Thetownend.com

Swindon Town FC => Other Football Stuff => Topic started by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:38:37



Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:38:37
Having seen quite a few comments about Chelsea being whats wrong with football I thought Id start a little thread about whats wrong with football.  Personally I look at football and see a pretty fucked world. 

Overspending clubs, overpaid players, bollocks organisations running it, racism, homophobia, imbecilic fans etc etc etc.

Latest thing to annoy me is seeing some comments from people I know along the lines of 'Haha Steven Gerrard, 600 games for the same club and you've still not won the premier league'.  Surely a players loyalty to one club should be celebrated not derided?

Anyway, feel free to discuss whats wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:39:11
foul throws are very rarely given


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:39:54
people who try to place the ball over the line on a corner, will that extra 2 cm really make a difference..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:40:01
Sky sports money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Langers on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:40:24
Franchise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:46:04
The cost of match days for supporters.

Diving increasing throughout  the game


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:46:34
Blatter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:48:17
people who try to place the ball over the line on a corner, will that extra 2 cm really make a difference..

And goalkeepers who kick the ball from hand when they may be ever so slightly over the line.  Ineveitably it goes straight through to the other keeper anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:11:41
Lee Hughes
Marlon King
Terrell Forbes
Ched Evans
Steve Evans
Joey Barton
The list is endless of scumbags who still get employed by opportunistic football clubs who think of nothing but money. Its no wonder that football is looked on so cynically.Even our club can't wait to bring out FA cup shirts and outsource ticket sales with rip-off booking charges


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:12:52
You are. All of you. Especially you there, at the back, shuffling about. I want you all to sit quietly and think about what you've done.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:17:02
I was expecting a better answer from you Pauld!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:31:50
Diving
Petulant and argumentative players on the pitch
Poor value for money thats worse in the Premier League pricing most fans out of going to games
Players who are overpaid prima donnas
No loyalty in players
Tackling being punished so that it is becoming a non-contact sport gradually


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LJ9 on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:32:05
Player power


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:37:03
All seater stadia
Twitter
Oxford United
Over-hyped, useless, overpaid foreign players
The Premier League
That Pompey fuckwit with the bell
That Scouse fuckwit with all the badges
Large foam hands
Face painting
People taking cameras into grounds (my personal hate)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:38:00
I was expecting a better answer from you Pauld!
Oh OK, then. Sky and their bastard offspring, the Premier League. How's that? :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:42:27
Less of this...

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_03/KeaneReferee_468x402.jpg

It's an old photo, but we're still no closer to sorting the problem.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:55:14
Easy to sort out - but there is no will to do so

The lunatics are running the asylum


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:18:04
Well done.  I approve.  I still expected it to be more wordy, but it'll have to do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanTheMan on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:22:56
All seater stadia
Twitter
Oxford United
Over-hyped, useless, overpaid foreign players
The Premier League
That Pompey fuckwit with the bell
That Scouse fuckwit with all the badges
Large foam hands
Face painting
People taking cameras into grounds (my personal hate)


This


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:35:21
Non-contact nature of tackling
Unlikeable players
Wong people in charge at the top
No beers on the terraces
No terraces
Cost (commercialisation in general)
The drift away from it being a working mans sport (not that i remember it, but I'd like it to be a little less 'replica shirt, family day out)
Franchise
Train prices for away days (or in general, it's just silly money)
Billionaire owners
Curbing goal celebrations
Music after goals
Seeing an empty Saturday schedule in the top league for TV purposes
Aiming to finish 4th to qualify for the CL
Wembley


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:54:33
Drums
Toure on £220k a week
John Terry
Premier League being judge and jury
FA being judge and jury
The lack of team colour goal nets
No standing
MOTD pundits
£3.40 for a bottle of beer in the DRS

...and £75 for a team strip for my lad, £75 FUCKING QUID!



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:57:55
All of the above.

And particularly what Ardiles mentioned - players treating the ref like a piece of shit on their luminous pink/green/orange boot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Coca Fola on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 16:05:49
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmWskE6Zgo&fmt18

It's not Bosnian football

Best bit is at 6.04 when they score.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 16:09:16
money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 16:18:27
Not enough beer and tits.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 16:22:25
actually not enough beer and tits.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 16:25:17
Sky Sports - the crux of all things bad


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 18:37:53
The speed and ease with which a manager can go from being seen as a tactically astute, well-loved and successful manager amongst a set of supporters to being seen as inept and clueless by the same set of people in the space of 10 games or less.

Also, the refusal amongst pundits and fans to acknowledge that luck and elements of randomness frequently have as much of an impact on results as skill, tactics and ability.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 18:46:49
Coloured boots


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 18:56:36
Especially on a 34 year old camel like Darren Ward.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 19:00:29
It's just not cricket


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 19:38:01
MOTD pundits





..and every other pundit.Especially failed managers like Shearer and Claridge.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 19:50:36
When referring to the history of football only talking about the premier league era...pretty sure football started before the premier league...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 22:17:57
And goalkeepers who kick the ball from hand when they may be ever so slightly over the line.  Ineveitably it goes straight through to the other keeper anyway.

A certain Mr Wesley Foderingham has a habit of doing this!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 22:20:58
Whatever happened to the contested drop ball?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 00:39:38
Whatever happened to the contested drop ball?

The old shin kick ball, I miss those.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 00:51:31
Football died the day Sir Bobby did


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 01:16:32
Football died the day Sir Bobby did

Certainly much of the honesty in football that he stood for did


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:48:52
Answer: Money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:59:50
The transient nature of the side. Can't build an affinity towards the players so much. Shaun Taylor, Paul Bodin, Martin Ling, Fraser Digby, Fitzroy Simpson, Colin Calderwood, John Gittens. We'll never be able to develop a rappore of that sort again.

Or am I wrong? Feel a bond with Ferry I suppose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:01:43
People (especially the media) who fail to acknowledge the good within the game and focus on the negatives, because it's easy. One of the All Blacks was sin-binned for intentionally stamping on the head of one of the Scots today. The media will largely ignore that though, with it not being football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:06:42
Peter Scudamore and the PL
Players getting booked for doing very little wrong (taking shirt off, slight mistimed challenge)
Refereeing standards
Blatter
Platini
Agents
Champions League (Bring back the knockout European Cup, Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup)
Teams that get knocked out of the CL, then able to go into the Europa Cup

And....money !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:13:21
The transient nature of the side. Can't build an affinity towards the players so much. Shaun Taylor, Paul Bodin, Martin Ling, Fraser Digby, Fitzroy Simpson, Colin Calderwood, John Gittens. We'll never be able to develop a rappore of that sort again.

Or am I wrong? Feel a bond with Ferry I suppose.

Players - and managers - are transitory.

It's just us fans that get to see a club over an extended period of time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:20:52
The transient nature of the side. Can't build an affinity towards the players so much. Shaun Taylor, Paul Bodin, Martin Ling, Fraser Digby, Fitzroy Simpson, Colin Calderwood, John Gittens. We'll never be able to develop a rappore of that sort again.

Or am I wrong? Feel a bond with Ferry I suppose.

Whoever you are, you can't escape that you're 20 years older than you were back in the days of Fraser et al.  So you're ability to develop an affinity with players is bound to be affected by that.  Your Ferry example is a good one.  (And I'd add SSP, Simon Cox and Matt Ritchie to that list, to name a few.)  I'd imagine that today's youngsters will be remembering them in 20+ years from now in the same way you or eye go misty eyed about some of those other players.  It hasn't all changed, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:30:51
Whoever you are, you can't escape that you're 20 years older than you were back in the days of Fraser et al.  So you're ability to develop an affinity with players is bound to be affected by that.  Your Ferry example is a good one.  (And I'd add SSP, Simon Cox and Matt Ritchie to that list, to name a few.)  I'd imagine that today's youngsters will be remembering them in 20+ years from now in the same way you or eye go misty eyed about some of those other players.  It hasn't all changed, I'm sure.

True Ardiles, guess i'm getting wistful in my old age. Proud to look back at that era when I was in my earfly teens with an immense sense of nostalgia. Duncan Shearer, Chalkie White, Ross McClaren, David Kerslake. Ooooh, the memories  :nod: Just seemed like, on average, the players stayed much longer back then, and therefore we really got a chance to take them to our hearts, without wishing to sound too slushy ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonah on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:30:58
Diving
Petulant and argumentative players on the pitch
Poor value for money thats worse in the Premier League pricing most fans out of going to games
Players who are overpaid prima donnas
No loyalty in players
Tackling being punished so that it is becoming a non-contact sport gradually


This.

Plus - with regard to the national game England and World Cup etc - the football feels like an after thought now - money/corporation/matchday experience bollocks.

I've gone off internationals due to what I perceive to be a lack of passion from some senior England players. Playing in European Cup or Champions League (I believe that's what it's called now) take precedence. Presumably because they earn more money..... Would love to see England put out a load of lower league lads who really really want to play for England and show some commitment and desire (might watch England more then)!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:34:17
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2231071/James-McClean-refuses-wear-poppy.html

Pricks like this...obviously he forgets about thousands of his countrymen who paid the ultimate for people like himself to ponce about and earn thousands every week.




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:38:47
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2231071/James-McClean-refuses-wear-poppy.html

Pricks like this...obviously he forgets about thousands of his countrymen who paid the ultimate for people like himself to ponce about and earn thousands every week.


He's Irish.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:43:00
Sensitive issue this.  McClean is from Derry, and I wouldn't dare for one second to presume that he should feel about something like this the same way that I do.  If he doesn't have family members who were shot dead by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday, his family probably did have friends or acquaintances that were.  Who are we to dictate to him that he should wear a symbol that, like it or not, does have a strong connection to the British Army?

Live & let live, I say.  The day people start wearing poppies because they feel coerced in to doing so, the whole thing becomes meaningless.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:48:45
Sensitive issue this.  McClean is from Derry, and I wouldn't dare for one second to presume that he should feel about something like this the same way that I do.  If he doesn't have family members who were shot dead by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday, his family probably did have friends or acquaintances that were.  Who are we to dictate to him that he should wear a symbol that, like it or not, does have a strong connection to the British Army?

Live & let live, I say.  The day people start wearing poppies because they feel coerced in to doing so, the whole thing becomes meaningless.

No one has forced him....whats Derry got to do with it?

Many Derry Men who supported the IRA still paid the ultimate so people like this twat cannot even bring themself to respect those and others who died.
But coming from a man who changed allegance from North to South to play...and then abuse his manager on twitter then its no suprise is it.

Whats wrong with football :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:49:22
Roy Keane got some dreadful stick over here for wearing a poppy on a chat show.

I think it's more a case of them being fearful for the abuse they would receive if they did.

But what springs to my mind is why hasn't this been a problem in previous years on Remembrance Day


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:52:36
Good player though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:09:30
No one should feel pressured into wearing a poppy. It's all about freedom of choice.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:12:41
James McClean has no problem with working in Britain or British People. He just doesnt wish to support a British Army which has been responsible for years of hurt & misery in the City he grew up in.   

Why can some not grasp that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:15:39
Does wearing a poppy really achieve anything? Most people do it out of habit. The poor fuckers  getting killed in a senseless war now is more important imo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:38:50
No one should feel pressured into wearing a poppy. It's all about freedom of choice.
indeed.

ironic really isn't it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:52:17
What I find disrespectful is people using it to their advantage on social media sites. Stuff like "Retweet this to remember the fallen"

No I won't fucking retweet it you attention seeking twat. All those people didn't die just for some sad fuckers to raise their profile on twitter.  I have nothing against the ceremonies at all but the grief whoring really fucking grates at times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 21:02:26
Thick cunt dick fucks who happen to be talented at football thinking that they are politicians ' making a stand ' ...fuck off you thick as shit fucks...if you couldn't play football you would be changing tyres or flipping burgers.

And.....relax...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 21:05:26
if you couldn't play football you would be changing tyres or flipping burgers.

And he probably wouldn't be wearing a poppy. So the fact he is a professional footballer is irrelevant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 21:51:50
Back to the original question......

Not enough money filtering down to youth football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 21:56:10
It will soon be a criminal offence not to wear a poppy.(I wear one by the way on 11/11)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 22:00:07

£3.40 for a bottle of beer in the DRS


i don't see the problem with prices being in line with most bars throughout the country?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 22:02:33
Back to the original question......

Not enough money filtering down to youth football


Here's one, footballer's, who rose through the lower league structure, and then later make a huge financial success of themselves in the Premiership, fail to make some monetary difference to their origin club when that club which produced them falls on bad times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, November 12, 2012, 19:36:45
And he probably wouldn't be wearing a poppy. So the fact he is a professional footballer is irrelevant.

Where did I mention poppies?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Monday, November 12, 2012, 20:03:28
Where did I mention poppies?

How are these footballers making a stand or what stand are they making? Perhaps incorrectly I thought you were referring to this Irish lad who decided against wearing a poppy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, November 12, 2012, 20:38:14
i don't see the problem with prices being in line with most bars throughout the country?

That in itself is an issue... how people get away with charging over a £2 for a 330ml bottle of beer is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, November 12, 2012, 20:52:25
I think football would be a lot better with more of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Y5xCoKunY8


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, November 12, 2012, 23:04:10
The de-centralisation and over-complicating of football in order to create greater wealth for the few.

Solutions (domestic):

Create a single body to administer professional and semi-professional football.
Create a single League with 4 or 5 divisions, named Division 1, Division 2 etc.
All clubs in the League to enter cup competitions at the same time.

Solutions (European club):

European Cup to be a knockout cup competition for Division 1 winners only.
European Cup Winners' Cup to be a knockout cup competition for major cup winners only.

Solutions (International):

European Championships and World Cup qualifiers and finals to get rid of any kind of seeding.





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Coca Fola on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 00:10:59
I think football would be a lot better with more of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Y5xCoKunY8
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 09:30:20
The de-centralisation and over-complicating of football in order to create greater wealth for the few.

Solutions (domestic):

Create a single body to administer professional and semi-professional football.
Create a single League with 4 or 5 divisions, named Division 1, Division 2 etc.
All clubs in the League to enter cup competitions at the same time.

Solutions (European club):

European Cup to be a knockout cup competition for Division 1 winners only.
European Cup Winners' Cup to be a knockout cup competition for major cup winners only.

Solutions (International):

European Championships and World Cup qualifiers and finals to get rid of any kind of seeding.





Love the ideas, no chance sadly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 09:49:34
I think football would be a lot better with more of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Y5xCoKunY8
Email Heskey....Lie-chester City....Aston Vee-yah


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 09:58:00
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/12/premier-league-tv-rights-5-bn

Everything else stems from this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 11:11:22
So if, as Jeremy Wray prophesised, the Championship will become Premier League Div 2, what will the impact of that be, both for clubs in and out of the top 2 leagues?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 13:16:02
Peter Scudamore and the PL
Players getting booked for doing very little wrong (taking shirt off, slight mistimed challenge)
Refereeing standards
Blatter
Platini
Agents
Champions League (Bring back the knockout European Cup, Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup)
Teams that get knocked out of the CL, then able to go into the Europa Cup

And....money !!

In terms of these two:

Players getting booked for doing very little wrong (taking shirt off, slight mistimed challenge) - agreed but with the shirt taking off thing they know they will get booked so why continue doing it? It makes a bit of a mockery of the idea that if they got booked for swearing at the referee they would stop doing it?

Refereeing standards - They are poor, but if the players stopped trying to cheat all the time would make their lives a little easier.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 13:39:23
Sloop John B


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 13:50:46
Johnny Bloody Foreigner bringing his bloody foreign diving and cheating habits to the Beautiful Game and denying dear old UKaynians the chance to shine.

There may be a trace of bollocks in the above. Only a trace mind.

Too much money concentrated in the top quarter of the legue structure.

Too little money filtering down.

New grounds/ stadiums (stadia?) where the action is too far from the crowd. Atmosphere suffers as a result.

All seater staidums (stadia?).

Spineless powers that be that fail to deal with the overpaid 'stars' of the game when they behave like complete and utter cunts on and off the pitch.

Racism/ Sexism/ Homophobia- basic intolerance amongst supporters and players.

Talking the talk and then pulling up a chair and supping a beer when it is time to walk the walk (not putting the effort in when in an International shirt as opposed to a club shirt).

I could probably goo on but, I need a cup of tea and a lie down.

Meh, getartofit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 15:09:21
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8246088/Bolton-have-revealed-the-clubs-debt-has-increased-in-the-last-financial-year

Clubs like Bolton running up debts of £136m.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 15:20:22
Clubs like Bolton running up debts of £136m.

Incredible that they lost £26m last season, whilst in the PL and with selling a few players for big money.

How the hell are they going to repay a £136m loan over 10 years. With the interest that will be over £14m a year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 15:37:01
Not enough players with moustaches, beards, mullets, comb overs or wet perms.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 15:42:02
11 seasons in the PL have done Bolton no favours

Announced today they are £136.5m in debt!!!!

nearly as much as that yellow scum


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 15:44:50
11 seasons in the PL have done Bolton no favours

Announced today they are £136.5m in debt!!!!

nearly as much as that yellow scum

And all these Championship clubs thinking it's the Holy Grail. Just negligence of horrific proportions that this can be allowed to happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 17:16:02


How the hell are they going to repay a £136m loan over 10 years. With the interest that will be over £14m a year.

Indeed, not helped with having to pay-off Coyle and pay more money to hire whatshisname.

Would love to see what the business plan is for actually paying this money back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 17:46:29
The business plan is to go bust and pay back non-football creditors a tiny percentage of what they actually owe.

Genius really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 18:00:35
You do have to think that, especially with some of the 'smaller' clubs* - the owners seem to pocket a huge slice of their new-found riches and say bollocks to it when the shit hits the fan.

*See Pompey

Not wishing to sound too jingoistic, but there's just too many foreign owners for my liking.

Say what you like about Oxford but Agent Kassam did them royally up the arse and is continuing to do so.





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 18:22:01
Say what you like about Oxford but Agent Kassam did them royally up the arse and is continuing to do so.

Unfortunately Firoz Kassam saved that club, they'd be like Darlo, Scarborough, or Chester, without him.

It's just that most of their fans are too thick to realise it...in the same way, they all want Gene Wilder out, whereas the wider football community sees he's doing a decent job, so nominate him for Manager of the Month.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 18:54:18
Agent Kassam will hold the club back forever when they have to fork out such a huge rent per annum.

He flogged the Manor for multi millions and spent 43p building the Kassam and pocketed the difference.

He is one big albatross round their necks - putting off any sane investor


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 19:57:00
Agent Kassam will hold the club back forever when they have to fork out such a huge rent per annum.

He flogged the Manor for multi millions and spent 43p building the Kassam and pocketed the difference.

He is one big albatross round their necks - putting off any sane investor
Is there a downside?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 20:10:13
Agent Kassam will hold the club back forever when they have to fork out such a huge rent per annum.

He flogged the Manor for multi millions and spent 43p building the Kassam and pocketed the difference.

He is one big albatross round their necks - putting off any sane investor

The rent isn't that much more than what we pay for the CG...when you consider, Oxford were completed screwed and only by his endeavours was the club saved, he's surely entitled to something.

Kassam provides 3 stands, a decent car park and  a well creosoted fence. By contrast SBC, were gifted the CG, doing fuck all themselves and provide fuck all for their exhorbitant rent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 22:26:44
Come on Reg, it's not the rent that screws Oxford over, it's the fact they don't get to keep any of the non ticket match day revenue on top of that.

STFC rent is based on turnover, so the more we earn, the more we pay and vice versa.  Hence it always been a bit over played by the SSW regime because our Revenue had declined so they were due to pay less.  It may even have been below £100k a year at one point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 22:43:08
The business plan is to go bust and pay back non-football creditors a tiny percentage of what they actually owe.

Genius really.

Not sure that's it as Bolton have claimed pretty much all the debt is to the owner, no suggestion they're not paying any of their other bills. Just seems stupid that it isn't written off as that appears to be the only long term outcome.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fatbasher on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 23:08:56
In a word, money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 18:29:38
Yep.  Good to see big headlines today on BBC sport that Man U have reuced their debt to only £359.7 million as a result of floating on the new york stock exchange.

Thats allright then isnt it.  Makes poxfords £33m debt seem like a drop in an ocean of piss.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 20:39:23
The business plan is to go bust and pay back non-football creditors a tiny percentage of what they actually owe.

Genius really.
We are in no position to criticise though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 23:33:07
Yep.  Good to see big headlines today on BBC sport that Man U have reuced their debt to only £359.7 million as a result of floating on the new york stock exchange.

Thats allright then isnt it.  Makes poxfords £33m debt seem like a drop in an ocean of piss.
Surely it must be up to at least £38m by now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, November 15, 2012, 00:20:33
They've dipped under the 33m mark by 75 pence.  They paid off some debts when they floated on the Witney stock exchange.  Timmy Mallet bought them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, November 15, 2012, 00:28:55
Paying Lee Cox's £20k a week wages must be taking its toll on them by now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 13:55:50
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/15/michael-johnson-released-manchester-city

This sums it all up - on £40k a week and hasn't played for 3 years, finally paid up. Leaving aside the obscenity of the financial side, what a waste of talent. If he hadn't had that massive pay deal too early, maybe wouldn't have thought he'd "made it" already and may have actually made something of himself. Too many stories like this because there's far too much money (most of it wasted) at the top end of English football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 14:01:49
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/15/michael-johnson-released-manchester-city

This sums it all up - on £40k a week and hasn't played for 3 years, finally paid up. Leaving aside the obscenity of the financial side, what a waste of talent. If he hadn't had that massive pay deal too early, maybe wouldn't have thought he'd "made it" already and may have actually made something of himself. Too many stories like this because there's far too much money (most of it wasted) at the top end of English football

I remember when he first came on to the scene, he was amazing. He reminded me of a more athletic Lampard and I expected him to be the future of England's midfield - when I gave a shit.

I read about him a few months back as I suddenly thought, what happened to that ace young midfielder at Man City? only to read about how he was now a bit of a waster. Obviously we don't know the full circumstances, and it's easy to blame wages, but eh, likely his own fault, and wasn't truly cut out to get his head down and get on with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 14:13:11
Those pics are just staggering.  Take two pictures of someone 5 years apart, and you'd generally expect to be able to tell it was the same person in both...even if they would have aged a little.  I simply cannot see any resemblance there.

And back to the main point...what business does any 19 year old have earning an annual salary of £2 million anyway?  It's all wrong.  How can the people involved in clubs like these actually believe in what they are doing when money like that is changing hands?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 14:21:00
Those pics are just staggering.  Take two pictures of someone 5 years apart, and you'd generally expect to be able to tell it was the same person in both...even if they would have aged a little.  I simply cannot see any resemblance there.

And back to the main point...what business does any 19 year old have earning an annual salary of £2 million anyway?  It's all wrong.  How can the people involved in clubs like these actually believe in what they are doing when money like that is changing hands?

I think that you have probably hit it on the head Ardiles. My old flatmate who has contacts at Man U, told me of so many stories of astounding talents at Man Utd who have just totally wasted what they had and slowly fallen out of the game. I guess for some, once they see a massive monthly salary, they feel they don't have to work any more.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 14:21:26
think the Guardian have deliberately chosen the picture that shows the biggest difference

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/14329051


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 18:33:17
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8398890/Blue-Square-Bet-Premier-chiefs-could-discuss-Rangers-joining-the-division

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/official-who-urged-joleon-lescott-to-applaud-62-manchester-city-fans-axed-from-fa-cup-duty-8451583.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dphunt88 on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 18:39:44
What's wrong with football? Players/officials harassing referees to get players sent off for a pretty tame one-footed tackle! Skip straight to 53 mins 20 secs to watch it all unfold!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uupxaPRlmE

Steve Evans is such a twat. Glad we twatted them 6-0 over two games last season!

EDIT: also watch on as David 'believes he's Jesus' Prutton does absolutely nothing to stick up for his team-mates! All in it together eh lads! That's why i love McCormack, like an Irish bare-knuckle boxer fighting for his family's honour, he's straight in there everytime things get tasty!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 18:41:52
Those pics are just staggering.  Take two pictures of someone 5 years apart, and you'd generally expect to be able to tell it was the same person in both...even if they would have aged a little.  I simply cannot see any resemblance there.

And back to the main point...what business does any 19 year old have earning an annual salary of £2 million anyway?  It's all wrong.  How can the people involved in clubs like these actually believe in what they are doing when money like that is changing hands?

Players have been pissing careers up the wall, since the beginning of football....money isn't really anything to do with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 20:34:13
That Crawley match summed up the whole season.....gutless.

Smith got crunched off the ball and the players did nothing....terrible season..

I did enjoy the crushing victory at Crawley last season...have that you fat crooked cunt.



Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 21:08:46
Players have been pissing careers up the wall, since the beginning of football....money isn't really anything to do with it.

To put Michael Johnson into context as well, he really was meant to be the next big thing - a la Jack Wilshere. I remember the pundits purring over him, as did Eriksson. He looked like he had twice the time on the ball than anybody around him - so City paid him the earth (sadly the going rate for a top class player to be) and gave him a long term contract.

I had no idea about what had happened since. Perhaps he knows full well his career is over (before it really started) and just enjoyed life, courtesy of some bountiful oil supplies in the east. Can you blame him?

The joke is that on seeing he'd been released, I wondered (before seeing the Greggs ad photos of him) who'd go and grab a bargain. He makes Gareth Hall look an athlete. I think we should give him a miss!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 21:12:05
We saw how much weight Chris Martin lost under Paolo, I wonder what Johnson could achieve here?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 21:17:11
Notice today that Watford have just signed a player from Udinese...........on a five and a half year contract :eek:

Madness,i can see it going tits up there bringing in players on those kind of contracts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 21:17:17
What's wrong with football? Players/officials harassing referees to get players sent off for a pretty tame one-footed tackle! Skip straight to 53 mins 20 secs to watch it all unfold!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uupxaPRlmE

Steve Evans is such a twat. Glad we twatted them 6-0 over two games last season!

EDIT: also watch on as David 'believes he's Jesus' Prutton does absolutely nothing to stick up for his team-mates! All in it together eh lads! That's why i love McCormack, like an Irish bare-knuckle boxer fighting for his family's honour, he's straight in there everytime things get tasty!!



I can't watch that, even thinking about that game makes me feel cold again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 21:25:20
Notice today that Watford have just signed a player from Udinese...........on a five and a half year contract :eek:

Madness,i can see it going tits up there bringing in players on those kind of contracts.
Watford and Udinese share the same owners, so no doubt something dodgy going on there


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 22:08:12

I can't watch that, even thinking about that game makes me feel cold again.
That's definitely the coldest I've ever been whilst watching a match.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 22:22:34
I've just read another Guardian article about Johnson. I take back my defence of him - it sounds like he has managed to throw it away rather than it purely being injury.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 22:49:59
Sorry if it's already been said, but I think Kompany deserves some credit for this:

"No grudges against the referee, I understand the difficulty of the job,"

Regarding his (subsequently overturned) dismissal.  Although I guess this was whilst his appeal was pending so perhaps he *would* be more polite about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 23:23:07
We saw how much weight Chris Martin lost under Paolo, I wonder what Johnson could achieve here?!

A good 4-5 stone I reckon. Which going by Martin's weight loss, about 10 weeks under Paolo. Maybe he can pull his finger out, move down south and let Paolo get him back on track. If Paolo can't, no one can.

(Much of this is tongue in cheek, before someone thinks I'm making Paolo out to be a miracle worker and jumps down my throat!)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 16:39:50
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/16/loic-remy-qpr-marseille-undisclosed

75k a week and he is likely to be playing Championship football next season.

Are QPR going to be the next Pompey?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 17:13:52
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/16/loic-remy-qpr-marseille-undisclosed

75k a week and he is likely to be playing Championship football next season.

Are QPR going to be the next Pompey?

Apparently he has a relegatuion release clause where he can leave on a free shuold QPR get releaged.

Im amazed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 17:47:40
Another good piece in the Guardian at the moment by Will Hutton.  I don't agree with everything he writes by any means, but think he makes some really good points here, particularly in relation to the comparison with German football.

Guardian: The beautiful game embodies everything that's bad about Britain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/football-everything-bad-about-britain)

No surprise that Guardiola has gone to Bayern.  For so many reasons, I'd be a lot more confident about the future of German football than our own game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 18:22:35
going back to Michael Johnson:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/michael-johnson-reveals-mental-health-problems-which-contributed-to-end-of-manchester-city-career-8453906.html


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 18:35:16
What's wrong with football? Simple. To many fuckwits with massive egos running the game and too many fuckwits willing to pander to them.
Oh and money. Lots and lots of money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 18:40:46
Another good piece in the Guardian at the moment by Will Hutton.  I don't agree with everything he writes by any means, but think he makes some really good points here, particularly in relation to the comparison with German football.

Guardian: The beautiful game embodies everything that's bad about Britain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/football-everything-bad-about-britain)

No surprise that Guardiola has gone to Bayern.  For so many reasons, I'd be a lot more confident about the future of German football than our own game.

Guardiola wouldn't last 5 minutes in England, much too thin skinned...it'll be interesting to see how he gets on at Bayern.  It's good that things are bouyant in Germany, as we know how they react to a good recession.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: PlymRed on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 20:00:40
It will be good to see whether Guardiola is as good as everyone says he is, most people would win things with that Barca team.

Glad he hasn't gone to either Manchester club or Chelsea


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 20:49:02
Saw this in the news today. "Hit man in footie shooting": " A footballer was shot in front of 150 spectators as he warmed up for a match, Alan Jopson 27, was hit three times in the legs after the masked gunman jogged on to the pitch. Mr Jopson, who was treated in hospital was playing for amateur side Alder in Woolton Liverpool. Mersey side police confirms that the shooting was a targeted attack but added the motive was not yet known "
When I saw the headline I expected it to of happened in somewhere like Brazil not Liverpool.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 23:04:41
Another good piece in the Guardian at the moment by Will Hutton.  I don't agree with everything he writes by any means, but think he makes some really good points here, particularly in relation to the comparison with German football.

Guardian: The beautiful game embodies everything that's bad about Britain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/football-everything-bad-about-britain)

No surprise that Guardiola has gone to Bayern.  For so many reasons, I'd be a lot more confident about the future of German football than our own game.

Thanks for the link. Depressing but true.

I heard the tail end of an interview with the FA's David Bernstein today. The price of tickets and player wages were, according to him, down to market forces, and therefore nothing to do with him. The sooner the FA Premier League devours itself the better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 23:32:00
Using the Arsenal v Man City ticket price for away fans to argue about football being too expensive is complete and utter bollocks. Away fans get charged the same as home fans for the same quality seat (that Guardian article was written to give the impression this is not the case).

Plus the price wasn't that extortionate; £62 for Arsenal vs Man City at the Emirates or £25 for Swindon vs Shrewsbury at the Country Ground - it ain't the Arsenal / Man City fans that are getting screwed over.

Double plus, you can pay a lot more than £62 for a concert, play, meal, train ticket and loads of other things.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 23:40:36
Using the Arsenal v Man City ticket price for away fans to argue about football being too expensive is complete and utter bollocks. Away fans get charged the same as home fans for the same quality seat (that Guardian article was written to give the impression this is not the case).

Plus the price wasn't that extortionate; £62 for Arsenal vs Man City at the Emirates or £25 for Swindon vs Shrewsbury at the Country Ground - it ain't the Arsenal / Man City fans that are getting screwed over.

Double plus, you can pay a lot more than £62 for a concert, play, meal, train ticket and loads of other things.

Football has traditionally been for the working man.  For fans of Arsenal, Man City and the like, it's now a middle class pursuit. 

To put it another way, you may pay £62 for a meal but I doubt many in the working classes would, especially not every Saturday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 23:47:59
Usually the waiting staff will thank you before you leave the premises.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: nevillew on Friday, January 18, 2013, 15:20:55
Usually the waiting staff will thank you before you leave the premises.

You're not expected to tip the stewards though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, January 18, 2013, 19:20:01
You're not expected to tip the stewards though.

Rio Ferdinand took offence when he got a tip last time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: nevillew on Friday, January 18, 2013, 19:23:12
It was a highbrow establishment though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanTheMan on Friday, January 18, 2013, 19:44:39
Football has traditionally been for the working man.  For fans of Arsenal, Man City and the like, it's now a middle class pursuit.  

To put it another way, you may pay £62 for a meal but I doubt many in the working classes would, especially not every Saturday.

Very true, but due to all manner of things, many people who would have grown up a generation or two ago as 'working class', now fall into the 'middle class' bracket.  Whether we like it or not, more disposable income = more expensive football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Friday, January 18, 2013, 19:54:57
When i was 12 years old and living at The Limes childrens home i was given 50p pocket money every week....i felt incredibly rich though i was miffed one week when i posted said 50p in the letter box with a letter!
Anyhow that 50p would get me in the match as kids rate(35p)...5p return on the bus,5p for a program and 5p for a bag of chips.
If the weather was good i would walk which either got me a battered sausage....or a few goes at the arcade in Gorse Hill......or maybe about 200 blackjacks or fruit salads.
If i ever won a few pence in the arcade it would be beans on toast in Nottons.

I have a thing about food you know.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Friday, January 18, 2013, 20:44:31
When i was 12 years old and living at The Limes childrens home i was given 50p pocket money every week....i felt incredibly rich though i was miffed one week when i posted said 50p in the letter box with a letter!
Anyhow that 50p would get me in the match as kids rate(35p)...5p return on the bus,5p for a program and 5p for a bag of chips.
If the weather was good i would walk which either got me a battered sausage....or a few goes at the arcade in Gorse Hill......or maybe about 200 blackjacks or fruit salads.
If i ever won a few pence in the arcade it would be beans on toast in Nottons.

I have a thing about food you know.

I had my first ever froffee coffee at Nottons, happy days indeed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, January 18, 2013, 21:07:14
When i was 12 years old and living at The Limes childrens home i was given 50p pocket money every week....i felt incredibly rich though i was miffed one week when i posted said 50p in the letter box with a letter!
Anyhow that 50p would get me in the match as kids rate(35p)...5p return on the bus,5p for a program and 5p for a bag of chips.
If the weather was good i would walk which either got me a battered sausage....or a few goes at the arcade in Gorse Hill......or maybe about 200 blackjacks or fruit salads.
If i ever won a few pence in the arcade it would be beans on toast in Nottons.

I have a thing about food you know.


:thumb: Reg likes this


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fatbasher on Friday, January 18, 2013, 21:57:35
When i was 12 years old and living at The Limes childrens home i was given 50p pocket money every week....i felt incredibly rich though i was miffed one week when i posted said 50p in the letter box with a letter!
Anyhow that 50p would get me in the match as kids rate(35p)...5p return on the bus,5p for a program and 5p for a bag of chips.
If the weather was good i would walk which either got me a battered sausage....or a few goes at the arcade in Gorse Hill......or maybe about 200 blackjacks or fruit salads.
If i ever won a few pence in the arcade it would be beans on toast in Nottons.

I have a thing about food you know.

That bought a tear to a glass eye. Top man.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: blah blah on Monday, January 21, 2013, 17:50:21
I was talking to a Brighton "fan" who lives in Bristol today. He's just had his first visit to the Amex stadium. He was telling me how great it was with the padded seats and spacious concourses. He was even raving about how the away fans area is colour coded to the away teams colours, TVs showing their teams players, goals, etc and the bar there serves the away teams local brew.

Whatever happened to giving the away team the shittest part of the ground with a drainpipe against a wall for a toilet and making it almost an intimidating, exciting experience venturing on to another teams turf ? If anything sums up what is wrong with football these days, this does.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, January 21, 2013, 18:16:11
I was talking to a Brighton "fan" who lives in Bristol today. He's just had his first visit to the Amex stadium. He was telling me how great it was with the padded seats and spacious concourses. He was even raving about how the away fans area is colour coded to the away teams colours, TVs showing their teams players, goals, etc and the bar there serves the away teams local brew.

Whatever happened to giving the away team the shittest part of the ground with a drainpipe against a wall for a toilet and making it almost an intimidating, exciting experience venturing on to another teams turf ? If anything sums up what is wrong with football these days, this does.

Word...

I like being shoved into a shitty corner...makes the victory sweet and/or unites the fans in their misery..

Exeters dogshit terrace and 'write your name in piss' black wall urinal sums this up niceley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Monday, January 21, 2013, 19:19:08
I was talking to a Brighton "fan" who lives in Bristol today. He's just had his first visit to the Amex stadium. He was telling me how great it was with the padded seats and spacious concourses. He was even raving about how the away fans area is colour coded to the away teams colours, TVs showing their teams players, goals, etc and the bar there serves the away teams local brew.

Whatever happened to giving the away team the shittest part of the ground with a drainpipe against a wall for a toilet and making it almost an intimidating, exciting experience venturing on to another teams turf ? If anything sums up what is wrong with football these days, this does.

I enjoy a shitty terrace as much as the next bloke, but that sounds great...I quite like Jennings beer, so I'll have to go and watch Carlisle play them!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Monday, January 21, 2013, 19:42:24
This thread can be summed up quite easily.

What is wrong with football? Its a game run by corrupt cunts, played by cheating braindead cunts and those who follow it passionately tend to be sadcases with nothing better to do.

Give me cricket, golf, rugby, boxing or nigh on any other sport.

Yours,
A once passionate Town ST holder who got bored and grew out of it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Monday, January 21, 2013, 19:44:32
This thread can be summed up quite easily.

What is wrong with football? Its a game run by corrupt cunts, played by cheating braindead cunts and those who follow it passionately tend to be sadcases with nothing better to do.

Give me cricket, golf, rugby, boxing or nigh on any other sport.

Yours,
A once passionate Town ST holder who got bored and grew out of it.

Have you gone off football by any chance?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Monday, January 21, 2013, 19:46:25
What gave it away :)


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: london_red on Monday, January 21, 2013, 19:51:38
This thread can be summed up quite easily.

What is wrong with football? Its a game run by corrupt cunts, played by cheating braindead cunts and those who follow it passionately tend to be sadcases with nothing better to do.

Give me cricket, golf, rugby, boxing or nigh on any other sport.

Yours,
A once passionate Town ST holder who got bored and grew out of it.

Although I am one of those sadcases I am inclined to agree with almost all of that.

Not sure if your argument is that it's run by corrupt cunts and played by braindead cunts that boxing is the best counterexample though!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Drakes Way on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 04:09:44
Very ordinary footballers earning more money in a week than the rest of us do in a decade.

That and diving.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Munichred on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 07:45:11
Another good piece in the Guardian at the moment by Will Hutton.  I don't agree with everything he writes by any means, but think he makes some really good points here, particularly in relation to the comparison with German football.

Guardian: The beautiful game embodies everything that's bad about Britain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/football-everything-bad-about-britain)

No surprise that Guardiola has gone to Bayern.  For so many reasons, I'd be a lot more confident about the future of German football than our own game.

It's not all rosy though over here. Lots of "crowd control" problems, specially in the lower leagues. This was from a recent Bundesliga game.

http://www.thelocal.de/sport/20130123-47495.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dporter on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 09:32:47
It's not all rosy though over here. Lots of "crowd control" problems, specially in the lower leagues. This was from a recent Bundesliga game.

http://www.thelocal.de/sport/20130123-47495.html

Ooh, didn't realise it was such an issue over there. Hoping to go to a Hertha game in February, are they known for crowd trouble?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Munichred on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:19:54
Ooh, didn't realise it was such an issue over there. Hoping to go to a Hertha game in February, are they known for crowd trouble?

There have been some lower league games in the last couple of years where police presence has been in the several 100's for crowds of a few thousand. These games are predominantly between teams in the former East Germany area. I don't follow the Bundesliga that closely, but as you can read in the article there is a background of flare-throwing etc. I don't think there is actually much trouble between fans in the Bundesliga, on many occasions I've seen groups of loud (often drunk) away fans here in Munich, but never seen any scrapping etc. The same when British teams come here, Chelsea last year for instance, thousands of fans from both sides on the streets but I never saw or heard of any trouble. (The Bayern fans were under shock, millions of euros expected income lost by the bars in Munich. Plenty of Schadenfreude  :) )

As long as your match isn't between Hertha and Union Berlin you should be ok. A lot of BL games are sold out, you've probably got your tickets sorted.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 23:10:32
You know something's gone wrong in football when even the ball-boys are rolling around like they've just been shot.

And when football players are kicking ball boys.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: hobodan on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 02:31:01
That ball boy deserved more than a kick in the ribs; he was blatantly lying on the ball to prevent Hazard from taking a quick throw in. I was under the impression a ball boy's job is to retrieve the ball for both teams?
If anything Swansea should be punished and the ball boy should be shot for his dramatics


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 07:53:34
That ball boy deserved more than a kick in the ribs; he was blatantly lying on the ball to prevent Hazard from taking a quick throw in. I was under the impression a ball boy's job is to retrieve the ball for both teams?
If anything Swansea should be punished and the ball boy should be shot for his dramatics

This.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bennett on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 08:31:37
That ball boy deserved more than a kick in the ribs; he was blatantly lying on the ball to prevent Hazard from taking a quick throw in. I was under the impression a ball boy's job is to retrieve the ball for both teams?
If anything Swansea should be punished and the ball boy should be shot for his dramatics


it's a contact sport, he should be able to dust himself down and stop being a cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 09:24:45
The DFL over here making a fuss and bother about Bengalos (flares)/pyro and how they are such a problem - pathetic if you ask me.

No Hertha BSC are OK, I went there earlier in the year to watch my team and most of the time fans of both teams share the same entrance to the ground and can mingle freely


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, January 26, 2013, 01:59:50
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8439699/West-Brom-forward-Peter-Odemwingie-wants-to-be-allowed-to-leave-the-club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 00:15:23
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8471805/Wycombe-goalkeeper-Jordan-Archer-attacked-by-fan-during-1-0-win-at-Gillingham

Gillingham fans eh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:16:34
I watched the Gillingham game. The summariser at half time (Matt Lawrence) was slating Gillingham's support basically saying how quiet they are.

I thought Wycombe were excellent actually and seem to have a real togetherness. Ainsworth went onto the pitch and hugged every player after the match and looked like he meant it. I fancy them for a play-off spot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:17:26
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8471805/Wycombe-goalkeeper-Jordan-Archer-attacked-by-fan-during-1-0-win-at-Gillingham

Gillingham fans eh

Looks like the stewards in the corner were clapping the incident!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:25:11
Gillingham are a nasty club with nasty fans, they deserve all the punishment possible for this awful pitch invasion and player attack.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:28:10
Note the Leeds fan in the first comment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:35:25
Note the Leeds fan in the first comment.
One little point too, the Lids fan did it in front of 28,500 fans the Gills fan in front of 4,500.

Still the media do hate Lids and rightly so!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 11:19:13
I thought it was quite funny the way he is flying through the air.

All it needs is a loud 'wheyyyyyyyyy'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 13:04:26
Looks like the stewards in the corner were clapping the incident!

Might have been St John ambulance, happy to perhaps have something to do :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 17:27:45
The governing bodies. Corrupt, inept, unintelligent, badly run, or all four. Blatant favouritism creeps in too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 19:13:52
Watch Gillingscum completely implode and get ko'd in the play-off semi finals


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 20:12:44
Gillingham are a nasty club with nasty fans, they deserve all the punishment possible for this awful pitch invasion and player attack.

No doubt they'll claim it's an isolated incident, a single fan and that the club shouldn't be punished. But it looked like a large number of Gillingham fans were applauding it. There is a nasty element at a number of clubs but for some reason the authorities seem hesitant to do anything at all about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 21:02:48
If you lived down here you'd know that a large number of Gillingscum fans are complete cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 21:29:57
If you lived down here you'd know that a large number of Gillingscum fans are complete cunts
You don't need to live there to form that opinion, just a few visits to Preistfield will tell you that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 23:51:10
A fan ran onto the pitch at the Coventry game tonight, Coventry player try's to trip him up and is given a 2nd yellow and sent off for kicking out . Was he supposed to of let the fan smack one of the players before anyone tried to stop him !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: GoSWINDON on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 23:55:43
A fan ran onto the pitch at the Coventry game tonight, Coventry player try's to trip him up and is given a 2nd yellow and sent off for kicking out . Was he supposed to of let the fan smack one of the players before anyone tried to stop him !

i saw the incident on ssn but didnt realise the player was sent off , what a joke


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 00:42:36
A fan ran onto the pitch at the Coventry game tonight, Coventry player try's to trip him up and is given a 2nd yellow and sent off for kicking out . Was he supposed to of let the fan smack one of the players before anyone tried to stop him !
Seriously? That's bloody ridiculous if true (not doubting you btw NR)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 01:02:19
But entirely according to the laws of the game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 01:04:41
But entirely according to the laws of the game.
Yeah it is but this is ' what's wrong with football "


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 01:09:48
Hence it being the rules that are wrong.  There was a clip from a Leeds Chelsea game in the 70's I think where a defender takes a fan out who came on and started dribbling with the ball, somehow the law didn't apply then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 01:15:56
Hence it being the rules that are wrong.  There was a clip from a Leeds Chelsea game in the 70's I think where a defender takes a fan out who came on and started dribbling with the ball, somehow the law didn't apply then.
Probably happened quite a few times since too, didn't see the other four Coventry players who grabbed the fan get booked though !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 01:18:52
This is how to deal with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIV_RmLkzM0


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 10:15:43
Hence it being the rules that are wrong.  There was a clip from a Leeds Chelsea game in the 70's I think where a defender takes a fan out who came on and started dribbling with the ball, somehow the law didn't apply then.

Running onto the pitch in those days used to be a laugh.

Sadly nowadays it seems only drunken Chav idiots are running on the pitch and things are more serious.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 18:35:25
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2013/02/21/huddersfield-town-faced-points-deduction-if-hull-game-not-on-sky-86081-32850056/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 22:01:04
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2013/02/21/huddersfield-town-faced-points-deduction-if-hull-game-not-on-sky-86081-32850056/

Fucking hell, the tail is wagging the dog there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 23:09:07
http://audioboo.fm/boos/1225366-ever-left-a-game-early-and-missed-the-best-bit

people who leave before the end of the game


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 23:10:31
 :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 23:11:03
Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Friday, February 22, 2013, 00:00:01
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2013/02/21/huddersfield-town-faced-points-deduction-if-hull-game-not-on-sky-86081-32850056/

That's fucking nuts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RWB Robin on Friday, February 22, 2013, 10:30:04
That's fucking nuts.
Agreed.  A real sign of the times as to what really runs football now.  Money from TV rights is the first and only priority.  How can they deduct points for this?  I know the Police generally are becoming much tougher, and not just because of security risks but because of their own financial straits, but somewhere this is all getting very, very confused.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, February 22, 2013, 12:17:22
How can they deduct points for this?

By they I take it you mean the Football League, which is run by and for the benefit of the clubs. The clubs choose who runs it and have a say in the TV deals that are agree. If they don't like the deal they shouldn't have agreed to it. If a club doesn't keep to the deal why should they benefit from it without penalty the same as clubs that do keep to it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Friday, February 22, 2013, 23:07:45
http://audioboo.fm/boos/1225366-ever-left-a-game-early-and-missed-the-best-bit

people who leave before the end of the game

Janaageisgod may have a story to tell here...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: london_red on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 13:35:38
This

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21604568

Could have been a lot worse than Jed and Co chums...

Here's an owner that really understands football

Quote
Tan referred to the dissenting voices as "a bunch of mostly young kids" and argued a change was long overdue.
"Have they achieved any success under this bluebirds brand?," he asked "So why do we hold onto something that hasn't achieved much success?"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 14:33:09
Ive just booked parking at the ricoh arena for saturday.  Booking parking in advance.  Thats a sign of whats wrong with football and Im doing it.  So Im whats wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 14:42:33
This

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21604568

Could have been a lot worse than Jed and Co chums...

Here's an owner that really understands football


I'd be alright with re-branding us red and calling ourselves the Swindon Spartans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 14:56:48
Ive just booked parking at the ricoh arena for saturday.  Booking parking in advance.  Thats a sign of whats wrong with football and Im doing it.  So Im whats wrong with football.

Haha I considered that.

Then I snapped out of it and will stick with the tried and tested method of turning up and looking for some industrial estate to park in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 18:10:19
Ive just booked parking at the ricoh arena for saturday.  Booking parking in advance.  Thats a sign of whats wrong with football and Im doing it.  So Im whats wrong with football.

Yeah because that queueing up for an hour behind 300 cars with their drivers all inching forward until they fumble for pound coins in front of a bloke in a shed was always the highlight of any awayday........?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, March 2, 2013, 20:11:03
FIFA.

If Qatar cannot hold the WC when they are supposed to, take it away from them. I believe this was always the plan to switch it to Winter. The air conditioned indoor stadiums was always bollocks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 16:16:42
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/07/qpr-accounts-wage-bill-spending-spree

Wherever Redknapp goes, carnage ensues!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 16:24:48
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/07/qpr-accounts-wage-bill-spending-spree

Wherever Redknapp goes, carnage ensues!

In fairness, Mark Hughes has always been able to spend a fair bit, although Harry will have added to that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 16:49:51
Having seen Mr Ferdinand's reaction to the ref on Tuesday, I reckon we should trial this (not to be broadcast, although I'd love to see just what shit refs get) and let someone issue bans for inappropriate behaviour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur69HDsCSus


On the flip side, however, I'd like to see ref's being more accountable and explaining why they made certain decisions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:06:50
Would be fascinating in football but the barrier to live broadcast of swearing and verbal abuse from the current crop of top class 'professionals' in our game will be difficult to surmount for a long time yet. Even just a muted version would be good though for indicating what sort of view a referee gets of an incident, something often debated in post-match analysis.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:45:02
Would be fascinating in football but the barrier to live broadcast of swearing and verbal abuse from the current crop of top class 'professionals' in our game will be difficult to surmount for a long time yet. Even just a muted version would be good though for indicating what sort of view a referee gets of an incident, something often debated in post-match analysis.

Whenever I've seen the broadcasting of the ref's audio being broadcast discussed the consensus has always been that the swearing from players would end immediately - the top clubs would stop it as it would be far too damaging for their image and embarrassing. Though that's probably the main reason clubs would try and block it.

Would be a good move and could only be an improvement, should help reduce the abuse refs get as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:51:00
Whenever I've seen the broadcasting of the ref's audio being broadcast discussed the consensus has always been that the swearing from players would end immediately


Ha. Yeah, right.

Not a fucking chance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 18:01:34
Try thinking it through before reaching a conclusion.

Having players swearing at each other and the referee broadcast all over the world (they'd never be able to bleep it all) to millions of people would be highly damaging to the image of the PL, the clubs and the players themselves.

Do you really think sponsors like Aon and Emirates would be happy for their logo to be on the shirts of players screaming out non-stop expletives? They'd be terminating their deals on the spot, losing clubs millions and millions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 18:06:47
You try thinking it through Johnny, you're not being very practical here. Do you really think you would be able to stop them from swearing?

When somebody misses an important goal or is fouled how do you think they are going to react? Oh gosh. What a rotter

Footballers tend to be from working class backgrounds and poorly educated at that. Plus they are working in a high pressure environment where a lot is at stake and they are going to vent.

There would not be a snowball's chance in hell of stopping them from swearing. Reduce it maybe. Stop it, not a chance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 18:18:11
Someone posted this here a couple of months ago which seems pertinent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ruNosLNOE


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 18:24:47
Here is what football would be like if the ref's mics were made public;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXoBNFOxlQM


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 18:27:50
 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 18:30:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04EHwofdv3M


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 18:51:56
It's a well known fact that cricketers never use naughty words or are mean to one another


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 19:23:59
New Zealand were mean to England last night. Actually I think England were mean to themselves.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: penhillbilly on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 20:25:14
Whenever I've seen the broadcasting of the ref's audio being broadcast discussed the consensus has always been that the swearing from players would end immediately - the top clubs would stop it as it would be far too damaging for their image and embarrassing. Though that's probably the main reason clubs would try and block it.

