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Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:05:57
Knock yourselves out :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:21:24
Not sure these are advisory board issues, trust issues, or unrealistic questions:

- Can we have explanation of the 20-21 accounts. If possible what are the terms of the debenture and "other loans" and when do they come repayable. [trust are on this]

- Who are kerachi FC. Who is funding this venture

- Is the non-playing budget being reduced 22-23


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:23:59
If John has 3 apples and Jane has 2 bananas, who won the cup in 1952?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:24:41
Just giving us an idea on how the overall playing budget compares to last season while we were under embargo will answer a lot of concerns I think.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:27:49
Not sure these are advisory board issues, trust issues, or unrealistic questions:

- Can we have explanation of the 20-21 accounts. If possible what are the terms of the debenture and "other loans" and when do they come repayable. [trust are on this]

- Who are Jakarta FC. Who is funding this venture

- Is the non-playing budget being reduced 22-23

Do you mean Karachi?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:29:14
Do you mean Karachi?

:facepalm:

Indonesia, Pakistan, easy mistake to make


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RJack on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:29:58
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:32:59
Do you mean Karachi?

No, she went of her own accord  ;D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:36:47
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

24mph or 11 meters per second😀


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:39:49
It was said last night on the Supporters Club FB thing that next season's budget is more 'comprehensive' than last season's and that it is 'not a reduced budget' and that it will fund a 'larger squad'. I don't think that you'll get more specificity than that.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:49:31
It was said last night on the Supporters Club FB thing that next season's budget is more 'comprehensive' than last season's and that it is 'not a reduced budget' and that it will fund a 'larger squad'. I don't think that you'll get more specificity than that.



Fits in with what has been said then. Its a larger budget but will be used to fund more players, so still explains some players being offered reduced terms.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:52:43
It was said last night on the Supporters Club FB thing that next season's budget is more 'comprehensive' than last season's and that it is 'not a reduced budget' and that it will fund a 'larger squad'. I don't think that you'll get more specificity than that.

Of course you can.
- the non-playing budget remains the same/less/more
- the playing budget has increased (as stated)

Job done. Move on. But that's not exactly what was said.

And no I'm not demanding an answer before some jackarse goes down the "entitled" route. In all honesty unless there were brutal cutbacks its probably the least pressing question (other than for employees) given the playing budget is up.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:53:36
As long as the extra players are quality ones and not here just to make the numbers up.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:54:26
As long as the extra players are quality ones and not here just to make the numbers up.

player recruitment - that's just business as usual.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:56:14
player recruitment - that's just business as usual.

I would rather have a smaller squad with quality than a big squad with players that aren't really good enough


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:04:13
I would rather have a smaller squad with quality than a big squad with players that aren't really good enough

Last season that approach prevented us from going up.

Obviously the plan would be to get a bigger squad of similar quality


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:06:02
A doorman size midfielder too.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:06:39
A doorman size midfielder too.

That's not Garners...oh wait. Yeah one of those too.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:10:55
Last season that approach prevented us from going up.

Obviously the plan would be to get a bigger squad of similar quality

I agree a smaller squad may have stopped us going up but others will argue it was more down to the mangers tactics and the failure to change things in alot of the home games.

I hope that we do get a bigger squad with quality but I'm sceptical if the budget will stretch that far but fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:41:30
I agree a smaller squad may have stopped us going up but others will argue it was more down to the mangers tactics and the failure to change things in alot of the home games.

I hope that we do get a bigger squad with quality but I'm sceptical if the budget will stretch that far but fingers crossed.

But he was limited with what tactics he could use and how he could change it because we had a smaller squad.  Let's face it, the team in the last 7 games picked itself and there were very few changes he could make due to the size of the squad he had.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:44:19
But he was limited with what tactics he could use and how he could change it because we had a smaller squad.  Let's face it, the team in the last 7 games picked itself and there were very few changes he could make due to the size of the squad he had.

Agreed and preference would be for a bigger squad as long as the finances stretch for extra quality players


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:49:23
I agree a smaller squad may have stopped us going up but others will argue it was more down to the mangers tactics and the failure to change things in alot of the home games.

Both of those things, for me.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:50:27
Both of those things, for me.

The squad overall was good enough on its travels


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:37:25
Are the supporters trust able to go on record and say they have no concerns about the number of alleged and actual convicted criminals that exist ‘in and around’ board level.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 22:07:14

- What is the status of ZA owers & directors test? Is he a board member?

- With regards to Karachi FC, ZA states 'this is costing our club and me a lot of money' in the below video, how much are the club putting towards this venture?

https://youtu.be/F-J_biGni9Y


- What is Adam Harts role at the club?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 22:51:47
Who are Sweden Town?
https://youtu.be/F-J_biGni9Y
Seems a bit tin pot this


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: china red on Friday, June 3, 2022, 06:16:56
Did the woman at the start call him ‘Xavier Morfuni’?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 3, 2022, 07:14:30
Did the woman at the start call him ‘Xavier Morfuni’?
The bloke at the ground called him what sounded like 'Xavier More-due-day'.

I thought Austin sounded AWFUL! Very arrogant and dismissive.
Alex Pike on the other hand - What a great representative of the club! Spoke very well I thought.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 09:27:41
Quote from: The Million Pound Man
- What is the status of ZA owers & directors test? Is he a board member?

- With regards to Karachi FC, ZA states 'this is costing our club and me a lot of money' in the below video, how much are the club putting towards this venture?

https://youtu.be/F-J_biGni9Y (https://youtu.be/F-J_biGni9Y)


- What is Adam Harts role at the club?

seconded


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:28:46
seconded

Thirded. The whole thing stinks of dodgy doings. Can you imagine the fallout on here if Pee Lower had set this up. Don’t like the sound of it’s costing the club a lot of money, would rather as a club we just invested in our own team and stadium than spunking it off on some not at all dodgy overseas project.


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:33:02
I am not going as far as dodgy doings

but the timing is well weird.

pay off debts, get the ground purchased, put excess into stadium and squad for now.

once that's done then look at links.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:34:29
Also whats the chances of any of the 2 players making it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:38:41
Quote from: Jimmy QuitMoaning
Also whats the chances of any of the 2 players making it.

I think the work permit issues may prevent it as things stand?

other than that, if they're good enough ...

it's also a good thing to do for their community.

but I've made my actual concerns as above.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:39:09
Thirded. The whole thing stinks of dodgy doings. Can you imagine the fallout on here if Pee Lower had set this up. Don’t like the sound of it’s costing the club a lot of money, would rather as a club we just invested in our own team and stadium than spunking it off on some not at all dodgy overseas project.
From what i have heard and obviously you don't have to believe it but this isn't being paid for by the club


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:43:41
Zav had misspoken again!

probably needs clearing up through official channels.

well it's a bit odd if it's being funded by an individual, but as long as the club or fitc aren't dipping into pockets it's a start


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:44:41
Does anybody know of any Pakistani footballers who've made it professional? Anywhere in the world? I can't find one.

If this is all being done with good intentions, we obviously think there's kids over there with talent that don't get the opportunity to be coached and given an opportunity.

But with Karachi being the biggest city in Pakistan, surely if this had any legs, a much bigger club than us would already be all over this?

Even IF we are onto something here, how long until we reap the rewards? 4 or 5 years? why are we doing this now when we can't even bring a football league calibre player off our bench.

Seems dodgy to me. Not a fan so far.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:51:04
My thoughts exactly, why haven't any of the big Premiership clubs tapped into the talent.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, June 3, 2022, 11:17:04
I’m all for thinking outside the box, but the whole thing is farcical.

It’s not a priority. It’s a waste of time, waste of money and because it doesn’t stack up, we’re right to be sceptical.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, June 3, 2022, 11:40:34
My thoughts exactly, why haven't any of the big Premiership clubs tapped into the talent.

But with Karachi being the biggest city in Pakistan, surely if this had any legs, a much bigger club than us would already be all over this?

India like Pakistan are in real terms and measured against western economies are both relatively poor. Their demographics are such that those who can afford to buy into the premiership marketing machine % of population wise is very small. Plus competing with cricket and hockey makes it a market that is not worth trying to buy into. Plus the sponsors of PL clubs (alcohol and betting) is frowned upon certainly within the Muslim population. Is my guess. £50 for a replica shirt not withstanding is probably a years income for many.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jilted John on Friday, June 3, 2022, 11:44:12
Thirded. The whole thing stinks of dodgy doings. Can you imagine the fallout on here if Pee Lower had set this up. Don’t like the sound of it’s costing the club a lot of money, would rather as a club we just invested in our own team and stadium than spunking it off on some not at all dodgy overseas project.
Do not suggest anything that goes against the club, nothing negative or you will get shouted down, you cannot say anything against clem or zavi at all

this is opening the top of a can of worms, the trust need to be asking many of these questions mentioned on this and other posts, not saying clem and angus are part of any bad things but the rest are fair game

not anti clem at all but definately zavi has many questions that need answering

also why is all this happening now? surely its a bit ambitious for a club recently under new ownership making links with a country that has no footballing heritage? its all a bit weird, the arrogance of zavi is upsetting


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, June 3, 2022, 11:52:03
Do not suggest anything that goes against the club, nothing negative or you will get shouted down, you cannot say anything against clem or zavi at all

this is opening the top of a can of worms, the trust need to be asking many of these questions mentioned on this and other posts, not saying clem and angus are part of any bad things but the rest are fair game

not anti clem at all but definately zavi has many questions that need answering

also why is all this happening now? surely its a bit ambitious for a club recently under new ownership making links with a country that has no footballing heritage? its all a bit weird, the arrogance of zavi is upsetting
Not sure anyone has anything against asking questions but it's when people post stuff that is happening that hasn't happened people try and be balanced. For what it's worth i don't think it's a great idea but nothing more than a  project for Austin who will no doubt try and benefit like Fitton did with any prospects he finds and sells on


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jilted John on Friday, June 3, 2022, 12:07:11
Not sure anyone has anything against asking questions but it's when people post stuff that is happening that hasn't happened people try and be balanced.
thats forums are for tho, all fans speculate

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For what it's worth i don't think it's a great idea but nothing more than a  project for Austin who will no doubt try and benefit like Fitton did with any prospects he finds and sells on
thats fair and yes i agree i think there could be money in it for zavi somewhere


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, June 3, 2022, 12:24:16
thats forums are for tho, all fans speculate
thats fair and yes i agree i think there could be money in it for zavi somewhere
Very true, no need to get personal with people over these things i agree


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, June 3, 2022, 12:53:09
If it was just Alex Pike there then I don't think there would be anywhere near as much noise about this.   


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Qunk on Friday, June 3, 2022, 13:26:05
The bloke at the ground called him what sounded like 'Xavier More-due-day'.

I thought Austin sounded AWFUL! Very arrogant and dismissive.
Alex Pike on the other hand - What a great representative of the club! Spoke very well I thought.

I know what you mean but I don’t think he came across TOO awfully. His ‘you understand magic wand?’ quip was definitely rather cringe.

DO. YOU. SPEAKAH. DA. ENGLISH?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Qunk on Friday, June 3, 2022, 13:33:16
Does anybody know of any Pakistani footballers who've made it professional? Anywhere in the world? I can't find one.

If this is all being done with good intentions, we obviously think there's kids over there with talent that don't get the opportunity to be coached and given an opportunity.

But with Karachi being the biggest city in Pakistan, surely if this had any legs, a much bigger club than us would already be all over this?

Even IF we are onto something here, how long until we reap the rewards? 4 or 5 years? why are we doing this now when we can't even bring a football league calibre player off our bench.

Seems dodgy to me. Not a fan so far.
It’s very odd how few Pakistani players or those from other countries in South Asia/Middle East have made it anywhere near the upper echelons of the game. In all British sport, in fact. Amir Khan is the only British Asian I can think of who became prominent (outside of cricket) from the top of my head.

Almost forgot our very own Iraqi Pirlo for a second then.

Talking of the Iraqi Pirlo, I found this on YouTube. 2:00 is one of my very favourite Swindon goals ever. On his day, the guy was something else.

https://youtu.be/42KRO0aRplk


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 3, 2022, 13:42:53
I know what you mean but I don’t think he came across TOO awfully. His ‘you understand magic wand?’ quip was definitely rather cringe.

DO. YOU. SPEAKAH. DA. ENGLISH?
Yes, that was one of the things I was on about, but I also didn't like some of the words.

It was very 'American' in a way. Talking up 'home' and how good things are back here, while talking down facilities.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Qunk on Friday, June 3, 2022, 13:45:53
Yes, that was one of the things I was on about, but I also didn't like some of the words.

It was very 'American' in a way. Talking up 'home' and how good things are back here, while talking down facilities.

I’ve rewatched it and must now take back my earlier comment. He came across like a complete cunt


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, June 3, 2022, 15:03:10
Do not suggest anything that goes against the club, nothing negative or you will get shouted down, you cannot say anything against clem or zavi at all

this is opening the top of a can of worms, the trust need to be asking many of these questions mentioned on this and other posts, not saying clem and angus are part of any bad things but the rest are fair game

not anti clem at all but definately zavi has many questions that need answering

also why is all this happening now? surely its a bit ambitious for a club recently under new ownership making links with a country that has no footballing heritage? its all a bit weird, the arrogance of zavi is upsetting

Decent post and of course where is Mr Standing in all of this?
Season over and going to wait and see the outcomes rather than speculate. Will be interesting to see the calibre of Manager and players we are going in for.
Equally who is staying on the terms offered.


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 15:26:25
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If it was just Alex Pike there then I don't think there would be anywhere near as much noise about this.  
Alex Pike is just doing his job to the best of his ability, came across fine.

But regardless, how people come across is surely not the biggest point here


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, June 3, 2022, 15:38:28
as a paying trust and OSC member id hope these things are being questioned...'ive heard ZA is funding it' doesnt cut it for me... black and white are the club funding anything at all here, yes or no would be good to clear up... presumably AP works for the club so expenses aside, the time hes spending out there on this project is time the club is losing out on his services in Wiltshire and at a cost to the club.

if the club are fully or part funding it, then hounding fans for refunds and a 400% suggested increase in certain concession pricing sits even more uncomfortably than it already did for me.

its fine to want Clem and Co to be the real deal, whilst also asking probing questions given everything weve been through over the years... after all if there is nothing to hide then theres no such thing as an awkward question. the narrative that anyone questioning the ownership is a troublemaker that is developing is dangerous IMO.




Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 3, 2022, 16:08:26
Does anybody know of any Pakistani footballers who've made it professional? Anywhere in the world? I can't find one.

If this is all being done with good intentions, we obviously think there's kids over there with talent that don't get the opportunity to be coached and given an opportunity.

But with Karachi being the biggest city in Pakistan, surely if this had any legs, a much bigger club than us would already be all over this?

Even IF we are onto something here, how long until we reap the rewards? 4 or 5 years? why are we doing this now when we can't even bring a football league calibre player off our bench.

Seems dodgy to me. Not a fan so far.

Zesh Rehman, British Pakistani defender from the mid 00s made a decent career for himself. Not many, for sure.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, June 3, 2022, 16:12:47
Otis Khan as well, done ok in L1 & L2.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, June 3, 2022, 16:18:41
Alex Pike is just doing his job to the best of his ability, came across fine.

But regardless, how people come across is surely not the biggest point here

That's not quite what I meant.     Zav comes across as a bit dodge and his background rightly makes everyone sceptical of anything he may be involved with.  The fact he's fairly unlikeable and has a big gob adds to that.

If he wasn't involved and it was led by the scouting and coaching team then we may all just see it as a bit of a punt.  Still question the costs, priority etc but not the intentions.

But he is so everyone's backside is twitching.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 16:45:56
oh I see

I think I'd still question the timing, but yeah I guess the 'something fishy' aspect would be largely gone.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, June 3, 2022, 16:49:35
Otis Khan as well, done ok in L1 & L2.

British Indian of course but Malvind Singh-Benning from Port Vale is doing pretty well.

Edit: And yep, Zav, Xav (whatever) comes across as a right cunt. On a par with the Pashunn man. Stinks more than unflushed longdrop!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, June 3, 2022, 16:50:13
I think the Austin thing needs a full explanation now as there’s so much conjecture and hearsay, my questions are:

1. He’s been around for he club for years so what was his role in the Power years?
2. Does he have an invested interest in the club or can it it be categorically confirmed he has no financial interest in the club?
3. We were told Austin was going through the fit and proper persons test but it has been radio silent on that since, has he passed or failed? If he has failed then the question needs to be asked is it appropriate he is involved in the club?
4. Can the Karachi thing be fully explained, Austin says himself he’s only been to Pakistan a handful of times so how has it come about, it seems odd if he has no real links to the country. How will it will benefit the club? How it is being paid for? How will it get around work permits and actually allow any players to play for the club?
5. Finally can the relationship with Adam Hart be explained. It goes beyond Mcfarlane Training Systems as Austin & Hart were business partners well before Mcfarlane were involved in the club and Clem had ownership. Can they understand why it looks iffy on the face of it having 2 convicted criminals, having been guilty of similar offences now involved with the club.

Can the Trust not release their due diligence research on Austin?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, June 3, 2022, 16:57:06
And the fact Pakistan is quite the route for some other "grade" of quality too...

Really didn't want to go down that route and get vilified on here but whilst people can change and do good, can a leopard (whilst holidaying on business in Karachi) really change it's spots?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, June 3, 2022, 17:04:13
A different bag but what happened to the Glen Hoddle Academy in Spain. Is it still going and have there been any success stories where players have had careers at English clubs.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: blinkpip on Friday, June 3, 2022, 17:10:24
A different bag but what happened to the Glen Hoddle Academy in Spain. Is it still going and have there been any success stories where players have had careers at English clubs.
Couldn't work with English Clubs as it was third party ownership like the Tevez situation (which he said in his book) All over after being told that.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, June 3, 2022, 17:11:32
Couldn't work with English Clubs as it was third party ownership like the Tevez situation (which he said in his book) All over after being told that.

Cheers I couldn't remember


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:58:00
I think the Austin thing needs a full explanation now as there’s so much conjecture and hearsay, my questions are:

1. He’s been around for he club for years so what was his role in the Power years?
2. Does he have an invested interest in the club or can it it be categorically confirmed he has no financial interest in the club?
3. We were told Austin was going through the fit and proper persons test but it has been radio silent on that since, has he passed or failed? If he has failed then the question needs to be asked is it appropriate he is involved in the club?
4. Can the Karachi thing be fully explained, Austin says himself he’s only been to Pakistan a handful of times so how has it come about, it seems odd if he has no real links to the country. How will it will benefit the club? How it is being paid for? How will it get around work permits and actually allow any players to play for the club?
5. Finally can the relationship with Adam Hart be explained. It goes beyond Mcfarlane Training Systems as Austin & Hart were business partners well before Mcfarlane were involved in the club and Clem had ownership. Can they understand why it looks iffy on the face of it having 2 convicted criminals, having been guilty of similar offences now involved with the club.

Can the Trust not release their due diligence research on Austin?

He stated he has never invested any money on the Monday night panel interview (I think) and nothing is on companies house as being a director/owner. 

Who knows what he was doing under the Power years?  He was one of Power's mates, who liked to be assosciated with a football club.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:09:34
You can not be an investor in the club but still pay for things though


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 13:27:52
He stated he has never invested any money on the Monday night panel interview (I think) and nothing is on companies house as being a director/owner. 

Who knows what he was doing under the Power years?  He was one of Power's mates, who liked to be assosciated with a football club.
Diamindis ran the club and was not only not a director he was actually banned from being a director. What companies house says is irrelevant, he’s been around for years so does he have a vested financial interest in the club?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:10:07
Diamindis ran the club and was not only not a director he was actually banned from being a director. What companies house says is irrelevant, he’s been around for years so does he have a vested financial interest in the club?

Your question was does he have a invested interest in the club - he has said no.  I'm not sure what else you actually expect?  

Rob/Clem are in control of the club, you have transparency for example on the debt front which has decreased by nearly £3m.  


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:36:58
Well the email from the trust today at least made it clear that not all fan groups or platforms are considered part of the "Let's work together" message.

It should be changed to "Let's work together, unless you want to challenge us or question our methods"  Starting to question my membership of both the Trust and OSC tbh, i am not sure that they really do represent all fans, only the ones that will accept what the club want to do without question.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:40:14
For those that want to read, as not everyone on here are members..

Welcome to our June
TrustSTFC Newsletter
Hi Paul
I hope you’re having an enjoyable Jubilee bank holiday weekend, and with the extra couple of days off it's a chance to send you our first newsletter in a while.

We look back on the season just gone with great pride; our team did well to get within a penalty kick of Wembley and off the field it's been a complete transformation, as we now have an owner that respects the supporters, and a chief executive who is a Town fan himself, someone who understands the importance of the local community.

New faces on the Trust board
On the Trust side we've seen a lot of change. Once the dust had settled on the court cases last year, several board members dropped away including long serving Trust board member Cliff Ponting. Cliff always did a great job for us and we recognised him as a “Trust Hero” at our AGM.

Prior to that AGM Stuart Woollard our new secretary created a new and improved recruitment process which saw lots of new faces emerge onto the board, all from our existing membership.

We've always been an honest, open and transparent organisation and anyone who wants to get involved and commit their own time to helping our football club thrive is welcome to do so, it was therefore great to see an excellent response and some really impressive board applications.

We had a very slick Trust operation in the year just gone, where everybody understood their role, and we’ve now strengthened our ranks significantly with some great expertise coming onto the board.

Just like with football teams though it's not easy when there are so many personnel changes in such a short space of time, but we are making good progress and I’m confident we will do some great stuff this year.

Obviously, lots of new people have come in with ideas, and our initial board meetings have been about ensuring everyone has a role to play and something to own. We might make a few mistakes as we are still finding our feet a little, but I’ve been really impressed with the energy, enthusiasm and professionalism that all of the new faces have brought to us.

You will hear from them all soon.

The Year Ahead
We have a packed agenda for the year ahead which includes the County Ground purchase, and a new and improved website that will include fresh ideas and details about owning a share of the County Ground. At this moment there are still legalities that need to be finalised and these things take time however, as soon as the purchase has been completed we will be issuing details on how the share scheme will work.

We’ve got the Don Rogers statue to come and we will share more on that when we can, and we are also working with Swindon Town, the OSC and historians on our long-standing ambition to have a Club Museum. There are lots of ideas around improving our engagement with supporters, ways to generate additional income that will support other work including new environment and sustainability initiatives, and ideas to help get a more diverse and inclusive matchday experience, reaffirming our full commitment to developing the next generation of Town fans. We’re also going to continue to support Swindon Town women and look to work with charitable organisations around the Town and wider area.

On top of all that, we have other board members who are going to step up and start to communicate more regularly with you. Our aim is to involve our members all the way throughout this coming year, as without your support we wouldn’t be able to achieve anything.


Let's Work Together
Back in 2017 at our AGM, we made a plea to the club, the council, the supporters and the local media to work together and help this football club get back to where it belongs. “Let’s Work Together” was our rallying cry and in the last year we’ve seen that come to life, it’s been fantastic.

The club have been open with supporters throughout the year, answering questions on anything. I know from feedback outside in wider football circles that the Advisory Board minutes are something unique, the level of open communication is unbelievable to some. I don’t think we can ask for any more there.

The local media, like Swindon Advertiser and BBC Wiltshire have been excellent, reporting on things accurately and keeping STFC at the front of minds. Special mention to Jonny Leighfield at the Adver who I know works really hard to keep everyone informed, and also to Andrew Hawes at the BBC, who’s commentary and handling of post-match interviews has always been spot-on. 

On the Council front, we’ve obviously worked well with them in the last year, with the County Ground sale being approved and they have been very supportive overall throughout the lengthy discussions over the years.


The Sir Tom Broadbent Lounge
New media has also emerged and the recent addition of “The Sir Tom Broadbent Lounge” on Twitter has given lots of supporters a voice, through their regular ‘phone-in’ style interviews. 

Mark Hanrahan is one of the co-hosts, and a much-valued Gold-level Member of the Trust. His positivity shines through and so to see this new fan venture get off to such a great start was not a surprise.

If you haven’t tuned in yet, it’s well worth a listen and the recent interview with ex-CEO Nick Watkins was superb. (click here to listen to it) and you can access the old shows on Twitter (via @Safehandsstfc1) or catch-up through the other media platforms like YouTube, Audible, Spotify etc. 


The Official Supporters Club
Our relationship with the Supporters Club is probably the best it’s ever been and in years gone by (before my time) that was not always the case. We’ve collaborated and shared costs on a number of matchday related items that have really helped the club and the team, and it’s a great example of how we can make a difference when we stay positive and work towards common goals.  You can sign up and support their work via the OSC website.

Crowds were up dramatically, and in those last few games of the season it felt like the penny dropped for supporters – if we give plenty of vocal support on a match day, the team respond. Town fans form the final piece of the ‘Let’s Work Together’ winning formula.   

We have to keep working on that matchday experience, as it will make all the difference. It didn’t get us promoted this time, but we were close, and if we keep this momentum up off the field, we will soon see results on the field.


Finally, I wanted to say thanks on behalf of the entire Trust board to our new Joint Vice-Chairs of the Trust, James Spencer and Alex Pollock, who continue to be our main faces when it comes to fan engagement via the Official Supporters Club ‘On the Sofa’ events. 

It’s not easy to be on camera facing random questions with hundreds or even 1000+ watching and listening to your every word, but these two do a great job. 

Behind the scenes, we do ask the questions that supporters want asked, challenge the football club when they need to be challenged, and we try to relay feedback to the fans. The club has been inherited with many ongoing issues, and so it’s often difficult to pass on messages due to possible legal implications. It’s a delicate balancing act on what can be said and what can’t be said in the public domain, but these two get it just right. 

Alex and James will also continue to represent us at the Advisory board, and so if you have anything you’d like raised, please let us know via email [email protected] or via Twitter/Facebook (where Direct Messages work just fine).

Thanks for reading but as mentioned earlier, this is just a starting point - we are looking to increase communications to our membership, so you can expect further emails to arrive soon, with more Trust related updates.

Cheers,
Steve
 
Steve Mytton
Chairman, TrustSTFC


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:46:59
Well the email from the trust today at least made it clear that not all fan groups or platforms are considered part of the "Let's work together" message.

It should be changed to "Let's work together, unless you want to challenge us or question our methods"  Starting to question my membership of both the Trust and OSC tbh, i am not sure that they really do represent all fans, only the ones that will accept what the club want to do without question.
Honestly, I can’t see where you are coming from. Who are you saying they don’t represent?


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:53:52
I assume the absence of ls pod recognition and the interference of that being due to dare to ask questions.

not sure if that's correct (Bernie)

. not sure if that's the trust's intention even if I have interpreted it right


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:54:11
Well the email from the trust today at least made it clear that not all fan groups or platforms are considered part of the "Let's work together" message.

It should be changed to "Let's work together, unless you want to challenge us or question our methods"  Starting to question my membership of both the Trust and OSC tbh, i am not sure that they really do represent all fans, only the ones that will accept what the club want to do without question.

I’d be very interested to understand how you have gained the impression that the Trust “accepts everything the club wants to without question”?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:57:14
Meh, I certainly don’t agree with everything the Trust do/have done but I don’t see what’s wrong with that email..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 16:15:24
Honestly, I can’t see where you are coming from. Who are you saying they don’t represent?

The fans and groups that question things, it seems to me they are quite often given short shrift and not much in the way of answers to those questions.  A few examples being, the Man City price hike, due dilegence of Xavier and his mates, the proposed ticket price rise after releasing ticket pricing..

I realise that this is the whole reason for this thread but it seems to me that the trust are more aligned with the club now when they should be aligned with the fans and working on the fans behalf instead of the club.  Some actions that I have seen from members of the trust recently have reinforced my view on this, am not going to go into details but I did not like what I saw.

If "Let's work together" is indeed the mantra, then surely that should include all fans that have questioned things and have been asking for a while, and should also include groups like GW Reds and LSPOD to name a couple.  It's no coincidence to me that these groups are potentially ones that would be more willing to question things at the club and these are the ones that don't get mentioned in the newsletter as part of that working together - it is clear that they only want what they see as positive influences involved - which in my eyes is a potentially dangerous president based on previous experiences with owners..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 16:45:32
Well the email from the trust today at least made it clear that not all fan groups or platforms are considered part of the "Let's work together" message.

It should be changed to "Let's work together, unless you want to challenge us or question our methods"  Starting to question my membership of both the Trust and OSC tbh, i am not sure that they really do represent all fans, only the ones that will accept what the club want to do without question.

Berni, I think you know I have questioned this at several times earlier on. My gut feeling always was that since the RA move from Trust to CEO, the Trust has become purely an accepting mouthpiece and channel for Clem. I still think they hopped into bed too soon. It all feels a bit Nick Clegg with the Tories. Ugh.

I've stated it several times here, whenever there has been a question or a challenge, it often seems to be met in "defence" of the Club not to enact and take that forward and to then question the Club. That's not the role of the Trust to defend the club each time (I believe that's the Club's role). Yes, be a channel  or conduit to communicate but they are not meant to be mouthpiece/Spokesperson/outward PR for the Club. They need to realise their actual role because right now they've become far too "in bed" and lines are now becoming more blurred in this regard. There is less alignment to the fan base but this is the role the Trust should and always should play.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 16:56:18
Meh, I certainly don’t agree with everything the Trust do/have done but I don’t see what’s wrong with that email..

To be honest Chang, I can smell the spin dripping off that letter from here and as with many things, several often swallow it all up before it's too late; like a modern version of Romeo & Juliet ;)

The "Let's Work Together" mantra should maybe be changed to "Let's Say Yes And Not Notice The Elephant In The Room Together"


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 17:42:01
To be honest Chang, I can smell the spin dripping off that letter from here and as with many things, several often swallow it all up before it's too late; like a modern version of Romeo & Juliet ;)

The "Let's Work Together" mantra should maybe be changed to "Let's Say Yes And Not Notice The Elephant In The Room Together"
[/quoteOut of interest what is it that the trust will not ask that bothers you. I have genuinely yet to see what they have not answered or the club tbh. Pretty sure the Zavier Austin stuff was covered last year and he openly said about his prior conviction.

I see a lot of people saying they are cozy etc and i do agree that a few things of late they have been a bit bad with but last week the fans were saying they wanted to hear from the owners about new debt and budget cuts which have been addressed in the local media already

What are the actual things that you want them to stop doing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 17:43:43
The Trust have lost their purpose currently, there is a blurred line between them, the OSC and the club.  They are obviously enjoying working closely with the club but it has come at a cost to their independence and objectivity, they are basically doing what I would expect the OSC to do normally.

I think a few Trust board members such as James Spencer need to step away from social media for a while as they really aren’t showing the Trust in a great light currently IMO and getting beyond defensive when questions are asked.  


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:01:26
The Trust have lost their purpose currently, there is a blurred line between them, the OSC and the club.  They are obviously enjoying working closely with the club but it has come at a cost to their independence and objectivity, they are basically doing what I would expect the OSC to do normally.

I think a few Trust board members such as James Spencer need to step away from social media for a while as they really aren’t showing the Trust in a great light currently IMO and getting beyond defensive when questions are asked. 

Spot on


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:05:48
100 percent agree they have seemed alot more defensive lately. Still unsure though apart from that what they seem to have done wrong really. As far as i understand it the questions have now been answered that people want answering, if the Karachi and Hart questions are not answered that people seem to want by next advisory then yeah i get it but what is it they are not doing at the moment


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:14:36
This isn't me being argumentative either just intrigued to what some people see that i don't, and vice versa tbf. Maybe i am being blind to it myself


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:23:07

I see a lot of people saying they are cozy etc and i do agree that a few things of late they have been a bit bad with but last week the fans were saying they wanted to hear from the owners about new debt and budget cuts which have been addressed in the local media already

What are the actual things that you want them to stop doing

Allowing themselves to be used as the communication point to fans (in particular when bad news needs to be delivered) I would prefer to see them challenging bad news where possible on behalf of the fans.

Wearing the club hat when changes that would affect fans are proposed, such as price increases.  As a fan organisation you would expect the first reaction to price increases (whether for a special match or season pricing) to be no, but allow us to work with you on what might work to keep everybody happy.  Sending out a poll on twitter to gauge fan reaction and manage any potential fall out is not the way these things should be done.

Working day to day at the club answering emails and all of the other stuff that was stated online etc.  this all points towards them having the clubs best interests at heart over the fans.  I get it that sometimes things are in both sides interests, which is fine, but when the next thing comes along that isn't in the fans interest, the trust will find themselves in a difficult position to then pull the covers back and stand there supporting the fans, potentially against the clubs wishes.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 19:33:51
100 percent agree they have seemed alot more defensive lately. Still unsure though apart from that what they seem to have done wrong really. As far as i understand it the questions have now been answered that people want answering, if the Karachi and Hart questions are not answered that people seem to want by next advisory then yeah i get it but what is it they are not doing at the moment

For me it's not so much the Trust per se. I can see they are "triers", and there's nothing wrong with that. For me it's seemingly that Clem has played a masterstroke in appointing  RA as CEO; it's tugged at the heartstrings of several. On the surface that's a wonderful bit of PR but it has meant the Trust are appearing to vehemently nod and smile (I know James has said different but I don't fully buy it) all whilst ignoring bigger questions posed from the fanbase.

It's easy to address things like the continuation of physical programme sales and giving an 108 yr old the keys to SN1 for life and suchlike. Of course these things should be put forward and ensured the Club notices and then actions them. But when things become a little murky and more serious questions need to be fronted this is also where the Trust come in. Currently, they appear to have responded but responded as if they represent the Club and not representing a fan/supporter of the Club.

The guilt tripping from the off regarding season ticket renewals was such a red flag for me right at the beginning. I've continued stating I personally feel it doesn't look good but the Trust spun it to make it look like we were "all in this together". They essentially backed the Club stance (or rolled over) and if you didn't comply, then it made the fan/supporter look a bit of a cunt (it's moot as to whether they already were or not ;) ).

The short form in all of this is (and it's possibly regarding the CEO appointment) most of the time it's best not to mix business with pleasure. For me Clem knows what he was doing there and it's in no way detrimental to RA skills in business etc. I just feel that with him there it's given more time to the likes of Clem (and Xav/Zav) to crack on with whatever they are REALLY doing because on the outside, fans (and likely the Trust) will think "oh it's ok RA is there, we're in safe hands".

I would go as far as saying something else but I would rather discuss that one with my solicitors first :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 19:45:34
For me it's not so much the Trust per se. I can see they are "triers", and there's nothing wrong with that. For me it's seemingly that Clem has played a masterstroke in appointing  RA as CEO; it's tugged at the heartstrings of several. On the surface that's a wonderful bit of PR but it has meant the Trust are appearing to vehemently nod and smile (I know James has said different but I don't fully buy it) all whilst ignoring bigger questions posed from the fanbase.

It's easy to address things like the continuation of physical programme sales and giving an 108 yr old the keys to SN1 for life and suchlike. Of course these things should be put forward and ensured the Club notices and then actions them. But when things become a little murky and more serious questions need to be fronted this is also where the Trust come in. Currently, they appear to have responded but responded as if they represent the Club and not representing a fan/supporter of the Club.

The guilt tripping from the off regarding season ticket renewals was such a red flag for me right at the beginning. I've continued stating I personally feel it doesn't look good but the Trust spun it to make it look like we were "all in this together". They essentially backed the Club stance (or rolled over) and if you didn't comply, then it made the fan/supporter look a bit of a cunt (it's moot as to whether they already were or not ;) ).

The short form in all of this is (and it's possibly regarding the CEO appointment) most of the time it's best not to mix business with pleasure. For me Clem knows what he was doing there and it's in no way detrimental to RA skills in business etc. I just feel that with him there it's given more time to the likes of Clem (and Xav/Zav) to crack on with whatever they are REALLY doing because on the outside, fans (and likely the Trust) will think "oh it's ok RA is there, we're in safe hands".

I would go as far as saying something else but I would rather discuss that one with my solicitors first :)

This escalated quickly - so what do you REALLY think Clem is up to?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 00:07:40
This escalated quickly - so what do you REALLY think Clem is up to?

Well I knew I'd get slated - especially on here; that's nothing new. Can you categorically say you have zero concerns?

To answer your question...It could be anything but I would hazard a guess it might not be in the best interests of STFC and more likely in the interests of Formuni and anyone connected to Formuni (what an ironic anagram).


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 00:38:51
Well I knew I'd get slated - especially on here; that's nothing new. Can you categorically say you have zero concerns?

To answer your question...It could be anything but I would hazard a guess it might not be in the best interests of STFC and more likely in the interests of Formuni and anyone connected to Formuni (what an ironic anagram).

Slated?  Seems like sensible questioning.   
You're answer is essentially saying  "he owns Swindon town so he must be dodgy."   

