playing in community solidarity, especially in supporting the vulnerable at this time.

2019/20 SEASON SCHEDULE

The primary objective, in order to protect competition integrity, is to deliver a successful conclusion to the 2019/20 season, subject to the over-riding priority around health and well-being. Plans continue to be developed on the agreed principle that it is in the best interests of the EFL and Clubs to complete the current season at the appropriate time.

The EFL is continuing regular dialogue with the Government and relevant health authorities and, as and when more information is known regarding the scale and extent of the coronavirus outbreak in this country, a decision will be taken on the resumption of the League’s fixtures.

Conversations will continue with the EFL’s counterparts at the FA, the Premier League, the PFA and the LMA to ensure football achieves a joined-up and collaborative approach.

FINANCIAL SUPPORT

As part of the League’s continued contingency planning, the Board heard the comments and observations from EFL Clubs, before discussing a number of issues including the current financial position and implications, insurance, regulatory matters and broadcasting arrangements.

Discussions centred on financial relief for Clubs in the short term and while there is no one single solution, measures are to be put in place to immediately assist with cash flow via a £50million short-term relief package.

This fund consists of the remaining Basic Award payments being advanced to Clubs immediately, with the remainder made up through interest-free loan facility available to Clubs, calculated in line with the EFL’s Article of Associations.

The cash injection is included as part of a series of measures, that includes potential Government support to help Clubs and their associated businesses through this period of uncertainty.  The EFL welcomes last night’s announcement made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and is continuing discussions to understand how our Clubs can access the funding made available to support businesses.

In addition, we will continue our discussions with our football partners to determine how we can all get through this difficult, challenging and unprecedented situation.

CONTINGENCY PLANNING

The EFL, through a dedicated taskforce, continues to review the threat posed by the coronavirus pandemic, and its impact on our Clubs and competitions.

Alongside ensuring the 2019/20 season reaches a successful conclusion, protecting the EFL and its Clubs is a key priority for the EFL Board, who have today agreed on the following objectives to support future decision-making:

Ensure the health and well-being of our Clubs’ employees, supporters and communities
Make a positive contribution to the UK’s efforts to tackle coronavirus
Protect the EFL’s financial model and Club finances
Enable the EFL to continue to function as a business
Deliver a successful conclusion to the 2019/20 season’


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:40:26
Not STFC related but....

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ask-players-and-staff-take-50-cent-wage-cut-due-coronavirus-2493718


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:42:37
Latest from the EFL
Fair play that £50m could make a big difference to a lot of clubs. Suspect it's not quite enough still though, and again, would be nice to see the PL chucking in a few crumbs from down the back of their sofas. Could save L1 and L2 without breaking a sweat


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:59:01
Not STFC related but....

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/hearts-ask-players-and-staff-take-50-cent-wage-cut-due-coronavirus-2493718
On a brighter note

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51943721

(Not a criticism of Hearts I get that they operate in a completely different financial landscape)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:18:09
Coronavirus: English football suspension extended until at least 30 April - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51962751

Dale Vince at his finest suggesting the EFL season could have been finished? I thought their season ended a while ago.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:54:08
All L2 clubs to get £284,000 from the EFL


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, March 20, 2020, 17:43:08
Fair play that £50m could make a big difference to a lot of clubs. Suspect it's not quite enough still though, and again, would be nice to see the PL chucking in a few crumbs from down the back of their sofas. Could save L1 and L2 without breaking a sweat
Or the FA...they are only ever good at ripping the wallets off fans.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:02:30
So what happens.......  On a Saturday afternoon,  no footy, no pub....divorce cases are sure to rocket over the coming months !!!!.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:01:16
Perhaps we will be drawn closer together.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 19:36:47
Southern, Isthmian and Northern Leagues (feeders into the National League/Conference) have begun the process to terminate the season now. Up in the air how the season will be concluded and what happens with promotion/relegation etc

https://www.betvictorsouthern.co.uk/News/124013/League-Statement-Season-201920-#.XnpAJk4nehc.twitter


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 20:44:21
They can't void unless the whole pyramid does, otherwise what happens with those relegated from above?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 20:53:56
They can't void unless the whole pyramid does, otherwise what happens with those relegated from above?
From reading the statement, the pressing issue appears to be that they need to end the season due to financial pressure on clubs otherwise. And they're happy to go along with whatever the NL decide about how to conclude the season i.e. void if that's what the NL do, PPG if the NL do decide to complete the season in some way.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 21:04:40
Sort of inevitable in the semi-professional leagues as unfortunate as it is.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 22:28:02
From reading the statement, the pressing issue appears to be that they need to end the season due to financial pressure on clubs otherwise. And they're happy to go along with whatever the NL decide about how to conclude the season i.e. void if that's what the NL do, PPG if the NL do decide to complete the season in some way.
PPG would be ideal for us if the football league eventually have to go down that route.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 14:45:05
I know it’s the Daily Star but it looks like the National League are going to call time on the current season and promote Barrow and Harrogate to L2. So, if the EFL season doesn’t conclude they’ll be 26 teams in L2 next season.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/national-league-vote-immediately-end-21750382.amp?__twitter_impression=true


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 14:50:35
I know it’s the Daily Star but it looks like the National League are going to call time on the current season and promote Barrow and Harrogate to L2. So, if the EFL season doesn’t conclude they’ll be 26 teams in L2 next season.
That's not in the National League's gift without the cooperation of the Football League. The National League can say "These are the top two and we think they should go up" but if the Football League doesn't conclude then the League could just say no promotion or relegation this season and keep it to the current 23 teams (or more likely accept the top one from the National League to make it up to 24). So even if the Star's report is accurate as to what the National League will decide (which is just speculation on their part), their conclusions are bollocks.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:01:55
That's not in the National League's gift without the cooperation of the Football League. The National League can say "These are the top two and we think they should go up" but if the Football League doesn't conclude then the League could just say no promotion or relegation this season and keep it to the current 23 teams (or more likely accept the top one from the National League to make it up to 24). So even if the Star's report is accurate as to what the National League will decide (which is just speculation on their part), their conclusions are bollocks.

Surely the other clubs that have a chance of promotion will take legal action over that?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:06:52
Surely the other clubs that have a chance of promotion will take legal action over that?
Probably. Although that's if they can afford it, a lot of NL clubs are going to be absoutely brassic, laying off staff etc already, not sure they're going to have money to throw around on legal challenges?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:20:28
Probably. Although that's if they can afford it, a lot of NL clubs are going to be absoutely brassic, laying off staff etc already, not sure they're going to have money to throw around on legal challenges?

Well that's a very good point as well. Messy isn't it?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 11:39:05
Forest Green put all their staff, including playing staff, on furlough, using the 80% wage scheme:

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/forest-green-rovers-use-wage-3979490

Not sure if they're the first league club to do this, damn sure they won't be the last


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 11:49:32
Forest Green put all their staff, including playing staff, on furlough, using the 80% wage scheme:

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/forest-green-rovers-use-wage-3979490

Not sure if they're the first league club to do this, damn sure they won't be the last

Leeds players and staff voted for a wage deferral.
The government scheme is up to a max of £2500 a month so cant see many outside of league 2 and lower taking advantage of that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:54:25
Leeds players and staff voted for a wage deferral.
Think I read Exeter have agreed to 50% wage cut, but may have that wrong. Barca in talks about 70% pay cut too.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/25/barcelona-in-talks-to-cut-player-wages-by-up-to-70-during-coronavirus-lockdown
The government scheme is up to a max of £2500 a month so cant see many outside of league 2 and lower taking advantage of that.
Might apply to quite a few L1 players as well, esp if the alternative is 50-75% cuts or even nothing. But you're right, can't see it being used in Championship and above, I was mainly thinking about L1/L2/Conference really


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 14:39:00
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Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 16:01:56
That's not in the National League's gift without the cooperation of the Football League. The National League can say "These are the top two and we think they should go up" but if the Football League doesn't conclude then the League could just say no promotion or relegation this season and keep it to the current 23 teams (or more likely accept the top one from the National League to make it up to 24). So even if the Star's report is accurate as to what the National League will decide (which is just speculation on their part), their conclusions are bollocks.

From the Non League Paper:

BREAKING: Non-League Steps 3 to 6 have reached a consensus that the 2019/20 season will be ended with immediate effect and all results will be expunged.

This will mean that there will be no promotion or relegation of Clubs between Steps 3 to 6, or relegation from Step 2.

These decisions will also apply to the leagues and clubs at Step 7 of the National League System.

The FA will continue to assist and support the National League to determine the outcome of the 2019/20 season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 16:03:31
Step 2 is National league North/south

Step 1 is National league


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 16:14:18
For us there is either going to a repeat of 1989/90 and 30 years on denied promotion because of off the field matters.

Alternatively a little bit of retribution 30 years on and we could be promoted without concluding the season.

The other irony is 1989/90 was the last time Liverpool won the league.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 16:37:01
From the Non League Paper:

BREAKING: Non-League Steps 3 to 6 have reached a consensus that the 2019/20 season will be ended with immediate effect and all results will be expunged.

This will mean that there will be no promotion or relegation of Clubs between Steps 3 to 6, or relegation from Step 2.

These decisions will also apply to the leagues and clubs at Step 7 of the National League System.

The FA will continue to assist and support the National League to determine the outcome of the 2019/20 season.
Original FA statement is here (says the same, NLP have copied and pasted pretty much):

http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/mar/26/national-league-system-womens-football-pyramid-grassroots-covid-19-update-260320


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 17:10:20
Ooof, supermarine were 4th which I’m guessing would have been a play off place


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 17:12:56
As mentioned yesterday, it was inevitable for that level.

One or two teams playing catch-up because of cup runs and postponements is one thing but multiple levels all scrambling when players and staff have other commitments etc. was never going to happen.

Supermarine have indeed lost what would have been their highest finish. Expunged. Gone. A gutter for them.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, March 27, 2020, 19:26:18
EFL statement

Quote
The Premier League, EFL and PFA met today and discussed the growing seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic.

It was stressed that the thoughts of all three organisations continue to be with everyone affected by the virus.

The Premier League, EFL and PFA agreed that difficult decisions will have to be taken in order to mitigate the economic impact of the current suspension of professional football in England and agreed to work together to arrive at shared solutions.


The leagues will not recommence until April 30 at the earliest. They will only do so when it is safe and conditions allow.

Further meetings will take place next week with a view to formulating a joint plan to deal with the difficult circumstances facing the leagues, their clubs, players, staff and fans.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 27, 2020, 19:28:35
Judging by that the EFL seem to want to finish the season, which is good. Things can change very quickly though.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Friday, March 27, 2020, 19:37:14
Judging by that the EFL seem to want to finish the season, which is good. Things can change very quickly though.

Either sorted by ppg or complexity of nearest roundabout (Flashheart's idea, I think).

If they bin off the season how can we be sure any game we watch again will count.  That would be a terrible decision.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 27, 2020, 19:41:26
Either sorted by ppg or complexity of nearest roundabout (Flashheart's idea, I think).


It would be a fucking scandal if they don't adopt it. (Or any other option that sees us promoted).


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 13, 2020, 09:06:34
Apparently, several clubs in L1 and L2 want the season finished now as it’s financially better for them than hanging on until the season is restarted - if it ever is. Players will be OOC end of June so that will help some.

For those clubs who want to do that, let them - they then forfeit the points to the opposition for any unplayed games.

All this kicking the can down the road is doing no favours to anyone. Finish the season any way they can. If it’s as you were on league positions now, then it’s just tough shit for some clubs. Same for ppg. If it’s not sorted very quickly more clubs will fold.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Monday, April 13, 2020, 09:19:34
Allowing a couple of teams to forfeit is still a farce if trying to complete the season and defies the whole point of finishing the season, doesn't it?

Also, awarding rollover points isn't fair to other sides and I imagine it would be more likely to see results expunged which means clubs losing as many as six points.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, April 13, 2020, 09:33:03
Not a good idea. It could seriously shift some postions around. Some teams that were at the top might miss out and others at the bottom might get an unfair reprieve at the cost of others. At least with PPG you get a reflection (albeit imperfect) of each team's performance overall.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 13, 2020, 09:59:38
I get that there’s no good way of sorting it out, but the point really isn’t about certain clubs may benefit or be disadvantaged by it. It’s about some clubs very survival.

For all we know we could be one of the clubs pushing for it - I doubt it, but how does Power finance the club with no money coming in and nobody really sure where his ‘other’ money comes from. Is it enough to keep the club afloat? Is it something he actually wants to do - if he can’t afford it, he can’t afford it?

Will we still pay Doyle £5k a week after June in case the season restarts? Ditto the others?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:38:18
Apparently, several clubs in L1 and L2 want the season finished now as it’s financially better for them than hanging on until the season is restarted
Is this from a trusted news media outlet?

Qs I have. Match tickets I have already bought: if I cannot go to the game & I decide to donate the ticket fee to STFC, how can I be sure that the club benefits rather than someone else?
If I want a refund on my Walsall away match ticket, will I be penalising STFC or saddling Walsall with the repayment?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:49:49
Of course some midtable sides would be happy to season to finish now and start afresh in August, makes sense for them.  Allowing some teams to forfeit points is comfortably the worst idea I’ve heard for multiple reasons, would never happen


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Monday, April 13, 2020, 12:52:23
Of course some midtable sides would be happy to season to finish now and start afresh in August, makes sense for them.  Allowing some teams to forfeit points is comfortably the worst idea I’ve heard for multiple reasons, would never happen
Not to mention teams who would have gone down! But no, forfeiting isn't the answer


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Monday, April 13, 2020, 14:59:21
Take a look at nearby Wantage Town, promoted to the Southern League Division One Central at start of 2019/20 season.
Playing record this season is P28 W1 D1 L26 GD-105(yes, minus 105) Pts4.
Season null and void as ratified by the FA.
https://www.betvictorsouthern.co.uk/league-table/BetVictor%20Southern%20Division%20One%20Central/2019/2020/P/ (https://www.betvictorsouthern.co.uk/league-table/BetVictor%20Southern%20Division%20One%20Central/2019/2020/P/)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 16:43:20
Joint Football League/PFA proposal to defer 25% of player wages in L1 and L2:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52285552


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 15:47:00
Shit is hitting the fan.

‘Senior officials at several League One and League Two clubs have warned the EFL must take drastic action to prevent them going bust amid the coronavirus pandemic.

A growing number of League One and Two owners believe the 2019-2020 season should be cancelled’


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 15:50:17
Stupid question, but how does cancelling the season help financially?? Surely all contracts still have to be honoured?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 15:54:26
I think its so that Prize money can be paid to clubs. I believe that's why Scottish lower league clubs are voting to end the season as is as some of them are very close to going to the wall.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 15:56:24
Riggggght. Then surely you need some kind of final standings, rather than a complete right off of the season, to distribute the prize money


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 15:57:18
Well, yeah. But take Doyle, for example. He’s on, say, £20k per month until the end of June.

Does Power put him on a rolling one month contract but with no idea when this season will actually start.

End it now but with a conclusion of ups and downs. If there’s ever a vote on a proposal, we’re fucked. There’s far more clubs who will either benefit from voiding the season or it makes no difference to than those of us looking at promotion.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 16:02:20
Riggggght. Then surely you need some kind of final standings, rather than a complete right off of the season, to distribute the prize money

Agreed. Presume clubs don't really mean cancelling the season, more like stop as is? As you say, we need to know positions to be able to distribute prize money.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 16:03:59
Hard to listen to this. He reckons every single L1 and L2 clubs have said there is no way they can get beyond May as things stand.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11973696/several-efl-clubs-days-away-from-going-bust


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 17:37:54
Agreed. Presume clubs don't really mean cancelling the season, more like stop as is? As you say, we need to know positions to be able to distribute prize money.

I think so. We will go same way as Scotland are looking like doing and start next season as soon is possible after August


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 18:04:47
Or the monies are just distributed equally to all clubs in the division.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 18:32:18
I think so. We will go same way as Scotland are looking like doing and start next season as soon is possible after August

The Scottish decision could help.  Not exactly a precedent that has to be followed, but it would certainly make it easier to follow suit.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dundee-vote-yes-spfl-proposal-18097487



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 18:59:17
PL demanding the season is finalised before 30 June before player contracts run out.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 19:37:57
Ppg the season and be done with it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 22:38:31
The Scottish decision could help.  Not exactly a precedent that has to be followed, but it would certainly make it easier to follow suit.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dundee-vote-yes-spfl-proposal-18097487


Let’s not do it like Scotland, apparently Partick Thistle have been relegated despite having a game in hand that would take them out of the relegation zone if they won. Unsurprisingly they are already saying they will take legal action. Has to be PPG if going down the complete now route for this very reason.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 23:35:56
Would be interesting to hear their rationale for not using PPG.  It would be a shame to miss out on the title, but I could live with 2nd place, to be honest.  Promotion is the main consideration for me.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 08:40:38
All teams in a league should vote for where they think the other 23 would finish realistically.  that might work. any anomalies independently reviewed.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 09:41:10
but I could live with 2nd place

They could do that, just allow 'promotion' but not crown a champion.

Local league youth football have crowned anyone in first or runner up spot that can not be caught on points, but scrapped it for everyone else. At least that's how I read their gumf.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 09:45:37
There have been calls for promotion but no relegation and have a season with more teams in each league.

But those escaping relegation would be huge winners - especially in the PL - unless they can massively reduce those clubs’ financial gain.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 09:47:44
those escaping relegation would be huge winners - especially in the PL - unless they can massively reduce those clubs’ financial gain.

One presumes that to even be considered the existing members won't have their TV money diluted.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 10:07:33
There have been calls for promotion but no relegation and have a season with more teams in each league.

But those escaping relegation would be huge winners - especially in the PL - unless they can massively reduce those clubs’ financial gain.

It would only be the prem who would end up with more teams. No chance they vote that to dilute their TV money


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 10:21:21
There have been calls for promotion but no relegation and have a season with more teams in each league.

But those escaping relegation would be huge winners - especially in the PL - unless they can massively reduce those clubs’ financial gain.
Well and Bolton and Southend. If Bolton weren’t to get relegated they’d effectively have escaped any punishment for the mess they were in, that can’t happen.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 10:26:26
Reinstate the punishment next season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:05:56
Would be interesting to hear their rationale for not using PPG.  It would be a shame to miss out on the title, but I could live with 2nd place, to be honest.  Promotion is the main consideration for me.

Watching football is the main consideration for me. Would rather we resumed when it's safe and lost every game than go up in these circumstances.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:21:38
weird! :)

The problem is you can't keep a squad together indefinitely. Once the limit of being able to do so is reached the whole thing becomes a farce fans or no fans.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:25:24
weird! :)

The problem is you can't keep a squad together indefinitely. Once the limit of being able to do so is reached the whole thing becomes a farce fans or no fans.

Always been weird about this sort of stuff. I sort of don't care what division we're in, so long as I can get to some games and it's enjoyable when we're there, with positive fans and half-decent football. For example, I'd take this season over any of the last 2 or 3 in League One.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:34:00
fair enough. not judging you. it's hard to argue this season hasn't been the most enjoyable in a long time.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:36:08
I'm torn between wanting to take promotion now and wanting to continue what has been a very enoyable season. We can't be sure when the next one will come around.

Having said that, there's no guarantee this season will continue to be as much fun if it did continue. Rather a lot has changed since the last time we played.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:51:50
I'm torn between wanting to take promotion now and wanting to continue what has been a very enoyable season. We can't be sure when the next one will come around.

Having said that, there's no guarantee this season will continue to be as much fun if it did continue. Rather a lot has changed since the last time we played.
Absolutely this.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:57:12
I’ve gone from being desperate for the games to be finished and now desperate for the season to be finished - not voided, mind.

From an unselfish point of view, I really dont want any club to fold under these circumstances - even that lot up the road.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:01:07
Always been weird about this sort of stuff. I sort of don't care what division we're in, so long as I can get to some games and it's enjoyable when we're there, with positive fans and half-decent football. For example, I'd take this season over any of the last 2 or 3 in League One.
Kind of with you there but the standard in League 2 is fucking terrible. Much more likely to see a decent game in L1 than L2 (notwithstanding your actually quite reasonable point about the last two seasons we were there). Bottom line though, I just want a club to support. If that means canning the season now, can away say I


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: kirky69 on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:16:58
I'm torn between wanting to take promotion now and wanting to continue what has been a very enoyable season. We can't be sure when the next one will come around.

Having said that, there's no guarantee this season will continue to be as much fun if it did continue. Rather a lot has changed since the last time we played.

I only hope that one of these two scenarios actually transpire. I am becoming increasingly sceptical about this, as many L2 club owners are apparently saying they will not support playing the remaining games behind closed doors, due to associated costs and not even sure that players would agree, given health risks. If it is not feasible to finish the season before June 30th, I can not see it being finished at all due to players contract issues and clubs dire cashflow positions, with next to no income coming in. Then it comes down to option of season being declared null and void or promotions/relegations being awarded based on current positions or ppg and I believe that the null and void option would be chosen, due to majority vote. This would be the absolute nightmare for us and particularly gut wrenching bearing in mind our current league position.

I fear for the future of the majority of lower league football clubs, including ours, where I can see the 2020/21 season being played out behind closed doors, with much reduced playing staff on significantly reduced wages, possibly with many league clubs in administration or worse still.

The irony is that it has taken a pandemic virus to bring to a head the financial crisis that has existed for many years in football. The football bubble is finally bursting. You can not continue to pay out 100%+ of your income on player wages. The greed of the top 6 clubs in the Premiership, backed by wealthy foreign billionaires,  has gone unchecked and caused massive wage inflation throughout the pyramid. It is a disgrace, the football authorities are completely toothless and the PFA led by that grossly overpaid and irritating little shit Gordon Taylor are nothing short of an embarressment. The top Premier clubs need to be mandated now to donate a percentage of their wealth ( not by way of loans or advances on money due later) to support lower league clubs through this crisis and there then needs to be proper regulation in all leagues around player wages relative to a clubs income (do not allow owners loans to prop up) and stop this stupid rule which exists in the Championship around a club being allowed to lose several £m's per season, which only encourages gambling on a clubs future.

Unfortunately self interest is likely to prevail and for that reason I can only see the inequality in football growing, and the number of professional lower league teams diminishing. I hope I am wrong.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:19:23
I only hope that one of these two scenarios actually transpire. I am becoming increasingly sceptical about this, as many L2 club owners are apparently saying they will not support playing the remaining games behind closed doors, due to associated costs and not even sure that players would agree, given health risks. If it is not feasible to finish the season before June 30th, I can not see it being finished at all due to players contract issues and clubs dire cashflow positions, with next to no income coming in. Then it comes down to option of season being declared null and void or promotions/relegations being awarded based on current positions or ppg and I believe that the null and void option would be chosen, due to majority vote. This would be the absolute nightmare for us and particularly gut wrenching bearing in mind our current league position.

I fear for the future of the majority of lower league football clubs, including ours, where I can see the 2020/21 season being played out behind closed doors, with much reduced playing staff on significantly reduced wages, possibly with many league clubs in administration or worse still.

The irony is that it has taken a pandemic virus to bring to a head the financial crisis that has existed for many years in football. The football bubble is finally bursting. You can not continue to pay out 100%+ of your income on player wages. The greed of the top 6 clubs in the Premiership, backed by wealthy foreign billionaires,  has gone unchecked and caused massive wage inflation throughout the pyramid. It is a disgrace, the football authorities are completely toothless and the PFA led by that grossly overpaid and irritating little shit Gordon Taylor are nothing short of an embarressment. The top Premier clubs need to be mandated now to donate a percentage of their wealth ( not by way of loans or advances on money due later) to support lower league clubs through this crisis and there then needs to be proper regulation in all leagues around player wages relative to a clubs income (do not allow owners loans to prop up) and stop this stupid rule which exists in the Championship around a club being allowed to lose several £m's per season, which only encourages gambling on a clubs future.

Unfortunately self interest is likely to prevail and for that reason I can only see the inequality in football growing, and the number of professional lower league teams diminishing. I hope I am wrong.
100% agree with every word of this. Absolutely spot on


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:38:57
Reinstate the punishment next season.
You know that wouldn’t happen, same with Southend they are 20 points adrift how can they get a reprieve. It would be a complete joke if a 75% complete season was made to ‘never to have happened’ as fans and clubs alike have probably spent billions on this season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 13:07:34
I think we may have to face the fact that football as we know it is absolutely fucked.

Maybe a few PL clubs can operate with no attendance money, but those in the next 3 leagues can’t. Fans or, indeed, any large gatherings will continue to be banned until there is a vaccine.

How many clubs could survive that - no games until the 2021/22 season (with fans attending). Could clubs just lie dormant with no staff until then? But when it could start up again those clubs will have no money anyway to pay players or all the other associated costs.

Much the same as the thousands of ordinary businesses that will cease to exist.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 13:14:18
This virus won't be around forever.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 16, 2020, 13:15:40
The problem is, though, that neither will a shedload of clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Leggett on Friday, April 17, 2020, 10:13:30
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/football-league-championship-return-behind-closed-doors-tv-stream-online-a9470056.html

No date yet, obviously, but at least something is confimed...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 17, 2020, 10:15:42
his statement

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/april/open-letter-to-supporters


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 17, 2020, 10:30:52
his statement

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/april/open-letter-to-supporters

Nothing in there about financial support for clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2020, 10:33:52
Behind closed doors > expunging season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 17, 2020, 10:43:36
There's nothing definitive in that statement*. Previously the EFL hoped to be back up and running in early April. Then late April. Now BCD... at some point, hopefully.

We will see.

*Open letter


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:12:31
there only thing the *open letter* does is sow the seeds in preparation for BCD, TV only football.

Wonder if it's simply an FA holding pattern , or whether there are ongoing talks with the government on a 'if we relax lockdown next time' basis.

we can only speculate.

god I'm bored


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:15:25
Behind closed doors seems most likely if lockdown ends up getting reduced gradually. Non-Essential office jobs / shops etc are lower risk than crowds at football games, pubs, gigs etc. So in the event lockdown gets reduced but not stopped completely for big events etc. The Behind Closed Doors becomes a good way of getting the season done.

Sorry that was a horribly written set of non-sentences. I hope it makes sense.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:43:05
What happens if these games get shunted past 30 June when OOC players and loanees may have left?

We’ll end up playing the last 10 games with youths and whatever under contract pros we have left. How can that be representative of the previous games that got us top of the league?

Those middle for diddle clubs with no interest in play offs or relegation would have let as many players go as possible to save money - quite understandably.

The PL money, which is not new money only next season’s solidarity money brought forward, would be wasted on a host meaningless games.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:47:32
How would behind closed doors work? Presumably, clubs would still play at their home grounds otherwise that risks the integrity of having home and away fixtures for 3/4 of the season and not finishing that way.

There were some noises about playing games at places like St George's Park. Surely, you would want to play or your own pitch and have some advantage although our wind tunnel would be diminished in June.

The iFollow idea is interesting but if you were a season ticket holder should you have to pay again for live streaming of home games?

Personally, I hand over my season ticket money and it's the clubs. I wouldn't ask for a refund for the remaining games but paying for a live stream seems unfair. I notice throughout the debate about loss of tv revenue that Sky aren't dropping their prices, you can cancel but lose any deals.


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:50:15
they'd surely bung Ifollow free to ST holders for home games


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, April 17, 2020, 11:54:54
What happens if these games get shunted past 30 June when OOC players and loanees may have left?

We’ll end up playing the last 10 games with youths and whatever under contract pros we have left. How can that be representative of the previous games that got us top of the league?

Those middle for diddle clubs with no interest in play offs or relegation would have let as many players go as possible to save money - quite understandably.

The PL money, which is not new money only next season’s solidarity money brought forward, would be wasted on a host meaningless games.

I would imagine clubs would be able to exteend player contracts month by month


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:00:59
But most clubs don’t want to extend players’s contracts - they want them off the payroll ASAP.

What’s the point in, say, Scunthorpe, retaining players for matches that are meaningless for them.

It’s probably great for us as we play loads of those sort of teams in the 10 games left.

But what if Doyle says, no thanks, and Grant. And all the loan players are recalled.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:06:54
I would imagine clubs would be able to exteend player contracts month by month
FIFA have already said this is what will happen haven't they? I realise FIFA permitting it and clubs doing it is a different matter, but at least it can happen within the framework of registrations etc.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:07:49
But most clubs don’t want to extend players’s contracts - they want them off the payroll ASAP.

What’s the point in, say, Scunthorpe, retaining players for matches that are meaningless for them.

It’s probably great for us as we play loads of those sort of teams in the 10 games left.

But what if Doyle says, no thanks, and Grant. And all the loan players are recalled.
There's going to be all kinds of problems like this. It's not going to be perfect. There is no perfect solution. It's just a case of trying to find the least worst compromise.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:12:44
But most clubs don’t want to extend players’s contracts - they want them off the payroll ASAP.

What’s the point in, say, Scunthorpe, retaining players for matches that are meaningless for them.

It’s probably great for us as we play loads of those sort of teams in the 10 games left.

But what if Doyle says, no thanks, and Grant. And all the loan players are recalled.
I’d imagine we’d be able to easily find enough players in the current squad willing to play so wouldn’t be an issue. Like you say though with the majority of teams we play having nothing to play for there’s a big possibility we are going to mainly be playing youth players which other clubs won’t be happy about but it’s the best of a bad bunch of options.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:19:57
I’d imagine we’d be able to easily find enough players in the current squad willing to play so wouldn’t be an issue. Like you say though with the majority of teams we play having nothing to play for there’s a big possibility we are going to mainly be playing youth players which other clubs won’t be happy about but it’s the best of a bad bunch of options.
I'd be happy with that,  just need an injection of football,  depression setting in,  didn't realise how much Saturday afternoon's with the boys really meant,  get  this done and look forward to League 1 next season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:35:53
FIFA have already said this is what will happen haven't they? I realise FIFA permitting it and clubs doing it is a different matter, but at least it can happen within the framework of registrations etc.

Im not sure mate, must have missed that. In that case, as you were


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, April 17, 2020, 12:36:54
Yes they have.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 17, 2020, 13:04:19
yeah they did, but I can't see it being the club's choice. if the player wants to go then they'll go. the legal ramifications if it's an enforced extension could be huge.

that said, can another club afford to pay them at the moment...

still at least we only have most of our key players out of contract...oh bugger


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, April 17, 2020, 14:05:01
I'd be happy with that,  just need an injection of football,  depression setting in,  didn't realise how much Saturday afternoon's with the boys really meant,  get  this done and look forward to League 1 next season.

We are glad to see the back of ya!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2020, 14:26:39
yeah they did, but I can't see it being the club's choice. if the player wants to go then they'll go. the legal ramifications if it's an enforced extension could be huge.

that said, can another club afford to pay them at the moment...

still at least we only have most of our key players out of contract...oh bugger
Well it works both ways - clubs won't be under any obligation to extend contracts either if they don't want to. All the FIFA ruling does IIRC is *allow* for contract to be rolled over until end of season (whenever that is) in terms of registration, which might otherwise have got messy with international clearances etc. But it still requires the consent of both parties to the contract


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 17, 2020, 14:34:31
Until there is a definitive start date - not the fluffy ‘hopefully’, or ‘aiming for’ dates - it’s a non starter.

If the EFL are determined to get this season finished they have to give a date whereby they concede it cannot be finished. How can Power commit £20k a month for Doyle et al with no definitive start date. What if it’s September - that’s £40k down the pan for just one player.

No ticket money coming in, Imagine Cruising sponsorship must have gone up in smoke too.

Fuck knows where this leaves the CG purchase.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, April 17, 2020, 15:43:56
We are glad to see the back of ya!
Was referring to the boys, not pensioners corner.


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, April 17, 2020, 16:08:20
Until there is a definitive start date - not the fluffy ‘hopefully’, or ‘aiming for’ dates - it’s a non starter.

If the EFL are determined to get this season finished they have to give a date whereby they concede it cannot be finished. How can Power commit £20k a month for Doyle et al with no definitive start date. What if it’s September - that’s £40k down the pan for just one player.

No ticket money coming in, Imagine Cruising sponsorship must have gone up in smoke too.

Fuck knows where this leaves the CG purchase.
The club did manage to get the first phase of season ticket renewals through before football closed down but it wouldn't take long to burn through that money with no other income coming in.

I assume the ground purchase was fairly advanced given the announcements but until contracts are signed it can all go awry.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 17, 2020, 16:18:02
Quote from: pauld
Well it works both ways - clubs won't be under any obligation to extend contracts either if they don't want to. All the FIFA ruling does IIRC is *allow* for contract to be rolled over until end of season (whenever that is) in terms of registration, which might otherwise have got messy with international clearances etc. But it still requires the consent of both parties to the contract

not disputing that.

to expand/clarify my point, the season isn't really the same season if it continues with different squads - FIFA ruling or not. The integrity of the league will already be blown.

it's why I still think the league needs done by June 30th +- a couple of weeks goodwill from players and clubs (well +, cause it ain't going to be -)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2020, 16:24:24
not disputing that.

to expand/clarify my point, the season isn't really the same season if it continues with different squads - FIFA ruling or not. The integrity of the league will already be blown.
Ah, yes I see, yes that's a given I think


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, April 18, 2020, 14:18:37
Afternoon,

Trying to get a decent amount of voters for 10 questions I've posed for an upcoming episode. Would appreciate any Twitter users who haven't contributed to please spend a minute or two answers them.

Cheers.

https://twitter.com/LoathedStranger


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, April 18, 2020, 15:04:59
Afternoon,

Trying to get a decent amount of voters for 10 questions I've posed for an upcoming episode. Would appreciate any Twitter users who haven't contributed to please spend a minute or two answers them.

Cheers.

https://twitter.com/LoathedStranger

Done


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Saturday, April 18, 2020, 20:44:58
Survey done


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Sunday, April 19, 2020, 22:19:01
Just noticed this on Twitter about a discussion by Lge 2 clubs tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/thesunfootball/status/1251979086702030850?s=21



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 20, 2020, 07:43:25
Seems like it’s happening. Either finished as the standings are presently, or ppg. 3 game play offs BCD. If the situation is as dire as some clubs say in L2 there shouldn’t be too much bleating. Stevenage couldn’t complain. In fact, no club should complain if the alternative is hanging on indefinitely and then going bust.

Looks as if each league could decide differently - but as long as the promotion/relegation slots are finalised I suppose that doesn’t really matter.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, April 20, 2020, 08:33:43
Now saying pubs could be closed until Christmas,  surely if that's the case then football would follow as all areas of hospitality are said to be the last that will reopen..................  Shit !!!!!!!!!!!.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, April 20, 2020, 08:43:10
Now saying pubs could be closed until Christmas,  surely if that's the case then football would follow as all areas of hospitality are said to be the last that will reopen..................  Shit !!!!!!!!!!!.

I've only seen the Sun saying the pubs will be closed until Christmas (might be wrong). Think the government said that hospitality would be the last thing to come out lockdown - which to be honest has seemed pretty obvious for a while.

That's a pretty odious Sun front page all round really. PUBS SHUT TILL CHRISTMAS. (596 dead in small cartoon virus, see page 4).


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, April 20, 2020, 09:00:53
Only of secondary interest, I know.  But if Points per Game (PPG) was adopted by League 1, Wycombe (in 8th!) would go up - and not Oxford (in 3rd).  Which would be quite funny, if I'm honest.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Monday, April 20, 2020, 09:08:32
Only of secondary interest, I know.  But if Points per Game (PPG) was adopted by League 1, Wycombe (in 8th!) would go up - and not Oxford (in 3rd).  Which would be quite funny, if I'm honest.

You have L2 fever. Only 2 go up auto in L1. So Oxford would still be in the PO's where they are now


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 20, 2020, 10:04:10
You have L2 fever. Only 2 go up auto in L1. So Oxford would still be in the PO's where they are now

Yeah that's right. Presumably Wycombe would jump above Posh into the play-offs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, April 20, 2020, 10:22:42
You have L2 fever. Only 2 go up auto in L1. So Oxford would still be in the PO's where they are now

Happy to be corrected, but thought I read that there would be no play offs - and three from League 1 going straight up.  Similarly, Cheltenham (in 4th) would go up in League 2.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Monday, April 20, 2020, 10:23:47
I haven't seen that anywhere. I didnt think they had met yet?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 20, 2020, 10:54:10
I haven't seen that anywhere. I didnt think they had met yet?
It was one of the proposals, don't think anything has been agreed yet


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, April 20, 2020, 11:18:00
If you do away with the play-off promotion spot and the related relegation spot almost all controversy goes away and if the play-offs aren’t happening then the promotion spot shouldn’t exist.

Seems common sense to me:
Only Southend and Bolton would be relegated in league 1 who are 15+ points adrift, Tranmere who have a game in hand that if they won would climb out of the relegation zone would stay up.
Similarly in the Championship Luton and Barnsley are 6+ points adrift would go down with Charlton who are only 2 points adrift staying up.

Finish the season with PPG and it’s the best that can be done, some will still moan but it’s not that controversial IMO.

The PL relegation/Championship promotion will be a different matter altogether.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 20, 2020, 11:55:16
If you do away with the play-off promotion spot and the related relegation spot almost all controversy goes away and if the play-offs aren’t happening then the promotion spot shouldn’t exist.

Seems common sense to me:
Only Southend and Bolton would be relegated in league 1 who are 15+ points adrift, Tranmere who have a game in hand that if they won would climb out of the relegation zone would stay up.
Similarly in the Championship Luton and Barnsley are 6+ points adrift would go down with Charlton who are only 2 points adrift staying up.

Finish the season with PPG and it’s the best that can be done, some will still moan but it’s not that controversial IMO.
Job done! theakston for Chairman of the Football League :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 20, 2020, 12:13:54
theakston's plan makes sense, therefore eliminating him  from the job


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 20, 2020, 12:28:31
theakston's plan makes sense, therefore eliminating him  from the job
Ah, good point. Sensible, workable solutions are not suitable for football. You need to come up with something jaw-droppingly stupid that will somehow result in even more wealth being transferred to the top 6-9 clubs in the Premier League, theakston


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, April 20, 2020, 13:28:34
If you do away with the play-off promotion spot and the related relegation spot almost all controversy goes away and if the play-offs aren’t happening then the promotion spot shouldn’t exist.

Seems common sense to me:
Only Southend and Bolton would be relegated in league 1 who are 15+ points adrift, Tranmere who have a game in hand that if they won would climb out of the relegation zone would stay up.
Similarly in the Championship Luton and Barnsley are 6+ points adrift would go down with Charlton who are only 2 points adrift staying up.


And Swindon with a game in hand over Crewe would go up as champions !!.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 20, 2020, 13:44:35
I'm almost at a point of wondering whether any of it is worth it - I can't see them opening up stadiums this year, so everything will be behind closed doors and a bit weird.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, April 20, 2020, 14:41:21
I heard on the radio today Swindon Town are in talks with other league 2 clubs to finish the season early but did not say what the conclusion would be


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: kirky69 on Monday, April 20, 2020, 16:30:36
I heard on the radio today Swindon Town are in talks with other league 2 clubs to finish the season early but did not say what the conclusion would be

As I've said before, I can see this season being declared null and void - God forbid!! I really dont see any other solution being accepted by enough clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 20, 2020, 16:32:10
As I've said before, I can see this season being declared null and void - God forbid!! I really dont see any other solution being accepted by enough clubs.

I fear you may be right.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, April 20, 2020, 16:39:03
As I've said before, I can see this season being declared null and void - God forbid!! I really dont see any other solution being accepted by enough clubs.
PPG or current standings will be accepted by just as many if not more clubs depending on which gets asked first. The clubs in mid-table with nothing to play for won’t give a toss as long as the season is declared finished. The teams in the promotion places will object to null & void and the teams just outside the Auto’s/play-offs will object to both null & void and PPG.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Tails on Monday, April 20, 2020, 16:45:37
There won't be any common sense and it's hard to get a right answer apart from "finish the season"

Even speaking as a neutral, it would be so harsh on the teams up the top to not give them what they deserve.

I would..

Promote Barrow & Harrogate from the National League
Relegate Stevenage in L2. Promote us, Crewe & Plymouth.
Relegate Bolton & Southend from League One, they're too far gone. Promote Coventry & Rotherham from League One. Gives L1 & L2 24 teams each
Relegate Barnsley & Luton from the Championship. Promote Leeds & West Brom.
Don't relegate anyone from the Premier League, have both Premier League & Championship on 22 teams and adjust it with promotions / relegations the season after.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 20, 2020, 16:53:00
PL won't want to go to 22 teams


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Monday, April 20, 2020, 18:03:27
There is not enough  room in the calendar with European dates to fit in a 22 team PL.

The issue for most teams in L1 and L2 is that waiting to finish the season - extending player contracts beyond 30 June with no income and no certainty about when games can restart - is too expensive hence the urgency of finding a solution. PPG is the fairest way of doing this unless they can work out something only a little more complicated - weighting PPG for the mix of home and away games left to play could be done quickly and easily explained.

No doubt some statisticians could use the expected goal data to develop a football equivalent of Duckworth Lewis and use that to calculate a points total for each club  for the remaining games, but that would cause so much argument that it wouldn’t be accepted even if it can be done in the time available.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, April 20, 2020, 18:35:57
No doubt some statisticians could use the expected goal data to develop a football equivalent of Duckworth Lewis and use that to calculate a points total for each club  for the remaining games, but that would cause so much argument that it wouldn’t be accepted even if it can be done in the time available.

I agree.  As soon as you introduce subjective judgement in to the equation (as would be the case there) you open yourself up to challenge.  So it's a bit of a non-starter.  Voiding sets a really difficult precedent, so I'm starting to feel a bit more confident that PPG will be seen as the least worst option.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 20, 2020, 18:44:57
I agree.  As soon as you introduce subjective judgement in to the equation (as would be the case there) you open yourself up to challenge.  So it's a bit of a non-starter.  Voiding sets a really difficult precedent, so I'm starting to feel a bit more confident that PPG will be seen as the least worst option.
But you say that from the perspective of supporting a team which will benefit from any outcome other than voiding the season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 20, 2020, 19:04:58
let's hope tomorrow brings a favourable hint at what's what


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 20, 2020, 19:35:12
Some rumour sites speculating Bundesliga could resume BCD on May 9th


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, April 20, 2020, 19:39:14
I think they should randomise the Premier and Football leagues. We've got just under a 3/4 chance of finishing higher than we are. 1/92 of winning the premier league, and a sexy 2/47 of Champions League football next year.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 20, 2020, 19:39:47
But you say that from the perspective of supporting a team which will benefit from any outcome other than voiding the season.
True. But promoting teams from L2 has absolutely no detrimental bearing financially on the other club’s - apart, maybe, from the 1 out of the present top 5 to miss out.

Fucking every club over to appease those who have done jack shit all season is just wrong.

It’s just schadenfreude.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 20, 2020, 21:38:29
I suppose the trouble is that you need to know what the rules are before the season starts. 

It's a poor example but with a one day cricket match, the teams know how the match will be determined if it cannot be completed.  Here, there are no pre existing rules on what happens if the season cannot be completed. 

We face the prospect of trying to fashion a mechanism for determining the outcome long after the season commenced.  It's clear that this will be a fertile ground for litigation.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, April 20, 2020, 21:53:18
Some rumour sites speculating Bundesliga could resume BCD on May 9th

The ministers for certain regions discussed it today, sounds like a strong possibility that the 1st & 2nd Bundesliga might begin then under strict criteria


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:20:46
But you say that from the perspective of supporting a team which will benefit from any outcome other than voiding the season.