Would be a good move and could only be an improvement, should help reduce the abuse refs get as well.

oh please,do fuck off and eat you're tofu dip at Twickenham, thank you   :baby:...swearing is an integral part of the game and long may it remain so... :cunty:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 8, 2013, 00:20:25
I know it's a bit off thread, but I've really taken to RU in the past few years (mostly because I can drink during the game).  It would be interesting to see a ref try and treat the players like a RU ref does in football.  It is rather amusing watching 20 stone lumps saying please and thank you Sir.  Of course the fucking swear, try having someone stamp on your head legally, but they seem to be well controlled by the refs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 22:34:43
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal# (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal#)

The idea that in the future if we went up to the Championship as a newly promoted club, we'd be getting just under a 10th of the money given in parachute payments to a newly relegated club, and still be expected to compete under FFP. Fucking ridiculous.

Clubs like ours will just have no chance of progressing at that level in the future.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 22:44:02
Fucking hell even the difference in money between this level and the next up is staggering. If we go up we will benefit from 2 million in extra revenue just from TV money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, March 29, 2013, 23:46:02
Maybe all the facts haven't come out but I can't get my head round the latest racism claims against the England fans.

Apparently against San Marino they were singing 'build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put Rio on the top, put Anton in the middle, then burn the f****** lot'. Not a particularly nice thing to sing, extremely offensive but where is the racism?

It appears FARE (who made the complaint) base the claim of racism on the fact the song included Anton and that as he'd been involved in a racism case recently, then the song must be racist. I really don't get the logic.

Things like this can only have a negative impact on the fight against racism. No doubt it's just another person / organisation trying to make a name for themselves by getting in the middle of a racism scandal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Friday, March 29, 2013, 23:57:32
Maybe all the facts haven't come out but I can't get my head round the latest racism claims against the England fans.

Apparently against San Marino they were singing 'build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put Rio on the top, put Anton in the middle, then burn the f****** lot'. Not a particularly nice thing to sing, extremely offensive but where is the racism?

It appears FARE (who made the complaint) base the claim of racism on the fact the song included Anton and that as he'd been involved in a racism case recently, then the song must be racist. I really don't get the logic.

Things like this can only have a negative impact on the fight against racism. No doubt it's just another person / organisation trying to make a name for themselves by getting in the middle of a racism scandal.

I can honestly say that I have only ever met 3 truly racist people in my life and guess what



They were all black with massive chips on their shoulders


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Saturday, March 30, 2013, 20:17:06
I can honestly say that I have only ever met 3 truly racist people in my life and guess what



They were all black with massive chips on their shoulders

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, March 30, 2013, 21:31:24
Should this thread be re-titled "What's wrong with racism?"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: skay on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 01:34:26
Any song to the tune of 'Sloop John B' is what's wrong with football. Also the away goals rule, music after goals, birthday announcements 5 minutes from the end of an important match, the fact that sky think football started in 1992,  the transfer window, postponed matches, drums at any ground and the england band now i mention drums, Franchise, moving to a shit cliche of a bowl ground nowhere near your city centre or train station, FA cup semi finals at Wembley, the price for a meal deal at Wembley, half and half scarves, any northern ground that doesn't supply a fish and chips quality to that of Crewes, that we don't put all away fans out on the bank especially if it's a rainy cold midweek match,  any reason for supporting your club that isn't the fact that your club is/was your local club. The fact that I have to get up at 6 o'clock to ensure that I get to Doncaster promptly because Sky are fucking tosspots. Rant probably not over.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 10:35:54
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal# (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal#)

The idea that in the future if we went up to the Championship as a newly promoted club, we'd be getting just under a 10th of the money given in parachute payments to a newly relegated club, and still be expected to compete under FFP. Fucking ridiculous.

Clubs like ours will just have no chance of progressing at that level in the future.

The only counter to that argument is that it's been a pretty uneven playing field for ages, and it hasn't stopped Blackpool, Swansea and Burnley getting there, and it isn't helping Blackpool and Blackburn in the league right now.

It didn't stop Norwich, Southampton, Leeds, even Manchester City dropping to the third tier.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanTheMan on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 10:59:34
Any song to the tune of 'Sloop John B' is what's wrong with football. Also the away goals rule, music after goals, birthday announcements 5 minutes from the end of an important match, the fact that sky think football started in 1992,  the transfer window, postponed matches, drums at any ground and the england band now i mention drums, Franchise, moving to a shit cliche of a bowl ground nowhere near your city centre or train station, FA cup semi finals at Wembley, the price for a meal deal at Wembley, half and half scarves, any northern ground that doesn't supply a fish and chips quality to that of Crewes, that we don't put all away fans out on the bank especially if it's a rainy cold midweek match,  any reason for supporting your club that isn't the fact that your club is/was your local club. The fact that I have to get up at 6 o'clock to ensure that I get to Doncaster promptly because Sky are fucking tosspots. Rant probably not over.

This

Pretty much sums up the way I feel about football TM PLC in the year 2013.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 12:43:12
The only counter to that argument is that it's been a pretty uneven playing field for ages, and it hasn't stopped Blackpool, Swansea and Burnley getting there, and it isn't helping Blackpool and Blackburn in the league right now.

It didn't stop Norwich, Southampton, Leeds, even Manchester City dropping to the third tier.

I agree.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=51066.msg1177370#msg1177370 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=51066.msg1177370#msg1177370)

If you get lucky with the magic combination of teamwork and players it can work. But you do have to get lucky, and you're working to severely reduced odds made worse when the rise in parachute payments for the bigger teams is exacerbated by the restrictions (which I do support) of FFP on the smaller ones.

It's just establishing the current (rotten) financial cycle: wages keep rising meaning parachute payments have to keep rising to underwrite them meaning teams in the Prem can be more reckless and willing to gamble more money on staying up meaning the players wages keep rising etc. etc. creating a greater and greater divide between the upper and lower divisions.

The problem is tackling the symptom (we need to be able to underwrite our players high wages) but not the cause (the players wages are too high).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, April 13, 2013, 22:19:01
Millwall fans at it again, though at least they were just fighting amongst themselves this time.

How many times has this happened with their fans?

When are the authorities going to do something about it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 14:46:02
Sepp Blatter wallowing in his own corpulence at the end of this article makes my skin crawl.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22351630


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 16:38:23
Sepp Blatter wallowing in his own corpulence at the end of this article makes my skin crawl.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22351630

The question is why it's taken so long. It must be around 20 years since 'How They Stole The Game' was published which is the story how Havelange used bungs to get into FIFA, and took backhanders, and nearly 40 years after he did it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 17:47:26
Which is more evil and corrupt? FIFA or the IOC? It'd be a close run thing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 17:53:30
Which is more evil and corrupt? FIFA or the IOC? It'd be a close run thing

Oh god, no it wouldn't, FIFA every time. The IOC's only been corrupt since that filthy Belgian Rogge took power. FIFA's been corrupt for decades.

The question is why it's taken so long. It must be around 20 years since 'How They Stole The Game' was published which is the story how Havelange used bungs to get into FIFA, and took backhanders, and nearly 40 years after he did it.

Because everyone in the organisation is taking huge bribes, they want to wait till one of their ex-members is about to cop it until they accuse him. Spotlight off them, people get their hate figure, and he doesn't have to suffer it for long. Boom. Problem sorted for a little bit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 18:05:57
Quote
The IOC's only been corrupt since that filthy Belgian Rogge took power. FIFA's been corrupt for decades.

You are either Juan Antonio Samaranch, or his mum. :)

Though Jack Warner has to be the most vile little weasel in world sport.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 18:19:07
You are either Juan Antonio Samaranch, or his mum. :)

CURSES, FOILED AGAIN.

If you're referring to him opening up the IOC as a global brand billboard, instead of one that supported local businesses, it was only a matter of time before that happened. I don't think it should be that way, and don't thank him for it, but it does just seem to be the way everything goes eventually.

Though Jack Warner has to be the most vile little weasel in world sport who's been caught.

Fixed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 18:49:09

Fixed.

Good point, well made.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 19:23:14
Millwall fans at it again, though at least they were just fighting amongst themselves this time.

How many times has this happened with their fans?

When are the authorities going to do something about it?

Millwall,Palace tonight...sell out and that will be very tasty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 20:48:17
So a 96 year old resigns having taken shitloads of money - as does an 86 year old. They don't have to repay anything either. Fuck me that'll teach them. So what happened to Texeira? But its alright as Blatter was totally exonerated and that concludes the investigation.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 21:51:27
I couldn't think of the right place to put this, but I feel at least part of the story will belong in this thread.

Quote
An interesting little tale from The Den, where Millwall substituted Dany N'Guessan off just 15 minutes after bringing him on - and he wasn't injured. He was booed by his own fans as he took his time in walking off the pitch. He ignored manager Kenny Jackett and walked down the tunnel.

From the live ticker on the BBC website. Anyone heard anything about this?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, May 6, 2013, 13:39:48
You can buy a 300 piece puzzle of Manchester United's Finance Director

http://www.amazon.co.uk/portrait-Manchester-United-Finance-Director/dp/B002113DSW/ref=pd_sim_sbs_kh_5


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 6, 2013, 13:42:59
Amazing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, May 6, 2013, 13:44:07
The reviews are brilliant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 6, 2013, 14:11:51
It's a pity the club didn't do one of Sandy Gray whilst she was here. It would've been a money spinner.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Monday, May 6, 2013, 20:05:15
It's a pity the club didn't do one of Sandy Gray whilst she was here. It would've been a money spinner.

And 17.5% cheaper than other puzzles.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:48:29
Clayton Fucking Donaldson


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:53:38
The rapist song that was aimed at him amused but also confused me... was it a case of mistaken identity??


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:56:10
Yes, Clayton McDonald was acquitted in the Ched Evans trial


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 11:49:14
And 17.5% cheaper than other puzzles.
Instead of the VAT do you get Christian Roberts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 12:07:56
I've never understood people who have a favourite Formula One team. (They'll be dancing in the streets of Marussia Cosworth tonight) and football's become like that. It's interesting to watch the best people in the world do something they're good at, but that doesn't sustain a deep, 92 club culture of the game.

"What's wrong with football" is that Bournemouth fan on the other thread, not recognising he's irrelevant. In the same way every Man City fan, every Chelsea fan and even every QPR fan is. He's the sort of fan that leads to idiots like Venky's buying clubs.

Bournemouth's success is entirely due to Mr A.N. Other dodgy businessman laundering cash through hugely loss-making investments. The fact that they are playing football is almost beside the point. They could be Bournemouth, Burnley or Bradford. The connection between the club and the fan is irrelevant.

The only thing - literally the only thing McCoy has said that I like is that he wants the club embedded in the community. There are only a handful of clubs left that do it properly (and you could probably find reasons to exclude all of them) with a local chairman, commitment to youth and their community. Maybe Crewe, Middlesborough, Swansea, West Brom and perhaps Palace. Forest and Southampton used to be good examples, but have sold out.

</rant>


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 12:28:46
Bournemouth's success is entirely due to Mr A.N. Other dodgy businessman laundering cash through hugely loss-making investments. </rant>


That can't possibly be true, he must've passed the FA's extensive fit-and-proper persons test so.... 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 9, 2013, 11:59:37
Tim Lovejoy has got a new show. Here's that book review again to aid retention of sanity:

http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/42-Media/145-no-love-no-joy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Thursday, May 9, 2013, 12:59:09
Tim Lovejoy has got a new show. Here's that book review again to aid retention of sanity:

http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/42-Media/145-no-love-no-joy

Love that article. This thread doesn't need 16 pages. It needs the words "Tim Lovejoy" and it can then be locked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 9, 2013, 13:17:46
“The hardest thing about leaving ­Soccer AM, is the thought that I might no longer be influencing the game.”

[url width=228 height=283]http://thefastertimes.com/famehype/files/2011/01/ricky_gervais_16246.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Thursday, May 9, 2013, 13:24:19
He's a cock of the highest order, a 40 something old man trying to live the life of a 22 year old with the views of a blinkered pony.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: carbonwhite on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 03:25:15
He's a cock of the highest order, a 40 something old man trying to live the life of a 22 year old with the views of a blinkered pony.
Reminds me of Pat Sharp


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 07:55:26
The only thing - literally the only thing McCoy has said that I like is that he wants the club embedded in the community. There are only a handful of clubs left that do it properly (and you could probably find reasons to exclude all of them) with a local chairman, commitment to youth and their community. Maybe Crewe, Middlesborough, Swansea, West Brom and perhaps Palace. Forest and Southampton used to be good examples, but have sold out.

Burnley seem to be a club that engages the local community and is punching above its weight.

Its a shame, but the community of Swindon is far removed from Burnley when it comes to buying in to the local football team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 08:09:50
He's a cock of the highest order, a 40 something old man trying to live the life of a 22 year old with the views of a blinkered pony.

Like most of the posters on here then really......  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 08:12:29
Burnley seem to be a club that engages the local community and is punching above its weight.

Its a shame, but the community of Swindon is far removed from Burnley when it comes to buying in to the local football team.

I agree.  Just by taking a look at a map, you can see that Burnley is significantly smaller than Swindon...and yet they manage to hold their own in the Championship year after year with crowds well in excess of ours.

Another example I'd add to the list is Ipswich.  Again, smaller than Swindon.  But they are much more embedded in the local community - as their crowds and their history suggest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 08:17:05
The only thing - literally the only thing McCoy has said that I like is that he wants the club embedded in the community.

That won't happen


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 08:33:42
17:15 kick off at Wembley today. That's what's wrong with football!


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 08:38:17
I didn't even realise it was the FA cup final today. Not sure if that says more about me or more about the lack of gravitas that the final now holds. Both probably.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 08:42:41
I hadn't even realised it was today either. The FA Cup final should be the weekend after the league season finishes. Stupid UEFA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 11:09:53
I agree.  Just by taking a look at a map, you can see that Burnley is significantly smaller than Swindon...and yet they manage to hold their own in the Championship year after year with crowds well in excess of ours.

Another example I'd add to the list is Ipswich.  Again, smaller than Swindon.  But they are much more embedded in the local community - as their crowds and their history suggest.

Having been out in Burnley after we played Accrington, their success may be more down to a lack of anything else to do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 11:23:58
Having been out in Burnley after we played Accrington, their success may be more down to a lack of anything else to do.

Surely with Blackburn and Bradford not far...oh I see your point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 11:30:59
There is often a comparison in relative sizes of Town's when we look at stuff like this, but isn't the problem that although Swindon has grown dramatically in size over the years most of the people that have moved in have done so to commute elsewhere and don't really have much (if any) history with the Town.

What Swindon have appeared to fail to do over the years is get the local kids hooked, and build a crowd for the future.

I don't know the actual numbers, but I've always though that it appears as if a big percentage of Town's fans come from the outlying areas rather than the Town itself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 11:39:16
There is often a comparison in relative sizes of Town's when we look at stuff like this, but isn't the problem that although Swindon has grown dramatically in size over the years most of the people that have moved in have done so to commute elsewhere and don't really have much (if any) history with the Town.

What Swindon have appeared to fail to do over the years is get the local kids hooked, and build a crowd for the future.

I don't know the actual numbers, but I've always though that it appears as if a big percentage of Town's fans come from the outlying areas rather than the Town itself.
As an ex-Stroud lad I was one of a large group growing up that started following the Town as it was our 'local' FL club. If we'd been growing up in the same area now then we would most likely have been drawn more to Cheltenham Town.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 12:18:18
Burnley seem to be a club that engages the local community and is punching above its weight.

Its a shame, but the community of Swindon is far removed from Burnley when it comes to buying in to the local football team.

The club can be accussed of many things down the years, but not engaging with the community isn't really one of them. Most community stuff is funded by grants, therefore various STFC boards have only been too happy to sign up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 13:23:54
Surely with Blackburn and Bradford not far...oh I see your point.

Bradford, random selection of club when referring to Burnley isn't it?

Just looked up on map, I had no idea Bradford was as close as it was (as the crow flies anyway).


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 15:05:36
Bradford, random selection of club when referring to Burnley isn't it?

Just looked up on map, I had no idea Bradford was as close as it was (as the crow flies anyway).
I meant as places for rob (and the Burnley populous) to go out in instead of Burnley, rather than alternative teams to support


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:12:15
Burnley is pretty much our town centre with Broad St area surrounding it, maybe with a bit of Parks thrown in.  Not pretty.  The football must be a godsend for the local populus.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:18:32
I meant as places for rob (and the Burnley populous) to go out in instead of Burnley, rather than alternative teams to support

I get you now, my point stands, as I never realised if you head east from Burnley then Bradford's where you'd get to (well ish). Never associated the two that close to each other, but they are.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:28:16
Andy fucking Townsend


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:34:18
Andy fucking Townsend

ITV's coverage as a whole


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:14:05
Wigan in Europe.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:16:22
Wigan in Europe.

By just reaching the final, they were  going to be playing in Europe anyway...


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:25:41
Wigan in Europe.
I would put this in the what's right with football thread. Unfancied, squad that cost a fraction of Man City's,  proving that sometimes it's not just about money. Well done Wigan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:27:11
46 games, the domestic cups (inc. Charity Shield) and the Europa League format.

Long ol' season ahead for Wigan if they go down.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kaufman on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:37:15
ITV's coverage as a whole

Disagree with that, I'm the first to have a go at ITV but they got it right today.

The Subbuteo cup montage was something special.
The Whealan Cup final Leg Break story was covered well and they showed plenty of the past cup finals when the cup was more important to the nation.

Some great post match captures and best final i've seen since Liverpool v West Ham



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:44:47
Itv has never been the same since the ending of saint and greavsie


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 20:06:24
I would put this in the what's right with football thread. Unfancied, squad that cost a fraction of Man City's,  proving that sometimes it's not just about money. Well done Wigan.

You say that but, without Whelan's money, Wigan would be parading little more than the Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

It's a great achievement regardless because Wigan are among a collective of traditionally smaller teams who have thrived in the last decade yet have actually won a big trophy.

Swansea City: League Cup Winners - 2013
Wigan Athletic: FA Cup Winners - 2013

Here's a pointless and irrelevant stat: In 1996/97 - Wigan, Swansea, Fulham, Cardiff and Hull were all in Division 4 (Brighton were too only surviving on goal difference).

Swindon Town will get a committed, long-haul millionaire one day... Right?


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 20:24:04
I know Whelan's bankrolled the club. But you can't compare his investment with the money pumped into the top end of the premiership. I long for the day some Swindon millionaire decides to spunk all his money on us.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 20:29:49
I know Whelan's bankrolled the club. But you can't compare his investment with the money pumped into the top end of the premiership. I long for the day some Swindon millionaire decides to spunk all his money on us.

I think you can to an extent it's just different levels of money. There's a lot of people out there who get sanctimonious about big-time bankrolling. Personally, I also long for the day a person does that to Swindon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 20:34:30
If someone wants to piss away millions on a football club I'm all for it, especially as at least some of the money will filter down the leagues through transfer fees. But only if they are giving the club the money as a gift. Unfortunately pretty much all the money put in to clubs is in the form of loans and that includes Wigan. If they don't want the money back, why give it as loans?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 20:37:15
 :doh:I'd love a Dave whelan type to sort out the shit we are in. Fair play to him and wigan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 20:45:14
If someone wants to piss away millions on a football club I'm all for it, especially as at least some of the money will filter down the leagues through transfer fees. But only if they are giving the club the money as a gift. Unfortunately pretty much all the money put in to clubs is in the form of loans and that includes Wigan. If they don't want the money back, why give it as loans?

Tax efficiency.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 20:48:05
Whalen has bank rolled them but they do a lot to be self sufficient, they have a great scouting network in south America which is where they pick a lot of their talent cheap and sell them off for large profits


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 22:16:43
Whalen has bank rolled them but they do a lot to be self sufficient, they have a great scouting network in south America which is where they pick a lot of their talent cheap and sell them off for large profits

Having worked in Wigan for fours years (but thankfully no longer) whilst I don't know how much Whelan does bung in each year but it must be a fair amount.  It is deep in rugby league territory and football comes a far second,  no one I worked with went to football, they were all egg chasing fans (although strangely majority were Warrington rather than Wigan fans?) Where they do seem to do well is that unless it's one of the big north west teams visiting you can normally get a ticket,  lost count of number of friends who have taken their kids to first premier game there,  so suggest that they have a large proportion of casual non alliegence fans.

Oh and on the other issue we also had an office in Burnley and it is a very deprived and depressing place,  whilst it may be geographically close to Bradford as the Crow flies its separated by the pennines which make the drive pretty but inconvenient.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, May 14, 2013, 21:09:41
"Believe"

"Keep the faith"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 09:35:12
Whalen has bank rolled them but they do a lot to be self sufficient, they have a great scouting network in south America which is where they pick a lot of their talent cheap and sell them off for large profits
So does that make them good or bad? It does zero for English players and the national team that they have basically acted as some kind of cheap entry point for overseas players from "untapped markets", in South & Central America, with a fair chunk of their money to do it coming from foreign TV rights...

I suddenly feel like I am about to join UKIP after writing that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:50:33
Footballers!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22537941


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: cheltred69 on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 13:39:11
So does that make them good or bad? It does zero for English players and the national team that they have basically acted as some kind of cheap entry point for overseas players from "untapped markets", in South & Central America, with a fair chunk of their money to do it coming from foreign TV rights...

I suddenly feel like I am about to join UKIP after writing that.

But that's what the Premier League is all about. 
It has nothing to do with developing English players, and has set itself up to attract talent from across the world. The more countries having players in the PL, the wider the global spread of its brand. 
I enjoy watching PL games as a neutral but feel no affinity towards EPL clubs even when they're playing in European competitions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Thursday, May 16, 2013, 09:37:09
Agree 100%, though I am sure the idea of it helping the national team was one of the fig leaves used for the breakaway. That and our 1990 case totally fucking up relations between the FA and Football League.

Watching the Prem does feel like watching corporate franchises slug it out, despite the pretensions of clubs (yes this means you Liverpool) to uphold some grand set of values.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Saturday, May 18, 2013, 22:17:11
Play-off final winners awarded cups and medals as if they've won some decade-long inter-galactic cup competition.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Saturday, May 18, 2013, 23:44:07
I think Wigan are playing a good game in a bad market. The only way a club with a budget like they have can succeed in the Premier League is to get a load of really talented South Americans (or other continent) who are willing to play for £5-£10k a week, with the promise that if a bigger club comes knocking after a few of seasons they'll be allowed to leave for a reasonable return. English players are notoriously expensive, and they'd have to have developed them themselves, or nabbed them before a proper club did, ala Victor Moses, both of which are very rare nowadays.

I don't think you can criticise their approach. They do everything very well and have survived a number of seasons in the top flight, way above their natural level when considering support, through shrewd managerial appointments and a fruitful scouting network. For clubs working around our level it seems attainable; I'd be happy if we adopted their approach, though maybe with a bit more youth going on. A generous benefactor also helps.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:14:59
Yeovil on the brink of The Championship.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:31:17
Yeovil on the brink of The Championship.
Yep, because they have over spent and have the largest budget in the league.

Muppet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:34:01
Yeovil on the brink of The Championship.

I'll be pleased if they go up instead of Brentford.  Also puts two fingers up to the clubs (including us) who've had big budgets and overpaid players and got nowhere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:36:39
The commentator said Yeovil have the smallest budget in League 1.

Them getting promoted would be what is right with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:37:50
Yep, because they have over spent and have the largest budget in the league.

Muppet.

When the fuck did I ever say that you stupid attention seeking streak of piss?

 :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:38:30
If there are any pictures of Donaldson looking dejected, post them up please. Could do with a good laugh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:47:39
When the fuck did I ever say that you stupid attention seeking streak of piss?

 :girlgiggle:
Whoosh...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:49:06
Whoosh...

No, not at all. Did you not see the ' :girlgiggle: ' ?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:51:29
Just looking at all the empty seats at Wembley, Cant recall seeing that many empty when we played there. I know the cost is probably part of the reason and maybe piss poor support. Okay, think i just answered my own question.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:52:29
Anyway Crispy. What makes you think Yeovil reaching the Championship (if they hold on) is something that is wrong with football?

I'm intrigued.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:53:42
Just looking at all the empty seats at Wembley, Cant recall seeing that many empty when we played there. I know the cost is probably part of the reason and maybe piss poor support. Okay, think i just answered my own question.
Cue load of comments about how the play offs should be held at Villa Park...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:55:59
Yeovil population 40,000, Yeovil fans at Wembley 20,000

That is anything but piss poor from them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:57:56
Anyway Crispy. What makes you think Yeovil reaching the Championship (if they hold on) is something that is wrong with football?

I'm intrigued.

They're shite, Play-Offs are shite, Brentford should should of gone up for finishing third. And yes I did say that before we played them. I've said it every year, Play-Offs are nothing more than money spinning rubbish. How is it fair that Swindon got a chance at promotion over Brentford?

And yes, I do know we got to the Premier League via the Play-Offs when we didn't finish 1 place outside the automatic spots.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:58:25
I think the playoffs should be held at the emerites or maybe villa park


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 15:37:25
If there are any pictures of Donaldson looking dejected, post them up please. Could do with a good laugh.

Bad luck Clayton...........

There's always next season!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 15:40:16
Dont think Harlee Dean will be sssshhing today 8)

[url width=768 height=1024]http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/tanswell2010/0704564948b4d4e3a3794c2d8cebde79.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 15:45:41
Twats like that in their team and the way their fans goaded us from the pitch at the end of the semi final is the exact reason I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them.

The only slightly gutting thing is that we could have beaten Yeovil today.  They offered very little.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:04:00
Thinking about his ssshhhh celebration and him sat in the changing room having lost is making me smiiiiiile.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:10:37
Football clubs and fans have understood since 1986/87 that if you finish immediately outside the automatic spots then you go in to the Play-Offs.

I still like them even after Brighton, Millwall and Brentford.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:19:07
Football clubs and fans have understood since 1986/87 that if you finish immediately outside the automatic spots then you go in to the Play-Offs.

I still like them even after Brighton, Millwall and Brentford.
:nod:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:14:18
Brentford are cunts.

I have to put up with Yeovil fans insisting they're better than us on a regular basis.

There were no winners for me the moment we lost to Brentford.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:20:08
I preferred the original playoffs, when the team 'just about good enough to stay up' played the teams 'not quite good enough to go up'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:22:23
Brentford are cunts.

I have to put up with Yeovil fans insisting they're better than us on a regular basis.

There were no winners for me the moment we lost to Brentford.
I have had 7 txts from Yeovil fans (almost all my local mates are Yeovil fans) and I don't hold any grudges against them really, we beat them twice that makes us better than them :D

Let them enjoy their success, it will probably be fairly short lived but fair play for doing what they did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:23:43
Oh and Harlee Dean is a fucking cock.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:26:01
Oh and Harlee Dean is a fucking cock.
flints goading of him doing the pig nose gesture in the second leg was funny.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:31:59
flints goading of him doing the pig nose gesture in the second leg was funny.

Flint's quite funny when he starts goading. I think he might turn into the club joker now the Top Boi has gone.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:43:30
Oh and Harlee Dean is a fucking cock.

Yep, of all the Brentford players he is the one who makes me happy that they fucked it up


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:49:12
What did Harlee Dean do?  Apart from spelling his name like a cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Langers on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:00:24
Arsenal's over celebration of 4th place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:04:17
Arsenal's over celebration of 4th place.

Beat me to it.

Totally meaningless final day of the season if you are ignore Sky's manufactured hype


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:08:06
Beat me to it.

Totally meaningless final day of the season if you are ignore Sky's manufactured hype

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:19:53
Beat me to it.

Totally meaningless final day of the season if you are ignore Sky's manufactured hype

Actually it sums up completely what is wrong with football.

It is more important to finish 4th in the premier League (and thus qualify for the Not Just Champions league) than it is to actually win a trophy.

It, along with the fact that Wolves start with a £20m head start on the rest of league 1 next season thanks to their parachute payment from the premier league for being shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:55:47
Not only that, the PL were planning to have a play-off between Arse and Chelsea to see who finished THIRD at Villa Park, if they finished with the same number of points, goal diff and goal scored.

If still level, they should then go between the results between the two sides, then if it is still level, pick a neutral ground, and have a penalty shoot-out between the sides with the players who finished the previous day behind closed doors. If a penalty shoot out can decide a promotion place, it can certainly decide who finishes bloody fourth.

Why should thousands of fans pay a fair few quid to see a mostly meaningless match?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:57:13
Oh and Harlee Dean is a fucking cock.

And Jonathan Douglas' superb record in play-off finals continue...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 19:24:42
It is more important to finish 4th in the premier League (and thus qualify for the Not Just Champions league) than it is to actually win a trophy.

Given the choice for next season of us finishing 3rd and making the playoffs, or 7th and winning the JPT which would you go for?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 19:30:20
Given the choice for next season of us finishing 3rd and making the playoffs, or 7th and winning the JPT which would you go for?

Given our recent record in the play-offs, a Wembley win.

That said, if you win the play-offs you get a trophy. ;)

I guess the question should be, would you have preferred to have won the JPT this season or lose the play-offs?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 23:39:22
I preferred the original playoffs, when the team 'just about good enough to stay up' played the teams 'not quite good enough to go up'.

I'd forgotten about that.  Anyone know why it changed?  It's also a shame they changed the away goals rule, would have seen us through to the final

What did Harlee Dean do?  Apart from spelling his name like a cunt.


He celebrated directly in front of the Swindon fans when he scored at Griffin Park goading us and telling us all to shhhhhhhhhush. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Monday, May 20, 2013, 00:24:16
Also he looks like a neo nazi, oh and he's best mates with John Terry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 17:16:51
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22627036

UEFA banning clubs for financial reasons but not for racism.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 18:52:53
It would be wrong to ban a team from Europe because of racism. If it's the fans being racist play it behind closed doors, otherwise why punish a team for something that is out of their control? Debts on the other hand are the club's fault.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 20:56:35
The ridiculous hoohah over Beckham's last game for PSG


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 21:03:44
The ridiculous hoohah over Beckham's last game for PSG

I think I've missed it.  Are they going overboard with the adulation?  I think he seems a decent chap so I don't begrudge it really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 21:06:34
People I've grown up with (I live in the Welsh Valleys) openly changing the football team they 'support'. The amount of Cardiff 'fans' & new season ticket holders around here makes me fucking sick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 21:19:16
People I've grown up with (I live in the Welsh Valleys) openly changing the football team they 'support'. The amount of Cardiff 'fans' & new season ticket holders around here makes me fucking sick.

Urgh, I cannot understand changing allegiance.  More often than not, Swindon are dogshite but it just makes the occasional bit of success all the more enjoyable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arnold.J.Rimmer on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:02:48
People I've grown up with (I live in the Welsh Valleys) openly changing the football team they 'support'. The amount of Cardiff 'fans' & new season ticket holders around here makes me fucking sick.

Who did they support before?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:06:48
Who did they support before?

If they came from the valleys they probably didn't care about football, they were too busy shagging their siblings/parents/cousins/family sheep.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:13:06
The ridiculous hoohah over Beckham's last game for PSG

I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:24:16
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:37:13
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.

Totally agree Nemo.  Beckham was a game changing player who gave 100% for club and country.  There's not many people who could turn themselves from a hate figure in 1998 to what he became.

People who slag him off are quick to overlook the massive amount of work he does for charity as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DV Canio on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 23:54:09
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.

Indeed.

Went to LA for the money and lifestyle too soon. He was only 32 when he signed for them - which in some cases can still be the peak of your career. Lampard, Scholes and Giggs have all played at the top level (at a reduced rate admittedly) well past 32.

if he'd wait till he was 35 before going out there I think more people would have understood...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 18:44:25
Was merely saying the hoohah at Paris,for whom he played a dozen or so games,was merely celebrity related and that is one of the things that is wrong with football today.Plus,saying he is underrated is a joke,surely?Just because that half-wit Waddle made a ridiculous comment is not proof of under appreciation.Dont think anyone has ever doubted his work rate and passion for England but his pedestal has risen far too high in my opinion.However,dont think he would get in a best "Ferguson era" Man Utd X1.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 18:47:10
.....besides,Scholes,Giggs,Lampard and Owen were far better players in my opinion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 21:19:04
Who did they support before?
Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa among others!!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 21:19:42
If they came from the valleys they probably didn't care about football, they were too busy shagging their siblings/parents/cousins/family sheep.
:D ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mrverve on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 21:26:18
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.

A few years ago I did a bit of research and found that from 2000-2006 Beckham was involved in about 85% of England's goals during that period.

Staggering.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, May 24, 2013, 08:43:00
A few years ago I did a bit of research and found that from 2000-2006 Beckham was involved in about 85% of England's goals during that period.

Staggering.

The best distributor of the ball I have ever seen 'in the flesh' was Glenn Hoddle. Some of his passes when in a Town shirt were sublime, 50- 60 yard cross field passes landing on a sixpence. Beckham was close to Hoddle in his accuracy and vision. All IMHO of course.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 24, 2013, 08:53:48
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.

Agree with all of this, and unlike Chris Waddle he can actually say the word penalty!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 24, 2013, 10:20:08
Becks was and still is an era-defining footballer. You only get 'em once a generation.

The best distributor of the ball I have ever seen 'in the flesh' was Glenn Hoddle. Some of his passes when in a Town shirt were sublime, 50- 60 yard cross field passes landing on a sixpence. Beckham was close to Hoddle in his accuracy and vision. All IMHO of course.

I'd agree with you. Hoddle was slightly before my time (I was born in 1990), but the footage I've seen of the games he played and the passes he made just have my eyes boggling. Fashioned my own long-range passing technique after his. It's the grace he does it with more than anything, he doesn't seem to hoof it, he just taps it and it pings 50 yards to someone's feet. Beautiful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Friday, May 24, 2013, 11:27:10
Becks was and still is an era-defining footballer. You only get 'em once a generation.

I'd agree with you. Hoddle was slightly before my time (I was born in 1990), but the footage I've seen of the games he played and the passes he made just have my eyes boggling. Fashioned my own long-range passing technique after his. It's the grace he does it with more than anything, he doesn't seem to hoof it, he just taps it and it pings 50 yards to someone's feet. Beautiful.

Hoddle at sweeper in Div 1 was like a dad playing in an under 11s school match


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Friday, May 24, 2013, 13:33:03
Indeed.

Went to LA for the money and lifestyle too soon. He was only 32 when he signed for them - which in some cases can still be the peak of your career. Lampard, Scholes and Giggs have all played at the top level (at a reduced rate admittedly) well past 32.

if he'd wait till he was 35 before going out there I think more people would have understood...

I may be buying into the PR bullshit that followed Beckham, but I do admire what he tried to do when he went to LA. Admittedly it is a long process, but his arrival in the US will start to make the US league a more viable option for players rather then trotting off to Europe.

I think in years to come, it could have an impact on how competitive the league will be. Only time will tell whether it was all in vain or not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Friday, May 24, 2013, 14:00:28
Ahhh, the Beckham subject.

It is my opinion that he single handedly cost England 2 tournaments, and signle handedly got us in to 1. So he's in debt in my book.

Coupled with the fact he followed the money to play an appalling standard of football then bemoaned the impact it had on his international prospects, makes him a bit of a cunt in my book.

And banging the nanny is not model professionalism either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, May 24, 2013, 17:31:34
....and had a very big hand in costing us a third


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Friday, May 24, 2013, 18:08:56
....and like many in this era got far to many cheap caps in meaningless games so that he, in my opinion, is far to high up the list of all time capped players for the influence he had .


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Friday, May 24, 2013, 19:43:31
Ahhh, the Beckham subject.

It is my opinion that he single handedly cost England 2 tournaments, and signle handedly got us in to 1. So he's in debt in my book.

Coupled with the fact he followed the money to play an appalling standard of football then bemoaned the impact it had on his international prospects, makes him a bit of a cunt in my book.

And banging the nanny is not model professionalism either.

Of course DMR you would never follow the money.....or indeed shag the nanny would you.

Maybe we should get a celibate monk into play for us and a  fella who wouldn't shag a nanny at any cost....as for costing us two tournaments :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

We wouldn't have won them in a million years with him or without him.

You have this gift DMR.......at finding the faults with everybody......will you ever get round to finding the good.

I hope so :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, May 24, 2013, 20:23:44
Coupled with the fact he followed the money to play an appalling standard of football then bemoaned the impact it had on his international prospects, makes him a bit of a cunt in my book.

Beckham had been told to fuck off by McLaren and dropped from the England squad when he decided to go to the USA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 24, 2013, 20:38:24
Beckham had been told to fuck off by McLaren and dropped from the England squad when he decided to go to the USA.

Very true, and the genius that was Steve the brolly had such a great record of getting England to major tournaments without him ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Saturday, May 25, 2013, 21:39:50
Arjen Robben. Bleurgh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 25, 2013, 21:48:01
Arjen Robben. Bleurgh.

Cant stand that clog wearing cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 25, 2013, 21:55:35
UEFA trophy presentations.

What's wrong with getting the captain up first...give him the trophy...and then pass it down the line...Simples.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, May 27, 2013, 15:08:38
Watford.

There is something that doesn't sit right with me when a team with 7 loan players starting (3 more on the bench) is 90 mins away from promotion.

No rules broken I know but hope Palace do them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 27, 2013, 15:19:39
Watford.

There is something that doesn't sit right with me when a team with 7 loan players starting (3 more on the bench) is 90 mins away from promotion.

No rules broken I know but hope Palace do them.

Whatever league they are in next season, they are going to have to start the season with about 14 players as they are under a transfer m'bargo until September.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 11:13:06
[url width=614 height=2067]http://thesunshineroom.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bullshit-rodeo.jpg?w=614&h=2066[/url]

http://thesunshineroom.com/2013/05/30/bullshit-rodeo/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 11:19:09
...penned by our very own David Squires.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 11:22:35
Not you is it, iffy?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 11:30:36
ah, no credit for me. just saw it on twitter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 11:31:46
I like that, a lot!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 11:32:05
Not you is it, iffy?
he does have an account on here I think, can't recall the username though. Love his comics.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:40:40
The Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC song had me crying with laughter.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :cry:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:41:47
The Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC song had me crying with laughter.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :cry:
Was it a song? I thought it was a name change?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 13:42:23
Was it a song? I thought it was a name change?

It is-

And its Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee-
Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC -
We're by far the greatest team
The world has ever seen etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 13:46:46
Was it a song? I thought it was a name change?

It is-

And its Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee-
Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC -
We're by far the greatest team
The world has ever seen etc.

Sorry to nit-pick but: We're by far the greatest team
Chad has ever seen etc.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 13:58:39
Sorry to nit-pick but: We're by far the greatest team
Chad has ever seen etc.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:





Oh yes, of course.

We're the greatest team the world has ever seen, not Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 15:12:13
[url width=614 height=2067]http://thesunshineroom.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bullshit-rodeo.jpg?w=614&h=2066[/url]

http://thesunshineroom.com/2013/05/30/bullshit-rodeo/
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 15:31:24
I like this one too.

[url width=614 height=805]http://thesunshineroom.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/big-screen0001.jpg?w=614&h=804[/url]


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, July 7, 2013, 00:11:26
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/06/uk-brazil-soccer-idUKBRE9650FR20130706


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 23:39:21
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23240104

Would love to see some youtube footage if there is any.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, July 17, 2013, 23:33:01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23351824

Fucking cunting morons, moronic fucking cunts.

Quote
The players must be able to play in the best conditions to play a good World Cup.

THEN DON'T HOLD IT FUCKING QATAR YOU MORONIC, OVERPAID, BRIBE-TAKING, SEXIST, RACIST, SON OF A BITCH THUNDERCUNT


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, July 25, 2013, 21:18:21
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23351824

Fucking cunting morons, moronic fucking cunts.

THEN DON'T HOLD IT FUCKING QATAR YOU MORONIC, OVERPAID, BRIBE-TAKING, SEXIST, RACIST, SON OF A BITCH THUNDERCUNT

They just don't get it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23456671



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 26, 2013, 09:08:51
They just don't get it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23456671


They do, they just don't give a shit. You're looking at this all wrong, you're thinking about things like the sport, the integrity of the game etc. Whereas if you looked at it from the perspective of that grinning buffoon and his fellow retreads at FIFA, you'd see those piffling matters pale into insignificance when taken from a truly global perspective. It's all about the thickness of the envelope ....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: thedarkprince on Friday, July 26, 2013, 09:55:52
Jim Boyce can go fist himself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Friday, July 26, 2013, 17:23:38
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23351824

Fucking cunting morons, moronic fucking cunts.

THEN DON'T HOLD IT FUCKING QATAR YOU MORONIC, OVERPAID, BRIBE-TAKING, SEXIST, RACIST, SON OF A BITCH THUNDERCUNT

I've somehow missed this wonderful, wonderful post.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Friday, July 26, 2013, 18:37:54
Oh cheer up.

It might be nice to have the greatest spectacle in world football actually in the winter, when the players aren't absolutely fucked, even if it's achieved through FIFA idiocy.

Have the domestic leagues run along side it - let's see the Premier League put that in their pipe and smoke it.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 26, 2013, 19:03:43
Will be interesting to see what happens there, if the Premiership, La Liga and the Bundesliega decide that they're not going to move their season or release players, I think FIFA might discover where the power truly lies in world football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Riddick on Friday, July 26, 2013, 19:14:57
The TV companies will have something to say about it as well

If the proposal at the beginning had been from Qatar to host it but move it to the Winter i wouldn't have a problem as everyone would have known what had to happen to give it to them.

Just think Fifa are money grabbing cunts. The Viewing figures for the world cup in the winter will be even bigger so Fifa can make even more out of selling the rights. Then once the footballing world has acknowledged it can change domestic seasons to accommodate a winter tournament does anybody think it will go back to the summer if Fifa make more money from it there?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Friday, July 26, 2013, 19:48:47
In principle you'd rather have a global governing body with the welfare of all of football at it's core in charge than the elite leagues, who won't think twice about grinding everyone else into the dust and trousering as much cash as they can for their own benefit.

It's just a shame that the global governing body there is, is a total basket case, which is where the idea all falls down.

But I like the idea of the leagues having to wind their neck in a bit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 26, 2013, 20:23:19
In principle you'd rather have a global governing body with the welfare of all of football at it's core in charge than the elite leagues, who won't think twice about grinding everyone else into the dust and trousering as much cash as they can for their own benefit.

It's just a shame that the global governing body there is, is a total basket case, which is where the idea all falls down.

But I like the idea of the leagues having to wind their neck in a bit.
Yeah, agree with all that. Problem is FIFA's one of the few organisations around that can make the Leagues look like principled bodies working in the best interests of the sport.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chunky monkey on Friday, July 26, 2013, 20:32:16
International football has had it's day, the players are payed so much they don't give a fuck. Why bother cancel the fucking thing. Oh we can't pockets have to be lined


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Friday, July 26, 2013, 23:08:15
Oh cheer up.

It might be nice to have the greatest spectacle in world football actually in the winter, when the players aren't absolutely fucked, even if it's achieved through FIFA idiocy.

Have the domestic leagues run along side it - let's see the Premier League put that in their pipe and smoke it.


a winter world cup would give England it's best chance currently Imo.
Still don't like they idea mind. Corrupt fifa cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, July 27, 2013, 13:37:02
a winter world cup would give England it's best chance currently Imo.
Still don't like they idea mind. Corrupt fifa cunts

The last WC was a winter WC....didn't do England any favours, in fact we were worse than usual.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: china red on Saturday, July 27, 2013, 13:46:23
And winter temperatures in Qatar are probably not far from UK summer anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 16:08:01
Oh Marlon you just can't keep out of trouble!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23504807


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 16:09:47
The last WC was a winter WC....didn't do England any favours, in fact we were worse than usual.

I am looking forward to watching England in Brazil.

If the draw results in them being drawn in the North I look forward to the kick and rush approach being ruthlessly exposed once again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 16:52:06
I might be barking up the wrong tree here, and someone will put me right (probably PaulD) but ....

Wasnt it part of the deal that too host the world cup it had to be done in the summer months so June and July.  Hence all bids for the 2022 world cup were put togther using that criteria.

If the WC was as now seems inevitable switched to winter, could the countries who applied and were unsuccessful Australia, Japan, USA etc have a legal case against FIFA to reclaim some of the costs of bidding at the very least?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Great Stan on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 16:59:37
Sepp Blatter - fanny batter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: random_five on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 17:01:17
Sepp Blatter - fanny batter

You're on fire today Stan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Great Stan on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 17:06:05
Thought it was a bit hot!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Friday, August 2, 2013, 12:29:26
International football has had it's day, the players are payed so much they don't give a fuck. Why bother cancel the fucking thing. Oh we can't pockets have to be lined

Don't do that, it's the one aspect of the game where you can't just get a rich benefactor to buy you in a load of players from all over the globe and that people who don't actually enjoy the grind of club football can get behind.

Just leave all the power to clubs run by oligarchs busy trying to hide human rights abuses, removing billions of pounds from their national economies and so on..



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, August 2, 2013, 21:04:40
Kieron Dyer:
Quote
in 17 years he played just over 300 matches, scoring 23 Premier League goals, including none at all between 2007 and 2013. In this time he earned between £20m and £30m in wages
(as opined in this quite good article http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/02/1 I pinched the above quote from) sums up quite nicely much of what's wrong with modern football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Friday, August 9, 2013, 12:17:59
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, August 9, 2013, 12:24:12
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.
Tell Alun Rossiter that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, August 9, 2013, 12:28:03
Bristol Slave Traders 1982 Ltd has a ring to it thuogh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, August 9, 2013, 12:43:11
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.

They now sound like a Rugby League team...

Stupid, tacky idea.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 9, 2013, 12:50:36
The rumour I have heard is that we are going to follow the lead of Brisbane and at the request of Jed be renamed the Swindon Roar.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: South Hams STFC on Friday, August 9, 2013, 12:57:25
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.

(http://www.peninsula-reds.co.uk/forum_image-uploads/swindon_new.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, August 9, 2013, 13:04:43
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.

Go Tigers!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 9, 2013, 13:38:46
Not so grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 14:07:39
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23703265

Robbie Savages' 11 transfer tips = be a cunt


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 14:57:00
I read it and couldn't decide if I admired his honesty or despised his arrogance.

If I want to move jobs, I walk into the recruiters. I often take calls from recruiters talking up new jobs, so why should football be different? The only aspect I cannot fathom is that if a player moves on, even if they have engineered it, they are paid all or part of the unexpired term of their contract. It is completely illogical.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:16:47
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.

yeah, and robins are small and fluffy. We'd be much better off as the Swindon Dinosaurs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:22:58
Go back to our roots and become the Swindon Spartans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:47:01
Why are so many clubs' nicknames birds?

FFS what's a Throstle?

It is naff in the extreme and obviously deep-rooted in the origins of many clubs.

I applaud the Hull fella - there are many clubs who could benefit from updating their nicknames.

Up the Steam!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:53:03
Why are so many clubs' nicknames birds?
FFS what's a Throstle?

A thrush....when clubs originated, the mass exodus from land to city had only been going for relatively few years...therefore people still had some nostalgia for wildlife, and avian activity was still a big feature of urban living. It's been the subsequent 100 years and particularly the last 40 or so which has seen the decimation of both bird and wildlife in both countryside and city.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:55:47
Urban animals, eh?

Oxford Rats, perhaps


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:17:30
Go back to our roots and become the Swindon Spartans.

Like it. Our mascot could be Gerard Butler in full '300' gear, with a Town shirt added. Instead of dancing in the centre circle before half time he could execute some transvestite Iranians.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:24:47
 Swindon Supermarine is a decent name.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:26:32
Once we go tits up and plummet down the leagues we can rename ourselves Swindon Submarine


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:29:36
Once we go tits up and plummet down the leagues we can rename ourselves Swindon Submarine

Wasn't going from the Prem to Div 4 enough of a plummet for you?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:31:12

I applaud the Hull fella - there are many clubs who could benefit from updating their nicknames.


Haven't Hull always been known as the Tigers? Seems wrong replacing AFC with it though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:31:38
Urban animals?: Swindon Hedgehogs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:40:53
Wasn't going from the Prem to Div 4 enough of a plummet for you?

Good point.

Lets do it again anyway


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:43:31
Urban animals?: Swindon Hedgehogs.

A baby hedgehog is called a hoglet. Not relevant, but I think it's a nice word. Actually with our current squad, maybe the Swindon Hoglets is the way forward.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ReadingRed on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 18:51:18
A baby hedgehog is called a hoglet. Not relevant, but I think it's a nice word. Actually with our current squad, maybe the Swindon Hoglets is the way forward.

I think it's pretty relevant - after all, Shaun Hoglets is our local radio reporter.
I'll get me coat..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 16:13:29
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8883141/premier-league-west-brom-striker-retires-sky-sources-understand


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 16:35:49
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8883141/premier-league-west-brom-striker-retires-sky-sources-understand

Great Fantasy League pick! :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: london_red on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 16:36:14
Why is that what's wrong with football?

Think Sky are misreporting it anyway, I heard his agent died suddenly that's why he's missing this weekend's game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 16:44:30
Why is that what's wrong with football?


Pockets a hefty signing-on fee then retires a few weeks later (if thats what he's done)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 16:49:44
Why is that what's wrong with football?

Think Sky are misreporting it anyway, I heard his agent died suddenly that's why he's missing this weekend's game.

Think his agent is also his brother?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: london_red on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 17:11:37
Think his agent is also his brother?

Yeah, although evidently it's not his brother who has died, but another agent called Eric Manasse.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 17:19:22
Pockets a hefty signing-on fee then retires a few weeks later (if thats what he's done)
I'm sure I read somewhere (most likely on here) that signing on fees are not paid up front but in the form of loyalty payments over time, precisely to avoid that kind of thing?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 13:44:08
Joe Kinnear thought he had spotted a special talent on a scouting trip to Birmingham – only to be told he was ­already a NEWCASTLE player, writes Alan Oliver in the Sunday People.

Toon director of football Kinnear raved to City chiefs about midfielder Shane Ferguson during the club’s Capital One Cup tie against Swansea in September. But when he asked about signing him, Brum bosses thought he was winding them up – because Ferguson is on loan at St Andrews from Newcastle until the end of the season.

Newcastle chiefs and manager Alan Pardew, who saw his side beat Chelsea 2-0 yesterday, were said not to be aware of Kinnear’s blunder.

A City source told Sunday People Sport: “Ferguson had a particularly good game that night and Joe Kinnear told one of our officials he was interested in signing him.

“At first our guy thought he was joking but then he realised Kinnear did not know Ferguson was already a Newcastle player.”

The 22-year-old, who can play in midfield or at full-back, signed a five-year contract with Newcastle in 2011 but spent three months on loan at Birmingham last season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 14:48:16
Whats wrong with football...

Joe Kinnear


Thats all that was needed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 15:22:36
Kinnear is brilliant. The gift that keeps on giving.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 16:30:56
Why don't teams contest drop balls nowadays?

And why has Tim Howard grown a beard that makes him look like the poster boy for Al Qaeda?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 16:32:10
Why don't teams contest drop balls nowadays?