We all get that but it's not rational.   


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 01:21:38
Slated?  Seems like sensible questioning.   
You're answer is essentially saying  "he owns Swindon town so he must be dodgy."   

We all get that but it's not rational.   

It's more rational than anything coming out of our incumbent government's mouth at present (or ever) but then again, that bar is fucking low.

But actually my answer didn't say that, those are your words or at the minimum they are your interpretation of my words. I've simply stated his interests are more likely for himself or those connected to him.

Would hardly be a shock would it?! Headline: Businessman is ruthless in making profit for himself...

Where my issue lays is that I'd rather that not happen whilst it's under ownership of STFC. As fans we've every right to be uber cautious and extra scrutinous - theory being, we've seen it all before.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 05:56:38
It's more rational than anything coming out of our incumbent government's mouth at present (or ever) but then again, that bar is fucking low.

But actually my answer didn't say that, those are your words or at the minimum they are your interpretation of my words. I've simply stated his interests are more likely for himself or those connected to him.

Would hardly be a shock would it?! Headline: Businessman is ruthless in making profit for himself...

Where my issue lays is that I'd rather that not happen whilst it's under ownership of STFC. As fans we've every right to be uber cautious and extra scrutinous - theory being, we've seen it all before.

I'm still not clear on what you REALLY think Clem is up to, if you are implying he is trying to make a profit? Then i've no issue with that as to make a profit he would have to get STFC up the leagues.

I'm not sure I how 'slated' you, I don't have any serious concerns, no.  Maybe I'm more of a glass hald full than empty kind of guy.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 06:18:19
Its not an outrageous comment.

No fucking way is it as simple as he fell in love with the club so he bought it. There's clearly an opportunity to make money somewhere, be it getting the club ship shape and flipping for profit or from the CG redevelopment...  which I don't have an issue with as long as the club is preserved and not run into the ground i'm more than happy for CM to gain from it.

My biggest, unsubstantiated, fear is that Clem isn't the true owner and just a puppet/ friendly face with limited skeletons to be the front man. People like ZA being involved and rumours of Standings continued involvement do little to ease these fears.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 06:28:23
Its not an outrageous comment.

No fucking way is it as simple as he fell in love with the club so he bought it. There's clearly an opportunity to make money somewhere, be it getting the club ship shape and flipping for profit or from the CG redevelopment...  which I don't have an issue with as long as the club is preserved and not run into the ground i'm more than happy for CM to gain from it.

My biggest, unsubstantiated, fear is that Clem isn't the true owner and just a puppet/ friendly face with limited skeletons to be the front man. People like ZA being involved and rumours of Standings continued involvement do little to ease these fears.



The last point I can understand, as that is what LP did but even in that case he wasn't a puppet.  The difference for me is that Clem has a business which actually generates profit and has stated that they will provide transparency, while actually delivering transparency on mutliple fronts.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 06:33:08
Lots of clubs have ‘front man’ owners with the finance coming from behind the scenes. The piss stains have the little Thai fella fronting for some kind of consortium funnelling the money.

I have no idea if Standing is still in the shadows - that may become clearer once the court case with Power is settled. But let’s be clear, without his supposed £6m he put in God knows what Power would have done. Obviously had no qualms about putting the club in admin if it suited him.

And you’re right, what independent means did Power have to run a club/own racehorses.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 13:52:23
Latest minutes Klaxon.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 13:56:56
I see Greg Norman has taken time off from sportswashing in golf to file our accounts.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 13:57:47
Latest minutes Klaxon.

Nice one. Will read now. Hopefully the questions asked in this have all been addressed. Otherwise, what’s the point? Then it really does reinforce it being a tick box.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 13:57:53
4,200 season tickets sold so far.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 13:58:10
I see Greg Norman has taken time off from sportswashing in golf to file our accounts.

The first thing I noticed! Good to see he's been 'putting' in the accounts on time.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 13:58:12
Latest minutes Klaxon.

Alleged debts in respect of Mercedes continue to be discussed.... has this been mentioned previously?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 13:59:52
Alleged debts in respect of Mercedes continue to be discussed.... has this been mentioned previously?

Was about to post the very same thing. Perhaps this is the mysterious new debt Zav Austin alluded to?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:02:14
Nothing much else stands out in there, apart from Jaybox getting himself an invite!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:10:47
Nothing much else stands out in there, apart from Jaybox getting himself an invite!

Surely our very own Rich Pullen from the Loathed Strangers Pod should be in line ahead of Cockbox?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:14:16
4,200 season tickets sold so far.

Really solid number, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:15:26
Getting a bit silly now. I don't know if it's just me but it doesn't come across very professional just having random people on the advisory board / attending meetings just to appease supporters.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:19:18
Really solid number, in my opinion.

Yeah that's really positive numbers to be fair. I had a feeling it would be less than that so it's good to read such good news.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:21:22
Yeah that's really positive numbers to be fair. I had a feeling it would be less than that so it's good to read such good news.
100%


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:22:25
Yeah that's really positive numbers to be fair. I had a feeling it would be less than that so it's good to read such good news.

How many did we get to in the season where Fitton & Co made them about 1/2 price. (You only need to attend about half the games to make it cost effective)

I know they were aiming at 6k, but didn't actually hit that target.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:23:13
- What is the status of ZA owers & directors test? Is he a board member?

- With regards to Karachi FC, ZA states 'this is costing our club and me a lot of money' in the below video, how much are the club putting towards this venture?

https://youtu.be/F-J_biGni9Y


- What is Adam Harts role at the club?




none the wiser here then.




Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:43:51
Nothing much else stands out in there, apart from Jaybox getting himself an invite!

Please, no more flags  :suicide:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:44:37
Surely our very own Rich Pullen from the Loathed Strangers Pod should be in line ahead of Cockbox?

I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon after some recent Pods asked some pertenant questions about the trusts positioning with the club. LSPOD is probably still on the naughty step.  Some people won't want to invite people that might ask relevant but difficult questions.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:44:40
Unsure what the number was before the season started last season. I'd heard 4,500 mentioned but that may have included half season tickets later in the season.

With prices going up and the situation around no card payments, getting close to that again has to be a result.

We could be on for some sort of record for the past couple of decades, if we manage to go up with card payments back in play.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:45:45
Yeah that's really positive numbers to be fair. I had a feeling it would be less than that so it's good to read such good news.

Me too - that is great stuff at this stage, even before we have a manager or any confirmed new/existing players


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:46:45
Unsure what the number was before the season started last season. I'd heard 4,500 mentioned but that may have included half season tickets later in the season.

With prices going up and the situation around no card payments, getting close to that again has to be a result.

We could be on for some sort of record for the past couple of decades, if we manage to go up with card payments back in play.

I am pretty certain I remember either 4300 or 4700 last year..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:47:00
Surely our very own Rich Pullen from the Loathed Strangers Pod should be in line ahead of Cockbox?

He (cockbox) certainly doesn't ''represent'' me as a fan.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:48:07
Unsure what the number was before the season started last season. I'd heard 4,500 mentioned but that may have included half season tickets later in the season.

With prices going up and the situation around no card payments, getting close to that again has to be a result.

We could be on for some sort of record for the past couple of decades, if we manage to go up with card payments back in play.

Within the notes it says that they hope to have all 4500 renewed before gen sale on the 18th June.

At least I thought I read that.....


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:55:32
I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon after some recent Pods asked some pertenant questions about the trusts positioning with the club. LSPOD is probably still on the naughty step.  Some people won't want to invite people that might ask relevant but difficult questions.

Not sure anyone bar the Trust and OSC should be on it, fuck where do you stop if you go down that route, inviting the Facebook group to attend the meetings, a rep from TEf?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 14:59:06
Surely our very own Rich Pullen from the Loathed Strangers Pod should be in line ahead of Cockbox?

Getting a bit silly now. I don't know if it's just me but it doesn't come across very professional just having random people on the advisory board / attending meetings just to appease supporters.

Not sure anyone bar the Trust and OSC should be on it, fuck where do you stop if you go down that route, inviting the Facebook group to attend the meetings, a rep from TEf?

The general goal is to get representation from all parts of the fanbase, I think Jay is (from the way I read it, I don't know him) a one-off invitation. Whatever else you might think of him, he clearly does represent a part of the fanbase and is willing to put effort into organising stuff rather than just sniping from the sidelines. If they rotated that spot between various pods/groups/forums then I think that would be fine.

Mostly because I now absolutely want to make them invite FlammableBen to an advisory board. Go on Rob Angus, you know it makes sense. I'm only half joking - we might be a bunch of prats for the most part, but we are representative of a decent size chunk of the fanbase.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 15:28:35
The general goal is to get representation from all parts of the fanbase, I think Jay is (from the way I read it, I don't know him) a one-off invitation. Whatever else you might think of him, he clearly does represent a part of the fanbase and is willing to put effort into organising stuff rather than just sniping from the sidelines. If they rotated that spot between various pods/groups/forums then I think that would be fine.

Mostly because I now absolutely want to make them invite FlammableBen to an advisory board. Go on Rob Angus, you know it makes sense. I'm only half joking - we might be a bunch of prats for the most part, but we are representative of a decent size chunk of the fanbase.
That will be the plan, let's get Rich on there


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Tails on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 15:49:09
Jay's done a lot of work with the club recently regarding foodbanks and getting flags & displays done so he's well known to them. Don't think it's a regular thing. Also he's been helping with The Sir Tom Broadbent Lounge Twitter space and that's become fairly popular recently.

Think it's a good idea to have Rich & his contributors involved as well to be honest. Particularly as they've had some feedback recently, I'd be interested to hear them raise their concerns.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, June 16, 2022, 16:24:14
Just a thought - but if everyone gets a turn on the AB, then wouldn't we all be potentially getting too close to the club and end up toeing the party line, as we'd all receive the same facts at the same time.   

Surely we'd all prefer being a bunch of moany (mainly old) cunts and make shit up on here all day.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Friday, June 17, 2022, 12:55:40
Why is JayBox being invited, who does he represent ? surely the Trust & SC are the correct ones as they represent their members and are answerable to their members, not sure I can see the benefit of sponsors wanting to come along.

Surely at these meetings certain things are discussed that are not for further public consumption at the time (for various reasons) and the invitation of these various people will stop that happening as they are unknown and cant be trusted for confidentiality.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 17, 2022, 12:58:52
Why is JayBox being invited, who does he represent ?

He represents the people!

(https://www.pmlive.com/__data/assets/image/0010/1193752/hand.jpg)

In his own head.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Sippo on Friday, June 17, 2022, 13:03:02
I bet he's jizzing in his pants. Always looking for attention from players.

It's a no from me.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 17, 2022, 13:09:11
Why is JayBox being invited, who does he represent ? surely the Trust & SC are the correct ones as they represent their members and are answerable to their members, not sure I can see the benefit of sponsors wanting to come along.

Surely at these meetings certain things are discussed that are not for further public consumption at the time (for various reasons) and the invitation of these various people will stop that happening as they are unknown and cant be trusted for confidentiality.



It does literally explain this in the minutes. He's been invited as a representative of the Sir Tom Broadbent Lounge (a Twitter fan group thing). The implication is further fan groups will be invited in later months and presumably rotated. The Trust and OSC have a regular invitation already.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Friday, June 17, 2022, 13:15:05
What about the TEF World Cup Stunners Group?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, June 17, 2022, 13:54:50
Referring back to earlier posts, I do hope there is no genuine antipathy towards the (perfectly reasonable, measured) observations on the LS pod about the Trust’s governance and interaction with the club. I say that having been an orange hat / back of Arkells Diamandis basher, and Trust member. We’re very lucky to have the LS pod. Rich has always let the guests (fans, players, former players) take centre stage, just as a good commentator only speaks when they’re adding something. If the intention is for the club to engage with these channels, don’t go and exclude one just because they’ve put up a fair challenge. That constructive feedback should be welcomed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 17, 2022, 14:07:21
What about the TEF World Cup Stunners Group?

Another fun past time ruined by the joyless modern society. RIP.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, June 17, 2022, 14:31:05
Referring back to earlier posts, I do hope there is no genuine antipathy towards the (perfectly reasonable, measured) observations on the LS pod about the Trust’s governance and interaction with the club. I say that having been an orange hat / back of Arkells Diamandis basher, and Trust member. We’re very lucky to have the LS pod. Rich has always let the guests (fans, players, former players) take centre stage, just as a good commentator only speaks when they’re adding something. If the intention is for the club to engage with these channels, don’t go and exclude one just because they’ve put up a fair challenge. That constructive feedback should be welcomed.
It sounds like noone is going to be excluded and it will soon have to be held in legends lounge.

Any media outlet can request interviews and ask questions directly, they are there primarily to entertain and are accountable to no-one.   The trust and OSC have hundreds of members some of whom will listen to the pods but I suspect the majority don't.

I'm not sure that the the AB was ever intended to be a press conference type of forum or a free for all, do we really want it to turn into question time?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Friday, June 17, 2022, 15:16:06
It sounds like noone is going to be excluded and it will soon have to be held in legends lounge.

Any media outlet can request interviews and ask questions directly, they are there primarily to entertain and are accountable to no-one.   The trust and OSC have hundreds of members some of whom will listen to the pods but I suspect the majority don't.

I'm not sure that the the AB was ever intended to be a press conference type of forum or a free for all, do we really want it to turn into question time?


Agreed, it is odd why they want to invite random fans just because they do a podcast type thing on twitter (not knocking LS as Rich has been doing it a long time and they are decent), the tom broadbent one for e.g. is fairly new, certain subjects and answers will surely have to be held back due to confidentiality.

Isn't that JayBox fella the one that used to brag about being in touch with Clem years ago before the takeover (and it turned out he used to message him on linked in) ?

Let's all go and start a twitter group and get invited along, maybe the mods from TEF can be invited as well to represent the TEF.

To me it takes away what the advisory board is supposed to be about and belittles it's existence slightly, be interesting to hear the Trust take on it as they ok'd it.

Maybe the bigger sponsors can add something as chances are they are high up in their business, or will it be inviting Bill the cleaner as well (no offence meant) because he is a lifetime fan can afford sponsorship.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Friday, June 17, 2022, 16:54:49
Referring back to earlier posts, I do hope there is no genuine antipathy towards the (perfectly reasonable, measured) observations on the LS pod about the Trust’s governance and interaction with the club. I say that having been an orange hat / back of Arkells Diamandis basher, and Trust member. We’re very lucky to have the LS pod. Rich has always let the guests (fans, players, former players) take centre stage, just as a good commentator only speaks when they’re adding something. If the intention is for the club to engage with these channels, don’t go and exclude one just because they’ve put up a fair challenge. That constructive feedback should be welcomed.

Not the club, no..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, June 17, 2022, 18:37:33


none the wiser here then.



Never going to ask any questions that might risk harming the cushy little relationship!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 10:37:23
Why are Lee Power, Taylor Curran etc on that thank you plaque the club has put up?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 10:38:59
seriously?

I mean did they have season tickets they didn't claim back? I guess testing everyone the same if so, but a bit odd to say the least


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 10:48:47
seriously?

I mean did they have season tickets they didn't claim back? I guess testing everyone the same if so, but a bit odd to say the least
Yep they are on there, seen for myself. See it as a bit of a joke personally!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Private Fraser on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 11:16:30
Why are Lee Power, Taylor Curran etc on that thank you plaque the club has put up?
seriously?

I mean did they have season tickets they didn't claim back? I guess testing everyone the same if so, but a bit odd to say the least

Yep they are on there, seen for myself. See it as a bit of a joke personally!

Don't panic chaps. It was reported earlier that it's a different Lee Power. I think it was mentioned at the Trust AGM or a Supporters' Club Monday night panel.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 11:35:47
Don't panic chaps. It was reported earlier that it's a different Lee Power. I think it was mentioned at the Trust AGM or a Supporters' Club Monday night panel.
There can’t be another Taylor Curran…

Standing in on there as well.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 12:16:53
Yep they are on there, seen for myself. See it as a bit of a joke personally!
Where is the plaque located ??


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 12:26:54
Where is the plaque located ??
Townend wall next to the centre gate.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 15:17:41
given it a bit of time to digest

I've no problem with Jay the person, seems a heart in the right place type and also be likes BBQ food so he can't be bad.

But I'm not  sure putting someone who is friends with Clem, or at least in contact with him is really adding to the objectivity of the board.

interesting he's been rebranded away from the great Western reds too.

I guess I consider the AB fun part information and cooperation, and part holding club to account. the latter isn't really very strong.

sponsors, yeah I guess they may add to commercials side of things but again it's this AB business.

I guess at least it's better in many ways to the power era.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 15:19:03
it is it a different fan representative per meeting (rotating guests)?

if so, ignore the above


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 15:24:06
it is it a different fan representative per meeting (rotating guests)?

if so, ignore the above

It's not absolutely clear but that's the implication as I read it. Would hope so - should probably be inviting the disabled supporters group and the LGBT one before random fans but no real issue with rotating.


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 15:28:10
yeah, rotation fine. at least fair anyway.

if the trust won't ask questions publicly I look forward to the two fans forums that the club should hold this season


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 17:24:31
Tansmedia getting an invite soon i hope


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: ron dodgers on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 22:38:00
it is it a different fan representative per meeting (rotating guests)?

yes, it's one cunt per meeting, I'm next


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 07:00:49
Tansmedia getting an invite soon i hope
Surely Tansmedia doesn't need an invite to report in depth on it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 11:15:42
Moving from the managerial thread - 2 recent questions.

* Did Zavier Austin pass the EFL fit and proper test and why was this not communicated? (if it was, then scrap this question)
* Why is Zavier Austin's name not on the Who's Who list if he is a director at the club?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 11:22:25
Ok so from recent correspondence across threads it would seem that there are still unanswered questions for the Trust/STFC to answer. I'm more than happy to send the email to the Trust/whoever but I would ask that someone (I'm looking at you NMH :) ) could collate the remaining open questions into one list of queries which I can then put into an email? Hopefully we might then get these answered in the next Advisory Board to put minds at rest for the new season?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 11:23:03
What is Michael Standing’s role at the club currently is another that needs to be asked. Seems we lose our FA charge defence of blaming everything on the Power era with Standing still involved with the club…


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 11:33:46
Ok so from recent correspondence across threads it would seem that there are still unanswered questions for the Trust/STFC to answer. I'm more than happy to send the email to the Trust/whoever but I would ask that someone (I'm looking at you NMH :) ) could collate the remaining open questions into one list of queries which I can then put into an email? Hopefully we might then get these answered in the next Advisory Board to put minds at rest for the new season?

Good idea.

Better we start doing ourselves than asking trust to do it- as the last time we asked them they simply didn’t do it. Be good to see Angus and Clem on a phone in. Can’t swerve any questions then, last time they could as they were all football related. These will all be board related.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 11:41:31
It will also be interesting to know why the club does not announce the length of player contracts.

I would expect the Trust guys (and girls) to interact with fans via a forum like this, even if it is to ask for some time, we know they frequent here.

Equally they need to shake the vision that they are not prepared to ask Clem & co any hard questions (which I'm sure is not true), they have put in a lot of hard work and deserve credit for it but don't want that ruined by being accused of being to close.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 12:01:05
another Q

who is the long term debt owed to and when is it due.

We have £4M in debenture and "other debts" in addition to the current 1.xM due this season.

may not be callable until <insert condition> so not really an immediate concern ..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 12:12:23
They are too close.  They need to take a step back over to the fans side.  A high number of the questions being asked in this thread should be being asked by the trust anyway, the questions aren't difficult to come up with, they are the same questions that a fans represented trust should raise without asking for us to list them out for them.

The trust deserves a huge amount of credit for what they have done, agreed, but they need to make sure that they don't forget what they were created for in the first place.  Yes to provide a financial and physical safety net for the fans/club by raising money and working on things like ground purchase etc. but the day to day role of the trust should be to help put the fans voices to the club and uphold what the fans would like to see, not put the clubs voice to the fans and not question what that voice is saying.

The trust members on here have turned into lurkers and only pop up when they want to be one of the ITKers.  The problem they have is that there are enough ITKers on here already when what they are saying is not entirely true because of how the club want to spin things and that is not a good look for the trust.

They could fix this pretty quickly by taking a step back from the club on a day to day basis and take a step back towards the fans.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 12:14:48
- What is the status of ZA owers & directors test? Is he a board member?

- With regards to Karachi FC, ZA states 'this is costing our club and me a lot of money' in the below video, how much are the club putting towards this venture?

https://youtu.be/F-J_biGni9Y


- What is Adam Harts role at the club?




bumping for the Karachi & Hart questions.



also the opening remarks of the AB talk about presenting a 1, 3, 5 and 10 year plan that will aim to carry and develop STFC into the future. when should we expect to see this? delete if we have and ive missed it.


thanks


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 12:29:12
https://twitter.com/mtholmes84/status/1539162752287227905?s=21&t=aGByRo7BuNTIeUH1-rupWw

Need more of this from people. Stating facts and holding those relevant to account. Pointless being a lovely bloke and pulling the wool over your eyes thinking this regime are whiter than white.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 12:39:24
https://twitter.com/mtholmes84/status/1539162752287227905?s=21&t=aGByRo7BuNTIeUH1-rupWw

Need more of this from people. Stating facts and holding those relevant to account. Pointless being a lovely bloke and pulling the wool in your eyes thinking this regime are whiter than white.



I'm confused - are you referring to the standing question as presenting facts?   If so is there evidence now that he's involved as I missed that?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 12:50:26
What is Michael Standing’s role at the club currently is another that needs to be asked. Seems we lose our FA charge defence of blaming everything on the Power era with Standing still involved with the club…

Apart from he's no longer a football agent, making it legal (I believe)

But yeah, it doesn't look very good at all.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 12:53:13
another Q

who is the long term debt owed to and when is it due.

We have £4M in debenture and "other debts" in addition to the current 1.xM due this season.

may not be callable until <insert condition> so not really an immediate concern ..

Great question.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:05:32
Here is something else that might be of concern, and it might be a case of 2+2 = a million but here goes.

Our new assistant is going to be Jamie Day. Apparently he's close to the Welling setup, and which of our ex-players signed for Welling on a season long loan? Taylor Curran. It could of course be coincidence but I think it's worth getting the orange hats dusted off maybe.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:09:26
Adam Hart is the other fella we need clarity around isn't it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:11:09
Adam Hart is the other fella we need clarity around isn't it?
I thought I’d seen a comment re. Hart along the lines of he’s involved with the fitness company/staff the club uses, but I can’t recall if that was a comment from the club or from James Spencer…


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:12:12
Here is something else that might be of concern, and it might be a case of 2+2 = a million but here goes.

Our new assistant is going to be Jamie Hand. Apparently he's close to the Welling setup, and which of our ex-players signed for Welling on a season long loan? Taylor Curran. It could of course be coincidence but I think it's worth getting the orange hats dusted off maybe.

SL played at Welling as well.....

If it is to be Hand I would hope our fans would be more kickered twisted about his links to Oxford and his most recent role at Port Vale...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:15:18
Apart from he's no longer a football agent, making it legal (I believe)

But yeah, it doesn't look very good at all.
But he clearly was involved to begin with when he was an agent. If you then base your whole defence is blaming it on the previous regime yet a lot of the previous regime are still involved it surely undermines the whole thing. Also the fact it comes out on here and Twitter rather than from the club or AB just makes it look like something they want to hide.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:16:36
I thought I’d seen a comment re. Hart along the lines of he’s involved with the fitness company/staff the club uses, but I can’t recall if that was a comment from the club or from James Spencer…
But that’s not the full story is it as he’s been a director on one of Austin’s construction companies prior to the fitness gig. Also what is his new role next season?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:20:51
But he clearly was involved to begin with when he was an agent. If you then base your whole defence is blaming it on the previous regime yet a lot of the previous regime are still involved it surely undermines the whole thing. Also the fact it comes out on here and Twitter rather than from the club or AB just makes it look like something they want to hide.

Again I must have missed something - where is the evidence that Standing is involved?  I'm genuinely interested.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:21:03
Theakston - I hadn’t realised there was that link to be fair, just assumed the concern was around his previous criminal exploits! The plot thickens…


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:21:18
SL played at Welling as well.....

If it is to be Hand I would hope our fans would be more kickered twisted about his links to Oxford and his most recent role at Port Vale...

Sorry I made a total James Hunt of that. Jamie Day, not Jamie Hand.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:22:55
I wanted an Adver headline

Lindsey Gives Hand Job


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:23:28
I wanted an Adver headline

Lindsey Gives Hand Job

 :clap: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:23:33
Here is something else that might be of concern, and it might be a case of 2+2 = a million but here goes.

Our new assistant is going to be Jamie Day. Apparently he's close to the Welling setup, and which of our ex-players signed for Welling on a season long loan? Taylor Curran. It could of course be coincidence but I think it's worth getting the orange hats dusted off maybe.

I think you will find it's Jamie Day and not Jamie Hand.

EDIT:  I see that you have already corrected, sorry


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:25:30
The Bangladesh manager?!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:25:48
Day hasn’t been involved with Welling since 2017 and is currently manager of Bangladesh national team.

Any tie in with our Karachi con?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:26:44
Day hasn’t been involved with Welling since 2017 and is currently manager of Bangladesh national team.

Any tie in with our Karachi con?

He isn’t anymore. Wiki just out of date by all accounts he left in 2021


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:27:23
I think you will find it's Jamie Day and not Jamie Hand.

EDIT:  I see that you have already corrected, sorry

Yeah I went on Wiki to have a look at Jamie Day and realised I had got the totally wrong person! Interesting that Day preferred a "Long Ball" approach when he was manager of Bangladesh.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:33:06
He isn’t anymore. Wiki just out of date by all accounts he left in 2021

Still been involved with Bangladesh much more recently than Welling, unless of course Curran has declared for Bangladesh now.....


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:38:22
Still been involved with Bangladesh much more recently than Welling, unless of course Curran has declared for Bangladesh now.....

He apparently is close to the Welling setup still.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 13:48:55
Again I must have missed something - where is the evidence that Standing is involved?  I'm genuinely interested.

He's not


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 14:37:47
He's not
‘Officially’.  It was even confirmed in here by our ‘ITK’ residents in here he’s still involved yesterday. Apparently it will be addressed on the OSC panel so let’s see the official line.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 14:39:36
I think the official line will be "he's not involved" because he isn't.

Will happily eat humble pie if I'm wrong but I'm pretty confident on this....


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 14:40:12
‘Officially’.  It was even confirmed in here by our ‘ITK’ residents in here he’s still involved yesterday. Apparently it will be addressed on the OSC panel so let’s see the official line.

I saw an interesting thread on twitter about that, are you the guy with the 3 initials and the picture of a car on it out of interest?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 14:50:34
‘Officially’.  It was even confirmed in here by our ‘ITK’ residents in here he’s still involved yesterday. Apparently it will be addressed on the OSC panel so let’s see the official line.
Think i will eat humble pie on that one. I was told by a few that he was involved. I have been told today by others that he is not so what it does highlight is the question needs addressing either way.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:09:02
Think i will eat humble pie on that one. I was told by a few that he was involved. I have been told today by others that he is not so what it does highlight is the question needs addressing either way.
To be fair it wasn’t you that raised his name so I don’t think it’s just come based off your post and I’ve heard off multiple people he’s still lurking in the background. Of course everyone could be hearing off the same people who have got it wrong, but generally there’s no smoke without fire.

For me the club needs to respect what we have been through in the past and eliminate any murkiness behind the scenes. I mean we’ve even had a non-director pulling the strings previously so it not surprising people are concerned with some off the lurkers.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RJack on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:10:58
Here is something else that might be of concern, and it might be a case of 2+2 = a million but here goes.

Our new assistant is going to be Jamie Day. Apparently he's close to the Welling setup, and which of our ex-players signed for Welling on a season long loan? Taylor Curran. It could of course be coincidence but I think it's worth getting the orange hats dusted off maybe.

Just out of curiosity where has it been confirmed that Day is to be Lindseys assistant? 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:25:06
Just out of curiosity where has it been confirmed that Day is to be Lindseys assistant? 


Matthew Walker put it on his ''rumour account''. Make of that what you will.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RJack on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:27:11
Ok thanks.  Seems a strange appointment if true


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:35:12
Matthew Walker put it on his ''rumour account''. Make of that what you will.

The same account that said the two Scott’s had left, and 24 hours later revealing that one of them was going to be the new head coach.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:38:13
Just out of curiosity where has it been confirmed that Day is to be Lindseys assistant? 


Nothing official. Name I heard from one of my ITK sources! Muhahahah


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:39:07
The same account that said the two Scott’s had left, and 24 hours later revealing that one of them was going to be the new head coach.

That's the one  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:40:49
I don't understand the no smoke without fire comments as the internet has made that phrase obsolete.
For example there's thousands of videos on you tube trying to explain that the earth is flat when it isn't.

The internet is a very efficient spreader of bullshit.   Take a good sniff first before you believe anything.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:47:56
Think i will eat humble pie on that one. I was told by a few that he was involved. I have been told today by others that he is not so what it does highlight is the question needs addressing either way.

So you told people a rumour, then said it was false but still think the club should answer the question? Interesting.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:52:34
I don't understand the no smoke without fire comments as the internet has made that phrase obsolete.
For example there's thousands of videos on you tube trying to explain that the earth is flat when it isn't.

The internet is a very efficient spreader of bullshit.   Take a good sniff first before you believe anything.
It depends whether your blindly following accounts like Matthew Walker or if the information is coming from people you trust who do have legitimate sources within the club. Taking this site for example, and pertinent to Standing as it was he who brought him up yesterday but as much as he talks in riddles I think you’d be foolish to ignore what DoB says (unless it’s relating to Conroy  :) )
There’s enough to justify it needing to be properly addressed, and the Trust haven’t dismissed it out of hand just saying it will get clarified at a future OSC panel which in itself suggests there is something in it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:55:49
So you told people a rumour, then said it was false but still think the club should answer the question? Interesting.
I think it's better the club answer the question than loads of us on the internet yes. I know what i think, others won't which is why they should probably address the question.. Nothing more sinister than that i promise


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 15:59:19
I wasn't suggesting anything sinister, I suppose the point I was making was it's a rumour that some one started, if the club answered every rumour, would they actually get anything done with the sheer amount of them


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 16:07:49
Yeah it's a fair point and one Tails mentioned earlier. I think sometimes if one has been going around a long time and is of importance it's worth responding to but again that's just my opinion.

I can imagine it gets tedious hearing a 100 different things about what you are supposed to be doing daily


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 16:19:42
Nothing official. Name I heard from one of my ITK sources! Muhahahah

I think you and I have the same source :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 16:49:05
I think you and I have the same source :)

More than likely mate!  :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Blunsdonsfinest on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 17:39:34
When will we see the transparency you quote.? I have seen numerous questions put to you about issues and you always seem to dodge the ?  Have we not learnt nothing from the past !


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 17:46:54
I think it's better the club answer the question than loads of us on the internet yes. I know what i think, others won't which is why they should probably address the question.. Nothing more sinister than that i promise

I think I think what you think..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 18:20:11
Standing, Austin… it’s a tough one. If the Trust asked the questions, publicly, I suspect that they would be shown the door in no time. Morfuni has chosen to associate the club with rogues. Or the rogues are actually in charge and Morfuni fronts it, who knows. The Trust have a role for as long as they tow the line so they can’t realistically do everything we’d like and I think we know that they mean very well. The difficulty is that, because they are not arms-length but fully aware of goings on, it seems, that they’ll become guilty by association in the eyes of some if there are any future misdemeanours. Based on their past, I’d think twice about getting involved in any business with Zavier Austin or Michael Standing.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Crispy on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 18:33:25
Why is the quality of the new kits so Bad?? Had two for my girls arrive today, no sponsors on the shirts and no badges on the shorts.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 19:01:45
Seen someone missing a puma badge too. Bit odd. Would take them back mate.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 19:07:44
Seen someone missing a puma badge too. Bit odd. Would take them back mate.
I’m not aware of the mechanics of the customised shirts but are they actually made by Puma for small orders like ours or are they outsourced and then branded by Puma? Would explain the lack of badges, quality control etc. I couldn’t imagine a product leaving a Puma facility without their own logo on it?

Definitely need an embroidered logo or at the very least it be stitched on as they are always peeling off.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 19:59:34
I ordered one and it had Oxford United badge on it


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 21:20:56
I ordered one and it had Oxford United badge on it

Not Swansea?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 21:51:49
That one peeled off


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, June 21, 2022, 23:29:33
I'd pay good money for a version of every seasons kit without sponsors on it, the good old days of GWR logos are gone, instead we've got betcunt or uninspiring business logo number 75.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy to be supported by some local business over a multinational conglomerate with disreputable ethics and tax status, but still... Imagine cruising...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Crispy on Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 05:43:29
I'd pay good money for a version of every seasons kit without sponsors on it, the good old days of GWR logos are gone, instead we've got betcunt or uninspiring business logo number 75.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy to be supported by some local business over a multinational conglomerate with disreputable ethics and tax status, but still... Imagine cruising...

I've got a 9-12 Month & a 3-4 Years you're welcome too  :wink:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 22, 2022, 06:27:38
I've got a 9-12 Month & a 3-4 Years you're welcome too  :wink:
So glad you quoted a post there


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 18:28:11
https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1541070259830022144?t=jkKf1B_ZJpJmJuqI3II1eg&s=19

Hi Town Fans we have the next Advisory board a week Tuesday so please let us know if you have any questions or topics you want raised. #STFC


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 18:46:16
https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1541070259830022144?t=jkKf1B_ZJpJmJuqI3II1eg&s=19

Hi Town Fans we have the next Advisory board a week Tuesday so please let us know if you have any questions or topics you want raised. #STFC
Looking at the replies to that it’s going to be increasingly hard for them to dodge the hard questions as an increasing number of people are asking them which is good.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 19:05:44
yeah, there seemed to be a good coverage of most of the big questions from here I think.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 19:54:31
Interestingly when I spoke to someone close to the trust recently they tried to claim that ours is a different Adam Hart to the one on the most wanted posters.

I have also met Zav Austin twice through commercial work I do with the club. Both times he has given away news the club probably wanted to keep secret, I do not see how he can be trusted at all if he is so happy to blab to anyone.


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 20:25:53
so is it that Adam Hart or not?

if it is, and he's a third party simply providing training expertise it could just be a case of helping a mate out.

with all things STFC people, myself included, do fear the worst when it comes to something a bit smelly


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 20:38:43
Good news these questions are being consistently asked by fans. Time for the Trust to (attempt to) deliver.

As is the way, fans will forget many these things if the on pitch stuff is going the right way. But trouble when behind the scenes lurches from very very shady to incompetent, and we have a budget director of football, budget manager and have so far made budget signings.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 20:55:49
Stand and bloody deliver Trust. We your investors want some answers.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 21:06:41
Investors?

The trust is its members. The board are the people we vote in to represent us.

They are volunteers that I'm sure are doing their best

However that doesn't mean they get everything right, that they aren't a bit closer to the club than they should be right now.

for example, the Karachi thing (again). it's pretty inconceivable the board hasn't wondered 'wtf' themselves.

Maybe they know the answer, maybe they have asked without response. Maybe the response isn't adequate. who knows.

Buy it's not been communicated, so we the members have every right to ask if them what's going on.

Especially when transparency was made such a  big thing.

Especially if it's costing the club money given the tight financial reigns elsewhere.

I guess I'm not aiming this ramble at anyone in particular, just dumping it down.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 21:09:59
Investors?

The trust is its members. The board are the people we vote in to represent us.

They are volunteers that I'm sure are doing their best

However that doesn't mean they get everything right, that they aren't a bit closer to the club than they should be right now.

for example, the Karachi thing (again). it's pretty inconceivable the board hasn't wondered 'wtf' themselves.

Maybe they know the answer, maybe they have asked without response. Maybe the response isn't adequate. who knows.

Buy it's not been communicated, so we the members have every right to ask if them what's going on.

Especially when transparency was made such a  big thing.

Especially if it's costing the club money given the tight financial reigns elsewhere.

I guess I'm not aiming this ramble at anyone in particular, just dumping it down.

All really good points, let’s hope we actually get the answers or an indication on what’s going on.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, June 26, 2022, 21:35:31
Interestingly when I spoke to someone close to the trust recently they tried to claim that ours is a different Adam Hart to the one on the most wanted posters.

I have also met Zav Austin twice through commercial work I do with the club. Both times he has given away news the club probably wanted to keep secret, I do not see how he can be trusted at all if he is so happy to blab to anyone.


Would love to know who is saying this from the trust 😳.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 27, 2022, 09:04:19

Would love to know who is saying this from the trust 😳.
Close to the trust he said. Important you get that right as that will be the next rumour flying around


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, June 27, 2022, 09:46:16
Nowhere to hide from the hard questions now. If they aren't asked and detailed in the minutes then we have a problem.

