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Title: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:07:19
So, now Morris has gone, who would be your pick?


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Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:10:12
Artell, presumably still available?


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:10:16
Luc Nijholt.

Its time.


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:10:32
Artell, presumably still available?

Should have been him before. Go and get him.


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Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:10:58
Agreed. Just get Artell.


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:11:04
There’s a couple of clubs at our level looking - Tranmere, Walsall. Anyone off of the previous list would be unlikely, surely.

Crewe fans reckon any new club for Artell would have to accept a season or 2 floundering in mid table before he produced. If that’s true, that’s him out.

Presuming the ‘model’ has also been ditched.

I’d go for Darrell Clarke.


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Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:11:20
Budgie Byrne.



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Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:11:27
Shame we’ve done it so late.

If we’d done this 5 games ago we could have given Mad Gav a proper audition.

….fuck knows. I’ve always maintained I like the ex player first job route rather than the managerial merry go round managers who have been sacked three/four times before…but this was a disaster.

Probably someone looking for their first job in management but at least some experience with the first team set up. Not someone who has primarily been a youth coach


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:11:50
Sandro as manager.


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Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:12:00
Maybe Cooper is coming back 😂


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Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:12:19
Artell, Garrard or Mike Flynn maybe?


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Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:12:24
It’ll be Gunning, internal DoF appointment and internal Manager appointment with a claim it’s the obvious choice. I’m prepared for another underwhelming appointment.


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Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:13:22
Artell, Garrard or Mike Flynn maybe?

Flynn’s not a bad shout either


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:13:52
Fuck that


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Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:13:54
Flynn would be about as bad a fit with this squad as you could imagine. Perhaps that's not a bad thing.


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Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:15:17
Flynn would be about as bad a fit with this squad as you could imagine. Perhaps that's not a bad thing.

Wasn’t he the one that turned Twine into a footballer?


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Post by: molepar on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:15:41
Artell please. Get him in ASAP.


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:16:04
Wasn’t he the one that turned Twine into a footballer?
Being played regularly probably did that.


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Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:17:03
Given we aren't going to be big spenders as-is, think Garrard as an appointment makes the most sense. Gets more out of players than their ability usually suggests and makes his team's hard to beat. Pretty dull football but it's a results based business.


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Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:21:13
So anyone coming in now (apart from those still here) will not have a clue regarding the squad, players thrmselves will be looking around at where they stand, all in all total bloody shambles.


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Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:21:50
are we Watford?


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Post by: molepar on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:21:54
Given we aren't going to be big spenders as-is, think Garrard as an appointment makes the most sense. Gets more out of players than their ability usually suggests and makes his team's hard to beat. Pretty dull football but it's a results based business.
I think he managed a decent cup run or 2 as well.


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Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:25:20
I would actually rather we do take some time now - it's the one occasion in recent history where that would be the right course of action instead of taking time when there was no need to.

Instead, sort the fucking clubs operational and footballing structures out.  Determine what will and what won't be invested in off the pitch, work out the plan in terms of what type of squad and budget we will be using etc.

Then recruit someone that fits, but who will be backed to deliver that, and not have their hands tied by someone else having recruited and sold everyone.

I still don't have a problem with the "Model" - just work out what that really means and back it properly and with a healthy dose of short term pragmatism.  Don't put a nobody in charge of Football Ops, don't add a Manager with no experience of first team management (or nobody they can lean on with it), don't say we are investing in youth and literally just buy young players with no actual investment in the supporting infrastructure planned.


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:25:30
I wouldn't be against given Garrard his league start as both a player and manager. Only problem is we'll be needing to pay compo, which doesn't seem overly realistic given our lack of pot to piss in.


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Post by: Oldwembley69 on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:33:50
Woy when he leaves Palace


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Post by: Super Hans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:40:51
Appleton for me.

Whoever it is could we make it before mid July please.


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Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:41:22
Woy when he leaves Palace

See, we won't be able to get someone like him, but a lower level version is precisely who I'd be looking at for the Head of Football Ops role if we want to keep that.  Someone with experience but no longer wanting the stress of Managing.  Someone who can guide a less experienced Head Coach if need be, but also knows what is needed behind the scenes to set the club up for success.


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:44:35
Should have been him before. Go and get him.

Agreed!


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:44:58
See, we won't be able to get someone like him, but a lower level version is precisely who I'd be looking at for the Head of Football Ops role if we want to keep that.  Someone with experience but no longer wanting the stress of Managing.  Someone who can guide a less experienced Head Coach if need be, but also knows what is needed behind the scenes to set the club up for success.

Someone like Paul Jewell would be perfect  :D


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:45:28
There’s a couple of clubs at our level looking - Tranmere, Walsall. Anyone off of the previous list would be unlikely, surely.

Crewe fans reckon any new club for Artell would have to accept a season or 2 floundering in mid table before he produced. If that’s true, that’s him out.

Presuming the ‘model’ has also been ditched.

I’d go for Darrell Clarke.

Good shout


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:45:57
Someone like Paul Jewell would be perfect  :D

With Lee Power as DOF🤣


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Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:46:17
Sandro will spend all summer analysing targets using Excel 97 on Windows XP, only to appoint one of the kitmen as manager a week before the season starts


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Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:46:44
Someone like Paul Jewell would be perfect  :D


No!  He wasn't interested in the club - I want someone who still wants to give back to the game - fuck knows who that is though.


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Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:48:22
This from a couple of years ago. I wonder.  :hmmm:

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19403632.michael-flynn-swindon-towns-next-manager-target---reports/


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Post by: blinkpip on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:49:05
Do we actually need a DOF? most Clubs didn't have them 10 years ago. Just let the manager buy who he wants, they seem like a pain in the ass majority of the time soapy tit wank.


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Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:49:46
Do we actually need a DOF? most Clubs didn't have them 10 years ago. Just let the manager buy who he wants, they seem like a pain in the ass majority of the time soapy tit wank.

Most clubs used to play a 2-3-5 and let their players smoke.


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Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:50:31
Donkey for First Team Overlord


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:50:42
Most clubs used to play a 2-3-5 and let their players smoke.

And go on the piss Friday night!


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Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:51:23
Most clubs used to let their players smoke.

So do we from 80 minutes onwards


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Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:51:34
Appleton for me.

Whoever it is could we make it before mid July please.

Good shout


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:51:56
Most clubs used to play a 2-3-5 and let their players smoke.

I think this is where we've been going wrong. Tea, orange slices and a B&H gold at half time and we piss this league.


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Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:52:15
Do we actually need a DOF? most Clubs didn't have them 10 years ago. Just let the manager buy who he wants, they seem like a pain in the ass majority of the time soapy tit wank.

I think the logic behind them is they should hopefully stay constant.
We’ve seen it here - managers have any sort of ‘success’ and they get poached.


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Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:53:02
I think this is where we've been going wrong. Tea, orange slices and a B&H gold at half time and we piss this league.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1wenv


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:53:36
Good shout

Blackpool fans hated him but no idea why


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:59:57
So anyone coming in now (apart from those still here) will not have a clue regarding the squad, players thrmselves will be looking around at where they stand, all in all total bloody shambles.

Unless it's already been decided I assume Gunning and Mildy will be in charge of the retain/release list?


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Post by: adje on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:16:09
Flynn’s not a bad shout either
Christ no! If people are bored with our football now I reckon it'd be 10 X worse.


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:18:22
When we end up with Flitcroft 2.0 boring us to tears, some fans will need to have a long look in the mirror.


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Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:20:09
Christ no! If people are bored with our football now I reckon it'd be 10 X worse.
He’s also just been sacked by Walsall who have even lower expectations than us.


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Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:20:29
When we end up with Flitcroft 2.0 boring us to tears, some fans will need to have a long look in the mirror.

And the board.


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Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:25:11
Agreed. Just get Artell.

It was so obvious Artell was the right man last time but the board tried to be clever and "think outside the box". Well now just take the lid off the box and bring out David Artell. The only other choice for me would be the Cowleys if it were possible to get them in. No to Charlie Austin etc..


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Post by: Laddy in Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:25:42
Danny Cowley could be an option.


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Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:27:05
It was so obvious Artell was the right man last time but the board tried to be clever and "think outside the box". Well now just take the lid off the box and bring out David Artell. The only other choice for me would be the Cowleys if it were possible to get them in. No to Charlie Austin etc..

Bet you buzzing to see the manager sacked so you could get back involved and push forward the cowleys again


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Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:27:18
I just don’t want another academy coach, that’s all I ask.


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:29:40
How long before the bookies create a list of potentials🤔


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Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:30:25
It was so obvious Artell was the right man last time but the board tried to be clever and "think outside the box". Well now just take the lid off the box and bring out David Artell. The only other choice for me would be the Cowleys if it were possible to get them in. No to Charlie Austin etc..

The board didnt try and be clever. Morris was 100% a Sandro thing, after Artell had been agreed.

We need a change, we need optimism but we need we need to be very careful not to make a knee jerk reaction to what the club wants to do. The model worked last season with Chorley/Garner and no preseason. Bad People fucked it this season, not a bad set up.


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Post by: RJack on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:33:01
It will be Gunning and Mildenhall. Bookies can close their books now


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Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:39:38
The board didnt try and be clever. Morris was 100% a Sandro thing, after Artell had been agreed.

We need a change, we need optimism but we need we need to be very careful not to make a knee jerk reaction to what the club wants to do. The model worked last season with Chorley/Garner and no preseason. Bad People fucked it this season, not a bad set up.

That is a bold statement of ‘fact’? Can you substantiate that?


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Post by: RJack on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:39:51
Danny Cowley could be an option.
Why? He had sucesss at one club and has failed everywhere else


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Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:47:49
Why? He had sucesss at one club and has failed everywhere else

Actually he has failed at one club and been a success everywhere else.


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Post by: Ginginho on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:48:45
It was so obvious Artell was the right man last time but the board tried to be clever and "think outside the box". Well now just take the lid off the box and bring out David Artell. The only other choice for me would be the Cowleys if it were possible to get them in. No to Charlie Austin etc..

Interesting that he's been to a fair few of our games this season in the directors box  :hmmm:


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Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:56:54
Bet you buzzing to see the manager sacked so you could get back involved and push forward the cowleys again

A man has lost his job but I think it's good that a mistake is rectified sooner rather than later.
I'm busy arguing the case for the Cowleys on four different message-boards and am surprised how unpopular they are with some people.
I do think David Artell would be a very good fit for Swindon Town; maybe it's the railway connection. But as someone mentioned earlier in this thread it took Artell a couple of years before the fruits of his labours were seen. I fear there might not be the patience at board or supporter level if that timescale is repeated.


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Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:59:34
Interesting that he's been to a fair few of our games this season in the directors box  :hmmm:

He likes a cornish pasty and a pint of Arkells i heard


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Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:02:06
Interesting that he's been to a fair few of our games this season in the directors box  :hmmm:

Well I don't know the South West or South coast and I'm not sure you'd regard yourselves as South-West. But both brothers' families are settled in Portsmouth I believe so that might give Swindon an advantage over Donny, Mansfield or Walsall.
Google tells me the journey from Portsmouth to Swindon is about an hour and an half which is just about doable I'd hope.


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:03:59
Well I don't know the South West or South coast and I'm not sure you'd regard yourselves as South-West. But both brothers' families are settled in Portsmouth I believe so that might give Swindon an advantage over Donny, Mansfield or Walsall.
Google tells me the journey from Portsmouth to Swindon is about an hour and an half which is just about doable I'd hope.

The late Alan Mac used to commute from Swindon to Pompey daily.


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Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:04:33
A man has lost his job but I think it's good that a mistake is rectified sooner rather than later.
I'm busy arguing the case for the Cowleys on four different message-boards and am surprised how unpopular they are with some people.
I do think David Artell would be a very good fit for Swindon Town; maybe it's the railway connection. But as someone mentioned earlier in this thread it took Artell a couple of years before the fruits of his labours were seen. I fear there might not be the patience at board or supporter level if that timescale is repeated.

You sound busy. What's your commission?


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Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:07:26
You sound busy. What's your commission?

Very uncertain! I lost a great deal of money backing Pompey ante-post the last two seasons. But my faith in the brothers is only very slightly dimmed.


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:10:38
To be fair Dan Cowley has a pretty decent % win rate


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Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:12:17
Perhaps we could reappoint McGreal, he could give us the money he had back and put it into the transfer budget :D


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Post by: hefty toe on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:24:24
Right decision re Morris I think. He didn't really improve any of the players or make any demonstrable tactical improvements during his tenure.


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:28:00
The thought of Artell/Cowley etc fills me with dread. May as well go the whole hog and approach Steve Evans.

Fucking dismal state of affairs at this club.


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Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:31:47
Who would you go for Mooneyraker?


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:36:29
I Wonder if Marc Bircham's name will be heavily linked again.


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Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:41:33
Well I don't know the South West or South coast and I'm not sure you'd regard yourselves as South-West. But both brothers' families are settled in Portsmouth I believe so that might give Swindon an advantage over Donny, Mansfield or Walsall.
Google tells me the journey from Portsmouth to Swindon is about an hour and an half which is just about doable I'd hope.

My DNA’s at Pompey Uni and over the years it’s been on my various sales areas. Allow two hours


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:42:47
Who would you go for Mooneyraker?

I was 'content' with Morris and Brand. Wanted to see what they could do in pre-season free of Sandro's clown shoe on their neck.

Honestly I have no idea. Any manager worth their salt will be straight on the blower to Morris to find out what happened.

Artell has a 33% win ratio at Crewe. He got promoted in a shortened season and always came across as a total goon.

The Cowleys play god awful shite and have failed twice recently.

Appleton... just no.

Frankly I'd rather have a Danny Wilson type. Just an old school, low drama smooth operator who has a pragmatic approach rather than some pompous set in stone 'style'. I don't mean Danny Wilson but you catch my drift hopefully.



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Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:44:01
Who is a modern day Danny Wilson type, Kenny Jackett or something?  There aren't actually that many managers on the merry go round these days, people tend to get a couple of jobs and if no luck there, that's them done.


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:46:05
It also depends on what wages Clem is willing to offer as to who he can attract.


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Post by: 4D on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:47:34
More managers than shots per game  :no:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:47:43
Content with 4 wins in 18 games.
New lows.


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Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:53:32
It also depends on what wages Clem is willing to offer as to who he can attract.

Well you’d think that at some stage they’d realise or acknowledgethat if you pay peanuts you get primates, even at our level.


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:54:02
Content with 4 wins in 18 games.
New lows.

Not content with 4 wins in 18 games. Content with them having a summer free of Sandro to show what they could do with their coaching and Rolodex, rather than doing what we have and setting fire to over £250k in all likelihood, as well as signalling to the entirety of English football that the County Ground may as well be Billy Smart's big top these days.



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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:55:38
Well you’d thing that at some stage they’d realise or acknowledge rpthat if you pay peanuts you get primates, even at our level.

I'm sure it was the stumbling job when we ended up with Lindsey "the best man for the job"


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:09:51
The club should just go all in and make the Broadbent Lounge the managers.


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Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:11:44
The club should just go all in and make the Broadbent Lounge the managers.

Perhaps that’s why Hanners left? To become our manager?


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:13:05
Perhaps that’s why Hanners left? To become our manager?

 :sherlock:

EVERYTHING suddenly makes sense.


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Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:21:32
It also depends on what wages Clem is willing to offer as to who he can attract.

It better be more than Lindsey was being paid


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Post by: molepar on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:46:09
Who is a modern day Danny Wilson type, Kenny Jackett or something?  There aren't actually that many managers on the merry go round these days, people tend to get a couple of jobs and if no luck there, that's them done.
Would be delighted with KJ but he has taken DOF role at Gills. That’s a real coup for them in my opinion.


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:50:44
Money talks!


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:51:21
It also depends on what wages Clem is willing to offer as to who he can attract.

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Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:54:40
(https://visionedgemarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/shoes-string-budget.jpg)

I thought your financial troubles were over with the departure of despicable Lee Power. Is there still a problem now Mr Morfuni is in charge?


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:56:29
I thought your financial troubles were over with the departure of despicable Lee Power. Is there still a problem now Mr Morfuni is in charge?

Clem is Lee Power in a Scooby Doo mask.


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:12:07
I thought your financial troubles were over with the departure of despicable Lee Power. Is there still a problem now Mr Morfuni is in charge?

It appears that while the debts have been moved from outside sources to Clem himself, we are doing absolutely everything on the cheap. Our admin has been a shambles.


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Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:14:12
Don’t think I’d want Artell and don’t get the clamour for him, we’re led to believe he was turned down last time so for him to want the job now would just suggest he’s desperate and no one else wants him. There will be a reason for that.


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Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:22:23
Appleton for me.

Whoever it is could we make it before mid July please.

Yeah let's have someone that's failed in this role over and over again. Fucking  madness.


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Post by: mrverve on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:43:09
I’d give it to Darrell Clarke


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:43:39
Darrell Clarke probably has the best overall career record of the Poundland Bargain Bucket available managers.

5 career promotions, two from this league, and no real failures.

Not sure I can get past the Vale Park debacle... but perhaps that is unfair.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:44:39
Don’t think I’d want Artell and don’t get the clamour for him, we’re led to believe he was turned down last time so for him to want the job now would just suggest he’s desperate and no one else wants him. There will be a reason for that.

We were set to appoint him until Morris lowered his demands, as I understood it.

Have to think we'd be in a better position now if he got it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:45:30
Luke Williams, The Sequel


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:48:32
We were set to appoint him until Morris lowered his demands, as I understood it.

Have to think we'd be in a better position now if he got it.
But that horse has bolted, we rejected him. He’d be second choice, he’d know he’s second choice and we’d know he’s second choice.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:51:18
But that horse has bolted, we rejected him. He’d be second choice, he’d know he’s second choice and we’d know he’s second choice.

We'd all know we made the wrong choice, yeah.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:51:43
Luke Williams, The Sequel

🤣
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct5ZHAQVZog&pp=ygUlbmlnZWwgZmFyYWdlIHlvdSBhbGwgbGF1Z2ggYXQgbWUgY2xpcA%3D%3D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:53:09
Seeing lots of shouts for people we don't want but who do we want? If its true that Morris & Brand were on a good salary then they werent on the cheap and still fucking useless.

Karl Robinson 😉


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:56:38
Chris Hughton anyone🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:56:55
Karl Robinson 😉
How to lose even more season ticket holders…

I’m hoping we go completely left field now like an experienced foreign coach with new ideas. Have no faith in the club to make a decent appointment though as whether it’s Ralph or the internal appointment that replaces him I’m not convinced they’ll be capable of choosing the right person.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 1, 2023, 20:58:54
Seeing lots of shouts for people we don't want but who do we want? If its true that Morris & Brand were on a good salary then they werent on the cheap and still fucking useless.

Karl Robinson 😉

Honestly I have no idea.

I’ve always maintained I like the ex pro decent level first managerial job route rather than a managerial merry go round manager - but Morris was the former and was pants.

Personally I think I still want to see the first one but someone with more first team experience (as coach or as assistant) rather than someone who’s spent almost their entire coaching career at youth level and / or someone whose spent most of their time coaching in nothing but the absolute best facilities


…and as I’ve literally just seen him on the TV - someone like Ian Woan


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:01:11
Honestly I have no idea.

I’ve always maintained I like the ex pro decent level first managerial job route rather than a managerial merry go round manager - but Morris was the former and was pants.

Personally I think I still want to see the first one but someone with more first team experience (as coach or as assistant) rather than someone who’s spent almost their entire coaching career at youth level and / or someone whose spent most of their time coaching in nothing but the absolute best facilities


…and as I’ve literally just seen him on the TV - someone like Ian Woan

Sounds like Kevin MacDonald...!



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:03:04
I’d be open to Matt Taylor, despite his record at Walsall.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:08:10
I do think what the Morris experiment shows is that the gulf between the big clubs and ours is now so large that we probably won't get ex-players/managers from there succeeding at our level.

When Hoddle went onto Chelsea from Swindon, our facilities probably weren't miles apart from those at Harlington, their old training ground.

I always got the impression that Morris simply couldn't believe how shit our set up was. Of course he had probably done his 'homework' but the reality of a cold day in Calne with an over 80s Zumba class taking place next door probably hits home like a wet kipper to the face if you are used to the set up at Cobham. Throw in the clown show of Aberdeen/Sandro/Zav et al and he probably regretted it from minute one, which is why he wore a face like a slapped arse for the duration.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:21:20
He'd have checked out the facilities before he agreed. He wouldn't have counted on a spiv getting rid of the captain and then leaving the paperwork on his replacement clogged in the fax machine without hitting send though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:38:09
I do think what the Morris experiment shows is that the gulf between the big clubs and ours is now so large that we probably won't get ex-players/managers from there succeeding at our level.

When Hoddle went onto Chelsea from Swindon, our facilities probably weren't miles apart from those at Harlington, their old training ground.

I always got the impression that Morris simply couldn't believe how shit our set up was. Of course he had probably done his 'homework' but the reality of a cold day in Calne with an over 80s Zumba class taking place next door probably hits home like a wet kipper to the face if you are used to the set up at Cobham. Throw in the clown show of Aberdeen/Sandro/Zav et al and he probably regretted it from minute one, which is why he wore a face like a slapped arse for the duration.

Are your training facilities very bad? Nowadays many coaches/managers have a good training complex near the very top of their checklist.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:42:59
Zero interest in Artell- nobody’s been near him for 2 years? Zero interest in Cowley- only ever really been successful once.

Robbie Neilson for me, cracking win %. Knows the leagues… worth a go imo.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:45:29
Left field. How about tempting Paul Trollope back into the number one hotseat?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:46:22
Zero interest in Artell- nobody’s been near him for 2 years? Zero interest in Cowley- only ever really been successful once.

Robbie Neilson for me, cracking win %. Knows the leagues… worth a go imo.

As in ex-hearts manager Robbie Nielson? Interesting pick.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:54:42
Zero interest in Artell- nobody’s been near him for 2 years? Zero interest in Cowley- only ever really been successful once.

Robbie Neilson for me, cracking win %. Knows the leagues… worth a go imo.

In fairness to Artell it's just over a year since he left Crewe; and just because no-one has employed him since doesn't mean he's not a good coach/manager. Never be swayed by what owners/directors might do; remember Shack's opinion of their knowledge.

Cowley won two titles in three seasons at Lincoln, the second being The League Two title. His only failure was at Pompey but even there his win % was over 43.

Robbie Neilson's only venture South of the border was a miserable failure at Franchise and he doesn't know this league.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 1, 2023, 21:58:47
What about Noel Hunt?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lemis on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:12:58
What about Noel Hunt?

Is there any reason he wouldn't stay at Reading instead?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:18:08
I've no idea. the last manager I didn't want got us promoted


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: donkey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:31:33
Donkey for First Team Overlord

 8)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Monday, May 1, 2023, 23:14:47
I'd like to see Picaretta given a go. He knows and loves the club, has experienced the good and bad of the PdC coaching and would probably fit Clem's budget


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 1, 2023, 23:53:29
I'd like to see Picaretta given a go. He knows and loves the club, has experienced the good and bad of the PdC coaching and would probably fit Clem's budget

That’s an interesting thought. When he was at the club recently, he openly admitted that he loves Swindon.  He is looking for the right opportunity, and when he was asked if he would consider Swindon, he had a very wry smile on his face and said that the position was filled at the moment.

Read into that what you will.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 23:58:55
Whoever it is needs to be charismatic and someone we can unite behind. None of the journeymen managers tick those boxes, we had enough of the bland and miserable to last a lifetime. It’s no coincidence the most fun we had as fans and success too was with PDC and Wellens where there was at least some 2 way engagement.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: bathford on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 03:42:08
How about Picaretta as Manager and PdC as DOF?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 05:43:42
If the club did manage to negotiate a 6 month contract for Morris with an extension beyond that for 18 months or so (??) then it’s great business if that’s allowed us to part ways without a large compensation payment.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 05:56:16
Piccaretta has one year in the EFL over a decade ago. Not sure he hits the ground running.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:02:31
Simon Ferry…?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:06:05
Whoever it is needs to be charismatic and someone we can unite behind. None of the journeymen managers tick those boxes, we had enough of the bland and miserable to last a lifetime. It’s no coincidence the most fun we had as fans and success too was with PDC and Wellens where there was at least some 2 way engagement.
Not sure it was anything to do with engagement.   They both created teams that scored a shit load and conceded fuck all, which meant we all enjoyed it and therefore felt warmth towards them.

The first 10 games or so under Paolo were shocking and many wanted him gone.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:08:15
Piccaretta has one year in the EFL over a decade ago. Not sure he hits the ground running.
Agree he's not what we need.  Would be a heart over head signing.    Would be an upgrade on Sandro as Dof though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:26:48
If the club did manage to negotiate a 6 month contract for Morris with an extension beyond that for 18 months or so (??) then it’s great business if that’s allowed us to part ways without a large compensation payment.

Agreed. I was “Morris in” but if we had a window to get out without torching next year’s transfer budget then I can see the logic.

That said the rumours that Brand was indeed on a secondment type deal from Chelsea suggest that, as usual, the famous ‘open and transparent’ mantra is likely to be bullshit again.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:37:00
Agreed. I was “Morris in” but if we had a window to get out without torching next year’s transfer budget then I can see the logic.

That said the rumours that Brand was indeed on a secondment type deal from Chelsea suggest that, as usual, the famous ‘open and transparent’ mantra is likely to be bullshit again.
Only if you believe the rumours.   A random ITK online is not an overly reliable source.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:38:47
Only if you believe the rumours.   A random ITK online is not an overly reliable source.

Do you think that Brand had a three month contract after all that wrangling?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 07:55:10
He'd have checked out the facilities before he agreed. He wouldn't have counted on a spiv getting rid of the captain and then leaving the paperwork on his replacement clogged in the fax machine without hitting send though.

I heard (and of course this is speculation) that JM was not happy with the Calne Training facility and was pretty vocal about it. He must have known about that before accepting the role I would have thought, I doubt very much Sandro walked him around Foundation Park and said - "here you go Jody, this is our spanking training facility."


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 07:58:56
I heard (and of course this is speculation) that JM was not happy with the Calne Training facility and was pretty vocal about it. He must have known about that before accepting the role I would have thought, I doubt very much Sandro walked him around Foundation Park and said - "here you go Jody, this is our spanking training facility."


Oh i dunno!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:48:09
Only if you believe the rumours.   A random ITK online is not an overly reliable source.

I read that post as opinion, not 'factual' ITK.

The statement isn't even that clear on whether it was sacked, walked, mutual.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:56:12
I know he/Jeremy Wray basically destroyed our one chance of long term stability but.... who can honestly say they wouldn't be  a little bit excited if Paolo came back?

I know he won't but the thought of him marching out to the centre circle, scarf above head, after we smash Harrogate 5-0 in August fills my heart with joy in a way that the Cowleys/Appleton/Flynn/Artell NEVER will.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:59:17
I heard (and of course this is speculation) that JM was not happy with the Calne Training facility and was pretty vocal about it. He must have known about that before accepting the role I would have thought, I doubt very much Sandro walked him around Foundation Park and said - "here you go Jody, this is our spanking training facility."


Thats fact RE piss poor facilities at Calne as I remember JM in one of his early interviews saying how its not ideal and could be a better environment (along them lines)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:10:43
I heard (and of course this is speculation) that JM was not happy with the Calne Training facility and was pretty vocal about it. He must have known about that before accepting the role I would have thought, I doubt very much Sandro walked him around Foundation Park and said - "here you go Jody, this is our spanking training facility."


It was probably the point where he had to deliver the players lunches to Calne that he got fed up


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:23:42
Thats fact RE piss poor facilities at Calne as I remember JM in one of his early interviews saying how its not ideal and could be a better environment (along them lines)

If the training facilities are bad that will put off a lot of potential managers. But are they any worse now than when Wellens led you to the title three years ago? Just how bad are they?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:32:33
If the training facilities are bad that will put off a lot of potential managers. But are they any worse now than when Wellens led you to the title three years ago? Just how bad are they?

As James once sang:

'If i had'nt seen such riches, i could live with being poor!'



Hope it wasnt a Roy Keane World Cup melt down, when he stormed home from the Paddys training camp...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:33:27
FWIW, Morris moaned about every single thing he could and Wellens team that season trained at multiple different venues that season due to calne pitch not being up to scratch (since had investment on pitches I'm pretty sure I remember seeing it somewhere)


I think its more the distance from ground and the fact players can't have food prepared at calne that are the issues.

Morris came from Champions league winners Chelsea, Derby to little Swindon. The culture shock woulda been a rude awakening haha


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:41:46
FWIW, Morris moaned about every single thing he could and Wellens team that season trained at multiple different venues that season due to calne pitch not being up to scratch (since had investment on pitches I'm pretty sure I remember seeing it somewhere)


I think its more the distance from ground and the fact players can't have food prepared at calne that are the issues.

Morris came from Champions league winners Chelsea, Derby to little Swindon. The culture shock woulda been a rude awakening haha

Thank you for the reply. Those don't sound like huge shortcomings. It also makes Wellens' achievement even more commendable.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:46:14
All of Morris' whinges have been legitimate and an echo of fans own concerns.

Should they have been done behind close doors. Absolutely.

But I'll put this out there as pure speculation- the communication to fans at critical times has been shit this year. What if Morris got the same treatment of the drawbridge being raised?

Suspect Morris won't be too disappointing to leave the club, just the reputation damage


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:56:36
But I'll put this out there as pure speculation- the communication to fans at critical times has been shit this year. What if Morris got the same treatment of the drawbridge being raised?

I quite like the idea of Sandro just continually telling Morris he'll phone him back since January like he has to the Monday Night Club thing, adds a degree of slapstick to the whole thing.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 09:58:33

I think it’s more the distance from ground and the fact players can't have food prepared at calne that are the issues.



Just stick a burger van in the car park at Calne. Problem solved.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:02:58
the communication to fans at critical times has been shit this year.
My favourite was back in February with the advertising of the pitch for hire during the L2 play off dates just to really hammer home the level of incompetence at the club and give the impression that the club wasn’t even contemplating being in the mix.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:17:30
David Artell and Danny Cowley both odds on for the Walsall and Tranmere jobs.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:19:29
David Artell and Danny Cowley both odds on for the Walsall and Tranmere jobs.
That’s because the bookies are as unimaginative as fans.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:20:08
https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/05/02/exclusive-swindon-town-set-to-announce-major-departure/

Sandro announcment coming shortly apparently.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:31:50
https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/05/02/exclusive-swindon-town-set-to-announce-major-departure/

Sandro announcment coming shortly apparently.

OMG then what will we moan about?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:32:47
OMG then what will we moan about?

The amount it’s cost us to pay off Morris and Brand, because everyone seems to know what we were paying them.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:35:00
The amount it’s cost us to pay off Morris and Brand, because everyone seems to know what we were paying them.

Don’t forget Chris Kiely - I assume he will be still around

Oh and don’t forget Mrs. Austin because she tweeted something that had nothing to do with anything…that some decided was definitely about Morris.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:35:41
I was thinking this morning about the number of premier league youth coaches that seem to have failed in the last few years, in both L1 and L2.

Most of the ones I can think of seem to have only lasted 20 odd games. Are they too sheltered from the realities of football in the lower leagues?!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:40:06
I was thinking this morning about the number of premier league youth coaches that seem to have failed in the last few years, in both L1 and L2.

Most of the ones I can think of seem to have only lasted 20 odd games. Are they too sheltered from the realities of football in the lower leagues?!

Yes.

That & having to win games.

Let’s just say for arguments sake - a youth coach continually wins nothing at that level, all his teams are so so and always finish mid table…but…every other year he produces a player that can slot into the first team and maybe one not quite good enough for said club but will make a decent career a bit lower in the food chain they can sell for 1m + add ons. He’d be considered to be doing a great job I’d imagine.

Another youth coach might win the lot year after year after year but produce no one good enough for the clubs first team and I’d imagine he’d be looked upon as a failure.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:42:15
I was thinking this morning about the number of premier league youth coaches that seem to have failed in the last few years, in both L1 and L2.

Most of the ones I can think of seem to have only lasted 20 odd games. Are they too sheltered from the realities of football in the lower leagues?!

I've started suspecting that youth level coaching isn't actually that difficult at the big sides - or at least, not that much of an indicator of applicability of success elsewhere.

The first reason is that so many of these "elite coaches" also happen to be ex-players at that club, which doesn't really suggest a wide range of talent being drawn from.

Then I think there's probably wider talent gaps between teams at that level - if you think about a first team squad, there are probably 30 players in it (more for Chelsea!) drawn from all over the world and from sort of 19-35. At youth levels, you have a one or two year age category and far more local players, so logically there will be much more of a concentration of talent at the very best funded academies. If you're playing with much stronger players than the next side down, you'll probably do pretty well regardless of quality of the management.

Then again, I thought Kevin Betsy would do well at Crawley and Morris would do well for us, so it's quite possible I'm a clueless idiot.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:43:06
Don’t forget Chris Kiely - I assume he will be still around

Oh and don’t forget Mrs. Austin because she tweeted something that had nothing to do with anything…that some decided was definitely about Morris.
Kiely and Sandro are one and the same so you would assume he’ll have lost his influence as well.

As for Austin’s Mrs, she was liking tweets at the same time that were saying Morris should go etc so I think it’s pretty clear it was related to Morris. Hopefully he gets a send off on Monday and we move on from him as well.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:52:50
I know he/Jeremy Wray basically destroyed our one chance of long term stability but.... who can honestly say they wouldn't be  a little bit excited if Paolo came back?

I know he won't but the thought of him marching out to the centre circle, scarf above head, after we smash Harrogate 5-0 in August fills my heart with joy in a way that the Cowleys/Appleton/Flynn/Artell NEVER will.

It's a lovely romantic notion but sadly one that I don't think is likely. You look down the list of who's who of league 2 managers and (maybe apart from Mark Hughes) it's a generic list of bog standard lower league managers. You look at clubs like Stevenage with Evans and Carlisle with Simpson and they've done absolutely brilliantly on what I'm assuming are budgets well below ours?

And I know it's not an exact science so there is absolutely no guarantee, but I think we need a pragmatic coach that knows how to get teams out of this rotten division. That wasn't Scott Lindsey and it wasn't Jody Morris. The list of potential managers is mediocre, granted, but one of these guys is going to get us promoted, we just have to make sure we pick the right one and put the proper footballing people in behind the scenes to assist!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:04:47
OMG then what will we moan about?
Their replacements, obviously.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:12:40
David Artell and Danny Cowley both odds on for the Walsall and Tranmere jobs.
Brian Barry Murphy is going to get the Tranmere gig.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:14:12
It's a lovely romantic notion but sadly one that I don't think is likely. You look down the list of who's who of league 2 managers and (maybe apart from Mark Hughes) it's a generic list of bog standard lower league managers. You look at clubs like Stevenage with Evans and Carlisle with Simpson and they've done absolutely brilliantly on what I'm assuming are budgets well below ours?

And I know it's not an exact science so there is absolutely no guarantee, but I think we need a pragmatic coach that knows how to get teams out of this rotten division. That wasn't Scott Lindsey and it wasn't Jody Morris. The list of potential managers is mediocre, granted, but one of these guys is going to get us promoted, we just have to make sure we pick the right one and put the proper footballing people in behind the scenes to assist!

I'm a romantic...  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:35:36
I'll take Darrell Clarke please. 4 management jobs. 4 promotions. That's the kind of experience I can get behind.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:36:52
I'll take Darrell Clarke please. 4 management jobs. 4 promotions. That's the kind of experience I can get behind.

Agreed. And I wasn't really aware of what had happened in his personal life so very happy to look past his Vale Park meltdown.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:37:34
What about his dog wanking antics?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:41:45
His teenage daughter tragically died mid season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:42:53
I'll take Darrell Clarke please. 4 management jobs. 4 promotions. That's the kind of experience I can get behind.
Personal life aside,he was a proper cunt last season. But if he comes,at least he'll be our cunt I suppose,as the old adage goes


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:45:13
On paper Clarke looks ideal but the bloke acted like a major bellend last season, so fuck that guy.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:50:34
On paper Clarke looks ideal but the bloke acted like a major bellend last season, so fuck that guy.
Not Steve Evans level of cuntary but yeah, a bit.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:51:52
On paper Clarke looks ideal but the bloke acted like a major bellend last season, so fuck that guy.

Agree with this completely. Not a very good character in my book, and don't want him here regardless of promotion pedigree.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:10:13
If Notts County don't go up I'd be happy with getting Luke Williams in


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:18:24
If Notts County don't go up I'd be happy with getting Luke Williams in

Not sure if serious.....

I assume his style has changed a fair bit if this is a serious suggestion.

Though right now I'd say Notts County were a better bet for next season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:21:36
Not sure if serious.....

I assume his style has changed a fair bit if this is a serious suggestion.

Though right now I'd say Notts County were a better bet for next season.

He has gone away and done the hard work of gaining experience, I'd have him back.  I very much doubt Notts County and he feel like they'd give us a look in though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:23:00
I'll take Darrell Clarke please. 4 management jobs. 4 promotions. That's the kind of experience I can get behind.

This for me in a nutshell.

As for his antics in the play-offs, it was pretty much something or nothing in a highly charged game. He came out and apologised afterwards;

Clarke, recently returned from bereavement leave following the death of a close family member, told Sky Sports: "I want to apologise. I shouldn't have done what I did on the touchline. I apologise to Swindon and Dion. They're a good club, he's a good player. I don't know what came over me. I've had an emotional time. It's the first time I've been sent off.

Not sure it really warrants so much pearl clutching.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:23:29
Luke Williams? fuck that!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:25:31
Agree with this completely. Not a very good character in my book, and don't want him here regardless of promotion pedigree.

.... and this is based on?

If it's just his play off behaviour then I've seen a lot worse. You'd be writing off a lot of successful managers if that's where you draw the line.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:25:52
This for me in a nutshell.

As for his antics in the play-offs, it was pretty much something or nothing in a highly charged game. He came out and apologised afterwards;

Clarke, recently returned from bereavement leave following the death of a close family member, told Sky Sports: "I want to apologise. I shouldn't have done what I did on the touchline. I apologise to Swindon and Dion. They're a good club, he's a good player. I don't know what came over me. I've had an emotional time. It's the first time I've been sent off.

Not sure it really warrants so much pearl clutching.

I'd actually forgotten what everyone was talking about - I remember that now, christ, talk about a storm in a teacup if that's all that is winding people up about him.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:37:34
I'd actually forgotten what everyone was talking about - I remember that now, christ, talk about a storm in a teacup if that's all that is winding people up about him.

People's priorities are odd. Much of the fan base were alright with a man that hero worshipped Mussolini and had a history of giving fascist salutes from the pitch to far right ultra gangs.

But this makes someone beyond the pale.

Fuck that I want out of this suit division asap.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:44:49
.... and this is based on?

If it's just his play off behaviour then I've seen a lot worse. You'd be writing off a lot of successful managers if that's where you draw the line.

It's not that one antic, he has just always come across like a bit of a cretin to me, and therefore i don't want him.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:45:35
Surely its just the wounds of the night at Vale not fully healed.

People would settle down.

edit: Oh OK Riddick. Fair enough.

Where the hell did the dog wanking stuff come from?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:49:22
It's a lovely romantic notion but sadly one that I don't think is likely. You look down the list of who's who of league 2 managers and (maybe apart from Mark Hughes) it's a generic list of bog standard lower league managers. You look at clubs like Stevenage with Evans and Carlisle with Simpson and they've done absolutely brilliantly on what I'm assuming are budgets well below ours?



Steve Evans is an interesting one. His long managerial record is very mixed (and I'm not touching on the various scandals stretching back to his Boston days). There have been surprisingly good achievements and yet failures at what looked like ideal jobs. Peterborough United was supposed to be the job he'd long wanted but he lasted less than a year there.
But although Stevenage were a long price pre this season they were very quick off the mark putting together a much changed squad for the new campaign with an increased budget. I thought they'd do well but was not expecting they'd win  automatic promotion.

It is significant that Evans had nine matches in charge at the end of last season. That can be invaluable in assessing who and what needs changing and is not something the incoming manager at Swindon will have. But the sooner the new (and right) man is appointed the better.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:03:12
Quite like the idea of Clarke to be honest. Think he wants a break from the game though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:04:05
Me too, plus it would piss off Rovers fans. Win win.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:08:22
Steve Evans is an interesting one. His long managerial record is very mixed (and I'm not touching on the various scandals stretching back to his Boston days).
Touching being the operative word, flashing his cock at a female steward at Bradford he should have gone to prison for to add to his Boston 1 year suspended sentence, the man is a fucking balloon.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:08:52
Quite like the idea of Clarke to be honest. Think he wants a break from the game though.
He has had a year break from football in the last year at Port Vale ;)


Title: Re: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:16:19
Not sure if serious.....

I assume his style has changed a fair bit if this is a serious suggestion.

Though right now I'd say Notts County were a better bet for next season.
Oh I'm serious, wasnt he rumoured to be coming in as assistant with the Brighton matey in the summer? Then he's gone out and smashed it with Notts and were it not for Wrexham would be setting records of their own. Top scorers and second best defence behind Garrard's Borehamwood.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:16:27
The last paragraph doesn't suggest he wants a break....

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/darrell-clarke-port-vale-statement-8396359?fbclid=IwAR2qcWaJSbqtmcsSfaD2ZIMrQWpWsSnHPWmq8DupA02_WMCau3nCSZhe_xA


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:37:51
People's priorities are odd. Much of the fan base were alright with a man that hero worshipped Mussolini and had a history of giving fascist salutes from the pitch to far right ultra gangs.

But this makes someone beyond the pale.

Fuck that I want out of this suit division asap.

To be fair its nothing new, I remember all the fuss from some about Bircham because he had been arrested (but never charged) in the states then the complete silence about Morris who has quite the  history.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:53:45
I can't find any odds for the next Swindon manager yet. Usually Bet Victor are quite to have a book but they currently have nada.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:55:01
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23494562.next-swindon-town-manager-four-potential-replacements-jody-morris/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 14:56:12
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23494562.next-swindon-town-manager-four-potential-replacements-jody-morris/
Haha! Here we go again😁... I'm going to stick my neck out and say it will be none of these😉


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:02:24
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23494562.next-swindon-town-manager-four-potential-replacements-jody-morris/
All names mooted on here.
All available.
By tomorrow there will be a clear favourite who will not even be considered let alone interviewed.
All very predictable.
Lump money on there being more than 5 favourites throughout the process.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:02:46
Probably end up being Hughton. Didn’t we reject him as he wanted his own coaching team, if we’re now changing direction it would be very STFC to go running back.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:06:43
I'm going to say no to Clarke as he once said "damp squid" in a post match interview. Thick cunt.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:07:14
I'm going to say no to Clarke as he once said "damp squid" in a post match interview. Thick cunt.

Andy King once said Da Je Vu.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:10:32
Probably end up being Hughton. Didn’t we reject him as he wanted his own coaching team, if we’re now changing direction it would be very STFC to go running back.

I'd rather a younger manager. However SDM's departure note didn't mention a replacement right? So i'm all for his wages going elsewhere, extended coaching team etc.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:12:05
I'm going to say no to Clarke as he once said "damp squid" in a post match interview. Thick cunt.
😂


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:12:23
Never a dull moment at STFC.

Except on the pitch, of course.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:37:06
Dead against Clarke (obvious reasons) can fuck right off. Not too interested in Artell now. Cowleys better option, but still not my picks


Robbie Neilson or Leam Richardson be top appointments, whether both would come south is another thing. Graham Alexander/Steve Morison wouldn't be bad either.






Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:37:54
Is Sol Campbell available?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:38:02
Is there anyone decent in Scotland? Used to be a thing, them coming down here.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:47:40
Is Sol Campbell available?

Mock ye not!

 I actually think Sol Campbell could do a decent job as manager if he could find a club that wouldn't pull the financial rug from under his feet within weeks of his arrival. I fear no-one will take a chance on him though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:51:20
Is there anyone decent in Scotland? Used to be a thing, them coming down here.
We were linked a few years back to Paul Hartley, he had a good record in Scotland with Alloa, Dundee, Cove and Falkirk.

He was appointed manager at Hartlepool in the Summer, lasted 11 games with just 1 win at Pools.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:56:40
We were linked a few years back to Paul Hartley, he had a good record in Scotland with Alloa, Dundee, Cove and Falkirk.

He was appointed manager at Hartlepool in the Summer, lasted 11 games with just 1 win at Pools.

Was chatting to some Pools fans when I was up there for our game and he was not liked. Filled the team with Scottish dross.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:57:03
Is there anyone decent in Scotland? Used to be a thing, them coming down here.

It certainly did used to be a thing, just as nearly every successful team would have a number of Scottish players in their ranks.

Unless I'm mistaken there are only two Scottish managers in Leagues One and Two combined, the delightful couple of Derek Adams and Steve Evans; imagine being stuck in a lift with those two.

As for managers currently plying their trade North of the border there's no-one who stands out. Jack Ross came South with his reputation high and returned North with it somewhat tattered, and it's in ribbons now. Why he's had to take a job at newcastle  looking after their youngsters.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 15:59:09
We were linked a few years back to Paul Hartley, he had a good record in Scotland with Alloa, Dundee, Cove and Falkirk.

He was appointed manager at Hartlepool in the Summer, lasted 11 games with just 1 win at Pools.

He was gash at Hartlepool, even worse than Morris was here. In that he was also allowed to build a new squad over the summer and sacked after 1 win in 11 games with that new squad (who dropped out of the league at the end of the season), on that basis its a no from me.  


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:01:35
He was gash at Hartlepool, even worse than Morris was here. In that he was allowed to build a new squad over the summer and sacked after 11 games, on that basis its a no from me.  

There is little doubt that it was the disastrous appointment of Hartley that led in the end to Pools' relegation. Yes there was a lot of the season left when he was sacked but the damage was done, particularly in his terrible summer transfer dealings.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:57:29
Anyone know anything about Grant McCann? Over 40% career win record. Available.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:58:46
Anyone know anything about Grant McCann? Over 40% career win record. Available.

Good shout but probably waiting for the Peterborough job again....😀


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:01:47
Anyone know anything about Grant McCann? Over 40% career win record. Available.

He was someone I thought about when trying to think of out of work managers. He's never managed below league 1 level I think. Bit of a mixed bag but wouldn't be suicidal if he turned up a the CG.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:02:35
He was someone I thought about when trying to think of out of work managers. He's never managed below league 1 level I think. Bit of a mixed bag but wouldn't be suicidal if he turned up a the CG.

I was scanning past L1 and L2 managers of the year and there he was.

EDIT - Played a few years at Cheltenham so a small West Country link.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 18:35:23
Good shout but probably waiting for the Peterborough job again....😀

I think he'd avoid going back for a third time to the only club where he's not done a decent job.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 18:43:18
Jim Gannon. As Manager, Alan Lord to come with him as DoF/Consultant.

It's probably what Town could afford. No doubt everyone else mentioned so far would cost too much for a club so skint or unwilling to pay the going rate as STFC currently are.

On a semi serious note, Gannon has always been good at getting a tune out of kids and instilling belief. Has always liked to play the game in a fair way too. He's no doubt done in Pro Footy Management now but that wouldn't stop STFC going cheap yet experienced.

"He has a very very good tactical sense, he is a great motivator of players, he works particularly well with young players and brings them on...and he has boundless enthusiasm".

He'd also be relatively cheap to get rid of when he eventually falls out with Chairman/Captain/Assistant etc but at least he will have probably developed several young players into saleable assets.

Alan Lord [hopefully not the ex-con but the footy consultant variety] in as DoF. Knowing Town, they would also roll out an embalmed Danny Bergara in a ''buy two get a third free'' deal; announcing them as part of a triple swoop. Being honest, Bergara [deceased] aside, something like a ''Lord and Gannon'' would give a millions better outlook/prospect than the complete clusterfuck that has unravelled this season - especially if Town/Clem do still want to follow 'the model' somewhat.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 20:09:39
https://www.herefordfc.co.uk/interview-caddis-first-interview/

Caddis first interview at Hereford. Great answer to what style he wants to play.

Skip to 4:10 and give it a listen.

"I'm not a big huge fan of centre halves touching the ball 300 times. I don't like it."

He was desperate to come and manage here. Would have been proud to do so. Loves the club, knew the League, knew some of the players, had done some coaching with the younger players.

I do wonder if we missed a trick. Morris was a right misery guts and his body language suggested his tenure was borderline community service for him. Cadds would have be quite the opposite. A gamble, but a feelgood one.

And no, I'm not Hanners in disguise, as I know he bangs on about it!



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 20:13:07
https://www.herefordfc.co.uk/interview-caddis-first-interview/

Caddis first interview at Hereford. Great answer to what style he wants to play.

Skip to 4:10 and give it a listen.

"I'm not a big huge fan of centre halves touching the ball 300 times. I don't like it."

He was desperate to come and manage here. Would have been proud to do so. Loves the club, knew the League, knew some of the players, had done some coaching with the younger players.

I do wonder if we missed a trick. Morris was a right misery guts and his body language suggested his tenure was borderline community service for him. Cadds would have be quite the opposite. A gamble, but a feelgood one.

And no, I'm not Hanners in disguise, as I know he bangs on about it!



Released Miles Storey and Luke Haines already!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 20:15:11
Someone like Caddis you might give an opportunity as an Assistant here. Not as a number one. Maybe prime him for the Manager role in due course but you have him as Assistant alongside someone who has done it before [if they agree to it/don't have anyone to bring with them].


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 21:51:12
People's priorities are odd. Much of the fan base were alright with a man that hero worshipped Mussolini and had a history of giving fascist salutes from the pitch to far right ultra gangs.

But this makes someone beyond the pale.

Fuck that I want out of this suit division asap.

I got a good chuckle out of people who were incredulous we were considering an ex manager of a Bristol club in Danny Wilson, but were advocating for a guy who had supported, played for and managed one in Ian Holloway.

Fans are rarely consistent.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 22:01:25
I got a good chuckle out of people who were incredulous we were considering an ex manager of a Bristol club in Danny Wilson, but were advocating for a guy who had supported, played for and managed one in Ian Holloway.

Fans are rarely consistent.

I rememver when Holloway pimped himself out for the Town job by watching a game in the Town End


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: @MacPhlea on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 05:41:58
Picaretta with Austin as assistant…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 06:18:11
Picaretta with Austin as assistant…
Heart over head that one I fear.   Picaretta is a huge punt having never managed anyone before.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 06:30:36
Heart over head that one I fear.   Picaretta is a huge punt having never managed anyone before.

He managed Inter Turku and won the Finnish Cup with them.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 06:37:04
Picaretta with Austin as assistant…

No thanks.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 06:55:21
He managed Inter Turku and won the Finnish Cup with them.
Ok had missed that but only there 9 months in Finland.
I'd prefer someone who knows this level a bit more intimately as we just need to get out of this shite league.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:02:16
picaretta hasn't got any English lower league experience besides with PDC.

not like he's got anyone above to mentor him either


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:07:38
picaretta hasn't got any English lower league experience besides with PDC.

not like he's got anyone above to mentor him either

He’d be a good senior Academy appointment and nothing else.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:22:42
He’d be a good senior Academy appointment and nothing else.
He'd make quite a good assistant manager to be fair.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:26:44
Genuinely couldn't think of an appointment as uninspiring as Piccaretta. The years after PDC alluded to him being a balls, bins and comes guy if memory serves me right?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:32:14
Quote from: ThreeDrawsMentality
The years after PDC alluded to him being a balls, bins and comes guy if memory serves me right?