I do, but the argument against voiding is not connected to that.  In short, void a season that's 80% complete would rightly allow supporters in future to question the validity of the League games they were watching.  You really don't want to open that Pandora's Box.  You'd probably be able to make a stronger case for voiding if the outbreak happened in the Autumn with only 25% of the games played - but not this late in the season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:21:52
I do, but the argument against voiding is not connected to that.  In short, void a season that's 80% complete would rightly allow supporters in future to question the validity of the League games they were watching.  You really don't want to open that Pandora's Box.  You'd probably be able to make a stronger case for voiding if the outbreak happened in the Autumn with only 25% of the games played - but not this late in the season.

Thanks, yes - I acknowledge that.  I don't know what the permutations are but presumably a number of clubs could assert that a lot could still happen in the remaining 20 percent of the season - particularly those on the fringes of promotion/relegation. 

Finding a formula that provides certainty and satisfies everyone may be difficult.  Treating the season as void may be regarded as bad for all (and I do not advocate this) but this provides certainty.

Of course, any questions around the validity/integrity of the sport in general should be looked at through the prism of these 'unprecedented times'.  Things as we know it have changed substantially and this could last for some time yet.  Losing a season may be seen as merely a small part of all this.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 09:47:56
What actually offers more in the way of keeping the league’s integrity.

Forcing the remaining games to be played BCD with a whole host of clubs fielding teams that bear no resemblance to the sides they put out in the first 36 games

Or

Bringing the league to a conclusion now and awarding league positions to allow for a fresh start to the new season.

If they keep dithering there will be clubs going to the wall and the leagues will be different for sure.

Other than pure spite I can't see why the going nowhere clubs would care less whether the remainder of the season is concluded using ppg.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 10:00:29
BCD or PPG are the only viable options IMO.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 10:36:45
Quote from: Peter Venkman
BCD or PPG are the only viable options IMO.
ditto.

and BCD has an ever decreasing window


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 11:30:30
Massive cans of worms about to be opened it would seem, with so many repercussions to be felt throughout football whichever path they take.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 11:34:16
Massive cans of worms about to be opened it would seem, with so many repercussions to be felt throughout football whichever path they take.
Yes, there aren't any non-controversial options. Someone will miss out, or feel that they have, whatever the authorities decide on. Got to be decided on the basis of what is the best way of keeping clubs in business, that has to be the first and main consideration, then what is the best option for the majority of clubs.

So PPG, we go up as Champions, Man City relegated to L2 due to FFP violations, we take their Champions League place.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 11:41:08
Massive cans of worms about to be opened it would seem, with so many repercussions to be felt throughout football whichever path they take.

Firstly, all the teams in L2 have to agree I assume on a number of different options, as there clearly in any event winners and losers. Then those options are voted on, in a similar way to proportionate representation until a clear option is left standing as the way to go.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 11:42:24
Unfortunately, I think the BCD debate regarding finishing this season rather misses the point.

If clubs are feeling the pinch now, what will happen if fans arent allowed back in for 6, 9 or 12 months. No income for an extended period of time will sound the death knell for many clubs - even those who presently think their owner will support them. In the short term many owners will - for an extended period it seems unlikely.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 15:06:20
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
Firstly, all the teams in L2 have to agree I assume on a number of different options....
Brings up a constitutional point..

What is the majority needed to reach agreement when the vote comes? Unanimous?
80%?
undefined in rules?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 15:15:35
Brings up a constitutional point..

What is the majority needed to reach agreement when the vote comes? Unanimous?
80%?
undefined in rules?
Can of worms.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 15:37:27
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwPnGZZY/94212803-282418856083749-9118237632654999552-n.jpg)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 15:41:32
McAnthony is a well known self obsessed bullshitter. It’s got fuck all to do with him if clubs decide to call it a day on this season. The EFL may take some sort of action - unlikely - but he’s got no sway whatsoever in any sanction on clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 17:37:04
The key bit in MacAnthony's message, especially the final sentence, is 'IMO'.

Of course, people now take it as 100% and run with it.

Also amazes me that people don't think that L2 clubs haven't been in regular contact throughout all this.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 17:45:59
Of course, people now take it as 100% and run with it.
I don't think anybody will take HIS word for this 100%, he is an idiot and likes the sound of his own voice, I was just sharing what he posted, I personally don't think it has much relevance to anything, but he is not alone in the football world in having this view.

There are also just as many that think hes well wide of the mark too.

We won't find anything out in the short term, I expect this to drag on for weeks yet.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 17:52:15
Walked past the County Ground earlier. There is lots going on with the pitch, the sort of stuff you see in the off-season. Huge pile of raked out dead grass has come out. Massive pile of sand going in. Machinery on the pitch.

No idea what this means though, if anything.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 18:57:12
Getting the pitch ready for a prolonged period without any use I suspect.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 19:40:05
Cassidy said the other day that he was ‘sorting out the CG’ so guess they are doing the off season renovations early, seems a few clubs are doing the same. A positive sign though as if we are spending money on the pitch it would suggest we are ok financially as it wasn’t exactly a ploughed field like some other clubs pitches.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 19:50:19
Cassidy said the other day that he was ‘sorting out the CG’ so guess they are doing the off season renovations early, seems a few clubs are doing the same. A positive sign though as if we are spending money on the pitch it would suggest we are ok financially as it wasn’t exactly a ploughed field like some other clubs pitches.

Especially when you think of the rain we had this last winter. More like a paddy field but looked superb considering.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 21:32:57
The players have been told to expect to return to training in mid May.....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 21:42:07
The players have been told to expect to return to training in mid May.....

For June the 6th restart...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 07:44:47
Have we, are we, furloughing players and staff?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 07:46:47
Have we, are we, furloughing players and staff?

Stadium staff have been done, players are still being paid.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 08:31:50
Thanks. According to the BBC then, we are one of a very small number of clubs in L1 and 2 not doing so.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 08:34:28
If it all goes wrong, it will be Lee Powers fault.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 08:45:12
I know people at the club and yes we are furloughing staff for certain. No idea about players though as thats not common knowledge, unlike the normal employees who freely admit that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tj2002 on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 08:53:59
Danny Rose was on the totally football league podcast with Sam Parkin the other day. Said the players had been furloughed but were being topped up by the club.

He also said the players would probably take a wage deferral if they were guaranteed to get it back.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 09:21:56
Danny Rose was on the totally football league podcast with Sam Parkin the other day. Said the players had been furloughed but were being topped up by the club.

He also said the players would probably take a wage deferral if they were guaranteed to get it back.

This has changed from what the club said the other week then.
Makes sense though, no problem with it at all.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 09:31:55
If wer're topping up the player's wages, would that not suggest we are not desperate for money?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:03:11
If wer're topping up the player's wages, would that not suggest we are not desperate for money?
You’d think so.

I really am wondering what the footballing landscape will look like when the dust has settled.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:09:11
Wellens on Talksport now


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:19:59
Quote from: tans
Wellens on Talksport now
what did he say? nothing interesting I assume


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:23:14
Not much really, aiming for may 16th to start training, players furloughed but being topped up, getting bored at home and didnt realise how soothing a jet washer is. Doesnt know what is going to happen regarding the season, can only take it as it is at the moment


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:44:09
Cheers


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:23:54
Apparently the players are not happy at Oldham, rumoured to be the big team in L2 flirting with admin.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTGPM95m/Untitled.jpg)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:27:48
Apparently the players are not happy at Oldham, rumoured to be the big team in L2 flirting with admin.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTGPM95m/Untitled.jpg)
They won't be the only ones. Non league clubs are already starting to go under


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:33:53
They won't be the only ones. Non league clubs are already starting to go under
Southend have announced similar too.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:43:37
‘A majority grp of Lge 1&2 clubs have written to the EFL saying they want the season finished by July 31 latest. They also want salary caps from next season to ensure 'long-term future of all EFL Clubs'. Also, players out of contract wont be offered extra pay to finish season.’


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:50:02
Moon on a stick?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:59:45
Nationl league have cancelled all remaining games :( .

https://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/national-league-statement-remaining-league-matches-61884


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:00:35
yes, but not decided how to end this season yet


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:01:48
yes, but not decided how to end this season yet
Dunno mate, the headline says they voided the season. Then contradict themselves at the end.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: ahounsell on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:03:20
Starting to think we are going to see a return to Div 3 north and south (Or league one north and south). Some suggestion in the papers today that clubs in L1 and 2 are keen on it.

It also effectively solves the issue of promotion and relegation between league 1 and 2 although you still have the same issue between L1 and championship and between L2 and national league


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:11:13
Starting to think we are going to see a return to Div 3 north and south (Or league one north and south). Some suggestion in the papers today that clubs in L1 and 2 are keen on it.

It also effectively solves the issue of promotion and relegation between league 1 and 2 although you still have the same issue between L1 and championship and between L2 and national league

If Cheltenham end up in the north division then that's fine.
Other than that, not keen on the idea, unless maybe as a temp solution for a couple of seasons until clubs find their feet again.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:24:33
Dunno mate, the headline says they voided the season. Then contradict themselves at the end.

It was a statement not a fact :)

They have said they aren't playing any more games this season, but

Quote
"The options concerning the sporting outcomes of the 2019-20 season remain under careful and timely consideration, and further updates will be given in due course."


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:29:42
I hate the idea, only top going up and then play-offs between N&S for the last spot which would result in only the top 3 places worth playing for. Relegation being equally boring, 1 down from each league. Fuck that.  You'd have to have 6 down from Championship to make it interesting.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:33:05
^^^^ yup

plus the ballache that comes with Oxford Derby Day. Though the risk is that match becomes as mundane as all the others.

not sure I could commit to a regionalised League in ST terms. would just go occasionally*

* obviously i probably would, then blame the kids


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:40:11
I hate the idea, only top going up and then play-offs between N&S for the last spot which would result in only the top 3 places worth playing for. Relegation being equally boring, 1 down from each league. Fuck that.  You'd have to have 6 down from Championship to make it interesting.

Completely.  There are some advantages, but plenty of disadvantages as well.  And that one's a biggie.  They abandoned Div 3 North & Div 3 South in 1958 for a reason.  There are plenty of sides - and we could well be among them - that would end up marooned in these divisions forever.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:51:12
Division 3 south.....

Coventry
Oxford
Portsmouth
Wycombe
Ipswich
Gillingham
Bristol
Franchise
Wimbledon
Southend
Swindon
Plymouth
Exeter
Cheltenham
Colchester
Northampton
Fgr
Newport
Orient
Stevenage
Crawley
Plus 2 of Walsall burton Cambridge or Peterborough


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:52:19
I think that would be me largely done with football, promotion would become next to impossible for us and most seasons you’d effectively have nothing to play for post Christmas so crowds will plummet. Solves absolutely nothing as trips to Ipswich, Colchester, Southend, Crawley and Plymouth aren’t exactly short journeys.

So no major reduction in mileage and likely lower crowds/interest, tell me what are the benefits exactly?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:53:20
Division 3 south.....

Coventry
Oxford
Portsmouth
Wycombe
Ipswich
Gillingham
Bristol
Franchise
Wimbledon
Southend
Swindon
Plymouth
Exeter
Cheltenham
Colchester
Northampton
Fgr
Newport
Orient
Stevenage
Crawley
Plus 2 of Walsall burton Cambridge or Peterborough

Have done zero research, but on sight are most of the southern teams near the top of their division? Meaning the south division would be ‘harder’?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:53:30
Th National League will probably be communicating with the EFL now to see how many/if any of their members are going to be able to move up. Barrow and Harrogate fans must be sweating.

The EFL will probably wait and see how many clubs make it through this before deciding on making any structural changes to the Football pyramid.

If anything, I think the leagues would stay in the same format but with perhaps less clubs if a certain amount fold (instead of replacing them National League sides).


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 13:57:14
Division 3 south.....

Coventry
Oxford
Portsmouth
Wycombe
Ipswich
Gillingham
Bristol
Franchise
Wimbledon
Southend
Swindon
Plymouth
Exeter
Cheltenham
Colchester
Northampton
Fgr
Newport
Orient
Stevenage
Crawley
Plus 2 of Walsall burton Cambridge or Peterborough

Depressing list if you get stuck there forever.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 14:03:55
I think looking at that we’d be pushing the play offs most years


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: dogs on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 14:06:00
The current proposal is just 2 up, 2 down in each league. No relegation from the premier league. We'd obviously gladly take that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 14:10:48
RE: Regionalisation - It's certainly not a hill I'm willing to die on but I have been on the record several times over and maintain that I really don't think there's much of a difference and fans would get used to it (in the same way as we get used to L2). I don't even think ticket sales wouldn't be hit *that* badly if at all.

But these opinions don't mean that I want it to be re-introduced <---- Emphasis on this.

I fully understand the downsides. Extra costs for policing and the National League North/South is a ball ache geographically. FGR or Cheltenham could play in the North for a year if it's drawn the same way as the National League for example and then return to the South at the whim of the EFL to accomodate new teams to the division.

That would be farcical and defeating any point of brining it back.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 14:17:47
Has the idea of regionalisation actually been discussed amongst those who matter? I assume not



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 14:27:28
Has the idea of regionalisation actually been discussed amongst those who matter? I assume not


No. But, discussion wise, it's not exactly out of place within a thread about what happens next.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 14:41:43
Oh yeah totally agree, just wondered if i had missed any rumours or anything


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 15:38:44
I think looking at that we’d be pushing the play offs most years
Fuck that, nothing but a lottery plus bollcks to Wembley too.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 16:01:05
Fuck that, nothing but a lottery plus bollcks to Wembley too.

Ditto.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 17:03:51
Oh yeah totally agree, just wondered if i had missed any rumours or anything

I've heard national journalists on a few podcasts mention it as a possible solution for the future. Not surprising that most were in favour.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 17:47:16
Division 3 south.....

Coventry
Oxford
Portsmouth
Wycombe
Ipswich
Gillingham
Bristol
Franchise
Wimbledon
Southend
Swindon
Plymouth
Exeter
Cheltenham
Colchester
Northampton
Fgr
Newport
Orient
Stevenage
Crawley
Plus 2 of Walsall burton Cambridge or Peterborough

 :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 18:19:27
How about east & west regionalisation?

Use the existing M5 & M6 motorways and the west coast rail route for the main transport arteries for one, and the M1 & east coast rail route for the other.

discouraging group think since 2020


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 18:22:04
Just shut football down until it’s safe to start again with fans. How many clubs will be left by then I have no idea.

We could be in the Championship!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 18:31:17
How about east & west regionalisation?

Use the existing M5 & M6 motorways and the west coast rail route for the main transport arteries for one, and the M1 & east coast rail route for the other.

discouraging group think since 2020

Not sure that would achieve much.  You'd still have Plymouth vs Carlisle and Sunderland vs Gillingham.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: digby on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 18:36:29
🤔A new twist in the 'how do we finish the football season' poser 💡
A Scottish junior league has decided on a method, and the third placed team is deemed to have won the league !
They averaged out the points per home game, and the away games separately, and then allocated this figure to the remaining home and away games to give a season average Total.

Seems the fairest way I can think of IF the decision is to end the season now and not play the remaining games. It would save a lot of the lower league teams from possible bankruptcy, as playing behind closed doors would cost them a fortune !

🤔Thoughts ? 🤔


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 18:38:23
Th National League will probably be communicating with the EFL now to see how many/if any of their members are going to be able to move up. Barrow and Harrogate fans must be sweating.

The EFL will probably wait and see how many clubs make it through this before deciding on making any structural changes to the Football pyramid.

If anything, I think the leagues would stay in the same format but with perhaps less clubs if a certain amount fold (instead of replacing them National League sides).
Harrogate have a plastic pitch so would have to get rid of that to be allowed in the League


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 18:38:41
How would that work for us if you worked it out?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 18:44:32
How would that work for us if you worked it out?
We’d finish just over 2 points clear, 18.5 points to Crewe’s 16.3 I think.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 19:07:00
How about east & west regionalisation?

Use the existing M5 & M6 motorways and the west coast rail route for the main transport arteries for one, and the M1 & east coast rail route for the other.

discouraging group think since 2020

You trollin' ?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 21:34:13
Nation League from Oliver Holt


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 12:35:18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52394133


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 13:42:28
I don't like the idea of region as then you would potentially end up with lower crowds, some clubs would miss out on a visit from the 'bigger' teams and the crowds that would bring in.

The latest by the seems of it is the Mansfield chairman asking the FL to look at a wage cap for L1 & L2, surely it should be up to clubs to manage their own budgets, yes you get the likes of Mansfield and FGR trying to throw money at promotion but the other clubs in trouble is not because they have overspent on wages.

If there was a wage cap in place then it would stop clubs who want and are willing to pay that little bit more for a player that may stop them going down or help to get them promoted.

This type of thing sadly makes the championship and premier just a pipe dream, if clubs got there in future they would have no chance of competing as they was subject to a wage cap previous and that sort of cap would probably be nowhere near what you would need for players at that sort of level, and then again when / if they got relegated what happens.

I don't think anything can be decided though until it is known how this season will play out and when crowds will be allowed to return to football, no fans surely means less sponsorship and less advertising revenue.

THe FL need to decide how they will support football for the forseeable future.





Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 13:47:28
The latest by the seems of it is the Mansfield chairman asking the FL to look at a wage cap for L1 & L2, surely it should be up to clubs to manage their own budgets, yes you get the likes of Mansfield and FGR trying to throw money at promotion but the other clubs in trouble is not because they have overspent on wages.
It's not just the Mansfield chairman, it's 37 of the 47 clubs in Leagues One and 2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52398548

If there was a wage cap in place then it would stop clubs who want and are willing to pay that little bit more for a player that may stop them going down or help to get them promoted.

This type of thing sadly makes the championship and premier just a pipe dream, if clubs got there in future they would have no chance of competing as they was subject to a wage cap previous and that sort of cap would probably be nowhere near what you would need for players at that sort of level, and then again when / if they got relegated what happens.
Sorry but that's baldy flawed reasoning. For one thing, it would depend on where the wage cap was set and even if it was set at a level that meant some of their current squad weren't likely to be able to compete, then clubs would need to build a new squad, retaining some of their current players but losing those they didn't think would compete at the level above. You know, like they do now.

Without a wage cap, many more clubs are going to go to the wall. The only thing wrong with this proposal is that it doesn't include the Championship where the problem of excessive wages is much worse.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 13:50:53
I'm all for a wage cap of sorts. If anything good comes about becasue of this virus - a wage cap might be one of them.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 13:53:16
I'm all for a wage cap of sorts. If anything good comes about becasue of this virus - a wage cap might be one of them.
Ideally it should look something like this

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQHQBWyocrktu6FgzIQdGQQ1PbBWSRE6NLTJ3ZTVMSkQK7e6MLM&usqp=CAU)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:02:19
Ideally it should look something like this

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQHQBWyocrktu6FgzIQdGQQ1PbBWSRE6NLTJ3ZTVMSkQK7e6MLM&usqp=CAU)

No, that's only if the leagues are regionalised and that's the D3 north wage cap.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:03:46
It's not just the Mansfield chairman, it's 37 of the 47 clubs in Leagues One and 2
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52398548
Sorry but that's baldy flawed reasoning. For one thing, it would depend on where the wage cap was set and even if it was set at a level that meant some of their current squad weren't likely to be able to compete, then clubs would need to build a new squad, retaining some of their current players but losing those they didn't think would compete at the level above. You know, like they do now.

Without a wage cap, many more clubs are going to go to the wall. The only thing wrong with this proposal is that it doesn't include the Championship where the problem of excessive wages is much worse.
Wage caps will need to linked to turnover though surely. If you get someone like Forest or Leeds in the league with 30k crowds that have the turnover to pay more then they shouldn’t be restricted by the same cap as say Ecotricity FC.
The alternative is the cap gets set at some arbitrary figure like £10k per week and then it becomes pointless as any team spending that at this level currently is likely spending beyond their means.

Enforcing FFP and removing the equity doping loopholes sounds a better idea.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:20:35
Time for transparent financials to be presented to an independent auditor every season. Wage caps based on a % of turnover and certain ‘financial doping methods’ specifically outlawed.

All backed up with an automatic points deduction with no appeal.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:45:16
Why should footballers' earnings be capped? They're privately owned businesses and should be able to pay their employees whatever they want.

We already have a total wage cap in L2 as a % of turnover. That should be extended to the rest of the EFL, but you can't cap individuals' earnings.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:51:23
Why should footballers' earnings be capped? They're privately owned businesses and should be able to pay their employees whatever they want.

We already have a total wage cap in L2 as a % of turnover. That should be extended to the rest of the EFL, but you can't cap individuals' earnings.
Yeah that would do it. That's still a wage cap, doesn't have to be on an individual basis, And it definitely needs extending to the Championship as that is where the problem is worse- avg spend of £1.07 per £1 of income on wages alone. That's before they spend on anything else. And some clubs well over that


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:10:40
So, after yesterday’s call for a wage cap by Dale Vince and then again today by John Radford, we have 2 clubs who have consistently spunked large wages on their players.

Probably seeing their advantage disappear and want to try and remain competitive by dumbing every club down.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:10:53
It has always puzzled me how the USA, bastions of free market policies, have restricted all of their sports to a "Socialist" model of revenue sharing, drafts, total salary caps etc.  Generally speaking, they strong arm the local councils into paying for new stadiums as well.

I think the system in place for L1 & L2 would work well, if it was properly managed and enforced by the FL.  I think, while there is an argument about each club being a private business, they choose to operate in a membership based organisation.  As such, it is not like competing in an open market, so having rules of fairness are fine.  The members are expected to act in the overall good of the wider community.  Each club can earn turnover in many free market ways, so the restrictions are solely about the competing in the league aspect, players are not the only employees of the business after all.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:50:08
It has always puzzled me how the USA, bastions of free market policies, have restricted all of their sports to a "Socialist" model of revenue sharing, drafts, total salary caps etc.

The idea is to keep things competitive and therefore increase the value.  More chance of your team winning, more you'll watch and spend.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:53:36
The idea is to keep things competitive and therefore increase the value.  More chance of your team winning, more you'll watch and spend.

It sounds... plastic.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:58:37
We need to get back to splashing through everyone’s piss in the bogs, just bovril and a bag of cheese and onion available at half time, players with no names on their shirt back and sponsors Freddy Fuckwit on the front.

Brown envelopes should be rife and at least half the team should be pissed on the pitch.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 16:09:00
Sunday League   :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 16:16:23
We need Indoor League   :D
Love the Leeds cardy  :)

https://youtu.be/SaVV3Rg4XvM


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 16:24:44
The idea is to keep things competitive and therefore increase the value.  More chance of your team winning, more you'll watch and spend.

It works


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 16:51:10
It works
How many teams do they have in comparison? What about teams in the same town or city? You’d have to go down to a point in the pyramid where you’ll effectively tell teams you can’t get promoted anymore and are just playing for ‘fun’ making say National League downwards nothing more than glorified Sunday league. Would absolutely destroy the traditional football model in this country so it’s a no thanks from me.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 17:02:43
Why should footballers' earnings be capped? They're privately owned businesses and should be able to pay their employees whatever they want

I assume from this that you have not objected to, or made any negative comment on, the manner in which STFC is run by the owner (s)  of what is a privately owned business.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 17:04:03
So, after yesterday’s call for a wage cap by Dale Vince and then again today by John Radford, we have 2 clubs who have consistently spunked large wages on their players.

Probably seeing their advantage disappear and want to try and remain competitive by dumbing every club down.
If you read the article on the BBC site, you'll see that Radford sent the letter on behalf of 37 of the 47 L1 and L2 clubs, so it's very far from just these two


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 19:13:29
Quote from: Panda Paws
We already have a total wage cap in L2 as a % of turnover. That should be extended to the rest of the EFL, but you can't cap individuals' earnings.

I guess it depends whether the wage cap would be an absolute value.

problem with % revenue is  it's being abused by inflated 'sponsorship' deals.

I'm not a fan of capping wages, but football needs to change, and it doesn't look like that's ever going to happen organically.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 19:30:37
I guess it depends whether the wage cap would be an absolute value.

problem with % revenue is  it's being abused by inflated 'sponsorship' deals.
As Audrey said on the previous page, it would need to be accompanied by much greater financial transparency and strict clampdown on financial doping, especially some of the loopholes like selling your own stadium back to yourself.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 19:35:20
Really good, transparent and logical statement from the Plymouth owner

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2020/april/chairmans-chat/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 19:56:40
Keen for PPG isnt he


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 20:10:50
Keen for PPG isnt he
But he’s right though, isn’t he. There are fans from a lot of clubs who are convinced their wealthy owner is going to carry on funding their club for as long as it takes. Noticeable that the Argyle owner says he is willing to bridge the gap ‘in the short term’, I.e. until the end of June.

What happens after that? Lots of clubs with owners unable to fund their clubs til then I reckon.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 21:00:35
I assume from this that you have not objected to, or made any negative comment on, the manner in which STFC is run by the owner (s)  of what is a privately owned business.

I can complain about football and a club like I can complain about anything else.

The point is footballers are just employees. It's wrong to cap how much someone can earn.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 21:06:46
Really good, transparent and logical statement from the Plymouth owner

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2020/april/chairmans-chat/
Interesting stuff on league restructuring. He seems to be suggesting that the National League at least (and possibly the leagues below in the pyramid) all be brought into the Football League to remove the stigma around "dropping out of the League", especially in a time when most National League sides are full time anyway. And, post-Covid, it's not unthinkable that some Football League sides might end up having to go semi-pro


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 21:08:37
I can complain about football and a club like I can complain about anything else.

The point is footballers are just employees. It's wrong to cap how much someone can earn.
But a %age of revenue wage cap on the club which you were in favour of (rightly IMO) would also cap how much someone could earn, albeit relative to a club's revenue. It's still a cap.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 21:11:23
It wouldn't cap how much someone can earn (within reason). It's a cap on how a club, as members of a league that they help regulate, can spend their money. If they wanted to pay one player 80% of the cap, that's their shout.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 21:20:57
Listening to the Richie Wellens interview on Talksport then it sounds like much will happen in the next couple of weeks. He played down the financial situation with the advance of the EFL/PL money.

EFL has set a May 18th date for resuming training for a June 6th restart. If that training date gets pushed back then they start running out of weeks to finish the season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 21:23:25
It has always puzzled me how the USA, bastions of free market policies, have restricted all of their sports to a "Socialist" model of revenue sharing, drafts, total salary caps etc.  Generally speaking, they strong arm the local councils into paying for new stadiums as well.

Completely agree.  I've been thinking just the same thing.  And this, from the country that rejects the concept of universal healthcare because it's 'socialist'.  'We'll allow the evening up of club finances and player recruitment because it makes things fairer.  But guarantee a minimum level of health provision to everyone in society?!  Fuck off!!'  It's a bit strange.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 21:28:13
It wouldn't cap how much someone can earn (within reason). It's a cap on how a club, as members of a league that they help regulate, can spend their money. If they wanted to pay one player 80% of the cap, that's their shout.
Yes, so that acts as cap on that player doesn't it. I get it's more  of a sliding scale, but it's still a ceiling on how much someone can earn. Which was your objection. Whereas it seems what you actually object to is a fixed ceiling that applies across the board?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, April 23, 2020, 21:31:31
Interesting stuff on league restructuring. He seems to be suggesting that the National League at least (and possibly the leagues below in the pyramid) all be brought into the Football League to remove the stigma around "dropping out of the League", especially in a time when most National League sides are full time anyway. And, post-Covid, it's not unthinkable that some Football League sides might end up having to go semi-pro

There's been a strong argument for rebranding the National League/Conference as League 3 for some time.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 24, 2020, 08:53:05
There's been a strong argument for rebranding the National League/Conference as League 3 for some time.

I think most of the clubs are full time down there now so not sure what the distinction really is any more ?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 24, 2020, 09:49:55
There's been a strong argument for rebranding the National League/Conference as League 3 for some time.
The Plymouth guy seemed to be going further, the suggestion seemed to be to include National Leagues North and South too. Which makes sense because they are one league, just with two regionalised lower divisions. As horlock says, most of the NL is full time anyway, although I doubt that much of NLN and NLS are.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 24, 2020, 09:55:24
Why the obsession with a South/North anything in this country? How about a West/East set up?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 24, 2020, 09:58:56
Saw this as a good idea if games actually go to iFollow only.

Whatever game is streamed only have access to the home club’s stream. That way, at least the home club would benefit from away fans watching - just as they would if they were actually attending and paying gate money.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, April 24, 2020, 10:16:37
Why the obsession with a South/North anything in this country?

Wild guess, the shape of the country?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 24, 2020, 10:22:34
Saw this as a good idea if games actually go to iFollow only.

Whatever game is streamed only have access to the home club’s stream. That way, at least the home club would benefit from away fans watching - just as they would if they were actually attending and paying gate money.
Yeah that makes sense.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 24, 2020, 11:16:51
Why the obsession with a South/North anything in this country? How about a West/East set up?
Regionalised football is shit full stop but it doesn’t take much looking at a map to see the distances involved in an east/west League would be significantly higher.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, April 24, 2020, 13:22:53
But the transport links are much better north/south.

Hence HS2 plans to reunite the north via east to west, but in the future.

Plymouth to Colchester is a horrible journey.

Perceptions of east/West distances on maps are skewed anyway.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, April 24, 2020, 13:36:03
But he’s right though, isn’t he. There are fans from a lot of clubs who are convinced their wealthy owner is going to carry on funding their club for as long as it takes. Noticeable that the Argyle owner says he is willing to bridge the gap ‘in the short term’, I.e. until the end of June.

What happens after that? Lots of clubs with owners unable to fund their clubs til then I reckon.
Well with all our players and staff on furlough,as I guess most teams will be, only got to find the 20% of their wages, season ticket sales should cover that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 24, 2020, 13:45:21
Regionalised football is shit full stop but it doesn’t take much looking at a map to see the distances involved in an east/west League would be significantly higher.

 :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 24, 2020, 13:46:50
Well with all our players and staff on furlough,as I guess most teams will be, only got to find the 20% of their wages, season ticket sales should cover that.
It will be more than that, it's 80% up to a max of £2500 per month. So if you have a player on £2k a week, the club's going to be paying around 6.5k per month to cover the shortfall


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 24, 2020, 13:49:55
Wild guess, the shape of the country?

Nonsense. Sennen in Cornwall to Cromer is 404 miles. Brighton to Berwick is 392 miles  ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, April 24, 2020, 14:29:15
For anyone on here who believes the earth is not flat, putting part of a "globe" onto a flat surface causes distortion. Check out the USA v Africa comparison & the hoo-haa that causes.

For example:
The Greenwich Meridian goes through Cleethorpes, and Edinburgh is west of Liverpool.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, April 24, 2020, 14:36:14
For anyone on here who believes the earth is not flat, putting part of a "globe" onto a flat surface causes distortion. Check out the USA v Africa comparison & the hoo-haa that causes.

For example:
The Greenwich Meridian goes through Cleethorpes, and Edinburgh is west of Liverpool.

Are you talking about the shortest distance between two points on the surface of a (almost) sphere? Maybe we could get round (under) that by building a network of direct tunnels between the relevent clubs would be a good nationwide project to kick start the economy post-virus? How big is the UK vs. the curvature of the earth anyway? If you dug a tunnel direct from say Swindon to Carlisle, how deep would it be at the midpoint? All important questions.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 24, 2020, 14:38:01
Wormholes are the answer


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 24, 2020, 14:38:41
When you fly, you travel in time ever so slightly.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, April 24, 2020, 14:48:27
https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/exclusive-date-when-sunderland-fans-will-be-able-return-stadium-light-2548904


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 24, 2020, 14:49:51
Are you talking about the shortest distance between two points on the surface of a (almost) sphere? Maybe we could get round (under) that by building a network of direct tunnels between the relevent clubs would be a good nationwide project to kick start the economy post-virus? How big is the UK vs. the curvature of the earth anyway? If you dug a tunnel direct from say Swindon to Carlisle, how deep would it be at the midpoint? All important questions.

The UK is quite big, see at the start of this....

https://youtu.be/tQWPR9TM0Gk


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, April 24, 2020, 14:55:39
Nonsense. Sennen in Cornwall to Cromer is 404 miles. Brighton to Berwick is 392 miles  ;)

I did say it was a wild guess  :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, April 24, 2020, 15:14:03
https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/exclusive-date-when-sunderland-fans-will-be-able-return-stadium-light-2548904

One hell of a scoop for a local rag if it's true.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 24, 2020, 15:16:47
But the transport links are much better north/south.

Hence HS2 plans to reunite the north via east to west, but in the future.

Plymouth to Colchester is a horrible journey.

Perceptions of east/West distances on maps are skewed anyway.
Having worked on HS2 and knowing the route that’s not really true. If you were in the ‘west’ league HS2 would be of almost no benefit to you and even then it only really benefits if you are going to big cities for games.  It’s London to Birmingham then Birmingham to Leeds, Manchester and Sheffield. The north western links into places like Liverpool will be done by NPR. You are looking at 2040 before anything goes beyond Birmingham in terms of operations so it’s irrelevant anyway. Now that GWEP is complete and Crossrail soon to open the south at least will have a fairly decent network connecting most areas so again North/South is the only ‘sensible’ option if they want to go down the regional route.
Also East/West would still have all the longest journeys like Plymouth/Exeter to Carlisle etc so doing nothing at all would make more sense than this.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 24, 2020, 15:19:11
One hell of a scoop for a local rag if it's true.

If that is true why not just delay the season until October 1st and finish say in June. I see no point in starting the season behind closed doors for the sake of a month and a half.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, April 24, 2020, 15:21:38
https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/exclusive-date-when-sunderland-fans-will-be-able-return-stadium-light-2548904

If that happens, because it's safe to do so, that will be great news for the country as a whole.  Personally I'll be amazed if mass gatherings at sporting events happen before a vaccine or effective treatment is established.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, April 24, 2020, 15:39:45
If that is true why not just delay the season until October 1st and finish say in June. I see no point in starting the season behind closed doors for the sake of a month and a half.

Agreed. We'll see.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 24, 2020, 15:44:27
If that is true why not just delay the season until October 1st and finish say in June. I see no point in starting the season behind closed doors for the sake of a month and a half.
Absolutely. Although the story itself seems a bit optimistic to say the least, given Chris Whitty was saying only yesterday that some form of social distancing would need to stay in place for the rest of this year, can't see several thousand people turning up at a stadium fitting in with that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 24, 2020, 15:45:38
One hell of a scoop for a local rag if it's true.

It’s beginning to boil my piss. Why do both the PL and the EFL keep coming up with arbitrary dates when footballing ‘things’ may happen. They’ve got fuck all to base this on and just seems like a wish list of dates plucked out of thin air.

All that’s happening is clubs are kept dangling because there’s too much baggage attached to actually growing some balls and finishing this season now and saying the next will start only when the government says it can do with fans present.

All this shit about BCD is pure bollocks. No club in the nether regions of league football can operate with no Matchday income. End of.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 24, 2020, 16:01:48
agree delay start if it fans were allowed in come October.

that article though reads to me like it means that's the earliest date currently under consideration.. well I suppose it has to be given the current situation


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, April 24, 2020, 17:41:59
Yikes! The Dutch have just binned-off their top division’s season.  Hope it's not catching:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52418048


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 24, 2020, 17:45:26
:(

totally voided. shit


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 24, 2020, 18:07:01
Yikes! The Dutch have just binned-off their top division’s season.  Hope it's not catching:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52418048
Very different set up to here though with a lot less depth and money involved, 4 or 5 B teams in their second division and about half of the teams in the top 2 leagues having smaller attendances than us so much easier to void financially .


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, April 24, 2020, 18:33:42
Dismissed the Macclesfield fixture Outlook reminder this afternoon.  :cry:

Glass half full, so still hopeful that the L2 trophy can somehow make its way into the town centre on the top deck of an empty no 17 bus.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, April 24, 2020, 20:44:50
If season doesnt finish looks like Stevenage get a reprieve


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 24, 2020, 20:47:35
That's a wishful Notts County fan with the first reply


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 24, 2020, 20:50:33
That's a wishful Notts County fan with the first reply

I'm struggling to decipher what he said.

Is he trying to say they should be promoted according to standings from last season?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 07:33:57
Yup. Sound logic on his part... *coughs*


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 07:49:56
Indeed, it is difficult to make a logical argument against re instating to elf


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 10:20:39
Tell you this much, if, if we get to play the season to it’s end the pitches are going to favour us for a start. I also wonder though I’m doubtful, would a certain Dion Conroy be fit enough to take some part in proceedings?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 10:38:49
Tell you this much, if, if we get to play the season to it’s end the pitches are going to favour us for a start. I also wonder though I’m doubtful, would a certain Dion Conroy be fit enough to take some part in proceedings?

In the loathed strangers interview Wellens said that we would have a clean bill of health for all our players but they would be very careful with Conroy bearing in mind he is coming back from horrible injuries. I guess he would be re-introduced into the side very gently.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 13:28:08
In the loathed strangers interview Wellens said that we would have a clean bill of health for all our players but they would be very careful with Conroy bearing in mind he is coming back from horrible injuries. I guess he would be re-introduced into the side very gently.

Sub. If needed.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 13:29:09
In the loathed strangers interview Wellens said that we would have a clean bill of health for all our players but they would be very careful with Conroy bearing in mind he is coming back from horrible injuries. I guess he would be re-introduced into the side very gently.
Conroy said the same when he was podded a few weeks back, he was doubtful he would be reintroduced this season, even if the end of the season was in July, be more likely to wait until next season to be on safe side


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 18:01:03
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978188/football-manager-2020-predicts-final-sky-bet-league-two-table


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 18:12:01
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978188/football-manager-2020-predicts-final-sky-bet-league-two-table
I'll take that. Come on EFL, you know it makes sense.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 18:14:05
I'll take that. Come on EFL, you know it makes sense.
I agree, do it EFL, make it happen! :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 18:14:15
Agreed


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 18:16:16
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978188/football-manager-2020-predicts-final-sky-bet-league-two-table

Championeeesss


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 18:28:36
calls for a beer


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 18:31:58
Championeeesss

Are we all out on the p*** this evening celebrating!!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 18:41:12
Are we all in on the p*** this evening celebrating!!
Yep.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 19:21:40
well this is shite, 8-team tournament, how's that more fair:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978805/coronavirus-leagues-one-and-two-considering-contingency-plans-if-season-cannot-be-finished


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 19:28:09
That's a fucking atrocious idea.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 19:28:26
Look further down the list at the 5 best goals, and a couple of more beers in order


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 19:35:20
well this is shite, 8-team tournament, how's that more fair:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978805/coronavirus-leagues-one-and-two-considering-contingency-plans-if-season-cannot-be-finished

I agree absolutely shite for the top three teams neither would it make sense as you would still have to play a similar amount of games that currently remain


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 19:41:14
Are we all out on the p*** this evening celebrating!!

Eerrrrr, no. We’re in on the piss celebrating. 🍺🏆🏅


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 20:08:45
Eerrrrr, no. We’re in on the piss celebrating. 🍺🏆🏅

I don't mind staying in if we're all getting pissed🍺🍺🍺⚽️⚽️🍺🍺


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 20:15:55
I don't mind staying in if we're all getting pissed🍺🍺🍺⚽️⚽️🍺🍺

Cheers 🍺🍷🥃🍺🍷🥃🍺🍷🥃


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 20:20:42
Cheers 🍺🍷🥃🍺🍷🥃🍺🍷🥃

let's have a session 🍺🍺🍺🍾🍾🍻🍻🍻🥃🥃🥃🥂🥂🥂🍹🍹🍹🍸🍸🥃🥃🥃🥃🍺🍺🍺🍷🍷🍷🍾🍾🍾🥃🍹🍺🍺


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 21:00:58
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978805/coronavirus-leagues-one-and-two-considering-contingency-plans-if-season-cannot-be-finished

Fuck that, we’d lose to Cheltenham in the first round


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 21:31:42
The thing I would (obviously) favour is:

League 1:
Top 1 goes up (There is clear blue water until 2nd) and next 7 play off for the last place. A bye is given to Rotherham for finishing in 2nd (and 2 points above the next 3).

League 2:
Top 3 go up (Clear blue water again) and the next 6 play off for the final place. Chelters and Exeter get byes in first round as there was clear blue water between them and the next lot. Alternatively, just play off between Chelters and Exeter for the last place due to the large gap to next place.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 21:32:16

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978805/coronavirus-leagues-one-and-two-considering-contingency-plans-if-season-cannot-be-finished

Fuck that, we’d lose to Cheltenham in the first round

Fucking hell, who came up witht that idea?

My guess is that tree hugger Dale Vince or that twat Gary Neville


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 21:33:10
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978805/coronavirus-leagues-one-and-two-considering-contingency-plans-if-season-cannot-be-finished

Fuck that, we’d lose to Cheltenham in the first round
They can get in the bin with that. That's the worst idea yet. Either play out the remaining games behind closed doors or award average PPG and finish it that way. And give us Man City's place in the Champions' League.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 21:49:39
It's an idea. Don't see what the problem is with that. What would all the groaners want, a void? Start thinking non normal.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 22:09:50
It's a ridiculous idea and is high risk for teams like us, Crewe, Plymouth or Coventry in League One. You dominate for 36/37 out of 46 games to avoid the play offs and then go into these?

We have also played most of the top 8 over twice and picked up crucial results. Doesn't seem right to then replay those games as play offs or round robin.

Resuming the season would give 'sporting integrity' but would the reality be most of the behind closed door games become dead rubbers. Unless teams have something to play for a BCD game just becomes little more than a friendly.

Clubs and players with nothing to play for will want it over as quickly as possible. Our best chance is to quickly as possible pick up the 15-20 points before the risk of the whole thing shutting down again.

PPG, finish the season and restart 2020/21 when games can be played in front of crowds has to be the way forward.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 25, 2020, 22:23:26
And give us Man City's place in the Champions' League.

This is the most sensible comment I've seen so far in this whole kerfuffle.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, April 26, 2020, 09:24:07
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11978805/coronavirus-leagues-one-and-two-considering-contingency-plans-if-season-cannot-be-finished

Fuck that, we’d lose to Cheltenham in the first round
Worst episode ever.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, April 26, 2020, 12:31:17
If you were being cynical, a couple of end of season ideas have been put out there this week. Maybe EFL are testing the water on fan reaction by ideas being leaked in the press?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 26, 2020, 12:34:03
 ‘‘Tis all bollocks.

Either play out all the fixtures or end it now. I listened to a podcast by that Paddy owner of Posh - he reckons it makes more financial sense to play out the season via iFollow than to just stop now.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, April 26, 2020, 13:36:29
if the season is voided hopefully supporters initiate a class action lawsuit against the EFL to get a refund on a season that ‘never happened’. I would be done with football at that point anyway so wouldn’t care about the consequences, but hopefully the threat alone of this will be enough to stop any thoughts of voiding.

Also any scenario that sees Southend and Bolton in league 1 next season will be beyond farcical and probably leave equally uninterested.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 26, 2020, 14:08:13
Voiding the Premier League season is not an option that we should even be entertaining. The same applies to all our leagues. Curtail them, perhaps, if the agonies of the coronavirus crisis mean either that the public really don’t care or it is no longer feasible to complete the matches. But do not void them, because that would be to bow to the politics of envy. It would be a victory for greed and fear. It would be a victory for vandalism.

Voiding plays to the lowest common denominator. It allows failure to wriggle off the hook. It allows failure to thwart success. It gets everything the wrong way round. Voiding is not about achieving something yourself; it is about stopping others achieving something. It is about a victory for vested interests. It is about denying players something they have worked for because you cannot bear to see them get their reward.

Voiding is about wiping something out, not creating it. It is about destroying something, not building it. It is about trying to bully your way into having another go because you have messed it up this time. It is about trying to avoid your fate if you are facing relegation or failure to qualify for the Champions League. It is about trying to dodge what you deserve.