What a club.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, June 27, 2022, 09:48:56
It's 1000% *that* Adam Hart too. And it's not just an old picture from November doing the rounds, he was at the CG on Thursday infront of my own eyes.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Monday, June 27, 2022, 13:20:56
Here is something else that might be of concern, and it might be a case of 2+2 = a million but here goes.

Our new assistant is going to be Jamie Day. Apparently he's close to the Welling setup, and which of our ex-players signed for Welling on a season long loan? Taylor Curran. It could of course be coincidence but I think it's worth getting the orange hats dusted off maybe.

2+2 = 4


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Monday, June 27, 2022, 13:50:04
2+2 = 4

So, what is the link then?

We’ve appointed Jamie Day because Taylor Curran is there on loan?
Who does that specifically benefit and how exactly?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: aroundthefur on Monday, June 27, 2022, 14:24:13
Do we know who brought Andy Curran to the club in the first place?

Power? Austin? Morfuni?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, June 27, 2022, 14:55:06
Yep


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: aroundthefur on Monday, June 27, 2022, 14:55:59
But is there a particular link with one of the three?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, June 27, 2022, 15:18:18
But is there a particular link with one of the three?

Horse racing and Lee Power I believe but could be bollocks.

Is there any evidence that he's still involved in the club?
There's nothing other than rumour that I have seen


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Monday, June 27, 2022, 15:35:26
So, what is the link then?

We’ve appointed Jamie Day because Taylor Curran is there on loan?
Who does that specifically benefit and how exactly?

Coming to a football club near you: https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/they-wanted-control-of-the-club-but?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Monday, June 27, 2022, 15:42:43
Coming to a football club near you: https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/they-wanted-control-of-the-club-but?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct

Again, what’s the link?

Taylor Curran goes on loan to Welling and their assistant manager comes to us because (??) he can help Andrew Curran try and buy the club? By doing what (??)

Sorry if I’m being really, really dense here but what is the actual link and what is the logic?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 27, 2022, 15:44:21
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't let Andy Curran anywhere near the football club.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 27, 2022, 15:54:02
Rob Angus is on the Monday Night Panel tonight, hopefully a few important questions get asked.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, June 27, 2022, 15:59:58
Coming to a football club near you: https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/they-wanted-control-of-the-club-but?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct

This is old news (thankfully for Rochdale!)

We know he was almost certainly paying for his son to play, as Agombar's dad did - That was under Power.
Why do you think he's still involved?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, June 27, 2022, 17:49:45
Rob Angus is on the Monday Night Panel tonight, hopefully a few important questions get asked.
Sadly not, the disclaimer was given straight away that the questions directed at the Trust will not be asked and will be taken to the advisory board! ‘Operational matters’ only tonight


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 27, 2022, 17:51:46
I think that's fair enough. as long as they get asked, answered


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 27, 2022, 18:00:44
Sadly not, the disclaimer was given straight away that the questions directed at the Trust will not be asked and will be taken to the advisory board! ‘Operational matters’ only tonight

Ta, not watching so thanks.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 27, 2022, 18:30:42
Sadly not, the disclaimer was given straight away that the questions directed at the Trust will not be asked and will be taken to the advisory board! ‘Operational matters’ only tonight
Find it quite interesting how understanding people are when it is the supporters club. If it was the Trust tonight not answering the question they would be battered


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, June 27, 2022, 18:43:17
Depends on what you consider the supporters club’s remit to be. I’ve always considered the trust to be the group who should be holding the club to account whereas the supporters club are unlikely to speak out unless we are on the brink


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 27, 2022, 18:44:42
To be fair the supporters club have by and large been just that. Never really ones to get into the politics and running of the coin

Power was an exception, the club was going under


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 27, 2022, 18:57:32
Find it interesting still that despite that you can see that their members are asking the same questions that's all. Good to see they said they will ask the questions so that's good


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Monday, June 27, 2022, 20:20:27
Again, what’s the link?

Taylor Curran goes on loan to Welling and their assistant manager comes to us because (??) he can help Andrew Curran try and buy the club? By doing what (??)

Sorry if I’m being really, really dense here but what is the actual link and what is the logic?

May end up joint owning one club and has links to the other. Unfortunately that is not the way round you'd hope for.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Monday, June 27, 2022, 20:20:53
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't let Andy Curran anywhere near the football club.

Wishful thinking.

This ownership were with him in the club when Power was at the helm.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 27, 2022, 20:35:30
Think people are forgetting that the current owner and previous owner fell out. They are still fighting through courts, its not as if they are pally


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Monday, June 27, 2022, 20:37:38
Sadly not, the disclaimer was given straight away that the questions directed at the Trust will not be asked and will be taken to the advisory board! ‘Operational matters’ only tonight

Says it all - what happened to transparency?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Monday, June 27, 2022, 20:45:13
Think people are forgetting that the current owner and previous owner fell out. They are still fighting through courts, its not as if they are pally

Not sure how that's relevant. Power may be gone but Clem, Austin, Curran, Standing, Hart, Karachi FC etc all still exist


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, June 27, 2022, 20:51:31
Debentures

They are still registered at companies House to Andrew  Black.   They are a debt not equity, so no voting rights.

Of course they are annoying but aren't anything new and is a legacy issue that the club need to work through.  I can't see any risk of him taking the club over even if he did own the debentures which he legally doesn't.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 27, 2022, 20:56:45
so power *didn't* buy the debentures from black?

one assumes Clem taking control of the club didn't trigger then


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 27, 2022, 21:13:04
Not sure how that's relevant. Power may be gone but Clem, Austin, Curran, Standing, Hart, Karachi FC etc all still exist
Well yes, that's a different point to what i was answering though isn't it. You mentioned they were close to Power, they were and fell out. That's right isn't it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 27, 2022, 21:15:51
And at the risk of thinking i am sticking up for them i really am not there are a shit load of questions that i think need clearing up


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Monday, June 27, 2022, 21:35:22
Like everyone else I would prefer to think everything is all roses and ice creams. However, the specific details I have heard suggest I think the club is about to head down a very dark path. I caveat that I cannot verify any of these because I am far too removed from their origins, but they are so specific and keep adding up.

The problem the fanbase have, if this is correct, is it's very hard to turn on the ownership due to the cognitive dissonance of a year of believing "we've got our club back".  

However, if results go turn south then fans will turn a more critical eye to the off pitch. Power did a credible job of at least pretending he cared about results - appointing Sherwood, Brown, Flitcroft, Wellens might not all have worked out great but they all had a level of credibility. Appointing Sandro and Scott is at best extremely underwhelming, but more realistically a signal of the club's lack of interest on the on field results.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 27, 2022, 23:29:18
Find it quite interesting how understanding people are when it is the supporters club. If it was the Trust tonight not answering the question they would be battered

Or certain Pods when they do ask the questions..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, June 27, 2022, 23:32:17
Like everyone else I would prefer to think everything is all roses and ice creams. However, the specific details I have heard suggest I think the club is about to head down a very dark path. I caveat that I cannot verify any of these because I am far too removed from their origins, but they are so specific and keep adding up.

The problem the fanbase have, if this is correct, is it's very hard to turn on the ownership due to the cognitive dissonance of a year of believing "we've got our club back".  

However, if results go turn south then fans will turn a more critical eye to the off pitch. Power did a credible job of at least pretending he cared about results - appointing Sherwood, Brown, Flitcroft, Wellens might not all have worked out great but they all had a level of credibility. Appointing Sandro and Scott is at best extremely underwhelming, but more realistically a signal of the club's lack of interest on the on field results.

Are you going to share with us, or just post a cryptic statement with no details that suggest something dodgy is going on?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 06:00:59
Like everyone else I would prefer to think everything is all roses and ice creams. However, the specific details I have heard suggest I think the club is about to head down a very dark path. I caveat that I cannot verify any of these because I am far too removed from their origins, but they are so specific and keep adding up.

The problem the fanbase have, if this is correct, is it's very hard to turn on the ownership due to the cognitive dissonance of a year of believing "we've got our club back".  

However, if results go turn south then fans will turn a more critical eye to the off pitch. Power did a credible job of at least pretending he cared about results - appointing Sherwood, Brown, Flitcroft, Wellens might not all have worked out great but they all had a level of credibility. Appointing Sandro and Scott is at best extremely underwhelming, but more realistically a signal of the club's lack of interest on the on field results.

The problem is it's easy to make allegations and start rumours, twitter is an echo chamber so these rumours get spread many times and then get quoted as 'fact' when the physical evidence just isn't there.

I've no idea if there is dodgy stuff going on but we do know that the legacy issues were always going to take a few years to deal with, the legal unknowns and covenant being the most difficult of them - so they need to be given that time.

Despite also being underwhelmed by managerial set up I still find it hard to believe that Clem doesn't want to win games.  

If Clem sold today he'd break even at best, if we get into championship then he would make a few million.

In addition if we are top of league 1 or in the championship we are far more likely to sell on players to prem clubs.   There are very few, million pound plus signings from league 2.
  


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 06:37:07
so power *didn't* buy the debentures from black?

one assumes Clem taking control of the club didn't trigger then


Legally Black owns them, whether he had a gentleman's agreement with someone else who knows and impossible to find out as relies on him to tell you.   Not sure I'd want one for £2m especially if the purchaser.

Also not seen legal docs on the covenant so can't answer 2nd point.   


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 06:38:46
Or certain Pods when they do ask the questions..
The club have acknowledged the questions now so i think we will either see a statement or questions at the advisory board. I was speaking to Rich yesterday and he raised a valid point that people like us are sat in the middle of this and hear these complaints and concerns from fans but when you narrow it down it is a very small minority asking the questions  so it would be easy for the club to sweep it under the carpet. 15 or so posters on here and a 100 or so on twitter is a very small percentage of the fanbase

They are genuine concerns though and hope the club answer them soon, still feel no matter what they say here though people will not be happy.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 07:01:37
"won't be happy"

Karachi  - depends who is paying

standing  - expect them to say he's not involved

Austin - doubt they will say "yeah he is a bit dodgy", more 'his post prevented him from obtaining EFL additional to sit on the board. he's paid his dues for previous, and is trusted by clem'.
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at least the standing position and Karachi will be on record.

I think you are right, the Austin thing will rumble on but it is what it is. If he were suddenly to be come an investor or take control of a portion of the club alarm bells would ring again


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 08:14:38
The club have acknowledged the questions now so i think we will either see a statement or questions at the advisory board. I was speaking to Rich yesterday and he raised a valid point that people like us are sat in the middle of this and hear these complaints and concerns from fans but when you narrow it down it is a very small minority asking the questions  so it would be easy for the club to sweep it under the carpet. 15 or so posters on here and a 100 or so on twitter is a very small percentage of the fanbase

They are genuine concerns though and hope the club answer them soon, still feel no matter what they say here though people will not be happy.

Agreed in the main, I am not one of those asking for those answers although interested in the response, i am more interested in seeing whether the trust will be realigning their position with the answers that we get rather than the actual answers themselves.  The actions of a few representing the trust when those pertanent questions came out made me question where their allegiences lay.

The reality is we probably won't know until the ground purchase is done.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 09:54:24
Agreed in the main, I am not one of those asking for those answers although interested in the response, i am more interested in seeing whether the trust will be realigning their position with the answers that we get rather than the actual answers themselves.  The actions of a few representing the trust when those pertanent questions came out made me question where their allegiences lay.

The reality is we probably won't know until the ground purchase is done.
I know what you mean, i think one got carried away tbh that's all. In the main the trust have been great


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 10:08:12
In the main the trust have been great

They did massive amounts of work getting Clem in. And things are hugely better than when Power was here.

Even just being able to ask questions ( other than "ya know Shawwwwn").

Its easy to give the impression that isn't welcome/appreciated.





Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 11:41:37

Legally Black owns them, whether he had a gentleman's agreement with someone else who knows and impossible to find out as relies on him to tell you.   Not sure I'd want one for £2m especially if the purchaser.

Also not seen legal docs on the covenant so can't answer 2nd point.   

I thought it had been rumoured that Power had leant the club the money to pay them off, so the club would have to pay him (plus interest on the loans) rather than Black (interest free)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 11:46:12
No, I appreciate the trust big time for what they have done, but being a paying up member of the trust I would expect them to be my voice rather than tell me what the club wants me to hear.  Hopefully that will be more of their stance moving forward.

They have been too close to the club and hopefully they will adjust their stance on that.  Knowing who has been turned down for jobs at the club and posting that information on twitter proves that, if if you do delete it quickly after.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 17:42:29
I thought it had been rumoured that Power had leant the club the money to pay them off, so the club would have to pay him (plus interest on the loans) rather than Black (interest free)

It was and I've no doubt Power took a shit load out of the business, but the club haven't repaid the debentures as they are still in the accounts and they are officially held by Black.

If any transaction did happen it was by handshake and never registered.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 17:49:06
Is the catering company going?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 17:50:48
Is the catering company going?

I think so, Rob said they were bringing it in house on the OSC


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 18:50:38
the catering had finally improved as well!

not that it can't be good in house


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 21:49:08
Why do the club only seem to want to communicate through mediums run by friends of Clem and the trust?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 06:49:09
Why do the club only seem to want to communicate through mediums run by friends of Clem and the trust?
Sandro was on with the supporters club last week wasn't and so was Rob Angus this week?  In fact i think that Sandro fella has been on every platform i can think of


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 08:07:21
Has it been ten years then,  since Jed sold off the catering for ten years under the asset stripping exercise?

They lost two years there due to the pandemic, but I suppose that was the same for any business. It has improved lately so lets hope it doesn't go backwards the other way, but glad the club will be making off it again after Jed no doubt comically ran away from signing it over with two bags of money with dollar signs on.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 08:13:51
Has it been ten years then,  since Jed sold off the catering for ten years under the asset stripping exercise?

They lost two years there due to the pandemic, but I suppose that was the same for any business. It has improved lately so lets hope it doesn't go backwards the other way, but glad the club will be making off it again after Jed no doubt comically ran away from signing it over with two bags of money with dollar signs on.
I was under the impression that Jed’s catering lot had been booted due to not being able to fulfil terms of their contract during the pandemic? Could be bollocks but that’s what I was told…


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 09:13:46
I thought the club had come to an agreement with the business that runs the burger van outside of the townend, could be wrong.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 09:26:07
I was under the impression that Jed’s catering lot had been booted due to not being able to fulfil terms of their contract during the pandemic? Could be bollocks but that’s what I was told…

Ah, possibly. Unsure why they've changed it now then.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 09:58:36
At least the concerns are now being shared by other Supporters.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 10:02:40
I thought the club had come to an agreement with the business that runs the burger van outside of the townend, could be wrong.

This is what I understand to be the case.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 11:29:46
Existing caterers are still going to have van(s) outside the ground but the concourse outlets are now being ran in house, which should be interesting given the club aren’t known for their slick operations off the pitch!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 13:44:08
Existing caterers are still going to have van(s) outside the ground but the concourse outlets are now being ran in house, which should be interesting given the club aren’t known for their slick operations off the pitch!

"Hey, I wanted a jumbo hotdog and all I got was a chipolata!"

And that's just Quagmire after pissing next to Jason Euell.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 16:22:59
Existing caterers are still going to have van(s) outside the ground but the concourse outlets are now being ran in house, which should be interesting given the club aren’t known for their slick operations off the pitch!

you say that but hasnt hospitality been run in house? thats always been superb


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 29, 2022, 16:29:11
I believe it has


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Friday, July 1, 2022, 11:02:40
Bringing the catering back in house proves a source of revenue for the club rather than outsourcing it and getting very little, they have obviously allowed the previous company to continue the catering outside the stadium in their van for next season by the sounds of it, who knows maybe a reduction on price as the food at the CG was very high prices.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, July 1, 2022, 15:42:24
Bringing the catering back in house proves a source of revenue for the club rather than outsourcing it and getting very little, they have obviously allowed the previous company to continue the catering outside the stadium in their van for next season by the sounds of it, who knows maybe a reduction on price as the food at the CG was very high prices.

Wait and see what the in-house offering is first.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 07:13:10
Believe the AB was yesterday? Look forward to the minutes- hopefully thorough and transparent.

A reminder of the commitments stated each month-


My commitments to supporters and the wider community of Swindon and surrounding areas:
I will always be open and transparent on all matters in regard to STFC.
I will provide regular engagement and communication with the supporters and the wider community of Swindon and surrounding areas.
I will build a sustainable future for STFC, investing in the infrastructure of the Club with the aim to take it forwards to being a stable Championship Club.
I will build a sensible structure and present a 1, 3, 5 and 10 year plan that will aim to carry and develop STFC into the future.
Further to all of the above, I will not take a salary or any personal fee payments from the Club for the time I own a controlling interest in the club




Wonder when we can expect the 1,3, 5 & 10yr plans?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 07:22:47
What’s happened to the supporters trust by the way? Have they been muzzled? Ridiculous amounts of questions been thrown them/publicly on socials RE the regime and individuals in this regime….. all I’ve seen from them is them telling everyone how they stand with Rochdale in their ongoing battle. Or is it literally just a case of not answering to fans and just batting it all to the advisory board?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 07:30:08
Furthermore, the club should have held at least two of these fan forums. It’s in the customer charter:


“The Football league have introduced a new regulation where by clubs are committed to meeting regulation 111 Expert working group (EWG) supporter Ownership and Engagement discussion. Swindon Town will be holding a minimum of two fans forum meetings per season with details of which being published on the official website and social media channels once dates for the forums have been agreed. This will be an opportunity for fans to attend the ground and have their say on significant issues regarding the stadium. The meetings will be held by Club Directors and Senior Executives.

24.REVIEW DATE

This Charter will be reviewed on or before 01 July 2022”

An advisory board that consists of *several* (please note the term several, before the cucks claim Im calling club legend Don Rodgers a yes man) yes men/women, for me, does not satisfy what a fans forum is. The fact that none of the questions we asked to get asked at the last AB sums it all up.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 08:05:20
What’s happened to the supporters trust by the way? Have they been muzzled? Ridiculous amounts of questions been thrown them/publicly on socials RE the regime and individuals in this regime….. all I’ve seen from them is them telling everyone how they stand with Rochdale in their ongoing battle. Or is it literally just a case of not answering to fans and just batting it all to the advisory board?

I saw a post from a Trust member saying that the Trust member questions will be answered on a separate slide from main AB stuff.

So questions were asked at the AB. We'll see what was asked when the minutes are available

I think they may well have taken a step back in SM terms - there was valid criticism of "too close to club" so maybe they are trying to work out how to re-establish and present the line.  Or the guy who does SM is on holiday :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 08:23:21
I think they may well have taken a step back in SM terms - there was valid criticism of "too close to club" so maybe they are trying to work out how to re-establish and present the line.  Or the guy who does SM is on holiday :)

Or being mindful that as it stands they have entered into a JV with the club to buy the ground and it would be advisable not to fuck up that relationship until the fan base have their mitts on 50% of the ground?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 08:25:18
Or being mindful that as it stands they have entered into a JV with the club to buy the ground and it would be advisable not to fuck up that relationship until the fan base have their mitts on 50% of the ground?

True, but that works on a vice-versa basis. Its not in the interests of the club to fuck it up either. The council won't sell to just them (presumably)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 08:42:31
Furthermore, the club should have held at least two of these fan forums. It’s in the customer charter:


“The Football league have introduced a new regulation where by clubs are committed to meeting regulation 111 Expert working group (EWG) supporter Ownership and Engagement discussion. Swindon Town will be holding a minimum of two fans forum meetings per season with details of which being published on the official website and social media channels once dates for the forums have been agreed. This will be an opportunity for fans to attend the ground and have their say on significant issues regarding the stadium. The meetings will be held by Club Directors and Senior Executives.

24.REVIEW DATE

This Charter will be reviewed on or before 01 July 2022”

An advisory board that consists of *several* (please note the term several, before the cucks claim Im calling club legend Don Rodgers a yes man) yes men/women, for me, does not satisfy what a fans forum is. The fact that none of the questions we asked to get asked at the last AB sums it all up.
Are you a trust member Mango out of interest


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:00:50
True, but that works on a vice-versa basis. Its not in the interests of the club to fuck it up either. The council won't sell to just them (presumably)

Indeed, I suspect both sides are pussy footing around the other to a degree until the ground stuff is signed sealed and delivered, albeit with some of the negative stuff floating about on here and elsewhere about the Trust I do wonder whether they will be able to mobilise the fans to get the cash they need to pay their bit.


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:02:49
depends if they have a leg up from Eady money or elsewhere

it may come down to numbers of people rather than hard cash

edit: The Eady money potentially being used is discussed here:

https://truststfc.tv/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AGM-Pack.pdf


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:11:40
I saw a post from a Trust member saying that the Trust member questions will be answered on a separate slide from main AB stuff.

So questions were asked at the AB. We'll see what was asked when the minutes are available

I think they may well have taken a step back in SM terms - there was valid criticism of "too close to club" so maybe they are trying to work out how to re-establish and present the line.  Or the guy who does SM is on holiday :)

I was referring to previous AB, where all regime questions were ignored, Batch.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:13:37
Are you a trust member Mango out of interest

Yeah I am, but on verge of cancelling.

Are you a member, ShrivvyRoad?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:13:38
I was referring to previous AB, where all regime questions were ignored, Batch.

Fair, but lets give them chance to change on that and see what comes up this time.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:16:27
Yeah I am, but on verge of cancelling.

Are you a member, ShrivvyRoad?

Must admit I do feel the same. My issue is that the Trust are now to close to the club & I'm not sure our interests are looked after.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:19:20
Fair, but lets give them chance to change on that and see what comes up this time.

They've been backed into a corner to answer, fan base has done well to unite in that sense, interested to see the detail of response they provide.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:20:41
Must admit I do feel the same. My issue is that the Trust are now to close to the club & I'm not sure our interests are looked after.

Agree.

Great job in the summer to help out Clem and keep fans updated, but gone rapidly downhill since. They have clem and co's best interests at heart, and not ours, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 09:26:43
Agree.

Great job in the summer to help out Clem and keep fans updated, but gone rapidly downhill since. They have clem and co's best interests at heart, and not ours, in my opinion.

That's my concern & I'm not sure they will question the club in the manner they once did.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 10:43:25
Yeah I am, but on verge of cancelling.

Are you a member, ShrivvyRoad?
I am yes. I think we need to see what has been answered this time around. I don't buy into the whole backed into a corner thing by the fans. It's no more than 100 people asking, that's not to say the questions don't need answering i believe they do but the trust shouldn't be running to the club everytime a handful have problems or questions


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 11:48:13
They've been backed into a corner to answer, fan base has done well to unite in that sense, interested to see the detail of response they provide.

The Trust are a shambles.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 13:09:50
The Trust are a shambles.

That is a damning statement.  With what authority?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 14:57:01
Hi All, the AB only happened on Tuesday, its only Wednesday today and all is in hand on this.. The AB took place Tuesday, we presented all questions to the club and they answered all of them open and honestly. We have sent our notes to the club to check we have them 100% accurate on the clubs responses to the questions, and then they will all be released for fans and members to read. It has taken some time to answer all of these as there were a lot of them (several pages actually)  and as well as being released by us in terms of the answers the club will also include all of them in the AB minutes in the next 10 days when they are released on the club website. thanks.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 19:44:27
Thanks for the update Jan, looking forward to some clarity soon.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 12:14:34
Not sure if this goes here but I see the club have gone a head with the match day price increases. I wonder if the trust can shed the clubs thoughts on this seeing as it's on the article below. Money is tight for all which could backfire on the club. That's my opinion anyway.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/league-and-cup-tickets-on-sale


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:04:35
Aren't they slightly lower than the proposed increases? Need to check AB minutes.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:06:16
They are

Higher than 21/22
Higher than published in 22/23 season ticket literature
Not as high as prospective May/June pricing review

Making it up as they go along


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:07:39
They are

Higher than 21/22
Higher than published in 22/23 season ticket literature
Not as high as prospective May/June pricing review

Making it up as they go along
Probably thought as long as they don’t change the headline £25 figure no one would notice.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:11:08
I’m not sure it’s nefarious, I just get the sense the behind the scenes operation is a mess

Price increase in and of itself isn’t the issue (annoying, but a fact of life)

The way it’s been implemented is amateurish. Don’t publish ticket prices and then increase them again before you’ve even sold any!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:16:06
I’m not sure it’s nefarious, I just get the sense the behind the scenes operation is a mess

Never attribute to malice what could easily be incompetence is a good life rule, and one I'm sure that applies here. I doubt they even intended to sneak it out in this article, it's just the advisory board minutes that probably cover this more clearly and in more detail were meant to be published first but aren't ready...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:17:01
I’m not sure it’s nefarious, I just get the sense the behind the scenes operation is a mess

Price increase in and of itself isn’t the issue (annoying, but a fact of life)

The way it’s been implemented is amateurish. Don’t publish ticket prices and then increase them again before you’ve even sold any!
To be honest I get the same impression, it’s incompetence more than anything at the moment. The online store is a case in point, offline at the moment and seems to be offline more than online this summer, it’s not a great sign they can’t even make that work. Similar story with the digital season tickets. As I just said to Batch on Twitter, if the DRS speakers aren’t fixed I’m going to lose my shit.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:25:19
I’m not sure it’s nefarious, I just get the sense the behind the scenes operation is a mess

Exactly that.

The online club shop is down https://www.stfcdirect.com/landing.php
It seems hard work to get hold of anyone with query regarding season ticket print quality (not based on a large sample!)
Are the phones better yet? Do you get a recorded message when they aren't manned?

It could be holidays are playing a part in some of this. Got to get them in before season start for some.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:27:29
An avoidable PR disaster…sneaking details of the increase in at the bottom of that article is not ‘open and transparent’ in my view.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:30:39
It's also the wording which I don't take too - almost like the fans need to pay for everything, last time I check we're not fan owned.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:32:51
"The ticketing review suggests that the Club should look at increasing Town End tickets to £23, Over 65 to £20, Students to £20, U18 to £10 and U11 to £5"

The published prices are <price> (diff from march, diff AB proposed)

Adult 21 (-2, +1)
65/Student 18 (+2, -2)
U18 8 (+1, -2)
U11 3 (+1, -2)
U21 Scrapped


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:34:51
I’m not sure it’s nefarious, I just get the sense the behind the scenes operation is a mess

Price increase in and of itself isn’t the issue (annoying, but a fact of life)

The way it’s been implemented is amateurish. Don’t publish ticket prices and then increase them again before you’ve even sold any!

So gone up £2 roughly 8.5% so club could argue lower than inflation.

Again its the age old argument from football fans that tickets go up £2 disgusting, next breath why won't the board sanction £10's k's of new cash on players.  


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:36:28
So gone up £2 roughly 8.5% so club could argue lower than inflation.

Again its the age old argument from football fans that tickets go up £2 disgusting, next breath why won't the board sanction £10's k's of new cash on players. 

You've missed Dave's point totally.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:22:17
You've missed Dave's point totally.

No I didn't, I just quoted that post as it made sense and built upon the point being made.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:53:26
Where is the 40% increase in budget because we ain’t seen much evidence of it yet all we have signed is kids


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 15:14:04
Where is the 40% increase in budget because we ain’t seen much evidence of it yet all we have signed is kids

This one looks more pricey.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 15:49:16
Where is the 40% increase in budget because we ain’t seen much evidence of it yet all we have signed is kids
Whilst you make a valid point there's 7 weeks left


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:47:32
After a fans 'backlash' it looks like the club have made a u-turn on the decision to remove the U21 pricing option for next season. Not sure at what price mind but that's positive that they have listened to feedback from fans.

Edit - £14 side stands, £12 Town End.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:52:34
After a fans 'backlash' it looks like the club have made a u-turn on the decision to remove the U21 pricing option for next season. Not sure at what price mind but that's positive that they have listened to feedback from fans.

Edit - £14 side stands, £12 Town End.
Fans on Twitter doing what the Trust now seems incapable of. Good stuff and sensible decisions by the Club.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:56:28
Fans on Twitter doing what the Trust now seems incapable of. Good stuff and sensible decisions by the Club.

To be fair the club have taken a bit of a kicking recently, some of it warranted, some possibly not. I think now with what looks on paper some good squad building as well as taking fans criticisms on board and making the relevant changes I hope it gets a bit more credit going forward. The last couple of weeks have been pretty toxic at times and last season's goodwill was in danger of going down Thomas Crapper Avenue.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:10:16
It wouldn’t surprise me if they just forgot about that banding


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:11:57
It wouldn’t surprise me if they just forgot about that banding
Me either but let Theakston believe his 100 messages on every socoial platform is what done it  :D :D :D


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:17:43
glad u21 are back

they quoted my slow hand clap gif moan. So you can thank me, not the Trust or Theakston


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:22:10
Me either but let Theakston believe his 100 messages on every socoial platform is what done it  :D :D :D
😂 if they forgot about it I think I’d be more concerned to be honest… one way or another it was a complete cock up though.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 08:23:21
Whilst you make a valid point there's 7 weeks left

And we don’t know how much players are being paid. How much we have to fork out for agents if any. Wether this 40% budget increase was playing budget or the overall club budget. And of course who we have and how many to sign.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 08:50:28
I'm feeling a lot better now we've made a flurry of better looking signing....but I still think its pretty clear the 40% is overall club budget. Even with a few more good looking signings, I don't see it being 40% higher. Slightly higher wage budget? Sure, but nothing like 40%.

On the positive side, I think its obvious now the reported slashing of the budget isn't true either though. At worst its competitive with last seasons even with no more signings.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 08:55:53
I'm feeling a lot better now we've made a flurry of better looking signing....but I still think its pretty clear the 40% is overall club budget. Even with a few more good looking signings, I don't see it being 40% higher. Slightly higher wage budget? Sure, but nothing like 40%.

On the positive side, I think its obvious now the reported slashing of the budget isn't true either though. At worst its competitive with last seasons even with no more signings.

Not sure exactly how it works but if Khan joins then that is 3 players we'll have paid cash money for. Are those figures included in budget numbers, or is it purely wages? Obviously we paid 0 fees last season due to the umbungo.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 09:07:51
Not sure exactly how it works but if Khan joins then that is 3 players we'll have paid cash money for. Are those figures included in budget numbers, or is it purely wages? Obviously we paid 0 fees last season due to the umbungo.

Yeah that is true. Although I can't imagine the up front fees for players amount to more than multiple tens of thousands, its still something.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 09:09:12
Yeah that is true. Although I can't imagine the up front fees for players amount to more than multiple tens of thousands, its still something.

Agreed, I'd imagine the 3 players we have bought are all nominal amounts up front and bonus laden based on performance etc.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 11:45:32
Here are the answers given to questions raised

• Clarity on growth of membership to AB; Why rotating sponsors? How to join? Are all fans represented?
○ CM: Important to rotate because we want different views, wide spectrum - as many opinions as possible
○ RA: Becomes a limit on number of attendees for making the meeting viable and relevant
○ ST: Sponsors want success for the club,and want to ensure we have a voice for improvements. Wide range of thoughts, feedback, views, and benefits from an input perspective
• Are the club’s legacy issues with the turnstiles now resolved?
○ RA: Predominantly, season tickets have now been sorted with correct barcodes on the new cards
• Has work been completed on the PA system?
○ RA: Still a small amount of additional work to do, but this is planned in - its not a new PA system, but a fixed PA system.
• Did any potential head coaches reject the chance to take up the STFC role?
○ RA: We did an extensive search - chose the best person for the job
○ CM: Met a lot of managers who didn’t fit the bill - really pleased Scott didn’t leave the club, and we could offer him the role
• Does the club have a (or any plans for) a mental wellbeing ambassador? Are there plans to offer mental health training to staff and stewards?
○ RA: We use a very good 3rd party for stewarding, but will speak with Platinum to pass on feedback. Supervisors have training. No current plan for specific ambassador.
• Great news on external debt being reduced, is there any “internal” debt to action?
○ RA: Internal debt references debentures from 2012, and CM is in discussions with relevant parties around those
• How much has Clem invested into STFC since taking full control of the club? And is this repayable via loans?
○ CM: £1.4m since I’ve taken over, and previously another £1.8m. Some of this is shares (c£1.1m) the balance are loans, and Ill probably need to invest more to deal with the
debenture situation. All loans are interest free
• Request for ZA to discuss Karachi project directly to fans: cost & funding, Club involvement, timelines, what does success look like?
○ RA: No cost to the club, other than sending Alex Pike (Academy Coach) for which we had to cover flight cost
○ CM: Zav is trying to drive interest in the club longer term, he is very passionate about the Club being successful and moving us forwards, it doesn’t cost us anything, I’m happy
with it. Zav doesn’t get paid anything from the club, he covers his own costs of travel, hotels, and matchday tickets. • What is the status of ZA on the club’s board? Did ZA pass the EFL’s fit & proper persons test?
○ CM: Zav is the club’s vice-chair. EFL approval is ongoing. Please remember that ZA played a crucial role in saving the Club and was the first to identify the damage made by the previous owner and enabled the change of ownership to CM.
• What is Adam Hart’s role at the club?
○ CM: AH runs the S&C perspective. Adam’s team helped reduce costs of department, improve fitness, decrease injury time etc.
• Who are the HerGameToo reps for STFC? Club posted in March 2022 for applications, but applicants have had no feedback ○ RA: I’ll chase up with HerGameToo, subsequently confirmed a HGT rep has been confirmed.
• When will the newly reviewed and confirmed ticket prices be announced?
○ RA: Being published over the next week or two (w/c: 11/7/2022) ahead of the new season, now that supporter groups have feedback on the proposals
• Is Michael Standing involved in the club?
○ CM: No. I’m the 100% shareholder & owner, he has no involvement. He has an outstanding court case with the previous owner, which is absolutely nothing to do with me.
• What are the overall strategy and aims for the 22/23 season? What does success on pitch look like?
○ CM: Always striving for promotion, and we are this season - but will never guarantee that, as this is football. We strive to do better than the season before, and always building
the longer term foundations.
○ RA: Budget is very competitive in this league, but not something we can publicly announce as it gives an advantage to our competitors.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 11:56:33
Well, those are clear answers with very little remaining ambiguity. As long as they're all true, then great.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 12:08:28
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/stfc-advisory-board-july-minutes-now-available/

Full minutes of the Advisory Board for July. 4800 season tickets sold feels good.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 12:09:25
4800 season tickets sold feels good.
Brilliant effort again by Town fans.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 12:25:59
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AR provided the OSC feedback and noted the validity of some of the names on the Season Ticket thank you plaque with RA confirming that Lee Power and Winston Churchill are fans of the Club
and RA will check others and confirm. AR also raised the idea of a memorial wall which is something that CM and RA will consider as part of the stadium development.

Made me smile more than it should have.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 12:30:19
q&a look good

Shame about the debenture seems to be giving unwanted grief.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 12:31:10
"RA confirm(ed) that Lee Power and Winston Churchill are fans of the Club"  :D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 12:44:14
Well, those are clear answers with very little remaining ambiguity. As long as they're all true, then great.

 I am not sure the answer on Karachi is much kop to be honest.  The hope is it is indeed an at arms length thing that is not, in any way, sanctioned by the club as part of his duties.  It basically states Zav is doing his own thing and using his connection to Swindon - the stated aim, in public, is to get talent from Pakistan, so how Swindon can be fully at arms length still confuses me.  You are never going to get a sufficient answer in that type of forum though, especially if it is being used for personal reasons (not saying it is, just has the look of it).  Also a worry that Zav is still not approved by the EFL - especially as we have an FA charge hanging over us.

I have far less concern on the Adam Hart situation - no doubt all sorts of red alarms would be sounding off if he were on the Board or something, but he is employed via a vendor contract and at least seems to be delivering results in his now chosen field.  That is far easier to walk away from and distance the club if there ever were any issues.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 13:09:10
Found this interesting:

New agreement extending STFC presence at Beversbrook as well as investing in facilities at Beversbrook


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 13:12:53
New agreement extending STFC presence at Beversbrook as well as investing in facilities at Beversbrook

Got to train somewhere I suppose.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 13:22:41
I am not sure the answer on Karachi is much kop to be honest.

I'd agree it's the weakest answer there. But honestly, if Zav wants to play statesman in Karachi, it doesn't really bother me as long as there's nothing shady going on.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 14:26:11
I'd agree it's the weakest answer there. But honestly, if Zav wants to play statesman in Karachi, it doesn't really bother me as long as there's nothing shady going on.

+ indeed its not costing the club money too (coach travel/costs aside)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 14:37:42
I'm not worried about costs, well, not those being incurred to support this venture.  I'm worried about the sort of costs that could be incurred if anything untoward was ever discovered by authorities years down the line and Swindon were directly involved (Zav doing his own thing is one thing, having STFC on paperwork related to Visa's at some point makes it much more of an exposure).