I'm assuming that's a typo, but with PDC ..


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:33:50
I didn't know too much about Piccareta apart from his spell here with PDC. Obviously it's only from Wikipedia but his background is fairly interesting. A lot of academy work in Italy, a short spell in Finland that seemed to go quite well although after winning the cup and leading Inter Turku into Europe he resigned to go and join Roma as the under 17s coach.

Not a huge amount to really whet your whistle about him being the new manager, although I do like this bit when he was working with PDC here - Piccareta spoke of sharing footballing philosophies with Di Canio setting out a plan to bring a "strong identity" to Swindon along with an "Italian methodology in training" and that their "kind of football won't be boring for the fans"

All great buzz words that will be music to many Swindon fans' ears.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:39:31
He'd make quite a good assistant manager to be fair.


Yes, fair but I sort of rule that out on the basis that I can’t see anyone who would appoint him as their assistant being appointed manager if that makes sense?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:47:44


Not a huge amount to really whet your whistle about him being the new manager, although I do like this bit when he was working with PDC here - Piccareta spoke of sharing footballing philosophies with Di Canio setting out a plan to bring a "strong identity" to Swindon along with an "Italian methodology in training" and that their "kind of football won't be boring for the fans"

All great buzz words that will be music to many Swindon fans' ears.

I’m sold. When can he start?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 07:49:27
Wouldn’t turn my nose up at Piccareta.

Obviously would be a big gamble. Think we’ve probably had our fingers burnt by Morris, so imagine we’ll go dull this time.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 08:56:58
I don’t quite understand the objection to a manager that has failed somewhere else, on the basis that most of them have failed at some point.

There are many here that would happily have Wellens back, but even he has failed more than he has succeeded (2 good out of 5 jobs).

There are no guarantees, just probability.   In most cases it just depends on circumstances.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:01:11
Bah - I don't care anymore. Just get someone in who can be versatile, get the squad of players organised and disciplined. This season has shown it doesn't really matter how much quality you have in this league... Just put together a well drilled side. If you then have a couple of players with flashes of class you'll probably be alright.

Chances are whoever it is will be shit and leave / good and be poached within a year anyway!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:06:14
Bah - I don't care anymore. Just get someone in who can be versatile, get the squad of players organised and disciplined. This season has shown it doesn't really matter how much quality you have in this league... Just put together a well drilled side. If you then have a couple of players with flashes of class you'll probably be alright.

Chances are whoever it is will be shit and leave / good and be poached within a year anyway!
100% agreed on all counts...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:09:23
Bah - I don't care anymore. Just get someone in who can be versatile, get the squad of players organised and disciplined. This season has shown it doesn't really matter how much quality you have in this league... Just put together a well drilled side. If you then have a couple of players with flashes of class you'll probably be alright.

Chances are whoever it is will be shit and leave / good and be poached within a year anyway!

Yeah, I'm tired of it all really. This regime have absolutely worn me down with dross. I struggle to even get angry about it all. Just start getting the basics right for fuck sake.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:13:01
I’m sold. When can he start?

he'll be appointed the day the transfer window SLAMS shut.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:14:42
Yeah, I'm tired of it all really. This regime have absolutely worn me down with dross. I struggle to even get angry about it all. Just start getting the basics right for fuck sake.

Yes, the off the pitch stuff does seem to annoy me more than on the pitch at the moment. Absolute clown show. What faith do we have that two people (Clem/Rob) who have zero background in football are capable of organising a manager search? A proper football CEO or genuine Director of Football should be priority #1.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:19:16
Bah - I don't care anymore. Just get someone in who can be versatile, get the squad of players organised and disciplined. This season has shown it doesn't really matter how much quality you have in this league... Just put together a well drilled side. If you then have a couple of players with flashes of class you'll probably be alright.

Chances are whoever it is will be shit and leave / good and be poached within a year anyway!

Yeah, other than a vague feeling of "fit" I've given up on 'who do you want'.

As I said before, last manager I was massively against us appointing was Wellens!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:36:38
Yeah, I'm tired of it all really. This regime have absolutely worn me down with dross. I struggle to even get angry about it all. Just start getting the basics right for fuck sake.

I don't doubt that Clem's intentions are good, but this season has just been a fucking disaster. If (big if) we have a good season next season then we can probably put this year down to some 'teething' issues and perhaps a bit of naivety but if next season follows on from this then I'm not sure how he comes back from it.

I know Rob works very hard but I do think him shifting positions and getting a more football oriented CEO in would be a smart move.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:46:16
Karl Robinson will be assissting Big Sam at direty Leeds so hopefully he remains well out of the running.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:48:42
Bah - I don't care anymore. Just get someone in who can be versatile, get the squad of players organised and disciplined. This season has shown it doesn't really matter how much quality you have in this league... Just put together a well drilled side. If you then have a couple of players with flashes of class you'll probably be alright.

Chances are whoever it is will be shit and leave / good and be poached within a year anyway!
A totally defeatest attitude that, and one I am in absolute agreement with.

Its the story of being a Swindon fan (and most lower league clubs too).


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:56:29
and on Piccareta I know a lot of people long for the Di Canio days, but he could have been our manager and decided to walk out on us. On that basis, I'd rather not.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 10:09:04
and on Piccareta I know a lot of people long for the Di Canio days, but he could have been our manager and decided to walk out on us. On that basis, I'd rather not.
Indeed, Piccareta seems like a decent bloke who genuinely does love his time he had at Swindon. We have moved on now though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 11:02:31
Funnier tings have happened, it wouldn’t at all suprise me to see a him and Cads team. When interviewed in the 1879 suite, he names Cads as his stand out player.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 11:38:59
Funnier tings have happened, it wouldn’t at all suprise me to see a him and Cads team. When interviewed in the 1879 suite, he names Cads as his stand out player.
I doubt Caddis would leave a job he only officially took up on the 1st May.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 12:05:25
I don't get our fanbase obsession with ex players/coaches - no examples of ex players/coaches having success in the past.  Let's try Jamie SW.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 12:10:57
I don't get our fanbase obsession with ex players/coaches - no examples of ex players/coaches having success in the past.  Let's try Jamie SW.

Give it to Fjortoft jr. He's shown more tactical acumen and knowhow on co-comms than we have seen in the dug out this season


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 12:14:46
Give it to Fjortoft jr. He's shown more tactical acumen and knowhow on co-comms than we have seen in the dug out this season

Comes across as being very articulate too.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 12:49:41
Comes across as being very articulate too.
The pre and post match interviews would be so great


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:08:14
Give it to Fjortoft jr. He's shown more tactical acumen and knowhow on co-comms than we have seen in the dug out this season

Now that’s not a bad idea.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:20:25
Let’s give it to Glenn Hoddle’s postman. He always delivers.

FFS… Fjortoft’s son?! This is getting stupid. We need an appointment now just to stop these suggestions!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:22:06
Minor thing I know but pretty sure he doesn't have the relevant coaching badges.

I suppose Gunning still doesn't either thinking about it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:25:13
I don't get our fanbase obsession with ex players/coaches - no examples of ex players/coaches having success in the past.  Let's try Jamie SW.
EX Players kids as well now.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:41:13
If we are going down the ex players route it has to be Grant. If the young players haven't already had their confidence shot to shit by Morris they would be quitting the game after a couple of weeks of Grants motivational methods.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:45:02
If we are going down the ex players route it has to be Grant. If the young players haven't already had their confidence shot to shit by Morris they would be quitting the game after a couple of weeks of Grants motivational methods.

Sheridactyl DoF, Morris First Team Coach, Grant Assistant.

Welcome to Morale United.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:46:35
Still no betting odds


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:47:26
I don't get our fanbase obsession with ex players/coaches - no examples of ex players/coaches having success in the past.  Let's try Jamie SW.

Maybe because we've been tied by people like Morris who don't care about the club at all


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 16:36:18
Not sure many of the people we think care actually do either tbh. Only ever seem to hear or give a fuck when theres a managers job going


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 16:43:50
Well I hope the eagle eyed amongst you will be scanning the DR for potential managers running the rule over the club on Monday.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 16:45:20
Danny Cowley has been at every game the last month or so. Can't wait to see how excited people get over it


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 16:54:40
Maybe Clem has been ahead of the game!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 17:06:20
Danny Cowley has been at every game the last month or so. Can't wait to see how excited people get over it

You have evidence?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 17:09:04
Cowley just feels too far the other way for me for the players that we have.  
He's always played a variation of hoofball, can he adapt enough or is it throwing baby out with the bathwater?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 17:20:38
Quote from: Pookemon
Cowley just feels too far the other way for me for the players that we have.  
He's always played a variation of hoofball, can he adapt enough or is it throwing baby out with the bathwater?

Indeed.

Though if I'm honest I've only really seen his team play when we've played them.

I remember the Lincoln air raid siren particularly..

I'd take it if it came with promotion, also not sure how our remaining squad would fit in with it based on the little I've e seen


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 18:07:41
Of the players we have, I could see Cowley liking Hutton, FBT and maybe Austin and Khan. Otherwise that would be a whole lot of turnover!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 18:08:24
You have evidence?
There was a picture of him at (I think) the Gillingham game and I remember thinking it was a very random game for him to be at...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 18:15:56
There was a picture of him at (I think) the Gillingham game and I remember thinking it was a very random game for him to be at...

When was that?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 18:19:39
Danny Cowley has been at every game the last month or so. Can't wait to see how excited people get over it

PE teacher in a tracksuit.
I just hope not and a disaster in the making.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:22:35
You have evidence?
I have seen him. Why would i lie?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:34:17
PE teacher in a tracksuit.
I just hope not and a disaster in the making.


In what way would it be a disaster?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:35:07
I have seen him. Why would i lie?

Why wouldn’t you? I don’t know you from Adam, or Eve for that matter. You wouldn’t be the first on here to tell porkies. So, I like everyone else has to take what you’ve stated at face value.

Question I’d like to ask then is when did you first see him/them?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:36:55
Ive seen a photo also, think it was on twitter. Was sat in the posh seats. Probably been scouting for someone or something


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:38:52
Why wouldn’t you? I don’t know you from Adam, or Eve for that matter. You wouldn’t be the first on here to tell porkies. So, I like everyone else has to take what you’ve stated at face value.

Question I’d like to ask then is when did you first see him/them?
Ha fucking hell.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 19:55:28
I've seen it mentioned too.

I can't confirm because my eyes are shit and I don't have a fucking clue what he looks like anyway


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 20:26:27
I’ve also seen the pic of him at a match more recently than the Gillingham match if I remember correctly. Either way I’d be surprised if it was him, Clarke, Flynn or the known names mentioned. Not that I’d be against a known name, just can’t see it being any of the obvious known names.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:06:07
PE teacher in a tracksuit.
I just hope not and a disaster in the making.



As opposed to Bertie Mee; physiotherapist in a tracksuit, Gerard Houllier; deputy headmaster in a tracksuit, Mark Warburton; city trader in a tracksuit?
The constant reference to the previous employment of the Cowley brothers is boring and ridiculous. All it proves is they had to work much harder to achieve what they have than those who had long careers in the professional game.
Far from being a disaster I believe appointing the Cowleys would lead to one of the best periods in Swindon Town's history.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 09:24:39
PE teacher in a tracksuit.
I just hope not and a disaster in the making.



Aren't all PE teachers in a tracksuit? Certainly at the schools I went to they were.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:15:27
Mr Baxter wore one.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 10:36:29
Isn't a manager/ head coach nothing more than a glorified PE teacher anyway? An older head trying to get some kids to kick a bag of wind around in an organised fashion?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:24:11
Aren't all PE teachers in a tracksuit? Certainly at the schools I went to they were.

Yes even when they've teaching Maths, and they ALL teach maths for some reason.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:59:00
Why wouldn’t you? I don’t know you from Adam, or Eve for that matter. You wouldn’t be the first on here to tell porkies. So, I like everyone else has to take what you’ve stated at face value.

Question I’d like to ask then is when did you first see him/them?

FFS, and people wonder why people don't post what they know on here.  Why do you bother coming on here if you don't believe anything posted unless it is documented and proved with a DNA sample and photgraphic evidence.  If you don't believe him get off your arse and go down to the CG yourself on match days and see


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:11:48
with a DNA sample

Bloody hell don't get him started on DNA


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:13:03
Bloody hell don't get him started on DNA

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :suicide:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:13:21
Bloody hell don't get him started on DNA
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:53:13
FFS, and people wonder why people don't post what they know on here.  Why do you bother coming on here if you don't believe anything posted unless it is documented and proved with a DNA sample and photgraphic evidence.  If you don't believe him get off your arse and go down to the CG yourself on match days and see

I do go down on match days. Mostly anyway, when there’s something decent to watch. Have you never heard the term ‘believe half what you hear and all that you see’? FFS this is a fans forum with the strap line 25% football 80% bollocks, really? Should 100% bollocks. For the record I don’t really care wether he’s been sat in the DR, Town End or Arkells, I really don’t but with the stuff that gets posted on here why wouldn’t I query the fella? Lastly, really don’t think people stop posting on here because I use the term DNA or Poxford or whatever (others do, that seems to be ok) people don’t post on here because of the Internet bullying that goes on in this site unchecked by the mods who are anything but. HTH.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 16:19:23
Have you never heard the term ‘believe half what you hear and all that you see’?

Or in the words of Norman Whitfield "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 16:29:48
Or in the words of Norman Whitfield "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".

Similar. The underlying message is broadly the same.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 17:21:40
I do go down on match days. Mostly anyway, when there’s something decent to watch. Have you never heard the term ‘believe half what you hear and all that you see’? FFS this is a fans forum with the strap line 25% football 80% bollocks, really? Should 100% bollocks. For the record I don’t really care wether he’s been sat in the DR, Town End or Arkells, I really don’t but with the stuff that gets posted on here why wouldn’t I query the fella? Lastly, really don’t think people stop posting on here because I use the term DNA or Poxford or whatever (others do, that seems to be ok) people don’t post on here because of the Internet bullying that goes on in this site unchecked by the mods who are anything but. HTH.

If this are your real views, why do even bother coming on here then? or is that classed as bullying? If so I am happy to be banned, or cancelled, or whatever your demographic call it these days..


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 17:52:02
If this are your real views, why do even bother coming on here then? or is that classed as bullying? If so I am happy to be banned, or cancelled, or whatever your demographic call it these days..

By and large I enjoy coming here, at times I wonder why but then I’m not one to cow tow to keyboard warriors or any one calling me anything unsavoury. Makes me laugh, the more it’s done the more I laugh. PS. You won’t get banned 😉


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lethbridge70 on Friday, May 5, 2023, 10:32:05
I find it strange how there seems to be no new manager odds available.??


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, May 5, 2023, 11:28:14
I reckon it’s done


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, May 5, 2023, 11:31:38
I reckon it’s done

And who do you reckon it is?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Berniman on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:07:15
By and large I enjoy coming here, at times I wonder why but then I’m not one to cow tow to keyboard warriors or any one calling me anything unsavoury. Makes me laugh, the more it’s done the more I laugh. PS. You won’t get banned 😉

I don't believe a word of any of that, obviously because I don't know you from Adam.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:22:11
I reckon it’s done

I'm beginning to think that also - surely by now Bookies would have odds up?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:27:48
I'm beginning to think that also - surely by now Bookies would have odds up?

It's unusual not to have been able to find any odds on a new manager market but I'm not sure that mean's an appointment is imminent. I hope it is because that would suggest the powers that be at the club have been planning his successor before sacking Morris.
Of course the important thing is that it's the right new man; and his brother.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:29:25
What if the budget dosen't allow for both brothers😀


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:37:28
I wonder if there was a get out for the club (and possibly Morris) at the end of the season, and knowing that the club had already started looking for a replacement.

Maybe this was the big announcement that was being hinted at a few weeks ago?



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:38:20
What if the budget dosen't allow for both brothers😀

I'm sure I remember hearing Danny say some time ago that they split the manager/assistant salaries equally. So it depends how much the combined pay would be and how low a figure they'd accept. I got the impression the money they were paid at Huddersfield was life changing.
One thing is certain, in the words of the old song "you can't have one without the other".


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:39:45
I'm sure I remember hearing Danny say some time ago that they split the manager/assistant salaries equally. So it depends how much the combined pay would be and how low a figure they'd accept. I got the impression the money they were paid at Huddersfield was life changing.
One thing is certain, in the words of the old song "you can't have one without the other".

Double trouble😀


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:41:06
I've decided that Paolo's coming back. Don't know why. Just a feeling.

Clem and Rob have shat themselves at the season ticket number, binned Morris as they've spotted and loophole and are going all in for some crazy Italian shenanigans. It all ends in tears but who gives a fuck, it'll be glorious and we will sell 10,000 season tickets (maybe).  :pint:

Meanwhile, the Cowleys and the rest of the bargain bucket managers touted around don't shift a single extra ticket.

EDIT - also, Cowley is a place in Oxford, so fuck those pricks.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:48:45
I've decided that Paolo's coming back. Don't know why. Just a feeling.

Clem and Rob have shat themselves at the season ticket number, binned Morris as they've spotted and loophole and are going all in for some crazy Italian shenanigans. It all ends in tears but who gives a fuck, it'll be glorious and we will sell 10,000 season tickets (maybe).  :pint:

Meanwhile, the Cowleys and the rest of the bargain bucket managers touted around don't shift a single extra ticket.

The extraordinary success the Cowleys had at Lincoln was more than equalled by the remarkable increase in attendances. Obviously this wouldn't affect season ticket sales for the coming season. But even if they only had half the impact they did at Sincil Bank Swindon Town would be selling out for every home match by the business end of next season.

Mind Paolo and his loyal backroom team would have taken some beating.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:51:13
I'm beginning to think that also - surely by now Bookies would have odds up?

It could be a plethora of things, the betting market for our new manager will be very small fry and if Sandro for instance was the conduit for the info that was coming out and now nowt is leaking I imagine the bookies have nothing to go on and bigger fish to fry.

Plus I wonder whether things are all being blurred by there only being one game left and the potential that a whole load more managers will enter the job market at the end of the season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:53:42
We need someone to look at the guest list for Monday!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:56:21
Crazy isn't that there has been no leaks from the club the last week over the new manager lkike there was last time. Trying to figure out what has changed since then


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:56:29
We need someone to look at the guest list for Monday!

Be careful what you wish for...


"Ronnie Biggs - Club Treasurer"


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:58:14
Be careful what you wish for...


"Ronnie Biggs - Club Treasurer"

It was a missprint :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 5, 2023, 13:07:23
Crazy isn't that there has been no leaks from the club the last week over the new manager lkike there was last time. Trying to figure out what has changed since then

No-one left at the club to leak!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 5, 2023, 13:11:51
How is the Karachi FC Manager doing this season?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 5, 2023, 13:15:55
How is the Karachi FC Manager doing this season?

Rather like Scott Whingey (rather proud of that), he can claim it to be their best ever start to a season. Principally because they didn't exist prior to this one!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Friday, May 5, 2023, 18:49:04
Clems had his say in the programme

(Have to zoom in)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 5, 2023, 18:51:20
Clems had his say in the programme

(Have to zoom in)

"My thanks to Sandro and Jody for their hard work"  ...oh ...wait. He didn't say that!

Definitely not much love lost all round is there?!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, May 5, 2023, 18:52:39
Plenty of arguments over Zoom!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 5, 2023, 19:13:24
Yeah, quote...

"Work is well underway to find our next manager, with a decision made shortly."

Make of that what you will, i guess nobody wants to correct his english? Have they made the decision, or will they make the decision shortly. Who the hell knows from that.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 5, 2023, 20:33:27
"My thanks to Sandro and Jody for their hard work"  ...oh ...wait. He didn't say that!

Definitely not much love lost all round is there?!

My suspicion is that it all got a bit like the England Cricket team when Kevin Pietersen was captain and fell out with the coach Peter Moores so spectacularly that the board ended up sacking them both - Morris and Sandro at loggerheads to the extent that retaining neither of them was the preferable option. I imagine Morfuni is less than chuffed about that outcome.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, May 5, 2023, 20:44:47
Artell - Done


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 5, 2023, 20:45:11
My suspicion is that it all got a bit like the England Cricket team when Kevin Pietersen was captain and fell out with the coach Peter Moores so spectacularly that the board ended up sacking them both - Morris and Sandro at loggerheads to the extent that retaining neither of them was the preferable option. I imagine Morfuni is less than chuffed about that outcome.

Which, if correct, is a bit on Rob Angus, right? Given that the Vice Chairman Matchday Guest is out of the picture, Rob should be running this day to day. Although he is clearly in a ridiculous situation where is probably fixing the loos, replacing the lighbulbs, cooking the hotdogs etc, so set up to fail too.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 5, 2023, 20:46:30
Artell - Done

Please God no... the man is an absolute doofus.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: welshred on Friday, May 5, 2023, 20:53:26
Artell - Done

Sure about that?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 5, 2023, 21:08:24
Please God no... the man is an absolute doofus.

Personal opinion (which is fine if it is) or there is some reason for this view?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 5, 2023, 21:10:53
Artell is just more of the same.

Still, I’ll support him until I don’t.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 5, 2023, 21:16:22
Personal opinion (which is fine if it is) or there is some reason for this view?

Just personal opinion. Might be a lovely guy but, hey, its football and I've decided I hate the bloke off about 5 mins observation over the years.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Processed Beats on Friday, May 5, 2023, 21:59:21
Please no.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, May 5, 2023, 22:03:56
This is just speculation, right?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, May 5, 2023, 22:14:49
Artell is just more of the same.

Still, I’ll support him until I don’t.

He's not a youth academy manager.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Friday, May 5, 2023, 23:06:03
ARTELL OUT

What do we want?
A new manager!
When do we want it?
Now
Here’s David Artell the new manager
NO, NOT HIM BOOOOOO !!!! WHINGE, MOAN


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, May 5, 2023, 23:43:39
Never known a fan base moan so much 😂

It can’t just be ours surely 😂


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, May 5, 2023, 23:57:29
Could do a lot worse.

Done well with limited resources at Crewe, took time to get it right but had 2 real good years back to back in promotion season and then 12th in League 1 season after.

Stable and safe appointment - can’t really fault it/blame club after Morris appointment going wrong in every way possible. Knows the leagues. Only question I have is why he’s been out of work this long when there’s so many vacancies coming up.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 05:03:46
He's not a youth academy manager.
Similar philosophy, though. I think people were expecting/hoping for a more pragmatic approach this time.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 05:19:44
With 550 odd games under his belt at the lower levels as a player & a further 270 odd as manager - I’m sure he’s got a basic idea of what’s needed in his league to go alongside any aforementioned philosophies.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 07:04:43
Never known a fan base moan so much 😂

It can’t just be ours surely 😂
I'm absolutely certain that it's every fan base without exception, nothing particularly unusual about ours.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 07:44:39
Where does it say Artell will be the new manager?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 08:32:33
Can only see Gunning being “the best choice” and back to where we are, low budget and another sesson of misery.
My confidence just shot now.

Monday draw the curtains and wait. Would be a great to be lifted by some real positivity behind the scenes but live in hope that most of us do.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 08:37:20
ARTELL OUT

What do we want?
A new manager!
When do we want it?
Now
Here’s David Artell the new manager
NO, NOT HIM BOOOOOO !!!! WHINGE, MOAN

Like you were with Morris  :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 08:43:09
Where does it say Artell will be the new manager?
Quagmire said it...so it must be true...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 08:53:30
Probably been posted previously but here’s a really good insight into Artell.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/david-artell-crewe-reflection-steve-holland-pep-guardiola/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 09:01:29
Artell would be a step up on what we had at any point this season, done well Crewe with a tight budget until Crewe had to sell players. Certainly knows the lower leagues and has plenty of experience. Not an exciting appointment it true, but a safe and sensible one.
 We could appoint Klopp or Pep and there would still be moaners on here!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 12:02:05
I’m guessing the lack of any betting market for our next manager is down to it already being a done deal.

Fans being the last to know obviously.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 12:04:31
Like you were with Morris  :)

I actually liked the appointment of Morris to begin with. It’s the type of managerial appointment I tend to like & the type we’ve done well with in the past.
Then after about his first 3 team / formation selections - it was clear he didn’t have a clue.


]
Can only see Gunning being “the best choice” and back to where we are, low budget and another sesson of misery.
My confidence just shot now.

Monday draw the curtains and wait. Would be a great to be lifted by some real positivity behind the scenes but live in hope that most of us do.

…what is our budget for next season?
How does that compare to everyone else budget?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 12:06:49
I’m guessing the lack of any betting market for our next manager is down to it already being a done deal.

Fans being the last to know obviously.

It could be something contractual, or maybe they want to unveil them after the last game of the season.

Can you imagine the meltdown  if they let the OSC & it's members know before everyone else :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 12:23:45
I'm expecting the new manager to be unveiled at, or just before, the fans forum. I don't know anything, I just think it would be logical as the atmosphere in that room is going to be pretty fucking grim otherwise if it's just Angus and Clem on Zoom.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 12:30:09
Quagmire said it...so it must be true...

 :D

I deserved that to be fair.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 12:55:00
Shouldn’t have long to wait then



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:11:30
Clems had his say in the programme

(Have to zoom in)

Keep up Aud


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:12:07
Yesterday's news😆


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:24:51
I am yesterday’s man


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:27:07
How you finding the UK🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:30:59
Fucking cold. Fucking wet. Full of ugly chavs.

Loving it!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:43:26
Welcome home  :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:51:00
Fucking cold. Fucking wet. Full of ugly chavs.

Loving it!

I bet you miss the sunshine


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:56:32
Didn’t move back for the weather, tbh!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: hefty toe on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 13:59:24
Would be happy enough with Artell.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 14:16:21
Didn’t move back for the weather, tbh!

Interesting to know how you think the UK has changed since you last lived here permanently.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 14:23:23
In a bid to boost season ticket sales, Clem Formuni and Bobby Hangus are set to announce Neil Pye as the new manager of STFC.

He will make his comments about budgetary constraints known to the Town faithful by reading his letter to the bank manager out, at the upcoming ''Fans Forum''

 :pint:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 14:30:47
Does anyone have reason to believe that Artell is a done deal or is everyone just talking like it is on an assumption?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 14:32:39
Quagmire said so!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 14:53:00
It wouldn't be the first time Quaggy has played Tinker. We could appoint Matt Taylor or even a former Soldier but I Spy he is up to no good.

Either I'm pissed that the match didn't KO at 2pm today

#FuckTheMonarchy


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 16:51:10
Does anyone have reason to believe that Artell is a done deal or is everyone just talking like it is on an assumption?

Only on Quagmire’s say so but he’s usually one for getting straight to the point and being right rather than dropping vague hints and posting riddles.

Off the top of my head I’m sure he was the first to post about Austin in January, Ben Garner & Rob Angus coming in the previous year.

I take everything I read with a pinch of salt but Quaggy generally tends to be reliable
(which also makes it easy for him to troll us all. Reverse boy who cried Wolf)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 16:53:56
Question for Artell if appointed:
Why Swindon if they blew you in January🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 16:57:15

Quaggy generally tends to be reliable


My ex misses would probably disagree.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 16:58:37
Question for Artell if appointed:
Why Swindon if they blew you in January🤣

That's simple, he can't afford to be too proud. He's been out of work over a year and he isn't going to get a better offer than  Swindon Town.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 16:59:26
Quaggy tends to be quite reliable for STFC information before it’s made public.
However, he can’t reliable satisfy a woman.


(that better 😜)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 17:08:32
Quaggy tends to be quite reliable for STFC information before it’s made public.
However, he can’t reliable satisfy a woman.


(that better 😜)

 :D :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 17:20:51
That's simple, he can't afford to be too proud. He's been out of work over a year and he isn't going to get a better offer than  Swindon Town.

If you were going for a job interview you would expect to be asked why so long since your last job!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 17:24:24
:D :girlgiggle:


Women, men will never understand them .....worth it's own thread🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 18:20:55
If you were going for a job interview you would expect to be asked why so long since your last job!


That's easy, you just tell the interviewer/s no-one in the last year had the wisdom and farsightedness the Swindon owners are  showing now; or the usual I've had other offers but nothing excited me like the "project" at Swindon Town.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 18:35:33
That's easy, you just tell the interviewer/s no-one in the last year had the wisdom and farsightedness the Swindon owners are  showing now; or the usual I've had other offers but nothing excited me like the "project" at Swindon Town.


 :clap: :clap:

Just one question from Artell - Can you tell me why I never got the job in January if I interviewed so well🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 19:08:22
I think I believed Artell would have been the right call in January - he has experience of the lower leagues as a player and had worked with a similar set-up at Crewe with success.  You'd like to think we could do a better version of Crewe, and that we'd be able to have a bit of experience brought in now as well.  He seems to tick enough boxes to be given a go.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 19:12:59
I agree Robert he does tick all the boxes and I would be pleased if he got the job failing that I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Flynn was the preferred choice.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Qunk on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 19:21:35
I’d be more than happy with Artell or Flynn. I seem to remember hoping for Flynn after Clem took over


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lardy Cake on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 09:03:45
Just catching up on this thread. Interesting article on Artell posted by Audrey a day or so back.
If Artell has realised he took on far too much at Crewe and now understands he needs to leave so many things to others to manage why would he come to Swindon ? The poor management set up at Crewe he mentions seems very similar to the one we now have at Swindon.
If he is offered the job here I guess he will also be given a broom to stick up his ass !!!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:23:42
Artell - Done

Not the case…


I thought it woulda been him too.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:24:25
Not the case…

Announcement could be as soon as today apparently?

Does look like I was wrong with regards to Artell though.

(Sorry all)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:27:55
So far I’ve had 4 people tell me they’re convinced they know who the new manager is and no 2 of them have the same name. It’s quite funny actually, I love this part of the process, all the rumours and names.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:42:45
It's sounds like a straight choice between the Cowley Brothers and Michael Flynn and no I'm not in the know😆


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:01:05
I’d heard that Clem wanted Flynn before Garner got the job, but I believe at the time he was still at Newport and we wouldn’t pay the compensation
.

Whether that means anything or not, who knows


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:09:27
Either way sooner rather than later would be more beneficial for all concerned.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:20:02
I don't care if county are 2-0 down.

I'd rather shove knitting needles up my pee hole while watching the coronation on loop than have Luke Williams back


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:25:11
I don't care if county are 2-0 down.

I'd rather shove knitting needles up my pee hole while watching the coronation on loop than have Luke Williams back

I understand that’s called sounding. Watching the coronation on a loop makes you a Tory.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:30:53
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
Watching the coronation on a loop makes you a Tory.

Good lord, does it. I couldn't find one left to ask in Swindon


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: wokinghamred on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:32:37
I don't care if county are 2-0 down.

I'd rather shove knitting needles up my pee hole while watching the coronation on loop than have Luke Williams back
Luke Garrard anybody?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:33:51
Grim stuff


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:41:31
Good lord, does it. I couldn't find one left to ask in Swindon

Well among your lefty acolytes I’m not surprised. Try casting your net a little further.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:03:39
Luke Garrard anybody?

My choice tbh.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:08:12
Luke Garrard anybody?
I’d give him a go, someone that seems to be on the up and seems to get a team well drilled on limited resources. The numbers are literally falling off the Boreham players shirts which shows how limited their budget must be.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:09:21
Luke Garrard anybody?
Notts County, look like Swindon, all passing and no quality around the box.

Boreham Wood resort to hoofing the ball away and barely touching the ball and trying to score on the counter.

Not exactly an exciting advertisment for football this game.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: wokinghamred on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:11:11
My choice tbh.
I'm no big fan, but he does seem to get the big results.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:14:48
I think Luke Garrard would have been a good appointment last Summer instead of Lyndsey but can't see Clem taking a chance on another inexperienced manager at this level.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:16:30
Garrard does like to get his teams playing with the "dark arts". Chalk and cheese with a Williams teams today. FWIW I wouldnt want either of these as manager, one extreme to the other.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:17:12
I think Luke Garrard would have been a good appointment last Summer instead of Lyndsey but can't see Clem taking a chance on another inexperienced manager at this level.
Is there much of difference in standard? I notice they have the best defence in the national league average less than a goal a game which suggests he knows how to set up a team.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:19:35
I think Luke Garrard would have been a good appointment last Summer instead of Lyndsey but can't see Clem taking a chance on another inexperienced manager at this level.

In experience? He's literally in the play offs in the league below and faced several league teams in cup runs. The reality is, it isn't a huge jump.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:19:59
Is there much of difference in standard? I notice they have the best defence in the national league average less than a goal a game which suggests he knows how to set up a team.

Possibly not but a bigger team which we are comes with more expectation and maybe the owner doesn't want to take the risk again.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:21:58
Possibly not but a bigger team which we are comes with more expectation and maybe the owner doesn't want to take the risk again.
I don’t see how it’s any more of risk than going for anyone that’s already failed at this level? In fact surely that’s more of a risk as there’s already a track record?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:22:25
Is there much of difference in standard? I notice they have the best defence in the national league average less than a goal a game which suggests he knows how to set up a team.
The difference in standard isnt that much TBH between our league and the Conference but my god this Boreham wood side are not exciting to watch. They set up like Harrogate or a Cowley team, massive players with 2 quick strikers who counter attack. It would be a massive culture shock and we do not have one player in our team that would be able to play the way "Wood" set up.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:22:56
In experience? He's literally in the play offs in the league below and faced several league teams in cup runs. The reality is, it isn't a huge jump.

I'm not disputing what you're saying but it's Clem you have to convince as he's had his fingers burn twice already.
Anyway I thought the position had been filled pending an announcement😀


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:23:59
seems a bit direct. but if it got us up. m


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:26:05
seems a bit direct. but if it got us up. m
A bit? :D

My worry is that if we did appoint him or someone similar then we would need at least 12 or 13 new players to suit the style and get rid of every player we have almost without being able to keep any, bar maybe FBT.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:28:59
A bit? :D

My worry is that if we did appoint him or someone similar then we would need at least 12 or 13 new players to suit the style and get rid of every player we have almost without being able to keep any, bar maybe FBT.

I’d be delighted with that.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:31:40
A bit? :D

My worry is that if we did appoint him or someone similar then we would need at least 12 or 13 new players to suit the style and get rid of every player we have almost without being able to keep any, bar maybe FBT.

Which is possibly why Artell fits more.

TBF, we are probably going to need that many new players anyway, the difference being most of them would need to be starters.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:37:15
A bit? :D

My worry is that if we did appoint him or someone similar then we would need at least 12 or 13 new players to suit the style and get rid of every player we have almost without being able to keep any, bar maybe FBT.

Sold.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:57:11
Throwing a name out there.
Steve Cotterill looks set to leave Shrewsbury.

I’d snap your hands off for him.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:58:03
Our mate Ryan Whelan reporting it’s Flynn.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:59:03
Throwing a name out there.
Steve Cotterill looks set to leave Shrewsbury.

I’d snap your hands off for him.

I wouldn't, always comes across as a bit of a Whiney prick (a bit like Morris).
That said, I'd rather have him than Evans


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lemis on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:01:15
Our mate Ryan Whelan reporting it’s Flynn.

Still not sure how much truth his articles are, most the time they're either clickbait or stating the obvious. Guess we'll see if he still has a source in the club or whether he's talking shite


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:02:07
I'd be disappointed with Flynn. Got to be honest.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Processed Beats on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:02:30
Flynn had his best spell when he had Lenny Lawrence as his director of football. Been shit without him.

Underwhelmed.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:04:48
Flynn had his best spell when he had Lenny Lawrence as his director of football. Been shit without him.

Underwhelmed.
Same as Trollope. Show’s importance of the football man in DoF positions


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:05:09
Flynn had his best spell when he had Lenny Lawrence as his director of football. Been shit without him.

Underwhelmed.

Any chance Lawrence is coming with him?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:05:21
Coterill would be a good choice just to piss off the Bristol City fans but his health hasn't been the best since he had Covid so wouldn't be surprised if he's getting out of management for the foreseeable future.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:06:32
This seems a complete U-turn. A desperate attempt from Clem to get out of this league.

We don't have the players for Flynn. We are stuck with tippy tappy contracted players.

Can you imagine Mceachran and Cain under him?

Does anybody see how this can possibly work?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:07:44
If its flynn expect nothing different next season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:07:58
Flynn had his best spell when he had Lenny Lawrence as his director of football. Been shit without him.

Underwhelmed.

That’s unlike you.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:08:22
If its flynn expect nothing different next season.

I mean, it will almost certainly be different. Possibly not any *better* but very different.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:09:58
Does anybody actually know🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:11:45
Just an inspired manager signing at this level to get the fans excited for the new season coming and  fans back in the ground. :eek:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:12:40
Some will never be happy!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:13:02
That’s unlike you.
direct hoof ball then. :(


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:13:21
Just an inspired manager signing at this level to get the fans excited for the new season coming and  fans back in the ground. :eek:

Like Jody Morris was?

Honestly who would you pick?


Title: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:13:43
meh

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/05/07/exclusive-swindon-town-set-to-unveil-new-manager/ (https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/05/07/exclusive-swindon-town-set-to-unveil-new-manager/)

edit: oh, late to the party.

seems a weird one to me. Just don't have the players to play what I have seen of his style.

still, got to suck it and see


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:15:46
meh

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/05/07/exclusive-swindon-town-set-to-unveil-new-manager/ (https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/05/07/exclusive-swindon-town-set-to-unveil-new-manager/)

edit: oh, late to the party.

seems a weird one to me. Just don't have the players to play what I have seen of his style.

still, got to suck it and see
Who would be your choice though, who realistically can we go get that is much better?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:16:16
After a bit of thought, I could live with Flynn getting the job. His Newport team may not have been great on the eye but they were battling and organised and as we’ve seen, that gets teams promoted in this division over the “total football” teams we’ve attempted to go up with.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:17:04
Fuck sake. Flynn is probably the worst appointment we could make


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:17:34
In fairness, what do we have the players for?
Because they don’t seem very good at anything.

We all knew we needed a fair few new players in the summer, appointing a manager that knows the league to over see that is a good thing.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:18:08
When he was at Newport he was linked with Bristol Rovers and Plymouth so couldn't have been that bad. As for Wallsall we don't know what restraints he may have been under.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:18:28
In fairness, what do we have the players for?
Because they don’t seem very good at anything.
True.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:19:42
After a bit of thought, I could live with Flynn getting the job. His Newport team may not have been great on the eye but they were battling and organised and as we’ve seen, that gets teams promoted in this division over the “total football” teams we’ve attempted to go up with.
Who's he taken up?


Title: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:20:24
Quote
Who would be your choice though, who realistically can we go get that is much better?
you tell me.

Clark or artell are the realistic on paper ones. but I suspect we have fucked off artell and no idea on Clark
--+--+

as I said, I'll suck it and see. Doesn't excite but neither did Wellens


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:20:28
Try telling Charlie Austin that us appointing a manager that gets the ball in the box at the first opportunity is a bad thing, I bet he would disagree.

If we go 4-4-2 next season, and go more direct getting balls into him and one other, I’m more than happy.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:21:29
you tell me.

Clark or artell are the realistic on paper ones. but I suspect we have fucked off artell and no idea on Clark
I can't tell you who you should want :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:21:37
In fairness, what do we have the players for?

Gunningball


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:21:57
The end of the tippy tippy shit for sure  :clap:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:22:24
Quote from: DMC
I can't tell you who you should want :D

well I've named 2


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:24:48
Who's he taken up?

Think that’s a silly comment without looking at the context. I’m not saying I’m 100% convinced he’ll take us up or that he’s my first choice but he’s a manager who’s experienced League 2, almost got Newport out of it on a shoestring budget and is a different direction to what we’re trying that isn’t working albeit the Walsall job is a question mark on him. I personally don’t mind a less attractive style if it brings wins, total football and wins would obviously be nice but we’ve seen plenty of teams get out of this division by simply being well drilled and organised and that’s what I remember from his Newport sides.

That being said, I’m not sure how some of our lightweight players will get on with his style or if he’ll adapt to fit them in.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:24:59
When he was at Newport he was linked with Bristol Rovers and Plymouth so couldn't have been that bad. As for Wallsall we don't know what restraints he may have been under.
His 1 good season at Newport he was overseen by the very experienced Lennie Lawrence, when Lawrence left for Stevenage their results and perfomances went to pot. At Walsall he didnt have a DoF to oversee things.

If he is appointed then I will back him until he proved otherwise, but he is not and never has been my 1st choice as manager.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:25:17
well I've named 2
OK Batch


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:25:23
Gunningball
More like "Gunn Ho".


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Ides of March on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:25:49
Quite funny how people have an issue with Flynn due to his team at Newport. If they played the ‘right way’ and got to two PO finals, I’m sure people would be somewhat excited by his appointment, but just because his side dared to have a bit of fight and ‘bully’ teams, his achievements are disregarded. Who’s to say he will come here and play hoofball anyway? He merely played to his team’s strengths at Newport, under a team he inherited which suited their pitch, hence their strong home record under him.

Not saying he is a guaranteed success here but turning up our nose just because his team’s at Newport played some conventional L2 football is laughable


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:26:30
Fuck sake. Flynn is probably the worst appointment we could make

Sheridan is available


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:27:18
His 1 good season at Newport he was overseen by the very experienced Lennie Lawrence, when Lawrence left for Stevenage their results and perfomances went to pot. At Walsall he didnt have a DoF to oversee things.

If he is appointed then I will back him until he proved otherwise, but he is not and never has been my 1st choice as manager.
Bit unfair JJ. Kept them up against the odds, 2 play off finals and then kept Walsall up too when he took over there


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:27:26
Quite funny how people have an issue with Flynn due to his team at Newport. If they played the ‘right way’ and got to two PO finals, I’m sure people would be somewhat excited by his appointment, but just because his side dared to have a bit of fight and ‘bully’ teams, his achievements are disregarded. Who’s to say he will come here and play hoofball anyway? He merely played to his team’s strengths at Newport, under a team he inherited which suited their pitch, hence their strong home record under him.

Not saying he is a guaranteed success here but turning up our nose just because his team’s at Newport played some conventional L2 football is laughable

On a pitch with no grass😀


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:28:01
Who's he taken up?

He has taken up the same amount of teams Richie Wellens had when he joined us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:31:51
Think that’s a silly comment without looking at the context. I’m not saying I’m 100% convinced he’ll take us up or that he’s my first choice but he’s a manager who’s experienced League 2, almost got Newport out of it on a shoestring budget and is a different direction to what we’re trying that isn’t working albeit the Walsall job is a question mark on him. I personally don’t mind a less attractive style if it brings wins, total football and wins would obviously be nice but we’ve seen plenty of teams get out of this division by simply being well drilled and organised and that’s what I remember from his Newport sides.

That being said, I’m not sure how some of our lightweight players will get on with his style or if he’ll adapt to fit them in.
Therefore,not a silly comment.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:32:17
It's the whole rip it all up and start again thing that worries me. Especially when the majority of our squad are under contract.

It's not even THAT bad. We've scored the same amount of goals as Stevenage and Leyton Orient. Our problem is keeping them out. We just needed a couple of Macdonald esque centre halves and a couple who can tackle in midfield and we'd be there or there abouts. Especially considering everybody has a year of EFL experience now under their belt.





Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:32:41
Therefore,not a silly comment.

Saying he’s the worst appointment we could make is probably up there though. He at least ticks some boxes that we’re looking for


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:33:13
He has taken up the same amount of teams Richie Wellens had when he joined us.

Yet when Wellens took over, he had managed less than 1 season else where. You can't put the two of them in the same category.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:35:05
Yet when Wellens took over, he had managed less than 1 season else where. You can't put the two of them in the same category.

You can - our fans moaned about him too!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:36:33
I don’t think appointing a manager who has had a team in the play offs twice in the last 4/5 years is a bad appointment.

He’s also had a couple of good cup runs.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:37:28
His 1 good season at Newport he was overseen by the very experienced Lennie Lawrence, when Lawrence left for Stevenage their results and perfomances went to pot. At Walsall he didnt have a DoF to oversee things.

If he is appointed then I will back him until he proved otherwise, but he is not and never has been my 1st choice as manager.

I agree with this view completely.

Managers can also learn and adapt so his style may adjust over time.

My main concern with this next appointment is that we over correct from this season and go to direct and boring. (A lot of fans seem to want direct non passing football judging from this forum). Just because SDM/JM/SL were rubbish, doesn't mean it was the wrong approach. See Wellens. We shall see.

Artell got a team promoted that puts him above Flynn for me.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:37:46
Flynn it is.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:42:28
Saying he’s the worst appointment we could make is probably up there though. He at least ticks some boxes that we’re looking for
Which boxes?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:42:40
What's ironic is he's quite pally with Lindsey!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:43:41
What's ironic is he's quite pally with Lindsey!

I'm sure i remember there being something with Wellens as well


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:45:01
I'm sure i remember there being something with Wellens as well

Small football world!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:45:34
Just need to accept it and get on with it.
50 / 50 with me but in all fairness no stand out candidates.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:45:47
Just looked back at Walsall's games before January last season. Even when they were on a good run, they'd have less than 40% of the ball. And relied on Johnson for goals.

Then Johnson was recalled and they completely went to shit.

Yes I know possession doesn't win games but that's one of the few things we can actually do. Take passing away from us and we're national league bound with this squad.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:46:43
Which boxes?

Experience of the league
Play off finishes in 2 of last 4 seasons.
FA Cup runs (3rd and 5th round) in 2 of the last 4 seasons


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:48:11
That's still not enough 🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:50:49
No issue with Flynn. Big issue with Flynn + this squad. Total overhaul required.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:51:10
Just need to accept it and get on with it.
50 / 50 with me but in all fairness no stand out candidates.

100% this for me Duke. For every candidate there will be reason to doubt, i am glad we have at least gone for a manager who has experience of the league


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:51:38
No issue with Flynn. Big issue with Flynn + this squad. Total overhaul required.
Even fucking better  :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:51:52
100% this for me Duke. For every candidate there will be reason to doubt, i am glad we have at least gone for a manager who has experience of the league

Hatswell number two ?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:53:00
Has it been confirmed anywhere or still heresy 


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Ides of March on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:53:06
No issue with Flynn. Big issue with Flynn + this squad. Total overhaul required.
Agree that an overhaul is now needed, however I’m convinced we could get Pep in and he would struggle to get anything out of the current squad, therefore not too concerned with an overhaul being needed. Yes, not ideal, but out of every squad we’ve had in the past few seasons (barring the dreadful 20/21 season) this is the squad most in need of an overhaul.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:53:55
Which boxes?

Experienced at league 2 level, capable of putting together a competitive side and a different direction to where we are.

As I said, wouldn’t have been my first choice but if the rumours are to be believed that it was out of Artell, Cowleys and Flynn then all come with their own degrees or risk for varying reasons and where we are right now, I’m not sure who we could attract that didn’t have that.

Wouldn’t have minded Artell but he had the risk of only one prior job and as has been mentioned before could potentially have gotten lucky with a good crop of players coming through the academy at one time. Wouldn’t mind either of Cowleys or Flynn, certainly not going to be snobby on playing style and hold that against them as we’ve seen that it can get results, however both have blots on their records from prior job and there’s the risk of our current squad not being set up to play like that at all and needing ripping up (not that I’m against that).

So there’s risk factors to beat any of the options with if they were to get the job if you really wanted to. It’s fair enough to note those risks but to label any of them as “worst appointment we could make” is a bit of a stretch I’d say. Plenty of worse options about.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:55:16
No issue with Flynn. Big issue with Flynn + this squad. Total overhaul required.

To be fair the same was true of Ossie, except he just trusted the same players to play.

We all thought that we needed to add a couple of big Center Backs, a tough tackler in midfield & a big striker anyway.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:56:32
Looking back in time how many managers have the majority really been happy with!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:56:51
100% this for me Duke. For every candidate there will be reason to doubt, i am glad we have at least gone for a manager who has experience of the league

Experience of never getting out of the league!

How many seasons without getting promoted before your experience means fuck all is the question? I'm being harsh there for sure, i know he got to the PO twice with Newport. But you get the point.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:57:21
Hatswell number two ?
Yes mate. As you know though that could change in 20 minutes :cry:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:58:57
Experience of never getting out of the league!

How many seasons without getting promoted before your experience means fuck all is the question? I'm being harsh there for sure, i know he got to the PO twice with Newport. But you get the point.

We have to be realistic though. What are the alternatives and also look at who he got there with. He also managed to turn a very technical player like Twine into something special as well


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:00:07
Experienced at league 2 level, capable of putting together a competitive side and a different direction to where we are.

As I said, wouldn’t have been my first choice but if the rumours are to be believed that it was out of Artell, Cowleys and Flynn then all come with their own degrees or risk for varying reasons and where we are right now, I’m not sure who we could attract that didn’t have that.

Wouldn’t have minded Artell but he had the risk of only one prior job and as has been mentioned before could potentially have gotten lucky with a good crop of players coming through the academy at one time. Wouldn’t mind either of Cowleys or Flynn, certainly not going to be snobby on playing style and hold that against them as we’ve seen that it can get results, however both have blots on their records from prior job and there’s the risk of our current squad not being set up to play like that at all and needing ripping up (not that I’m against that).

So there’s risk factors to beat any of the options with if they were to get the job if you really wanted to. It’s fair enough to note those risks but to label any of them as “worst appointment we could make” is a bit of a stretch I’d say. Plenty of worse options about.
Did worse than us this season. Name a realistic worse appointment


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:00:25
Looking back in time how many managers have the majority really been happy with!
It's a great point tbf as i think it even DiCanio a lot didnt want.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:00:28
One thing this appointment does show, is the club have learnt some lessons with regards to the whole academy/youth approach.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:00:48
Yes mate. As you know though that could change in 20 minutes :cry:


Hatswell's coming home😀


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:01:08
Did worse than us this season.
Who would be your choice out of interest


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:01:12
Has it been confirmed anywhere or still heresy 

Are you advocating that ITKers should be burnt at the stake. :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Ides of March on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:01:53
Did worse than us this season.
Unsure on this logic. Orient and Stevenage did worse than us last season with their current managers. Does not mean a whole lot. Hardly had a team of world beaters at Walsall


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:02:09
Did worse than us this season.

Plenty have done poorly with us and gone on to do better elsewhere, as I said, no guarantees here, just don’t buy that it’s as bad as you’re making out. Again though, if you’re determined to be against something then you’ll find any stick to beat it with.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:02:20
It's a great point tbf as i think it even DiCanio a lot didnt want.

I think Hoddle is the stand out choice but most of the others including Wellens were met with negative comments.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:04:12
Are you advocating that ITKers should be burnt at the stake. :)


 :clap:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EndqhHJx-Ko&pp=ygUUZnVuZXJhbCBweXJlIHRoZSBqYW0%3D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:08:19
Plenty have done poorly with us and gone on to do better elsewhere, as I said, no guarantees here, just don’t buy that it’s as bad as you’re making out. Again though, if you’re determined to be against something then you’ll find any stick to beat it with.
Well that's fair enough. But the majority of our fans have been banging on about how boring our football has been. Flynn is an unsuccessful manager and his style of football is awful in my opinion.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:10:39
Maybe a manager with a bit of experience might know more than one way to play football.  Who knows.  Not every manager we've had have been all about the strict credo of pass pass pass.  Wellens was a little more direct.  Di Canio was a little more direct.  Both of them still played football.  But we seem to have had a few managers who have just insisted on pass pass pass and when that doesn't work, pass it back and pass it some more.  I'd argue that when premier league clubs are doing it, it doesn't make for exciting football.  When limited footballers do it its pretty frustrating as it rarely end in any end product.