A sane summing up by Oliver Holt


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, April 26, 2020, 16:20:15
I didn't think that there was really anything more to say about the current season and the ultimate outcome.  It's apparent that I was wrong on that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 26, 2020, 16:24:22
Voiding the Premier League season is not an option that we should even be entertaining. The same applies to all our leagues. Curtail them, perhaps, if the agonies of the coronavirus crisis mean either that the public really don’t care or it is no longer feasible to complete the matches. But do not void them, because that would be to bow to the politics of envy. It would be a victory for greed and fear. It would be a victory for vandalism.

Voiding plays to the lowest common denominator. It allows failure to wriggle off the hook. It allows failure to thwart success. It gets everything the wrong way round. Voiding is not about achieving something yourself; it is about stopping others achieving something. It is about a victory for vested interests. It is about denying players something they have worked for because you cannot bear to see them get their reward.

Voiding is about wiping something out, not creating it. It is about destroying something, not building it. It is about trying to bully your way into having another go because you have messed it up this time. It is about trying to avoid your fate if you are facing relegation or failure to qualify for the Champions League. It is about trying to dodge what you deserve.

A sane summing up by Oliver Holt


If a decision isn't made soon to finish the season then Oliver would have been wrong


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 27, 2020, 10:42:11
No idea why there is this haste to finish this season, its likely the case that next season will be equally buggered by restrictions to prevent further outbreaks so why not just wait as its unlikely a 'new' season will be necessary until Aug-Sept 2021.


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, April 27, 2020, 18:36:40
No idea why there is this haste to finish this season, its likely the case that next season will be equally buggered by restrictions to prevent further outbreaks so why not just wait as its unlikely a 'new' season will be necessary until Aug-Sept 2021.
Haven't UEFA put a beginning of August date to finish 19/20 season including the Champions League final? Assume that trickles down to the EFL if promotion and relegation is to happen.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 27, 2020, 18:59:22
Haven't UEFA put a beginning of August date to finish 19/20 season including the Champions League final? Assume that trickles down to the EFL if promotion and relegation is to happen.
Think it's end of July for domestic leagues so they can do remaining rounds of Champions League and Europa League in August


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 27, 2020, 19:02:18
Quote from: horlock07
No idea why there is this haste to finish this season, its likely the case that next season will be equally buggered by restrictions to prevent further outbreaks so why not just wait as its unlikely a 'new' season will be necessary until Aug-Sept 2021.

I think there will be a 20/21 season of sorts. without fans for a lot of it maybe. no idea how it's going to be financed though at our level (though I've paid 1/5 of next year's at money already)

if you wait to finish the season, most lower League squads will be vastly different from June 30th. it would be a farce.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 11:02:29
UEFA have given governing bodies a deadline of May 25 to inform them of their plan for resuming games.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 14:47:35
French football cancelled now too, meeting next month to decide on promotion/relegation/European places


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 12:39:52
regional hubs.. can't see this being popular

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/exclusive-efl-football-league-coronavirus-covid-19-a4427041.html


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 13:19:53
regional hubs.. can't see this being popular

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/exclusive-efl-football-league-coronavirus-covid-19-a4427041.html
Doesn't make any difference to fans if it's behind closed doors though does it? Other than deterring people from wanting to go and stand outside anyway a la PSG fans. Makes it easier to staff too and with less staff. Seems a good idea, unless I'm missing something?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 13:30:09
There is no perfect option, whatever is decided is going to split opinions across the whole football community.

I think a lot people are still clinging to the hope that the season can be resolved in the normal fashion in a few months. Therefore anything different to that will be shit, regardless of what the resolution is.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 13:35:50
There is no perfect option, whatever is decided is going to split opinions across the whole football community.

I think a lot people are still clinging to the hope that the season can be resolved in the normal fashion in a few months. Therefore anything different to that will be shit, regardless of what the resolution is.
This


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 13:40:40
The solution will have to be one that affects the least number of clubs adversely. Ppg is a piece of piss in our league but in L1 with only 3 points separating 2nd from 8th clubs are going to miss out on a tiny fraction of a point - hopefully the piss stains.

As long as the leagues are finalised, position wise, maybe different solutions can be applied to different leagues.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 13:48:16
That would open up a whole can of worms. Team X who lose out on promotion because league 1 ends things with one particular solution could then say well League 2 has done it this different way, if league 1 had done it the same way we would have got promotion.

IMO all levels within in a country have to have same solution, infact I’d say all league in Europe should all do the same thing for consistencies sake but that UEFA’s call I guess.

Some teams will get shit on, some teams will benefit unfairly whatever the solution is


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 14:05:18
Bit late for that, unless just voiding the season is the only answer, given Holland have done just that and France are certainly not completing their leagues.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 15:53:05
The big hitters are going to try to soldier on but still I wonder whether the lowers (anywhere) will?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52443197


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 16:19:00
The clubs, players and Sky don’t give a rat’s arse about anything other than to keep the wonga rolling in.

Hope it gets shut down and fucks a few of them over.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 17:28:12
The clubs, players and Sky don’t give a rat’s arse about anything other than to keep the wonga rolling in.

Hope it gets shut down and fucks a few of them over.

Still irks me the football gossip on the BBC site saying so and so is to agree a contract etc. Unless clubs are really stupid (and some are) no one is going to offer 500 grand a week for someone. They (the BBC)are as responsible as anyone for trying to keep the facade going.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 17:39:44
Something to maybe bring a smile to some of you. Apologies, Twitter bashed the shit out of the quality but the video footage is off my old Xperia Mini.

Good times will come back and we'll get these moments again.

If anyone spots themselves on it (highly unlikely due to quality being down to about 420p) please let me know and I'll make sure you're acknowledged :)

So...erm, enjoy I guess.

https://twitter.com/BambooCreatives/status/1255532656126832641?s=19


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 17:49:12
Was on the bank that day.
Fucking freezing.
Didn't go on the pitch tho


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 18:00:11
Only time I’ve gone on the pitch was the playoff win at Tranmere. Had words with Moxey!


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 19:31:37
regional hubs.. can't see this being popular

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/exclusive-efl-football-league-coronavirus-covid-19-a4427041.html
Don't agree with the idea but you could see the CG being a South West hub for League Two given our good access to transport and standard of our pitch.

Plymouth too far away and FGR or Cheltenham poor access and Newport pitch is terrible


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 23:50:35
Was on the bank that day.
Fucking freezing.
Didn't go on the pitch tho

Don't remember it being cold...might've been the beer jacket though. Cracking day though. What you don't see on that though is, some bloke says "What a spanking" and indeed. 5-0 is 5-0 in anyone's book.

We'll have our day again.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 09:29:01
The clubs, players and Sky don’t give a rat’s arse about anything other than to keep the wonga rolling in.

Hope it gets shut down and fucks a few of them over.

I imagine the PL are shitting it as they are going to have to pay a hell of a lot of TV money back/not receive it if they don't deliver what they are contracted to provide.

I imagine the ramifications are going to seriously affect some of the smaller PL clubs if that is the case, possibly worse than lower league ones.

Don't agree with the idea but you could see the CG being a South West hub for League Two given our good access to transport and standard of our pitch.

Plymouth too far away and FGR or Cheltenham poor access and Newport pitch is terrible

I assume the hubs will be for the leagues different to the host clubs (if that makes sense) otherwise the team will be at an advantage, so possibly L1 hub be CG and Lg 2 say Ashton Gate or something like that?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 09:54:26
No games, no fans, no TV subscriptions, no Sky money, no blood sucking PL clubs, no monopoly on success = football may be back on track for ALL clubs, not just the chosen few.

It’s going be interesting to see which clubs get shook out of the footballing tree - could list a fair few candidates.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 10:14:56
No games, no fans, no TV subscriptions, no Sky money, no blood sucking PL clubs, no monopoly on success = football may be back on track for ALL clubs, not just the chosen few.
Sympathise with the sentiment and I'd also enjoy the end outcome you paint, but the problem is there could be a hell of a lot of clubs go to the wall in the meantime, good clubs that mean a lot to their communities, not just the ones causing the issues. And ours could be one, I think we're in a better place than most L2 clubs but I don't think any football club is insulated from a prolonged shutdown.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 10:26:09
Steve Evans Manager of mid table Gills:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52390528

Finish it or void it.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 10:33:23
Steve Evans Manager of mid table Gills:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52390528

Finish it or void it.


Everyone else:
Fuck off Fatty


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: phelpsieboy on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 10:34:15
Steve Evans Manager of mid table Gills:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52390528

Finish it or void it.


He's definitely just trying to fight for his mate MacAnthony's cause there - whose anti-PPG/As Is.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 11:13:39
Anyone who comes out in favour of either ppg or complete void does so from a selfish standpoint. Us included.

Peterborough would fall out of the POs under ppg


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 11:15:12
French prem have announced PSG as champions. Hopefully a few other leagues follow.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 11:29:40
French prem have announced PSG as champions. Hopefully a few other leagues follow.
But PSG don't play in the other leagues.... ;)

I would be happy with PPG now and get it finished.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 11:40:54
Listening to the 5Live Daily Football chat on how the PL might conclude the season last night (it was from a few days ago, listening on pod) and they went into loads of detail about what you'd need to do to even complete the season behind closed doors in terms of player safety etc. They were talking about whole teams being quarantined for 14 days in a sealed off hotel before any matches could be played, then having to stay in isolation as a team until all games had been played. Then each team and all their staff would need to be tested regularly, certainly before each game and if anyone tests positive the whole team is quarantined and cannot play for that period until they all have clean tests etc. It's a logistical nightmare. Most likely scenario it seems to me is that the PL try to complete the season behind closed doors and the whole thing falls apart in the first week after the first few positive tests. If nothing else because players will refuse to put their own health at risk.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 12:54:03
8th June being touted for PL return?

Believe it when I see it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 13:01:11
Everyone else:
Fuck off Fatty

https://youtu.be/Ni2FohbJnJc


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 13:06:01
My personal view is that for the financial futures of clubs the season really needs to be finished asap, effective leaving 2 options.

1. Finish the season using PPG (have to work out promotion and relegation)
2. Abandon the season.

The longer this goes on I can see 2 being implemented.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 13:09:25
My personal view is that for the financial futures of clubs the season really needs to be finished asap, effective leaving 2 options.

1. Finish the season using PPG (have to work out promotion and relegation)
2. Abandon the season.

The longer this goes on I can see 2 being implemented.
I would hate to think option 2 was even being considered at all but the longer it goes on the more I can see the season being abandoned.

The outcome though will depend a lot on what the other leagues are doing, around europe and in the National League, whether thats PPG or as it stands we will have to wait and see.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 13:11:55
I don't see why anybody would think #2 would be more likely. PPG would surely be the least worst option of the two? By some margin.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 14:15:43
Binning it off just rewards failing clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 14:29:31
Looks like the end game is in sight. God knows how many clubs can survive until 2021 with no income.

‘Now, after an EFL board meeting yesterday, club captains and PFA reps have been told to relay to their team-mates the very real possibility of no more football being played.

Sportsmail understands that players have been told in the last 24 hours that, despite plans to resume training in May, there is very little expectation at EFL level of any football being played in June.

In terms of supporters, they are not expected back in EFL stadiums until next January at the earliest.

One of the main problems facing the EFL is the high number of coronavirus tests for players that would be required in order to see the current season through to its conclusion safely. ’


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 14:39:22
Here’s a leaked conversation between the Bristol Rovers club captain informing their playing staff the outcome of the meeting with the EFL.

The meeting was attended by all EFL club captains to pass on to their respective clubs About 6th post down

https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/16220/serious-leaked-players-tape?page=1&scrollTo=616441


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 15:13:27
Steve Evans Manager of mid table Gills:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52390528

Finish it or void it.



Shock horror, fat bastard whose team has nothing to play for wants season expunged


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 15:14:42
So 3 up from each league and no relegations, not sure how that is going to work?

Be interesting to see how the duty of care angle would be enforced by the government/HSE, considering they are bound by same WRT to NHS staff.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 15:15:57
Binning it off just rewards failing clubs.

Aye, Bolton get a reprieve which basically means they havent been punished. If it gets expunged should be implemented next season


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 15:22:26
There again, if Bolton and Southend are still in L1 I’d imagine they’d still take 2 of the relegation spots.

More whether there are enough clubs left to fill 3 EFL leagues.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 16:48:04
PSG crowned Ligue One Champions as their season is ended

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11820/11981197/paris-saint-germain-crowned-ligue-1-champions-after-french-season-called-off


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 17:06:12
So 3 up from each league and no relegations, not sure how that is going to work?

Be interesting to see how the duty of care angle would be enforced by the government/HSE, considering they are bound by same WRT to NHS staff.

That means the scummers go up to the Championship


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 17:09:33
That means the scummers go up to the Championship

Not if it's PPG they won't


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 17:23:34
PSG won it using PPG

‘Championees, Championees’



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 18:00:19
Not if it's PPG they won't

They will if this system is used!

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ipswich-town-promoted-coventry-city-4089904


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 18:14:03
That means the scummers go up to the Championship

The games in hand will provide major headaches for the EFL.

As mentioned a billion times, anything beyond playing out the season will upset a percentage.

...and I even think playing it out won't be the level playing field everybody thinks.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 18:56:57
Maybe the answer is to have one round of games to catch up on the games in hand then end the season on points per game.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 19:05:00
Or PPG is calculated and added to games in hand.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, April 30, 2020, 22:54:34
One bonus whenever it starts is you wont see the dirty fuckers spitting everywhere.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, May 1, 2020, 04:08:27

...and I even think playing it out won't be the level playing field everybody thinks.
You mean that non-League yo-yo clubs like Yoxford United and Yo-yovil Town will play at their old grounds?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:41:32
They will if this system is used!

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ipswich-town-promoted-coventry-city-4089904
TBF thats a fucking shit way of deciding IMO.

PPG IS the only fair way and promote teams based upon league position alone with no play offs, so top 4 after PPG calculations go up from this league and top 3 in L1 etc.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, May 1, 2020, 11:40:30
The best outcome out of all of this would be a massive society restructuring, turn away from the economic liberal route of money over people in all aspects of life. Part of that would be football clubs becoming.... well clubs. Run by members for the comunity. That would be nice.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 1, 2020, 11:41:32
Commie bastard!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 1, 2020, 13:09:54
Bradford City have stopped selling STs for next season - offering free iFollow or a total refund for those who have already purchased one. Club statement said that next season will be starting with no fans present.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 1, 2020, 13:32:42
https://www.bradfordcityfc.co.uk/news/2020/may/club-statement-city-for-all-202021-season-tickets/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, May 1, 2020, 13:40:49
Just a thought...  If the PL is to be made up of 23 teams next season our record 100 goals conceded could be in danger of being toppled.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, May 1, 2020, 14:16:27
Commie bastard!

Communism was the best system invented. Unfortunately its always been headed by corrupt psychopathic capitalists in every single example.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 1, 2020, 14:30:57
If the club said you could watch all our homes games for say £50-100 till the end of season on TV I’d say yes please. Worry about next season after we have completed this one.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Tails on Friday, May 1, 2020, 15:07:40
If the club said you could watch all our homes games for say £50-100 till the end of season on TV I’d say yes please. Worry about next season after we have completed this one.

If it meant we could complete the season I'd pay it and watch online.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 1, 2020, 15:10:50
I’ve already paid upfront to watch all games on iFollow. Thieving bastards!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 1, 2020, 15:29:37
EFL confirmed that Academy season is over.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2020/may/efl-statement-academy-games-programme/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 1, 2020, 15:31:36
EFL confirmed that Academy season is over.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2020/may/efl-statement-academy-games-programme/
Shortly expected to confirm end of WWII


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 1, 2020, 15:32:54
Shortly expected to confirm end of WWII

Didn't it finally end for many on the 31st January?  :D ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 1, 2020, 15:33:50
If it meant we could complete the season I'd pay it and watch online.

Well if the games are BCD, then you’ll have no choice. Other than not paying or going around someone else’s house that is, with lockdown and social distancing of some sort after it won’t be that easy.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 1, 2020, 15:50:30
Had a few owners issue statements. Be nice to hear from Power and his stance.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, May 1, 2020, 23:41:21
iFollow have a fucking good opportunity here to corner the streaming market for all. They'll have to seriously up their game and have a decent set of customer query channels that are highly responsive. Like you know...an actual Live Chat facility and a team that can resolve issues during a match.

Customer experience in this field is paramount if they want to keep that contract I'd say. So far those using it has probably been low (I mean the genuine users), so even if getting complaints, they've been able to fob off or even be totally unresponsive to customer complaints to date.

If I can watch a pretty much uninterrupted live stream on B365 (insert major bookie) with some (dubious) commentary for as little as a £1. Then iFollow have no excuse for delays in live streaming or loss of audio. An occasional hiccup is annoying but not virtually every match. Get it right and they'll be around longer. Fuck it up with a higher volume of sign ups incoming and people will rightly tell them to fuck it. Semi fastish buck possibly but zero longevity with that approach.

In any case I can imagine one of the major bookies or someone else winning that contract, as live streaming for the EFL goes mainstream. Once they've opened the door on it, I can't see them not providing it as an option continually. It won't be the death of live footy because there will always be a chunk of people who want to go in the flesh. However, with apps like MelodyVR around that bring music gigs to people who can't make it/missed out/are ill etc, it is a helpful resource. I can only see money getting ploughed into that area regarding sports; in due course. Bringing the matchday experience to the home. It'll never be quite the same but it will provide us with a further option(s) as to how we approach, attend and view our live sport in the very near future.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 09:23:22
I haven't seen this posted previously but here's the audio of Alex Rodman of Bristol Rovers relaying the information from a recent conference call regarding what could happen next...

How they'll decide on the third promoted club in L1 on 'sporting merit' I will never know.

https://youtu.be/S81IiX1KqYg


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 10:50:51
cane across quite well in that.


given what he said, it's asking a hell of a lot of the out of contract players to say 'yes' to play on


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 11:08:14
cane across quite well in that.


given what he said, it's asking a hell of a lot of the out of contract players to say 'yes' to play on

 :spank:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 11:13:18
Don't give him too much stick over his typo


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 11:28:08
oh ffs. I log in to see all this


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 11:31:54
oh ffs. I log in to see all this
You should have twigged...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 11:33:02
Maybe Bamboo can comment


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 11:49:49
given what he said, it's asking a hell of a lot of the out of contract players to say 'yes' to play on

My current gut feeling is that the Premier League will, somehow, return and EFL will not.

Germany's attempts to re-start will probably be harmed by the fact that three Cologne players have tested positive with no symptoms.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 11:52:34
My current gut feeling is that the Premier League will, somehow, return and EFL will not.
Think you're right, although I'd add the caveat that I think the PL will return, they'll quickly find that it's impossible to isolate/quarantine players/teams who have tested positive and still fulfill fixtures and they'll be back to the drawing board inside the 1st couple of weeks.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Pax Romana on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 18:02:43
Has anything been said about how replacing Bury will be handled if all the 19/20 results are voided?

Apologies if already covered, but surely one club (Crewe or Swindon presumably) would go up to Div 1 and one club from the National League (presumably Barrow) would go up to Div 2.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 18:22:01
Has anything been said about how replacing Bury will be handled if all the 19/20 results are voided?

Apologies if already covered, but surely one club (Crewe or Swindon presumably) would go up to Div 1 and one club from the National League (presumably Barrow) would go up to Div 2.



Another can of worms.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, May 2, 2020, 23:53:38
Maybe Bamboo can comment

Unfortunately, Bamboo is a grass (no pun).


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Monday, May 4, 2020, 07:31:16
So the prem teams are open to Neutral venues if no relegation. Which basically screws everyone else. I do hope some of the wankers do go bust if that does happen.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Power to people on Monday, May 4, 2020, 15:50:09
So the prem teams are open to Neutral venues if no relegation. Which basically screws everyone else. I do hope some of the wankers do go bust if that does happen.

But the team's in the relegation zone seemingly don't like that idea unless it's no relegation, a few of them I believe have to play the top 6, its like turkeys voting for Christmas, if they can come up with a way of keeping themselves on the gravy train then they will.

With only 6 needing to vote against anything put to them then you would not bet against them getting their way, but that then opens the door on what they do about promotion from the championship as surely they wont want to add 3 extra teams and add more games, the poor loves already play too many games.

The FA  / PL should make the decision and the club made to abide by the decision.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, May 4, 2020, 15:56:33
The FA  / PL should make the decision and the club made to abide by the decision.
The Premier League's decision making mechanism is by a vote of the clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Monday, May 4, 2020, 20:07:39
The group who want no relegation have conveniently overlooked the fact that if the jeopardy of relegation is removed there are a large number of “dead rubbers” in the remaining games (basically any game not involving a team contending for a European place). Do they seriously think that (for example) Bournemouth v West Ham or Aston Villa v Brighton (I haven’t checked if these are actually still to play but they illustrate my point) will be remotely interesting to anyone if there is no relegation?
If they agree this the TV companies will want their contracts reduced because the PL has acted in a way which reduces the interest in those games.
Self interest has blinded them to common sense.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, May 4, 2020, 20:12:21
Trust Bournemouth to be against the proposals.

Fucking scrubbers.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, May 4, 2020, 21:28:58
@McDonellDan

Waterford's players/staff were informed by the club today they were being temporarily laid off. Reaction from a Blues boss Alan Reynolds coming shortly on @IndoSport - he was surprised to find out the news from a player


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, May 4, 2020, 21:29:30
The group who want no relegation have conveniently overlooked the fact that if the jeopardy of relegation is removed there are a large number of “dead rubbers” in the remaining games (basically any game not involving a team contending for a European place). Do they seriously think that (for example) Bournemouth v West Ham or Aston Villa v Brighton (I haven’t checked if these are actually still to play but they illustrate my point) will be remotely interesting to anyone if there is no relegation?
If they agree this the TV companies will want their contracts reduced because the PL has acted in a way which reduces the interest in those games.
Self interest has blinded them to common sense.

I get the argument, but the TV money being paid for these last rounds of fixtures won’t be impacted by whether or not fans are in the stadium


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, May 4, 2020, 22:40:36
I get the argument, but the TV money being paid for these last rounds of fixtures won’t be impacted by whether or not fans are in the stadium

Will impact the overseas sales tho.
Those foreign channels won't want to pay for friendlies.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: otanswell on Monday, May 4, 2020, 23:10:44
@McDonellDan

Waterford's players/staff were informed by the club today they were being temporarily laid off. Reaction from a Blues boss Alan Reynolds coming shortly on @IndoSport - he was surprised to find out the news from a player

Proper cunts trick doing that by email


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 03:17:24
Trust Bournemouth to be against the proposals.

Fucking scrubbers.
Here’s the solution. If there is no relegation those 3 clubs who would have been relegated retain their PL status but, financially, only receive the parachute payments they would have received by being relegated.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 08:09:45
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0504/1136449-disgusted-waterford-players-staff-laid-off-by-email/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 09:16:04
I get the argument, but the TV money being paid for these last rounds of fixtures won’t be impacted by whether or not fans are in the stadium

Like so much of this imagine it will depend on what the precise cdontract says betwen the TV companies and the PL, can imagine the TV companies will be against paying top dollar for what willl be on the whole fairly pointless friendlies, probably played at little above walking pace with little contact between players.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 10:35:30
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0504/1136449-disgusted-waterford-players-staff-laid-off-by-email/
Hasn't he been wanting to pull out of Waterford for a while now?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 10:38:47
Hasn't he been wanting to pull out of Waterford for a while now?

I think this season was to be Power's last with Waterford... or something like that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 10:49:15
I think this season was to be Power's last with Waterford... or something like that.
I seem to remember him accusing them of conning him out of money or something like that and same issues caused them to be banned from playing in Europe.  Imagine he's just refused to put anymore money in and as a result they have no cashflow.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 10:53:28
He was screwed over from what I read; given promises by people in the Irish FA that were not kept.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 10:58:57
He was screwed over from what I read; given promises by people in the Irish FA that were not kept.

Wasn't it down to legal action by another club, linked to the date of Powers investment making them ineligible for Europe or something like that?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/waterford-in-limbo-as-euro-doubts-prompt-power-exit-fears-over-potential-240k-budget-hit-38030575.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/we-feel-we-have-been-totally-misled-waterford-owner-lee-power-slams-fai-over-clubs-europa-league-ban-38031763.html



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 11:05:02
Wasn't it down to legal action by another club, linked to the date of Powers investment making them ineligible for Europe or something like that?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/waterford-in-limbo-as-euro-doubts-prompt-power-exit-fears-over-potential-240k-budget-hit-38030575.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/we-feel-we-have-been-totally-misled-waterford-owner-lee-power-slams-fai-over-clubs-europa-league-ban-38031763.html


Either way clearly you wouldn’t plough anymore money in so this was inevitable.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 11:09:23
Wasn't it down to legal action by another club, linked to the date of Powers investment making them ineligible for Europe or something like that?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/waterford-in-limbo-as-euro-doubts-prompt-power-exit-fears-over-potential-240k-budget-hit-38030575.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/we-feel-we-have-been-totally-misled-waterford-owner-lee-power-slams-fai-over-clubs-europa-league-ban-38031763.html



Yes.

But apparently he was assured, by the Irish FA, that the legal issue in question was already covered. Only for it to turn out to not be the case. Apparently he went ahead and invested more on the back of the assurances he was given and ultimatley lost a fair whack as a result.

Or somethign like that.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 11:10:09
Love him or loathe him, MacAnthony talks a lot of sense here - along with Mark Palios

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/05/player-wages-and-contracts-will-bankrupt-efl-clubs-its-time-for-the-pfa-to-act


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 11:54:53
Proper cunts trick doing that by email

Who sent the email?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 11:56:58
Who sent the email?

His Son, apparently. He's the chief exec, or whatever title he has.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 12:08:06
Yes.

But apparently he was assured, by the Irish FA, that the legal issue in question was already covered. Only for it to turn out to not be the case. Apparently he went ahead and invested more on the back of the assurances he was given and ultimatley lost a fair whack as a result.

Or somethign like that.


Bad business sense not to have it in writing.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 12:16:13
From the horses mouth, so to speak....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52543735

Decisions within days apparently.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 12:47:32
Love him or loathe him, MacAnthony talks a lot of sense here - along with Mark Palios

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/05/player-wages-and-contracts-will-bankrupt-efl-clubs-its-time-for-the-pfa-to-act
The MacAnthony piece for those who are interested is here:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/04/efl-football-is-a-trillion-dollar-industry-it-cant-die-darragh-macanthony-peterborough

Audrey's link is to the Palios article - he's right, both worth reading


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 17:42:24
Rick Parry says parachure payments are "an evil that must be eradicated" and calls for a bailout for Football league clubs from the Premier League

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/05/efl-chief-parachute-payments-evil-eradicated-football


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 17:47:19
Wasnt is his idea in the first place?

But yes they are shite, rewards failure


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 18:33:38
Bad business sense not to have it in writing.
This is a good summary of the issue and Power's view. It was to do with reforming the club and then a 3 year rule applying to play in Europe. One of the other Irish clubs objected and took their place.

John Delaney who made the promise that Waterford would be OK got the boot as FAI CEO and his assurances went with him.

https://www.the42.ie/lee-power-interview-2-4991238-Feb2020/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 18:36:28
Who sent the email?

Michael Gove apparently.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 09:39:59
This is a good summary of the issue and Power's view. It was to do with reforming the club and then a 3 year rule applying to play in Europe. One of the other Irish clubs objected and took their place.

John Delaney who made the promise that Waterford would be OK got the boot as FAI CEO and his assurances went with him.

https://www.the42.ie/lee-power-interview-2-4991238-Feb2020/
The FAI have been a mess for years, Delaney is facing some serious investigations of the chaos under his tenure and it's likely to take some years to sort out, according to people who know Irish football better than I do


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 15:12:04
According to The Telegraph there is a meeting next week which is expected for L1 and L2 to be abandoned.

Ppg likely

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/06/league-one-two-could-abandoned-next-week-planned-efl-vote/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: kirky69 on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 15:41:07
According to The Telegraph there is a meeting next week which is expected for L1 and L2 to be abandoned.

Ppg likely

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/06/league-one-two-could-abandoned-next-week-planned-efl-vote/

Audrey - is there any chance of you cutting hand pasting as I can't access the full article without starting a free trial, which is not for me.
Thanks.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 19:54:45
Bundesliga to reopen this month, possibly as early as 15th May


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 19:56:43

Audrey - is there any chance of you cutting hand pasting as I can't access the full article without starting a free trial, which is not for me.
Thanks.
Here you go, paywall-free

https://archive.fo/FfDI1

Very handy site that - just grab the paywalled URL, go to http://archive.fo and paste it into the text box and hey presto!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 20:52:25
Bundesliga to reopen this month, possibly as early as 15th May

Alas, I don't think it'll change much for the English lower leagues.

Who knows?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 20:58:38

Audrey - is there any chance of you cutting hand pasting as I can't access the full article without starting a free trial, which is not for me.
Thanks.

Try this one
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8292787/League-One-League-Two-risk-abandoned-WEEK.html


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 21:31:41
Here you go, paywall-free

https://archive.fo/FfDI1

Very handy site that - just grab the paywalled URL, go to http://archive.fo and paste it into the text box and hey presto!

Just a shame it undermines an already struggling industry.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:24:44
Just a shame it undermines an already struggling industry.
Fair point. In the case of the Telegraph, though, with their billionaire owners who have done everything they can to undermine our demoracy, they can fuck off.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:31:14
They can all fuck off, left and right. The British press are a fucking disgrace. They have been for a long time and are getting worse. I know we need 'a' press, but in it's current form they are not to be trusted and do not serve us well.

It's sad that people will lose their jobs but, even then, some of those that will lose jobs have been self-serving wankers willing to destroy other peoples' lives for their own personal gain. Fuck them too.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:46:01
This is from the Telegraph's Economics Editor earlier this week:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXZW6mCXgAcgCsR?format=jpg&name=small)

Fair enough, but you can go first mate.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:54:26
Some cryptic comments on Twitter about Plymouth about to be docked points and Macclesfield going kaput.

Right. Confirmed Macclesfield docked 7 points for postponing their game v Plymouth.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Tails on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:58:37
Some cryptic comments on Twitter about Plymouth about to be docked points and Macclesfield going kaput.

Right. Confirmed Macclesfield docked 7 points for postponing their game v Plymouth.


The journo worded it horrendously so it seemed like Plymouth were getting points docked but that was never the case.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 11:14:40
That makes the bottom of L2 interesting if PPG comes into play.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 11:35:10
That makes the bottom of L2 interesting if PPG comes into play.

I prefer the interesting issues at the top of L2!!!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 11:54:29
Well, if they do go bust,their record this season will be expunged and we’ll lose 3 points. Not sure how it affects other clubs at the top.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 11:56:10
That makes the bottom of L2 interesting if PPG comes into play.
Yeah Stevenage will still go down though, and rightly so!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 12:18:59
No Dutch football matches with crowds until there is a vaccine against the coronavirus, says the health minister.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 12:20:33
No Dutch football matches with crowds until there is a vaccine against the coronavirus, says the health minister.
That could be decades... there's still no vaccine for HIV for example. Does he mean vaccine alone or vaccine/effective treatment?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 12:29:46
That could be decades... there's still no vaccine for HIV for example. Does he mean vaccine alone or vaccine/effective treatment?
Until then they will have a shhhmoke and a pancake.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 12:52:48
That could be decades... there's still no vaccine for HIV for example. Does he mean vaccine alone or vaccine/effective treatment?

"We cannot yet mention a date for the last step, the mass gatherings. That is actually only possible if there is a vaccine and no one knows how long it will take. We hope of course soon, but a year or more is very real."

There are apparently 460 clinical trials of potential vaccines underway at the moment worldwide, I am pinning my hopes on the Llamas.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 14:31:15
Very bold statement there. If they go down that route and say in 12 months there’s still no vaccine I think they’ll have a lot of civil unrest on their hands demanding it return.
That goes for everything COVID19 related to be honest, if in 12 months no vaccine is on the horizon and there are still restrictions people will be demanding a return to full normality and we’ll just have to live with the virus.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 14:41:05
That goes for everything COVID19 related to be honest, if in 12 months no vaccine is on the horizon and there are still restrictions people will be demanding a return to full normality and we’ll just have to live with the virus.

Kind of.  Except 'full normality' will be a bit different to what went before.  I'm sure 2020 will be a bit of an era-defining date for historians in future.  Pre-2020 life in some respects will come to be seen as quaintly old-fashioned.  And probably in more ways than we appreciate right now.

But I take your general point.  The longer the pandemic lasts, the more difficult governments will find it to enforce restrictions.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 17:03:32
Kind of.  Except 'full normality' will be a bit different to what went before.

Its not full normality, its the new normal as the government has chosen to utter in just about every sentence, get with the messaging!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 18:28:45
Well, if they do go bust,their record this season will be expunged and we’ll lose 3 points. Not sure how it affects other clubs at the top.
If I've got it right, we lose 3, Crewe and Plymouth 4, Cheltenham 3 and Exeter 6. I didn't bother with anyone farther down


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 20:29:07
League in Norway starting again on 16th of June, teams able to train again from now.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 8, 2020, 08:38:01
The Athletic saying that Leagues 1 and 2 will be told next week there is no hope of them finishing the season and to vote on how to decide the season. Once again the EFL not giving a shit about anything below Championship. They will also look fucking stupid if they dont promote lower league teams whilst crowing about suing the PL if teams dont go up from the Champuonship.

PPG is the only way for me, rather than null and voiding. It rewards failure, are Bolton and Macclesfield going to serve their punishments next season? Teams also saying they dont agree with PPG in case they could enter a run of form and its disproportianate is a load of bollocks too, you cant guess possible results. Stevenage, havent won a game since January and would be rewarded. Just end it now, PPG the only option.

Promote top three, have the chairmen from the playoff teams have a fourball at a golf course and promote the winner of that, promote Barrow. Job done :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 8, 2020, 08:39:09
So Swindon will go up as champions with Crewe, Plymouth and Cheltenham while in Coventry, Rotherham and Oxford will go up to the Championship using a formula different to the one that would see Wycombe rise a billion places.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 8, 2020, 08:41:34
Is it a different formula to a straight PPG then?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 8, 2020, 08:44:26
Quote
The rationale for this idea is a non-weighted PPG calculation does not take into account the fact that some teams have four home games left, while others have six.

This season across the Football League, the home team has won 46 per cent of the time, with away teams winning only 26 per cent of the games. Over the last six EFL seasons, the average PPG at home is 1.55, compared to 1.19 away.

Under this method, which has been used to decide the tables in English grassroots club rugby union, each club’s PPG would be worked out for their home and away fixtures, then multiplied by 22 for League One, which had 23 clubs this season because of Bury’s demise last summer, and 23 for League Two and then added together to reach a total for the season.

With the EFL admitting there is no chance of staging its traditional end-of-season play-offs in Leagues One and Two, the top three sides in the League One will be promoted to the Championship, with three going down to League Two, while four come up from League Two and only one goes down, to restore the EFL to its full quota of 72 teams.

The weighted PPG method does not change the top three in League One at all, meaning Coventry City would be crowned champions, with Rotherham United and Oxford United joining them in the Championship next season. The current bottom three — Tranmere Rovers, Southend United and Bolton Wanderers — would still be the bottom three, although Bolton would climb one spot, leaving Southend in last place.

In League Two, Swindon Town would leapfrog Crewe Alexandra into first place, with Plymouth Argyle staying in third but Cheltenham Town climbing over Exeter City to claim the final promotion spot. Stevenage would remain in last place, despite the seven-point deduction Macclesfield Town received on Thursday for failing to fulfill a fixture or pay their players on time.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 8, 2020, 08:50:48
Makes sense, i only saw the first part of the article as it was behind a paywall.

So, the Oxford owner has achieved more in 3 years than ours has in 5 ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 8, 2020, 09:03:31
Makes sense, i only saw the first part of the article as it was behind a paywall.

So, the Oxford owner has achieved more in 3 years than ours has in 5 ;)

If this is the methodolgy the EFL clubs opt for then I'm not concerned by the Oxford news because Swindon getting out of L2 is the most important outcome. I'm not hugely bothered about the trophy either but losing to Crewe with a game in hand would perhaps linger on the mind.

To be honest, I'd love to end the run against Oxford and you can't do that without playing them but am content to avoid the circus for at least another season. Their momentum pre-suspension justifies promotion.

Cheltenham Town (a) again though. Great!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 09:19:57
Cheltenham Town (a) again though. Great!
Literally just read the Athletic piece and came on here to say exactly that. While by and large, weighted PPG seems the least worst way of resolving matters and obviously as you say us going up is the most important thing, Cheltenham again .... nnnnggghhhhh! Seems harsh on Exeter as well who are a far better side


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 8, 2020, 09:24:00
They will rue the momentum of Cheltenham but Exeter were wobbling and Chelt were kicking on.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 09:25:58
They will rue the momentum of Cheltenham but Exeter were wobbling and Chelt were kicking on.
Oh I know and the (weighted PPG adjusted) table doesn't lie and all that, but still feel Exeter were a better side. Which doesn't always translate into better results, esp in L2. Except for us, we are fucking glorious!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 8, 2020, 09:30:37
I wish we didn't mess up against FGR so we could have been top in every given scenario beyond playing the remaining games and ending it 'as it is'.

If it does end 'as it is' then I'm going to write a very polite yet highly critical letter to the officials who gave Northampton that goal at the CG.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 09:38:05
I wish we didn't mess up against FGR so we could have been top in every given scenario beyond playing the remaining games and ending it 'as it is'.

If it does end 'as it is' then I'm going to write a very polite yet highly critical letter to the officials who gave Northampton that goal at the CG.
Deliver it wrapped round a brick through their kitchen window


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 8, 2020, 09:47:53
Gutted if the piss stains go up. Bunch of cunts.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 8, 2020, 09:50:20
I wish we didn't mess up against FGR so we could have been top in every given scenario beyond playing the remaining games and ending it 'as it is'.
I was thinking exactly the same thing myself.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:13:24
Their weighted PPG makes sense. Worked out by PPG at home x23 + PPG away x23. This would be the final points tally by my calculations:

Swindon – 87.51
Crewe – 85.34
Plymouth – 84.13
Cheltenham – 81.78
Exeter – 81.17


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:13:32
I wish we didn't mess up against FGR so we could have been top in every given scenario beyond playing the remaining games and ending it 'as it is'.

If it does end 'as it is' then I'm going to write a very polite yet highly critical letter to the officials who gave Northampton that goal at the CG.
We lost to the better team that day.

Promote but don't award championship or award trophies.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:18:41
I wish we didn't mess up against FGR so we could have been top in every given scenario beyond playing the remaining games and ending it 'as it is'.

If it does end 'as it is' then I'm going to write a very polite yet highly critical letter to the officials who gave Northampton that goal at the CG.
Was the same ref for the Ecotricity FC match was it not and he was equally as inept.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:25:45
I agree that if using the PPG method, it wouldn't be appropriate to give the title to the top team. There will always be an asterisk by it anyway.


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:38:19
Quote
I wish we didn't mess up against FGR so we could have been top in every given scenario beyond playing the remaining games and ending it 'as it is'.

If it does end 'as it is' then I'm going to write a very polite yet highly critical letter to the officials who gave Northampton that goal at the CG.
if they finish 'as is' there shouldn't be a champion, just promoted sides.

actually I think that's probably how it should be anyway if I'm honest.

edit: oh, should have read the rest of the posts making the same point first


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:43:04
I want there to be a champion.

That is provided it's us and not somebody else, in which case, fuck that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Leggett on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:48:31
Was the same ref for the Ecotricity FC match was it not and he was equally as inept.

Was just gonna post the same thing, same ref for both games, both with equally shite decisions in. How he's a league ref, god only knows.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:53:08
I want there to be a champion.

That is provided it's us and not somebody else, in which case, fuck that.
Yep, this.

I don't mind being Champions*


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:57:12
I can live with the asterix. Who's going to beat obsess over that fact? Oxford? Nope as they're going up with one too.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 8, 2020, 10:58:42
Gutted if the piss stains go up. Bunch of cunts.

Nose bleed time.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 8, 2020, 11:01:56
I can live with the asterix. Who's going to beat obsess over that fact? Oxford? Nope as they're going up with one too.
Thats a fair point.

I think we are all coming to the conclusion that L1 and L2 will not be finished now and the season will end, and probably rightly so. The Premier League is a different matter and I can see them finishing with BCD as crowds seem to be far less important a factor at that level than it is financially and atmosphere wise than in the bottom 2 leagues.

The Championship will have to decide which way to jump.

A form of PPG has to be the only viable solution and there will always be some teams not happy with any decision but we are at the top on merit and exactly the opposite for Stevenage. Even if we aren't Champions* then any scenario that we are promoted will be fine, although I want to be Champions*.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Friday, May 8, 2020, 11:06:55
Let's hope Crewe are not League Two Champions 2019-2020*.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 8, 2020, 11:07:54
Let's hope Crewe are not League Two Champions 2019-2020*.
If they are they are, we will have to live with that, as long as we get promoted*.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Friday, May 8, 2020, 11:15:13
In fact, let's hope that it isn't League Two 2019-2020*

*Void


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 8, 2020, 11:21:35
Clubs may get promoted and relegated but the big question remains.

Which clubs will still be around when football starts up again?

The pyramid could well look entirely different.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, May 8, 2020, 12:16:06
Was just gonna post the same thing, same ref for both games, both with equally shite decisions in. How he's a league ref, god only knows.
Sunday league at best.  Fucking Wanker.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, May 8, 2020, 12:52:11
If the League 1 and 2 final positions were decided on weighted PPG and assuming the Championship and PL resume.

Why not have one leg play off games for those in the 4 play off spots. They would generate TV interest and payments to cover wages.

I don't see how the 3rd in League 1 or 4th in League 2 can take the play off promotion spot if that league placing hasn't won promotion since 1986?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 8, 2020, 13:07:07
Oxford going up or not I still think think the play-off promotion spot should be scrapped this season as a form of compromise. It minimises controversy in terms of who goes up from league 1 and also the league 1 relegation. Similarly it’s equally tight at the bottom of the championship excluding the bottom 2.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 13:25:28
Oxford going up or not I still think think the play-off promotion spot should be scrapped this season as a form of compromise. It minimises controversy in terms of who goes up from league 1 and also the league 1 relegation. Similarly it’s equally tight at the bottom of the championship excluding the bottom 2.
Have to agree.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 8, 2020, 13:31:03
I’d use Rock, Paper, Scissors if it meant that lot not going up


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RedRag on Friday, May 8, 2020, 13:54:50
Whilst STFC 's promotion is the only outcome that really matters, I just can't help myself worrying about the Pox and League One

autos only  :pint:

1   fair
2   practicable and most importantly
3   satisfy my personal concerns

Top 3 up: PPG  :)

Ditto with Wycombe leapfrogging all into 3rd place.  (but I'd quite like Wycombe as well as Oxford and Pompey on next year's fixture card)

PO Promotion  :hmmm:
Allows Pisstains a chance and also Pompey both of whom I'd like us to play next year.

Season voided with no promotions :crash:



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, May 8, 2020, 15:42:59
I just can't help myself worrying about the Pox and League One


Really?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 16:26:12
Really?

I'm with you why would anyone worry about the pox as they're insignificant and will never be as big as STFC and even this season we topped their biggest crowd of 11,917'against Man City with over 13,000 against Exeter!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 17:06:48
Darragh MacAnthony already whinging about PPG and threatening legal action if it's anything other than playing out all the games to conclude the season.

https://twitter.com/DMAC102/status/1258755944021966849


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 8, 2020, 17:16:06
Darragh MacAnthony already whinging about PPG and threatening legal action if it's anything other than playing out all the games to conclude the season.

https://twitter.com/DMAC102/status/1258755944021966849

Right on schedule. I predict a lot of noise and then maybe some tentative steps and then... nothing.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, May 8, 2020, 17:26:06
Expect a lot of noise from clubs that haven’t been good enough all season but somehow have a chance off the play offs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, May 8, 2020, 18:13:43
even this season we topped their biggest crowd of 11,917'against Man City with over 13,000 against Exeter!