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 14:53:42
Those are pretty much the expected answers I think, no massive surprises.  I did like the answer to the manager question, proper politicians answer right there :D Gave an answer without actually answering the question that was asked.

I think at some point the fanbase just need to move on and start to trust that this owner isn't the type of ownership that we have had in the past.  It's never going to be perfect, but as long as the Trust do their job right, it shouldn't be a concern in the short term and the Trust along with the joint ground ownership should mean that we have some sort of security blanket if it should start going down a path that we are not happy with.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 15:16:41
  I'm worried about the sort of costs that could be incurred if anything untoward was ever discovered by authorities years down the line and Swindon were directly involved (Zav doing his own thing is one thing, having STFC on paperwork related to Visa's at some point makes it much more of an exposure).

That's fine, obviously massive destruction potential with this one . But they were never going to say "yeah fair cop, it's a bit dodgy". Still find it very odd. You have to play that one by ear.

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I'm not worried about costs, well, not those being incurred to support this venture.

Had it actually "cost the club a lot of money" I'd be pretty pissed off myself. Every penny is being accounted for (and wrung out of supporters at times). You can't do that then fund a vanity project/massive expensive punt.

At the end of the day the answers have been asked and given. Believe, disbelieve, bit of both. You pays your money and takes your choice.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 15:25:54
It’s good that all the questions have been addressed, everything around Austin still seems very suspect though. 10 months to go through the fit and proper persons test really? The whole sentence around him being important to the club and effectively saving us feels like they are warming us up for him never being approved to me but time will tell.

With Adam Hart it would have been nice for his previous business relationship with Austin to have been explained but I’m less worried about him now.

Time will tell on Standing….

But anyway I’m looking forward to the working PA system in the DRS and not sounding like there are swarm of angry bees in the speakers during the game.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 15:57:50
Of all those questions and answers the one that stands out for me is no Michael Standing involvement. This is contrary what I have previously been told more than once, different football sources which remain in confidence.

I will gladly rest this case and am more than happy to believe this statement.
Let the Power v Standing case get exposed for what is is and we can all move on. After all sick to death with ownership issues at Swindon and just want to support the football.

I hope Clem makes a success out of this project.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 17:41:00
Karrachi/Zav thing still seems suspect to me, but I guess that was the answer I was expecting.

The politicians answer on any manager turning us down made me laugh.

The Standing answer was unequivocal, lets hope its true.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: ReadingRed on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 17:48:00
It’s good that all the questions have been addressed,

Npt sure about that. My question re disabled parking wasn't addressed, for one. We really need a decision on car parking season tickets soon.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 20:12:28
Quote from: ReadingRed
Npt sure about that. My question re disabled parking wasn't addressed, for one. We really need a decision on car parking season tickets soon.

oh, that's not so good. Have the supporters club been any help? Thought this would be their thing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 13:45:00
Question for next advisory board:
Could the club please open the club shop on match days after the match? Even if just for an hour or so. They are missing a lot of footfall and potential business. I have wanted to visit the shop and had friends with me who wanted to spend money and would have done so if the shop was open but alas no opportunity.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 15:02:23
Question for next advisory board:
Could the club please open the club shop on match days after the match? Even if just for an hour or so. They are missing a lot of footfall and potential business. I have wanted to visit the shop and had friends with me who wanted to spend money and would have done so if the shop was open but alas no opportunity.

Ditto, get a few more programs printed too. I cannot get to the Saturday games as early as I did last season but I still like to get one and surprise, surprise they’d sold out.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 15:06:00
Can the club explain why they haven’t fixed the DRS PA system over the closed season as we were promised? Surely it can’t be that hard to find a competent contractor to either fix the existing system or run new cables and speakers. As a safety critical system it’s mind boggling that it has been allowed to be indecipherable for so long.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: kaufman on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 19:22:43
I’d like to add to that. On Saturday, on one particular song, the volume intermittently shot up every 20 seconds or so that it could damage peoples ear drums. The change in volume made me jump and I’m going to have to bring ear plugs next time. I sound like an old man but like all of us we only have one set of ears. As a “musician” I need to look after them more so. It’s dangerous.
God I sound like an adver letter reply.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 19:25:51
Can the club explain why they haven’t fixed the DRS PA system over the closed season as we were promised? Surely it can’t be that hard to find a competent contractor to either fix the existing system or run new cables and speakers. As a safety critical system it’s mind boggling that it has been allowed to be indecipherable for so long.

Safety announcements run through a separate system don't they?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, August 15, 2022, 16:45:50
Question for next advisory board:
Could the club please open the club shop on match days after the match? Even if just for an hour or so. They are missing a lot of footfall and potential business. I have wanted to visit the shop and had friends with me who wanted to spend money and would have done so if the shop was open but alas no opportunity.

Lo and behold, the club has listened.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 19, 2022, 14:35:37
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/august/august-stfc-advisory-board-minutes-now-available/

August minutes up. Will go through and pull out anything interesting...

Not much really - 5,150 STs sold, new catering arrangements making 5x more a game than the old ones the main stand outs. HMRC fully paid off, other debts remain.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, August 19, 2022, 14:53:27
5,150 is an incredible number for League Two dross at the prices charged. Phenomenal backing from the fans.

Good news on catering even if it is a bit shite according to some. Hopefully they can improve it. Clearly never going back if it pays 5x as much.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 19, 2022, 14:54:59
On the catering, what on earth are they selling if it's "no burgers, hot dogs, pies etc"?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, August 19, 2022, 14:55:51
Excluding the Premiership season is that the most season tickets ever sold🤔


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Friday, August 19, 2022, 15:00:00
On the catering, what on earth are they selling if it's "no burgers, hot dogs, pies etc"?

Pasties and sausage rolls I believe
Sure I read that somewhere


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, August 19, 2022, 15:00:49
On the catering, what on earth are they selling if it's "no burgers, hot dogs, pies etc"?

they have branded it like a pasty shop. I had a brief walk past and saw sausage rolls, pasties and chips.

probably the type of food which is easier to prepare and in large volume. might help with queue times in that sense. I have no issues with anything they sell, I go to watch the football. if I'm in a rush and need food there is always something available that I would want.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 19, 2022, 15:02:58
I'd have thought pies would fit well into that model, essentially STFC Greggs.  Fair enough, had visions of crisps and chocolate bars and wondered how on earth they had made x5 more on that!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Friday, August 19, 2022, 15:10:23
Excluding the Premiership season is that the most season tickets ever sold🤔
Surely not


Title: Re: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Benzel on Friday, August 19, 2022, 15:33:30
On the catering, what on earth are they selling if it's "no burgers, hot dogs, pies etc"?
There are burgers in the vans outside still I think. The pasties did smell damn good on Tuesday night tbf. I'll have to sample a couple next time I can go.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: blinkpip on Friday, August 19, 2022, 16:55:45
The Burger van outside is different from last seasons and isn't that good. Small burger £5.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Friday, August 19, 2022, 21:07:40
Well Danny Lee has left. Any staff at the club now?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 19, 2022, 21:10:24
Well Danny Lee has left. Any staff at the club now?

Presume on to bigger things.  I saw what looked like a version of his role had started to be advertised.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 19, 2022, 21:25:50
Quote from: tans
Well Danny Lee has left. Any staff at the club now?

wtf!

I thought he was decent whenever I've had contact with him


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, August 19, 2022, 22:44:27
The exodus of staff across all areas of the club is becoming a bit alarming.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Friday, August 19, 2022, 23:28:10
Well Danny Lee has left. Any staff at the club now?
Who is Danny Lee (and what are his expected goals)?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 04:53:32
The exodus of staff across all areas of the club is becoming a bit alarming.

Exodus? How many have left the club to this an exodus? Who is Danny Lee? What was his role?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 06:35:05
Some member of the ground staff (i think) having a right rant about Marcus Cassidy on twitter


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: jimbob on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:18:33
Some member of the ground staff (i think) having a right rant about Marcus Cassidy on twitter

Link?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:25:03
Some member of the ground staff (i think) having a right rant about Marcus Cassidy on twitter

I think the fella you refer to is the assistant groundsman who resigned recently. He's not very positive about MC is he?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:28:27
Well Danny Lee has left. Any staff at the club now?

The first team data analysts left, if that’s new news to anyone…

Gone to Villa is be a young talent scout or something


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:29:25
Link?

I imagine he's referring to this:
https://twitter.com/AlexVeitch23/status/1560821039055224833


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:34:05
I imagine he's referring to this:
https://twitter.com/AlexVeitch23/status/1560821039055224833

Oh the irony in calling out an alcoholic in a pissed up tweet at 3:30am…


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:42:23
You can see why ITK posts never get posted on social media sites.
Best to share with just a few trusted sources as what happens on here. Honestly some people are unhinged.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:45:22
Tweet now deleted


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 10:37:24
Exodus? How many have left the club to this an exodus? Who is Danny Lee? What was his role?
Quite a few, even the club secretary has gone. You can apply for that job on LinkedIn.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 11:41:54
Having the continuity of Rob Angus there is very reassuring - but is there a higher than usual level of staff turnover?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 13:30:28
Who is Danny Lee (and what are his expected goals)?

He was a sort of Head of Operations - in charge of Commercial, ticketing etc.  Responsible for the matchday hospitality being a big success in the last couple of seasons.  I would imagine he has been headhunted or seen an opportunity higher up the food chain.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 13:58:06
King of prawn sandwiches, undoubtedly there are plenty of opportunities for someone like that that pay better. Let's not forget there's massive churn all over the shop with the job market as it is, so perhaps not a surprise we've lost a few backroom staff.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, August 25, 2022, 17:27:40
Reading the minutes, I'm confused why the lad that does the flags who seems to have got involved with the broadbent podcast suddenly turn up on the advisory board (wasn't it him that kept bragging he was in contact with clem before the takeover), then I read they have got to decide who to send if they rotate it with fans going along, surely this cheapens the point of the AB, I thought it was corporate club sponsors being invited and rotating it looks like the same corporate sponsor has been invited more than once now.

Why are people from fan podcasts being invited now, surely fan representation is what the trust and SC are there for ?!

Did the club put names in a pot and pick them out to pad out the numbers ?

I'm all for engagement but with the right people.

I also notice the debts on the FL loans are now not going down last couple of months.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 16, 2022, 09:57:36
Assuming these are still being collected by the Trust:

Chris Kiely has appeared in the programme as a Director of STFC. Can you tell us about:

- His background, and how and when he became involved in the club?
- Is he an investor, or shareholder, or just someone brought in to provide expertise?
- If he's providing expertise, in what areas?
- How does this affect or change the existing management structure of the club including Clem, Zav, Rob, Sandro and Scott?

And more generally:

- Can the club commit to introducing new directors in a clearer, more managed way in the future? A line appearing in the programme and nothing else can lead to unhelpful inferences and rumours spreading online


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 16, 2022, 10:21:59
It is suggested he is something to do with Sandro and the data analysis system we use


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 16, 2022, 10:25:27
It is suggested he is something to do with Sandro and the data analysis system we use

That would be a perfectly legitimate answer, but it would be good for the club to answer it, and be in the habit of explaining appointments. Sandro himself is not a director of the club, so Kiely is "senior" to him in that respect.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 16, 2022, 12:34:44
That would be a perfectly legitimate answer, but it would be good for the club to answer it, and be in the habit of explaining appointments. Sandro himself is not a director of the club, so Kiely is "senior" to him in that respect.

Agree, I would have expected it to have been something the club issued a press release about, advising fans who he is and why he is a director of the club and any shareholding he has


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Friday, September 16, 2022, 18:45:52
all of this might look a bit smelly to some and i assume that more info will be given


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 12:28:30
September minutes out:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/september-advisory-board-minutes-now-available/?fbclid=IwAR3TY1KcjYxY-FwrLiTrGpSQq0I-F3eWJ39FSydX8ezvu4q_0guykw_6cm8

- Centerplate have taken on the winding up petition, which should be heard today (!)
- Club looking to reclaim legal costs from Able (good luck with that)
- Various other debt disputes ongoing, but overall debt down to about £1.1m (down from £4.5m 12 months ago)
- Exchange of contracts on CG set for end of Jan 23, with deposit due then
- Tickets for the fans forum are nearly sold out, STBL are going to live stream it

No mention of the new director.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 12:37:14
I must have missed it, what is the debt with Mercedes, is it Jeds motors?

I know I am a grumpy sod but in the big scheme of things, what is this obsession about building a statue?



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 12:45:51
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/22563291.swindon-town-fc-back-court-winding-up-petition/

We are indeed in court today with Centerplate (the catering supplier)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 12:53:26
September minutes out:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/september-advisory-board-minutes-now-available/?fbclid=IwAR3TY1KcjYxY-FwrLiTrGpSQq0I-F3eWJ39FSydX8ezvu4q_0guykw_6cm8

- Centerplate have taken on the winding up petition, which should be heard today (!)
- Club looking to reclaim legal costs from Able (good luck with that)
- Various other debt disputes ongoing, but overall debt down to about £1.1m (down from £4.5m 12 months ago)
- Exchange of contracts on CG set for end of Jan 23, with deposit due then
- Tickets for the fans forum are nearly sold out, STBL are going to live stream it

No mention of the new director.

A point of clarity may be needed, especially when they start producing their own accounts.  Overall debt is not down to 1.1m - the ring fenced external debt they picked up when they took over is down to that level, but there was other debt and no doubt new debt since.  Of course, who that is owed to and the terms are all important to.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 12:55:20
oh joyous day, chicken balti pies are back


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 12:56:33
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/22563291.swindon-town-fc-back-court-winding-up-petition/

We are indeed in court today with Centerplate (the catering supplier)

2:16pm
Case adjourned

A short hearing, much shorter than expected, and the case has been adjourned off.

But a big update from today's hearing, and that is that Centreplate UK has been substituted into the winding-up petition in place of Able.

A new hearing will take place in the coming months to decide on whether the company that runs Town should be wound-up.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 12:59:38
so the judge allowed substitution and away we go again


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 13:00:18
How does page 14 work with regards to the RAG ratings etc? There are 7 fan queries that have no comments/actions next to them with a RAG of Green even though it looks like there is no clarification or details on next steps to close out the fan queries?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 13:00:53
so the judge allowed substitution and away we go again

We're allowed 5 this season so this bloody court case could drag!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 13:05:08
so the judge allowed substitution and away we go again

Few other snippets;

2:18pm
But one thing to note from the hearing: Simon Hunter, who represents Centreplate, mentioned that his clients had not had enough time to respond to Swindon Town's letter disputing the debt.

When Judge Baister adjourned the case, Mr Hunter said: "If it should be the case that my clients don't want to go any further, they can pull it without any bother."

Able 'probably out of time' on appeal

Another interesting line from the short hearing was that the lawyer for Able acknowledge he was "probably out of time" to appeal a judge's decision to dismiss his winding-up petition.

Last month, Swindon Town had successfully argued that a winding-up petition was not suitable for this dispute, which related to a £100,000 'loan'.

Adam Deacock, representing Able, had requested permission to appeal Deputy Insolvency Judge Stephen Baister's decision, which was granted.

"You gave me permission to appeal," he acknowledge in today's hearing.

"And I haven't so far but we are probably out of time for doing so."


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 13:13:18
is that code for he opened the door for appeal as matter of course but the client, who is in no way linked to power in any way, has been unresponsive so he's giving up.

way to go not power/curran


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 13:19:57
• Sometimes in the past there has been certain items discussed in the AB that it wasn’t clear were sensitive or confidential that have been released by fans groups into the
public domain which the club were unhappy about. Its key that it is clear what is confidential and what can be released into the public domain post AB meetings.

Be interesting to know examples of this. Not unreasonable for sensitive matters to be kept private, but would be good to understand what kind of areas count as ‘sensitive’


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 17:00:05
I must have missed it, what is the debt with Mercedes, is it Jeds motors?

I know I am a grumpy sod but in the big scheme of things, what is this obsession about building a statue?


Mercedes debt is from power ownership era not jeds
The statue is a wonderful thing that celebrates the outstanding players like Don R and John T. I get not everyone will want it/apreciate but in a poll of trust members it was overwhelmingly approved and celebrated aa a positive step 😀


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 17:10:22
• Sometimes in the past there has been certain items discussed in the AB that it wasn’t clear were sensitive or confidential that have been released by fans groups into the
public domain which the club were unhappy about. Its key that it is clear what is confidential and what can be released into the public domain post AB meetings.

Be interesting to know examples of this. Not unreasonable for sensitive matters to be kept private, but would be good to understand what kind of areas count as ‘sensitive’
Certain promotional marketing campaigns for new shirts being launched on certain days which were designed to be a surprise which were discussed outside AB withiut knowing the club were keen to make this a surprise was primary example.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 23, 2022, 07:55:33
Mercedes debt is from power ownership era not jeds
The statue is a wonderful thing that celebrates the outstanding players like Don R and John T. I get not everyone will want it/apreciate but in a poll of trust members it was overwhelmingly approved and celebrated aa a positive step 😀

Out of interest, how much does a statue cost Jan?

I completely understand the need to celebrate our past and the previous great players we have had, but wonder if the money spent on statues could have been used to properly fix the PA system in the DRS, or the toilet facilities around the ground which are on the 'to do' list.

Fuck me this negative stuff is contagious!  :no:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 23, 2022, 08:09:49
Out of interest, how much does a statue cost Jan?

I completely understand the need to celebrate our past and the previous great players we have had, but wonder if the money spent on statues could have been used to properly fix the PA system in the DRS, or the toilet facilities around the ground which are on the 'to do' list.

Fuck me this negative stuff is contagious!  :no:

I don't think its negative, just seems to be a rather strange thing to be so high up the to do list, especially considering I suspect there is every possibility the thing would have to be shifted once ground redevelopment starts anyway.

• Sometimes in the past there has been certain items discussed in the AB that it wasn’t clear were sensitive or confidential that have been released by fans groups into the
public domain which the club were unhappy about. Its key that it is clear what is confidential and what can be released into the public domain post AB meetings.

Be interesting to know examples of this. Not unreasonable for sensitive matters to be kept private, but would be good to understand what kind of areas count as ‘sensitive’

TBH if said leakers are so desperate to be ITK to people and cannot identify what is likley to be commercially sensitive information for themselves they are probably not best qualified to be attending these meetings anyway.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 23, 2022, 08:11:03
Can we have a statue like the Ronaldo one?  :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, September 23, 2022, 09:04:09
Out of interest, how much does a statue cost Jan?

I completely understand the need to celebrate our past and the previous great players we have had, but wonder if the money spent on statues could have been used to properly fix the PA system in the DRS, or the toilet facilities around the ground which are on the 'to do' list.

Fuck me this negative stuff is contagious!  :no:
The club is not spending anything on the statues and it is a different pot of money to the repairs.    The club have said many times that they won't spend much money on such things until the ground ownership is resolved.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, September 23, 2022, 09:20:00
The club is not spending anything on the statues and it is a different pot of money to the repairs.    The club have said many times that they won't spend much money on such things until the ground ownership is resolved.

100% correct this is outside money not from the club
statues cost anything from 30-100k depending on size, quality etc etc
Also the statues will be placed in areas where ground development wont impact them, so they wont need to be moved etc so they are a perm fixture


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 23, 2022, 09:20:44
Mercedes debt is from power ownership era not jeds
The statue is a wonderful thing that celebrates the outstanding players like Don R and John T. I get not everyone will want it/apreciate but in a poll of trust members it was overwhelmingly approved and celebrated aa a positive step 😀

Out of interest, what was the wording of the question?? Was statues chosen from a list of options, or was it ‘we want to build a statue do you think it’s a good idea??’

Fairly ambivalent to them myself - not going to get up in arms about it and appreciate many will like it, but at the same time can’t shake the feeling the money could be better spent elsewhere


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, September 23, 2022, 09:27:52
I don't think its negative, just seems to be a rather strange thing to be so high up the to do list, especially considering I suspect there is every possibility the thing would have to be shifted once ground redevelopment starts anyway.

TBH if said leakers are so desperate to be ITK to people and cannot identify what is likley to be commercially sensitive information for themselves they are probably not best qualified to be attending these meetings anyway.

Its not about desperation to provide this information at all. There are some things that the club haven't communicated or may have been lost in comms that fans aren't aware about so the fans groups are encouraged to make sure this information is openly communicated or reaffirmed with fans, its all about fan engagement and transparency for fans. A lot of fans don't read minutes of AB or miss facts so if the fans groups can reinforce those communications then it makes fans more aware and informed. Its all about effective fan engagement and openness which is important. Its certainly not about who can leak juicy facts the quickest as thats not what the AB is about. There is huge amount of work that goes into the work for the AB from the fans groups that fans done always see and we have to remember that fans groups members have full time jobs and they do this for the love of the club and to make things better for fans on and off the pitch, including being open and ensuring fans are well informed.

People attend the AB to to ensure fans are in the know on facts and things going on in the club and its not seen as a mass scramble to be the first to get this sensitive important out to the fans, its trying to he informative to fans so they feel they are more part of the club and informed compared to the radio silence from past ownerships of the club. But as I said sometimes its not obviously that maybe the club were wanting to keep something private so as no to ruin the impact or surprise of say marketing initiatives for shirts etc. Its all a learning experience.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, September 23, 2022, 09:32:52
Out of interest, what was the wording of the question?? Was statues chosen from a list of options, or was it ‘we want to build a statue do you think it’s a good idea??’

Fairly ambivalent to them myself - not going to get up in arms about it and appreciate many will like it, but at the same time can’t shake the feeling the money could be better spent elsewhere

From memory it was more certain than that, do you want to allocate funds and proceed type question, but can't be arsed to look it up.    Did you take the opportunity to vote on it when the trust asked the question to its members?  


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, September 23, 2022, 09:35:46
Out of interest, what was the wording of the question?? Was statues chosen from a list of options, or was it ‘we want to build a statue do you think it’s a good idea??’

Fairly ambivalent to them myself - not going to get up in arms about it and appreciate many will like it, but at the same time can’t shake the feeling the money could be better spent elsewhere

The wording was essentially on the surveys : would fans welcome the creation of statue(s) to celebrate past players such as Don and John

The questions (and there were multiple questions) were resounding Yes fans would welcome this

Then we looked at other football clubs who have done this, Manu U, Liverpool, Newcastle etc, got recommendations from other clubs and then asked statue makers to provide quotes based on requirements and other statues we liked. We also consulted with the club on this as to location of them and also the players themselves. Then we looked for an image from the archives for the statue in terms of the pose etc and provided that to the statue makers and got them to come up with a mock up, we then narrowed that down to a single statue maker and we now have an actual small model of the statue made up and we are working with the statue maker now on a few tweaks until we get it right. We will then go back to the fans for feedback on the statue design and get their thoughts before hopefully going ahead.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 23, 2022, 09:43:18
Do you know of any plan to introduce Chris Kiely JAM? I'm not for one second suggesting he's any sort of malign influence or peddling conspiracies, but it seems against the general open approach of the current owners to not introduce a new director?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 23, 2022, 10:14:48
From memory it was more certain than that, do you want to allocate funds and proceed type question, but can't be arsed to look it up.    Did you take the opportunity to vote on it when the trust asked the question to its members? 

Mate I can’t remember what I had for breakfast yesterday let alone if/when I filled out a survey months ago


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, September 23, 2022, 10:21:37
Do you know of any plan to introduce Chris Kiely JAM? I'm not for one second suggesting he's any sort of malign influence or peddling conspiracies, but it seems against the general open approach of the current owners to not introduce a new director?
Nothing to worry about , it was incorrectly suggested in the year book he was a director of the club, don't believe he is. Ex footballer who as i understand it he will be working with the academy (Academy Director). Believe Clem/Rob will address at fans forum next week.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, September 23, 2022, 10:56:03
The wording was essentially on the surveys : would fans welcome the creation of statue(s) to celebrate past players such as Don and John

The questions (and there were multiple questions) were resounding Yes fans would welcome this

Then we looked at other football clubs who have done this, Manu U, Liverpool, Newcastle etc, got recommendations from other clubs and then asked statue makers to provide quotes based on requirements and other statues we liked. We also consulted with the club on this as to location of them and also the players themselves. Then we looked for an image from the archives for the statue in terms of the pose etc and provided that to the statue makers and got them to come up with a mock up, we then narrowed that down to a single statue maker and we now have an actual small model of the statue made up and we are working with the statue maker now on a few tweaks until we get it right. We will then go back to the fans for feedback on the statue design and get their thoughts before hopefully going ahead.

Hi James - Where would the statue be located? I don't have an issue with a statue per se but it could be quite inconrous having a high quuality statue in the car park behind the town end (for example). Suggest the best place would be to set it within the grassy area between the Don Rogers Stand and Shrivenham Road - maybe with some general upgrades to this area such as footpaths, benches too? I think the setting is as important as the statue itself - any thought?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 23, 2022, 10:58:47
Hi James - Where would the statue be located? I don't have an issue with a statue per se but it could be quite inconrous having a high quuality statue in the car park behind the town end (for example). Suggest the best place would be to set it within the grassy area between the Don Rogers Stand and Shrivenham Road - maybe with some general upgrades to this area such as footpaths, benches too? I think the setting is as important as the statue itself - any thought?
I think i did see on the plans for redevelopment where they would be. I will have a search for you Bob


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 23, 2022, 11:40:41
100% correct this is outside money not from the club
statues cost anything from 30-100k depending on size, quality etc etc
Also the statues will be placed in areas where ground development wont impact them, so they wont need to be moved etc so they are a perm fixture

Great stuff - thanks for clarifying Pookemon and Jan.  :clap:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, September 23, 2022, 12:10:47
Hi James - Where would the statue be located? I don't have an issue with a statue per se but it could be quite inconrous having a high quuality statue in the car park behind the town end (for example). Suggest the best place would be to set it within the grassy area between the Don Rogers Stand and Shrivenham Road - maybe with some general upgrades to this area such as footpaths, benches too? I think the setting is as important as the statue itself - any thought?
Hi Bob, the location you mention is the preferred option yes on the grassy part so as well as when walking to the CG you walk past, get to see it people also driving past on the magic roundabout can also see it etc.. And yes i think what goes around it is as important as the statue so that will be looked at too.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Friday, September 23, 2022, 12:12:36
I’d stick the Don’s statue at left wing. Still do a job, I reckon.

Best player I’ve seen in a Swindon shirt - bar none.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 23, 2022, 12:32:28
A life-size diorama of the rounding of Bob Wilson sprawled in the Wembley mud would be good.
Not sure permission would be forthcoming for that from young Bob though.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Friday, September 23, 2022, 12:50:22
Hi Bob, the location you mention is the preferred option yes on the grassy part so as well as when walking to the CG you walk past, get to see it people also driving past on the magic roundabout can also see it etc.. And yes i think what goes around it is as important as the statue so that will be looked at too.

Taking into account vandalism/graffiti...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, September 23, 2022, 15:29:07
Taking into account vandalism/graffiti...
Yes we have some plans around that to try and minimize/stop that occurring..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 23, 2022, 15:44:34
Hi Bob, the location you mention is the preferred option yes on the grassy part so as well as when walking to the CG you walk past, get to see it people also driving past on the magic roundabout can also see it etc..

Bit of friendly and free professional advice, I would speak to the Council early doors re siting as from personal  experience Highways are not big fans on interesting things being sited where they can distract drivers.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, September 23, 2022, 16:07:44
Bit of friendly and free professional advice, I would speak to the Council early doors re siting as from personal  experience Highways are not big fans on interesting things being sited where they can distract drivers.
Thanks Horlock appreciate that, we certainly will :-)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 23, 2022, 16:14:32
Bit of friendly and free professional advice, I would speak to the Council early doors re siting as from personal  experience Highways are not big fans on interesting things being sited where they can distract drivers.
They,ve had a big flashing tree and now a huge advertising board flashing. If a statue tips them over the edge i will be shocked :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 04:46:41
Personally I am not a big fan of statues. They often look a bit crap.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 13:30:35
Just don't commission the guy who did the Ronaldo one that looked more like Raul Moat for a start


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 13:57:18
Just don't commission the guy who did the Ronaldo one that looked more like Raul Moat for a start
Agreed. No the chap designing this one is very well respected and been well researched .. no point on doing it on the cheap .. do it properly first time and use the best 😀


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 14:30:55
My fear would be the vandalism of this by certain moron's around the town, then of course it needs the general upkeep to ensure it is not covered in birdsh1t and just left for e.g. 5 years time.

As has been said though surely it is also around what goes round it as well so the statue is not just plonked there and looking out of place with everything around it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 16:46:50
I hope we get the Michael Jackson one from Fulham.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 17:09:03
I hope we get the Michael Jackson one from Fulham.

That's an example of getting it right.  A fitting tribute to a club legend.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 10, 2022, 10:20:48
October advisory minutes

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/october/october-advisory-board-minutes-now-available/

5100 STs is good


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Monday, October 10, 2022, 10:26:33
That makes pretty good reading


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, October 11, 2022, 11:56:45
It would be good if there is a key maybe at bottom of each page of who is who as when reading something and seeing initials its frustrating scrolling back to the top of the document to work out which initials belong to who.

It also seems that there are certain people named that never attend the meetings.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, October 11, 2022, 17:45:39
It would be good if there is a key maybe at bottom of each page of who is who as when reading something and seeing initials its frustrating scrolling back to the top of the document to work out which initials belong to who.

It also seems that there are certain people named that never attend the meetings.

They are at the top of the first page in the attendees section


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 11:56:34
They are at the top of the first page in the attendees section

Yes but when reading the minutes and seeing the initials you have to scroll back up to see who the initials belong to


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 12:26:25
Yes but when reading the minutes and seeing the initials you have to scroll back up to see who the initials belong to
Third world problems  ;D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 19:22:08
Why are the staff in the food kiosk in the Arkells refusing to give you a lid on a cup of tea? Just after 2pm I was told (very politely) that they have been told they can’t allow lids with the tea cups. She had no idea why - but that’s what they have been asked to do.
I am 65 years old - I could do more damage by spilling hot tea on myself or on someone else as a result of having no lid than I can do with a cup and lid. Absolutely ridiculous!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 22:07:14
Why are the staff in the food kiosk in the Arkells refusing to give you a lid on a cup of tea? Just after 2pm I was told (very politely) that they have been told they can’t allow lids with the tea cups. She had no idea why - but that’s what they have been asked to do.
I am 65 years old - I could do more damage by spilling hot tea on myself or on someone else as a result of having no lid than I can do with a cup and lid. Absolutely ridiculous!

We get lids in the DRS, for coffee anyway, can't speak for tea though.
Maybe the former is deemed to be more of a threat to safety than the latter?
Don't know.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 22:42:40
that's just odd


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 07:41:23
It’s like when they serve you a bottle without the top. Everyone goes to the game now with a lid in their pocket which you put straight on the bottle they give you.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 08:29:37
It’s like when they serve you a bottle without the top. Everyone goes to the game now with a lid in their pocket which you put straight on the bottle they give you.

If the cap fits use it😁


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 09:14:38
I think you probably just had someone who misunderstood the no caps on the drink thing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 09:43:04
I think you probably just had someone who misunderstood the no caps on the drink thing

Suggests there is a serious flaw in training staff. To be honest not having a lid on a hot cup of tea is a scalding hazard and if we were in the states could see lawsuits being raised.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 11:11:01
Suggests there is a serious flaw in training staff. To be honest not having a lid on a hot cup of tea is a scalding hazard and if we were in the states could see lawsuits being raised.
Is it really that serious if that is what happened? On that basis it should be a legal requirement to keep the lids on the tea but we can take it off when we want


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 13:10:25
What about bovril? Everyone knows that is the footballing connoiseur drink of choice. Do they have lids on?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: ronnie21 on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 13:42:19
I thought I saw in the advisory board minutes that they were now doing hots dogs - asked for one yesterday and was greeted by a dumb stare! Was asked to look to see if it was on the menu board.  When I said I couldn't see it dumb stare turned away and served the next customer!!  Service at its best
 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 14:05:12
Is it really that serious if that is what happened? On that basis it should be a legal requirement to keep the lids on the tea but we can take it off when we want

In the grand scheme of things of course not, but if an elderly person scalds their hand/arm because they haven't been provided a lid on the cup of tea they've been given because of a misunderstanding between staff it's not ideal. It was serious enough for someone to post about on here.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 14:17:42
I like a lid on my Bovril . easier to take back to the seat, keeps it warmer longer.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 14:20:31
Take a flask😀


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 14:44:16
Take a flask😀

A plastic bottle with its lid on is a danger, but a flask is ok 🤷🏼‍♂️


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 15:42:30
My Bovril came without a lid so I took one from the counter and popped it on (Arkells). Easies. I reckon things are going well if we are reduced to moaning about lids.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 15:44:55
A plastic bottle with its lid on is a danger, but a flask is ok 🤷🏼‍♂️

Have they said the reason for not supplying lids😀


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 16:21:01
Take a flask😀

That is interesting. You’re not allowed a cap on a bottle of water or pop bottle (hot drinks at certain kiosks) but the two blokes in front of me in the DR have a flask!? Fantastic heavy weight missile if you want to launch onto the pitch or at an opposition fan if you’re close enough. Doesn’t make sense.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 16:36:23
Health and safety never does


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 16:36:56
That is interesting. You’re not allowed a cap on a bottle of water or pop bottle (hot drinks at certain kiosks) but the two blokes in front of me in the DR have a flask!? Fantastic heavy weight missile if you want to launch onto the pitch or at an opposition fan if you’re close enough. Doesn’t make sense.

It makes no sense if that is the reason they have stopped supplying lids.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 16:56:44
more likely cost/plastic waste, surely?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 16:56:56
Nice that the 'issues' are a little more trivial than they have been in the last few years!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 17:16:05
The club said at the Q&A that it was a rule given to them by the health and safety


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 23, 2022, 17:38:32
Quote from: DMC
The club said at the Q&A that it was a rule given to them by the health and safety

sorry, I meant the Bovril cup lifs

I already smuggle in b&m bargains coke + a spare bottle top just in case.

I draw the line at plastic lids for Bovril!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 15:14:53
What about bovril? Everyone knows that is the footballing connoiseur drink of choice. Do they have lids on?

I like Bovril but their social media team seem to support Oxford for some reason the cunts.

We should seek alternative beefy drink options.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 15:16:55
That is interesting. You’re not allowed a cap on a bottle of water or pop bottle (hot drinks at certain kiosks) but the two blokes in front of me in the DR have a flask!? Fantastic heavy weight missile if you want to launch onto the pitch or at an opposition fan if you’re close enough. Doesn’t make sense.

When does it ever? Covid restrictions were a fantastic example of making up shite as you go.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: oxonrobin on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 21:22:36
I like Bovril but their social media team seem to support Oxford for some reason the cunts.

We should seek alternative beefy drink options.

Tricky as Oxo is a little bit on the nose, Oxford wise as well. Where do we go from here?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 21:30:23
Tricky as Oxo is a little bit on the nose, Oxford wise as well. Where do we go from here?  :hmmm:

We should make our own pork stock flavoured beverage, in honour of our name.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: stfctownenda on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 21:43:34
I thought I saw in the advisory board minutes that they were now doing hots dogs - asked for one yesterday and was greeted by a dumb stare! Was asked to look to see if it was on the menu board.  When I said I couldn't see it dumb stare turned away and served the next customer!!  Service at its best
 

They do it’s a mobile hot dog stand and is normally positioned close to Digbys bar in the Don Rogers stand.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 07:07:22
aaaah, I'd also assumed it was at the normal food things.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 07:36:56
I thought I saw in the advisory board minutes that they were now doing hots dogs - asked for one yesterday and was greeted by a dumb stare! Was asked to look to see if it was on the menu board.  When I said I couldn't see it dumb stare turned away and served the next customer!!  Service at its best
 

So you asked for something that wasn’t on the menu and got annoyed when you got a blank look?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 07:52:46
So you asked for something that wasn’t on the menu and got annoyed when you got a blank look?

Well, they could have just not updated the menu!

The advisory board minutes didn't make it clear it was from a separate stall out of eyesight of half the stand concourse - still now we know now.

What's the chicken balti pie situation - do I need Ranulph Fiennes to work out where they are being sold, or are they at the main kiosks :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, October 27, 2022, 14:41:47
A flask generally requires a financial outlay to purchase so is less likely to be discarded by popping to the bogs, topping up with water, putting the lid on and launching at the opposition fans/ ref/ annoying twat further up the stand who keeps shouting FORWAAAAAAARD!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 27, 2022, 15:37:19
A flask generally requires a financial outlay to purchase

Clearly you've never bought a coke from the kiosk £££ :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 27, 2022, 17:35:24
A flask generally requires a financial outlay to purchase so is less likely to be discarded by popping to the bogs, topping up with water, putting the lid on and launching at the opposition fans/ ref/ annoying twat further up the stand who keeps shouting FORWAAAAAAARD!