I think we have been desperate for a little bit of a plan B.  Perhaps someone with pace where we can play behind the defence for the player to run on to.  Or even maybe someone we can hit it up to and they can maybe hold it up and bring in other players.  Maybe we can have that and still play some football as well?

God knows what Morris was going for.  There seemed to be no defining idea.  God knows whats going to happen with the next bloke.  But lets face it it cant be much worse than this season has been.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:13:48
Who would be your choice out of interest

Well. I don't really have one but I just feel that Flynn would not be good for us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:15:05
No complaints from me. Managers aren’t unsuccessful at a club before they even start.

Ffs, give the bloke a chance. We’re L2 bottom feeders. Anyone mentioned in this thread would have had negative comments - yet unable to give an opinion on who would be better.

People need to wind their necks in a bit.

#fickleasfuck


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:16:21
I did wonder about our previous managerial appointments, the last three managers we have appointed that had previously won promotion are, Sheridan, Brown & Flitcroft.

I'm not sure that anyone would be happy with another one of those


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:16:37
I said it would be Flynn on the night that Morris went, purely down to the fact that Clem had made it clear in the past that he admired his work, and IMO no coincidence that he pulled the ripcord on Morris just after Flynn got his marching orders at Walsall.

Fun fact - I played alongside Wayne Hatswell in a few games, and used to play regularly with his uncle? Bob Henshall (father of Alex)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:17:14
There is a difference between being direct in style and out & out hoofball.
Not convinced that Flynn is as inclined to the latter as some are fretting about.
He did try and change the style of play once a new pitch was in place at Newport.

It could be said that both of our last two promotion winning sides were direct in terms of minimising risk at the back and trying to play the football in the opponent's half.
Yes the squad will need some remodelling for sure regardless of who the next manager / head coach is.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:17:56
I respect your views Adje but we're in a bit of a mess at the moment so I would rather an experienced manager take the reigns than another academy coach and if it is confirmed tomorrow/this week Clem needs commending for reacting so quickly enabling Flyn time to rebuild & plan over the summer.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:21:13
I respect your views Adje but we're in a bit of a mess at the moment so I would rather an experienced manager take the reigns than another academy coach and if it is confirmed tomorrow/this week Clem needs commending for reacting so quickly enabling Flyn time to rebuild & plan over the summer.
Yes I agree. No more academy coaches. But that doesn't mean Flynn in


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:22:44
No complaints from me. Managers aren’t unsuccessful at a club before they even start.

Ffs, give the bloke a chance. We’re L2 bottom feeders. Anyone mentioned in this thread would have had negative comments - yet unable to give an opinion on who would be better.

People need to wind their necks in a bit.

#fickleasfuck
No they don't. They can unwind their necks as much as they want. It's a forum


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:25:26
hardly a shock some people will be excited, some dread the appointment, some in-between.

its not like we aren't doing it every 6 months.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:26:55
hardly a shock some people will be excited, some dread the appointment, some in-between.

its not like we aren't doing it every 6 months.

We’ll be having the same conversation within 18 months if not sooner. Whoever it is, they’ll either be good and move on or shit and sacked.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:27:37
hardly a shock some people will be excited, some dread the appointment, some in-between.

its not like we aren't doing it every 6 months.

We change managers almost as often as the country changes Prime Ministers :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:27:57
Forums are to express opinions. Fine if people don’t rate Flynn - but not to have an opinion who they think would be a good alternative is just being negative for negative’s sake. It’s


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:31:11
Forums are to express opinions. Fine if people don’t rate Flynn - but not to have an opinion who they think would be a good alternative is just being negative for negative’s sake.

I'm not sure you need to know what the answer is, to have the opinion that the person being appointed isn't it.

To me the problem comes when you (the fans) don't give the new manager a chance.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:31:13
Forums are to express opinions. Fine if people don’t rate Flynn - but not to have an opinion who they think would be a good alternative is just being negative for negative’s sake. It’s
Oh is it? All right then . Ryan Mason. Lee Bowyer....


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:31:45
We change managers almost as often as the country changes Prime Ministers :)

And our last few have been about as much use


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:40:20
And I don't buy that "Flynn made Twine a better player". He was a good player before he went there. That was down to us and our balls up (Wellens if I remember correctly)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: river monster on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:53:13
And I don't buy that "Flynn made Twine a better player". He was a good player before he went there. That was down to us and our balls up (Wellens if I remember correctly)
Spot on for me.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:58:42
Had he moved deeper into midfield from striker before he went there? Can’t remember but that was really the making of him, his assist tally’s have been as impressive as his goals imo.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:09:14
He probably instilled confidence in him by playing him and telling what potential he had. One thing for sure is he never played hoofball whilst he was there and have a feeling Flynn changed Newports style from the season previous.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:10:33
Don't think Flynn would be good. Reminds me of the Flitcroft appointment.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:14:48
Why was he sacked at walsal.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:16:16
Why was he sacked at walsal.
Well,all season he was below us and according to most fans,we were shit!


Title: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:19:43
Quote
Why was he sacked at walsal.
1 win in 20.

But before the usuals jump up and down that's simply a statement of fact. I've no idea on circumstances that lead there

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/65324502.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/65324502.amp)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:21:39
1 win in 20.

But before the usuals jump up and down that's simply a statement of fact. I've no idea on circumstances that lead there

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/65324502.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/65324502.amp)
cant wait to the new season starts.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:23:21
As long as we don't get anymore Wallsall shite players!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:23:29
He also got Newport into the playoffs.

Just got to roll with it and see


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:27:13
Perfectly happy if it’s Flynn. Not a youth coach. A pragmatist, who knows the league. He’ll have a shortlist of players to go for. He”ll understand that we need bricks at the back, and some spark higher up. Of course he played long ball at Newport - look at the pitch! Speaks well. One of the best records we could realistically hope for at the moment. Let’s get behind him - IF this is true.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:27:49
Perfectly happy if it’s Flynn. Not a youth coach. A pragmatist, who knows the league. He’ll have a shortlist of players to go for. Of course he played long ball at Newport - look at the pitch! Speaks well. One of the best records we could realistically hope for at the moment. Let’s get behind him - IF this is true.

 :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:28:32
Don't think Flynn would be good. Reminds me of the Flitcroft appointment.

Had Flitcroft been able to work out how to win at the CG then that team would have been top 3. No doubts.
Played some good stuff away, absolutely hopeless at home.

Home form is the first thing that the new manager will have to fix if we are to stand a chance of autos.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:32:54
Perfectly happy if it’s Flynn. Not a youth coach. A pragmatist, who knows the league. He’ll have a shortlist of players to go for. He”ll understand that we need bricks at the back, and some spark higher up. Of course he played long ball at Newport - look at the pitch! Speaks well. One of the best records we could realistically hope for at the moment. Let’s get behind him - IF this is true.

I don’t believe there are any stand out candidates. In addition with where we are right now the choice of Manager will have a massive split.
Whatever the choice we have to get behind it.

Lost a massive amount of love for the Club right now, completely fucked off with it.
Despite that continued to watch the shite every game.

I need a break from it, come August will be raring to go again despite continued concerns who is behind the scenes.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:41:16
I don’t believe there are any stand out candidates. In addition with where we are right now the choice of Manager will have a massive split.
Whatever the choice we have to get behind it.

Lost a massive amount of love for the Club right now, completely fucked off with it.
Despite that continued to watch the shite every game.

I need a break from it, come August will be raring to go again despite continued concerns who is behind the scenes.

Why are you completely fucked off? This season has been disappointing but we've had plenty of those previously. Don't think the playing squad needs a complete overhaul which would be v.expensive given the number of players on 2 year deals.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:48:20
Why are you completely fucked off?

Not wishing to answer for someone else, but the dull and uninspiring football this season probably hasn’t helped.

It’s also the fact that we haven’t built on a playoff appearance last season, it feels like a giant step backwards


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:48:39
There is a difference between being direct in style and out & out hoofball.

Quite.

I fucking loathe the modern day football narrative that football is a binary choice between tippy tappy don't dare pass it over ten yards and pass the thing in to the net and being Wimbledon 1988 bully boys who completely bypass the midfield.

It fucking isn't. Our Di Canio team were a good passing side, yet were direct. There is a middle ground.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:49:29
1 win in 20.

But before the usuals jump up and down that's simply a statement of fact. I've no idea on circumstances that lead there

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/65324502.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/65324502.amp)

Well that is worse than Morris who had a pretty shite set of circumstances himself.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:52:48
Why are you completely fucked off? This season has been disappointing but we've had plenty of those previously. Don't think the playing squad needs a complete overhaul which would be v.expensive given the number of players on 2 year deals.

Because the season before all was needed was a decent number nine and we would be in league one.
This season a complete fucking load of shite and I’ve watched the lot. We have gone backwards, squad imbalanced and wouldn’t be upset to see the back of any of them.

ignore me, I’m just grumpy because I hate League Two and another year older.
The miles just feel longer, the grounds in the main are woeful, atmosphere at home a library.

Up the Town 😂🥊


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:53:40
I see one of Whelan’s friends has tweeted a list of 5 possible signings assuming Flynn is the new manager

Liam Kinsella – Walsall
Danny Johnson – Mansfield Town
Anthony Hartigan – Mansfield Town
Matty Stevens – Forest Green Rovers
Cameron Norman – Newport County



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 16:57:14
Johnson would make a lot of sense if Austin and Jephcott don't stay, not sure he'd be the obvious partner for either though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:00:35
So, now Morris has gone, who would be your pick?

Artell out of the names mentioned.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:00:50
I don’t believe there are any stand out candidates. In addition with where we are right now the choice of Manager will have a massive split.
Whatever the choice we have to get behind it.

Lost a massive amount of love for the Club right now, completely fucked off with it.
Despite that continued to watch the shite every game.

I need a break from it, come August will be raring to go again despite continued concerns who is behind the scenes.

Why don’t you ever expand on what you think is going on behind the scenes?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:03:15
Gotta love our fan base. We’re all fed up of this shit boring tippy tappy playing out from the back footy. Clem looks to have gone with the direct approach now there’s people moaning about being longball. If we score more goals and get promoted that’s good enough for me!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:07:49
Gotta love our fan base. We’re all fed up of this shit boring tippy tappy playing out from the back footy. Clem looks to have gone with the direct approach now there’s people moaning about being longball. If we score more goals and get promoted that’s good enough for me!

 :nod:

I’ve said it before, I’d take a management team of Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr if it got us out this fucking league.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:10:46
Johnson would make a lot of sense if Austin and Jephcott don't stay, not sure he'd be the obvious partner for either though.

Jamal Matt


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:12:13
Why don’t you ever expand on what you think is going on behind the scenes?

Why don’t the Trust ask the questions?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:13:03
Why don’t the Trust ask the questions?

I’m asking you, why don’t you tell us what you think is going on?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:13:12
Gotta love our fan base. We’re all fed up of this shit boring tippy tappy playing out from the back footy. Clem looks to have gone with the direct approach now there’s people moaning about being longball. If we score more goals and get promoted that’s good enough for me!

Would take that right now.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:13:40
Why don’t you ever expand on what you think is going on behind the scenes?

Probably because whenever anyone does they get shouted down and ridiculed by others. Things clearly are not all rosy at the club and Clems honeymoon is well and truly over. We are set to finish as low in the football pyramid for as long as I can remember. As a club we should only be focused on getting the club into league one, not pissing about with Karachi debacle for example.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:16:55
Probably because whenever anyone does they get shouted down and ridiculed by others. Things clearly are not all rosy at the club and Clems honeymoon is well and truly over. We are set to finish as low in the football pyramid for as long as I can remember. As a club we should only be focused on getting the club into league one, not pissing about with Karachi debacle for example.

Then say nothing at all, rather than talking in riddles or dropping hints.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:24:06
I’m asking you, why don’t you tell us what you think is going on?

I remain concerned as to who is running the club and knowing history behind those that are running it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:28:12
I remain concerned as to who is running the club and knowing history behind those that are running it.


So who do you believe it may be?
Standing? Power? Zav? A.N Other?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:31:51
So who do you believe it may be?
Standing? Power? Zav? A.N Other?

I’m still not entirely convinced that Power isn’t involved somewhere still.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:35:51
I’m still not entirely convinced that Power isn’t involved somewhere still.

He is long gone.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:39:20
He is long gone.

In that case, who is still left Standing from the ancien regime?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:39:32
It's a great point tbf as i think it even DiCanio a lot didnt want.

Only the left hate mob.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:46:02
In that case, who is still left Standing from the ancien regime?

I believe so but depends on when you draw the line.
Notwithstanding everyone was in it together, all Mates, until one decided to dip into the holiday fund alone.








Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:46:32
Quote from: Mooneyraker
In that case, who is still left Standing from the ancien regime?

Xavier 'guest' Austin too?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:47:41
I believe so but depends on when you draw the line.
Notwithstanding everyone was in it together, all Mates, until one decided to dip into the holiday fund alone.








No prizes for guessing who that was.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:52:42
Xavier 'guest' Austin too?

And Powers platinum security thugs......for some weird reason.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 18:06:23
So assuming it is Flynn, he has not been for playing a 'football' style, liking to go more direct, we are a club that has traditionally played football (ok some managers have over-played) I wonder if the new manager will be asked to play more of a football style than go more direct style, or somewhere in between ?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 18:07:10
So assuming it is Flynn, he has not been for playing a 'football' style, liking to go more direct, we are a club that has traditionally played football (ok some managers have over-played) I wonder if the new manager will be asked to play more of a football style than go more direct style, or somewhere in between ?

I hope that all he is asked is to get us out this league, I don’t care how, just get us out.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 18:08:53
So assuming it is Flynn, he has not been for playing a 'football' style, liking to go more direct, we are a club that has traditionally played football (ok some managers have over-played) I wonder if the new manager will be asked to play more of a football style than go more direct style, or somewhere in between ?

Somewhere in between for the love of god.

Ironically that was Gunningball for a few games.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 18:09:06
With a big bonus incentive if he achieves it next season😀


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 18:13:15
Newport played decent stuff in his last season - the 2021 playoff semi v FGR was brilliant entertainment.

Flynn needs a promotion on his CV so will be hungry.

He schooled Wellens at the CG in our promotion winning season.

If it is him, there's more than enough to be optimistic about. The rest is guesswork and time well tell etc


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 18:59:39
Newport played decent stuff in his last season

I was going to say the same thing. I remember the incredulity when Twine went there that he'd never be able to fit into their way of playing, only for their way of playing to be very different to the season before(when they were horrible but effective). Wouldn't have been my first choice but I'll take just about anything for a bit of success at this point, so if it's him then good luck to him however he wants to set us up.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 19:00:13
I hope that all he is asked is to get us out this league, I don’t care how, just get us out.

I understand your sentiment but. Assuming he gets the gig and has us up with a new squad of fucking blood, gut, and hoofball cloggers. You’d be happy? Because the season after in L1 we’d need something a little more refined. Now before you or anyone else gets their g string in a twist my post is a bit tongue in cheek.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 19:05:52
I understand your sentiment but. Assuming he gets the gig and has us up with a new squad of fucking blood, gut, and hoofball cloggers. You’d be happy? Because the season after in L1 we’d need something a little more refined. Now before you or anyone else gets their g string in a twist my post is a bit tongue in cheek.

Right now, we need to get out this league. I will worry about league 1 when it gets to it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 19:07:29
Right now, we need to get out this league. I will worry about league 1 when it gets to it.

You’ll worry? You’re not paying the bills..


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 20:04:27
I understand your sentiment but. Assuming he gets the gig and has us up with a new squad of fucking blood, gut, and hoofball cloggers. You’d be happy? Because the season after in L1 we’d need something a little more refined. Now before you or anyone else gets their g string in a twist my post is a bit tongue in cheek.

I’m not sure League One is the far away, different level, total football division some seem to think it is.
It’s a garbage league like L2 just the next one up.

Either way - it’s about winning games, how: does not, has not and never will matter, ever.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 20:21:04
I’m not sure League One is the far away, different level, total football division some seem to think it is.
It’s a garbage league like L2 just the next one up.

Either way - it’s about winning games, how: does not, has not and never will matter, ever.

Do you go to matches? I don’t fucking care either way, just wondered.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 20:49:24
Do you go to matches? I don’t fucking care either way, just wondered.

Rarely these days but still do go.

Plenty of seasons of 30-40 games in my younger days.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 21:03:48
i love it when we get a manager and I can see the long term potential in the appointment.

its not a good way to look at it but yes i want more than just league 2 and even league 1.

could i see us pushing to league 1 promotion with flynn in charge. nope

am i sick to death of league 2, the shitty teams, grounds, fans and attendances. 100%

i guess if flynn can do the latter its a start. 

i say it every managerial appointment we make, it doesn't matter who we get, what their record is. there is no exact science. managers will work wonders at some clubs and awful at others. doncaster, salford and oldham fans with have quite different opinions to wellens compared to swindon and leyton orient. 


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 21:07:32
Rarely these days but still do go.

Plenty of seasons of 30-40 games in my younger days.

How many this season?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 21:07:58
3


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 21:11:11
3

Lucky you.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 21:14:26
Lucky you.

Perhaps.
Got to see Gunningball though - so in that aspect, lucky.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 21:15:51
3

Your honesty shall not go unrewarded. I’ve bought a ST for next season. The stipulation is you have to go to each game without fail.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 21:24:55
i love it when we get a manager and I can see the long term potential in the appointment.

its not a good way to look at it but yes i want more than just league 2 and even league 1.

could i see us pushing to league 1 promotion with flynn in charge. nope

am i sick to death of league 2, the shitty teams, grounds, fans and attendances. 100%

i guess if flynn can do the latter its a start. 

i say it every managerial appointment we make, it doesn't matter who we get, what their record is. there is no exact science. managers will work wonders at some clubs and awful at others. doncaster, salford and oldham fans with have quite different opinions to wellens compared to swindon and leyton orient. 

Doesn't your second point (which I agree with) cancel out your first?

I could easily see us going bang-bang to the championship with Flynn. If Nathan Jones can get Luton there, Flynn could too. Equally it could be a write off!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 23:15:37
Doesn't your second point (which I agree with) cancel out your first?

I could easily see us going bang-bang to the championship with Flynn. If Nathan Jones can get Luton there, Flynn could too. Equally it could be a write off!

100% it does, just depends on what i want more i guess. in reality are we going to find that manager, probably not so if he gets us out of league 2 then I guess I will have to accept it. If we struggle in league 1 and he gets the boot we can then look again.

The positive is he's not a very "trendy" manager type. So even if he did well with us next season he is unlikely to get poached.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, May 8, 2023, 00:30:56

Hatswell number two ?


I've heard number will either be his distance relative Bobblethrob or his cousin Tightskull  :pint:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Qunk on Monday, May 8, 2023, 00:37:35
Will be chuffed to billy-o with Flynn. Proper manager, has his own identity, it’s what we need


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, May 8, 2023, 00:43:21
:nod:

I’ve said it before, I’d take a management team of Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr if it got us out this fucking league.

Surely he'd only be a Caretaker Manager though...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lardy Cake on Monday, May 8, 2023, 06:47:10
Surely he'd only be a Caretaker Manager though...
Very clever.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:02:06
Flynn confirmed by club


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:02:46
Flynn confirmed by club

Cheers Tans, informative as always.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:03:27
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-a-message-from-clem-morfuni-on-the-manager-front/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:05:04
I'm very pleased that we've got someone in place so quickly after two protracted appointments previously. Flynn's football hasn't always been great in the past, and the Walsall spell was pretty poor, but Newport was much more positive. I'm certainly happy to give him a chance to succeed here, and he certainly looks like a break away from the academy football we've seen, which is welcome. Let's hope he does brilliantly.

We are Flynny's Red and White Army.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:05:17
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-a-message-from-clem-morfuni-on-the-manager-front/

Gonna be a massive backlash when Mad Gav gets us an 8-0 win today…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:05:22
You have to say that's perfect timing to get ready for next season so no excuses for not being ready.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:06:13
Also, just to add - first

FLYNN OUT


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:07:02
Also, just to add - first

FLYNN OUT

At some stage in the future that will be relevant🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Qunk on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:07:13
Happy with this appointment and glad it was done relatively quickly


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:07:26
I'm very pleased that we've got someone in place so quickly after two protracted appointments previously. Flynn's football hasn't always been great in the past, and the Walsall spell was pretty poor, but Newport was much more positive. I'm certainly happy to give him a chance to succeed here, and he certainly looks like a break away from the academy football we've seen, which is welcome. Let's hope he does brilliantly.

We are Flynny's Red and White Army.

Agree with this. Good luck Mike


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:09:08
Good luck Mike and well done Clem for getting a new manager in so quickly


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:14:04
Have a good feeling about this one.
So new manager search in October it is then!

Welcome & good luck Michael, great opportunity if you can get it right.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: pach_uk on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:14:44
A manager with experience of this league, appointed within a week, and with a solid track record at this level.  Thank goodness we have a whole summer to find new things to moan about ;-).

Take the time at Walsall out of the equation and I think most would be positive about this appointment.  Seems like there were plenty who felt he was hard done by at Walsall with losing loan players and lots of injuries impacting since Jan.  Frankly, I don't care what style of football we play next season, I just want out of this God awful division (preferable into League One, not the Conference by the way!!)


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Post by: DiV on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:19:21
I see he has bought Swindon born, former Oxford United player and scorer of comical own goal Wayne Hatswell with him.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:25:48
Wow, I was expecting one next month. Fair play.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:26:57
The removal of Morris must have been in the offing for a while with Flynn being employed so quickly.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:27:54
Wouldn't have been my choice TBH but I will support him and it was done with speed this time, fair play to Clem, he was the man he wanted originally so he has finally got him.

Could be good could be bad but at least he is experienced.

If we get the Good Flynn then we will do well, if we get Walsall Flynn then the exact opposite.

He has had a few good cup runs so hopefully he will make us more of an obstacle in the cups than we have been in the last 10 years.

Good luck Mike and heres to a successful future at Swindon.


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Post by: RedRag on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:29:14
Clem is a sickening ITK-er.  

Won't believe the Flynn rumour till I see the scarf over the head pic.


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Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:32:50
The removal of Morris must have been in the offing for a while with Flynn being employed so quickly.
I dunno, he was only sacked by Walsall 2 weeks ago. Although with 1 win in 20 games the writing must have been on the wall for a while.


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Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:39:20
Said similar in other thread but it’s a stable appointment and it’s sad that’s the thought process we have as Swindon fans in League 2 but it’s where we are. His stock was really high imo at Newport, real limited sources yet was always competitive. Done a proper job on us home and away in the wellens season. Changed it up in one season at Newport and was playing some real decent football (Twine was probably the reason for that but hey). Didn’t work out at Walsall but fucking hell we ain’t gonna get someone who’s had 2 promotions back to back are we in our current form. Oh, and Flynn’s a proper fucking bloke so I don’t expect us to be a team full of lightweight  weasels next season. Hes been in League 2 last 6 years- he’ll know what’s needed and I’d like to think he already knows who/what he wants.

Need to add a football man into the hierarchy now.

Let’s fucking go Flynn 🚀


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:40:37
Broadly underwhelmed but can see it is a solid appointment.

Impressed by the speed of it, so no excuses for Flynn in terms of preseason planning (#fatigued) and getting players in.

Big positives: current and competent, knows the League, knows our team within reason having played us multiple times, likely has a list of targets already. Can hit the ground running, unlike Morris who piled in like someone trying to land on their first parachute jump.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:40:52
1 win in 20.... fuck that's worse than Morris's track record.

Just hope he can turn this all this around.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:47:55
1 win in 20.... fuck that's worse than Morris's track record.

Just hope he can turn this all this around.
True but I think Wellens had a similar record at Doncaster with just a 23% win ratio before he was sacked and appointed Orient manager and we know how that ended up this season.

With managers it is horses for courses, some managers fit teams and some teams fit managers.

I hope Flynn fits us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:52:40
Just met him in the car park, at least we’ve appointed somebody quickly and given him a chance to build a squad in the off season


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Qunk on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:53:31
Just met him in the car park, at least we’ve appointed somebody quickly and given him a chance to build a squad in the off season

Did you chit chat?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:53:39
Garners record was shit at Rovers
Wellens was poor at Oldham

When will our fans learn sometimes it just doesn’t work at some clubs. We aren’t going to get a manager in who’s just got a team promoted, unfortunately.

It’s steady, he’s been around long enough to know what’s needed, he’s had 1 bad season in his whole management career


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:54:29
Did you chit chat?

Just said hello and good luck, he said he’s very excited to be here


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:57:32
Unless someone is a serial managerial loser, one or even two duff jobs doesn’t mean anything necessarily.

Sir Alex Ferguson was sacked by St Mirren. He took them to a tribunal and lost, with ruling saying he had "neither by experience nor talent, any managerial ability at all".



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:09:10
Firstly well done to Clem for acting so quickly and decisively and getting the man he feels is the best for the job so quickly. Definitely showing more joined up thinking than what happened in the summer. Obviously the removal of Sandro is equally, if not more important.

As for Flynn, he did pretty well overall at Newport, some exciting cup runs, getting into the play offs etc. Walsall wasn't a good spell, but most managers tend to have at least one bogey on the CV. Not totally sure what football Flynn likes to play, don't think it'll be Steve Evansesque but I think it's likely to be more pragmatic.

I'm pretty excited for next season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:15:37
Garners record was shit at Rovers
Wellens was poor at Oldham

When will our fans learn sometimes it just doesn’t work at some clubs. We aren’t going to get a manager in who’s just got a team promoted, unfortunately.

It’s steady, he’s been around long enough to know what’s needed, he’s had 1 bad season in his whole management career


As you eluded to earlier the ones who moan never come back with a positive alternative


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:15:46
The removal of Morris must have been in the offing for a while with Flynn being employed so quickly.

Clearly.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lemis on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:20:14
The main thing is the club have been decisive with the appointment. With our last two, we faffed about and probably didn't give either the best start. Hopefully we can have a strong summer and get our business done nice and early as well, rather than wait for the close of the window.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:20:27
Firstly well done to Clem for acting so quickly and decisively and getting the man he feels is the best for the job so quickly. Definitely showing more joined up thinking than what happened in the summer. Obviously the removal of Sandro is equally, if not more important.

As for Flynn, he did pretty well overall at Newport, some exciting cup runs, getting into the play offs etc. Walsall wasn't a good spell, but most managers tend to have at least one bogey on the CV. Not totally sure what football Flynn likes to play, don't think it'll be Steve Evansesque but I think it's likely to be more pragmatic.

I'm pretty excited for next season.
This. My excitement level has gone from a 2 under Morris to a 7 currently.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:27:01
The removal of Morris must have been in the offing for a while with Flynn being employed so quickly.

I do wonder if there was some sort of get out clause for him or the club at the end of the season


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:28:19
I do wonder if there was some sort of get out clause for him or the club at the end of the season

Either way the Flynn contractual stuff has been sorted quickly.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:30:17
I do wonder if there was some sort of get out clause for him or the club at the end of the season
I fucking hope we did, and judging by the previous 5 or 6 games (excluding Wimbledon away) I would think Jodie(y) himself triggered it with some of his tactical decisions and shocking substitutions.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: donaldslovehild on Monday, May 8, 2023, 10:55:25
Totally underwhelmed. If he, supposedly, knows what it takes to get out out of this division, why hasn't managed it?
Welcome back murder ball!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jilted John on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:00:50
Nothing like backing the new manager is there?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:08:54
Totally underwhelmed. If he, supposedly, knows what it takes to get out out of this division, why hasn't managed it?
Welcome back murder ball!
Look. We either go down the first time manager/coach route - again - which has proven unsuccessful. Or an experienced manager who has flaws. We’re in L2. What else do you expect?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:09:27
Look. We either go down the first time manager/coach route - again - which has proven unsuccessful. Or an experienced manager who has flaws. We’re in L2. What else do you expect?

Probably Alex Ferguson.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:09:47
Look. We either go down the first time manager/coach route - again - which has proven unsuccessful. Or an experienced manager who has flaws. We’re in L2. What else do you expect?

There's no pleasing some🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: newmarket red on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:12:06
:
Totally underwhelmed. If he, supposedly, knows what it takes to get out out of this division, why hasn't managed it?
Welcome back murder ball!
:beers:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:16:04
Hodgetts saying Mike Flynn will be introduced to the crowd at half time.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:24:16
Well, he's here and I will back him and the team 100%.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: donaldslovehild on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:27:25
Nothing like backing the new manager is there?

I wasn't a fan of Jodie Morris as a person, but felt he could bring something fresh to the club. There was potential there and I thought he should have been given a transfer window with his contacts. I sincerely hope Flynn does well, but he has achieved nothing (that doesn't mean he wont) in this league and his football is basic. Just my opinion!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:27:48
For me it’s a very meh appointment but after the profile of Morris I think a ‘meh’ appointment is exactly what we needed.

Minus his last 20 games at Walsall he’s generally done a solid job in this division previous which is more than can be said for most of our most recent managers.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 8, 2023, 12:10:27
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned with his Walsall record and their fans comments, but at the end of the day Clem has sacked the spiv and appointed an actual football manager (and not a youth coach) quickly and decisively. A lot of what I wanted there even if it is underwhelming.

Can do fuck all but back him now and hope for the best.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 8, 2023, 12:16:08
I see he has bought Swindon born, former Oxford United player and scorer of comical own goal Wayne Hatswell with him.

I can now say I played with and against our Assistant Manager in the playground as a kid.  If we can entice Jimmy Fraser to take the Technical Director role then we can have three of my School Team's connections involved, with Minturn being the son of Andy who was in the same school team as Wayne and Jimmy.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Benzel on Monday, May 8, 2023, 12:21:29
I'm pretty happy with it. There was a lot of clamour for him before Garner, he did pretty well tweaking Newport's style once they had a football pitch installed at their ground and before that built a side to play to the conditions.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 12:29:39
Just listened to Flynn live on the radio......well impressed, can't wait to get going, hairs stood up on the back of his neck with the reception he got from the fans, already looking at players, some great talent here which needs some experience to go with what we've got, massive club and likes to play football if he has the right players even though set pieces are important.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Processed Beats on Monday, May 8, 2023, 12:30:08
Needs a decent DoF with him imo. Not a Sandro type either.

Still have haunting memories of the football he had Newport playing. That game at their place a few seasons ago was horrific, the worst football I've ever seen any team play.

The one positive for me is that he should have the full Summer and pre season to get working. No last minute scrambling for players like the last few years hopefully.


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 8, 2023, 12:32:06
Tbf, I’m sure the cabbage patch they had as a pitch dictated how they had to play.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Monday, May 8, 2023, 12:43:25
Flynn has a really good opportunity to put his mark on this club.
All supporters are now just desperately trying to get success
A young team that needs a different approach than Lindsay and Morris gave them.
MF will clearly see Town need 4 or 5 experienced players that will be the backbone of the club.
GK CH big holding CF and a junior Anthony Grant.
Try to keep Austin and Williams.
Job done.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 8, 2023, 12:47:26
Flynn has a really good opportunity to put his mark on this club.
All supporters are now just desperately trying to get success
A young team that needs a different approach than Lindsay and Morris gave them.
MF will clearly see Town need 4 or 5 experienced players that will be the backbone of the club.
GK CH big holding CF and a junior Anthony Grant.
Try to keep Austin and Williams.
Job done.

Williams is as good gone and I suspect Austin could be too although less sure on that.

Definitely need a hard nasty bastard like Grant but not past it to play with our smaller technical midfielders like Cain rather than just littering the midfield with all the same type of player.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Monday, May 8, 2023, 13:06:04
Williams is moving on then... that's a shame


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 8, 2023, 13:13:45
We will see Williams back here next season, just playing for Wrexham.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 8, 2023, 14:19:37
Probably Alex Ferguson.

Pep.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 8, 2023, 14:21:07
Williams is as good gone and I suspect Austin could be too although less sure on that.

Definitely need a hard nasty bastard like Grant but not past it to play with our smaller technical midfielders like Cain rather than just littering the midfield with all the same type of player.

CA has said he’d be ok to stay, need a coffee and a few choccie hob jobs with Flynn to discuss things.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Monday, May 8, 2023, 14:57:38
Flynn said more in 3 minutes to impress me than 3 months from Morris. For once we might have proper pre season without a squad cobbled together a week before the season starts.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 8, 2023, 15:24:18
Flynn said more in 3 minutes to impress me than 3 months from Morris. For once we might have proper pre season without a squad cobbled together a week before the season starts.

I thought Morris was quite at talking, the tactical analysis side anyway, it was just the matches that tended to go wrong.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, May 8, 2023, 15:42:08
As with our previous eighty three managers, I will give him at least until the second friendly before I make up my mind whether he will be good for us!

Have to say he has the lower league experience that so many of us fans say we need and just trust he can put that type of knowledge to the squads benefit. The old roller coaster ride of STFC is ongoing.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 8, 2023, 15:53:24
Really impressed with Flynn at half time and a really good opportunity to build a rapport with the fans which the last 3 managers have failed at.

Also apparently morris called Austin into his office last week and said he’s not in his plans and austin walked out laughing because he’d already signed a new contract so knew morris must be off  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 8, 2023, 15:56:40
Also apparently morris called Austin into his office last week and said he’s not in his plans and austin walked out laughing because he’d already signed a new contract so knew morris must be off  :girlgiggle:

Im not sure this reflects well on the club, the hierarchy or anyone involved. Chaotic, unprofessional and suggests again that Morris was being shafted.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 8, 2023, 16:12:28
Really impressed with Flynn at half time and a really good opportunity to build a rapport with the fans which the last 3 managers have failed at.


Very much this, came across really well


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, May 8, 2023, 16:14:28
As with our previous eighty three managers, I will give him at least until the second friendly before I make up my mind whether he will be good for us!

Have to say he has the lower league experience that so many of us fans say we need and just trust he can put that type of knowledge to the squads benefit. The old roller coaster ride of STFC is ongoing.
As long as we don't lose 2-0 to Supermarine and he says, "I'm very pleased with that as I wanted to see us 'playing fatigued'"

I literally had no idea what the cunt was talking about and any goodwill I had towards SL evaporated at that point...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 16:31:32
As long as we don't lose 2-0 to Supermarine and he says, "I'm very pleased with that as I wanted to see us 'playing fatigued'"

I literally had no idea what the cunt was talking about and any goodwill I had towards SL evaporated at that point...

 :clap:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Monday, May 8, 2023, 16:55:24
Who's to say the new manager wont be more keen to keep Williams and offer him a better deal? If it's up to him that is. Or is that too optimistic?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 16:59:46
Who's to say the new manager wont be more keen to keep Williams and offer him a better deal? If it's up to him that is. Or is that too optimistic?

Anything is possible especially if Austin doesn't stay


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, May 8, 2023, 17:03:13
Really impressed with Flynn at half time and a really good opportunity to build a rapport with the fans which the last 3 managers have failed at.

Also apparently morris called Austin into his office last week and said he’s not in his plans and austin walked out laughing because he’d already signed a new contract so knew morris must be off  :girlgiggle:

Same here.
Words I know but a decent start to introduce yourself to a downbeat fanbase.
Unbelievable 10,000 to watch a league two game with nothing to play for.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 8, 2023, 17:13:00
I don't like that he referred to us as "you lot." Total lack of respect. I'm writing a shit-o-gram to the Trust as we speak and I want it to be the first question asked in the Fan Forum or I'll cancel my season ticket. Disgusted.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 8, 2023, 17:30:42
I thought Morris was quite at talking, the tactical analysis side anyway, it was just the matches that tended to go wrong.

Yeah, Morris talked a good game, for me.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 8, 2023, 17:32:04
Really impressed with Flynn at half time and a really good opportunity to build a rapport with the fans which the last 3 managers have failed at.


Although apparently that was all our fault, according to Scott Lindsey.


Also apparently morris called Austin into his office last week and said he’s not in his plans and austin walked out laughing because he’d already signed a new contract so knew morris must be off  :girlgiggle:

For fuck sake.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 8, 2023, 18:35:47
Look. We either go down the first time manager/coach route - again - which has proven unsuccessful. Or an experienced manager who has flaws. We’re in L2. What else do you expect?

One of the available managers that we've been talking about all week that have got out of this division on multiple occasions perhaps?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 8, 2023, 18:37:39
Multiple? Who’s that?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 18:39:15
Clarke I would imagine


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 8, 2023, 18:47:41
Clarke? Who the fuck’s that?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 18:49:20
Darrell


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 8, 2023, 18:59:25
Ah, of course. The dog wanker


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 19:06:43
🤣🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: cdakev on Monday, May 8, 2023, 19:11:11
I thought Flynn came across very well and he got a good reception in Hospitality.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 8, 2023, 19:50:33
Clarke I would imagine

Graham Alexander's got a couple of promotions, a league one play off semi final, and European qualification with Motherwell in his record as well. Why Motherwell sacked him after 1 season I don't know.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 8, 2023, 20:06:42
Graham Alexander's got a couple of promotions, a league one play off semi final, and European qualification with Motherwell in his record as well. Why Motherwell sacked him after 1 season I don't know.

He would have been my choice from the roughly gettable available managers’ pool.

Very solid managerial record and a playing career that says “professional.” Over 1,000 career appearances.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 16:49:16
So, an entire season without a goal from a corner. Hope Flynn can change that dreadful stat.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 16:58:17
One name nobody mentioned is Paul Cook although currently doing a good job at Chesterfield


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 16:58:32
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
So, an entire season without a goal from a corner. Hope Flynn can change that dreadful stat.

Really? I could have sworn we scored one but buggered if I can find it.

maybe it was last year🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 17:01:33
You need commanding centre halfs to get goals from corners & set pieces hence why we conceded so many!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 17:01:40
Really? I could have sworn we scored one but buggered if I can find it.

maybe it was last year🤣

FBT had one disallowed at one of the home games I went to earlier in the season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 17:25:08
maybe it was that


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:18:20
Anyone see Michale Flynn on BBC Points West earlier🤔 Really warming to the guy!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Fakename on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:26:37
For those that read TheAthletic I found this article that talks about Flynn during his time at Newport.

https://theathletic.com/2093112/2020/10/01/newport-county-league-cup-behind-the-scenes/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Pericardinho on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:29:16
Does anybody want to be an absolute gent and copy paste the article here?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:38:14
Paywall


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:41:26
Paywall

Not anymore ;)

https://archive.ph/8jyvR


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:48:26
Thank you


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 19:18:00
Didn’t know he had Cooper on loan from Swansea when he was at Newport. Can bring him to the CG if he wants.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 19:50:30
Anyone see Michale Flynn on BBC Points West earlier🤔 Really warming to the guy!

Any video of this anywhere?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 19:53:04
Any video of this anywhere?

I can't find anything yet Chalkie as points West was live and not yet on iplayer


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 19:55:45
I can't find anything yet Chalkie as points West was live and not yet on iplayer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001ltzl


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 19:57:21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001ltzl

Nice one Mango

Chalkiy forward to 19 mins


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 20:03:30
cheers lads.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 20:14:50
Does speak well. Something interesting for pre-season please Michael.


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Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 20:18:36
Says he has a ‘healthy’ budget according to the adver


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 20:20:57
Says he has a ‘healthy’ budget according to the adver


https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23511169.swindon-towns-new-manager-healthy-budget-transfers/


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Post by: adje on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 20:33:03
I could become "Mr. ITK"
Flynn is very good mates with one of my (2) friends!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 20:36:43
We'll be expecting regular updates😀


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Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:23:51
Says he has a ‘healthy’ budget according to the adver

Very "click baity" that piece - the title says healthy budget but I see no mention of budget from Flynn in the piece.


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Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:25:33
Very "click baity" that piece - the title says healthy budget but I see no mention of budget from Flynn in the piece.



“I knew as soon as I spoke to the chairman Clem after he explained his visions for the club and it’s a healthy budget so for me it was a no-brainer,” he said.


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Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:33:16
God, is there a special limited vocabulary fund used in the football industry? That exact quote is used by 90% of new signings! Does it mean anything at all?🥱😅


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:37:06
https://twitter.com/T_STBL

Interview with Flynn by The Broadbent Lounge on this link.


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:41:16
Flynn's record as a player against us is quite something. Played 13, lost 1!

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/PlayingRecord.asp?Type=Opponent&PersonID=flynn_michael_anthony_1969


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:51:11
https://twitter.com/T_STBL

Interview with Flynn by The Broadbent Lounge on this link.

Is he referred to as 'gaffer' in that interview?


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Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:51:12
He's played 13, lost 3 against us as a manager too I believe.

It's an interesting clash of irresistible force (Flynn always gets to the FA Cup/League Cup third round) and immovable object (Swindon always lose in the FA Cup/League Cup first round) too. Which force will prevail!


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Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:53:57
He's played 13, lost 3 against us as a manager too I believe.

It's an interesting clash of irresistible force (Flynn always gets to the FA Cup/League Cup third round) and immovable object (Swindon always lose in the FA Cup/League Cup first round) too. Which force will prevail!

Second Round exit - obviously


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Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 07:56:47
Very "click baity" that piece - the title says healthy budget but I see no mention of budget from Flynn in the piece.

So it does, I totally missed that, my bad - i still stick by my click baity stance though, it seems to be the way with the adver and all other news outlets these days


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:00:55
Is he referred to as 'gaffer' in that interview?

Not sure he did actually and 'Hanners' goes in fairly hard with a good question about playing style to be fair.


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:03:31
Not sure he did actually and 'Hanners' goes in fairly hard with a good question about playing style to be fair.

Cheers - I found the Scott Lindsay interview pre-season last season pretty cringey so it sounds like it might be an improvement. I've got a few podcasts saved up as I've not been in the gym much recently (Lazy cunt!) so will give this a whirl when it gets onto Spotify.


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:10:11
Cheers - I found the Scott Lindsay interview pre-season last season pretty cringey so it sounds like it might be an improvement. I've got a few podcasts saved up as I've not been in the gym much recently (Lazy cunt!) so will give this a whirl when it gets onto Spotify.

Not sure this will make it to Spotify. It is just a quick 5 mins thing recorded in the stand last night.


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Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:16:14
Flynn is on the supporters club panel this evening.


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:16:39
Not sure this will make it to Spotify. It is just a quick 5 mins thing recorded in the stand last night.

Ah well. What did Flynn say about the playing style then? :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:50:24
Interesting last 20 mins of the LSPod Flynn episode with a Newport fan, worth a listen but if you're not going to:

- Flynn is pragmatic, will change formation/tactics to the team you're playing
- Playing style improved a lot after the pitch got sorted, but it was evolution rather than revolution
- Preferred a 5-3-2 with two battling midfielders and one more creative (Twine/Cain)
- He's bad cop, Hatswell is good cop (described as the brains behind the operation)
- Does like signing ex-players
- Didn't give many opportunities to their youth players, but does play young players who have been loaned in
- Popular with fans and media, and works on those relationships


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:54:12
Interesting last 20 mins of the LSPod Flynn episode with a Newport fan, worth a listen but if you're not going to:

- Flynn is pragmatic, will change formation/tactics to the team you're playing
- Playing style improved a lot after the pitch got sorted, but it was evolution rather than revolution
- Preferred a 5-3-2 with two battling midfielders and one more creative (Twine/Cain)
- He's bad cop, Hatswell is good cop (described as the brains behind the operation)
- Does like signing ex-players
- Didn't give many opportunities to their youth players, but does play young players who have been loaned in

Cheers Nemo - Also got some feedback from someone on our watsapp group who got info from a Walsall fan who said -

"Are you looking forward to 3-5-2 come rain or shine, two holding midfielders, (even at home against a team bottom of the league) no overlaps, no number 8, and an influx of old men from Newport"


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Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:58:14
Well, that doesn't sound like a particularly different take, just worked less well I guess!


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 09:00:57
Well, that doesn't sound like a particularly different take, just worked less well I guess!

Yeah that's what I thought also. I mean we've been asking for more steel in the midfield for ages so it sounds like we might be getting it finally!


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Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 09:01:58
Cheers Nemo - Also got some feedback from someone on our watsapp group who got info from a Walsall fan who said -

"Are you looking forward to 3-5-2 come rain or shine, two holding midfielders, (even at home against a team bottom of the league) no overlaps, no number 8, and an influx of old men from Newport"

If it means we stop fannying around with it at the back for the sake of possession percentage then I’m all for it!!!


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Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 09:28:54

- Playing style improved a lot after the pitch got sorted, but it was evolution rather than revolution


Didn't he say in the Athleticpiece linked to earlier that he admitted that they got stuck in a shit pitch/long ball rut and should have got out of it earlier with hindsight?

Cheers Nemo - Also got some feedback from someone on our watsapp group who got info from a Walsall fan who said -

"Are you looking forward to 3-5-2 come rain or shine, two holding midfielders, (even at home against a team bottom of the league) no overlaps, no number 8, and an influx of old men from Newport"


TBF it didn't go well at Walsall, so I can't believe any of their fans will have much positive to say about him, see also Lindsey's record here.

BTW looking at Wiki, I see it was Sheridan who first appointed him as a coach at Newport, I also see he has a Pro Licence, have we had managers that qualified before?



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Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 09:37:36
Didn't he say in the Athleticpiece linked to earlier that he admitted that they got stuck in a shit pitch/long ball rut and should have got out of it earlier with hindsight?
 

TBF it didn't go well at Walsall, so I can't believe any of their fans will have much positive to say about him, see also Lindsey's record here.

BTW looking at Wiki, I see it was Sheridan who first appointed him as a coach at Newport, I also see he has a Pro Licence, have we had managers that qualified before?



One Jody Morris...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 09:52:57
Didn't he say in the Athleticpiece linked to earlier that he admitted that they got stuck in a shit pitch/long ball rut and should have got out of it earlier with hindsight?
 

TBF it didn't go well at Walsall, so I can't believe any of their fans will have much positive to say about him, see also Lindsey's record here.

BTW looking at Wiki, I see it was Sheridan who first appointed him as a coach at Newport, I also see he has a Pro Licence, have we had managers that qualified before?



Yeah I think you have to take the Walsall feedback with a pinch of salt as it didn't go well there at all.


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Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 09:57:40
Yeah I think you have to take the Walsall feedback with a pinch of salt as it didn't go well there at all.
And regarding the 'influx' of old men from Newport, I'm sure there'll be some of his favourites in the pipeline but you'd imagine budget had something to do with that too.


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Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 10:13:34
And regarding the 'influx' of old men from Newport, I'm sure there'll be some of his favourites in the pipeline but you'd imagine budget had something to do with that too.

TBH from a cursory glance at Wikipedia I can't really see any influx from Newport to Walsall, if there was any recurring club in the past of Flynn's signings at Walsall it was FGR.


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 10:18:58
TBH from a cursory glance at Wikipedia I can't really see any influx from Newport to Walsall, if there was any recurring club in the past of Flynn's signings at Walsall it was FGR.

Robbie Wilmott appears to be the only one I can actually find. Hardly an 'influx'!


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 10:34:27
Interesting take on Flynns appointment from the Newport forum.

Quote
He made his own problems at Walsall.....At the end of his tenure it was almost like when he was with us....It was everyone else's fault but his.

He will be sacked by Christmas because their Chairman will demand instant success and their fans will turn against him quicker than Walsall and our fans did.

If he wasn't a Newport lad do you think our crowd would have given him as much support as he got in his last few months in charge ??
FWIW I would HOPE we will back him more than Newport and Walsall in being able to bring in his own players to fit his style, whichever style he plays with Swindon, as long as we win games I will be happy, just get us out of this shit league, oh, and stop us conceding soft headed goals from set peices too, thank you.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:01:44
Interesting take on Flynns appointment from the Newport forum.
FWIW I would HOPE we will back him more than Newport and Walsall in being able to bring in his own players to fit his style, whichever style he plays with Swindon, as long as we win games I will be happy, just get us out of this shit league, oh, and stop us conceding soft headed goals from set peices too, thank you.

Worth bearing in mind that he resigned from Newport.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58750726


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:05:01

- Preferred a 5-3-2 with two battling midfielders and one more creative (Twine/Cain)

Hutton needs to go if that's the plan. I can't bear another season of his defending pretending he is a wing back.


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Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:05:40
Robbie Wilmott appears to be the only one I can actually find. Hardly an 'influx'!
Signed Matt on loan didn’t he and Labadie was already there.

A lot of his go to players at Newport seem to be mid 30’s now so hopefully he’s moved on from them.


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:12:32
Signed Matt on loan didn’t he and Labadie was already there.

A lot of his go to players at Newport seem to be mid 30’s now so hopefully he’s moved on from them.

I forgot Matt was at Walsall actually. It's still not exactly loads though is it?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ROKERITE on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:18:21
I've had a three day break in Northumberland so have just read the news. Flynn is disappointing.


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:18:35
I forgot Matt was at Walsall actually. It's still not exactly loads though is it?
Also he did only sign Matt when Johnson went back. Not a loan though they paid about £50k for him on a perm deal.


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:22:54
Everytime Flynn speaks I like him more. Gone from wondering when the season will end to looking forward to preseason.

Said spoke to Wellens and Phil Brown before coming here.


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:23:51
Everytime Flynn speaks I like him more. Gone from wondering when the season will end to looking forward to preseason.
I agree.


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Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:25:26
Also he did only sign Matt when Johnson went back. Not a loan though they paid about £50k for him on a perm deal.
Forgot it was a perm, he obviously tried to replicate the Vegans strike force of last season but couldn’t get it work due to injury, form or whatever.
Labadie was his captain at Newport and Matt his main man up front but with both well in their 30’s he will surely move on from them.


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:37:03
Labadie was his captain at Newport and Matt his main man up front but with both well in their 30’s he will surely move on from them.
Quite probably, Labadie is the sort of aggresive midfielder we have missed and seems to be fairly fit still. But you would think we would go for younger similar style players.


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Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:40:58
Quite probably, Labadie is the sort of aggresive midfielder we have missed and seems to be fairly fit still. But you would think we would go for younger similar style players.
We probably will,  but will we have the budget and will they want to come here.


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 11:43:29
We probably will,  but will we have the budget and will they want to come here.
I am sure Flynn has been promised a "good budget" only time will tell.


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Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 12:05:56
Quote from: Nemo
- Didn't give many opportunities to their youth players, but does play young players who have been loaned in

Sounds like most of our recent managers.

I guess it's financial pressures


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 12:10:11
Sounds like most of our recent managers.

I guess it's financial pressures
Also its quality, would you put Dabre/Cowmeadow/Parsons on a par with say Tomlinson/Barry/Jephcott/KKH/Simpson?

Because TBH I wouldnt.


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Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 12:39:54
Sounds like most of our recent managers.

I guess it's financial pressures
Twine apart have we had any good youth players deserving of minutes though? The fact we struggle to get any of them to teams above national league north or south suggests we just aren’t producing players of the required standard currently.

Youngsters can’t just be played out of hope, there needs to be a genuine expectation they are good enough.


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 12:41:16
Twine apart have we had any good youth players deserving of minutes though? The fact we struggle to get any of them to teams above national league north or south suggests we just aren’t producing players of the required standard currently.

Youngsters can’t just be played out of hope, there needs to be a genuine expectation they are good enough.
100%


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Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 12:46:29
Is there a figure somewhere on what the academy costs overall?


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 12:54:25
Twine apart have we had any good youth players deserving of minutes though? The fact we struggle to get any of them to teams above national league north or south suggests we just aren’t producing players of the required standard currently.

Youngsters can’t just be played out of hope, there needs to be a genuine expectation they are good enough.