And why has Tim Howard grown a beard that makes him look like the poster boy for Al Qaeda?
Would you say that if he was white? Racist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 16:34:16
TBH I thought he was white!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 16:51:51
Doesn't matter what colour he is. He does look like a terrorist though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 16:54:57
Why don't teams contest drop balls nowadays?

And why has Tim Howard grown a beard that makes him look like the poster boy for Al Qaeda?
same could be said for Ashley Williams


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 17:07:35
Racists. All of you. It makes me sick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 18:05:16
Doesn't matter what colour he is. He does look like a terrorist though

He actually looks like (and has for some time) Taaj Manzoor as portrayed by Matt Lucus in come fly with me....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 20:05:56
same could be said for Ashley Williams

Yeah, fucking taffs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 20:38:39
I do like the swimming gestures the Swansea fans give the Cardiff

Makes I chuckle!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 21:26:41
Swim away, pisses all over Cardiffs shitty ayatollah.

Was surprised a) it was a 4pm kick off and b) there were apparently no arrests. Have Cardiff finally rid themselves of their knuckle draggers. Or was the entire South Wales constabulary deployed to Cardiff today..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 21:47:02
They had it wrapped up tighter than a nun's chuff.

All Swansea fans had to go by coach (54 of them) leaving from Swansea. So if there happened to be a Swansea fan who lived in Cardiff he/she had to go to Swansea before they could go to the game

Bizarre!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 22:25:23
Bizarre, but it worked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 23:14:21
They had it wrapped up tighter than a nun's chuff.

All Swansea fans had to go by coach (54 of them) leaving from Swansea. So if there happened to be a Swansea fan who lived in Cardiff he/she had to go to Swansea before they could go to the game

Bizarre!

My brother saw the convoy go past. Reckoned it was like something out a movie there were so many police about.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 23:31:47
I do like the swimming gestures the Swansea fans give the Cardiff

Makes I chuckle!
What does that signify then? Genuine question, apologies in advance for being thick.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 23:33:32
What does that signify then? Genuine question, apologies in advance for being thick.
Swansea running some Cardiff fans into the sea


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, November 8, 2013, 16:47:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24864223

:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, November 8, 2013, 16:56:35
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24864223

:D

One can't help but giggle but it must be so humiliating for the poor girl. (Provided it is a girl)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, November 8, 2013, 17:03:03
Actually, we can save 'her' the humiliation of a gender test after all.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/bloke2_zps1163f2f8.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/bloke2_zps1163f2f8.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/bloke_zps00c2ff3e.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/bloke_zps00c2ff3e.jpg.html)

Definitely a bloke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, November 8, 2013, 17:03:39
Maybe it's her name that gave it away - Wun Hung Lo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Anteater on Friday, November 8, 2013, 17:42:48
Looks like Sum Yung Boi to me.


Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: Only Me on Saturday, November 9, 2013, 00:04:54
Racists. All of you. It makes me sick.
Get back off your PC soapbox FFS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Saturday, November 9, 2013, 10:23:25
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138)

Might help the wet Tuesday night CG attendances though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, November 9, 2013, 11:49:13
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138)

Might help the wet Tuesday night CG attendances though.

I only watch the CL and EL cos its on and I can
Already pay for sky sports so not shelling out for BT as well

Wont be much of a loss to me personally


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 9, 2013, 12:56:19
Tis a bit shit:

Quote
would make some games, including finals, free to air....

As part of the deal, BT has said it will show at least one match involving each participating British team for free every season.
 

Rarely find the time to watch CL anyway.

Hopefully footballs greed will see interest slide now there is even less free to air CL.

Its Intriguing though, BT are really going for sport. Can't quite see how they are making money by bundling it in broadband. Someone has to pay for the rights so I guess it is watch this space...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Norfolkred on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 04:14:48
Makes you wonder if they will go the same way as ITV Digital a few years back


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Norfolkred on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 04:27:28
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24920893
What a terrible attitude from a chairman!

"Nobody in the world will decide for me how I run my companies''

 "No, no, no. I will not allow that. Let us establish this - nobody questions my decisions in my business."

He actually thinks it is just a business. The problem is he has lived in Hull for 45 years, so this is not just another foreign owner who doesn't understand English football. :doh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 12:02:29
"No, no, no. I will not allow that. Let us establish this - nobody questions my decisions in my business."

That single quote is damning, regardless of whether you're talking about football or anything else.  No one challenges his decisions?!  He'll regret that sooner or later, for sure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 12:24:25
That comment definitely has a Ratner feel about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, November 18, 2013, 16:14:57
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10816534.Police_swarm_St_Luke_s_School_over_criminal_damage/

Or maybe what's wrong with Bristol kids?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, November 18, 2013, 19:35:29
Twatty Coventry defender who decides to handball a cross with 30 seconds left when I've got a tenner at 28/1 for Coventry to win 3-2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OrangeTransits on Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 01:46:34
Twatty Coventry defender who decides to handball a cross with 30 seconds left when I've got a tenner at 28/1 for Coventry to win 3-2
I got a bit lucky, 18/1 fourfold and waiting on Coventry win. Had it on with betfair and cashed out on 73 mins at roughly 11/1. Was cursing the decision until the inevitable last gasp Pen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, November 30, 2013, 22:55:00
Money grabbing agents...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25170990


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: walcot red on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 13:13:26
Chairman of Hull doing wonders for PR

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25174266


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 13:25:48
Chairman of Hull doing wonders for PR

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25174266

What a thoroughly pleasant chap.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 13:30:49
The irony is that he is likely to die quite some time before most of the people he was addressing his comments to.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 13:41:29
It's almost as if now Al Fayed has left Football there has to be another wanker of an Egyptian businessman to replace him. Weird.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 14:36:51
So many of these foreign owners know absolute jack about football n our country.

They should have to pass a knowledge based test before they are let loose


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 14:38:51
Audrey- Assam has lived in Hull for 40 years, he's not some foreign millionaire who couldn't point to Hull on a map. He's just a bit mental.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 14:40:06
Didn't know that

Thought he was hull's version of the Cardiff owner


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 15:34:03
Thought the fans' campaign response was measured, dignified and well put. Everything Assem Allam wasn't, in fact.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 15:44:36
Chairman of Hull doing wonders for PR

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25174266

I found myself reading this to the voice of Omar Baba from Come Fly with Me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 20:25:19
To be fair to the 'ull chairman he was only responding to the 'city til I die' campaign. So in keeping with the theme he said well they can die then. Just a flippant response nothing to get to bothered about, especially as Hull fans have been guilty of doing the very embarrassing Tiger style celebration. Not much sympathy with them to be honest.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 20:28:43
To be fair, that's a bit like saying the next time we sing 'Wise Men Say' we're fair game for a Swindon Gracelands branding.  Sort of.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 20:37:52
Not really, as singing a song isn't wrong or embarrassing. Pretending to do tiger roars, with your hands like claws is, especiallynif you're not a child.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 20:45:29
Not a great version but you get the idea here.....



Actually this one highlights the retardness of the situation...



See post below for link.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 20:55:05
Links don't work, Jan.  But the picture in my mind is horrific.  (We've not met Hull for a while, so I'm having to rely on imagination.)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:51:20
Not working for me either - is it the 'mauled by the tigers' chant?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:00:41
Not working for me either - is it the 'mauled by the tigers' chant?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Yep,  I'll try again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgS1RFk1cU8


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:02:43
Superb  :D


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:04:45
Holy shit, that is awful.  Previous comment retracted.  Hull Stripey Roary Tigers it is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:05:10
Thats just embarrassing  :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:06:05
Holy shit, that is awful.  Previous comment retracted.  Hull Stripey Roary Tigers it is.

Ha ha. Have to say when I saw this I did think their chairman can do whatever he likes, they've sold their soul by partaking in such a crime against humanity.  Aaargh my eyes!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Langers on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:06:50
That is one of the worst things I have ever seen.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:13:25
Yep,  I'll try again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgS1RFk1cU8
That's the most cringeworthy thing I have ever seen in a football stadium.  Hull fans deserve everything that's coming to them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:14:38
My fucking word.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:20:58
I've lost the will to live.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:21:25
That's the most cringeworthy thing I have ever seen in a football stadium.  Hull fans deserve everything that's coming to them.

It's all a bit ice hockey, isn't it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:23:23
"PECKED BY THE ROBINS,YOU'RE GETTING....................."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:24:53
I'm just going to pretend I never watched that clip


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:26:19
Slain by the Spartans...



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:33:01
I'm just going to pretend I never watched that clip

 :D

I like you.


Title: Re:
Post by: herthab on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:35:00
We could all pretend to be steam engines and make a woo woo sound. Awesomeness!


Title: Re:
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:36:23
We could all pretend to be steam engines and make a woo woo sound. Awesomeness!

you've been railroaded by swindon  :hmmm:


Title: Re:
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:38:55
We could all pretend to be steam engines and make a woo woo sound. Awesomeness!

That was actually mooted as an STFC celebration on here once as a celebration by the players.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:41:59
That is fantastically shit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:43:41
I read all you comments and then still watched the clip. I hate myself.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:46:26
I read all you comments and then still watched the clip. I hate myself.




So did I.  Good grief!


Title: Re:
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:46:32
We could all pretend to be steam engines and make a woo woo sound. Awesomeness!
I choo choo choose you to start it off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:47:30
"PECKED BY THE ROBINS,YOU'RE GETTING....................."
Robins are actually quite aggressive birds and exceptionally territorial.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:50:55
I choo choo choose you to start it off.

(http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/975/975962/line-o-rama-ralph-wiggum-20090423033642614-000.jpg)

good classic episode that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bewster on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 23:52:40
I watched it twice as I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The song is one thing, but the actions............

Push pineapple, grind coffee.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 2, 2013, 00:34:03
That I don't watch it anymore  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, December 2, 2013, 02:06:08
Apparently there's another similar chant where they sing, "you're going to get your fucking throats ripped out!" And they turn their heads sideways and simulate ferocious biting often with some, not in anyway camp, clawing actions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 2, 2013, 10:46:53
I fucking hope Hull go bust. Cunts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, December 4, 2013, 18:51:50
How are FIFA only just getting around to planning the World Cup draw? They are the most publically corrupt organisation going.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/world-cup-2014-draw-fifa-england-pots


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, December 4, 2013, 19:04:29
Because they are twazzocks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, December 4, 2013, 19:22:17
How are FIFA only just getting around to planning the World Cup draw? They are the most publically corrupt organisation going.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/world-cup-2014-draw-fifa-england-pots

Think they've changed the rules of engagement, because apparently the draw had already been done, and news leaked through a computer hacker.  Doesn't look good even for FIFA, that the draw is stictched up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 4, 2013, 21:14:26
How are FIFA only just getting around to planning the World Cup draw? They are the most publically corrupt organisation going.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/world-cup-2014-draw-fifa-england-pots

I think this bit says it all:

Quote
World football's governing body had the option of naming France, the lowest-ranked European nation, in Pot Two but decided instead that the one European team should be drawn at random.

The French president of Uefa, Michel Platini, expected to rival Sepp Blatter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, December 9, 2013, 23:45:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08Q-z9RN0o

and on a more serious note - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2520757/Kenyan-football-fan-commits-suicide-Manchester-United-lose-Newcastle-United-Old-Trafford.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, December 9, 2013, 23:57:38
How are FIFA only just getting around to planning the World Cup draw? They are the most publically corrupt organisation going.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/world-cup-2014-draw-fifa-england-pots

They did the same thing not that long ago (a WC or two ago) with the European playoff draw. Original plan was to draw all the teams from a single pot, at the last minute they decided to seed the teams. Pretty certain France were involved in that as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Saturday, December 14, 2013, 13:51:44
That little pedestal the ball sits on before premier league games, official organised banners/those stupid big flags. If the fans can't be arsed to organise their banners/flags fucking leave it.

Were those big banners passed over the crowd at Wembley in 1990 organised by the fans or the club?     

I'm hungover and grumpy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, December 14, 2013, 19:31:54
That little pedestal the ball sits on before premier league games, official organised banners/those stupid big flags. If the fans can't be arsed to organise their banners/flags fucking leave it.

Were those big banners passed over the crowd at Wembley in 1990 organised by the fans or the club?     

I'm hungover and grumpy.

All flags/banners these days need a fire safety certificate. And the majority of grounds will want to see said certificate before allowing you to display your flag [ was asked for one at rovrum and colchester ~ wolves dont allow fan flags at all which is why they had those flag wavers around touchline before ko ]. Health and safety bollox gone mad
 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, December 14, 2013, 20:53:51
They did the same thing not that long ago (a WC or two ago) with the European playoff draw. Original plan was to draw all the teams from a single pot, at the last minute they decided to seed the teams. Pretty certain France were involved in that as well.

They did exactly the same again for the last three play-offs for either the WC or Euro Champs. They say that it will be a free draw prior to the start of the qualifiers, yet in the a few weeks before they then decide to seed the draw.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, December 17, 2013, 19:30:10
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25418135



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, December 17, 2013, 19:38:40
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25418135



Quote
Despite football enjoying record amounts of revenue, football's regulatory and economic system fails miserably on numerous fronts and drives the professional game towards self-destruction," said Bobby Barnes, president of Fifpro's European division

Tis only the top league in any given country that is awash with money mainly thru TV rights - only way that filters down is thru transfer fees, abolish those and many lower league clubs will no doubt go to the wall


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, December 19, 2013, 21:32:57
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25457024

Malky Mackay told to resign or be sacked
Tan really is a cock


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, December 19, 2013, 21:34:58
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25457024

Malky Mackay told to resign or be sacked
Tans really is a cock

Whats Tans got to with it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, December 19, 2013, 21:43:27
Whats Tans got to with it?

Wondered who would be first  :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, January 6, 2014, 20:20:12
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10552027/Macclesfield-Town-want-ticket-price-hike-for-Sheffield-Wednesday-FA-Cup-third-round-replay.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Monday, January 6, 2014, 20:40:25
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10552027/Macclesfield-Town-want-ticket-price-hike-for-Sheffield-Wednesday-FA-Cup-third-round-replay.html
To be fair they are in real danger of going bust, they need every penny they can get.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, January 6, 2014, 20:40:58
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10552027/Macclesfield-Town-want-ticket-price-hike-for-Sheffield-Wednesday-FA-Cup-third-round-replay.html

Pretty sure the tickets for our tie were an increase on the usual prices they charge.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, January 6, 2014, 20:43:56
Their situation is pretty serious, don't blame them trying to squeeze every penny out of this cup run


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, January 6, 2014, 21:30:29
Absolutely the right thing to do given their circumstances. Good luck to Macclesfield.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Tuesday, January 7, 2014, 01:56:54
I'm pretty much certain that FIFA arranged the World Cup Draw.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/09/was_the_2014_world_cup_draw_fixed.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 7, 2014, 17:40:43
I'm pretty much certain that FIFA arranged the World Cup Draw.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/09/was_the_2014_world_cup_draw_fixed.html

I thought it was generally known it is rigged....more of a surprise if it was proved not to be.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 15:18:31
Bolton £163m in debt, ye gods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ian-herbert-bolton-wanderers-decline-revealsit-doesnt-take-overseas-proprietors-to-damage-a-club-9042669.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 15:41:33
Bolton £163m in debt, ye gods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ian-herbert-bolton-wanderers-decline-revealsit-doesnt-take-overseas-proprietors-to-damage-a-club-9042669.html

Some of the wages that they are paying those players in the Championship are nothing short of obscene.

The filthy cash cow lure of the Premiership remains.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 18:00:00
Bolton £163m in debt, ye gods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ian-herbert-bolton-wanderers-decline-revealsit-doesnt-take-overseas-proprietors-to-damage-a-club-9042669.html

I'd have put that in the other thread. I hope they go under and I fucking hate Gartside. Couldn't happen to a nicer chap.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 18:03:14
Thats twice today I agree with you


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 18:05:32
One more and you have to join in with one of our chants.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 18:23:35
I'd have put that in the other thread. I hope they go under and I fucking hate Gartside. Couldn't happen to a nicer chap.
 

I posted it in the things that make you feel good thread. It's definitely something that's good, especially when that cunt's involved.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=39164.msg1245816#msg1245816


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, January 24, 2014, 23:07:57
Barcelona have confirmed that Neymar's parents got £34m of the £48.6m paid for the Brazil striker in June.
The 21-year-old's former club Santos received the other £14.6m
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25887952

I dont know why but that seems a little dodgy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, January 24, 2014, 23:21:21
South American players aren't owned by the clubs are they? It's a completely different model down there, sponsors and agents get the most of it.

If it wasn't his parents it would be some faceless agent, so at least that's something.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jutty274 on Friday, January 31, 2014, 00:58:19
Man City paying £639,000 per day on wages during the 2012-2013 season, that is £233,235,000 for the season. But that does include all of the staff pay offs for Mancini & his team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 08:37:20
Uefa insists that top flight clubs can not play on the same night as champions league games. Obviously it's the choice of the consumer if you want to watch champions league or not. Why force a premier league club to move a game because of it.

The rule only came to light reading that Hull v Brighton Fa cup reply has to be on a Monday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 14:17:16
Uefa insists that top flight clubs can not play on the same night as champions league games. Obviously it's the choice of the consumer if you want to watch champions league or not. Why force a premier league club to move a game because of it.

The rule only came to light reading that Hull v Brighton Fa cup reply has to be on a Monday.

They've been doing it for years. UEFA have been holding back money from English clubs as FL games are played on CL nights.

Pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 22:17:26
Lescott comes on for Kolarov during the Man City vs Barcelona game and immediately doubles the number of English participants out on the field.  I know that this wasn't even new news 15 years ago, but it still doesn't sit right with me.  That game just feels like one load of foreign players playing another load of foreign players.  In Manchester.

The English dimension to it is pretty flimsy at best.  I used to remember a time when I used to will English clubs on in Europe, but can't really see the point now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 23:09:03
Lescott comes on for Kolarov during the Man City vs Barcelona game and immediately doubles the number of English participants out on the field.  I know that this wasn't even new news 15 years ago, but it still doesn't sit right with me.  That game just feels like one load of foreign players playing another load of foreign players.  In Manchester.

The English dimension to it is pretty flimsy at best.  I used to remember a time when I used to will English clubs on in Europe, but can't really see the point now.

Maybe losing parochialism is a good thing....find other reasons for favouring a club.

At least the game did pass Smeeton's 3rd rule, which is for any televised game, there should be at least some STFC connection, whether on pitch, sidelines, com box, or studio.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 08:15:02
Maybe losing parochialism is a good thing....find other reasons for favouring a club.

At least the game did pass Smeeton's 3rd rule, which is for any televised game, there should be at least some STFC connection, whether on pitch, sidelines, com box, or studio.
Brian Marwood?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 10:54:27
Maybe losing parochialism is a good thing....find other reasons for favouring a club.

At least the game did pass Smeeton's 3rd rule, which is for any televised game, there should be at least some STFC connection, whether on pitch, sidelines, com box, or studio.

James Milner I presume?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 12:41:39
 I guess Milner was on the bench...but I was thinking more of Brian Kidd, who was briefly a cone carrier at the CG.  Marwood is a goodie, hadn't thought of him...

 Tonight's game will be a struggle....Arsenal are usually covered by Walcott....hopefully Glenn will be on punditry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 14:50:53
I guess Milner was on the bench...but I was thinking more of Brian Kidd, who was briefly a cone carrier at the CG.  Marwood is a goodie, hadn't thought of him...

 Tonight's game will be a struggle....Arsenal are usually covered by Walcott....hopefully Glenn will be on punditry.

When was Brian Kidd out here?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 14:53:42
When was Brian Kidd out here?
Back as assistant under Macari for a little bit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 15:00:53
I guess Milner was on the bench...but I was thinking more of Brian Kidd, who was briefly a cone carrier at the CG.  Marwood is a goodie, hadn't thought of him...

 Tonight's game will be a struggle....Arsenal are usually covered by Walcott....hopefully Glenn will be on punditry.

Ribery looks like most of the women in Swindon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 15:13:54
Refereeing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 15:52:33
Ribery looks like most of the women in Swindon.

There are many things that can held against Swindon....but the quality, diversity and willingness of its women folk isn't one of them....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 18:06:23
Well said Reg.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Saturday, February 22, 2014, 21:46:48
Refereeing.

With reference to a particular game? The Man City ref the other night was quite liberal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 15:26:03
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26350661

In particular - Senior players have expressed their concerns to Mel after struggling to adapt to the 50-year-old's preference for a high-tempo pressing game.

It is understood the players' preference is to adopt West Brom's usual counter-attacking style, which helped them finish eighth last season and 10th the previous term.
 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 21:02:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26350661

In particular - Senior players have expressed their concerns to Mel after struggling to adapt to the 50-year-old's preference for a high-tempo pressing game.

It is understood the players' preference is to adopt West Brom's usual counter-attacking style, which helped them finish eighth last season and 10th the previous term.
 


I was going to raise the same story but differently, I have been in the car for a lot of today and fivelive have been playing the story to death, but it doesn't actually seem to be based upon any defined source, just the BBC journalists interpretation/perception.

I don't see why the BBC are pushing this so hard as it almost appears like they are creating news to try and force a manager out!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 21:06:36
I was going to raise the same story but differently, I have been in the car for a lot of today and fivelive have been playing the story to death, but it doesn't actually seem to be based upon any defined source, just the BBC journalists interpretation/perception.

I don't see why the BBC are pushing this so hard as it almost appears like they are creating news to try and force a manager out!

CONSPIRACYYYYYY!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 21:48:56
CONSPIRACYYYYYY!

Well, it is Sky who have the betting company and the ability to influence betting on such things as managerial sackings through their reporting Sky Sports News.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 28, 2014, 17:47:43
Specific to the national team set up, but Aidy Boothroyd being put in charge of England U 20's  :headhurts:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 28, 2014, 17:49:13
Classy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 28, 2014, 18:04:21
Classy

There's a school of thought, that we're not much good at trying to play sexy football, so better to honestly stick with route 1, and try and do it properly...instead of the half baked flick fanny stuff that we get atm. Woy sort of did it in Ukraine, with Andy Carroll, but it fell down v Italy, because our most completed pass was Hart to Carroll.

You can see this argument in miniature with what is happpening at STFC atm...

Maybe Graham Taylor will be called out of retirement when Woy goes..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, February 28, 2014, 18:09:49
If they're gonig to go for Ady Boothroyd why not go the whole hog and bring in John Beck.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 28, 2014, 18:49:42
If they're gonig to go for Ady Boothroyd why not go the whole hog and bring in John Beck.

They have, he works at that St George's place....coaching the coaches  :) no really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 28, 2014, 18:53:45
Jesus Christ! That explains everything!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 28, 2014, 19:01:25
Jesus Christ! That explains everything!

Maybe the likes of Beck and Hoofroyd, have had Cooperesque Damescene conversions...after all our man was allegedly a long ball merchant before becoming a tika taka man in the summer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, February 28, 2014, 20:38:00
They have, he works at that St George's place....coaching the coaches  :) no really.
He was a loathesome cunt who almost makes evans human.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, March 1, 2014, 02:20:23
Specific to the national team set up, but Aidy Boothroyd being put in charge of England U 20's  :headhurts:

You have to think it has something to do with their knowledge of getting teams to play in distinct styles or patterns, otherwise it will be like watching the 1950's Cup final's.  For anyone who has not seen this era and believes some odd hype of a bygone age, it was shit but slightly funny which is pretty much how Puskas found us probably.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, March 1, 2014, 02:49:19
You have to think it has something to do with their knowledge of getting teams to play in distinct styles or patterns, otherwise it will be like watching the 1950's Cup final's.  For anyone who has not seen this era and believes some odd hype of a bygone age, it was shit but slightly funny which is pretty much how Puskas found us probably.

The FA is a curious vessel....currently with Greg Dyke at the helm, a man who saved an early 80's TV launch by introducing Roland Rat to a wider audience. A seminal time, I don't suppose Wayne Rooney would be on £300K a week if Arthur Scargill had succeeded during the Miner's Strike..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 18:05:31
Sol Campbell. Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 18:18:17
In fairness, giving the captaincy to Michael Owen was bananas. More symptomatic of the FA being incompetent than racist mind.


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 18:23:19
Diego Costa


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 18:42:36
In fairness, giving the captaincy to Michael Owen was bananas. More symptomatic of the FA being incompetent than racist mind.
The FA don't pick the captain, the England manager does. Which, or is it all, of the managers he played under, none of whom thought he was a suitable captain, does he think were racist(s)?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 18:48:04
The FA don't pick the captain, the England manager does. Which, or is it all, of the managers he played under, none of whom thought he was a suitable captain, does he think were racist(s)?

And for some of those games another black man, Paul Ince, was captain.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 19:31:53
His post football career has dried up and he needs some publicity.


Title: Re:
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 21:58:53
Diego Costa

 >:( Diego Costa is great, he first came to my notice a couple of years ago when he was on loan at Rayo...seemed to fit right in with the working class spirit of the Vallecas.  One of these kids whose come out of the poor end of Brazilian street football and made something of himself by hard graft.

I particularly liked it when he turned down the Scousers in the summer, who'd met his buy out clause, because he felt a loyalty to Simeone and Atletico.

Should have had 3 pens today, but we know that Real just don't get those kind of decisions against them very often.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 22:09:27
3 pens for 3 blatant dives? He was lucky not to get sent off


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 23:25:58
3 pens for 3 blatant dives? He was lucky not to get sent off

I suppose it's only natural, you'd be a supporter of Generalismo Franco's outfit  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, March 3, 2014, 01:07:21
In fairness, giving the captaincy to Michael Owen was bananas. More symptomatic of the FA being incompetent than racist mind.

Perhaps not the best word to use in the context...  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, March 7, 2014, 11:30:51
Not really been following the story much, but Birmingham Owner Carson Yeung jailed for 6 years for money laundering.  Fit and proper persons?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 13:38:20
I can't believe that the red card in the arsenal game was not carried over to oxlade.
Because the ball was going wide of the goal his full length dive at the ball was deemed not denying a goal scoring opportunity. If you remove the confusion over who did it, it is in my eyes crazy to think that arsenal would have been given the opportunity to appeal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 13:43:43
Because the ball was going wide of the goal his full length dive at the ball was deemed not denying a goal scoring opportunity.
Well it wasn't (denying a goal scoring opportunity). His intention was clearly to deny a goal scoring opportunity but that's not what the rule says, the rule is about what you actually do, not what your intention is. I agree it should be a red card offence to intend to deny a goal scoring opportunity as well, but it isn't currently.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 14:07:17
Well it wasn't (denying a goal scoring opportunity). His intention was clearly to deny a goal scoring opportunity but that's not what the rule says, the rule is about what you actually do, not what your intention is. I agree it should be a red card offence to intend to deny a goal scoring opportunity as well, but it isn't currently.


i understand why it wasnt given due to the current rules. I just find it incredible.
This is the first instance I can think of where someone sent off for hand ball on the line has had it rescinded.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 14:36:56
The area is grey enough as it is, with individual interpretation overwhat is or isn't a clear goal-scoring opportunity.

Adding preceived intent, or otherwise, would only make it more complicated.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 15:19:50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26757483

I'm a big fan of this. Orient are having a great season, just enjoy it while it lasts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 15:28:53
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26757483

I'm a big fan of this. Orient are having a great season, just enjoy it while it lasts.
I can't believe that though they sit in 3rd place in the league they only got 3,600 for that game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 15:43:04
Some games will never be attractive to fans. We'd won 10 out of 11, were top of the league and entertained Dagenham on a tuesday night in 11/12, the crowd? 6839.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 15:53:39
Attendance isn't the issue.

Orient's fans should be providing unequivocal support and nothing else. Leave the 'I told you so' stuff for May if it doesn't work out.

I remember seeing Half Man Half Biscuit when Tranmere had there half season run. Nigel Blackwell was saying that Tranny fans were singing 'we are staying up' when they were 1st and had reached that safe points tally.

That's more like it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 18:51:42
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26757483

I'm a big fan of this. Orient are having a great season, just enjoy it while it lasts.

Keyboard wizards?

That's a new one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 18:53:07
Keyboard wizards?

That's a new one.

Bit like pinball wizards....but I suppose there has to be a twist


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 28, 2014, 11:37:18
Richard fucking Scudamore. It's supposed to be a sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26782112


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, March 28, 2014, 11:52:57
"There are lots of "fans" supporters around the world who wish Manchester United were winning it again,"

yes, and plenty more who are enjoying their current downfall


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, March 28, 2014, 11:59:36
Richard fucking Scudamore. It's supposed to be a sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26782112

What an absolute bellend.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 28, 2014, 12:10:35
Richard fucking Scudamore. It's supposed to be a sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26782112
This shows that the Premier League don't like the "smaller" teams in their competiton, and one reason why they demoted us so heavily when we first got there I feel. Its the "old boys act" after all didn't Spurs and Chelsea have similar amounts of dodgy payments as we did, but both suffered just a hand slap and a paltry (to them) fine.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, March 28, 2014, 12:16:26
And folk think FIFA is corrupt.......


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, March 28, 2014, 12:43:46
Don't know what he is worried about, all their "fans" in Asia and Surrey will just start supporting Citeh anyway.

Been waiting 20 years for these cunts to collapse and I've loving every minute of their demise, long live Moyles.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Friday, March 28, 2014, 12:46:11
Don't know what he is worried about, all their "fans" in Asia and Surrey will just start supporting Citeh anyway.

Been waiting 20 years for these cunts to collapse and I've loving every minute of their demise, long live Moyles.

City will have to change the colour of their shirts to red before they have a big following in Asia. (Having a dragon on the badge will also help).

Just ask Vinny Tan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, March 28, 2014, 12:51:55
Scudamore was at Ashton Gate to watch the mighty Town. Saw him outside their megastore.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 11:19:22
Mourinho's excuse for having a go at the ball boy yesterday...

'Mourinho also explained why he ran to a ball boy in injury time after the youngster failed to release the ball to Azpilicueta promptly."It is not right to educate kids to do that," said Mourinh."I went to stop [Azpilicueta]. I was afraid he would lose control of his emotions and push the kid or do something like Eden [Hazard] did last year at Swansea."I told the boy to not do that. I told him if he does this, 'one day somebody will punch you'."Hazard was sent off in a League Cup game at Swansea last season when he tried to kick a ball away from underneath a ball boy who had fallen on top of it.'

Perhaps Jose it might be better to have a word with your players and perhaps confirm that punching kids isn't really right.

The fact that the bloody media had bought into his suggestion that chelsea were some sort of lowly underdogs in the title race has been bad enough, but the fact that no one is questioning that him and his objectionable team seem to be losing the plot is as bad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 11:31:45
I don't know if he's really something wrong with football but he's a bit of a cunt nonetheless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26755772


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 11:38:05
I don't know if he's really something wrong with football but he's a bit of a cunt nonetheless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26755772
He only took over there when the publicity of the Sky TV programme about being a manager with Ron Atkinson.

After Iffy stopped them filming at Swindon they needed a replacement...so they turned to Posh.

MacAnthony saw it on TV and wanted to be part of it, the rest is history....

Maybe if Iffy had let the series run to its conclusion then he would have bought STFC and not Posh.

http://thewashbag.com/2012/06/01/hall-of-shame-14/

Quote
Since September 2006 MacAnthony has been chairman of Peterborough United F.C. Outgoing chairman Barry Fry cited a Sky One documentary, Big Ron Manager, as a factor in attracting investment from MacAnthony. Legally obliged to give first refusal to a third party (Peterborough United Holdings Ltd) in the event of a sale, Fry retained 99.8% ownership of the club, but MacAnthony gained power of attorney for the club's affairs.

MacAnthony took over as chairman at Peterborough at the age of 30, making him the youngest chairman in the Football League. As a sign of his ambition, a printed note from MacAnthony was added to Peterborough United's match programme in August 2007. In it, he promised fans promotion from League Two to the Championship in two seasons, which was duly delivered, though the club were subsequently relegated to League One. MacAnthony became owner of the club in August 2007, buying the club for a nominal £1 after taking on the club's debts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 11:59:12
Mourinho's excuse for having a go at the ball boy yesterday...

'Mourinho also explained why he ran to a ball boy in injury time after the youngster failed to release the ball to Azpilicueta promptly."It is not right to educate kids to do that," said Mourinh."I went to stop [Azpilicueta]. I was afraid he would lose control of his emotions and push the kid or do something like Eden [Hazard] did last year at Swansea."I told the boy to not do that. I told him if he does this, 'one day somebody will punch you'."Hazard was sent off in a League Cup game at Swansea last season when he tried to kick a ball away from underneath a ball boy who had fallen on top of it.'

Perhaps Jose it might be better to have a word with your players and perhaps confirm that punching kids isn't really right.

The fact that the bloody media had bought into his suggestion that chelsea were some sort of lowly underdogs in the title race has been bad enough, but the fact that no one is questioning that him and his objectionable team seem to be losing the plot is as bad.
Totally agree. Lets face it Chelsea players are and have been role models under Mourinho. I give you John Racist Cunt Terry, Ashley fuck anything in a skirt Cole, Frank shag anything in a skirt Lampard, Obe two footed Mikel, cheating diving Ramires and I could go on. Get your own house in order Mourinho before you go slagging off young lads. The fact that he thinks his own player could slap a young lad says it all really. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 20:01:05
Apparently (and I mean according to Twitter, so expect him to sign a ten year contract) Sherwood is about to be sacked as he's punched a Spurs player in the face.

I'm not sure what I think about this other than "what a lemon"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 20:15:52
Should be more of it.

My maths teacher did the same to me and I turned out OK


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 20:16:32
Think Sherwood was always going to be a stopgap, punch or no punch. The results under him haven't exactly helped.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 20:23:46
Sign him up.

I love nut-job managers, they're fun. I wish Cooper would punch somebody in the face.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 20:40:59
Must admit I don't follow the PL like I used to as a kid (and Canon League 1 way before that) but I watched the game earlier and I really haven't heard of at least half of the Spurs team. I thought the Fulham manager was one of those matchday sponsors too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 22:40:45
I remember Macari punching Foley at Fratton Park, when asked afterwards if he had hit Foley he said something along the lines of "Yes & I wish I'd hit him harder"


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Monday, March 31, 2014, 09:25:28
Totally agree. Lets face it Chelsea players are and have been role models under Mourinho. I give you John Racist Cunt Terry, Ashley fuck anything in a skirt Cole, Frank shag anything in a skirt Lampard, Obe two footed Mikel, cheating diving Ramires and I could go on. Get your own house in order Mourinho before you go slagging off young lads. The fact that he thinks his own player could slap a young lad says it all really. 
So your bitterness towards Chelski doesn't get the better of you?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 31, 2014, 11:44:40
I'm bitter towards everything and everyone


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:48:03
90 quid for the new England shirt if you are mental enough to buy it.

There is also another version (stadium) which is 60 quid


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:50:42
Sherwood v Ranger next season will be fun then


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, March 31, 2014, 13:00:55
90 quid for the new England shirt if you are mental enough to buy it.

There is also another version (stadium) which is 60 quid

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2592727/Is-Ross-Barkley-heading-Brazil-Everton-ace-joins-Wayne-Rooney-Co-England-unveil-two-new-strips-World-Cup.html

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/30/article-0-1CB0EDB700000578-795_964x452.jpg)

Quote
Rooney was joined by Ross Barkley as the Everton midfielder continues to enjoy a breakthrough season, Arsenal's Jack Wilshere, currently sidelined with a broken foot, Liverpool's Raheem Sterling and Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere.

It seems nobody knows who the fuck Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 31, 2014, 13:39:53
90 quid for the new England shirt if you are mental enough to buy it.

There is also another version (stadium) which is 60 quid

Is that true? Why so much? I thought it would be around £50 ish.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 31, 2014, 15:38:08
Is that true? Why so much? I thought it would be around £50 ish.
Well, it's got "cooling technology" innit? And it's the "ultimate" way of supporting England at the World Cup too. Well worth 90 quid of anyone's money that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 31, 2014, 15:45:04
Well, it's got "cooling technology" innit? And it's the "ultimate" way of supporting England at the World Cup too. Well worth 90 quid of anyone's money that.

Isn't progress wonderful....that used to be called short sleeves.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 31, 2014, 16:19:19
Well, it's got "cooling technology" innit? And it's the "ultimate" way of supporting England at the World Cup too. Well worth 90 quid of anyone's money that.

What a lot of shite.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 31, 2014, 16:53:38
Well, it's got "cooling technology" innit? And it's the "ultimate" way of supporting England at the World Cup too. Well worth 90 quid of anyone's money that.

"Cooling Technology". Another way of saying "holes". I thought you'd pay less for that....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: timmyg on Monday, March 31, 2014, 17:08:55
It's normal price for a replica shirt, I don't know why the media are saying otherwise. £50 for pre-order at Sports Direct, same as pretty much all of the new shirts in recent years.

£50 is still too much, obviously, but it's not newsworthy.  The "Player Issue" shirt is the £90 one, and these have always been the case too, though you can find batches of 2/3 year old player issue kit in the Nike store in the Outlet Village for £40 or so if you want a Barca/Arsenal/Man Utd/Juve etc player kit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, March 31, 2014, 17:20:31
"Cooling Technology". Another way of saying "holes". I thought you'd pay less for that....

No no no, it's like cars, if you have a lighter one with less stuff in it it costs more.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Monday, March 31, 2014, 18:05:06
I'm bitter towards everything and everyone
At least you are consistent ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, March 31, 2014, 18:15:32
The FA has charged Ronnie Moore ( Tranmere ) for alleged multiple breaches of Rule E8(b) for misconduct in relation to betting.
The Tranmere Rovers manager has until 8 April 2014 to respond to the charges.
The Club will make no further comment at this time.

Read more at http://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/news/article/moore-charged-310314-1458668.aspx#YrKLhSKesp8HB1Cc.99

Wonder if any of those games involved Tranmere - be interesting to see the punishment if found guilty


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 22:31:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26845414

I know some may see this as 'what is good with football' 'real fans being rewarded for loyalty' blah blah blah but it's not for me.

As a football fan I am quite aware that if I travel to the other end of the country then there's every chance my team will lose and by a comfortable margin.

This has happened a fair bit recently with 6-0 type scorelines but honestly, a 3-0 loss away from home? It's getting silly now.

Norwich City have crossed that line and now we'll get fans demanding all sorts of stupid things just because they're not happy with the outcome of a game that they've chosen to go to.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 22:36:06
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26845414

I know some may see this as 'what is good with football' 'real fans being rewarded for loyalty' blah blah blah but it's not for me.

As a football fan I am quite aware that if I travel to the other end of the country then there's every chance my team will lose and by a comfortable margin.

This has happened a fair bit recently with 6-0 type scorelines but honestly, a 3-0 loss away from home? It's getting silly now.

Norwich City have crossed that line and now we'll get fans demanding all sorts of stupid things just because they're not happy with the outcome of a game that they've chosen to go to.

*Cough*

Stones and greenhouses....

Quote
Mark Cooper: Swindon Town will reimburse fans after FA Cup exit

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/24898658



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 22:36:42
...because Swindon did it doesn't mean I agree with it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 22:37:11
It's a nice touch I suppose but totally unnecessary as was the case when we got humped at Macclesfield


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 22:45:19
Ours was a completely different level of embarrassment, name 5 occasions when a league team has got smashed by a non-league side, by smashed I mean by more than 3 goals. It's pretty much unheard of.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 22:54:00
Still doesn't fly with me.

It won't be long before people demand season ticket refunds for poor seasons. In fairness that's probably happened already.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 08:36:47
The guy who chucked his season ticket on the pitch when we went 3-0 down to sheff weds on opening day always raises a smile, not sure if he got a refund though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 08:46:51
The guy who chucked his season ticket on the pitch when we went 3-0 down to sheff weds on opening day always raises a smile, not sure if he got a refund though.

Anyone remember the bloke on the Town End roof that time, now that was funny


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 08:47:35
I would never expect or demand it but was quite happy to take it afte witnessing our trouncing at Macc. I took it for what it was, a gesture my the players and management. Nothing more. Sorry if that makes me what's wrong with football. :-)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:19:29
I would never expect or demand it but was quite happy to take it afte witnessing our trouncing at Macc. I took it for what it was, a gesture my the players and management. Nothing more. Sorry if that makes me what's wrong with football. :-)

You'd be stupid not to accept the refund. I just don't think clubs should make the gesture.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:40:07
You'd be stupid not to accept the refund. I just don't think clubs should make the gesture.

Have to beg to differ although I appreciate it could spiral out if control. No one should ever expect it but I appreciated the management/players wanted to make the gesture (from their own pockets). If it gets to the stage when the club starts doing it then it's more ridiculous. They all get paid a hell of a lot more than the average supporter (even at this level) and we pay to watch them. We're mugs really but I liked the fact they wanted to give something back even if it was only a token gesture.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:54:05
Anyone remember the bloke on the Town End roof that time, now that was funny
"fathers for justice"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:05:57
Have to beg to differ although I appreciate it could spiral out if control. No one should ever expect it but I appreciated the management/players wanted to make the gesture (from their own pockets). If it gets to the stage when the club starts doing it then it's more ridiculous. They all get paid a hell of a lot more than the average supporter (even at this level) and we pay to watch them. We're mugs really but I liked the fact they wanted to give something back even if it was only a token gesture.

My original point is that, in my opinion, we've reached that point. Norwich City players are refunding fans for a 3-0 loss and that is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:18:27
I'll tell you what's wrong with football.

Lst night I found myself actually wanting Man U to win.

Now, that just ain't right


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:31:53
I'll tell you what's wrong with football.

Lst night I found myself actually wanting Man U to win.

Now, that just ain't right

Stone him!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:34:10
I'll tell you what's wrong with football.

Lst night I found myself actually wanting Man U to win.

Now, that just ain't right

Natural to root for the underdog, especially when it's against ze Germans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:39:44
I don't mind the Germans, it's Robben I detest


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:46:27
Stone him!

(http://ukvapers.org/attachment.php?aid=13011)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:16:05
My original point is that, in my opinion, we've reached that point. Norwich City players are refunding fans for a 3-0 loss and that is ridiculous.

I wouldn't disagree with that.

I wanted Man U to win too. That's because of Ze Germans and Robben. I make no excuse and will take my punishment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 12:33:54
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26852466

Barcelonas dodgy transfers dealing resulting in a 14 month transfer ban, which they will probably be able to get round somehow and a fine of a weeks wages for Rooney.

This cant be true.  I thought Barca were footballing mother theresas.  Their football hovering above and beyond beauty, transcending the vulgar bind of commerce to produce metaphysical beauty akin to the poetry of William Blake, and the luminescence of Van Goghs greatest work.  Or you'd think that is the case if you believe the media.

Turns out they're just another dodgy corrupt footy team lubricated not by genius but by cash and dodgy business.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 12:38:32
...and then you go and spoil it all by writing 'footy' which makes you worse than Barcelona.

:)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 12:40:38
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26852466

Barcelonas dodgy transfers dealing resulting in a 14 month transfer ban, which they will probably be able to get round somehow and a fine of a weeks wages for Rooney.

This cant be true.  I thought Barca were footballing mother theresas.  Their football hovering above and beyond beauty, transcending the vulgar bind of commerce to produce metaphysical beauty akin to the poetry of William Blake, and the luminescence of Van Goghs greatest work.  Or you'd think that is the case if you believe the media.

Turns out they're just another dodgy corrupt footy team lubricated not by genius but by cash and dodgy business.

And don't forget their non payment of taxes on the Neymar transfer of over 12m Euros, of which 'they did nothing wrong' and their debts apparently in excess of 600m Euros, which surely are against FFP, but nobody mentions that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 13:31:19
And don't forget their non payment of taxes on the Neymar transfer of over 12m Euros, of which 'they did nothing wrong' and their debts apparently in excess of 600m Euros, which surely are against FFP, but nobody mentions that.

Up against Real Madrid who are essentially funded by the state, the whole situation in Spanish football is so skewed to the big two it makes Scotland look like a balanced league - which will make it all the sweeter if Athletico Madrid win the title!

Actually that approach looks like a good idea, I can see certain clubs adopting that approach where they have squads of players that are all attractive to the bigger teams - sorry we cannot sell any players for 2 years!!

Actually in typing this, how does this stand with the whole restraint of trade business, player wil challenge in Euro courts and it will quietly go away.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 15:45:01
...and then you go and spoil it all by writing 'footy' which makes you worse than Barcelona.

:)

Could've been worse, he could've said soccer :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 15:56:34
Could've been worse, he could've said soccer :)

Using soccer as a primary term in England is a no-no but I don't have a huge issue with 'soccer', it's an old British term after all.

I work with a mad-keen American Football fan and have to use 'soccer' every now and again.

'Footy' is a term that should only used by estranged fathers trying to convince their kids that a weekend at dad's smaller-than-mum-and-Gary's-new-pad will be fun.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 16:28:02
(http://ukvapers.org/attachment.php?aid=13011)
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 18:17:21
Up against Real Madrid who are essentially funded by the state, the whole situation in Spanish football is so skewed to the big two it makes Scotland look like a balanced league - which will make it all the sweeter if Athletico Madrid win the title!

Fully agree.

The EU are looking into Madrid for that reason, along witg Galatasaray, as they allege them receiving payments.

In the meantime there is nothing but deathly silence from UEFA.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 18:10:40
Cannot believe only 4400 turned up to watch Posh v Colchester last night.

Great chance of cementing a play off place and a chance to welcome their JPT winners.

Should be ashamed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 18:19:11
Cannot believe only 4400 turned up to watch Posh v Colchester last night.

Great chance of cementing a play off place and a chance to welcome their JPT winners.

Should be ashamed

I can, they are the definition of tinpot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 18:20:53
Pretty much a derby of sorts as well


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 18:43:23
Cannot believe only 4400 turned up to watch Posh v Colchester last night.

Great chance of cementing a play off place and a chance to welcome their JPT winners.

Should be ashamed

I was surprised by that as well....I guess the trip to Wembley at the weekend was expensive, and they're probably expecting a second visit in May.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 19:12:05
Pretty much a derby of sorts as well
yeah, only the 90 odd miles apart


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 20:11:51
67 - close enough


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 22:42:26
Preston fans getting a little worried about that fixing tomfoolery.

Ugh, I'd hate it if Swindon had players involved in all that ugly business in modern times. We've got Nile Ranger and that's enough drama :)


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 23:09:05
Having seen our last two abject performances at Deepdale I don't think they took any payments in games against us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 23:34:38
Preston fans getting a little worried about that fixing tomfoolery.

Ugh, I'd hate it if Swindon had players involved in all that ugly business in modern times. We've got Nile Ranger and that's enough drama :)
If anyone's gonna get involved out of our squad.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, April 4, 2014, 00:34:23
Preston fans getting a little worried about that fixing tomfoolery.

Ugh, I'd hate it if Swindon had players involved in all that ugly business in modern times. We've got Nile Ranger and that's enough drama :)

Some of us are still trying to get over Bronco Layne, Jimmy Gauld and Jack Fountain. Don't want to think about it again...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, April 4, 2014, 05:42:44
They are charged with bribery and money laundering.

Sounds more serious than spot fixing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Friday, April 11, 2014, 13:36:14
Quote
Why are football matches kicking off seven minutes past this weekend?

All football games this weekend to start seven minutes later to mark Hillsborough anniversary

Exeter City’s away game vs Cheltenham will kick off at 15:07 this Saturday as a mark of respect and remembrance for the 96 Liverpool fans who lost their lives at Hillsborough 25 years ago.

All Premier League, Football League, Football Conference and FA Cup matches on the weekend will start seven minutes later than originally scheduled to mark the celebration.

http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/football-matches-kicking-seven-minutes-past/story-20936198-detail/story.html (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/football-matches-kicking-seven-minutes-past/story-20936198-detail/story.html)

A very poor choice of word, surely?  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 11, 2014, 13:57:20
http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/football-matches-kicking-seven-minutes-past/story-20936198-detail/story.html (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/football-matches-kicking-seven-minutes-past/story-20936198-detail/story.html)

A very poor choice of word, surely?  :(
Oh thats bad wording, unless it was written by a Man Utd fan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, April 11, 2014, 14:27:36
Oh fuck, I can see another one of 'those' responses coming.


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Friday, April 11, 2014, 22:08:31
Should just have the minutes silence imo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 11, 2014, 22:10:36
Wasn't it 3.07 that the game was stopped?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, April 11, 2014, 22:42:23
Wasn't it 3.07 that the game was stopped?

3.06...but we're having a mins silence then, so kick off is 3.07


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 12:27:52
Cardiff City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27062091




Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 12:37:55
Bloody hell Morshead, what kind of crazy trend have you started #leakgate


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 12:43:10
Cardiff City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27062091

Yeah they do seem to be going out of their way to make sure everyone is happy to see them relegated.





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 12:47:50
Cardiff City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27062091



The Cardiff owner and pretty much the whole club are a fucking joke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 12:48:37
Saying that Poyet banned the Sun newspaper for the remainder of the season because they dared predict his team for the live game against Liverpool a few weeks back.

The Sun responded by calling them Derland, as they removed the Sun !!

Got to admit, in both instances, it is pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 12:53:34
Can the PL just relegate Cardiff as their owner is a complete cock?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 13:18:01
Welsh clubs have no rights


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 13:38:24
Welsh clubs have no rights
Yes they do. They have the right to play in the Welsh Premier League with Total Network Airbus and Clelllllwyynwnwnn Druids.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 16:04:41
I see Pox announced losses of 1.1m for last season...


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 18:01:56
How tragic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 18:17:31
 
I see Pox announced losses of 1.1m for last season...
Cheats.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:04:53
Yes they do. They have the right to play in the Welsh Premier League with Total Network Airbus and Clelllllwyynwnwnn Druids.

Oh good - a nice bit of Wales bashing.  I think the presence of Cardiff and Swansea in the premier league has been a good thing.  They are two of the more likeable clubs around and Swansea in particular have been one of the best clubs to watch on MOTD in the past two or three years.

We are all a bit inconsistent with the Wales thing - most of us I would guess would argue that Wales is not an independent nation, or even a nation at all - a principality, if you will - yet many would try to deny these decent clubs access to the competitive football league system in our country.  Would it do our leagues any good or bad to kick out Swansea, Cardiff, Newport and Wrexham?  No - but it would damage those clubs a massive amount. 

And before anyone asks - yes, I would happily have Celtic and Rangers in the football league.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:11:41
Cardiff, likeable? They have cunt fans and a wanky owner. They deserve all the shit going.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:13:50
They have a core of nasty fans.  They also have a majority of really friendly fans.  It a very friendly, lively city - much friendlier than you might think.  There's a lot of culture there and a good amount of diversity.

Disclaimer: I may or may not have lived in Cardiff for a while...


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:14:54
Disclaimer: I may or may not have lived in Swansea for a while :)


Title: Re:
Post by: herthab on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:18:22
If Wales have their own Football association and their own National team, there can be no argument in favour of Welsh teams being in an English league.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:21:05
I certainly wouldn't want the jocks to follow suit. If they want that they can start in the lowest level and work their way up.

I don't have quite so much problem with the welsh, mainly because they don't have a professional league of their own.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:24:32


I don't have quite so much problem with the welsh, mainly because they don't have a professional league of their own.

That's a really good distinction between the two actually - the Welsh league is in no way comparable to the Scottish league.  The four Welsh clubs in our system are historic clubs and deserve their places in the system.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:28:24
That's a really good distinction between the two actually - the Welsh league is in no way comparable to the Scottish league.  The four Welsh clubs in our system are historic clubs and deserve their places in the system.
You forgot City and Rovers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:30:53
You forgot City and Rovers.