Good one, you do know that Oxford vs Man City was a sell out?

As it was when we played them a year before.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 18:27:25
Good one, you do know that Oxford vs Man City was a sell out?

As it was when we played them a year before.
What a shame you never got round to finishing that 4th side then, might have got a few more in :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 8, 2020, 18:29:35
What a shame you never got round to finishing that 4th side then, might have got a few more in :)

It'll work out quite nicely when games restart behind closed doors, they can do the drive-in football thing like FC Midtjylland are planning except you'll be able to see the pitch. Won't be laughing then.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 8, 2020, 18:39:39
Good one, you do know that Oxford vs Man City was a sell out?

As it was when we played them a year before.

Did you get yourself a 50/50 scarf?  :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 18:41:48
It'll work out quite nicely when games restart behind closed doors, they can do the drive-in football thing like FC Midtjylland are planning except you'll be able to see the pitch. Won't be laughing then.
:D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, May 8, 2020, 19:52:14
Oh, the wit!

You're much better at virtue signalling paul, everyone knows it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 20:21:26
Good one, you do know that Oxford vs Man City was a sell out?

As it was when we played them a year before.

My point exactly they will never be as big as STFC neither can they get new roles our record crowd of 32000 1972 against Arsenal


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 8, 2020, 20:22:12
Good one, you do know that Oxford vs Man City was a sell out?

As it was when we played them a year before.
I think that was the point. You had a sell out against Man City and we had more against Exeter.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, May 8, 2020, 20:30:06
Not sure we can take any moral high ground on attendances when we hardly, if ever, in the last 30 years have had a full ground at the CG for this particular derby.

There are multiple CG attendances of 7/8K for our “big” rivalry


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 8, 2020, 20:30:20
Which wasn't a sell out  :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Mother Brown on Friday, May 8, 2020, 20:54:30
When was the last time we sold our total allocation at the scum ?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 21:17:25
Not sure we can take any moral high ground on attendances when we hardly, if ever, in the last 30 years have had a full ground at the CG for this particular derby.

There are multiple CG attendances of 7/8K for our “big” rivalry

Agreed but if we get things right on the pitch it proves we have the potential for bigger crowds than them


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 8, 2020, 21:19:03
Not sure we can take any moral high ground on attendances when we hardly, if ever, in the last 30 years have had a full ground at the CG for this particular derby.

There are multiple CG attendances of 7/8K for our “big” rivalry

They were always around 10 or 11k from what I remember.  The Pox never used to bring more than about 1200. Because it's a bit of a "punchy" derby quite a few from both sides would stay away.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, May 8, 2020, 21:22:27
Agreed but if we get things right on the pitch it proves we have the potential for bigger crowds than them

I guess when you're facing the prospect of playing two divisions below us, you have to cling on to possibilities like this.

My point exactly they will never be as big as STFC neither can they get new roles our record crowd of 32000 1972 against Arsenal

We should probably just end football forever then. Make a table of record attendances and assign league positions directly from it. Done. No need to play any more games.

I think that was the point. You had a sell out against Man City and we had more against Exeter.

If our match against Man City hadn't sold out there'd be a semblance of a point.

Not sure we can take any moral high ground on attendances when we hardly, if ever, in the last 30 years have had a full ground at the CG for this particular derby.

There are multiple CG attendances of 7/8K for our “big” rivalry

Good to hear some reason.

In 2011 I couldn't get away end tickets so gave a Swindon postcode at your box office and sat in the Arkell's.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 21:29:11
We should probably just end football forever then. Make a table of record attendances and assign league positions directly from it. Done. No need to play any more games.
How very old fashioned. Clearly it should be done by comparing each club's balance sheet and ability to splurge vast quantities of corrupt regime's cash on superstar players


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 21:39:48
I guess when you're facing the prospect of playing two divisions below us, you have to cling on to possibilities like this.

We should probably just end football forever then. Make a table of record attendances and assign league positions directly from it. Done. No need to play any more games.

If our match against Man City hadn't sold out there'd be a semblance of a point.

Good to hear some reason.

In 2011 I couldn't get away end tickets so gave a Swindon postcode at your box office and sat in the Arkell's.

 If the season in both leagues finishes as things stand we wont play you next season but both will be happy. If played behind closed doors it could still be the same outcome but one or both of us could still mess up if we don't hit the ground running leaving us where we both are, both in  league one or you in the championship two leagues apart! Anything is still possible


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, May 8, 2020, 21:40:47
How very old fashioned. Clearly it should be done by comparing each club's balance sheet and ability to splurge vast quantities of corrupt regime's cash on superstar players

Ah good, back to the virtues. Pick whichever method of comparison suits you best and gives you the illusion of superiority.

But it may be best to avoid looking at the league tables or any results from the last 19 years.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 8, 2020, 21:45:58
Ah good, back to the virtues. Pick whichever method of comparison suits you best and gives you the illusion of superiority.

But it may be best to avoid looking at the league tables or any results from the last 19 years.
Bloody hell, it was a joke and it was a dig at the like of Man City, PSG and Newcastle, not your lot. No-one's going to bother sportswashing via your tinpot outfit :) Think you need a beer mate.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, May 8, 2020, 21:52:38
Ah I thought you meant our Thai guy. It did seem a bit rich coming from a supporter of a club that have been relegated for dodgy dealings.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:04:54
Ah I thought you meant our Thai guy. It did seem a bit rich coming from a supporter of a club that have been relegated for dodgy dealings.


Demoted it was before a ball was even kicked! Shame we never had Alan Sugar behind us at the time we would have just got our wrist slapped with a small fine!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:08:46
Gotta love middle aged men arguing about whose lower league club is the best


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:10:41
My point exactly they will never be as big as STFC neither can they get new roles our record crowd of 32000 1972 against Arsenal

I had this in a family quiz last night.  I guessed (a) 32,000; (b) Arsenal & (c) 1980.  So just 2 out of 3.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:13:50
I had this in a family quiz last night.  I guessed (a) 32,000; (b) Arsenal & (c) 1980.  So just 2 out of 3.

We played Arsenal again in 1979 in the league cup in front of just under 22,000


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:16:36
Thanks.  That's probably what I had at the back of my mind.  Well before my time, anyway.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:19:42
Thanks.  That's probably what I had at the back of my mind.  Well before my time, anyway.

I was still at school and one of my best memories


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:22:15
Gotta love middle aged men arguing about whose lower league club is the best

I'm under no illusions here, and I couldn't give a monkeys 'who is best'. All a bit of fun.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:22:57
I'm under no illusions here, and I couldn't give a monkeys 'who is best'. All a bit of fun.

Exactly


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 8, 2020, 22:26:07
I'm under no illusions here, and I couldn't give a monkeys 'who is best'. All a bit of fun.

Exactly as I see it MG. fair play to ya!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, May 8, 2020, 23:07:33
Exactly

Mixed messages then

why would anyone worry about the pox as they're insignificant and will never be as big as STFC

My point exactly they will never be as big as STFC

Because earlier you played a very convincing mong.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 8, 2020, 23:21:41
All good fun isnt it.

I do long for the days when we spend a few years in the National League though ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 8, 2020, 23:23:38
All good fun isnt it.

I do long for the days when we spend a few years in the National League though ;)

We've done ok since 1879 a little longer than the early 60's neither have never changed names!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, May 8, 2020, 23:31:43
Is this summer the centenary of our election to the League?  100 year unbroken run.  If so, it's a shame the final lap is going to end this way.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 03:29:23
Well, that little Thai fella set the wheels in motion for Reading’s financial disaster and, no doubt, a similar scenario will eventually unfold at Oxford - probably augmented by the spawniest promotion ever. They’ll either just crash and burn in the Championship or, least likely, throw somebody’s money at it and still crash and burn ending with a financial noose round their neck.

Does anybody know who he is a front for?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 03:39:32
This is from the Telegraph's Economics Editor earlier this week:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXZW6mCXgAcgCsR?format=jpg&name=small)

Fair enough, but you can go first mate.

*Removes Russell Lynch from Christmas card list. Adds Russell Lynch to 'VIP invititation to Hell' list*

And yes 'tit' was intentional  ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 06:09:56
We played Arsenal again in 1979 in the league cup in front of just under 22,000
That cup run got me the bug. Shame we haven't had any cup runs like it recently to maintain the pipeline. It's the legacy we will have from the current owner.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 09:15:43
That cup run got me the bug. Shame we haven't had any cup runs like it recently to maintain the pipeline. It's the legacy we will have from the current owner.

Great times Arsenal Spurs, Wolves all massive cup games and Town held their own against the big boys and fantastic away support which will live with me forever


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 09:30:05
Great times Arsenal Spurs, Wolves all massive cup games and Town held their own against the big boys and fantastic away support which will live with me forever

Sadly, those 'good old days' are unlikely to return and the effects of the current pandemic will only widen the gulf between the lower leagues and the 'big boys'.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 09:39:54
Sadly, those 'good old days' are unlikely to return and the effects of the current pandemic will only widen the gulf between the lower leagues and the 'big boys'.

Yes I agree


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 09:51:58
We played Arsenal again in 1979 in the league cup in front of just under 22,000

I'm sure this will have been dealt with in a thread before I joined. I attended from 1975 and throughout the seventies I can't recall ever paying to get in. On the Shrivenham road I and lots of other kids got passed over the turnstile and for the seats I just walked up the rickety stairs and in. I doubt my Grandfather ever stopped to get me a ticket. My apologies to him if I am wrong. He was a season ticket holder from after the war until the mid 80's so new the bloke on the door. Similarly, my Dad was a steward in the North Stand, and again, I just walked in. How many used to climb up and over into the Stratton bank? Lots. My point is that attendance figures are bollocks and always have been. Arsenal 79, Tottenham 80 etc figures made up. Who remembers the huge laugh when the attendance was announced v Ipswich first game after demotion? Quickly altered five minutes later to a huge cheer. So we have probably had much bigger support and the same for all clubs. Corrupt clubs and officials and who says no to a freebie? I used to think I owed them but having sat through the 99/2000 season I dismissed that thought!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 10:07:24
I'm sure this will have been dealt with in a thread before I joined. I attended from 1975 and throughout the seventies I can't recall ever paying to get in. On the Shrivenham road I and lots of other kids got passed over the turnstile and for the seats I just walked up the rickety stairs and in. I doubt my Grandfather ever stopped to get me a ticket. My apologies to him if I am wrong. He was a season ticket holder from after the war until the mid 80's so new the bloke on the door. Similarly, my Dad was a steward in the North Stand, and again, I just walked in. How many used to climb up and over into the Stratton bank? Lots. My point is that attendance figures are bollocks and always have been. Arsenal 79, Tottenham 80 etc figures made up. Who remembers the huge laugh when the attendance was announced v Ipswich first game after demotion? Quickly altered five minutes later to a huge cheer. So we have probably had much bigger support and the same for all clubs. Corrupt clubs and officials and who says no to a freebie? I used to think I owed them but having sat through the 99/2000 season I dismissed that thought!
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I was at all those games and it was quite well known that the attendance were fixed and another game that stands out was Bournemouth at home over the Easter week end in 1987. It was a top of the table clash and we were packed in like sardines but they gave the crowd out as 14,302 which was simply unbelievable as there were no spaces anywhere apart from the few seats above the shrivenham road stand.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 10:09:33
I honestly can’t remember when it changed from pay cash at the turnstile to pre-paid ticket entry.

All that physical money sloshing around on Matchdays was too tempting for most owners - hence the incredulity at some of the announced attendances. Also meant less money to pay the away club, too.

Suppose they’re using more technological methods to siphon it off nowadays.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 10:59:33
I'm under no illusions here, and I couldn't give a monkeys 'who is best'. All a bit of fun.
Absolutely, I say I hate Oxford, but tbh I actually hate the tiny minority of Oxford supporters that create havoc at games with totally mindless violence, same reason I hate Bristol Rovers and City. Its not a club thing as such its a group of idiot supporters that I really hate.

I am sure in the same boat Swindon have a similar amount of idiot supporters that just go to games to have a fight and they don't actualyl really give a flying fuck about the actual result or the club they profess to support.

Don't stop posting Goat man becuase its always great to hear what other fans think about things rather than just having a Swindon viewpoint (thats a link for the oldies!).



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Family at War on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 13:03:46
To be honest what Robinson has done at Oxford this season turning them around after selling two key players they deserve to go up


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 13:14:42
To be honest what Robinson has done at Oxford this season turning them around after selling two key players they deserve to go up


What Coventry, Rotherham and Fleetwood have done is more commendable considering crowds, budgets and grown sharing goes


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 15:02:39

What Coventry, Rotherham and Fleetwood have done is more commendable considering crowds, budgets and grown sharing goes

Not sure about Rotherham in that mix, and Fleetwood are being bankrolled.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 15:23:03

I think he'll let you have Coventry, though, Jimmy. :-)
Not sure about Rotherham in that mix, and Fleetwood are being bankrolled.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 15:53:16
B teams in the Football League to replace teams that have gone bust is being suggested again by, among others, Brighton's Technical Director. So faced with the prospect of the lower tiers of the football pyramid going bust, the Premier League clubs' reaction isn't to think how they can help out but how they can exploit the distress of historic clubs the game is founded on for their own gain. Wankers.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 15:57:26
I understood that B teams was the price we had to pay for getting a survival handout from the PL - in which case, none should go bust.

Tbh, they only want to get experience for their young players - surely the loan system achieves that already.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:06:31
I understood that B teams was the price we had to pay for getting a survival handout from the PL - in which case, none should go bust.
No mention of a handout in the report I saw, just naked self-interest dressed up as "sharing resources"

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/b-team-idea-could-return-table-coronavirus-shutdown-brighton-dan-ashworth-a4436186.html

If you've seen something more in-depth, be interested to see it


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:11:07
Just read this and put 2 and 2 together

‘Parry said they would help Premier clubs send youth loans to EFL clubs if they needed them. I think that’s a great idea. In the short term. Doesn’t make them B teams. Prem are willing to give EFL cash if Prem start. I wouldn’t be knocking that idea either.’


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:15:14
If the big clubs take advantage of this and get partner clubs or b teams out of it then I’ll be done with football.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:15:57
Lot of fans would be the same.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:21:05
Just read this and put 2 and 2 together

‘Parry said they would help Premier clubs send youth loans to EFL clubs if they needed them. I think that’s a great idea. In the short term. Doesn’t make them B teams. Prem are willing to give EFL cash if Prem start. I wouldn’t be knocking that idea either.’
Sorry but who's that a quote from? Someone claiming to paraphrase Rick Parry and is the assertion that the Prem are willing to give EFL cash from Parry or this bloke you're quoting?


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:26:45
Quote
If the big clubs take advantage of this and get partner clubs or b teams out of it then I’ll be done with football.
I'd rather go bust and start again


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:27:44
Journo

He reckons if the PL restarts they are willing to give EFL clubs a handout. I was presuming that in return they’d press for B teams again.

Only me surmising.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:46:46
Journo

He reckons if the PL restarts they are willing to give EFL clubs a handout. I was presuming that in return they’d press for B teams again.

Only me surmising.
OK, but was this in a private conversation with said journo or (presumably) something you've seen quoted in an article or on Twitter? Not doubting you, just wondering where it's come from (e.g. if it's someone with a track record of being on the money, correspondent for one of the nationals or just some random bullshitter who strings for PA)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 16:48:35
Nixon on Twitter


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 17:03:57
Nixon on Twitter
Cheers!


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 18:27:02
B teams in the Football League to replace teams that have gone bust is being suggested again by, among others, Brighton's Technical Director. So faced with the prospect of the lower tiers of the football pyramid going bust, the Premier League clubs' reaction isn't to think how they can help out but how they can exploit the distress of historic clubs the game is founded on for their own gain. Wankers.
Who the hell do Brighton think they are, Billy Big Time?. Given their recent history you would think they would be more appreciative of the lower league situation.

If we hadn't sold them Gordon Greer....


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 20:34:37
Who the hell do Brighton think they are, Billy Big Time?. Given their recent history you would think they would be more appreciative of the lower league situation.

If we hadn't sold them Gordon Greer....

The goldstone ground was a cracking ground but now they're just another soulless club


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 21:17:48
The goldstone ground was a cracking ground but now they're just another soulless club

Went there in 95, we won 3-0  :)


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 21:25:14
Went there in 95, we won 3-0  :)

Ah yeah Steve Finney bagged a couple :pint:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 11:44:26
Most likely scenario it seems to me is that the PL try to complete the season behind closed doors and the whole thing falls apart in the first week after the first few positive tests. If nothing else because players will refuse to put their own health at risk.
Just a week before the Bundesliga is due to resume, Dresden has put their entire squad in quarantine for two weeks after two players tested positive for Covid19. Likely to not be the only case. Be interesting to see how German football copes with this, I'd imagine the PL is watching very closely


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 11:45:42
Maybe they should just let herd immunity run through footballers.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 11:47:49
It's not as if they'll be in close contact with more than the 30ish people who play that day, if they don't want to play then they don't get paid. Same deal as a lot of front line workers.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 12:13:14
Strange, though, that Covid only seems to be infecting players of relegation threatened clubs. Brighton have now said a third, unnamed, player has contracted it and, blimey o Riley, none are showing symptoms. Nice and convenient, that. They also don’t  fancy neutral venues as it lessens their home advantage.

If clubs are trying to wriggle out using the Covid excuse then those players should be independently tested


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 12:21:25
The goldstone ground was a cracking ground but now they're just another soulless club

Yes the goldstone was ace but the Amex is s far from soulless. One hell of a lot of effort was put into it to make sure it wasn’t.
Even the away end has details that prove they wanted anything but. Away fans have colored lights in their teams colours. A local beer from their own area and post match (unless it’s a team with a “history”, home and away fans can mix as they have djs hosting a  “party” for 2 hours after the final whistle


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 12:31:30
Yes the goldstone was ace but the Amex is s far from soulless. One hell of a lot of effort was put into it to make sure it wasn’t.

Absolutely.

I fucking hate almost every ground built in last 20 odd years or so, give me an old original ground every day.

However the Amex is superb, original unique design, character, etc.  Best new ground there is by a mile. Only downside is the location, miles outside Brighton itself.


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 12:36:09
Absolutely.

I fucking hate almost every ground built in last 20 odd years or so, give me an old original ground every day.

However the Amex is superb, original unique design, character, etc.  Best new ground there is by a mile. Only downside is the location, miles outside Brighton itself.

Unfortunately they didn’t have much choice with location. They battled fucking hard for that ground. Yes I know there’s animosity between both sets of fans but don’t forget they helped us when diamond mike was trying to kill us.
It’s 3 stops from the main station but every fan with a ticket gets free public transport to and from the ground to make up for its location


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: BrightonRed on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 12:50:35
It pains me to say it but as far as new grounds are concerned the Amex is excellent. Its probably just safe standing away from being the perfect modern football ground. It's well away from the town centre but transport is well organised, regular, quick and free. This means that you've got some of the best pubs that Brighton has to offer available for pre-match drinks. It really is no harder than the stroll to the County Ground.

It can be tricky to get away but as has been said above, they give you reasons to stick around which "flattens the curve" of the exodus.

Sent from my SM-N950F


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cookie on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 13:31:23
However nice their ground is they're still cunts for suggesting B teams. Fucking cheek of them after struggling not so long ago, fucking wankers.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 13:44:09
However nice their ground is they're still cunts for suggesting B teams. Fucking cheek of them after struggling not so long ago, fucking wankers.

Their chief exec has, the fans I know would be as appalled as you and me


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 13:53:54
Absolutely.

I fucking hate almost every ground built in last 20 odd years or so, give me an old original ground every day.

However the Amex is superb, original unique design, character, etc.  Best new ground there is by a mile. Only downside is the location, miles outside Brighton itself.

I'm not disputing that the ground and facalities are superb but I prefer less sanitised stadiums and would choose Southampton over Brighton for all round experience


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 13:57:32
See for me Southampton is the typical bog standard new build, there are 10 pretty much identical grounds in the country just with different colour seats.

On the flip side, the ground being slap bang in the city centre is a major plus


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 13:57:58
I'm not disputing that the ground and facalities are superb but I prefer less sanitised stadiums and would choose Southampton over Brighton for all round experience
There is no doubt that St Marys is a far far better ground in every aspect than The Dell which was an absolute shit hole, there are a few cases of new stadiums being better than the old for certain, but not all by any means.

For me St Marys is easily the best of the new stadiums built this century, it has the feel of an older ground but with great facilities and positioning too. It just has a nice feel about it.


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 14:06:13
Strange, though, that Covid only seems to be infecting players of relegation threatened clubs. Brighton have now said a third, unnamed, player has contracted it and, blimey o Riley, none are showing symptoms. Nice and convenient, that. They also don’t  fancy neutral venues as it lessens their home advantage.

If clubs are trying to wriggle out using the Covid excuse then those players should be independently tested
Yeah I'd noticed that as well.

As for the home advantage,  not sure that means that much in an empty stadium.

I understand (heard on radio actually) that the bottom 6 have the same number and breakdown of home and away games left anyway so it's all a bit of a dead cat.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 10, 2020, 14:33:42
Still hoping Bournemouth go down.

Cunts.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, May 11, 2020, 12:05:01
Still hoping Bournemouth go down.

Cunts.

yes...any system that sees that outcome is approved by me.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 11, 2020, 13:58:30
I get it. Great opportunity to somehow avoid the drop but, man, if they do...

https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/may/blues-and-covid-19/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, May 11, 2020, 14:01:21
"Step 2 of government's recovery strategy includes "permitting cultural and sporting events to take place behind closed-doors for broadcast, while avoiding the risk of large-scale social contact".
Current aim is that this step "will be made no earlier than Monday 1 June". "

https://mobile.twitter.com/LauraScott__/status/1259833056380280832


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 11, 2020, 14:04:46
"Step 2 of government's recovery strategy includes "permitting cultural and sporting events to take place behind closed-doors for broadcast, while avoiding the risk of large-scale social contact".
Current aim is that this step "will be made no earlier than Monday 1 June". "

https://mobile.twitter.com/LauraScott__/status/1259833056380280832

(https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/1861/screenshots/39476/shot_1280411326.jpg)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, May 11, 2020, 14:08:46
I get it. Great opportunity to somehow avoid the drop but, man, if they do...

https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/may/blues-and-covid-19/

Fair play to him for admitting its all about his own club’s interests


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 11, 2020, 14:19:40
I get it. Great opportunity to somehow avoid the drop but, man, if they do...

https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2020/may/blues-and-covid-19/
You would expect a chairman in his position to want the season voided.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Monday, May 11, 2020, 17:29:17
Over on the piss-ridden pox stained forum, one of their Old Boys has suggested that their season ticket holders should vote in a referendum on how Poxford United should vote on if & how the current season can be finished.

Great idea if people respect the result of the referendum , eh lads?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, May 11, 2020, 18:00:08
League meeting tomorrow to decide how season will be concluded apparently, Wellens expecting decision Thursday or Friday


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, May 11, 2020, 18:51:50
As each day/week passes, I fear that the likelihood of a void season increases.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 11, 2020, 18:57:42
The FA have come out and said that null and void is off the table


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: dogs on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:02:57
More and more looking likely to be the weighted ppg.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:04:22
As each day/week passes, I fear that the likelihood of a void season increases.
This won't happen.

If the National League had voided rather than cancelled the season then that may have been an option.

As it is, the season will definately not be voided and results expunged.

From what I have read only about 4 or 5 clubs would be in favour of voiding the leagues, every single one of them would be relegated under every PPG outcome so basically that makes their point totally biased, I am 100% certain this will not happen.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:07:03
The FA have come out and said that null and void is off the table

Noted thanks. I missed that then.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:09:17
Noted thanks. I missed that then.

Quote
Mon May 11, 2020 4:29 pm
FA Chairman Greg Clarke has told Premier League clubs today the governing body will not sanction “no relegation” or voiding the season

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/season-will-not-be-voided-and-relegation-wont-be-scrapped-says-fa-chairman-greg-clarke-72j3rt7rt


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:17:57
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/season-will-not-be-voided-and-relegation-wont-be-scrapped-says-fa-chairman-greg-clarke-72j3rt7rt

Many thanks for this.

I note what you say about the NL - but I seem to recall that no decision has been made on the ultimate outcome of this season. Presumably this could ultimately result in no promotion to the FL.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:29:06
Over on the piss-ridden pox stained forum, one of their Old Boys has suggested that their season ticket holders should vote in a referendum on how Poxford United should vote on if & how the current season can be finished.
What are you doing looking on there?! Weirdo.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:35:05
The FA have come out and said that null and void is off the table

So, we win the league, yes?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:36:18
So, we win the league, yes?

Unless 'as it stands' is on the poll and that wins.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:39:52
What are you doing looking on there?! Weirdo.

I'm not sure where to start here..


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:40:42
Tbh, no club should be awarded a championship in these circumstances. An asterisk will have to suffice.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:42:05
I know it's an obvious Swindon Town fan opinion given League One PPG and the fact that Town are likely to go up but I do think there's something logical about completing a Play-Offs to appease Exeter, Colchester, Northampton (and Portsmouth, Fleetwood and Peterborough).

Not passionately for it but it makes sense.

Season 3 of Sunderland til I Die will be an anti-climax though.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:51:26
Premier League backs clubs who want neutral venues plan to be reconsidered - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52579299

Next week, PL teams in danger of relegation announce it would be grossly unfair to play games on days with a y in the name


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:53:10
Personally I'd make the bottom 4 teams  the neutral venues. Or bottom 6 if they want 6.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 11, 2020, 19:56:14
Premier League clubs have been warned by the FA that the 2019/20 season must be decided on sporting merit - ruling out the possibility of the season being declared null and void.

Whichever way Premier League clubs vote on how to proceed, the future must include promotion and relegation, clubs were told.

This means that runaway league leaders Liverpool will almost certainly claim their first top tier title in 30 years.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, May 11, 2020, 20:06:27
First title* in 30 years


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mystical_goat on Monday, May 11, 2020, 20:08:56
I'm not sure where to start here..

 :sherlock:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, May 11, 2020, 20:16:20
Tbh, no club should be awarded a championship in these circumstances. An asterisk will have to suffice.

Nah not having that, whatever the circs, if you finish top by virtue of being the best team in the league you deserve the trophy.

Im planning my own open top bus parade round the town!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 11, 2020, 20:23:17
I think it’s a maximum of 8 allowed on a double decker, what with social distancing.

Not even enough room for the team!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 11, 2020, 20:23:20
I'll happily see Swindon Town* - I think it's a bit of red hot football 'banter' we can heartily laugh off.

Plus 'What do Liverpool, Leeds United, Coventry City and Swindon Town have in common?' (or something along those lines) is nice future pub quiz question...



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, May 11, 2020, 20:31:21
I think it’s a maximum of 8 allowed on a double decker, what with social distancing.

Not even enough room for the team!

Fuck that im making one out of a cardboard box to wear whilst walking round town singing Championes Championes ole ole ole


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 09:20:23
I think it’s a maximum of 8 allowed on a double decker, what with social distancing.

Not even enough room for the team!
If you limit it to Swindon Town contracted players who have played 15+ league games and discount loan players thats a perfect size.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 14:59:47
Think Double Decker (lovely chocolate bar btw) is 8 on the top and 8 on the bottom, using social distancing. So a consistent first xi and three subs along with RW and the Bus Driver. Sorted.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 16:14:57
BBC's Alistair Durden:

Quote
The EFL board meet again tomorrow, and are scheduled to speak to League 1 & 2 clubs on Friday. I understand clubs haven't yet been given any proposals to vote on, so a decision on whether to play or end this season may not happen this week.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 16:17:07
BBC's Alistair Durden:


Think I'll stick with the TEF rumour mill. When's it not been right?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 16:26:36
BBC's Alistair Durden:

FFS, dragging it out! I know it's important to make the right decision, make sure everyone's consulted etc but blimey


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 17:41:05
Think I'll stick with the TEF rumour mill. When's it not been right?
#metoo


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 19:15:00
Fuck that im making one out of a cardboard box to wear whilst walking round town singing Championes Championes ole ole ole

'There's only one Paul Benson'  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 19:17:06
FFS, dragging it out! I know it's important to make the right decision, make sure everyone's consulted etc but blimey

"Alistair Durden" doesn't even sound like a real name. I'm sticking with Oaksey Moonraker.


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 20:20:41
"Alistair Durden" doesn't even sound like a real name. I'm sticking with Oaksey Moonraker.
😁😆😅🤣


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 21:38:38
I’ll only believe it when somebody spots Steve Lomas/Sheena Easton and/or a manatee pulling up in the County Ground carpark with the League 2 Trophy


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 08:55:06
With Jason Roberts sat in his car too in the car park, John Terry waiting in the wings for the pictures to be taken.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 09:55:44
Will we have a closed top bus parade?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 09:59:03
Nothing new, but a good summary of the decisions to be made in the EFL.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52644313


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 11:37:43
Nothing new, but a good summary of the decisions to be made in the EFL.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52644313

Yes, a good summary of some of the issues.

Also spotted this from yesterday. Bowyer's a bit of a tool....but not one of the sharpest.  He doesn't really [want to] understand the concept of PPG, does he?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52641394


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 11:51:52
Bowyer's "we've only been in the bottom 3 for one week of the season, so don't deserve to go down" shows an ignorance of many cruel last day of the season outcomes.

Tbf our relegations have generally been nailed on well in advance.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 12:15:40
Bowyer's "we've only been in the bottom 3 for one week of the season, so don't deserve to go down" shows an ignorance of many cruel last day of the season outcomes.

Tbf our relegations have generally been nailed on well in advance.

So...from next season, we're going to record the league table after every game, & then average that over the season to decide the final standings?  Bit worrying this, but I think someone needs to explain to Gary how league tables work.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 12:17:18
Has that money left to STFC in a will been used yet? If not, I couldn’t think of a better way to spend it than on keeping the club afloat.

Also, if the club (Power) and the Trust had their funding in place to purchase the CG (£2m) couldn’t that be used instead as above?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 12:47:07
Has that money left to STFC in a will been used yet? If not, I couldn’t think of a better way to spend it than on keeping the club afloat.

Also, if the club (Power) and the Trust had their funding in place to purchase the CG (£2m) couldn’t that be used instead as above?

Football in the community i think


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 12:55:38
So...from next season, we're going to record the league table after every game, & then average that over the season to decide the final standings?  Bit worrying this, but I think someone needs to explain to Gary how league tables work.
Wrong Bowyer. This one's Lee.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 12:56:48
Has that money left to STFC in a will been used yet? If not, I couldn’t think of a better way to spend it than on keeping the club afloat.
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/nigel-eady-trusts-fantastic-contribution/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:05:47
I think the fairest solution all round is to not have any promotions/relegations at all, keep the tables as ppg in L2 and National level, promote Swindon who finish top on PPG in place of Bury making L1 back to its normal size of 24 teams again and then promote Barrow and Harrogate to L2.

Leave the rest as they were and start again, simple.

I can see nobody arguing about that........


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:06:42
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/nigel-eady-trusts-fantastic-contribution/

Is that all the cash though?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:09:30
I think the fairest solution all round is to not have any promotions/relegations at all, keep the tables as ppg in L2 and National level, promote Swindon who finish top on PPG in place of Bury making L1 back to its normal size of 24 teams again and then promote Barrow and Harrogate to L2.

Leave the rest as they were and start again, simple.

I can see nobody arguing about that........

Still as clear as mud in Barra https://www.nwemail.co.uk/sport/18441251.barrow-still-waiting-contradicting-views-league-season-will-end/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:18:40
Is that all the cash though?
He left £2m, apparently he contributed around £800k to it from that.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17434050.nigel-eady-trust-donation-helps-get-swindon-town-charity-facility-plans-moving/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:21:08
I think the fairest solution all round is to not have any promotions/relegations at all, keep the tables as ppg in L2 and National level, promote Swindon who finish top on PPG in place of Bury making L1 back to its normal size of 24 teams again and then promote Barrow and Harrogate to L2.

Leave the rest as they were and start again, simple.

I can see nobody arguing about that........
Nobody in Swindon, anyway!

I think whatever method is used or whether it’s declared null and void we’ll go up even if it’s just to replace Bury, as you say.

Mind you, if there’s a whole heap of clubs going to the wall, any league format will be entirely different to what we have now.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:23:28
I think the fairest solution all round is to not have any promotions/relegations at all, keep the tables as ppg in L2 and National level, promote Swindon who finish top on PPG in place of Bury making L1 back to its normal size of 24 teams again and then promote Barrow and Harrogate to L2.

Leave the rest as they were and start again, simple.

I can see nobody arguing about that........
Nah I can’t accept that, any scenario that see’s Southend and Bolton in league 1 next season is beyond farcical.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:26:11
He left £2m, apparently he contributed around £800k to it from that.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17434050.nigel-eady-trust-donation-helps-get-swindon-town-charity-facility-plans-moving/
Ah, didn't realise that. Cheers PV


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:26:59
Nah I can’t accept that, any scenario that see’s Southend and Bolton in league 1 next season is beyond farcical.
Completely agree. Just do PPG. Weighted if they absolutely insist, but PPG.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:27:19
He left £2m, apparently he contributed around £800k to it from that.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17434050.nigel-eady-trust-donation-helps-get-swindon-town-charity-facility-plans-moving/

They must have accumulated a fair whack in interest since it was set up, Shirley?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 13:38:34
They must have accumulated a fair whack in interest since it was set up, Shirley?
Yeah you would imagine it would, £2m over 8 years must have added a few hundred thousand onto that figure.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 14:20:50
Have you seen the interest rates over the last 8 years?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 14:22:30
You’ll get a higher rate for £2m than, say, £20,000.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 14:45:32
We need whichever system rightly awards us the title and keeps Oxford down.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 15:08:53
Have you seen the interest rates over the last 8 years?  :sherlock:

Even assuming the annual interest rate was 1% (the average saving rate has actually been higher than that for 7 out of the last 8 years), that would be total interest of £166,501.96 


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 19:50:28
Another pointless statement

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 20:46:34
Another pointless statement

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update

They sound like politicians always swerving the answer


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 20:59:04
So training put back a week apart from kicking the can down the road instead of a ball.

Over to the PL to resolve their plan if their season doesn't finish. This is gonna drag on and on.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 21:53:09
Just for info, most of the County Ground car park is now fenced off and cannot be accessed as it's going to be used as a coronavirus testing station.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 22:08:56
only testing 14th-17th may.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 22:30:47
They sound like politicians always swerving the answer

tbf I suspect they're working their nuts off in the background to try and find a resolution but can't get the clubs to agree on any compromise, they'll be fighting like 71 rats in a sack


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 09:32:31
tbf I suspect they're working their nuts off in the background to try and find a resolution but can't get the clubs to agree on any compromise, they'll be fighting like 71 rats in a sack
It will of course be this, it is a really difficult situation, which excuding actually finishing the league fully playing out everygame in front of a normal attendance then there will always leave some unhappy parties.

Its time they though that they just decide one way or the other and everybody has to accept the outcome so that football can finally start to move on again.

Finish it, have weighted PPG (or any other soultion they choose), get the lower divisions sorted so the players and clubs can plan for next season as they would have been at this stage anyway in the year.

It should be like the referees decision in a match, there is no questioning, no legal disputes, no challenges to the decision.

Every club sign that they will accept the outcome PRIOR to the actual announcement, whichever way they decide to go.

End this now one way or the other.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 09:53:55
It will of course be this, it is a really difficult situation, which excuding actually finishing the league fully playing out everygame in front of a normal attendance then there will always leave some unhappy parties.

Its time they though that they just decide one way or the other and everybody has to accept the outcome so that football can finally start to move on again.

Finish it, have weighted PPG (or any other soultion they choose), get the lower divisions sorted so the players and clubs can plan for next season as they would have been at this stage anyway in the year.

It should be like the referees decision in a match, there is no questioning, no legal disputes, no challenges to the decision.

Every club sign that they will accept the outcome PRIOR to the actual announcement, whichever way they decide to go.

End this now one way or the other.

There may be plenty of time to plan for next season, particularly as it is not outside the realms of possibility that there will be no football in 2020.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 10:26:15

Its time they though that they just decide one way or the other and everybody has to accept the outcome so that football can finally start to move on again.

Finish it, have weighted PPG (or any other soultion they choose), get the lower divisions sorted so the players and clubs can plan for next season as they would have been at this stage anyway in the year.

It should be like the referees decision in a match, there is no questioning, no legal disputes, no challenges to the decision.

Every club sign that they will accept the outcome PRIOR to the actual announcement, whichever way they decide to go.

End this now one way or the other.

Situation really not being helped by people like the Peterborough Chairman wading in waving his dick around and suggesting he will sue left right and centre if it doesn't suit his club.

Like any such thing where money is involved a lot will depend on what the fine print of various contracts, I imagine the FL have had lawyers going through everything they have with the clubs to minimise risk.

I imagine they are hardly destitute, but likewise being sued by up to 72 clubs is something that will concern the FL.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 10:40:34
tbf I suspect they're working their nuts off in the background to try and find a resolution but can't get the clubs to agree on any compromise, they'll be fighting like 71 rats in a sack

Fair point but then they will have to make the decision themselves as time is ticking on


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 11:01:04
Classic case of not being able to please everybody.

Top Teams - Happy enough..going up..
Mid Table - Happy enough...release players..move on..
Bottom - Unhappy as they all believe they will go on an nine match unbeaten run and escape.
Play offs - A right pisser for those hovering outside as like the bottom they all believe in unbeaten runs..


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 11:11:50
Classic case of not being able to please everybody.

Top Teams - Happy enough..going up..
Mid Table - Happy enough...release players..move on..
Bottom - Unhappy as they all believe they will go on an nine match unbeaten run and escape.
Play offs - A right pisser for those hovering outside as like the bottom they all believe in unbeaten runs..
Yep, there's no perfect answer but it's going to a case of "least worst solution". Apologies if someone's already mentioned this but listening  to the MNC pod last night, they reported that the FA have vetoed either voiding the Premiership season or concluding it without relegation. That was just the Premiership but you'd assume they'd take the same stance with the Football League as well.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 11:45:03
Thought we were getting announced as champions today? You fuckers haven't been letting me down?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 12:52:10
Thought we were getting announced as champions today? You fuckers haven't been letting me down?
... since at least 2002


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 13:10:38
Thought we were getting announced as champions today? You fuckers haven't been letting me down?
Who said it would be today?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 13:20:51
This was suggested on the other thread.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 13:30:28
Who said it would be today?
Wellens said on the Radio Wilts phone in on Monday he was expecting an announcement about how the league would be concluded today or tomorrow


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 13:36:20
Oh I didn't listen to that at all and I never noticed in the other thread anyone mention about today but I haven't been paying much attention lately TBH. Ta.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 17:13:28
Looks likee it could be squeaky bum time for the fairytale.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11987566/relegation-victims-if-points-per-game-decided-premier-league-table


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 18:03:47
Every side finds its level in the long run. You just know that, once they drop out of the Prem, they'll be shuttling between L1 & L2 before long.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: [email protected] on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 18:45:07
If you want to get really scientific on things:  https://blogs.reading.ac.uk/econscorecast/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 19:25:48
League One shitstorm begins...

https://twitter.com/DMAC102/status/1260994668331962375?s=19


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 19:27:06
That bloke cant help himself can he


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 19:33:00
League One shitstorm begins...

https://twitter.com/DMAC102/status/1260994668331962375?s=19

Surprised at oxfords view. Wouldn’t they go up with PPG?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 19:36:26
Surprised at oxfords view. Wouldn’t they go up with PPG?

Depends if it is weighted or not. If its straight PPG Wycombe go above them


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 19:38:42
Straight PPG please.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 19:52:54
Am I right in thinking that the Championship, L1 and L2 can finish their seasons independently of each other.

So we can ppg - if voted for - and say bollocks to how the others sort themselves out.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: wokinghamred on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 20:00:07
Weighted PPG would be tough on Portsmouth.
They will slip from 4th to 7th and out of the playoffs!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 14, 2020, 21:09:55
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Am I right in thinking that the Championship, L1 and L2 can finish their seasons independently of each other.

So we can ppg - if voted for - and say bollocks to how the others sort themselves out.

Even if so, surely we have to agree on the basics. Namely that there will be promotions and relegations


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, May 15, 2020, 07:08:17
Surprised at oxfords view. Wouldn’t they go up with PPG?
They probably want whatever outcome will give them a game against their obsession.
I've heard they have already sold out their next home against us, even though they don't know when it will be.
They held a secret meeting to distribute tickets after one of their supporters' club's Aunt Sally matches.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 15, 2020, 08:21:32
Even if so, surely we have to agree on the basics. Namely that there will be promotions and relegations

It's been widely accepted that it's 'all about money' so consistency each divisions final outcome seems very much off the radar at the moment.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 15, 2020, 08:47:54
If you want to get really scientific on things:  https://blogs.reading.ac.uk/econscorecast/

Are there any predictions for the championship


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 15, 2020, 08:58:12
Nixon reckons it will cost 5m to test the Championship players. Efl paying for that


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 15, 2020, 09:02:49
Nixon reckons it will cost 5m to test the Championship players. Efl paying for that

Still be nice to see how ppg predicts the final table


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 15, 2020, 09:07:41
They'd surely have to be isolated for days before every game. How long do the rest results take to come through?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 15, 2020, 09:09:29
We may find out more today!

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18451659.swindon-town-find-whether-league-two-season-will-abandoned-crunch-efl-conference-call/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bleko89 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 10:37:33
Nixon reckons it will cost 5m to test the Championship players. Efl paying for that

If what I have seen is true, similar costs in L1 and L2 but EFL won't be footing the bill for those two leagues


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 10:48:07
Half the clubs have had their pitches dug up. This MacAnthony bollocks isn’t about restarting the league, it’s about posturing to make sure they are in the play offs after ppg.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 10:52:23
Half the clubs have had their pitches dug up. This MacAnthony bollocks isn’t about restarting the league, it’s about posturing to make sure they are in the play offs after ppg.
Apparently there are 6 clubs that want the season finished, Posh, Pompey, Fleetwood, Wycombe, Ipswich and Sunderland.

A cursory glance at the table show they have the most to lose out in L1 financially. Even the clubs nearer the bottom with threat of relegation aren't making the same noises.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 10:55:12
What he wants now, though, is for those clubs in L1 who do not want to carry on, forfeiting the points.

A cursory look at Posh’s remaining fixtures sees them only playing Coventry and Sunderland as ‘tricky’ games.

Quelle surpris!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:10:31
Apparently there are 6 clubs that want the season finished, Posh, Pompey, Fleetwood, Wycombe, Ipswich and Sunderland.

A cursory glance at the table show they have the most to lose out in L1 financially. Even the clubs nearer the bottom with threat of relegation aren't making the same noises.
Except for Bowyer at Charlton. Was listening to an interview this morning where he explained his "thinking" and it's good to see he's lost none of the charm and intelligence that marked him out during his playing career


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:11:53
Salary cap proposals to be sent to owners by Monday.

I think GP can forget his last big pay day.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:11:53
I don't think it will be a case of who "shouts the loudest" so I hope the rest of the league offer them no support at all.

No matter what though several teams will be unhappy with the decision whatever happens, BCD, PPG, waiting to finish the season later in the year. They will never please them all.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:15:35
Except for Bowyer at Charlton. Was listening to an interview this morning where he explained his "thinking" and it's good to see he's lost none of the charm and intelligence that marked him out during his playing career

He said it would be a disgrace as Charlton hadn't been in the bottom 3 all season and it was only because they lost their last game before lockdown against Middleborough that they are now in the relegation zone by a point. Of course in their last 9 games they would have been good enough to get enough points to stay up according to Bowyer.