Part of the problem is that any of the really talented youth players at Swindon get swallowed up by the bigger clubs at a much earlier age. Clearly because we simply don't have the facilities to properly rear our own superstars. I guess we were fortunate Twine managed to make it all the way with us.


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Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 12:54:48
Managerial appointments are generally so short term these days there is no reason to blood youngsters in the hope they might come good for you in a couple of seasons.  

As a manager you probably wont be there in a couple of seasons time, unless you have some sort of generational youngster knocking on the door who can help immediately there is little point in a long term strategy of thinking about promoting youth.

The club would obviously have a different opinion.


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 13:17:54
Managerial appointments are generally so short term these days there is no reason to blood youngsters in the hope they might come good for you in a couple of seasons. 

As a manager you probably wont be there in a couple of seasons time, unless you have some sort of generational youngster knocking on the door who can help immediately there is little point in a long term strategy of thinking about promoting youth.


Would be nice for Flynn to be a success and to keep a manager for longer than 5 minutes. Just a little bit of stability.


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 13:18:47
Twine apart have we had any good youth players deserving of minutes though? The fact we struggle to get any of them to teams above national league north or south suggests we just aren’t producing players of the required standard currently.

Youngsters can’t just be played out of hope, there needs to be a genuine expectation they are good enough.

As far as the Pizza Cup I would definitely play the best performing youngsters out of hope. Its a mickey mouse competition and nothing more than a distraction in my opinion. Would look to give at two of the youth team a start every game.


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 13:21:40
As far as the Pizza Cup I would definitely play the best performing youngsters out of hope. Its a mickey mouse competition and nothing more than a distraction in my opinion. Would look to give at two of the youth team a start every game.

I’d treat it as an early season reserve league. Play fringe and youth and get them some match sharpness.


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Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 13:23:04
As far as the Pizza Cup I would definitely play the best performing youngsters out of hope. Its a mickey mouse competition and nothing more than a distraction in my opinion. Would look to give at two of the youth team a start every game.

Play as many as you can without getting fined is my preference.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 13:32:07
Part of the problem is that any of the really talented youth players at Swindon get swallowed up by the bigger clubs at a much earlier age. Clearly because we simply don't have the facilities to properly rear our own superstars. I guess we were fortunate Twine managed to make it all the way with us.
Absolutely, if you look at the young players we let slip through our fingers, through no fault of our own, being snapped up by Reading, Southampton, Shitty, Chelsea etc. Money talks to young lads.

I would quite like to see us go for a loan player who maybe played for our school/youth set up as maybe they will feel more at home, a player like Markus Ifill who has been playing really well for Brighton in the Prem League 2 this season.

Hes aged 19 now so must be ready for a go in 1st team conditions. He is an out and out attacking left winger/attacking central midfielder, a position we need (maybe less so under Flynn) and who we sold for around £250k a couple of seasons back as a 16 year old. Is also Swindon born.

Chelsea too have taken a few young ex Town youngsters such as Jude Soonsup-Bell who they sold to Spurs for arounf £1m recently and is also 19 so ready for a fling at 1st team level, He is the second highest goal-scorer for the England U16s, behind Jadon Sancho, with six goals in seven appearances.


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 13:48:01
Definitely worth playing that card. "Come home for a bit and get some first team action"


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Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 13:55:29
Absolutely, if you look at the young players we let slip through our fingers, through no fault of our own, being snapped up by Reading, Southampton, Shitty, Chelsea etc. Money talks to young lads.

I would quite like to see us go for a loan player who maybe played for our school/youth set up as maybe they will feel more at home, a player like Markus Ifill who has been playing really well for Brighton in the Prem League 2 this season.

Hes aged 19 now so must be ready for a go in 1st team conditions. He is an out and out attacking left winger/attacking central midfielder, a position we need (maybe less so under Flynn) and who we sold for around £250k a couple of seasons back as a 16 year old. Is also Swindon born.

Chelsea too have taken a few young ex Town youngsters such as Jude Soonsup-Bell who they sold to Spurs for arounf £1m recently and is also 19 so ready for a fling at 1st team level, He is the second highest goal-scorer for the England U16s, behind Jadon Sancho, with six goals in seven appearances.

I'd imagine Morris will be saying to his mates "don't ever loan those c***s a player!"


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Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 14:30:06
Wayne Hatswell and Jimmy Fraser were in the same class at school, maybe they can have a pint and discuss next season.  Minturn's Dad was also in the same school team with them both, so maybe they all get together and present the best way of getting the Chelsea youth involved.


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Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 14:46:16
Wayne Hatswell and Jimmy Fraser were in the same class at school, maybe they can have a pint and discuss next season.  Minturn's Dad was also in the same school team with them both, so maybe they all get together and present the best way of getting the Chelsea youth involved.

What school was that out of interest?


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Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 14:55:51
Hreod Parkway, as it was then.  Best school team in the County I think, at the time.  Several of them went on to be signed at Youth level and/or play professional/semi pro.  Meant I was destined to rot in the back-up teams (maybe because I wasn't actually that great and had the fitness of a sloth).


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 15:11:49
I wonder why it was changed from Hreod Burna🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 15:14:05
Nova Hreod Academy now.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 15:16:01
I get Nova Hreod as that's a completely new school when I went there it was Burna😀


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Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 15:44:17
I get Nova Hreod as that's a completely new school when I went there it was Burna😀

 I never actually knew the reason why, with my Mum having gone to it in the Burna days, being a Moredon lass.

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2814256


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 16:35:19
Hreod Parkway, as it was then.  Best school team in the County I think, at the time.  Several of them went on to be signed at Youth level and/or play professional/semi pro.  Meant I was destined to rot in the back-up teams (maybe because I wasn't actually that great and had the fitness of a sloth).
Hreod was a great football team back then, I had 4 players in my leaving year (1982) who went on to become apprentices at STFC including Hughes, Wollen, Bristow and Reynolds from my year and Gillett and Lango (IIRC) from the year below and then Nigel Packer too the year after.


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 16:39:06
I never actually knew the reason why, with my Mum having gone to it in the Burna days, being a Moredon lass.

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2814256

Cheers Robert much appreciated


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Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 16:42:32
Hreod was a great football team back then, I had 4 players in my leaving year (1982) who went on to become apprentices at STFC including Hughes, Wollen, Bristow and Reynolds from my year and Gillett and Lango (IIRC) from the year below and then Nigel Packer too the year after.

My old mate Jimmy Walters who was a couple of years older than me played for Swindon reserves along with Charlie Henry.  He was offered a full time contract but his dad encouraged him to go into Engineering where he has had a successful management career.


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Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 16:59:49
Hreod was a great football team back then, I had 4 players in my leaving year (1982) who went on to become apprentices at STFC including Hughes, Wollen, Bristow and Reynolds from my year and Gillett and Lango (IIRC) from the year below and then Nigel Packer too the year after.

My years were 86-91, Danny Jordan was also on Swindon's youth books from my year - both he and Fraser playing in our Reserves team under Hoddle.

Anyway, Wayne, call in some favours.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 17:01:26
The school I work at has a particularly good football team, made up of year 5s and 6s. There’s one lad in my class who even at 10 years old clearly has phenomenal natural talent. It’s scary how easy he makes it look. I’m not saying he’ll go on to make it at any level when he’s bigger, but I also wouldn’t rule it out. Very strong already for a kid his size (he’s smaller than your average ten year old).


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Steak supper on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 17:19:42
Not been here for a while . I think that Flynn is a good appointment. Should get the team playing pragmatic football.

Gav would have been a good wildcard choice given his record filling in.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 17:20:08
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tSfNOISdtNA


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 20:51:59
An experienced 'manager'. Happy, let's hope it works out.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 08:25:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKVfJTzMXxs

Main take away from this OSC with Flynn is that it sounds a bit uncertain for Mad Gav...



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 08:49:04
Main take away from this OSC with Flynn is that it sounds a bit uncertain for Mad Gav...
TBF I like Mad Gav as a person, hes a personality, but was brought in to be defensive coach, and we have been pretty terrible defensively this season.

So it would be thanks for everything and good luck in the future.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MrGudz on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 08:55:19
TBF I like Mad Gav as a person, hes a personality, but was brought in to be defensive coach, and we have been pretty terrible defensively this season.

So it would be thanks for everything and good luck in the future.

Wasn't he a SDM Appointment?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 08:56:55
Wasn't he a SDM Appointment?

You did a great job Sandro, don't worry.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 08:57:11
Think Lindsey bought him in.
They were at FGR together.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 08:57:31
Wasn't he a SDM Appointment?
No idea but he joined in July 2022.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 08:58:49
TBF I like Mad Gav as a person, hes a personality, but was brought in to be defensive coach, and we have been pretty terrible defensively this season.

So it would be thanks for everything and good luck in the future.

…he’s definitely do a better job as our attacking coach!
It would be a shame to see him go - he’s probably been the highlight of the last season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:01:02
…he’s definitely do a better job as our attacking coach!
It would be a shame to see him go - he’s probably been the highlight of the last season.
It will be a shame but Flynn must be allowed to bring in his own coaching staff. Defensively we have beet utterly woeful at times.

I do hope Mildy stays though, even if its not goalkeeping coach in one form or another, proper good club servant and Town fan.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:02:19
It will be a shame but Flynn must be allowed to bring in his own coaching staff. Defensively we have beet utterly woeful at times.

I do hope Mildy stays though, even if its not goalkeeping coach in one form or another, proper good club servant and Town fan.

Certainly not against Flynn bringing in his own people.
Don’t see why he can’t bring his own people in to work alongside Gav & Mildy.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:04:22
Certainly not against Flynn bringing in his own people.
Don’t see why he can’t bring his own people in to work alongside Gav & Mildy.
The only reason I can think of would be cost.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:07:07
Personally, I’d want to retain both Mad Gav and Mildy.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:10:10
Mad Gav was Sandro's man


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:14:44
Mad Gav was Sandro's man

I’m sure Lindsey said in an interview - it was his decision to bring Gav in because he’d previously known him from their time at FGR.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:15:54
I’m sure Lindsey said in an interview - it was his decision to bring Gav in because he’d previously known him from their time at FGR.
Sandro confirmed in one of the panels that Gav was his man to ensure consistency in the event Head Coach changes.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:19:00
…then he should have just put him in as head coach to start with!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:25:35
…then he should have just put him in as head coach to start with!

Then he wouldn't have been able to ensure consistency in the event of a management change!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:32:01
Sandro confirmed in one of the panels that Gav was his man to ensure consistency in the event Head Coach changes.

Wasn't that the point of Sandro? (not that it went so well).

I do get the theory of "have a few people around so you have continuity" which works well if, say, Garner leaves after a successful season. But the flip side of it doesn't seem to get acknowledged, which is if you have a season like this one, you suddenly have extra people to sack.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 09:32:19
Then he wouldn't have been able to ensure consistency in the event of a management change!

…no, he’d have just won football matches and then we wouldn’t have needed any management changes


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:09:27
Wasn't that the point of Sandro? (not that it went so well).

I do get the theory of "have a few people around so you have continuity" which works well if, say, Garner leaves after a successful season. But the flip side of it doesn't seem to get acknowledged, which is if you have a season like this one, you suddenly have extra people to sack.

Isn't that the idea of a DoF so he does the recruitment of the new manager / head coach knowing what is / has been going on, and he is the one consistent person


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:12:40
Listening to the brief on the sofa last night sound like Flynn is going and talking to everyone including scouts, analyst, fitness coaches etc and making a decision on everyone, I suppose being experienced he has the opportunity to mould how he wants it run having worked a certain way, and maybe having a budget to increase  / reduce his staff if he feels it is needed


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:25:19
Lennie Lawrence as our new Technical Director? Heard a rumour but no idea if it has any substance.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:32:22
We are going down a different approach from the past so there wont be a tech director, the manager will have more say and ownership of recruitment so there will be a Football head role but very different to Sandros old role.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:33:25
We are going down a different approach from the past so there wont be a tech director, the manager will have more say and ownership of recruitment so there will be a Football head role but very different to Sandros old role.

Has this been publicly shared?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:34:02
Lennie Lawrence as our new Technical Director? Heard a rumour but no idea if it has any substance.
Probably lazy linking as he was First Team Management Consultant at Newport when Flynn was there. May be true, may not be, but it could just be people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 100.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:46:22
Has this been publicly shared?
Yes, the manager himself in interviews has stated it as has the CEO. Was also discussed at the AB this week and will be in the minutes of the AB when they come out soon.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:48:51
Yes, the manager himself in interviews has stated it as has the CEO. Was also discussed at the AB this week and will be in the minutes of the AB when they come out soon.

Thanks. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying what the structure will be. Do you have any links?

Was Zav's trip to the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office discussed?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:58:33
Probably lazy linking as he was First Team Management Consultant at Newport when Flynn was there. May be true, may not be, but it could just be people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 100.

Took a Director role at Hartlepool about 6 months back, seems to have bounced around in DoF/consultancy roles a fair bit over the last 5-6 years.

As as you rightly state, who knows.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:04:47
He's 75...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:10:40
He's 75...

You're right, he'd probably be better suited to being the leader of the free world at that age.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:14:27
You're right, he'd probably be better suited to being the leader of the free world at that age.

I'm not sure Biden is doing much for geriatric employment advocates.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:15:27
Thanks. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying what the structure will be. Do you have any links?

Was Zav's trip to the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office discussed?
Yes questions on this and a whole host of other questions will be in the AB minutes with responses


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:56:28
Yes, the manager himself in interviews has stated it as has the CEO. Was also discussed at the AB this week and will be in the minutes of the AB when they come out soon.

Interesting - I haven't seen that pulled into anything printed (as an absent fan), maybe it was lost by the club themselves as they had far more important things to communicate to the fanbase:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/the-pursuit-agency-become-new-digital-award-sponsor/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:57:07
By the way, I am not knocking the commercial team here - these bastards have sponsored everything, right down to the Official Tea Coasters.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:58:37
Interesting - I haven't seen that pulled into anything printed (as an absent fan), maybe it was lost by the club themselves as they had far more important things to communicate to the fanbase:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/the-pursuit-agency-become-new-digital-award-sponsor/

Nor I, or in anything I've heard either.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:58:38
By the way, I am not knocking the commercial team here - these bastards have sponsored everything, right down to the Official Tea Coasters.

You'd have to say the new commercial guy looks to be one of the few things at the club which is going great guns at the moment. The club's commercial partners page has 50 (!) businesses on it, and that's not been updated with some of the recent ones as well - https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/commercial/club-partners-page/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:00:08
You'd have to say the new commercial guy looks to be one of the few things at the club which is going great guns at the moment. The club's commercial partners page has 50 (!) businesses on it, and that's not been updated with some of the recent ones as well - https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/commercial/club-partners-page/


I'd be careful of parking your car at the ground right now - not only is there no way to pay but you can get fined for not paying, but you'll likely find your car with Sponsors print and logo's on it by the time you get back to it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:01:50
Fuck it, they've missed an opportunity.  Official Club Car Parking Fine Ticket Sponsor.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:24:25
Yes questions on this and a whole host of other questions will be in the AB minutes with responses

Are they proper detailed answers or just the usual 1 liners, although there is a fans forum next week to get more detailed answers hopefully


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:24:52
Has this been publicly shared?

Angus did communicate it at the OSC player awards so i knew about it, but tbf I haven't seen it stated anywhere else.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:26:21
Are they proper detailed answers or just the usual 1 liners, although there is a fans forum next week to get more detailed answers hopefully

q) Was Zav Austin at a Government office as a representative of STFC?

a) Zav travelled using his own Oyster Card


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:26:45
Are they proper detailed answers or just the usual 1 liners, although there is a fans forum next week to get more detailed answers hopefully

If they are smart they will slay as many of the tough questions as possible now and allow the Forum to be more positive...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:27:49
q) Was Zav Austin at a Government office as a representative of STFC?

a) Zav travelled using his own Oyster Card

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:31:17
Q) What is Chris Kiely's roll at STFC?

A) Ham and Cheese, with a little bit of pickle

These are the problems with asking basic questions - the intent and need to pick away at an answer are lost.  Fans Forums will not enable that either.  The Trust, as a vehicle for fans concerns and ideas should be holding in depth sessions with the club.  No need for full minutes like the AB, simply ensuring they report back via the Trusts own formal meetings.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 15:42:26
I'd be careful of parking your car at the ground right now - not only is there no way to pay but you can get fined for not paying, but you'll likely find your car with Sponsors print and logo's on it by the time you get back to it.

I think you will find now the club own the car park they have not had the time (and probably had more important things to do) to get any parking arrangements setup.

I'm sure it isn't used that much anyway, but they just need to be careful of dumped vehicles now the council is not involved to pay for the removal fee's

There is a sponsorship opportunity - official tow truck partner  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 16:29:23
Are they proper detailed answers or just the usual 1 liners, although there is a fans forum next week to get more detailed answers hopefully
Detailed answers yes.. should be released soon


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 20:05:42
We are going down a different approach from the past so there wont be a tech director, the manager will have more say and ownership of recruitment so there will be a Football head role but very different to Sandros old role.

Music to my ears.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 12, 2023, 08:47:55
Grant McCann gets the Doncaster job. Good appointment I reckon.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, May 12, 2023, 09:44:44
Grant McCann gets the Doncaster job. Good appointment I reckon.

Unfinished business there.
Left for Hull after losing out in the play offs.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 12, 2023, 10:00:46
Grant McCann gets the Doncaster job. Good appointment I reckon.
Interesting you say good appointment (not having a dig at you at all mate) I did a little comparison.

McCann is 43 - Flynn is 42.

McCann has managed 348 games (winning 140) - Flynn has managed 318 (winning 123).

McCann has managed 4 teams previously (Posh twice) - Flynn has managed 2 teams.

McCann has a win ratio of 40.2% - Flynn has a win ratio of 38.7%.

McCann has made the L1 play off semi, 2 relegations, 1 promotion (Champions L1) and 4 manager of the month award and 1 manager of the season.

Flynn has made the L2 play off final twice, 0 relegations and 0 promotions and 4 manager of the month awards.

Fairly comparable TBH but McCanns being mostly in L1 and Flynn entirely in L2. Yet I expect many Town fans would have accepted McCann more readily than many have accepted Flynn (on social media not on here).


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 12, 2023, 10:03:48
Interesting you say good appointment (not having a dig at you at all mate) I did a little comparison.

McCann is 43 - Flynn is 42.

McCann has managed 348 games (winning 140) - Flynn has managed 318 (winning 123).

McCann has managed 4 teams previously (Posh twice) - Flynn has managed 2 teams.

McCann has a win ratio of 40.2% - Flynn has a win ratio of 38.7%.

McCann has made the L1 play off semi, 2 relegations, 1 promotion (Champions L1) and 4 manager of the month award and 1 manager of the season.

Flynn has made the L2 play off final twice, 0 relegations and 0 promotions and 4 manager of the month awards.

Fairly comparable TBH but McCanns being mostly in L1 and Flynn entirely in L2. Yet I expect many Town fans would have accepted McCann more readily than many have accepted Flynn (on social media not on here).

What is McCann's 'style'?

I think Flynn is hampered by Newport's reputation for awful football, coupled with his recent 1 win in 20 at Walsall.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 12, 2023, 10:52:51
What is McCann's 'style'?

I think Flynn is hampered by Newport's reputation for awful football, coupled with his recent 1 win in 20 at Walsall.
I agree, I think McCanns "style" is more football based, but then so was Flynns for 1 and a half seasons at Newport after the preceeding 2 seasons were very poor entertainment.

I agree the 1 win in 20 or whatever did hamper him but McCann had no wins in 8 games for Posh and then 1 win in 18 (14 defeats) when at Hull.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 12, 2023, 10:54:40
Walsall were no great (Ricky) shakes after Flynn left.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 12, 2023, 11:36:03
I agree, I think McCanns "style" is more football based, but then so was Flynns for 1 and a half seasons at Newport after the preceeding 2 seasons were very poor entertainment.

I agree the 1 win in 20 or whatever did hamper him but McCann had no wins in 8 games for Posh and then 1 win in 18 (14 defeats) when at Hull.

Posh were also disappearing out of play-off contention until they got rid of him & brought back Ferguson for the 37th time


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 12, 2023, 12:38:50
Posh were also disappearing out of play-off contention until they got rid of him & brought back Ferguson for the 37th time

Yeah, that's the epitome of a manager and a club just fitting perfectly when it comes to getting them to the promotion/play-off areas in league 1. When it gets to the Championship though, they are often way out of depth.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Friday, May 12, 2023, 12:51:21
Walsall were no great (Ricky) shakes after Flynn left.

It was about 4 games wasnt it


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, May 12, 2023, 19:44:57
It was about 4 games wasnt it

3 games

Won - 1
Drew - 1
Lost - 1


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 08:35:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hidGNjR5avw

Worth a gander.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, October 7, 2023, 20:43:46
Flynn interviewed for the Bradford job... well it was fun while it lasted


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, October 7, 2023, 20:46:53
Flynn interviewed for the Bradford job... well it was fun while it lasted

Where have you heard that Joe?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, October 7, 2023, 20:47:13
Flynn interviewed for the Bradford job... well it was fun while it lasted

You jest... surely...?!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, October 7, 2023, 20:57:48
Flynn interviewed for the Bradford job... well it was fun while it lasted

Fuck off soapy tit wank.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, October 7, 2023, 21:02:44
Think this is bollocks

Though if he is not backed in Jan think he will walk then once he gets the chance and who could blame him


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Saturday, October 7, 2023, 21:34:48
Flynn was definitely in Bradford today…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, October 7, 2023, 21:52:04
Got a decent reception from their fans as he walked along the touch line before the game.
A few hand shakes on the way.

More worried in January if he loses his intended targets again.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, October 7, 2023, 22:23:22
Flynn was definitely in Bradford today…

There's always one ITK prick showing off


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, October 8, 2023, 08:11:55
This was a joke btw  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, October 8, 2023, 09:02:00
This was a joke btw  :girlgiggle:
... and it went down extremely well ;)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:54:34
Interestingly Flynn's win ratio is almost identical to Phil Brown's.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:59:09
Interestingly Flynn's win ratio is almost identical to Phil Brown's.
And Maurice Malpas.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:06:07
And Maurice Malpas.

Wow, in my mind Malpas had a worse record than Morris!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:08:18
Don’t forget Paul Hart :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:20:49
Don’t forget Paul Hart :D
Nope, Paul Hart win ratio 9% both Flynn and Malpas were/are on 31%. Vastly different.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:24:02
Interestingly Flynn's win ratio is almost identical to Phil Brown's.

In all fairness, throwing 2 EFL trophy games massively skews that - he’s managed 19 games in total so if we won those 2 EFL Trophy games it would be 10.5% healthier.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:26:15
In all fairness, throwing 2 EFL trophy games massively skews that - he’s managed 19 games in total so if we won those 2 EFL Trophy games it would be 10.5% healthier.

There may or may not be mitigations but the stat is the stat. He's on a par with Phil Brown.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:23:07
Graham Alexander for Bradford apparently.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:25:42
There may or may not be mitigations but the stat is the stat. He's on a par with Phil Brown.

Does that mean Gav is our best ever manager as he won 66% of his?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:28:42
Does that mean Gav is our best ever manager as he won 66% of his?

Wasn't ever appointed manager! Assume we might have another caretaker on 100% from one game?

I want caretaker Clem.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:41:24
Wasn't ever appointed manager! Assume we might have another caretaker on 100% from one game?

I want caretaker Clem.
Way things are looking more like Undertaker Clem


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:43:17
Power is an absolute slug but you can't say he lacked cojones. Laughable that he made himself manager. Proper Harchester United stuff.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:21:17
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Way things are looking more like Undertaker Clem

well played 😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:57:43
Power is an absolute slug but you can't say he lacked cojones. Laughable that he made himself manager. Proper Harchester United stuff.

As I said earlier Power was more savvy and probably had more contacts within the underworld😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:00:13
Persephone and Hades


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Cookie on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:38:00
Morris rumoured to be joining Millwall as assistant. Timing coincidental re: STFC contract I'm sure.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:32:59
Morris and Jones perfect for Millwall shame they couldn’t also get Sheridan on the coaching staff.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:08:49
Shit stirring thread:

"Jody Morris did a better job than Mike Flynn" - Discuss...

Only lost by more than 1 goal once (vs Mansfield).

Was let down by ill disciplined players (RHM/Khan) getting reds.

Never had a window.

Was prepared to mix it up tactically to try and get out of the rut.

The players seemed to have downed tools under Flynn. I'm not surprised, given how he has publicly slagged them off. We are 10 goals conceded in a row without reply at the moment. A record?


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:32:22
Think it’s a bit pointless comparing the present and past manager. The present and next manager is different, though.

The jolly naivety of Flynn’s unbeaten start to the season has disappeared into the ether now and it’s clear to see now that the defensive frailties that were apparent even during that spell are destroying us regularly now.

He’s seemingly done next to nothing to address the problem, preferring to put the blame on individuals rather than to iron it out via coaching or a change of formation.

I still can’t believe he wanted to play with 2 ball playing CBs seeing the players he was chasing that didn’t come here for whatever reason - the fella from FGR, the fella who legged it to India, Farquarson who went to Walsall and Daniels who stayed there. From what I know none of them could be classed as footballing CB. Maybe 1 of those 4 was supposed to play instead of Brewitt.

It’s all turned to shit now, of course.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:38:50
Based on nothing at all, it appears that players seem to have totally gone off the boil. That can be down to a number of factors of course but I get the feeling that there is a huge amount of frustration and the body language of the players doesn't look good at all. I only watched the second half on Saturday and it appeared to be a frustrated, badly performing hotch potch of a side lacking any cohesion at all. Dare I say rudderless?

There have been rumours that Flynn has lost the dressing room, players are not as injured as being made out. Unfortunately it sounds a mess behind the scenes, and a mess on the pitch at the moment.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:39:27
Even including Scott Lindsey who is a bit of a cunt regardless, I think its pointless trying to judge any Swindon manager under this regime. All been sold pups. Only one that had a decent crack was Garner thanks to Chorley.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:44:45
Yeah, I get this is pointless, but it felt like a change from chatting about Clem and his goons.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:53:49
We’re inconsistent. If our players were consistently good they wouldn’t be here.

It was only a couple of weeks back we had back to back wins against Mansfield & Accrington.

This team will win some, lose some & draw some because that’s the level of players/squad we have.


I don’t think changing manager will do anything other than cost us money we ‘haven’t got’ whilst the finances don’t fully add up - I bet signing/paying/getting rid of that complete fraud Jody Morris cost us a lot


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:57:28
Even including Scott Lindsey who is a bit of a cunt regardless, I think its pointless trying to judge any Swindon manager under this regime. All been sold pups. Only one that had a decent crack was Garner thanks to Chorley.

He will be an even bigger cunt when his team beats on New Years Day!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:58:58
I think you are right DV, too inconsistent to go up or down. Assuming January isn't a massive cluterF.. or the EFL don't stick us with something.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:00:43
I think you are DV, too inconsistent to go up or down. Assuming January isn't a massive cluterF.. or the EFL don't stick us with something.

Yes, I am DV.

We are inconsistent now. Think that might change (not in a good way) when Kemp & Young (and Hutton & Khan & Brewitt) all go…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:38:43
Yes, I am DV.

Doh, are *right*

Quote
We are inconsistent now. Think that might change (not in a good way) when Kemp & Young (and Hutton & Khan & Brewitt) all go…

Then we may be in trouble. Flynn seems confident of reinforcements,  but I'm not sure if that's a message on expectations to Clem or genuine "got them"


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:42:59
Like so many seasons at Swindon - it’s going to be a season of two halves. Pre & post January.
The transfer window is an absolute fucking bollocks way of doing things.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:47:07
It’s not like we’ve got a DOF lining the signings up😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 18, 2023, 15:02:15
It’s not like we’ve got a DOF lining the signings up😁

Isn't Jamie Russell de facto in that role? Obviously we have Clem personally overseeing it...  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 18, 2023, 15:16:10
Isn't Jamie Russell de facto in that role? Obviously we have Clem personally overseeing it...  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Hardly Ben Chorley😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 15:18:32
Isn't Jamie Russell de facto in that role? Obviously we have Clem personally overseeing it...  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

You would hope he is here to talk the real good signing's into coming - come and have a chat with the majority shareholder lad he will tell you why you should sign for us

"need any plumbing work done lad, I'm your man, and I will only charge mates rates if you sign for us"  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 10:21:51
Didn’t Power want Flynn at one time?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 10:48:48
Didn’t Power want Flynn at one time?

Not sure, I’d heard that Clem wanted him when he first took over instead of Garner


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 11:59:09
Yeah, may have got the timeline wrong.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 20:27:14
When does Flynn get the share of the blame for whats going on at the moment?

He no longer seems able to get the tune out the squad he did for the first month. Lots of whispers and rumours about people not being as injured as they say, Flynn himself has even outed RHM post match today.

Players that were nailed on as our most reliable and talented players, FBT & McEachran have gone backwards and badly.

Very limited in what he could do the last few games, but he knew the budget he had, and he failed in August to build a squad to make that work. At the time we all said what was the point in the B.Ward loan, what a waste of a body.

Quite who the hell extended his contract earlier this season, when he had done nothing above the expectations of competing for promotion is beyond me. Do we really think this was a Jamie Russell call? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure this is an unlisted stakeholder in the club buying his silence with a pay day when the new owners come in. Things are worryingly quiet on that front.

Honestly beginning to feel a bit like Sheridan/Power. Less obvious and less toxic, but a manager that's managing decline for an owner that wants out.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Qunk on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 20:31:17
Didn’t Power want Flynn at one time?

Yup, around the time we briefly got McGreal.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 21:06:47
It’s amazing the number of players, staff, management who’ve all been in the building, tasted a slice of life at SN1 - and promptly fucked off soonest.

The place stinks.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 21:13:02
It’s amazing the number of players, staff, management who’ve all been in the building, tasted a slice of life at SN1 - and promptly fucked off soonest.

The place stinks.

Are you sure it is not the sewer drain on the corner of theTE/DR stands?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 21:13:43
Are you sure it is not the sewer drain on the corner of theTE/DR stands?

That's the one thing our current hierarchy should be perfectly set up to deal with.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 08:33:29
The sad reality as well is that Flynn is probably overachieving where our budget sits in terms of league position.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:10:56
This Walsall defensive performance was absolutely a proto-2023 Flynn's Swindon performance.

Genuinely painful to see the drop in STFC's quality over the same period too. Thanks for 'personally overseeing' that Morfuni.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5ZOp-Pc4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5ZOp-Pc4g)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 22:59:30
Never known a Swindon boss survive a run of 3 wins in 18 in the basement league

Though it’s the idiot that gave him a contract extension who should be shown the door first


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 00:21:35
That's the one thing our current hierarchy should be perfectly set up to deal with.

I doubt it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 11:45:28
What's the record of the other managers that have departed under Clem - current regime must be getting close, although not having the biggest budget and a big injury crisis he is still in charge of player recruitment and tactics


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 11:46:37
What's the record of the other managers that have departed under Clem - current regime must be getting close, although not having the biggest budget and a big injury crisis he is still in charge of player recruitment and tactics

Morris is the only one we’ve binned.
The others got poached.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 11:47:00
Flynn should get fried


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:04:12
Flynn should get fried
Hes got us in a scramble.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:10:44
He certainly has egg on his face


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:22:49
I can't see anyone doing anything better than Flynn in all honesty


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:29:44
Flynn should get fried

Over easy. Or sunny side up?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:34:22
I can't see anyone doing anything better than Flynn in all honesty
I'm pretty sure they could. I'm not saying we would be top of the league but a decent manager would make us us into a half decent, competitive, cohesive group. In spite of the off field stuff, we've seen in the first couple of months of the season that the players are more than decent enough for L2.

The Aldershot debacle was an automatic firing offence as far as I'm concerned. I'd have had the MF escorted off the premises as soon as the final whistle went.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: blinkpip on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:41:35
No point changing managers if their hands our tied. The problem lies at the top and the budget given.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:44:22
I'm pretty sure they could. I'm not saying we would be top of the league but a decent manager would make us us into a half decent, competitive, cohesive group. In spite of the off field stuff, we've seen in the first couple of months of the season that the players are more than decent enough for L2.

The Aldershot debacle was an automatic firing offence as far as I'm concerned. I'd have had the MF escorted off the premises as soon as the final whistle went.

Agree with all of that.

There’s no backs against the wall, do or die, us against the world spirit on show.

It’s flat capitulation after flat capitulation.

As you say, 0-7 down vs Aldershot should have been instant P45. Do not wait until the final whistle. Escorted out.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:46:33
The Aldershot debacle was an automatic firing offence as far as I'm concerned. I'd have had the MF escorted off the premises as soon as the final whistle went.
This.

Worst result ever in the clubs 144 year history IMO.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:50:21
I think other managers could do better, but I also don't think any managers who could do better would take the job right now. Clean house upstairs and then look at a new appointment.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:58:52
The fact Flynn won’t take any of the blame and just lumps it on the players says everything. If he can’t accept a significant portion of the blame then it’s never going to change so on that basis alone he should be gone.

Let’s not pretend we were organised or defending properly even when we were getting results.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 14:21:03
No point changing managers if their hands our tied. The problem lies at the top and the budget given.

Exactly this. Pointless.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: anglia red on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 14:54:44
The fact Flynn won’t take any of the blame and just lumps it on the players says everything. If he can’t accept a significant portion of the blame then it’s never going to change so on that basis alone he should be gone.

Let’s not pretend we were organised or defending properly even when we were getting results.
Fully agree. We made the same defensive errors but got away with early season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 15:00:09
Does anyone know what the worst record a manager  had before he was sacked? Surely in this day and age Flynn must be very close to having the worse ever record!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 15:02:27
As usual, Rich Banyard's your man. Flynn is still miles clear of Morris, Hart and Sheridan, but not many others - just Gorman, Quinn and Todd. Behind Iffy.

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Managers.asp


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 15:07:12
As usual, Rich Banyard's your man. Flynn is still miles clear of Morris, Hart and Sheridan, but not many others - just Gorman, Quinn and Todd. Behind Iffy.

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Managers.asp
Worst of all in terms of goals against though, worst even than Gorman and this is in the bottom tier. Conceding more than 2 a game on average at this level is embarrassing.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 15:08:04
Which Flynn % is correct :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: fuzzy on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 15:41:15
Worst of all in terms of goals against though, worst even than Gorman and this is in the bottom tier. Conceding more than 2 a game on average at this level is embarrassing.

Gorman doesn't even make this list of the worst ever PL managers  :D

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/the-32-worst-ever-premier-league-managers/ss-AA1m698P?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7ee06aa5294e4006956153d751c1d837&ei=62#image=1


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 16:37:36
Which Flynn % is correct :D

One is win percentage, one is % of total points available I believe, Flynn has quite a lot of draws relatively speaking.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 12:50:50
The thing that I liked about the Flynn appointment initially was that I thought from watching his Newport/Walsall teams and his experience in this division, he’d look at our squad and immediately bring in a few big, league two cloggers through the spine of the team to compliment the powderpuff players we had. Some middle ground between our technical but weak as piss squad and the physicality and structure of his Newport/Walsall teams would be very balanced.

Then within a couple days his quotes in the media about his perceived long ball playing style hinted that he was intent on going the other way and total football here to prove himself as capable of that which sadly wasn’t what we needed more of.

Not saying we needed to go full physicality and long ball but add in a couple of strong CB’s and midfielders who can defend and a physical forward (which I think he did try to get to be fair to him) and you’re half way there in this division. Teams manage to get around the promotion spots just by being defensively structured well and disciplined, add a few of our technical players in on top and you’re in a good spot.

Although I guess you can counter all of that by mentioning how our more technical squad ripped a hole through his Walsall team.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 13:14:45
It always amazes me how football has changed, though doesn't surprise.

1902 (Allen) - 1984 (Beamish), 14 managers in 82 years ( 5.86 years per manager)
1984 (Macari) - 2008 (Malpas), 14 managers, in 24 year (1.71 years per manager)
2008 (Wilson) - 2023 (Flynn), 15 managers in 15 years (1 years per manager)

[2017 (Flitcordt) - 2023 (Flynn), 8 managers in 6 years (0.75 years per manager)]

Ok there are some years we had 2 managers at the start/end that I didn't count...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 13:29:52
The subtlety here is if a manager and results are crap he should be sacked regardless. What you can’t do is use chopping and changing being bad or needing stability as an excuse to keep a poor manager, that is actually far worst than constantly chopping and changing as you are almost sealing in your demise.

Ultimately Flynn is likely to oversee our lowest ever points total and possibly finish in the bottom tier, if that occurs there should be no question of him losing his job regardless of excuses. He should immediately be out of the door.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 13:36:37
Emperor Flynn has no clothes. His approach has been laid bare and we can see it for what it is. Even with a free rein and a healthy budget he hasn’t got what it’d take to assemble a squad that can perform - especially defensively.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: doversparkred on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:00:48
If Jody Morris is the wrong type of appointment (premier league and player development creds) and Michael Flynn is also wrong (lower league experience and has got out of L2 before) then who is the right type of appointment?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:03:22
Wellens


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:06:16
If Jody Morris is the wrong type of appointment (premier league and player development creds) and Michael Flynn is also wrong (lower league experience and has got out of L2 before) then who is the right type of appointment?

Nobody is.

I honestly think who the manager is a much of a muchness at this level. Any success we've had has been attributed to the quality of the squad with a small amount from the manager.

Wellens promotion team - large budget to try and get promotion (as Wellens has said in interviews). Squad included Yates, Doyle, Grant and Benda - brilliant spine of a team

Put Wellens in charge of this squad and I don't think we'd be much better off, maybe marginally so.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:07:38
Well, yeah. But Wellens putting together his own squad would get us out of L2.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BenTheRed on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:09:38
Wellens

I'd say Wellens was backed (in the first season and his record wasn't great at Oldham before) whereas Flynn hasn't been backed- but in any case, Flynn has lost it and needs to go

It's a real sh*tty environment for any manager to do well, I'd see most struggling here tbh


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: doversparkred on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:16:57
I think a difficult truth is we recruited better players in the Power era - due to greater football knowledge and contacts at a senior level.  And probably because of Ben Chorley.  Do we even have a Chief Scout now?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:19:27
If Jody Morris is the wrong type of appointment (premier league and player development creds) and Michael Flynn is also wrong (lower league experience and has got out of L2 before) then who is the right type of appointment?

One who wins games.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:35:58
Well, yeah. But Wellens putting together his own squad would get us out of L2.

Paul Jewell put together that 19-20 team didn't he?

Brilliantly coached by Wellens nonetheless

BTW it's never the model, it's how well the model is executed.

All models can work. Any will work more often is there if clear, progressive leadership from the top of the club down. Chair, CEO, DoF and Head Coach all being good leaders and aligned on their model at the time. Look at Brentford or Brighton. It stems from the Chairman down, but takes 3-4+ high quality individuals to execute it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:38:19
One who wins games.

Better give Guardiola a call


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 14:51:54
All models can work. Any will work more often is there if clear, progressive leadership from the top of the club down. Chair, CEO, DoF and Head Coach all being good leaders and aligned on their model at the time. Look at Brentford or Brighton. It stems from the Chairman down, but takes 3-4+ high quality individuals to execute it.

Agreed.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 15:01:39
I'd also say that money is nice but leadership from the top is more important (assuming the budget is 'competitive' 😆).

E.g. Accrington and Northampton vs. Salford and Gillingham


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 15:05:56
Nobody is.

I honestly think who the manager is a much of a muchness at this level. Any success we've had has been attributed to the quality of the squad with a small amount from the manager.

Wellens promotion team - large budget to try and get promotion (as Wellens has said in interviews). Squad included Yates, Doyle, Grant and Benda - brilliant spine of a team

Put Wellens in charge of this squad and I don't think we'd be much better off, maybe marginally so.

I think that sums things up nicely.

Your first sentence can be copied and pasted alongside all four divisions IMHO. With a short list of merry go round managers for each level.

Money gets the manager. Money gets the players. The result of the money spent is in the lap of the football gods.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: doversparkred on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 15:17:49
As usual, Rich Banyard's your man. Flynn is still miles clear of Morris, Hart and Sheridan, but not many others - just Gorman, Quinn and Todd. Behind Iffy.

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Managers.asp

Quite telling to see how many recent ex-managers have gone on to have similar-or-better success elsewhere - Williams, Flitcroft, Wellens, Garner, Lindsey etc.  Shows the importance of having the bigger picture setup / strategy in place as well as recruiting the right team in the dugout.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 15:20:33
What’s Garner done? Sacked by Charlton, sacked by Colchester.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: doversparkred on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 15:26:47
What’s Garner done? Sacked by Charlton, sacked by Colchester.

I was just checking you were concentrating.

Amazing 60% win ratio at Swindon tho - best record since Di Canio - and a couple of pens away from a Wembley final.  If memory serves that was part of the Ben Chorley era (who was funded by Clem I believe) which would suggest the importance of the overall strategy and setup.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 15:36:54
If Jody Morris is the wrong type of appointment (premier league and player development creds) and Michael Flynn is also wrong (lower league experience and has got out of L2 before) then who is the right type of appointment?

Nobody under this regime. Anyone would be doomed.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 15:47:13
What’s Garner done? Sacked by Charlton, sacked by Colchester.
Could’nt do any worse here.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 16:26:03
Our strategy is to sign players who will potentially in a year or 2 be worth money so they can be sold on and the club makes money - which is fine if a) the money is reinvested back into the club or b) it is reinvested back into the playing squad but as neither seem to have been done then it makes a mockery of policy.

We need that right blend of youth and experience - the spine of the team should be your experience to help along the younger ones and provide leadership, sadly we have not had that for a few seasons and there stems the issue - not willing to pay a bit more in wages for the more experienced player as they have no resale value.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 17:23:24
If Jody Morris is the wrong type of appointment (premier league and player development creds) and Michael Flynn is also wrong (lower league experience and has got out of L2 before) then who is the right type of appointment?

He's never got out of L2 before.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 17:28:11
I'm of the belief that I'd rather we didn't get a new manager until the regime changes.

Flynn is part of the regime. He's toed the line, joined in with the lies, been complicit. Anyone of any class would have resigned after Aldershot. His shabby contract extension stinks to high heaven and him and Hatswell are clearly about as much use as Paul and Barry Chuckle on the training ground. His motivational, organisational and leadership abilities are non existent.

Morris at least had the guts and self respect to call out the bullshit.

I'd like Flynn to stay until the entire Morfuni operation is driven out.

Then we make a fresh start with a Caddis or similar.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 17:28:58
I'm of the belief that I'd rather we didn't get a new manager until the regime changes.

Flynn is part of the regime. He's toed the line, joined in with the lies, been complicit. Anyone of any class would have resigned after Aldershot. His shabby contract extension stinks to high heaven and him and Hatswell are clearly about as much use as Paul and Barry Chuckle on the training ground. His motivational, organisational and leadership abilities are non existent.

Morris at least had the guts and self respect to call out the bullshit.

I'd like Flynn to stay until the entire Morfuni operation is driven out.

Then we make a fresh start with a Caddis or similar.

Agree with this, providing there is a snow ball in hells chance of happening.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 17:30:04
He's never got out of L2 before.

Any manager who has got out of league 2 before won’t be looking for a job in league 2 unless their career is on a downward trajectory.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 17:40:29
We need Lou Macari


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 17:47:23
Perhaps the defensive coach should be the first to go!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 17:47:53
If only we had one!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 18:24:55
Any manager who has got out of league 2 before won’t be looking for a job in league 2 unless their career is on a downward trajectory.

Not always, if a manager can see a plan and thinks the club is on an upward curve then they may sometimes be willing to drop down to go forwards.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 18:25:32
If you were a seasoned or respected manager and the Swindon job came would you, if you’d done your homework and due diligence accept a job here?

Looking at an under achieving club with decent crowds you’d have to ask yourself why that was surely? And don’t managers and agents talk to each other?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 18:41:19
If you were a seasoned or respected manager and the Swindon job came would you, if you’d done your homework and due diligence accept a job here?

Looking at an under achieving club with decent crowds you’d have to ask yourself why that was surely? And don’t managers and agents talk to each other?

I was amazed that Morris, hugely well connected across football, joined us for exactly this reason but I think that the reality is that there are enough ambitious managers out there that are prepared to steel themselves and say “how bad can it be?”

The answer of course is “disastrously bad” but you only find that out after you’ve been told that Foundation Park is the training ground and yet the Beversbrook dressing room is shaking to the sound of that morning’s Zumba class whilst one of the heavies from the boardroom waits outside to tell you that it would be a really good idea if you include his son on the bench.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 18:42:39
Not always, if a manager can see a plan and thinks the club is on an upward curve then they may sometimes be willing to drop down to go forwards.

We’ll that isn’t us :/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 11:49:07
We need Lou Macari

Might be tongue in cheek but he'd be a level of back to basics we need. He'd certainly get them fit in preseason which has been a staple of every one of our successful div 4 teams.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 11:50:57
Players of today wouldn’t put up with that


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 11:52:15
If you were a seasoned or respected manager and the Swindon job came would you, if you’d done your homework and due diligence accept a job here?

Looking at an under achieving club with decent crowds you’d have to ask yourself why that was surely? And don’t managers and agents talk to each other?

Any new manager will probably come from Michael Standings agency anyway.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 11:53:33
Players of today wouldn’t put up with that

They did under Di Canio, not that long ago. Some thrive under it, like Simon Ferry.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 11:54:33
Might be tongue in cheek but he'd be a level of back to basics we need. He'd certainly get them fit in preseason which has been a staple of every one of our successful div 4 teams.
Modern players are too mollycoddled and wouldnt cope with Lous training regime these days. Playing fatigued etc blah blah blah.

A manager of his ilk would get them fit and stop them conceding goals though.

Not many like that around now as most managers just want to play tippy tappy passing football, flatter to decieve stuff, creating few actual chances as they would rather walk the ball into the net ala FIFA computer games than actually having a shot or a penetrative pass to a striker inside the box.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:02:11
Modern players are too mollycoddled and wouldnt cope with Lous training regime these days. Playing fatigued etc blah blah blah.

A manager of his ilk would get them fit and stop them conceding goals though.

Not many like that around now as most managers just want to play tippy tappy passing football, flatter to decieve stuff, creating few actual chances as they would rather walk the ball into the net ala FIFA computer games than actually having a shot or a penetrative pass to a striker inside the box.
No no no mate...that's 'posession based football'...it's the line all 'modern coaches' trot out now. They're just robots who can't think for themselves...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:07:20
No no no mate...that's 'posession based football'...it's the line all 'modern coaches' trot out now. They're just robots who can't think for themselves...
Indeed, its all about stats not results now it seems for some managers.

Let them keep the ball we will keep the 3 points.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:44:19
They did under Di Canio, not that long ago. Some thrive under it, like Simon Ferry.

There was one notable exception :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:50:54
There was one notable exception :)
Not just 1, there was also Jonathan Téhoué, remember him? a lot of players werent happy with PdC's management techiniques, or lack of them! but he really got us playing as a unit.

Flint, Luke Rooney, Joe Devera, Lukas Magera and Billy Bodin all struggled badly under him too, some publically after they left us.  Calling him a bully and racist etc.

I would love a manager with a quarter of his passion though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:56:02
There are modern versions of the fitness and organisation focused manager who isn't possession obsessed- Iraola at Bournemouth, Howe at Newcastle. Cowleys in a lower league sense, Pete Wild too. Guardiola is a model, but he's not the only model - these guys are more aiming to be Diego Simeone for the most part. Klopp is definitely a bit of both.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 13:30:30
Not just 1, there was also Jonathan Téhoué, remember him? a lot of players werent happy with PdC's management techiniques, or lack of them! but he really got us playing as a unit.

Flint, Luke Rooney, Joe Devera, Lukas Magera and Billy Bodin all struggled badly under him too, some publically after they left us.  Calling him a bully and racist etc.

I would love a manager with a quarter of his passion though.

Michael Timlin was bombed out too early on after a disagreement.

You'll definitely run in to issues, but its not impossible. Lou is a bit more charming and tactful than PDC is with players though, I suspect.


Title: Re: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 15:20:03
Michael Timlin was bombed out too early on after a disagreement.

You'll definitely run in to issues, but its not impossible. Lou is a bit more charming and tactful than PDC is with players though, I suspect.
Lou would bomb them out quick enough if they were drinking too much but the affectionate way the players spoke about him at the 1986 reunion says he had more charm.

A lot of them who adopted his training methods towards fitness and living right had long careers well into their 30s so he must have been right.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 15:30:49
Macari soon bombed out troublesome goalkeeper Jake Findlay after a few months of signing him.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 16:43:07
Hartlepool have appointed Lennie Lawrence as manager for those wishing to roll back the years.

Couple of years older than Lou.

We might be on to something. Macari in!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 16:43:40
Charlton legend😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 10:53:19
Charlton legend😁
And very good mate of Flynns who he worked with as DoF at Newport for a few years.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 14:47:08
Are there any circumstances under which Flynn walks do we think?

Clearly no signings by Saturday would be... problematic.

We are only 6 points above 20th place!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 14:54:49
Why would he? Who junks a 3 year contract?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BenTheRed on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 14:58:45
I don't think he walks.

Did anyone bottom out why he was given the contract extension?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 14:59:31
Why would he? Who junks a 3 year contract?

Well quite, but if by the end of that 3 years we are in the National South, he might have walked.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:02:05
Well, he’d have been sacked before then - hopefully.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:03:41
I don't think he walks.

Did anyone bottom out why he was given the contract extension?

The rumour i had been told was that it was to keep him sweet by virute of a bigger pay off, while Clem was discussing selling the club and if the new owner brought in their own man.

You also need to consider who Flynn's agent is, and who made the decision to extend his contract.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:05:03
Yeah its all jobs for the boys ain't it. All milking the gravy train. Michael Standing and co probably not a nice signing on bonus too.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:05:46
I wouldn’t expect him to walk like all of us he’s got bills to pay and a family to support and clearly most of the problems on the pitch are being caused by issues behind the scenes so unless he’s sacked/payed off he’s not going to give up a decent salary unless he falls out with Clem or receives another job offer.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:06:48
Why would he? Who junks a 3 year contract?

I'm in a couple of minds about that contract extension. Whilst yes, the start to the season was encouraging and you could perhaps see why we would want to keep a manager who had the team playing exciting, entertaining and winning football. However things had started to take a turn and questions were being asked about our threadbare squad when Flynn was given his contract extension.

It might just be me, but Flynn looks pale and withered during his interviews, almost like he's tired of looking for the dressing room he appears to have lost. For his own sanity, and probably his next job opportunities does he want to carry on potentially leading us to our worst ever finish in the club's history? He already has the unwanted record of being the only league team in FA Cup history to concede 7 to a non-league side.

He's definitely not the only issue at the football club but for me he seems done and I'm not sure how long he can soldier on realistically.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:13:39
Yeah its all jobs for the boys ain't it. All milking the gravy train. Michael Standing and co probably not a nice signing on bonus too.

I am not suggesting anything in relation to Flynn (I have no inside knowledge), but it's interesting if First Touch Pro Management are his agent.  Back in 2015, QPR accounted for over 14% of all agents fees paid (in the Championship), and our friends at First Touch were involved in a few dealings that year - Messrs. Gladwin, Luongo and Grant Hall (twice!).  The complete shroud of secrecy that envelopes football creates a myriad of risks in my book, for financial "issues".