Superb stuff.  Newcastle is in Scotland.  Bournemouth is in France.  Lowestoft is in the Netherlands.  Hey - it works everywhere!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:35:02
Fuck off Baggins you Welsh cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:41:41
I certainly wouldn't want the jocks to follow suit. If they want that they can start in the lowest level and work their way up.

I don't have quite so much problem with the welsh, mainly because they don't have a professional league of their own.

The Welsh clubs have played in the English leagues for years. What I hate though is that any disciplinary matters are dealt with the Welsh FA, and there has been a number of instances of the Welsh FA being very lenient to them.

Celtic and Rangers can just sod off.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:43:36
Can't disagree so69


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:43:39
The Welsh clubs have played in the English leagues for years. What I hate though is that eny disciplinary matters are dealt with the Welsh FA, and there has been a number of instances of the Welsh FA being very lenient to them.

Celtic and Rangers can just sod off.

Go on. Name one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:45:04
Go on. Name one.

Seem to remember Cardiff's captain (Johnson?) having his red card overturned before the FA Cup a few years ago?

Generally though, fine with Cardiff being in the English leagues. Wouldn't mind Scottish teams as long as they joined from the bottom, which they won't. Tan is a mentalist though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:52:21
Oh good - a nice bit of Wales bashing. .... [big rant cropped out] 
It was a tongue in cheek throwaway joke, actually, but happy to act as a stepladder for you to mount your high horse
And before anyone asks - yes, I would happily have Celtic and Rangers in the football league.
You were doing quite well until this bit - which English (or Welsh) clubs would you happily chuck out to make way for them?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:52:42
Taffs are here due to history.

The sweaties can fuck right off


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:54:34
You were doing quite well until this bit - which English (or Welsh) clubs would you happily chuck out to make way for them?

Well, Franchise can go for a start...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:57:10
Well, Franchise can go for a start...
Well obviously. But they shouldn't be in in the first place. And they should be replaced by a proper club that deserves the place and has worked their way up. Not some shambolic bankrupt sectarian Glaswegian usurpers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:01:05
You were doing quite well until this bit - which English (or Welsh) clubs would you happily chuck out to make way for them?

No high horse - just an opinion that differs from yours.  Hope that's OK.   I'd happily chuck the Europa league and make the premier league 22 teams again.  That allows for two more teams starting in league 2 or the conference with no extra fixture congestion at the top in a competition nobody wants to be in anyway.  Tim Sherwood essentially said that today.

And yes - whoever said Franchise can go is right.  There's an argument for Bristol City 1982 as well.  


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:03:37
They have a core of nasty fans.  They also have a majority of really friendly fans.  It a very friendly, lively city - much friendlier than you might think.  There's a lot of culture there and a good amount of diversity.

Disclaimer: I may or may not have lived in Cardiff for a while...

We are going for a work away day (well night actually) in Cardiff in a few weeks.  Not sure whether to look forward to or dread it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:05:15
I'd happily chuck the Europa league and make the premier league 22 teams again.  That allows for two more teams starting in league 2 or the conference with no extra fixture congestion at the top in a competition nobody wants to be in anyway.  Tim Sherwood essentially said that today.
No problem with making room for two more teams in the English league system, but I don't see the argument for two Scottish teams filling those slots. It's wrong in the same way as the abomination that is the Milton Keynes Franchise monster is wrong, baffled how you can be opposed to one but advocate the other


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:07:09
Cardiff used to be a half decent night out. Assume it still is. Got it's chav element, but where hasn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:09:06
No high horse - just an opinion that differs from yours.
It doesn't, or rather I don't really care, my initial post was a joke. You just missed it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:09:32
Go on. Name one.

There has been an instance of a Cardiff player's red card not beng overturned but no additional punishment, which meant they were not suspended for the play-offs.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:11:29
There has been an instance of a Cardiff player's red card not beng overturned but no additional punishment, which meant they were not suspended for the play-offs.


Go on. Name another.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:12:24
I never said I was consistent..

I think the situations are different - MK stole a club.  Celtic and Rangers are historic clubs who suffer from the, albeit professional, league that they play in.  When that situation occurs in our country - which is the UK (we've conned FIFA and most of the world for a long time that England is a nation) - it doesn't make a lot of sense.  And yes - if you take that to its logical conclusion, I would support a UK premier league, with regionalised lower divisions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:13:47
It doesn't, or rather I don't really care, my initial post was a joke. You just missed it.

I probably did miss it.  Please accept my apologies.  I'm not the brightest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:14:44
I probably did miss it.  Please accept my apologies.  I'm not the brightest.
In fairness it wasn't very funny, so easily missed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:18:47
I never said I was consistent..

I think the situations are different - MK stole a club.  Celtic and Rangers are historic clubs who suffer from the, albeit professional, league that they play in.  When that situation occurs in our country - which is the UK (we've conned FIFA and most of the world for a long time that England is a nation) - it doesn't make a lot of sense.  And yes - if you take that to its logical conclusion, I would support a UK premier league, with regionalised lower divisions.

That's fair enough. And I could see the argument for that, but if we're going to do that, we should do that, not half-arse it. How would promotion work though? Automatic admission to the UKPL for one team each from the English, Welsh, Scottish and Norn Irish football leagues (I could see the likes of Linfield struggling on their turn)? Or two teams each into a round-robin play off? Or weighted according to some kind of horrific UEFA-coefficient style system?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 22:19:46
I would support a UK premier league, with regionalised lower divisions.

Stuff that. I bloody wouldn't, it would be crap.

And when it comes to football, we are England. The UK only existed for one Olympic games in my lifetime.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Friday, April 18, 2014, 08:18:53
It seems pretty simple to me.

If you are welsh you should be in the welsh league. If you are scottish you play in the scottish league.


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Friday, April 18, 2014, 10:51:37
Couldn't give a fuck about Rangers or Celtic for that matter. rangers are bent as fuck and as for Celtic they'd bring more supporters to away games than the bloody home fans


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, April 18, 2014, 10:53:15
Do we really want hordes of hairy-arsed jocks running amok in our green and pleasant land?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, April 25, 2014, 15:36:58
Rangers...

After spending/wasting £70m in 2 years by winning the lowest two divisions, despite having the 2nd biggest turnover in Scottish football they want another £30m 'invested'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27153739


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, April 25, 2014, 15:54:03
A friend of mine who is a Man U fan facebooked the other day

'Moyes gets the boot, United share price increases by nearly 8% on the NYSE.'

I messaged back

'Football thing happens, fan talks about the stock exchange. I know its the way of things but I just wish it wasnt so'

When something you love becomes purely a business, its time to start reassessing your love.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Friday, April 25, 2014, 20:56:22
Rangers...

After spending/wasting £70m in 2 years by winning the lowest two divisions, despite having the 2nd biggest turnover in Scottish football they want another £30m 'invested'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27153739


Agreed the way Rangers have conducted themselves in the lower leagues, financially, is a disgrace.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 25, 2014, 21:02:47
Up the Gers  :)


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Friday, April 25, 2014, 22:05:22
Fuck them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, April 27, 2014, 01:39:18
Chester getting relegated on goal difference. After all their struggles in recent years I was hoping they could stay up after their rise through the leagues. You have to wonder if they can bounce back again. Hope they do


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, April 27, 2014, 10:27:50
That's fair enough. And I could see the argument for that, but if we're going to do that, we should do that, not half-arse it. How would promotion work though? Automatic admission to the UKPL for one team each from the English, Welsh, Scottish and Norn Irish football leagues (I could see the likes of Linfield struggling on their turn)? Or two teams each into a round-robin play off? Or weighted according to some kind of horrific UEFA-coefficient style system?


And do we change our minds on this if Scotland becomes independent?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, April 27, 2014, 11:58:40
And do we change our minds on this if Scotland becomes independent?

One of the many benefits accruing when the Sweaties vote Yes in September, is that we'll be able to ditch the pretence that anyone is interested in Scottish football, and not clutter up media with the results of Brechin City etc.

Not certain how it will effect Berwick Rangers mind, as I'm unsure UEFA will sanction them competing in a foreign country.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, April 27, 2014, 13:04:44
Nile Ranger


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 28, 2014, 14:06:43
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27192069 Wimbledon deducted 3 points for fielding ineligible player. And for not being Sunderland.

Yes yes, fl v pl justice.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 09:46:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27198306

Looks like their punishments will amount to a slap on the wrist followed by a cuddle and a packet of fruit pastilles so they don't feel too bad about it. I'm not saying they should automatically be banned from European competitions, but they've deliberately ignored/broken the rules and won't really suffer any meaningful consequences.

Quote
Under FFP, losses are limited to £37m (45m euros) over the past two years.
City posted combined losses of almost £149m for the past two seasons - £97m in 2012 and £51.6m in 2013.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 10:02:33
Made me wonder what a league table of the most profitable clubs in the country would look like. Has such a thing been done? Man City would be bottom of League Two, which would be crowded with Prem clubs, along with a few toxic ex's like Bolton and Birmingham. Would Arsenal win the Prem? Who would be the surprise clubs at that level? And how far down the leagues would you have to look before reaching break-even? Are there even 20 profitable clubs to fill the Prem?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 16:32:38
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27198306

Looks like their punishments will amount to a slap on the wrist followed by a cuddle and a packet of fruit pastilles so they don't feel too bad about it. I'm not saying they should automatically be banned from European competitions, but they've deliberately ignored/broken the rules and won't really suffer any meaningful consequences.


But FFP won't touch teams with 'historic debts', like Barcelona & Real Madrid with debts in excess of 500m, who have had the benefit of excess spending for the last 20 years or so, or Man U with big debts due to the Glazers leveraging their buyout on the clubs assets.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 19:41:08
The fact that football authorities don't have the same powers (or balls) to get rid of cuntish owners in the same way the NBA can

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27214758


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 19:44:21
Blatter would probably give him a seat on the board of FIFA

The corrupt child touching fucker


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 21:10:38
Bournemouth post a 15 million quid loss this season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 21:14:57
Bmuff went all out to gain promotion last season

Quote
Overall costs for wages and salaries were declared as £10,996,137 – an increase of more than £7million from the previous year

Thats some budget for a Lg1 team

They made a £15 million loss up till July 2013

Quote
The gap was plugged through the allocation of £7.4million worth of Preference shares and a loan of £8,749,167 from AFCB Enterprises Limited, the club’s parent company, controlled by Cherries owner Maxim Demin.

Full story here

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/11180579.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_declare___15million_losses/?ref=rss


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 21:15:37
Jeez that's a big ol' figure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 21:45:01
And they called us 'cheats' !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 21:50:26
I'm sure that their wage bill is about double what ours was last season.

And they paid over a million in compensation to get Howe back from Burnley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 21:58:02
Bournemouth post a 15 million quid loss this season

That's mahoosive.

The last time I checked, their owner was 'lending' the money with rather a high interest rate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 21:58:43
That's mahoosive.

The last time I checked, their owner was 'lending' the money with rather a high interest rate.

6% I believe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 22:05:15
Their turnover was just over £5m, so they 'lost' 3 times as much as their turnover.

And don't forget they paid £1.5m to host Real Madrid in a friendly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 23:31:37
All a load of fucking nonsense really.  I believe I made quite a few points about this at the time of us losing our backer, manager, star player etc etc.  Nothing against Muff, just they seem to be the prime example close to us recently that show the hypocrisy when the shitty press sniff a Swindon story.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 23:35:11
Bournemuff cunts! I'll give that chairman of their's another season until he gets bored and fucks off!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 12:45:01
I wonder if there is an 'exit strategy' should Demin lose interest?

We were lucky in that Black cleared much of the 'debt' when he couldn't take any more. Notts County were lucky that the new guy in charge cleared the debt created by the previous mob.

The 'Fit and Proper' (ahem) test should ensure that new owners remain responsible for whatever debt they create during their custodianship of a club, even when they hand over to a new regime. After all, the mortgage on my house stays with me, not with a future occupant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 13:13:23
 

Well bearing in mind that he 'loans' the club money, of which he is apparently charging the club 6% on, it'll be interesting what this years accounts look like, as it seems the FL lets clubs run up huge debts subject to clubs being backed by the likes of Black and Demin in Leagues 1 and 2, but for the Championship it reverts to the FFP model, where you can only make losses of a certain amount, and that is why QPR could be in trouble as they've posted massive losses of 60m.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 14:55:45
Seriously, fuck Bournemouth.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 15:30:16
Seriously, fuck Bournemouth.

You really don't like Muff, do you?

 :rocket:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 15:38:18
You really don't like Muff, do you?

 :rocket:

How'd you guess?!


Title: Re:
Post by: Norfolkred on Sunday, May 4, 2014, 21:10:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27192069 Wimbledon deducted 3 points for fielding ineligible player. And for not being Sunderland.

Yes yes, fl v pl justice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27276629

This legal challenge was always going to happen if Sunderland only just avoided relegation! Especially with AFC Wimbledon also being docked points


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ronnie21 on Sunday, May 4, 2014, 21:55:03
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27276629

This legal challenge was always going to happen if Sunderland only just avoided relegation! Especially with AFC Wimbledon also being docked points
Unlikely to succeed, they let West Ham off and they played an ineligible player for a long time!!




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ronnie21 on Sunday, May 4, 2014, 21:55:56
There's a rule for the rich and the rest of us just have to get on with it!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, May 5, 2014, 09:34:47
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-27270357
The world cup will be fun....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, May 5, 2014, 09:37:29
You couldn't pay me to go and watch that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, May 5, 2014, 09:38:01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-27270357
The world cup will be fun....

Bit of a shit way to go


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, May 5, 2014, 11:06:38
Bit of a shit way to go
this is no place for toilet humor tans


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 5, 2014, 11:12:32
this is no place for toilet humor tans
We will flush him out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, May 5, 2014, 11:15:15
He's just yanking your chain


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, May 5, 2014, 11:22:49
I guess that Brazil's hopes of hosting a major tournament ever again down the pan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, May 5, 2014, 11:38:41
Stop taking the piss.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 5, 2014, 13:19:42
I guess that Brazil's hopes of hosting a major tournament ever again down the pan

So, whose bright idea was to give them the Olympics as well?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Monday, May 5, 2014, 18:27:35
So, whose bright idea was to give them the Olympics as well?
Don't worry, they will have replaced the toilets by then.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chunky monkey on Monday, May 5, 2014, 19:13:21
Don't worry, they will have replaced the toilets by then.

That's actually quite good


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Monday, May 5, 2014, 20:33:48
That's actually quite good
;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Thursday, May 15, 2014, 22:15:04
Quote
Interestingly, Wayne Rooney also signed his new contract during the period concerned, but it is not thought the striker's deal resulted in any material wage rise.

Instead, United will provide commercial personnel and expertise to assist in maximising the revenue from his personal image rights.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27403370 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27403370)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 16, 2014, 12:45:34
David James declaring himself bankrupt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, May 16, 2014, 13:02:41
Lionel Messi reported new contract at £700k per week.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Friday, May 16, 2014, 16:11:16
Don't know what planet you get your reports from.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, May 16, 2014, 18:45:51
David James declaring himself bankrupt.

Did he have a calamity with his wallet


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Friday, May 16, 2014, 19:16:19
Never was very good at saving.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Friday, May 16, 2014, 21:12:06
Never was very good at saving.

 :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, May 16, 2014, 21:17:49
FA Cup final kicking off at 5pm


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 16, 2014, 21:53:14
FA Cup final kicking off at 5pm

What are you on about? That'll be something like 9am in Los Angeles and midday in New York.

Perfect.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 15:53:22
FA Cup final kicking off at 5pm

I was just moaning about this elsewhere. I could have got away with sitting on my ass watching that, the wife thinks I will do jobs now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 16:10:51
What are you on about? That'll be something like 9am in Los Angeles and midday in New York.

Perfect.

The final should be at 3pm...End of.

Instead I'll be watch the Barca v At Madrid title decider. Stuff ITV !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 16:23:42
How come the Nou Camp holds the best part of 100,000 and they have given Atletico 500 tickets?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 16:27:31
How come the Nou Camp holds the best part of 100,000 and they have given Atletico 500 tickets?

That's pretty poor on Barca, buy they're pulling every trick in the book. It's win or bust for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 16:44:32
Fans generally don't travel that much in Spain but it does seem pretty tight.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 17:59:21
BT Sport having no less than 6 - yes 6 - 'pundits' on the pitch discussing the first half of the Cup Final!  Six?  Why FFS?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 18:25:11
The final should be at 3pm...End of.

Instead I'll be watch the Barca v At Madrid title decider. Stuff ITV !!

... English "fans" who'd rather watch some Spanish game than England's major cup final. Especially ones who've been moaning about TV/FA etc devaluing the cup.


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 18:54:56
Neil Warnock


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 19:15:31
... English "fans" who'd rather watch some Spanish game than England's major cup final.

To be fair it's a title decider against the top two with Barca needing to win on the final day of the season. You don't see that very often. The last time I saw it was when Arsenal won at Anfield in '89.

Congrats to Atletico Madrid, who has done it on a smaller budget than QPR, when they got relegated last season.

Sorry, but when the FA grows some balls and insist that the FA Cup winners get a CL spot, which means the PL clubs take the competition seriously from the start, then they can call it the 'major Cup Final'. At the moment, the 3rd,4th and 5th round of the cup is treated the same as the League Cup in the early rounds.

Anyway, I'm watching extra time...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 19:18:25
 :fishing: that's a lovely big bite, cheers.

You watch what the fuck you want, it's your telly :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 19:27:07
:fishing: that's a lovely big bite, cheers.

You watch what the fuck you want, it's your telly :)

Bugger !!! >:( :-[


Title: Re:
Post by: oxonrobin on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 19:36:26
Neil Warnock

Came on to write this. Massive chip on his shoulder.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 19:39:49
Massive chip on his shoulder.

Jed might want this for his pub/bistro.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 19:49:44
... English "fans" who'd rather watch some Spanish game than England's major cup final. Especially ones who've been moaning about TV/FA etc devaluing the cup.

I haven't watched a cup final for years...essentially coinciding with it's devaluation, teams putting out weakened sides, Man U being allowed to skip competing, final ko and time being shunted around....that sort of thing.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 20:03:56
Fans generally don't travel that much in Spain but it does seem pretty tight.
To be fair, the country is a tad bigger than ours.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 09:44:16
Is it just me who doesn't like the way they present the FA Cup and I guess any cup at Wembley.
Captain leads the team up, they all gather at the top, the captain squeezes back past everyone to lift the trophy then passes it on.

What was wrong with Captain goes up lifts the trophy, passes to the next person and goes back down with the manager being last and taking the trophy back down with him...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 10:26:54
Is it just me who doesn't like the way they present the FA Cup and I guess any cup at Wembley.
Captain leads the team up, they all gather at the top, the captain squeezes back past everyone to lift the trophy then passes it on.

What was wrong with Captain goes up lifts the trophy, passes to the next person and goes back down with the manager being last and taking the trophy back down with him...

I agree.

Captain followed by the goalkeeper and then the rest. No messing about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnGL7efs-Ig


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 14:00:51
This cunt!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 14:37:00
This cunt!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg.html)

He should be nailed to a post pointing towards Hull as an example to all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 15:54:02
I agree.

Captain followed by the goalkeeper and then the rest. No messing about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnGL7efs-Ig

Fully agree. You can blame UEFA/FIFA, who leave the presenting of the cup to last, and now it seems everyone seems to do it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 16:04:23
This cunt!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg.html)

And a Full Kit Wanker to boot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 17:38:07
I'd be more worried about the bloke taking photos in the men's lavs.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 18:55:40
I'd be more worried about the bloke taking photos in the men's lavs.
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Monday, May 19, 2014, 21:58:08
I'm not sure what I despise more, the attempt from Nike to exploit Arsenal's cup win or the shirt itself.

http://www.footballshirtculture.com/14/15-Kits/arsenal-limited-edition-nike-shirt-to-commemorate-fa-cup-victory.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 19, 2014, 22:01:27
That might be the ugliest thing I've ever seen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 19, 2014, 22:11:18
That might be the ugliest
 thing I've ever seen.

Jo Brand?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 19, 2014, 22:16:33


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg.html)

The kit was always going to clash, but blue trainers and THAT hat?  :suicide:

Maybe Gok arriba could give him some fashion tips.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 19, 2014, 22:31:27
I have them trainers, minus the rest of the outfit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 19, 2014, 23:09:12
I have them trainers, minus the rest of the outfit.

You walk around naked in a pair of Adidas trainers?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 19, 2014, 23:52:09
It's ten times better than the fella in the Hull kit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 13:19:34
Yaya spitting the dummy over his birthday snub (if true).

Get over yourself you massive cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 13:25:45
There's a video of him receiving a birthday cake on his birthday though...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 16:49:01
Rotherham announcing they have sold 12,000 tickets for their PO Final.

I would have kept that quiet TBH


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 16:57:15
Rotherham announcing they have sold 12,000 tickets for their PO Final.

I would have kept that quiet TBH

Not quite sure why that's wrong....however the Conference PO had 19,000.  What's the point of using a 90,000 stadium for that?  They used to use Villa Park up until the FA got desperate for ever more cash, to pay for their white elephant.

This makes much more sense...Cambridge and Gateshead, could have used something like Pride Park, got a few more in and had a proper atmosphere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 17:00:55
Just that 12,000 seems a bit shit to me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 17:02:27
Just that 12,000 seems a bit shit to me

It is only Tuesday. Isn't the final on Sunday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 17:06:08
Not the biggest fanbase going, long journey, something around 15/16K is about par id say.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 17:10:01
Just that 12,000 seems a bit shit to me
They have announced 16,000 today and it is the first day of general sale.

http://www.themillers.co.uk/news/article/wembley-ticket-update-205-1566401.aspx


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 17:14:38
Perhaps I'm just a grumpy fucker at the moment.

Not much happening so stick the boot into Fatty and Associates


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 18:26:45
There's a video of him receiving a birthday cake on his birthday though...

Yaya Toure put the wheels in motion when he did that Rodney Dangerfieldesque 'no respect' schtick some weeks back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 19:10:37
Yaya spitting the dummy over his birthday snub (if true).

Get over yourself you massive cunt.
for a change i agree with you.
His agent moaning that Anzhi got roberto carlos a bugatti veyron. 1. Look where they are now.   2. You earn enough to buy one yourself you greedy cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:42:25
Just that 12,000 seems a bit shit to me

Doncaster's catchment is basically Doncaster.  So not that bad really.  Goes back to the point in another thread about every northern small to mid size town having its own team.  Go 5 miles up the road and folk will be supporting someone else.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 21:01:10
Rotherham please!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 21:06:33
Ha!  I think that more or less proves my point.  They're all the bloody same to me!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 21:12:39
Today is the 10th anniversary.

Adam F. Virgo.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 21:23:48
If you wouldn't mind me subverting the thread into "What's wrong with Cricket"

Giles Clarke, Chairman of the ECB, on captain Alistair Cook

"He is a very determined guy, a very good role model and he and his family are very much the sort of people we want the England captain and his family to be."

Great, he might not be much of a captain but he went to the right school and is a good country fellow from a landed family, so he's in charge. I don't mind Cook but Clarke is a total arse.

Oh, and my 10,000th post is complaining about Cricket. Sums up my contribution really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 21:27:15
Perhaps I'm just a grumpy fucker at the moment.

Not much happening so stick the boot into Fatty and Associates

I don't think we're in much of a position to consider Roverum's attendances as wrong, if you consider they averaged 351 more than us this season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 21:29:54
Yeah, but I'd like to think that if we were in their position for most of the season we would have attracted quite a few more.

Of course, the new stadium factor has added to it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 21:30:32
Didn't they double their average in a single season or something?  Good statistic to quote to all the naysayers who think we're rooted to 8,000 to 9,000 in perpetuity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 21:48:55
Yeah, but I'd like to think that if we were in their position for most of the season we would have attracted quite a few more.

Of course, the new stadium factor has added to it

Well last season we were in at least as good a position and for a while in the auto places, and were 78 better off a game.

However you want to look at it our home crowds, entitle us to be around the top ten of Div 3 and not much more.... like Roverum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 13:09:04
Was reading the article about Villa being up for sale on the BBC site and found Paul Lamberts comments rather worrying

There's nothing imminent. I don't know how long it takes to sell a football club. It's not like you're selling a car or a house."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27485236

I think we need to get Bob Holt in there soonish to help they obviously dont understand



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 17:02:03
He seems to have missed the point.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/latest/carlisle-utd-chief-not-against-league-three-plans-1.1137180?cache=cachehiguain%253Fresourceview%253Dvideo%253Fshowresult%25253%253FshowResult%253D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 18:05:23
He seems to have missed the point.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/latest/carlisle-utd-chief-not-against-league-three-plans-1.1137180?cache=cachehiguain%253Fresourceview%253Dvideo%253Fshowresult%25253%253FshowResult%253D

And a Carlisle fans comeback :

http://www.keithmincher.com/no-to-league-three-a-dear-john-letter/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 18:20:58
And a Carlisle fans comeback :

http://www.keithmincher.com/no-to-league-three-a-dear-john-letter/

That is a quality piece....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 20:09:32
That is a quality piece....
Particularly this bit:

Quote
Tell them this is what we’re good at. What Crewe are good at. And Southampton. And Swindon.

It makes a pleasant change to see a rival team's fan saying something good about us.....


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, May 22, 2014, 21:33:47
Enjoyed reading that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 23, 2014, 13:27:36
£50m for David Luiz (allegedly).

The world has actually gone mad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, May 23, 2014, 14:04:35
£50m for David Luiz (allegedly).

The world has actually gone mad.

That's also to cover his hair products...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, May 23, 2014, 15:17:13
Seriously, considering that PSG were one of the clubs which failed the FFP, and they get nowhere near the same TV revenue as English clubs, I think you can safely say PSG and their Qatari owners are totally ignoring FFP.

Of course, the Qatari owners were backed to buy PSG by a certain Michel Platini.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 23, 2014, 16:05:18
Seriously, considering that PSG were one of the clubs which failed the FFP, and they get nowhere near the same TV revenue as English clubs, I think you can safely say PSG and their Qatari owners are totally ignoring FFP.

Of course, the Qatari owners were backed to buy PSG by a certain Michel Platini.
And they are also being fined/punished for breaching FFP in exactly the same way as Man City are. You seem to have an obsession that Platini is somehow "letting off" PSG while harshly punishing Man City, but, like most Daily Mail-inspired "the nasty French are picking on us" conspiracy theories it's just not true.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 23, 2014, 19:52:51
And they are also being fined/punished for breaching FFP in exactly the same way as Man City are. You seem to have an obsession that Platini is somehow "letting off" PSG while harshly punishing Man City, but, like most Daily Mail-inspired "the nasty French are picking on us" conspiracy theories it's just not true.

Yeah, Platini is a massive knobjockey no matter which way you slice it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 23, 2014, 20:34:45
The 24 clubs in the Championship apparently have a total of £1bn debt between them

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/22/championship-finances-1bn-debt-financial-fair-play-premier-league

Jesus. Fucking. Wept.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 23, 2014, 20:39:27
It can't last.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 23, 2014, 20:48:26
To be fair, at least £900m of that is Bournemouth. Probably


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, May 23, 2014, 20:52:20
Does make you wonder if trying to get there is worth the effort (and cost).

Be interesting to see if Yeovil, as a club, benefitted by their brief stay or whether Bmuff will end up as another Bristol City - chucking money at the lure of the PL, only to sink back to their origins saddled with debt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 23, 2014, 23:22:49
To be fair, at least £900m of that is Bournemouth. Probably

FUCKING ALL OF IT IS DEFINITELY BOURNEMOUTH THE CHEATING CUNTY CUNTS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 10:36:13
Don't forget QPR, as widely reported their wage bill in the Championship is bigger than Dortmand's


Title: Re:
Post by: herthab on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 10:50:00
Dortmand aren't in the Championship....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 10:51:20
Don't forget QPR, as widely reported their wage bill in the Championship is bigger than Dortmand's

Added to the squad costing more than Athletico's. Kind of the definition of "spunking money up a wall". Seriously though, their squad is silly, every time I think "This player wasn't bad in 2005 or so, I wonder what they're doing now?" the answer is QPR - SWP, Luke Young, Jermaine Jenas, Assou Ekotto, Richard Dunne, Yossi Benayoun, Joey Barton, Andy Johnson, Kevin Doyle, Aaron Hughes, Bobby Zamora, Gary O'Neill, the list goes on and on like a weird England B team from 2008.

Charlie is about the only one of their players who could be accused of being in his prime.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 11:51:14
Added to the squad costing more than Athletico's. Kind of the definition of "spunking money up a wall".
Employ Redknapp as a manager and that's what you get. I'd like to think he has the words "Spunking money up a wall since 1986" emblazoned on a heraldic ribbon round a thick brown envelope rampant as his personal coat of arms. But the journos love him so he can do no wrong.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 12:10:18
Joey Barton,

Good intelligent player. He must be, he's a question time guest on Thursday. With Pier Morgan. Oh.

My theory is that they are trying to appeal to Sun readers, whom we all know like a pair of tits


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 20:16:21
qpr


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 22:18:16
qpr

Did I read that they would/will fall foul of FFP if they get promoted.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 22:20:18
Thank god Real Madrid won, I get the impression that Clive Tyldesley was commentating wearing full Real Madrid kit so he may have cried if Athletico had won.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, May 25, 2014, 17:09:58
In play betting odds being displayed on the advertising signs round the pitch at Wembley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, May 25, 2014, 18:16:59
Good intelligent player. He must be, he's a question time guest on Thursday. With Pier Morgan. Oh.

My theory is that they are trying to appeal to Sun readers, whom we all know like a pair of tits

I'm not sure Piers Morgan appeals to Sun readers, more Clarkson hitting him yes...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, May 25, 2014, 20:09:22
Did I read that they would/will fall foul of FFP if they get promoted.

Yep, if they recorded a similar loss this season then the FL "should" have to place a £49m fine on them for over spending - only allowed a £8m loss, and that is only if the owner injects £5m in equity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, May 26, 2014, 15:09:21
Faced with the sentence:

"Cristiano Ronaldo ___ an enormous cock."

Cristiano would use a different verb to the rest of the world.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 26, 2014, 15:19:15
"munches"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 26, 2014, 17:19:35
Is isn't a verb.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, May 26, 2014, 17:27:44
Is isn't a verb.

Interesting theory.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 27, 2014, 16:22:56
Hehehehehe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 22, 2014, 13:48:05
'Arry blaming foreign youngsters for the state of the national team:

"Now when you look at Chelsea and Manchester City, certainly in the last few years, they've got an awful lot of foreign lads in their teams. That is a problem as well."

so what happens when we fill youth teams with young English players and you're still signing ageing foreigners on the cheap? How are they going to get experience?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, June 22, 2014, 19:16:19
redknapp you cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, June 23, 2014, 09:26:28
Gerrard calls out 'Arry Cuntknapp. How much bullshit do we think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27969231


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 23, 2014, 09:36:23
Gerrard calls out 'Arry Cuntknapp. How much bullshit do we think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27969231

I've always assumed that there are players who don't want the hassle of playing for England...so no real surprise that Arry has come out with this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 23, 2014, 15:26:56
I've always assumed that there are players who don't want the hassle of playing for England...so no real surprise that Arry has come out with this.

Indeed.  The fact that Gerrard rabbits on about players wanting to be at the World Cup is nonsense, of course they do then, they are in the shop window.  For the friendlies and less glamourous qualifies, I have no doubt that plenty avoid them.  Players "retire" from international football for gods sake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, June 23, 2014, 17:27:57
I would love it just be to be Arry bullshitting though. I'm sure there are players who have thought this, but whether he's encountered them or not only he and they know.

Much like 'that guy' in the pub who knows about everything and bullshits his way through conversations.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, June 23, 2014, 17:42:39
David Bentley strikes me as a player who wouldn't give a shit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 23, 2014, 18:02:36
David Bentley probably fell out of love with football the day his 6 year £50,000 per-week contract came to an end at Spurs.

He averaged less than 10 games a year with Spurs (not including his mediocre loan spells). Truly, £15 million well spent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, June 23, 2014, 21:48:25
St George flags with 'England' printed on them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, June 23, 2014, 23:23:32
St George flags with 'England' printed on them.

Not just football but generally.

I don't like how the St. George's flag has been co-opted to such an extent that I feel by hanging one up people would think I'm a racist. Although I doubtless live in a village full of them, I don't want people to think I'M one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 17:59:42
Bollox !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28069689


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 18:04:39
Bollox !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28069689


Is laughable really
Bucktoothed fuckwit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 18:09:02
Bollox !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28069689


I still think this is the way to go:

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608016727626418964&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 18:13:43
Is laughable really
Bucktoothed fuckwit

Now Uruguay/Suarez have appealed, FIFA should extend the ban to 12 months, for being in total denial, and make him see shrinks.

I see that fat Argie cheat is backing him. Says it all really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 20:28:05
I do like the fact that 888 have sacked him. So to be a racist and twice cannibal was ok but a racist and three time cannibal is unacceptable. Weird values.
Until he accepts he has done wrong there is no hope for him and his behaviour will continue. Clubs will still sign him though and Uruguay will still pick him. There is no morality or ethics in football.
The fact he will miss some Liverpool games really pleases me. They were a bunch of cunts ( particularly the professional victim Dalgliesh ) over him after he racially abused Evra.  
 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 20:41:29
Yeah the tshirt thing was cringeworthy. Dalglish was a prick about the whole thing aswell


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 20:44:53
Whatever work permit he has in the UK should be withdrawn. Don't let him back in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 20:48:21
Maybe he should be placed in quarantine like you would an animal that enters the uk.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 21:03:47
Brentford spending 7 figures on Odubajo.

Fucccckkk.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Sunday, June 29, 2014, 11:18:46
Suarez is now saying that whilst stumbling,his mouth collided with the defenders shoulder causing him pain to his teeth. It's such a ridiculous and frivolous claim that his ban should be extended in regards to international matches due to Uraguays unequivocal and blinkered support of him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, June 29, 2014, 23:00:06
Suarez is now saying that whilst stumbling,his mouth collided with the defenders shoulder causing him pain to his teeth. It's such a ridiculous and frivolous claim that his ban should be extended in regards to international matches due to Uraguays unequivocal and blinkered support of him.

FIFA took Suarez's explanation / excuse, failure to acknowledge what he had done and lack of remorse in to account when deciding the punishment. Wouldn't have been so severe if he'd come clean. It's in the disciplinary committee report.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Sunday, June 29, 2014, 23:31:13
I don't really get all the outrage. Yes, Suarez is a cock but its not a career ending tackle or a result-influencing act. It's actually quite funny. Football needs more loons. 4 months is harsh.

Look at how Uruguay backed him, then compare it to say, English reaction to Beckham in 98. And people wonder why other nations' players want to play for their country and why our players don't...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, June 30, 2014, 08:12:09
I don't really get all the outrage. Yes, Suarez is a cock but its not a career ending tackle or a result-influencing act. It's actually quite funny. Football needs more loons. 4 months is harsh.

Look at how Uruguay backed him, then compare it to say, English reaction to Beckham in 98. And people wonder why other nations' players want to play for their country and why our players don't...
There is none of this I agree with


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 30, 2014, 08:24:26
There is none of this I agree with

Suarez IS a cock...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chunky monkey on Monday, June 30, 2014, 08:48:22
I don't really get all the outrage. Yes, Suarez is a cock but its not a career ending tackle or a result-influencing act. It's actually quite funny. Football needs more loons. 4 months is harsh.

Look at how Uruguay backed him, then compare it to say, English reaction to Beckham in 98. And people wonder why other nations' players want to play for their country and why our players don't...

Deary me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, June 30, 2014, 09:37:27
I don't really get all the outrage. Yes, Suarez is a cock but its not a career ending tackle or a result-influencing act. It's actually quite funny. Football needs more loons. 4 months is harsh.

Look at how Uruguay backed him, then compare it to say, English reaction to Beckham in 98. And people wonder why other nations' players want to play for their country and why our players don't...

I agree with most of this. It's certainly funny. As is this mass outrage.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 30, 2014, 10:48:06
I agree with most of this. It's certainly funny. As is this mass outrage.

Yep, I agree with DMR too, scary! The over the top outrage makes me chuckle.  Suarez is indeed a cock, and deserves to be punished but if Suarez deserves 4 months then Keane should have been inprisoned for 12 months for his tackle on Alfie, and Tyson should have been hung drawn and quartered for biting an ear off...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Monday, June 30, 2014, 10:53:14
I think a lot of people are confusing their shock that he actually did it again, with shock at what he did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, June 30, 2014, 11:15:54
I can see what DRM is saying, it's a catch 22 situation.

Should suarez have been punished? Yes, probably for longer that 4 months.

If I was on the receiving end it's pretty obvious I'd prefer a bite on my shoulder over a career ending leg break in which the other player would only get a 3 match ban,


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: otanswell on Monday, June 30, 2014, 19:14:13
I do like the fact that 888 have sacked him. So to be a racist and twice cannibal was ok but a racist and three time cannibal is unacceptable. Weird values.
Until he accepts he has done wrong there is no hope for him and his behaviour will continue. Clubs will still sign him though and Uruguay will still pick him. There is no morality or ethics in football.
The fact he will miss some Liverpool games really pleases me. They were a bunch of cunts ( particularly the professional victim Dalgliesh ) over him after he racially abused Evra.  
Ku Klux Justice Piss stained Tramp kenny dalglish


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 09:05:27
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/massimo-cellino-leeds-united-paddy-kenny

As much as I'm enjoying taking the piss out of Leeds supporting mates, this man is quite insane and should not be allowed anywhere near a club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 09:19:13
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/massimo-cellino-leeds-united-paddy-kenny

As much as I'm enjoying taking the piss out of Leeds supporting mates, this man is quite insane and should not be allowed anywhere near a club

'Leeds are now embarking on a cost-cutting process that has seen the canteen at their training ground closed down, meaning the players have to take packed lunches or send out for sandwiches. The players are also being made to pay to have their kits washed.'

Marching on together! :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 09:34:49
'Leeds are now embarking on a cost-cutting process that has seen the canteen at their training ground closed down, meaning the players have to take packed lunches or send out for sandwiches. The players are also being made to pay to have their kits washed.'

Marching on together! :D
Couldnt happen to a nicer club and set of fans :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 10:03:08
'washing up together '


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 10:32:49
Waccoe - we are cleaning, cleaning our equipment.  we are cooking, cooking our eats


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 4, 2014, 21:45:07
Neymar has 54 caps for Brazil at the age of 22.

I get the feeling that if he was English he would be lucky to have 10 England caps.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:02:24
Well you would be wrong, wouldn't you


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:18:35
Brazil.  Dirty long ball merchants who own the refs. 21 fouls against Columbias 14 at this stage and no yellow cards.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:28:56
And the linesman thinks 'how can i disallow this Colombia goal'.

Coming to the conclusion we may as well give up,  give them the trophy and go home!


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:34:08
How many free kicks? Great goal but this Brazil team zzzzzzz. That said, I'd love England to do this!


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:39:21
Oooh. Game on!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:45:14
Currently 29 free kicks ignoring the ones the ref has ignored or somehow awarded to the brazilians.  There were 33 free kicks between the 2 sides in the other game today.  Thats an extrodinary amount for one team.  And they are so fucking hoofy.  

Im beginning to think the competition is not entirely without corruption.

Frankly its as bent as wrestling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 4, 2014, 23:00:35
It's kind of funny how loathsome this Brazil squad are, it's the stuff of pantomime.

It would be delightful to see the Germans dismantle them... but we all know this is Brazil's cup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 23:13:04
Chris Waddle's not mincing his words then -

"If Brazil win this World Cup they will be the worst team ever to win it.
"This Brazil side don't let anybody start passing the ball, they stop the game and obstruct the opposition when there is a problem. Julio Cesar has to get a red card there is no doubt, and Colombia will feel aggrieved to have lost. Brazil should have had five or six more yellow cards - they are getting away with murder.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 4, 2014, 23:15:47
I've got a feeling Chris Waddle knows his stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ct5puqTSi0


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 23:23:24
Why do you know these things exist.  And worse why have you inflicted it on me.

I was watching the match in Norway which was like watching it with fast show commentary.  Chris Waddle was never mentioned.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 4, 2014, 23:26:21
Why do you know these things exist.  And worse why have you inflicted it on me.

I'm fascinated by footballers dabbling in 'music'. My favourite is Gascoinge's follow-up to Fog on the Tyne. I say favourite....  :doh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0-fmKI0lU


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 23:29:04
Im not falling for that again.

Must. Not. Press. Play...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 4, 2014, 23:30:25
Im not falling for that again.

Must. Not. Press. Play...


(http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/post-25179-you-can-do-it-gif-serious-rob-rnbk.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 09:59:35
(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/gk_nash/10473207_723565394369410_551256107588787650_n.jpg) (http://s1024.photobucket.com/user/gk_nash/media/10473207_723565394369410_551256107588787650_n.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 11:14:33
Ha ha that's brilliant. Isn't that our own Washbag artist?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 11:18:39
The Sunshine Room (so yes?). He's been in prolific form this WC on Facebook.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 11:22:40
Link? The Sunshine Room I found on fb is full of girly decorations.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 11:29:41
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Sunshine-Room/186216054771016


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 11:31:09
Ah, that's better. Thanks. He's superb.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, July 15, 2014, 21:09:52
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9383310/sky-bet-championship-blackpool-cancel-pre-season-tour-to-spain

Deary me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:15:28
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28770356


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:29:27
Even Blatter and Platini can see how stupid it is. Imagine being the lucky city who bids millions of pounds and ends up with Burnley v Leicester and Hull v Stoke!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:41:49
If they want to take some games abroad, take them from the current fixtures, and not play an extra game, which is unfair.

The clubs don't want to do that as half the sides will lose their 'home' advantage, and piss off their season ticket holders.

At the end of the day, the winning countries will want the big sides, but Hull, Stoke and the rest....

Will Scudamore just do one?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:53:18
I'm obviously in the minority in not seeing a problem with it.

The major American sports leagues have been having a lot of success taking games abroad and will only increase the number of games over the coming years. If the Premier League don't do it then another league will and they'll risk losing foreign market share by not being first.

They can split the big teams up so every host city gets one and I'd imagine they'd announce the teams before the bidding.

Main reason Blatter and Platini are opposed is it could increase the power of the Premier League even further. Though why anyone would take seriously the opinion of people that think getting women to play in tight shorts and Qatar hosting the World Cup are good ideas is beyond me.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:53:48
If they want to take some games abroad, take them from the current fixtures, and not play an extra game, which is unfair.
Or just keep with the current system of playing a couple of pre-season fixtures against some other big sides abroad and dressing it up as some kind of fake tournament. The Yanks don't know the difference, the clubs get the squillions they're after, the merchandise sells like hot cakes and proper fans don't care if they miss out on the Missouri Milk Shake Bowl Trophy. Everyone's happy. Apart from Richard fucking Scudamore.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:55:32
I'm obviously in the minority in not seeing a problem with it.

The major American sports leagues have been having a lot of success taking games abroad and will only increase the number of games over the coming years. If the Premier League don't do it then another league will and they'll risk losing foreign market share by not being first.
Ooh, that would be terrible. The Premier League risk losing foreign market share? Too awful to contemplate. I demand they double the price of season tickets immediately to pay for at least 3 games abroad per season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:55:51
I'm obviously in the minority in not seeing a problem with it.

The major American sports leagues have been having a lot of success taking games abroad and will only increase the number of games over the coming years.



The NFL games are regular season ones NOT additional fixtures just to make cash
Thats the difference I guess


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:58:21
Ooh, that would be terrible. The Premier League risk losing foreign market share? Too awful to contemplate. I demand they double the price of season tickets immediately to pay for at least 3 games abroad per season.

Not sure what your point is. Personally I don't give a shit.

The owners of the Premier League clubs do. Scudamore works for them and part of his job is increasing income, so he does as well. You might not like it but it's pointless trying to fight it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 22:00:34
The NFL games are regular season ones NOT additional fixtures just to make cash
Thats the difference I guess

Don't think it would be possible for them to hold 16 extra games abroad - just isn't the support outside the US for the sport.

They can also get away with moving regular season games abroad, which you couldn't with the Premier League.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 22:01:21
The NFL games are regular season ones NOT additional fixtures just to make cash
Thats the difference I guess
It's not the only issue. You play all teams home and away and everything is even for all teams. You take a regular game out then it fucks that up.

Some may not care I suppose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 22:15:42
Don't think it would be possible for them to hold 16 extra games abroad - just isn't the support outside the US for the sport.


Theres the difference
The NFL taking games abroad is to promote the game and give new fans a chance to watch a live game where as the PLs motive is money
Greed pure and simple


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 22:19:22
Not sure what your point is. Personally I don't give a shit.

The owners of the Premier League clubs do. Scudamore works for them and part of his job is increasing income, so he does as well.
Do they really? The clubs that will draw crowds for those kinds of games, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc already do very nicely out of their pre-season tours, so they don't need a Game 39. Man Utd-Real sold out a 110,000 ground a week or so ago, they're not going to get more than that for a Game 39. Whereas do the likes of Hull, Crystal Palace, Stoke etc really need to be playing out a game no-one except their own fans care about half way round the world? Don't know that there's the appetite for a Game 39 at all, hence why it was shelved a few years back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 22:37:25
Theres the difference
The NFL taking games abroad is to promote the game and give new fans a chance to watch a live game where as the PLs motive is money
Greed pure and simple

Yeah, the NFL definitely aren't cashing in.

 ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 05:20:44
Yeah, the NFL definitely aren't cashing in.

 ::)

ALL income is shared between all 32 teams in the NFL.
So not as if the teams coming here cash in.
The NFL as an organisation may make something from the Wembley games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 07:15:36
The nfl coming to England is about little else than money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 07:19:39
The nfl coming to England is about little else than money
Correct. There is absolutely no other reason. I love the sport, but the NFL as an organization is just a despicable money making machine. They're very good at it though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 10:11:28
The hypocrisy of Scudamore; 3 months after refusing to resign having been caught sending sexist e-mails, slags off Suarez, as being bad for the Premier League brand.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 10:26:22
The hypocrisy of Scudamore; 3 months after refusing to resign having been caught sending sexist e-mails, slags off Suarez, as being bad for the Premier League brand.

Sexists can have opinions too, Reg.

You should know about that  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 10:56:40
Sexists can have opinions too, Reg.

You should know about that  ;)

 Sexism, whether in sport, or wider society is an interesting debating point....which cropped up in my quiz team on Monday night. I expressed my concern that as a unit we are failing to identify female participants in sporting events, and personally, in  music etc and wondered if the root cause was unconscious sexism?

One of the lads, who does quite a bit of quiz setting, was relating how he'd done something for a local PTA, and got slagged off because in  the picture round he'd put Victoria Azarenka and Caroline Wozniaki....and nobody got them, and the consensus was just too difficult....he'd been thinking, well both been recent number ones, and they wouldn't be getting Simone Halep and Petra Kvitova, current 2 and 3.

Now tennis, along with athletics is probably the most high profile female sport, yet even here the general populus doesn't take much notice....so the women's rugby WC is going to struggle for recognition.

As for  wider society it's a proper minefield out there.

http://everydaysexism.com/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 11:14:20
....so the women's rugby WC is going to struggle for recognition.

Unless they played naked


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 11:49:18
Correct. There is absolutely no other reason. I love the sport, but the NFL as an organization is just a despicable money making machine. They're very good at it though.

They are, but the one thing that differentiates it from the Premier League is that they aim for parity among the teams.

Income is shared evenly between all of the teams, and the salary cap is rigorously enforced so getting a wealthy owner doesn't automatically mean the team will become a contender.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 12:26:29
Southampton paying £12.5m for Shane Long

Are they fucking mad?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 12:44:55
Southampton paying £12.5m for Shane Long

Are they fucking mad?

My thoughts exactly. Hull virtually doubled their money from a striker that scored 4 in 16...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 12:46:01
Southampton paying £12.5m for Shane Long

Are they fucking mad?

Maybe not mad, but I bet they are pretty fucking desperate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 12:48:42
I honestly don't get why Brit/Irish players command such high prices

No wonder Carlos Kickaball is so much in demand


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 12:56:26
They are, but the one thing that differentiates it from the Premier League is that they aim for parity among the teams.

Income is shared evenly between all of the teams, and the salary cap is rigorously enforced so getting a wealthy owner doesn't automatically mean the team will become a contender.

The main difference is the NFL is a profit making business whilst the PL is a pissing match for rich people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 13:02:52
I honestly don't get why Brit/Irish players command such high prices

No wonder Carlos Kickaball is so much in demand

The Prem money men, know that it is important to have at least some domestic players at a club for the fans to relate to...if as is the trend, you end up with just foreigners, what is the point?  Might as well go and play in Qatar; so they acquire that premium.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, August 18, 2014, 17:47:15
 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/18/psv-fans-protest-against-wifi-access

 Good that the fans are protesting against it mind.  Don't suppose we have wi-fi at the CG, do we, it would make fuck all difference to me, so don't know.

 Maybe Rikki Hunt could do us a deal, through SBC :)


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, August 18, 2014, 19:19:46
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/18/psv-fans-protest-against-wifi-access

 Good that the fans are protesting against it mind.  Don't suppose we have wi-fi at the CG, do we, it would make fuck all difference to me, so don't know.

 Maybe Rikki Hunt could do us a deal, through SBC :)
Bit of a pointless protest really unless there is absolutely no mobile data coverage at their stadium. Can't say I've ever noticed many at the CG glued to their phones during the match, more so at half time... good opportunity for the club to provide stadium wifi at a nominal cost and potentially open up a revenue stream


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, August 18, 2014, 22:31:55
Bit of a pointless protest really unless there is absolutely no mobile data coverage at their stadium. Can't say I've ever noticed many at the CG glued to their phones during the match, more so at half time... good opportunity for the club to provide stadium wifi at a nominal cost and potentially open up a revenue stream
But the protest is a bit more than just about the wifi issue - it is another element that appears to some to be damaging their favoured football match experience. Plus, reports of the protest have reached the eyes and ears of the fans of an insignificant little club like ours, so it has achieved something. Personally, it is good to learn that fans at clubs outside England are pissed-off with the continuing sanitization of football and are willing to make that view known.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 06:05:10
Malky mackay


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 08:01:12
His mate Moody looks a bit rapey doesn't he


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 08:55:26
Malky mackay

just read an article on this. shocking


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Norfolkred on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 09:16:20
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2730307/Malky-Mackay-Iain-Moody-investigated-FA-sexist-racist-homophobic-text-messages-time-Cardiff.html

Amazed by this - Mackay had every Cardiff fan thinking he was the hero and Tan was the villain. In fact, he probably had the whole country thinking it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 12:05:29
Roll up! Roll up!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvjkiQAIQAAbYiy.jpg)

Hopefully sales will remain low.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 13:38:13
Subject to availability- that shouldn't be an issue. They could hold it at the CG at the moment...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 20:16:16
http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-7418.html

BANTER


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 21:46:45
http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-7418.html

BANTER
What did he say and in what context. Is it in a paper somewhere?

I bet most of us have told sexist and probably racist jokes to mates (Irish ones for example), though probably not using work equipment is that's what he did?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 21:53:02
What did he say and in what context. Is it in a paper somewhere?

I bet most of us have told sexist and probably racist jokes to mates (Irish ones for example), though probably not using work equipment is that's what he did?

And you would know that in many jobs, if your little indiscretion got out into the public domain, then there would be a price to pay..