Civic Type R man? He's an interesting character, I alluded to him in the Colchester MDT as I had the (mis)fortune of sitting behind him. (of course if it's the same fella)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 31, 2022, 10:23:30
The club said at the Q&A that it was a rule given to them by the health and safety

When does it ever? Covid restrictions were a fantastic example of making up shite as you go.

Health and Safety is not a 'thing' which has gone mad, despite what the Daily Mail is desperate to tell you.

Ultimately I would imagine that someone will have done a risk assessment which will have noted that a full bottle of water can be used as a fairly handy missile should someone to choose to use it and thus would also provide an opportunity for anyone hit by such an object sold by the club in such a state to then sue the club for negligence, thus the clubs public liability insurers will probably be asking for such a policy to be adopted to reduce litigation risk.

In the main such rules are not caused by 'H&S' and instead wholly by the habit of human beings to sue at any opportunity to gain a few quid, often these being the same people who maon incessantly that bloody H&S has gone maaaad.

Not aimed at any posters, just a bug bear of mine having been involved in assessing claims against various public organisations over the years and realising that a) people will sue for just about anything despite what a clueless prick it will make them look like and b) unless paperwork and policies are in place liability is normally proven. Not helped by the fact that many places who self insure do not bother contesting claims <£4k as the staff time costs more than the settlement, and the no win no fee solicitors know this!

P.S Be interesting (not really) to see how this is all affected now more and more drinks are being flogged in bottles where the lid stays attached to prevent  littering, more paperwork for someone.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, November 1, 2022, 02:09:25

...of a threat to safety than the latte?


Do better with your wordplay next time Bob  ;)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, November 11, 2022, 10:56:47
Post this weeks AB and both Trust and OSC feedback around the U16 policy and alternative options given fans feedback on this and to improve this and given the improved behavior seen over the last 4-6 weeks the club have now decided to amend the policy and align more to other Lg2 clubs policy on young fans attending games. https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/november/club-update-on-young-fans-attending-sn1/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, November 11, 2022, 12:56:07
Post this weeks AB and both Trust and OSC feedback around the U16 policy and alternative options given fans feedback on this and to improve this and given the improved behavior seen over the last 4-6 weeks the club have now decided to amend the policy and align more to other Lg2 clubs policy on young fans attending games. https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/november/club-update-on-young-fans-attending-sn1/


13/14/15 year olds don't carry ID, how on earth are they going to police this?

Remember Brentford refused me entry at 15 pay on the gate and I had no ID and only enough money left for a concession ticket. Think they caved eventually and let me in as the game was kicking off.

To be fair, I did look about 23 and was about 6 beers deep.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, November 11, 2022, 13:02:29
It’s what most other clubs do, isn’t it? Gives stewards a bit more discretion to root out the clear trouble makers.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 11, 2022, 13:24:20
So was it the under 16's who were specifically doing the vandalism then?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 11, 2022, 14:05:31
Bloody kids


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, November 11, 2022, 15:31:43
Got it wrong to start with, but a good exercise in getting it right and evidence of the AB and trust/osc participation


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 14, 2022, 09:13:21
Wasn't exactly sure where to put this but this thread kind of seems the right place.

For the Colchester and Tranmere games, our tickets which we have downloaded on our phone haven't worked. For Colchester we showed our tickets to the girl who let us in but on Saturday after the scanner returned a 'check ticket' type message we showed it to the girl who after some time said we are entering the wrong stand!! She let us in but are there still issues with scanners? Is there anything I can do to resolve this issue?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 14, 2022, 09:44:45
Wasn't exactly sure where to put this but this thread kind of seems the right place.

For the Colchester and Tranmere games, our tickets which we have downloaded on our phone haven't worked. For Colchester we showed our tickets to the girl who let us in but on Saturday after the scanner returned a 'check ticket' type message we showed it to the girl who after some time said we are entering the wrong stand!! She let us in but are there still issues with scanners? Is there anything I can do to resolve this issue?

I don't know the system they use at the CG, but from frustrated experience with the system that Northern Rail use at stations it could be as simple as turning up the brightness on your phone screen, I had a right palaver on Saturday afternoon trying to get through the barriers at Manchester Ox Rd (no doubt with a queue behind me wondering what the twat at the front was doing) only solved when I turned my phone up and it worked fine after that.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 14, 2022, 09:52:01
I don't know the system they use at the CG, but from frustrated experience with the system that Northern Rail use at stations it could be as simple as turning up the brightness on your phone screen, I had a right palaver on Saturday afternoon trying to get through the barriers at Manchester Ox Rd (no doubt with a queue behind me wondering what the twat at the front was doing) only solved when I turned my phone up and it worked fine after that.

Cheers Horlock but I don't think there is an issue with the brightness. In fact, when I open up the ticket the brightness automatically increases so I am pretty sure it's not that. The scanner seemed to scan the ticket as it came up with the 'check ticket' message. No idea if it's relevant but I buy an adult and an OAP ticket but I 100% made sure I had the adult, and my dad had the OAP ticket.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 14, 2022, 12:54:35
Were they the same seats both times?

Are they being stored into a "wallet" on your phone, or are you just using the PDF bar code?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, November 14, 2022, 13:23:40
Cheers Horlock but I don't think there is an issue with the brightness. In fact, when I open up the ticket the brightness automatically increases so I am pretty sure it's not that. The scanner seemed to scan the ticket as it came up with the 'check ticket' message. No idea if it's relevant but I buy an adult and an OAP ticket but I 100% made sure I had the adult, and my dad had the OAP ticket.

Probably worth contacting the ticket office.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Monday, November 14, 2022, 13:24:25
Seen in the news a Kaiser Chiefs gig was having issue with tickets disappearing and people now being able to get in.

Digital tickets are fucking shit.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 14, 2022, 13:29:18
Were they the same seats both times?

Are they being stored into a "wallet" on your phone, or are you just using the PDF bar code?

No, the first time we were in block D3U and the second time D6U. We both store them in the "wallets" on our phones. Mine is android and my dad's is Iphone, neither of us can get the bloody thing to scan.

Probably worth contacting the ticket office.

Oh absolutely. I just wondered whether anyone on here had experienced anything similar.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 14, 2022, 13:47:52
No, the first time we were in block D3U and the second time D6U. We both store them in the "wallets" on our phones. Mine is android and my dad's is Iphone, neither of us can get the bloody thing to scan.

Oh absolutely. I just wondered whether anyone on here had experienced anything similar.

All the time in the TE, usually have to get a steward to let me in  :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 14, 2022, 14:12:44
how odd.

a friend went on a Matchday ticket Saturday but

 - he was in the town end
 - I think he scanned the bar code on the pdf -  straight off the phone.

No suggestions, but we'll see if anyone else has the same issue.

 Didn't sound like you are doing anything wrong, well it's kind of hard to.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, November 14, 2022, 17:12:13
Tickets on android phone work ok

Printed copies have caused grief a couple of times

One time I was told that I had booked a ticket for another stand when I tried to get in the town end . I got in eventually


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 14, 2022, 17:16:39
Tickets on android phone work ok

Printed copies have caused grief a couple of times

One time I was told that I had booked a ticket for another stand when I tried to get in the town end . I got in eventually

Haha, same as my experience. I did find it quite amusing when she said I was in the wrong stand. Having sat in the DRS probably 100+ times I think I know the stand I buy tickets in, but of course she wasn't to know my SN1 history.

Reminds me of the Man City game last season where these Italian people were looking for their seats in the DRS. Some helpful fans took a look at their tickets and advised they should have been in the Arkells! Quite how they made it as far as they did should be a mystery, but given the CG staff recently, hardly surprising. Maybe that's why I was told I was in the wrong stand on Saturday! :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, November 14, 2022, 17:30:35
We have the plastic season ticket cards, they only work about half of the time in the DRS.

Ironically, last season I sat with some friends in the Arkells as I was on my own and used a screen shot of a friends ST and it worked fine


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, November 14, 2022, 19:01:48
We have the plastic season ticket cards, they only work about half of the time in the DRS.

Ironically, last season I sat with some friends in the Arkells as I was on my own and used a screen shot of a friends ST and it worked fine

I've not had an issue with the cards all season, much better than last year.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, November 15, 2022, 08:44:39
Seen in the news a Kaiser Chiefs gig was having issue with tickets disappearing and people now being able to get in.

Digital tickets are fucking shit.

One of the few actual real life use cases for NFTs but nobody seems to have twigged yet


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 15, 2022, 08:45:36
get the patent in !


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 13:12:18
Question for AB - What is the situation regarding alcohol sales in the townend?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 14:13:05
Question for AB - What is the situation regarding alcohol sales in the townend?

Is the van around the back not there anymore?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 14:55:55
Is the van around the back not there anymore?
I don’t think it is - anyone who knows otherwise please feel free to correct me.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 14:56:34
Question for AB - What is the situation regarding alcohol sales in the townend?
Its been added to the list for next weeks meeting :-)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 17:27:50
Its been added to the list for next weeks meeting :-)
Jan, can you also ask what the delay is in paying the final £120k that we owe SBC? Has been stuck at that amount for months now which seems odd considering we need to be in their good books ref the CG purchase.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 18:23:17
I guess the point of your question is clarification, but we aren't necessarily in the bad books.

i.e. could be as per repayment schedule.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 19:02:28
Jan, can you also ask what the delay is in paying the final £120k that we owe SBC? Has been stuck at that amount for months now which seems odd considering we need to be in their good books ref the CG purchase.

I wonder if it’ll be paid with the World Cup money and that’s why it’s taken a back seat


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 21:27:02
Could well be an annual payment rather than monthly.  Pay your debts when they absolutely have to be paid, demand your creditors pay you when you want it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, November 30, 2022, 09:21:30
Jan, can you also ask what the delay is in paying the final £120k that we owe SBC? Has been stuck at that amount for months now which seems odd considering we need to be in their good books ref the CG purchase.
Its part of the payment plan and when we complete the deposit on the CG purchase it will be paid off as part of that, that's why it hasn't decreased in recent months..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 30, 2022, 09:23:27
Its part of the payment plan and when we complete the deposit on the CG purchase it will be paid off as part of that, that's why it hasn't decreased in recent months..

I figured it would be that. IIRC the deposit is due on the 31st January 2023 isn't it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, November 30, 2022, 09:52:02
I figured it would be that. IIRC the deposit is due on the 31st January 2023 isn't it?
Correct


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 30, 2022, 10:02:16
Correct

Thanks for confirming :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, November 30, 2022, 13:54:23
Its part of the payment plan and when we complete the deposit on the CG purchase it will be paid off as part of that, that's why it hasn't decreased in recent months..

Assume as its a joint venture the club would be paying the extra £120k on top of what is already going to be paid as part of their 50% deposit ? i.e. just clarifying that the debt is not rolled up into the purchase price ?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, November 30, 2022, 16:41:35
Its part of the payment plan and when we complete the deposit on the CG purchase it will be paid off as part of that, that's why it hasn't decreased in recent months..
Thanks for clarifying.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 11:44:00
Believe the AB was yesterday? Look forward to the minutes- hopefully thorough and transparent.

A reminder of the commitments stated each month-


My commitments to supporters and the wider community of Swindon and surrounding areas:
I will always be open and transparent on all matters in regard to STFC.
I will provide regular engagement and communication with the supporters and the wider community of Swindon and surrounding areas.
I will build a sustainable future for STFC, investing in the infrastructure of the Club with the aim to take it forwards to being a stable Championship Club.
I will build a sensible structure and present a 1, 3, 5 and 10 year plan that will aim to carry and develop STFC into the future.
Further to all of the above, I will not take a salary or any personal fee payments from the Club for the time I own a controlling interest in the club




Wonder when we can expect the 1,3, 5 & 10yr plans?



revisiting this one- when can the plans be expected?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 13:08:38
Couple of questions for JanAirplanMan

Firstky, can the findings of the recent poll on this forum debating whether SL should be kept on be presented at the next AB meeting?

I know this constitutes a very small percentage of the fanbase but the overall result is unequivocally in favour of SL leaving so Clems perspective on this would be welcomed.

Secondly, once/if the ground purchase is completed what would the annual saving on rent payable to SBC be? & would these savings be reinvested into the club directly or would they be used to offset the internal debt that currently exists, presumably of which the majority is owed to CM?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 13:16:20
I want Lindsey gone as much as anyone, but you can’t present a poll in which just over 100 people voted as evidence the fans want him gone.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: bathford on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 13:17:07
Couple of questions for JanAirplanMan

Firstky, can the findings of the recent poll on this forum debating whether SL should be kept on be presented at the next AB meeting?

I know this constitutes a very small percentage of the fanbase but the overall result is unequivocally in favour of SL leaving so Clems perspective on this would be welcomed.

Secondly, once/if the ground purchase is completed what would the annual saving on rent payable to SBC be? & would these savings be reinvested into the club directly or would they be used to offset the internal debt that currently exists, presumably of which the majority is owed to CM?

Very much along the lines I was going to suggest, so clarification would be welcomed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 13:26:54
I want Lindsey gone as much as anyone, but you can’t present a poll in which just over 100 people voted as evidence the fans want him gone.


Totally agree, and there is no way that Clem & Rob would make their opinions on Lindsey public, that would be unprofessional and would undermine Lindsey's position whether they think he is doing a good job or not.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: derbystfc on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 13:45:08
I want Lindsey gone as much as anyone, but you can’t present a poll in which just over 100 people voted as evidence the fans want him gone.


I agree, the AB should be about matters off the pitch etc. However the 2nd question from FreddySTFC is perfectly valid, and a question that should be asked


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 13:51:42
I want Lindsey gone as much as anyone, but you can’t present a poll in which just over 100 people voted as evidence the fans want him gone.

Agreed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 14:05:11
Discussing the contractual position of someone under gainful employment by the business would actually open the club up to a world of trouble at an Employment Tribunal in the future, steer well clear.

The rent will be in the order of 100k a year or so.  The payment was structured based on attendances, from memory, so we'd be paying a little more in the past season or so.  Pre-Power, I think we actually published the number each year in the accounts.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 14:14:11
Discussing the contractual position of someone under gainful employment by the business would actually open the club up to a world of trouble at an Employment Tribunal in the future, steer well clear.

The rent will be in the order of 100k a year or so.  The payment was structured based on attendances, from memory, so we'd be paying a little more in the past season or so.  Pre-Power, I think we actually published the number each year in the accounts.

9 years ago the BBC reported it was £17k a month so £204k a year, it came out when Power was in arrears again and arguing about the maintenance costs the club were facing despite it being a full repairing lease.  

As for the Advisory Board discussing peoples employment where does it stop, player not playing well, fans have a poll and that's it he's kicked out, they tried that at Ebbsfleet, didn't go well.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 14:41:24
£225k per year is the number I heard/remember. Depends on attendances and league position I think.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:04:03
It may have been covered before, but are the fans charging rent on our 50% share of the ground?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:11:16
It may have been covered before, but are the fans charging rent on our 50% share of the ground?

I thought that it was a yes, but the money was going to be used for ground improvements & maintenance


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 15:51:07
Couple of questions for JanAirplanMan

Firstky, can the findings of the recent poll on this forum debating whether SL should be kept on be presented at the next AB meeting?

I know this constitutes a very small percentage of the fanbase but the overall result is unequivocally in favour of SL leaving so Clems perspective on this would be welcomed.

Secondly, once/if the ground purchase is completed what would the annual saving on rent payable to SBC be? & would these savings be reinvested into the club directly or would they be used to offset the internal debt that currently exists, presumably of which the majority is owed to CM?

Well it would appear SL has left the club so that might not be relevant now, buts lets see.
On 2 and the rent, believe the current rent is approx £200k a year and new rent post sale will be around half that number. I will ask formally at the AB on Tuesday and update.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 17:51:07
Well it would appear SL has left the club so that might not be relevant now, buts lets see.
On 2 and the rent, believe the current rent is approx £200k a year and new rent post sale will be around half that number. I will ask formally at the AB on Tuesday and update.
Thanks as always Jan.

I probably should have been clearer on my first point. I wasn't expecting a detailed response from Clem on SL's performance thus far & the liklihood of him being retained etc. More a case of making him aware of the current discontent amongst the fanbase.

I know the numbers polled were small but it was likely that the outcome would have been reflected across the wider fanbase.
Looks to be academic now as you mentioned though.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:03:13
I want Lindsey gone as much as anyone, but you can’t present a poll in which just over 100 people voted as evidence the fans want him gone.


I'd argue this forum is less knee jerky than other mediums though.

A mass twitter/facebook poll of thousands would be even more damning, I suspect.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 18:27:23
I'd argue this forum is less knee jerky than other mediums though.

A mass twitter/facebook poll of thousands would be even more damning, I suspect.

It is knee jerky enough


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, January 10, 2023, 21:41:21
Did the scheduled meeting go ahead today ? :sherlock:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, January 10, 2023, 21:53:01
Did the scheduled meeting go ahead today ? :sherlock:
It did yes.. minutes to follow soon
No discussion on manager situation


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 10, 2023, 21:58:06
It did yes.. minutes to follow soon
No discussion on manager situation

I suspect i know the answer to this but any insight onto a timeline for us announcing the new manager?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 07:15:48
It did yes.. minutes to follow soon
No discussion on manager situation

Yeh, didn’t expect them to share news on the manager hunt with those that attend an advisory board meeting.

However, I do expect (or like to think) that the supporters trust representatives, amongst other attendees, pressed the club officials hard on I’d say 95% of supporters concerns regarding the complete silence from the club this week. I kinda get the silence on the manager, legalities and all that BS, we got mugged off last summer with Charlton and garner so as fans we are used to the club being taken mick out of.

What I don’t get is why the club are radio silent on a massive landmark announcement regarding the news this week on the Trusts JV CG purchase. It’s a big deal. Yet nothing. Not a peep.

I also find it bizarre we’ve not sold this Saturday at all: what happened to Pack the CG for Austin’s return? Biggest signing in years. Could have sold it out easily. Fucking poor. Once again, not a peep. A manager doesn’t stop you tweeting.

Oh, and we had a competitive game yesterday, and our head coach was absent, but you wouldn’t know either of those as the club didn’t mention a peep. They’ve done Chippenham wrong there in all as identified by Dan Hunt on Twitter, could have easily shifted 100-200 more tickets with some promo about the game.

Cowboy/circus setup is the vibe I’m getting.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 09:03:17
Yeah I get not saying anything about the manager situation on twitter, but not to sell an upcoming league game and not comment on us playing even in The Wiltshire Shield is bizarre to say the least.

That and hearing a perfectly adequate appointment in David Artell who has publicly announced his interest hasn't even been contacted.....just adds to the WTF nature of everything.

Crawley announcement
advisory board meeting notes
The right new manager appointed

In that order within the next two days please. Really need to step this up as its becoming worrying.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 09:42:13
ST renewals are just around the corner too, keeping fans in the dark now isnt going to play out well for that marketing push.


Hopefully these are just innocent mistakes that will be learnt from going forward, the Swindon fan in me naturally worries theres more to it and something major (bad) is happening in the background.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 09:57:57
Quote from: The Million Pound Man
Swindon fan in me naturally worries theres more to it and something major (bad) is happening in the background.

what possible previous experiences as a town fan would make you think that.

oh yeah 😁


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 11:05:57
ST renewals are just around the corner too, keeping fans in the dark now isnt going to play out well for that marketing push.


Hopefully these are just innocent mistakes that will be learnt from going forward, the Swindon fan in me naturally worries theres more to it and something major (bad) is happening in the background.

Best case scenario is admin has been working hard lining up a whole load of excellent content to announce the SL departure, inform fans on reasons for the delay, explain progress in new manager search and push Saturday's game hard, all starting this afternoon.

We'll see.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 11:34:32
latest minutes.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-releases-january-advisory-board-minutes/

Who asked the question about tippy tappy football?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 11:35:48
New minutes up

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-releases-january-advisory-board-minutes/

Particular highlights from supporters questions include why are the players still taking the knee and why were there no players at the christmas carol service


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 11:52:28
New minutes up

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-releases-january-advisory-board-minutes/

Particular highlights from supporters questions include why are the players still taking the knee and why were there no players at the christmas carol service

Cheers.

Couple of queries for the Trust really...

Now the voting thing has finished when will it be possible to open up for members again as I would suggest now is a good time to encourage people to join. Plus also note that 'The details of how to obtain shares in the Trust and the County Ground are online and a brochure will also be produced for any who cannot access online.' where is this, can't find it on the website?



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 14:35:05

Particular highlights from supporters questions include why are the players still taking the knee

ffs


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 14:57:59
ffs

Exactly my reaction when i read it, whoever sent that in obviously has nothing else to worry about


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 15:12:21
Cheers.

Couple of queries for the Trust really...

Now the voting thing has finished when will it be possible to open up for members again as I would suggest now is a good time to encourage people to join. Plus also note that 'The details of how to obtain shares in the Trust and the County Ground are online and a brochure will also be produced for any who cannot access online.' where is this, can't find it on the website?



Thanks for questions.. will try and answer below:

1. We are working on re opening the membership part on the new website, we will launch the CG society share purchase at the same time as re-opening up the membership as both go hand in hand, we expect this to occur in a few weeks and will update fans on this. We are just finalising all plans for this. But it wont be too long.. :-)

2. The brochure is due to go to the printers soon and in upcoming home games Trust board members will issue these to fans. Again watch our socials on this.

3. The details of the County Ground purchase and vote result are online on our new website truststfc.com, as well as the structure of the deal and FAQs, there is a typo in the AB notes saying the mechanism to purchase shares is online, this should have read "The ability to purchase shares will follow soon on the new website". Apologies for the misunderstanding here.

thanks


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 15:34:27
Cool, cheers!

Final question (for now ;) ), which has probably been covered elsewhere in the past. In terms of the £2.3m purchase price, is this being wholly funded by the Nigel Eady Trust at least upfront to complete in July and if so I assume that the Supporters Trust will then reimburse them via the proceeds of share sales and the club via the pockets of Clem?

No more questions your honour.  :D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 16:12:39
Exactly my reaction when i read it, whoever sent that in obviously has nothing else to worry about

I didn't even realise they did, I  wait for all the pre match shenanigans to be finished before I get in the ground.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 16:13:48
I didn't even realise they did, I  wait for all the pre match shenanigans to be finished before I get in the ground.

You time things very well. They literally do it 10 seconds before kickoff.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 16:44:18
Cool, cheers!

Final question (for now ;) ), which has probably been covered elsewhere in the past. In terms of the £2.3m purchase price, is this being wholly funded by the Nigel Eady Trust at least upfront to complete in July and if so I assume that the Supporters Trust will then reimburse them via the proceeds of share sales and the club via the pockets of Clem?

No more questions your honour.  :D

Not a problem, happy to help

Your right the Nigel Eady trust will fund the full £2.3M, its likely this may be completed as a single transaction earlier than July but yes we have until July to complete the full payment to SBC.

The Nigel eady Trust in paying for the CG are in essence then funding the CG purchase through the Joint Venture (JV), which is owned 50/50 between STFC and the Trust. That money does not need to be repaid.

Any additional money put in via Clem and the Trust (through fans buying shares/additional contributions on top etc) will then go towards the urgent works needed to develop and refurbish the CG. There is at least £1m of work needed immediately to address various lack of maintenance issues for example, and then there are the costs of the redevelopment of the ground.

I hope that makes sense? shout if you have any further questions



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 16:49:39
So any money raised by the Trust from members doesn't actually buy the ground (which is already bought by the Eady Trust and effectively donated to the Trust/Club through the medium of the CGJV), it essentially becomes a "CG Improvements and Maintenance War-Chest", right?

(Which is fine by the way)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 16:49:45
Not a problem, happy to help

Your right the Nigel Eady trust will fund the full £2.3M, its likely this may be completed as a single transaction earlier than July but yes we have until July to complete the full payment to SBC.

The Nigel eady Trust in paying for the CG are in essence then funding the CG purchase through the Joint Venture (JV), which is owned 50/50 between STFC and the Trust. That money does not need to be repaid.

Any additional money put in via Clem and the Trust (through fans buying shares/additional contributions on top etc) will then go towards the urgent works needed to develop and refurbish the CG. There is at least £1m of work needed immediately to address various lack of maintenance issues for example, and then there are the costs of the redevelopment of the ground.

I hope that makes sense? shout if you have any further questions




Sorry, so that it’s clear as I may have miss read what was said, the Nigel Eady trust are paying for the CG in full & then it’s owned jointly between the club & trust?

I wasn’t aware that was the case if so, as long as the ground is protected which I guess it will be under the agreement all is good.

Thanks


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 18:54:36

Sorry, so that it’s clear as I may have miss read what was said, the Nigel Eady trust are paying for the CG in full & then it’s owned jointly between the club & trust?

I wasn’t aware that was the case if so, as long as the ground is protected which I guess it will be under the agreement all is good.

Thanks

Correct, but the trust 50% we will then sell shares in to fans, all monies will then go towards the renovation of the CG
all of which is protected.
If the money wasn't being provided by the Eady trust then it would take all involved much longer to purchase the CG and undertake the redevelopment.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 18:57:07
So any money raised by the Trust from members doesn't actually buy the ground (which is already bought by the Eady Trust and effectively donated to the Trust/Club through the medium of the CGJV), it essentially becomes a "CG Improvements and Maintenance War-Chest", right?

(Which is fine by the way)
Correct, we have £1m minimum urgent maintenance that needs undertaking on the CG ASAP and then the redevelopment costs.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:00:34
Correct, we have £1m minimum urgent maintenance that needs undertaking on the CG ASAP and then the redevelopment costs.
What will be covered by that £1m urgent maintenance fund?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:02:09
What will be covered by that £1m urgent maintenance fund?

Good shout, I’m intrigued too.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:31:21
Up the Nigel Eady, what a legacy.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:36:26
Up the Nigel Eady, what a legacy.

Absolutely. Deserves something very significant named after him, and I'm sure that will happen.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:42:45
What will be covered by that £1m urgent maintenance fund?

Town End Bar


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:44:33
Correct, we have £1m minimum urgent maintenance that needs undertaking on the CG ASAP and then the redevelopment costs.

Thanks for the clarification


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:44:41
Its a really big list
Some things will be addressed as part of the redevelopment
but some urgent things need to be addressed asap like roof issues on stands, urgent leaks, floodlight repairs, repairs all across the stadium and surrounding areas etc etc.. Like i said its a huge list, but the key thing is ensuring we only spend what we have to and ideally look for most items to be addressed as part of the development, but some things cant wait.




Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:44:49
Absolutely. Deserves something very significant named after him, and I'm sure that will happen.

Started a thread, it probably deserves its own.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 19:47:39
How about building some atmosphere ?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 20:08:51
Quote from: Steak supper
How about building some atmosphere ?

:tumbleweed:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 20:38:17
Does anyone know why Bar 71 has been closed for away fans this season?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 20:41:16
Youth team use it. It’s also used for steward briefings.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 20:41:31
Absolutely. Deserves something very significant named after him, and I'm sure that will happen.

Met him a few times at events when he was alive.
What a legacy.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 21:06:24
How about building some atmosphere ?

Biosphere II was not really a success.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 21:22:59
Youth team use it. It’s also used for steward briefings.

Fuck all away support mean it's not worth opening?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 00:27:24
How about building some atmosphere ?
I'll bring the nitrogen, why don't you bring some argon (bugger to get that much though)?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Penmans Penalties on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 07:50:12
All the best chemistry jokes argon


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 08:58:03
All the best chemistry jokes argon


Fabulous!  :clap:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 09:00:53
Its a really big list
Some things will be addressed as part of the redevelopment
but some urgent things need to be addressed asap like roof issues on stands, urgent leaks, floodlight repairs, repairs all across the stadium and surrounding areas etc etc.. Like i said its a huge list, but the key thing is ensuring we only spend what we have to and ideally look for most items to be addressed as part of the development, but some things cant wait.




On the floodlights, I think I remember seeing something about this before but i've noticed (and it might just be from the Ifollow feed rather than at the ground) during night games and later on in second halves how dim the light appears to be. Are there any plans to do anything with the floodlights in order to either replace the bulbs, or change them to bright energy efficient ones?

Appreciate they are ancient and these things cost and arm and a leg but I was curious.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 09:13:32
On the floodlights, I think I remember seeing something about this before but i've noticed (and it might just be from the Ifollow feed rather than at the ground) during night games and later on in second halves how dim the light appears to be. Are there any plans to do anything with the floodlights in order to either replace the bulbs, or change them to bright energy efficient ones?

Appreciate they are ancient and these things cost and arm and a leg but I was curious.

I suspect a lot will depend on the schedule for redevelopment as the norm seems now for them to be incorporated onto stand roofs, which would in turn allow an up to date and no doubt brighter and more efficient system to be used?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 09:19:58
I suspect a lot will depend on the schedule for redevelopment as the norm seems now for them to be incorporated onto stand roofs, which would in turn allow an up to date and no doubt brighter and more efficient system to be used?

I'd like to think that certain things that make the CG unique (the floodlights, the clock, the scoreboard, the lack of any atmosphere - arf) will be retained in some shape or form. There is something special about the walk to the ground when the lights are on, the structure of them looming over the area gives them a kind of majesty and I hope they are retained and given a pedestal.

Unfortunately it may well be that we have to go along the incorporation into rooves territory but I hope that isn't going to be the case.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 09:26:19
I'd like to think that certain things that make the CG unique (the floodlights, the clock, the scoreboard, the lack of any atmosphere - arf) will be retained in some shape or form. There is something special about the walk to the ground when the lights are on, the structure of them looming over the area gives them a kind of majesty and I hope they are retained and given a pedestal.

Unfortunately it may well be that we have to go along the incorporation into rooves territory but I hope that isn't going to be the case.

I don't know how the floodlights would work with the light shows they have nowadays. A choreographer may need to check


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 09:54:28
Keeping the clock is imperative. Keeping the flood lights as they are would be nice, but might not be practical with the new Town End stand with the hotel and offices and everything in.

Would be a bit odd, but would keeping two up the other end and then having lights on the top of the new stand even work or would that make for uneven lighting?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 09:57:48
Keeping the clock is imperative. Keeping the flood lights as they are would be nice, but might not be practical with the new Town End stand with the hotel and offices and everything in.

Would be a bit odd, but would keeping two up the other end and then having lights on the top of the new stand even work or would that make for uneven lighting?

Good question re the lighting. It will be interesting to see/hear from the club about the visual plans for the ground development that I presume will follow after the purchase has actually happened.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 10:15:16
Keeping the clock is imperative.

This, everything else (including the legendarily bad Stratton bank bogs) is replaceable


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 10:17:47
Just seeing Arsenal kept the Highbury clock, although you never see if because the stadium is so huge. Looks shite anyway compared to ours.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: sir windon on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 10:31:40
I imagine that all this money and effort will be spent on redeveloping the ground..............and us nostalgic oldies are gonna hate it!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 10:34:31
A shame we couldn't have bought the cricket ground and done it properly!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 10:43:13
The side of the car park, the cricket pitch shouldn't really be needed.

After a new roofed Stratton Bank and boxes in the DRS, we should really be able to get everything we need in a new Town End and have an overall increased capacity.

Its much more appealing on the eye than a whole new stadium in my opinion, which however you might try always ends up to seem a bit soulless.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 10:47:07
Keeping the clock is imperative. Keeping the flood lights as they are would be nice, but might not be practical with the new Town End stand with the hotel and offices and everything in.

Would be a bit odd, but would keeping two up the other end and then having lights on the top of the new stand even work or would that make for uneven lighting?

Can't see them getting shot of the clock, and it can be made much more of a feature that at the Emirates as obviously the revised CG will be so much smaller.

WRT floodlights whilst they are a great old feature I imagine that they are a pain  in the arse to maintain and actually quite the liability so whilst I would imagine its no doubt the case that they (or at least a couple) could be kept once the TE is done it will be whether its viable to do so, I would imagine in the medium term it would probably be cheaper to replace those at the bank end with those single column ones you see at many newer small grounds which seem less of a complicated structure than lattice work pylons like we have.

I've never managed to find an image of what was eventually approved on the bank end to get an idea of its height or suitability for lighting, but anything can be done with money.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 10:51:16
I've seen drawings of an exact copy of the DRS for the bank previously, shorter obviously, but the exact same design. not sure if it was actually ever approved.

Deepdale style floodlights would be a decent compromise.


New Town End must be single tiered IMO.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 11:07:40
I've seen drawings of an exact copy of the DRS for the bank previously, shorter obviously, but the exact same design. not sure if it was actually ever approved.

Deepdale style floodlights would be a decent compromise.


New Town End must be single tiered IMO.

I know that whatever was finally approved was approved about the same time as the DRS so it may be the case that they are similar (and if that's the case the club may as well go down that route again as the precedent has been set, just a pity no one was savvy enough to make a technical start and implement it).

Despite having been there a fair few times I had no recollection of the Deepdale floodlights, after googling, their design and siting seems more to do with the roof design employed within the whole ground rather than any specific design decision, as our place, at best, is going to be a bit of a hotchpotch in the medium term probably not really an option, albeit they look very nice.   


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 11:16:05
Are we knocking and rebuilding the bank or just putting a roof on it?

Putting a roof the current bank seems a big pointless with the amount of facilities that need an upgrade and the state of things in the corner by the DRS.

Something basic like the away end at Adams Park would work and shouldn't break the bank, no pun intended.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 11:30:23
Might be making this up but I’m sure I read somewhere the budget for the Bank was only £1m. That means a roof and general tarting up.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 11:40:34
I think it was seen as £1m and more like £2m now, unless I'm misremembering.

Would a stand as basic as the example at Adams Park cost more than that?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 12:07:15
It would have to an all seater whatever it is. A new build is, I think, around £3000 per seat. So a 5000 seater would be £15m.

Seats already in the Bank so a roof and new facilities would see something like the away end at Fratton Park


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 12:22:05
The issue with building a roof over the existing bank is what you are going to found the thing on, historic football terraces are basically made ground which is inherently unstable for building anything on and normally means a lot of expense getting the foundation down to a suitable level to actually found anything on, in the case above whilst I don't doubt the structure would be fairly light, it would also need a fuck load of foundation to stop it being badly affected by the wind, especially in a ground with a built in wind tunnel like our place.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 12:37:24
It would have to an all seater whatever it is. A new build is, I think, around £3000 per seat. So a 5000 seater would be £15m.

Seats already in the Bank so a roof and new facilities would see something like the away end at Fratton Park

Makes sense. The main cost will be too facilities I expect and sorting out the absolute shit pit in the corner dear the DRS. Could facilities go around the back as well?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 12:44:58
It would have to an all seater whatever it is. A new build is, I think, around £3000 per seat. So a 5000 seater would be £15m.

Seats already in the Bank so a roof and new facilities would see something like the away end at Fratton Park

That, plus a tidy up / new toilets and a food kiosk is all the bank really needs at the moment


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 13:14:50
Might be making this up but I’m sure I read somewhere the budget for the Bank was only £1m. That means a roof and general tarting up.

I think as part of the Trust's Joint Venture arrangement we have to have started (not sure if this is got planning permission or completed the work or not) a project for at least £1 million quid within 3 years or the Council can buy the ground back.

I suspect that's where the £1 million quid figure came from and was seen as an 'easy fix' that would meet these requirements.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 13:23:25
I think it was seen as £1m and more like £2m now, unless I'm misremembering.

Would a stand as basic as the example at Adams Park cost more than that?

Would work for me - good size and cover, and then you can put the food concession and toilets in a separate building in the corner like they do- or even use modular buildings for the interim


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 14:15:35
The issue with building a roof over the existing bank is what you are going to found the thing on, historic football terraces are basically made ground which is inherently unstable for building anything on and normally means a lot of expense getting the foundation down to a suitable level to actually found anything on, in the case above whilst I don't doubt the structure would be fairly light, it would also need a fuck load of foundation to stop it being badly affected by the wind, especially in a ground with a built in wind tunnel like our place.

I think you're right. The bank is exactly that. A bank of earth with the steps and seating set into it, rather than a cast reinforced concrete form supported on piles like the DRS.

I'm not sure if there's a practical design option to just "bung a roof on it" or how rational an investment it would be. There's not much space at the back to build the structures required for a cantilevered roof and if you had traditional pillars then the span you'd need to clear the bank itself at either end would probably need a central stantion and who wants to build something with one of those in the 21st century.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 14:17:25
As long as there is something for Spurs fans to torch during their next visit!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 14:26:15
I think you're right. The bank is exactly that. A bank of earth with the steps and seating set into it, rather than a cast reinforced concrete form supported on piles like the DRS.