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:23:26
I'm in a couple of minds about that contract extension. Whilst yes, the start to the season was encouraging and you could perhaps see why we would want to keep a manager who had the team playing exciting, entertaining and winning football. However things had started to take a turn and questions were being asked about our threadbare squad when Flynn was given his contract extension.

It might just be me, but Flynn looks pale and withered during his interviews, almost like he's tired of looking for the dressing room he appears to have lost. For his own sanity, and probably his next job opportunities does he want to carry on potentially leading us to our worst ever finish in the club's history? He already has the unwanted record of being the only league team in FA Cup history to concede 7 to a non-league side.

He's definitely not the only issue at the football club but for me he seems done and I'm not sure how long he can soldier on realistically.
Again, in the Adver, he’s piling it all on the players who, he says, have to sort themselves out before anyone else can help. Surely, sooner or later, the CG fans will vocally call for his head - and others.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:27:51
Again, in the Adver, he’s piling it all on the players who, he says, have to sort themselves out before anyone else can help. Surely, sooner or later, the CG fans will vocally call for his head - and others.

If fans are calling for Flynn out before Clem then they need to get their fucking heads checked.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 16:01:20
Probably in the minority but there's been 4 or 5 Flynn signings that have played regularly in the first half of the season.

Best to judge Flynn when 7 or 8 starters are on him?

The discontent should arguably be directed at -
1. Clem. Where to begin.
2. The players. Still with the same issues, game management primarily, as under Morris.
3. Flynn. Scope for some major pragmatism might be limited with the tools to hand but surely room for some tinkering that could prove effective.
You don't know if don't try.
Talent, if it's there, will still be showcased regardless.




Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 17:05:50
Wobbly, I'd blame the players if they were performing below their level, I just don't think they are.  I know people disagree with me on this, but I stated very early on that our squad looked mid table to me, which is where they are.  I don't blame the defenders for being bad at defending, when they never were any good at it to start with.  The fact we put together a defensive unit lacking anyone who likes defending is an issue.

At the start of the season I said Flynn was extracting more out of the team than it was worth, now he is on a run of getting less out of them than they are worth.  The net/net is we find ourselves where I thought we'd be, but trending in the wrong direction.  My worry with Flynn is he seems to be ignoring the impact the system has on our defensive shape, especially given the obvious weaknesses in the individuals.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 17:39:16
Wobbly, I'd blame the players if they were performing below their level, I just don't think they are.  I know people disagree with me on this, but I stated very early on that our squad looked mid table to me, which is where they are.  I don't blame the defenders for being bad at defending, when they never were any good at it to start with.  The fact we put together a defensive unit lacking anyone who likes defending is an issue.

At the start of the season I said Flynn was extracting more out of the team than it was worth, now he is on a run of getting less out of them than they are worth.  The net/net is we find ourselves where I thought we'd be, but trending in the wrong direction.  My worry with Flynn is he seems to be ignoring the impact the system has on our defensive shape, especially given the obvious weaknesses in the individuals.

Can't disagree with any of that.
Ok, minus at least a couple of experienced heads with proper know how, a young group should still possess the hunger, desire & force of will to see out & win football matches regardless of coaching background.

Even a very average mid table L2 side shouldn't find itself 7 down at home to a non league team.
Flynn may well end up paying the price further down the line after possibly being undone by a faulty collective mindset that even the best manager would struggle to correct.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:14:33
Flynn sacked


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:22:08
Flynn sacked

Link?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:23:04
Link?

Various rumours on Twitter


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:25:22
Get that Welshy out, say get that Welshy out!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:26:07
This is just Clem trying to get himself some breathing space.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:26:36
Need more than rumours.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:28:50
Prayers?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:29:34
Prayers?

 :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:35:07
This is just Clem trying to get himself some breathing space.
My thoughts exactly. Can blame absolutely everything on Flynn for us being shit, he wanted a small squad blah blah. Then he gets the added bonus of being able to avoid signing many players this month as we didn’t have a new manager in time.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:36:39
Sound familiar?

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/23466222.newport-county-legend-michael-flynn-sacked-walsall/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: oxonrobin on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:38:04
If this is true, then the timing is horrible, unless new manager lined up already.

We will be scratching around for half fit free agents in March.

Lucky that only two go down.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:42:50
My thoughts exactly. Can blame absolutely everything on Flynn for us being shit, he wanted a small squad blah blah. Then he gets the added bonus of being able to avoid signing many players this month as we didn’t have a new manager in time.
But has to pay a hefty wad of compo


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:45:26
Quote from: oxonrobin
If this is true, then the timing is horrible.
But then we can avoid the transfer window looking for a new manager ;)

pretty sure it's a wind up. surely. nothing from proper media itk


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:45:47
But has to pay a hefty wad of compo

Not necessarily. A 3 year contract was reported. We were also told Morfuni owned the club and the Zavier Austin was a good bloke and only a matchday guest.

Even if it is/was a 3 year contract, there is nothing to prevent it having a lowish fixed termination fee.

He might also be on peanuts. So if there’s no pre-agreed sum to get rid, compensation would be 3 years of peanuts.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:53:11
But has to pay a hefty wad of compo
Does he, or are there exit clauses? Or if the rumours about his drinking are true can that be used for a ‘mutual agreement’. Who knows.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:57:33
He has the look of a booze hound!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lemis on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 22:10:56
Can't see us sacking Flynn, but I didn't see us sacking Morris last season, so my takes when it comes to these things are pretty terrible.

If we have sacked Flynn, I expect we'll get a repeat of last January, and for whomever gets the reigns I can't see how really with current investment levels they're really going to improve us.

We could play more defensive football, but I don't see how our players are capable of that nor them not making a mistake and gifting the opposition a goal.

The whole club is a mess, let alone the management position, perhaps my faith has just been completely worn down, but regardless of who is in charge, I can't see us getting out of this terrible form


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 22:20:38
Mad Gav part 3 incoming...?

Flynns lost the plot but I'm pretty sure Clem's regime will do this to anyone who comes in.

No surprise that Lindsay, Morris and Flynn all lost the will to live in the role


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 22:23:22
Maybe he said “if you sell Hutton then I will quit” & Clem said “Bye”


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 23:17:33
Bet they go for Caddis if Flynn has gone


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 23:23:02
Caddis would be mad to join though right?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 23:30:14
Caddis would be mad to join though right?

If any potential manager looked into what's going on in the background our choice is limited. I couldn't care less about it right now- it's an ownership change we need.

Any new manager will be the face of more lies, limited budgets and no plan.

Saying all of that. Flynn deserved to go.

Last year was different we sacked lindsey to get out of this league. We had ambition behind it



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: newmarket red on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 23:34:15
If he has gone why let him bring in players crazy.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 23:49:37
Fans: ‘Flynn must go but we can’t afford to sack him’ rumour flynn has gone ‘this is a disaster terrible timing in a transfer window’


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 00:22:42
Flynn's record really isn't good.
http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Managers.asp

...but binning him now would be nothing more deflecting/shifting noise. The reasons Town are losing have been apparent for weeks/months. Why act now?

Transfer window doesn't matter either. He has no say in outgoings (his words) and I dare say they will recruit the same players with or without Flynn.

His departure would simply highlight, yet again, the shortcomings of this football club at the moment.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: mrverve on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 01:45:40
Flynn's record really isn't good.
http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Managers.asp

...but binning him now would be nothing more deflecting/shifting noise. The reasons Town are losing have been apparent for weeks/months. Why act now?

Transfer window doesn't matter either. He has no say in outgoings (his words) and I dare say they will recruit the same players with or without Flynn.

His departure would simply highlight, yet again, the shortcomings of this football club at the moment.



Why act now?

Maybe it’s because his record over the past 20 plus games and performances have been fucking shit with no signs of improving?

Just because you want the ownership to change doesn’t excuse the shitshow on the pitch.

As for deflecting /shifting noise, those who want Flynn out won’t suddenly warm to Clem and will still want the fucker out too.

The whole club needs gutting.




Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 01:55:14
Let's face it we couldn't be much worse, so the timing really doesn't matter


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 07:19:14
Where are the rumours coming from as there’s nothing in the main social media outlets🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 07:23:22
I hope we don't get Cads, I want the lad to be a success and anyone unfortunate enough to get the Town gig under this current shitshow running the club are doomed to failure.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 07:44:15
I wonder if the the Reading pitch invasion and well documented disquiet of their fan base has galvanised the mindset of the town hierarchy into this action, assuming he has been relieved of his duties?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 08:03:42
I wonder if the the Reading pitch invasion and well documented disquiet of their fan base has galvanised the mindset of the town hierarchy into this action, assuming he has been relieved of his duties?

Definitely feels like an (expensive) diversion tactic.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 08:11:30
What is happening... has Flynn gone or what ?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 08:17:52
I hope we don't get Cads, I want the lad to be a success and anyone unfortunate enough to get the Town gig under this current shitshow running the club are doomed to failure.
My thoughts exactly...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 08:27:19
It'll be Gunning till the end of the window so Kiely can do what he likes on transfers.

Get a win or two and he might keep it until the end of the season.

If not, bring in a 'proper' manager who will be sold the same stuff about competitive budget and won't last 10 months.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 08:33:37
Sacking him without a ready made replacement, when our form has been this poor for an extended period of time, really would reinforce the view that the owners don’t have a clue what they are doing.

Not because Flynn deserves to stay (he doesn’t) but because it would show that this is a knee jerk “let’s deflect blame” move, without any actual planning.

They’re making it up as they go along, flailing around in the dark. You can picture the Monday morning call: “Anyone know any managers?” Jokers!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 08:49:05

Why act now?

Maybe it’s because his record over the past 20 plus games and performances have been fucking shit with no signs of improving?

Just because you want the ownership to change doesn’t excuse the shitshow on the pitch.

As for deflecting /shifting noise, those who want Flynn out won’t suddenly warm to Clem and will still want the fucker out too.

The whole club needs gutting.


I don't disagree with any of that and I won't mourn Flynn's exit too hard but my lack of trust with Morfuni seeps into on the pitch matters.

My theory is that Clem Morfuni sacking a manager would be down to thinking that it would enough to get fans on side. There still isn't nearly enough 'on the ground' evidence to show that the Town fanbase are unhappy as a majority. So I would argue that Morfuni will think a managerial change will appease those in the ground for now. I might be wrong and I'm sure that might change soon.

Morfuni and co have been blundering almost every football decision up for 18 months so I genuinely fear what they'd do next if Morfuni, in his mind, knee-jerked Flynn's exit.

I know we had fun with Gunning/Mildenhall's 3-games last season but we're talking about 18 games here... or Morfuni drags in a Sheridan type and little changes, just more toxicity. No adequate manager in their desperate unemployed mind will take this gig.

Frigby and boeta have articulated my point better than me.

Either way, somebody has decided to apply pressure on Morfuni to bin Flynn by distributing this news/rumour. This happened last season with Sandro Di Michele and Jody Morris.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 09:01:06
You wonder what it is going to take to make more realise the cancer is in the boardroom. Your pod has been vocal for some time - but the other two (Fools Rush In and Broadbent) need to play their part now. I’ve now idea what comparative listener numbers are. OSC has to ask questions too. Hopefully then, this turns into a similar protest to Reading - enough to get national sports media attention.

Then you need a *credible / honourable* prospective owner(s) to make themselves known, either via the Trust (or perhaps not…) or the local media, and hey presto, we’ve got a plan.

Easy, right?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 09:26:34
Knowing our board of crooks I’m fully expecting Joey Barton to be announced.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 09:36:29
Not that Flynn is devoid of any blame but I have 0 enthusiasm for any change of manager, it’s just putting another face in front of us. A new manager would hopefully get the defence a bit more tightened but it’s not going to address the root issues at the club.

Flynn’s been talking about a strong, experienced spine from the summer through to now yet we’ve signed 2 young goalkeepers, 0 strong or experienced CB’s, one of his Walsall castoffs in midfield (who to his credit has been okay recently) and young punt strikers. It doesn’t strike me that this is the recruitment he wants.

Sacking him just provides a reason to hide behind for a poor January window when we give it to someone like Gunning for the next 2 weeks as they drag their feet finding a new manager, before we appoint one with 2 days of the window left then complain that we couldn’t sign many players because they were waiting to see who the new manager is.

Then we’ll conveniently get some sort of “competitive budget for the summer” press release as ST’s go out.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:01:11
2 goalkeepers?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:08:11
As the adver journo said, changing the manager at STFC is like a restaurant changing the salad dressing when they have a rat infestation.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:08:52
2 goalkeepers?

Murphy Mahoney and then Bycroft


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:11:43
I don't disagree with any of that and I won't mourn Flynn's exit too hard but my lack of trust with Morfuni seeps into on the pitch matters.

My theory is that Clem Morfuni sacking a manager would be down to thinking that it would enough to get fans on side. There still isn't nearly enough 'on the ground' evidence to show that the Town fanbase are unhappy as a majority. So I would argue that Morfuni will think a managerial change will appease those in the ground for now. I might be wrong and I'm sure that might change soon.

Morfuni and co have been blundering almost every football decision up for 18 months so I genuinely fear what they'd do next if Morfuni, in his mind, knee-jerked Flynn's exit.

I know we had fun with Gunning/Mildenhall's 3-games last season but we're talking about 18 games here... or Morfuni drags in a Sheridan type and little changes, just more toxicity. No adequate manager in their desperate unemployed mind will take this gig.

Frigby and boeta have articulated my point better than me.

Either way, somebody has decided to apply pressure on Morfuni to bin Flynn by distributing this news/rumour. This happened last season with Sandro Di Michele and Jody Morris.

Who is that somebody? Someone behind the scenes or a player?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:12:24
So has he gone or is it just a rumour.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:20:50
So has he gone or is it just a rumour.

Nobody seems to answer🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:20:52
As the adver journo said, changing the manager at STFC is like a restaurant changing the salad dressing when they have a rat infestation.

Whilst that’s true.

It would still make the salad dressing better.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:24:41
Sacking a manager half way through a transfer window would be a neat illustration of how well run we are. I'm not particularly against Flynn going, but if we were going to make this call it should have been three weeks ago.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:27:03
Whilst that’s true.

It would still make the salad dressing better.

Not necessarily with our lot!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:47:11
*IF* the rumours of Flynn going are true, let's give Mad Gav a go and at least have some fun...we've got fuck all to lose... and neither has he...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:51:38
Tbh, thought we’d have heard something by now - even a denial.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:52:38
Saw on twitter that appointing Caddis is a cynical way to flog season tickets - 'join the adventure next season led by a Swindon legend' etc.

You'd hope Caddis would be clever enough not to get involved in that.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:54:30
Is Flynn the worst manager in our history? hell no.

Is Flynn the managing the worst defence in our history? no.

Is Flynn not playing to the players strengths? very much so.

Is Flynn turning a weak defence into a non exisistant defence by his refusal to change tactical direction and what seems to be masterminding the probably THE shittest defensive line we have ever had? for me yes.

I hate sacking managers but for me he lost my confidence after the Aldershot debacle, the worst result in our history for me and hes done nothing to react to that, our defence hasnt improved, he always relies on scoring more goals than we concede and without Young and Kemp that has gone out of the window.

I would only get rid of Flynn now if we had a replacement lined up all ready to come in and mastermind whatever is left of a budget and transfer window, preferably someone who can sort the defence out or get in players who will rectify the issues, in defence more players doe not equal a better defence.

For me we have looked better in the 2 or 3 occassions that we played with 4 defenders and not the 3/5 we play all the time as a preference but often when Flyann changes to a 4 the game is already lost. We dont have defensive minded defenders, simple, a basic necessity of a defender IMO.

If you look at the better clubs in L2 and L1 they have CB's who can defend and head balls who only go forwards for attacking set pieces and not going wandering upfield all the game leaving the defence exposed constantly.

Or if they have a defender that marauds up the pitch then they have a proper defensive minded midfielder sitting back with the defending CB to cover if(when) we lose possession. We don't have that type of player. Thats down to tactics of the manager which are naive to say the least and to not having enough funds in any budget to fix that.

It may have worked for Kevin Keegan 20 years ago but TBH it hasnt really worked for any other team since, the mentality of pushing up all the time is absolute suicide especially when you don't have the creative players to score goals freely (which we seemd to have far more early season which camouflaged performances.

I am in the Flynn out side 100% but only if the new man is identifed and is ready to come in and hit the ground running, which I totally doubt.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 10:58:19
Flynn is not without his flaws, but if Kiely won't give him a competitive squad it is hard to judge him.

We have one L2 level centre half (Brewitt) and no target men, ffs.

No league 2 squad in history would have been put together with one centre half and no target man!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:00:01
Is Flynn the managing the worst defence in our history? no.

Ooh I don't know. There's a discussion to be had!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:02:55
Does changing the set up deal with the plethora of poor individual decision making? They need coaching properly in their defensive duties. Their winning goal yesterday showed that up well. Players not marking properly isn’t a sign of being set up badly but a lack of awareness - it’s basic fucking stuff that hasn’t been addressed at all. Telling the CBs not to cross the half way line won’t stop the basic errors.

That’s why Flynn/Hatswell need to go - they haven’t addressed it and seem incapable of doing so.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:05:24
Does changing the set up deal with the plethora of poor individual decision making? They need coaching properly in their defensive duties. Their winning goal yesterday showed that up well. Players not marking properly isn’t a sign of being set up badly but a lack of awareness - it’s basic fucking stuff that hasn’t been addressed at all. Telling the CBs not to cross the half way line won’t stop the basic errors.

That’s why Flynn/Hatswell need to go - they haven’t addressed it and seem incapable of doing so.

I’m the camp of thinking both that Flynn/Hatswell can’t sort this out as well as thinking that these CB’s can’t be helped full stop. Need new personnel in there as well as coaches capable of organising them


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:07:17
surely this is now into made up rumour territory- the timing would be stupidity personified anyway.

not seen any of the local journos comment yet? So they are either in the dark or sitting on the press release!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:09:32
Ooh I don't know. There's a discussion to be had!
I know its horses for course etc and not in the same category as its Div 1 vs Div 4 but the Premier League defence probably shades it for me, if nothing more than goals conceded.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:11:39
But we’re conceding 2+ every game now against some rank bad teams.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:12:00
surely this is now into made up rumour territory- the timing would be stupidity personified anyway.

not seen any of the local journos comment yet? So they are either in the dark or sitting on the press release!

Same as Batch, not seen anywhere genuine


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:13:43
But we’re conceding 2+ every game now against some rank bad teams.
We are, all we need to be is average to beat most of these sides. How I wish we were average.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:20:19
Ooh I don't know. There's a discussion to be had!

I can’t think of a worse one over the past 30years


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:30:55
With regards to Flynn changing the way we play to make us more solid.

I thought when he changed the lineup for Mansfield, playing the extra midfield player & dropping Charlie to the bench that he had thought about it and made a change. However it appeared to be a tactic just for that game.

Was also interesting yesterday that the Crewe commentary team (apart from being a bit annoying) did make comment on how Swindon seemed happy to get men behind the ball and not try and dominate possession like they normally do. And for the most part they did limit the number of chances Crewe created, but at the detriment of any type of attacking flair.

As for changing manager now, I don't see there being any point as we will end up with another Morris type appointment where he doesn't have his own players & no option to bring them in. If we are going to do it then wait until the end of the season and give the new man a transfer window (albeit I don't think anyone believes any manager will get the right backing from Clem)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:34:33

Is Flynn the managing the worst defence in our history? no.


Statistically, after 28 games this one is our 3rd worst defence since the end of regionalisation.
62 in 1993-94 & 57 in 1964-65.
This may well end to be the worst one in a 46 game season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:36:22
Statistically, after 28 games this one is our 3rd worst defence since the end of regionalisation.
62 in 1993-94 & 57 in 1964-65.
This may well end to be the worst one in a 46 game season.
Absolutely. If we carry on conceding as we are then yes it could feasibly be the worst if nothing is done to remedy it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:37:41
They will probably appoint someone like Harry Kewell just to rub it in


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:37:57
They will probably appoint someone like Harry Kewell just to rub it in
Shudders.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:38:42
Absolutely. If we carry on conceding as we are then yes it could feasibly be the worst if nothing is done to remedy it.

We have needed an experienced centre back since MacDonald left 12 months ago, it seems like they’re not bothered about doing anything about it.
Experience costs money after all.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:39:23
Experience costs money after all.
This 100%.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:39:41
Thankfully Kewell had recently moved to coach on the other side of the world. I doubt coming to work for Zavier Austin and a plumber with no budget is enough to bring him
back within weeks.

I fear a Barton. His recent tirade’s have made him more toxic than ever.

As for the budget, I thought this was interesting on our salaries. No idea how credible the data is or how it is gathered. https://salarysport.com/football/league-two/swindon-town/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:43:01
Is Flynn the worst manager in our history? hell no.

Is Flynn the managing the worst defence in our history? no.

Is Flynn not playing to the players strengths? very much so.

Is Flynn turning a weak defence into a non exisistant defence by his refusal to change tactical direction and what seems to be masterminding the probably THE shittest defensive line we have ever had? for me yes.

I hate sacking managers but for me he lost my confidence after the Aldershot debacle, the worst result in our history for me and hes done nothing to react to that, our defence hasnt improved, he always relies on scoring more goals than we concede and without Young and Kemp that has gone out of the window.

I would only get rid of Flynn now if we had a replacement lined up all ready to come in and mastermind whatever is left of a budget and transfer window, preferably someone who can sort the defence out or get in players who will rectify the issues, in defence more players doe not equal a better defence.

For me we have looked better in the 2 or 3 occassions that we played with 4 defenders and not the 3/5 we play all the time as a preference but often when Flyann changes to a 4 the game is already lost. We dont have defensive minded defenders, simple, a basic necessity of a defender IMO.

If you look at the better clubs in L2 and L1 they have CB's who can defend and head balls who only go forwards for attacking set pieces and not going wandering upfield all the game leaving the defence exposed constantly.

Or if they have a defender that marauds up the pitch then they have a proper defensive minded midfielder sitting back with the defending CB to cover if(when) we lose possession. We don't have that type of player. Thats down to tactics of the manager which are naive to say the least and to not having enough funds in any budget to fix that.

It may have worked for Kevin Keegan 20 years ago but TBH it hasnt really worked for any other team since, the mentality of pushing up all the time is absolute suicide especially when you don't have the creative players to score goals freely (which we seemd to have far more early season which camouflaged performances.

I am in the Flynn out side 100% but only if the new man is identifed and is ready to come in and hit the ground running, which I totally doubt.

Great post as always.
Sadly have zero confidence with these Chancers running the Club and their intentions.
Are you confident they have a plan? They will continue bouncing from disaster to disaster.
Sadly we have no football people directing the Club and the cracks are widening.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:44:50
They will probably appoint someone like Harry Kewell just to rub it in

Kevin ‘Bloody’ Wilson aka a Ted Lasso ‘experiment’. A cheap version of Wretums ‘Taffywood’.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:46:42
Keily knows football doesn’t he? Or he should? I’ve just no idea what his motive is. Does he want full ownership? Is he a gloried agent skimming any transfer and agency fees? I just have zero idea what any of them want out of the club, aside from detracting from everyone else’s enjoyment of it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: AbraMoDabre on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:48:23
Statistically, after 28 games this one is our 3rd worst defence since the end of regionalisation.
62 in 1993-94 & 57 in 1964-65.
This may well end to be the worst one in a 46 game season.

Not to mention being the first league side in the history of the FA Cup to concede 7 goals to a non-league team  :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 11:58:59
Keily knows football doesn’t he? Or he should? I’ve just no idea what his motive is. Does he want full ownership? Is he a gloried agent skimming any transfer and agency fees? I just have zero idea what any of them want out of the club, aside from detracting from everyone else’s enjoyment of it.

I doubt the glory of winning anything is high on their list, so deduce from that what you will.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 12:10:40
Sandro told part of the story

“What we had to do is make sure we were recruiting a squad of players which would ensure the club is sustainable.

“What that means is, we have to own as many of our assets as possible and make sure they’re of the right age and quality, so they have re-sale value.

“That had happened in the past – there were too many instances in the past where the player was allowed to walk away, and the club missed out.”


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:02:42
Power done ok but we never really knew what the club were getting as fees were always undisclosed.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:08:23
I've made this analogy before but its like not showering for a month and wearing the same clothes and then changing your socks and hoping it makes a difference.

The club is rotten at the moment and until we have a proper clear out the next manager it just going to get sold the same pup as the rest of them. As others have alluded to, Clem is good with the charm offensive and I'm sure that lures managers in but not too long after they realise what a shower of shite things really are.

I actually pray no Caddis because I don't want him to come in and be handicapped. Other than that I honestly don't care who gets it as long as it isn't Graham Rix or someone.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:10:09
We thought we were having one of those when The Aussie Gold Hunter rocked up.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:10:27
Garner is still out of work😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: magicroundaboutred on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:11:00
If Flynn has gone, get Micheal Duff in.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:11:59
The speculation is getting a little boring…..who actually knows anything.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:12:39
Ooh I don't know. There's a discussion to be had!

It’s definitely our worst organised defence getting possibly the least amount of help from our midfield.
The players aren’t superstars, far from it but still think they’d be more capable under different tactics.

I’d probably say the same about our midfield as well. We’ve had worse individuals who weren’t as disorganised and poor collectively

I know its horses for course etc and not in the same category as its Div 1 vs Div 4 but the Premier League defence probably shades it for me, if nothing more than goals conceded.

For me, there is a difference between being bad and being out of your depth.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:15:06
It’s definitely our worst organised defence getting possibly the least amount of help from our midfield.
The players aren’t superstars, far from it but still think they be more capable under different tactics.

For me, there is a difference between being bad and being out of your depth.

Agree with the above, if the likes of Evan’s & Warnock were in charge they would have organised us better as they are masters with working with very little.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:22:46
The speculation is getting a little boring…..who actually knows anything.
https://youtu.be/hiThRIHwQDE


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:24:15
https://youtu.be/hiThRIHwQDE

Very appropriate!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:34:24
Mr Hawes take

https://twitter.com/talkinghawes/status/1746518931844583530?t=hN2B83GtA1vsgblqw75d-A&s=19

read the thread and replies, I found this interesting

"See point 1) - this rumour hasn't originated from fans."

if it's untrue Chinese whispers, it's come from within industry. mischief making from someone somewhere


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:38:20
Mr Hawes take

https://twitter.com/talkinghawes/status/1746518931844583530?t=hN2B83GtA1vsgblqw75d-A&s=19

read the thread and replies, I found this interesting

"See point 1) - this rumour hasn't originated from fans."

if it's untrue Chinese whispers, it's come from within industry. mischief making from someone somewhere

So no smoke without fire?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 14:16:40
more they remain rumours and it seems less likely to be true as it's not following normal patterns (i.e. should confirmed from other sources by now).

but nothing is impossible


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 14:39:54
On the Facebook group no idea if credible or not


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 14:46:56
had a message in the group chat saying Hatswells Dad has been telling people they're sacked also.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 14:50:20
So no smoke without fire?

I think the implication is that some parts of our club may be trying to force the hand of other parts of our club.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 14:52:11
Hand jobs all round at STFC


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:06:33
As bad as Flynns record is- pointless sacking him in some ways as the main cause of the problems the owners are still there


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:11:31
As bad as Flynns record is- pointless sacking him in some ways as the main cause of the problems the owners are still there

This.
Who honestly would like to be associated with that lot.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:11:52
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
had a message in the group chat saying Hatswells Dad has been telling people they're sacked also.

would they know directly, or would they have 'heard it from a friend'


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:14:14
Give it to Mad Gav.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:17:28
Give it to Mad Gav.

To be fair to DiV he’s been saying that all along.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:18:48
Quote from: Jimmy HaveHave
To be fair to DIV he’s been saying that all along.

But it's DV, so is that sarcasm meaning he doesn't want mad Gav


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:19:44
would they know directly, or would they have 'heard it from a friend'

Very much a rumour come from elsewhere.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:20:53
But it's DV, so is that sarcasm meaning he doesn't want mad Gav

 :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 15:27:26
Cheers Chalky


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:03:36
Who wouldn’t want Caddis

‘ Paul Caddis
@PaulCaddis41
The best RB to grace both League One and Two. Hero. Idol. Terrify wingers. Hater of Oxford United. Karl Robinson dreams of me in his sleep.’


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:10:26
But it's DV, so is that sarcasm meaning he doesn't want mad Gav

I’d definitely be intrigued to see how Gav (& Mildy) did over a longer stretch.

I wouldn’t give them the job but I’d certainly give them enough time to prove their case.

I think it’s a year ago today Mad Gav took the handbrake off Lindsey’s slow sideways team and thumped Grimsby 5-0 and even then it could have been 8.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:30:02
Who wouldn’t want Caddis

‘ Paul Caddis
@PaulCaddis41
The best RB to grace both League One and Two. Hero. Idol. Terrify wingers. Hater of Oxford United. Karl Robinson dreams of me in his sleep.’

Thats not a real account


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:41:53
Here’s another one then. Flynn gone but not Hatswell.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:48:14
The Swindonian media outlet who has been reliable in the past has stated Austin player manager.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:52:26
Could get behind that.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:53:13
The Swindonian media outlet who has been reliable in the past has stated Austin player manager.

Would absolutely hate that!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:53:59
Austin or Garner?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:55:15
Would absolutely hate that!
Same. Nothing he has previously said has given me any indication he'd be a decent coach or manager. Would go exactly the same way as Deeney in my eyes.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:57:25
Let’s be honest - it’s not looking like he has been sacked.

Nothing from any journo at all, that clown Ryan Whelan would be all over this if it was true.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:57:36
Would absolutely hate that!

Same haha. But who cares at this point.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 16:59:33
Let’s be honest - it’s not looking like he has been sacked.

Nothing from any journo at all, that clown Ryan Whelan would be all over this if it was true.

This


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 17:02:06
Let’s be honest - it’s not looking like he has been sacked.

Nothing from any journo at all, that clown Ryan Whelan would be all over this if it was true.
I'm sure his mates/associates at Lower League Look are acting like he has been sacked. But then again, it drives engagement for those toads so guess it's in their interests to take that angle.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BenTheRed on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 17:15:43
At a complete loss as to what the strategy is behind MF being sacked or not.

He should be sacked.

Also, the club is so rotten any other credible manager will be destroyed. I’d go with Mad Gav or CA.

It’s time for Kiely to come out the shadows and talk about what’s going on and what the way forward is. He needs to be on the hook for the football strategy.

CM can bugger off back to Aus. More convinced than ever he’s just a front man (although doesn’t explain why he was allowed to appoint his man as CEO)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 17:17:07
Clem will sell to Kiley won't he, if he sells?

The usual suspects will wonder what the problem with that is.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 17:32:43
Assuming Keily (Kiely!) doesn’t also want out.

We’re on the verge of selling our most saleable asset to a club in the same division for max £200k and likely much less. We paid a fee to Barrow for him, so we’ve (most likely) made minimal profit, if at all. Let’s
imagine that profit is distributed immediately to the owners (rather than the club). They each get maybe a small five figure fee. It is not worth the time and effort. If you are Peterborough, and actually speculate to accumulate, it is, but they haven’t the financial means to do that.

They can’t even get that part right…. if their motive is benefitting from transfer deals personally, they’re very bad at that. Offer 3 year contracts, and you might start to (as we did for Wakeling) and employing people that understand football.

With this regime at the helm, they either downsize us to a Conference side, or worse (because they haven’t the funds for more) or we liquidate. It’s a slow journey to one or the other. So why would any of them hang around for that?

Surely, they all want out, because they’re in over their heads?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 17:43:57
Kiely, it’s Kiely

…I’m surprised we haven’t bought anyone from Crystal Palace considering


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 18:01:09
With this regime at the helm, they either downsize us to a Conference side, or worse (because they haven’t the funds for more) or we liquidate. It’s a slow journey to one or the other. So why would any of them hang around for that?

Surely, they all want out, because they’re in over their heads?

League 2 Clubs currently get £1.1m a year from the EPL for solidarity payments.

The new deal (that EPL clubs are currently squabbling over/not signed off) gives L2 Clubs £2.5m a year, plus an additional £400k for this season.

The plan could be to finish 22nd and cash in on the extra £1.8 million that could hit the account in June/July.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 19:02:05
League 2 Clubs currently get £1.1m a year from the EPL for solidarity payments.

The new deal (that EPL clubs are currently squabbling over/not signed off) gives L2 Clubs £2.5m a year, plus an additional £400k for this season.

The plan could be to finish 22nd and cash in on the extra £1.8 million that could hit the account in June/July.

Do we get all the EPL solidarity payment in one go or is it spread out in 3? payments like the EPL does to EPL clubs?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 19:21:36
Do we get all the EPL solidarity payment in one go or is it spread out in 3? payments like the EPL does to EPL clubs?
Probably the same. Which would make it is year's unpaid £400k plus £833k = £1.2n this June time


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 20:34:19
League 2 Clubs currently get £1.1m a year from the EPL for solidarity payments.

The new deal (that EPL clubs are currently squabbling over/not signed off) gives L2 Clubs £2.5m a year, plus an additional £400k for this season.

The plan could be to finish 22nd and cash in on the extra £1.8 million that could hit the account in June/July.

interesting numbers but would surely be in their forecasts. could possibly be the first well executed plan of the morfini era


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 21:17:27
But if all the other League 2 club get the same solidarity payment increases those clubs will just spend it on wages so, unless Clem and Co are prepared to put together a competitive budget, we will be in the same position.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: aroundthefur on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 21:57:29
Yes, it makes no difference to our capacity to offer a “competitive budget”, as every club will have the same increase.

But it does give them a sum of money to siphon off elsewhere.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 22:02:55
Yes, it makes no difference to our capacity to offer a “competitive budget”, as every club will have the same increase.

But it does give them a sum of money to siphon off elsewhere.

👍


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 22:49:12
Give it to Mad Gav.
Isn't he our"defensive" coach?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 22:52:04
Isn't he our"defensive" coach?

He's currently 'loan manager I think' our defensive coach, if it is Hatswell, had the mantra, if in doubt, belt it into your own net. Whoever is doing defensive work in training, they ain't very good at it.


Title: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 22:59:01
If you see a player stood unmarked, mark him.

no no, I meant an opposition player... fucking hell


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Anonymous77 on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 23:09:29
Danny Rose now a coach in the academy - not suggesting him for the first team role by the way…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:09:00
Yeah Danny Rose was at the last home game in stfc gear.

Get ready.
An interesting day ahead.
Very interesting.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:10:54
Surely they wouldnt go for him to be manager

Just had a stint as caretaker at Darlington


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:11:30
Surely they wouldnt go for him to be manager

Just had a stint as caretaker at Darlington

Nah Danny Rose just in the academy, i was referring to something else.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:18:27
Get ready.
An interesting day ahead.
Very interesting.

Steve "interesting" Davis interesting?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:23:51
wasn't there a huge gap between Garner going and it being announced? I guess there's form, if MF has been goned  (or details being worked through - maybe the million-year contract extension complicates things) before an announcement.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:24:32
wasn't there a huge gap between Garner going and it being announced? I guess there's form, if MF has been goned  (or details being worked through - maybe the million-year contract extension complicates things) before an announcement.

That was generally blamed on Charlton trying to drop the compensation right before the announcement I think.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:26:17
Twitter rumours swirling around about Michael Duff.
Should have signed him in 2003.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:27:10
Twitter rumours swirling around about Michael Duff.
Should have signed him in 2003.

CM 01/02 legend. I wonder if Jamie Victory is around to assist him, those two used to solve any lower league teams full back positions.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:31:46
CM 01/02 legend. I wonder if Jamie Victory is around to assist him, those two used to solve any lower league teams full back positions.

Was decent defender in reality too.
2003/04 we had a poor defence and he’d just been relegated with Cheltenham. Where he stayed. A year later he went to Burnley for 30k !!!
Could we have got him a year earlier?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:33:24
Wikipedia suggests Victory works in the radiography department at Gloucestershire Royal Hospital.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:36:26
It the lack of a nod and a wink to the press from someone "close to the source" that has me a doubting batch.

That the club could take ages to confirm there is no doubt.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:46:20
So nobody can tell for sure if Flynn is still the manager or not.
Surely there is training today  ?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:47:03
Day off today.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Walthams on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:10:44
So nobody can tell for sure if Flynn is still the manager or not.
Surely there is training today  ?
If he had been sacked, surely it would have been announced straight away, there is no point in holding back the announcement.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:11:48
Sounds like he has gone though from a few people so i think we should hear by today


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:13:56
Sounds like he has gone though from a few people so i think we should hear by today

Ah, weird timing.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:23:15
I did like Flynn and he initially showed us what exciting football could be played. If only he had a CB we would have been OK. He could have mixed and matched other positions and Town would still be in a play off position.
Trouble was he didn't   


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:26:27
If he had been sacked, surely it would have been announced straight away, there is no point in holding back the announcement.

Probably sorting legalities out before announcment if true


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:28:20
My frustration with Flynn is that he failed deliver what i think most of us expected prior to his arrival. There was some sense of appointing a practical league 2 manager, who knew what the division was about and understood the importance of physicality and experience. Yet he failed to recruit along this lines at all, and failed to set a team up understanding what needed to be done.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:29:18
Ah, weird timing.

Stupid timing if true - second January transfer window in a row. Don't you change managers before a transfer window?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:32:06
Gives the club the excuse if they don't strenghen properly doesn't it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:34:20
Gives the club the excuse if they don't strenghen properly doesn't it.

Not sure it does. Flynns appointment was the perfect timing for recruitment over the summer and that didnt go that well.

Also depends how much you believe Flynn has to do with the recruitment.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 15, 2024, 10:46:03
Sacking your manager exactly halfway through January is peak Swindon isn't it, and really continues to show up the frankly shambolic way the club is being run, by people who haven't got a clue what they are doing. Since Garner and Chorley left, there has been absolutely nothing to suggest any thought has been made towards putting a cohesive plan together.

Scott Lindsey - cheap and pretty unpopular. The tide was turning before he left to go to Crawley. (where he is doing a good job to be fair to him) We got compo for him if nothing else.

Jody Morris - these type of appointments have gleaned gold for Swindon in the past. A very decent career at the top of the English game and seemingly a good upbringing in coaching at Chelsea. The whole Morris/Sandro/Brand experiment never worked either and that was ripped up.

Michael Flynn - Spoke a good game on the CG pitch, in fact made a good start with what looked an exciting, dynamic team and we very much looked like we'd be featuring towards the top end of the table. Alas he was given a new deal by the powers that be, and that was pretty much game over. Injuries and a feebly built squad of players that were shaped around 2 loan players that we developed tremendously for Bradford and Franchise and relied too much from our Academy. Form dipped, Flynn got antsy with the press and seemed to turn into John Sheridan as time passed.

Whoever comes in next, I don't envy them. We need more football people in the club, that have a proper plan in place. Changing the manager only is not going to be enough, whoever it is.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: welshred on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:00:26
Assuming he's gone, I don't see this job as a very attractive prospect for many managers. We have a paper thin squad and a board unwilling to back the manager in the transfer market.

People talking about Michael Duff are crazy - he's not long left Swansea and this would be a huge drop in standard compared to that.

It will be an out of work manager or an internal appointment.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:04:46
Austin until the end of the season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:08:09
Austin until the end of the season.

I wonder if Ben Gladwin might be brought in as part of the coaching staff - he's been seen pictured with Clem and I wonder if he sees STFC as his start in coaching and then into management?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:12:01
Austin until the end of the season.

that will go well


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:13:38
If true quite possibly one of the most stupid ideas i have ever seen


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:16:38
If true quite possibly one of the most stupid ideas i have ever seen

Lee Power, Caretaker Manager?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:17:02
Austin jeez. Well if Austin can’t get the best out of Austin then I suppose there will be know one left to blame.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:18:23
If true quite possibly one of the most stupid ideas i have ever seen

This is Swindon so nothing should surprise us...…Austin & Gunning you would assume if true.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:19:35
Just when you thought the were no costs left that they had not already cut… who needs a manager anyway!? Or a reserve keeper for that matter! Trim that fat.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:21:19
Lee Power, Caretaker Manager?

True

Knowing this lot they will probably appoint Anthony Hall as caretaker manager because he managed a 5 a side team


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:23:00
True

Knowing this lot they will probably appoint Anthony Hall as caretaker manager because he managed a 5 a side team

And play Clem as our midfield playmaker, after all he plays 5-a-side you know


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:23:52
True

Knowing this lot they will probably appoint Anthony Hall as caretaker manager because he managed a 5 a side team
Well, he needs to be doing something on match day to justify getting a free seat!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:28:26
Well, he needs to be doing something on match day to justify getting a free seat!

:D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:28:45
Austin until the end of the season.
Charlie or Zav?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:29:00
And play Clem as our midfield playmaker, after all he plays 5-a-side you know

Was going to suggest him as he plays at foundation park (the clubs training ground)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:33:27
Much rather Austin/Gladwin!?/Mad Gav, or at least it might as well be. With the squad so thin and a failed transfer policy, I can't see anyone doing a better job. Get those guys in on a temporary basis, sell the club and then crack on


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:44:08
It'll be another tick in the box for me to suggest that once the court case is done, they're selling. Zero investment happening here. 


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:48:29
It'll be another tick in the box for me to suggest that once the court case is done, they're selling. Zero investment happening here. 
Power v Standing? Why will the wait until the court case is done before selling?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:54:51
He definetly has not taken training today


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 15, 2024, 11:59:39
He definetly has not taken training today

Are they training though?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:00:37
Flynn gone


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:00:49
Confirmed.

Gunning as caretaker.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:00:53
Wait so Gunning is in charge until the end of the season? Christ


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:00:56
Statement reads like its Gunnings for the season, a new low.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:00:58
Gavin in until the end of the season then.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:02:07
Yeah Danny Rose was at the last home game in stfc gear.

Get ready.
An interesting day ahead.
Very interesting.

G
A
V

i did tell you


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:02:32
Oooh Cryptic.

This Club is FUBAR




Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:03:55
"A positive, successful environment "  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:04:05
FFS - I assume Flynn wanted to sign some experienced pros  and Morfuni said no, so they amicably agreed to part ways. I assume Gav will just be happy to have a job so that won't be a problem for Morfuni now.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bennett on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:04:22
Statement reads like its Gunnings for the season, a new low.
The season is a wash.
There's no funds to hire someone doing well and we're not as attractive a prospect as we may hope we'd be.
It will be interesting to see whether we sign any experience or we just let this season drift along until we're shitting ourselves last game of the season


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bennett on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:05:12
"A positive, successful environment "  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Tbf they're building it...so I'm sure that's part of the five year plan!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:06:15
Its hard not to read into the statement as Flynn accepted he can't do whats required here with what he has been given.

I also hate that Gunning has been given it to the end of the season. No talk of trying to find a new manager now, or the process to recruit starts now.

Fuck this club


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Sippo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:07:22
A new contract, then a pay off. Wow.

I would hope we have someone lined up. I reckon Robbie Fowler. Australian connections. Tim Cahill?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:07:57
Statement reads like its Gunnings for the season, a new low.

Currently we average 2.33 points per game under Gav & a 66% win record


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:08:24
The only positive you can take out of giving the loan manager the job until the end of the season is there must be some sort of sale on the horizon.

*clutches every possibly straw available*


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:08:51
The statement from Clem doesn't actually say (from Clem's perspective) why Flynn has gone. It also doesn't say what will constitute a successful end to the season (from Clem's perspective)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:09:51
Currently we average 2.33 points per game under Gav & a 66% win record

That can only go one way then


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:10:01
 New manager bounce


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:10:05
It's not the wrong decision, but fucking hell is it stupid timing.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:10:10
Gav until the end of the season then. Surely Clem has to be selling, clean slate for a new owner to bring in their own man? Or am I just too hopeful.

Good luck to Gav, he'll need it for the rest of the season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MichaelPook on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:10:31
Absolute joke and shambles of a club - MORFUNI OUT!!!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:10:51
Its two employees gone, that we are not going to replace and just use what we have in house until the end of the season. Complete cost cutting on every level, which plays into the trying to sell the club angle.

Gunning has been judged by multiple managers Morris/Flynn as not good enough to warrant a place in their coaching teams, but again gets given the manager job. Absolutely mad on all levels.

At least its not Austin, that is about all i can say.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:11:23
Gunning should definitely improve the defence, based on the games we've seen him manage before now :D

No talk of a process to replace Flynn. Clem's selling, surely.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:11:51
It's not the wrong decision, but fucking hell is it stupid timing.
This, 100% this.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:13:37
Gunning should definitely improve the defence, based on the games we've seen him manage before now :D

No talk of a process to replace Flynn. Clem's selling, surely.

Why would Clem pay Flynn off for a new owner?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:14:10
At least we have a club.......

^ we'll still have people saying this  :crash:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:16:24
We can say it’s stupid timing but is it really?

I can see the point that it’s mid window but our entire recruitment post Chorley has been exactly the same, our tactics have been exactly the same, the type of players we sign has been exactly the same.

In that time we’ve had three managers and Sandro as well.

I think the continuation of our recruitment across those different managers just goes to show none of Sandro/Lindsey/Morris/Flynn were making the decisions.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:17:18
They even interviewed Gav for the job before and decided against it, yet now he fits until the end of the season!!!

Actually mad. Outside of calling him interim, they have not even mentioned the search for a new manager starts now.

Shockingly bad statement.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:18:55
They’ll announce a new exciting manager just around ST renewal time & then not back him


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:20:02
I feel for Flynn.
A good appointment, but little or no backing from the owner.
Handing out the contract extension should have meant being given the time to fully build his own squad now and in the summer.
But, at the end of the day it's a results business.

Zero evidence of any coherent strategy or planning from the club or presence of a brain cell in the boardroom.

It's massively irritating & frustrating in the extreme. Madness. (Or Mad Gavness now).


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Processed Beats on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:21:56
Hallelujah.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:22:17
They’ll announce a new exciting manager just around ST renewal time & then not back him
Such a fucking conniving almost deceitful thing for you to say about the club and how its run, and I agree fully. :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:23:08
Power v Standing? Why will the wait until the court case is done before selling?

Didn’t Clem ‘suggest’ or ‘say’ that if Standing wins then he ‘Clem’ owes him ‘Standing’ something like £4m and will pay him accordingly? I may have misinterpreted what I thought I’d read or heard.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:24:05
We truly are a basket case at the moment!

Never known a Manager go without getting stick from fans....Sheridan was an exception.

Who the fuck is going to come here now?

Can we get any worse on the pitch?

If he had lost the changing room, will we see a huge improvement on Saturday?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:26:08
What gets me more than anything with Flynn - is he’s had two managers job previous to Swindon.
He had relative success in the first one playing pragmatic agricultural football & did a poor job trying to play football in the second one.

Why did he then come here and try & repeat the second one & not the first.

Almost like he’s given up on a career and just wants to go into a club & get sacked for the pay off.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lemis on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:27:39
Wasn't it stated last season after Linsey went that Gav wasn't able to stay as interim until the end of the season due to not having relevant qualifications?

Is that still the case or has he bagged the qualifications since?

We can only hope that lightning strikes thrice with Gav, and that it's able to last until the season end.

Regardless I'm not sure it makes the club look an attractive prospect to any incoming players


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:28:19
The best i can say to that is he had to play to the players he had maybe.

Though why he didnt recruit to change styles is beyond me. Budget?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:29:49
But this is all so bad.

I know most fans would happily let most of the players leave, but why does anyone you want to keep sign a contract extension under interim manager Gunning? They dont.

Can't help but read Flynns comments in the official story with a certain emphasis

Following the decision, Michael added: “I want to thank the owner for the opportunity to manage this great Football Club and wish everyone associated, ESPECIALLY the fans the very best for the future."

Seems like we will need it!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:30:03
The best i can say to that is he had to play to the players he had maybe.

Though why he didnt recruit to change styles is beyond me. Budget?

We’ve recruited exactly the same though Lindsey, Sandro, Morris & Flynn: to me indicates they aren’t making the decisions.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:30:36
They've changed the statement - 2nd draft doesn't mention Gunning staying until the end of the season. What a shambles


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:31:29
But this is all so bad.

I know most fans would happily let most of the players leave, but why does anyone you want to keep sign a contract extension under interim manager Gunning? They dont.

Can't help but read Flynns comments in the official story with a certain emphasis

Following the decision, Michael added: “I want to thank the owner for the opportunity to manage this great Football Club and wish everyone associated, ESPECIALLY the fans the very best for the future."

Seems like we will need it!
Think you are reading a bit too much into it. He knew the score and unfortunately he has probably thought he could work miracles and can't


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:31:32
We should just get enough points not to get relegated this season

Middle of January - we are in desperate need of new players - I know lets sack the manager and his assistant that will save having to pay any new players this season

What decent manager would want to come here after what has happened with the previous managers under Clem ?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:34:58
They've changed the statement - 2nd draft doesn't mention Gunning staying until the end of the season. What a shambles

Yes it does:

“I have confidence that Gavin can deliver a successful campaign for the remainder of the 2023/24 season and this starts with Saturday's game against Tranmere.

“We hope our supporters will continue to back the first team and the new coaching staff we have in place, as we look to build a positive, successful environment across STFC."



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:35:04
They've changed the statement - 2nd draft doesn't mention Gunning staying until the end of the season. What a shambles


Have they? I don't see that.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:36:28
He needed to go but what kind of club does it mid window straight after letting him bring in 3 players and then put a man who nickname is “mad Gav” in to try and keep us up. It’s just sheer incompetence, the club is absolutely fucked.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:41:58
Many managers currently out of work would absolutely love to come here I'd have thought


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:43:02
Can't even get the announcement right, 2 statements were released. The adver chap has said this about both:-

''I can clear this up. There were two drafts of the press release and the first one that was sent out included a reference to that ( before it was removed in the second. Evidently, Sky has once again messed up Swindon's announcements.''

''Reading the press release again, it also does not explicitly reference the search for a successor. But who would you all want as the next manager/ head coach?''


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:43:28
Many managers currently out of work would absolutely love to come here I'd have thought

I guess so - for a 6 month job and a payoff at the end.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:44:24
Can't even get the announcement right, 2 statements were released. The adver chap has said this about both:-

''I can clear this up. There were two drafts of the press release and the first one that was sent out included a reference to that ( before it was removed in the second. Evidently, Sky has once again messed up Swindon's announcements.''

''Reading the press release again, it also does not explicitly reference the search for a successor. But who would you all want as the next manager/ head coach?''

The first was on the official website - I read it - can't blame sky for that. Shambles


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: adje on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:44:50
He needed to go but what kind of club does it mid window straight after letting him bring in 3 players and then put a man who nickname is “mad Gav” in to try and keep us up. It’s just sheer incompetence, the club is absolutely fucked.
You may be right but it would be even more ridiculous to sack him at the end of the window.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:45:22
He needed to go but what kind of club does it mid window straight after letting him bring in 3 players and then put a man who nickname is “mad Gav” in to try and keep us up. It’s just sheer incompetence, the club is absolutely fucked.

Flynn didn't bring in 3 players last week.

Chris Kiely did.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:47:57
Flynn didn't bring in 3 players last week.

Chris Kiely did.
Well yes there’s all that but as optics it’s just shambolic. This lot make Power look like a competent and progressive owner.