He also said it would be a disgrace if Bournemouth got relegated by 1 goal if the league does get abandoned. What does it matter if its 1 goal or 50 points? Just because its a small margin doesn't mean you haven't been good enough.

I just hope that when a decision is taken that clubs respect it and we don't see legal challenges all over the place.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:19:10
Except for Bowyer at Charlton. Was listening to an interview this morning where he explained his "thinking" and it's good to see he's lost none of the charm and intelligence that marked him out during his playing career
I was on about L1 as thats all they spoke about on BBC earlier mate, I saw he was moaning in the Championship but I have a feeling that league will play BCD. Something that I don't think will happen in L1 and L2, unsurprisingly they didn't bother asking L2 clubs to comment.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:21:27
He also said it would be a disgrace if Bournemouth got relegated by 1 goal if the league does get abandoned. What does it matter if its 1 goal or 50 points? Just because its a small margin doesn't mean you haven't been good enough.
Absolutely its fine margins and often a single goal is the tipping point.

I just hope that when a decision is taken that clubs respect it and we don't see legal challenges all over the place.
Thats why I suggested yesterday that all clubs sign a "no challenge agreement" that they will go with whatever the EFL/FA decide prior to the announcement.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:33:22
I was on about L1 as thats all they spoke about on BBC earlier mate, I saw he was moaning in the Championship but I have a feeling that league will play BCD.
Doh! It would help if I paid attention before replying wouldn't it? :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:33:55
Absolutely its fine margins and often a single goal is the tipping point.

Thats why I suggested yesterday that all clubs sign a "no challenge agreement" that they will go with whatever the EFL/FA decide prior to the announcement.

Agree with that PV, makes perfect sense that something like that is put in place.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:38:51
Agree with that PV, makes perfect sense that something like that is put in place.
I think its the best way, you don't question a referee during a game without being sent off and no longer taking part, the same could apply here. Their decision is final with no comebacks.

Doh! It would help if I paid attention before replying wouldn't it? :)
Its OK we are all guilty of that at times!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:42:06
If the season is decided by ppg then there needs something legally put in place in case the same thing happens again and similar to the Duckworth-Lewis-Stern in cricket which at the start of play everyone knows the rules


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:45:44
Salary cap proposals to be sent to owners by Monday.

I think GP can forget his last big pay day.

Where have you seen this too Aud?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:46:52
Where have you seen this too Aud?

https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/uk-sports/2020/05/15/salary-cap-proposals-to-be-sent-to-league-one-and-two-clubs-by-monday/

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11988727/league-one-and-league-two-clubs-to-receive-salary-cap-proposals-by-monday


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:49:33
If the season is decided by ppg then there needs something legally put in place in case the same thing happens again and similar to the Duckworth-Lewis-Stern in cricket which at the start of play everyone knows the rules
Let's hope any lawyers STFC uses at any time are better than those in 1990.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 15, 2020, 11:51:06
Let's hope any lawyers STFC uses at any time are better than those in 1990.

At least Graham Kelly isn't around


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:04:43
At least Graham Kelly isn't around
Apparently Doug Ellis had the deciding vote and voted against Swindon. Hes no longer around too!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:11:36
https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/uk-sports/2020/05/15/salary-cap-proposals-to-be-sent-to-league-one-and-two-clubs-by-monday/

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11988727/league-one-and-league-two-clubs-to-receive-salary-cap-proposals-by-monday

Thanks mate.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:12:46
Welcome my friend, it was only announced a couple of hours ago and not made much news anywhere yet.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:00:06
Not sure what to make of a flat salary cap. I think linking it to turnover is the only fair way to do it, but a flat one would probably work to our advantage in league 1


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:04:13
I don't think a flat cap is the right way either.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:09:23
Not sure what to make of a flat salary cap. I think linking it to turnover is the only fair way to do it, but a flat one would probably work to our advantage in league 1
I agree I think in L1 we could then compete, in L2 we would struggle with our current budget funding.

Watch Forest Green and Salford sink quickly if faced with a wage cap of just £2m especially when Rooney at Salfords wage alone is £250k and at FGR Christian Doige was on almost double that figure before his transfer in the Summer going by last seasons figures.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:10:15
Rooney got sold i think


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:16:12
No decision reached with regards to League 1

Meeting again next week to try again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52679614



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:17:53
Rooney got sold i think

He's at Solihull Moors https://www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/solihull-moors-land-adam-rooney-signing-2521073.html


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:23:37
He's at Solihull Moors https://www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/solihull-moors-land-adam-rooney-signing-2521073.html
Blimey, they must have some cash behind them. He won't be on buttons wages and they must have known when they signed him we were unlikely to complete this season so they're committed to paying him a (presumably) decent wedge for a good chunk of time when they have no income and he won't be playing


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:32:36
Rooney was just an example of their wages as both the players I mentioned are no longer in L2 but both have been replaced with equally expensive replacements, Towell, Armstrong and Darren Gibson said to be on comparable wages when they all signed.

I guess they will still be able to afford them but they will have to rely on freebie loans from Man Utd etc to make up the balance of the team.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:36:21
No decision reached with regards to League 1

Meeting again next week to try again.

League 2 discussions continue, although I don't really see the point unless you can get consistency between all FL leagues?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:53:52
Dan Roan
@danroan
Hearing that League 2 clubs have agreed to cancel remainder of season, & settle final table via a weighted points-per-game system with 2-legged play-off semi-finals and then a final.
Clubs can’t afford Covid19 tests and for players to come off furlough. Needs ratifying by board.





Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:54:06
Dan Roan:

Hearing that League 2 clubs have agreed to cancel remainder of season, & settle final table via a weighted points-per-game system with 2-legged play-off semi-finals and then a final.
Clubs can’t afford Covid19 tests and for players to come off furlough. Needs ratifying by board.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:54:08
Hearing that League 2 clubs have agreed to cancel remainder of season, & settle final table via a weighted points-per-game system with 2-legged play-off semi-finals and then a final.
Clubs can’t afford Covid19 tests and for players to come off furlough. Needs ratifying by board.

Dan Roan on Twitter


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:54:45
Championeeees


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:56:13
Suspect this will be largely academic for us, but the League have released the protocols for a return to training, interesting read

https://trainingground.guru/articles/return-to-training-protocols-uncovered

Andy Holt, the owner of Accrington, has said the testing regime would cost £140k per club to complete the season. That alone will rule out a return to playing in Leagues 1 and 2


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 15, 2020, 13:57:19
Some bloke called Dan Roan keeps repeating himself

Fucking busybody


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:07:32
Being suggested that the agreement to finish with weighted PPG was unanimous in League 2. Will also allow the National League to be sorted.

Delighted looks like we are going up as champions, but a bit peeved we will miss a Barrow Swindon game!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:12:19
Cheltenham fans not happy

Christian Kostiuk
@Kozzy78
·
2m
Pathetic that the @EFL
 are allowing Play Offs, in League 2.
Top 4 on PPG average should have gone up... @CTFCofficial
 shafted here...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:18:14
Cheltenham fans not happy

Christian Kostiuk
@Kozzy78
·
2m
Pathetic that the @EFL
 are allowing Play Offs, in League 2.
Top 4 on PPG average should have gone up... @CTFCofficial
 shafted here...

His next tweet was probably
"Swindon champions yeesss, I love my club! #powerout"


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: kirky69 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:18:29
Cheltenham fans not happy

Christian Kostiuk
@Kozzy78
·
2m
Pathetic that the @EFL
 are allowing Play Offs, in League 2.
Top 4 on PPG average should have gone up... @CTFCofficial
 shafted here...

Ha f------ ha. True colours shown in all their glory. Personally want to see Exeter up via play-offs, better side imo.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:26:19
Ha f------ ha. True colours shown in all their glory. Personally want to see Exeter up via play-offs, better side imo.

Agreed.

Hurry up and put us out of our misery FFS!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:26:30
It’s only what the clubs have voted for - still needs to be ratified by the FA.

If league one / championship decide differently, would the Fa and EFL be happy for inconsistent approaches??


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:30:52
Now on BBC Football too: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52679614

Quote from: BBC
League Two's season has been brought to an early conclusion following discussions between clubs and the English Football League.

The final table will be decided using a points-per-game method, but promotion and relegation has yet to be finalised.

There are still plans for the play-offs to take place as usual, with two-legged semi-finals and then a final.

Meanwhile, teams in League One will have to meet again on Monday after failing to come to an agreement.

On Thursday, six third-tier clubs had said they were determined to complete their remaining fixtures.

More to follow.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:31:13
FA will probably relegate us out of the league & make us pay for their zoom subscription


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:32:35
Personally want to see Exeter up via play-offs, better side imo.
Completely agree, on both counts. And they're not Cheltenham


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:33:55
Hearing Macclesfield May have a further points deduction


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:41:22
Hearing Macclesfield May have a further points deduction

Is that Maggies brother?  ;)

More seriously, is there any indication as to how the league plans to sort out the mess left after Bury's departure?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 15, 2020, 14:52:59
Some bloke called Dan Roan keeps repeating himself

Fucking busybody

Probably shagging Karen from FB. Who now usurps worried from Tunbridgewells.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: welshred on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:02:24
I know its not official yet but has there ever been a more underwhelming way to win the Championship?!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:03:41
Who really cares? We’ve been theist team virtually all season. Thoroughly deserved.

Thinking on how to celebrate.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: welshred on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:05:04
Who really cares? We’ve been theist team virtually all season. Thoroughly deserved.

Thinking on how to celebrate.

Oh I totally agree. Thoroughly deserved to go up as champions - just feel a bit for the players and fans who don't get that final whistle moment and pitch parade.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:09:38
Who really cares? We’ve been theist team virtually all season. Thoroughly deserved.


Well, if we had god on our side...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:11:15
I know its not official yet but has there ever been a more underwhelming way to win the Championship?!

Yeah. Being fucking played off the park, losing and still being promoted...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:14:12
Who really cares? We’ve been theist team virtually all season. Thoroughly deserved.

Thinking on how to celebrate.

Even though it's not written in stone. I'm getting messy tonight. To be fair though I would have anyway.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:15:02
Well, if we had god on our side...
Sorry! Been on the beer/gin this afternoon


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:16:35
Richie Wellens
@RichieWe11ens
·
35m
Even more good news today
🥳
great day


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:18:07
What’s the other good news then


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:18:34
Can we round Doyle's goal tally up to 40?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:18:54
What’s the other good news then

I assume that his lad signed pro terms with Man U


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:24:24
Oh I totally agree. Thoroughly deserved to go up as champions - just feel a bit for the players and fans who don't get that final whistle moment and pitch parade.
It does feel quite an anticlimax. But better go up as champions even in this weird way than having the season voided which was being mooted by some. Can't even really celebrate even this until it's confirmed/ratified by the League and the FA, and presumably that will have to wait till League One sort themselves out.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:28:53
From that BBC

'It is understood League Two clubs were in collective agreement that current bottom club, Stevenage, should not be relegated.

Owner Phil Wallace told BBC Sport: “My preference is to finish the league so we have the opportunity to play our way out of trouble.

“We have 10 games to play and are three points behind, with a game in hand, why should I think it was not possible to get out of it?

“The League Two clubs cannot decide this. We can only tell the EFL of their indicative position but that is the collective view.

“It would cost us £140,000 for the tests, we would have to bring players out of furlough and comply with a 47-page health and safety document regarding sterilisation of stadiums etc.

“I don’t know what this would mean for the National League.”'


Could they not just bring up Basra and 1 other to replace Macc and Bury to get us back to 92?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:30:28
What’s the other good news then

His son signed for Man U. Someone asked him if we had any chance of a signing him on loan and he replied 'depends what league we are in'.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RedRag on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:34:02
I think a practical unfairness of playing on might have been that whilst some clubs would have kept players (and fitness) others would be unable to do so and especially for behind closed doors, meaningless games.  Cheltenham aside, we might have benefited from a lack of 6 pointers.

 :pint:

Like others, wd luv to see Exeter up with us


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:39:05
Payers seem to think we have won the title....

https://twitter.com/eoindoyle88/status/1261296001056473089?s=20
https://twitter.com/broadbent_tom/status/1261299511143653376?s=20
And the wives
https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoyle/status/1261299547713736704?s=20


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:52:58
Yes, and this is now the main feature on the BBC sport website...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:55:39
Well now that's sorted out maybe we can get down to the serious business. When's next season's kit out?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 15, 2020, 15:56:34
Well now that's sorted out maybe we can get down to the serious business. When's next season's kit out?

November


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:02:57
Well now that's sorted out maybe we can get down to the serious business. When's next season's kit out?

We still with Puma, I imagine that Imagine (see what I did there!) will have taken quite a hit from this, how long is our contract with them, they have sponsored us for quite a while now haven't they.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:08:36
Who really cares? We’ve been theist team virtually all season. Thoroughly deserved.

Thinking on how to celebrate.
Bucketloads of Mythos.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:13:57
Bucketloads of Mythos.
I only found out yesterday that Mythos is, in fact, rebranded Carlsberg Export!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:20:50
Has anyone ever won the league after finishing second before?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:22:50
I'm sure there have been a few scandals over the yearsthat have resulted in championships getting passed to the runner-up.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:23:26
So, in L1 the6 are going for top 2 promoted followed by play offs with the 4 clubs decided by unweighted ppg.

This would mean Piss Stains v Pompey and Posh missing out completely.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:24:51
I only found out yesterday that Mythos is, in fact, rebranded Carlsberg Export!
Well, that will make it taste better next time I'm over.   Quite partial to a bit of Carlsberg Export in an 'iced glass'.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:37:57
There should be no celebrations anyway even if it had been won on the pitch.

Promotion is just a correction to the direction Mr "Judge me in 5 years" took us in.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:38:15
What if L1 clubs end up going for no relegations?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:39:06
What if L1 clubs end up going for no relegations?

The EFL would have to approve that, just like they have to approve the preferences of L2 clubs. Not sure they would but even if they do, there's an empty spot we could fill :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:40:39
there's an empty spot we could fill :D

Ah, yes. Nowt for us to worry about then.

*touches wood*


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:46:38
There should be no celebrations anyway even if it had been won on the pitch.

Promotion is just a correction to the direction Mr "Judge me in 5 years" took us in.


Best football for years. Club on the up. Top Manager.

Well worth it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:48:55
Loving the fact Port Vale miss out on the play-offs as well, they were a right bunch of pricks in both games.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:49:41
I only found out yesterday that Mythos is, in fact, rebranded Carlsberg Export!

I went to Corfu late 80's and our fav bar was stocked with most of our favourite lagers from Blighty. Only thing was everyone went via its own tube to a barrel of something that didn't taste dissimilar to dettol


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:51:08
Has anyone ever won the league after finishing second before?

That's another exclusive we have then along with beaten the other 91 and and that fish thing then.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:51:24
Best football for years. Club on the up. Top Manager.

Well worth it.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQMeB-Tv8MT1Dy1mcfVHVgWuYdtfi8ShuAYHdkkv4Gj_epQLMwC&usqp=CAU)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:51:46
Loving the fact Port Vale miss out on the play-offs as well, they were a right bunch of pricks in both games.
The man speaks the truth.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:51:52
Best football for years. Club on the up. Top Manager.

Well worth it.
Maybe Power should release a song "Up where we were".


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:53:14
So what do we do now? I'm going to pretend I'm on an open top bus thingy.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:57:25
Make one out of a cardboard box and jolly walk round town.

With your trousers on though unlike your escapade a few years back :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 15, 2020, 16:57:51
Hopefully league 1 follows the same way and we can have Oxford bottle the play-offs and the meltdown from the Peterborough owner from not even being in them. Would be a very happy ending to the season then....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 15, 2020, 17:20:01
When is the EFL Board meeting where they consider whether to accept L2's 'preferred direction of travel'?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 15, 2020, 17:25:54
When is the EFL Board meeting where they consider whether to accept L2's 'preferred direction of travel'?

Early next week as it's all in line with of Wellens suggested during the phone-in.

I don't think they'll need to wait for L1 until the might do anyway.

I read somewhere that Bristol Rovers have started digging up their pitch for post-season so they'll be sweating...!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 17:34:51

I read somewhere that Bristol Rovers have started digging up their pitch for post-season so they'll be sweating...!

It'll still be more playable than Newport's


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, May 15, 2020, 17:48:43
Doyle's reply to Marley on Twitter  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Oh and Valid Pint. Shit name. Shit Troll. Mods can we add that under their moniker, like Yellow Troll with Sir Dread Ken?

#OffForABeer


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 15, 2020, 17:53:43
Has anyone ever won the league after finishing second before?
A team got promoted once, after losing a Play Off Final.  If that can be allowed to happen, a Championship by finishing 2nd is fine by me.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, May 15, 2020, 18:01:23
I think whoever finished second to juventus in the early 00’s, to answer my own question


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 15, 2020, 18:03:56
I think whoever finished second to juventus in the early 00’s, to answer my own question

Juventus still refuse to accept that those Championships aren't theirs in all official publications. So maybe we will see Crewe printing "Champions 2019/20" on their shirts in protest?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RedRag on Friday, May 15, 2020, 18:25:23
Going up as fucking champions!

Not quite the same as singing (bellowing?) it at the County but it'll do for today :pint:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, May 15, 2020, 18:30:48
Ah, yes. Nowt for us to worry about then.

*touches cloth*

Fixed


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, May 15, 2020, 18:54:03
Juventus still refuse to accept that those Championships aren't theirs in all official publications. So maybe we will see Crewe printing "Champions 2019/20" on their shirts in protest?

Doubt they will.  But if they do, screw them.  They'll be the only club recognising it, and it won't be official.  Won't care.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 15, 2020, 19:08:07
Finishing standings on PPG puts us top, that is how the league is decided. Doubt Crewe are that thick to try and pull that off.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 15, 2020, 20:18:59
 :pint:
Going up as fucking champions!

Not quite the same as singing (bellowing?) it at the County but it'll do for today


Big spending Mansfield & Salford must be pi*sed off and then there's Bradford!! :pint: :pint: :pint: :pint:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 15, 2020, 20:21:35

Big spending Mansfield & Salford must be pi*sed off and then there's Bradford!! :pint: :pint: :pint:
Bradford twitter accounts this evening are so bitter they're making lemons jealous


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 15, 2020, 20:30:45
Bradford twitter accounts this evening are so bitter they're making lemons jealous

I bet their forum is exploding just like it did over the Doyle saga :zzz:


Title: Re: So, What Happens .
Post by: china red on Friday, May 15, 2020, 20:53:04
Has it been confirmed?



Title: Re: So, What Happens .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 15, 2020, 20:58:11
Has it been confirmed?



Nope.


Title: Re: So, What Happens .
Post by: china red on Friday, May 15, 2020, 21:11:43
Nope.

I’ll celebrate once confirmed, this is Swindon after all.  Knowing us we’ll some now end up in National league


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Mother Brown on Friday, May 15, 2020, 21:27:32
Its gone a bit quiet


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, May 15, 2020, 22:02:12
It all depends on L1 and above. We've decided (L2) and the others should now follow (or not) Someone had to put a marker down.

We will win the league but might not go up.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 15, 2020, 22:19:26
I only found out yesterday that Mythos is, in fact, rebranded Carlsberg Export!

Indeed it is. Cyprus have both as well as Keo (hate that stuff) and remarkably they taste so so similar.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 04:45:51
It all depends on L1 and above. We've decided (L2) and the others should now follow (or not) Someone had to put a marker down.

We will win the league but might not go up.
L1 needs an extra club with Bury’s demise. That slot will be filled by the Champions of L2 (us). Our space in L2 will be filled by Barrow.

So even if everything goes to shit re relegation/promotion from the leagues above, we’ll still go up.

Some good whining and whinging by those yellow fuckers, too. Already on about the 6 points they’ll get next season if they fuck up the POs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 06:49:56
Some jolly chaps might nip along to their play-off games with some red smokebombs


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 07:37:34
See port vale in 8th voted to end the season on ppg, knowing it would mean they miss the play offs. Good of them


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 08:09:38
See port vale in 8th voted to end the season on ppg, knowing it would mean they miss the play offs. Good of them
Most of league 2 seems to have acted very grown up, even the stevenage chairman was quite pragmatic about things, none of the melodramatic dick waving which seems to characterise L1.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 08:25:30
Most of league 2 seems to have acted very grown up, even the stevenage chairman was quite pragmatic about things, none of the melodramatic dick waving which seems to characterise L1.

I agree.  But to a degree that's reflection of the very tight promotion race in League 1.  We've been among a clutch of stand out sides in League 2 this season, so lots less to argue over.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 08:38:36
See port vale in 8th voted to end the season on ppg, knowing it would mean they miss the play offs. Good of them

Sure she's been on elsewhere but randomly heard her on the Today program this morning (8.30ish if anybody wants to rewind). But yeah. Very pragmatic and sensible.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 08:48:48
I’m not sure their previous owner Norman Smurthwaite would have acted the same somehow. The big fat mess of a man.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 09:07:32
Sure she's been on elsewhere but randomly heard her on the Today program this morning (8.30ish if anybody wants to rewind). But yeah. Very pragmatic and sensible.

Here you go:

League Two: Port Vale Chair left 'Shaking' after Voting to End Season (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52680382)

Lots of respect for this.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 09:11:57
To be blunt, the huge majority of clubs in our division could not carry on financially. Wasn't it 140,000 just to do the testing?

Like Port Vale, I imagine we would have been the same in their position having to face up to the fact we couldn't afford to play games behind closed doors.

The huge economic burden is bad enough at the best of times let alone when you're all coughing on each other.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 09:19:13
I think the BBC mentioned that Parry relayed to L1 and L2 clubs that it would cost £400,000 to finish the 9 or 10 final games of 2019-20.

Clubs like Port Vale can't bluff like, say, Dale Vince who could use his wealth to see out season which would probably be a pointless endeavour for him. But he can make noise.

There are some L1 clubs who can afford the cost or bluff to the point that they can kick up a stink.

As I've said from the start. There will be outrage, threats of legal action and then the season will end accordingly.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 09:37:27
Thought we were getting announced as champions today? You fuckers haven't been letting me down?
Well it was only a day late ;) not bad in the whole scheme of things.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 09:39:44
Well it was only a day late ;) not bad in the whole scheme of things.

Matey on the till in the corner shop near me told me it was gonna be Friday not Thursday. I now know where to get all my rumours.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 09:56:24
Sorry for all the seperate quotes I haven't been on the TEF since this was announced so catching up now.

Hearing Macclesfield May have a further points deduction
Any points reduction now should be carried over to next season IMO, any that have been dished out since the league stopped, the excuse the pun, its pointless to deduct them points when there is no relegation this season.

Well, if we had god on our side...
Sometimes slips of the finger are great! oo err missus!

Has anyone ever won the league after finishing second before?
I was thinking exactly the same thing, trivia question for the future. Even if Juventus did it in Italy then we can say "In England*".

Best football for years. Club on the up. Top Manager.

Well worth it.
This.

Loving the fact Port Vale miss out on the play-offs as well, they were a right bunch of pricks in both games.
Their owner Carol Shanahan was on BBC news this morning and was very humble in saying that her team after PPG fell just outside the play offs but was willing to accept her sadness for the good of L2, she was quite upset but admitted it was the fairest solution.




Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 09:56:55
Matey on the till in the corner shop near me told me it was gonna be Friday not Thursday. I now know where to get all my rumours.
Yes but theres a guy works down the chip shop swears heas Elvis.... :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 09:57:53
The big fat mess of a man.
You called? :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:05:54
You called? :D

I don’t remember saying where is the match day legend! ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:06:32
Sorry for all the seperate quotes I haven't been on the TEF since this was announced so catching up now.
Any points reduction now should be carried over to next season IMO, any that have been dished out since the league stopped, the excuse the pun, its pointless to deduct them points when there is no relegation this season.
Sometimes slips of the finger are great! oo err missus!
I was thinking exactly the same thing, trivia question for the future. Even if Juventus did it in Italy then we can say "In England*".
This.
Their owner Carol Shanahan was on BBC news this morning and was very humble in saying that her team after PPG fell just outside the play offs but was willing to accept her sadness for the good of L2, she was quite upset but admitted it was the fairest solution.




At the end of the day clubs have to take a long term pragmatic approach. The longer indecision drags on the likelyhood more clubs will follow Bury, before the new season starts, whenever that is.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:14:51
I don’t remember saying where is the match day legend!* ;)
*content and results may vary from week to week!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:15:27
At the end of the day clubs have to take a long term pragmatic approach. The longer indecision drags on the likelyhood more clubs will follow Bury, before the new season starts, whenever that is.
I agree but tell that to the "breakaway 6" in League 1!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:19:03
I don’t remember saying where is the match day legend! ;)
Talking of matchdays, interesting to see not many posts from matchday moaners like Stef Troll, Newmarket Red and Processed Beats when things are going well and we win things  :hmmm:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 11:15:06
Anyone know where I can get a bespoke flag from?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 11:17:19
I agree but tell that to the "breakaway 6" in League 1!

People have long memories in football, they’ll do well to consider that....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 11:19:49
People have long memories in football, they’ll do well to consider that....
Absolutely, although the Posh chairman doesn't seem to give a fuck about anyone else or anything.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 12:04:27
Absolutely, although the Posh chairman doesn't seem to give a fuck about anyone else or anything.

And 71 clubs who feel the same about him...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 12:12:45
I used to think McAnthony (sp?) was alright. I've gone right off him now though.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 13:01:57
Anyone know where I can get a bespoke flag from?

These people look good.

https://www.footballflags.co.uk/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 13:13:39
League Two: How did your Club React to the Season being Cancelled Early? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52689622)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 13:23:23
These people look good.

https://www.footballflags.co.uk/
They look the dogs. Ta.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 13:34:11
Town can keep the advance money I paid for home games. But what about my Walsall away ticket? If I claim a refund will I be penalising Town or Walsall?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 13:36:12
Their owner Carol Shanahan was on BBC news this morning and was very humble in saying that her team after PPG fell just outside the play offs but was willing to accept her sadness for the good of L2, she was quite upset but admitted it was the fairest solution.
It's not really because she's a woman, I don't think, but sometimes they seem a lot more grown up and achieve much more by cutting out the silly dick waving.  

Respect to Vale for facing reality.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 13:37:27
Town can keep the advance money I paid for home games. But what about my Walsall away ticket? If I claim a refund will I be penalising Town or Walsall?
You won’t be penalising anybody. But your ticket money goes to Walsall.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 13:38:09
Call me a cynic, but I suspect Vale's decision was more a financial one.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 13:41:28
No doubt. The very same reason MacAnthony got a kicking in L1


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 14:13:22
Town can keep the advance money I paid for home games. But what about my Walsall away ticket? If I claim a refund will I be penalising Town or Walsall?
I’ll be getting a refund on my Walsall, Oldham & Mansfield tickets as they are away tickets and never in the STFC budget, won’t bother with the home tickets I bought for the other half as STFC would have budgeted for that and need it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 14:23:25
It's weird watching this dortmund game. The lack of atmosphere....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 14:30:52
I'm still waiting for Carolyn Radford to do press release, a la smouldering Vogue style, to announce Mansfield Town's stance (pun intended) on the situation. Surprised there hasn't been a big promo on Twitter of her draped over a car, parked outside a care home in just a scarf whilst rubbing her tits.

Unless I missed it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 14:33:53
I spent a little bit of time reading the views of other fans and I can understand some of the frustrations fully but I've read a few that seem to blame Swindon, Crewe and Plymouth for a near unanimous decision made by 24 clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 14:38:42
I spent a little bit of time reading the views of other fans and I can understand some of the frustrations fully but I've read a few that seem to blame Swindon, Crewe and Plymouth for a near unanimous decision made by 24 clubs.

Smacks of 48 v 52 doesn’t it, Weird shit this voting malarkey.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 14:44:51
Sat watching BD v Schalke, with my 16 YO son, my god he has grown so much since I last saw him about seven weeks ago. Almost forgot what he looked like.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 14:49:14
It's weird watching this dortmund game. The lack of atmosphere....

I like the sound of the goal rattling though.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 15:31:29
BCD and Steve McManaman on commentary is a bad bad mix


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 15:35:53
BCD and Steve McManaman on commentary is a bad bad mix
Watching the energy drink game instead for that very reason. Plus Schalke are terrible especially their keeper.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 17:06:26
I like the sound of the goal rattling though.
Yeah, although I kept thinking they'd missed, sounded like they'd hit the bar or post all the time. Quite enjoyed watching it, despite the odd atmosphere but Schalke are a bit Schit aren't they?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 17:07:41
Watching the energy drink game instead for that very reason. Plus Schalke are terrible especially their keeper.
Apparently he's their Will Henry. Their 1st choice keeper is off to Bayern so has been dropped for "political" reasons, they haven't got a replacement in yet so this lad was a bit of a stand in. But he was a bit rabbit in headlights


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 17:10:20
They need a BFG!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 17:27:56
Monchengladbach 2-0 up 9 mins in


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 17:48:48
Shit.
Bate 2-0 Slutsk after 24 mins in top of the table Belarus clash.
Better atmosphere though


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 18:19:06
Monchengladbach 2-0 up 9 mins in

They look a good side. That said Frankfurt don't look good at all!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 18:39:45
Watching the Bundesliga confirms it. I have no interest in watching BCD football.

Don't start 2020/21 until we're allowed back in grounds. It's pointless.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 18:45:55
Watching the Bundesliga confirms it. I have no interest in watching BCD football.

Don't start 2020/21 until we're allowed back in grounds. It's pointless.
Shit & fuck.
FT BATE 3-0 Slutsk who are now down to 4th. Has the Slutsk bubble burst?
Cracking atmosphere though


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 18:46:00
how the ***k will we pay the wages with no revenue anyway.

unless the league come up with some magic alternate funding plan.

I hate to say this because they deserve so so much l better, but so many players being out of contract  may be a blessing.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 18:56:55
Shit & fuck.
FT BATE 3-0 Slutsk who are now down to 4th. Has the Slutsk bubble burst?
Cracking atmosphere though

For the 8th week in a row nobody cares Kenny boy


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 18:57:52
I’m far more into this BCD German business than I thought, good game this Frankfurt one


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 19:02:22
I’m far more into this BCD German business than I thought, good game this Frankfurt one

Agreed. I've enjoyed the games today. Good to see a bit of football back huh!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 19:17:20
I think BCD is something we might have to accept over here for a few months, otherwise we will never get 20/21 started.

It’s clearly better than nothing.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, May 16, 2020, 20:41:36
how the ***k will we pay the wages with no revenue anyway.

unless the league come up with some magic alternate funding plan.

I hate to say this because they deserve so so much l better, but so many players being out of contract  may be a blessing.

New Sponsorship arrangements would be a starter. As mentioned before. Then streaming services et al. It won't be perfect but it won't be permanent either.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 08:59:11
Must admit I never thought I would see the day that I would sit and watch foreign league football.   Like everyone else,  bored shitless, so somehow finished up watching both games,  must admit I quite enjoyed it.  Maybe because I needed a football injection.  Although obviously not the atmosphere but found it better than I thought it would be,  no commentary but wouldn't have understood it in German anyway.
Social distancing never seemed an issue,  usual tackling and physical contact almost as the virus was never an issue,  let's hope it stays that way.  Now who's playing today .....................


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 09:16:03
Social distancing never seemed an issue,  usual tackling and physical contact almost as the virus was never an issue,  let's hope it stays that way.

El Hadji Diouf is lucky he's not still playing now, he'd end up in cuffs. I enjoyed Doughty's story about him in the recent podcast 🙂


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 09:34:24
Must admit I never thought I would see the day that I would sit and watch foreign league football.   Like everyone else,  bored shitless, so somehow finished up watching both games,  must admit I quite enjoyed it.  Maybe because I needed a football injection.  Although obviously not the atmosphere but found it better than I thought it would be,  no commentary but wouldn't have understood it in German anyway.
Social distancing never seemed an issue,  usual tackling and physical contact almost as the virus was never an issue,  let's hope it stays that way.  Now who's playing today .....................

I am waiting for some bell end to start off a series of inane posts on their newly adopted German team.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Mr Stevens on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 10:05:49
The problem is that you have to have some emotional involvement to really enjoy a game. If you don't give a toss, there's nothing.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 10:17:54
The problem is that you have to have some emotional involvement to really enjoy a game. If you don't give a toss, there's nothing.
This.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 10:49:57
The problem is that you have to have some emotional involvement to really enjoy a game. If you don't give a toss, there's nothing.

I’ll happily watch a game of football (or rugby) without having an emotional involvement. I really enjoyed the Frankfurt v Borussia M game yesterday without caring whoever won. As it occurred an excellent attacking Moench side won in an entertaining 4 goal game. The lack of fans doesn’t fuss me either, I generally watch a game with some music or whatever in the background.

I do understand where you are coming from and people will have varying opinions but I can happily watch a game without investing any emotional attachment.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Uncletrunx on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 10:51:11
I don't have BT Sports and I'm not getting it for the Bundesliga, so I've been watching some old Town matches.

Things I've remembered:
- Dave Mitchell was a big, rough bastard.
- Martin Ling was better than I remembered. And I remembered him being bloody good.
- Sam Parkin's opening day hat-trick was a thing of beauty.
- Shaun Taylor was fearless, or had no nerve endings.
- I wish we hadn't sold Matt Ritchie when we did. But then, we all know that.
- I'd forgotten that someone punched Sparky during the Man U game in the league!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 10:59:49
Could be a good time to escape from L2

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8326997/Chairmen-lower-league-clubs-discussing-radical-plan-split-League-Two-regions.html


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 11:07:56
Could be a good time to escape from L2
Is there ever a bad time to be promoted? ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 11:15:24
TBF regionalising League 2 makes a lot more sense than regionalising League 1 and League 2.

If they were going to bring it in then do it under League 1 level and have basically 2 League 2's as feeders.

That is a big IF though, not sure it will happen but has been mooted often in the past but I feel the impact would be felt less in L2 and the National league that it would with L1 and L2.

Wage caps and regional football league divisions, its all a bit 1950s austerity again.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 12:45:14
TBF regionalising League 2 makes a lot more sense than regionalising League 1 and League 2.

If they were going to bring it in then do it under League 1 level and have basically 2 League 2's as feeders.

That is a big IF though, not sure it will happen but has been mooted often in the past but I feel the impact would be felt less in L2 and the National league that it would with L1 and L2.

Wage caps and regional football league divisions, its all a bit 1950s austerity again.

The two L2’s, N&S could end up happening by default. It may not be considered or voted through if it is in the coming months before 20-21 starts but the next 12-24 months are far from certain at all levels more so in the cash strapped lower leagues. We could see a number of casualties, some surprising. And don’t even consider any financial help from the PL, you’ve more chance me voting labour at the next election.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 12:54:11
Yeah that does depend on if there actually is a 20-21 season in England, or when that will start if indeed it does.

The worm can seems to get bigger daily.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Badger on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 13:10:15
I don't have BT Sports and I'm not getting it for the Bundesliga, so I've been watching some old Town matches.

Things I've remembered:
- Dave Mitchell was a big, rough bastard.
- Martin Ling was better than I remembered. And I remembered him being bloody good.
- Sam Parkin's opening day hat-trick was a thing of beauty.
- Shaun Taylor was fearless, or had no nerve endings.
- I wish we hadn't sold Matt Ritchie when we did. But then, we all know that.
- I'd forgotten that someone punched Sparky during the Man U game in the league!

I think I remember the Sparky incident, as I recall he lent into the south side to retrieve the ball and his head suddenly rocked back - is that correct ?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 13:11:08
I’ll happily watch a game of football (or rugby) without having an emotional involvement. I really enjoyed the Frankfurt v Borussia M game yesterday without caring whoever won. As it occurred an excellent attacking Moench side won in an entertaining 4 goal game. The lack of fans doesn’t fuss me either, I generally watch a game with some music or whatever in the background.

I do understand where you are coming from and people will have varying opinions but I can happily watch a game without investing any emotional attachment.

I quite often watch premier league matches even though I have no interest in the teams that might be participating. This also applies to rugby.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 13:32:17
Lee Power on talksport this afternoon


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 14:09:40
He seems to acknowledge that Southern Counties Seagulls is a distinct possibility.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 14:16:56
Also confirms, as we know, that clubs won't survive much longer without help if there are no crowds at matches.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 14:19:33
He seems to acknowledge that Southern Counties Seagulls is a distinct possibility.
Did he? I thought he said fans wouldn’t accept it - and rightly so.

Ben Purkiss - PFA - getting tied in knots explaining the PFA’s income, expenditure, amount in the bank and are they going to use it to help clubs - and therefore - the players during the virus.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 14:39:25
May have to accept it if there are no other income streams


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Uncletrunx on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 14:51:01
I think I remember the Sparky incident, as I recall he lent into the south side to retrieve the ball and his head suddenly rocked back - is that correct ?

That's the one; Shaun Taylor had to hold him back from going and getting stuck in!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 14:54:01
Purkiss came across as a bumbling idiot, closer to politician than PFA.  Lee Power spoke well as usual.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 15:18:56
El Hadji Diouf is lucky he's not still playing now, he'd end up in cuffs. I enjoyed Doughty's story about him in the recent podcast 🙂
Wouldn't go within spitting distance of him.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 15:23:21
I am waiting for some bell end to start off a series of inane posts on their newly adopted German team.
Slutsk spring to mind.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 15:30:28
May have to accept it if there are no other income streams

Nightmare scenario for me.

The thought of B teams strikes disgust in me.

I have rejected the Boycott club and wouldn't of watched us at Wembley had we got there.

Introduction of this in a league format would tear me in half.

The Clash: Do I stay or do I go?!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 15:34:26
Nightmare scenario for me.

The thought of B teams strikes disgust in me.

I have rejected the Boycott club and wouldn't of watched us at Wembley had we got there.

Introduction of this in a league format would tear me in half.

The Clash: Do I stay or do I go?!

I have to say I agree with you. It goes against everything that the lower leagues stand for. But.... if there was no alternative?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 15:35:08
Purkiss came across as a bumbling idiot, closer to politician than PFA.  Lee Power spoke well as usual.

He always speaks well doesn’t he, Power. Which is why it still baffles me the amount of hate he gets.

Purkiss was hopeless, really didn’t know how to answer any of the questions.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 15:38:34
I have to say I agree with you. It goes against everything that the lower leagues stand for. But.... if there was no alternative?

This is the the key point and it would have to be definitively the only alternative.

I'd rather Swindon Town survived over anything else so and would begrudgingly deal with four or five 'B' teams swilling around the EFL.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 15:42:15
If you take a whole bunch of loans from one club (say Tottenham Hotspur for example) aren't you halfway down the road of being a B team anyway?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 16:29:48
^^^ in my opinion, yes


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 17:24:47
Slutsk spring to mind.
They do indeed.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 17:29:20
If a lot of clubs do end up in shit creek, then partnering up with a PL club would be an acceptable way of steadying the ship until the club can support itself again. A temporary alliance would be better than no club at all.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 17:33:40
That is, of course, eminently sensible. However, what you might get may not be a temporary alliance. Some clubs might be acquired 'lock stock and barrel', so to speak.


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 19:54:12
Quote
That is, of course, eminently sensible. However, what you might get may not be a temporary alliance. Some clubs might be acquired 'lock stock and barrel', so to speak.
exactly that. if it was really temporary fair enough. Got to do what you have got to do. I suspect though once the genie is out the bottle is not going back in.

could be wrong. obviously.

I appreciate a lot of people are happy to slap a swindon shirt on half a spurs u23 team, but it's not for me.

At least not in full time commitment to going to games. I'd still go to some to catch up with mates, etc. Swindon would be my preferred team

I'm going to find it hard to accept football will probably never be the same again


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 20:06:29
It would be the end for me.  I haven't invested for 30 yrs - emotionally & financially - in STFC for it to end up as someone else's B team.  I'd find another hobby, or another team.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, May 17, 2020, 20:07:28
And if it was about introducing B teams in to the lower leagues, I'd simply boycott those games.  As would thousands of others.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, May 18, 2020, 07:25:36
 :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52702075


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 18, 2020, 09:02:55
It's just a premium mannequin mum!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, May 18, 2020, 09:27:15
Listening to Lee Power on talkSport, I know it's been mentioned earlier on here but if you haven't listened to it already, you should do:

https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1589716800/1589720400/

Some of it may be Power exaggerating the case for a bailout for Leagues 1 and 2, but it's very worrying stuff: "Only a handful" of clubs left in September if something isn't done


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Tails on Monday, May 18, 2020, 09:43:34
I think he's blowing smoke a bit but the reality probably isn't too far off.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 18, 2020, 09:54:19
He’s right, though. No club, at least in L1/2, could play games with no paying fans. So it’s a matter of whether clubs can hang on long enough until there are.

He’s a canny fucker, though.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RedRag on Monday, May 18, 2020, 10:36:28
Thanks for sharing, Paul.  Appreciated.  I often miss Power when he does make the occasional radio appearance.  

"1/3rd or 30-40% of clubs won't make it through to June or July from what I'm hearing"

If no crowds till January?  "If we had no financial help, we couldn't start the season"

Canny, he is.  

On B teams:

"I just don't think that the supporters would ever let that happen."....but acknowledges that landscape is now changed.

:hmmm:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Monday, May 18, 2020, 11:51:31
Supporters won't really get a look in. If the owners of these struggling clubs get a decent offer, will they refuse to cash in their chips just because Reg from Haydon Wick don't like it?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, May 18, 2020, 12:05:37
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coventry-city-promotion-efl-vote-18266085


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, May 18, 2020, 12:13:27
Absolute farce, and Barry Fry is a massive twat. His comments about Rotherham are pathetic.

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/peterborough-united-are-made-wait-their-fate-again-league-one-clubs-not-expected-vote-again-until-end-week-2856385



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 18, 2020, 12:23:18
Listening to Lee Power on talkSport, I know it's been mentioned earlier on here but if you haven't listened to it already, you should do:

https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1589716800/1589720400/

Some of it may be Power exaggerating the case for a bailout for Leagues 1 and 2, but it's very worrying stuff: "Only a handful" of clubs left in September if something isn't done
Probably not far from the truth in reality I'd imagine. Unless a club has a rich owner no club will have any cashflow and will effectively be insolvent come September, the fact Cheltenham are saying they can't afford to even play the play-offs emphasises this.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, May 18, 2020, 12:41:57
Scottish Premier League ended, Celtic will be crowned champions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52646282


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, May 18, 2020, 12:50:40
Probably not far from the truth in reality I'd imagine. Unless a club has a rich owner no club will have any cashflow and will effectively be insolvent come September, the fact Cheltenham are saying they can't afford to even play the play-offs emphasises this.

But they were going to win the League? Ben Tozer said so.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 18, 2020, 13:17:26
Scottish Premier League ended, Celtic will be crowned champions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52646282

Jam Tarts.  :no:


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: chrisser on Monday, May 18, 2020, 14:46:57
Jam Tarts.  :no:
Prepare for things to get messy when clubs don't get what they want

Hearts: Scottish Premiership relegation more costly than legal fight - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52710194

Sent from my moto g(6)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 18, 2020, 14:52:54
Absolute farce, and Barry Fry is a massive twat. His comments about Rotherham are pathetic.

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/peterborough-united-are-made-wait-their-fate-again-league-one-clubs-not-expected-vote-again-until-end-week-2856385


Whatever the outcome of all these machinations, there is going to be a huge amount of simmering anger and resentment bubbling under the surface for years to come due to the way certain clubs and their senior officials have presented themselves in these times.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 18, 2020, 15:08:07
Grimsby statement said they were against no relegation and that playing on would have cost £400,000 - testing and taking players off furlough.