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 21:54:10
Yes that's true reg.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 22:27:34
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2730307/Malky-Mackay-Iain-Moody-investigated-FA-sexist-racist-homophobic-text-messages-time-Cardiff.html

Amazed by this - Mackay had every Cardiff fan thinking he was the hero and Tan was the villain. In fact, he probably had the whole country thinking it!

It should be pointed out that these weren't the reasons he was sacked so the jury is still out if tan sacked him for a transfer scandal and it's not proven. The texts were found following an investigation after he was dismissed. Think of the investigator who had to read through 70,000 texts and 100,000 emails to find that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, August 22, 2014, 09:09:13
The price of working in the public eye.

If you are Joe Bloggs the decorator then you can make these jokes and nobody will find out or care too much.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, August 22, 2014, 10:36:19
Think of the investigator who had to read through 70,000 texts and 100,000 emails to find that!

Ctrl+f, insert offensive word.

Not that difficult I'd imagine if you're using a transcript.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Friday, August 22, 2014, 13:14:19
The price of working in the public eye.

If you are Joe Bloggs the decorator then you can make these jokes and nobody will find out or care too much.

These weren't jokes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28896425


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 22, 2014, 13:57:44
No they were not the media blowing it massively out proportion joke type texts I thought they'd be


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 22, 2014, 14:03:35
http://www.football365.com/mediawatch/9434304/Mediawatch


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, August 22, 2014, 14:14:26
Let's be honest, all the people  making a living out of the racism industry would be distraught if this kind of thing was ever actually consigned to history.

I'm of a mind in thinking it may better to hear what certain people actually say then keeping schtum and nobody knowing what they are actually thinking


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, August 22, 2014, 15:50:31
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening, those bad people in the racism industry just making shit up for the sake of it. Bad, bad people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 22, 2014, 15:53:09
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening, those bad people in the racism industry just making shit up for the sake of it. Bad, bad people.

Gay snakes the lot of them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, August 22, 2014, 16:00:05
(and as a disclaimer, I'm no more comfortable than anyone else with the overtones of this and the similar Scudamore incident that what appears to have been private messages/conversations seem to have start to become "policed" in the same way as if MacKay or Scudamore had stood up and said this shit in an interview)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, August 22, 2014, 16:05:37
Let's be honest, all the people  making a living out of the racism industry would be distraught if this kind of thing was ever actually consigned to history.

I'm of a mind in thinking it may better to hear what certain people actually say then keeping schtum and nobody knowing what they are actually thinking

That is a truly mind boggling post! Hilariously, I think you actually believe what you wrote. Fucking racism industry?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, August 22, 2014, 16:47:30
Yes, almost mind boggling as your insidious Jews comment of a few weeks ago


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, August 22, 2014, 17:00:25
Well needed to give the industry some ammo! Times are tough.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, August 22, 2014, 20:10:42

Think of the investigator who had to read through 70,000 texts and 100,000 emails to find that!
Ctrl+f, insert offensive word.

Not that difficult I'd imagine if you're using a transcript.

Yh of course....

Ctrl+f "gay snake" = get in! We've got him. Um how about Ctrl+f "Jew" and "white faces".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, August 22, 2014, 22:26:42

Ctrl+f "gay snake" = get in! We've got him. Um how about Ctrl+f "Jew" and "white faces".


I know right?! Piece of piss! I could do that job!


Title: Re:
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 00:16:18
This was covered on 5 live earlier. Clarke Carlisle and then Redknapp both took the "but Malky is a good bloke" line. It was pathetic. The fact he has friends in the game doesn't change what he said and must not exonerate him. It was the Jewish comments that got me in particular.

I hope the FA strip him of his licence for a couple of years. Kick racism out of football, after all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 06:00:08
Clarke Carlisle always has to have his say. I await the reaction from sol Campbell.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 07:47:29
It's the whole 'I'm not racist, I've got plenty of black mates..' line.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 09:00:57
Clarke Carlisle always has to have his say.
You know how this stuff works right? The programme producers decide they want to have a discussion on a topic of the day. They discuss who might be a good choice. In this instance, a former chair of the PFA and current Kick It Out ambassador who also knows the man right at the eye of the storm, would seem to be a reasonable choice. That's not so much "Clarke Carlisle always has to have his say" as "The producers rang Clarke Carlisle and asked him to be on the show as someone who could shed some light on the topic from multiple relevant perspectives that many of their listeners might not have access to" perhaps?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 09:30:32
This was covered on 5 live earlier. Clarke Carlisle and then Redknapp both took the "but Malky is a good bloke" line. It was pathetic. The fact he has friends in the game doesn't change what he said and must not exonerate him. It was the Jewish comments that got me in particular.

I hope the FA strip him of his licence for a couple of years. Kick racism out of football, after all.

What did he say/text? Is it online somewhere?

With texts and FB and all that shit, if I was in the public eye, I wouldn't bother.



Title: Re:
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 11:03:18
Redknapp said "he hasn't raped anyone" (quote) and words to the effect of "he's a good sort".

Carlisle said he'd played with and was friends with Mackay, and knew that he was a good guy. He also said Mackay would not have seen the LMA "banter"  statement, so as to defend him.
Brad Friedel (who speaks very very well) then pointed out how ridiculous it sounded for a manager to allow a union to send out a press release without putting it through the manager first. Carlisle v quickly back tracked and said, "I'm sure he would have seen it",  as if nobody noticed what he'd originally said. Carlisle came across as a right fool.

The way I see it, Mackay may have been friendly to many in the game, and had some close mates, but if the FA wants to (very rightly) throw people out of grounds and ban them for racist chanting, then if Mackay repeatedly puts it in writing, he should be given the same treatment. No licence and a ban from grounds.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 12:29:46
To me this is quite simple. If him and moody were exchanging texts on mobile phones provided to them to conduct their work on behalf of Cardiff then they are bang to rights and have no defence. They have to take whats coming to them which personally I hope is never working in football ever again and their colleagues denouncing them. They appear to have covered all the isms.
If they were using private phones then its an infringement of their privacy and they should be suing. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 12:57:08
Does what phone they were using really make a difference to what they said? Calling someone a 'grasping Jew' is surely the same whether you do it on your work phone or your personal one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 13:27:01
I think it does. One is professional, the other is private. In private, people can hold whatever repellent views they want, they are also at liberty to communicate these to their friends taking the risk that their friends will keep them private. Cardiff and the FA can hold him responsible for expressing those views in a work related capacity. What he does in private though is his concern. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 18:37:10
Sky advertising transfer deadline day as if it's some sort of entertainment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 18:40:21
Yeah the bit where they do a totaliser of money spunked, really irks me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 18:58:26
Considering everything else Sky have done to fuck up football, their advertising of the soap opera that is transfer deadline day is something I'd find it difficult to get irritated by tbh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 00:32:40
Considering everything else Sky have done to fuck up football, their advertising of the soap opera that is transfer deadline day is something I'd find it difficult to get irritated by tbh.
It's pretty fucking shit to be fair Paul. It looks to me that you are becoming anaesthetised by Sky's bullshit which, frankly, I find slightly concerning as I've always had you down as one of the sharper tools in the box.

If you're accepting it then there's no hope for the rest.

It really is one of the many things that is fundamentally wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 02:31:25
Yeah the bit where they do a totaliser of money spunked, really irks me

Quite, I've said it before but I hate the way they bellow the total amount spent on players in that particular window. It's presented as if it's something we should be impressed by. To be honest I look at the total, fall out of love with the game a bit more and wonder how many children's cancer wards that figure could fund.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 09:11:09
It's pretty fucking shit to be fair Paul. It looks to me that you are becoming anaesthetised by Sky's bullshit which, frankly, I find slightly concerning as I've always had you down as one of the sharper tools in the box.

If you're accepting it then there's no hope for the rest.

It really is one of the many things that is fundamentally wrong with football.
Not accepting it at all, in fact I haven't seen it, just think that of all the many things Sky's malign influence has fucked up in English football (and looking at Murdoch's empire generally, English life), making a "thing" of transfer deadline day isn't that high up the list. It would be a thing whether or not Sky hyped it up, as all the other media would make a huge deal out of it as well. The obscene amounts being spent, on both players and wages, is another matter


Title: Re:
Post by: herthab on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 09:42:17
If all the people who complain about Sky didn't purchase their products, then there wouldn't be an issue with them, would there?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 09:52:23
If all the people who complain about Sky didn't purchase their products, then there wouldn't be an issue with them, would there?

the reason I will never purchase sky, they've fucked football. But little old me not buying makes no difference to them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 09:55:00
I quite like the transfer deadline day coverage.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 09:56:44
the reason I will never purchase sky, they've fucked football. But little old me not buying makes no difference to them

As always the crucial thing is numbers to make the difference. But you're not on your own, I don't subscribe to Sky either for largely the same reason.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 13:25:51
If all the people who complain about Sky didn't purchase their products, then there wouldn't be an issue with them, would there?
I don't.
I quite like the transfer deadline day coverage.
Booo! Burn the witch!


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 16:16:24
Can we start our own spunked / spent threads to keep up with transfer deadline day.

I nominate 12 mill for Shane long straight into the spunked thread.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 17:12:37
Quite, I've said it before but I hate the way they bellow the total amount spent on players in that particular window. It's presented as if it's something we should be impressed by. To be honest I look at the total, fall out of love with the game a bit more and wonder how many children's cancer wards that figure could fund.

Whenever they pit up that figure, I think of the millions being paid to football's parasites...the agent's. The amounts some pick up in 'fees' is absolutely disgusting.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 17:33:38
Not accepting it at all, in fact I haven't seen it, just think that of all the many things Sky's malign influence has fucked up in English football (and looking at Murdoch's empire generally, English life), making a "thing" of transfer deadline day isn't that high up the list. It would be a thing whether or not Sky hyped it up, as all the other media would make a huge deal out of it as well. The obscene amounts being spent, on both players and wages, is another matter

You can't blame Sky for the amount of money spent on transfer fees and wages. They might give the money to the clubs but they don't hold a gun to the Chairmen's heads and force them to piss it all away on players.

Besides the fans are just as much to blame. How many were complaining when PDC was doing the same with Black's money?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 19:30:09
The programme on Sky 'The Fall & Rise of Leicester City'. Why?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 20:03:15
The programme on Sky 'The Fall & Rise of Leicester City'. Why?


Cos they are newcomers to skys the FAs the premier league


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 21:40:22
You can't blame Sky for the amount of money spent on transfer fees and wages. They might give the money to the clubs but they don't hold a gun to the Chairmen's heads and force them to piss it all away on players.

Besides the fans are just as much to blame. How many were complaining when PDC was doing the same with Black's money?
It was pretty obvious to me (as it should have been to anyone) that Di Canio's 'Revolving Door' player recruitment policy was unsustainable and would end in tears sooner rather than later. However, if I'd tried voicing my concerns to Jeremy Wray I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have returned my calls. Even if he had, I seriously doubt that he would have heeded my warnings

So in that particular instance (or any other for that matter), I don't see how the fans were to blame or what they could have done.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 21:49:18
You can say that about any club that spends more than they bring in. Which is probably the majority of the clubs.

It's sustainable as long as the backer stays committed.

I don't see anyone was to blame really, aside from the overspend/transfer embargo. Black wasn't committed anymore, that's all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, September 2, 2014, 18:46:02
See that Rushden and Diamonds old ground Nene Park, is to be knocked down and turned into a retail park.
 
http://www.northampton-news-hp.co.uk/home-Rushden-Diamonds-Nene-Park-set-demolished/story-22863574-detail/story.html
 
What a waste, remember going there one Boxing Day, when we were terrible and lost 2-0, lucky to get nil.  Tidy little modern ground...in a good setting, with community facilities etc....the largesse of Max Griggs.

Also went there for a big national quiz once out of season, and we had the run of the hospitality, again very good stuff.

Sort of thing on a slightly larger scale that we need.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, September 2, 2014, 21:01:21
Shame its not flat-pack so we can poach the fancy end for use at the County Ground.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 2, 2014, 21:07:55
It was pretty obvious to me (as it should have been to anyone) that Di Canio's 'Revolving Door' player recruitment policy was unsustainable and would end in tears sooner rather than later. However, if I'd tried voicing my concerns to Jeremy Wray I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have returned my calls. Even if he had, I seriously doubt that he would have heeded my warnings

So in that particular instance (or any other for that matter), I don't see how the fans were to blame or what they could have done.

Thing is I didn't care, I was bored following the same old crap at a swindon.
From day one I was ecstatic about the appointment of PDC. Sure it was going to be a time bomb but it was a fantastic ride. Every home and away game an experience.
Black put up the pounds, there was a budget and PDC was allowed to spend.
Tell you now who knows where it could have ended the championship for sure if only Black would have kept the roller coaster going for a little longer.
No regrets from me whatsoever.
A new dawn and era now and have to say exceeding my expectations.
Just wish a few more would return to the CG as the atmosphere is a little stale.
Many Chapters in my long history following Swindon and the PDC era up there with the best of them.
Far more worst.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 13:04:06
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29056885

Talk like that will pack them in. I don't mind Hodgson but you put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 13:14:55
Fuck me, it's not up to the opponents to excite the fans, it's supposed to be our own team.

I watched the game last night and it seems that no matter who the manager or playing personnel are it's just more of the same turgid crap we've been dished up for donkey's years


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 13:23:02
Was there a game last night?   ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 13:28:10
More people watched the bake off. Nearly double in fact. Christ.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 13:55:36
More people watched the bake off. Nearly double in fact. Christ.

I watched the England game and it was pretty boring. Only Sterling really came out of the game with any credit. Rooney scored a penalty but he is a shadow of the player he used to be.

In bake off news, last week's episode was a cracker, when the Irish bloke brought the bin up to Mary and Jeremy Beadle it made me smile a bit.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 14:28:51
I thought Jeremy Beadle was Matthew Kelly


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 15:42:49
I thought Jeremy Beadle was Matthew Kelly

I think you mean Bill Oddie?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 15:55:25
I watched the England game and it was pretty boring. Only Sterling really came out of the game with any credit. Rooney scored a penalty but he is a shadow of the player he used to be.

In bake off news, last week's episode was a cracker, when the Irish bloke brought the bin up to Mary and Jeremy Beadle it made me smile a bit.

Hart made a decent save from Joshua King, who apparently is at Blackburn....I thought Beadle was dead....I know this as he liked a quiz did Jezza, so he kind of entered my orbit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 15:59:59
I thought he was a Dickens character


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 16:01:22
I thought he was a Dickens character

You're confusing him with Peter Beadle, who used to turn out for non-league Bristol Rovers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 16:04:21
I thought Bristol Rovers were a football club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 19:13:33
More people watched the bake off. Nearly double in fact. Christ.

I did. At least I don't know what the ingredients are going to be on Bake Off, whereas with an England match under Hodgson and with Rooney I know exactly what's going into it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 19:28:17
I'm one of the few that watched the game. Was complete and utter bollocks, though it improved a lot when Rooney went off and Wellbeck came on. Don't have anything against Rooney but we simply have better options up front. Maybe he'd work ok in midfield, but we have better options there as well.

Kind of bizarre being captain of your club and country when there is a good chance you won't make the first eleven of either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 20:26:20
I'm one of the few that watched the game. Was complete and utter bollocks, though it improved a lot when Rooney went off and Wellbeck came on. Don't have anything against Rooney but we simply have better options up front. Maybe he'd work ok in midfield, but we have better options there as well.

Kind of bizarre being captain of your club and country when there is a good chance you won't make the first eleven of either.

I didn't think it was that bad, although I agree about Rooney.  I thought it looked like a bunch of promising young players, not world beaters, that were crying out for a couple of top class players to show them the way - which is what we are lacking.  Our young players are going to have to learn without that guidance, because we have nobody like that. 

I also thought we had a much better shape when we went to the diamond, with Sterling at the front.  He is wasted out wide - he makes things happen through the middle.  With him in behind Sturridge and Welbeck we look dangerous.  Henderson at the back of the diamond will grow in to the role - there is a good player there.  If we can create a couple of good players to play on either side of that diamond from Wilshere, O-C, Delph, Colback, or AN Other, then that will help.  Defensively - we are terrible.  Hopefully Chambers and Stones will help, but if our future defence is built on Phil Jones, Gary Cahill and Chris Smalling, then we are in trouble. 

And yes - I am obviously one of those who do still care about the national team.  As you all would, if we were good and won a world cup. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 22:48:06
I still care about the national team, I'm just apathetic towards them at the moment because they have yet to learn the lessons of the last few years and keep choosing players who are not the best at their role.

Some could say the reason they pick players like Rooney et al is because they sell more shirts. The same people could also then mention how instead of lowering prices/giving out free tickets to schools/youth groups because of the lack of tickets sold (and therefore the shit atmosphere) at Wembley, they decided to stick with the overpriced costing for a friendly that no-one gives a shit about, proving that the FA cares more about the dosh rolling in than the actual football being served up to its customers.

I'm not one of those, mind you, but you can see why people would be.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, September 5, 2014, 14:33:27
Tbf, don't know that ticket prices were THAT big a problem - £60 for a family of four isn't that bad, if cost was a deterrent anywhere it'd be the cost of getting there/eating in London etc etc as much as the tickets. But let's be honest, it's more the general "meh" surrounding England at the moment, plus the not terribly inspiring opposition (sorry, sonic)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 17:55:56
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9459793/michel-platini-warns-franck-ribery-he-could-be-punished-if-he-rejects-france-call


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 18:15:52
I read that earlier. That's just all sorts of wrong.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 18:53:32
Why are these international matches on Sunday and Monday nights?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 19:20:03
So TV can televise more games thereby garnering yet more dosh for UEFA to stuff into more brown envelopes


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 19:24:06
I read that earlier. That's just all sorts of wrong.

In a way i can understand what platini is saying but he is coming across as a bit of a cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 19:45:24
Why are these international matches on Sunday and Monday nights?

Instead of the countries doing their own deals, UEFA decided to pool their matches and sell they like they do for the CL/EL. Due to the fact the qualifying has been watered down, due to 24 teams now qualifying, meaning a number of games towards the end are going to be 'dead', after paying compensation to the bigger countries, who already had deals in place, UEFA have made a big loss on doing this.

Another Platini master plan...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 08:51:54
(https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/a43846f4c7d00255736d8ccddf1670eb69b9187573aef7b2f3745eb9299ab82c_large)

 :huh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 14:50:50
Twats like this. You had to wash your own kit, big fucking deal.

Shitcunt.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9461259/championship-former-blackpool-striker-michael-chopra-hits-out-at-club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 15:06:41
Twats like this. You had to wash your own kit, big fucking deal.

Shitcunt.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9461259/championship-former-blackpool-striker-michael-chopra-hits-out-at-club

He looks like he's become partial to the odd pastry based snack.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 16:01:26
But not when at the ground obviously...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 16:26:15
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/09/queens-park-rangers-football-league-ffp


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 16:28:41
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/09/queens-park-rangers-football-league-ffp

Genius logic! Apparently it would be unfair to the club coming down to cut it's cloth accordingly! I am totally baffled by that statement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 17:23:14
Maybe it would be fairer on relegated clubs if they got a huge payout for getting relegated to help them adjust?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, September 10, 2014, 12:52:33
The absurdity of the multi-organisation structure of professional football!

One league, five divisions, same rules for all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, September 10, 2014, 13:03:58
The absurdity of the multi-organisation structure of professional football!

One league, five divisions, same rules for all.


A: Money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Friday, September 12, 2014, 08:32:47
An interesting read over breakfast.  Good to see that our 'newbie' figure for the last year (Table 2) was low.  I take it the Newcastle figure was so high because of the 'horse punching' fracas after the Sunderland game.   :sherlock:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/352864/FootballRelatedArrestsBanningOrderSeason201314.pdf


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, September 12, 2014, 08:54:56
An interesting read over breakfast.  Good to see that our 'newbie' figure for the last year was low.  I take it the Newcastle figure was so high because of the 'horse punching' fracas after the Sunderland game.   :sherlock:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/352864/FootballRelatedArrestsBanningOrderSeason201314.pdf

A respectable top half L1 finish. Chesterfield and Scunthorpe punching above their weight, so to speak.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, September 12, 2014, 09:02:28
Wouldn't mind seeing the figures from the 70's and early 80's they would be off the scale. Doubt they would exist though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, September 12, 2014, 09:14:58
An interesting read over breakfast.  Good to see that our 'newbie' figure for the last year (Table 2) was low.  I take it the Newcastle figure was so high because of the 'horse punching' fracas after the Sunderland game.   :sherlock:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/352864/FootballRelatedArrestsBanningOrderSeason201314.pdf

Do Stoke play several matches on Nov 5th??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, September 12, 2014, 09:31:29
Looking at those figures Crawley v Franchise must be the most insipid encounter.

Not one arrest between them all season - not even a booze related offence entering the ground, which must be a prerequisite for watching Creepies surely.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 12, 2014, 09:46:21
Brizzle  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, September 12, 2014, 13:30:01
Good to see we had the only person arrested in L1 for racist/indecent chanting...  ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, September 12, 2014, 13:32:10
Let's hope it was indecent.

Got to say, though, after over 40 years following Swindon I honestly cannot bring to mind anything remotely racist

My fav indecent chanting was away at Oxford when that fella proposed to his girlfriend in the centre circle at half time to the accompaniment from the Town fans

'Does she take it up the arse?'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 12, 2014, 13:57:26
You must have had earphones in Aud, I  remember hearing quite vocal chanting in the early 90's, pleased that it's a thing of the past.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, September 12, 2014, 14:00:11
Maybe I just filtered it out.

That and a bit of Alzheimers


Title: Re: Sv: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, September 12, 2014, 14:45:21
You must have had earphones in Aud, I  remember hearing quite vocal chanting in the early 90's, pleased that it's a thing of the past.
I've heard plenty of racist comments at football in the past decade


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, September 12, 2014, 15:10:17
I've heard plenty of racist comments at football in the past decade
Me too and not just from the "older" generation of supporters.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 12, 2014, 15:47:38
I bet I know a certain ex-lying chairman who would be first in the queue with his £1

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hull-owner-assem-allam-vows-4205357


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, September 12, 2014, 20:39:32
You must have had earphones in Aud, I  remember hearing quite vocal chanting in the early 90's, pleased that it's a thing of the past.

The Premiership season was fucking awful from what I remember. The whole bottom left (looking at the pitch) corner of the bank was dominated by a right odious bunch of cunts that were positively delighted by the fact that we didn't have any black players at the time, and spent half of every game letting the opposition fans know that "Swindon were (are) White", as well as giving dog's abuse to any black opposition players.

I kind of shuffled about uncomfortably along with everybody else for ages until they finally pushed me over the edge one game and I ended up screaming at them to shut the fuck up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, September 12, 2014, 21:22:36
There was a guy doing monkey chants in the Town End sometime in the last 3 or 4 seasons. He only lasted 2 games then never saw him again. Absolute cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, September 12, 2014, 22:20:22
The Premiership season was fucking awful from what I remember. The whole bottom left (looking at the pitch) corner of the bank was dominated by a right odious bunch of cunts that were positively delighted by the fact that we didn't have any black players at the time, and spent half of every game letting the opposition fans know that "Swindon were (are) White", as well as giving dog's abuse to any black opposition players.

I kind of shuffled about uncomfortably along with everybody else for ages until they finally pushed me over the edge one game and I ended up screaming at them to shut the fuck up.
You can't just leave it there Dalai Lama, what happened then?? :hmmm:


Title: Re: Sv: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, September 12, 2014, 22:30:46
I've heard plenty of racist comments at football in the past decade

Sadly I remember dozens of Town fans making monkey noises to Luther Blissett when we played Bournemouth in 1990.

Thankfully I just can't imagine anything like that ever happening again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, September 12, 2014, 22:36:34
You can't just leave it there Dalai Lama, what happened then?? :hmmm:

My memory is of it going a bit quiet and a lot of people turning to look at me, while my mates looked a little nervous. Then there being a bit of generally positive muttering amongst the crowd around us and we relaxed a bit.

The tossers down the bottom sort of calmed down for the rest of the game at least.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, September 12, 2014, 22:55:26
My memory is of it going a bit quiet and a lot of people turning to look at me, while my mates looked a little nervous. Then there being a bit of generally positive muttering amongst the crowd around us and we relaxed a bit.

The tossers down the bottom sort of calmed down for the rest of the game at least.
That's generally how those kinds of situations play out. Fair play for saying something. I try to avoid confrontation wherever possible and you have to have a certain amount of tolerance. Equally though, I have a line in my head in terms of acceptable behaviour and I will react if that line is crossed. I think I would have reacted in the same way as you did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, September 12, 2014, 23:49:22
My nephew will be 7 in a few months, getting to the age where we could enjoy a day out at the football. His dad is a Wednesday fan (from Sheffield), but happy for him to support his local team like we both have. It's not affordable though, is it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 00:47:33
Might be a lot wrong with football, but at least we don't have high ranking officials saying on the day someone is convicted of manslaughter that they'll be welcome back with open arms to compete at the highest level once they've been released form prison.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 07:50:10
My nephew will be 7 in a few months, getting to the age where we could enjoy a day out at the football. His dad is a Wednesday fan (from Sheffield), but happy for him to support his local team like we both have. It's not affordable though, is it?

I think that under 10s can join the Junior Reds for £25 and then get into matches free.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 09:13:48
Might be a lot wrong with football, but at least we don't have high ranking officials saying on the day someone is convicted of manslaughter that they'll be welcome back with open arms to compete at the highest level once they've been released form prison.
There's no need to, when they know full well clubs will welcome them back with open arms. In some cases before they've even been released from prison.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 09:21:05
I think that under 10s can join the Junior Reds for £25 and then get into matches free.
They can, but then they need to either get a season ticket (for free) or if they're going to match by match they need to book their ticket a day in advance. All of which slightly takes away from the likelihood that people who aren't Town fans (as in the case Ben mentioned) are going to say "Hey, I know what son, let's go to the football and see if you like it". And it doesn't help with the fact that the Dad would still have to pay well OTT for his ticket.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 10:17:38
That's generally how those kinds of situations play out. Fair play for saying something. I try to avoid confrontation wherever possible and you have to have a certain amount of tolerance. Equally though, I have a line in my head in terms of acceptable behaviour and I will react if that line is crossed. I think I would have reacted in the same way as you did.

I'd like to pretend that it was a conscious decision to speak out bravely, but I just lost completely lost my rag for a few minutes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, September 18, 2014, 21:33:33
A watch? £16k !! Really Greg, you didn't think FIFA would give out £20 watches...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29257077


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, September 19, 2014, 09:05:39
disgusting in this day and age of football.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/18/1411076275674/FK-Partizan-v-Tottenham-H-011.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 19, 2014, 09:16:12
I'm always amazed how much trouble people are prepared to go to, to look like a total moron.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, September 19, 2014, 09:20:40
disgusting in this day and age of football.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/18/1411076275674/FK-Partizan-v-Tottenham-H-011.jpg)

I was going to say that pic must be from Partizan v Spurs last night...which I can now see when pressing quote.

Daresay Partizan fans have plenty of previous, and get the usual UEFA finger wag and told to get on with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, September 19, 2014, 10:33:16
The area Partizan comes from is of course one with a long history of complicity in helping organisations like the SS Death's Head squads.

You'd think the authorities would try and get the thing taken down, especially with the world's cameras on it and the fact that Spurs are a slightly more Jewish club than your average one. Disgusting.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 19, 2014, 19:06:52
I think we can safely say that Platini is getting to replace Blatter when the time is right, working on all the skills needed to be FIFA president!

Platini will not return £16,000 watch http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29285817


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, September 22, 2014, 13:19:58
Perennial favourite in this category, Jorge Mendes:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/22/-sp-jorge-mendes-agent-third-party-ownership-players


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, October 3, 2014, 17:08:52
Lionel Messi on trial for tax evasion :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29479772


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 00:14:54
Went to Blackpool v Cardiff tonight. I think Karl Oyston and Vincent Tan both slot quite comfortably into the thread. 2 clubs being ruined from the top.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 00:19:09
I understand what you're saying, ................but...........

Both clubs did well out of those owners initially, going from shitty little clubs to being "premiership clubs"

You live by the sword, you die by the sword


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 13:22:39
I understand what you're saying, ................but...........

Both clubs did well out of those owners initially, going from shitty little clubs to being "premiership clubs"

You live by the sword, you die by the sword

I see where you're coming from, but can't agree. This isn't a Bournemouth/Wray and Di Canio type situation.

Rising up the leagues as a well-managed club is not living by the sword. It's the equivalent of Power deciding that next season he wants to halve the wage budget again, and getting rid of all the players leaving us with a makeshift squad assembled two weeks into the season, so that he can cream off £2m profit for himself while we struggle at the bottom of the league. Would we be to blame for enjoying the current football?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 13:30:55
That was Jeds plan wasnt it? :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 15:05:30
That was Jeds plan wasnt it? :D

Yep. That and the TE bar. Roar.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 15:05:58
Yep. That and the TE bar. Roar.

Get pissed and fleece the club for all it's worth.

Sounds about right.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 21:25:39
Daniel Jones (Chesterfield) for his total over-reaction to a challenge, which got a Sheff Utd player sent off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, October 5, 2014, 16:09:19
It was hilarious wasn't it? I watched it and thought "what a twat".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, October 5, 2014, 16:31:13
It was hilarious wasn't it? I watched it and thought "what a twat".

...but not as funny as the Orient players over-reaction to the ludicrous 'back-pass/offside' decision yesterday.  I hope it was caught on film somewhere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, October 8, 2014, 14:09:55
This old chestnut is popping its head up again. Unsurprisingly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29532996


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, October 8, 2014, 14:18:41
Ha ha, and they used the Man u real madrid attendance as an example to set a benchmark.  Well Good luck to them ever getting 110k for Stoke V Burnley...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 8, 2014, 15:42:17
Daniel Jones (Chesterfield) for his total over-reaction to a challenge, which got a Sheff Utd player sent off.

I had to look it up to see what you were on about. Hilarious effort. Flappy The Salmon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, October 12, 2014, 22:01:08
Rushden & Diamonds' old ground Nene Park is due to be demolished and turned into a 'Leisure Park'.

Wonder if this stand is flat-pack? A decent replacement for the Town End (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/View_of_np.JPG)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, October 12, 2014, 22:16:09
Good shout....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Munichred on Monday, October 13, 2014, 00:54:34
I had to look it up to see what you were on about. Hilarious effort. Flappy The Salmon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA)

That tackle was so late it wasn't even in the same 45 minutes!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, October 13, 2014, 08:09:33
That reaction is brilliant.

Wasn't Daniel Jones that one that punched Doug Loft in the face at training when they were both at Vale??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, October 13, 2014, 08:40:20
I believe so.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 21:32:21
Uefa confirm that the match between Serbia and Albania "has been abandoned due to a disturbance on the pitch".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oorNBA7yFkE


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 21:58:31
Uefa confirm that the match between Serbia and Albania "has been abandoned due to a disturbance on the pitch".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oorNBA7yFkE

You do wonder when UEFA are going to ban Serbia.

It was only a few years ago that a game in Italy was abandoned due to rioting, and there was at incident in the Under 21 game against England with racist chanting and Serbian players banned for racist behaviour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 22:02:21
A better view of things here - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9517433/european-qualifiers-brawl-at-serbia-v-albania-match-after-drone-cam-stops-play

I'm sure it will be a fine and a 2 games behind closed doors or something as per usual.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 22:30:14
Yeah, if fucking Spain can't draw Gibraltar because of some economic disputes, drawing those two against each other when they absolutely loathe each other really doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 23:45:18
Yeah, if fucking Spain can't draw Gibraltar because of some economic disputes, drawing those two against each other when they absolutely loathe each other really doesn't make sense.

Did that actually happen?? If so that is ridiculous. Once teams are seeded that should be it, can't be separated by a dislike for each other.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 06:43:15
You do wonder when UEFA are going to ban Serbia.

It was only a few years ago that a game in Italy was abandoned due to rioting, and there was at incident in the Under 21 game against England with racist chanting and Serbian players banned for racist behaviour.

I think the drone that was flying the flag was Albanian, and being controlled by the Albanian PM's brother.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 06:57:09
Although, saying that I hadn't seen this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDs5mwNRY7U



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 08:35:44
Fuck me, hadn't seen that video. Awful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 08:59:28
Bit lively!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 09:32:04
Bit lively!

Handbags....poor mascot  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 09:50:35
I think it illustrates that patio furniture has no place in a football ground.

Good to see the traditional football 'hooligan' is still alive and well, 'I will run on the pitch, look hard gesture and shove a bit - but all the time know that I will never get near anyone so don't have to do anything - just look hard.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 10:10:07
If I remember, McMahon used to drone on a bit.

Wish I'd thought of chucking a recliner at him


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 13:40:52
The farce is that Serbia will probably get about the same fine as we do for those handbags at Orient.

Our very own Martin Atkinson looks like he earnt his money last night anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 14:19:59
The farce is that Serbia will probably get about the same fine as we do for those handbags at Orient.

Our very own Martin Atkinson looks like he earnt his money last night anyway.

I can't imagine that was a plum job for him!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 14:26:19
I can't imagine that was a plum job for him!

Nah can't imagine he was particularly looking forward to it. At least he wasn't disappointed though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 15:01:04
I can't imagine that was a plum job for him!

Serbian plums, usually end up in something like this...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Kazancauldronsljiveplumsrakija.jpg/200px-Kazancauldronsljiveplumsrakija.jpg)

to make Slivovitz, or as its known in other Balkan countries...rakia, probably explains why they're all a bit bonkers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 15:22:26
Where's coca fola / empathy sloth these days?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Friday, October 24, 2014, 16:24:32
Gilingham & Chairman Paul Scally charged by the FA in relation to the Sacking of Mark McCammon in relation to racism

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29760962


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, October 24, 2014, 20:35:13
Gilingham & Chairman Paul Scally

You were right with just this bit.

He wanted to cast adrift the rest of the Football League when his team were in the Championship (for their one season).

Bit like that twat Gartside at Bolton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, October 24, 2014, 21:16:49
And the Yeovil fuckwit last season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 21:11:24
http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/29588438

Who is Rolando Aarons? That is the question most Manchester City fans will be asking themselves right now. Newcastle's latest wonderkid, according to those in the know. Eighteen-year-old Aarons has been likened to England star Raheem Sterling - not least because he was born in Jamaica before moving to these shores as a youngster, just like the Liverpool player. Pacy forward Aarons grew up in Bristol and was released by local club Bristol City before joining Newcastle

 :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 21:31:19
The Bristol City Academy has been a wonderful success..........

(http://img.pandawhale.com/54838-Waynes-World-Excellent-gif-1Hbv.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, November 12, 2014, 22:29:23
Two words....Cover up...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30031405


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 08:44:38
Two words....Cover up...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30031405

Spot the oxymoron! "FIFA's independent ethics adjudicator" hahahahaha


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 10:23:26
Oh come on, it's hilarious

"Qatar definitely didn't bribe anyone, but England did, take that English press!"

If we were the only people dishing out bribes then we're even more incompetent than first thought- we only got two votes and one of those was our own!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ExiledEric on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 10:43:35
..  And we'll probably be chucked out of the next World Cup as a punishment... :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FatSmurf on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 12:07:07
Thank fuck!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 13:34:28
In hilarious news, the chief investigator has appealed against the published summary as being unrepresentative.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 13:34:48
I see the lawyer that did the full report is now saying the mini-report that was done by FIFA 'contains numerous materially incomplete and erroneous representations of the fact and conclusions.'

FIFA just get's worse !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 13:38:05
I see the lawyer that did the full report is now saying the mini-report that was done by FIFA 'contains numerous materially incomplete and erroneous representations of the fact and conclusions.'

FIFA just get's worse !!

Apparently the main report is notably more critical of Blatter. Can't believe that got cut!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 13:50:02
Is it available online anywhere?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 13:50:58
Is it available online anywhere?


The story is just breaking...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30037729


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 14:08:31
Think he meant the report?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 14:25:01
FIFA are beyond a joke. Surely someone needs to step in and sort this out now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 14:33:04
FIFA are beyond a joke. Surely someone needs to step in and sort this out now?

It's already happening, quietly- the FBI have an open case on FIFA through Chuck Blazer. The Americans are well placed to investigate as most FIFA sponsors are American companies but they have relatively little to lose in terms of their actual team - our FA (quite apart from the fact that they're all useless) are hamstrung by the Wembley debt so can't risk being kicked out of international football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 21:44:22
This bit's hilarious:

Quote
The report noted that the Russian bid team made "only a limited amount of documents available for review".
According to the report, the Russian team hired computers that were subsequently destroyed, denying the inquiry access to email accounts.
"We were always confident that there could be nothing which would come out from this investigation," said Alexey Sorokin, the head of Russia's 2018 World Cup organising committee.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 22:03:44
FIFA are beyond a joke. Surely someone needs to step in and sort this out now?

Why necessarily does it need to be someone else? The reason FIFA get away with this bollocks is because football fans will put up with anything. Without fans, the World Cup is nothing. Perhaps it's time for a boycott - 100s dying just to simply to build the infrastructure is a good as reason (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/qatar-world-cup-india-migrant-worker-deaths) as any.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 22:05:09
Not only that but the lawyer was banned from entering Russia. The whole thing is a farce.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 22:31:01
It's already happening, quietly- the FBI have an open case on FIFA through Chuck Blazer.

Not only that but Garcia's wife is a FBI agent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 22:51:17
They've been getting away with it for so long that they probably think they're untouchable. I also suspect that Blatter couldn't give a shit anyway as he is so fucking old.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 23:13:30
They've been getting away with it for so long that they've probably think they're untouchable. I also suspect that Blatter couldn't give a shit anyway as he is so fucking old.

Fully agree Flash. It's been going on for 40 years ever since Havelange stole money from the Brazilian Olympic Committee to 'fund' his election to FIFA President.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, November 14, 2014, 00:00:46
Why necessarily does it need to be someone else? The reason FIFA get away with this bollocks is because football fans will put up with anything. Without fans, the World Cup is nothing. Perhaps it's time for a boycott - 100s dying just to simply to build the infrastructure is a good as reason (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/qatar-world-cup-india-migrant-worker-deaths) as any.

I've given this some thought. I reckon fans could do it by threatening the main FIFA/World Cup sponsors. Either Blatter goes or we boycott all of the sponsors still associating themselves with them. Provided you got enough fans on board it would work. He'd be gone once the sponsors thought there was a genuine threat.

I did think about putting a web page up and some stuff on Facebook, Twitter and all that to try and get the ball rolling. But I can't be arsed. Maybe one for the TEF Pressure Group. Or whatever it was called.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, November 14, 2014, 10:59:12
Quote
Asked if the FA had damaged the image of football's world governing body, Dyke said: "I think it's quite hard to damage the image of Fifa."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, November 14, 2014, 11:03:12
Indeed.

It's like being accused by Jeremy Clarkson of being a cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 14, 2014, 11:12:35
Bury's new owner's company borrows £450k from a company called Cash4Assets, secured against the club's ground (even though the loan is not for the club but his private company), then rolls it up to a £1m loan, at 138% pa interest, still secured on the ground. Wow. That makes Bournemouth's 6 or 7% or whatever it was look like Bank of Mum and Dad.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2014/nov/12/bury-high-interest-loans-shadow-recovery


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, November 14, 2014, 11:19:03
I've given this some thought. I reckon fans could do it by threatening the main FIFA/World Cup sponsors. Either Blatter goes or we boycott all of the sponsors still associating themselves with them. Provided you got enough fans on board it would work. He'd be gone once the sponsors thought there was a genuine threat.

I did think about putting a web page up and some stuff on Facebook, Twitter and all that to try and get the ball rolling. But I can't be arsed. Maybe one for the TEF Pressure Group. Or whatever it was called.

People boycotting Coca Cola and McDonalds? Yeah, good luck with that one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 14, 2014, 13:33:28
I've given this some thought. I reckon fans could do it by threatening the main FIFA/World Cup sponsors. Either Blatter goes or we boycott all of the sponsors still associating themselves with them. Provided you got enough fans on board it would work. He'd be gone once the sponsors thought there was a genuine threat.

I did think about putting a web page up and some stuff on Facebook, Twitter and all that to try and get the ball rolling. But I can't be arsed. Maybe one for the TEF Pressure Group. Or whatever it was called.

Very difficult to co-ordinate even in this cyber age, but if it could be got up and running, then the FIFA sponsors would act rapidly.

Reminds me of the anti-apartheid campaign, to boycott Barclays Bank in the 70's.....Barclays invested heavily in Saffaland, and there was a campaign to get people, mostly students, to switch accounts and generally do what they could by legal means to flag up Barclays involvement.

Barclays, share of the domestic market dropped, and by the 80's they'd pulled out of SA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, November 14, 2014, 13:42:30
People boycotting Coca Cola and McDonalds? Yeah, good luck with that one.

Not really about whether people actually boycott their products or not. You just need enough people saying they will to get the ball rolling and then the damage will be done. The press will cover it, negative publicity, share prices could drop and at the end of the day the companies just wouldn't want to take the risk.

They wouldn't terminate their sponsorship deals but they'd make a few phone calls and he'd be gone. Pretty sure they've stepped in a couple of times before and things have happened, Suarez at the World Cup for example. They're the only people FIFA and UEFA listen to.

Very difficult to co-ordinate even in this cyber age, but if it could be got up and running, then the FIFA sponsors would act rapidly.

It would be simple to get up and running, a website and some Facebook, Twitter pages/accounts. The issue would be getting people to register their support, would require a lot of people pushing it on forums, social networking and so on. Then it's just whether it gains critical mass or not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 14, 2014, 15:30:47
Might be worth suggesting it to someone like the Football Supporters Federation, jonny? http://www.fsf.org.uk/ More chance of gaining critical mass going via an established network than the TEF pressure group :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, November 14, 2014, 16:05:54
@football_league: BREAKING: Final round of @SkyBetLeague1 matches this season will be played at 12.15pm on Sunday 3rd May >> http://t.co/DM18Z4660J #KeyDates

Cunts

Everyone likes to get lashed up last game of the season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 14, 2014, 16:19:14
@football_league: BREAKING: Final round of @SkyBetLeague1 matches this season will be played at 12.15pm on Sunday 3rd May >> http://t.co/DM18Z4660J #KeyDates

Cunts

Everyone likes to get lashed up last game of the season
Well, you'll just have to book her for earlier in the day
(http://makeabigdifference.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/miss-whiplash-225x300.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, November 14, 2014, 22:18:08
@football_league: BREAKING: Final round of @SkyBetLeague1 matches this season will be played at 12.15pm on Sunday 3rd May >> http://t.co/DM18Z4660J #KeyDates

I hate early kick-offs...let alone on a Sunday


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, November 14, 2014, 22:29:41
Might be worth suggesting it to someone like the Football Supporters Federation, jonny? http://www.fsf.org.uk/ More chance of gaining critical mass going via an established network than the TEF pressure group :)

I'd refer you to my previous "can't be arsed" comment.

Though now is the time for it - plenty of stories in the media about FIFA sponsors not being happy with what is going on, Emirates withdrawing it's sponsorship (though that is probably for other reasons) and Sony considering it. They just need a bit of a push and it would be game over for Blatter.

Still think it is one for the TEF Pressure Group, a slightly more worthy cause than "goldfish bowl of the month" and on a par with "vote for my mate's slightly pornographic photo's".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, November 14, 2014, 23:02:13
FIFA propaganda at it's best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHYOx8cv90#t=58


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 14, 2014, 23:16:14
I'd refer you to my previous "can't be arsed" comment.

Though now is the time for it - plenty of stories in the media about FIFA sponsors not being happy with what is going on, Emirates withdrawing it's sponsorship (though that is probably for other reasons) and Sony considering it. They just need a bit of a push and it would be game over for Blatter.

Still think it is one for the TEF Pressure Group, a slightly more worthy cause than "goldfish bowl of the month" and on a par with "vote for my mate's slightly pornographic photo's".
Think they might need a bit more of a push than 40-odd Swindon fans. And if you can't be arsed, why should we?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, November 15, 2014, 00:00:18
Think they might need a bit more of a push than 40-odd Swindon fans. And if you can't be arsed, why should we?

Apart from the can't be arsed angle, I don't believe getting rid of Blatter will actually change anything. His position will be filled by someone in the same vein as there just isn't anyone near the top of world football capable of what is needed. I don't see Platini as being any better and don't even get me started on Greg Dyke.

It's a fucking mess. Think Lineker hit the nail on the head saying we need to rip it up and start again.

Maybe we need to start a campaign for Lineker to get the job?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, November 15, 2014, 12:46:13
Apart from the can't be arsed angle, I don't believe getting rid of Blatter will actually change anything. His position will be filled by someone in the same vein as there just isn't anyone near the top of world football capable of what is needed. I don't see Platini as being any better and don't even get me started on Greg Dyke.

It's a fucking mess. Think Lineker hit the nail on the head saying we need to rip it up and start again.

Maybe we need to start a campaign for Lineker to get the job?

I would agree with Lineker, FIFA is probably unredeemable. It needs destroying and starting again. The European Football Associations have the power to destroy FIFA by resigning en masse. Fat chance of that though as it currently stands.

The World Cup clearly shouldn't take place in Qatar for obviously reasons which have been well-rehearsed. So we can express our objections by hitting where it hurts - money. Boycott the tournament and 'empty seat' the stadiums, they never like that (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/9437316/London-2012-Olympics-fiasco-of-the-12000-empty-seats.html), and as noted earlier on here target sponsors which has been an effective weapon in the past. They're already getting cold feet over Qatar

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/08/sport/football/world-cup-qatar-sony-fifa/

On not an entirely unrelated note, the Telegraph had this recently regarding protests over Ched Evans

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/sheffield-united/11226544/It-is-right-to-protest-to-Sheffield-United-sponsors-over-Ched-Evans-they-are-the-only-ones-likely-to-act.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, November 16, 2014, 18:31:51
The European Football Associations have the power to destroy FIFA by resigning en masse. Fat chance of that though as it currently stands.

Chairman of the DFL ( German FL ) hints at Eufa breaking away from FIFA

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/german-football-boss-reinhard-rauball-says-uefa-may-leave-fifa-20141115-11nldd.html

Quote
"Two things must happen," he said. "Not only publishing the ethics commission decision but also the appeal by Mr Garcia so it is clear what is being accused and how it was evaluated."

"Also what was not taken into account and if it was correct to leave those things out," he said.

Rauball, who has been critical in the past of FIFA's decision to award the World Cup to Qatar, said if that did not happen then questions would be asked about whether FIFA was the right body to lead football.

"If that does not happen and this crisis is not solved credibly then one has to think about the question whether one is still in good hands at FIFA," he said.

"One option that would be seriously considered is for UEFA (European nations) to break away from FIFA."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 17, 2014, 12:19:17
Chairman of the DFL ( German FL ) hints at Eufa breaking away from FIFA

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/german-football-boss-reinhard-rauball-says-uefa-may-leave-fifa-20141115-11nldd.html


We've now got Bernstein the former FA chief, calling for the FA to try and get a UEFA boycott of 2018 going.

Quote
If I was at the FA now, I would do everything I could to encourage other nations within Uefa – and there are some who would definitely be on side, others maybe not – to take this line. At some stage you have to walk the talk, stop talking and do something.”

What a cunt...why didn't he do something when in charge?  The suits at the FA, are as corrupt as Blatter, Platini etc.  Just not so good at it.....the story of how they tried to court Jack Walker, by arranging work for some relative of his is nausiating in the extreme.

The FA spent about £20 odd mill on the failed 2018 bid, including a tranche of tax payers money.....I wonder where that went?

Many of the politicians pontificating on this are little better....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 17, 2014, 12:22:42
We've now got Bernstein the former FA chief, calling for the FA to try and get a UEFA boycott of 2018 going.

What a cunt...why didn't he do something when in charge?  The suits at the FA, are as corrupt as Blatter, Platini etc.  Just not so good at it.....the story of how they tried to court Jack Walker, by arranging work for some relative of his is nausiating in the extreme.

The FA spent about £20 odd mill on the failed 2018 bid, including a tranche of tax payers money.....I wonder where that went?

Many of the politicians pontificating on this are little better....
Quite so Reg. A mate of mine pointed out that given our game features bungs-a-plenty, convicted fraudsters being allowed to waltz in to ownership of clubs despite the so-called Fit and Proper tests (sorry, Owners and Directors test nowadays), and even dogs with their own bank accounts, we're not in a good position to lecture anyone.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 17, 2014, 12:33:26
Quite so Reg. A mate of mine pointed out that given our game features bungs-a-plenty, convicted fraudsters being allowed to waltz in to ownership of clubs despite the so-called Fit and Proper tests (sorry, Owners and Directors test nowadays), and even dogs with their own bank accounts, we're not in a good position to lecture anyone.

This weekend, we've also had noted sexist Scudamore, saying there'd be no place for someone like Ched Evans working in his operation....presumably he doesn't get the connection?

FIFA's little dig at the FA, is actually as funny as fuck....basically 2 fingers, you're as corrupt as the rest, but can't do it properly, what's more, hypocritical.

The FA will do jack shit, because they're in hock over Wembley....the state of the pitch on Saturday, a fucking disgrace.

Sadly, an opportunity was missed, Wembley should have been flogged off....an NFL franchise can have it if they want...te show should have stayed on the road, and funds put into grassroots.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, November 17, 2014, 16:57:00
Quite so Reg. A mate of mine pointed out that given our game features bungs-a-plenty, convicted fraudsters being allowed to waltz in to ownership of clubs despite the so-called Fit and Proper tests (sorry, Owners and Directors test nowadays), and even dogs with their own bank accounts, we're not in a good position to lecture anyone.

Exactly...which ultimately brings it back to the fans. It's up to us - if we care enough (in numbers)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 09:58:31
FIFA are corrupt to the core as we all know


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 12:22:07
Also the FFP thing is a joke how many teams aka city lose over £10m a year and its allowed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 12:30:59
Personally, I don't have a problem with wealthy owners bankrolling clubs - good luck to them.

All FPP is really about is making sure the elite clubs remain so - Bayern Munich have a stranglehold on the Bundesliga as if a rival looks like being able to compete with them, they just buy their top players - a la Blackburn/Duncan Shearer.

People can bang on about FIFA/Blatter but UEFA/Platini aint much better


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 12:54:54
People can bang on about FIFA/Blatter but UEFA/Platini aint much better

Fully agree.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 16:11:02
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/18/ofcom-premier-league-tv-rights-virgin-media (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/18/ofcom-premier-league-tv-rights-virgin-media)

The next pillar of the English game to fall?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 00:46:33
People can bang on about FIFA/Blatter but UEFA/Platini aint much better

Oh come on, that's just not true. We can all bang on about the football authorities, but Platini isn't in the same league of corruption as Blatter, not even close.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 10:54:48
Oh come on, that's just not true. We can all bang on about the football authorities, but Platini isn't in the same league of corruption as Blatter, not even close.

Can you have a sliding scale of degrees of corruption? In which case at what level is it acceptable?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 11:13:37
Can you have a sliding scale of degrees of corruption? In which case at what level is it acceptable?

Odd question. Of course you can. What degree's acceptable to you? Slipping a council cleaner a note to tidy up your drive?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 11:27:39
Odd question. Of course you can. What degree's acceptable to you? Slipping a council cleaner a note to tidy up your drive?

It's a philosophical question, that has often taxed me. I'm not sure I have an answer....however, in the case of Bladder and Platini, I would say they are as bad as each other.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 11:48:46
It's a philosophical question, that has often taxed me. I'm not sure I have an answer....however, in the case of Bladder and Platini, I would say they are as bad as each other.

