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« Reply #240 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 13:51:23 »

Why should footballers' earnings be capped? They're privately owned businesses and should be able to pay their employees whatever they want.

We already have a total wage cap in L2 as a % of turnover. That should be extended to the rest of the EFL, but you can't cap individuals' earnings.
Yeah that would do it. That's still a wage cap, doesn't have to be on an individual basis, And it definitely needs extending to the Championship as that is where the problem is worse- avg spend of £1.07 per £1 of income on wages alone. That's before they spend on anything else. And some clubs well over that
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« Reply #241 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:10:40 »

So, after yesterday’s call for a wage cap by Dale Vince and then again today by John Radford, we have 2 clubs who have consistently spunked large wages on their players.

Probably seeing their advantage disappear and want to try and remain competitive by dumbing every club down.
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« Reply #242 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:10:53 »

It has always puzzled me how the USA, bastions of free market policies, have restricted all of their sports to a "Socialist" model of revenue sharing, drafts, total salary caps etc.  Generally speaking, they strong arm the local councils into paying for new stadiums as well.

I think the system in place for L1 & L2 would work well, if it was properly managed and enforced by the FL.  I think, while there is an argument about each club being a private business, they choose to operate in a membership based organisation.  As such, it is not like competing in an open market, so having rules of fairness are fine.  The members are expected to act in the overall good of the wider community.  Each club can earn turnover in many free market ways, so the restrictions are solely about the competing in the league aspect, players are not the only employees of the business after all.
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« Reply #243 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:50:08 »

It has always puzzled me how the USA, bastions of free market policies, have restricted all of their sports to a "Socialist" model of revenue sharing, drafts, total salary caps etc.

The idea is to keep things competitive and therefore increase the value.  More chance of your team winning, more you'll watch and spend.
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« Reply #244 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:53:36 »

The idea is to keep things competitive and therefore increase the value.  More chance of your team winning, more you'll watch and spend.

It sounds... plastic.
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« Reply #245 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 14:58:37 »

We need to get back to splashing through everyone’s piss in the bogs, just bovril and a bag of cheese and onion available at half time, players with no names on their shirt back and sponsors Freddy Fuckwit on the front.

Brown envelopes should be rife and at least half the team should be pissed on the pitch.
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« Reply #246 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:09:00 »

Sunday League   Smiley
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« Reply #247 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:16:23 »

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« Reply #248 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:24:44 »

The idea is to keep things competitive and therefore increase the value.  More chance of your team winning, more you'll watch and spend.

It works
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« Reply #249 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 15:51:10 »

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How many teams do they have in comparison? What about teams in the same town or city? You’d have to go down to a point in the pyramid where you’ll effectively tell teams you can’t get promoted anymore and are just playing for ‘fun’ making say National League downwards nothing more than glorified Sunday league. Would absolutely destroy the traditional football model in this country so it’s a no thanks from me.
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« Reply #250 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 16:02:43 »

Why should footballers' earnings be capped? They're privately owned businesses and should be able to pay their employees whatever they want

I assume from this that you have not objected to, or made any negative comment on, the manner in which STFC is run by the owner (s)  of what is a privately owned business.
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« Reply #251 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 16:04:03 »

So, after yesterday’s call for a wage cap by Dale Vince and then again today by John Radford, we have 2 clubs who have consistently spunked large wages on their players.

Probably seeing their advantage disappear and want to try and remain competitive by dumbing every club down.
If you read the article on the BBC site, you'll see that Radford sent the letter on behalf of 37 of the 47 L1 and L2 clubs, so it's very far from just these two
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« Reply #252 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 18:13:29 »

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We already have a total wage cap in L2 as a % of turnover. That should be extended to the rest of the EFL, but you can't cap individuals' earnings.

I guess it depends whether the wage cap would be an absolute value.

problem with % revenue is  it's being abused by inflated 'sponsorship' deals.

I'm not a fan of capping wages, but football needs to change, and it doesn't look like that's ever going to happen organically.
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« Reply #253 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 18:30:37 »

I guess it depends whether the wage cap would be an absolute value.

problem with % revenue is  it's being abused by inflated 'sponsorship' deals.
As Audrey said on the previous page, it would need to be accompanied by much greater financial transparency and strict clampdown on financial doping, especially some of the loopholes like selling your own stadium back to yourself.
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« Reply #254 on: Thursday, April 23, 2020, 18:35:20 »

Really good, transparent and logical statement from the Plymouth owner

https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/2020/april/chairmans-chat/
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