Just why clubs in L1 can afford to do it I have no idea - especially Bristol Rovers.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RedRag on Monday, May 18, 2020, 15:11:09
Looking like Lg 1 clubs are coming round to accepting the inevitable.  Next meeting on Wednesday.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/league-one-to-follow-league-two-and-end-season-prematurely-with-vote-at-meeting/ar-BB14eG98?ocid=spartandhp

I have some sympathy if I understand correctly, ie that Posh would be in the Play Offs on weighted PPG but not on straight PPG.  There really is a hair's breadth in the merits of one form of PPG against another.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 18, 2020, 15:18:35
See Burton have jettisoned Clough and 2 assistants as part of a cost cutting exercise.

Hang on to your hats, guys.

https://www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2020/may/1805-statement/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, May 18, 2020, 15:18:37
Posh can get fucked (but take your point).


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 18, 2020, 15:28:09
Prepare for things to get messy when clubs don't get what they want

Hearts: Scottish Premiership relegation more costly than legal fight - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52710194

Sent from my moto g(6)

I was hoping Hearts may have been bigger than a legal fight, given they have been gash all season. Seemingly not!


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 18, 2020, 15:37:23
I have some sympathy with MacAnthony in that he'd invested by now looks like having to write that off.

but what choice is there? voiding will be just the same financially. and it's say there's no change in hell of them finishing the games.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 18, 2020, 15:39:34
I have some sympathy with MacAnthony in that he'd invested by now looks like having to write that off.

but what choice is there? voiding will be just the same financially. and it's say there's no change in hell of them finishing the games.
Its also not like hes the only one in that position either, time to shut the fuck up and accept it, whatever the outcome is. Everyone is in the same boat.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, May 18, 2020, 15:53:36
Grimsby statement said they were against no relegation and that playing on would have cost £400,000 - testing and taking players off furlough.

Just why clubs in L1 can afford to do it I have no idea - especially Bristol Rovers.

i thought I read somewhere that the EFL would cover the testing costs not the clubs?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, May 18, 2020, 16:08:12
I ask again....why no help from the FA?

Make millions every year.

The Prem and EFL are the Crown Jewels.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, May 18, 2020, 16:55:38
I ask again....why no help from the FA?

Make millions every year.

The Prem and EFL are the Crown Jewels.
I don't think the FA make money from the Prem or the Football League do they? Most of their income comes from the FA Cup, hiring out Wembley and England games/merch. They're not that well off compared to the Prem. Mind you, who is?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 18, 2020, 17:06:32
I don't think the FA make money from the Prem or the Football League do they? Most of their income comes from the FA Cup, hiring out Wembley and England games/merch. They're not that well off compared to the Prem. Mind you, who is?

The Football Association has confirmed its financial results for the 2018-19 season, including a record £165m invested back into every level of football, for the year ended 31 July 2019.
 
This is up from £127m investment in the 2017-18 season, with the focus being on competition prize money, women’s football, facilities and grassroots football.
 
During the 2018-19 season, The Football Association generated a total turnover of £467m.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, May 18, 2020, 17:35:19
The Football Association has confirmed its financial results for the 2018-19 season, including a record £165m invested back into every level of football, for the year ended 31 July 2019.
 
This is up from £127m investment in the 2017-18 season, with the focus being on competition prize money, women’s football, facilities and grassroots football.
 
During the 2018-19 season, The Football Association generated a total turnover of £467m.

So....they have'nt got a War Chest then?

In poverty like the Church of England.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 18, 2020, 17:38:16
So....they have'nt got a War Chest then?

In poverty like the Church of England.

The first bit was lifted from the FA website, the below is old from Wiki

Turnover for the year ending 31 July 2016 was £370 million on which it made a profit after tax of £7 million.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:32:57
Harry Redknapp has suggested he wants to buy a L1 or L2 club when this passes?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:46:33
Harry Redknapp has suggested he wants to buy a L1 or L2 club when this passes?
He made a tentative offer to buy Yeovil when they were relegated to the National League, I think they are one of the clubs he is actually after as he lives only about 35 miles from there and did some help with the coaching earlier in the season too and previously under Darren Way a few years back.

Their fans are quite excited by the prospect of having him as an ower on ther FB page! good luck with that!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:53:29
Harry Redknapp has suggested he wants to buy a L1 or L2 club when this passes?
Pissing his own money up against a wall might change his attitude to transfers from when he was a manager


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:02:10
Is there a brown paper envelope supplier in Yeovil?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:11:02
Is there a brown paper envelope supplier in Yeovil?
Don't forget there are still a lot of rumours going around that Jed Mctwatface is part of the party that own Yeovil. He has a lifetime supply of brown envelopes...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:13:50
Don't forget there are still a lot of rumours going around that Jed Mctwatface is part of the party that own Yeovil. He has a lifetime supply of brown envelopes...
I bet he doesn't. I bet he's just claiming he has but is actually planning on just borrowing some from someone if he ever needs any :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:16:47
I bet he doesn't. I bet he's just claiming he has but is actually planning on just borrowing some from someone if he ever needs any :)
Thats a fair point! :D sometimes I am actually glad Power took us over!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:18:38
Harry Redknapp has suggested he wants to buy a L1 or L2 club when this passes?

Really? On the Peter Crouch podcast he jokingly suggested that he was going to buy a football club and have Crouch up front. I wonder whether someone has drastically taken this out of context?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:25:05
Really? On the Peter Crouch podcast he jokingly suggested that he was going to buy a football club and have Crouch up front. I wonder whether someone has drastically taken this out of context?

Saw it reported yesterday and have coincidentally listened to TPC Pod this morning, who knows.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:26:24
Really? On the Peter Crouch podcast he jokingly suggested that he was going to buy a football club and have Crouch up front. I wonder whether someone has drastically taken this out of context?

https://talksport.com/football/efl/707227/harry-redknapp-offers-league-one-league-two-national-league/

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/harry-redknapp-management-club-owner-buy-a9520346.html

https://www.bt.com/sport/news/harry-redknapp-eyes-return-to-football-as-a-lower-league-club-owner


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:37:52
Pissing his own money up against a wall might change his attitude to transfers from when he was a manager

Quite, wouldnt want him anywhere near STFC anyway. Blokes a tool


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:44:45
Quite, wouldnt want him anywhere near STFC anyway. Blokes a tool

And many used to moan about Powers previous dealings before he joined us ::)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:58:31
https://talksport.com/football/efl/707227/harry-redknapp-offers-league-one-league-two-national-league/

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/harry-redknapp-management-club-owner-buy-a9520346.html

https://www.bt.com/sport/news/harry-redknapp-eyes-return-to-football-as-a-lower-league-club-owner

Ah ok - wouldn't trust him with money personally. Appears shadier than a rainforest.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 11:07:33
Ah ok - wouldn't trust him with money personally. Appears shadier than a rainforest.
I agree, I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club, the Yokel fans are creaming themselves that he may go there.

Why do fans of so many clubs automatically think that because someone is famous then they will be good for the club as players, managers, off the field etc yet if they haven't heard of them then they presume they will be bad.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 12:37:11
How to make friends and influence people

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYUXOZUWAAAPWZv?format=jpg&name=small)

He's dead 'ard isn't he!

He is also called Darragh


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 12:48:45
He's threatening other clubs now as well?

Fucking bellend.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 12:57:20
What a cunt


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:05:12
What if STFC were in that position? Would you look to the club's owners to take robust action to protect the chance of promotion?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:09:21
Is there a brown paper envelope supplier in Yeovil?

How fortunate...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwi7w7iA9b_pAhV7SxUIHVf5CWkQFjAAegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blake-envelopes.com%2F&usg=AOvVaw1lJmRvdTaNk0Pl_UZ67i5v


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:10:06
What if STFC were in that position? Would you look to the club's owners to take robust action to protect the chance of promotion?

Yes.

But not threaten other clubs, many of whom are just trying to stay afloat themselves.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:13:26
However, the advice might be that you have to sue those clubs in order to obtain the remedy that is sought.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:16:20
It would be classic Swindon to be named champions and still not get promoted


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:17:43
Yes. Yes it would.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:24:39
Yes.

But not threaten other clubs, many of whom are just trying to stay afloat themselves.

I would be a little concerned if I were a posh fan at the moment, MacAnthony is a gobby rent a quote but he has never appeared to be really stupid.

a) he is going to turn them into a pariah club or b) they are in such financial shit that he is very desperate?

Neither bode well.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:42:43
Their business model is to pay good money - primarily for strikers, attacking midfielders - and hope to sell them on for a vastly higher price. Tbf, they have had a lot of success doing it. The problem now is that whatever assets they have - probably Ivan Toney - have had their value slashed by the virus. Nobody is going to pay top dollar - or anything much at all - with the virus hanging over everybody’s head.

They also have a policy of putting up for sale every single player that enters the last year of their contract. If they cant flog Toney in this window he will be OOC in a year’s time. They’re probably looking for £10-15m for him.

Big hit. I’d let those who want to have a crack of promotion play off against each other. Don’t see why he should drag down other clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 13:53:42
He's spunked good money trying to get Posh promoted.
He's now being thwarted by the proposed PPG solution.
He wants to do everything he can in the interests of Posh and his investment.

Right/Wrong? I'd certainly hope Power would do the same had our season become voided, or if we don't go up.

Do I think he will/should succeed? No, but the law is an arse.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 14:12:05
He needs to remember that Peterborough United is nothing without the community of clubs that it plays against.  Naked self-interest isn't going to look good after the dust has settled.  People have long memories.

Carol Shanahan, Port Vale Chairwoman, has a bit of class about her.  In the long run, her club will be fine and may even have won a few friends around the country.  McAnthony should learn from her.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 14:15:11
Like it or not they are entitled to litigate if considered appropriate.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 14:32:37
Like it or not they are entitled to litigate if considered appropriate.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 14:42:08
He's thinking like the world is still December 2019.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 15:06:46
He's thinking like the world is still December 2019.

Think he just likes the sound of his own voice.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 15:24:46
He needs to remember that Peterborough United is nothing without the community of clubs that it plays against.  Naked self-interest isn't going to look good after the dust has settled.  People have long memories.

Carol Shanahan, Port Vale Chairwoman, has a bit of class about her.  In the long run, her club will be fine and may even have won a few friends around the country.  McAnthony should learn from her.

IF it does go to games then I would laugh my arse off if/when Posh fail in their promotion attempt.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 15:30:58
Think he just likes the sound of his own voice.

He should have TEF membership then.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 16:06:09
He should have TEF membership then.

That doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 16:07:18
 :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 16:14:51
Going well then.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52726278


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 16:24:58
Surely that ends the prospect of completing any English league programme?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 16:26:51
No. That's minimal. Bundesliga pressed on in similar circumstances.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 16:35:20
Wont they have been self isolating beforehand at home anyway. We dont they whether they were tested induvidually, or in groups etc


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 17:00:11
There’s fuck all wrong with any of them. Treat it as any other injury/sickness and use the squad.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Mother Brown on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 19:50:44
He should have TEF membership then.

I see what you did there


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 20:19:29
That doesn't make sense.

He likes the look of his own typing?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 23:16:17
I see what you did there

Glad someone has not had their brains furloughed.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:24:14
Some sense breaking out

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52738597


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:25:42
£2.5m in L1
£1.25m in L2

I'd love to see how Sunderland compare to that League One figure!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:27:09
Will Grigg will take up most of that


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:29:03
Some sense breaking out

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52738597
Is it sense though? We've seen Southampton, Leeds, Wolves, Forest etc getting 30k attendances in league 1, surely they should have more spending power? % of turnover still seems like the most sensible route but removing the financial doping from rich owner loophole.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:33:27
The great equaliser!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:38:54
The great equaliser!
But doesn't make it right... We'd have been fucked in league 2 we'd have had no advantage over any club despite having 5 or 6 times the crowds.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:43:36
But doesn't make it right... We'd have been fucked in league 2 we'd have had no advantage over any club despite having 5 or 6 times the crowds.
I know what you mean, though without a specific figure clubs would find loopholes as they have done with FFP.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:45:59
I know what you mean, though without a specific figure clubs would find loopholes as they have done with FFP.
You're assuming they can't circumnavigate this with lucrative signing on fee's and bonus arrangements, there will always be a way around it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:46:49
But doesn't make it right... We'd have been fucked in league 2 we'd have had no advantage over any club despite having 5 or 6 times the crowds.

I think you might be slightly overestimating us there. We're above average for League Two sure, but we're not double the average let alone five or six times it! https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-two/attendances


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:51:09
Outside the playing budget, there are the associated costs of running a club. Rent or mortgage payments, loans, stadium upkeep, groundsman and staff, back room staff etc. That comes out of your turnover, which as we’ve seen under FP is skewed with sponsorship income, there has to be a limit that is truly transparent.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:53:48
Why have they decided to bring this in?

Yes salary caps are good in football IMO but the FFP in theory did almost exactly the same job as the new guidelines, L2 clubs can only spend 55% of turnover on player wages and L1 clubs thats 60%.

So the higher attendances can spend more on player wages, makes perfect sense to me.

What they need to clamp down on is the idiots like Dale Vince who have artificially high player wages due to his company sponsorships, thus totally avoiding any FFP caps by just throwing another £1m a go sponsorship deal at the club.

Any sponsorship should be totally seperate from actual attendance/merchandise and should not be included in the "turnover" figures.

If a team such as FGR get an average attendance of 2,500 which would equate to roughly £50k per home game which over a whole season would be around £1.4m including cup games and merchandise. This would allow them to spend @ £770k on player wages.

Compaired to a team like Plymouth who averaged almost exactly 4 times that much then they could in theory spend £3m on wages.

If the EFL removed the sponsorship loophole in funding being added to actual turnover then they would not need to bring in this new salary cap system.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 11:56:06
I think you might be slightly overestimating us there. We're above average for League Two sure, but we're not double the average let alone five or six times it! https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-two/attendances
The bottom 4 in that table have all had a significant number of games where attendances have been below 2k. Our overall average is more than double that of the team 14th in that table so some arbitrary figure just doesn't make sense.
Like I said Leeds, Wolves, Norwich etc had 30k attendances in league 1, in 3 or 4 games their turnover from ticket sales alone would bring in more than the £2.5m spending cap, it just doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 12:01:28
I think you might be slightly overestimating us there. We're above average for League Two sure, but we're not double the average let alone five or six times it! https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-two/attendances


It's nice to see we have a bigger average than the massive Oxford Utd whose numbers are also have an advantage of regular big away support


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 12:28:13
Quote
Some sense breaking out

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52738597 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52738597)
brutal but necessary.

question - what do those with big squads with long contracts do?

I guess this is an attempt to level the post covid playing field so everyone has a chance of competing.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 12:29:22
You'd think it'd be phased in rather than happening overnight to give the bigger spenders time to adjust.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 12:34:01

brutal but necessary.

question - what do those with big squads with long contracts do?
Is it not just going to create a massive gap between league 1 and 2 now as well because there is pretty much no chance a league 2 club can compete with a league 1 club on wages so league 2 will just be full of even more dross with decent players a rarity. Same goes between league 1 and the Championship, that gulf is just going to increase exponentially.

This doesn't do it for me, it needs to be turnover based otherwise it's just going to be a complete farce. A big club could end up stuck in league 1 accruing tens of millions in their bank due to a high turnover but unable to spend it as they are restricted to £2.5m a year in wages. How is that the way forward?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 12:40:50
Talks are ongoing...

Amazing that this years Turkeys Bolton, Tranmere and Southend have put forward a motion to cancel Christmas. Funny that...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 13:01:48
'Black Cats chief executive Jim Rodwell reiterated the club's view that all fixtures should be completed.

"We believe that any league places should be determined by what happens on the pitch, not in a meeting room and most certainly not in a courtroom," he said'

That takes the Fucking biscuit


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 13:04:49
What a fucking twat


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 13:16:57
'Black Cats chief executive Jim Rodwell reiterated the club's view that all fixtures should be completed.

"We believe that any league places should be determined by what happens on the pitch, not in a meeting room and most certainly not in a courtroom," he said'

That takes the Fucking biscuit

Well hes not wrong...unless we are suffering a Pandemic AND we are.....so just foolish.


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 13:23:42
'Black Cats chief executive Jim Rodwell reiterated the club's view that all fixtures should be completed.

"We believe that any league places should be determined by what happens on the pitch, not in a meeting room and most certainly not in a courtroom," he said'

That takes the Fucking biscuit
Sunderland have no right to moan about missing out on a potential promotion not decided on the pitch. Short memories


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 13:27:19
Sunderland have no right to moan about missing out on a potential promotion not decided on the pitch. Short memories
True that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 13:27:31
Government telling the PL to give financial aid to the EFL.

Hope it isn’t given directly to the clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 13:33:42
Government telling the PL to give financial aid to the EFL.

Hope it isn’t given directly to the clubs.
Or directly to Power who was last seen on his way to the Cayman Islands..... ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 14:00:19
True that.

Forgot that!  VERY true!!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 14:36:04
Take a look at 89/90 Jimbo


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Mother Brown on Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 20:49:34
It would be classic Swindon to be named champions and still not get promoted
No shit  :sherlock:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:35:55
The EFL Board has met and decided that in the event of an early curtailment:  

- Final placings should be determined on unweighted points per game
- Promotion and relegation should be retained.

Decisions to curtail are made by division and require a 51% majority.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:38:33
The EFL Board has met and decided that in the event of an early curtailment:  

- Final placings should be determined on unweighted points per game
- Promotion and relegation should be retained.

Decisions to curtail are made by division and require a 51% majority.


Didn't we have the league 2 majority last week?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:42:18
League Two agreed to end the season which needs to be ratified.

I think all EFL members have to vote on this.


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:43:41
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2 (https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2)

"The Board considers that the majority required to curtail the 2019/20 season in any division should be 51%. Determining whether or not to curtail the season is a decision for each division to take.  "


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:45:56
I'm missing your point pv. how is that contrary?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:47:43
I'm missing your point pv. how is that contrary?
It isn't it was me :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:50:00
Apparently uncertainty at Macclesfield was part of the delay in finalizing as it could have meant another promotion space from the National if Macc could not continue as a club.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:53:04
So, given we've already had the vote in L2, this now officially confirms us as Champions and promoted to L1. So we can celebrate now? Before descending into tears of writhing fury next week when we get deducted umpty billion points and relegated to the Swindon and District League for "advanced fucking about" off the pitch, obviously, but that's next week. Can I have a beer to celebrate now?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:55:07
So, given we've already had the vote in L2, this now officially confirms us as Champions and promoted to L1. So we can celebrate now? Before descending into tears of writhing fury next week when we get deducted umpty billion points and relegated to the Swindon and District League for "advanced fucking about" off the pitch, obviously, but that's next week. Can I have a beer to celebrate now?
Its the Swindon way, celebrate well for a week like its 1990.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:55:18
not until the vote is signed sealed and delivered.

at least, I assume there is another vote now the fa have clarified they want unweighted PPG, PO and relegations


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:56:42
Well assuming the same gets done for league 1, that's Oxford out of contention for any automatic promotion even if the play-offs are abandoned and 3rd place goes up.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 13:57:01
not until the vote is signed sealed and delivered.

at least, I assume there is another vote now the fa have clarified they want unweighted PPG, PO and relegations
FFS Batch. I'm thinking of growing a strawberry patch just so you can piss on it.


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:00:13
I'm hurting too. I've got my last thistly cross whiskey cask cider in the fridge waiting to be drunk.

I'll piss the result of that onto your strawberries


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:03:17
Well assuming the same gets done for league 1, that's Oxford out of contention for any automatic promotion even if the play-offs are abandoned and 3rd place goes up.

Having a quick gander at Twitter suggests Oxford would be in play-offs. Also a bit of murmuring about Peterborough and Sunderland beginning legal proceedings if that's the case.  I really hope football clubs can be bigger than legal proceedings in this horribly unprecedented times.

Especially when you consider Nigel Clough and 2 other staff members resigning from Burton Albion in order to help them financially. Too much self-interest about.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:05:35
I was listening to something on the BBC and it was mentioned by a guest that if the EFL follow their own process by the book then legal action will be a pointless endeavour.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:09:37
Having a quick gander at Twitter suggests Oxford would be in play-offs. Also a bit of murmuring about Peterborough and Sunderland beginning legal proceedings if that's the case.  I really hope football clubs can be bigger than legal proceedings in this horribly unprecedented times.

Especially when you consider Nigel Clough and 2 other staff members resigning from Burton Albion in order to help them financially. Too much self-interest about.
The contrast between Port Vale and Clough on the one hand vs MacAnthony and Sunderland on the other couldn't be more stark


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:19:29
The contrast between Port Vale and Clough on the one hand vs MacAnthony and Sunderland on the other couldn't be more stark

Couldn't agree more Paul. Classy v Classless.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:25:12
Couldn't agree more Paul. Classy v Classless.
100%, some clubs owners, especially L1 clubs have shown their true colours and are are a shitty colour.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:27:16
I saw the post about this from the club on Facebook and literally all the replies are Kostiuk spamming it about Power, the guy is severely unhinged.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:32:52
I saw the post about this from the club on Facebook and literally all the replies are Kostiuk spamming it about Power, the guy is severely unhinged.
You would think Power was his spurned lover by some of the posts, some of them are slanderous to say the least, hateful at others.

Unbelievable Jeff.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:34:48
100%, some clubs owners, especially L1 clubs have shown their true colours and are are a shitty colour.
Thank heavens our owner is cut from very different cloth :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:36:05
who owns the cloth?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:39:16
who owns the cloth?
Whoever it is seems to be touching it constantly.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:41:24
I saw the post about this from the club on Facebook and literally all the replies are Kostiuk spamming it about Power, the guy is severely unhinged.

I see you stirring the pot on there Pauld :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:46:15
I see you stirring the pot on there Pauld :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
:D Couldn't resist


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 14:57:49
I daren't look. 


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 15:51:01
:D Couldn't resist

Bait has been conspicuously ignored!

I daren't look. 

Its actually quite dull. Cheltenham boy is playing bobby big balls but that's nothing new.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 16:03:36
Bait has been conspicuously ignored!
Boo! Never mind, one of his hangers-on will be on later to call me a Power lover in graphically homoerotic terms a la Chang.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 16:05:26
League Two agreed to end the season which needs to be ratified.

I think all EFL members have to vote on this.

So when are the younger due to vote and will the players be going back to training on the 25th if not resolved by then :eek:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: [email protected] on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 16:47:07
I have just been doing a rough calculation on how things might go if there was a vote on this today.

I think there is a good chance that the proposal will pass, and here is why:

In league 2, everyone has already voted to finish the season on a PPG basis.  Assuming that Stevenage change their mind as it would mean them being relegated, that would be 23 votes out of the 37 needed.

Add into that, Leeds, West Brom, Coventry and Rotherham who would be promoted without kicking another ball brings it up to 27, so 10 more votes needed.

Take out Charlton, Luton, Barnsley, Tranmere, Southend and Bolton who would be relegated leaves 32 teams to decide one way or another.

If you assume that anyone who is within 5 points of safety wanting to finish on PPG (not take a risk of dropping), then Birmingham, Stoke, Huddersfield, Middlesborough, Wigan, Hull, Rochdale, and MC Franchise brings the tally up to 36.

That leaves 1 vote out of 28 needed, and the season is over (bar the play-offs).


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 16:57:40
I have just been doing a rough calculation on how things might go if there was a vote on this today.

I think there is a good chance that the proposal will pass, and here is why:

In league 2, everyone has already voted to finish the season on a PPG basis.  Assuming that Stevenage change their mind as it would mean them being relegated, that would be 23 votes out of the 37 needed.

Add into that, Leeds, West Brom, Coventry and Rotherham who would be promoted without kicking another ball brings it up to 27, so 10 more votes needed.

Take out Charlton, Luton, Barnsley, Tranmere, Southend and Bolton who would be relegated leaves 32 teams to decide one way or another.

If you assume that anyone who is within 5 points of safety wanting to finish on PPG (not take a risk of dropping), then Birmingham, Stoke, Huddersfield, Middlesborough, Wigan, Hull, Rochdale, and MC Franchise brings the tally up to 36.

That leaves 1 vote out of 28 needed, and the season is over (bar the play-offs).
It's 51% in each division, not across the whole league. i.e. they are separate votes in each division


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 17:02:44
MacAnthony obviously not taken it well - changed his twitter bio to ‘Owner of Peterborough United not allowed to play Football Club’

What a prick


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: [email protected] on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 17:03:30
It's 51% in each division, not across the whole league. i.e. they are separate votes in each division
All the news outlets suggest it is a straight 51% vote.  Nothing anywhere (including the EFL) to suggest it is down to each division.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 17:05:30
Championeeeess


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 17:14:22
The BBC reporting is confusing for a change, not clear whther its all clubs together or lague by league, also suggesting that the Championship intend to continue to conclusion?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52758193


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 17:33:31
The EFL statement is quite clear that the 51% refers to each division individually:

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2/


... until you get to Rick Parry’s comment!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 18:17:53
All the news outlets suggest it is a straight 51% vote.  Nothing anywhere (including the EFL) to suggest it is down to each division.
Well there is this from the EFL statement

"4. The Board considers that the majority required to curtail the 2019/20 season in any division should be 51%. Determining whether or not to curtail the season is a decision for each division to take.  "
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2/

Always best to go to the source where possible rather than relying on inaccurate reporting. Looking at media reports, you'd think we're just about to go into administration, for example


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 18:20:27
Must be 51% of each individual league. Barry Fry is whining about the decision and says it is unlikely they will get the 12 votes necessary to play on.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Thursday, May 21, 2020, 18:31:34
I have just been doing a rough calculation on how things might go if there was a vote on this today.

I think there is a good chance that the proposal will pass, and here is why:

In league 2, everyone has already voted to finish the season on a PPG basis.  Assuming that Stevenage change their mind as it would mean them being relegated, that would be 23 votes out of the 37 needed.

Add into that, Leeds, West Brom, Coventry and Rotherham who would be promoted without kicking another ball brings it up to 27, so 10 more votes needed.

Take out Charlton, Luton, Barnsley, Tranmere, Southend and Bolton who would be relegated leaves 32 teams to decide one way or another.

If you assume that anyone who is within 5 points of safety wanting to finish on PPG (not take a risk of dropping), then Birmingham, Stoke, Huddersfield, Middlesborough, Wigan, Hull, Rochdale, and MC Franchise brings the tally up to 36.

That leaves 1 vote out of 28 needed, and the season is over (bar the play-offs).

If the one Stoke fan I know is anything to go by, then they'll snap your hand off for ppg.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 22, 2020, 04:26:13
Some MP and Charlie Methven of Sunderland are asking for a government bail out of L1/2 clubs as ‘5-10 clubs could go bust in a matter of weeks’.

Here are the strings attached

‘A 'Football Finance Authority' (FFA) scheme should be created by the Football Association - but working with and backed financially by the government - to provide financial assistance to EFL clubs.

Funds should be provided by the FFA to allow clubs to meet their short-term liabilities and provide them enough breathing space to restructure their finances, but couldn't be used to invest in recruiting new players or improving the club's infrastructure. Rather than being offered as loans, these funds would instead be exchanged for a minority shareholding in the club, of between 10 per cent to 49 per cent, depending on the level of investment required and the value of the club.
Independent directors would be appointed to the boards of clubs as representatives for this minority shareholding. These directors can be nominated by either a registered Supporters Trust or by the relevant local government authority, but they must be non-political and subject to approval as 'Fit and Proper' by the FFA.

These Independent Directors shall have real-time access to the financial records of their club and can report their concerns back to the FFA. Clubs that continue to trade outside the rules of the EFL would be put into a form of administration by the FFA, where a credible plan would be implemented by independent auditors to bring the financial affairs of the club back in line with the League's rules.

Either a recognised Supporters Trust or a local authority can subsequently acquire the FFA shareholding in their club at a discount to market value, and funds raised in this way would be returned to the government to help repay the public investment in this scheme.

The EFL's financial regulations should be set and enforced by the FFA, the governing body of which should include representation from the EFL, the Professional Footballers Association (PFA), the Football Supporters Association (FSA) and the clubs themselves, but with an independent majority.’

Imagine Power allowing some stranger to poke around the accounts. Tbf, that probably applies to a lot of owners.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, May 25, 2020, 19:47:45
Huddersfield owner echoing Power, reckons 50-60 clubs could go bust if something isn't done to sort out financial impact of BCD next season

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52790371


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 11:44:42
.....continuing the 'what happens next' football discussion this morning on the Coronavirus thread, the first vote (on the necessary rule change) is on 1 June:

https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1264856538998624256?s=20



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 12:30:29
The FA has granted the National League an extension to their season.

It means the National League can hold playoffs beyond the end of May deadline.

Following a meeting last Thursday, FA Council members had been asked to vote on the proposal.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 12:33:51
The FA has granted the National League an extension to their season.

It means the National League can hold playoffs beyond the end of May deadline.

Following a meeting last Thursday, FA Council members had been asked to vote on the proposal.
Does this mean that Barrow have actually been promoted now?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 12:44:57
Does this mean that Barrow have actually been promoted now?

Like so much in this situation, who fucking knows.

There is a cynical view that it just allows them to drag things out a bit more until the EFL tell them what to do, also being pointed out that Solihull Moors (and others) have essentially released half their team and thus wouldn't be able to mean fully take part even if they did happen.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 12:50:43
Like so much in this situation, who fucking knows.

There is a cynical view that it just allows them to drag things out a bit more until the EFL tell them what to do, also being pointed out that Solihull Moors (and others) have essentially released half their team and thus wouldn't be able to mean fully take part even if they did happen.
Solihull Moors problem doesn't matter as they wouldn't be in the play offs is a standard PPG is used.

That is IF they only play the play offs and not the rest of the season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 13:35:21
Solihull Motors
It's Moors not Motors


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Chunkyhair on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 14:50:48
Not that this is linked to any (immediately) previous post in this thread, but is time to turn on the Karma buttons again (especially as I now have 100 posts under my belt)  ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 14:58:42
It's Moors not Motors
It is you are correct, they changed their name on my phone to a car dealership that I recommended a friend who lives in Solihull.

Thanks for spotting, I would have gone to my grave worrying about it if you hadn't pointed out my spelling mistake.

You are a life saver.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 15:00:05
It is you are correct, they changed their name on my phone to a car dealership that I recommended a friend who lives in Solihull.

Thanks for spotting, I would have gone to my grave worrying about it if you hadn't pointed out my spelling mistake.

You are a life saver.

I had absolutely no idea what you meant either PV, I thought you actually meant Vauxhall Motors so i'm also happy to have had this horrible issue cleared up.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 15:02:24
I had absolutely no idea what you meant either PV, I thought you actually meant Vauxhall Motors so i'm also happy to have had this horrible issue cleared up.
I blame my phone for autocorrect! :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 15:23:28
It's Moors not Motors

BUT Jaguar do a plant very close by.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 15:40:44
I blame my phone for autocorrect! :D

Oldest excuse in the book my friend! ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 15:55:49
Oldest excuse in the book my friend! ;)
Not THE oldest...just the oldest since autocorrect was invested by the deceased maker, may he rest in peas :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 16:05:55
It is you are correct, they changed their name on my phone to a car dealership that I recommended a friend who lives in Solihull.

Thanks for spotting, I would have gone to my grave worrying about it if you hadn't pointed out my spelling mistake.

You are a life saver.
It's definitely Moors, they are a merger of Solihull and Moor Green


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 16:11:40
It's definitely Moors, they are a merger of Solihull and Moor Green

Club motto Roooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr I recall.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 16:31:05
Bit  Moorish of you (I'll definitely get me coat)  :pint:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 17:44:05
I think its great that one autocorrected word can make such a conversation peice.

TEF you still amaze me at times.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 18:05:47
Not THE oldest...just the oldest since autocorrect was invested by the deceased maker, may he rest in peas :)
Wouldn't the oldest be Granmere?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 23:21:24
I think its great that one autocorrected word can make such a conversation peice.

TEF you still amaze me at times.

Easy mitsake fella. I once tried to tell someone my error was autocorrect only for it to spell autovortex  :doh:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 28, 2020, 09:40:53
Easy mitsake fella. I once tried to tell someone my error was autocorrect only for it to spell autovortex  :doh:
Better than autoeroticasphyxiation! man that was a hard one to explain! ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:10:00
Better than autoeroticasphyxiation! man that was a hard one to explain! ;)
I don't know if I'm coming or going


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 28, 2020, 10:36:02
I don't know if I'm coming or going

Let me enlighten you.

Urine = Yellow so definitely going.
Semen = White so definitely cumming.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, May 28, 2020, 15:50:40
Better than autoeroticasphyxiation! man that was a hard one to explain! ;)

Raises an eyebrow, possibly morefor some  :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, May 29, 2020, 10:21:42
Another pointless statement.

Next meeting 8th June.

They should grow some balls and make a fucking decision, and tell league one to stop dithering around and pull their fingers out of their asses

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-board-update/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 29, 2020, 10:59:35
BREAKING: EFL faff about for another week!

Johnsonian levels of dithering here. Parry should just tell MacAnthony to STFU, tell Sunderland they've already had one promotion due to off the pitch issues so thay can stop fucking crying about missing out for the same reason, and demote Oxford to the Southern League for generally being whinging tarts. Job done.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 29, 2020, 11:05:40
and demote Oxford to the Southern League for generally being whinging tarts. Job done.

And just for being Oxford. Surely that's enough of a reason in itself?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 29, 2020, 11:11:57
And just for being Oxford. Surely that's enough of a reason in itself?
The Football League board have this morning unanimously agreed that due to their failure to recognise that stadiums should be rectangular in shape, rather than a bloody triangle for Christ's sake, and just generally being Poxy, Oxford United will be relegated to the Beezer Homes League. No appeal will be granted.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, May 29, 2020, 11:15:27
The Football League board have this morning unanimously agreed that due to their failure to recognise that stadiums should be rectangular in shape, rather than a bloody triangle for Christ's sake, and just generally being Poxy, Oxford United will be relegated to the Beezer Homes League. No appeal will be granted.

That's completely unfair to all the four-sided grounded teams who've made it to the Beezer Homes League on merit. You bastard.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 29, 2020, 11:22:42
The Football League board have this morning unanimously agreed that due to their failure to recognise that stadiums should be rectangular in shape, rather than a bloody triangle for Christ's sake, and just generally being Poxy, Oxford United will be relegated to the Beezer Homes League. No appeal will be granted.

Beazer, it's Beazer.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, May 29, 2020, 11:24:30
Beazer, it's Beazer.

Used to be but a kids comic took over sponsorship last year.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, May 29, 2020, 11:29:14
Doc Martins stampy league division 3


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, May 29, 2020, 11:30:12
starring Martin Clunes.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, May 29, 2020, 12:06:50
BREAKING: EFL faff about for another week!

Johnsonian levels of dithering here. Parry should just tell MacAnthony to STFU, tell Sunderland they've already had one promotion due to off the pitch issues so thay can stop fucking crying about missing out for the same reason, and demote Oxford to the Southern League for generally being whinging tarts. Job done.

Well said meanwhile csnt they just sign off league as the new fixtures will be out soon :)
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Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 29, 2020, 12:07:13
Beazer, it's Beazer.
All right, calm down, geazer :)


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 29, 2020, 12:15:38
on and on...

so it does still have to be agreed by clubs.wunderbar


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 31, 2020, 21:30:53
Championship restarting 20th June


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, May 31, 2020, 22:08:57
Championship restarting 20th June

Just leaves awkward league one then :wink:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Sunday, May 31, 2020, 22:27:39
Where's our bloody trophy?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 1, 2020, 09:11:49
Where's our bloody trophy?
Unfortunately, until they decide what is happening in the division higher they cant confirm our title, its the whole knock on effect.

Barrow are in the same boat, deservedly awarded the title in all but finalization. They are waiting to see what L2 are doing before confirming, L2 are waiting to find out what L1 are doing...etc.

Its fucking frustrating.

I think its pretty obvious the top 2 divisons will finish behind closed doors now, surely L1 must agree that its time to finish and play just the play offs, surely?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 1, 2020, 09:52:48

I think its pretty obvious the top 2 divisons will finish behind closed doors now, surely L1 must agree that its time to finish and play just the play offs, surely?

If the rebel 6 are so desperate to play on despite many not wanting to, just ask McAnthony and his mates to foot the bill for all the C-19 testing that is needed as that seems to be the sticking point for many of the less well off clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 1, 2020, 10:05:38
If the rebel 6 are so desperate to play on despite many not wanting to, just ask McAnthony and his mates to foot the bill for all the C-19 testing that is needed as that seems to be the sticking point for many of the less well off clubs.
I think thats fair.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RedRag on Monday, June 1, 2020, 10:09:14
A concern of mine, had it been possible to play the remainder of the fixtures, would have been that many may have been uncompetitive.  In particular that clubs with nothing to play for and/or otherwise financially fucked may have ended up playing kids, perhaps en masse well before the final 2 or 3 games.  And thereby turned many games into a lottery or farce (a little like some of Bolton's when they were forced to play kids).

This could also apply to League 1.

Imperfect, but better to apply PPG based on the 80% of properly competitive games already played.  IMO.

Incredibly disappointing that it looks like the fans, the players and management will be unable to celebrate their achievement properly at the CG.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 1, 2020, 10:12:01
If the rebel 6 are so desperate to play on despite many not wanting to, just ask McAnthony and his mates to foot the bill for all the C-19 testing that is needed as that seems to be the sticking point for many of the less well off clubs.
It's not just that, it's also the cost of bringing playing and coaching staff out of furlough and having to pay them in full for 6-8 weeks which could break many clubs. Your general point still stands though - if Peterboro and Sunderland are so insistent that the league must be played out, even to the point that it may bankrupt several of their fellow clubs, at the very least it's incumbent upon them to explain how that should be paid for.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 1, 2020, 12:35:05
I think its pretty obvious the top 2 divisons will finish behind closed doors now, surely L1 must agree that its time to finish and play just the play offs, surely?

This is a great danger to STFC and Div 3/4 clubs.  If the top 2 divs do manage to complete under BCD, and 3 join 4 in writing it off, then the creation of Prem 2 and binning off the rest will be well under way.

 The best chance then for some solidarity will be a second wave causing another shut down.  Quite likely according to some scientists.  This is because even with the current rate of decline, it is highly unlikely that football with crowds, will happen in 20/21.  Can we really see the Prem and broadcasters wishing to support Div 3/4 financially?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 1, 2020, 15:04:07
Looks like the delay in wrapping up L2 could be the further charges being laid on Macclesfield. Presume a further points deduction would see them drop below Stevenage.

https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/01.06.20-silkmen-hit-with-further-efl-charges/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Monday, June 1, 2020, 15:09:19
Looks like the delay in wrapping up L2 could be the further charges being laid on Macclesfield. Presume a further points deduction would see them drop below Stevenage.

https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/01.06.20-silkmen-hit-with-further-efl-charges/
Interesting. So will they relegate 2? The EFL is one short because of Bury and the Nat League have I think been making noises about wanting 3 up!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, June 1, 2020, 16:49:20
Looks like the delay in wrapping up L2 could be the further charges being laid on Macclesfield. Presume a further points deduction would see them drop below Stevenage.

https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/01.06.20-silkmen-hit-with-further-efl-charges/

defo Court Cases, that will be a mess.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 1, 2020, 17:14:52
Here’s the charges

1) late payment of March wages
2) failing to act with ‘utmost good faith’ in respect of EFL matters
3) Breaching order, requirement, direction or instruction of the League


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, June 1, 2020, 17:17:03
Charltons Lyle Taylor says he wont play in case he gets injured, he’s out of contract and being lined up for a big move.

At least he’s honest about it!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 1, 2020, 17:19:47
Can’t say I blame him. Looks like the EFL have dragged this out to ensure no games are actually played - thereby having consistency over their 3 leagues.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 1, 2020, 20:33:12
The six or so L1 clubs rallied in their outrage just before the last potential deadline date (because it's pretty clear the EFL wanted this done and dusted a couple of weeks ago)

Now in the build-up to the 'final' deadline, a few Championship clubs are declaring their unhappiness.

Public lobbying.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 10:15:52
yeah, posturing ahead of the regulation change vote on 8th.

anyone know the format of such a vote? is it a straight majority, one club one vote? or do the championship hold some unfair weighted vote?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 10:21:23
yeah, posturing ahead of the regulation change vote on 8th.

anyone know the format of such a vote? is it a straight majority, one club one vote? or do the championship hold some unfair weighted vote?
Regulation change requires 51% of all clubs in the league to vote in favour. One vote per club


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 10:37:41
excellent. surely 37 clubs will be fine with it,!

the efl statement has the clarity of a 3gpp spec


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 11:40:17
The expoeriments with cut outs are going well. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/warriors/300025226/sack-the-lot-of-them-anger-at-adolf-hitler-prank-and-serial-killer-dr-harold-shipman-appearing-in-nrl-cutouts


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 11:49:38
soapy tit wank


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 15:46:24
The experiments with cut outs are going well. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/warriors/300025226/sack-the-lot-of-them-anger-at-adolf-hitler-prank-and-serial-killer-dr-harold-shipman-appearing-in-nrl-cutouts

Surely even if those cutouts are done via online submissions, someone is having to put them out in the stands manually and the images are seen before/after print?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 16:03:44
Surely even if those cutouts are done via online submissions, someone is having to put them out in the stands manually and the images are seen before/after print?
I'm not sure a New Zealand stadium person would necessarily know who Harold Shipman was, much less recognise him


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 16:46:37
I'm not sure a New Zealand stadium person would necessarily know who Harold Shipman was, much less recognise him

You might be right... but Hitler? Really should have known.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 16:51:51
You might be right... but Hitler? Really should have known.

Who did he think he was kidding


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 16:52:21
You might be right... but Hitler? Really should have known.
There was no cutout of Hitler - the NZ sports show photoshopped Hitler over one of the cutouts in a picture used on the show as a "joke". #bantz


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 16:59:31
The only funny one was the Cummins cutout


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 17:10:01
There was no cutout of Hitler - the NZ sports show photoshopped Hitler over one of the cutouts in a picture used on the show as a "joke". #bantz

Ah, right you are (not in a political sense, obviously).


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 17:17:43
I'm not sure a New Zealand stadium person would necessarily know who Harold Shipman was, much less recognise him

Very true and have just read the "Hitler" thing too. Bad form on the broadcaster then.