Well we'll have to agree to differ on this one. Apart from anything, Platini doesn't command anything like the level of complicit patronage from the European FAs that Blatter does around the globe.

I don't think UEFA, or any other sporting governance body today, is in need of root and branch reform as badly as FIFA. It's happened at the IOC, the UCI, the IAAF. FIFA is the last of the dinosaur oligarchies in sport.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 12:21:08
Well we'll have to agree to differ on this one. Apart from anything, Platini doesn't command anything like the level of complicit patronage from the European FAs that Blatter does around the globe.

I don't think UEFA, or any other sporting governance body today, is in need of root and branch reform as badly as FIFA. It's happened at the IOC, the UCI, the IAAF. FIFA is the last of the dinosaur oligarchies in sport.

Which goes back to my original question....because Platini and UEFA, are swimming in a smaller pool, does that make it OK?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 15:45:56
Which goes back to my original question....because Platini and UEFA, are swimming in a smaller pool, does that make it OK?

I didn't say it was smaller, which wouldn't matter. I say it's less corrupt than FIFA. Much less, with all that we know about European football administrations. I just don't think it helps to tut and say they're all as bad as each other. To fill in the gaps for me, what specifically do you hold against Platini?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 16:18:53
I didn't say it was smaller, which wouldn't matter. I say it's less corrupt than FIFA. Much less, with all that we know about European football administrations. I just don't think it helps to tut and say they're all as bad as each other. To fill in the gaps for me, what specifically do you hold against Platini?

I recall a court case regards UEFA  Ukraine/Poland.....over allegations of corruption, not sure I've ever seen the resolution.

Platini has always been a leading advocate of Qatar....he claims the fact he's been open about it, is because he's nothing to hide.  He says he spent so much time with Bin Hamman (sp) the Qatari fixer, because it was work.

Think he also kept his 16K watch a "gift" from the Brazilian FA....whereas Dyke had to give his back, when the story broke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 16:28:16
I recall a court case regards UEFA  Ukraine/Poland.....over allegations of corruption, not sure I've ever seen the resolution.

Platini has always been a leading advocate of Qatar....he claims the fact he's been open about it, is because he's nothing to hide.  He says he spent so much time with Bin Hamman (sp) the Qatari fixer, because it was work.

Think he also kept his 16K watch a "gift" from the Brazilian FA....whereas Dyke had to give his back, when the story broke.

Don't know about all that, but it really doesn't sound like it's anywhere close to the Blatter league of dedication to self-interest and self-enrichment. That fucker really needs to swing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 18:39:10
what specifically do you hold against Platini?

He's French.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 19:52:58
Platini has always been a leading advocate of Qatar....he claims the fact he's been open about it, is because he's nothing to hide.  He says he spent so much time with Bin Hamman (sp) the Qatari fixer, because it was work.

He also backed the Qatari takeover of PSG...Of course, his son is high up in the organisation had nothing to do with it !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, December 1, 2014, 13:34:33
Cellino disqualified by Football League - suspect this is just the start of a long series of legal actions. But a step in the right direction, nonetheless, if they can make it stick. Although technically being disbarred hasn't made much difference to Agombar at Hereford

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30276764


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 1, 2014, 18:48:33
Cellino disqualified by Football League - suspect this is just the start of a long series of legal actions. But a step in the right direction, nonetheless, if they can make it stick. Although technically being disbarred hasn't made much difference to Agombar at Hereford

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30276764

Didn't the FL, try to stop Cellino at the outset, but were overruled by the courts here? 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, December 1, 2014, 19:58:22
Didn't the FL, try to stop Cellino at the outset, but were overruled by the courts here? 
No, they were overruled by their own appeals process. But now they've overruled the overruling and we can see the full force of the power of the FL - a four month ban. Which won't be effective in stopping him running the club even if he does pay lip service to it for the four months anyone is pretending it will be in place. No wonder no-one takes them seriously


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 1, 2014, 20:05:00
No, they were overruled by their own appeals process. But now they've overruled the overruling and we can see the full force of the power of the FL - a four month ban. Which won't be effective in stopping him running the club even if he does pay lip service to it for the four months anyone is pretending it will be in place. No wonder no-one takes them seriously

Clearly only a matter of time before, probably the FA, overrule the overruling and give a job to one of Cellino's relos, and throw  a 35K dinner in his honour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, December 1, 2014, 21:52:30
Clearly only a matter of time before, probably the FA, overrule the overruling and give a job to one of Cellino's relos, and throw  a 35K dinner in his honour.
Maybe some nice watches and the odd handbag or two as well?


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 5, 2014, 20:53:51
Not really wrong with football generally but there is a hell of a kit clash in this cup game on BBC 2 this evening


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, December 5, 2014, 21:12:30
Not really wrong with football generally but there is a hell of a kit clash in this cup game on BBC 2 this evening
Agreed - that's a really bad clash (although I always thin that 'clash' is a strange choice of word  - it should be colour 'match' rather than 'clash')

It is bizarre when on the other hand (and this is another 'what's wrong with football' IMO) teams wear their away kit for no reason whatsoever other than to sell more replica kits. Case in point being when Everton played at Spurs the other day and wore all black.  If I'm watching Spurs v Everton, I want to see a team in white/dark blue/white v a team in blue/white/blue.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 5, 2014, 21:34:11
Bit sad as well that for what is a sort of derby there are a lot of empty seats.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, December 5, 2014, 22:04:44
Relevant to the game and this thread: Marlon Harewood is still a personal footballer.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 5, 2014, 22:06:30
Relevant to the game and this thread: Marlon Harewood is still a personal footballer.
A personal footballer?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, December 5, 2014, 23:30:20
Bit sad as well that for what is a sort of derby there are a lot of empty seats.
Good turn out from Blythe though. I can't really blame the Monkey Hangers for not being arsed, given their current role in L2 of Dead Man Walking.

Edit: Only just saw that Blythe won, thus justifying the decision of those who could not give the afore mentioned arse. That's one of those 'shocks' which really isn't a shock at all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, December 6, 2014, 00:01:06
Good turn out from Blythe though. I can't really blame the Monkey Hangers for not being arsed, given their current role in L2 of Dead Man Walking.

Edit: Only just saw that Blythe won, thus justifying the decision of those who could not give the afore mentioned arse. That's one of those 'shocks' which really isn't a shock at all.

I didn't know they were bottom until I read this, does explain a lot.

The strange thing is before the game they were saying that Hartlepool are always good in the first half and bugger up the second and they did exactly that tonight...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Saturday, December 6, 2014, 01:20:51
2 lovely goals from Blyth though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, December 6, 2014, 09:05:14
A personal footballer?

Oops. Autocorrect.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hoboken on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 08:21:14
I despair at all the shirt-pulling and ridiculous celebrations that takes place during games these days. The real issue is that I'm not talking about men's games...this is all during my son's under-8s Football In The Community Saturday morning sessions. And the coaches say nothing...depressing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 14:58:33
I despair at all the shirt-pulling and ridiculous celebrations that takes place during games these days. The real issue is that I'm not talking about men's games...this is all during my son's under-8s Football In The Community Saturday morning sessions. And the coaches say nothing...depressing.

Just to balance this up, been watching my nephew in u10 games recently. No shirt pulling, no celebrations, parents from both sides clapping goals, if there is a foul they have to shake hands, and you can tell they all love playing. One thing Iv seen as well which is really good, when it's a goal kick the opposition have to stay in their own half which encourages players to pass it out on the floor instead of a big hoof. A penalty shoot out after each match as well, if this happened at every level we could win international tournaments!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 19:37:53
I despair at all the shirt-pulling and ridiculous celebrations that takes place during games these days. The real issue is that I'm not talking about men's games...this is all during my son's under-8s Football In The Community Saturday morning sessions. And the coaches say nothing...depressing.
Shirt-pulling fair enough, see your point and agree, but do you really want coaches intervening to stop kids celebrating goals?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 19:53:15
Red card for Konchesky today. Don't think the ref knew what he gave it for


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 21:38:28
Red card for Konchesky today. Don't think the ref knew what he gave it for

Because he's a cunt?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 21:39:56
Because he's a cunt?

The ref or Konchesky?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 21:48:07
The ref or Konchesky?

I meant Konchesky, but the Ref probably qualifies too :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 14:43:30
Oh dear. Hereford suspended from all football activity. Got to feel for the fans.

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2014/dec/hereford-united-alan-mccarthy-suspended-all-football-activity


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 15:02:15
I believe quite a lot of the fans will welcome that, they just want the ground back to start again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, December 11, 2014, 14:26:43
Oh dear. Hereford suspended from all football activity. Got to feel for the fans.

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2014/dec/hereford-united-alan-mccarthy-suspended-all-football-activity

Nope I dont think the death of the club can come soon enough for them so they can rise with a phoenix club rid of the shysters run by people who care


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, December 11, 2014, 20:35:04
Oh dear. Hereford suspended from all football activity. Got to feel for the fans.

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2014/dec/hereford-united-alan-mccarthy-suspended-all-football-activity
Lifted by FA apparently!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, December 11, 2014, 21:55:20
Europa League being littered with Champions League dropouts. Totaly undermines an already shit tournament.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, December 12, 2014, 00:23:26
Europa League full stop. What's the point of it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, December 12, 2014, 01:31:26
Europa League full stop. What's the point of it?

£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, December 12, 2014, 08:01:41
Europa League being littered with Champions League dropouts. Totaly undermines an already shit tournament.

Agreed although most of those teams should have been in it in the first place. Champions League should be champions only afterall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, December 12, 2014, 10:02:00
Europa League full stop. What's the point of it?

I think it's only in this country we treat it with such distain.

It's a big deal for clubs outside of the traditional 3 or 4 powerhouse leagues in Europe who have no chance of doing anything in the CL


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 12, 2014, 10:35:17
I liked the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, December 12, 2014, 10:40:09
Inter toto was better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 12, 2014, 14:08:36
Inter toto was better.
Ah yes, UEFA's answer to the JPT. Whatever happened to the InterToto?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 12, 2014, 14:25:27
Spurs' approach to the Intertoto was great. Played games at the old Goldstone Ground (I think) and fielding a mixture of youth/fringe (Kevin Watson) players and loanees (Alan Pardew and David 'Budgie' Byrne).

They got punished.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, December 12, 2014, 15:00:46
Inter City Fairs Cup was the first I remember.

And disbelieving the score Ajax 5 Liverpool 0

WTF - a football club named after some cleaning product!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, December 12, 2014, 15:24:49
Why can't we have a lower league equivalent? Use some of the ridiculous funds made from the CL to spread the spirit of international co-operation and promote inter-european goodwill and so on and so forth.

Might make the little guys a bit of money too.

Oh wait, scratch that idea then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 11:18:58
Because 90% of the teams at our level couldn't afford it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 13:23:37
Why can't we have a lower league equivalent? Use some of the ridiculous funds made from the CL to spread the spirit of international co-operation and promote inter-european goodwill and so on and so forth.

Might make the little guys a bit of money too.

Oh wait, scratch that idea then.


This kind of happens with the Europa league, insofar as the early rounds start more or less as soon as the WC ends, and feature games from small UEFA members Wales, RoI, Luxembourg, etc.

If say, Aberystwyth Town qualify, and get drawn away to an Icelandic team, then I believe there is financial help from UEFA available for costs.

Of course it doesn't do much for lower league clubs in the bigger UEFA members, but the lack of interest in the Anglo-Italian cup when it was tried again in the 90's suggests, it would struggle.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 13:40:12
Ever since the fuckers wouldn't allow us into Europe after besting Arsenal in '69 they can all fuck off!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 15:02:13
Because 90% of the teams at our level couldn't afford it

Hence why I said use some of the money from the CL to pay for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 15:59:22
I'm not entirely sure that relatively meaningless games against Avranches (2nd in French ligue 3), or Cremonese (Italian Serie C) would draw crowds to the CG, or TV money to the lower leagues, or justify adding to a packed schedule.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 17:24:11
I'm not entirely sure that relatively meaningless games against Avranches (2nd in French ligue 3), or Cremonese (Italian Serie C) would draw crowds to the CG, or TV money to the lower leagues, or justify adding to a packed schedule.

I wasn't being entirely serious, but that sentiment is pretty much the reason I have interest whatsoever in the CL or Europa.

What is the point of it?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 17:16:35
Not sure whether this is wrong or right, but she doesn't look like the normal problem supporter!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-30505809


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 17:42:46
Not sure whether this is wrong or right, but she doesn't look like the normal problem supporter!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-30505809
I'd quite like to know what was in the background of the picture they appear to have got the junior intern to photoshop her photo out of! Looks like they've cut and paste her head onto someone else's shoulders.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 18:18:03
Sky doing a poll on who will win the Bournemouth game tonight.

Fuck off


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 18:25:06
I'll go for Mansfield


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 19:19:27
Sky doing a poll on who will win the Bournemouth game tonight.

Fuck off

Indeed.  I really really hope they dont win.  The fucking circle jerk that will go on in the media if muff win will drown the majority of the country in jizz.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 19:47:02
The fucking circle jerk that will go on in the media if muff win will drown the majority of the country in jizz.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a line from 'The Taming of the Shrew'?

(http://www.shakespearesengland.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/weptile-image-slider-widget/cache/shakespeare-pic-300x288-resized-267x275.jpg)

 :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 20:34:50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30509896

Quote
"I didn't want to use the word massive for finances but it is for a club like us," said Johnson, who managed Yeovil in their non-league days.
"You can't sell a player for a quarter of a million, or half a million, so you have to get it in other ways.

Err, yes you can.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 20:46:20
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30509896

Err, yes you can.
Not if you buy the sort of players Johnson does, you can't :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 20:50:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30509896

Err, yes you can.
What he means is that Yeovil can't sell a player worth that amount because their players are nowhere near the value of ours.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 29, 2014, 11:23:35
The new Crystal Palace manger being 8th favourite in the sack race.

Just goes to show how ephemeral being an employed football manager is these days, unless you are brilliant ( Fergie ) or have a weak board (Wenger) that is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Friday, January 2, 2015, 15:42:38
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/37358/the-pace-of-change--preview

This made me laugh, quite a good summary of the premiership...

Quote
I also, as you may have noticed, don’t have a lot of time for the modern day Premier League. I like QPR being in it, because it’s eight fewer fixtures for me to write about, and seeing QPR front up Manchester City as they did in November is preferable to anything I saw in the Championship last season apart from Bobby Zamora’s goal and that Wigan semi-final. But the money, the wild kick off times, the ticket prices, the lack of competitiveness, the fact that a draw away from home is always a good result, the fact we never get a draw away from home, the fact that 14 of the 20 teams exist solely to stay in the division on nothing more, the fact that they all exit the cups early in order to achieve that…. Sigh.

Perhaps it’s just those fucking Thierry Henry adverts that are getting me down. “It’s impossible to talk about my career without talking about Sky, because it’s where I performed.” No, Thierry, you performed on the grass football pitch in front of the football supporters who paid their ticket money to go and watch you. “He’s going to add so much to what we’re doing here.” Really Jamie Redknapp? What are you doing here? Talking bland bollocks for the bits of time when there’s neither football nor adverts on?

I don’t know what’s more annoying... The festering turd of Aston Villa v Leicedster being shined up as a “Super Sunday” - about as Super as the Sunday I accidentally reversed over the neighbour’s pure bred cat - or the latest in a long line of Liverpool v Chelsea fixtures being billed as some sort of inter-galactic war to end all wars and bring peace to the universe. The deliberately bland interviews of Nigel Pearson and Paul Lambert, designed specifically to create no attention or coverage whatsoever, or the snide rudeness of Brendan Rodgers and Jose Mourinho being exploded for days, billed as some sort of terribly interesting “war of wards” that we’re all meant to follow and hang on and talk about at work and on the tube and in our sleep. “Oh Jose, have you seen what he’s said now? Have you? Have you though? He’s a card isn’t he, old Jose. Cor. Jose. Eh? Did you hear what he said? Did you? Jose.”

I hate the way the transfer window is billed as the most important thing, more important than the games themselves in fact, and yet it’s approached with such slapdash reporting standards - because it’s only football at the end of the day - that newspapers and television stations send out information they know to be false, often peddled by a single source trying to get his client a move. And I hate the way people lap it up... “Oooooh Saido Berahino’s going to Liverpool” you may say to me, if you wanted me to rip out your throat and show it to you. No he’s not, Saido Berahino’s agent is pitching for a better contract is what’s happening you fucking mouth breathing melt.

So, anyway, Chelsea are playing Spurs, which is all any of the bloody stay-at-home, non-attending, lard-arse, new-age football “fans” of this country give a shiny shite about this weekend. There are other games taking place, Louis Van Gaal v Mark Hughes for example if they can fit their bloody egos in the same ground at the same time, but frankly if you’re that desperate to know who’s playing who you won’t be looking for it here and I’d like to step away from my desk now so there it is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, January 2, 2015, 16:03:57
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/37358/the-pace-of-change--preview

This made me laugh, quite a good summary of the premiership...

Love it  :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, January 2, 2015, 23:31:37
Cardiff getting 4200 at home tonight.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 2, 2015, 23:51:50
Cardiff getting 4200 at home tonight.
Was there a protest over changing the clubs colours? Saw the end of a news report where it was mentioned again recently...


Seems it may have been + on TV live...

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-fans-explain-reasons-8376602


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 01:17:11
The way people are talking about Gerrard, you'd think he'd died.
Superb player yes, but he's not 6 feet under, he's not even retired, he's only moving clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 02:31:20
Cardiff getting 4200 at home tonight.

Go back 15/16 years and that would have been just about Cardiff's biggest crowd of the season....a derby v Swansea getting a couple of hundred more.  Not a nice club, hopefully back to Div 4, or better still LoW asap.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: manc_red on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 13:03:08
Was there a protest over changing the clubs colours? Saw the end of a news report where it was mentioned again recently...


The thing is most of them never seemed to mind when they were in the Premier League; it's only now they're heading down the shitter that the protests are growing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 13:52:15
Most of their fans are new to the game, as Reg points out they used to get 2k away and about 4k at home not so long ago (the 2k were more there for a good fight away).  So I suppose a change in kit and all the other shenanigans don't really annoy them too much and when in the Prem they were in the majority.  Now they start to slip again, the vocal originals start to be heard a little more.  The downside to rapid attendance growth I suppose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 14:28:56
The thing is most of them never seemed to mind when they were in the Premier League; it's only now they're heading down the shitter that the protests are growing.
That's simply not true. There were plenty of very vocal protests/marches when they were in the PL. This is the first time they've tried a boycott though AFAIK. And it would seem, very effectively.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: manc_red on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 14:49:47
That's simply not true. There were plenty of very vocal protests/marches when they were in the PL. This is the first time they've tried a boycott though AFAIK. And it would seem, very effectively.

It might have been a bit of a generalisation - and of course there were certainly protests in the first season they changed -  but there is no doubt that the protests have been gaining momentum lately and there is a correlation between that and their league position. I know quite a few Cardiff fans who now boycott, apparently because of the kit, who didn't in the PL season.

The South Wales Echo was neutral initially but has recently joined the campaign against - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/south-wales-echo-cardiff-city-7093125

See also - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-citys-only-pro-red-online-7132885


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: hobnob on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 15:00:37
The way people are talking about Gerrard, you'd think he'd died.
Superb player yes, but he's not 6 feet under, he's not even retired, he's only moving clubs.

Spot on!


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 15:18:10
Clear lack of ambition staying with Liverpool for so long anyway.


:)


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 11:27:32
The BBC taking the FA cup so seriously that they couldn't be arsed to send a commentator to the Derby games and instead doing something strange with what was obviously radio commentary over the highlights.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 15:07:36
The BBC taking the FA cup so seriously that they couldn't be arsed to send a commentator to the Derby games and instead doing something strange with what was obviously radio commentary over the highlights.
I  noticed that too. In fairness, he was a BBC radio commentator - I had 5 live on and off yesterday afternoon alternating with WS and they did keep going to him at Derby - but still a bit tinpot that they apparently forgot to record it separately?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 15:07:47
Oldham. Again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 16:17:34
BT Sport suggesting that Swansea knocking Man Utd out of the cup last year is some sort of giant killing!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 16:29:34
They just showed some cunt in the home end with a Man Utd shirt and a half n' half scarf on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 16:52:58
media patronising small clubs during the fa cup.Dover Palace commentary was excruciating.They are full time pros for fuck's sake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 16:56:53
The BBC's desperation for an upset is painful.  The guy screaming and shouting about little sheffield United giant killing against QPR was pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 17:37:26
The BBC's desperation for an upset is painful.  The guy screaming and shouting about little sheffield United giant killing against QPR was pathetic.

Good job Wrexham have just gone 1-0 up at stoke


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 17:41:55
Fuck sake


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 5, 2015, 13:21:11
Not sure it's "wrong" more bizarre. I'm all for fund raising initiatives but this one is slightly insane:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-30680502

Quote
Accrington Stanley fans are being asked to spend £20 on souvenir tickets for a game which will never happen.

The League Two side blew their chance of hosting Manchester United in the third round of the FA Cup by losing to Yeovil in their second-round replay.

Undeterred by missing out on a lucrative tie against United, Stanley have still produced 250 tickets.

Chairman Peter Marsden said the money would go towards "strengthening the squad" for the rest of the season.

The limited-edition tickets are being marketed as marking the club's FA Cup run.
...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 14:08:20
Blackpool chairman to sue fan for posting infomation about him on the web

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30709703


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 14:25:57
FA Cup 3rd round matches on a Tuesday night! WTF!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 9, 2015, 16:54:20
It might have been a bit of a generalisation - and of course there were certainly protests in the first season they changed -  but there is no doubt that the protests have been gaining momentum lately and there is a correlation between that and their league position. I know quite a few Cardiff fans who now boycott, apparently because of the kit, who didn't in the PL season.

The South Wales Echo was neutral initially but has recently joined the campaign against - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/south-wales-echo-cardiff-city-7093125

See also - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-citys-only-pro-red-online-7132885
The boycott seems to have been extremely effective - blue shirts coming back immediately:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30741073


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 9, 2015, 16:59:53
The boycott seems to have been extremely effective - blue shirts coming back immediately:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30741073

Apparently because he got a bollocking off his mother?

"The Christmas and New Year period has given me time to reflect on events of the last year. Spending time with my family has had a profound effect upon me, my mother... spoke to me on the importance of togetherness, unity and happiness. Cardiff City Football Club is important to me and I wish to see it united and happy."



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 9, 2015, 17:42:52
Apparently because he got a bollocking off his mother?

"The Christmas and New Year period has given me time to reflect on events of the last year. Spending time with my family has had a profound effect upon me, my mother... spoke to me on the importance of togetherness, unity and happiness. Cardiff City Football Club is important to me and I wish to see it united and happy."
Yeah, sure. Chinny.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, January 12, 2015, 19:29:42
David Luiz getting in the FIFA World Team of the Year... as a defender.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 12, 2015, 19:38:34
He's not even the best player in his position of his nationality at his club!


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 22:47:49
Both linesmen wearing gloves on the Ipswich v. Southampton game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 11:24:49
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30848969

More about the line below when coupled with the £10.6m loss, as opposed to the (still less of a loss than 1982 ltd) £10.6m.

Quote
The Sussex club complied with the Football League's Financial Fair Play regulations  ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 11:27:44
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30848969

More about the line below when coupled with the £10.6m loss, as opposed to the (still less of a loss than 1982 ltd) £10.6m.

One of the bigger clubs will implode soon and that will be a massive wake up call to clubs carrying these debts and hopefully stop this vast overspending madness.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 11:39:11
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30848969

More about the line below when coupled with the £10.6m loss, as opposed to the (still less of a loss than 1982 ltd) £10.6m.


And as with the 82's they have a chairman who covers the losses. Was this not exactly what we were doing 2 yesrs ago?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 13:13:57
It was, but not to the same extent.  It made a good deal of us uncomfortable as well.

Its typical of football that 'only' losing 10m instead of 15m is seen as a good thing.  Such a nonsense this sport.  Ive said it before, someone significant needs to go down to wake up this ridiculous business.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 13:16:41
It was, but not to the same extent.  It made a good deal of us uncomfortable as well.

Its typical of football that 'only' losing 10m instead of 15m is seen as a good thing.  Such a nonsense this sport.  Ive said it before, someone significant needs to go down to wake up this ridiculous business.

Haven't Leeds, Portsmouth etc done so already without anything substantial changing (except arguably FFP)?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 14:08:36
Haven't Leeds, Portsmouth etc done so already without anything substantial changing (except arguably FFP)?

Don't think there is anything to make clubs think twice about doing it at present. None of the financial schemes are having an effect and clubs are happy taking the risk and the potential penalties.

I reckon the best chance is other clubs looking at what we're doing, what can be achieved and copying. One day people like Lansdown will start asking the question of why he's blowing £10m a season when a club that is close to breaking even on smaller attendances is ahead of them in the league.

The more clubs that use the loan system (and the number of loan players allowed being increased) and refuse to pay ridiculous salaries to players outside the PL, the more wages will come down, the more clubs will start breaking even.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 14:11:54
Don't think there is anything to make clubs think twice about doing it at present. None of the financial schemes are having an effect and clubs are happy taking the risk and the potential penalties.

I reckon the best chance is other clubs looking at what we're doing, what can be achieved and copying. One day people like Lansdown will start asking the question of why he's blowing £10m a season when a club that is close to breaking even on smaller attendances is ahead of them in the league.

The more clubs that use the loan system (and the number of loan players allowed being increased) and refuse to pay ridiculous salaries to players outside the PL, the more wages will come down, the more clubs will start breaking even.

And maybe, just maybe, a few more young English players will make their way through to the highest level.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 19:21:10
One of the bigger clubs will implode soon and that will be a massive wake up call to clubs carrying these debts and hopefully stop this vast overspending madness.

Hopefully starting with Bolton, or at least Gartside.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30863091


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 19:59:35
I had to look it up to see what you were on about. Hilarious effort. Flappy The Salmon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA)

For Si.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 11:16:33
Hopefully starting with Bolton, or at least Gartside.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30863091
Couldn't happen to a nicer chairman ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, January 22, 2015, 10:45:49
Martin Ødegaard will be earning £80k a week apparently. Way way too much for a 16 year old!

Hope he is managed well.


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 22, 2015, 15:37:20
He's Norwegian, that's pocket money to him.

I read that his father has been offered a coaching role at Real so sure he'll be guided well by both his father and Zizou


Title: Re:
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, January 22, 2015, 15:39:00
He's Norwegian, that's pocket money to him.

Does this make you a gold-digger?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, January 22, 2015, 15:57:49
Martin Ødegaard will be earning £80k a week apparently. Way way too much for a 16 year old!

Hope he is managed well.

I think this has been lost in translation. I saw a few reports of this 80k a week first thing this morning and have since removed this.
I really can't see he would be on 80k.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, February 5, 2015, 22:21:00
Crowd trouble at Ghana/Equatorial Guinea game right now. No need for it at all. Commentators saying EG fans have left the stadium to ambush the Ghana fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, February 6, 2015, 09:13:54
The Equatorial Guinean version of Eric Read was well up for it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, February 6, 2015, 09:18:39
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2941681/A-Leyton-Orient-player-earns-20-000-week-s-rare-breed-sportsman-filthy-rich-stay-hungry-success-like-Cristiano-Ronaldo.html

I hope they go bust anyway. Shitty little club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 6, 2015, 09:25:56
This form is the last thing Orient need with West Ham United moving nearby in a couple of years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 6, 2015, 11:52:05
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2941681/A-Leyton-Orient-player-earns-20-000-week-s-rare-breed-sportsman-filthy-rich-stay-hungry-success-like-Cristiano-Ronaldo.html

I hope they go bust anyway. Shitty little club
The O's fans seem to think its Dossena thats on £20k but also that McAnuff, Simpson and Henderson are all on between £8k and £10k per week as well.

Thats probably just a little less than the 82ers are paying in wages per player yet they have something to show for it, whereas Orient are relegation fodder this season.

So it seems that the wages those 4 players at Orient exceed our WHOLE playing budget. Thats appalling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, February 6, 2015, 13:05:14
The O's fans seem to think its Dossena thats on £20k but also that McAnuff, Simpson and Henderson are all on between £8k and £10k per week as well.

Thats probably just a little less than the 82ers are paying in wages per player yet they have something to show for it, whereas Orient are relegation fodder this season.

So it seems that the wages those 4 players at Orient exceed our WHOLE playing budget. Thats appalling.

Orient overachieved last season...but now they are reverting back to type with a relegation scrap.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 6, 2015, 15:09:05
Just putting a placeholder here in case they reveal who has won the next TV packages for the greed league.

I mean <insert billions here> is an obscene amount, it really going to widen the canyon between the haves and have nots. <insert companies here> have totally destroyed football for the attending fan. Sky started it, but <insert other companies here> have really pushed the auction price up, all in the name of competition. it isn't dubbed the greed league for nothing. the sooner it goes bust the better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, February 6, 2015, 15:17:19
Just putting a placeholder here in case they reveal who has won the next TV packages for the greed league.

I mean <insert billions here> is an obscene amount, it really going to widen the canyon between the haves and have nots. <insert companies here> have totally destroyed football for the attending fan. Sky started it, but <insert other companies here> have really pushed the auction price up, all in the name of competition. it isn't dubbed the greed league for nothing. the sooner it goes bust the better.

A special mention should go to Virgin Media who want Ofcom to force the PL to show even more games live.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31031338


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 13:53:59
Grimsby fan thrown out of FGR for having an inflatable

http://lockerdome.com/awaydays/6169470909558849/7398955126377745

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/mark_woolhouse/Mobile%20Uploads/th_IMG_20150208_125016_zpsb9a4a0bd.jpg) (http://s866.photobucket.com/user/mark_woolhouse/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150208_125016_zpsb9a4a0bd.jpg.html)

Its an inflatable ffs not a bomb, is a headlock really necessary


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 13:58:51
Is another fan in that pic carrying his dog?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 14:09:51
The fella with the dog and headband combo encapsulates the 'vibe' at Forest Green Rovers.

God-dang hippies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 14:35:28
I still can't see it kick it off like that *just* for dicking around with an inflatable. Something else must have happened.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 14:41:36
I still can't see it kick it off like that *just* for dicking around with an inflatable. Something else must have happened.

Going by Grimsby's forum apparently not. And whatever it was, did it really need at least 6 stewards to eject him in such an aggressive manner, especially going by the picture that he doesn't appear to be a particularly youthful chap.

We all know what happens to stewards as soon as they don the florescent jackets - they think they're god.

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/PICTURED-Grimsby-Town-fan-ejected-ground-Forest/story-25990661-detail/story.html#ixzz3R5clN4QQ


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 14:48:59
 I could understand it if he'd kicked off, hence the comment, even then it looks OTT.

If its genuinely over the inflatable, they should be sacked from their jobs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 15:07:47
If you click on the pic you can buy a copy of it. I've bought the canvas.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 16:02:05
Has the one on the far left got his hand stuck up the arse of the one in front of him?
 ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 16:34:43
If you click on the pic you can buy a copy of it. I've bought the canvas.
Hahah! I went for the metal print...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Monday, February 9, 2015, 21:26:15
Hearing that Chelskie have got 28 players out on loan.

Ffs they may as well start their own league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 9, 2015, 21:32:54
Hearing that Chelskie have got 28 players out on loan.

Ffs they may as well start their own league.

If Chelsea had a B team playing in Div 3, then I guess they'd need a squad of say 24/25 or so.  This is the sort of thing that Dyke is proposing......Moyes has just been on the radio talking about his missionary work in Spain. and he's on about how good it is that Sociedad have a B team, just the sort of thing we could do with here.

Nope, I'm fine with Chelsea using this way of getting young players some experience...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, February 9, 2015, 22:57:02
Nowt wrong with football tonight.  The Filthy Franchisr have just gifted us an opportunity to open up a 4 point gap with 3rd place tomorrow.  We have to capitalise.  Get in!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 00:35:45
The O's fans seem to think its Dossena thats on £20k but also that McAnuff, Simpson and Henderson are all on between £8k and £10k per week as well.

Thats probably just a little less than the 82ers are paying in wages per player yet they have something to show for it, whereas Orient are relegation fodder this season.

So it seems that the wages those 4 players at Orient exceed our WHOLE playing budget. Thats appalling.

Cuthbert must be on 30k at least...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 00:39:44
Cuthbert must be on 30k at least...

You have to pay for pure quality..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 09:01:54
You have to pay for pure quality..

or based on the weight


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:13:33
Premier League tv rights for the UK have sold for £5bn.

There's too much money in the PL, players are paid too much, it doesn't filter down the leagues, it all goes to foreigners, blah blah blah.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:30:27
You can't blame Clubs, or The FA, or even the TV companies for the ludicrous amounts of money paid out for TV rights to games. You can however blame the consumers of said 'product'. Demand dictates the price and the demand is huge.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:38:31
£10 million per match apparently. Lunacy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:44:14
I just can't see how that's profitable when streaming is so rampant. I have BT Sport as I have BT Internet but I certainly won't pay for it if it ends up costing Sky level prices. It's a big gamble for those two companies, the subscriber model isn't secure enough to withstand huge price hikes surely?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:49:13
£10 million per match apparently. Lunacy
And yet they can't have ticket prices the working man and his family can afford.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:50:00
I just can't see how that's profitable when streaming is so rampant. I have BT Sport as I have BT Internet but I certainly won't pay for it if it ends up costing Sky level prices. It's a big gamble for those two companies, the subscriber model isn't secure enough to withstand huge price hikes surely?

Lets hope not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:50:42
I'm a mug because is subscribe to sky and bt sport. If everyone said fuck it I'm out and cancelled then maybe things might change but until then it will be what it is. The money footballers are getting paid is way beyond stupid now too. It should have been capped years ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:54:38
£112,000 per minute of coverage apparently or the equivalent of giving every fan attending £50 each per game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:58:08
I'm a mug because is subscribe to sky and bt sport. If everyone said fuck it I'm out and cancelled then maybe things might change but until then it will be what it is. The money footballers are getting paid is way beyond stupid now too. It should have been capped years ago.

Off hired my sky and to honest don't miss the wall to wall football.
99 times out of 100 only watched it cos it was on not cos I particularly wanted too.
Am sure many out there do the same.

Bottom team in the prem now gets 99 million
 :eek:
If and when the bubble bursts will be very messy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:59:51
Premier League tv rights for the UK have sold for £5bn.

There's too much money in the PL, players are paid too much, it doesn't filter down the leagues, it all goes to foreigners, blah blah blah.

Of course...because generally football fans are mugs, ultimately if we don't like it we can always not subscribe.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:02:06
The fan who turns up doesn't really mean fuck all to clubs now. Even though the money to the fan to attend is expensive it barely makes an impact to the club. Tv money is blowing it away. It's insane. The arse will fall out of it eventually though I think, fingers crossed.
Then maybe footballers will be paid more realistically and fans may matter again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:04:14
I don't subscribe to Sky Sports or BT Sports. There's way too much football and I dare say that the 'Saturday 3pm' ban will be lifted in a matter of seasons.

Personally, I'd still much rather attend games than stay at home. I can certainly see the appeal because I spent most of university days watching relevant and irrelevant football on big screens in the union but it's just not for me anymore.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:10:12
I don't subscribe to Sky Sports or BT Sports.
Ditto, they will never get a penny out of me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:47:50
I get BT sports, but only as part of broadband. Can see that deal being dropped soon, they have champions  and won't be giving it away..

Some depressing figures:
 BT paid £960m (+30%), Sky £4.18bn (+83%), so Sky paying 11m per game, BT £7.6m per game

Good luck with the price rises Sky Sports subscribers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 20:01:16
I don't directly subscribe to Sky Sports as its part of my Virgin TiVo package along with free BT Sports. I do like to watch Premiership football occasional but not every game that's broadcast. I'd be happy just to watch the major games down the pub if Sky put their residential subscriptions up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 20:11:24
I get BT sports, but only as part of broadband. Can see that deal being dropped soon, they have champions  and won't be giving it away

I hope they split it out- I like watching the rugby and European league football but wouldn't pay 30 odd quid a month to subsidise the CL and Prem games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 20:20:05
I hope they split it out- I like watching the rugby and European league football but wouldn't pay 30 odd quid a month to subsidise the CL and Prem games.

They could do. It kind of makes sense for them to give some Prem games free in the 'broadband pack' to entice people over to their broadband.




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 20:21:09
I don't subscribe to sky or bt sport either. I see the town goals on the internet and we live 100 yards from a decent boozer so if I want to watch a game I'll go down the battle cruiser.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 20:40:46
Im sure it will all trickle down to the other clubs and the grass roots.  Players and agents wont keep it all.

I may be being slightly sarcastic.

I seem to remember when I first started watching football people would bang on about how its ok for players to be paid well as its a short career.  Fuckers only have to work for a month to be set for life.  Load of old shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 10:06:57
I do have Sky, but I've been watching less and less PL games over the years.

There is just too many games on TV, and with games now being shown on Friday nights, I feel for the FL, as that was one of their slots, even though Sky have 'lost' the 5.30pm slot on Sat nights, so the FL games can go there, assuming they want the TV rights.

Hopefully Virgin will lose their appeal to Ofcom, otherwise I worry for the game in this country.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:03:49
The Premier League is "a success story" but not a charity, its chief executive Richard Scudamore has said over criticism on a record £5.14bn TV deal.

Scudamore must be one of the most revolting human beings to have ever inhabited the earth.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:19:38
Scudamore must be one of the most revolting human beings to have ever inhabited the earth.

Well he is a fan of the '82'ers' !!

And just imagine what his 'bonus' will be for 'negotiating' this deal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:31:36
Its hard to argue that 'brand EPL' isn't doing well under his guidance.

Financially of course, and at the expense of what's good for wider football, but who cares, right.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:38:30
Its hard to argue that 'brand EPL' isn't doing well under his guidance.

Financially of course, and at the expense of what's good for wider football, but who cares, right.

Which is what Scudamore is paid to do, maximise returns for his paymasters the Premier League clubs, he is not the moral compass of football or thinking of the wider game - that's not his job that's the FA's gig!

I am not for a minute saying I agree with it in any way, but taking an entirely business approach to it Scudamore is doing what he is paid to do... and doing it bloody well!

Still an objectionable twat though, he and Gordon Taylor bloody deserve each other!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:40:10
We are in complete agreement!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:42:19
We are in complete agreement!

Summarised as the FA are toothless and Scudamore is a prick!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:47:10
He really is quite a reprehensible human being isn't he?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/11/richard-scudamore-premier-league-responsibility-living-wage


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:52:58
He really is quite a reprehensible human being isn't he?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/11/richard-scudamore-premier-league-responsibility-living-wage

You'd think he'd just respond with a "that's down to the individual clubs" bland statement wouldn't you....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 14:12:47
Scudamore must be one of the most revolting human beings to have ever inhabited the earth.

Premier League: Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan...
Championship: Jack the Ripper, Fred West, Jihadi John...
League 1: Rupert Murdoch, Margaret Thatcher, Robert Maxwell...
League 2: Richard Scudamore, David Mellor, Jed McCrory...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 14:12:47
Never paid for televised football and never will. If there were no fans (viewers) then the ridiculous salaries wouldn't exist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 14:18:11
Premier League: Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan...
Championship: Jack the Ripper, Fred West, Jihadi John...
League 1: Rupert Murdoch, Margaret Thatcher, Robert Maxwell...
League 2: Richard Scudamore, David Mellor, Jed McCrory...

Quality, although Jed is more evostick league really :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 14:20:47
Premier League: Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan...
Championship: Jack the Ripper, Fred West, Jihadi John...
League 1: Rupert Murdoch, Margaret Thatcher, Robert Maxwell...
League 2: Richard Scudamore, David Mellor, Jed McCrory...

Now here's a contest to rival "TEFs hardest animal". "TEFs least favourite shitbag" - will we go for a world stage prick or a local anti-hero? A modern day world ruiner or a villain of yore?

It'd be like that BBC 100 Best Britons thing except Jeremy Clarkson would be on the list rather than presenting it...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 14:28:34
Premier League: Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan...
Championship: Jack the Ripper, Fred West, Jihadi John...
League 1: Rupert Murdoch, Margaret Thatcher, Robert Maxwell...
League 2: Richard Scudamore, David Mellor, Jed McCrory...

I'd place him (Scudamore) top of league one, with the 82ers!

Edit - No Pol Pot?

Double edit - or Bonnie Langford?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 15:47:10
He really is quite a reprehensible human being isn't he?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/11/richard-scudamore-premier-league-responsibility-living-wage
Being a Slave Trader, he's not used to paying for labour so its probably quite a peculiar argument for him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 16:16:07
I finally got around to reading the article and frankly, I don't know what Scudamore has said wrong. There's a national minimum wage which clubs have to adhere to, like any other business. If politicians think there needs to be a different measure for businesses which "make a lot of money", then they should legislate for it. We get a lot of similar pontificating about the banks and offshore businesses like Google, but you can't blame companies for adhering strictly to the existing laws. Rather than these cheap soundbites, they should sit down and table a bill.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 23:05:18
I finally got around to reading the article and frankly, I don't know what Scudamore has said wrong. There's a national minimum wage which clubs have to adhere to, like any other business. If politicians think there needs to be a different measure for businesses which "make a lot of money", then they should legislate for it. We get a lot of similar pontificating about the banks and offshore businesses like Google, but you can't blame companies for adhering strictly to the existing laws. Rather than these cheap soundbites, they should sit down and table a bill.
I think it is his inability to even suggest that he would want to see clubs pay a living wage, or for the PL to ensure an increased proportion of the wealth is filtered down to the lower leagues and 'grass roots'. Just like a politician, he hides behind 'market forces' and his 'employers', when he could quite easily proffer a personal opinion or preferred direction he wants to take the PL.

His interview did nothing to sway my opinion that the PL is a bag of self-serving shite that deserves to burst open and stain the limp dick that is the FA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 11:43:08
If Sky have got this sort of money to throw around perhaps they should spend some replacing the useless bints they use to front their SSN programme.

That useless fucker who does match reports, the useless blond Irish shagger and the rest apart from Natalie Sawyer and Alex Greaves who actually know what they are talking about instead of just looking pretty reading from the autocue


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 11:44:03
I'd place him (Scudamore) top of league one, with the 82ers!

Edit - No Pol Pot?

Double edit - or Bonnie Langford?

I think Scudamore has a lot of competition and really is non-league quality when it comes to the aforementioned table, there are a lot of considerably more unpleasant people out there- they just keep it quieter!

I would be interested to see where people place Tony Blair in that league table!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 11:48:38
I finally got around to reading the article and frankly, I don't know what Scudamore has said wrong. There's a national minimum wage which clubs have to adhere to, like any other business. If politicians think there needs to be a different measure for businesses which "make a lot of money", then they should legislate for it. We get a lot of similar pontificating about the banks and offshore businesses like Google, but you can't blame companies for adhering strictly to the existing laws. Rather than these cheap soundbites, they should sit down and table a bill.

I think the thing is the politicians like to press the living wage thing when it suits them, and football as 'the peoples game' (TM) is an easy target which will get some column inches, however legislating for it is an entirely different matter - similarly to the fact that Labour now bang on constantly about tax evasion having done bugger all about it when they had the chance between 1997 and 2010.

Scudamore is employed by the clubs to maximise income, he starts criticising his employers and they will rapidly find someone else happy to earn a 6 figure salary and tow the party line.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 11:49:22
I never fail to conclude that Chelsea Football Club seem to personify everything that is wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 16:08:15
apart from them paying the living wage


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 13, 2015, 19:04:54
Sounds like the new regime at Orient is settling in nicely:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-leyton-orient-in-turmoil-10043908.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, February 13, 2015, 22:39:24
Sounds like the new regime at Orient is settling in nicely:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-leyton-orient-in-turmoil-10043908.html

On a related note, this made me laugh. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31428076


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 15, 2015, 13:18:37
It's not really what's wrong with football as such, but how it is reported. And this is Orient related as well.

All the media outlets report all goals scored from the 90th minute onwards as just that - 90. So it doesn't matter if a goal has been scored in the 91st, 92nd or 93rd minute etc, it gets reported as 90. So you can get instances of two really late goals being scored, which could have happened last week in the QPR v Southampton game. Southampton scored in the 91st minute and QPR thought they had equalised in the 93rd (or something like that). It was disallowed but had it not been, both goals would have gone down as '90'.

I was just reading about Orient's 3-2 win at Chesterfield and their winning goal is listed at '90'. When you read the report though, they actually scored in the 101st minute  :eek:

I'm not going to let it ruin my weekend (Town already did that yesterday ::)) but it seems a bit silly though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, February 15, 2015, 13:27:15
It's not really what's wrong with football as such, but how it is reported. And this is Orient related as well.

All the media outlets report all goals scored from the 90th minute onwards as just that - 90. So it doesn't matter if a goal has been scored in the 91st, 92nd or 93rd minute etc, it gets reported as 90. So you can get instances of two really late goals being scored, which could have happened last week in the QPR v Southampton game. Southampton scored in the 91st minute and QPR thought they had equalised in the 93rd (or something like that). It was disallowed but had it not been, both goals would have gone down as '90'.

I was just reading about Orient's 3-2 win at Chesterfield and their winning goal is listed at '90'. When you read the report though, they actually scored in the 101st minute  :eek:

I'm not going to let it ruin my weekend (Town already did that yesterday ::)) but it seems a bit silly though.

I remember a Liverpool Arsenal game few years back when 2 penalties were scored in something like 92nd and 101st minute. Both went down as '90.' I agree, is annoying.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 15, 2015, 13:40:19
It's not really what's wrong with football as such, but how it is reported. And this is Orient related as well.

All the media outlets report all goals scored from the 90th minute onwards as just that - 90.
...

I'm not going to let it ruin my weekend (Town already did that yesterday ::)) but it seems a bit silly though.

The Vidiprinter I use (Sporting life, but others too) seem to indicate the injury time minutes as 45+x and 90+x (90+11 in this case)..

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/results

The BBC are butt nuggets though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 18:58:59
Looking at the below it would appear that the Bournemouth chairman is trying to cosy up to the premier chairmen.

'17:37 Football
Championship clubs could benefit by about £1m per year from the new Premier League TV rights deal, according to Bournemouth chairman Jeff Mostyn.

He said money would "trickle down" to the Championship in a "very positive outcome" for clubs in the second tier.

"It could mean a substantial amount in real terms. We may be talking in excess of £1m," he told BBC Radio Solent.'

Yeah that 1m makes it all fair.... dick!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 16, 2015, 19:02:04
Wonder how much wages will rise, which will also trickle down...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, February 16, 2015, 19:13:58
Looking at the below it would appear that the Bournemouth chairman is trying to cosy up to the premier chairmen.

'17:37 Football
Championship clubs could benefit by about £1m per year from the new Premier League TV rights deal, according to Bournemouth chairman Jeff Mostyn.

He said money would "trickle down" to the Championship in a "very positive outcome" for clubs in the second tier.

"It could mean a substantial amount in real terms. We may be talking in excess of £1m," he told BBC Radio Solent.'

Yeah that 1m makes it all fair.... dick!

That blokes a prick.

BBC South news are always up his ringpiece making out that it is a true fairytale how bournemouth are top of the championship

Twats


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 19:18:07
That blokes a prick.

BBC South news are always up his ringpiece making out that it is a true fairytale how bournemouth are top of the championship

Twats

The fairytale being that some rich cunt has come in!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:45:27
Man United on the tv again.  Seriously BBC, if they go out in the next round are you going to find an excuse to show them playing a friendly against salford?

Kiss ass bbc wankers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:48:45
Isn't it something like the last 20+ FA Cup ties of theirs have been shown on the box.

Ridiculous, although tonight is worthy of TV in all fairness


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:51:01
And I see if they win they get through to face Arsenal, sure fire on the box.  It could be that they are covered in every possible round.  I wouldnt be arsed but seriously, Yeovil?  Cambridge?  The glamour ties that everyone desperately wants to see.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:52:37
Advertising banners taking up seats (see Deepdale tonight).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:58:58
Advertising banners taking up seats (see Deepdale tonight).

Am not watching
Is that first few rows behind the goals ?
Preston usually have black sheeting over those anyway for some odd reason


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:03:59
Isn't it something like the last 20+ FA Cup ties of theirs have been shown on the box.

Ridiculous, although tonight is worthy of TV in all fairness

45 consecutive ties, inc tonight.

As if anyone cares. The FA Cup has been dead for years, may as well be a pre- season friendly for all I care.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jimbob on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:04:37
Martin keown


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:26:57
Am not watching
Is that first few rows behind the goals ?
Preston usually have black sheeting over those anyway for some odd reason
Yes, but advertising (Virgin Trains) rather than the usual black tonight. And it is at the away end too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:26:59
Man United on TV shocker  :eek:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:29:07
Kevin Davies is a horrible cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:32:07
You're only watching to see if Pnethor does a streak  :)


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:41:37
Man United on the tv again.  Seriously BBC, if they go out in the next round are you going to find an excuse to show them playing a friendly against salford?

Kiss ass bbc wankers.
Half time is turning into a Rooney love in and Roy Hodgson has been replaced by a robot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 22:05:51
To be fair to the BBC, seeing a team costing over £230m being turned over by one that cost nothing is pretty good TV.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 22:15:23
Much as I would like Preston to win,  just what the fuck does Kevin Davies need to do to get sent off?


Title: Re:
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 00:21:40
Much as I would like Preston to win,  just what the fuck does Kevin Davies need to do to get sent off?

Is he Higdon in disguise?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 08:35:18
Yes, but advertising (Virgin Trains) rather than the usual black tonight. And it is at the away end too.

I see the BBC have put their electronic advertising boards around the pitch too, like they did at Cambridge...

Unless they're usually at Deepdale? They weren't last season..

I wonder if these ones burn peoples retinas?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 08:35:32
Kevin Davies is a horrible cunt

Seconded.


Title: Re:
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 08:57:31
Much as I would like Preston to win,  just what the fuck does Kevin Davies need to do to get sent off?
I bet he now scores against Scunny at the weekend.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:08:47
I also see that finally football has become an entirely non-contact sport.

Whilst it is unclear what the hell Preston's keeper was doing there, in sliding out he missed ball and player by a country mile, Rooney could have hurdled him but instead fell to the ground with no contact and penalty it is.

In that case where he has not touched the player but by his actions prevented him chasing the ball is that not obstruction?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:21:56
Terrible dive, should have been booked for doing so


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:37:41
I also see that finally football has become an entirely non-contact sport.

Whilst it is unclear what the hell Preston's keeper was doing there, in sliding out he missed ball and player by a country mile, Rooney could have hurdled him but instead fell to the ground with no contact and penalty it is.

In that case where he has not touched the player but by his actions prevented him chasing the ball is that not obstruction?

Don't think referees help with this - if there is no contact and the player doesn't go down they don't give a penalty.

Should have been a penalty whether Rooney went down or not as he was forced to take avoiding action.

But that was an awful and blatant dive. Made worse by Hodgson et al refusing to criticise him for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:44:01
I couldn't have been a dive because it was rooney.  He doesn't dive.  He doesn't swear, he doesn't harrangue refs, he doesn't cheat in any way.  I know this because England manager and ex united players in the media tell me so.  He was taking evasive action by diving.  Its different.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 11:12:50
It's a strange thing about English football that Kevin Davies attempting to damage anyone who came within five feet of him qualifies him as a "whole hearted footballer" and passes without adverse comment (except on here, but we hate everyone) and, at the other end of the scale, a player diving creates piles of headlines and comment and makes Rooney villain numero uno. Personally when I play I'd much rather someone on the other team dived than tried to remove my head with their elbow at every opportunity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 11:18:57
Oh absolutely.  I totally agree that Davies is a cunt.  But so is Rooney and the excusing of his behaviour by his chums pisses me off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 11:29:58
One other small thing which irritates me...