I'm not sure if there's a practical design option to just "bung a roof on it" or how rational an investment it would be. There's not much space at the back to build the structures required for a cantilevered roof and if you had traditional pillars then the span you'd need to clear the bank itself at either end would probably need a central stantion and who wants to build something with one of those in the 21st century.

Think pillars would be the only option for putting a roof on it and new facilities, like Portsmouth.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lardy Cake on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 14:41:58
Think pillars would be the only option for putting a roof on it and new facilities, like Portsmouth.
Am I right in thinking that money was spent several years ago on some sort of feasibility study regarding putting a roof on the Bank and some sort of explority work was undertaken to see if the supporting pillars could be set in what is basically a mound of earth with very old concrete steps on top ?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 21:47:19
Q: Is there any possibility of relieving SdM of his duties (in regards to shortlisting potential managers/head coaches/club mouthpieces/cone carriers) seeing as he doesn't appear to have a clue when it comes to managerial recruitment?

A: We'll be having a separate advisory meeting to advise upon the advice we will take on the steps forward to determine whether the advisory meeting will go ahead in order to decide if we take advice on the next steps to take at the annual general meeting. In the interim, nothing will change and everything will be the same. All clear?! Thanks; next question...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 06:38:59
So any money raised by the Trust from members doesn't actually buy the ground (which is already bought by the Eady Trust and effectively donated to the Trust/Club through the medium of the CGJV), it essentially becomes a "CG Improvements and Maintenance War-Chest", right?

(Which is fine by the way)

Wait Wait. Going back a few pages. IF The Eady Trust is paying for the CG In Full, isn't Clem as full owner getting half a ground for free?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 06:53:07
Got to admit I thought the Eady money was just paying the Trust’s share of the JV.

Are there any restrictions on what any owner of the club can do with the club’s 50% share?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 07:03:46
Got to admit I thought the Eady money was just paying the Trust’s share of the JV.

Are there any restrictions on what any owner of the club can do with the club’s 50% share?

Listen to the various pods, OSC, lspod, stbl last week all of these questions were discussed in depth.  Also articles in adver and total sport.
Trust website also has a good explanation of it.

In short there are loads of restrictions built into the JV agreement.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 07:20:29
Listen to the various pods, OSC, lspod, stbl last week all of these questions were discussed in depth.  Also articles in adver and total sport.
Trust website also has a good explanation of it.

In short there are loads of restrictions built into the JV agreement.

So I guess you know the anwer then? Is it trust 50% eady. club 50% clem money. Or is Eady covering all of it?

Cos I'd ask the question Why doesn't the trust just own 100%


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 07:41:09
So I guess you know the anwer then? Is it trust 50% eady. club 50% clem money. Or is Eady covering all of it?

Cos I'd ask the question Why doesn't the trust just own 100%
Given the hours of content out there on this with questions being asked directly to those involved in the deal, it would be unfair for me to paraphrase in a sentence  or 2 on here, which is mostly full of bullshit anyway.  Why trust my word when it's on the actual Trusts website ffs.

The County Ground has had no investment in it for decades because no-one will invest in someone else's asset.   Would you put an extension on next doors house?  That situation wouldn't change if the Trust owned it all.

And yes 100% from eady, with club and supporters trust owning 50% each in a joint venture.   



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 07:56:42
Given the hours of content out there on this with questions being asked directly to those involved in the deal, it would be unfair for me to paraphrase in a sentence  or 2 on here, which is mostly full of bullshit anyway.  Why trust my word when it's on the actual Trusts website ffs.

The County Ground has had no investment in it for decades because no-one will invest in someone else's asset.   Would you put an extension on next doors house?  That situation wouldn't change if the Trust owned it all.

And yes 100% from eady, with club and supporters trust owning 50% each in a joint venture.   



Didn't mean to come across as someone who is deliberately being misinformed to create some sort of internet drama.

I honestly thought that clem and his lot were funding their side of the ground purchase. I don't keep up with stuff as much as I used to, and maybe it was knowledge to everyone else and I've just missed some bits. But was suprised by that. I'm not saying it's a problem or anything - although not gonna deny my years of distrust of club owners is hard to get over.

Just a suprise in that I thought I'd kept up on stuff enough to know details like that. Suprised and disappointed in my own ignorance.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 08:13:06

 .... no-one will invest in someone else's asset.  


I understood that the club has a long lease of the ground. I understand that this is different to your example of building on your neighbour's house.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:04:57
I understood that the club has a long lease of the ground. I understand that this is different to your example of building on your neighbour's house.
I was trying to keep it simple.

There is a big difference between a resi lease and a lease of a run down football club as the former can be traded on the open market the latter cannot.

Most investors would prefer to buy a big bit of land and stick a new ground and loads of resi on it rather than spend millions modernising an old in use asset as its easy, cheaper and a far bigger, quicker return to do so.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:13:15
From the Trust FAQs:

What stops the Club from selling its share of the County Ground?

For the Club to sell, assign, move or change it’s shareholding in the County Ground, the JV (joint venture) would have to unanimously agree.


Basically, the Trust can stop the club selling their share to unscrupulous parties.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:32:14
The County Ground has had no investment in it for decades because no-one will invest in someone else's asset.   Would you put an extension on next doors house?  That situation wouldn't change if the Trust owned it all.


Doesn't remove the fact that the ground was/is leased to the club on a full repairing basis so whilst you wouldn't invest in improvements the club should have at least kept up with basic maintenance which they obviously haven't done with the suggestion that it needs millions spending on repairs now.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lardy Cake on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:41:43
Didn't mean to come across as someone who is deliberately being misinformed to create some sort of internet drama.

I honestly thought that clem and his lot were funding their side of the ground purchase. I don't keep up with stuff as much as I used to, and maybe it was knowledge to everyone else and I've just missed some bits. But was suprised by that. I'm not saying it's a problem or anything - although not gonna deny my years of distrust of club owners is hard to get over.

Just a suprise in that I thought I'd kept up on stuff enough to know details like that. Suprised and disappointed in my own ignorance.
I wouldn’t feel too disappointed Ben as you were not alone in your thinking, I also thought Clem was throwing 50% in the pot !
I have now educated myself via the very informative Trust website.  :-[


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:46:21
Doesn't remove the fact that the ground was/is leased to the club on a full repairing basis so whilst you wouldn't invest in improvements the club should have at least kept up with basic maintenance which they obviously haven't done with the suggestion that it needs millions spending on repairs now.
Agreed but it's not as if you can evict them and replace with another tennant.  The council had little power (no pun) to force the issue.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:19:34
How much does the club pay in rent currently to the council? I assume the money saved going forward will be going directly in to the improvements?

I also haven't looked in to this as much as I probably should have, to be honest.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:25:30
How much does the club pay in rent currently to the council? I assume the money saved going forward will be going directly in to the improvements?

I also haven't looked in to this as much as I probably should have, to be honest.
I seem to remember thinking it was something in the region of 200k per year but that could be completely wrong.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:28:39
Back to the advisory board- would prefer the club are pressed on publishing the short/medium/long term strategy  for the club under clem than ask silly questions about taking the knee tbh.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:29:29
How much does the club pay in rent currently to the council? I assume the money saved going forward will be going directly in to the improvements?

I also haven't looked in to this as much as I probably should have, to be honest.

Was apparently £17k a month, 9 years ago. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30586435


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: derbystfc on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:30:36
Back to the advisory board- would prefer the club are pressed on publishing the short/medium/long term strategy  for the club under clem than ask silly questions about taking the knee tbh.

Agree, do people not have much to do in their life then to think of silly questions.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:36:48
How much does the club pay in rent currently to the council? I assume the money saved going forward will be going directly in to the improvements?

I also haven't looked in to this as much as I probably should have, to be honest.

I think the club still pay rent to the the JV -  50% into improvements/maintenance and 50% off (hopefully).

Was apparently £17k a month, 9 years ago. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30586435

10 year or so ROI then, not too bad.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:40:06
I wouldn’t feel too disappointed Ben as you were not alone in your thinking, I also thought Clem was throwing 50% in the pot !
I have now educated myself via the very informative Trust website.  :-[

me as well! Was suprising to read but at the same if it's covered it's covered so no issues


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:59:32
So we're looking to complete on the purchase by the summer.

Obvious question then is probably what is the timeline to see the first plans for the first steps of redevelopment? Will need to get a move on if the council have sanctions on timeframes.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 11:16:17
So we're looking to complete on the purchase by the summer.

Obvious question then is probably what is the timeline to see the first plans for the first steps of redevelopment? Will need to get a move on if the council have sanctions on timeframes.

https://truststfc.com/structure-of-the-purchase-and-lease/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 11:19:50
https://truststfc.com/structure-of-the-purchase-and-lease/

thanks, i'll have a proper read this afternoon


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 11:49:49
So question, when it comes to redeveloping the ground, is this to be paid for by the JV as technically that's who owns it (Trust & Club) or is this something the club will fund as all revenue goes back to them


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 11:54:55
So question, when it comes to redeveloping the ground, is this to be paid for by the JV as technically that's who owns it (Trust & Club) or is this something the club will fund as all revenue goes back to them

These questions are all answered in the available FAQs/Trust podcasts in more detail, but basically both are available. The JV will seek to redevelop some elements of the ground (and indeed has to under the SBC sale terms) but there's nothing stopping the club funding further redevelopments over and above what the JV can/will do.

https://truststfc.com/the-joint-venture-agreement/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 12:55:27
https://truststfc.com/structure-of-the-purchase-and-lease/

Doesn't answer when we might see initial plans for the bank, just works to commence within three years.

Another question would be, will the rent paid by the club, to the JV be at the same rate they're currently playing the council?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 13:46:18
Doesn't answer when we might see initial plans for the bank, just works to commence within three years.

Another question would be, will the rent paid by the club, to the JV be at the same rate they're currently playing the council?

That question was asked of the Trust a few weeks back and we asked at the AB (its in the latest set of minutes). Its 50% rent of what was paid to the council.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 04:29:44
Like something feels off about all this now. I'm sure all the info has been on trusts website about the breakdown, etc...

But it feels like we've been left to presume clem is putting it 50% and nobody has corrected us. Like a clause in a dodgy contract.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 07:59:03
Like something feels off about all this now. I'm sure all the info has been on trusts website about the breakdown, etc...

But it feels like we've been left to presume clem is putting it 50% and nobody has corrected us. Like a clause in a dodgy contract.

It's has been out in the open since the Eady funding has been confirmed, it sounds like it has just passed a few people by.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 08:11:26
First I'd heard of it too


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 08:19:40
The information has been known for a while - you can see in the AB notes below

"Plans to buy County Ground moving at pace with exchange due by end of January and discussions on funding purchase of County Ground by Nigel Eady Trust Fund progressing well"

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-minutes-november-2022.pdf


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 08:19:58
They covered it on the podcasts and with Vic Mogan too if i remember correctly. It's 1.2 millian the club won't owe Clem too i suppose


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 08:47:49
If it was known that the Eady funds were pretty much a done deal, then that might have freed up Clem's pocket in order to clear the debenture, which was important, if not vital, to get that out of the way.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lardy Cake on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 09:11:59
It does seem odd to me that a number of us missed the fact that "legal and funding discussions were continuing with positive discussions with the Nigel Eady Trust" sometime between the October and November meetings. If these discussions were started before October they were not mentioned or referred to in the previous minutes !
I just wonder who was involved in these discussions as I can't find any other reference to them unless they were detailed in the Trust podcasts.
I also have no issue with what is now being proposed but I still think it odd that something as significant as these discussions were not mentioned from the start of the process. Perhaps I am asking for too much openness !


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 09:28:51
This is taken from the October minutes - did you read them before commenting that they weren't mentioned?

"County Ground deal continues with Exchange agreed for 31/1/2023. Work is now progressing at speed to finalise the sale, lease and JV agreements. Positive discussions with the Nigel Eady
Trust Fund in respect of them funding the purchase of the ground which would be an amazing legacy from Nigel."

I'm sure private discussions have been happening for months but until you are close to an agreement, why would you make it public.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-minutes-october-2022.pdf


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lardy Cake on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 09:48:06
This is taken from the October minutes - did you read them before commenting that they weren't mentioned?

"County Ground deal continues with Exchange agreed for 31/1/2023. Work is now progressing at speed to finalise the sale, lease and JV agreements. Positive discussions with the Nigel Eady
Trust Fund in respect of them funding the purchase of the ground which would be an amazing legacy from Nigel."

I'm sure private discussions have been happening for months but until you are close to an agreement, why would you make it public.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-minutes-october-2022.pdf
Thank you for the above. No reference was made to this in the previous minutes Agenda item 1.1 so I assumed it was not discussed at the October meeting. You are quite right I missed this totally probably for the second time, my bad. I guess that is something several of us missed, my apologies.
I totally agree that there needs to be private discussions before any public announcement on such matters, I was simply more interested in who was involved in the public discussions.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 09:52:54
No worries, we all miss stuff when we don't bother reading it.

I'm not sure what you mean, you were interested in who was involved in the public discussions?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lardy Cake on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 10:20:43
I followed the previous Nigel Eady Trust involvement in the STFC in the Community Trust (Foundation Park) quite closely and just wondered if the same Representatives/Executors are involved in the latest JV agreements etc. nothing more.
It is often these people that really make the difference in securing a lasting legacy and very often go unnoticed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 13:19:10
I'd just like to go on record and say I have zero issue with The Eady Fund paying for the clubs side of the purchase in the JV, as long once the purchase is complete we get some plans and some action regarding the Stratton Bank redevelopment in a timely manner.

The 50% of usual rent the club would normally be paying going in to the JV fund isn't going to near cover even getting The Bank done soon, so Clem is going to have to get his wallet out.

Are we left with anything at all in the Eady fund after the purchase is complete or is that it done?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: kaufman on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 14:53:59
It’s really worth checking out the loathed strangers podcast episode.
It was the most comprehensive piece on it all that I’ve heard and answered so much.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lardy Cake on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 16:13:13
It’s really worth checking out the loathed strangers podcast episode.
It was the most comprehensive piece on it all that I’ve heard and answered so much.

Just listened to the podcast as I have nothing else to do this afternoon. Yep I agree, very informative and very well presented.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 24, 2023, 12:46:19
I see in latest minutes there is talk of season ticket pricing, sounds like they club want to increase prices, not sure that's a good idea with the cost of living issues going on, people may not have that extra disposable income to pay more for a ST, and with it looking likely it will be another season in L2 we may have hit a ceiling with the amount of ST holders we have, and the club surely don't want figures going down, rather that staying around the same.
Don't want to price anyone out.

Maybe it is best to freeze prices for a season. and review next season if we are looking likely to get promoted.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, February 24, 2023, 12:53:48
I see in latest minutes there is talk of season ticket pricing, sounds like they club want to increase prices, not sure that's a good idea with the cost of living issues going on, people may not have that extra disposable income to pay more for a ST, and with it looking likely it will be another season in L2 we may have hit a ceiling with the amount of ST holders we have, and the club surely don't want figures going down, rather that staying around the same.
Don't want to price anyone out.

Maybe it is best to freeze prices for a season. and review next season if we are looking likely to get promoted.

Following on from the above post (which I have to agree with), wasn't our season ticket prices increased last season due to the costs of running the club?!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:00:28
Be interesting to see the numbers for next season.If it was renewal time today with everything how it is i think they would really struggle


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:08:32
Be interesting to see the numbers for next season.If it was renewal time today with everything how it is i think they would really struggle

Honestly think the fan base is more resilient than we think. But it would surely be down on numbers.

Also depends on how much the price increase takes the piss.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:14:57
If it was an increase today i wouldn't be renewing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:17:19
I think the fanbase will hold up but expect season ticket holders to drop and the crowds will fluctuate depending on results throughout the season.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:30:10
With two ST’s and over £1000 a year in fuel costs I have to say currently I’m thinking twice about renewing, a significant increase in price would probably push me over the edge


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:35:58
With two ST’s and over £1000 a year in fuel costs I have to say currently I’m thinking twice about renewing, a significant increase in price would probably push me over the edge

That's some commitment do you travel from Peterborough?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:53:40
That's some commitment do you travel from Peterborough?

Yeah, most Saturday & the odd Tuesday night games


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:55:32
I’ll probably get 2 for next season - especially as I’ll be able to get an old git’s concessionary one.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:04:34
Can the club commit to making the whole stadium and facilities accessible in the close season? Not sure we have an away bar at the moment, no idea what the state of Stratton Bank toilets or Town End facilities are. Refurbishing or going for modular interim solutions should pay for themselves - let's use the whole ground while we're in the planning stages to the fullest opportunity.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:28:53
I see in latest minutes there is talk of season ticket pricing, sounds like they club want to increase prices, not sure that's a good idea with the cost of living issues going on, people may not have that extra disposable income to pay more for a ST, and with it looking likely it will be another season in L2 we may have hit a ceiling with the amount of ST holders we have, and the club surely don't want figures going down, rather that staying around the same.
Don't want to price anyone out.

Maybe it is best to freeze prices for a season. and review next season if we are looking likely to get promoted.

I don't have a dog in the fight as I am a shit fan living 200+ miles away and have not set foot in the theatre of nightmares this century (I don't think), but I would imagine the energy costs for the club will have gone through the fecking roof over the last 9 months so that will need to be covered either by ticket prices or Clems back pocket.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:35:32
The corollary is that everbody's costs have have gone up and disposable income has gone down..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:40:21
Can the club commit to making the whole stadium and facilities accessible in the close season? Not sure we have an away bar at the moment, no idea what the state of Stratton Bank toilets or Town End facilities are. Refurbishing or going for modular interim solutions should pay for themselves - let's use the whole ground while we're in the planning stages to the fullest opportunity.

Well they use portaloss in The Bank when its open, so that should answer for that stand.

The away bar warrants sorting in the long term but maybe not for some of the support we get down here.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:41:38
The corollary is that everbody's costs have have gone up and disposable income has gone down..

Oh I don't disagree with you, but long and short increased costs have to be funded from somewhere, be it ticket prices, extra investment from the owner or existing budgets, not an easy decision to make.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:48:53
Oh I don't disagree with you, but long and short increased costs have to be funded from somewhere, be it ticket prices, extra investment from the owner or existing budgets, not an easy decision to make.

I think the issue is that if there’s no noticeable improvement in performances between now & the cutoff for ST renewals the income may go down significantly.

If you lose 500 ST holders, you would need to put the tickets up by almost £50 to keep overall income the same let alone see an increase in revenue to cover the costs.

As you say it’s not an easy decision


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:56:38
Well there won't be any rent to pay.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:59:37
Well there won't be any rent to pay.

The club will pay 50%, which then gets reinvested.
50% of what - no idea how much the council was charging.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 25, 2023, 10:39:03
The club will pay 50%, which then gets reinvested.
50% of what - no idea how much the council was charging.
Wasn't it about £250k per year?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, February 25, 2023, 12:15:47
The problem with increasing season ticket prices this time round is any increase will likely cross the the psychological barrier of £400 for renewals. New season tickets cost that this season but people renewing this season are likely to see £400+ as hard to justify for league 2 and for a seemingly development over promotion approach that we’ve seen this season is that price really worth paying?

The club are going to need to be very specific with their messaging about next season with a focus on promotion and a demonstration of this aim. I’ve reconsidered my definite renewal, I’ll probably wait until July to see what sort of business we are doing. If it’s similar to this season with just seemingly chasing punts with no known quality and experience I probably won’t bother and just pick and choose next season. I imagine many will do the same.

Also I’m not doing a bank transfer again this season, if they haven’t sorted the ability to pay for season tickets with a credit card I won’t be bothering as not to have that ability for a second season would be both pathetic and concerning.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lemis on Saturday, February 25, 2023, 12:42:04
I certainly won't be renewing if they raise prices and don't go up. I can rarely make Tuesday night games, so I'm only just getting value for money out of it anyway and there isn't enough local away days  for it to be worth it for the priority windows either.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Saturday, February 25, 2023, 15:01:49
Also I’m not doing a bank transfer again this season, if they haven’t sorted the ability to pay for season tickets with a credit card I won’t be bothering as not to have that ability for a second season would be both pathetic and concerning.

Yeah, it that isn't sorted then its an absolute joke and serious questions would need to be asked.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Monday, March 13, 2023, 20:07:09
Sorry for the bump.  Do we think that the members of the Advisory board can look at how things are being approached.  It is happening too often now that things like season ticket prices are being released  and both the Trust and OSC come out saying how they spoke to club and worked together and then within days another Uturn is being mad.

As the voice of the fans why is this happening time after time. This may sound pretty blunt but what role have these groups actually played here when after complaints about 1 section this afternoon is changed within hours, same last summer


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Monday, March 13, 2023, 20:45:59
Sorry for the bump.  Do we think that the members of the Advisory board can look at how things are being approached.  It is happening too often now that things like season ticket prices are being released  and both the Trust and OSC come out saying how they spoke to club and worked together and then within days another Uturn is being mad.

As the voice of the fans why is this happening time after time. This may sound pretty blunt but what role have these groups actually played here when after complaints about 1 section this afternoon is changed within hours, same last summer

I will try and explain as best I can. Advisory board were issued with suggested ST prices and asked for feedback. We went back with joint feedback from fans groups where we said suggested increases were far too high and suggested alternative options significantly lower, Club came back showing their costs were 17-20% higher than this season. after going back and forth a few times we eventually agreed on significantly lower ST costs whereby ticket price increases were circa 5% early bird and 10% post early bird. This was under half the increases initially suggested by the club.
On the disabled tickets the concession element applied last year wasnt shown in the comparison costs (suggested v last seasons cost), hence why a pushback wasnt given. Ultimately when this was made clear today we fought for the same concession be applied to this season's disabled ticket which is now has been.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, March 13, 2023, 21:04:08
Sorry for the bump.  Do we think that the members of the Advisory board can look at how things are being approached.  It is happening too often now that things like season ticket prices are being released  and both the Trust and OSC come out saying how they spoke to club and worked together and then within days another Uturn is being mad.

As the voice of the fans why is this happening time after time. This may sound pretty blunt but what role have these groups actually played here when after complaints about 1 section this afternoon is changed within hours, same last summer


100% agree
Said it a while ago but the AB for me is just a box ticking exercise.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 08:41:41
I will try and explain as best I can. Advisory board were issued with suggested ST prices and asked for feedback. We went back with joint feedback from fans groups where we said suggested increases were far too high and suggested alternative options significantly lower, Club came back showing their costs were 17-20% higher than this season. after going back and forth a few times we eventually agreed on significantly lower ST costs whereby ticket price increases were circa 5% early bird and 10% post early bird. This was under half the increases initially suggested by the club.
On the disabled tickets the concession element applied last year wasnt shown in the comparison costs (suggested v last seasons cost), hence why a pushback wasnt given. Ultimately when this was made clear today we fought for the same concession be applied to this season's disabled ticket which is now has been.

So based on that. are the Trust going to do as DMC suggested and look how things are being approached/managed (i.e. hold the club to account) or are the trust going to take a look at their own internal vetting procedures so that they are not just blindly vetting the information being handed over by the club and examining the content of that information to make sure it is complete so that the trust are able to push back on the right things and avoid a Tory government style Uturn bonanza?

Isn't it the Trusts role to examine the information being provided by the club and not leave it to the fans to unearth the almighty bollock being dropped?  Can you not see why some fans feel that the Trust sit closer to the club than the fans sometimes and feel that the club use the trust to deliver bad news, possibly because they know that the information that they give them is not being studied enough. The Trust should be there to be the ones that unearth and highlight these mistakes, and ensure that they are addressed before the press release goes out - that is what holding the club to account really looks like.  Do that and then the trust can happily sit there and take the plaudits for reducing the rise from 17% to 5-10%.

To DMC's point, i think it is clear that somebody screwed up here, and also to DMC's point, it's not the first time over the past few years.  The question is, what are we doing to make sure the screw ups are reduced, or ideally irradicated.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 11:04:48
So based on that. are the Trust going to do as DMC suggested and look how things are being approached/managed (i.e. hold the club to account) or are the trust going to take a look at their own internal vetting procedures so that they are not just blindly vetting the information being handed over by the club and examining the content of that information to make sure it is complete so that the trust are able to push back on the right things and avoid a Tory government style Uturn bonanza?

Isn't it the Trusts role to examine the information being provided by the club and not leave it to the fans to unearth the almighty bollock being dropped?  Can you not see why some fans feel that the Trust sit closer to the club than the fans sometimes and feel that the club use the trust to deliver bad news, possibly because they know that the information that they give them is not being studied enough. The Trust should be there to be the ones that unearth and highlight these mistakes, and ensure that they are addressed before the press release goes out - that is what holding the club to account really looks like.  Do that and then the trust can happily sit there and take the plaudits for reducing the rise from 17% to 5-10%.

To DMC's point, i think it is clear that somebody screwed up here, and also to DMC's point, it's not the first time over the past few years.  The question is, what are we doing to make sure the screw ups are reduced, or ideally irradicated.

You do realise that the Trust/OSC give up their own free time to do all of this? I'm looking at the ST information and I can't see the information about disabled prices clearly available.

It would be great if some one from the disabled fan group applied to be a board member or helps them but that hasn't happened.

They aren't able to stop every issue that happens and if you think that then you might have to re do your expectations.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 11:33:32
You do realise that the Trust/OSC give up their own free time to do all of this? I'm looking at the ST information and I can't see the information about disabled prices clearly available.

It would be great if some one from the disabled fan group applied to be a board member or helps them but that hasn't happened.

They aren't able to stop every issue that happens and if you think that then you might have to re do your expectations.
This is my point though and believe me it is in no way a pop but as you have rightfully said it's not clearly available for fans to see. In that case it should not have been released yet , in regards to a disabled fan group member, Lee has been asking for months to be able to attend.

I don't think fans want the Trust/OSC to be ott on everything but on these type of things it's happening time and time again and is undoing all the good work the club are doing elsewhere

In fact i was having a chat last night and i honestly think if you look at every issue over the last 6-9 months it always comes back to the same thing. Awful media comms and PR. Rob has gone on there last night and theres not even an acknowledgement to the change they made yesterday on offivial comms


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 11:40:31
I'm looking at the ST information and I can't see the information about disabled prices clearly

To be fair you're right, it looks like the club fucked about with disable tickets last year too.

The family pack erosion has been clear. Like I said, maybe "too cheap" is the right answer here - but they were quietly brushed under the carpet.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 11:43:48
In fact i was having a chat last night and i honestly think if you look at every issue over the last 6-9 months it always comes back to the same thing. Awful media comms and PR. Rob has gone on there last night and theres not even an acknowledgement to the change they made yesterday on offivial comms

My personal take on the club side is - we are losing 500k a year. The club is being run on a shoestring to minimise loss and maximise playing staff. Things inevitably fall through cracks.
I don't know this to be true but I'd be amazed if not.

Bit odd in some circumstances though (see Sippo's thread on mascots - do you want his money or not?).


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 11:47:23
This is my point though and believe me it is in no way a pop but as you have rightfully said it's not clearly available for fans to see. In that case it should not have been released yet , in regards to a disabled fan group member, Lee has been asking for months to be able to attend.

I don't think fans want the Trust/OSC to be ott on everything but on these type of things it's happening time and time again and is undoing all the good work the club are doing elsewhere

In fact i was having a chat last night and i honestly think if you look at every issue over the last 6-9 months it always comes back to the same thing. Awful media comms and PR. Rob has gone on there last night and theres not even an acknowledgement to the change they made yesterday on offivial comms

You don't know, what you don't know. I meant Lee could input via the Trust/OSC (so would see this information before it's released).

You do have to remember that what ever the Trust/OSC feeds back doesnt always get taken onboard


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 12:01:34
You do realise that the Trust/OSC give up their own free time to do all of this? I'm looking at the ST information and I can't see the information about disabled prices clearly available.

It would be great if some one from the disabled fan group applied to be a board member or helps them but that hasn't happened.

They aren't able to stop every issue that happens and if you think that then you might have to re do your expectations.

I do realise yes, and I am Bronze Trust member and contribute monthly.  My point was not a pop at all, more backing up what DMC posted - this is a repeated problem.  If we can hold the club to better standards then the Trust wouldn't spend their limited time fixing mistakes and can work proactively on schemes to improve things for the fans, which is what they should be spending their time on.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:47:24
I will try and explain as best I can. Advisory board were issued with suggested ST prices and asked for feedback. We went back with joint feedback from fans groups where we said suggested increases were far too high and suggested alternative options significantly lower, Club came back showing their costs were 17-20% higher than this season. after going back and forth a few times we eventually agreed on significantly lower ST costs whereby ticket price increases were circa 5% early bird and 10% post early bird. This was under half the increases initially suggested by the club.
On the disabled tickets the concession element applied last year wasnt shown in the comparison costs (suggested v last seasons cost), hence why a pushback wasnt given. Ultimately when this was made clear today we fought for the same concession be applied to this season's disabled ticket which is now has been.
Cheers Jan, good to know and Thanks for responding


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:49:31
New minutes are out


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:51:53
When the Trust / OSC saw these prices, who did they discuss it with, and who decided that a 5% / 10% increase would be acceptable to the fan base ? they clearly could not ask everyone but surely maybe could have done better.

I am shocked though that Clem thought fans would accept around a 20% price increase  - or was that said with the intention of knowing they would have to knock prices down from there so it looks like they are listening ?

I see someone said about the next increase for the following season may hit the £400 mark, the club needs to remember that fans will only pay so much for lower football and when they suddenly cant afford it and stop going they end of doing something else and do not always return, that's another fan lost.

This season so far would not have encouraged those fair weather fans to invest in a ST, so keep prices lower try and build the fan base.

They need to deal with increasing the fan base, the family option does help that, if little Jimmy comes with mum & dad now he has got the football feel and tells his mates who like the ideas of going so they end up going to games and over time little Jimmy grows up and get s an adult ST, then bring his kids or his partner along, it all snowballs into more fans.

Kids are the fan's of the future, it is not all about the here and now.

I wonder if Clem will do his aussie tickets if we sell 6k ST's - I think he maybe safe on that one though


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:54:10
I don't think they said go up 20% but advised what the increase to them was.

Thought the Zav Austin question was more important


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:56:31
Could they not poll/engage with the season ticket holders going forward, their actual customers, rather than the self appointed chumocracy at the Trust? Just a thought.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:58:10
I don't think they said go up 20% but advised what the increase to them was.

Thought the Zav Austin question was more important

If the legal team is ‘reviewing position’ then he obviously didnt pass it imo

Rightly so if the offence was money laundering


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:59:18
If the legal team is ‘reviewing position’ then he obviously didnt pass it imo

Rightly so if the offence was money laundering

Drugs money laundering.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 15:09:52
Could they not poll/engage with the season ticket holders going forward, their actual customers, rather than the self appointed chumocracy at the Trust? Just a thought.

No no, not for me. Its the right method/audience just badly executed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 15:19:40
If the legal team is ‘reviewing position’ then he obviously didnt pass it imo

Rightly so if the offence was money laundering
Starting to become ridiculous that they won’t give a proper answer about his status, they constantly just hide behind a couple of words.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 15:59:35
Starting to become ridiculous that they won’t give a proper answer about his status, they constantly just hide behind a couple of words.
Genuinely don't think they can at the moment.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 16:03:01
If the legal team is ‘reviewing position’ then he obviously didnt pass it imo

Rightly so if the offence was money laundering

I have no idea what the position is, but if he doesn't have any money in the club, is not appointed as a director of any of the companies which own the club and is not the person holding 'significant control' as per Companies House does he even need to apply for or pass it. Be interesting to know if he draws a salary from this

Could they not poll/engage with the season ticket holders going forward, their actual customers, rather than the self appointed chumocracy at the Trust? Just a thought.

Setting aside my intrigue into how the 'chumocracy at the Trust' is self appointed when there are shit loads of opportunities for fans to get involved if they chose to (but fuck it throwing accusations about anonymously on the internet is so much easier and less time consuming), reading things like this more and more the whole ground purchase thing is going to go tits up isn't it considering a lot of the fan base have turned vociferously against the ownership AND the Trust and in many cases the OSC. Its going to be an anti-climatic shit show.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 16:15:29
I have no idea what the position is, but if he doesn't have any money in the club, is not appointed as a director of any of the companies which own the club and is not the person holding 'significant control' as per Companies House does he even need to apply for or pass it. Be interesting to know if he draws a salary from this

Setting aside my intrigue into how the 'chumocracy at the Trust' is self appointed when there are shit loads of opportunities for fans to get involved if they chose to (but fuck it throwing accusations about anonymously on the internet is so much easier and less time consuming), reading things like this more and more the whole ground purchase thing is going to go tits up isn't it considering a lot of the fan base have turned vociferously against the ownership AND the Trust and in many cases the OSC. Its going to be an anti-climatic shit show.

Fair enough. That was lazy. Apologies.

I think the Trust have a massive credibility issue since the takeover. Promises have not been delivered on (5 year plan anyone?), shady characters still stalk the corridors, and some of them come across as insufferably pompous. I get that they probably all began with and have good intentions but they just add to the overall sense of amateur hour that surrounds most things STFC related. I personally cancelled my direct debit to the Trust when they agreed to buy the ground with Lee Power, as I felt that frankly anyone, even SBC, was a better custodian than him.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 16:21:35
(5 year plan anyone?)

Funnily enough that's mentioned in the minutes as "in progress" and more a 1-3 year plan (which is fine).

Get the impression we are in firefighting mode tbh.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 16:40:57
See i think they know what they are doing and our happy to do it with skeleton staff and make mistakes along the way. You don't pay off or transfer some of those debts and enter a ground purchase if you are in firefighting mode in my opinion. It might not be how we like it but i think they have a plan


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 16:52:25
The Trust AGM is a week tomorrow by the way, for those who are concerned about its direction - they're absolutely not a closed shop. Unfortunately at the recent election, only existing board members stood for election, meaning they have at least one board vacancy and non-competitive elections.

I don't neccessarily disagree that some of the current leadership "feel" a bit too close to the club - but that's something that any of us as fans could try to do something about and don't. As Horlock said, easy to throw stones without putting yourself above the parapet - and we absolutely all do it - but fundamentally it's a fairly thankless task I'm sure!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 17:09:14
Fair enough. That was lazy. Apologies.

I think the Trust have a massive credibility issue since the takeover. Promises have not been delivered on (5 year plan anyone?), shady characters still stalk the corridors, and some of them come across as insufferably pompous. I get that they probably all began with and have good intentions but they just add to the overall sense of amateur hour that surrounds most things STFC related. I personally cancelled my direct debit to the Trust when they agreed to buy the ground with Lee Power, as I felt that frankly anyone, even SBC, was a better custodian than him.


So apart from write the 5 year plan, what else can anyone do other than keep asking for it?   It's just bizarre that people think the Trust have any power over the club. 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 17:18:03
Funnily enough that's mentioned in the minutes as "in progress" and more a 1-3 year plan (which is fine).

Get the impression we are in firefighting mode tbh.

I suspect that people are (for whatever reason) expecting way way too much from these promised mythical plans, lets be honest its going to say some generic shit about that we will try to be sustainable (which I suspect will be dependent on a combination of Clem and the fans putting their hands in their pockets - so nothing can be guaranteed at this stage) , will try to do up the ground (addressing the terms of the contract of sale) (which will be dependent on a combination of Clem and the fans putting their hands in their pockets and planning permission issues - so nothing can be guaranteed at this stage), will strive for promotion (which I suspect will be dependent on a combination of Clem and the fans putting their hands in their pockets and as we all know is dependent on literally 10's of other matters - so nothing can be guaranteed at this stage) yadda yadda yadda, there will be no specific timetables or budgets as the football business is so unpredictable that it would be less than useless, so when it is released some will pick holes in it whatever it says - which will be nice.

With the utmost respect to Clem for what he has done (yeah happy clapper I get it), its becoming ever more clear (as much as anything from the financial results coming out of Championship clubs)  that he just doesn't have the depth of pockets to take us into the Championship (and keep us there), very very few owners do, so I suspect his plan will be get us into the middle or upper echelons of L1 and either seek additional investment or roll the club onto another, with a following wind that could be done in 3 years rather making any plan beyond that superfluous, even if he did hang around into the Championship its a completely different game/business then so suspect there is literally nothing that could be predicted at this stage.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 17:19:24
They are part of the advisory board. That implies a degree of 'power' unless it really is the box ticking, rubber-stamping exercise it seems to be. I don't give a toss about the 5 year plan but it is indicative of the issues. If I sat in a board meeting and said 'in progress' for a task every month for 18 months without delivering anything at all I'd expect some robust questions, and the impression is that those aren't being asked. Perhaps that is the wrong impression.

I actually agree with the new update that a 5 year plan is too long at this level but even a top line 3 year plan should be possible to pull together in a few days. Don't promise something and not do it!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 17:50:09
The Trust AGM is a week tomorrow by the way, for those who are concerned about its direction - they're absolutely not a closed shop. Unfortunately at the recent election, only existing board members stood for election, meaning they have at least one board vacancy and non-competitive elections.