This will be the perfect excuse to postpone the fans forum now.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:48:38
Has Hatswell gone too. Who are the new coaching staff


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: UTR on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:50:43
Has Hatswell gone too. Who are the new coaching staff

Probably looks like Gunning, Mildenhall, Gladwin popping in on his days off, the volunteer who takes the lunches up the training ground and a couple of the stfc in the community guys


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:51:34
I'm still waiting for Anthony Hall to be sacked


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:51:41

This will be the perfect excuse to postpone the fans forum now.

More than likely....


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:52:26
Has Hatswell gone too. Who are the new coaching staff

Clem.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Processed Beats on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:53:58
I doubt Flynn signs the players. Few clubs operate like that these days. Most have a DoF-type role who does all of that stuff. Fairly certain we've had that model for years now.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:56:07
I doubt Flynn signs the players. Few clubs operate like that these days. Most have a DoF-type role who does all of that stuff. Fairly certain we've had that model for years now.

We did. We probably still do. However it was explicitly said the model was different this season and Flynn was in charge of recruitment, with Russell and others assisting. How true that is, who knows.

But our DoF has no qualifications for such a role anyway!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:56:53
I doubt Flynn signs the players. Few clubs operate like that these days. Most have a DoF-type role who does all of that stuff. Fairly certain we've had that model for years now.
That’s another massive issue though isn’t it. There’s obviously the Kiely/Standing angle but our DoF is Jamie Russell whose experience is academy coaching, another square peg in a round hole at the club.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: welshred on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:57:38
That’s another massive issue though isn’t it. There’s obviously the Kiely/Standing angle but our DoF is Jamie Russell whose experience is academy coaching, another square cheap peg in a round hole at the club.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 12:59:37
We can say it’s stupid timing but is it really?

Yes, yes it is. Massively.

HTH.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:00:20
Yes, yes it is. Massively.

HTH.

Why?

Forget the window.
Flynn doesn’t find & sign the players.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:01:03
Why would Clem pay Flynn off for a new owner?

Perhaps amicable discussions were 'Mike, would you like triple your pay off but the club only has to pay you in 9 months time'?

Who knows with this lot!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:02:28
That’s another massive issue though isn’t it. There’s obviously the Kiely/Standing angle but our DoF is Jamie Russell whose experience is academy coaching, another square peg in a round hole at the club.

Dan Ashworrh went from academy management to the best DoF in the country. It's not necessarily an issue.

But, Russell is there because Kiely wants/needs a puppet.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:07:23
Why?

Forget the window.
Flynn doesn’t find & sign the players.

I mean that's a fair point.

I've suspected for a while that players and style of play are dictated from above. It was pointed out 3 at the back has been Flynn's MO at previous clubs so could be wrong.

If this really is Kiely doing recruitment then we are all we will ever be. Pray for a sale outside the brown circle.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:10:10
Dan Ashworrh went from academy management to the best DoF in the country. It's not necessarily an issue.

But, Russell is there because Kiely wants/needs a puppet.
But that’s an exception, he has loads of different roles before actually becoming a DoF/Sporting Director.

DoF is a really important role in lower leagues especially in terms of continuity. Russell doesn’t seem to tick any boxes, just like most other people involved with running the club to be honest.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:11:37
I mean that's a fair point.

I've suspected for a while that players and style of play are dictated from above. It was pointed out 3 at the back has been Flynn's MO at previous clubs so could be wrong.

If this really is Kiely doing recruitment then we are all we will ever be. Pray for a sale outside the brown circle.

Isn't Kiely the one who is was said we are using his data system ? so what role does he actually play, does he provide the stats, or just the computer programme that the fitness data upload's into ?

Do we still have a chief scout or was he binned off to save money, and we just use WyScout for and word of mouth for player recruitment ?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:13:09
I mean that's a fair point.

I've suspected for a while that players and style of play are dictated from above. It was pointed out 3 at the back has been Flynn's MO at previous clubs so could be wrong.

If this really is Kiely doing recruitment then we are all we will ever be. Pray for a sale outside the brown circle.

I don’t imagine for one second Lindsey, Sandro, Morris & Flynn all wanted to play exactly the same style, formation and sign exactly the same type of players.

Therefore, I assume recruitment is being done by someone else - so the fact we’ve sacked Flynn half way through a window doesn’t really make any difference from sacking him in November or March.

A lot of assumptions on my part admittedly.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:22:37
Isn't Kiely the one who is was said we are using his data system ? so what role does he actually play, does he provide the stats, or just the computer programme that the fitness data upload's into ?

Do we still have a chief scout or was he binned off to save money, and we just use WyScout for and word of mouth for player recruitment ?

It's not changed since Chorley left.

It's Kielys system and Kielys decisions*

*Odd exception e.g. Austin, Kinsella

Sandro and Russell have just been his front men.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:24:43
But that’s an exception, he has loads of different roles before actually becoming a DoF/Sporting Director.

DoF is a really important role in lower leagues especially in terms of continuity. Russell doesn’t seem to tick any boxes, just like most other people involved with running the club to be honest.
It's only important if you actually use one. Surely by now it is obvious to everyone that the players being bought in are not from the manager or a DOF we are basically ringing around begging for cheap players.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:29:23
Steve "interesting" Davis interesting?

The Rangers and Northern Ireland player or the snooker player? Couldn't get more bizarre than us appointing a snooker player as manager  :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:30:05
CM 01/02 legend. I wonder if Jamie Victory is around to assist him, those two used to solve any lower league teams full back positions.

Taribo West and Cherno Samba joint managers.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:32:42
Therefore, I assume recruitment is being done by someone else - so the fact we’ve sacked Flynn half way through a window doesn’t really make any difference from sacking him in November or March.

Assumptions or not, I do have one counter.

Do it now and you can claim
  1. Recruitment of further players dissrupted by upheaval
  2. It'll be a clean start in the summer (or not needed if gunning does well)

ST sales and pressure relief from fan unrest. Think they got it wrong if so.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Family at War on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:35:04
We need Kenny Jackett


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:35:40
A new contract, then a pay off. Wow.

I would hope we have someone lined up. I reckon Robbie Fowler. Australian connections. Tim Cahill?

Nice pay out to Standings agency no doubt.

Almost as if it was on purpose.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:37:52
They’ll announce a new exciting manager just around ST renewal time & then not back him

Or for full comedic effect, back him for a good First XI and then cut his budget causing us to slide down the table again  :suicide:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:40:19
But this is all so bad.

I know most fans would happily let most of the players leave, but why does anyone you want to keep sign a contract extension under interim manager Gunning? They dont.

Can't help but read Flynns comments in the official story with a certain emphasis

Following the decision, Michael added: “I want to thank the owner for the opportunity to manage this great Football Club and wish everyone associated, ESPECIALLY the fans the very best for the future."

Seems like we will need it!

Translation: "the club is fucked and you don't deserve it. good luck, you're gonna need it"


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:42:19
Or for full comedic effect, back him for a good First XI and then cut his budget causing us to slide down the table again  :suicide:

No what happens is they appoint a new manager they say he has a competitive budget, he thinks he has a competing budget, even some fans believe we have a competitive budget - then they’ll sack him again come the Jan transfer window.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:44:13
Translation: "the club is fucked and you don't deserve it. good luck, you're gonna need it"

That is how i read it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:45:10
Be interesting to know what the guys at "league 2 606" on twitter think they know.

They are keeping their cards close (the Bradford fan), maybe they *know* nothing, but when they say they can't say anything but that "the football is the best thing about Swindon at the moment" - you better hope they know nothing!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:51:27
What are the chances they are going to cancel the fans forum on the 30th


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 13:53:15
What are the chances they are going to cancel the fans forum on the 30th

Or letting it go ahead without Clem, but with Hall, Russell and the poor sod from the women's team taking flak from all comers...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:14:03
Be interesting to know what the guys at "league 2 606" on twitter think they know.

They are keeping their cards close (the Bradford fan), maybe they *know* nothing, but when they say they can't say anything but that "the football is the best thing about Swindon at the moment" - you better hope they know nothing!

The seemed to insinuate they knew something but could not say anything, they have got a few things correct previously, but it is odd they are not willing to report what they know, or perhaps they cant clarify their source is correct so better to keep quiet.

If only we had a Trust that was willing to be vocal with everything going on and do their homework on everything instead of waiting to be told by Clem in their monthly meeting and then being told not to tell anyone.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:16:59
If only we had a Trust that was willing to be vocal with everything going on and do their homework on everything instead of waiting to be told by Clem in their monthly meeting and then being told not to tell anyone.

So I know we have pages and pages on the Trust elsewhere and this risks more of them, but what do you actually want/think the trust could reasonably do here? Some sort of statement to express their concern? Like, I totally get the "too close to Clem" thing - although I would reiterate that all those board members you're thinking of are resigning, but I don't really see how they have any power to do anything here. Do other club's Trusts go digging for journalistic info?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:24:00
Should we be asking about the nature of Gunnings relationship with STFC?

Brought in as a coach under Lindsey, we were told by Lindsey. Yet he didn't move on to Crawley with him? The only other person that didn't was Mildenhall, but Mildenhall was here pre Lindsey.

Still here under Morris as some sort of coach, but not good enough to be number two, remember the Brand debacle.

Morris leaves, we bring in another new manager in Flynn, who also doesn't want him.

So this guy brought in by Lindsey, is still at the club and has done all sorts of weird roles that never existed before (loan development manager/ going to Aus for academy), and is now parachuted back in as temporary manager.

Do we keep him around as a permanent temp manager when we sack them every 6 months? How does a club so tight on budget afford to keep him around in all these strange/obscure positions?

Based on absolutely nothing i would suggest there is something more to it.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:26:46
Should we be asking about the nature of Gunnings relationship with STFC?

Brought in as a coach under Lindsey, we were told by Lindsey. Yet he didn't move on to Crawley with him? The only other person that didn't was Mildenhall, but Mildenhall was here pre Lindsey.

Still here under Morris as some sort of coach, but not good enough to be number two, remember the Brand debacle.

Morris leaves, we bring in another new manager in Flynn, who also doesn't want him.

So this guy brought in by Lindsey, is still at the club and has done all sorts of weird roles that never existed before (loan development manager/ going to Aus for academy), and is now parachuted back in as temporary manager.

Do we keep him around as a permanent temp manager when we sack them every 6 months? How does a club so tight on budget afford to keep him around in all these strange/obscure positions?

Based on absolutely nothing i would suggest there is something more to it.



From what I recall I thought it was Sandro that brought in Gunning and we was told he was a decent coach


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:29:31
From what I recall I thought it was Sandro that brought in Gunning and we was told he was a decent coach

Maybe, that would worry me even more. If Sandro appointed him, that means it was really Kiely right? So makes sense why he is sticking around.

However. https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20590240.gavin-gunning-joins-scott-lindseys-coaching-team-swindon-town/



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:37:03
Just because a manager goes to a new club doesn’t always mean he takes all his backroom staff with him / all his backroom staff want to go with him.

Heaven forbid Gunning doesn’t mind it here & is happy with his job.
Could be as simple as his family are settled here?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:38:18
Just because a manager goes to a new club doesn’t always mean he takes all his backroom staff with him / all his backroom staff want to go with him.

Heaven forbid Gunning doesn’t mind it here & is happy with his job.
Could be as simple as his family are settled here?

Nice theory but a little boring, can you spice it up a bit?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:40:43
Nice theory but a little boring, can you spice it up a bit?

Ok, the 18 year old intern secretary is carrying his secret love child. So he has to stay the club or she will destroy his family, better?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:41:43
Of course last January Angus MacDonald was sniffing around her - so Gav started the rumours about Angus to get him sold.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:42:36
…but she’s actually a lesbian madly in love with the striker from the women’s team & they are going to run off and raise the baby as their own away from Gav anyway


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:43:56
 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Swindenders.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:52:57
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Swindenders.

Certainly got the duff duffs


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:02:58
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Swindenders.

Townenders?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:04:30
More like Jackanory


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:08:47
Townenders?

To quote the late great Babs Windsor - Get Outta My Club!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Boeta on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:11:11
From what I recall I thought it was Sandro that brought in Gunning and we was told he was a decent coach

Sandro didn't bring anyone into STFC.

So, Gunning either knows Chris Kiely or he's on Michael Standing's books.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:16:13

So, Gunning either knows Chris Kiely or he's on Michael Standing's books.

They are also possibly one and the same


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:21:42
Townenders?

Yeah that probably works better to be fair.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:23:52
On a point of order, is this not now New Manager thread part 6837495?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:25:29
Sandro didn't bring anyone into STFC.

So, Gunning either knows Chris Kiely or he's on Michael Standing's books.
This


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:25:31
So can anyone confirm whether Gunning is on Standings books
Maybe we’ve been keeping him here till he was fully qualified


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:29:27
So can anyone confirm whether Gunning is on Standings books
Maybe we’ve been keeping him here till he was fully qualified

Nobody can 'confirm' anything. However no way a bloke with no real job survives around a club that is broke and is cost cutting everywhere. It just doesn't add up.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:31:37
Nobody can 'confirm' anything. However no way a bloke with no real job survives around a club that is broke and is cost cutting everywhere. It just doesn't add up.

I’m sure someone can find out who Gav’s agent is…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:39:24
Nobody can 'confirm' anything. However no way a bloke with no real job survives around a club that is broke and is cost cutting everywhere. It just doesn't add up.

It could be that they felt they owed him a debt of gratitude, though they have been fairly ruthless elsewhere.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:44:25
I’m sure someone can find out who Gav’s agent is…
The mighty Kang, or used to be


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:47:34
LSPod is up already by the way. They might be the fastest comms outfit linked to this football club...

Some excellent statement reading addenda within the first minute of it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:51:59
LSPod is up already by the way. They might be the fastest comms outfit linked to this football club...

Some excellent statement reading addenda within the first minute of it.

Yeah was a decent listen at this point. They were prepped after the rumours at the weekend.

They have similar Gunning questions as i have been posing here.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 16:04:05
Not ITK by any means but heard that Flynn chose to walk. If right, make of that rumour what you will. 🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 15, 2024, 16:04:40
It could be that they felt they owed him a debt of gratitude, though they have been fairly ruthless elsewhere.

Or is he on a longish contract and not a high earner so decided to keep him around (2 year perhaps) - was useful to name drop him in and send to Aussie for Clem's academy


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 16:18:50
Not ITK by any means but heard that Flynn chose to walk. If right, make of that rumour what you will. 🤔

Well I assume the penny had dropped that he wasn't going to be able to sign the experienced spine that had been promised and player were going to be sold. I assume Lindsey chose to move to Crawley in Jan for similar reason.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, January 15, 2024, 16:20:43
Missed all the fun :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, January 15, 2024, 16:25:43
Not ITK by any means but heard that Flynn chose to walk. If right, make of that rumour what you will. 🤔

Maybe he said “if you sell Hutton then I will quit” & Clem said “Bye”

Maybe wasn’t that far from the truth then


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Arch Stanton on Monday, January 15, 2024, 17:09:43
It really didn't enter into my head that Flynn would walk. I just couldn't imagine him turning his back on a 3 year deal - and now, with his stock at an all time low, where does he go from here?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 15, 2024, 17:28:43
Knorr?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Arch Stanton on Monday, January 15, 2024, 17:31:20
 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, January 15, 2024, 18:07:00
Knorr?

Oxoford?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 18:15:37
It really didn't enter into my head that Flynn would walk. I just couldn't imagine him turning his back on a 3 year deal - and now, with his stock at an all time low, where does he go from here?

Do they get the full contract tho? Seen it said that within the EFL a settlement period would be included with the contract. Ie 6 months, this would make sense as Morris/Brand was on the payroll until November, approx 6 months after they were sacked.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 15, 2024, 18:19:14
If he walked he’ll get nowt


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, January 15, 2024, 18:26:55
If he walked he’ll get nowt


It doesn’t work like that.
John McGreal walked and we still had to pay him off a certain amount.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, January 15, 2024, 18:48:41


It doesn’t work like that.
John McGreal walked and we still had to pay him off a certain amount.

Unless by mutual consent? Or with an agreed package?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 15, 2024, 18:49:53
That was because he was given a dodgy contract. No way Flynn has walked.

Not one thing has changed from the August window to this one apart from the players he works with have got worse. He worked under the same conditions then as now


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, January 15, 2024, 18:52:12
It will all depend on the contract of the manager.
Di Canio walked for example, but he got a pretty impressive pay off because we were in breach of contract.

Some managers are promised the world, so have it wrote into their contracts whatever these promises are, if the club fail to do it, they walk and still get paid off.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Monday, January 15, 2024, 18:55:53
It will all depend on the contract of the manager.
Di Canio walked for example, but he got a pretty impressive pay off because we were in breach of contract.

Some managers are promised the world, so have it wrote into their contracts whatever these promises are, if the club fail to do it, they walk and still get paid off.

Rumour has it they told Jody Morris the training ground was Foundation Park!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, January 15, 2024, 19:14:35
Rumour has it they told Jody Morris the training ground was Foundation Park!

Did he not wonder where the actual grass pitches are though? There are none at Foundation Park.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Qunk on Monday, January 15, 2024, 19:20:00
https://youtu.be/U_w4hL2hcLg?si=pVrw7-2yqknAuSU4

Love a bit of Mad Gav.

I was a big fan of Flynn’s appointment and unlike some on here (possibly justified, I’m not judging) I have no ill will towards him. I have no idea the stresses and strains that could have befallen him at this basket case club. Having said that, I’m glad he’s gone. Probably nothing will change now he has but you just never know in this stupid game and this even more stupid club. A change of face might have some effect. Fucking hope so!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 19:27:31
Put it this way - if Clem made certain assurances re January when he signed his new contract maybe he has walked for breach of contract. Then he will get a settlement.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 15, 2024, 19:28:17
I don’t think anyone has any ill will against Flynn the person. It just hasn’t worked out for him here - probably impossible under the circumstances.

Mad Gav must just be a stop gap before new owners can choose their own man.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, January 15, 2024, 19:29:39
It amazes me how we’re able to get any new players in considering the current shit show :eek:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 19:30:47
It amazes me how we’re able to get any new players in considering the current shit show :eek:

We won’t but don’t worry mad gav will save the day.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 15, 2024, 20:13:53
Probably just fill our loan spots and hope for the best (anything but relegation) is the play now I suspect.

Get what they can in transfer fees in Jan and hope to sell Feb/March.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Lemis on Monday, January 15, 2024, 21:36:47
Probably just fill our loan spots

Considering we didn't fill out loan spots in the first half of the season when we were blatantly struggling with depth, I'd be surprised if we manage even that


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Anonymous77 on Monday, January 15, 2024, 23:51:06
Has Gunning got the required badges now?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 07:42:05
Has Gunning got the required badges now?

It was said on the supporters club “on the sofa” chat last night that they believe he has now got all his required badges. Via Vic Morgan.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 08:34:11
Did he get them from Duggee?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 08:44:07
Jose Mourhino just been sacked, coincidence 🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: harrisonaw on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 09:33:51
Did he get them from Duggee?

Hahaha


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:10:56
Jose Mourhino just been sacked, coincidence 🤔

Sign him to play...straight in at full back Saturday.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:42:09
That was because he was given a dodgy contract. No way Flynn has walked.

Not one thing has changed from the August window to this one apart from the players he works with have got worse. He worked under the same conditions then as now
This.

I don’t think anyone has any ill will against Flynn the person. It just hasn’t worked out for him here - probably impossible under the circumstances.
No ill from me either, he masterminded THE worst ever performance by a Swindon side in our 145 year history but he was hugely oversold a dud by Clem and broken budget promises.

Seemed like a decent bloke and he did get us playing some of the best football I have seen from a Town side in 50 years.

Conversely I think we also saw the worst defending I have ever seen in 50 years following the Town too.

The issue is way bigger than just Flynn. Good luck for the future.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 11:57:08
Listening to Gunnings interview. The coaching structure is him, the analyst, Mildy and we will 'lean on' Charlie.

Fucking oath, mate.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 11:57:32
Listening to Gunnings interview. The coaching structure is him, the analyst, Mildy and we will 'lean on' Charlie.

Fucking oath, mate.

Jesus christ


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 12:07:00
Listening to Gunnings interview. The coaching structure is him, the analyst, Mildy and we will 'lean on' Charlie.

Fucking oath, mate.

Cheap, cheap, cheap......fuckin jokers who run this club.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 12:09:25
Heavy Metal Football!!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 12:11:18
Sure it doesn't sound great but lets be fair here.

With Flynn/Hatswell, Hatswell did all the coaching, so it was Hatswell/Mildy/Analyst

Flynn was the manager not the head coach.

So the non coaching aspects now sit more with Jamie Russell as a proper director of football.

But on the coaching side having Gav/Mildy/analyst isnt any different to Hatswell/Mildy/Analyst.




Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 12:12:46
Sure it doesn't sound great but lets be fair here.

With Flynn/Hatswell, Hatswell did all the coaching, so it was Hatswell/Mildy/Analyst

Flynn was the manager not the head coach.

So the non coaching aspects now sit more with Jamie Russell as a proper director of football.

But on the coaching side having Gav/Mildy/analyst isnt any different to Hatswell/Mildy/Analyst.




I'm Flynn was out on the training ground with the players also


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 12:14:23
Perhaps Reece Devine or Tom Clayton fancy doing a bit of coaching, you get a fair few of those promising young coaches whose own careers were ruined by injury...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 12:19:39
Listening to Gunnings interview. The coaching structure is him, the analyst, Mildy and we will 'lean on' Charlie.

Fucking oath, mate.

Sounds alright to me.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 12:25:38
My expectations of this club are so low we might as well give it a go. Not like we haven't tried every other type of setup.

Mu opinion is the coach no longer matters much, in the long term.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 12:26:12
I'm Flynn was out on the training ground with the players also

Oh yeah, not denying that, but Hatswell did all the coaching.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 13:18:31
Sounds alright to me.

Main concern for me in his interview there is that he says we have the same players as when we went on a unbeaten run. I think i worked out theres only 4/5 from that run playing now. Nearly 40 goals have gone


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 13:26:45
Main concern for me in his interview there is that he says we have the same players as when we went on a unbeaten run. I think i worked out theres only 4/5 from that run playing now. Nearly 40 goals have gone

Maybe he’s on about our unbeaten run from Colchester all the way through to…ummm the next game against Crewe


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 14:41:58
Fuck me, the bar is so low right now. There's barely a professional/suitably qualified person left at this club  :crash:

My earlier comment about NLS clubs will be redacted. It's heading more towards Southern League Premier South; and we already know that Supermarine are probably more professionally ran than STFC   :cry:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 15:16:35
I see the Happy Clappy crew tweeted about Caddis and that tweet got liked by Rob Angus.

Hoped when they went on their 2 hours Twitter Space goodbye tour last week they'd disband altogether.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 15:46:21
I see the Happy Clappy crew tweeted about Caddis and that tweet got liked by Rob Angus.

Hoped when they went on their 2 hours Twitter Space goodbye tour last week they'd disband altogether.


 :D has made me chuckle how much that account has been tweeting, after 'disbanding'.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 15:48:34

 :D has made me chuckle how much that account has been tweeting, after 'disbanding'.

I think it's because the ego has landed, again.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: MichaelPook on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 21:21:36
To be honest the League Swindon are heading for we are more likely to have Lee Spalding as manager


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:01:32
Mild morning thought - everyone keeps referring to 'the analyst' - does the fella not have a name or is he like Simon Hughes on Channel 4 Cricket and insisting everyone refers to him as The Analyst like he's a time lord or something?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:08:08
Mild morning thought - everyone keeps referring to 'the analyst' - does the fella not have a name or is he like Simon Hughes on Channel 4 Cricket and insisting everyone refers to him as The Analyst like he's a time lord or something?

Yeah, Clem Morfuni  :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:48:57
Mild morning thought - everyone keeps referring to 'the analyst' - does the fella not have a name or is he like Simon Hughes on Channel 4 Cricket and insisting everyone refers to him as The Analyst like he's a time lord or something?

Who are you talking about?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Sam Morshead on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:53:59
Mild morning thought - everyone keeps referring to 'the analyst' - does the fella not have a name or is he like Simon Hughes on Channel 4 Cricket and insisting everyone refers to him as The Analyst like he's a time lord or something?
Liam McCartan


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:56:25
Liam McCartan

And is he a Time Lord Sam?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Sam Morshead on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:58:24
And is he a Time Lord Sam?
would be useful if he could rewind us 3 months


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:58:38
I think it’s been a different analyst every season since Clem has been here.

We offer extremely poor wages and I think it’s basically seen as a first job/work experience - then once they get a year under their belt they move on swiftly.

The analyst who was here under Garner moved on to European scouting for Aston Villa I believe.
When he was at Town he rented my mother in laws spare room.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 19:41:16
Been reliably informed Flynn is the new FGR manager.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 19:52:08
Skullduggery afoot, I says.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 22:34:53
Suggest if true... Flynn will keep them up.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Rodney on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 08:43:50
Suggest if true... Flynn will keep them up.

Based on what? They’re 6 points adrift of Col U already. Flynn never showed any ability to galvanise or motivate the players here, or at Walsall.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 09:33:24
Flynn will have 10 days to get a few more players in (FGR) and will have something to prove.
Don't be surprised if they finish above Swindon.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 09:41:54
Bet you a penny to a pound of pig shit they don’t.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 09:43:10
Don’t be surprised if FGR played 352 - can’t defend, concede lots of goals and throw away points.

Like, on what fucking basis over his last two jobs has Flynn shown absolutely anything to suggest he could take a shit team adrift at the bottom of the table and improve them.

Not only that but suggesting he can improve them enough to get a minimum of 15 points (from 19 games) more than us (if we don’t get another point in our remaining 18 games) when they’ve only got 19 points from their first 27 games.

What fucking planet are you on?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 09:46:51
DIV
Just hope I am wrong.
Was at FGRs when it was only when they had a player sent off that Town took control
We are 4 good players short now. So don't hold your breath.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 09:52:38
Yeah, we are no great shakes but we aren’t lose 18 games in a row bad…
We will keep ticking over enough to not get dragged into a relegation scrap.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 09:54:37
Yeah, we are no great shakes but we aren’t lose 18 games in a row bad…
We will keep ticking over enough to not get dragged into a relegation scrap.

True, sadly we aren’t win 16 games in a row good either.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 10:17:59
Like, on what fucking basis over his last two jobs has Flynn shown absolutely anything to suggest he could take a shit team adrift at the bottom of the table and improve them.

Generously - and I do stress generously - you could look at Swindon and say he's a manager who comes in and makes a quick impact but struggles over the longer term. If you're FGR and just want to get quick points on the board to avoid the drop, I could see a scenario where you talk yourself in to giving him until EOS.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 10:22:23
Never thought we would be in this current situation for fuck sake.
We were playing some really attractive football and just missing a couple of players to sure up the defence and to fit in with injuries and suspensions when needed


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 10:24:56
Morfuni has so much to answer for
Lack of players funds and Flynn being a prize prick for making obvious excuses 😒


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 11:19:37
Flynn - went to Walsall. great start. turned to shit

Flynn - went to Swindon. great start. turned to shit

FGR just need that again and they're in the survival  hunt.

suggest it's a lot more difficult to do mid season though. I'll be amazed if he manages it. But they have more chance than with Deeney


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 11:25:54
Flynn - went to Walsall. great start. turned to shit

Flynn - went to Swindon. great start. turned to shit

FGR just need that again and they're in the survival  hunt.

suggest it's a lot more difficult to do mid season though. I'll be amazed if he manages it. But they have more chance than with Deeney
Gary Bowyer set to be named as new manager of FGR today according to their forum.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 11:27:46
oh well


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 11:35:19
Very charismatic choice😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, January 26, 2024, 21:49:33
Clem played an absolute blinder by appointing Gunning until end of season knowing that Klopp would become available .


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: CMT82 on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 16:28:24
Appreciate it's a big IF as there is very little to point to any other direction travel (or ambition) currently, should Gunning not be given the job on a full-time basis - then who are the options?

Austin as first team coach alongside a manager/coach he has worked with before?

Plenty of options, and for all the behind the scenes shenanigans, Swindon remains a great opportunity.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 16:41:03

Plenty of options, and for all the behind the scenes shenanigans, Swindon remains a great opportunity.



Swindon would be a great opportunity under a competent and ambitious owner who is willing to give a manager a competitive budget.

We don’t have that, so at the moment, anyone half decent manager with a brain cell would be mad to go near us. It’s career suicide.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: CMT82 on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 16:45:09
As some have found out, but for all the calls for Gunning not to be given the job, interested to see 'who else' under current circumstances.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 17:24:55
Who would be your choice?

Mark Bonner maybe for me i suppose

But as Quagmire says anyone would be mad at the current tme


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 17:28:44
Shitheads don’t seem to want Liam Manning anymore but not sure fans would accept him!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 17:35:51
I’d have Bernard Manning


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 17:37:19
Too many racist jokes we would be getting fined every week :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 18:03:37
Announce Gareth Barry   :suicide:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 18:24:55
Gary Bowyer set to be named as new manager of FGR today according to their forum.

I seem to recall Bradford fans absolutely loathing him during the Doyle saga


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 18:26:52
About as dull as Maurice Malpas.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 18:36:11
Swindon would be a great opportunity under a competent and ambitious owner who is willing to give a manager a competitive budget.

We don’t have that, so at the moment, anyone half decent manager with a brain cell would be mad to go near us. It’s career suicide.
I don't think it is the career suicide that many think, it's a free hit really. Anyone in football will know the conditions a manager is working under and i would imagine they would ignore anything they did at Swindon if it was shit or if you do semi well a team like Charlton or Crawley will come in for you anyway


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 19:06:03
Might have been grebo DIV that mentioned that we've been down the experienced, internal appointment, PL "name"  & failed in first job route. All have failed and / or jumped ship.

Not sure where we go from here.
Might as well give Gunning the job if he can get around the 40% win rate by end of the season.

Ultimately don't care what the manager says or how they say it. It's winning football matches that counts.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 19:19:00
I would rather give Sean Wood the job if we are going down that route. Looks tactically aware at least


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 22:08:57
Is Gunning the best man for the job? Probably not.
Is Gunning the worst man for the job? Again, probably not.

Will Gunning at least try to play attacking football & at least try different things. Yes - something which Sheridan, Garner, Lindsey, Morris & Flynn were hopeless at.


Obviously bigger issues going on. Don’t think I’d be jumping for joy if Gunning for the job but wouldn’t be slitting my wrists either.


I can’t think of anyone that I’d rather have than Gunning off the top of my head…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 22:11:41
I'm struggling to see what Gunnings tactic is other than to try and play it forward quickly and use width.

when it works it's great, just can't see it being long term sustainable.

Also no idea if he and Russell can build an actual squad.

But as someone else said, it's about winning.  So I really won't care if he does that.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 23:07:02
What was Flynn tactic? What was Morris tactic? What was Lindsey’s tactic?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 07:08:21
What was Flynn tactic? What was Morris tactic? What was Lindsey’s tactic?

I'm not sure using failures as like comparison helps ease the worry tbh


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 08:46:36
What was Flynn tactic? What was Morris tactic? What was Lindsey’s tactic?

Make something work from a squad built by the recruitment of whoever pulls the strings


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:01:48
I'd argue most of them had tactics, they just weren't *good at them*.

Flynn had exactly one tactic and stuck to it rigidly to the point of it becoming a problem, three at the back with overlapping centre backs and a number 10 who most of the play goes through.

Lindsay was slow tempo, possession football, very much continuing Garnerball just with less success.

Morris didn't seem to have a consistent approach.

Gunning has shown a few different things tactically - generally it's been much more diagonal balls, quick breaks and attacking down the wings and bypassing midfield, but he's done some interesting stuff with inverted full backs in the last few weeks.

Broadly I agree with DV here - Gunning has a bit about him, he's not my ideal choice of manager but he's doing better than I'd have expected considering his complete lack of any experience.

Garner wasn't hopeless though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:06:38
Go through that list of managers from Sheridactyl to Gunning and we’ve got progressively worse as far as results go.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:20:41
I don’t think we’ll get much better than Gunning given our current plight. He’s shown that he can beat teams with crap defences and we’ve become a bit better defensively. For me the new manager is irrelevant until the owners go and we get in a bunch of players good enough for L2 promotion.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:24:39
I don’t think we’ll get much better than Gunning
That has to be the most depressing thing anyone has written on here in a longtime.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:30:48
I'd argue most of them had tactics, they just weren't *good at them*.

Flynn had exactly one tactic and stuck to it rigidly to the point of it becoming a problem, three at the back with overlapping centre backs and a number 10 who most of the play goes through.

Lindsay was slow tempo, possession football, very much continuing Garnerball just with less success.

Morris didn't seem to have a consistent approach.

Gunning has shown a few different things tactically - generally it's been much more diagonal balls, quick breaks and attacking down the wings and bypassing midfield, but he's done some interesting stuff with inverted full backs in the last few weeks.

Broadly I agree with DV here - Gunning has a bit about him, he's not my ideal choice of manager but he's doing better than I'd have expected considering his complete lack of any experience.

Garner wasn't hopeless though.

Garner wasn’t hopeless but we still couldn’t see a game out properly under him.
Also to my memory he was very rigid with tactics and it was only an injury to Rob Hunt that saw him change and our form pick up during the run in.

I also thought some of the football was incredibly sideways, slow and dull under Garner.
I’m sure everyone’s aware I really don’t give a flying fuck about style as it’s a results business but sometimes it felt like we were a boxer trying to go the distance despite having the ability to knock our opponent out (or at the very least, try to)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:40:21
I don't disagree that the football was slow under Garner, but I think it kinda had to be with the squad we had - we just had no cover for any forward position. Davison literally played every minute from the start of March or so from memory, and our attacking options off the bench were JML, Aguiar, Parsons and Gladwin most weeks (we had a bit more squad depth defensively).

If you'd have played any sort of high tempo football with that squad they'd all have been broken in a week.

Now, whether Garner *would* have played any differently with a bigger squad I don't know (and doubt from his wider career) but it was the right way to play in those particularly circumstances. That was a huge overachievement of a season, which is why Garner got the Charlton job. It's just been shit ever since.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:43:13
I also felt the addition of Louie Barry really helped with regards to be being a bit quicker and more attacking but don’t think many rated him…

…but that’s all ancient history now


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 11:07:20
I don’t think we’ll get much better than Gunning given our current plight. He’s shown that he can beat teams with crap defences and we’ve become a bit better defensively. For me the new manager is irrelevant until the owners go and we get in a bunch of players good enough for L2 promotion.

I would argue we have become a bit better defensively because of McCarthy, and FBT returning to fitness. It wouldn't matter who was in charge, McCarthy was a huge upgrade.

You could make a similar argument for the beating crap teams. While Young/Kemp were better, we have the numbers/freshness to make a difference now that flynn didnt have.

So i'm honestly not sure what we can put down to Gunning. There is less tippy tappy (though there has been more in the last 2 games) and its been more direct, (which a lot of our fans seem to value), but outside of that i don't see that much has changed honestly.

Gunning = not the answer


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 11:24:22
McCarthy is indeed a huge upgrade but not sure he’d have copied massively better than Brewitt did in a back 3 with over lapping centre backs leaving him exposed & isolated


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 11:42:53
I would argue we have become a bit better defensively because of McCarthy, and FBT returning to fitness. It wouldn't matter who was in charge, McCarthy was a huge upgrade.

You could make a similar argument for the beating crap teams. While Young/Kemp were better, we have the numbers/freshness to make a difference now that flynn didnt have.

So i'm honestly not sure what we can put down to Gunning. There is less tippy tappy (though there has been more in the last 2 games) and its been more direct, (which a lot of our fans seem to value), but outside of that i don't see that much has changed honestly.

Gunning = not the answer
This for me too.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part 6837494(
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 11:43:15
McCarthy is indeed a huge upgrade but not sure he’d have copied massively better than Brewitt did in a back 3 with over lapping centre backs leaving him exposed & isolated

Its a fair point, but you could argue even with the crazy attacking CB's, we normally had 2 holding midfield players (Khan/Kinsella) and just the one joining the attack (Kemp). Where as we these days we just have the 1 number 6 (gunnings term) in Khan, the rest are all gung ho join the attack players.

So difficult to say, one way or the other.

My gut feel is i don't think Gunning has made any real difference to point accumulation across his spell so far.




Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 12:14:25
For me the new manager is irrelevant until the owners go and we get in a bunch of players good enough for L2 promotion.
That may well be true unfortunately.

I don't disagree that the football was slow under Garner, but I think it kinda had to be with the squad we had - we just had no cover for any forward position.
I don't wholly agree there, simply because we did pick up when we had to at the end of the season and "go for it".

Egbo was a quick fix (but I'd want Hunt over him for the season) and McKirdy hit the form of his life. So yeah that helped.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 12:42:58
It’s interesting that Gav has got 10 points from his 8 games this season, and Flynn managed 16 in the first 8 games of the season.

Flynn’s problems came when things stopped working & injuries started to bite, so will be interesting how Gav copes if it all starts going pear shaped.

You could argue that Gav has the better defensive options, whereas Flynn had Young & Kemp


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 12:59:37
It’s interesting that Gav has got 10 points from his 8 games this season, and Flynn managed 16 in the first 8 games of the season.

Flynn’s problems came when things stopped working & injuries started to bite, so will be interesting how Gav copes if it all starts going pear shaped.

You could argue that Gav has the better defensive options, whereas Flynn had Young & Kemp

10 points from 8, gets you 57/58 points across a season, which is about enough to finish 17th!

New managers are supposed to have a bounce, yet there has been none.

I'm very much in the Gunning isn't the answer camp, but rightly that depends on the question. I can't help but believe he is still a Clem stooge given him lingering around over the last 2 years which doesn't help my perception.

I don't have much hope for any change though.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 13:03:29
It’s interesting that Gav has got 10 points from his 8 games this season, and Flynn managed 16 in the first 8 games of the season.

Flynn’s problems came when things stopped working & injuries started to bite, so will be interesting how Gav copes if it all starts going pear shaped.

You could argue that Gav has the better defensive options, whereas Flynn had Young & Kemp
This.

GG had the support of a january transfer window and a much bigger and better depth of squad that the vast majority of flynns tenure.

In the last game GG had glatzel, rhm, austin, mceachran, elbouzedi and brewitt as options off the bench.

the week before flynn was sacked he had mceachran, genesini, dworzak, aguiar, hart, obodo and evans on the bench.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 13:04:53
I'm very much in the Gunning isn't the answer camp, but rightly that depends on the question.

Question might be who is the cheapest possible option. In which case means he is the answer.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 13:24:14
10 points from 8, gets you 57/58 points across a season, which is about enough to finish 17th!

New managers are supposed to have a bounce, yet there has been none.

I'm very much in the Gunning isn't the answer camp, but rightly that depends on the question. I can't help but believe he is still a Clem stooge given him lingering around over the last 2 years which doesn't help my perception.

I don't have much hope for any change though.




We’ve definitely picked up post Flynn.
Not the greatest new manager bounce ever seen but there has been improvement


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 13:40:38
Gunning brings a divide in the fan base, some wont be fussed if he gets the job others (myself included) don't want him to get the job.

I've not seen anything so far from Gunning that suggests he would be the right one to get us up the table and push for a play off, he looks a cheap option, and his tactics at time seem questionable seemingly thinking 4 strikers on the pitch will get you the goals and 3 pts.

The issue I see though is that so far Clem has not proved he can appoint a competent manager, that is where I struggle.

Personally I'd like to see someone young that has been around the game coaching at a few clubs, or even someone like Wellens that went into a club and failed but has learnt from the experience, I've no problem Austin on the coaching staff but he needs to get his badges and coaching experience before he can be considered.

It needs to be someone that can unite a fan base and bring some football but knows how to setup tactics.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 13:51:34
The Harrogate game was quite worrying in terms of Gunning. I saw a team that didn't really know what they were doing. The tactical awareness was pretty much none-existent. There was no patterns of play, no triangles, corners were a mess and god knows what was going on with those subs... I want Gunner to succeed but I'm not sure he will. I'd be very surprised if he does get offered the job but he probably will if Clem's still here in the summer. Honestly, I'd take Garner back over Gunning. (of course in an ideal world I'd have neither, but I'd trust the team more in Garners hands than Gunnings)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 14:09:12
There's been games where Gunning has made tactical changes and they've improved us, and others where he's made very strange decisions. I don't think you could accuse him of not trying anything or being flexible, but equally I can see why people might see that as someone just throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks.

He's not my dream manager, but I don't think anyone will do markedly better unless the wider footballing structure of the club changes.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 14:14:40

We’ve definitely picked up post Flynn.
Not the greatest new manager bounce ever seen but there has been improvement

Less of a bounce and more a soft landing.  He has simplified the game, which has made us less likely to cause ourselves problems.  The flip side to that is looking toothless, or just plan rudderless in some games, or even portions of games.

I have no issue with simplifying the game at this level, but the squad is terrible and the Gunning approach seems to be to chuck 11 players on the field and shout a lot from the sidelines to them about what to do.  No offence to him, but that's not much more than I can muster with Rec League kids here.  I get a sense it will not be an approach that is sustainable, results wise, over the long term.

I still prefer him to Flynn, and Lindsey.  I really couldn't decide if Morris was truly shit or just in a huff.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 09:58:37

 I'd take Garner back over Gunning. (of course in an ideal world I'd have neither, but I'd trust the team more in Garners hands than Gunnings)

I wouldn't want him back.
He knew he wanted out and as such his tactics at Vale were shit. We were better than all of those sides in the play offs and he restricted us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 10:31:53
Garner can fuck right off


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: adje on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 10:55:47
It’s interesting that Gav has got 10 points from his 8 games this season, and Flynn managed 16 in the first 8 games of the season.

Flynn’s problems came when things stopped working & injuries started to bite, so will be interesting how Gav copes if it all starts going pear shaped.

You could argue that Gav has the better defensive options, whereas Flynn had Young & Kemp
Fair enough but I think Flynn's last 8 brought us 3 points which is probably the more relevant stat to be fair


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 11:22:54
Garner would be lucky to manage again for a league side.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: UTR on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 12:23:49
I wouldn't want him back.
He knew he wanted out and as such his tactics at Vale were shit. We were better than all of those sides in the play offs and he restricted us.

To be fair the Vale game just seemed like we shit ourselves from the first whistle.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 12:25:10
We should have taken a bigger lead up there.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 13:33:37
We should have taken a bigger lead up there.

Yep, Conroy’s going down ‘injured’ & getting treatment thus having to leave the pitch left us a man short from the thrown in, in which they scored. Baudry getting caught between marking both their strikers.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 14:00:43
Quote from: DiV
Yep, Conroy’s going down ‘injured’ & getting treatment thus having to leave the pitch left us a man short from the thrown in, in which they scored. Baudry getting caught between marking both their strikers.

That and Davison fucking up a golden opportunity to add to the lead.

see also: Davison at Port Vale


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 14:04:54
And their left back blocking a McKirdy cross with both hands stretch up well above his head, inside the box…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 14:07:56
well yeah, we were shit on the night but totally cheated there


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 14:08:30
They even cheated us out of a decent away allocation.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 14:09:09
And their left back blocking a McKirdy cross with both hands stretch up well above his head, inside the box…

It was an Egbo cross I think.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 15:12:23
Doesn't matter what Manager we get unless we finally adequatley replace Ben Chorley.  I would have Garner over Gunning but not without Chorley.  Until the club gets that bit right and give him an adequate budget to work with, you could have Guardiola or Mr Blobby in charge of the team and it wouldn't make any difference.

We are on a downward tradjectory in terms of quality because of that piece not being addressed, so if we are going to go down next season it might as well be Gunning that gets to add that to his CV.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 15:17:48
Neil Warnock leaves Aberdeen already. Anyone?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: adje on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 16:42:34
Neil Warnock leaves Aberdeen already. Anyone?
Why not?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, March 9, 2024, 16:43:36
Shitheads would like him


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Monday, March 11, 2024, 14:20:28
What is the minimum Gunning needs to achieve from his 18 games in charge for people to think he is the acceptable choice for next season?



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Monday, March 11, 2024, 14:26:06
Think he could win the remaining 9 and still the majority wouldn’t want him.

Although I think most think it’s a given anyway.
If that is the case I’d like to see us bring in an older, wiser head as an assistant.
I much prefer Gavs gung-ho cavalier tactics which he isn’t afraid to mix up over the rigid keep trying the same thing all game every game we had under Flynn.

If you think of it as a sliding scale - we’ve gone from one extreme to the other. Flynn needed to be more flexible. Gav needs to rein it in. Maybe an experienced assistant manager in his ear might be a massive help?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 11, 2024, 14:39:38
Gunning needs to win 6 out of the last 9 to get up to a reassuring 40% win rate.

Time for results over the blarney.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 11, 2024, 14:52:01
Gunning needs to win 6 out of the last 9 to get up to a reassuring 40% win rate.

Time for results over the blarney.

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Managers.asp

Interesting number you picked. Out of our 'recent' managers (i'd say from Luke Williams forward) using Win ratio as your guide, Garner's 60% sticks out. I see Flynny had 39% so not sure 40% is quite so reassuring.

Personally i'm open minded. In all honesty are we sure what the aims of the club are going to be next season? Last season's bluster was that we were going for promotion, which we've been miles off of, and budgetary issues suggest we might not be able to attract the calibre of manager that fans might want. I think Gunning's reign has been 'interesting'. I think he was well backed in January and has shown that he isn't afraid to try things, much like a baby who will put anything in his/her mouth.

If Gav isn't to be the new gaffer, I'd like to see him used in some kind of coaching team. I think he's quite popular and I like his Irish dryness personally. (but get he does rub some people up the wrong way)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 11, 2024, 16:14:00
Think he could win the remaining 9 and still the majority wouldn’t want him.
If we win our next 9 games I will 100% change my mind on him and give him the job full time, ok I will even say that winning 8 out of the last 9 and I will say hes the best person for the job.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, March 11, 2024, 16:17:39
If we win the next 9 games I will give Audrey a hand job live on twitch


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Monday, March 11, 2024, 16:20:59
If we win the next 9 games I will give Audrey a hand job live on twitch

…well, I’ll quote it - just in case


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 11, 2024, 16:26:58
If we win the next 9 games I will give Audrey a hand job live on twitch
You’ll need 2 hands


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 11, 2024, 16:28:42
You’ll need 2 hands
Yes but 1 and a half of them will be wasted!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 11:37:40
So 10 games into Gav part 3 and he has 2 wins & 10 points.
In Flynn’s last 10 games (which everyone rightly points out were a disaster) he got 3 wins & 10 points.

I’m no fan of Cotterill but does anyone think we would have 10 points from the last 10 games if he’d been in charge 🤷🏼‍♂️


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 11:44:19
How much of it is down to the players. They can see what we see. Can’t blame them for not buying into Gav’s madcap methods. Play well, get dropped or subbed. 4 at the back one game, 5 at the back the next game. 3 midfielders one game, 2 midfielders the next game.

Khan has obviously be binned. Maybe his attitude is down to not going to AFCON, not going to Wrexham or maybe Ramadan has something to do with it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:03:31
If there is anything the change in Manager this season has shown us, it's that players largely do follow the instruction of the Manager.  While both Managers have brought issues to the team, the way the same (ish) set of players play the game is very different under them.

I can certainly buy into anyone wishing to make a case for the squad actually being quite shit, but I can also support the fact our Managerial set-up is shit as well.  Even if Gav was the man, he'd insist on a proper coaching staff - the fact he hasn't, and even supported the decision to not support him, in public, says it all really.  This is not a serious attempt.  I mean, Pike is going to have to do Karachi and Sydney on the same trip next time.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:35:49
I honestly don't think any manager would get much out of this bunch of misfits. Granted Flynn and Gunning haven't been great, but the squad is a mess and the majority of players are not good enough for the top end of League 2. That added with inadequate training facilities, we're in the situation we're in. It'll only get worse next season with Clem in charge.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:41:54
I’m no fan of Cotterill but does anyone think we would have 10 points from the last 10 games if he’d been in charge 🤷🏼‍♂️

Yes.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:45:34
I honestly don't think any manager would get much out of this bunch of misfits. Granted Flynn and Gunning haven't been great, but the squad is a mess and the majority of players are not good enough for the top end of League 2. That added with inadequate training facilities, we're in the situation we're in. It'll only get worse next season with Clem in charge.

The squad is a mess because it’s unbalanced and missing key ingredients.
Still think we have decent players in the squad. Like I genuinely think to drop an experienced CB & a decent DM in this squad and we 8-10 places higher.

The off field side of things needs a massive reboot - all of it.
Sort out the midfield & the squad is ok (although I have no doubt most contracts will expire and it’ll be a completely different squad come August & again in January & again in August etc)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:11:38
^ This. Plus we always seem to be chasing our tail when it comes to signing players.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:20:55
Yes, the squad is unbalanced but equally you work with what you have got, we have the players to play 4-3-3 but the tactics Gunning wants to employ at times is 4-2-4 or 4-1-5 the tactic seems to be we will outscore the opposition, and knock it long and direct.

Gunning is not the answer - whatever the question is

Wouldn't it be good for Clem to decide that Gunning is out of his depth and appoint a new manager with coaching team, for the run in so they can evaluate the squad and make a decision on who they feel it is right to keep.

Sadly decisions on players will be made by the sporting director, and either Gunning will be given the job as "he has not had the correct tools to use but we have seen enough to suggest he will do a good job" or a new manager will be found appointed late after the job has been turned down due to being told he will have one of the lowest budgets.

Will no chance of arranging his own pre-season, players signed that do not fit into his style of play so he is forced to play a certain way and use the players he has been given until they are all sold in January and we sign another 11 players.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:34:53
Similarly to Morris, he's been left in a shit situation but still done absolutely fucking shite with the shit hand he was dealt.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:35:30
I honestly don't think any manager would get much out of this bunch of misfits. Granted Flynn and Gunning haven't been great, but the squad is a mess and the majority of players are not good enough for the top end of League 2. That added with inadequate training facilities, we're in the situation we're in. It'll only get worse next season with Clem in charge.

I wouldn't be confident instructing that man to run a bath, let along fix one. Horrendous planning and decision making skills.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:55:02
If they are serious about getting out of this league, go get Fatty Evans.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:59:03
Do we seriously want an ex-con like Evans?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:59:09
If they are serious about getting out of this league, go get Fatty Evans.

Yea, we're definitely not getting a manager from a team in the League 1 playoffs.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:00:08
Yea, we're definitely not getting a manager from a team in the League 1 playoffs.

Or having to pay compo for someone still in a job!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:01:14
Or having to pay compo for someone still in a job!

True, should have led with that!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:01:36
We’ll get a completely unproven first time manager (and one with credentials more reflecting Gunning than Garner) or an absolute dreg off of the carousel

The clubs reputation is an absolute joke, and talk must travel. No serious manager, or one with designs on being one, will touch us with a barge pole


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:04:53
Do we seriously want an ex-con like Evans?
Fit in well.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:05:55
Is it feasible that Gunning goes back to his initial day job as loans manager, or a coach and we promote the academy manager, who's stock must have gone up after the season with the yoofs?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:22:09
Loans manager is the most pointless job ever


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:27:45
Khan has obviously be binned. Maybe his attitude is down to not going to AFCON, not going to Wrexham or maybe Ramadan has something to do with it.
I am sure it was similar last season during Ramadan that he didnt play whole games or evening games during the month.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Townend24 on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:07:11
Hear me out….