All I would counter is the "not knowing" thing. Excusable for the stadium worker but don't we have face recognition software in pretty much most camera/upload related things now? I'm pretty certain my phone software can even recognise faces and tell me their names too


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 17:50:48
There was no cutout of Hitler - the NZ sports show photoshopped Hitler over one of the cutouts in a picture used on the show as a "joke". #bantz

Who do you think you are kidding?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 08:24:24
These 2 are still at it I see

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/peterborough-united-have-supported-tranmere-rovers-proposal-adopt-points-game-average-margin-error-league-one-well-eight-team-play-battle-2872583


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 08:37:52
These 2 are still at it I see

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/peterborough-united-have-supported-tranmere-rovers-proposal-adopt-points-game-average-margin-error-league-one-well-eight-team-play-battle-2872583

I hadn't seen the details of the Mark Palios proposal before.  It's described here:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/city-league-one-promotion-efl-18345155

It smacks of desperation, to put it mildly.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tj2002 on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 08:53:31
That is hilarious. A margin of error to account for how well teams typically do towards the end of seasons, and let's just chuck some extra play-off places in to keep the big boys happy.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 12:54:27
Sobering statement that I’d imagine applies to all clubs

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2020/june/update-from-chairman-simon-hallett/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 13:23:47
I hadn't seen the details of the Mark Palios proposal before.  It's described here:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/city-league-one-promotion-efl-18345155

It smacks of desperation, to put it mildly.
It certainly does! How the hell are they going to work that out? If they want only 2 down and 25 in L1 next season that up to them and shouldn't affect us (except we'd play 2 more games) but the rest is mind-boggling


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 14:03:19
Sobering statement that I’d imagine applies to all clubs

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2020/june/update-from-chairman-simon-hallett/

Argyle generally do the fan's communication stuff pretty well for a lower league outfit.  I suppose you could argue that Power in his own way pointed out problems ahead just before the court case emerged, just he's not so articulate.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 14:37:16
Argyle generally do the fan's communication stuff pretty well for a lower league outfit.  I suppose you could argue that Power in his own way pointed out problems ahead just before the court case emerged, just he's not so articulate.
Probably just forget to add the bit about putting a cash injection in to see us through!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 14:40:36
He did, but it was someone else's cash :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 14:52:36
He did, but it was someone else's cash :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 17:45:42
The latest on EFL discussions from Nixon:

https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1268222657113309191?s=21

Think this relates to the proposals put forward by clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 18:11:19
So the EFL had a meeting to discuss the proposals from the last meeting and in turn are having another meeting to discuss this and vote next week


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 18:35:27
And still no news for Barrow.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 18:37:16
May as well just restart it all and let crowds in now, social distancing is long gone and yesterdays news!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 18:45:55
Yep. Decision Day has slipped another day until next Tuesday. Another EFL Statement:

https://twitter.com/efl_comms/status/1268223423475601409?s=21


.... and another one on Covid-19 testing results. Players from four League 2 sides tested and zero were positive. Nine positive tests in the Championship, though.

https://twitter.com/efl_comms/status/1268241041305542656?s=21


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 18:58:04
So the meeting was supposed to be on Monday but due to the clubs needing 5 days notice it is has been moved to tuesday.

Did they not fucking know this in the first place? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 18:58:08
Yep. Decision Day has slipped another day until next Tuesday. Another EFL Statement:

https://twitter.com/efl_comms/status/1268223423475601409?s=21


.... and another one on Covid-19 testing results. Players from four League 2 sides tested and zero were positive. Nine positive tests in the Championship, though.

If the EFL ever formed a band they would be known as the Indecisive's :no:  


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 20:27:17
If the EFL ever formed a band they would be known as the Indecisive's :no:  

I’m not so sure about that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 10:37:02
Not sure where to put this as it doesn't warrant a new thread, but Wigan have changed hands https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2061010-wigan-athletic-under-new-ownership-after-deal-goes-through


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 11:20:24
Not sure where to put this as it doesn't warrant a new thread, but Wigan have changed hands https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2061010-wigan-athletic-under-new-ownership-after-deal-goes-through

Disappointing to see Cheung Tat Man has stepped down from the board as part of the deal. I presume he was in charge of the club shop?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 12:36:35
Disappointing to see Cheung Tat Man has stepped down from the board as part of the deal. I presume he was in charge of the club shop?

Careful, you will invoke faux outrage....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 13:13:20
I know a lot of clubs are in the shit - and were no different - but this holier than thou stuff boils my piss

https://exetercityfc.wordpress.com/2020/06/01/exeter-city-episode-27/comment-page-1/?unapproved=68&moderation-hash=2b4c3b8fd6e55087dfa80131f7647ea0#comment-68


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 13:18:55
I know a lot of clubs are in the shit - and were no different - but this holier than thou stuff boils my piss

https://exetercityfc.wordpress.com/2020/06/01/exeter-city-episode-27/comment-page-1/?unapproved=68&moderation-hash=2b4c3b8fd6e55087dfa80131f7647ea0#comment-68
He's right though. Most Football League clubs are run on a ridiculously unsustainable basis, financial doping is rewarded, being well-run is, effectively, punished.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 13:59:06
If that is,indeed, the case then those unsustainable clubs will go bust and Exeter can play Exeter reserves for eternity.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 14:11:18
If that is,indeed, the case then those unsustainable clubs will go bust and Exeter can play Exeter reserves for eternity.
Reductionist though your exaggeration is, yes, that's effectively the point he's making. Football was deep in the shit before this catastrophe; if it doesn't use this crisis to sort itself out, we may not have football clubs to support.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 14:56:28
It’s a fair point being raised in a rather petulant way, plus lacking proper analysis.  The numbers he used for us are trading numbers before player sales I imagine.  Yes about 11 million went in, but a big chunk of that has also been paid back.  The court case he uses even details that because it laid bare Standing having been repaid nearly 4 million of his loans.  There is no doubt we are a loss making business over the past 7 years but not to the extent suggested.  I imagine Exeter have benefited from 0layers sales, without which they’d also have lost money.

The game needs fixing though, and it certainly cannot continue behind closed doors without alternative funding.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 17:17:38
See Tranmere have invented another proposal that see’s them avoid relegation by removing a league 1 relegation spot and would see us have to play in a 9 team play-off.  With league 2 having already voted to conclude the season with us as champions, if this proposal got through wouldn’t we be at major disadvantage as doubt we’ve had our players back in training unlike the teams already expecting play-offs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 17:59:29
See Tranmere have invented another proposal that see’s them avoid relegation by removing a league 1 relegation spot and would see us have to play in a 9 team play-off.  With league 2 having already voted to conclude the season with us as champions, if this proposal got through wouldn’t we be at major disadvantage as doubt we’ve had our players back in training unlike the teams already expecting play-offs.

Fuck off (to Tranmere, not you Theaks). If we have to play them and they're winning I'll turn the floodlights off myself.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 18:20:56
It'll take some doing for Tranmere's proposal to get the appropriate support.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 18:55:47
It'll take some doing for Tranmere's proposal to get the appropriate support.
When they lose we aren’t going to hear the end of it, I mean they still haven’t got over our floodlight failure so they are likely to go into a full on ‘victimised’ meltdown.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 19:00:38
Fair play to them for trying, it's worth a shot at least.

At least they're not threatening to sue other clubs, unlike that MacAnthony tool.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 21:57:58
one thing we've not discussed that much is what happens to us fans.

Sunderland are to refund fans if the season is curtailed.

however if it continues behind closed doors, then they only get home streaming passes. No other options.

That's ok, but those that have renewed for next season is exactly the same. Home streaming only.
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Not sure how I feel about that if it were the same for us. As things stand I'm ok with the club taking my money as I'm lucky enough to still have my job.

I'd really expect something a bit more. maybe a free u18 Season ticket or something when faced return. it's one way to compensate households that have multiple season tickets. You don't need multiple streaming.

away streams included would be nice, but probably out the hands of the away club


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, June 4, 2020, 22:37:29
How's next season going to start behind closed doors :cry:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, June 5, 2020, 07:37:41
When they lose we aren’t going to hear the end of it, I mean they still haven’t got over our floodlight failure so they are likely to go into a full on ‘victimised’ meltdown.

That’s Scousers for you. Birth certificate comeS with a lifetime membership to National I’m a victim over something club.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, June 5, 2020, 08:44:11
How's next season going to start behind closed doors :cry:
Blimey,  let's get this one finished first !!.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 5, 2020, 08:54:11
How's next season going to start behind closed doors :cry:

This was the point I was making t'other day.  If the Div 2 teams can hang on to the tails of the Prem and finish 19/20, then it's a tacit acceptance of Prem 1 and 2, where 20/21 can be played bcd funded by TV revenue.

It will require a massive bail out for anything below Div 2 to happen.  I suppose by a stretch of the imagination, in a stadium of 14000, a crowd of say 5-6,000 could be accommodated with social distancing, but just seems likely to be prohibitively expensive.  Do any of our regular Covid experts have any idea how things might look.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:01:36
This was the point I was making t'other day.  If the Div 2 teams can hang on to the tails of the Prem and finish 19/20, then it's a tacit acceptance of Prem 1 and 2, where 20/21 can be played bcd funded by TV revenue.

It will require a massive bail out for anything below Div 2 to happen.  I suppose by a stretch of the imagination, in a stadium of 14000, a crowd of say 5-6,000 could be accommodated with social distancing, but just seems likely to be prohibitively expensive.  Do any of our regular Covid experts have any idea how things might look.  :hmmm:

I was thinking the same but if the "2 metre" rule is still in place then I reckon we would only be allowed around 2500 in the stadium if you base all four stands on approx capacity and divide by 6.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:17:27
I was thinking the same but if the "2 metre" rule is still in place then I reckon we would only be allowed around 2500 in the stadium if you base all four stands on approx capacity and divide by 6.

You can have people of the same household sit together without social distancing, but it would be hellish to organise.

No idea how you manage things like toiltets, and egress out the DRS at the end....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:18:12
I was thinking the same but if the "2 metre" rule is still in place then I reckon we would only be allowed around 2500 in the stadium if you base all four stands on approx capacity and divide by 6.

1m? As the thread diminishes surely we could Accommodate a few more souls. There is the bank to utilise and if no away fans till say after Christmas then we could feasibly manage 5k.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:29:30
1m? As the thread diminishes surely we could Accommodate a few more souls. There is the bank to utilise and if no away fans till say after Christmas then we could feasibly manage 5k.

If 1 metre allows 5000 including the bank is feasible which wouldn't be disastrous but obviously not ideal   


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:29:40
That’s Scousers for you. Birth certificate comeS with a lifetime membership to National I’m a victim over something club.

People from the Wirral are as scouse as you are from Oxford.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:35:58
You can have people of the same household sit together without social distancing, but it would be hellish to organise.

No idea how you manage things like toiltets, and egress out the DRS at the end....

Egress would have to be done in stages, so would require lots of stewards.... getting in would possibly be more of a problem


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:45:14
Social distancing isn’t going to be practical forever in many different aspects of life IMO, football included. In 6/9/12 months time if a vaccine isn’t imminent then we will just have to live with the risk.

It’s been 3 months and people are fed up, give it 6 months and very few will give a shit about the rules


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:45:36
Egress would have to be done in stages, so would require lots of stewards.... getting in would possibly be more of a problem

Lets be honest, it isn't going to happen for the simple reason that human beings cannot be trusted not to act like complete bell ends.

Christ, they opened the tips up here and users couldn't be trusted to social distance and managed to get into altercations with both each other and staff who tried to enforce it, I can just imagine 5000 people, many with a drink inside them, being told to wait to enter/exit let alone managing their visits to the toilet!

Will be even worse if their team has lost.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 5, 2020, 09:54:37
Social distancing isn’t going to be practical forever in many different aspects of life IMO, football included. In 6/9/12 months time if a vaccine isn’t imminent then we will just have to live with the risk.

It’s been 3 months and people are fed up, give it 6 months and very few will give a shit about the rules

The key point is we need to see the season start, which might require it to look a bit odd with masks distancing etc, then it can be phased to normality.  If it doesn't  start, then it is a distinct possiblity it won't ever, in the form we know it.  There will be casualities from the economic hit of this and then no deal Brexit and professional lower league football could very easily be one.  We're the only country which sort of sustains the depth of clubs, due to historic reasons, and it doesn't make much economic sense.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, June 5, 2020, 10:14:00
Totally agree, an August/September start for 20/21 is crucial in whatever form that takes


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 07:43:27
I see the Old Firm want to put their ‘B’ teams into the lower Scottish leagues in return for buying tickets when they play away and lump sums to clubs.

Sign of things to come?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 08:18:14
If 1 metre allows 5000 including the bank is feasible which wouldn't be disastrous but obviously not ideal   

I think you could do it comfortably, as households don't need to social distance.  How many fans live with out fans, it has to be quite a few?  How you police it is a different matter mind.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 08:22:43
People from the Wirral are as scouse as you are from Oxford.

Disagree the Wallasey tunnel is much shorter than the distance to Oxford old chap.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 10:33:54
I'm feeling football hunger pangs this morning.  And worked out that the time since our last game is now roughly the length of the close season (early May to early Aug).  Maybe the football alarm clock is ringing?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 11:03:03
Alarm is about right!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 11:17:43
I'm feeling football hunger pangs this morning.  And worked out that the time since our last game is now roughly the length of the close season (early May to early Aug).  Maybe the football alarm clock is ringing?

We need some transfer gossip then :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 11:35:29
Yates has signed deal at Rotherham according to RW. Whether thats them taking an option up or not i dont know


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 11:39:10
Yates has signed deal at Rotherham according to RW. Whether thats them taking an option up or not i dont know


If they eventually do get promoted it's hard to see him getting games in the championship maybe just protecting their asset


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 12:08:53

If they eventually do get promoted it's hard to see him getting games in the championship maybe just protecting their asset
Absolutely agree.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 12:51:42
September 30th mooted as a possible start date for next season.

Need fans back by then or it ain’t going to happen


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 13:00:28
Not a chance of that happening, to put into perspective were making preliminary plans to maybe go back to the office 1st September with 20% capacity. And that's only if things improve, and it's unlikely they will. Juxtapose that method to sports. virtually impossible.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 13:06:48
How big is your office compared to a football ground?
Is your office outdoors?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, June 6, 2020, 15:12:34
RE: Yates. Surely just Rotherham doing the sensible thing and ensuring they get a good transfer fee for him when he signs for us, instead of him leaving on a free. He's 24 in November.

Cue us getting him on another season long* and then signing him on a free the following year  :D







*In normal circumstances/when the season begins again.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 09:20:38
Just out of interest, did anyone manage to get a refund for any away tickets that they had e.g. Walsall?

Thanks.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: molepar on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 09:31:38
Yes Bob I would be interested to know the same. I emailed the club today asking for a refund for Walsall away...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:05:34
I think my dad had bought tickets for whatever our next home game was - Crawley at home? Do you think he'll be able to get a refund for these?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:12:28
The club policy on this tickets for this season (and next) needs releasing soon.

It must be being worked on right? Other clubs have.

e.g. Walsall are refunding thier fans with individual tickets (in time)

https://www.saddlers.co.uk/news/2020/june/refund-package-confirmed-for-season-ticket-holders/

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Any supporters who have purchased individual match tickets for the remaining home and away games will be able to claim a refund as and when the Banks’s Stadium re-opens.

Some other interesting options in that link for ST holders. One hopes Town will do the similar..


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:16:41
Walsall are refunding thier fans with individual tickets (in time)

https://www.saddlers.co.uk/news/2020/june/refund-package-confirmed-for-season-ticket-holders/

Some other interesting options in that link for ST holders. One hopes Town will do the similar..
Indeed. Obviously there will be some people who have been hit hard financially by the Covid crisis and they should be able to get a refund with minimal fuss but I suspect a lot of us would rather the club kept the money (so we can increase the chances of keeping the club) so would be good to see some kind of option for that. Like the idea of, say, 25% off next season's shirt as I suspect that would cost the club very little in real terms given the horrendous markups on replica kit, but still enable fans to see some value for their donation.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:25:31
Anything like refunds will means bringing ticket office staff off furlough, so I'd imagine that'll only happen when we start selling STs for next season again.

I'm £600 down on hospitality with Macc on the last day. Of all the clubs to try and get money back from....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:31:33
Anything like refunds will means bringing ticket office staff off furlough, so I'd imagine that'll only happen when we start selling STs for next season again.

Yeah, I guess that's what Walsall mean when they say 'when the stadium opens'. Seems fair enough. October will be crunch time though good lord I hope we get into football before then.

Quote
I'm £600 down on hospitality with Macc on the last day. Of all the clubs to try and get money back from....

Oh.. Good luck. You didn't pay on Credit Card did you?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:39:33
Just to clarify. The financial future of the club is more important than a refund for match tickets that are not 'life or death' for us. If we have to wait until after October or whenever the club is ready then so be it.

I was just interested in what the club were doing/likely to do.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:40:13
Yeah, I guess that's what Walsall mean when they say 'when the stadium opens'. Seems fair enough. October will be crunch time though good lord I hope we get into football before then.

Oh.. Good luck. You didn't pay on Credit Card did you?

Funnily enough, they didn't accept payment by card. Bank transfer only.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:43:49
Just to clarify. The financial future of the club is more important than a refund for match tickets that are not 'life or death' for us. If we have to wait until after October or whenever the club is ready then so be it.

I was just interested in what the club were doing/likely to do.
Absolutely, but, I think fans are well within their supporters rights to want a refund for away match day ticket refunds as its not our club that has grabbed the money.

As for ticket refunds with our own club then thats is an entirely individual basis IMO.

Some fans can easly accept the loss and can basically afford to write it off, some fans with low paid jobs and being furloughed or worse, may well be in a situation that they could do with the money back.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 10:48:07
Anything like refunds will means bringing ticket office staff off furlough, so I'd imagine that'll only happen when we start selling STs for next season again.

I'm £600 down on hospitality with Macc on the last day. Of all the clubs to try and get money back from....

Ouch, suspect you've got the proverbial 2 Hopes there


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:13:15
Funnily enough, they didn't accept payment by card. Bank transfer only.
Ouch.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:25:11
Bog standard consumer advice is use credit cards where you can


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:27:01
Funnily enough, they didn't accept payment by card. Bank transfer only.

Sadly I assume your cash has gone the same way as the cash the Supporters Trust lent them.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:37:54
Quote from: JBZ
Bog standard consumer advice is use credit cards where you can

but he couldn't.

but if a bugger but the game was probably safe until covid came along


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:38:46
Quote from: Bob's Orange
Just to clarify. The financial future of the club is more important than a refund for match tickets that are not 'life or death' for us. If we have to wait until after October or whenever the club is ready then so be it.

I was just interested in what the club were doing/likely to do.
as said, that's fine and dandy for those of us still in work.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:38:59
I’m starting to think crowds will be back at games next season much sooner than we expect. With talk of the 2 metre guidance being reduced I wouldn’t be surprised if crowds are back probably with restricted capacities around September time.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:42:14
Assuming we haven't had another spike in the meantime


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:45:20
Quote
I’m starting to think crowds will be back at games next season much sooner than we expect. With talk of the 2 metre guidance being reduced I wouldn’t be surprised if crowds are back probably with restricted capacities around September time.
I think<2m in small groups is a lot different to 7000 in a sporting arena!

things change pretty fast though. Spain are in a hundred (s) of new cases a day  now from the several thousand


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 11:49:08
I’m starting to think crowds will be back at games next season much sooner than we expect. With talk of the 2 metre guidance being reduced I wouldn’t be surprised if crowds are back probably with restricted capacities around September time.
Change that to end of Sept and I wouldn't be surprised. Think my main bet is still on Jan and don't think it's likely to be properly safe until then but given how utterly reckless the govt have been in their treatment of health vs economy throughout this (to the very great detriment of both), they'll be pushing to get everything back to normal ASAP. So my bet would be either season starts late Sept BCD but no crowds until Jan or season restarts in front of crowds late Sept but is then put on hold again in Jan when we get a second (or third or whatever) wave combined with usual winter ailments.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 12:48:28
I think<2m in small groups is a lot different to 7000 in a sporting arena!

things change pretty fast though. Spain are in a hundred (s) of new cases a day  now from the several thousand
I did say restricted capacity, I just think with the existential threat to clubs, the economy and the perception of people needing some positivity by end of September some allowance for fans will be made.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: michael on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 12:57:38
Social distancing must put an extreme stress on fire safety protocols in stadiums. If you're in the back row of the Shrivvy Road stand you already find the floodlights being switched off before you make it down to the concourse, imagine if it was single file with any kind of gap between each person!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 13:45:57
Social distancing must put an extreme stress on fire safety protocols in stadiums. If you're in the back row of the Shrivvy Road stand you already find the floodlights being switched off before you make it down to the concourse, imagine if it was single file with any kind of gap between each person!

And leaving the lights on longer to enable fans to leave safely will wack the electricity bill up :hmmm:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 15:57:49
And leaving the lights on longer to enable fans to leave safely will wack the electricity bill up :hmmm:
The floodlights illuminate the pitch, they don't help fans leave safely. The lights in the concourses etc would still need to be on


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 16:08:44
The floodlights illuminate the pitch, they don't help fans leave safely. The lights in the concourses etc would still need to be on

It's still safer with them on tho


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 16:33:58
And leaving the lights on longer to enable fans to leave safely will wack the electricity bill up :hmmm:

Never understand why clubs like us who still have floodlight towers don't just whop a wind turbine on the top to power the lights and raise a few quid?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 16:42:19
Quote from: horlock07
Never understand why clubs like us who still have floodlight towers don't just whop a wind turbine on the top to power the lights and raise a few quid?[/quote]

we've got led bulbs blow haven't we?

the turbine  ROI would take an extremely long time. plus you'd need big  batteries. plus you'd probably create lots of bitter Tranmere Congress when they fail...


it wasn't a serious point, was it


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 16:46:02
Never understand why clubs like us who still have floodlight towers don't just whop a wind turbine on the top to power the lights and raise a few quid?

we've got led bulbs blow haven't we?

the turbine  ROI would take an extremely long time.
Be about 3 weeks with our wind tunnel surely?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 16:55:55
we've got led bulbs blow haven't we?
the turbine  ROI would take an extremely long time. plus you'd need big  batteries. plus you'd probably create lots of bitter Tranmere Congress when they fail...

it wasn't a serious point, was it

Not really no, at least short term, as a longer term thing when clubs are desperately trying to raise cash who knows, I know from experience a huge amount of the cost of wind turbines relates to infrastructure associated with them (And don't get me started on the environmental harm of the huge amounts of concrete used!) , clubs already have a bloody high tower, use it  ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 17:15:56
Should have some form of device that is powered by speech to run everything.

Just perch football phil next to it


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 17:29:21
Going back to refunds - Keeping the cash if they can will be vital for the club (obviously as others have said there will be individual fans whose need is to have the cash back because of reduced income / lost jobs etc.
Alternatives to refunds could include - for individual home tickets, the club could offer the option of a ticket for a game in 20/21 once fans are allowed back.
For ST holders, a credit against the cost of next year’s ST could be offered, or free I-follow until fans are allowed back.
For those (like me) who renewed in the first “window” they could offer the option of extra tickets free or even a discount on the 21/22 ST, which would also reflect those 20/21 games Played behind closed doors.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 17:32:50
Never understand why clubs like us who still have floodlight towers don't just whop a wind turbine on the top to power the lights and raise a few quid?

There is s shed load of roof space just begging for a Solar farm as well.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 18:01:53
I emailed regarding getting a refund for away game tickets and got a stock ‘staff are on furlough at this time’ email


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 20:51:04
As sad as it will be our floodlight pylons must approaching the end of their usable lifespan now. The national grid are starting the long process of removing and replacing pylons due to them coming to the end of their life and I doubt ours are much newer.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 21:38:36
Let pylons be pylons.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 21:43:37
Let pylons be pylons.

Not bad.

So you can be human?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 23:28:27
I love the pylons, a marker when in different parts of town.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, June 12, 2020, 06:21:04
There was the guy (late 90s / early noughites?) who did a zip-wire from the top of one of the pylons to the centre circle before kick-off. He was travelling so fast head first I didn't think he was going to stop. It could have been the start to Swindon's tube system.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, June 12, 2020, 08:39:47
Anyone remember that guy that climbed on top of the Town End mid game against Tranmere or someone in around 2005?

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 12, 2020, 08:43:09
I remember a town fan got in the tree behind the bank to goad rovers fans when they had the corner, eventually got nicked.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 12, 2020, 08:54:39
Anyone remember that guy that climbed on top of the Town End mid game against Tranmere or someone in around 2005?

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

THink it may have been v Yeovil... fucking idiot, we were winning at the time, and there had been a game where it was abandoned for similar, that may have involved Tranny.  Should have got a kicking from the TE.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, June 12, 2020, 09:00:42
Got kicked out originally didnt he i think


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, June 12, 2020, 09:45:02
I remember a town fan got in the tree behind the bank to goad rovers fans when they had the corner, eventually got nicked.
Remember when some town fans climbed up the back of the Stratton Bank, from outside,  and set fire to a shitheads BCFC flag that was hung on the fence.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 12, 2020, 09:48:32
Similar when we played the gas pre season one year. A gas head put his flag up on the side fence next to the bank, someone managed to reach through and tear it down. Then proceeded to shred it in front of the bloke. He was a bit upset.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, June 12, 2020, 12:27:33
There was the guy (late 90s / early noughites?) who did a zip-wire from the top of one of the pylons to the centre circle before kick-off. He was travelling so fast head first I didn't think he was going to stop. It could have been the start to Swindon's tube system.

Wasn’t it Rockin’ Robin who did this. When he went from the fat Robin in a Town kit, to the streamline slightly super hero looking one?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, June 12, 2020, 12:50:06
Similar when we played the gas pre season one year. A gas head put his flag up on the side fence next to the bank, someone managed to reach through and tear it down. Then proceeded to shred it in front of the bloke. He was a bit upset.

What year did we play gas in pre season as I only remember playing City in 1980


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 12, 2020, 13:14:08
It was definitely Rovers. It might have been a minor cup game as there weren't many there


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 12, 2020, 13:30:03
Don't think in my time watching Swindon (1974 on) that we have ever played Rovers in a home friendly, we have played the slavers 3 or 4 times in that time though at home.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, June 12, 2020, 13:33:14
I watched us play Rovers at the CG in a reserve game and Michael Timlin lobbed the keeper with a chip shot from about 35 yards out.

One of the best goals I’ve seen at the CG.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, June 12, 2020, 14:57:01
Wasn’t it Rockin’ Robin who did this. When he went from the fat Robin in a Town kit, to the streamline slightly super hero looking one?
I think you could be correct.


Title: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 12, 2020, 16:03:58
I remember the zip line. impressive

do you remember the paratroopers coming in one seasons end?

they really hit the ground hard.

I guess they would, what with the wind tunnel


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 12, 2020, 16:56:17
Don't think in my time watching Swindon (1974 on) that we have ever played Rovers in a home friendly, we have played the slavers 3 or 4 times in that time though at home.

It was pre DRS, between 1990 and 1994. Lord knows what game it was then.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 12, 2020, 17:02:08
so the playoffs  dates have been set.

unfortunately for the Pic, two of theirs have the pox. wtf happens now?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Friday, June 12, 2020, 17:19:15
THink it may have been v Yeovil... fucking idiot, we were winning at the time, and there had been a game where it was abandoned for similar, that may have involved Tranny.  Should have got a kicking from the TE.

It was against yeovil , I remember it vividly as it’s the first time I took my brother in law to the county ground. He loved it as not only the incident you speak Of but it was also the infamous tea towel sending off of sodje. Ruthlessly harangued by the whole stadium until his frustration boiled over and he lashed out at Fallon. Sent off to the chant of “ you’ll never wear it again”


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 12, 2020, 17:25:50
Quote from: tans
Anyone remember that guy that climbed on top of the Town End mid game against Tranmere or someone in around 2005?

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


"fathers for justice" was the chant.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 12, 2020, 17:35:30
It was pre DRS, between 1990 and 1994. Lord knows what game it was then.

Ah, it was shitty. Pre season just before the prem.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, June 12, 2020, 18:27:53
Ah, it was shitty. Pre season just before the prem.

Steve White testimonial game?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 12, 2020, 18:50:52
Steve White testimonial game?
That was the 7th August 93, if that ties in, I stewarded the game but have little memory of it.

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?Friendly=YES&MatchID=1994902000


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Friday, June 12, 2020, 18:52:42
Were they playing in that horrible Purple and Lime Green number, if so I remember going to that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 12, 2020, 18:55:10
Were they playing in that horrible Purple and Lime Green number, if so I remember going to that.
They definately wore that obnoxious kit for the league game the preceding season when we beat them 2-1 in March of 93.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ0saMvXiXE


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Friday, June 12, 2020, 19:19:03
As other teams' kits go, I thought that this kit was alright.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 12, 2020, 19:33:19
That was the 7th August 93, if that ties in, I stewarded the game but have little memory of it.

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?Friendly=YES&MatchID=1994902000

That was it, the guy getting his flag torn down had a proper wurzel Bristol accent and the guy doing the tearing was taking the piss. Then lots of we are premier league chants, then we lost  ::)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Friday, June 12, 2020, 19:38:58
When you look at the line-up for out first game of the 03/94 season, in hindsight,the writing was on the wall.  We played our first away game in the top league without a left back, had lost Hoddle and Calderwood and played three central strikers!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, June 12, 2020, 20:20:17
I remember the game.  Fjortoft scored and then stopped scoring.  It spawned the 'I've seen Fjortoft scored badges that were given away with, I think the '69'er mag.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, June 12, 2020, 21:17:09
Don't think in my time watching Swindon (1974 on) that we have ever played Rovers in a home friendly, we have played the slavers 3 or 4 times in that time though at home.

Why is it that Bristol City got stuck with the Slave Traders tag, and Rovers didn't?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, June 12, 2020, 21:41:58
Why is it that Bristol City got stuck with the Slave Traders tag, and Rovers didn't?

Because pirates weren't involved in the slave trade?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: suttonred on Friday, June 12, 2020, 21:47:46
Except they were!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, June 12, 2020, 21:52:59
Except they were!

As I've just discovered and now I'm going down the rabbit hole!

In some cases liberators, in some cases murderers. Black pirates, barbary pirates taking English slaves.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, June 13, 2020, 12:35:18
I remember the zip line. impressive

do you remember the paratroopers coming in one seasons end?

they really hit the ground hard.

I guess they would, what with the wind tunnel
I remember the paratroopers.

I also enjoyed when the Red Arrows have flown over disregarding the blue smoke, and just using the Red & White, Red & White, Red & White, White, White.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 14, 2020, 02:04:22
12 September being mooted as a likely start date for next season. Apparently, that’s the latest it can start and still fulfill all the usual fixtures - league and cups. I’d imagine the League Cup would be ditched if it can’t start on that date.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Sunday, June 14, 2020, 04:45:28
Surely this is the idea time to scrap the Football League Trophy.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 14, 2020, 12:56:13
Quote from: Valid Pint
Surely this is the idea time to scrap the Football League Trophy.

it's the one competition where they could safely social distance the crowd


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, June 14, 2020, 12:58:52
it's the one competition where they could safely social distance the crowd
Been doing that for the last few seasons without the need for a virus.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, June 14, 2020, 20:58:29
12 September being mooted as a likely start date for next season. Apparently, that’s the latest it can start and still fulfill all the usual fixtures - league and cups. I’d imagine the League Cup would be ditched if it can’t start on that date.

Would be very interesting to see how the injury rate is affected taking something like 10% off the length of the season.  Better funded teams with larger squads would definitely have an advantage.

The cricket boys might not like it, but would there be much of a problem if the season was scheduled to finish a few weeks later...say, early June?  Have the Euros been delayed to 2021, or just cancelled?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, June 14, 2020, 21:27:32
Would be very interesting to see how the injury rate is affected taking something like 10% off the length of the season.  Better funded teams with larger squads would definitely have an advantage.

The cricket boys might not like it, but would there be much of a problem if the season was scheduled to finish a few weeks later...say, early June?  Have the Euros been delayed to 2021, or just cancelled?

Will it make much difference as don't forget years ago the FA Cup matches were replayed until there was a result and not on penalty shoot outs plus they had smaller squads and less subs


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 15, 2020, 19:12:28
South Shields have had their legal challenge to the FA's decision to void leagues at Step 3 and below dismissed. Presumably they can appeal further if they wish (and can afford it)

https://www.blackstonechambers.com/news/south-shields-football-club-1888-limited-v-football-association-limited/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, June 15, 2020, 19:28:14
Tranmere looking at suing the EFL.

So, furlough the staff, make 20 redundant and have the funds for a legal challenge that they wont win.

Makes sense


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, June 15, 2020, 21:08:48
Tranmere looking at suing the EFL.

So, furlough the staff, make 20 redundant and have the funds for a legal challenge that they wont win.

Makes sense

My thoughts too!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Monday, June 15, 2020, 21:35:09
My thoughts too!
Haven't got a chance, it was voted through


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Christy on Monday, June 15, 2020, 22:09:31
It was against yeovil , I remember it vividly as...”
I remember it vividly as 27th August 2005, as I’d got married in the morning. Can’t remember why I sat in the North Stand though.  Same weekend as the Trent Bridge test in the epic Ashes series too.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 13:44:18
This (and the subsequent two episodes) has been quite an interesting listen.

https://stakhanov.studio/episodes/the-return-of-the-premier-league-%E2%80%93-episode-1-how-we-got-here/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 16:23:00
I remember it vividly as 27th August 2005, as I’d got married in the morning. Can’t remember why I sat in the North Stand though.
Hang on, you got married in the morning and went to a Town game in the afternoon? That's one hell of a wife* you've got there!



*(or husband, tbf as I don't know your gender/orientation!)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 17:04:07
I remember it vividly as 27th August 2005, as I’d got married in the morning. Can’t remember why I sat in the North Stand though.  Same weekend as the Trent Bridge test in the epic Ashes series too.

I don't think I've ever been more impressed by anything.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Christy on Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 22:52:14
I don't think I've ever been more impressed by anything.

A wise old head on young shoulders once told me to get married around a memorable sporting event, for it would make remembering anniversaries etc so much the easier.  Some might think the Ashes building to a crescendo would be enough: watching Swindon v Yeovil that day trumps it for me though.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 09:35:08
I don't think it was remotely planned, but my brother got married on the day we thumped Germany 5-1 in 2001 so that day was quite memorable.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 09:42:27
Our boy was born by cesarean. We were given a range of days for him to be born on.

One of them was Mayday. I chose that day so he'd have a day off on his birthday, and because it will be easy for me to remember.

I still forget. In my defence, it's fuckwittery rather than bad parenting - I've even been known to forget my own birthday.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 09:49:07
A wise old head on young shoulders once told me to get married around a memorable sporting event, for it would make remembering anniversaries etc so much the easier.  Some might think the Ashes building to a crescendo would be enough: watching Swindon v Yeovil that day trumps it for me though.

I got married on the day of the reinstate Macari game v Sarfend.  Looking in advance it was near the end of a season going nowhere much, (pre PO's) so didn't seem to matter much.... turned out to be a historic occasion, backing up the advice you were given.

More difficult but worth having a similar thing for the missus' birthday.... you can still be required to know such information even if divorced for pension claims and other legal stuff.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:07:18
One of them was Mayday. I chose that day so he'd have a day off on his birthday, and because it will be easy for me to remember.


Am I being dumb here (entirely possibly) but his birthday (may day) will change day throughout his life, so unless he was going to work straight out the womb I am not sure what this achieved?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:08:48
Mayday is May 1st every year isn't it?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:10:06
Am I being dumb here (entirely possibly) but his birthday (may day) will change day throughout his life, so unless he was going to work straight out the womb I am not sure what this achieved?

You're thinking of the early May bank holiday


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:12:30
Am I being dumb here (entirely possibly) but his birthday (may day) will change day throughout his life, so unless he was going to work straight out the womb I am not sure what this achieved?

May day is a public holiday. In Thailand, that falls on the 1st May. As it does in most other places.

Every year, his birthday (1st May) will be on a public holiday. Ergo, he has a day off on his birthday.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:15:01
May day is a public holiday. In Thailand, that falls on the 1st May. As it does in most other places.

Every year - his birthday (1st May) will be on a public holiday. Ergo, he has a day off on his birthday.

Ah so bank holidays don't wander about like they do in the UK, makes sense now.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bedford Red on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 11:57:18
I got married on the day of the reinstate Macari game v Sarfend.  Looking in advance it was near the end of a season going nowhere much, (pre PO's) so didn't seem to matter much.... turned out to be a historic occasion, backing up the advice you were given.


Lou sat about 4 rows behind me for that game, he came in about 4 minutes after kick off and the game just about stopped when he did, everyone applauded him.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 13:22:58
I chose 30th September 2000 - the year helps  as well as the date being the last day in a month - we played Wigan at home that day, so did miss the game but had score updates.

I am winning 19-18 in the remembering stakes right now.

May Day is a fantastic day to be born on as well Flash, even in the UK I got a holiday near by my birthday every year - not anymore though, USA doesn't bother with it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 13:45:49
England v Sweden 2002 WC , a beer or two then got married.

I put it in my phone calendar "England v Sweden WC 2002 Anniversary" so I don't forget Sols header and bloody Alexandersson


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 16:11:49
My Geburtstag is Boxing Day or St Stephen's Day. Pretty difficult one to forget even if the excuse is because it's Christmas.

I'm quite happy that I've never spent Boxing Day pointlessly wandering around a sofa or carpet shop or eagerly looking for discounted shoes  :no:

Still have never (due to geography) never seen Town play on my Birthday. Have also yet to marry, if ever.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: DV Canio on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 16:25:37
Swindon lost to Oxford on my wedding day.

Which was obviously booked long before the fixtures came out & quite honestly I didn’t really give a fuck about STFC at the time.

I more so remember my Wedding anniversary because we flew to the Maldives the following day which was September the 11th, not the September the 11th obviously...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 17:09:33
NEW: Oliver Dowden says the government’s hope is that some football fans will be able to attend live matches from the start of next season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 17:25:38
NEW: Oliver Dowden says the government’s hope is that some football fans will be able to attend live matches from the start of next season.

The thought has occured that English football fans will be trying all sorts of dodgy ways to see games technically bcd. Are the Div 3 and 4 PO's being held at the grounds of the clubs or neutral venues, because it'll be easy for Oxford fans and Cobblers fans to watch from outside?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 18:00:02
Being played at the clubs' own grounds....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 18:00:08
Is there an amended date for the release of the 2020/21 fixtures


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 18:59:35
Barrows promotion confirmed


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 19:03:30
good. they deserve it


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 22:26:03
And we have still beaten all the other 91 teams.  Only ones!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 18, 2020, 09:35:20
Is there an amended date for the release of the 2020/21 fixtures

We don't even know who the 72 clubs will be.

I've seen a target date of September 12th to restart so maybe early August?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 18, 2020, 10:16:42
FA now talking about crowds being allowed back "in some form" as early as Sept. Seems to depend on "traffic plans" within stadiums and cutting down unnecessary travel so no away fans at a guess?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, June 18, 2020, 10:31:43
We don't even know who the 72 clubs will be.

I've seen a target date of September 12th to restart so maybe early August?

I did put amended date! I didn't know if they had said how long after the play offs had finished


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, June 19, 2020, 21:22:41
Looks like Stevenage down and Macc stay up

https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/19.06.20-independent-arbitration-panel-outcome/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Friday, June 19, 2020, 22:19:22
Stevenage were absolutely dire but, boy oh boy, Macclesfield have gotten away with that*

* For now.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 20, 2020, 10:07:45
Stevenage were absolutely dire but, boy oh boy, Macclesfield have gotten away with that*

* For now.
Indeed, if Macc last the Summer that will be an achievement.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Saturday, June 20, 2020, 11:07:59
Aren't we still a club short?


Title: Re: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, June 20, 2020, 11:34:18
Aren't we still a club short?
The National League play offs are going ahead, so 1 (Stevenage) are going down but 2 (Barrow + AN Other) are coming up.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 20, 2020, 11:37:28
The National League play offs are going ahead, so 1 (Stevenage) are going down but 2 (Barrow + AN Other) are coming up.
Yep, they havent set a date to start the play offs on yet.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Saturday, June 20, 2020, 14:32:23
The National League play offs are going ahead, so 1 (Stevenage) are going down but 2 (Barrow + AN Other) are coming up.

Cheers Horlock.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 22, 2020, 18:26:17
Not sure which thread to post it in but the Exeter v Colchester PO game is now 2-0 to Exeter which puts Exeter 2-1 up on agg. with about 40 mins left.

Colchester keeper Gerkin made one fantastic save from a free kick and then lets in possibly THE softest goal I have seen all season under his body. That goal was entirely down to him.

Again not a lot of skill in this game so far but it is a better game than the dreary 1st leg.

Exeter definatel shading it on possession and quality, Colchesters final ball has been pretty awful from crosses and set peices so far.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 22, 2020, 18:40:44
2-1 now another bit of poor keeping this time by the exeter keeper Grizzly Adams making it 2-2 on agg. 10 mins normal time left.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 22, 2020, 18:42:44
Been an enjoyable game this. Colchester look dangerous now, are Exeter tiring?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, June 22, 2020, 18:44:22
Been an enjoyable game this. Colchester look dangerous now, are Exeter tiring?

When are the league one play offs


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 22, 2020, 18:54:20
When are the league one play offs
July.
Been an enjoyable game this. Colchester look dangerous now, are Exeter tiring?
Its been better this 2nd half for sure. Exeter need to make some subs now.

Colchesters final ball has been terrible for almost the entire game and Nouble is a donkey.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:05:11
When are the league one play offs

Give up, when are the league one play offs?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:06:12
Rather have Nouble than Bowman, though.

Exeter are tired and resorting to the hoof. Colchester are better at that. Fancy them to win it now.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:18:25
Give up, when are the league one play offs?


Just seen it. 3rd & 6th July with the final on the 13th July


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:21:55
I liked the camera panning in on frank nouble as he very audibly shouts ‘fuck off cunt’

Colchester look like the better side from what I’ve seen


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:25:08
Rather have Nouble than Bowman, though.

Exeter are tired and resorting to the hoof. Colchester are better at that. Fancy them to win it now.
Well jinxed that!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: REDBUCK on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:25:15
Anymore pearls of wisdom :-)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:33:50
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey

Exeter are tired and resorting to the hoof. Colchester are better at that. Fancy them to win it now.
please can you tip Oxford to go through

#hindSight


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:37:34
please can you tip Oxford to go through

#hindSight
I do fancy Oxford to beat Pompey and none of their players will get sent off either.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:39:40
Rather have Nouble than Bowman, though.

I know he brings something else other goals what with his physical presence but 47 goals in 343 games suggests Nouble is stealing a living


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Banker on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:41:21
Much better  :nod:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:52:32
I know he brings something else other goals what with his physical presence but 47 goals in 343 games suggests Nouble is stealing a living
To be fair, he did change the game when he came off the bench when we played them in Jan. Caused all sorts of problems which they'd not done up to that point.

Much better  :nod:
I hope you do it. There's every chance you'd have grabbed one of the autos if the season had been played out.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, June 22, 2020, 19:52:40
Meanwhile...Hussey / Tozer / Thomas v McCormack / Williams / Smith just kicked off...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 10:08:00
I hope you do it. There's every chance you'd have grabbed one of the autos if the season had been played out.
Have to agree. Certainly the best side of the 4 IMO


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 10:12:03
Hoping Exeter join us. Nice club, and they've been so close in recent years I feel like they deserve it.

FWIW I have a feeling if the season had continued, Cheltenham may have nicked the final auto spot... But I guess we'll never know!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 26, 2020, 16:25:15
This is what a socially distant football crowd looks like in Denmark (Brondby):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebb4FksXgAAsmZ1?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebb4Fn0WsAMh3I1?format=jpg&name=small)

On a quick top of my head count, that looks like about 20-25% of capacity. Not sure how financially viable it would be to restart here with that low attendances, I reckon you'd get most but not all of the season ticket holders in and no walk-up sales.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 26, 2020, 16:28:15
I reckon we'd have just given up on social distancing by the time the season starts if there's not a 2nd wave. It looks as though the country has all but given up anyway.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 29, 2020, 12:24:13
FA anticipating £300m loss as a result of COVID, announcing 124 redundancies as a result.

http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/jun/29/fa-ceo-update-on-covid-19-impact-290620


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, June 29, 2020, 12:56:02
It is going to be difficult to find new bribes sources of income to cover that


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, June 29, 2020, 13:28:26
This is what a socially distant football crowd looks like in Denmark (Brondby):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebb4FksXgAAsmZ1?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebb4Fn0WsAMh3I1?format=jpg&name=small)

On a quick top of my head count, that looks like about 20-25% of capacity. Not sure how financially viable it would be to restart here with that low attendances, I reckon you'd get most but not all of the season ticket holders in and no walk-up sales.
If it happens it would get done the same as cinemas are going to do it I’d imagine. Can book in groups/families and sit next to each other and then there will be the gap around you. That would probably get us to 50% capacity or so.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, June 29, 2020, 14:59:42
Those pics are a bit scary!