I don't neccessarily disagree that some of the current leadership "feel" a bit too close to the club - but that's something that any of us as fans could try to do something about and don't. As Horlock said, easy to throw stones without putting yourself above the parapet - and we absolutely all do it - but fundamentally it's a fairly thankless task I'm sure!

Last year 6 new board members were appointed?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 17:53:27
They are part of the advisory board. That implies a degree of 'power' unless it really is the box ticking, rubber-stamping exercise it seems to be. I don't give a toss about the 5 year plan but it is indicative of the issues. If I sat in a board meeting and said 'in progress' for a task every month for 18 months without delivering anything at all I'd expect some robust questions, and the impression is that those aren't being asked. Perhaps that is the wrong impression.

I actually agree with the new update that a 5 year plan is too long at this level but even a top line 3 year plan should be possible to pull together in a few days. Don't promise something and not do it!

It's an advisory board, not a company board. They are asking our questions, if the club doesn't answer it to your standard, what do you think the Trust should do, to force the issue.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 17:54:37
It's an advisory board, not a company board. They are asking our questions, if the club doesn't answer it to your standard, what do you think the Trust should do, to force the issue.
Let us know that they didn't answer the questions i suppose


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 18:11:34
Let us know that they didn't answer the questions i suppose

They always provide an answer? Just it might not be the one you are looking for.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 17, 2023, 15:58:20
Maybe at the nest AB it can be confirmed if Brand is on secondment or a permanent addition as it has never really been confirmed either way


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 17, 2023, 16:02:07
Maybe at the nest AB it can be confirmed if Brand is on secondment or a permanent addition as it has never really been confirmed either way

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/ed-brand-becomes-assistant-head-coach-at-town/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, March 17, 2023, 16:03:47
Maybe at the nest AB it can be confirmed if Brand is on secondment or a permanent addition as it has never really been confirmed either way

I thought the article posted on the website said it was permanent, because the EFL objected to a secondment as it may have been a conflict of interest in the EFL Cup/Trophy


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, March 17, 2023, 16:22:07
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/ed-brand-becomes-assistant-head-coach-at-town/

"Swindon Town can today confirm the club has reached an agreement with Chelsea to bring in top youth coach Ed Brand as our new Assistant First-Team Head Coach on a full-time basis.

The 36-year-old, who is currently the London clubs under-18s Head Coach, has penned an 18-month contract at SN1 and will join us permanently."

That said, Morris' interview after this appointment was much more ambiguous...!


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 17, 2023, 16:29:58
Quote
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/ed-brand-becomes-assistant-head-coach-at-town/ (https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/ed-brand-becomes-assistant-head-coach-at-town/)

"Swindon Town can today confirm the club has reached an agreement with Chelsea to bring in top youth coach Ed Brand as our new Assistant First-Team Head Coach on a full-time basis.

The 36-year-old, who is currently the London clubs under-18s Head Coach, has penned an 18-month contract at SN1 and will join us permanently."

That said, Morris' interview after this appointment was much more ambiguous...!
That's what it says. Permanent..

On an 18 month contract. when Morris was on a 30 month contract.

It wouldn't be a massive surprise to see him go back to Chelsea after would it 😛

18 months is an eternity in the life of an STFC manager mind


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 11:28:40
We should be getting some minutes soon enough shouldn't we?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 11:33:03
Zav's doing the redactions as we speak.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 11:34:39
Zav's doing the redactions as we speak.

'Zav is an absolute teddy bear and we'll shortly be announcing the signing of Pakistan's version of Mo Salah to play up front next season with Charlie Austin'


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 12:11:48
'Zav is an absolute teddy bear and we'll shortly be announcing the signing of Pakistan's version of Mo Salah to play up front next season with Charlie Austin'

You forgot the addition in the more detailed section:

"Who will be under 18 to ensure his siblings and parents, maybe also grand parents, can all purchase sufficient legal advice and consultancy to obtain trailing family type Visa's, to keep our new star from being too homesick, of course."


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 13:34:03
The silence from the club is deafening (bar a couple of paragraphs in the program, which unless it was shared on sm nobody would have seen).  It would be nice for the Trust to be pushing for some info for the fans, even just a few bullet points to give us some encouragement.

I know some would renew whatever, but to at least give those that are wavering an idea of what they are being asked to shell out the £'s for, surely it makes sense.

It's almost like the clubs hierachy are in off season mode already.  It's great saying that you got it wrong this year, how about telling us the steps that you are taking to fix it for next..  give us something FFS..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 13:46:17
The only other (slightly more) acceptable thing I can think of Bernie is that there are things being done in the background that take time, and they'll start talking when they do.

But surely they could say that? Unless its gone legal.

I'm filling in blanks to convince myself there isn't mad panic crisis management going on.

I may have accidentally started a CT: They're waiting for the early bird to finish before giving all the good news. THIS WAS A JOKE*

* or was it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 13:49:01
The silence from the club is deafening (bar a couple of paragraphs in the program, which unless it was shared on sm nobody would have seen).  It would be nice for the Trust to be pushing for some info for the fans, even just a few bullet points to give us some encouragement.

I know some would renew whatever, but to at least give those that are wavering an idea of what they are being asked to shell out the £'s for, surely it makes sense.

It's almost like the clubs hierachy are in off season mode already.  It's great saying that you got it wrong this year, how about telling us the steps that you are taking to fix it for next..  give us something FFS..

Agreed, but forget everything about the club for a brief moment and just consider the season ticket marketing campaign in isolation. It is an absolute shambles. Zero effort to create excitement or explain why fans should be buying. Official comms should be part of that but the whole thing has been rank amateur hour. Given what it is worth to the club, get an external agency in as consultants if you don't know what you are doing. Appreciate it is harder when the team aren't flying but it is still perfectly possible.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 13:51:10
Unless they are putting a plan in place before hitting the marketing assault.

But I suspect your analysis is right Mooneyraker.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 13:55:22
Unless they are putting a plan in place before hitting the marketing assault.

But I suspect your analysis is right Mooneyraker.

The drop off if you don't convert on the initial announcement is normally massive. Obviously football is unique in that a major signing/change of management can swing the pendulum but it is very hard to recover from a slow start. Previously we publicised sales in the AB minutes. It will be interesting to see if we do this year.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 13:57:58
The only other (slightly more) acceptable thing I can think of Bernie is that there are things being done in the background that take time, and they'll start talking when they do.

But surely they could say that? Unless its gone legal.

I'm filling in blanks to convince myself there isn't mad panic crisis management going on.

I may have accidentally started a CT: They're waiting for the early bird to finish before giving all the good news. THIS WAS A JOKE*

* or was it.


They don't have to give us all of the details and nitty gritty, just high level would suffice at the moment, just SPEAK, that's all we are asking for.

Very few fans have any interest in the club at the moment after watching utter turgid shit all season, just give them something to be interested about for next season, not even asking for excitment at this stage.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 14:11:44
You both speak sense. FWIW I agree, just trying to rationalise as, not for the first time, it makes no sense.
 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 15:32:17
Just a quick update post AB last week.
Lots of work to improve the communication around the questioning and make the AB pack better and clearer, as well as provide more detailed responses has occurred. Think the club have had lots of feedback and they have tried to make the necessary changes. The business plan is also in there that is long overdue, as well as further information that has been requested from fans. I believe the AB pack for April will be uploaded later this week. Its a big step forward in my view. Be keen to hear feedback once released. Anything anyone feels should be further improved I am happy to take to the next AB.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 15:41:34
Thanks for the update.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, April 18, 2023, 18:34:35
Feedback meant in the right spirit, but that kind of update should be one the club shared via official channels


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:42:54
ab minutes out

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/town-release-advisory-board-minutes-for-april/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:46:35
ab minutes out

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/town-release-advisory-board-minutes-for-april/

Oooh a note from Rob Angus, a nice start!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:51:58
Regarding Zav

Quote
Clem was very thankful to Zav for the role he played in helping Clem take stewardship of the Club and promised the role of Vice Chairman. Clem was unaware of the stringent rules in place via the Owners and Directors Test. After legal advice we did not apply for the Owners and Directors Test and therefore Zav is not Vice Chairman. However, Zav will continue to attend on match days as a guest of the Club given his critical support in helping Clem take control of the Club.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:55:41
Only 1100 season tickets sold so far must be a real concern.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:56:13
Regarding Zav

Bit of an own goal and backtrack there, they said he had been submitted for it…


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:57:34
Regarding Zav

Well, that's clearish. Believe it or don't.

Actually I'm still none the wiser to who does what in Clem's absence.
--
Personally would rather be shot of anyone controversial/here from the Power era.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:58:09
Only 1100 season tickets sold so far must be a real concern.

Not exactly flying off the shelves.

Quote
"To add to this, we have been experiencing slow sales of season tickets, which is a concern as it will ultimately impact the financial stability of the club"

Well, what are you going to do to address the issues (not read it all yet!).


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:58:19
Having read most of the pack, I think this is a big step forward in terms of presentation and clarity. It does certainly make clear a few areas where the full truth does not appear to have been told previously e.g. on Zav, but better late than never.

If Zav was never applied to be vice chairman, they spent a long time advertising him as such considering...

And the Kiely question was pretty firmly dodged.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 10:58:28
Bit of an own goal and backtrack there, they said he had been submitted for it…

Yes, completely, and he’s been down as vice chairman up till about 6 weeks ago, so something doesn’t add up there. That’s 18+ months he was listed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:00:57
Having read most of the pack, I think this is a big step forward in terms of presentation and clarity. It does certainly make clear a few areas where the full truth does not appear to have been told previously e.g. on Zav, but better late than never.

I agree, it's definitely a huge improvement.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:01:26
We’re the club always committing to putting half the annual rent cost into the JV for the ground?? I had thought it was the full amount


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:09:39
Having read most of the pack, I think this is a big step forward in terms of presentation and clarity. It does certainly make clear a few areas where the full truth does not appear to have been told previously e.g. on Zav, but better late than never.

If Zav was never applied to be vice chairman, they spent a long time advertising him as such considering...

And the Kiely question was pretty firmly dodged.

Pretty much this, its closed some doors but in doing so opened plenty more for the perpetually outraged.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:11:18
That Kiely “answer” might as well have not been in there.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:12:22
It's a good format change. I like the plan set out and explanations of what we are doing.

Things I've noted, these are honest (which is good) but also concerning:

- Slow season ticket sales
"C1.1k season ticket sales to date"
"Further activities required to promote season ticket sales"

- Planned breakeven (fully by 2025)
"Maintain current season ticket levels and work to deliver c£500k in efficiencies so that we can become sustainable " - this is now - April 2023
"To give you an indication, income this season has been around £6m but outgoings have been closer to £6.75m"


The slide deck is a massive improvement over previous format. It is providing a lot of the information I hoped to see.

The club do need some actions for next season (ST sales) to go with the words. The worry is fans won't invest until they see proof of change, and the club can't invest until the ST money is in. Deadlock.




Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:13:25
We’re the club always committing to putting half the annual rent cost into the JV for the ground?? I had thought it was the full amount

Half to ground improvements, half discounted. I think that's been the case for a fair while.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:14:05
Fair do’s


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:17:38
Interesting on Zav. No choice other than to take it at face value really although plenty of historical statements now don't add up. Where does it leave Karachi if he just 'attends on matchdays as a guest'?

Season tickets are the most concerning element by far in the short/medium term.

They need to extent the early bird window and relaunch the whole campaign. Total shitshow.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:19:37
Half to ground improvements, half discounted. I think that's been the case for a fair while.

I assume as well, in very general terms if the rent was £200k and they own 50% of the ground via the JV anyway they would essentially be paying themselves the other £100k?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:19:54
Season tickets are the most concerning element by far in the short/medium term.

+ 500k cutbacks


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:20:28
I assume as well, in very general terms if the rent was £200k and they own 50% of the ground via the JV anyway they would essentially be paying themselves the other £100k?

In other words they pay £100k instead of £200k. Same difference.

I guess that the £100K is ring fenced for ground improvements is significant. But I would imagine the club was forking that out anyway - so good its funded from "rent" rather than additional cost.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:25:40
+ 500k cutbacks

Looking at the roadmap thingy, is getting up to L1 going to immediately bring in the additional £2m income needed to cover that??

There is no easy answers, we already appear to be 500k a year down on what we need to break even so if ST revenues drop either the budgets have to be cut accordingly or the owner is going to have to fund the shortfall?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:26:44
Credit it where its due, some actual probing questions are being included so thanks to the Trust for at least asking the questions.

The talk of early signings sound great- lets see it, and extend the early bird window until said signings have been made then you will get a flurry of renewals. Given the recruitment this year, for many (myself included) there is a feeling that the club cant be trusted to spend the renewal money wisely so we need to see some intent shown by the club first before we part with our cash.

Zav answer is bizarre, he has been addressed as VC many times and they said they had already applied so it doesn’t add up but whatever- hopefully they wont try and pull any fast ones like this again (not confident).

Kiely and Sandro questions ducked like an elected politician!  

Not a fan of the begging for trades people to do work for free as is implied, we’re a professional football club not a pub team- act like it.


Good that some objectives have finally been announced.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:36:23
Yes, credit and thanks to the Trust for asking the questions and for the new much improved format.

The questions must have been a pretty uncomfortable listen for Clem and Aberdeen, and rightfully so.

As an aside, can someone wash the sand out of the vagina of whoever complained about Morris referring to fans as 'punters'?! What a precious prick that bloke must be.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:44:43
Looking at the roadmap thingy, is getting up to L1 going to immediately bring in the additional £2m income needed to cover that??

There is no easy answers, we already appear to be 500k a year down on what we need to break even so if ST revenues drop either the budgets have to be cut accordingly or the owner is going to have to fund the shortfall?

Unless we can get some sponsors in. Have we got anything left to sponsor?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:52:53

Not a fan of the begging for trades people to do work for free as is implied, we’re a professional football club not a pub team- act like it.


As we are already running at a £500k PA loss there is only a finite amount of money to go round, its not ideal but its what it is.

Unless we can get some sponsors in. Have we got anything left to sponsor?  :hmmm:

Is the ground still the 'Energy Check' or whatever it was/is? If not that seems to be one area of sponsorship that we are lacking which is strange as they seem to have been shit hot on all the rest?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:57:09
There will soon be an opportunity for someone to sponsor The Lipstick on a Pig Stratton Bank.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:59:05
The Claire's Accessories Glitter-on-a-Turd Stratton Bank


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 12:08:06
Yes, credit and thanks to the Trust for asking the questions and for the new much improved format.

The questions must have been a pretty uncomfortable listen for Clem and Aberdeen, and rightfully so.

As an aside, can someone wash the sand out of the vagina of whoever complained about Morris referring to fans as 'punters'?! What a precious prick that bloke must be.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 12:21:07
Yes, credit and thanks to the Trust for asking the questions and for the new much improved format.

The questions must have been a pretty uncomfortable listen for Clem and Aberdeen, and rightfully so.

As an aside, can someone wash the sand out of the vagina of whoever complained about Morris referring to fans as 'punters'?! What a
precious prick that bloke must be.

Or the conviction and due dilligence one?!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 12:35:49
i could probably pen a far too long response to the new and improved meeting notes, but that would be a little unfair given someone has put some effort in here.

B for effort

The actual content is a mish mash - some good starting points, generally good to see a club giving any sort of insight, but it's well short of what is really needed here.  For example, I sure as hell hope the internal version is a lot more comprehensive - on the face of it, we are going to hope some ground improvements and transfer magic get us promoted and increase revenue by 50%.  There is a lot of wishy washy stuff in that, very non-committal and some great body swerving around any of the tricky questions.  I fully appreciate that nobody is going to come out and say that Di Michelle is being burned at the stake in front of a paying audience (raising income and solving a problem).  However, the only response to any hint of poor performance and bad recruitment activity is that we will try and do better.  The Academy stuff is fluff - someone needs to take them to Crewe, see what it takes to get to that kind of near Elite level, the infrastructure and staffing involved.  Some scaffolding, donated, is not going to change the game.  The Football Operations side of the equation is a mess and a million miles away from what is needed (on the face of it).

Anyway, i said I wouldn't go on!  Also give them a B for intent.  E- for Execution (which is a theme).


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 13:05:03
I like the idea of involving fans that have got trade's in the improvement of the stadium, there will be some that can donate their time for free, and I'm sure there may be others that can do a deal with stfc for their time if significant like for e.g. free matchday tickets for reduced cost ST etc etc, it all helps the club keeps costs down and for fan's to help with improving the CG.

I see someone mention its the club trying to do things on the cheap, but why not if they can save costs, then money not used can be used elsewhere.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 13:34:30
Looking at the roadmap thingy, is getting up to L1 going to immediately bring in the additional £2m income needed to cover that??

There is no easy answers, we already appear to be 500k a year down on what we need to break even so if ST revenues drop either the budgets have to be cut accordingly or the owner is going to have to fund the shortfall?

I think the plan for the additional £2m includes promotion to league 1, additional ST and ticket sales, use of "some" potentionally redevloped improvements (i.e. corporate boxes in the DRS) along with potentially having the availability of opening the SB more once we have a roof there..

I have no insider info, just my thoughts based on reading the report.  I agree it will be a hard push to get to an additional £2m revenue based on what they are able to do though, especially if they don't get a successful product on the pitch.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 14:41:07

As an aside, can someone wash the sand out of the vagina of whoever complained about Morris referring to fans as 'punters'?! What a precious prick that bloke must be.

Agree. Get a grip whoever that was.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 14:47:56
Agree. Get a grip whoever that was.

it's precisely why having a well functioning Trust is important - with well over 10k people who attend games off an on over a season, you are going to get some pretty asinine shit handed over.  I'm not really a fan of fans forums or phone ins for that very reason.  I'm not saying those people are not entitled to an opinion, or to submit questions, just that it would be good to have an organisation that can compile that into some semblance of a decent Q&A session for the club management team.  Also, to be able to understand the underlying themes and press on a subject rather than have basic Q and basic A all the time.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 14:54:51
it's precisely why having a well functioning Trust is important - with well over 10k people who attend games off an on over a season, you are going to get some pretty asinine shit handed over.  I'm not really a fan of fans forums or phone ins for that very reason.  I'm not saying those people are not entitled to an opinion, or to submit questions, just that it would be good to have an organisation that can compile that into some semblance of a decent Q&A session for the club management team.  Also, to be able to understand the underlying themes and press on a subject rather than have basic Q and basic A all the time.

Exactly this. It muddies the waters when there are pertinent questions about Keily not being answered and you're getting absolute bollocks being put forward. Its distracting and time wasting.

Whoever asked that question if you're on here I implore you to give your head a wobble. 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 15:03:13
Exactly this. It muddies the waters when there are pertinent questions about Keily not being answered and you're getting absolute bollocks being put forward. Its distracting and time wasting.

Whoever asked that question if you're on here I implore you to give your head a wobble. 

Proper Parish Council wanker behaviour. Exhausting.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 16:11:37
The look of the pdf was great so kudos to whichever media intern produced it. In all seriousness it was very nice. One minor note though, the roadmap was a bit odd in that it ''charting'' of it's route looked a bit like a slowly depreciating asset....start higher on the left and ends lower on the right...maybe do a quick update but as I say it was minor but made i chuckle.

Much of what I was going to write mirrors pretty much everything RobT said so unless I plagiarise his post then there is little point in writing it.

There were a lot of political answers in there that never really answered the actual questions and some were totally ignored. If by ''transparent'' STFC think we mean that we can see right through them then objective complete  ;)


#SandyVagina


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 17:48:11
Our model is to find players, develop and sell on. Yet that doesn’t get mentioned once in the plan.
I expected to see reinvestment mentioned.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 17:56:25
I applaud the fact we publish this kind of information, when many clubs don’t. I also genuinely believe that the CEO and Owner are doing everything in their power, with what seem to be limited resources, to improve the club.

But… I don’t entirely understand why we seem to be so ahead of the competition in this league when it comes to ticket revenue, but so behind on talent on the pitch (especially in terms of quality) and off it (in terms of numbers) that some clubs seem to be. The Zavier Austin response is also evasive. It does not answer the question as to what his role is and whether and to what extent he has a financial interest in the club. He may not have an official title, but he has for some time held himself out as a club official (at least, in Pakistan), so his presence is still concerning. The EFL won’t allow him to be a director due to his history of laundering drug money, but yet we are quite content allow him to have a board level presence / active role. I suppose beggars cannot be choosers. If the owner wants him here, or has been told by others that he must be here, we’re stuck with it. Well done to those probing, but without an alternative, maybe it just needs to be left alone. Reluctantly.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 18:14:12
I’m sure the club didn’t deliberately recruit poor players. Don’t forget we’ve gone from a squad heavily reliant on loan signings, to paying fees for players on contracts longer than 1 year. That doesn’t come cheap.

We aren’t cheapskate, we obviously aren’t skint. Forget Morris’ current lack of success, he wouldn’t have come cheap either - and, I’m presuming, a promise of a decent budget.

Thus season’s disaster is purely down to poor decisions throughout the club.


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 18:44:56
"obviously aren't skint" is fairly subjective. we rely on Clem. the club itself is brassic and loss making. Clem reaches a limit, we are up against it.
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The club can't really say more about Austin can they? it's against league rules to act as a significant person without passing the relevant tests.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 18:56:33
This £500k in required efficiencies seems to exactly mirror the £500k we made from the Man City game and Cup run last year.

On that basis, how was Lindsey allowed to get away with essentially throwing the League Cup game? You are literally one game away from a big cup tie in that competition that could have paid us a decent six figure sum. How un-joined up is our footballing operation that he wasn't told that we had to be competitive in that game as the club's finances might rely on it? And if they really were so unfit that they couldn't play two games in a week in August, then he should have been sacked on the spot anyway.

It still boils my piss. As a reminder, we started Minturn, Harries, Cowmeadow, Aguiar and Parsons.

A proper preseason is an absolute must this year. Insane that should have to be a comment of a professional football club but it seems we are where we are.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:22:19
I’m sure the club didn’t deliberately recruit poor players. Don’t forget we’ve gone from a squad heavily reliant on loan signings, to paying fees for players on contracts longer than 1 year. That doesn’t come cheap.

We aren’t cheapskate, we obviously aren’t skint. Forget Morris’ current lack of success, he wouldn’t have come cheap either - and, I’m presuming, a promise of a decent budget.

Thus season’s disaster is purely down to poor decisions throughout the club.

A tragic combination of poor infrastructure (not just physical assets), lack of experience (know how, not just on the field) and poor execution.  The first two set-up the last one for an open own goal.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:25:37
As a comparison last season under Garner was a fantastic achievement.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:28:45
This £500k in required efficiencies seems to exactly mirror the £500k we made from the Man City game and Cup run last year.

On that basis, how was Lindsey allowed to get away with essentially throwing the League Cup game? You are literally one game away from a big cup tie in that competition that could have paid us a decent six figure sum. How un-joined up is our footballing operation that he wasn't told that we had to be competitive in that game as the club's finances might rely on it? And if they really were so unfit that they couldn't play two games in a week in August, then he should have been sacked on the spot anyway.

It still boils my piss. As a reminder, we started Minturn, Harries, Cowmeadow, Aguiar and Parsons.

A proper preseason is an absolute must this year. Insane that should have to be a comment of a professional football club but it seems we are where we are.

£340,000


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:31:45
£340,000

I'm quoting the latest Advisory Board:

"Last season was incredible on the pitch, as we had c£500k
unplanned income from the Manchester City match and season
tickets and other matchday revenues have been consistently high
since the takeover."

"Maintain current season ticket
levels and work to deliver
c£500k in efficiencies so that we
can become sustainable."


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:36:36
The 300k number was the profit from the game, after the increased running costs.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:37:23
I feel we are rather dancing around the point I was making!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:43:36
I’m surprised more isn’t being made of the Zav thing to be honest.

Something about that doesn’t add up, what is the real reason you keep a convicted fraudster around the club?
The club/Clem are hiding something there, and I think the Trust either know more, of aren’t pushing for answers for a reason.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:48:42
The whole thing is at least sus quagmire. Ditto Hart. Ditto Keily. possibly even Standing.

ok the trust could push it, but I'm not sure what else to say.

the club aren't going to volunteer more.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 19:56:33
I just think we were told he was being appointed vice chairman the day Clem came in, and the fit and proper persons test would be done.
He’s been listed as vice chairman ever since, on club website, in programmes, in advisory board notes, he was even on Sky Sports the other month talking about the Karachi thing, and introduced as vice chairman.

Last month we were told there were legal proceedings regarding the F & P, and now this month, Clem didn’t realise one was needed and he’s no longer vice chairman.

None of it adds up, something is fishy and something is being hidden.

Also, what the fuck will happen with Karachi now, something he was supposedly funding himself, but using the clubs name. A club he is now no longer anything other than a ‘match day guest’


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:00:32
I’m surprised more isn’t being made of the Zav thing to be honest.

Something about that doesn’t add up, what is the real reason you keep a convicted fraudster around the club?
The club/Clem are hiding something there, and I think the Trust either know more, of aren’t pushing for answers for a reason.

On paper you could say the initial story is plausible. Two co-investors find out that they are being shafted and help each other through the process of ejecting the 'shafter', with the majority investor promising his newfound ally a cushy place on the board if it all works out, without realising about their past as a multi million pound drugs money launderer.

The reality is it stinks of bullshit.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:04:16
I'm quoting the latest Advisory Board:

"Last season was incredible on the pitch, as we had c£500k
unplanned income from the Manchester City match and season
tickets and other matchday revenues have been consistently high
since the takeover."

"Maintain current season ticket
levels and work to deliver
c£500k in efficiencies so that we
can become sustainable."

I’m quoting Aberdeen. A few months after the game. May have been an AB statement.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:05:36
I’m quoting Aberdeen. A few months after the game. May have been an AB statement.

Nuances of the amount aside, my point was more why Lindsey was allowed to torpedo a repeat cup run.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:06:25
Nuances of the amount aside, my point was more why Lindsey was allowed to torpedo a repeat cup run.

More to the point, torpedo a whole season.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:26:12
Interesting question that... I remember listening to a Morfuni interview when he was asked about a possible transfer at the very start of the season.
He was in a SUV at Brisbane Airport I think.
His answer was...basically not my decision . Others have given them a budget and over to them
Almost washing his hands of the playing side of the business of running a football club.
Reports of his management style of said plumbing business are he is over everything like a rash.
Could be a load of bullocks, but seemed others were given total responsibility to get promoted 🤔
.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:35:03
He described himself as a hands off owner when he originally took over I believe, I think certainly his preference would be to appoint people to take the day to day decisions. Whether or not he trusts the people currently in post sufficiently I simply couldn't say.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:43:23
Trust is a big word with so many shady people hanging  around STFC over the last 20 years.
No... I just got the feeling others were charged with this responsibility as in separate


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:44:41
Could be total bollocks


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:51:02
I don't mind Clem handing over responsibility of football side. it's necessary.

Not sure who came up with who they hand handed over to, and who came up with "the model". so far so bad


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 20:53:58
I wasn’t sure if I was being too harsh with my initial thoughts on these recent board minutes as whilst they do make a big step in the right direction in some areas, they also raise more questions than answer them in other areas.

To my gut feeling, the Zav and Kiely answers give a funny smell based on the contradictions in them to what we’ve already been told but as someone with 0 idea of the actual goings on behind the club and little ability to press to find out more, I’m resigned to having to take those answers and hope they’re all okay.

This is where having an entity that could press on these matters further and mention these contradictions in rebuttal would be useful but maybe these things are going on already and I don’t want to be too harsh.

All in all, just wish we were in a position where were fully clean of the old regime and we didn’t have to constantly check our alarm bells for something potentially being off. As that’s where a lot of the questioning comes from, fear of being burned like we have before.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 21:41:04
On paper you could say the initial story is plausible. Two co-investors find out that they are being shafted and help each other through the process of ejecting the 'shafter', with the majority investor promising his newfound ally a cushy place on the board if it all works out, without realising about their past as a multi million pound drugs money launderer.

The reality is it stinks of bullshit.

I'm pretty sure Zav has never put any money into the club, so your description as 'co-investors' is a bit off.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 21:52:50
I'm pretty sure Zav has never put any money into the club, so your description as 'co-investors' is a bit off.


Hope not. We’d be super fucked if he has/had done so though wouldn’t we seeing as he would never pass the fit and proper persons test.

Fact is, he’s been our vice chair, lauding it all up, leading the operation whilst Clem is in Aus and lapping it up in Karachi as Swindon town vice chairman looking for the next big star in Karachi……  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 23:06:59


To my gut feeling, the Zav and Kiely answers give a funny smell based on the contradictions in them to what we’ve already been told but as someone with 0 idea of the actual goings on behind the club and little ability to press to find out more, I’m resigned to having to take those answers and hope they’re all okay.

Think that's where most of us are TBH.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 07:43:02
One thing people can do is continue to submit questions for the AB and, if they do, may I suggest that a more concise question may be harder to dodge. The Kiely point was buried in this word salad, and wasn't even posed as a direct question, hence the lack of answer:

"There are a lot of rumours and certainly there's something not quite right in the boardroom/football
management side. With regards to the club setting out season tickets for next year I feel that Chris Kiely and this
MPS data company should make clear just what role they have to play. It's glaringly obvious all is not well and the
silence from Clem, Zav, Sandro doesn't alleviate any fears. The Trust and us fans have all joined together for the
good of the club going forward but there's a cloud hanging over the County Ground.
Can we get some kind of honesty from the Club?. I've been a trust member from day one and defended you
vehemently but there's some nagging doubt bugging a lot of us. Please try to get some clarification and not just
piecemeal actual statements. ."


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 07:51:33
It's good that all the individual points have been put to the club. However, rather than copying and pasting emails maybe the trust and official supporters club could collate the comments and then pose the questions in a concise way at the next AB. If they keep to this approach and hundreds of questions come in the next set of notes could be a v. long read.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 07:58:11
One thing people can do is continue to submit questions for the AB and, if they do, may I suggest that a more concise question may be harder to dodge. The Kiely point was buried in this word salad, and wasn't even posed as a direct question, hence the lack of answer:

"There are a lot of rumours and certainly there's something not quite right in the boardroom/football
management side. With regards to the club setting out season tickets for next year I feel that Chris Kiely and this
MPS data company should make clear just what role they have to play. It's glaringly obvious all is not well and the
silence from Clem, Zav, Sandro doesn't alleviate any fears. The Trust and us fans have all joined together for the
good of the club going forward but there's a cloud hanging over the County Ground.
Can we get some kind of honesty from the Club?. I've been a trust member from day one and defended you
vehemently but there's some nagging doubt bugging a lot of us. Please try to get some clarification and not just
piecemeal actual statements. ."

With what end goal? I don’t like any individuals with a criminal past being associated with the club either, but there is not a queue of people waiting to take on this loss making business. Perhaps what we have is the best we can currently hope for. We’ve a CEO to act as a check on the dealings going on, with help from a more involved Trust. That’s their role really, isn’t it? Making sure Austin and Hart (and Standing?) don’t take us back to the Power times.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 08:05:20
With what end goal? I don’t like any individuals with a criminal past being associated with the club either, but there is not a queue of people waiting to take on this loss making business. Perhaps what we have is the best we can currently hope for. We’ve a CEO to act as a check on the dealings going on, with help from a more involved Trust. That’s their role really, isn’t it? Making sure Austin and Hart (and Standing?) don’t take us back to the Power times.

The point I'm making is if there are people who would like questions answered for whatever reason (such as Mr T. Osser of Sandy Vagina Avenue), then they should at least form them in a way that is likely to illicit an answer!

To your point, the rod that the current regime have made for their own back is that they've trumpeted openness and transparency from the get go and then been anything but. I'd have more respect for them if, upon the takeover, they'd said "going forward there are going to be a shadowy cabal running this club but as long as things are okay on the pitch then don't ask any questions, capeesh?!"


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 08:28:55
The point I'm making is if there are people who would like questions answered for whatever reason (such as Mr T. Osser of Sandy Vagina Avenue), then they should at least form them in a way that is likely to illicit an answer!

To your point, the rod that the current regime have made for their own back is that they've trumpeted openness and transparency from the get go and then been anything but. I'd have more respect for them if, upon the takeover, they'd said "going forward there are going to be a shadowy cabal running this club but as long as things are okay on the pitch then don't ask any questions, capeesh?!"

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that Clem/Rob haven't been open, they have explained many times the different people involved and answered questions, while having an AB (which isn't perfect though), finance details given.

The issue people have is that they still do things that some fans don't want or don't go into the level of detail that people want and some times that would adversely impact the club e.g. what is our budget for the season.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 08:32:52
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that Clem/Rob haven't been open, they have explained many times the different people involved and answered questions, while having an AB (which isn't perfect though), finance details given.

The issue people have is that they still do things that some fans don't want or don't go into the level of detail that people want and some times that would adversely impact the club e.g. what is our budget for the season.

The issue for me as some have alluded to, is that who is handling the footballing side of things when Clem is away? The initial message was that Austin was brought in to cover that, but if he's not around then who's in charge? Sandro?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 08:42:04
it's also that other than Austin and Sandro most of those involved were found by accident or by names appearing in the programme.

Does open and transparent extend to telling us who is who?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 08:45:57
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that Clem/Rob haven't been open, they have explained many times the different people involved and answered questions, while having an AB (which isn't perfect though), finance details given.

The issue people have is that they still do things that some fans don't want or don't go into the level of detail that people want and some times that would adversely impact the club e.g. what is our budget for the season.

running to protect the trust/board as per usual. They haven’t been open at all. Clem we never hear from, at all, lets others run the club (which is fine if they have competency) but they clearly don’t. Zav Austin and Sandro been running this club clearly along with whoever else… Chris Kiely isn’t it? He’s another unofficial one. You talk about it being unfair to say they ain’t been open- we’ve had someone parading round with the tittle of Vice chairman for 18 months. 18 months they say he’s still at club but not VC, and hasn’t taken a Fit and proper persons test due to “legal advice”. That legal advice being he’d comprehensively fail one. The AB up to date has been a shambles. Pure tick box. New layout was refreshing and it needs to stay that way, and ensure all questions are answered properly and not swerved (how the CK one was in yesterdays mins).

Majority of us couldn’t give a fuck what the exact figure/number our budget is- just show us evidence that’s there’s intent and ambition - we haven’t seen that this season- instead we’ve seen our  most experienced players go and not replaced.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 08:49:50
The issue for me as some have alluded to, is that who is handling the footballing side of things when Clem is away? The initial message was that Austin was brought in to cover that, but if he's not around then who's in charge? Sandro?  :hmmm:

I think Clem gives Rob the budget, Sandro, scouts identify players, Morris decides on the players (in consultation with Sandro), Rob says either here is the money or we can’t afford said player. I think judging by recent communications Sandro’s role may have been reigned in. That’s how I see it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 08:54:23
One thing niggling me a little bit is the confidence from Rob Angus that we will be able to provide a healthy promotion winning budget for next season when but our current season ticket sales are currently low. (circa 1.1k so far) I'm assuming that our budget next season has to be increased to do so, but if season tickets are down (let's say we only shift 3k of them) is that going to be feasible given we are also looking to run sustainably?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lardy Cake on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 09:08:12
I think the recent posts above really are the nub of the issue we as supporters have with the club at the moment. To me there is no transparency if we as supporters are asking such fundamental questions as to who is actually running our club ? I agree that something Isn’t right and it needs to be fixed asap. It’s all very well for Rob Angus to try and rally support for next season but a huge opportunity was missed this year and I really can’t see things being any different next.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 09:08:26
Whats happening at the moment is questions are asked, and they arent answered. its all well and good saying we asked the question but what are the Trust actually doing to ensure the shady characters are not involved? let me guess, the questions are being asked but in private.  :zzz: why private? if the club are serious about openness and transparency every single person involved should be listed and their actual involvement detailed.  


Who is Chris Kiely and what is their involvement in the club?

We never get straight answers. Looking forward to the fans forum, although im sure it will be answered in a similar fashion of let us take this offline and get back to you. blah blah fucking blah


Regarding budget- we will match or even improve our attendances this season if they put together a competent team. simple as that. All this fan blaming oh you didnt back us so we had to cut our cloth, bollocks. Build it and we will come. Put out something like this season and get used to 5k crowds.


Zav- look at Birmingham recently getting punished for having 'relevant persons' involved without approval. This guy has been lording if up on Sky Sports as Vice Chairman and now you are trying to tell us oh nah thats a mistake, he never was. Wouldnt be surpised if we get the book thrown at us too.
How can Clem (having recently passed the Fit and Proper test himself ahead of the takeover), not of known Zav would have failed? We're being bare faced lied to. The *Trust* has been broken- why should we believe a single word we're told now?