Where do we go next? Mr Gunning was definitely the next appointment for Clem and I think he was hoping for him to steady the ship and be an easy cheap appointment. However I think we are all in agreement it was never quite going to work. He’s not popular amongst the players. His body language is awful and his interviews are damning for the dressing room. The best managers will protect the dressing room in public but by all means crucify them privately if and when needed. Now that it’s evident even surely to Mr Morfuni eyes Gav Gunning is not a football manager and struggles to manage people and players.

We have tried the experienced one (Flynn, Brown, Flitcroft, Sheridan) as have we tried the academy route (Garner,Kevin McDonald, Luke Williams). We have tried the caretaker to manager idea (Lindsay, Gunning, Cooper). Our last real successful manager was Richie wellens who managed for 1 season and then came to us and after a slow start built a real strong togetherness with the supporters. I am trying to forget the separation from supporters and the board and clem and co but I really feel the distance in togetherness from the pitch to the stands is deeply growing.

I know we all have mixed opinions and that is football. I would love none other than a fresh Paul Caddis after the year he’s had with Hereford. Young hungry and understands our football club. I work with 3 Hereford season ticket holders and they say he pulls no punches. He’s very forceful in what he wants and Hereford have now come from losing positions to win or draw several times this season that shows he’s built a group that will never give up.Sadly something I think that has been labelled at us this season. He’s on a 2yr deal but I doubt he’d cost an arm and a leg to prize away. Should Caddis be given the opportunity? Should he want the opportunity? Similarities and similar journey/career to Wellens?

Other possibilities could be a real experienced manager which stated above we have gone down that route. Could we go foreign? Someone out of the box. Could we attract a foreigner to come over to our leagues who likely doesn’t know a lot?

Are there any national league managers who are worthy of taking on?

I think Caddis with an experienced backroom team would be a great starting point who would have us focussing on the pitch and reunite the bond between the supporters and the players because we all know he’d demand a team that will work until the very end (just checked Hereford scoreline last night and equalised in 95th minute) and I think that’s happened a few times this season. Supporters love him and the average attendance has grown by 35% on last season according to a local news bulletin.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Kaufman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:10:30
Hi Hanners


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:24:32
Caddis would be mad to come here, ruin his reputation and would be a big risk for him and us, and non league Vanarama is a huge step to league football, he hasn't proven anything yet.

And Foreign coach - Where do you think Clem has his contacts ? he is not besty's with Ange even though they are both Aussie

Sadly stfc is probably seen as a poisoned chalice given our reputation with managers the last few years


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jericho on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:29:25
Caddis would be mental to come to this club in its current state.

He will have no budget, have his transfer strategy hamstrung by the genius that is Jamie Russell and he'll have an entire new team to have to build from scratch. Destined for failure, by which time Clem would probably just appoint Kiely's best friend Gav Gunning again on an "interim" basis.

People should have learned by now that who the manager is doesn't matter while the club is being run by a bunch of idiots who don't have any idea how to run a professional football club.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:33:55
So what’s happened, financially, between Clem appointing Morris and his assistant - they wouldn’t have come cheap - and Poundland Gunning? He was obviously prepared to employ both Morris and Flynn and then pay them off but employ Gunning with no support staff and no doubt vastly reduced salary?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:40:49
Big fan of Caddis and really hope it doesn't happen in the circumstances. Don't want his career and STFC reputation ruined.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:42:07
Unfortunately we need to get the horse before the cart before we decide which horse we are going to choose.  No Manager will be successful with the current setup, infrastructure and budget.  I have said it before, you could hire Pep or Mr Blobby, unless the backroom of the club is sorted first, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:44:20
The whole Caddis being a legend thing has always been way too OTT for me.

The bloke has barely played 100 games for us.

If he's appointed I hope it's because he has the credentials to do well. Not because he had 2 good seasons as a player.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:47:33
So what’s happened, financially, between Clem appointing Morris and his assistant - they wouldn’t have come cheap - and Poundland Gunning? He was obviously prepared to employ both Morris and Flynn and then pay them off but employ Gunning with no support staff and no doubt vastly reduced salary?

The only thing i can think is preparing for sale with minimum high earning assets


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:48:14
The only thing i can think is preparing for sale with minimum high earning assets

Yep


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:49:01
The only thing i can think is preparing for sale with minimum high earning assets
This is my hope.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:49:39
The only thing i can think is preparing for sale with minimum high earning assets

I god hope so! Im praying we have a new owner by the start of next season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:53:07
Wasn't Flynn through the "Agency"?  "We" likely didn't lose any money on that one.

I think Morris demanding his mate and then finding the cost to do so caught them by surprise, hence the delay.  Think that was a case of fingers being burned and probably didn't help Morris in giving himself any runway.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:04:14
Wasn't Flynn through the "Agency"?  "We" likely didn't lose any money on that one.

I think Morris demanding his mate and then finding the cost to do so caught them by surprise, hence the delay.  Think that was a case of fingers being burned and probably didn't help Morris in giving himself any runway.

Where is Morris' No 2 now - did he go straight back to coaching Chelsea's kids ?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:19:27
He never left ;)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: CMT82 on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:54:41
'The Chelsea loan manager discusses the trials and tribulations of his 26-year career at Chelsea and stint as Swindon Town assistant coach.'

https://www.premierleague.com/news/3859531


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 17:07:03
Where is Morris' No 2 now - did he go straight back to coaching Chelsea's kids ?

The same place as Lewis Ward's goalkeeping career. That was another really odd scenario.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 18:07:37
So what’s happened, financially, between Clem appointing Morris and his assistant - they wouldn’t have come cheap - and Poundland Gunning? He was obviously prepared to employ both Morris and Flynn and then pay them off but employ Gunning with no support staff and no doubt vastly reduced salary?

What’s happened?

They were shit, they got sacked and we’ve had to pay up their contracts - which is probably more money than we have…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 15, 2024, 10:55:11
If we win the next 9 games I will give Audrey a hand job live on twitch
Well that barely lasted 57 mins into the game before it became a distant memory of a 9 game winning run.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 15, 2024, 10:59:03
Aud managed 57 mins? Fair play to him at his age  :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 15, 2024, 11:11:51
Well that barely lasted 57 mins into the game before it became a distant memory of a 9 game winning run.

I was extremely confident my hand would remain untouched by Audrey's member


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 15, 2024, 12:45:38
Confident but disappointed?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 15, 2024, 13:05:52
Confident but disappointed?

Extremely


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 15, 2024, 13:12:33
 :-*


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 22, 2024, 17:44:22
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24204957.swindon-town-appoint-next-manager/

Anyone on this list take your fancy or is it duller than watching cricket?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, March 22, 2024, 17:51:14
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24204957.swindon-town-appoint-next-manager/

Anyone on this list take your fancy or is it duller than watching cricket?

There is nothing dull about watching cricket BO!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 22, 2024, 17:51:33
Bonner & Gray are ok shouts.

Nothing to get massively excited about but they could potentially do a decent job here.

Lee Johnson, absolutely not.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 22, 2024, 17:53:44
There is nothing dull about watching cricket BO!

Sorry Quaggy not my bag fella :) I would rather eat them that watch it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, March 22, 2024, 17:55:30
 :D

Anyway, the original question, as I’ve just put on Twitter. I’d personally be hoping Forest Green went down and then beg Cotterill to take the job.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 22, 2024, 18:00:16
:D

Anyway, the original question, as I’ve just put on Twitter. I’d personally be hoping Forest Green went down and then beg Cotterill to take the job.

That's a fair shout. I know a lot will be put off by his time at Bristol City, but that doesn't bother me in the slightest if he does a good job. He's done a great job of turning FGR around and was really popular at Shrewsbury. Would be a pretty shrewd appointment.

Given Clem has trouble making sensible footballing decisions I wonder if he might be thinking of going back in for Garner, (minus Chorley of course) which would almost certainly not work.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 22, 2024, 18:15:40
Does anybody really give a shit what a prospective new manager’s previous clubs were?

I’d go for Fatty Evans if I was a new owner.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 22, 2024, 19:31:14
I don't super care where they were before but Fatty Evans can fuck off.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Leggett on Friday, March 22, 2024, 19:52:33
Deckchairs on the titanic. New owner needed, otherwise it really doesn't matter who's steering the ship when the owner won't pay for a wheel to steer...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 22, 2024, 19:55:04
Flynn lost the plot in the end but kind of proved it this year. If our budget stretched for a proper squad, we'd have been okish. His lack of plan b and adaptability would have probably cost us in the end, but we'd have been competing at the right end of the table instead or what ended up happening.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: adje on Friday, March 22, 2024, 22:37:42
But if FGR go down, he won't have turned them around really. Still, would probably be an improvement


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Kronau on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 09:07:58
How about Tommy Widdrington at Aldershot, they've done well in League and Cup on a midtable budget.

Matt Gray is a chilling prospect.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 09:40:43
How about Tommy Widdrington at Aldershot, they've done well in League and Cup on a midtable budget.

Matt Gray is a chilling prospect.

I'd take Tommy Widdrington in a heartbeat. He can bring Tolaj with him. No doubt we'll go for someone very underwhelming. Just please dont let it be Gunning, please.  


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 10:12:15
I'm in the ABG (Anyone But Gunning) camp, with one proviso that it's not someone we've had before, that rarely works out.

I'm not saying that anyone else will necessarily be better, but Gunning for an entire season will be a disaster.

The worry is that Gunning being the cheap option, Clem will go for it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 10:16:32
How about Tommy Widdrington at Aldershot, they've done well in League and Cup on a midtable budget.

Matt Gray is a chilling prospect.
There is absolute zero chance we will get any manager in who we have to pay a). a half decent wage and b). that we need to pay compensation to sign ruling out any manager currently employed.

I keep hearing the name Mark Bonner mentioned, the ex Cambridge boss with a win ratio of 38% from 200 games but he has a 40% loss ratio.

At the end of his tenure with Cambridge they picked up 1 point from the last 13 league games, sounds like Flynn at Walsall prior to joining us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 12:15:57
I'm not sure any of the managerial appointments under Clem have been correct - the closest was probably Flynn but sadly he was probably not helped by lack of budget and signing players late, and the shenanigans behind the scenes. 

We probably got lucky with Garner that he had to work with an embargo and he had a DoF that got in the right players, and the feel good factor off the pitch probably helped galvanize the players.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 12:23:00
Perhaps controversially i think Morris/Brand may have been a good choice. Unlike all the others they didn't get a transfer window and had to work with what they were given. Though i know Morris didn't seem that committed, but perhaps down to what he has been sold by Sandro.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 12:40:31
Personally think Sandro has been used as the sacrificial lamb. Well partly.

Nothing has changed since he left, and are probably worse.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 12:50:02
Perhaps controversially i think Morris/Brand may have been a good choice. Unlike all the others they didn't get a transfer window and had to work with what they were given. Though i know Morris didn't seem that committed, but perhaps down to what he has been sold by Sandro.

Didnt they tell Morris that Foundation Park was the training ground :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: wokinghamred on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 12:59:00
I think more than anything the commitment to a new manager decides my views on life. Probably more than the players we sign.
How can Clem expect us to keep turning up if they can't even bother to get someone that knows how to run a team?
I'm not expecting the world, but I at least expect a manager with some track record and know-how.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 13:27:06
I think the larger point is it while a good manager makes a difference, the cuts at the club, its overall poor set up etc will stop them really achieving anything.

Waiting eagerly for this Clem update from aus that's been talked about.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 13:37:12
Yeah, new manager means fuck all right now tbh. Clubs a mess.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 13:42:46


Waiting eagerly for this Clem update from aus that's been talked about.
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 13:50:00
Yeah, new manager means fuck all right now tbh. Clubs a mess.
Unfortunately true.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 13:55:09
I think the larger point is it while a good manager makes a difference, the cuts at the club, its overall poor set up etc will stop them really achieving anything.

Waiting eagerly for this Clem update from aus that's been talked about.

I assumed he was planning to rise on Easter Sunday like the Messiah he is.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 15:57:25
I assumed he was planning to rise on Easter Sunday like the Messiah he is.

Pity we can't nail him to the cross tomorrow and see if its true.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:07:34
This line suggests to me he is here for the long haul

so I think that going forward that is probably where we will be at until we can recruit again.”

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24218797.gavin-gunning-hints-tactical-shift-swindon-town/?ref=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR2YBAWTRprXuUSxaeO-uLf3B_iK9eyySombaqBWXZlKtZZ0kN5tdQO7QFQ_aem_AX_BN1jO18E8PrMZCojOcUraObOyVuqycj-kikbObxcuZqtNiLEhOmb_R8-pUaHSGa9bLEAOQ785g0mi3AUoitP0


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:14:23
That may also suggest so is the chairman :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:25:38
This line suggests to me he is here for the long haul

so I think that going forward that is probably where we will be at until we can recruit again.”

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24218797.gavin-gunning-hints-tactical-shift-swindon-town/?ref=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR2YBAWTRprXuUSxaeO-uLf3B_iK9eyySombaqBWXZlKtZZ0kN5tdQO7QFQ_aem_AX_BN1jO18E8PrMZCojOcUraObOyVuqycj-kikbObxcuZqtNiLEhOmb_R8-pUaHSGa9bLEAOQ785g0mi3AUoitP0

A shift from no tactics to tactics?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:29:49
God i hope not


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:44:03
Swear he said 2 weeks ago back 3 hasn’t worked all season that’s why he changed it


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 16:55:44
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/jimmy-shan-joins-as-assistant-head-coach

We have an assistant. Bit of pedigree, relatively speaking. Much more than Gunning has!

Worked with Darren Moore a lot, did wonder if that was a link but turns out he's just signed up for five and a half years at Port Vale!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:08:08
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/jimmy-shan-joins-as-assistant-head-coach

We have an assistant. Bit of pedigree, relatively speaking. Much more than Gunning has!

Worked with Darren Moore a lot, did wonder if that was a link but turns out he's just signed up for five and a half years at Port Vale!
Pretty much confirms Gunning is getting the job then & they are putting a set up together for him. That’ll be me completely done then.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:09:25
Or Garner is coming back

Him, Russell and Shan all worked together at WBA

But as you say, looks like Gunning is in it for the long haul


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: harrisonaw on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:10:58
He said: “We have been speaking to Jimmy for a bit now, it is tough when you are trying to do everything by yourself, so Jimmy will give me a hand with that and I will be able to focus more on different aspects. It is a big help.

I thought he didn't want one. Get out, shambles.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:13:34
I don’t read Shan’s appointment as an indicator that Gunning is staying in post. He’s a journeyman coach who’s bounced from one job to the next and I suspect will be here to make sure the last few games aren’t as much of a car crash as the preceding 30.

But the Garner link is interesting. It would be classicly lazy recruitment from Morfuni to use his black book of approximately 4 contacts in the entire EFL to appoint Garner, albeit much less lazy than it was to recruit Gunning.

I wonder if Garner is still being paid by Colchester and not taking a new job yet on that basis. Or just because he failed…?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:23:33
I think Garner was doing some work for the Premier League


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:25:21
I’d be amazed if Garner came back. The exact same people he was desperate to get away from are still here and with a bigger influence it seems


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:28:36
I thought we were skint!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:31:43
Seems strange it took over a week to announce it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: blinkpip on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:36:26
Seems strange it took over a week to announce it.
Admin error :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:42:48
Clems Easter present


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Lemis on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:44:07
What took longer,  getting Brand in for Morris or getting an assistant for Gunning?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 17:58:59
Brand


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 18:27:04
Shan has experience of assisting in taking a side out of the football league at least.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 19:06:09
Perhaps controversially i think Morris/Brand may have been a good choice. Unlike all the others they didn't get a transfer window and had to work with what they were given. Though i know Morris didn't seem that committed, but perhaps down to what he has been sold by Sandro.

Looked a decent choice on paper and I was excited to see what they could do.
Lindsey had us playing a very set in stone formation and style that was dull & not getting results. Gav came in and went gung ho at least proving the that team had some attacking prowess in them.

So, I was looking forward to what Morris could bring to the table and then his line up at Newport saw us revert back to the Lindsey formation, the Lindsey style of play & the Lindsey results - which at the time was a step back from the Gunning attacking play & results.

It’s like Morris came in, thought we were doing well, watched a game Lindsey was in charge for and thought ‘right, I need to replicate that’

I desperately wanted Morris to show something. To adapt, to change, to get something more out of the team we had - he managed to get less out of the team.

…as I said on paper Morris looked a really good appointment but that first XI he picked just showed he didn’t have any clue about how our season had been going…

I think we could have all tolerate some shit games and not great results if we could see Morris was building something, slowly changing the standards, the ethos but he showed none of that.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 19:08:55
Shan has experience of assisting in taking a side out of the football league at least.

And to be fair, also managed a team in the playoffs of the Championship. I'd take that...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 19:10:15
I wonder how he ended up here🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 21:01:39
I wonder how he ended up here🤔

The agents behind the clubs ownership?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 21:29:41
The agents behind the clubs ownership?

There’s always a story if you dig deep enough😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 07:00:24
Hearing rumours getting stronger of Garner returning. Not sure if it’s people putting 2 and 2 together with him featuring on BBC wilts but rumours are definitely stronger than they were before.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 07:31:08
Hearing rumours getting stronger of Garner returning. Not sure if it’s people putting 2 and 2 together with him featuring on BBC wilts but rumours are definitely stronger than they were before.

Will he be sat in the DR stand as well?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 07:31:57
Hearing rumours getting stronger of Garner returning. Not sure if it’s people putting 2 and 2 together with him featuring on BBC wilts but rumours are definitely stronger than they were before.
I don't think Garner would return with Clem in charge from what I have heard about how he left us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 07:37:11
We’d be stupid to have him back.

Not only did he do us dirty with the timing of talking to Charlton - he’s generally been shit everywhere else apart from 1 season here (and we were still shit at times that season)

Like in all seriousness - does anyone look at our current squad (granted it might look very different come August) & think, yeah Ben fucking Garner could get a decent tune of out of these players…

…because I do not.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 07:39:52
…because I do not.
You are not alone in thinking that.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 07:40:27
Ben Garner might at least know what to do with the eight hundred small technical midfielders we have.

He's not my preference at all but if it's him or Gunning then welcome back Ben. You would like to think there are wider options available, but Clem has shown repeatedly that he likes to go back to past glories.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 07:46:45
I don't think Garner would return with Clem in charge from what I have heard about how he left us.

Even from Garners own words in the interview with Hawes, he left because of changes behind the scenes he wasn't happy with (see Chorley exit time), so its difficult to see him returning.

However, Garners stock is pretty low right now, sacked by Charlton, and then by Colchester so i think he struggles to get another league job, so i guess its possible he lowers his standards to secure one possibly?

Despite his 'success' he never really built that relationship with the fans and thats down to his own personality but also the tendancy to play a brand of tippy tappy football that a significant number of the town faithfull lambast. So if it were to happen i don't think Clem would get much credit for bringing him back.

Someone on here pointed out that our new assistant worked with him and Russell and WBA, not sure how true that is? Is this another Lewis Ward type arrangement. We want him but the terms of his Colchester seperation see us waiting until the end of the season to do it? I doubt it personally.

Personally his reluctance to move away from 5-3-2 annoyed me for a lot of the season, and it amused me our run at the end of the season to get to the playoffs was because we played 433 finally, with Barry/Davison/McKirdy up top.

I don't think bringing him back is the way to go sadly.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 07:51:25
Clem is naive enough to think bringing Garner back would quieten the fans for a bit. That’s how his brain works.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 08:11:57
2 days late Joe


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 08:23:30
I don't think Garner would return with Clem in charge from what I have heard about how he left us.

I think Garner would jump at the chance to come back with the way his career has nosedived.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 08:24:11
I know Garner is out of work, but he's not an idiot and surely coming back here to manager the club in an even worse situation than when he left is a lose lose for him.

With that said, when he took the job on 3 years ago with only a few footballers in the building and post the Sheridan league 1 Covid season, times weren't great then so maybe he'd like another go under a different challenge.

Unfortunately, such are things at the moment that it doesn't really matter who is managing the club until multiple things are sorted out behind the scenes. 


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 08:28:54
 :bullshit: :fishing:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 08:42:18
I know Garner is out of work, but he's not an idiot and surely coming back here to manager the club in an even worse situation than when he left is a lose lose for him.

With that said, when he took the job on 3 years ago with only a few footballers in the building and post the Sheridan league 1 Covid season, times weren't great then so maybe he'd like another go under a different challenge.

Unfortunately, such are things at the moment that it doesn't really matter who is managing the club until multiple things are sorted out behind the scenes. 
This is it in a nutshell sadly BO. I do realise this is a football forum and it's what people are going to want to talk about, but the fact is that currently any discussions about potential new managers and the merits or otherwise of various players / formations and so on, are totally moot.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 08:44:03
I think Garner would jump at the chance to come back with the way his career has nosedived.
I dont think its Garners side that has any issues....


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 08:44:34
Unfortunately, such are things at the moment that it doesn't really matter who is managing the club until multiple things are sorted out behind the scenes. 
This.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 09:01:45
I just can't believe that 40 years (40 years....where did that go?!?!?!?!)...after Lou Macari took over in the aftermath of the infamous 'Beamish Line' season, we've come full circle and we're essentially back where we started ...and I wouldn't argue with anyone who said we're actually worse off...I feel like the Macari/Ardiles/Hoddle etc years were just a dream...very, very sad...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 09:22:51
It’s the Swindon way. Any success we’ve had over the years has never been built upon. Owner after owner was shortsighted - make a few quid while we can, then get the hell out.

This club grinds you down.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 09:28:25
It does indeed. In the last 20 years there have been a lot of almost moments, that were swiftly followed by collapse. I'm thinking Wilson and Coopers play off defeat that both were followed with relegation quickly after, when the squads collapsed. PDC/Black obviously. Even Wellens promotion team a few years ago. Brief glimpses followed by disaster.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 09:29:51
I do wonder with Garner if he sided with Chorley in the disagreement over Zav Austin.

I can imagine him saying to Clem, if Chorley goes, so do I.
If that was the case I’d have a bit more respect for him, but would also suggest he wouldn’t come back if Zav is still around


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 09:43:20
Yeah, Zav was the reason Chorley left by all accounts.

Amazing how a matchday guest can have so much sway isnt it!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 09:57:27
Will he be sat in the DR stand as well?

At least we know he won't be in a suit. Bloke dresses like he's meeting a mate for a friday early evening pint at his local no matter what the occasion.

Now Iffy Onoura, there was a well dressed manager.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 10:00:43
We’d be stupid to have him back.

Not only did he do us dirty with the timing of talking to Charlton - he’s generally been shit everywhere else apart from 1 season here (and we were still shit at times that season)

Like in all seriousness - does anyone look at our current squad (granted it might look very different come August) & think, yeah Ben fucking Garner could get a decent tune of out of these players…

…because I do not.

Not a way to keep people from walking and protesting with their wallet, is it?

The club are so laughably disconnected with the fans its a comedy show. Razor Ruddock promoting the shite gig they've got as well. What next? Julian Alsop coaching the kids?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 10:09:30
It does indeed. In the last 20 years there have been a lot of almost moments, that were swiftly followed by collapse. I'm thinking Wilson and Coopers play off defeat that both were followed with relegation quickly after, when the squads collapsed. PDC/Black obviously. Even Wellens promotion team a few years ago. Brief glimpses followed by disaster.
It goes back even further than that...
93... if we'd shown a bit more ambition to Hoddle so that he'd stayed for the Prem season
90...best Town team I've personally seen live, gradually disintegrated following the illegal payments debacle
69...probably the best Town side ever...what if we'd built on it instead of breaking it up and selling it off


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: adje on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 10:23:30
Razor Ruddock promoting the shite gig they've got as well.
Really? Did not know that. That bloke should NEVER EVER be associated with this club ever again. That maybe a trivial thing but it's bloody riled me.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 10:29:14
Really? Did not know that. That bloke should NEVER EVER be associated with this club ever again. That maybe a trivial thing but it's bloody riled me.

We paid him £40 on Cameo and deleted it ten minutes later when it was politely pointed out that he wasn't the ideal hype man.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 10:37:04
I know Garner is out of work, but he's not an idiot and surely coming back here to manager the club in an even worse situation than when he left is a lose lose for him.

With that said, when he took the job on 3 years ago with only a few footballers in the building and post the Sheridan league 1 Covid season, times weren't great then so maybe he'd like another go under a different challenge.

Unfortunately, such are things at the moment that it doesn't really matter who is managing the club until multiple things are sorted out behind the scenes.  

Its a free hit though, isn't it? make it work and you're a genius. Fail and just tell everyone the clubs a basket case like Jody Morris.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 11:07:49
There is a risk of reputational damage though, especially if you got the tin tack from your last job.

That said, EFL jobs don't grow on trees.

Was never a massive Garner fan, but even if I were I'm not sure he's going to enjoy working under this recruitment model.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 11:10:12
Its a free hit though, isn't it? make it work and you're a genius. Fail and just tell everyone the clubs a basket case like Jody Morris.

I can see why you would say that, but he's now got 3 failed jobs on his CV (Bristol Rovers - can arguably be forgiven as it was his first rodeo) Charlton and Colchester. A third/fourth failure and he's potentially on the managerial scrapheap already regardless of how much of a basket case we are. I wonder if it's really worth it for him.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 11:22:04
Probably not. But then on the other hand, is he likely to get a manager/head coach job anywhere else? Probably last chance saloon or back to youth football (not that he ever left youth football with his style).


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 11:46:35
I wouldn't be entirely averse to a return for Garner.

Charlton were arguably a borderline basket case club with an eccentric ownership that didn't exactly back him in the window.
Colchester haven't exactly shot up the league since they got rid of him & if anything have deteriorated.

Yeah, sadly we are in a bottom feeding, barrel scraping phase of club history.
So what would be the bare minumim requirements to build a top 7 squad for next season, dodgy fonts for next home game board, unkempt Rolex, scruffy exterior & all of the other off pitch shite aside?

I'm thinking, in no particular order.
A. Adequate funding.
B. A manager for whom it all just clicks into place.
C. A recruitment strategy geared up to getting out of this league & the right person(s) to drive it.

Looks ok in written form but the reality is very different, even for clubs that have some intent to start with.
Single minded intent plus a bit of cleverness (nous) & a  dollop of luck.
The latter has saved us this season.
The owner needs to grow a big pair in the next 3 or 4 months but don't think that they want to.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 11:56:58
Why is this even being discussed?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 12:26:52
Why is this even being discussed?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Hope?
To keep the load of bollocks content up?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 12:45:17
Hope?
To keep the load of bollocks content up?
I think that normally looks after itself.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 12:58:47
Aye, that's true.

The New Beginnings thread will probably reach a 1000+ pages before the start of next season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 13:19:57
Garner would be the perfect man to bring is a Director of Football Operations, if you had any intent on actually investing in such a thing, which we do not.  In which case, utterly pointless.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RWB Robin on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 19:31:16
Luke Garrard gone from Boreham Wood. Poor season this season, but quite a lot on here have mentioned his name quite regularly.....


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 5, 2024, 13:08:14
Luke Garrard gone from Boreham Wood. Poor season this season, but quite a lot on here have mentioned his name quite regularly.....

Why would he ruin his growing ? reputation by coming here - who would want the stfc job at the present time - unless they are certifiable


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, April 5, 2024, 13:10:52
If he had no link to us i don't think many would be that interested. Are we really wanting a manager who is getting relegated from non league?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 5, 2024, 13:17:58
'Our' obsession with former players is odd. But I can see why some would want an up and coming manager from the non leagues.

I personally would prefer someone who has league experience, at least to guide them. I guess our new assistant fits that.

Truth is I've no idea what I want really under these conditions. Pretty sure it's not gunning


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 5, 2024, 14:13:47
Kevin Horlock is another doing mediocre in non league with with some FA Cup success mixed in.

Thing is if they're doing too good it rules them out as no fucking way we'd pay compo.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 5, 2024, 14:41:46
'Our' obsession with former players is odd. But I can see why some would want an up and coming manager from the non leagues.

I get people being keen on players who we liked / rated / had a good spell for Town but Garrard was a terrible player who most people probably don’t remember & those of us that do probably only remember him for his shit hair cut and throwing up in the side of the pitch before games…

Although - at a quick glance he’s seemingly done ok up till this season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 5, 2024, 15:41:51
I didn't think he was shit to be honest. Played alright in a couple of JPT games I seem to remember. Didn't really do anything outstanding but wasn't a bomb scare defender like we've seen this season both for and against us.

Just didn't really make the grade for a league one club and ended up carving out an ok conference career with Wimbledon.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, April 5, 2024, 15:55:50
'Our' obsession with former players is odd. But I can see why some would want an up and coming manager from the non leagues.

I personally would prefer someone who has league experience, at least to guide them. I guess our new assistant fits that.

Truth is I've no idea what I want really under these conditions. Pretty sure it's not gunning

Its difficult because so many different types have failed before. However it doesn't mean the type or model is wrong, its just shit people in the job.

I want a director of football who has lots of experience in the game, lots of contacts, and a plan. This is the role that can be more ex player focused in my opinion. Bodin made a decent pitch for this role at last nights premier league event.

Ref manager i want the following

1. Played league football, minimum at championship level (peak) but can have been a good league one player.
2. Someone who has been promoted as a player (if so as a manager great but unlikely for the market we are in)
3. Understands the young players of today, so possibly someone with some experience in coaching U23 for a premier league championship club. These players are going to make up a decent chunk of any team looking to develop assets (almost all clubs at our level).
4. Someone with a little charisma and leadership, both publicly and with the players. Must be coherent and a good communicator.

I do not give a shit about former player for the manager role. Its a bonus, but only if the player had a successful period with us. Garrard may as well be fucking Karl Robinson.

Morris came closest to this of the Clem appointments, (lacked point 4), and i still think with a transfer window that Lindsey/Flynn had, would have done alright.

I think a name that was rumored, and that i understand we definitely spoke to (pre Lindsey), was Crofts from Brighton, that would seem to have ticked the above boxes.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:00:41
The club had one thing right under Power as well. The team must be set up to play the 'correct' way, not a direct style. It can be successful at this level, its been proved many times. Wellens proved it twice with us and Orient!

It also allows you to build better relationships with the big teams who expect their loanees to play a certain way, and it allows us to develop players that fit in teams that play that way to make better transfer revenue.

I fundamentally disagree with the sometimes suggested approach of being practical to get out of league 2, you really don't have to do it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:02:25
1. Played league football, minimum at championship level (peak) but can have been a good league one player.



Rules out Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger then.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:04:16


Rules out Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger then.

Haha fair. Its interesting to think if we believe they could do the job at league 2 level? I'd kind of love one of them to take it on to prove it can be done, football manager style.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: adje on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:28:03
Our most successful managers of the last 40 years have been ex international players in their first managerial role. I, therefore propose Theo Walcott!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 10:04:38
Our most successful managers of the last 40 years have been ex international players in their first managerial role. I, therefore propose Theo Walcott!
I agree but the thing is we had Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, McMahon, Di Canio (B international) who all worked great as managers in their first role after finishing at the very top.

But each of those times they were appointed, excepting Macari probably, we were a far better proposion for a young aspiring managers. Ardiles, McMahon and Hoddle all took over when we were near our peak and Di Canio took us over in our first season back in Div 4.

Macari took us over after a couple of years languishing in Div 4 and transformed us in 2 seasons leading to our rise up the leagues.

Any new manager would look at us and TBH be utterly mad to consider coming here after the debacle of Morris's tenure and broken promises to him etc.

If we are sold then I am sure whoever does buy us would have his own man lined up ready to take over as manager and have a decent backroom team with him.

Thats something we have badly lacked in the last few years, probably since Di Canio who was the last manager to have a fully funded coaching/medical staff behind him.

As for an ex player, I have no need or urge to have an ex player in charge of us but if one does become available then fine, but I would not seek one specifically.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 10:27:30
How many ex internationals take a first managerial role in league 2 these days? Even without the club being a nut job

They generally don't need the cash or the aggro.

I know it was probably tongue in cheek but it does come up every now and again.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 13:56:49
How many ex internationals take a first managerial role in league 2 these days? Even without the club being a nut job

They generally don't need the cash or the aggro.

I know it was probably tongue in cheek but it does come up every now and again.

How many of them even take managerial jobs these days?

Now a days if they are sensible they earn enough from their playing day anyway & even if they didn’t they can easily get a nice cushy secure job talking shite on sky Sports and/or all the other channels available.

I mean David Prutton presents EFL stuff for Sky whilst sat on a sofa - which is still more movement & energy than I ever saw him exert on the pitch for us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 13:58:47
That’s the thing there’s more media outlets these days.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: adje on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 14:04:17
It was a frivolous suggestion


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 14:18:19
That’s the thing there’s more media outlets these days.

Not just that - more backroom jobs that keep them in football, in jobs but out of the pressure cooker.

30 year ago your post playing options were basically Manager, Assistant Manager, Reserve team manager or Youth team manager (and 30 years we had ex players with no qualifications in all those roles)


…which is why on a slight tangent I’d be interested to know what % of back room jobs are filled by black ex pros because we always see the fact there is a low % of black managers but maybe the black ex pros like other ex pros are filling these other jobs.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 14:26:09
Not just that - more backroom jobs that keep them in football, in jobs but out of the pressure cooker.

30 year ago your post playing options were basically Manager, Assistant Manager, Reserve team manager or Youth team manager (and 30 years we had ex players with. I qualifications in all those roles)


…which is why on a slight tangent I’d be interested to know what % of job room jobs are filled by black ex pros because we always see the fact there is a low % of black managers but maybe the black ex pros like other ex pros are filling these other jobs.



Good post. Also it’s noticeable that ex players aren’t interested in becoming referees.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:12:00


Good post. Also it’s noticeable that ex players aren’t interested in becoming referees.

Age limit, isn't there? Unless you retire early it's pointless.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:16:58
Age limit, isn't there? Unless you retire early it's pointless.

It used to be 48 but no limit now.
https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/EPL/EPL-referee-Mike-Dean-says-he-does-not-fear-bad-publicity/2189961#:~:text=%22The%20retirement%20age%20of%20a,focus%20will%20be%20on%20that.%E2%80%9D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:28:29
Even 48 is older than I thought it was


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:34:51
It’s a thankless job tho🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: fuzzy on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:42:47


Good post. Also it’s noticeable that ex players aren’t interested in becoming referees.

Looking at the way players treat referees sometimes, would you want to put yourself on the receiving end of the vitriol you used to dish out?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:44:27
Looking at the way players treat referees sometimes, would you want to put yourself on the receiving end of the vitriol you used to dish out?

Imagine Roy Keane as a referee😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: fuzzy on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:45:10
Imagine Roy Keane as a referee😁

He'd get arrested for violent conduct after a captain asked him to explain a decision.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:45:42
He'd get arrested for violent conduct after a captain asked him to explain a decision.

 :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 16:00:48
Just a thought do we currently have the youngest manager in the EFL🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 16:25:33
Just a thought do we currently have the youngest manager in the EFL🤔

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_R%C3%B6hl#:~:text=R%C3%B6hl%20began%20coaching%20at%20RB,in%20the%20English%20Football%20League


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 16:28:49
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_R%C3%B6hl#:~:text=R%C3%B6hl%20began%20coaching%20at%20RB,in%20the%20English%20Football%20League

Is older than Gav…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 16:30:25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_R%C3%B6hl#:~:text=R%C3%B6hl%20began%20coaching%20at%20RB,in%20the%20English%20Football%20League

Cheers Bob, Röhl will be 35 later this month Gunning only turned 33 in January.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 16:43:54
Is older than Gav…

Teach me to take Wiki as fact! I just googled youngest manager in EFL and that came up, don't trust all that you read on the Internet folks, do your research properly! :)

Actually he was youngest in October but obviously Gav was appointed after then so I assume becomes the youngest.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 16:44:57
Cheers Bob, Röhl will be 35 later this month Gunning only turned 33 in January.

Yeah, seems you might be right and Wiki/my inability to read and think properly is wrong. :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 16:49:51
Yeah, seems you might be right and Wiki/my inability to read and think properly is wrong. :)

Very rare Bob very rare :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 16:54:37
Very rare Bob very rare :)

Like hens teeth Jim! ;)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 17:27:30
Like hens teeth Jim! ;)



Or rocking horse shit😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, April 12, 2024, 08:23:38
Random one...

Derek Adams was in the area yesterday. He ended up at the Truro Vs Yeovil match held at Gloucester. Recently a free agent after leaving Ross County. Goes against Jamie Russell's style of play principles but someone effective with little to no budget.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, April 12, 2024, 08:33:05
Derek Adams is far too opinionated for Clem. He’d call out his bullshit within a couple of weeks.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:51:41
Derek Adams is far too opinionated for Clem. He’d call out his bullshit within a couple of weeks.
And has a win rate of 22.5% in his last 150 games in charge at Bradford, Ross County and Morecambe.

I know we are going to be looking at damaged goods if we appoint an experienced new manager but I would hope for someone with a better track record than him, hes also an arrogant arse, the Bradford fans absolutely hated him and is style.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 10:46:05
Derek Adams is far too opinionated for Clem. He’d call out his bullshit within a couple of weeks.

Has he been to Clems house though?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 16:09:20
Derek Adams as good as confirmed by Zav then.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 16:20:27
 :D
Ross County (third spell)
Adams left Morecambe to become Ross County manager for a third time in November 2023.[48] His first game in charge was a 0–0 draw.[49]
Adams received backlash in December following his post-match comments after losing at home to Dundee through a last-minute goal, in which he slammed the standard of Scottish football as being "shocking", calling the game "one of the worst games I've ever seen", and claiming his former team Morecambe were "miles better" than his Ross County squad, specifying that "I've left a side down in England's League Two that is miles better than this team. And that's saying something, we had the bottom budget in League Two and we were a hundred times better than this."[50] Adams would later stand by his comments regarding the standard of Scottish football, but admitted regret in his comparison to his former employer and apologised to his playing squad for the comment.[51]
Adams resigned from his position at Ross County on 7 February 2024, the day after a 5–0 defeat at Motherwell.[52]


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 16:31:32
Derek Adams as good as confirmed by Zav then.
:D :D

By someone who isn’t employed by the club or has anything to do with us  :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 16:33:27
The totally not Vice Chairman.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 16:37:19
Knows how to get out of League Two to be fair to him though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 20:04:42
Best bit with Adams is that he’s set his LinkedIn as ‘open to work’. I guess football is a business but amusing all the same a manager advertising their availability on there.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 20:10:43
I remember the story Bobby Gould told when he rang the county ground enquiring about the managers job and got through to Andy King ;D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 20:27:45
generally speaking I don't care too much for manager appointments anymore. there is no real science, it fits at one club and it doesn't at others.
However, does any appointment really matter at a club like ours currently in terms of recruitment strategy, budget, training facilities, coaching staff and boardroom management positions.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 20:35:34
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24251665.speculation-rife-manager-seen-watching-swindon-town/


Title: Re: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 22:02:34
However, does any appointment really matter at a club like ours currently in terms of recruitment strategy, budget, training facilities, coaching staff and boardroom management positions.

I think it was posh red that replied to my similar post. Said something like 'it might be the difference between league survival and relegation'.

On reflection I think he's right.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 07:23:46
I think it was posh red that replied to my similar post. Said something like 'it might be the difference between league survival and relegation'.

On reflection I think he's right.

It was indeed, even the addition of an experienced coach/assistant has made a difference, albeit the debacle at Sutton happened too


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Processed Beats on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 08:05:45
Adams seems to have achieved best when working under a budget (Morecambe, Ross County).

Doesn't seem to have fared so well at clubs with bigger budgets and higher expectations (Bradford, even Plymouth if you ask a lot of their fans).

Depends which way we go next season. If we continue to try and do things on a budget, it might be a shrewd appointment. If we are to 'go for it', it might not be.

He's certainly not a manager to endear himself to fans. His football is more pragmatic and safe than exciting, which could be what we need after this season's lack of defensive structure.

I still think we need a full restructure at the top of the football club truly see any kind of change.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 08:11:55
2 weeks ago he posted this on LinkedIn:



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 08:49:01
Gunning didn’t get past the first interview then.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 09:21:39
2 weeks ago he posted this on LinkedIn:



I wonder where that leaves Gunning & Shan*
Small sample size but Shan seems to have made an immediate difference.


*if indeed Adams post + being at the CG has anything to do with him becoming our manager. Let’s be honest it wouldn’t be the first time an out of work manager has been seen the CG and rumours have gone round he’s our new manager but he just lived locally & was taking in a game of football


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 10:11:00
2 weeks ago he posted this on LinkedIn:



If this is real, then it's kind of a red flag to me. Tell me a manager who has not immediately had a mate who they have worked with who they bring with them, especially as an assistant! Suggests he has not built up those relationships previously.

The guys has got out of this division before, but damn if I'm not remotely keen on having a pragmatic, confrontational manager with a terrible recent track record. If last seasons end of seasons appointment of Flynn was broadly considered a good move, there is no way this one will be.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 10:13:42
I would also say that from a quick twitter search it seems Adams was taking in lots of games all over the place recently.

This rumour seems to have been because it was attributed to Zavs chat with the protestor, but that's not actually mentioned anywhere.

So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's crap.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Kaufman on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 10:18:54
I would also say that from a quick twitter search it seems Adams was taking in lots of games all over the place recently.

This rumour seems to have been because it was attributed to Zavs chat with the protestor, but that's not actually mentioned anywhere.

So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's crap.

That was SN1insider doing his trolling. Jason lane confirmed that wasn’t said.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 10:50:41
I wonder where that leaves Gunning & Shan*
Small sample size but Shan seems to have made an immediate difference.


*if indeed Adams post + being at the CG has anything to do with him becoming our manager. Let’s be honest it wouldn’t be the first time an out of work manager has been seen the CG and rumours have gone round he’s our new manager but he just lived locally & was taking in a game of football
If he’s recruiting for a first team coach why wouldn’t he want Shan. Maybe Shan is  there now in ‘preparation’ mode.

Tbh, most anything is better than the Gunning solo shit show.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 10:51:21
Is Adams preferable to Gunning? Absolutely, on the basis he is a football manager with some sporadic success.

Is he what I would like to see? God no. Surely the idea is that you fit a manager to a club, and what you can realistically recruit. This extract is like a description of an anti-Swindon manager:

Writing about Adams’ final season at Home Park, for Argyle Life, Nick Saunders Smith revealed, “It has been apparent for some time that Adams was far from a tactical genius. He was a manager more inclined to force pegs into holes that suited his tactical approach than one who could and would produce a game-plan superior to his opponents or select a team that was specifically designed to compliment the players’ individual qualities. He was far from inept in this regard – he would never had made it this far otherwise – but there have been far too many occasions in which he has been outwitted by his rivals.”

The underlying stats of Morecambe’s remarkable season further suggest that Adams is not a man who likes to play lots of attractive football, and instead be more direct. Morecambe had the lowest average possession in the whole of League Two and the second lowest pass completion, behind only Carlisle.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 10:54:51
At this point I'd just settle for someone keeping us in the league until the club is sold. I'm not watching anyway, so who cares if its unattractive. As long as we're not starting from non league when we finally get new ownership.......i guess it'll do *sigh*.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 10:55:12
There are more than a few on here who’ve stated they’d accept any old shit on the pitch if it was successful.

That may be being put to the test.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: UTR on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 11:08:14
Flynn was meant to be the League Two experienced manager who was going to come in, bring in some experienced units through the spine of the team to compliment our “fall over in the wind” technical players and get us playing a more balanced style (structured and well drilled) for this division. For whatever reason (whether through budget or otherwise) that didn’t transpire, our first signing was a kid GK with limited football league experience (who tbf to him was okay) which after hearing a spiel on “needing to add an experienced spine” should have been our first sign to where this was heading and went full steam ahead into kamikaze type football.

If Adams is the man and comes in and actually delivers on the above, brings in some more experience and steel to compliment the younger talent and gets us well drilled and structured which will get us results then whilst I wouldn’t be over the moon at the appointment, I could get behind it if it gets us out of this division. The long term plan would still be non existent and we’d probably come back down quick.

Now, that’s all with the assumption that it is within a well functioning football club, which we are not, so they might as well stick the kit men in the dugout as no matter who is in there, our long term direction remains the same downward spiral.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 11:25:49
If this is real, then it's kind of a red flag to me. Tell me a manager who has not immediately had a mate who they have worked with who they bring with them, especially as an assistant! Suggests he has not built up those relationships previously.

The guys has got out of this division before, but damn if I'm not remotely keen on having a pragmatic, confrontational manager with a terrible recent track record. If last seasons end of seasons appointment of Flynn was broadly considered a good move, there is no way this one will be.


Perhaps his usual entourage are employed else where…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 11:42:11
No thanks to Adams.

You can get out of this league playing a good brand of football. Wellens has done it twice. Plenty of examples over the past few years too.

You just need some solid foundations, a structure and the means to mix it up where necessary.





Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 12:21:34
https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/derek-uncle-fester-adams.7655/


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: cdakev on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 12:50:34
I hope not. Nothing to get excited about there.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 12:53:31
I can't see any manager appointment getting me excited.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 12:54:39
It’s not like the good old days🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 13:23:48
I’m not really sure what fans expect? They want a manager with experience and they want a manager with promotions on his CV. He ticks both these boxes and is still a fairly young manager. We’re in League Two, lowest league in the EFL, the managers that are in League Two have very mixed successes on their CV, some failures some successes. let’s not forget that Ritchie Wellens was a failure before joining us, and even failed, post Swindon at Salford and Doncaster. My point is a manager with two promotions from this league shouldn’t be looked down upon and it’s better than what you’ve gone for recently.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 15:10:56
I'm not excited at the prospect but the reality of where we are and my expectations haven't yet met.

Wellens appointment finally taught me to wait and see how it actually goes. There's a massive job to do and getting it right first time under these conditions is going to be tough for anyone.

However I'd be happier if his gob hadn't flapped while in the land of the sweaties. Also his recent record is pretty poor. Hence why my response is muted.

I think I'd be happier if they gave it to Shan. It's never that easy.

But yeah, if it happens got to suck it and see. I'm slowly getting there that we are in survival/fire fighting mode.

Hopefully Clem and especially the motley crew fuck off and pass it on to someone competent soon


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 16:23:21
I don't need to like the manager or style of play. As long as we can stay in the league until that motley crew fuck off,  that is the beginning and end of my aspirations...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 17:54:39
Would Adams be our most successful (in terms of managerial career pre-swindon) appointment since....Wilson?

2 Promotions from this league plus another into the Scottish Prem (equal standard) - albeit getting on for 10+ years since his heyday and last few roles gone poorly.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 18:43:25
I don't need to like the manager or style of play. As long as we can stay in the league until that motley crew fuck off,  that is the beginning and end of my aspirations...

This.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 08:43:26
Rumour has it, Clem and Mad Gav bonded at Clem's house over their mutual love of this book. They read half each and had a whale of a time.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 10:03:37
There’ll be a communique after the Eric game stating that there is a committee looking at all options for the first team managers job. After that there will be a wall of silence. Mad Gav will be offered the job two weeks before the seasons starts.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: adje on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 10:18:36
Rumour has it, Clem and Mad Gav bonded at Clem's house over their mutual love of this book. They read half each and had a whale of a time.
Love that😅


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, April 26, 2024, 08:26:41
Listening to LSPOD presser i'm shocked on their views on Gunning? Are they in the minority?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Friday, April 26, 2024, 08:37:36
Listening to LSPOD presser i'm shocked on their views on Gunning? Are they in the minority?

I havent listened yet, what was said?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 26, 2024, 08:41:06
I think the gist (not direct quotes) would be that Gunning isn't completely useless and that the manager isn't the problem at the moment. It's basically the Flynn discussion again.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 26, 2024, 08:53:41
I agree the manager isn't the main problem but Gunning is a fucking tool of the highest order


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 26, 2024, 08:56:52
I agree the manager isn't the main problem but Gunning is a fucking tool of the highest order

I enjoyed him saying he was listening to Tim Sherwood on a Podcast this week complaining about young people not wanting to work hard enough. It's absolutely microtargeted to wind me up, fair play to the guy.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 26, 2024, 09:15:08
I agree the manager isn't the main problem but Gunning is a fucking tool of the highest order
This.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, April 26, 2024, 09:18:45
I agree the manager isn't the main problem but Gunning is a fucking tool of the highest order
This.
Agreed


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, April 26, 2024, 09:36:52
The suggestion seemed to be that Gunning could work if the rest of the set up was better.

I think Gunning is very much part of the set up and the people who have screwed us up. Nothing he has done as manager in 17 games has given any indication he could be part of as successful set up.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, April 26, 2024, 10:10:17
It’s telling that we are all ambivalent about a managerial appointment, because whilst Gunning would be a catastrophic appointment, he’s of a far higher calibre than our owners.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 26, 2024, 11:37:43
I enjoyed him saying he was listening to Tim Sherwood on a Podcast this week complaining about young people not wanting to work hard enough. It's absolutely microtargeted to wind me up, fair play to the guy.

Superb, I didn't think I could actually like him less but there it is


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Berniman on Friday, April 26, 2024, 14:52:29
Listening to LSPOD presser i'm shocked on their views on Gunning? Are they in the minority?

I just listened to this and the LSPOD are saying exactly the same as most of us have on here over recent weeks.  The subject of a new manager or not is nonsensical unless things get sorted out above with the club management and budget.  I have said a few times, you could appoint Pep, Mr Blobby or Gavin Gunning as manager, but with the current structure, strategy and budget it makes zero difference whatsoever.

What they did say about Gunning is that the position of manager whether Gunning or not, is less important than the above and that a change of manager alone would not be enough to convince ST holders to sign back up.  Change the hierarchy/strategy but keep Gunning would be more accepted than do nothing with the hierachy/strategy and change the manager.

I.e. Appointing Gunning or not, is not the most important decision that needs to be made to change the perception of the fans or the fortune of the club.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 08:18:49
Now the season is over, im presuming GG gets the gig.

However, if he doesnt, which 3 choices would you have on a shortlist?

I’ll start.

Mike Duff - unlikely but lives local still i believe

Andy Whing - Solihull Moors - done a great job there with limitied resoucres - in NL Playoff final and Fa Trophy final this season

Mark Bonner - Got Cambridge promoted and kept them up before leaving this season


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Family at War on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 08:28:37
Andy Whing for me. Did a great job at Banbury as well even though he was a yellow.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 08:58:16
I dunno - ideally someone who’s gonna bin off 3 CBs & wing backs.

With the players we have and using some creative license I’d be looking to go 4231 next season with the following

GK:
Bycroft
Evans

RB:
Dokes
McGregor

CB:
New Player
New Player
New Player
Minturn
(Hunt out on loan)

LB:
Kokolo
New Player / Maybe Johnson?

CM:
Oforborh
New Player
New Player
McEacheran

AMR:
El Bouzedi
New Player

AMC:
McGurk
New Player

AML:
New Player
New Player

ST:
Drinan
Glatzel
New Player

…that’s roughly 2 per position plus an extra ST & CB although that might be too big of a squad for us. Also a chance some players I’ve kept go (or don’t come back) and some I’ve binned stay…

Any U18s turning pro I’d like to see out on loan apart from maybe Evans as back up keeper & McGregor who looks the part to me already.