I should imagine we would struggle to fit in anymore than ST Holders at the CG. So...thats me out.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 29, 2020, 15:01:10
Mind you, if the game is shite you could have a hand shandy and nobody would notice.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 08:44:07
Mind you, if the game is shite you could have a hand shandy and nobody would notice.
Could be a bit awkward explaining the crowd pics in the Adver though


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 08:57:44
If English football give it ago then I would guess away fans would be a temporarily  banned so Swindon could use the away end and Stratton Bank to ensure as many fans would get in.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 09:50:41
If English football give it ago then I would guess away fans would be a temporarily  banned so Swindon could use the away end and Stratton Bank to ensure as many fans would get in.
Think you're right at least at first, as one of the risk areas for transmission is people travelling from one location to another so would make sense to initially restart without away fans. Hopefully we have the away trips we're looking forward to later in the season if that is the case


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 12:47:03
If English football give it ago then I would guess away fans would be a temporarily  banned so Swindon could use the away end and Stratton Bank to ensure as many fans would get in.

If Coronavirus doesn't get you, dysentery from the Stratton Bank toilets will (that or hypothermia)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: sir windon on Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 23:08:07
This is what a socially distant football crowd looks like in Denmark (Brondby):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebb4FksXgAAsmZ1?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebb4Fn0WsAMh3I1?format=jpg&name=small)

On a quick top of my head count, that looks like about 20-25% of capacity. Not sure how financially viable it would be to restart here with that low attendances, I reckon you'd get most but not all of the season ticket holders in and no walk-up sales.

Looks like an average game at The Pox.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 02:14:36
...one location to another so would make sense to initially restart without away fans.

Fuck knows what Coventry fans do then ;)

Could be a bit awkward explaining the crowd pics in the Adver though

Cum on Paul. That's what those big handy flags are for. DWS's - Discretionary Wank Screens  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 06:45:12
EFL meeting today. Wage caps. Timescale for a return to games. How to get fans in attendance.

Not expecting much.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 08:22:54
EFL meeting today. Wage caps. Timescale for a return to games. How to get fans in attendance.

Not expecting much.

Ive seen the statement already.

‘Today the EFL have had a meeting to discuss wage-caps and feasibility of planning the start of next season. Discussions have been made, and as such, a meeting is planned in 4 weeks time to discuss todays meeting.

Haha unlucky Tranmere.

Kind regards

The EFL’


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 08:39:20
4 weeks? How do clubs plan recruitment without knowing if there’s a wage cap


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 09:00:59
I made that up however i suspect the statement will be something of that ilk


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 10:05:58
I’ve heard that these are the proposals

"Any L1 player next season who were under contract prior to the salary cap will be incorporated into it as a divisional average wage rather than their actual wage (that will of course balance out over the first two or three years as new contracts are signed). Any player under contract from a relegated Championship Club will be costed in at the higher end of the scale. Haven't heard enough about what they'd do with players who would comfortably fit in with the salary cap, the focus seems to be more on who would become the higher earners who already have deals."


"A five per cent ‘overrun facility’ to be included allowing clubs to breach the cap by a small margin, but with a spending tax to be imposed on those who exceed the buffer. The tax would be on a sliding scale - 50p for every £1 overspend up to £600,000, £1 for every £1 from £600,000-£900,000 and £3 for every £1 over £900,000 - and the money shared equally between Championship clubs complying with the cap."


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 10:26:46
That's what those big handy flags are for. DWS's - Discretionary Wank Screens  :soapy tit wank:
I mean, I'm as excited about getting back to League 1 as anyone but I'm not sure I'll be *that* excited


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 12:25:09
Quote from: tans
I made that up however i suspect the statement will be something of that ilk

the "haha unlucky Tranmere" was the tell


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 15:28:54
I mean, I'm as excited about getting back to League 1 as anyone but I'm not sure I'll be *that* excited

Well Aud seemed to be  :D


the "haha unlucky Tranmere" was the tell

Yeah, it was really tough to figure out Tans sarcasm in that one  ;)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 15:31:05
"A five per cent ‘overrun facility’ to be included allowing clubs to breach the cap by a small margin, but with a spending tax to be imposed on those who exceed the buffer. The tax would be on a sliding scale - 50p for every £1 overspend up to £600,000, £1 for every £1 from £600,000-£900,000 and £3 for every £1 over £900,000 - and the money shared equally between Championship clubs complying with the cap."

This sort of idea isn't a bad one actually, provides some scope for big spending owners to be able to buy a bit more success, but benefits everyone a bit if they choose to do.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 17:12:01
Well Aud seemed to be  :D
yeah when I said I was as excited as anyone, perhaps not *everyone*


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 20:16:21
Proposed dates for new season

Plan 1 29 August

Plan 2 12 September

Nothing as yet about fans attending


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: molepar on Thursday, July 2, 2020, 08:35:16
Where did you hear this?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 2, 2020, 08:38:41
They need to start getting their act together and make a fucking decision. We're approaching the time when clubs will need to be planning pre-season and getting a squad together.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, July 2, 2020, 08:52:42
Proposed dates for new season

Plan 1 29 August

Plan 2 12 September

Nothing as yet about fans attending
The article I read definitely says 'behind closed doors'.   I guess this is the norm now UFN.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 2, 2020, 08:55:05
They need to start getting their act together and make a fucking decision. We're approaching the time when clubs will need to be planning pre-season and getting a squad together.

Indeed, and if they are going to keep dragging it out provide some form of financial assistance to clubs


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, July 2, 2020, 09:00:03
Indeed, and if they are going to keep dragging it out provide some form of financial assistance to clubs
And free beer to long suffering fans.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 2, 2020, 09:06:02
Not if its the shite they serve in the CG!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, July 2, 2020, 09:08:02
Not if its the shite they serve in the CG!
:D :D :pint: :pint:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:04:21
From a club director at the EFL meeting yesterday


"I attended an EFL meeting on Thursday and whilst we have been sworn to confidentiality, it appears that a new season date could be a lot sooner than we all feared, and potentially with crowds in some form coming back the same. I think in the next week we will be able to communicate something on this front."


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:06:56
From a club director at the EFL meeting yesterday


"I attended an EFL meeting on Thursday and whilst we have been sworn to confidentiality, it appears that a new season date could be a lot sooner than we all feared, and potentially with crowds in some form coming back the same. I think in the next week we will be able to communicate something on this front."
I think it will be rash to start anything before September if not October.

Safety first and all that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:18:20
Clubs will be folding by October. Contracting outside is a minimal risk. Get it on!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:34:04
Clubs will be folding by October. Contracting outside is a minimal risk. Get it on!
Not for fans though in close proximity to each other.

Football behind closed doors is sterile.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:34:05
... but the insides of stands, which folks have to go through to get in and out of the stadium, are not outside.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:50:22
... but the insides of stands, which folks have to go through to get in and out of the stadium, are not outside.

Could it be feasible they keep the concourses closed, and make everyone enter through the big gates at the end of the stands and then walk along the front of the stand? That way, no inside. There’s obviously the logistics of toilets etc, but could be a way of keeping everyone ‘outside.’

Admittedly this is somewhat unique to The CG, wouldn’t work everywhere.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:53:19
I’m sure there’s stuff that could be done in the concourses of the DRS and Arkells to keep some kind of distancing possible with a reduced capacity. Similarly in the Townend you could probably use the centre exit as an addition entrance to minimise congestion. If the weather is Ok there is the Bank as well, I don’t think away fans will be around for a while both to avoid travel and minimise potential trouble.
Cinemas are opening this month so I see no reason now why football can’t follow in a month or two.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 12:03:47
Quite.

We should get Jeds mate to build some outside pissers and food huts. Problem solved


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 15:54:36
The national league play off final is 2nd august.

Talk about cutting it fine if they are planning on restarting on 29th august or 12th september!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 16:46:10
Could it be feasible they keep the concourses closed, and make everyone enter through the big gates at the end of the stands and then walk along the front of the stand? That way, no inside. There’s obviously the logistics of toilets etc, but could be a way of keeping everyone ‘outside.’

Admittedly this is somewhat unique to The CG, wouldn’t work everywhere.

I never understand why everyone has to take a pi** after 45 minutes surely we all manage at home ok


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 17:06:42
I never understand why everyone has to take a pi** after 45 minutes surely we all manage at home ok

I imagine it’s the per match beer.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, July 4, 2020, 17:07:45
I imagine it’s the per match beer.

What the majority of an 8000 crowd!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 09:03:50
The Athletic are reporting that IFAB (International Football Association Board) are going to extend the 5 subs rule until the end of 2020-21.

At face value, this should result in the better squads benefitting handsomely.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 09:34:33
^^^^ I don't get why


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 09:40:23
^^^^ I don't get why
Same, it's a massive disadvantage to teams that play possession based football as well as you can't really wear teams down when they can replace half their outfield players.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 14:00:51
From the last EFL meeting.

Start date 12 September with 40% capacity increasing to full capacity in January


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 14:02:33
From the last EFL meeting.

Start date 12 September with 40% capacity increasing to full capacity in January
Sounds about right to me. Start not delayed too much all things considered and 40% is not too bad.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 14:37:57
Sounds about right to me. Start not delayed too much all things considered and 40% is not too bad.
For most L1/L2 clubs 40% is an aspiration, not a restriction :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 14:39:06
For most L1/L2 clubs 40% is an aspiration, not a restriction :)
:) true that, did you see the crowd at Pox v Pompey? appalling :D


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 14:47:05
So that will be about 6,000 for the CG.
Assuming all home fans. That should hopefully accommodate most of those who will want to go.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 14:54:49
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
From the last EFL meeting.

Start date 12 September with 40% capacity increasing to full capacity in January

where did you see this?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 15:24:03
From the last EFL meeting.

Start date 12 September with 40% capacity increasing to full capacity in January

I assume the testing requirements are going to be reduced considerably (or paid for by AN Other) or the cost of that is going to cripple many lower league clubs.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 15:30:44
For most L1/L2 clubs 40% is an aspiration, not a restriction :)

 :clap:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 16:19:00
So that will be about 6,000 for the CG.
Assuming all home fans. That should hopefully accommodate most of those who will want to go.
It would mean we would miss out on some of the better gates we could expect for some of the games, so the budget would take a bit of a hit, but certainly far more financially viable than 25% or BCD.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 17:04:02
No chance will capacity restrictions be removed by January


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 09:30:24
From the last EFL meeting.

Start date 12 September with 40% capacity increasing to full capacity in January
40% would be a start,  but how would tickets be allocated,   presume season ticket holders would take the majority of those.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:01:29
40% would be a start,  but how would tickets be allocated,   presume season ticket holders would take the majority of those.

I'd be pissed of if we didn't get priority TBH. But its not the most cash rich for the club.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:01:44
ST holders would surely get priority then it depends really on how much of those cater for the 40%. Hard to think of anything beyond a first come first serve basis (with 1 or 2 ticket restrictions per customer).

I imagine the recent lack of football might result in a bit more demand for tickets from the casual fans looking for a long awaited live football fix.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:12:39
ST holders would surely get priority then it depends really on how much of those cater for the 40%. Hard to think of anything beyond a first come first serve basis (with 1 or 2 ticket restrictions per customer).

I imagine the recent lack of football might result in a bit more demand for tickets from the casual fans looking for a long awaited live football fix.


We have a capacity of around 14,000 (I know recently it's been cited as more like 13,500 but that's with separations for away fans etc, the physical capacity is about 14,000). 40% of that is 5,600, obviously we don't know what the ST figures are but I don't think we ever reached 5,000 even with the huge drive and cheaper prices under Fitton et al. Given COVID disrupted sales, it's likely to be down even further this season so assume maybe 3-3,500 STs sold so far. That still leaves a decent amount available for walk-up.

I think you're right about extra demand due to pent-up live football frustration, but I'm assuming that no away fans will be permitted while we have this restriction in place anyway so that's an extra 3-500 available for home fans which would largely cancel that out (maybe?). So assuming average gates of around 6-7,000 (which is what we normally get in L1), there's probably about 1000 less spaces than there is demand for. Which is shit, if there's 1000 people missing out every home game (hopefully not the same 1000), but nowhere near as bad as say 20-25% would be. And importantly, albeit with an inevitable knock-on on smaller budget, should be financially viable.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:16:03
I though the official capacity was 15,700. Open up the sectioned off bit on the Bank would give more.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:22:32
I though the official capacity was 15,700. Open up the sectioned off bit on the Bank would give more.

15,728 apparently.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:23:00
Official capacity 15,728.

Actual capacity is probably nearer 14,000.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:25:50
So where’s the 1,728 gone?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:36:25
So where’s the 1,728 gone?
We had 13,095 vs Exeter, I would think there was 500+ empty seats in the Swindon ends in total and on the Stratton Bank where I think there was probably easily 600 empty seats, so I would think the actual capacity of bums on seats would be not much over 14,200 ish.

That means probably 1,400 extra capacity, lost somewhere, there is I would think around 200-300 as a cordoned off section in the Arkells between sets of fans the other missing could be the unused part on the Stratton Bank maybe?

(https://i.postimg.cc/vTXM2vcY/county-ground-adkins-family-stand.jpg)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:39:27
15,728 apparently.
Even better. 40% is 6291, so not far off what you'd expect as an average home attendance in L1 anyway. Obviously while these restrictions were in place it would mean the club would miss out on the bonus paydays where you'd expect a bigger gate, but it's doable.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:42:33
I’d imagine the club are bound to use the official capacity to get as many fans in as possible.

Our average last season was high 7000s so I’d expect that to go up. We’d be losing at least 2000+ per home game I reckon.

But still viable.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:50:05
I’d imagine the club are bound to use the official capacity to get as many fans in as possible.

Our average last season was high 7000s so I’d expect that to go up. We’d be losing at least 2000+ per home game I reckon.

But still viable.

Its going to be a financial juggling act for the clubs, its being suggested that C-19 testing is costing each Championship club c.£20k a week, so what's that over a season c.£750-800k pocket money to the PL but life or death at the lower levels.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 10:50:39
The impact on us is miniscule compared to other clubs if it it is 40%. Teams like Wimbledon, Northampton, Lincoln & Pompey are likely to have less than half their usual attendance.
On the flip side MK, Rochdale, Accrington and probably a few more when you take bumper away followings out of the equation will have capacity to spare.  


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 11:03:08
What if the 40% applies to seating only - no standing. That’s the death knell for a lot of clubs still with terracing.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 17:52:14
Assuming season ticket holders get priority, it looks like I will have go to Yeovil for some live football until things eventually get back to normal.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, July 9, 2020, 18:10:34
I saw something in Holland where they could have 30% capacity but no chanting. fine for man city but not sure how that could be enforced elsewhere!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, July 10, 2020, 07:55:23
Time for football crowds to use semaphore.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 10, 2020, 15:27:24
Info on season tickets, match ticket refunds etc to come out next week

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2020/july/supporter-communication-to-come-regarding-season-and-match-tickets/

Presume this means the club are starting to unfurlough staff?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, July 11, 2020, 15:58:01
Not sure where to put this but...what hotel are Town staying at in Marbella?  :hmmm:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-british-man-dies-marbella-22339151


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Saturday, July 11, 2020, 19:14:03
Not sure where to put this but...what hotel are Town staying at in Marbella?  :hmmm:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-british-man-dies-marbella-22339151
It says the Brit who fell was in his 50s so couldn't have been one of the team. Anyway I'm sure there are lots of hotels in Marbella!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, July 11, 2020, 19:24:12
It says the Brit who fell was in his 50s so couldn't have been one of the team. Anyway I'm sure there are lots of hotels in Marbella!

You misquote slightly (which is how whispers start)...Quote: "...thought to be roughly 50."

One of the backroom staff? Power?... :eek:


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, July 11, 2020, 19:32:40
It says the Brit who fell was in his 50s so couldn't have been one of the team. Anyway I'm sure there are lots of hotels in Marbella!

Nope there’s only 1


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, July 11, 2020, 20:56:24
Nope there’s only 1

Lolz but would be interesting if Town are staying in or near the one mentioned. It does say 5 Star. So makes the likelihood a little closer. Unless of course, Power went for the *groans heard in San Sebastian* cheap option.

I feel like trolling that group on FB but I have other stuff to do.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 12, 2020, 19:08:21
The latest rumour regarding the salary cap is that, in L1, it will be a player capped to a max of £175,000 including any of the usual bonuses..

Seems strange as some bonuses cannot be guessed in advance - goals scored, clean sheets etc.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:34:49
The latest rumour regarding the salary cap is that, in L1, it will be a player capped to a max of £175,000 including any of the usual bonuses..

Seems strange as some bonuses cannot be guessed in advance - goals scored, clean sheets etc.
Do you have a link for this Aud?

That does indeed seem a bit weird, promotions/goals/appearance bonus etc cant be taken into account before the season starts. Now if that was before bonuses I could understand it.

At league 1 level that would be roughly £3.5k pw which I would think would be a struggle for a lot of players who have been earnign way more, like Will Grigg for instance up at Sunderland.

Not against a cap in general as wages are way too high IMO for average talent players.

Also if players sign contracts before this comes in then surely the clubs will have to abide by the contract length and amount? maybe thats why clubs are trying to tie down players contracts early.

It will be very difficult to police if that is the case, some players on substantially lower contracts than players on existing contracts etc.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:38:27
An individual cap per player is absolutely ridiculous, and surely illegal. You wouldn't see it in any other industry.

A well-policed, stringent cap on % of revenue is all that's needed. No loopholes etc.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:43:28
An individual cap per player is absolutely ridiculous, and surely illegal. You wouldn't see it in any other industry.

A well-policed, stringent cap on % of revenue is all that's needed. No loopholes etc.
I agree totally, you can spend on wages what you get in, in terms of gate receipts and merchandise. Bigger clubs with bigger fanbases can then afford to pay players better contracts, its not rocket surgery is it?

Any sponsorship deals would be spent on off the field stuff at the club like ground maintenance or youth/training set ups rather than being ploughed back into player wages as it is now creating a "rich owner" syndrome at clubs like FGR, Bournemouth, Salford etc.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Tails on Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:47:27
Will the Championship get a salary cap too? I feel like it could widen the gap between the 2nd and 3rd tier... a gap that is already pretty big. I think some players would rather play some games at a Championship club for more money than be a regular at a League One club.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:48:52
Will the Championship get a salary cap too? I feel like it could widen the gap between the 2nd and 3rd tier... a gap that is already pretty big. I think some players would rather play some games at a Championship club for more money than be a regular at a League One club.
Any cap must be accross the board implimented or as you rightly state there will be a massive gulf between Championship teams hoarding talent being able to pay higher wages and sitting these players on the bench "just in case" rather than letting them develop in the lower leagues.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:59:32
Do you have a link for this Aud?

That does indeed seem a bit weird, promotions/goals/appearance bonus etc cant be taken into account before the season starts. Now if that was before bonuses I could understand it.

At league 1 level that would be roughly £3.5k pw which I would think would be a struggle for a lot of players who have been earnign way more, like Will Grigg for instance up at Sunderland.

Not against a cap in general as wages are way too high IMO for average talent players.

Also if players sign contracts before this comes in then surely the clubs will have to abide by the contract length and amount? maybe thats why clubs are trying to tie down players contracts early.

It will be very difficult to police if that is the case, some players on substantially lower contracts than players on existing contracts etc.
No link. It was a rumour in another board.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:04:47
An individual cap per player is absolutely ridiculous, and surely illegal. You wouldn't see it in any other industry.

A well-policed, stringent cap on % of revenue is all that's needed. No loopholes etc.
We have a % cap at the moment. The problem is, as you say, it's not well policed and when the league do try to enforce it or any other regulation, like the Financial Fair Play rules, clubs lawyer up. Increasingly coming to the view that football is incapable of governing it's own finances and the whole shebang (including the laughable Fit and Proper Persons - aka Owners and Directors - Test) needs to be hived off to an independent regulator. Certainly the EFL is not capable of regulating this aspect of the game. Leave the league to administer and organise the football side of things, separate out the financial administration to an independent body with expertise, experience and teeth


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:10:49
We have a % cap at the moment. The problem is, as you say, it's not well policed and when the league do try to enforce it or any other regulation, like the Financial Fair Play rules, clubs lawyer up. Increasingly coming to the view that football is incapable of governing it's own finances and the whole shebang (including the laughable Fit and Proper Persons - aka Owners and Directors - Test) needs to be hived off to an independent regulator. Certainly the EFL is not capable of regulating this aspect of the game. Leave the league to administer and organise the football side of things, separate out the financial administration to an independent body with expertise, experience and teeth
No self respecting club would challenge a FFP ruling surely? they would admit they fucked up and accept their rightful punishment?

Oh wait....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:28:49
Out of interest, are things set in stone after Bosman going to change in the UK come January 1st?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:56:16
That's a FIFA rule, not an EU law surely? You can sign someone on a Bosman from Norway....


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 13, 2020, 11:02:44
That's a FIFA rule, not an EU law surely? You can sign someone on a Bosman from Norway....

Dunno, that's why I asked, I know that the Bosman ruling was given by the ECJ and is now enshrined as part of free movement of labour, never seen any mention of it being anything to do with FIFA (or UEFA). I vaguely remember it also put the kibosh on leagues enforcing any limits on home grown players within squads in Europe?

As for Norway they (as we will if our government so chooses) have signed up to a heck of a lot of EU law in order to get access to the single market, I would assume this includes the bit that Bosman sits within.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, July 13, 2020, 11:43:28
That's a FIFA rule, not an EU law surely? You can sign someone on a Bosman from Norway....
I thought that, but a bit of research suggested otherwise


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 02:13:37
Time for football crowds to use semaphore.

Have you passed the competencies for that? Will have to provide a certificate at the gate.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:18:02
The Athletic are reporting that issues with relegation from The Championship (Wigan/Sheff Wed) and League Two (Stevenage/Macclesfield) might not be resolved before any scheduled start of the new season thus impacting the entire EFL.

Nobody needs that.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:24:44
Jokers

EFL sre going to have blood on theit hands if clubs go to the wall due to this


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:31:26
The Athletic are reporting that issues with relegation from The Championship (Wigan/Sheff Wed) and League Two (Stevenage/Macclesfield) might not be resolved before any scheduled start of the new season thus impacting the entire EFL.

Nobody needs that.
Eh? How does that work? Stevenage start in League 2 and then get relegated to the Conference half way through? Bonkers!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:44:37
Jokers

EFL sre going to have blood on theit hands if clubs go to the wall due to this

FL are damned if they do and damned if they don't, whatever they decide will no doubt be challenged  by those hit by it which immediately pushes any final decision into the autumn at the earliest.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:50:25
Eh? How does that work? Stevenage start in League 2 and then get relegated to the Conference half way through? Bonkers!
Unbelievable decision, pathetic even.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:52:34
FL are damned if they do and damned if they don't, whatever they decide will no doubt be challenged  by those hit by it which immediately pushes any final decision into the autumn at the earliest.

They are in a tough place, and I don't think there is a perfect solution, but they still appear to be doing the worst possible job at handling it.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:59:26
they still appear to be doing the worst possible job at handling it.

That's their standard approach.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:04:43
The Athletic are reporting that issues with relegation from The Championship (Wigan/Sheff Wed) and League Two (Stevenage/Macclesfield) might not be resolved before any scheduled start of the new season thus impacting the entire EFL.

Nobody needs that.
They’re hoping that Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday have enough points from games played to avoid relegation and then hand them a pointless 12 point deduction.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:11:39
They’re hoping that Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday have enough points from games played to avoid relegation and then hand them a pointless 12 point deduction.

My impression with Wigan is that if that happens, they start on -12 next season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Cheltred on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:29:34
My impression with Wigan is that if that happens, they start on -12 next season.
I think so, and presumably the same for Wednesday


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:32:31
My impression with Wigan is that if that happens, they start on -12 next season.
I am pretty sure the EFL said that, 12 point either now if it meant relegation or if they stayed up then it would be in place next season.

Sheff Weds are more likely to have a transfer ban and large fine than point deduction though it seems, Birmingham in a similar boat to Weds too.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sheffield-wednesday-face-potential-points-4253891


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:32:58
My impression with Wigan is that if that happens, they start on -12 next season.
If they were to finish in the bottom 3 after all games played their 12 point deduction would apply next season. If they finish outside the bottom 3 this season the deduction is applied this season.

So if they actually finish 13 points outside the 3rd relegation spot they’re safe even when the 12 point deduction is applied.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:35:16
If they were to finish in the bottom 3 after all games played their 12 point deduction would apply next season. If they finish outside the bottom 3 this season the deduction is applied this season.

So if they actually finish 13 points outside the 3rd relegation spot they’re safe even when the 12 point deduction is applied.
Not quite.

If they finish in the bottom 3 WITH the points deduction then they will be relegated and the points taken THIS season.

If they stay up by more than 12 points then the points deduction will be next season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:42:10
Don’t think that’s right PV. If they’re relegated ‘naturally’ the deduction is definitely next season.

Outside the bottom 3 it’s applied this season. So if they happen to be 13 points clear of the relegation spot they stay where they are.

It’s why they are going to withdraw their appeal against the deduction if they avoid relegation naturally.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:45:49
Don’t think that’s right PV. If they’re relegated ‘naturally’ the deduction is definitely next season.

Outside the bottom 3 it’s applied this season. So if they happen to be 13 points clear of the relegation spot they stay where they are.

It’s why they are going to withdraw their appeal against the deduction if they avoid relegation naturally.
They can't finish in the relegation zone except with 12 points deduction.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:49:52
I understood that if they stay up by more than 12 points then the points will come off at the start of next season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:55:01
Nope. When the season finishes the 12 point deduction will be applied. As it stands there is no way they will finish in the bottom 3 naturally.

The only way the 12 point deduction would be applied next season is if they actually did finish in the bottom 3.

It’s almost certain they will avoid relegation even when the 12 point deduction is applied after 46 games.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 13:58:29
I stand corrected then, seems a bit futile deducting them points that mean absolutely nothing other than a few hundred grand less league position bonus payments.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 14:07:08
Not really. Obviously Wigan have done well enough to mitigate the 12 point deduction.

The real problem here is Sheffield Wednesday. I’m not sure what they’ve been charged with - abusing FFP? - and what the penalty is if found guilty.

Again, they should have enough points in the bag to render a 12 point deduction meaningless. If the penalty is one that does, somehow, relegate them they are bound to appeal - as we did. That appeal would likely eat into next season and may void the season starting in the Championship and L1.

Horrible thought. If they are just plain demoted - as we were - would that mean the piss stains would go up a la Sunderland or would the 3rd bottom in the Championship be reprieved?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 14:10:34
Horrible thought. If they are just plain demoted - as we were - would that mean the piss stains would go up a la Sunderland or would the 3rd bottom in the Championship be reprieved?
Don't even think about that 1st option.

These days I doubt any club will ever be relegated for financial reasons unlike us, all punishments seem utterly futile anyway and will all be challenged at by clubs at every level.

It will be a fine and a transfer ban at best, not that a transfer ban has held back Bolton even.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 14:11:08
Not really. Obviously Wigan have done well enough to mitigate the 12 point deduction.

The real problem here is Sheffield Wednesday. I’m not sure what they’ve been charged with - abusing FFP? - and what the penalty is if found guilty.

Wednesday were charged with misconduct in November after their owner sold their stadium to himself to avoid breaking the league’s profitability and sustainability rules in 2018.

Under those rules, clubs are allowed to make a maximum loss of £39 million over three years and they were set to overshoot that by a significant margin until the £60 million sale of Hillsborough turned a third straight loss into a £2.6 million profit.

They are not the only club to sell their stadium to their owner to avoid an FFP charge (Aston Villa, Birmingham City, Derby County and Reading) but they are the only club to have possibly waited too long to do it as the EFL believe the transaction took place after the 2017-18 accounting period.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 14:59:47
We’re bottom of the league. Yay!

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/3193204/


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 16:21:00
We’re bottom of the league. Yay!

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/3193204/

And calling them by their full name, Dirty Leeds.  :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:05:23
Boris says fans can go into stadiums by October providing trials are completed beforehand


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:11:06
Season starts then, then.

Can’t imagine any club will want to miss out on 2 or 3 home games with no fans if the proposed start date of 12 Sept is correct.

Mind you, Boris knows fuck all about fuck all, the soft lep


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:11:15
Boris says fans can go into stadiums by October providing trials are completed beforehand
Crowds back by then at the latest then, good news.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:13:31
How many fans?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:15:36
‘Large concerts allowed’ also


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:28:06
‘Large concerts allowed’ also
If that’s so, I’d imagine fans would be back 100%


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Berniman on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:43:10
Back in lock down by Christmas then.  I have a Serbian team that work for me, and Serbia was doing really well with containing Covid with very few cases.  then in their ultimate wisdom they decided to commence with sporting events and concerts with full crowds as soon as they came out of lockdown - they are now preparing for a 2nd wave and considering lockdown again..

It's Ifollow for me next season..


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:55:12
If that’s so, I’d imagine fans would be back 100%
Surely not? No away fans and limited capacity, then it's welcome news. Surely they'll take baby steps and reopen this gradually?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:56:17
Lets be honest its all pissing in the wind and needing a good news headline, I suspect we have been lucky insofar as C-19 doesn't do well outside in hot weather, but unlike many footballers one would assume it can do it on a cold wet Tuesday night in Stoke.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:56:58
Lets be honest its all pissing in the wind and needing a good news headline, I suspect we have been lucky insofar as C-19 doesn't do well outside in hot weather, but unlike many footballers one would assume it can do it on a cold wet Tuesday night in Stoke.
Let's hope Stoke stay up then :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, July 17, 2020, 13:08:04
Boris says fans can go into stadiums by October providing trials are completed beforehand

If Town play any 1st games behind closed doors or with limited capacity, we MUST find a way to get the guy in who is nearing watching 1,000  consecutive Town games.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 17, 2020, 18:12:47
Looks like there might be some movement on ST/match ticket refunds shortly, just been sent a (very brief) survey by the club with the following two questions:


 
1. In relation to your 2019/20 season ticket which option would you most prefer?

    Donate any pro rata refund back to the football club
    Full pro rata refund
    Reccomend a RED 3 FREE Game Voucher to redeem for future home league games

 
2. If you have any match tickets for outstanding home or away fixtures would you prefer to;

    Donate ticket monies back to the football club
    Full refund
    Add the value of tickets purchased to your club ticket account to redeem against future home league games only - bring a friend or relative with you



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 17, 2020, 18:13:43
yes, but why. Just give us the actual options!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Hitchinred on Friday, July 17, 2020, 18:27:54
Completed. Donate unused portion to club. Full refund for my Stevenage away ticket as I don’t think we get anything if I donate.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, July 17, 2020, 20:55:35
For the third division in Germany the plan is 50% of seating capacity & 12.5% of standing capacity. For the Bundesliga the suggestion is somewhat more complicated; based upon 7 day infection rate per 100.000 of the area, the dynamic of the infection and the 'absolute' infection numbers -  with capacity being reduced proportionately for those above a certain level.
I would personally prefer the former rather than latter idea


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 05:21:43
yes, but why. Just give us the actual options!
Absolutely. Different options will suit different people. Imposing a one size fits all on everyone will disenfranchise some.

However, if a decision is reached I will abide by it. Just like how I accept the result of an election or referendum.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 07:46:02
We’re bottom of the league. Yay!

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/3193204/

Three things leap out at me while munching toast this morning. 1) The top five spenders are the most successful. 2) Dirty Leeds. 3) We actually make the chart at all.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 09:51:19
Talking of dirty Lids I see they won the Championship championship yesterday.

Horrible club, horrible supporters, back where they feel they rightly belong. Biggest club in the world....apparently.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 10:46:12
Three things leap out at me while munching toast this morning. 1) The top five spenders are the most successful. 2) Dirty Leeds. 3) We actually make the chart at all.
To answer your point 3. It’s because it’s a list of every club that’s been in the PL since it started.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 10:55:45
To answer your point 3. It’s because it’s a list of every club that’s been in the PL since it started.
I didn't see Oxford and the Slavetraders in there though...oh wait a minute :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 11:25:57
Heh, heh!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 11:28:55
Talking of dirty Lids I see they won the Championship championship yesterday.

Horrible club, horrible supporters, back where they feel they rightly belong. Biggest club in the world....apparently.

They aren’t champions quite yet.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 11:31:03
They aren’t champions quite yet.
True, I didnt see the Brentford goal difference but as good as, and certainly promoted.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 12:29:34
To answer your point 3. It’s because it’s a list of every club that’s been in the PL since it started.

Fair enough, I hadn’t delved that deeply into your or Post or it wasn’t there or your linkage did or didn’t mention it, oh FFS, whatever 😁 still based on that is comes as no surprise that A) we are bottom B) we only lasted one season.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 13:05:52
Brentford blowing it?

1 down at HT at Stoke


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 13:20:35
Brentford blowing it?

1 down at HT at Stoke
64% possession so far and 4 shots to Stoke 5 and 1 on target to Stoke 2, still in it and not being dominated.

I still feel Brentford will beat them.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 13:46:39
Celtic & Rangers play in same Lyon stadium in back-to-back games in the Veolia Trophy. No jocks allowed, but 5,000 club members (of Lyon?) allowed to enter stadium to watch match. Capacity: 59,100.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 13:55:49
64% possession so far and 4 shots to Stoke 5 and 1 on target to Stoke 2, still in it and not being dominated.

I still feel Brentford will beat them.
Kiss of death?

67% possession to Brentford and 9 shots for them now, everything but score!


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Super Hans on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 14:20:44
Didn't really get close to scoring that second half bar a couple of efforts. Stoke were never stretched.

Should have known not to bet on the early kick off.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 15:46:59
FA guidelines for grassroots and youth football signed off by DCMS: teams can resume full training in groups of up to 30, friendlies, tournaments and SSGs allowed as of Aug 1st, leagues can start from September


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: sir windon on Sunday, July 19, 2020, 11:50:08
Nice mixed metaphor in this quote in the Adver...

“On Facebook, —————— said: "I'd be waiting longer. What the government say and what the medical situation actually is are two different things entirely. I miss football like a hole in the head but it just isn't safe." “

Definition of like a hole in the head. informal. : not at all —used with need to say that someone doesn't at all need something. Ex- She already has too many shoes. She needs another pair like a hole in the head.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 20, 2020, 20:17:59
Being reported in The Athletic that some clubs in L1 and 2, including Bolton, say they will not start the season with no fans as they can’t afford the testing.

Funny how they can pay Doyle £4k pw to sit on his arse, though.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, July 20, 2020, 20:35:31
Or 250k up front in compo for Evatt...


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Monday, July 20, 2020, 20:36:05
Being reported in The Athletic that some clubs in L1 and 2, including Bolton, say they will not start the season with no fans as they can’t afford the testing.

Funny how they can pay Doyle £4k pw to sit on his arse, though.

Does it say the other clubs?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 20, 2020, 20:44:19
Here’s the article

From The Athletic

The EFL already has plenty of delicate and time-sensitive issues on its plate with investigations into FFP breaches and potential relegation appeals. Well, now you can add the threat of clubs potentially striking over the restart of Leagues One and Two if coronavirus testing measures are still in place.

English football’s third tier was the last to decide how to resolve its 2019-20 season, caught in the middle of the Premier League and Championship’s Project Restart, and League Two curtailing their campaign.

Although there is no definitive date, clubs in Leagues One and Two are expecting to be told to return to competitive action come mid to late September, keeping their 2020-21 season as close as possible to the top two tiers.

That would be six months since most of those clubs hosted a game and the government’s announcement this week, bringing the potential return of crowds to matches from October, is welcome news.

However, the bigger issue is the testing and biosecurity protocol that has made football’s return possible.

Aside from those clubs involved in the end of season play-offs, Leagues One and Two are yet to function under the current strict and regular COVID-19 testing regime. The Athletic understands at least a dozen clubs, including Bolton and Ipswich, have told the EFL they will not restart as they cannot afford the costs involved.

It means the EFL faces the threat of clubs refusing to play unless the testing rules are relaxed by updated government advice, which seems most likely, or the EFL can find a more cost-effective way for the biosecurity rules surrounding post-COVID football to be met.

Either way, how to make football in England’s third and fourth tiers viable remains a live discussion.



Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 20, 2020, 21:57:35
That's fine. Forfeit the game and 12 point deduction for each match they don't play. If there are individual players that don't feel safe to play, that's one thing, but these are supposedly comparatively well-off clubs that are trying to force everyone else to abandon a testing protocol that ensures players can feel safe to play. Fuck em.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 10:11:15
For those clubs that have already signed players prior to a salary cap being brought in, they will be counted as having the average salary for players under that cap.

So, Bolton will have Doyle capped as if he is on £2500pw - which is the average a player will get paid under a £2.5m wage cap.

£2500pw is about 5% of a club’s total cap in L1.

Edit. Silly me. Doyle is playing under the L2 cap, but the premise is the same.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 24, 2020, 14:07:34
French cup final tonight, crowd capped at 5k


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, July 24, 2020, 14:25:40
Premier league 20/21 season confirmed as a September 12th start date. The EFL is normally a couple of weeks before, wonder if that will push up the start date for us


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, July 24, 2020, 14:43:39
Confirmed for us as well. Normal finish so plenty of midweek games I’m sure.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 24, 2020, 14:50:03
Confirmed for us as well. Normal finish so plenty of midweek games I’m sure.

There's going to be lot of teams digging deep into their (already thin) squads.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, July 24, 2020, 15:02:38
There's going to be lot of teams digging deep into their (already thin) squads.
May impact Wellens thinking a little as players with injury records will be an even bigger risk.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, July 24, 2020, 22:31:40
Suppose it has to start relatively close to normal and end (as this one would've done) a little earlier because the delayed Euros will be going ahead next Summer too. Another factor and knock on effect.

If/when crowds come back it's going to be great for any football fan but especially neutrals, who like to go to a mixture of matches. Bar a few weeks after the end of this "season" it is non stop from now, all the way through to this time next year (Europa/Champs League RndOf16 start soon in August I think, then the leagues kick in again and then the above mentioned delayed Euro2020). Let us just hope we have some teams lower down the order to fulfil fixtures and that Town are one of them that can do so. Strange mix of partly weird yet also exciting times.

Most of us alive today will have never seen anything like this, bar a few older folk who were old enough to see the abandonment of the Leagues during WWII. The world has changed a fair chunk since then but could you see players like Mason Mount or Jack Wilshere having their contracts cancelled and signing up for the Armed Forces, if such a similar situation were to arise? No doubt today they'd be excused on purely entertainment terms or just be sent out to play footy at one of the bases to keep the troops entertained. Which I guess happened with footballers who "went to war" and ended up playing for the AF Teams.

This bit stuck out from an IWM piece, regarding the introduction/limitation of crowds;

In 1939, the threat of air attack and the introduction of conscription made it impossible for football to continue as before. However, on 21 September, the Home Office agreed to allow a revised programme of football as long as it didn't interfere with national service and industry. Crowds were limited to 8,000 in evacuation areas and 15,000 elsewhere. 

I think we're seeing the beginnings of similar phases of reintroduction, albeit for dissimilar reasons.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/10-facts-about-football-in-the-second-world-war


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, July 25, 2020, 11:22:39
Suppose it has to start relatively close to normal and end (as this one would've done) a little earlier because the delayed Euros will be going ahead next Summer too. Another factor and knock on effect.

If/when crowds come back it's going to be great for any football fan but especially neutrals, who like to go to a mixture of matches. Bar a few weeks after the end of this "season" it is non stop from now, all the way through to this time next year (Europa/Champs League RndOf16 start soon in August I think, then the leagues kick in again and then the above mentioned delayed Euro2020). Let us just hope we have some teams lower down the order to fulfil fixtures and that Town are one of them that can do so. Strange mix of partly weird yet also exciting times.

Most of us alive today will have never seen anything like this, bar a few older folk who were old enough to see the abandonment of the Leagues during WWII. The world has changed a fair chunk since then but could you see players like Mason Mount or Jack Wilshere having their contracts cancelled and signing up for the Armed Forces, if such a similar situation were to arise? No doubt today they'd be excused on purely entertainment terms or just be sent out to play footy at one of the bases to keep the troops entertained. Which I guess happened with footballers who "went to war" and ended up playing for the AF Teams.

This bit stuck out from an IWM piece, regarding the introduction/limitation of crowds;

In 1939, the threat of air attack and the introduction of conscription made it impossible for football to continue as before. However, on 21 September, the Home Office agreed to allow a revised programme of football as long as it didn't interfere with national service and industry. Crowds were limited to 8,000 in evacuation areas and 15,000 elsewhere. 

I think we're seeing the beginnings of similar phases of reintroduction, albeit for dissimilar reasons.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/10-facts-about-football-in-the-second-world-war

TL;DR


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, July 25, 2020, 13:30:41
TL;DR

How's about grow up mate?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, July 26, 2020, 10:06:27
When are the players back for pre-season?


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, July 26, 2020, 10:49:58
When are the players back for pre-season?

30th July


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, July 26, 2020, 12:41:14
Suppose it has to start relatively close to normal and end (as this one would've done) a little earlier because the delayed Euros will be going ahead next Summer too. Another factor and knock on effect.

If/when crowds come back it's going to be great for any football fan but especially neutrals, who like to go to a mixture of matches. Bar a few weeks after the end of this "season" it is non stop from now, all the way through to this time next year (Europa/Champs League RndOf16 start soon in August I think, then the leagues kick in again and then the above mentioned delayed Euro2020). Let us just hope we have some teams lower down the order to fulfil fixtures and that Town are one of them that can do so. Strange mix of partly weird yet also exciting times.

Most of us alive today will have never seen anything like this, bar a few older folk who were old enough to see the abandonment of the Leagues during WWII. The world has changed a fair chunk since then but could you see players like Mason Mount or Jack Wilshere having their contracts cancelled and signing up for the Armed Forces, if such a similar situation were to arise? No doubt today they'd be excused on purely entertainment terms or just be sent out to play footy at one of the bases to keep the troops entertained. Which I guess happened with footballers who "went to war" and ended up playing for the AF Teams.

This bit stuck out from an IWM piece, regarding the introduction/limitation of crowds;

In 1939, the threat of air attack and the introduction of conscription made it impossible for football to continue as before. However, on 21 September, the Home Office agreed to allow a revised programme of football as long as it didn't interfere with national service and industry. Crowds were limited to 8,000 in evacuation areas and 15,000 elsewhere. 

I think we're seeing the beginnings of similar phases of reintroduction, albeit for dissimilar reasons.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/10-facts-about-football-in-the-second-world-war

Thanks for the that, that website you linked is great and i didnt know half the stuff anout playing through ww2


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, July 26, 2020, 15:50:40
Thanks for the that, that website you linked is great and i didnt know half the stuff anout playing through ww2

I only knew a few of them and most of that was from conversations with my now departed Grandad. He was a fairly lucky guy during wartime as worked for Rolls-Royce so didn't get sent away or anything. I think, from what I remember he was able to transfer his skills and remained in the UK.

No problem btw, likely someone else would've got there before me. That IWM link is the kind of thing Reg would like to mull over so I hope he's had a good read too :)


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: donkey on Monday, July 27, 2020, 18:32:56
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/grimsby-town-statement-season-tickets-4366057

Grimbo chairman suggesting no fans until October, then a 17-30% capacity.  Maybe be able to watch on iPlayer.


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: tans on Friday, July 31, 2020, 18:49:23
Sheff Weds get a 12 point deduction effective next season


Title: Re: So, What Happens . . .
Post by: pauld on Monday, August 3, 2020, 11:29:44
According to Price of Football pod this morning (yeah, I know, so take with as much salt as required), the League are meeting on Aug 6th to discuss whether to implement the salary cap. Hiroshima Day, hopefully not an omen.