Player running through, defender cuts across him between him and ball to stop him getting it without playing the ball - obstruction given.

Ball running out or through to keeper, attacker chasing and would reach, defender steps across him to block his passage without making effort to play ball - good defending.

What's the bloody difference!

I have woken up a right grumpy git this morning.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 11:31:12
It's a strange thing about English football that Kevin Davies attempting to damage anyone who came within five feet of him qualifies him as a "whole hearted footballer" and passes without adverse comment (except on here, but we hate everyone) and, at the other end of the scale, a player diving creates piles of headlines and comment and makes Rooney villain numero uno. Personally when I play I'd much rather someone on the other team dived than tried to remove my head with their elbow at every opportunity.

TOTALLY agree.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 11:37:50
It's a strange thing about English football that Kevin Davies attempting to damage anyone who came within five feet of him qualifies him as a "whole hearted footballer" and passes without adverse comment (except on here, but we hate everyone) and, at the other end of the scale, a player diving creates piles of headlines and comment and makes Rooney villain numero uno. Personally when I play I'd much rather someone on the other team dived than tried to remove my head with their elbow at every opportunity.

Agreed although I would suspect that we would be quite fond of Davies if he played for us.

But no he is a dirty git!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 11:39:02
Agreed although I would suspect that we would be quite fond of Davies if he played for us.

But no he is a dirty git!

No doubt we'd all be singing his name if he played for us, but he doesn't so he's a cunt  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 11:46:52
Terrible dive, should have been booked for doing so

I was watching the game without sound and presumed that Rooney had been booked for the dive. I was amazed to see a penalty given and a yellow for the keeper!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 13:46:51
Birmingham's owners have put the holding company into receivership  - assuem this is to do with Yeung wanting to put more of his own people on the board and the FL asking questions

I'm guessing that will mean BFC being deducted points wasn't it Jeremy Wray with a consortium that made an offer to buy brum once upon a time


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 13:58:58
Wray was still looking at Brum in Dec 2014/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 14:34:29
I was watching the game without sound and presumed that Rooney had been booked for the dive. I was amazed to see a penalty given and a yellow for the keeper!

You and me both.  I was thinking, someone finally standing up to Rooney and was amazed when I saw him stepping up to take a pen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 14:38:50
it's a shame it's now acceptable as being 'part of the game'.

I even heard of a local u11s team that had half a practice session on how to dive ffs. no idea if this is true I suppose, but if it was my lads team he'd be straight out of there. thankfully both the teams my son has played for try and play hard but fair..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 14:42:58

 the teams my son has played for try and play hard but fair..

You are not Kevin Davies dad are you?

The whole thing was odd, it Rooney hadn't dived he would probably have been taken out by the keeper anyway - but instead he did a swan dive.

BTW has anyone else noticed how much Rooney and Van Gaal look like each other, don't know whether its the unnatural hairline that both have but he really looks like his dad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 14:43:53
it's a shame it's now acceptable as being 'part of the game'.

I even heard of a local u11s team that had half a practice session on how to dive ffs. no idea if this is true I suppose, but if it was my lads team he'd be straight out of there. thankfully both the teams my son has played for try and play hard but fair..

It's not a bad session... If you're a goalkeeper.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 16:33:45
You are not Kevin Davies dad are you?

The whole thing was odd, it Rooney hadn't dived he would probably have been taken out by the keeper anyway - but instead he did a swan dive.

BTW has anyone else noticed how much Rooney and Van Gaal look like each other, don't know whether its the unnatural hairline that both have but he really looks like his dad.

He didn't have to dive. He could have hopped over the keepers legs and stayed on his feet. A goal wasn't on so he went down. If he had been bearing down on the edge of the box with the ball at his feet, a screaming 18 yard shot in his immediate plans and a defender came in at him like the keeper did, he would have jinked the ball forward, hurdled the defenders legs, shot, scored and the overpaid, over opinionated wankers deemed to be pundits, would be getting moist and jizzy about the goal for years to come.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 16:39:26
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sam-wallace-while-premier-league-banks-its-51bn-teams-cant-afford-to-enter-youth-games-10050267.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 11:08:14
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro

I know it's a minority, but some of the neanderthals that go and watch our beautiful game really need to have something nasty happen to them.

I would like to see these dozen or so arseholes dropped into a boxing ring/fighting cage with 50 black men who are allowed 1/5 minute/s or so to do their worst/best.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 11:23:56
Quote
Joseph S Blatter ‏@SeppBlatter  2m2 minutes ago
I also condemn the actions of a small group of Chelsea fans in Paris. There is no place for racism in football!

Maybe they should just shake hands, eh Blatter. You senile old cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 11:31:06
Good quote from the Chelsea fanzine editor on the sheer daftness of these idiots:

"The 2,000 who were in Paris today support a Jewish-owned football team where the majority of players are black and foreign.”


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 20:35:19
Those three must have had bloody loud voices!

Chelsea suspends Paris Metro trio http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31543951


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 21:07:58
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro

I know it's a minority, but some of the neanderthals that go and watch our beautiful game really need to have something nasty happen to them.

I would like to see these dozen or so arseholes dropped into a boxing ring/fighting cage with 50 black men who are allowed 1/5 minute/s or so to do their worst/best.

Sounds a bit like the plot to Die hard 3


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 21:29:49
Why does the cunt Rio ferdinand have to get involved?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 21:36:03
Why does the cunt Rio ferdinand have to get involved?!
Because he owns racism


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 21:40:53
I thought that was Sol Campbell and Clarke Carlise?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 21:47:53
I thought that was Sol Campbell and Clarke Carlise?
and Lenny Henry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 22:24:37
Stupid Sky and their stupid Easter picks. Unbelievable.

Watford v Middlesbrough - Monday 6th April, 12.30pm
Wolves v Leeds - Monday April 6th, 5.15pm
Norwich v Middlesbrough - Friday 17th April, 7.45pm

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

That means probably no way to watch the C**y game now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 22:44:07
If it's not on Sky, I wonder if they'll stream it at the club like they did with the Oxford game a few years ago?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 23:05:55
doubt it, that cost the club money (not having a go).


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, February 22, 2015, 13:45:39
Why does the cunt Rio ferdinand have to get involved?!
To be fair his tweet about john Terry had a point until he lost his nerve and deleted it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 23, 2015, 17:07:51
Our game against the Slave Traders being moved to the Tuesday for fucking Sky. Wankers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, February 23, 2015, 17:12:11
Damned if they show it, damned if they don't.

Personally, if I get a ticket then a midweek clash under the lights beats a Monday afternoon for me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, February 23, 2015, 21:16:42
Our game against the Slave Traders being moved to the Tuesday for fucking Sky. Wankers.

Pleased at that personally :-)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, February 23, 2015, 21:19:39
Our game against the Slave Traders being moved to the Tuesday for fucking Sky. Wankers.

It means more than 300 (or whatever the allocation is) get to see it.  And it will take some of the edge off the atmosphere - smaller crowd, less drinking before the game.  Works quite nicely for us in some respects.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 12:54:56
 Well it looks like FIFA are saying 2022 WC in Qatar has to be played in Nov/Dec. ....I suppose it will just mean that there'll be a mid season break of a month or so and the season will kick off perhaps a couple of weeks earlier and finish a couple of weeks later.

 I'd like to think we could still play Div 3/4....some teams will lose a few players, but we managed without 2 for a month in Jan, so should carry on as usual.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 13:07:38
I'd like to think we could still play Div 3/4....some teams will lose a few players, but we managed without 2 for a month in Jan, so should carry on as usual.

FIFA will insist that all football will have to be suspended during the WC so not to affect TV audiences.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 13:22:02
This will give the Premier League clubs the excuse they have been waiting for to press again for a mid season break every year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 14:01:26
I wonder which way we'll be voting.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 14:04:15
Like it matters..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 14:09:46
Even with the general awfulness of FIFA, it's worth taking time to reflect that the next two world cups are taking place in a country which is currently invading a neighbour and threatening anyone else it feels like, and a country which is literally using slaves to build its stadia, leading to the death of thousands of human beings.

Mind boggling that this isn't losing them corporate support hand over fist. I get corruption, I really do, but I figured there might come a point where even Sepp went "You know what, I don't want to have to explain this one at the Pearly Gates, we'll give it to Australia".

And yet, the biggest outcry is likely to come from having to rearrange some domestic games. Annoying yes, but rather insignificant compared to literally killing people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 14:13:27
Well said Nemo. "FIFA - making the Premier League look acceptable by comparison since 1992"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 14:28:30
Did FIFA ever publish that (censored) corruption report?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 14:35:59
I won't be attending either nor will I be paying money towards either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:04:16
Sky Sports wins rights to broadcast Major League Soccer

Would rather they spent more money on lower league games than US shit with overpaid footballers on a last big payday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:09:37
So when the Qatar WC is on will there be no Football League games as well as no PL games?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:11:02
So when the Qatar WC is on will there be no Football League games as well as no PL games?

Correct.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:14:30
That's going to fuck up a huge number of clubs' cashflow.

Anyway, the world will probably have gone to fuck by then - or I'll be rotting in the ground


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:16:18
So when the Qatar WC is on will there be no Football League games as well as no PL games?

Should imagine lower league ones will be on unless you can postpone if have 3 internationals

Tho FIFA may pressurise for all games to be off so they don't lose viewers.
Not sure on time difference but doubt games would clash anyway


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:30:40
Shifting the WC to the winter would 'sort of' solve the climate issue.

So how are they going to deal with the alcohol bans, homophobia, misogyny.......... They can't just ignore these things like they are ignoring the slave labour and what not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:35:08
Should imagine lower league ones will be on unless you can postpone if have 3 internationals

Tho FIFA may pressurise for all games to be off so they don't lose viewers.
Not sure on time difference but doubt games would clash anyway

FIFA are the govening body of world football and they will insist that all professional football closes during the WC.

I believe Qatar are 3 hours ahead of us, so most of the games will kick off early afternoon/evening UK time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:38:18
So how are they going to deal with the alcohol bans, homophobia, misogyny.......... They can't just ignore these things like they are ignoring the slave labour and what not.

Qatar will have to allow the stadia to sell alcohol of the 'FIFA approved beer', like Brazil had to do for last year, as their government has previously banned selling alcohol in stadia.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:47:48
Qatar will have to allow the stadia to sell alcohol of the 'FIFA approved beer', like Brazil had to do for last year, as their government has previously banned selling alcohol in stadia.

It's more the culture clash that I'm getting at.

One can buy alcohol and stuff in Qatar and women are not expected to wear a tent etc. But they are expected to behave 'moderately'.

Football fans (men and women), in a hot climate, having a laugh, watching football, behaving 'moderately'....... There's not a fucking chance of that happening. Clashes are inevitable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:48:18
The way things are, who would really want to go to an Arab country for a high profile event.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 22:30:37
FIFA are the govening body of world football and they will insist that all professional football closes during the WC.

That's going to be a fun 5 or 6 weeks then, esp if England don't qualify which I would think is a fair shout the way things are.

Good opportunity to visit a few local non-league grounds then!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 23:02:52
Even with the general awfulness of FIFA, it's worth taking time to reflect that the next two world cups are taking place in a country which is currently invading a neighbour and threatening anyone else it feels like, and a country which is literally using slaves to build its stadia, leading to the death of thousands of human beings.

Mind boggling that this isn't losing them corporate support hand over fist. I get corruption, I really do, but I figured there might come a point where even Sepp went "You know what, I don't want to have to explain this one at the Pearly Gates, we'll give it to Australia".

And yet, the biggest outcry is likely to come from having to rearrange some domestic games. Annoying yes, but rather insignificant compared to literally killing people.

Hit the fucking nail on the head there, Nemo.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 23:45:28
Blatter ain't going to no Pearly Gates, that fucker's going straight to Hell.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 23:48:25
Oh dear.....Premier league getting fucked over by a greater power.

Boots on the other foot after you fucked us all over in the early 90s.

I won't lose any sleep over it.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 00:39:53
Even with the general awfulness of FIFA, it's worth taking time to reflect that the next two world cups are taking place in a country which is currently invading a neighbour and threatening anyone else it feels like, and a country which is literally using slaves to build its stadia, leading to the death of thousands of human beings.

Mind boggling that this isn't losing them corporate support hand over fist. I get corruption, I really do, but I figured there might come a point where even Sepp went "You know what, I don't want to have to explain this one at the Pearly Gates, we'll give it to Australia".

And yet, the biggest outcry is likely to come from having to rearrange some domestic games. Annoying yes, but rather insignificant compared to literally killing people.

It is rather shameful that of all the objections to Qatar 2022 - the deaths of 1000s of immigrant labour seems to have been relegated further down the list in terms of importance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 09:32:36
So, during 2022 world cup all domestic league matches will have to be postponed (probably) to prevent clashes. For what time frame? 8 weeks?

That means that the 2022-23 season will finish 8 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2023-24 season start will need to be delayed by what, 6 weeks?

That means the 2023-24 season will finish 6 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2024-25 season start  will need to be delayed by what, 4 weeks/

Etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 09:35:45
So, during 2022 world cup all domestic league matches will have to be postponed (probably) to prevent clashes. For what time frame? 8 weeks?

That means that the 2022-23 season will finish 8 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2023-24 season start will need to be delayed by what, 6 weeks?

That means the 2023-24 season will finish 6 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2024-25 season start  will need to be delayed by what, 4 weeks/

Etc.
This is probably fairly true, all it proves in the long run is that bribery and corruption works at FIFA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 10:05:21
There has been no mention of the Football League being affected, so games should carry on as normal. Though I guess The Championship might have to have a break due to the players lost, possibly some League One games as well.

This could actually be a good thing for lower league clubs, no other domestic football for people to watch so higher attendances and maybe some extra money from Sky.

I'm still not convinced it will go ahead in the winter, potential for a lot of legal action.

Fair play to FIFA though, just when you think they can't get any worse they pull this out of the bag.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 10:09:16
I'm still not 100% convinced it will go ahead in Catarrh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 10:10:25
We may be in the prem by then  :naughty:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 10:12:25
There has been no mention of the Football League being affected, so games should carry on as normal. Though I guess The Championship might have to have a break due to the players lost, possibly some League One games as well.

I've seen it briefly mentioned on a few articles that the FL will have to close as well, as people have mentioned that it's all well and good for the PL clubs but lower clubs in the FL could struggle.

The likelihood is that the 2022-23 season, will start mid-July, and finish mid-June with the play-offs...an 11 month season !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 10:37:17
I've seen it briefly mentioned on a few articles that the FL will have to close as well, as people have mentioned that it's all well and good for the PL clubs but lower clubs in the FL could struggle.
Never mind struggle, losing revenue for 2 months mid-season like that could see a few go bust. But then what would FIFA care about that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 10:50:06
fucking circus


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 11:51:58
Sepp looks like a child toucher


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 13:17:53
So, during 2022 world cup all domestic league matches will have to be postponed (probably) to prevent clashes. For what time frame? 8 weeks?

That means that the 2022-23 season will finish 8 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2023-24 season start will need to be delayed by what, 6 weeks?

That means the 2023-24 season will finish 6 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2024-25 season start  will need to be delayed by what, 4 weeks/

Etc.

I think they were looking at the 2022/23 season starting a month early and finishing a month later to even it out

Either way an 8 week period in the middle of the season will severely fuck some clubs cash flow


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 14:32:41
Shifting the WC to the winter would 'sort of' solve the climate issue.

So how are they going to deal with the alcohol bans, homophobia, misogyny.......... They can't just ignore these things like they are ignoring the slave labour and what not.

Although even at that time of the year is still a few degrees hotter than Brazil was and everyone in football was banging on about that being wrong!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 14:34:49
Never mind struggle, losing revenue for 2 months mid-season like that could see a few go bust. But then what would FIFA care about that?

The stupid thing (which will personify everything which is wrong with FIFA, football etc is that I can see this being challenged not because it will fuck up some lower league teams (I suspect across Europe, not just UK) but because it will affect some of the big boys a little losing players!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 13:11:28
Crikey. https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB (https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 13:14:18
Crikey. https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB (https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB)
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Have that ya bastard!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 13:34:45
That's so last week, have you got a vine of The Dress :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 14:01:13
Crikey. https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB (https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB)

Nothing wrong with that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 14:03:45
The games gone soft.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 15:31:10
Let 'im know you're there, son


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 15:37:56
Crikey. https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB (https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB)
1. its last weeks news
2. its more a german suplex than a body slam


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 16:00:08
1. its last weeks news
2. its more a german suplex than a body slam

1. I know but I hadn't seen it posted on here so I didn't automatically assume, like you kings of the internet, that everyone had already seen it.

2. At least it's football-related and didn't need a thread of its own.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 16:17:17
That's so last week, have you got a vine of The Dress :)

horrible gold & black striped shirt Stockport have these days


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 20:31:16
Every time I see this thread the first thing that springs to mind is "Franchise FC".

I can't think of anything that is worse for football than that bunch of cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 23:01:51
Every time I see this thread the first thing that springs to mind is "Franchise FC".

I can't think of anything that is worse for football than that bunch of cunts

We could probably wrap up this thread with the mention of Franchise, the sound of a drummer and a picture of Sepp Blatter.

Wouldn't be quite as fun though  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, March 1, 2015, 13:13:30
1. its last weeks news
2. its more a german suplex than a body slam

Still worth watching again though, I'm with the guy who did the slam, that was a horrendous tackle on him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 2, 2015, 16:56:02
Lots of twitter rumours that the Football League has voted to allow Prem B teams to play in the JPT.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 2, 2015, 17:30:24
Lots of twitter rumours that the Football League has voted to allow Prem B teams to play in the JPT.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2975814/Premier-League-B-teams-enter-Johnstone-s-Paint-Trophy-Football-League-clubs-vote-favour-concept.html

There comes a point where we have to fight back...


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 3, 2015, 19:11:10
Ashley fined for Rangers influence http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31714103

Finally an FA grows some balls and hits an owner where it hurts, that  £7,500 fine is going to hurt Ashley and make him think twice in the future.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015, 19:13:57
But the alternative to Ashley apparently has multiple convictions with the Nomad resigning rather than working with him leading to share suspension...

Rangers share trading suspended http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31735778


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 5, 2015, 12:57:37
http://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2015/mar/05/david-squires-on-the-2022-qatar-world-cup-cartoon

Everyone's favourite David Squires on the Qatar World Cup. Terrific stuff.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 5, 2015, 13:47:12
http://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2015/mar/05/david-squires-on-the-2022-qatar-world-cup-cartoon

Everyone's favourite David Squires on the Qatar World Cup. Terrific stuff.

Dat 5th pane!! OMG hahahahah


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 5, 2015, 15:12:25
That's good :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 19:54:52
https://vine.co/v/OEiEnEbqzz6

Sako Sending off.  Not a great moment for the player falling over.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 20:51:04
https://vine.co/v/OEiEnEbqzz6

Sako Sending off.  Not a great moment for the player falling over.


Jesus wept, he has to be banned for that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 21:53:30
The ugly face of football violence

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/11841116.Ugly_scenes_of_violence_mars_Highworth_s_FA_Vase_win/?ref=mr


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 22:17:00
 Dirty norvern bastards.....nothing changes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 22:21:52
The ugly face of football violence

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/11841116.Ugly_scenes_of_violence_mars_Highworth_s_FA_Vase_win/?ref=mr

I see your ugly face of football

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/mark_woolhouse/villa%20fan_zpsrvshujaw.jpg)

And raise you a WTF one

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/mark_woolhouse/leeds%20dog_zpscvcs4ig7.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, March 16, 2015, 19:50:59

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31913338


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2015, 20:10:30
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31913338
They could have done with a longer sheet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, March 16, 2015, 20:40:27
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31913338

Quote
In its judgment, the panel found that the original ruling had placed too much weight on objections from supporters.

Yeah, why would the FA ever want to take any notice of those annoying wankers and their non-corporate agendas?

This, in a sentence, sums up what's wrong with football.  :crash:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 23, 2015, 20:53:03
 Dyke waffling on again about English football.....he's trying to stop non EU players coming here, to the perceived detriment of home grown players.  It's not that which annoys, but his example of Harry Kane....according to him, Kane, only got a chance, because of Sherwood...."he'd still be on loan at Millwall otherwise".....no acknowledgement that maybe Kane's half a season at The Den, scoring 9 goals as a 19 year old might have aided his development.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2015, 21:05:40
."he'd still be on loan at Millwall otherwise"....

Wait, so lumping English players in lower league B teams wouldn't work then. What a fucking shock.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 23, 2015, 22:17:30
Dyke waffling on again about English football.....he's trying to stop non EU players coming here, to the perceived detriment of home grown players.  It's not that which annoys, but his example of Harry Kane....according to him, Kane, only got a chance, because of Sherwood...."he'd still be on loan at Millwall otherwise".....no acknowledgement that maybe Kane's half a season at The Den, scoring 9 goals as a 19 year old might have aided his development.

And he's wrong, he can't "stop" non-EU players...

For example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, March 23, 2015, 22:38:34
And he's wrong, he can't "stop" non-EU players...

For example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling

If you read the whole article it appears the EU over turned that ruling, for some regions (including Africa) at least....

Quote
n 2008, the EU changed its reading of the Cotonou Agreement (the Association Agreement between the EU and the ACP countries).[6] It now stated that the Cotonou agreement should not be interpreted as mandating free movement of labour, but rather the free trade of goods and services. The Home Office were subsequently able to introduce new rules placing restrictions on Kolpak players, stating that only those who had held a valid work permit for four years had the right to be treated the same as EU citizens.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 23, 2015, 23:31:16
Yes, but with the passing of the Lisbon Treaty (2009) that is currently being challenged in the ECJ, which almost certainly will overturn that in the spirit of the Simutenkov judgement.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2015, 23:40:25
Yes, but with the passing of the Lisbon Treaty (2009) that is currently being challenged in the ECJ, which almost certainly will overturn that in the spirit of the Simutenkov judgement.
Mornington Crescent!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 23, 2015, 23:46:17
Mornington Crescent!!

No, no, that's an illegal move, you have to go via Blackfriars or take the DLR - but we know what happened to the last person who tried that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 00:14:04
No, no, that's an illegal move, you have to go via Blackfriars or take the DLR - but we know what happened to the last person who tried that.

Jesus, I've seen some maverick playing in my time but take the DLR?! That is either true madness or utter genius.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 00:20:04
No, no, that's an illegal move, you have to go via Blackfriars or take the DLR - but we know what happened to the last person who tried that.
Oh, do keep up
in the spirit of the Simutenkov judgement.
which we all know amends the Popplethwaite convention to not only make my daring dash quite permissible but your suggestion of the DLR not only out of bounds, but, I'd suggest, tantamount to immoral!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 02:06:22
Oh, do keep upwhich we all know amends the Popplethwaite convention to not only make my daring dash quite permissible but your suggestion of the DLR not only out of bounds, but, I'd suggest, tantamount to immoral!


Gentlemen please, let us keep this civil in honor of the game.

pauld you really should know that the Simutenkov Judgement is only really applicable when West of Tower Bridge. I don't think it's an entirely legal move unfortunately.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 06:28:10
Cockfosters.

Fucking amatuers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 09:04:57
Gentlemen please, let us keep this civil in honor of the game.

pauld you really should know that the Simutenkov Judgement is only really applicable when West of Tower Bridge. I don't think it's an entirely legal move unfortunately.
You're right of course, I think in my excitement I got carried away. Damn. Waterloo, then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 09:33:46
Morningt…

Morning TEF.  :bye:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 11:44:04
ofcom are asking for views on premier league football on TV. Virgin are pushing for MORE TV games, and one of the ways of achieving that would be 3pm Saturday kick offs...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 14:09:14
(Half-) listening to 5 Live last night with Dyke, Claridge, Savage et al, made me just think that the FA and PL have spectacularly failed in all ways - 'grass roots' football, lower league football, England, English players, coaching, refereeing, technology, owners etc etc.

Time to start again from scratch.

One football authority.
One professional league with five divisions.
Equal promotion and relegation between all.
One Saturday cup competition. One mid-week cup competition.

TV money to update stadiums, training facilities, community pitches.
No TV technology to determine decisions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ReadingRed on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 14:20:32
Listened to BBC Berks this morning.
Reading's Wembley semi-final tickets have just gone on sale and the presenter was advising people what seats they should buy if they wanted to be "near the drummer"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 14:25:29
Listened to BBC Berks this morning.
Reading's Wembley semi-final tickets have just gone on sale and the presenter was advising people what seats they should buy if they didn't want to be "near the drummer"
Closer to the mark.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 09:37:29
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32073525

Shambles.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 10:24:56
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/6/29/1277806591960/Sepp-blatter-006.jpg)

No further comment required  :no:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 10:36:40
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/6/29/1277806591960/Sepp-blatter-006.jpg)

No further comment required  :no:

/thread


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 13:45:36
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32073525

Shambles.

Exactly the same will happen with the stadiums buiit in Qatar and, a lesser degree, in Russia.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:21:39

No further comment required  :no:

Actually to be accurate, it's more a case of..

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/6/29/1277806591960/Sepp-blatter-006.jpg)

plus

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSaece5GoJRC5UKtfOyoOY2gdoAu_QNK1SiZc_JWMDtWJA5AdSB)

plus

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcHSyuubperU8SALBjdjw7Qr0GG68amcko7bmSo1X5FLr4Jt6V)

plus

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2010/1012/360_world_cup_5_1202.jpg)

Yep, I think that just about covers all eventualities.

Oh yes, how I could I forget - one more...

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6v7Q_S95pIeYN_JOrgspR9nWJ_XlAUcfg9lON50xuXXBpNcfW)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:28:55
And this....

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Steve-Lansdown-wipes-pound-35-million-debt/story-20425643-detail/story.html

Teams at our (or any level) should not be able to run with annual debts of between £9.5m and £15m per year for the last 6 consecutive years with no penalties, effectively cheating the FFP rules.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:46:20
FFP rules in the Championship restricts debt to £3m, with an additional £5m shareholder investment (which includes injecting equity to replace operating debt).

The 82ers failed miserably to achieve that in the past few seasons, so it will be interesting to see what happens if they go up.

BTW, Chelsea are £948m in debt. Don't know how they manage to get around that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:55:52
FFP rules in the Championship restricts debt to £3m, with an additional £5m shareholder investment (which includes injecting equity to replace operating debt).

The 82ers failed miserably to achieve that in the past few seasons, so it will be interesting to see what happens if they go up.

BTW, Chelsea are £948m in debt. Don't know how they manage to get around that.

They'll probably get a 50k fine or something.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:56:35
That'll show 'em!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:57:15
And this....

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Steve-Lansdown-wipes-pound-35-million-debt/story-20425643-detail/story.html

Teams at our (or any level) should not be able to run with annual debts of between £9.5m and £15m per year for the last 6 consecutive years with no penalties, effectively cheating the FFP rules.
You obviously haven't understood. We are the cheats because we "bought" the League 2 title under Di Canio and "spent money we didn't have".

It's strange, isn't it, that alot of fans (and managers) of other clubs were always having a pop at us when we had Black as our benefactor, spending a bit more than we have been able to do in the past, yet the 82ers, and practically every other club from the Championship upwards (as well as a few more in this league), have been doing it for years without drawing a negative comment. We've even had managers have a dig at us the last couple of years because we've got a few loan players and are trying to keep our budget under control.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 15:14:33
Oh dear...just came across this completely at random. What an utter cunt...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 15:20:23
The whole Franchise thing still stinks. How they got away with what they did leaves a bitter taste. Reborn? What a fucking cheek. They stole a football club for Christ's sake.
I wish them nothing but failure. They are the only club I'd like to see go to the wall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 15:33:17
Oh dear...just came across this completely at random. What an utter cunt...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)

Bring back hanging, that's all I have to say.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 16:03:15
That image sickens me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 16:04:54
Oh dear...just came across this completely at random. What an utter cunt...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)

What a cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 16:09:57
Bring back hanging, that's all I have to say.

For the makers, designers and anyone who bought one.

Plastic cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 18:11:50
Oh dear...just came across this completely at random. What an utter cunt...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)
That's the banner that should be made for the tv game, with 'SHAME!' emblazoned at the bottom.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, March 30, 2015, 12:48:34
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32112666

Its because you're a shit manager, John. Race card playing fuckwit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 30, 2015, 12:59:33
"A white manager loses his job and gets another job, he loses his job, he gets another job," Barnes said.

I'm just not sure that's quite accurate, lots of first time managers that get sacked never get another job (and very few of them got a club as big as Celtic off no managerial experience, John). That said, there's certainly a degree of the old boys network in some of the managers that get jobs over and over again, which might indirectly affect black candidates.

Mind you, Chris Hughton has had four managerial jobs and has been sacked from the first three.  


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 30, 2015, 13:01:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32112666

Its because you're a shit manager, John. Race card playing fuckwit.

I was thinking something simular, still bleating on, it is only the shit black managers that claim to be discriminated against


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 30, 2015, 13:06:49
There are definitely managers who are in the 'how the hell has he got another managers job' category, and some are white. Its a bit of a leap to say its because they are white though.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 30, 2015, 13:51:50

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)

I wonder when he started his support?   :sherlock:

The thread may as well be closed now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, March 30, 2015, 18:55:56
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32112666

Its because you're a shit manager, John. Race card playing fuckwit.
And of course the article goes on to talk about the 'Rooney Rule' in the NFL which is self-defeating bollocks in my opinion. The Rooney Rule states that Clubs have to interview at least one black candidate for every Head Coach vacancy. This is inherently racist and just as bad as not employing a black Coach specifically because he is black.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, March 30, 2015, 19:07:09
Quotas never work - even with best of intentions.

No matter who applies for a manager's job the club will, or at least should, pick who they believe is best for the job.

I don't believe for a minute that if there was an outstanding black candidate the club would choose not to appoint him.

I have nothing to back this up, but I reckon there are very few black candidates anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, March 30, 2015, 19:11:41
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32112666

Its because you're a shit manager, John. Race card playing fuckwit.

I think he should read this interview with Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink :


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3017221/Louis-van-Gaal-special-bond-says-Jimmy-Floyd-Hasselbaink.html

And then try and dig out some highlights from his time at Celtic and Tranmere.

The supporters of those two clubs probably say that their highlight is the day he got the sack...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Monday, March 30, 2015, 19:14:29
Quotas never work - even with best of intentions.

No matter who applies for a manager's job the club will, or at least should, pick who they believe is best for the job.

I don't believe for a minute that if there was an outstanding black candidate the club would choose not to appoint him.

I have nothing to back this up, but I reckon there are very few black candidates anyway.

But why are there so few black candidates?  I can't believe its because black players don't want to be managers and white players do.  Nor can I believe that white people make better managers than black people.  I can only therefore conclude that there is something - and I don't know what - either cultural or systematic - that is stopping it.  The Rooney Rule is a flawed, but I think well intentioned - way to try to tackle this.  We need to keep working to identify why this inequality exists - or alternatively just allow it to continue.  I know which I prefer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Monday, March 30, 2015, 19:15:20
And apologies - the grammar in that last post is awful.  I'm tired.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OrangeTransits on Monday, March 30, 2015, 19:42:59
But why are there so few black candidates?  

Here are some figures that explain the Answer.

Firstly 2011 Race Census Figures.

Ethnic group   2011 population   2011%
White: Total   55,010,359   87.1
Gypsy/Traveller/ Irish Traveller: Total   63,193   0.1
Asian or Asian British: Indian   1,451,862   2.3
Asian or Asian British: Pakistani   1,174,983   1.9
Asian or Asian British: Bangladeshi   451,529   0.7
Asian or Asian British: Chinese   433,150   0.7
Asian or Asian British: Other Asian   861,815   1.4
Asian or Asian British: Total   4,373,339   6.9
Black or Black British: Total   1,904,684   3.0
Mixed Multiple: Total   1,250,229   2.0
Other Ethnic Group: Total   580,374   0.9
Total   63,182,178   100


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OrangeTransits on Monday, March 30, 2015, 19:45:33
So 3% of population of UK Black / Black British.

Out of 92 Clubs there are 2 black I think.

1 more and there will be 3%+ Black Managers. 2 More and there will be over 4%.

Will people be shouting there are 2 many black managers if that happens. Probably not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, March 30, 2015, 20:56:46
So 3% of population of UK Black / Black British.

Out of 92 Clubs there are 2 black I think.

1 more and there will be 3%+ Black Managers. 2 More and there will be over 4%.

Will people be shouting there are 2 many black managers if that happens. Probably not.
But black professional footballers in England must be a lot greater than 3% of the total. Assuming that most coaches / managers are former professional players, then the number of current black coaches / managers is probably way down on what could be expected.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 30, 2015, 21:24:18
But black professional footballers in England must be a lot greater than 3% of the total. Assuming that most coaches / managers are former professional players, then the number of current black coaches / managers is probably way down on what could be expected.
What percentage of white British ex footballer's are professional managers?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 30, 2015, 21:35:05
Percentages are ridiculous, it's not like there should be a quota of who does what.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 30, 2015, 21:40:22
Percentages are ridiculous, it's not like there should be a quota of who does what.
What percentage of posters think that percentages are ridiculous?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 30, 2015, 21:56:13
Depends what percentage anewer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 22:37:13
The program those quotes come from is currently on ITV4. He has spent half of it bleating on about racism and it hasn't got as far as his management career yet


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 22:56:01
Not watching it. Who has been racist to him?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 23:13:29
Football and society as a whole.

Fair enough on the basis of the abuse he receivced while playing but fuck me he knows how to milk the victim role


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 23:16:02
Not watching it. Who has been racist to him?

Not watching, but the bananas thrown at him in the 80's weren't great.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 23:39:37
I've been the victim of racism, and it's shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 07:27:00
I've been the victim of racism, and it's shit.

So you're saying racism....is a bad thing??  :jawdrop:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 12:49:01
Bolton...Debt increases to £172.9m...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32138946


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 12:50:02
Bolton...Debt increases to £172.9m...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32138946

Cheats.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 13:01:07
Bolton...Debt increases to £172.9m...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32138946
Just how much do you have to owe to fail the financial fair play rules? Fucking hilarious


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 13:07:18
Bolton are a big club with a nice newish ground and in the Championship yet still ran up smaller (half a million less) yearly operating debts that the 82ers did last season...yet thier fans STILL think they are not spending much on players and wages.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 13:16:59
Just how much do you have to owe to fail the financial fair play rules? Fucking hilarious

Don't think it covers total debt at all to my knowledge, only yearly losses.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 13:18:49
Looks to me that they've done a pretty damn good job reducing debts by £41m in a single year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 13:23:39
Looks to me that they've done a pretty damn good job reducing debts by £41m in a single year.

Reducing new debts.

They lost 50m last year, 9m this year. Clearly an improvement, but they're still losing £9m per year and have a total debt of approximately 15 times that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 13:29:38
Reducing new debts.

They lost 50m last year, 9m this year. Clearly an improvement, but they're still losing £9m per year and have a total debt of approximately 15 times that.

Decent step in the right direction. Should improve again next year if they offload more old contracts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 14:10:38
This is just weird!

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshire/news/720243-former-leeds-united-md-lodges-human-trafficking-case-from-dubai-prison.html?news_section=54011


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 14:55:04
Decent step in the right direction. Should improve again next year if they offload more old contracts.

Maybe they should just offload Gartside...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 4, 2015, 08:30:06
Bournemouth paying Kenwyne Jones 36k a week 👀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, April 4, 2015, 18:12:58
Football clubs allowing drums in grounds...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 14:21:31
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/15/bradford-fire-stafford-heginbotham-martin-fletcher  :eek:

Nothing conclusive, yet still pretty damning stuff.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 14:31:55
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/15/bradford-fire-stafford-heginbotham-martin-fletcher  :eek:

Nothing conclusive, yet still pretty damning stuff.
Thats fucking shocking if indeed is true.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 20:12:53
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040467/Sol-Campbell-stars-white-hard-hitting-campaign-black-Britons-voting.html



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 20:23:24
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040467/Sol-Campbell-stars-white-hard-hitting-campaign-black-Britons-voting.html



Pfft. 30 Rock did this ages ago...

(http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/30-rock-season-1-19-corporate-crush-thomas-jefferson-movie-tracy-morgan.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 08:34:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31970841

It's not the colour of your skin, it's because you are not good enough.

I understand Racism does still exist unfortunately, but not as much as it used to.

End of the day, if you are good enough to manage England then you will.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 08:40:11
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040467/Sol-Campbell-stars-white-hard-hitting-campaign-black-Britons-voting.html



Surely choosing to vote or not is a personal issue, an advertising campaign wouldn't get me to change my mind. I personally have little faith in politics.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 08:50:18
Saying that, no wonder Iain Dowie never got another management job...
https://vine.co/v/euQLUieFUvw?utm_source=Mr+Hyde&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5574527_MH+160415


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 09:08:07
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31970841

It's not the colour of your skin, it's because you are not good enough.

I understand Racism does still exist unfortunately, but not as much as it used to.

End of the day, if you are good enough to manage England then you will.
Brian Clough


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 10:15:16
Another biting story, but this time a lower-league player.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32327506 (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32327506)

What's so wrong about this for me though isn't the biting itself (dreadful though that is etc.) but that the Dag & Red player gets a six-month ban for a second offence, which at that end of the FL might end his professional career, while "banker" Luis Suarez got 7 games, then 10 games, then 4 months for his third offence. It's the apparently make-it-up-as-you-go-along random decision-making processes that enrage fans so much.

Is it really beyond the collective wit of the FL, the FA, UEFA or even FIFA to put together a rulebook with consistent and transparent penalties to fit each crime, plus or minus mitigating/aggravating circumstances?

You know, like proper legal systems do?  :crash:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 10:22:47
This geezer aint a superstar though. There is your answer


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 10:26:18
This geezer aint a superstar though. There is your answer

Precisely what's wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 10:39:45
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31970841

It's not the colour of your skin, it's because you are not good enough.

I understand Racism does still exist unfortunately, but not as much as it used to.

End of the day, if you are good enough to manage England then you will.

The thing that gets me, is that about 87% of the UK is white. If you take that into consideration, the figures really aren't as damning as everyone likes to make out.

I really can't believe that any chairman would overlook a qualified black manager in favour of a white one, and I think it would be wrong (and in fact, even more racist) to choose a candidate BECAUSE they are black. It's an insult to the candidate. It's a results driven business with severe financial consequences, the best choice must always be made.

I'm not saying racism doesnt exist, it clearly does, but I wish people would stop making an issue out of something that isn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 10:48:48
Quote
John Barnes says black managers don't get many second chances

Except you did, didn't you John.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 17, 2015, 07:47:10
Blatter likened to Jesus & Mandela http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32342080


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2015, 08:05:02
The thing that gets me, is that about 87% of the UK is white.
But over 25% of professional footballers are black. And that doesn't translate anywhere near into 25% of professional managers/coaches. Not saying that's solely because of racism but if you're going to throw figures around, at least use (slightly more) relevant ones.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 17, 2015, 08:13:03
But over 25% of professional footballers are black. And that doesn't translate anywhere near into 25% of professional managers/coaches. Not saying that's solely because of racism but if you're going to throw figures around, at least use (slightly more) relevant ones.

How many of those are foreign nationals who go on to remain in Britain after their playing careers? Stats can mean anything you want.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2015, 08:25:16
How many of those are foreign nationals who go on to remain in Britain after their playing careers? Stats can mean anything you want.
I know, that was (kind of) my point. Throwing a "FACT!" into a discussion without the relevant context blurs rather than clarifies. And you're right, btw, whether those players wish to pursue a coaching career in England is a very relevant part of the context as will be a host of other factors, many of which will be overlooked until this is investigated and discussed properly. Which it isn't at the moment as it's just a polarised debate being characterised as the John Barnes/Sol Campbell whinging on the one hand  vs the "Shut up whinging, you're just shit and there's no problem with racism any more" ostriches with their heads in the sand and their fingers in the ear on the other.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 17, 2015, 09:23:27
Do you genuinely believe that institutional racism is preventing black managers getting jobs?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 09:40:05
Do you genuinely believe that institutional racism is preventing black managers getting jobs?
Careful, when I said exactly the same thing Ref Frog called me a racist.

I personally think its not racism its ability, but thats just me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, April 17, 2015, 09:40:32
Do you genuinely believe that institutional racism is preventing black managers getting jobs?

In a world where people like Sepp Blatter are in charge of Football's largest governing body, I don't think it's ridiculous to count it out.

Blatter likened to Jesus & Mandela http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32342080
(http://i.giphy.com/iQEOg3zGJBXLa.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 17, 2015, 10:02:17
Why does this alleged racism not apply to Chris Hughton? It's almost as if his race has nothing to do with it, but rather he gets jobs because he's good at his job. Fancy that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2015, 11:00:51
Do you genuinely believe that institutional racism is preventing black managers getting jobs?
I have no idea. As I've made quite clear, I don't think the whole issue has been properly investigated well enough to allow a discussion to even take place. Mainly because it keeps getting framed in questions like this. Tbh, I suspect that the whole way football recruits is more at issue than racism per se (although there probably are individual cases of racial prejudice), as it's still way too much based on an Old Boy Network and "who you know".

A better question than looking at how many black players become managers would be how many become coaches, because that's the pathway. Is the pathway blocked at player-> coaches or coaches-> managers? And if so, in either case, why?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Friday, April 17, 2015, 11:10:49
Based on no evidence at all I suspect that football is no more racist than society in general and just like society, there is racism. I find it difficult to believe that it is as prevalent as some are suggesting.

That is my ill informed opinion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, April 17, 2015, 12:27:40
Based on no evidence at all I suspect that football is no more racist than society in general and just like society, there is racism. I find it difficult to believe that it is as prevalent as some are suggesting.

That is my ill informed opinion.
I concur with your ill informed opinion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 12:29:20
I concur with your ill informed opinion.
I concur with your concurred opinion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, April 17, 2015, 13:06:55
I also concur.

I do wonder how many actually go on to get their badges though. And besides, there's a reason why Barnes and Ince don't get jobs, they're moaning shit cunts who're proven to be fucking crap.

I believe racism exists, but I also believe the colour of someone's skin wouldn't stop them becoming a manager. I think a lot of chairman would employ a disabled Nigerian lesbian openly known to have dabbled in a spot of murder and rape if it got his team promoted into "The Best League in the World™".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 17, 2015, 13:58:17
Conkers - do people still play that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:06:21
Careful, when I said exactly the same thing Ref Frog called me a racist.

I personally think its not racism its ability, but thats just me.

Well, I don't want to do this whole debate again, since I thought we'd done it to death last time,
http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217)
but I'm still uncomfortable with your (repeated) assertion that black footballers are only being denied jobs in management because only a very few have the ability. At best, from the regular insights we're given into the mentality of the football establishment, I'd say it's possible there is some racism involved.

What intrigues me more is why everyone always seems so keen to defend the consistently reputable, upstanding football establishment against these repeated claims of racism.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:13:33
Well, I don't want to do this whole debate again, since I thought we'd done it to death last time,
http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217)
but I'm still uncomfortable with your (repeated) assertion that black footballers are only being denied jobs in management because only a very few have the ability. At best, from the regular insights we're given into the mentality of the football establishment, I'd say it's possible there is some racism involved.
So by me suggesting that very few have the ability to manage is me being a racist...ok then good reasoning.

I think very few WHITE ex footballers make good managers does that also make me racist against white people? I will never forget you calling me a racist even if you wish to brush it under the carpet. I am far from racist and do not take kindly to you calling me one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:19:54

What intrigues me more is why everyone always seems so keen to defend the consistently reputable, upstanding football establishment against these repeated claims of racism.

Perhaps, maybe, because the claims appear to be bullshit?

Can you name a single out of work black manager that should be in a job? If not, do you not think that perhaps, maybe, their race has nothing to do with it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:21:52
So by me suggesting that very few have the ability to manage is me being a racist...ok then good reasoning.

I think very few WHITE ex footballers make good managers does that also make me racist against white people? I will never forget you calling me a racist even if you wish to brush it under the carpet. I am far from racist and do not take kindly to you calling me one.

Racism is a complex issue....it's entirely possible to be racist without realising, and without intention.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:34:12
Racism is a complex issue....it's entirely possible to be racist without realising, and without intention.
That is true and also racism can be accused simply by how people interpret things in their own mind.

Perhaps, maybe, because the claims appear to be bullshit?

Can you name a single out of work black manager that should be in a job? If not, do you not think that perhaps, maybe, their race has nothing to do with it?
This is how I feel also, a shit manager is a shit manager no matter what his race.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:34:27
Perhaps, maybe, because the claims appear to be bullshit?

Can you name a single out of work black manager that should be in a job? If not, do you not think that perhaps, maybe, their race has nothing to do with it?

OK, I'll be offline after this, and I knew I probably shouldn't have bitten again, so very quickly:

I don't think the problem is at the level of an out-of-work black manager - there aren't very many to choose from, but if they've been given their chance, that proves that someone hasn't been racist in appointing them, and the good ones will get more chances (as Barry says, clubs will overlook anything if they think they'll get success).

The issue seems to be lower down. I have read that the problem is in how few black players take and get through their badges, and I just won't accept that's because they're collectively less able.

I just don't understand why everyone gets so up-in-arms whenever a black player even raises this issue. I must have much less confidence than you do in football people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:37:12
So by me suggesting that very few have the ability to manage is me being a racist...ok then good reasoning.

I think very few WHITE ex footballers make good managers does that also make me racist against white people? I will never forget you calling me a racist even if you wish to brush it under the carpet. I am far from racist and do not take kindly to you calling me one.

I thought I was addressing it, rather than brushing it under the carpet. Don't suppose it will make a difference to you, but I said I thought your underlying assumption was racist. Not you as a person, who I'm not qualified to judge. We all make slips.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:39:07
The issue seems to be lower down. I have read that the problem is in how few black players take and get through their badges, and I just won't accept that's because they're collectively less able.
Nobody has suggest that they are COLLECTIVELY less able, that came from in your interpretation of the statements, its just that often the ones that shout the loudest about being victimized (Ince, Barnes etc) are INDIVIDUALLY less able.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:39:49


I just don't understand why everyone gets so up-in-arms whenever a black player even raises this issue. I must have much less confidence than you do in football people

We don't get up in arms, we just call call bullshit.

We hear racism this and racism that and even get criticised for not getting objecting about alleged racism in football, yet nobody can give an example of when it has actually happened. Why should people believe in something and even act upon anything when it can even be shown that it is actually a problem?

If people want others to object to this alleged racism then they should stop waffling and give us something to object to. "Because Sol Campbell/John Barnes says so" just doesn't cut it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:42:52
Surely, it is up to any ex footballer, black or white, if he wants to go for his coaching badges or not.

If people are saying black footballers don't bother because they think 'racism' will prevent them from getting a job afterwards, then I say that's bollocks.

If you don't buy a ticket you can't win the raffle.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:43:02
Oh and I think JFH is doing a great job at Burton and he could with a good tail wind be one of the more successful managers of other ethnic backgrounds.

I was a little disappointed that we didn't appoint him when Cooper got the job after he applied as he always came accross as one of the more intelligent and well educated ex footballers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:46:58
Chris Ramsey is an interesting case....he's been around a long time and is clearly a decent coach. I wonder if he's applied for manager's jobs, or just has been happy to do the coaching, the two are not necessarily the same.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:53:41
Rambo is another very educated ex pro and did his due dilligence learning his badges and managing at schoolboy/youth/academy/U21 level to get where he is through hard work.

He has also been coach and assistant manager in various countries (USA and Malta) building up his experience rather than just saying that because he is an ex pro then he has some kind of right of passage to become a manager...it doesn't work like that.

Chris was obviously a man of talent that was spotted fairly early by him being appointed England U20 manager/head coach in 98, he must have shown some ability to those in the know back then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 17, 2015, 19:24:25
Well, I don't want to do this whole debate again, since I thought we'd done it to death last time,
http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217)
but I'm still uncomfortable with your (repeated) assertion that black footballers are only being denied jobs in management because only a very few have the ability. At best, from the regular insights we're given into the mentality of the football establishment, I'd say it's possible there is some racism involved.

What intrigues me more is why everyone always seems so keen to defend the consistently reputable, upstanding football establishment against these repeated claims of racism.

Not defending anyone; there is almost certainly some racism going on. I just don't believe it's institutional.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 14:16:02
Not sure this has been posted on here, apologies if it has, but it disgusts me.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/17/blackpool-fan-20000-oystons-threaten-court-online-post


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 14:27:16
I have read that the problem is in how few black players take and get through their badges, and I just won't accept that's because they're collectively less able.
So what do you think is the reason for this then? There is quite literally nothing to stop them doing this apart from the fact that they simply don't want to is there?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pete on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 14:42:00
Not sure this has been posted on here, apologies if it has, but it disgusts me.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/17/blackpool-fan-20000-oystons-threaten-court-online-post

That really is a disgrace. I hope the old boy gets the support from his fellow fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 14:43:02
That really is a disgrace. I hope the old boy gets the support from his fellow fans.

it is an utter disgrace....the tans brothers could be in for some hefty fines ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 15:07:58
The club is a joke. Soul being ripped out of it. Less than 4000 have turned up to their games recently, despite what official attendances might tell you.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 16:08:42
it is an utter disgrace....the tans brothers could be in for some hefty fines ;)

:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, April 20, 2015, 06:44:41
Eddie Howe named Football League manager of the decade.

Really?????

Oh and Joe Garner beat Luke Freeman to player of the season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 20, 2015, 08:34:58
When is the L1 team of the year announced? Though I'm not sure if anyone but Mass will get in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, April 20, 2015, 08:47:35
PFA Awards i think


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 20, 2015, 13:54:49
That really is a disgrace. I hope the old boy gets the support from his fellow fans.

He has done - they've raised the full £20k within 3 days:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/20/blackpool-fans-target-20000-legal-fees


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 08:15:36
Jordan Henderson likely to get a £100,000-a-week 5-year deal:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32391590


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 21:09:05
I hope there's a legitimate reason for this. It's cruel otherwise.

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/blackpool-fc/mystery-over-morty-statue-removal-1-7233939


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 11:23:35
Arsenal apparently about to spend the same amount as Ipswich have spent in transfer fees on their entire first team to sign an 11-year old from Luton

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11572845/Arsenal-transfer-news-and-rumours-Gunners-favourites-to-sign-11-year-old-Luton-wonderkid-Charlie-Patino.html

Apart from the whole "big clubs bulldozing everyone else's youth development systems with their chequebooks" aspect, don't imagine the weight of expectation will do the kid any favours either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 11:38:10
The amount of these so called young superkids who ever get near reaching their so called potential is pretty low.

That Norwegian 16 year old on the bench for Real last night will probably be the next Freddy Adu


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 16:43:29
Arsenal have more problems with young players - or more specifically their mothers!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32537420


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 20:14:27
What's wrong with football parents #2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32541415


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 20:38:19
"They also have a younger sister called Trezeguet after the French player David"

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 2, 2015, 14:35:13
Blackpool.

Final game currently on hold after 48 minutes, as the fans are currently staging a sit down protest.

EDIT : Match now abandoned.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, May 2, 2015, 14:37:03
Blackpool.