Whing looks an intriguing choice despite being an ex scummer. Not sure he’d fancy the step down though…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 10:27:10
McGregor as 2nd choice right back if the season started tomorrow would be a bit of a disaster. Isn't he a winger currently playing wing back? he's done well don't get me wrong, but if we are to use him in the full squad next season I'd rather it was as a versatile 'bonus' option rather than being 2nd choice in our back 4. Then again with how our budget is going to look, you could end up being right.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 10:53:39
McGregor as 2nd choice right back if the season started tomorrow would be a bit of a disaster. Isn't he a winger currently playing wing back? he's done well don't get me wrong, but if we are to use him in the full squad next season I'd rather it was as a versatile 'bonus' option rather than being 2nd choice in our back 4. Then again with how our budget is going to look, you could end up being right.



Bearing in mind UGM played more minutes than anyone else this season by some distance, if our biggest problem with squad composition next season is our backup right back I'll be delighted!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 11:10:58
McGregor as 2nd choice right back if the season started tomorrow would be a bit of a disaster. Isn't he a winger currently playing wing back? he's done well don't get me wrong, but if we are to use him in the full squad next season I'd rather it was as a versatile 'bonus' option rather than being 2nd choice in our back 4. Then again with how our budget is going to look, you could end up being right.



Tbh I’ve not seen enough of McGregor to know if he’s more a winger pushed back slightly to wingback or a right back pushed slightly further up to play wing back.

He’s looked competent both going forward & defending.
If he really is a winger rather than a wing back then you could play him as the advanced AMR


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: adje on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 18:59:12
I know I'm in the minority but I think Devoy would be a useful squad player for us


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 19:01:17
If we want to continue feeding down the bottom of this Division, then I guess he would be OK.  I wouldn't lose sleep over any of the central midfielders leaving us to be honest.  You can maybe have one, two max, in your squad, but only if you have three or four ahead of them.  They are all nice to haves not players you need to get a balanced squad competing at the top of this league.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 19:02:28
This is the Manager thread, so I'll also say that Gunning should be let go from the club, if anyone inside it actually had any ideas of running it properly.  The fact he was put in charge of PR's for the loan players says it all really.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 19:20:47
Alan Nixon saying Derek Adams in frame for STFC job



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RJack on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 19:36:32
Alan Nixon saying Derek Adams in frame for STFC job


Christ hope he knows that he'll be working for a circus not a football club. Poor bugger if he does take the job is all I can say.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 19:38:23
Frying pan and fire spring to mind.

But, our loan manager has lowered expectations somewhat!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 19:40:31
Alan Nixon saying Derek Adams in frame for STFC job



I’d be happy with this. Two L2 promotions on his CV. Probably has a point to prove after his previous two jobs.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 20:16:49
Adams would be unexcitingly competent.

Still not get me reaching for my wallet re ST renewal though. Root and branch reform needed. Drastic surgery .


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Lethbridge70 on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 20:22:52
Adams career win % is 39.2% I would be happy,especially if it’s him or Gunning!

However I am of the opinion,that working under the current incumbent could make little difference at all and we need a complete shake up from top to bottom,before this club trends upwards..


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: LucienSanchez on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 20:40:57
Getting Flynn vibes… not impressed. Also makes no difference if we sign the same types of players again.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 20:45:04
Adams really doesn't seem to be a guy who would toe the company line. It would be a weird and potentially explosive appointment from that point of view.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 21:02:56
Really not convinced, will obviously back the manager if it is him, but from afar. Another season ticket holder who has no interest in renewing with the current set up.

Just feeling really disillusioned with the club, I don't trust this board to back any manager correctly. There is no plan and we're starting from scratch every year and it's getting worse every time.

The big appointment will be someone who knows how to run a football club, but they cost money and instead we have a plumber who comes back occasionally to oversee fuck up after fuck up, with who knows what else lurking in the shadows.

Really sad state and just waiting for the next admin error, court case, charge and/or embarrassment. We're a National League club in waiting with this current lot.





Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 21:08:44
Adams really doesn't seem to be a guy who would toe the company line. It would be a weird and potentially explosive appointment from that point of view.

Maybe there isn't much of a company line to toe?

I mean we all think we know/assume whats going on, but there is the very real alternative that the people working there are just incompetent. I mean by that i'm sure the budget has been cut, but damn if the budget wasn't spent badly last season, the number of players that were out or barely played.

These guys never played for example

Clayton
Uwakwe
Devine
Johnson
Genesini (assume he was paid peanuts though)
Dworzak (same as above)
Adeloye

Thats what ~6 wasted wages for the season?

Not defending the club, but what 4 of those are considered first teamers, that makes a hell of a difference if they were fit, challenging players. Wasted loans for that Burnley lad and Harry, i assume both were cheap, but who knows.

I think even with a shit budget (not bottom 6 budget), we should be doing a hell of a lot better.

Adams having got Morecombe promoted, with 4 promotions on his CV, doesn't excite me at all bizarrely, but maybe its what we need.




Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: pewshamrobin on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 21:15:29
Adams is not the answer, but with the current ownership mismanagement of the club we have much bigger issues than a further poor manager choice. I wont be renewing my season ticket as are the three others in my group of mates, this has echoes of the Power regime. Clem clearly doesnt know how to run a football club and continues to employs previous axis employees like Hall with not a clue on football.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, April 28, 2024, 21:50:03
If Adam’s or whoever wants to take on the poisoned chalice then fair play. I just hope however it is gets the support from the club and it works out.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 29, 2024, 07:23:50
What if the tactic was to get everyone to not be excited during early bird prices and then pull a good manager and load of signings out of the hat so people feel motivated to get a season ticket but at full price  :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 29, 2024, 08:27:40
Adams or Gunning? if thats the only option then its Adams all the way as long as he can bring in his own backroom staff and medical staff (importantly).

He wouldnt be my choice but hes a decent track record In L2 even if he upsets fans along the way, speaks his mind but is dour and grumpy, where as Gunning is thick as mince.

Not massively inspiring but better than Gunning and with a track record better than Flynn.

Clem wants Gunning, Keily and co want Adams. Battle of wills as to who gets the final say in magaer appointments.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 29, 2024, 08:32:06
Adams or Gunning? if thats the only option then its Adams all the way as long as he can bring in his own backroom staff and medical staff (importantly).

He wouldnt be my choice but hes a decent track record In L2 even if he upsets fans along the way, speaks his mind but is dour and grumpy, where as Gunning is thick as mince.

Not massively inspiring but better than Gunning and with a track record better than Flynn.

Clem wants Gunning, Keily and co want Adams. Battle of wills as to who gets the final say in magaer appointments.

And the fans ideally don’t want either.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 29, 2024, 08:35:16
And the fans ideally don’t want either.

Like being on the firing squad with a choice of a bow and arrow or crossbow.

Hope you are well by the way.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 29, 2024, 08:35:55
I genuinly feel indifferent about any manager name that comes into the frame, because in my mind it does not matter, they are being hired to fail.  Start hearing names of credible backroom/business management appointments and only then will i start to consider whether or not a manager will be a good fit for the club - the answer for any appointment under the current environment is no.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 29, 2024, 08:38:25
Adams or Gunning? if thats the only option then its Adams all the way as long as he can bring in his own backroom staff and medical staff (importantly).

He wouldnt be my choice but hes a decent track record In L2 even if he upsets fans along the way, speaks his mind but is dour and grumpy, where as Gunning is thick as mince.

Not massively inspiring but better than Gunning and with a track record better than Flynn.

Clem wants Gunning, Keily and co want Adams. Battle of wills as to who gets the final say in magaer appointments.

As always great to catch up Saturday.
I even struggled to get off my seat to celebrate the goals. This is what Clem has done and taken away the love I have for the Club.
Totally pissed off with it. The sooner this lot fuck off for good then we might just get some enjoyment back. As for Gunning 🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 29, 2024, 08:40:48
I genuinly feel indifferent about any manager name that comes into the frame, because in my mind it does not matter, they are being hired to fail.  Start hearing names of credible backroom/business management appointments and only then will i start to consider whether or not a manager will be a good fit for the club - the answer for any appointment under the current environment is no.

Sadly spot on.
I look at how Orient are running as a Club, direction, strategy, engagement and above all togetherness.
We have fuck all and the next Manager will soon realise the Club and the cancerous state it is in.
The worst I have ever felt.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, April 29, 2024, 08:42:23


Clem wants Gunning, Keily and co want Adams. Battle of wills as to who gets the final say in magaer appointments.
Is that what you've heard or more the conclusion you've drawn from looking from the outside?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, April 29, 2024, 09:06:37
A tough job for anyone to take on.

A restart every season, with us getting worse in the process.

Its an awful feeling.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 29, 2024, 09:20:17
Clem wants Gunning, Keily and co want Adams. Battle of wills as to who gets the final say in magaer appointments.

Clearly Adams is the best of the two, says it all that Clem (who has demonstrated that he knows jack shit about how to run a football club) wants Gunning


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 29, 2024, 09:22:07
Get ‘em both in as joint managers.

Would at least make the sidelines entertaining…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 29, 2024, 09:39:28
Clearly Adams is the best of the two, says it all that Clem (who has demonstrated that he knows jack shit about how to run a football club) wants Gunning

I was about to post something similar. Say what you like about Keily, at least he seems to have some kind of football brain in his head. Clem seems to just want mates that have been to his house in the dugout, which is frankly pathetic.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, April 29, 2024, 09:56:31
Get ‘em both in as joint managers.

Would at least make the sidelines entertaining…

Gunning shouting "listen" multiple times to Adams


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 29, 2024, 09:57:22
I was about to post something similar. Say what you like about Keily, at least he seems to have some kind of football brain in his head. Clem seems to just want mates that have been to his house in the dugout, which is frankly pathetic.

…are we sure Adams has no previous links to Kiely?
Seems you can play 6 degrees of separation (well more like 2) with most of the people that come into the club.

I assume they’ll be an agent link somewhere.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, April 29, 2024, 10:04:26
I would love to hear Morfuni's arguments in favour of Gunning. Where do you start? Comically clueless isn't he.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 29, 2024, 10:35:31
I was about to post something similar. Say what you like about Keily, at least he seems to have some kind of football brain in his head. Clem seems to just want mates that have been to his house in the dugout, which is frankly pathetic.

To be fair to Gunning he's a bit more than that. He has at least played the game and done some of his coaching badges.

Its about getting the best man for the job though . So your point stands


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 29, 2024, 10:47:03
To be fair to Gunning he's a bit more than that. He has at least played the game and done some of his coaching badges.

Its about getting the best man for the job though . So your point stands

Yeah, that's fair enough Batch. Gunning isn't as wet behind the ears in football terms as say, Anthony Hall for example.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Monday, April 29, 2024, 12:36:10
Before the manager (or Head Coach) is appointed then there needs to be a shake up all over the club and then bring the new manager in - after announcing the changes and how what happened this season can not happen again - although judging by Clems program notes he thinks everything is fine


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 29, 2024, 13:13:27
Is that what you've heard or more the conclusion you've drawn from looking from the outside?
I was told this, no conclusions from me, no speculation on my part, thats as I have heard it is.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:25:59
Get ‘em both in as joint managers.

Would at least make the sidelines entertaining…

They could manage a single half of each match. Coin flip for who gets first choice of first/second half.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:27:55
Garner’s still available😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:32:34
Garner’s still available😁
And still will be until an academy job comes up, nowhere near good enough to manage a 1st team as he has shown.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:33:53
Adver bloke:

A lot of speculation has been garnered about who will be the next Swindon manager - regardless of who it’ll be, they’ve got a hard job ahead of them.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:34:45
Adver bloke:

A lot of speculation has been garnered about who will be the next Swindon manager - regardless of who it’ll be, they’ve got a hard job ahead of them.

No flies on him, are there?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:37:13
It was quite interesting that our opponents from Saturday were Morecambe and apparently all of their players are out of contract at the end of the season. If we do get Adams as manager, it would be interesting to see how many freebies from Morecambe he tries to bring in.

With that said, I thought Flynn would bring in quite a few ex-Walsall and only managed Kinsella, although allegedly tried for a few more. (Demetriou, Danny Johnson 2 that come to mind)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:37:32
They could manage a single half of each match. Coin flip for who gets first choice of first/second half.

Half the team each.
Adams sets up the keeper, defence and defensive midfielders
Gav sets up the attacking midfielders & strikers.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:38:15
No flies on him, are there?

I think you’ve missed the Garner bit….


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:39:34
Adver bloke:

A lot of speculation has been garnered about who will be the next Swindon manager - regardless of who it’ll be, they’ve got a hard job ahead of them.

Interesting choice of words.  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:44:20
I think you’ve missed the Garner bit….

Well there is that...

If we were deciding between Garner, Gunning and Derek Adams that is three very different football managers. Almost like there are competing opinions behind the scenes at the club!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:47:28
Seems Mr wood was oblivious to his own clue


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:48:46
Well there is that...

If we were deciding between Garner, Gunning and Derek Adams that is three very different football managers. Almost like there are competing opinions behind the scenes at the club!

Who would you pick out of those three?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 29, 2024, 14:51:20
Who would you pick out of those three?

It's not a great game of Shag, Marry, Kill is it?

I think I'd probably say Adams but none inspire me with any great hope. If Garner came bundled with Chorley, then Garner.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Monday, April 29, 2024, 15:00:11
It's not a great game of Shag, Marry, Kill is it?

I think I'd probably say Adams but none inspire me with any great hope. If Garner came bundled with Chorley, then Garner.

Ben Chorley's post Swindon career has been an odd one. He’s currently SD of Valenciennes, who have just been relegated from Ligue 2. It not gone well for him at all this season and could be out of the job soon.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 29, 2024, 15:01:03
It's not a great game of Shag, Marry, Kill is it?

I think I'd probably say Adams but none inspire me with any great hope. If Garner came bundled with Chorley, then Garner.

PMSL


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, April 29, 2024, 15:08:53
And still will be until an academy job comes up, nowhere near good enough to manage a 1st team as he has shown.

Garner over Gunning for me but not sure about Adam’s. Ideally someone who hasn’t been mentioned!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 29, 2024, 15:28:57
Garner over Gunning for me but not sure about Adam’s. Ideally someone who hasn’t been mentioned!
Fucking hell I would pick Sheridan over Gunning and hes my least favourite town manager ever.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, April 29, 2024, 15:30:10
Fucking hell I would pick Sheridan over Gunning and hes my least favourite town manager ever.
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, April 29, 2024, 15:40:49
Fucking hell I would pick Sheridan over Gunning and hes my least favourite town manager ever.

I’m sure Gunning has his admirers even if it isn’t us😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Monday, April 29, 2024, 15:45:04
I’m sure Gunning has his admirers even if it isn’t us😁

Can we hunt them down and brand them so we know to ignore all other opinions they have as well?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 29, 2024, 15:55:04
Can we hunt them down and brand them so we know to ignore all other opinions they have as well?
:nod:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Outletred on Monday, April 29, 2024, 17:30:07
It makes zero difference who the manager is the problem as we all know is with the owners

Until we wake up to this then the decline will continue and we all know which way things are heading….


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 29, 2024, 17:33:33
Adams really doesn't seem to be a guy who would toe the company line. It would be a weird and potentially explosive appointment from that point of view.

How long till he's openly pissed off with what a shambles we are? Morris was laughing at how we didn't have assistant sorted after about a month.....so that is probably the over/under.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 29, 2024, 17:44:44
Adams or Gunning? if thats the only option then its Adams all the way as long as he can bring in his own backroom staff and medical staff (importantly).

He wouldnt be my choice but hes a decent track record In L2 even if he upsets fans along the way, speaks his mind but is dour and grumpy, where as Gunning is thick as mince.

Not massively inspiring but better than Gunning and with a track record better than Flynn.

Clem wants Gunning, Keily and co want Adams. Battle of wills as to who gets the final say in magaer appointments.

If its Adams i'll hold off lumping on us to go down but that is the best I can say about it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 29, 2024, 17:48:58
I imagine the preparation for selling the club vision to a prospective new manager to be a bit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txEbV9A415E


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 29, 2024, 18:00:07
I would love to hear Morfuni's arguments in favour of Gunning. Where do you start? Comically clueless isn't he.

We heard it. Been to his house. End of discussion.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 29, 2024, 18:00:56
I was told this, no conclusions from me, no speculation on my part, thats as I have heard it is.

Could have sworn we've heard before Gunning was Kielys man too though. Hard to know what to believe.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 17:18:12
Heard it’s not Gunning and to expect announcement tomorrow


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 17:22:24
Interesting.

Welcome Derek Adams


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: bathford on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 17:27:49
Heard it’s not Gunning and to expect announcement tomorrow

As I mentioned a few days ago. Clem flies home today, so I’m assuming from what he said it’s sorted.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 17:28:56
I thought I read on here it was going to be Gunning🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 17:39:10
Heard it’s not Gunning and to expect announcement tomorrow

Please don’t give us hope.

A Sunday announcement - I won’t hold my breath but I hope you’re right.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: newmarket red on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 17:45:26
Interesting.

Welcome Derek Adams
i hope not


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 17:47:29
i hope not

A bloke with 4 promotions on his cv can't be worse than gunning can it?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 18:07:53
Must stress this isn’t ITK I’m just repeating what I’ve been told


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 18:31:11
Hopefully it’s true. And if it is I hope Gunning is completely let go as he’ll be like a scorned ex and wouldn’t be healthy at all to have him lurking in the background.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 18:33:22
I did my usual 4-team acca winning the leagues

Leicester, Pompey, Chesterfield and . . .

. . . You guessed it - fucking Swindon.

Out of the supposed candidates - none of them fill me with optimism. Certainly not enough to part with my hard earned for a couple of STs.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob1978 on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 18:48:14
Must stress this isn’t ITK I’m just repeating what I’ve been told

Told by who? Someone down the pub or someone at the club?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Kaufman on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 18:49:19
Heard it’s not Gunning and to expect announcement tomorrow


We get your source’s email address if they’re wrong right?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 18:56:20
LS Pod (👋) still think it's gunning.

Nobody knows until it's done I suppose


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob1978 on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 18:58:46
LS Pod (👋) still think it's gunning.

Nobody knows until it's done I suppose

That’s based on nothing though. I think Rich just wants to be pleasantly surprised when it’s not.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 18:59:05
About time we had another Tim Sherwood announcement :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 19:11:53
Gunning first team manager

Adams loan manager / coaching at Clem's house

Coming soon


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:03:45
This is fun. We have people who have been told its Gunning, and people who have been told it isn't!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:07:57
No one ever tells me anything.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:17:01
It’s better that way you can’t get it wrong :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:17:46
I'm Spartacus.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:33:29
This is fun. We have people who have been told its Gunning, and people who have been told it isn't!

50/50 then or evens.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:34:27
Clem Morfuni knows jack shit about football. So will be surprised if the new manager is anyone but Gunning.

The fact he is on his 6th manager in 3 years says how incompetent the clown is running a football club


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:38:31
Clem Morfuni knows jack shit about football. So will be surprised if the new manager is anyone but Gunning.

The fact he is on his 6th manager in 3 years says how incompetent the clown is running a football club
But is there anyone else who’s been to his house ??.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:53:05
But is there anyone else who’s been to his house ??.
The postman...a DHL courier... Jehovah's witness...pizza delivery?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, May 4, 2024, 20:55:52
Clem Morfuni knows jack shit about football. So will be surprised if the new manager is anyone but Gunning.

The fact he is on his 6th manager in 3 years says how incompetent the clown is running a football club
I think we have to be a bit objective here.

On the face of it, Garner was potentially a good appointment. A risk, but he had backing and was given a decent set of players. Losing in the play offs was disappointing as the team was probably good enough to go up.

Lyndsey was a cheap appointment, and we probably got rid of him too quickly. He has done very well at Crawley with a limited budget. Having said that, some of the football we were playing at the end of his tenure was awful!

Morris was hailed by many. A total disaster, but made worse by the fact that his only decent defender was sold and not properly replaced. Then, it appeared as if he really wasn’t trying before he was sacked!

Flynn seemed a good appointment. What a start! Then he couldn’t get the defence right. But, bizarrely, he wasn’t given the recruits from January to turn things around.

Mad Gav. Rumours he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Players who were doing well before dropped off a cliff. Last years PotS seemed to be sidelined (to LB) and has now gone. As has McEachran, who with 59, looked as good as Kinsella (who we let go and was consistently in contention for MotM every game for Chelters in L1.

I think the problem is that there are too many dodgy people squeezing money out of the club. Everything is being done on the cheap. Fix that and we might have a chance of rebuilding. But right now, you could bring in Klopp and he wouldn’t be able to compete with U18s.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:03:48
Clem Morfuni knows jack shit about football. So will be surprised if the new manager is anyone but Gunning.

The fact he is on his 6th manager in 3 years says how incompetent the clown is running a football club

I imagine going through 6 managers in 3 years isn’t too far off the norm these days…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:09:44
Up early for any early Announcement :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:10:44
Sunday seems a weird day to make an announcement to me, at least


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:12:27
Agree, Sunday seems an odd day to announce a new manager Tuesday onwards seems more reasonable but with STFC you just never know.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:22:32
I mean we live in a 24/7/365 media world - so I don’t see why you couldn’t announce something on a Sunday - everyone would still be fully aware of it


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:23:29
I've heard John McGreal is coming back for a glorious second spell. He loved it here the first time around so couldn't resist.

First signing will be Kieron Freeman from Oldham.

On the Sunday thing, and very much doubt its the reason, but would be Monday Australian time. Bonzer!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:27:45
Here is an absolutely random rumour I got told yesterday.

We are after the manager of one of the Chelsea youth teams, no names were mentioned, but thought I’d share.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:34:51
Here is an absolutely random rumour I got told yesterday.

We are after the manager of one of the Chelsea youth teams, no names were mentioned, but thought I’d share.
Ed Brand returning Royal Rumble style would be quite something.

In all seriousness the U21 Manager Mark Robinson previously managed Wimbledon in League One so could be a target, but imagine he's paid more handsomely now than he would be here.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:37:19
Alan Nixon has a story on us today. You'd have to assume it'll be manager based.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 06:38:53
I mean we live in a 24/7/365 media world - so I don’t see why you couldn’t announce something on a Sunday - everyone would still be fully aware of it

It could also be to bury the news. Sunday on a bank holiday weekend, lessens the immediate impact of whatever nonsense they are planning.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 07:12:21
It could also be to bury the news. Sunday on a bank holiday weekend, lessens the immediate impact of whatever nonsense they are planning.

Maybe but does it really?
I know TEF isn’t the be all & end all but how many TEFs won’t come on at all over the bank holiday weekend (same for those who get their media from Facebook or Twitter or WhatsApp groups etc)

If anything you would have put football related news out yesterday to lose it under Ipswich getting promoted, Leeds conspiracies about how EFL want to keep them in the Championship & Birmingham getting relegated after previously being 5th but then deciding to sack their manager and appointing Rooney & the manager that they sacked keeping his new club up at their expense

Add in another couple of debatable penalties for the two title contenders & Haaland smashing in 4

….bottom half L2 team appoint manager gets lost in the football headlines


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 07:17:47
Nixon's patron headline is Adams in Swindon talks.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 07:58:53
No flies on Alan Nixon is there


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 07:59:32
Is that Grizzly or Victoria?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 08:03:03
Is that Grizzly or Victoria?
Sweet Fanny maybe


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Family at War on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 08:09:05
Does that mean we get the Adams family as well!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 08:19:37
Here is an absolutely random rumour I got told yesterday.

We are after the manager of one of the Chelsea youth teams, no names were mentioned, but thought I’d share.
This was rumoured a while back, the name I heard is young(ish) ex England international with no manager experience, he was top of our list before Gunning was appointed and a name that could divide the fanbase if it comes off.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 08:29:09
Does that mean we get the Adams family as well!

If they get rid of the hangers on I’d be happy with that


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 08:34:07
This was rumoured a while back, the name I heard is young(ish) ex England international with no manager experience, he was top of our list before Gunning was appointed and a name that could divide the fanbase if it comes off.

To be fair I’d image Kieran McKenna would have probably split the fan base if we’d have appointed him before he went to Ipswich.

I’m getting close to the “Anyone But Gunning” camp, we know he’s not good, anyone else might not be either but at least we have some hope until we find out they are crap too :)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 08:57:56
Is that Grizzly or Victoria?

Good.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 08:58:12
Sweet Fanny maybe

Better.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 09:18:34
I assume nobody pays for Nixons patron to see if there is much detail in his story.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 09:30:42
Just says Adams is in talks i think


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 09:39:10
STFC Twitter…. Announcement tomorrow


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 09:42:08
Just says Adams is in talks i think

He has basically turned himself into Club call, I hope his patreon page looks like old school teletext.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 10:16:38
STFC Twitter…. Announcement tomorrow

What page said this?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 11:04:04
https://twitter.com/SwindonClub/status/1787021933390844369?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 11:13:10
That’s Matthew Walkers account. An attention seeker who knows absolutely fuck all.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 11:15:14
That’s Matthew Wankers account. An attention seeker who knows absolutely fuck all.
Corrected for you.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 11:32:23
That’s Matthew Walkers account. An attention seeker who knows absolutely fuck all.

Wonder if he is sat in the CG camping out in his car again like he did for Austins return :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 12:07:31
We shall see not my cup a tea though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 14:12:01
Well the only silver lining I see is if it does indeed turn out to be Gunning and he carries on where he left off he’ll be gone by November with a bit of luck.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 16:02:44
Well the only silver lining I see is if it does indeed turn out to be Gunning and he carries on where he left off he’ll be gone by November with a bit of luck.

So will a couple of thousand ST holders


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 16:33:37
So will a couple of thousand ST holders

Yep. May have lost that already. Sadly by that time the clowns will have had the money.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Uncletrunx on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 17:10:06
Well the only silver lining I see is if it does indeed turn out to be Gunning and he carries on where he left off he’ll be gone by November with a bit of luck.

So will any chance of a positive season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 17:43:47
So will any chance of a positive season.

…think that’ll be the case regardless of who the manager is.

Adams at least has some sort of track record in this league but other than that it’s a dull, dour appointment & much more likely to go tits up than it is to bring us any success. It’s certainly not going to get pulses racing or sell season tickets (not that many managers would at this level)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 17:51:47
So will any chance of a positive season.

Well, yes, of course that goes without saying.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 17:57:43
Did anyone see what Les Caffrey posted and deleted earlier?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: molepar on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 17:59:09
Did anyone see what Les Caffrey posted and deleted earlier?
No - any info on this?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 18:03:07
https://twitter.com/stfcquestions/status/1787182303292108970

Suggests Gav was not paid more as head coach than he was as loan manager. This is, it seems, by way of a defence of the club (or at least Gav) which is some decision.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 18:08:10
https://twitter.com/stfcquestions/status/1787182303292108970

Suggests Gav was not paid more as head coach than he was as loan manager. This is, it seems, by way of a defence of the club (or at least Gav) which is some decision.

Or paid more as a loan manager, than he was a first team coach?

Nothing to see really. Les defending Gav on a personal level, which i don't have a problem. Fans rightly interpret the comment as confirming he was the cheap option, but we knew that anyway?



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 18:08:36
Not being funny but why would you take on all that extra work and responsibility for no extra money? I sure as hell wouldnt


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 18:12:28
Don’t think he’s wrong tbh.

Results weren’t great but it’s not like Gav was trying to get bad results.
He’s stepped up to help out and just not done a great job of it for no extra financial reward.
No guarantee another manager would have done any better…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 18:14:00
Not being funny but why would you take on all that extra work and responsibility for no extra money? I sure as hell wouldnt

Surely most people would take an interim promotion on the same money to get their foot in the door to hopefully get the position full time & the pay rise that would go with it…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 18:16:00
Don’t think he’s wrong tbh.

Results weren’t great but it’s not like Gav was trying to get bad results.
He’s stepped up to help out and just not done a great job of it for no extra financial reward.
No guarantee another manager would have done any better…

Agreed. No major issue with Gunning. Tried his best. Never felt he was a football terrorist like the Sheridactyl. Just out of his depth but understand him taking the gig.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 18:43:49
Surely most people would take an interim promotion on the same money to get their foot in the door to hopefully get the position full time & the pay rise that would go with it…

Totally reasonable the first few times for a game or two. For four months though? I think I'd be asking a few questions after the first month or so!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 18:54:00
Cafery is right in that there's no need to attack gunning the person. None of us know him. I'm sure he's put 100% in.

I think it's more than fair to question his credentials and his results. I don't think they was the point he was making at all though.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 19:13:56
Didn’t he have to be labelled ‘interim’ because he didn’t have his badges when he took the job.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Freeloader on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 19:25:11
Cafery is right in that there's no need to attack gunning the person. None of us know him. I'm sure he's put 100% in.

I think it's more than fair to question his credentials and his results. I don't think they was the point he was making at all though.

Gav assisted by Jimmy Shan gave a decent points return until it didn't matter.  I would have no problem with that duo aside from a bit of polishing for media skills.  I don't think Klopp or Pep would achieve much without their assistants.  So, the loan manager had two or three jobs to do, what does anyone expect?  The issue of new manager is above and beyond Gav, who I wish well.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 19:35:10
The hope is, with a new manager - any new manager - that he will demand certain criteria being in place before accepting the job.

The problem with Gav was that he was happy to accept any and all conditions as Clem set out - probably, and understandably, in hope of getting the gig permanently


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 19:52:07
Cafery is right in that there's no need to attack gunning the person. None of us know him. I'm sure he's put 100% in.

I think it's more than fair to question his credentials and his results. I don't think they was the point he was making at all though.
I dunno, getting the other guy to lie about Karachi at the fans forum, accusing fans who dared question Morfuni as not having the clubs interests at heart, his complete rewriting of history and performances. It’s not only results, the guy was symbolic of the regime just showing utter contempt for the fans.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 20:47:35
Surprised to see a few defending Gunning here.

This random outburst by Les was off the back of a harmless joke on social media.

The club, or their employees, are going to need to have much thicker skin than that going forward.

Especially if Gunning is given the gig full time.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, May 5, 2024, 21:36:20
It’s been an interesting few hours that’s for sure. I’m not sure anyone has attacked gunning personally so unsure why the scout has piped up tbh. Probably toeing the company line. End of the day, the club is a mess.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 6, 2024, 06:44:41
Derek Adams stated he'd be bringing in new coaching staff,  (I think he posted that on LinkedIn IIRC) I'm not sure Morfuni would be willing to fund such an overhaul, but we'll see. I'm still expecting Gunning and Shan to be given the job based on snippets I've heard.

Hopefully by end of today we will know either way.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, May 6, 2024, 07:15:25
The only possible positive with Gunning at this stage is continuity but only time will tell if that is good. In hindsight we’ve lost a few good managers in recent years because we didn’t think they were good enough and look where that has got us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 6, 2024, 08:08:00
Continuity of what though? I guess he knows the way the club works and the recruitment setup is that's what you mean


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 6, 2024, 08:17:27
If it’s Gunning, I’m done 100%.

If it’s Adams I’ll pick and choose depending upon my fickleness at the time.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: newmarket red on Monday, May 6, 2024, 08:28:36
If it’s Gunning, I’m done 100%.

If it’s Adams I’ll pick and choose depending upon my fickleness at the time.
i honestley wont bother with either appointments they just dont learn im not not putting up with another season like the one just finished broken promises lies and deceitfully  have done it for me now.us fans deserve more we realy do.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Monday, May 6, 2024, 08:33:25
Wheres's all this Adam's hate coming from? The guy's got promotion twice out of L2. Yes, his last two roles havent gone to plan but let's not forget Wellens failed twice after leaving us. Adam's would be a million times better than Gunning, and he's certainly not a company man... (and for that reason, it's why probably why Gunning will get the job today  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: )


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: newmarket red on Monday, May 6, 2024, 08:38:43
Wheres's all this Adam's hate coming from? The guy's got promotion twice out of L2. Yes, his last two roles havent gone to plan but let's not forget Wellens failed twice after leaving us. Adam's would be a million times better than Gunning, and he's certainly not a company man... (and for that reason, it's why probably why Gunning will get the job today  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: )
no hate for adams but just dont think it will work again.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, May 6, 2024, 08:47:14
no hate for adams but just dont think it will work again.
Lets not get too carried away.  Nothings happened yet and there’s fuck all we can do about it anyway.
Could be an unexpected overwhelming appointment occurring in the background.  (Probably not). 


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 6, 2024, 08:57:13
Adams makes sense under the principle that we keep signing strikers who've been shit for Bradford and they keep coming really good, so might as well see if managers have the same thing going on. Sort of an anti feeder club where Bradford bomb people out who subsequently are great for us.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, May 6, 2024, 08:59:18
What actually happened to Jake Young after he went back? he seems to have barely played?

Was he injured or just out of favour?

They'd of been better off leaving him with us to score another 7 or 8 goals and really inflate his value.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: UTR on Monday, May 6, 2024, 09:13:02
On a different note, can we not have repeated shouts of  “have patience, the better players come later in the window” this summer. We know there’s truth to that for well run clubs who are aiming to add the cherry on the top to their already established squad but let’s not use it as an excuse for our case of waiting until the last minute with a small squad in hopes of getting players cheaper when they have exhausted all possible other options first.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 6, 2024, 09:15:28
What actually happened to Jake Young after he went back? he seems to have barely played?

Was he injured or just out of favour?

They'd of been better off leaving him with us to score another 7 or 8 goals and really inflate his value.

Played a bit so they couldn't sell him then got injured. Obviously no idea what offers were on the table but can't help think they'll regret not selling him then.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 6, 2024, 09:29:31
Lets not get too carried away.  Nothings happened yet and there’s fuck all we can do about it anyway.
Could be an unexpected overwhelming appointment occurring in the background.  (Probably not). 

I thought something was happening yesterday, today or is it now tomorrow🤣


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 6, 2024, 09:32:07
Continuity of what though? I guess he knows the way the club works and the recruitment setup is that's what you mean
Continuity of bad results I would imagine.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, May 6, 2024, 09:35:02
Continuity of what though? I guess he knows the way the club works and the recruitment setup is that's what you mean
Clem knows the way to his house...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 6, 2024, 09:37:53
Clem knows the way to his house...
That sounds way more menacing that it is meant to I am sure :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, May 6, 2024, 09:45:43
That sounds way more menacing that it is meant to I am sure :D
:)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 6, 2024, 12:00:27
Continuity of what though? I guess he knows the way the club works and the recruitment setup is that's what you mean

A point a game, 46 would have been enough to stay up this season.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, May 6, 2024, 12:31:48
I thought something was happening yesterday, today or is it now tomorrow🤣
……..or the next day.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, May 6, 2024, 12:36:23
On a different note, can we not have repeated shouts of  “have patience, the better players come later in the window” this summer.
Think you must have been reading posts on that other website you’ve been using.
Repeated shouts of better players coming ?, behave this is a Swindon website.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 6, 2024, 12:36:34
……..or the next day.

It’s easier to say you know but can’t reveal your source 😁


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Professor on Monday, May 6, 2024, 13:06:57
I see that Coventry City have a vacancy for first team coach. The previous incumbent was Adi Viveash. Just wondering?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: UTR on Monday, May 6, 2024, 13:07:52
Think you must have been reading posts on that other website you’ve been using.
Repeated shouts of better players coming ?, behave this is a Swindon website.

Last 2 summers have been full of comments like that around the STFC’sphere as the season approaches and our squad looks no where near where it should be. There is some truth behind the logic, better players do move later in the window and out of contract players have more offers to consider so decide later but that’s not applicable to us if we’re hoping to snag the leftovers for peanuts


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Monday, May 6, 2024, 13:12:11
I see that Coventry City have a vacancy for first team coach. The previous incumbent was Adi Viveash. Just wondering?

He is assislant manager isnt he?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Professor on Monday, May 6, 2024, 13:21:36
Yeah, you're right but no first team coach listed. New position or reorganisation of existing staff, who knows?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 6, 2024, 13:30:24
I see that Coventry City have a vacancy for first team coach. The previous incumbent was Adi Viveash. Just wondering?
Viveash is still assistant at Coventry City hes not left them.

EDIT: beaten to it.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 6, 2024, 13:51:10
……..or the next day.

Coming Via Yodel or DPD.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Rodney on Monday, May 6, 2024, 14:31:49
I see that Coventry City have a vacancy for first team coach. The previous incumbent was Adi Viveash. Just wondering?

The vacancy is because Dennis Lawrence has just left them for a managerial job in the USA. Minnesota I think.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 6, 2024, 16:04:25
That’s Matthew Walkers account. An attention seeker who knows absolutely fuck all.

Proper cunt who isn't the full ticket.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 6, 2024, 16:12:14
I dunno, getting the other guy to lie about Karachi at the fans forum, accusing fans who dared question Morfuni as not having the clubs interests at heart, his complete rewriting of history and performances. It’s not only results, the guy was symbolic of the regime just showing utter contempt for the fans.

Is this Phil King we're talking about?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 6, 2024, 16:13:20
If it’s Gunning, I’m done 100%.

If it’s Adams I’ll pick and choose depending upon my fickleness at the time.

Done either way. New owner or nothing.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 6, 2024, 16:21:36
On a different note, can we not have repeated shouts of  “have patience, the better players come later in the window” this summer. We know there’s truth to that for well run clubs who are aiming to add the cherry on the top to their already established squad but let’s not use it as an excuse for our case of waiting until the last minute with a small squad in hopes of getting players cheaper when they have exhausted all possible other options first.

Few shouts like that we could avoid hearing this year but we'll still hear them anyway.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, May 6, 2024, 19:29:57
It’ll be Gunning with Adam Hart as assistant


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Walthams on Monday, May 6, 2024, 20:08:13
If we stop thinking about who is here now, why not go for Culverhouse, just taken Boston to The Conference.


Title: Re: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 6, 2024, 21:38:26
If we stop thinking about who is here now, why not go for Culverhouse, just taken Boston to The Conference.
Gunning can do that!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, May 7, 2024, 04:34:56
Gunning can do that!
Good point ;D

All too true though sadly...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 7, 2024, 07:34:33
Maybe today is the day it gets announced.

Past MO suggests otherwise, and in fairness they can't announce something that isn't done (if it isn't).


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Tuesday, May 7, 2024, 08:48:25
I hope today's the day. The longer it drags on the less likely it's Gunning, right guys?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 7, 2024, 08:57:14
I hope today's the day. The longer it drags on the less likely it's Gunning, right guys?

Not sure about that, probably. Maybe we are missing out on targets a-la Lindsay appointment (if it drags on).

Still 3.5 weeks until early bird ends.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, May 7, 2024, 12:55:17
Not sure about that, probably. Maybe we are missing out on targets a-la Lindsay appointment (if it drags on).

Still 3.5 weeks until early bird ends.
And still no communication from the club hounding us for ST renewals, must have a slush fund hidden away.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, May 7, 2024, 12:57:23
And still no communication from the club hounding us for ST renewals, must have a slush fund hidden away.
Or season ticket sales are going so well they don't need to push them  ;)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Friday, May 10, 2024, 10:52:22
Dean Brennan from Barnet is preffered choice


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 10, 2024, 10:53:53
Dean Brennan from Barnet is preffered choice

Preferred by who?

You, Clem, or the people that actually own the club ;)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: tans on Friday, May 10, 2024, 10:56:04
According to the adver


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: welshred on Friday, May 10, 2024, 10:59:37
Swindon Town are in discussions over appointing Barnet boss Dean Brennan as their next head coach, the Adver understands.

Swindon are interested in appointing the 43-year-old as their next boss, according to a source who wishes to remain anonymous to protect relationships, as they look to build for next season.

When asked about the story, a spokesperson for Town confirmed that talks between Swindon and Barnet over Brennan are ongoing.

The former Sheffield Wednesday winger has now emerged as the leading candidate for the role, having been admired by the club for several months, despite rumours that Derek Adams and Gavin Gunning were the frontrunners to take over from Michael Flynn.

The Irishman guided Barnet to second place in the National League last season, although they were knocked out of the playoffs by Tyrese Shade’s Solihull Moors in the semi-final.

His Bees were free-scoring last season as they netted 91 times in the National League, second only to runaway league winners Chesterfield, but they were not totally cavalier as only five sides conceded fewer goals than Barnet in the fifth tier last term.

During his three seasons as Barnet's head coach, the Irishman guided them to the playoffs twice, finishing fifth in 2022/23, also arresting a difficult start in which previous head coach Harry Kewell won none of the first seven games of the campaign before he moved from his Head of Football role to become head coach.

Brennan has been coaching for the last 14 years, working at various clubs across non-league, first becoming caretaker manager at Hemel Hempstead Town at the age of 29, before getting the job full-time in 2012. He guided them to a playoff final defeat and their highest-ever league finish in his first season, before earning promotion to National League South in his second, winning the league by ten points.

Following two seasons in the sixth tier in which Hemel survived comfortably and then narrowly missed out on the playoffs, Brennan and his assistant Stuart Maynard, now head coach of Notts County, left for Billericay Town.

His stint in Essex was not the happiest and lasted less than four months, before having a brief spell at Kingstonian, but left after just five games in charge.

In May 2019 he then landed with Wealdstone, winning National League South in the Covid-shortened 2019/20 season, before resigning in February of their first season in the National League and landing at Barnet later that year.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Friday, May 10, 2024, 10:59:47
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24311449.swindon-town-targeting-barnet-boss-next-head-coach/

Wouldn't be against this to be fair. He's done very well there.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: welshred on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:00:41
Who'd have thought we'd actually look to appoint a manager who already has a job...


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Berniman on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:02:30
I'll say it before DV does, BRENNAN OUT!


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: BenTheRed on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:05:57
Wouldn't be a bad appointment, but I do worry for any manager coming to us atm


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:06:37
Imagine my surprise that we are looking to recruit another Irishman, I think I predicted mcwhoever in a different thread.

I wonder if there is something to this Irish thing 🤔


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:08:36
Interesting one. When did we last appoint a manager who wasn't unemployed at the time*


* I realise the answer is John Sheridan, but he was working for a bankrupt club who weren't paying him.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:12:20
I love this quote from a Barnet forum at the end of the season.

Over the past two seasons we've seen that scoring goals is not a problem. The main issue DB has to address how to play in a way that ensures we still manage to out score the opposition without over stretching our defence and leaving our GK exposed with a simple ball over the top to a pacy striker.

Sounds like he will fit right in with the 'swindon way'


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:14:33
Just came here to see which dickhead thought it would be clever to post BRENNAN OUT before he’s even joined us…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:19:15
Also, believe it when I see it…


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:21:00
Already looking forward to us offering £20 as compensation, they'll say they tried to appoint someone and then giving Gunning the job in 8 weeks times.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: UTR on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:35:35
Already looking forward to us offering £20 as compensation, they'll say they tried to appoint someone and then giving Gunning the job in 8 weeks times.

It’s sad that that isn’t an unlikely possibility


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:37:21
I think you may be significantly over estimating the levels of any compensation needed to get a NL manager out of a club.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:39:26
Will fit the Swindon way of late - we will score one more than you


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: UTR on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:39:43
I think you may be significantly over estimating the levels of any compensation needed to get a NL manager out of a club.

If it’s more than a tenner and some marbles then you can’t blame someone for being sceptical


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Berniman on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:48:36
Just came here to see which dickhead thought it would be clever to post BRENNAN OUT before he’s even joined us…

No need to get personal.  Difference is I say this as a joke rather than to troll, which is very much your MO.  You can get back under your bridge now..


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:52:33
Does paying for a manager get included in the transfer embargo? It would be peak Town that they agree with things then realise the suspended embargo has been triggered and we can’t bring him in.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 10, 2024, 11:55:41
Dean Brennan from Barnet is preffered choice
They may have to call us the the Dubliners or the Irish Rovers. Out of curiosity who is his agent?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:00:14
They may have to call us the the Dubliners or the Irish Rovers. Out of curiosity who is his agent?

Could be a coincidence?

Green away kit next season confirmed?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:02:12
  '5 Jan 2023 — Barnet Football Club has today announced that Dean Brennan's contract has been extended by three and a half years until June 2026.'

Bit of compo due then! >:(


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:06:25
Its all speculation, but from what i know its compensation is often set as a much smaller figure than the outstanding amount on a contract.

Additionally i think it was known that Garner when here was getting paid something like 45k a year! So a NL manager likely less.

So i know we have very little money but this compo thing isn't a big thing in my opinion.

Whats interesting is that in the Adver article a club source says talks are ongoing. Thats very unusual for anyone to comment until its done. Perhaps they are confident?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:07:42
Whats interesting is that in the Adver article a club source says talks are ongoing. Thats very unusual for anyone to comment until its done. Perhaps they are confident?

I think when there was that odd "has Flynn being sacked?" weekend there was a suggestion that people around the club were briefing it to put pressure on something happening. I do wonder if that might be what's up here...

But obviously we have only one decision maker and that's Clem.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:14:21
Its all speculation, but from what i know its compensation is often set as a much smaller figure than the outstanding amount on a contract.

Additionally i think it was known that Garner when here was getting paid something like 45k a year! So a NL manager likely less.

So i know we have very little money but this compo thing isn't a big thing in my opinion.

Whats interesting is that in the Adver article a club source says talks are ongoing. Thats very unusual for anyone to comment until its done. Perhaps they are confident?

£45k, is that all?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:16:18
£45k, is that all?

It may be a little higher now, but yes. Managers at this level get paid very little normally (relatively, i know thats still more than the national average, and probably most fans), less than most the players. Though i guess thats always the way higher up the leagues.



Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:31:26
Indeed, Managers are notoriously paid under the player salary ranges.  Given the league average salary for a first team player at our level is around the 100k mark, 45-50k for a newish Manager seems about right.  Phil Smith gave up playing to go and try out being a train driver.  It's not a glamorous living in L2 for most.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:36:15
A report in 2020 said the average L2 manager salary was about £80k. Allowing for inflation and what not I’d imagine the Barnet guy would be around that now as even though they are a league below they are full time and what not.

Apparently their owner is a hard negotiator as well so I could easily see it costing £100k+ to get him in and no way are we paying that IMO.

At the moment this feels a bit Lindsey like where we speak to a few people that were never coming then end up appointing Gunning claiming every avenue was explored. Would love to be proven wrong obviously….


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, May 10, 2024, 12:38:11
Out of curiosity who is his agent?

I'll wager: https://quorum-sports.com/

Club confirms it is in talks with manage = odd. Why do that? Unless:

It is in the agent's interest (promote the availability of a client)

It is in the client's interest (as above)

It is in Swindon's interest ("we looked around, but we just couldn't find anyone as incredible as Gavin")

Conspiracy theories aside, much better than Gunning. Does our favourite agent have any new owners up their sleeve?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, May 10, 2024, 13:28:08
Playing devils advocate is a manager that was managing in non league more likely to want to come here and work on a small budget and with the club as it is  - a mess - as he would have already been on a limited budget in non league and gets to ply his trade in the FL, if it fails his rep in non league is unaffected, if he does well then he can move on up

Rather than a manager who has experience of L2 and maybe didn't go well elsewhere, would not want to risk his reputation and not get another job in FL if he fails.

Sadly we all know appointing a new manager isn't going to change things overnight, there needs a shake up of football operations behind the scenes as well, experience is needed above the manager, Jamie Russell may have been around football for years but he is the only person in a senior role that has, and his role among other things is seemingly to sign the players, he cant do everything despite maybe wanting to.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: DiV on Friday, May 10, 2024, 15:35:46
No need to get personal.  Difference is I say this as a joke rather than to troll, which is very much your MO.  You can get back under your bridge now..

No, I usually say it as a joke but you beat me to it.
I’m usually that dickhead. It’s self deprecating humour aim at myself.




Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 10, 2024, 15:43:28
I saw someone suggesting that Gillingham are interested in him too, if that is the case we probably don’t have much chance


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: welshred on Friday, May 10, 2024, 15:54:04
I saw someone suggesting that Gillingham are interested in him too, if that is the case we probably don’t have much chance

Gillingham have already appointed Bonner.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, May 10, 2024, 15:56:38
I think it's exactly the kind of appointment we should be making but as has been alluded to, he's going to have far, far better options than us I'd have thought.

Suspect this was 'leaked' so that the Clem fan boys can say "well he tried, bless him" when he's gone to Gillingham and weve appointed Gunning*

*happy to be proved wrong

Edit: Gillingham or wherever


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, May 10, 2024, 16:42:25
£45k, is that all?
Nearly as much as you 4D !!.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 10, 2024, 17:06:37
Nearly as much as you 4D !!.

Nowhere near  ;)


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, May 10, 2024, 17:51:37
No point going over the 20% tax threshold :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Anonymous77 on Friday, May 10, 2024, 17:56:35
https://x.com/danwood_adver/status/1788991566662529277?s=46&t=JFJ6WuyoqR937j03pvTFhQ

Another adver journo reckons compo has been sorted it’s just personal terms.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 10, 2024, 18:04:43
Perhaps he could bring Nicke Kabamba with him. Turned 30 but he’s 6’3” and could team up with Glatzel well. Scored bundles.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Friday, May 10, 2024, 18:07:51
https://x.com/danwood_adver/status/1788991566662529277?s=46&t=JFJ6WuyoqR937j03pvTFhQ

Another adver journo reckons compo has been sorted it’s just personal terms.

Im starting to like this appointment more and more. If compensation has been agreed, i cant imagine personal terms would be a problem.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, May 10, 2024, 18:09:00
Im starting to like this appointment more and more. If compensation has been agreed, i cant imagine personal terms would be a problem.

Yeah, walk him around Foundation park and tell him its the training ground. Easy.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: UTR on Friday, May 10, 2024, 18:10:15
Generally teams don’t go as far as agreeing compo unless they have some indication that the manager has interest in the move.

I know officially it’s meant to be the case of doing that first but rarely happens that way nowadays.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: iParadise on Friday, May 10, 2024, 18:14:31
Yeah, walk him around Foundation park and tell him its the training ground. Easy.

 Morris style :toocool:


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 10, 2024, 18:55:44
Gillingham have already appointed Bonner.

That’s a fair point, maybe that’s why we think we have a better chance of getting him


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 10, 2024, 20:08:05
Generally teams don’t go as far as agreeing compo unless they have some indication that the manager has interest in the move.

I know officially it’s meant to be the case of doing that first but rarely happens that way nowadays.
Being Irish, you do wonder who his agent is. Is it the usual agents that seem to hang around the club doing another ‘favour’ and he’s already been tapped up?

Hope for their sake they insist on money up front.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 11, 2024, 09:22:40
Perhaps he could bring Nicke Kabamba with him. Turned 30 but he’s 6’3” and could team up with Glatzel well. Scored bundles.
Only 5 league goals in 60 odd appearances, scores a fair few goals in non league but never made it at league level in 4 attempts  and aged 31 he would be no better than keeping on Charlie Austin IMO.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: newmarket red on Saturday, May 11, 2024, 09:29:52
Im afraid my money is staying in the bank if this is the calibre of manager we are paying compensation  for.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 11, 2024, 09:31:19
Well he’s scored 44 in 84 playing under Brennan. Maybe he’s worked him out.


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 11, 2024, 09:32:11
Perhaps he could bring Nicke Kabamba with him. Turned 30 but he’s 6’3” and could team up with Glatzel well. Scored bundles.

Does he fall under the umbrella of ‘He could do a job for us’ type player?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 11, 2024, 09:32:18
Im afraid my money is staying in the bank if this is the calibre of manager eere paying compensation  for.
So what ‘level’ of manager are you expecting?


Title: Re: New Manager thread part (96837494)
Post by: CambridgeshireRed on Saturday, May 11, 2024, 10:04:18
I think I'd prefer this type of appointment assuming it goes ahead (a manager performing well on a small budget in a lower division who will want to prove themselves) as opposed to the same old names.

A tad uninspiring