Final game currently on hold after 48 minutes, as the fans are currently staging a sit down protest.

EDIT : Match now abandoned.

Loved the bloke in his mobility scooter joining in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Sunday, May 3, 2015, 10:25:50
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/11578118/Football-fans-to-be-breathalysed-before-matches.html

And the FA not bothered - what a surprise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 3, 2015, 10:32:30
According to this, just 4 pints would have stopped me seeing Cambridge United play

http://educalcool.qc.ca/en/facts-tips-and-tools/facts/drinking-driving-making-the-right-choice/#.VUXqtZOz5-U

Yet under John Beck, that would probably be the minimum needed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 3, 2015, 10:40:48
Yet under John Beck, that would probably be the minimum needed.
Remember under Hoddle in 91 in the FA cup 4th round, when we went to Cambridge, who at the time were managed by Beck and playing awful dull long ball football, and we played them off the park for a 3-0 win and the Cambridge fans were singing "we want football" after watching our silky passing side play them off the pitch.

It could have been 6-0 to us that day easily except for the Cambridge keeper Vaughan who played a blinder.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 13:13:23
Remember under Hoddle in 91 in the FA cup 4th round, when we went to Cambridge, who at the time were managed by Beck and playing awful dull long ball football, and we played them off the park for a 3-0 win and the Cambridge fans were singing "we want football" after watching our silky passing side play them off the pitch.

It could have been 6-0 to us that day easily except for the Cambridge keeper Vaughan who played a blinder.
One goal scored by a semi-conscious Calderwood.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 13:41:35
Song sheets that are handed out at New York City games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEJzIjiWoAAtYFn.jpg)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 13:43:36
The lyrics to "NYC Clap" are particularly thoughtful, although they don't quite cover the STI issues that the title raises.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 13:45:43
"But we don't give a crud"

Brilliant!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 13:56:52
**** Songs not included on this list may still be sung during the game ****


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 14:01:58
**** Songs not included on this list may still be sung during the game ****

That's easily the best bit. I'm not quite sure if it's intended to give permission, or to avoid shock if some deviant sings something not on the sheet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pete on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 17:11:33
Blimey. That song sheet looks like the sort of thing Franchise would do for it's customers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 20:02:43
Dunno if I want our club to succeed at all costs.  Muffs gamble has paid off with the windfall from the new tv deal, but their 15m loss to get from league 1 to championship was followed by 10m loss to stay in the championship.

25m over 2 years with accumulated losses of 30m and 25m of loans from the russian, some of which are at 3%

Be interesting to see this years losses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32611521


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 20:06:28
Very susceptible to political 'incidents' which could cause the Russki to fuck off as quick as Black did.

But faint heart never fucked a pig


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 21:35:04
Dunno if I want our club to succeed at all costs.  Muffs gamble has paid off with the windfall from the new tv deal, but their 15m loss to get from league 1 to championship was followed by 10m loss to stay in the championship.

25m over 2 years with accumulated losses of 30m and 25m of loans from the russian, some of which are at 3%

Be interesting to see this years losses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32611521

All hail plucky little Bournemouth.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 21:38:55
I hate all this arse speak, why not just say, "we took a gamble and got promoted"?

"However, the directors are confident that this risk is minimal based on the ongoing commitment from its investors and recent positive developments within the business, which demonstrates the successful outputs resulting from the investment


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 21:39:55
Dunno if I want our club to succeed at all costs.  Muffs gamble has paid off with the windfall from the new tv deal, but their 15m loss to get from league 1 to championship was followed by 10m loss to stay in the championship.

25m over 2 years with accumulated losses of 30m and 25m of loans from the russian, some of which are at 3%

Be interesting to see this years losses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32611521

Be interesting to see if they break FFP for this season, especially when you consider that QPR are supposed to pay a £50m fine to the Football League for them breaking FFP rules when they were last in the FL.

How much were they paying Kenwyne Jones? £35k a week?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 21:41:32
Cardiff were paying him that, Bmuff would have paid a not inconsiderable percentage though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 06:31:40
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32611521

But its a fairytale right, i know they'll get tv rights so that loss wont be noticed.

I so hope those cunts go bust eventually, wankers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 08:37:57
I've a hunch that their Russian is going to do a Karl Oyston.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 08:39:00
I've a hunch that their Russian is going to do a Karl Oyston.

That'll take some beating.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 10:22:32
fingers crossed, fucking despise that club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 14:11:43
Football fans just love to hate  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 11, 2015, 14:02:08
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32689097

Just pleased this isn't us, with our record with the FA we would be looking at the ground being closed for 6 months and demotion to division 4!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 11, 2015, 14:36:42
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32689097

Just pleased this isn't us, with our record with the FA we would be looking at the ground being closed for 6 months and demotion to division 4!

I wonder if it was PNEThor?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 00:54:17
Heard some football journalist on radio 5 saying the classic line 'Its a short career' about Sterling.

Yeah 30 years ago, its a short career, lets try to make sure we're all secure and safe in what is a very long retirement, but now?  Raheem Sterling?  Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: arkellsboi on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 12:44:44
Elitism in the media. Chelsea v West Brom dead rubber talked up more than exciting, meaningful third division football. Boring Premier League summer transfer speculation considered more worthy of reportage than impending return of Middlesbrough or Norwich to the top flight. Barcelona winning La Liga emphasised over Conference play-off final. Big four/five obsession. Fawning over the same players.

Bollocks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:46:15
Raheem Sterling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:14:40
Raheem Sterling.
Very much this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:18:29
Sterling says he's upset that the details of talks have been leaked to the media. I wouldn't be surprised that the details were leaked by his agent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:20:05
And talking of agents, I see Yaya Toure's agent has been doing his annual shit stirring.

I wonder if his birthday cake was big enough this year, or it was the incorrect type of cake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:22:18
And talking of agents, I see Yaya Toure's agent has been doing his annual shit stirring.

I wonder if his birthday cake was big enough this year, or it was the incorrect type of cake.
What, like a wedding cake?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:27:38
What, like a wedding cake?

I was thinking along the lines of getting a sponge cake instead of a chocolate cake, but if you know something that I don't know...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:27:52
Not sure if this is wrong as such, but I am glad that the defender is taking some action. It just seems out of order for the striker to make some of the comments she has made, although possibly shows the top players disappearing up their own arse is not limited to the male game.

Tackle doesn't look that bad from the replay.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32786892


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:33:27
from that angle I can't see why it was even a red. penalty yes, but ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 15:35:42
Last woman?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 18:58:03
Looking at the photo, no part of Abby Holmes body is in contact with the pitch. Kelly Smiths right ankle is folded over and the inside of her foot is flat on the pitch. Looks like an airborn diving in lunge.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 21, 2015, 15:45:42
This... although I cannot disagree with his description of Jamie Carragher...

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/raheem-sterlings-agent-aidy-ward-confirms-star-wants-to-leave-liverpool-900000aweek-would-not-keep-him-at-anfield-10266233.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2015, 18:53:02
This... although I cannot disagree with his description of Jamie Carragher...

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/raheem-sterlings-agent-aidy-ward-confirms-star-wants-to-leave-liverpool-900000aweek-would-not-keep-him-at-anfield-10266233.html
He's also the agent for Berahino who's also engaged in similar "I'm too big for this club despite barely being out of nappies" antics, so this would appear to be his standard MO. If I were either Sterling or Berahino, I'd be very worried that my agent was apparently so thin-skinned that he'd now become part of the "story" and I'd be having severe doubts as to whether he could indeed pull off the big money move both have so obviously been promised. Strikes me whatever you think of Carragher he's got nothing on this idiot when it comes to being a knob.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, May 21, 2015, 19:26:02
No one saw this coming. How long until Blatter's the only candidate?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32826308


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, May 22, 2015, 09:35:27
No one saw this coming. How long until Blatter's the only candidate?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32826308

They're all withdrawing to concentrate opposition votes on a single candidate. However, the maths haven't changed, and Blatter will continue to command enough corrupt votes from corrupt associations to ensure the whole corrupt charabanc rolls on. If only he'd just die.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 22, 2015, 10:14:56
They're all withdrawing to concentrate opposition votes on a single candidate. However, the maths haven't changed, and Blatter will continue to command enough corrupt votes from corrupt associations to ensure the whole corrupt charabanc rolls on. If only he'd just die.
Really the only way this will end is for him to die. Or be murdered. I wouldn't put it above the whole sorry situation that he comes to an 'accident'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, May 22, 2015, 10:22:03
Really the only way this will end is for him to die. Or be murdered. I wouldn't put it above the whole sorry situation that he comes to an 'accident'.

But the General Secretary, Jerome Valcke, will probably be his heir, and don't forget this is the guy who was sacked by FIFA after a US court found him to be lying in a legal case involving Mastercard, costing FIFA $60m...only to come back 6 months later with a better job !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A9r%C3%B4me_Valcke


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 22, 2015, 10:29:12
But the General Secretary, Jerome Valcke, will probably be his heir, and don't forget this is the guy who was sacked by FIFA after a US court found him to be lying in a legal case involving Mastercard, costing FIFA $60m...only to come back 6 months later with a better job !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A9r%C3%B4me_Valcke
I was thinking some kind of a plane accident where all the fuckers go up in one fell swoop. And we can watch them burn. And draw an end to the whole sorry state of affairs where the game we love is being used as a milch cow for a bunch of rich, selfish cunts.

But that's just me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 22, 2015, 10:34:59
I was thinking some kind of a plane accident where all the fuckers go up in one fell swoop. And we can watch them burn. And draw an end to the whole sorry state of affairs where the game we love is being used as a milch cow for a bunch of rich, selfish cunts.
That's going to have to be one big old plane then, if it's going to fit in most of FIFA, all the Premier League officials and club owners/execs, Sky, UEFA, the Russian Mafia, the royal families of Qatar, UAE etc etc


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, May 22, 2015, 11:13:09
Really the only way this will end is for him to die. Or be murdered. I wouldn't put it above the whole sorry situation that he comes to an 'accident'.

It's what crowdfunding was made for...


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 22, 2015, 14:35:16
That's going to have to be one big old plane then, if it's going to fit in most of FIFA, all the Premier League officials and club owners/execs, Sky, UEFA, the Russian Mafia, the royal families of Qatar, UAE etc etc
Maybe they could be holding a meeting somewhere and a plane crashes into it?

I am adding a disclaimer to say that this would be a horrible thing to happen. Awful.

(hello terrorism squad)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 23, 2015, 13:54:18
Karl Oyston is on the board of directors of The Football League.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 09:22:07
The Club's £15M contribution to the conversion cost of £272M.   :eek:

Nice work, if you can get it!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33214058


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 16:56:39
They are also signed up to a 99 year lease at £2.5m per year, so a total liability of £262.5m and Athletics will still be possible in the stadium vs. the original plan to scale down to a 25k stadium which would host nothing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 17:00:33
Kiddie at work is a hammer ST holder

Their ST prices have been dropped 20% iirc starting that move season.
Makes a change to see a club give something back


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 17:02:17
 Boss Gareth Southgate says a Sweden player calling England "overrated" will motivate his side in Sunday's European Under-21 Championship Group B game.

Sweden left-back Ludwig Augustinsson said England's players are "a bit more expensive than what they are worth".

Southgate, whose side could be eliminated with a defeat, said: "I believe those quotes have been posted next to the meal room.

"It is interesting when the opposition make comments about your squad."

----------

but the dude is correct, English players are over-priced & over-rated


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 18:33:08
Kiddie at work is a hammer ST holder

Their ST prices have been dropped 20% iirc starting that move season.
Makes a change to see a club give something back

Is it not a question that they've been gifted a large stadium by the taxpayer that would be seriously under capacity at existing prices?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 18:42:33
coupled with another massive hike in TV revenue


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 19:43:07
Is it not a question that they've been gifted a large stadium by the taxpayer that would be seriously under capacity at existing prices?

coupled with another massive hike in TV revenue

Both valid points
But imagine the majority of prem clubs would have kept the high prices despite the above truths


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 19:48:43
Anybody have a clue as to what sort of % of a PL club's turnover is down to ticket sales?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 21:43:24
Rio Ferdinand having a pop that English footballers are over priced.

Oh the irony.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 21:55:31
Rio Ferdinand having a pop that English footballers are over priced.

Oh the irony.
Given Rios previous presumably just the white ones are overpriced


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, June 22, 2015, 06:24:40
Anybody have a clue as to what sort of % of a PL club's turnover is down to ticket sales?

Don't know, Arsenal allegedly have around 50k ST holders
Dearest is over a grand so even allowing for concessions got to be in excess of £25 million a year.


Add in TV money and sponsorship  :eek:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, June 22, 2015, 10:22:05
I was just thinking that as ticket sales fall as a % of overall income - cos of TV money - it would be nice if clubs reduced their ST prices by the same amount.

Never happen, I know


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 05:28:55
Anybody have a clue as to what sort of % of a PL club's turnover is down to ticket sales?
Think a club like Arsenal with 60k high price seats every week gets nor far off tv money from "match day" sales, prob. Inc programmes, catering etc (£100 m. v £140m. ?) - sponsorship and other commercial might be about £60m.

More normal premiership clubs probably get about 5 x their match day takings in tv money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 09:03:37
I was just thinking that as ticket sales fall as a % of overall income - cos of TV money - it would be nice if clubs reduced their ST prices by the same amount.

Never happen, I know
It just means they're less reliant on fans so treat them even worse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 09:53:11
No-one comes close to matching South America for cheating.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/edinson-cavani-sentoff-after-gonzalo-jara-appears-to-poke-his-backside-during-uruguays-10-copa-america-defeat-to-chile-10343914.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/edinson-cavani-sentoff-after-gonzalo-jara-appears-to-poke-his-backside-during-uruguays-10-copa-america-defeat-to-chile-10343914.html)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 09:55:13
What? Even us?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 09:55:46
So Cavani gets a finger up the poochute and ends up getting sent off? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 10:01:27
So Cavani gets a finger up the poochute and ends up getting sent off? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Did you see the video? He didn't seem to feel that was anything to react about, but the other bloke just took a dive anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 10:02:23
Yeah ive just seen it. Appaling playacting!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 10:05:47
He smelt his finger, then passed out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, July 4, 2015, 17:40:51
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jose-holebas-denies-signing-for-watford-24-hours-after-club-announce-his-arrival-10364930.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 6, 2015, 10:18:59
Oyston at Blackpool.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/league-one-introducing-britains-version-sepp-blatter-074237828--sow.html

Quote
This week the current chairman was investigated by police after he was accused of flourishing a firearm in the direction of a not surprisingly distressed supporter of the club. Police decided that there was not sufficient evidence to charge Karl Oyston, but the incident was neatly symbolic: this is chairman at war with his own supporters. Or at least, that dwindling band of diehards who have remained loyal to the club in the face of his appalling behaviour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, July 12, 2015, 18:58:24
£50m for Raheem Sterling.

Overrated.As.Fuck.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, July 12, 2015, 19:37:35
£50m for Raheem Sterling.

Overrated.As.Fuck.

Nice payday for QPR with a 20% sell-on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 13, 2015, 09:43:55
£50m for Raheem Sterling.

Overrated.As.Fuck.

http://newsthump.com/2015/07/13/raheem-sterling-transfer-replaces-hatton-garden-raid-as-britains-biggest-robbery/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, July 13, 2015, 09:55:45
£50m for Raheem Sterling.

Overrated.As.Fuck.

And his agent picking up his 10%...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, July 13, 2015, 10:02:30
I think we've seen the best of Raheem already. He'll now fade into obscurity and be just another promising player who didn't fulfil his potential.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, July 13, 2015, 10:07:58
£9 million for QPR, too from their sell-on clause


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 13, 2015, 10:33:53
Sterling could be a very good player for England, not Messi-esque but decent. OF course, he could also go the way of Lennon, SWP or David Bentley, all of whom were the next big thing for a year or two.

£49m is a huge amount of money to any normal person but to Sheikh Mansour it's chump change. Commenting on this deal against the background of football finance in general at this stage is just like noting one particular turd in a tsunami of excrement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, July 13, 2015, 11:02:07
Weird how everyone seems to forget that Raheem Sterling is a bloody good player.

HUGE pressure on him now though, but he'll give City an extra push to challenge Chelsea next year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 17, 2015, 18:13:56
Just a minor thing, but...
Quote
Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ  6m6 minutes ago
BREAKING: Sky Sources: Manchester United expect goalkeeper David De Gea to leave either this summer or next summer. #SSNHQ

Seriously?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 17, 2015, 18:14:24
But more importantly, WTF happened to Tails?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 17, 2015, 18:15:38
Just a minor thing, but...
Seriously?

Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ  6m6 minutes ago
BREAKING: Sky Sources: Costanza might go to Swindon Town's opening fixture versus Bradford City. Or he might not. #SSNHQ


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, July 22, 2015, 11:54:06
Quote from: France Football
Barcelona forward Lionel Messi received at least £2.4m in cash to lay a stone at a 2017 Africa Cup of Nations stadium in Gabon.  



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015, 12:44:50
But did he pay his tax on it !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 09:38:54
Talking of tax . . .

https://m.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2373552?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 09:41:37
Talking of tax . . .

https://m.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2373552?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 >:(   It's SUFC, not STFC, something wrong here, we haven't had a winding up order for several months.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 09:42:24
They've had more windings up, than a clockwork toy. Used to be quite amusing reading their board before they made it via registration only.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 19:22:21
A few pre-seasons ago a Shrimpers fan decided we were the 'team disliked most', in WSC I think, after we had 'bought our way out of the division', despite his own club's continual failings. I have a (very) mild dislike of them since.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 20:50:53
Brizzle being charged £39 for their opening game at Sheff Wed :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33642972


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 20:57:35
A few pre-seasons ago a Shrimpers fan decided we were the 'team disliked most', in WSC I think, after we had 'bought our way out of the division', despite his own club's continual failings. I have a (very) mild dislike of them since.

Yeah I've never liked them, far too up their own arses, that and the fake drum they played over the tannoy when we were last there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 12:05:39
Take your pick :

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33688426

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33684831


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 12:09:48
Take your pick :

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33688426

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33684831

And yet the FA, are still prepared to participate in the 2018 qualification when they know it is corrupt....which in my book makes them equally corrupt, but we knew this anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 12:39:39
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33735547

Umm, because you were found guilty of being a racist fuckwit Mr Scally?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: steveg on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 15:25:25
Women involved with football!! Can't get my head around it. It's like men doing all the cooking? Never in my world will it happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 17:06:07
I do all the cooking


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: steveg on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 17:40:38
A lot and I mean a LOT do the cooking. It was a pun and not a dig. Just believe women's football should not get so much exposure. It's not helping the real game at all .


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: steveg on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 17:44:45
This is my opinion by the way?! Don't want to offend our female species.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 18:14:57
This is my opinion by the way?! Don't want to offend our female species.

Sure looks like you do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 19:25:48
A lot and I mean a LOT do the cooking. It was a pun and not a dig. Just believe women's football should not get so much exposure. It's not helping the real game at all .

The 21st century just called mate. Were you not at home?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: steveg on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 19:28:24
The 21st century just called mate. Were you not at home?
[/quote

It sounds your complete then?

21st century haha!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 20:24:17
The 21st century just called mate. Were you not at home?
[/quote

It sounds your complete then?

21st century haha!

What does this mean?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 20:44:45
I'm lost on that one as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 21:11:18
A lot and I mean a LOT do the cooking. It was a pun and not a dig. Just believe women's football should not get so much exposure. It's not helping the real game at all .
I'm more than happy for it to get the exposure the Beeb are giving it. It may well just be a short-term vogue (I suspect the 'real game' may well have been seen negatively in its early years), but if it helps to reduce the number of potential sedentary lard-arse kids, all the better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 22:09:52
Was talking about womens football with a mate earlier today. Problem is its simply not as good as mens football. So what they should do is stop trying to copy the mens game, do things differently. Stuff that the mens game cant do.

Experiment with quarters? With no draws, penalty shoot out (or another new method leads to a winner in every game), sin bins. That kind of thing, encourage the viewer to tune in and watch, accting the game wont be as fast or technical as the mens.

Womens sport in general need to take a different approach as womens ashes, womens 6 nations, womens premier league, its all very unoriginal and is just a blatent attempt to use the mens history to try and get viewers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, August 2, 2015, 07:44:48
I do all the cooking

So do I.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: scollenstfc on Sunday, August 2, 2015, 07:51:20
The problem with Women's football is that the dream for promoters is for Women to start getting into the sport in a viewer capacity. The reality however is this just won't happen to the extent they would like in the short term and therefore it relies on Men showing an interest to promote the sport in the meantime. This is fine during pre season for an FA cup final or a world cup, but once the men's season starts, there really is no competition between the 2 both in terms of quality and excitement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, August 5, 2015, 13:41:22
FA take cash from Blackpool, but won't entertain compensating fans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33781942


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 11:24:34
RE: Women's Football. 

I'm sorry, but all those saying "why is it trying to be like the men's game (or the real game as you like to call it)" etc. This shows the same short sighted behaviour when the very sport you love started in the first place. It was amatuer, it was slow, the facilities were terrible, the pitches were shit (some still are). Women's football has every right to be as big as Men's if there is support from people around the World. The recent WWC had the most exposure of women's football since it turned pro.

 I personally think it's great and there is no reason why women's and men's football can't co-exist together. You know, like Athletics does, Tennis does, and so on.

Maybe once the last of the "real men" (*use obnoxious c*nts) who expect their dinner on the table, bed made, great sex and without a woman then nagging him, once the last of that generation have gone, we may see a more generational shift.

Accepting change isn't a bad thing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: EldeneRed on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 12:16:38
RE: Women's Football. 

I'm sorry, but all those saying "why is it trying to be like the men's game (or the real game as you like to call it)" etc. This shows the same short sighted behaviour when the very sport you love started in the first place. It was amatuer, it was slow, the facilities were terrible, the pitches were shit (some still are). Women's football has every right to be as big as Men's if there is support from people around the World. The recent WWC had the most exposure of women's football since it turned pro.

 I personally think it's great and there is no reason why women's and men's football can't co-exist together. You know, like Athletics does, Tennis does, and so on.

Maybe once the last of the "real men" (*use obnoxious c*nts) who expect their dinner on the table, bed made, great sex and without a woman then nagging him, once the last of that generation have gone, we may see a more generational shift.

Accepting change isn't a bad thing.

Exactly this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 13:08:36
todays bbc football headline: bristol player scores winner after 4,000 mile journey.

theres giving publicity then theres writing shit to force publicity. I cant wait to see the fifa (game) ratings on the womens team. be interesting to see where they rank individually compared to mens league players.

Quote
Maybe once the last of the "real men" (*use obnoxious c*nts) who expect their dinner on the table, bed made, great sex and without a woman then nagging him, once the last of that generation have gone, we may see a more generational shift.

this is the problem with any womens football debate. people like you consider it to be sexist not to care about their scores and news etc. attendances are no bigger than average conference teams yet the publicity in comparison is extremely different.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 13:12:21
this is the problem with any womens football debate. people like you consider it to be sexist not to care about their scores and news etc. attendances are no bigger than average conference teams yet the publicity in comparison is extremely different.

There's a difference between not caring and being actively hostile, which people are to women's sports in a way they simply aren't to men's sports they're not interested in. 30,000 people at the women's FA Cup final by the way, and 55,000 for the England ladies at Wembley last year. Things must have changed in the conference since I last looked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 13:14:50
I would have gone to the womens cup final if Id been free.  But then again I have 2 daughters so am rather more likely to be sympathetic towards womens sport.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 13:21:42
There's a difference between not caring and being actively hostile, which people are to women's sports in a way they simply aren't to men's sports they're not interested in. 30,000 people at the women's FA Cup final by the way, and 55,000 for the England ladies at Wembley last year. Things must have changed in the conference since I last looked.

Nationally I agree, I even watched some of the world cup my self. For individual clubs attendances the conference is a realistic bench mark. I stand by the view that the news stories being filled up on the main football page are not worthy of major footballing news.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ExiledEric on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 13:54:49
Exactly this.

+1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 14:31:57
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33780720

My Spurs supporting mate used to rant about how the Spurs bid was overlooked despite the cost to the tax payer being nil - I've no idea to how truthful he was, I don't care to be honest. What I do care about is why the fucking fuck West Ham get the stadium and us tax payers help the poor club pay for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 15:39:23

this is the problem with any womens football debate. people like you consider it to be sexist not to care about their scores and news etc. attendances are no bigger than average conference teams yet the publicity in comparison is extremely different.

Ok.....

Here's an article about the men's game attendances and a lot of it refers to the early part of the 1900s, you know, when football was either still semi-pro or just starting to turn pro. - http://talksport.com/node/24936

Here's an article about the history of men's football in general, it talks about it's roots in public schools and the unpopular choice to form a professional association. - https://paulrobertlloyd.com/articles/fcplc

You are probably more against it, because you are living in the time when it is evolving. It's threatening something you already enjoy, yet really you can enjoy it just the same as the men's version. There are benefits to this for all  ;D Just look a little deeper.

My comments never termed sexism. I was purely stating a generational attitude, which some of us are taught, some of us disregard and some of us grow out of and form our own measured view.

You can't really blame the media reports (of which I agree, some are pointless) on the sex of the sport played. We get silly reporting across the board and I don't think the BBC is the best example of media representation in sport. Hey ho, only my opinion. Also aren't we currently debating whether we need to know "How many crumbs of Birdseye Crispy Pancakes is retained in Lee Power's dinner shirt" (although now i'm intrigued to know) along with other stretched out journalism?

Finally here is an article (although 6 years old) bears some relevance to your attitude surrounding the popularity of the women's attendances - http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/sep/10/england-womens-football-team

Here's a couple of snippets if you can't be arsed to look.

"...Kerr's Ladies FC, a works factory team from Preston, drew a crowd of 53,000 on Boxing Day in 1920 to watch their game against St Helen's Ladies at Everton's Goodison Park stadium.."

"...And then, on 5 December 1921, the Football Association put an end to all that, banning women from playing on FA-affiliated pitches (effectively, all grounds with spectator facilities) with the assertion that "the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged". It is hard not to suspect this was, at least in part, a defensive move made by male officials who felt threatened by the success of their female counterparts. And so the women's game was allowed to wither on the vine, missing out on half a century of development while the men's leagues established ever stronger roots."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 16:51:45
It's threatening something you already enjoy

It really isn't.

Give it 6 months, the WWC will be forgotten and the sport will revert to its minority status. Attendances for the women's league here will be conference, at best, levels


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 23:24:31
It really isn't.

Give it 6 months, the WWC will be forgotten and the sport will revert to its minority status. Attendances for the women's league here will be conference, at best, levels

I say judge it in 20 years. Development of anything initially unpopular or against the grain always takes time. Do I have to go down the "Everyone told the Wright Brothers they would never succeed" type theories?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 23:44:12
The women's game will only ever compliment the men's equivalent but that would be a great achievement in its own right. The WSL summer move and the bigger clubs investing more has put England ladies in its current boom. The bigger clubs pull interest and it's over, again. I dare say it'll survive longer this time.

The old attendances are pretty meaningless for the here and now, especially those during post-war years. It was something of a novelty and nothing that was taken hugely seriously (not saying that attitude was right).

WSL just needs to keep doing its thing and do its best to ignore the inane comparisons to the men's game. USA is a great example where the women's game is popular but simply cannot maintain a professional set up without getting in to perennial financial difficulties.

Also, GB could really do with a women's team at the Olympics but, you know, we can't get along.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, August 7, 2015, 00:16:30
The women's game will only ever compliment the men's equivalent but that would be a great achievement in its own right. The WSL summer move and the bigger clubs investing more has put England ladies in its current boom. The bigger clubs pull interest and it's over, again. I dare say it'll survive longer this time.

The old attendances are pretty meaningless for the here and now, especially those during post-war years. It was something of a novelty and nothing that was taken hugely seriously (not saying that attitude was right).

WSL just needs to keep doing its thing and do its best to ignore the inane comparisons to the men's game. USA is a great example where the women's game is popular but simply cannot maintain a professional set up without getting in to perennial financial difficulties.

Also, GB could really do with a women's team at the Olympics but, you know, we can't get along.


Ironically though, it was actually the Football League that implemented the ban on women playing at proper stadia. For nearly 50 years. So we can really say it was irrelevant. If that had been implemented in the men's game for that long, attendances would also have suffered and some of the stadia today may not have been built.

Tbf Costanza, at least you made a case in a more diplomatic way. Fair game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, August 7, 2015, 00:45:05
Surely the whole point of the increased coverage is to increase attendances? So the "argument" that attendances in women's football are low so there shouldn't be so much coverage is missing the point..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, August 7, 2015, 00:53:44
I say judge it in 20 years. Development of anything initially unpopular or against the grain always takes time. Do I have to go down the "Everyone told the Wright Brothers they would never succeed" type theories?

People told Elmer, The Flying Monk he wouldn't succeed, but 900 years later the Wright brothers did....not everything happens overnight.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, August 7, 2015, 01:00:48
People told Elmer, The Flying Monk he wouldn't succeed, but 900 years later the Wright brothers did....not everything happens overnight.

You get my point I was referring to with Abrahammer though Reg. Just because something hasn't happened in "our time" doesn't mean it won't. If everyone took that view we would never have had pioneers and great feats of engineering, etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, August 7, 2015, 01:07:58
You get my point I was referring to with Abrahammer though Reg. Just because something hasn't happened in "our time" doesn't mean it won't. If everyone took that view we would never have had pioneers and great feats of engineering, etc.

It's always best to keep an open mind....unless it's about French footballers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 21:11:36
This new Football League Tonight program is utter shite.

Bring back Claridge all is forgiven


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 21:15:15
This new Football League Tonight program is utter shite.

Bring back Claridge all is forgiven

Its trying to be like Soccer AM. Also don't mix up the leagues. They showed Shef Wed v Bristol and then went on to show Gills v Sheff Utd! Hmmmm

I think it'll be ok, but they need to stop trying to be cool because they just look like cunts. Plus the guy looks like Jude Laws double. So makes him a double cunt!!

On a side not though, really enjoyed seeing Flint look well out of his depth haaha  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 21:17:18
It's a total mess!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 23:42:14
They are trying something different which is to be commended. For example - it clearly does not revolve around the Championship which is what the FL Show did.

Tonight was the first show and it's difficult. These things don't suddenly come together like magic. it takes time for the format and the presenters to bed in.

Give them a break for now -  Coverage of our game was pretty reasonable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 23:49:21
Agreed OST. Very easy to be overly critical.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 07:09:54
There was no Manish. That's good enough to start with...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hitchinred on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 07:45:46
George Riley struggled to separate his day job from the weekend one and said "five live" instead of just "5" quite early on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 08:09:02
The notion of FL highlights died when we lost our lower league darlings of Eddie Howe and Mark Warburton.

When they come back, I'll come back.

 ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 14:05:17
Why do fans clap whenever a player heads the ball back to the keeper as if it's some piece of enormous skill?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 15:17:29
That Sheff Utd away shirt - vomit inducing.

And we're going to have to see that in 3 weeks time...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 15:38:12
That Sheff Utd away shirt - vomit inducing.

And we're going to have to see that in 3 weeks time...

Noticed a few awful ones in the highlights.
3 or 4 pink ones
 :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 16:37:27
The bbc live thread giving a idiots air time. Apparently according to one twat if West Ham had lost today it was the beginning of the end for Bilic.

On a separate note Rip Ferdinand saying bevore the Man Utd match that 'not a lot is known about Romero'. He's being paid thousands to do that job and he thinks a world cup goalkeeper should be considered as some kind of unknown quantity.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 23:43:05
On a separate note Rip Ferdinand saying bevore the Man Utd match...

Is he related to Van Winkel?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Monday, August 10, 2015, 06:49:23
That Sheff Utd away shirt - vomit inducing.

And we're going to have to see that in 3 weeks time...

let's hope they play just as shitily then as well...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, August 10, 2015, 08:15:21
Leon 'I cried on the CG pitch' Clarke still claiming his goal 'bonus' for the walk-in goal against Donny.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 14, 2015, 22:18:17
(https://vangogh-fabrily.teespring.com/fabrily/mockup/94480/1/125/front.png?height=880&width=804)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 00:35:23
WTF
 :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 01:27:29
Is that real? I'm thinking it must be irony, but as I type I know 99% of people are that fucking thick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 06:51:03
FH Investigations presents . . .

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2015/07/bangkok-based-wolves-english-football.html?m=1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: cosmicdrifter on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 09:21:15
FH Investigations presents . . .

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2015/07/bangkok-based-wolves-english-football.html?m=1

interesting article, always thought there was something dodgy about Crawley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 09:43:44
TBH, you never really know what goes on at most clubs - until it's too late, of course.

We should know that better than most.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 09:57:02
It was always dodgy there, cant believe the FL/FA didn't investigate. Well I can actually. I remember the official address was a porta cabin at the end of Gatwick Runway, which really should have alerted someone. Interestingly the comments are from a month ago, so wonder what the latest is?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:10:37
Muff apparently going to spunk £70,000 a week paying Jermaine Defoe to become part of their relegation squad.

I can hear the buckets rattling again - hopefully


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:12:06
Muff apparently going to spunk £70,000 a week paying Jermaine Defoe to become part of their relegation squad.

I can hear the buckets rattling again - hopefully

I seem to remember Defoe playing for Bormuff....marked out of the game by Sol Davis.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:55:25
Muff apparently going to spunk £70,000 a week paying Jermaine Defoe to become part of their relegation squad.

I can hear the buckets rattling again - hopefully

Their local journo says otherwise


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:57:15
Don't let facts get in the way of giving Muff a shoeing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:58:40
FH Investigations presents . . .

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2015/07/bangkok-based-wolves-english-football.html?m=1

That site is blocked by my ISP. If somebody can copy and paste the article here I'll have a butchers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 18:02:58
here you go FH...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 18:04:49
Excuse any add that might have made their way into the transcript***

BANGKOK BASED 'WOLVES' - AN ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUB - AND A RESIGNATION


'LIES AND INNUENDO' SAY DIRECTORS WHO PASS ON SHARES FOR NOMINAL FEE'


International fraudsters with a history of share scamming estimated to have netted at over £1billion have been secretly funding a British football club with the proceeds of their illegal activities.

Two directors have been accused of making a hurried departure.  But today in a joint statement the man and wife team referred to ' a very small group of individuals' who ' have sought to bully and intimidate us by making completely false allegations and innuendos against us through the convenience of social media.'

At the centre of the controversy is Crawley Town Football Club - sponsored by CheckaTrade - where reputation matters.


Susan and Ian Carter with Mayor of Crawley on a roll after cash injection to club - public source



Director Ian Carter and his wife Susan condemned the attacks on them, believed to be have been made on the clubs's supporters website (ctfc,net) and elsewhere but confirmed that their shareholding would be passed on to another director at a nominal fee - and Susan would be resigning immediately for health reasons.

A poster to the site who was accused however stated in reply:


"The clear weight of both documentary & anecdotal evidence actually gives far greater credence to the theory that:"As the vultures start to circle the club, the Carters have quietly & cowardly scarpered and left a sap in the hot seat"

The small town spat however covers a much more serious problem.

There appears to be little doubt that cash into the club has been coming from the bosses of 'boiler operations' in the Far East; from scammers who have been targeting the pensions of Britons in the UK.

The transfer of the shares to another director Matt Turner owner of design and PR company has been known about for some time in local circles. It is this cash and the flow of cash from Asia which has worried supporters, much more it seems than directors.



Paul Hayward , left and Mickey Doherty,right, bask in glory at Crawley as the 'new owners'










And now it looks as if the Football Association may be asked to step into investigate the affairs of the club which, it is alleged, started receiving laundered money in 2011 the year it made it to the fifth round of the FA Cup before facing and losing to Manchester United at Old Trafford.

After an initial spurt the club has now  however been relegated to Football League 2.

The matter however should be of much more interest to the City of London Fraud Squad or the National Crime Agency. Both have had complaints relating to the scammers dating back years.

The plan by 'boiler room' scammers* in the Far East led by a Birmingham man Paul John Hayward, aka Paul Hilton, aka, Hong Kong Paul, based out of Bangkok  and a major player in the city's sex trade, was, perhaps, to build up the club and push it up to the Premier League.

But the secret real owners of the club did not want to undergo Football Association ‘fit and proper person’ scrutiny saying they wanted to remain low profile.

With the new influx of cash in 2011 the then club manager Steve Evans signed up 23 over a six-month period including Matt Tubbs, for £70,000, Sergio Torres for a record £100,000 and Richard Brodie for an undisclosed but reported fee estimated at £275,000.







One senior member of Crawley FC  who threatened to blow the whistle on the conspiracy is reported to have changed his mind after being show photographs of himself in Bangkok in a situation which he would not like his family to have seen.







It is estimated that each year money laundered from the Far East has paid for all the players’ salaries – and more. Expenditure however still exceeds more income and their club needs more cash from the Orient or from a sale to avoid going into administration – something which has happened twice before.


The now defunct website for the Eclipse Group
But the cash has been coming from a company called Eclipse Management, based in Bangkok with a parent company in Hong Kong which manages restaurants and night clubs which it had been buying up at a tremendous rate.  This maybe because cash for scams was coming in at US$2-3million a month, according to an ex-employee.

And Hayward, the man behind Eclipse, is one of the major kings of ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ scams running out of South East Asia. According to sources this week potential 'suckers' in Britain are being currently targeted to invest in at least two scams.

Eclipse Management, is nominally headed by Mickey Doherty, a former Hong Kong bar manager.

In most countries they would have difficulty accounting for the money flow both in and out.

 Haywood arrived in Bangkok in his early twenties to work the phones for American scammers. His persuasive telephone manner led to a meteoric rise to 'top loader' in a very short space of time.

Hayward is also the man behind the Nana Group, a company which holds the master lease on Bangkok’s busiest sex tourist complex – known as the Nana Entertainment Plaza – a square of lady boy and a-go-go bars with adjoining ‘short time rooms’ for sexual liaisons with prostitutes.

The lease was purchased from a Bangkok hotel, manufacturing and property company called the FICO Corporation at over £14million. Hayward claims that he got a bank loan from CIMB bank for this venture - and has had to force sub contractors to put up the prices of drinks and, bar fines (taking a prostitute out of the bar) to pay it back.




Hayward has boasted the perfect crime and that the City Fraud Squad could never catch him because: ‘I do not even have a bank account’.

He tells his minions the familiar boiler room defence : "If people are prepared to pay cash to someone they have only spoken to over the phone they deserve to lose it."

But a group known as the Confederation of Defrauded Victims (CDV), representing some 90 people who between them have lost about US$20 million are currently in dialogue with the banks who allowed the scammers to set up accounts with them to defraud investors from the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, several countries in Asia, and the United States.

Some banks are currently co-operating but not HSBC, says the CDV, which was the banker for many boiler room frauds.

The CDV has put out an internet warning on HSBC saying the bank ignored KYC (know your customer) and FATF (Financial Action Task Force) recommendations claiming the bank laundered money for a series of boiler rooms in which Hayward and his colleagues were involved - including scams carried out selling Tlway Texco shares and other fraudulent offerings and using vo's (virtual offices) pretending to be financial trading companies called Masahiro International, Jameson West Associates Ltd., Warner Beck Inc., McBain Baxter Holdings Ltd. and Carver Brooks Associates.

The CDV points out that none of the boiler rooms could have operated without the co-operation of international banks.

Hayward himself is now estimated to be personally worth US$100m-200m – and company checks in Thailand show more than 100 companies linked to him and his colleagues via Thai nominees, including wives and girlfriends.


Mat Turner (left) of Creative Pod)




Pottinger



The transfer of shares by Susan and Ian Carter, who run a small airfreight company - World Transshipment Services - to Matt Turner the boss of a local public relations and IT company Creative Pod, mean that Turner and the clubs chairman David Pottinger now control the club's shares.

Pottinger, chairman of the club has much closer links to Hong Kong Paul, or Paul Hilton, as he was referred to in a story in the Guardian, and they have met on their international travels.

Below Pottinger is pictured with Stephen Hayward - the father of Paul Hayward in Singapore.





Paul Hayward's father ran the Dubliner in Hong Kong, while Jon Kealy, of Brinton group notoriety runs the
Dubliner in Bangkok.


Recently Hayward has made moves to sell his 'interest', perhaps alerted that there has been a leak about his ownership. The club has been touting for new investors.



Hayward left - Doherty right at the club

But if the Football Association does its homework it’s possible that interested parties would be able to pick the club up for a song.

And a spokesman for the CDV said: "If the Football Association were to undertake a serious investigation we would be more than prepared to show them our files on Hayward.'

Hayward's ‘ace up his sleeve’ is that despite his reluctance he might pass a ‘fit and proper person test’ because he has never been convicted of any criminal offence.  This is almost certainly due to the fact that since a young age he has always lived in countries where the police have been pliable and run their own rackets.

Thai police rarely investigate foreigner on foreigner fraud - and never against a victim overseas.


Paul Hayward - Thai Immigation foto
Hayward arrived in Thailand 15 years ago when he was only 25 years old and worked as a ‘loader’ for the Brinton Group – a boiler room run by Irishman John Kealy – which was closed down in raids by the Thai police prompted by requests from the Australian Federal Police and FBI in 2001.

He also worked as an opener for a company called Foreign Currency International before a meteoric rise to become one of the partners in Premium Placements – a boiler room run by what become known as the Bangkok ‘Big Five’.

The other four members were Glendon Bullard, from Georgia, U.S. whose brother in law is the titular Managing Director of the Nana Group and who himself became President of the Thailand branch of the Bandidos motorcycle gang and Americans Mark Hutcherson, Jack Prather and Paul Richard Bell.


Bullard
Hutcherson, Bell, and Bullard are all now reported to be dead – Bullard, a heavy cocaine user, died in Pai in Mae Hong Son Province of Thailand in March.

His home in Chiang Mai had been raided last year by the Thai Police Crime Suppression Division at the request of the US Drug Enforcement Administration but nothing was found.

The notoriously corrupt CSD was virtually closed down last year with some 80 per cent of its officers transferred as a result of corruption allegations. The Lt.Colonel responsible for the raid on Bullard's Chiang Mai home later died while co-operating with investigator - after falling 'from a height'.

Hutcherson was reported (unconfirmed) to have died in a shooting incident, perhaps self inflicted, in the United States last week and Bell succumbed last year to heart trouble. He was buried in Texas on July 11 according to a funeral services report.

In all boiler room raids in Thailand while the Royal Thai Police appeared to be co-operating, none of the bosses have been charged with any serious criminal offences while the young people manning the phones were  fined and deported for working without visa. Further, one boiler room boss (Frank Giannini) walked off charges of killing two Thais in an accident while under the influence of drugs which were found in his car.

 Many openers and loaders in the Brinton Group came back on the next plane.


Raid on Brinton Group in Bangkok - FBI officer in foreground (Pic A Chant)


The Brinton raid, which were billed as a 'triumph of international police co-operation' - was in fact totally ineffectual and not a penny was recovered.

Hutcherson

Kealy and his team  faced charges bought by the Thai Securities and Exchange Commission with trading in shares while not registered to do so – and they  quickly paid off their fines of about US$10,000 each, while draining the Hong Kong banks, which were holding their stashes and moving the cash elsewhere. The Brinton Group had been targeting Australian investors.

But Hayward as a star ‘loader’,  a person delegated to ensure clients keep putting more and more cash in,  was soon hitting Britain with a company called Jackson Cole getting people to invest in a company called Secure Tee.

He is credited with making some US$80 million out of that scam – less his payroll and expense and there was no looking back.

Britain’s Serious Organised Crime Squad were given a list of all the victims which had been stolen from Hayward’s office by two American-Thai brothers James and John McCleary – but no action was taken – and of course SOCA has now been replaced by the National Crime Agency.

The McCleary brothers were later jailed along with two police officers for the kidnap of American Mark Hutcherson, a partner-in-crime of Hayward. They claimed they were innocent and merely reporting the boiler room, run by Hayward and Hutcherson to police - while police decided to make some extra cash.

BELOW - Part of an ABC Four Corners report on the Brinton Group






Another person who also tipped off police in Thailand about Hayward’s activities in Thonglor, Bangkok, Canadian Stephen Sharpe, was forced to flee to Manila – where the boiler room operators had a similar number of scams running.

He was subsequently set up on drugs and rape charges but was released after an investigation by the Philippines National Commission on Human Rights and having spent four years in jail has, He has now returned to his family home near Toronto.He wrote a document on Hayward called 'The Painted Picture' before his arrested,

And with regards to Foreign Currency International, a New Zealander, Ian Travis, who broke ranks and tried to steal clients, was gunned down in the centre of Bangkok while driving his BMW.

Nobody was ever taken to court for the murder.  Although the boiler room boss Jim Muller was actually extradited to stand trial for it with three Thais - they never did.

Tipping off police in Thailand and the Philippines on boiler room operations is a dangerous business as the cases of McClearys and Sharpe demonstrate.

Steven Sharpe aka Burt

The Nana Group security force is comprised almost entirely of off duty policeman from Lumpini Police Station in Bangkok and Hayward can also call upon a 3 star army general as his protector, according to the CDV.

A spokesman for the CDV which runs a website exposing frauds based out of Bangkok said his group approached the General in question through a third party and were merely told that he would not consider changing his position unless they could increase the offer.

Hayward has closed down most, but not all, of his operations in Thailand which were located in Bangkok, Chiang Mai and Pattaya, and he has already been thrown out of Cambodia, but evidence suggests that,  even though he does not have to work again,  boiler room scams are still operating under his name in the Philippines and Indonesia – both of which have a corruption rating higher than Thailand.

The closing and opening of rooms and switching from the Philippines to Thailand, to Malaysia, to Indonesia and even Bucharest is quite common. The operators use VOIP lines.

Whatever the FA decide, were it to investigate, is almost immaterial set against a background of massive international fraud. The cleaning up of a small football club pales into insignifance. Boilr room cash could buy a small country.

What is significant is that Hayward allowed his vanity to get the better of him by wanting to control a football club.

A spokesman for the Gotelee solicitors of Ipswich who represent Hayward said that their client denied all allegations that he was involved in boiler room share scamming and intended to issue a writ unless all references to him were removed and an apology given.. Mr. Hayward was a businessman in the property lease, restaurant and nightclub business, Gotelee stated.

If the allegations were not with drawn 'our client will have no option but to issue proceedings'.


*Boiler Room Investopedia: "A place where high-pressure salespeople use banks of telephones to call lists of potential investors (known as a "sucker lists") in order to peddle speculative, even fraudulent, securities. A boiler room is called as such because of the high-pressure selling."




And finally here's a very good film by an Aussie Keith Jones, who unwittingly invested in a boiler room scam operating out of the Northern Thai capital of Chiang Mai. He made the film to help himself through his ordeal. He finally tracked down a boiler room 'cooler' called Edward Martin, aka Ian Beck.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 18:07:35
Here's that video https://youtu.be/8HbvY1ZDhwg


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 18:16:09
Ha, I know Paul Hilton. He even bought me a drink once. He's a proper, career crook.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 19:19:04
Ha, I know Paul Hilton. He even bought me a drink once. He's a proper, career crook.
Lovely knowing you.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 21:09:25
Championship bottom of the league club Bristol City paying £9 million for Brentfords Andre Gray. Fuck promotion if that's the price of an average championship striker!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 21:29:04
Also a cracking price rise for a player Brentford bought for a rumoured half million one season ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 22:01:25
Also a cracking price rise for a player Brentford bought for a rumoured half million one season ago.

And an example of how much more you can get for a player one division up... Just sayin'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 23:03:21
And an example of how much more you can get for a player one division up... Just sayin'.

I've always thought (no disrespect intended) He is actually a donkey. I'd be very underwhelmed if I had 10 fingers.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 08:55:55
Ha, I know Paul Hilton. He even bought me a drink once. He's a proper, career crook.
I dont understand how these people sleep at night (other, of course, than on top of a huge pikw of money). If I stand on someone's foot on the tube I feel godawful. And it's the fact they go from crooked thing to crooked thing enriching nobody else's life but their own. It is exactly the same as some of the cowboy builders I know from the pub. How can you live with yourself knowing you are making other people's life a misery?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 09:05:32
Ha, I know Paul Hilton. He even bought me a drink once. He's a proper, career crook.

Did he buy you a drink on the condition you got three people to buy him a drink?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 10:44:54
Championship bottom of the league club Bristol City paying £9 million for Brentfords Andre Gray. Fuck promotion if that's the price of an average championship striker!
It's not. That's the price of desperation and advertising that a) you're desperate b) you have cash to spend. Which may be why Power/Cooper are smarter than some of our fans who are bemoaning the public declarations that we don't have money to spend and it's got to be 1 out, 1 in. As opposed to publicly saying "We've just made £4m from selling Luongo etc who wants to take it off us?"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 12:20:35
Has this actually gone through or is Lansdowne stalling whilst he thinks, hang on shouldn't I buy a defender instead of spunking 9 mill on someone who's had one half good season?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 12:34:00
The fella's mega loaded. Be nice to see Cotterill waste loads of it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 15:04:03
Sky are actually using FM to assess potential transfers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 16:18:27
He's turned them down
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34003035

Ha


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 16:25:23
Haha, they can't even "buy" the league. Shame though, thats money saved....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 16:34:01
Wonder who their third always-been-top-target £12m signing will be?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 16:37:31
Everton's away kit, that's what's wrong with football currently.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 19:30:39
It's a petition to find out more about West Ham's deal for the olympic stadium. This petition itself isn't wrong, but tax payers helping poor old West Ham is very wrong.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106355


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Friday, August 21, 2015, 07:33:37
There's a good article doing the rounds about  effect on the local area when WHUFC finally leave the BG. Supporters very worried about moving away to the sterile surroundings of the 'Stadio Olympico'.

The taxpayers bit is a con, can't believe West Ham are getting so much financial assistance.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, August 22, 2015, 19:47:16
The fact that LVG has now spent c.1/4 billion on players and no one bats an eyelid that they are still short in areas.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, August 22, 2015, 23:05:30
The fact that LVG has now spent c.1/4 billion on players and no one bats an eyelid that they are still short in areas.

This season: players in 4- £52m players out 9- £55m. I'm quite sure everyone knows they are short in areas



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 19:02:58
The BBC giving this corrupt charlatan any press coverage :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34044182


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 19:36:48
Franchise: Pete Winkelman deserves credit, says Karl Robinson - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34039857

ERM... No he doesn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, August 24, 2015, 19:39:14
!!!!!!!!!!PROMOTION MAKES EVERYTHING OKAY!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 20:21:06
Franchise: Pete Winkelman deserves credit, says Karl Robinson - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34039857


Fuck off you club stealing cunts !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 20:31:40
Speaking of the club stealing cunts

Quote
Franchise FC ‏@MKDonFC  6h6 hours ago
NEWS: Special Franchise song sheets will be handed out at our next home league encounter against Birmingham City #COYD

 :frustr:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 20:33:55
Speaking of the club stealing cunts

 :frustr:

Fake account apparently..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 04:59:02
Franchise: Pete Winkelman deserves credit, says Karl Robinson - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34039857

ERM... No he doesn't.

To be fair I know Karl and as much as i hate Franchise I like him.  He doesn't give a shit about the club and tells me to lump on them getting relegated this season.  He's just wants to make a living in football after not making it as a player as far as i can tell.

Winkleman is a proper cunt but. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 08:56:32
Yeah, sure he did


Title: Re:
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 10:10:13
Now they have given him freedom of the borough, does that mean he's allowed back near the schools again?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 13:29:54