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 09:11:12
How much are we spending on lawyers fees if it is taking 18 months to work out if someone with Austin's past would fail a FPP test?!

I'd be happy to 'volunteer' my time for free in future. 5 mins on Google told me he wasn't going to pass.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 09:19:43
One thing niggling me a little bit is the confidence from Rob Angus that we will be able to provide a healthy promotion winning budget for next season when but our current season ticket sales are currently low. (circa 1.1k so far) I'm assuming that our budget next season has to be increased to do so, but if season tickets are down (let's say we only shift 3k of them) is that going to be feasible given we are also looking to run sustainably?

One would assume either Clem will whack more money in or seek third party investment, ultimately its up to Clem to reveal whether or not there is third party money in the club and assuming the requirements of Companies House and/or the FA/FA are met needs to report no further than that.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:22:40
running to protect the trust/board as per usual. They haven’t been open at all. Clem we never hear from, at all, lets others run the club (which is fine if they have competency) but they clearly don’t. Zav Austin and Sandro been running this club clearly along with whoever else… Chris Kiely isn’t it? He’s another unofficial one. You talk about it being unfair to say they ain’t been open- we’ve had someone parading round with the tittle of Vice chairman for 18 months. 18 months they say he’s still at club but not VC, and hasn’t taken a Fit and proper persons test due to “legal advice”. That legal advice being he’d comprehensively fail one. The AB up to date has been a shambles. Pure tick box. New layout was refreshing and it needs to stay that way, and ensure all questions are answered properly and not swerved (how the CK one was in yesterdays mins).

Majority of us couldn’t give a fuck what the exact figure/number our budget is- just show us evidence that’s there’s intent and ambition - we haven’t seen that this season- instead we’ve seen our  most experienced players go and not replaced.

I didn't say anything about the Trust?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:58:48
The answer provided on Zav is just plain odd - it's the one that made me suggest the Trust needs to do a different job here rather than it being a basic questions that receive prepped answers.

The guy has been turning up a the AB meeting, appearing in the press and generally parading as the Vice Chair - a title he was given publicly.  Quite clearly, that is not a guy who is just rocking up to watch the games as a friend.  If you were in the room when that answer was received, you'd spit your cup of tea out, sit up and spend the next 30 minutes grilling them.

I am not suggesting we will "get our way" - Clem can do what the fuck he likes.

We can however form judgements based on what answers we receive.  Right now I'd be loathe to trust a single answer based on the Zav one - going to spend a top 7 budget, are we though, really?  I actually assume we will, but you can see why some fans may not believe them,  You can see why some would start all sorts of conspiracy theories.  You can see why some would not want to part with the hard earned cash for a season ticket based on the evidence of the current season and such obvious "lies".

Anyway, my bigger bone of contention was more that nothing in the broader stuff - the vision, targets etc. gave me much confidence that a comprehensive operational plan is in place.  All the visual evidence suggests a club that isn't investing the basics, doesn't really have a master plan in place for the ground, doesn't seem to know how they will improve the club.  I commend the work done to right the ship, we've plugged some major holes in the hull, but we've put a bunch of cadets in charge and forgot to buy the sails, or an engine.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 12:19:21
With regard to Zav I wonder if it's a case of the EFL having a quiet word & saying look just remove any references that point to him being a Relevant Person or there will be consequences.

Maybe a memo went round to all clubs when the Birmingham & Peterbrough sanctions were upcoming.

In any situation there is always merit in saying sorry, I or we fucked up on this occasion.
It would be worthy of some respect.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 12:36:11
With regard to Zav I wonder if it's a case of the EFL having a quiet word & saying look just remove any references that point to him being a Relevant Person or there will be consequences.


I know he was titled as this that and the other, but as there any evidence that he had any substantive say in the running of the club, Angus has always seemed to be the right hand to Clem in that effect.

I have worked in companies and with countless clients over the years where people have very grand titles and appear important, but when you get inside you realise that despite this public impression they have fuck all say in anything and its just mainly either repaying a favour by making them appear/sound important (often when they aren't being paid as per Austin) or just massaging a fragile ego (albeit at that level its normally a relative)?

In any situation there is always merit in saying sorry, I or we fucked up on this occasion.
It would be worthy of some respect.

Yep.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 12:59:34
He has been at pretty much every AB meeting and often answers the questions - which suggests he has a close relationship to the day to day.  Clem described him as another set of eyes an ears for him up until this recent change.  The answers in the AB themselves gave the impression he was still pursuing clearance from the EFL until this recent AB meeting, which you would not be doing for a mate in the stands.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:03:39
I'd like to see the club provide a who's who at stfc from the tea lady up to Rob & Clem, there appears to be several roles at the club with people either filling in or doing dual jobs, like for eg club secretary, this is an important role but I believe they have someone from the foundation filling in.

Surely important roles should be someone doing the job full time not trying to do 2 roles or just filling in.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:05:15
He has been at pretty much every AB meeting and often answers the questions - which suggests he has a close relationship to the day to day.  Clem described him as another set of eyes an ears for him up until this recent change.  The answers in the AB themselves gave the impression he was still pursuing clearance from the EFL until this recent AB meeting, which you would not be doing for a mate in the stands.

How do you know he answers questions as AB meeting's ? are you invited ? agreed he should not have been invited if his role is something to do with being in a suite on matchdays and no more.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:06:56
Anyone know why there is a big emergency generator supplying power to the stadium? Something to do with a safety audit according to rumours on twitter?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:11:31
Anyone know why there is a big emergency generator supplying power to the stadium? Something to do with a safety audit according to rumours on twitter?

There was mention of something re Power (not him!!) in the AB minutes the other day...

Edit - Here you go...

'We inherited an aging and neglected stadium and numerous issues have recently been identified. These include the back up power for the stadium, where last week we invested c£30k in Interim generators that will be in place for the rest of the season while longer term solutions are identified and put in place.

A health and safety audit was also conducted last month, which the club passed but with actions to follow up on, and an action plan on dealing with historic issues is being put together. Unfortunately, this will require further significant investment.'


Reading the nudge nudge wink wink comments on Twitter just adds weight to the suspicion that whatever the club send out people either don't actually fucking read it or just choose to ignore it if it doesn't suit their ingrained narrative.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:12:10
Its because for safety purposes the club need backup power for the ground, and CCTV to ensure that should there be a power cut they have a backup power source.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:17:47
Did they not have any before then? Is this a new thing?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:18:55
Did they not have any before then? Is this a new thing?

Yes, as in this.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:39:57
Its because for safety purposes the club need backup power for the ground, and CCTV to ensure that should there be a power cut they have a backup power source.

RA and Clem were told of this issue on multiple occasions.

The emergency generator costs £3k a week which is why they are begging for ST money.

James .... Is it true the capacity is capped at 70%?

This and the constant begging for volunteers is embarrassing. If this was happening under Power the Trust would be up in arms but as I said at the start, there's no separation between the Trust and club and well here we are.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:49:16
How do you know he answers questions as AB meeting's ? are you invited ? agreed he should not have been invited if his role is something to do with being in a suite on matchdays and no more.

Actually, I seem to have over stated his name being mentioned in response to answers - it seems it mostly revolved around Karachi back when that was more prominent and he sometimes gave the legal update (again - how can he if he is not involved?)?  On Karachi, the tone on the answers switched on that one as well - initially introduced into the AB minutes as an Opportunity the club was looking into, later switched to something Zav was doing on his own.

I note he is now not listed on the AB either - think the penny has recently dropped.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 13:54:14
Actually, I seem to have over stated his name being mentioned in response to answers - it seems it mostly revolved around Karachi back when that was more prominent and he sometimes gave the legal update (again - how can he if he is not involved?)?  On Karachi, the tone on the answers switched on that one as well - initially introduced into the AB minutes as an Opportunity the club was looking into, later switched to something Zav was doing on his own.

I note he is now not listed on the AB either - think the penny has recently dropped.

January was the last one he attended. (if the minutes are to be believed)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 14:02:19
Its because for safety purposes the club need backup power for the ground, and CCTV to ensure that should there be a power cut they have a backup power source.

Presumably the health and safety audit from last month was passed with the caveat that we need to fork out for a backup generator which would cover us for the rest of this season but during the summer it sounds like we need to put something more robust in?

Are you able to advise on the other issues that are alluded to which are going to require significant investment? Would this be tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands? (appreciate you might not know but worth asking)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 14:08:51
RA and Clem were told of this issue on multiple occasions.

Was the Health and Safety guy really sacked?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:01:04
RA and Clem were told of this issue on multiple occasions.

The emergency generator costs £3k a week which is why they are begging for ST money.

James .... Is it true the capacity is capped at 70%?

This and the constant begging for volunteers is embarrassing. If this was happening under Power the Trust would be up in arms but as I said at the start, there's no separation between the Trust and club and well here we are.

Why do you have an issue with club asking for volunteer help ? there are probably plenty of fans with trades that are willing to help out if they can, maybe the club will come to arrangements for payment or get the work free, if the club can get help for free then it means they have money to spend elsewhere, its called being part of a community and helping out where possible.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:09:05
Why do you have an issue with club asking for volunteer help ? there are probably plenty of fans with trades that are willing to help out if they can, maybe the club will come to arrangements for payment or get the work free, if the club can get help for free then it means they have money to spend elsewhere, its called being part of a community and helping out where possible.

because it wreaks of incompetence and inexperience.

We are not talking about some helping hands to clear snow off of the pitch here - something the club would never be staffed for.  We are talking about bread and butter jobs that we should be paying staff for.

You are talking about a Barter system, which the club is not doing.  There is nothing being provided in return of value.  Take the Intern roles as well - they may even be close to falling foul of employment law.  There is nothing against the law with providing short term internships to University students - in fact, in conjunction with a Uni, this can be valuable work exposure for the student.  We appear not to be doing that, instead asking for a year of unpaid work, nothing to do with a Uni course.  That HAS to be paid.

The club is a private business, not a Charity.  If it wishes to register itself as one, then we can talk about a true volunteering scheme.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:18:11
Was the Health and Safety guy really sacked?

Where has this come from?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:18:45
Why do you have an issue with club asking for volunteer help ? there are probably plenty of fans with trades that are willing to help out if they can, maybe the club will come to arrangements for payment or get the work free, if the club can get help for free then it means they have money to spend elsewhere, its called being part of a community and helping out where possible.

FWIW they will struggle to find anyone to do such work as a volunteer anyway I suspect.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:19:06
Where has this come from?

A twitter rumour. Nothing more. Nothing less.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:32:20
Having a restricted capacity is fairly significant and with ‘us’ owning the ground I would expect supporters to be told. Not that it actually matters currently but if the 70% restriction is genuine and has been kept hush hush that’s pretty poor.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:41:38
because it wreaks of incompetence and inexperience.

We are not talking about some helping hands to clear snow off of the pitch here - something the club would never be staffed for.  We are talking about bread and butter jobs that we should be paying staff for.

You are talking about a Barter system, which the club is not doing.  There is nothing being provided in return of value.  Take the Intern roles as well - they may even be close to falling foul of employment law.  There is nothing against the law with providing short term internships to University students - in fact, in conjunction with a Uni, this can be valuable work exposure for the student.  We appear not to be doing that, instead asking for a year of unpaid work, nothing to do with a Uni course.  That HAS to be paid.

The club is a private business, not a Charity.  If it wishes to register itself as one, then we can talk about a true volunteering scheme.

Man like RobertT speaking truths


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:43:46
Was the Health and Safety guy really sacked?

He's no longer at the club and H&S, I believe, now falls under RAs remit.

If the ex H&S guy was a football manager, I think the statement term used would probably have been mutual consent.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:44:40
Cheers.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:46:01
Having a restricted capacity is fairly significant and with ‘us’ owning the ground I would expect supporters to be told. Not that it actually matters currently but if the 70% restriction is genuine and has been kept hush hush that’s pretty poor.

Given we're not going to hit 70% club probably aren't to bothered, but what it does say lead to is people right looking at the club and questioning the professionalism and competence of people running the  show.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:51:22
Given we're not going to hit 70% club probably aren't to bothered, but what it does say lead to is people right looking at the club and questioning the professionalism and competence of people running the  show.

70% of what?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:53:58
14,500 or so I assume, the published capacity.

So more like 10k  - assuming, from the comments, based on H&S certificates - an emergency generator maybe not be up to the required standard for a full stadium?  who knows - another one to add to the AB for next time around - fun this!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:55:32
Given we're not going to hit 70% club probably aren't to bothered, but what it does say lead to is people right looking at the club and questioning the professionalism and competence of people running the  show.
I guess it’s what the restriction relates to that would be important to many. If for example it’s isolated to one stand, say the Stratton Bank then that in effect condemns it and would bring into question the whole point of just putting a roof on it as it would in effect confirm it needs a full rebuild. If it’s a stadium wide 70% then how is this remedied?

But like I said, they keep pumping out the ‘we own our ground’ stuff so surely this is exactly the type of stuff that people should be informed about if true.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 15:56:56
I'd imagine the safety certificates are a matter of public record somewhere.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 16:03:02
Why do you have an issue with club asking for volunteer help ? there are probably plenty of fans with trades that are willing to help out if they can, maybe the club will come to arrangements for payment or get the work free, if the club can get help for free then it means they have money to spend elsewhere, its called being part of a community and helping out where possible.


The same club that happily shafts fans at the first/ every opportunity? I'm sure theres a long queue of people struggling to make ends meet themselves willing to help them right now.

Man City tickets
Emotional Blackmail to renew
Trying to bump disabled STHs etc etc etc


Clearing (or rather moving) debt quickly is all well and good, but you cant put a price on goodwill and thats going off a cliff.


Example- having waved my refund like many others i also purchased 2 shirts last season. they havent been worn once and the tag is still on them but it felt like we were at a new dawn and the club needed help. I havent bought one this year, and even now at 50% off they arent tempting me at all. If the refund issue was happening now i would be pursuing it. 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 16:05:06
14,500 or so I assume, the published capacity.

So more like 10k  - assuming, from the comments, based on H&S certificates - an emergency generator maybe not be up to the required standard for a full stadium?  who knows - another one to add to the AB for next time around - fun this!

Ah gotcha.

But still depends upon a lot of context to decide whether this is a shambles (TM) Pathetic (TM) or just sensible resource management.

As I imagine its clear to the club that loads are unlikely to go again this season add into the pot that Stevenage and Crawley are not renown for their massive travelling support, plus are we even averaging 10k crowds, if its a case of say £30k for the 70% solution v. say £130k for the 100% solution it makes perfect sense to do that for the rest of the season then review in the summer (as is there in black and white in the AB minutes).

As we are not going to get a 10k crowd for love nor money, why does this so desperately need publishing to the fans, if we were averaging (or likely to get) 15k a game then undoubtedly so it would need communication but we ain't?

Many things are a shit show, but this strange desperation of many of our fan base to spin just about everything based on no context and little more than a rumour as a negative is getting bloody odd.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 17:21:38
The sooner a new DOF is appointed the better. I suspect it's the only thing that will change the tone on here, convince people that we'll turn a page next season and boost ST sales.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Outletred on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 22:00:35
The sooner a new DOF is appointed the better. I suspect it's the only thing that will change the tone on here, convince people that we'll turn a page next season and boost ST sales.

This is spot on- I have renewed by the way however Angus having the if you don’t renew we won’t have a decent budget in every programme note is ridiculous.

Put out a decent promotion hunting side and you will get the crowds and renewals. If you don’t change anything in the football set up be prepared for much lower crowds.

I genuinely think if people could see change and actions they would renew. They won’t renew though necessarily on the back of emotional blackmail ala every match day programme notes


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 22:09:43
There may be an element that’s waiting to see what recruitment there is in the summer before committing to a ST new or renewal. As I’ve mentioned we’re not for the foreseeable future. Painful TBH but we’ve just not used them as much as we should have ordinarily. We will go, just pay the walk up price as and when. In a few years time when the DNA is back from U I we’ll be back.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 06:20:52
If there was any doubt that the club is a complete shambles and there is no reason to think next season will be any better, this eliminates it

https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire/status/1649639346394259458?t=IN5v2BeMhF6GFVesybjwKQ&s=19


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 06:41:09
The sooner a new DOF is appointed the better. I suspect it's the only thing that will change the tone on here, convince people that we'll turn a page next season and boost ST sales.
I doubt whether that will change it.

The only thing that stops football fans moaning is success on the pitch.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Lardy Cake on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:24:52
If there was any doubt that the club is a complete shambles and there is no reason to think next season will be any better, this eliminates it

https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire/status/1649639346394259458?t=IN5v2BeMhF6GFVesybjwKQ&s=19
Thanks for posting Boeta.
If ever a manager looked pissed off he did in that clip.
Mutual consent anyone ?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 08:50:41
Thanks for posting Boeta.
If ever a manager looked pissed off he did in that clip.
Mutual consent anyone ?

Doesn't suggest joined up thinking with what was written in the programme notes or the AB. Morris didn't seem confident there that a promotion winning budget was forthcoming. Body language didn't look ideal to me.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Laddy in Red on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 09:52:15
It'd be a relief for him to fuck off and get someone in who knows what they're doing I reckon, especially if he keeps sulking all the time.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 10:01:53
I'm not sure Morris is 'the man'.

But I will say that it's completely possible that he's been sold to the club by a cheque the club can't cash. I'm sure the Brand situation was a frustrating start and if budget promises look less certain now then I could understand his mood.

He's a young manager trying to make a first of management and there are no guarantees how many times this chance will come along if this turns to shit.

or he could have been told the absolute truth of the situation and is feeling the pressure  now the enormity of the task is more obvious.

as always we are all guessing.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Laddy in Red on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 10:13:52
Even so he whinges every time a mic is put in his face be it players or club administration. If you don't like it fuck off and find something else, not like he had a lot of job offers and maybe that's why.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 10:17:07
Starting to sound like a younger Mark Cooper, with more fake tan.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 11:05:39
You never know, he could just be waiting to clear out everyone at the end of the season and bring the whole of Brand's former Chelsea youth team.

Most of the U23s that we have played in the tinpot cup have beaten us, so we might end up with a group of cheap kids who are better than what we've got.

We can't get much worse that what we already have in several positions on the pitch.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:00:36
Even so he whinges every time a mic is put in his face be it players or club administration. If you don't like it fuck off and find something else, not like he had a lot of job offers and maybe that's why.

Starting to become a bit of diva for a man with 3 wins in 15 games.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 13:51:25
 just read the pdf doc . I nearly choked on my slice of gala pie when i read ' hanners'  request for payment for his efforts


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 14:28:07
Quote from: Steak supper
 just read the pdf doc . I nearly choked on my slice of gala pie when i read ' hanners'  request for payment for his efforts

somebody's question suggesting he be paid. Not his own I'd wager


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 14:41:23
 I think that it is difficult to believe that anyone (maybe apart from close family ) would get in touch to say this bloke should be rewarded for his efforts


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:41:55
Even so he whinges every time a mic is put in his face be it players or club administration. If you don't like it fuck off and find something else, not like he had a lot of job offers and maybe that's why.

No one has to accept working with shit conditions in any role and they can look to get changes implemented/changes made - or should he just roll over and accept the situation? If he is in a position where he can speak up then he has every right to do so and to highlight as such.

I think nil nil, one nil and five one in recent results shits over any last scraps of Sandro fan bois trying to push Morris out. It appears players are now listening to/taking on board what it is that Morris and Brand are trying to implement. Quite possible from an on the pitch point of view that Town appear to have turned the corner.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:47:32
Where we at with future plans for a local training ground since the Inglesham complex isn't happening.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 16:54:33
I think that it is difficult to believe that anyone (maybe apart from close family ) would get in touch to say this bloke should be rewarded for his efforts

I'm clearly not Hanners biggest fan but the club should be prepared to pay people for doing work at the club. If said SE/contractor ends up being below par or rubbish, that's on the club for not employing a professional stadium announcer/presenter or doing due diligence on who they are choosing to employ. It would not surprise me if the club didn't even do a DBS check either.

If the club expect people to do that role or many roles at the club for effectively gratis - then the quality of such will dissipate. STFC is not a charity or community enterprise.

I also love how the club tried to piggyback on the STFC Community Foundation's recent award as if it was their own achievement - separate entity so I don't get how they tried to peddle that as their own good news/back patting.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 17:34:08
I also love how the club tried to piggyback on the STFC Community Foundation's recent award as if it was their own achievement - separate entity so I don't get how they tried to peddle that as their own good news/back patting.

Yes, that was rather transparently opportunistic.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 09:27:08
I'm clearly not Hanners biggest fan but the club should be prepared to pay people for doing work at the club. If said SE/contractor ends up being below par or rubbish, that's on the club for not employing a professional stadium announcer/presenter or doing due diligence on who they are choosing to employ. It would not surprise me if the club didn't even do a DBS check either.

If the club expect people to do that role or many roles at the club for effectively gratis - then the quality of such will dissipate. STFC is not a charity or community enterprise.

I also love how the club tried to piggyback on the STFC Community Foundation's recent award as if it was their own achievement - separate entity so I don't get how they tried to peddle that as their own good news/back patting.

 doing some small fry podcast , which I found a bit cringy (I am sure others enjoyed it ) didn't equip this chap with the skills needed to warm up the crowd. I am sure it is a hard job and requires a properly paid professional


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 09:55:51
Quote from: Steak supper
  I am sure it is a hard job and requires a properly paid professional
Jimmy Carr? Mr Tumble?

I can't hear it properly so I can't tell if it's cringe, reports from the first game certainly seem like it was!

it's not the first time, remember the 'man with the mic' from the 80s/90s.

anyway my main point for this post is that we are English mostly. We don't do "the show," and "forced fun" at sports very well.

I was reminded of that as I was lucky enough to see an NHL ice hockey game recently. it works in the USA. You want an English dude dressed as a knight leading cheer leaders, a band and assorted others through a casino? no problem. you want a stage outside the ground to gee up the home support and trash talk the opposition. no problem. you want flashing foam sticks for all in the stadium so they twinkle when the lights are off. no problem. free t-shirts into the crowd... no problem

 I loved it l, but would also hate it here in football


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:10:27
Jimmy Carr? Mr Tumble?

I can't hear it properly so I can't tell if it's cringe, reports from the first game certainly seem like it was!

it's not the first time, remember the 'man with the mic' from the 80s/90s.

anyway my main point for this post is that we are English mostly. We don't do "the show," and "forced fun" at sports very well.

I was reminded of that as I was lucky enough to see an NHL ice hockey game recently. it works in the USA. You want an English dude dressed as a knight leading cheer leaders, a band and assorted others through a casino? no problem. you want a stage outside the ground to gee up the home support and trash talk the opposition. no problem. you want flashing foam sticks for all in the stadium so they twinkle when the lights are off. no problem. free t-shirts into the crowd... no problem

 I loved it l, but would also hate it here in football

Couldn't agree more Batch. Yank sports are an 'experience' whereas over here the actual 90 minutes is far more important and all the other flannel is put on the back burner

Remember when Sky first launched the Premier league and had fireworks, cheerleaders, inflatable sumo wrestling etc. I think that lasted about a season as people just weren't interested.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:13:15
Let's not forget the work of the Robinettes.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:32:11

anyway my main point for this post is that we are English mostly. We don't do "the show," and "forced fun" at sports very well.


I remember going to the European Cup Final at Wembley (Barcelona v Sampdoria), and it was so quiet in the pubs before the game & around the ground outside when we arrived (about 15 mins before kick off) and thinking it was going to be a bit shit as there wasn't going to be many there.

When we got to our seats the ground was pretty full, and the steward said it was basically packed from when the gates opened.  The difference between European fans & the English experience is that we mostly go to the pub before & get to the game as late as possible.

The pre game entertainment or whatever should be aimed at Kids & families as they are the ones in the ground. Unless you get to the point where you can drink in the grounds again.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:38:51
Let's not forget the work of the Robinettes.

Must be middle aged mums by now.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:47:27
I remember going to the European Cup Final at Wembley (Barcelona v Sampdoria), and it was so quiet in the pubs before the game & around the ground outside when we arrived (about 15 mins before kick off) and thinking it was going to be a bit shit as there wasn't going to be many there.

When we got to our seats the ground was pretty full, and the steward said it was basically packed from when the gates opened.  The difference between European fans & the English experience is that we mostly go to the pub before & get to the game as late as possible.

The pre game entertainment or whatever should be aimed at Kids & families as they are the ones in the ground. Unless you get to the point where you can drink in the grounds again.

I've been to a couple of games in Germany and they kind of do both. The pubs are all rammed yet a lot of the 'ultras' get into the grounds early and setup their flags etc. The atmosphere at German games is pretty special.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 10:59:46
 If the powers that be have decided a warm up man /  woman might might help with atmosphere or fan engagement , dont do it half arsed by getting in some one who has a hobby podcast .   Of course , whether it works is another matter . 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 11:08:48
Couldn't agree more Batch. Yank sports are an 'experience' whereas over here the actual 90 minutes is far more important and all the other flannel is put on the back burner

Remember when Sky first launched the Premier league and had ................inflatable sumo wrestling etc. I think that lasted about a season as people just weren't interested.
No wonder our fat controller usually looked a bit knackered by the time the actual match kicked off.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 11:13:30
I probably fall into the grumpy out git category - but have two comments about pre match "entertainment"

1. the first game the STBL guy did pre match, we got in about 2.15 or so, and he was bellowing into the microphone trying to get the 3 stands to  chant in turn - the problem was there were probably only a few hundred people scattered across the 3 stands at that point - everyone else was either in the concourse or still in the pub/on the way to the ground - optimistic or pointless, depending on your viewpoint.

2. when we get into the ground we like to have a conversation with those who sit around us - either about the team news / game ahead or what we are doing away from football. having load music or someone shouting through a microphone is of no interest to us - it just disrupts our conversations.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 11:22:46
I probably fall into the grumpy out git category - but have two comments about pre match "entertainment"

1. the first game the STBL guy did pre match, we got in about 2.15 or so, and he was bellowing into the microphone trying to get the 3 stands to  chant in turn - the problem was there were probably only a few hundred people scattered across the 3 stands at that point - everyone else was either in the concourse or still in the pub/on the way to the ground - optimistic or pointless, depending on your viewpoint.

2. when we get into the ground we like to have a conversation with those who sit around us - either about the team news / game ahead or what we are doing away from football. having load music or someone shouting through a microphone is of no interest to us - it just disrupts our conversations.
I agree pretty much with all of that.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 11:29:52
I guess the families get to the grounds earlier and so the pre match entertainment is geared towards them. So therefore having the Swindon Mr Tumble on the microphone probably makes sense.

Before the Bradford game, Rockin Robin and the Bradford chicken mascot were having a penalty shoot out competition that was getting both sets of fans involved. Simple, fun and effective.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:24:22
I genuinely think if people could see change and actions they would renew. They won’t renew though necessarily on the back of emotional blackmail ala every match day programme notes

Yeah, you can't put the cart before the horse. Fans have bought tickets and backed the club and they've balls it up. They have to go out and win the support now.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:27:06
Before the Bradford game, Rockin Robin and the Bradford chicken mascot were having a penalty shoot out competition that was getting both sets of fans involved. Simple, fun and effective.

Exactly. This plus maybe adding one or two Swindon 'Hall of Famers" each home matchday with a short pitchside interview would be plenty for me, plus maybe a fan competition to score from halfway etc.

Have we given up on the Hall of Fame? They were dishing out ties for a few years.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 13:14:51
doing some small fry podcast , which I found a bit cringy (I am sure others enjoyed it ) didn't equip this chap with the skills needed to warm up the crowd. I am sure it is a hard job and requires a properly paid professional

If you've seen my previous comments on whether the person booked/hired for the gig isat a professional standard...I concluded not.

My point is, the club made a decision to appoint/give that role to someone. Doesn't matter who it is or how shit/good they are. For the work they've done to date, they should be compensated. It's the clubs fault if they hired without a proper interview process or didn't do a proper recruitment campaign. On a purely moral element, Town have had plenty of absolute dog shite managers and they've been paid for their time and ¨effort¨"so in that instance, Hanners should also get paid. If the club then decide to bin him off, or let him shadow ab actual professional then that'll be a different fish  ;)


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Questions For Advisory Board....


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 13:17:28

Remember when Sky first launched the Premier league and had fireworks, cheerleaders, inflatable sumo wrestling etc. I think that lasted about a season as people just weren't interested.


Palace still have the ''Crystals'' though and they should definitely stay  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Monday, April 24, 2023, 13:00:06
If you've seen my previous comments on whether the person booked/hired for the gig isat a professional standard...I concluded not.

My point is, the club made a decision to appoint/give that role to someone. Doesn't matter who it is or how shit/good they are. For the work they've done to date, they should be compensated. It's the clubs fault if they hired without a proper interview process or didn't do a proper recruitment campaign. On a purely moral element, Town have had plenty of absolute dog shite managers and they've been paid for their time and ¨effort¨"so in that instance, Hanners should also get paid. If the club then decide to bin him off, or let him shadow ab actual professional then that'll be a different fish  ;)


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Questions For Advisory Board....

What are you on ? is 'hanners' your mate ?

Why should he get paid for wanting to increase his ego, if he cant do it hand back the mic, simple as that, tbf he hasn't made a difference and at times made himself look like a total muppet so he would probably hand the mic back anyway.

I Remember the days of Stuart Mac on the mic, and local radio presenters were used, a decent job was always done then, but that was years ago.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 24, 2023, 15:16:51

What are you on ? is 'hanners' your mate ?

Why should he get paid for wanting to increase his ego, if he cant do it hand back the mic, simple as that, tbf he hasn't made a difference and at times made himself look like a total muppet so he would probably hand the mic back anyway.

I Remember the days of Stuart Mac on the mic, and local radio presenters were used, a decent job was always done then, but that was years ago.


Absolutely not. I don't know Hanners from Adam. If you'd read my previous comments you would understand this.

Increasing one's ego is completely moot in regards to remuneration - whether you, I or anyone else likes the person or not.

Let's flip it then...if you had been booked/appointed to do a job and after a few weeks/months etc it turned out that you weren't upto the standard the booker/employer thought then rightly so you might be relieved of your duties under a form of probationary period but....and it's the important part...you would and should still be paid for the work you have done upto that point.

The key matter really is whether or not Hanners had been promised payment for this role. If not, that's still poor on the club to not be looking to pay for a Professional Stadium Announcer/Compere. If he had been promised payment then of course it's also poor on the club if they don't think they should pay him.

It's neither here nor there if he was good/professional enough for the role and ''handing the mic back'' or at least getting some more relevant training would be the obvious options for Hanners.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, April 24, 2023, 15:29:42
 God no the match day experience is improved without having to endure that hanners bloke .


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 24, 2023, 15:44:37
God no the match day experience is improved without having to endure that hanners bloke .

FFS can any of you cunts read? I'm not saying he's good, he's fucking totally not qualified to do the job but that's on the club for giving him said opportunity - the point of matter is if he had agreed to be paid or to do it for nowt.

Also, I'm no fan of his podcast but I'm not a fan of people trying to limit someone's progression just because they've actually had the balls to give something a go. The worst thing that can happen? You can be atrociously shit at it but it means you get an opportunity to learn from it and maybe look at ways at how you can become better.

We can all apply that to ourselves. Hanners himself can also, there's really no need for folk to get directly personal with him if that has been the case.

=====================================

Anyway this is ''QFTAB Fred'' and not the ''Hanners Ability to Become a Stadium Announcer Fred''  :D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, April 24, 2023, 17:28:00
FFS can any of you cunts read? I'm not saying he's good, he's fucking totally not qualified to do the job but that's on the club for giving him said opportunity - the point of matter is if he had agreed to be paid or to do it for nowt.

Also, I'm no fan of his podcast but I'm not a fan of people trying to limit someone's progression just because they've actually had the balls to give something a go. The worst thing that can happen? You can be atrociously shit at it but it means you get an opportunity to learn from it and maybe look at ways at how you can become better.

We can all apply that to ourselves. Hanners himself can also, there's really no need for folk to get directly personal with him if that has been the case.

=====================================

Anyway this is ''QFTAB Fred'' and not the ''Hanners Ability to Become a Stadium Announcer Fred''  :D

ffs my comments were not directed to you . I dont want to be rude but it is not all about you.

I may call up the owner or ask the advisory board whether I can have a go.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 24, 2023, 18:12:51
ffs my comments were not directed to you . I dont want to be rude but it is not all about you.

I may call up the owner or ask the advisory board whether I can have a go.



He's got form for this kind of thing unfortunately


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 24, 2023, 19:38:47
ffs my comments were not directed to you . I dont want to be rude but it is not all about you.

I may call up the owner or ask the advisory board whether I can have a go.



I'm aware of the second sentence and I know this. But your comment was directly under. I thought you simply couldn't be arsed to quote me. Plus, you had previously responded so thought this was just a natural response. Apologies but it seemed like it was part of the conversation flow  ;)

Regards your second paragraph, if I lived closer I was considering it myself  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:



He's got form for this kind of thing unfortunately


No need Bernard. No need  :D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 10:08:49
It was pitched up for a home run tbf..  And I think we have pretty much established what there is no need for  ;)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 12:04:55
It was pitched up for a home run tbf..  And I think we have pretty much established what there is no need for  ;)

You tinker  :D Stop it you, I'll end up liking you  :girlgiggle: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:40:55
Could we please ask the AB how many replica shirts we have sold? Would be interested to see how it compares to someone like Wrexham; I saw an article that said they had shifted in excess of 24,000!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 11:16:07
New minutes up

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/2022-23-advisory-board-minutes/advisory-board-may-2023-post-meeting-vfinal.pdf


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 11:22:25
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iFollow is an important revenue stream for the Club which drives monies straight to us. We had 422 people streaming for our game v Tranmere, 49 for Barrow, 242 for Bradford, and 93 for Wimbledon. Thank you toall those who support us via iFollow the monies do come to the Club and get re-invested.

Not sure I've seen iFollow numbers before so that's interesting. I wonder if this is actually the number of single match passes sold rather than those (abroad) who have season passes?

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• The Karachi work was initiated by Zav Austin in a purely voluntary capacity. He is not the Vice-Chairman. He does not hold anyposition of influence within the club and does not receive a salary.

• The Pakistan arrangement is aimed at attracting and developing talent, and we have seen some minor benefit from that in terms of our coaches getting international experience, but it is not a major part of our plans going forward. Zav’s voluntary work may well continue but it is not funded by the club.

• The MOU with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office simply lays out a basic framework for how players can be brought into the club through official and above-board channels, which is crucial as we are committed to doing things the right way. It was not signed by Zav as he does not work for Swindon Town, but obviously he has built bridges between STFC and relevant officials.

On Zav. Nothing on other notable individuals.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 11:24:12
Hold hands up RE AB meetings satisfying Fan engagement- AB mins and Horlock said they do- I didn’t think they would and personally don’t feel 2 is a big enough sample but anyway, I was wrong with that.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 11:30:42
Very brief skim of it but some good concise answers in that, will have a proper read later.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 11:34:31
Looks positive on my skim read.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 11:42:40
Credit where it's due, detailed responses there as the club promised. The AB pack has definitely shown a vast improvement the last couple of months. Good work Clem & co.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 12:01:42
Much much better communication and clearly answering the questions. Well done all


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 12:07:51
Someone really hammering this Morris criminal record issue.

Other than a drink driving conviction, what was he convicted of?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 12:19:02
Impersonating a Head coach..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 12:19:49
I have some very critical thoughts still, after reading the minutes.  Not sure sharing them adds much value to the conversation because they mostly relate to the same themes as previous times.  Essentially there still appear some big operational and foundational gaps in the business to me - and to see that when you are not there day to day worries me (only because I care).

Instead, something struck me around a possible step forward.

A lot has been made about the club constantly asking for volunteers (it's there again and it seems the Trust have prompted the latest one) and wanting the "community" to back it (there is an odd line about not wanting to spend on marketing because they'd rather fans want to buy season tickets because we are playing well....um, OK then).  Well, about 10 years or so ago, as lambasted by Reg at the time, previous ownership utterly diluted and made individual fan share ownership nothing more than a token certificate.

If Clem and the club are serious about wanting people to invest their time, let them invest their money and become proper small shareholders.  I would suggest that Clem dilutes his ownership by selling off shares in the company that owns the club - he can do so without impacting his ownership rights by controlling how many.

Then, follow that gesture by holding AGM's, not fans forums.  Where the financials, full financials (not the brief version we release today) are presented and future plans and strategy are discussed.  Votes can be held - Clem would win if he maintains a significant controlling %, but we'd at least be able to see how fans feel about the decisions being taken - direct feedback if you like.

Finally, release quarterly or half yearly full financial results (appreciate quarterly may be too much effort).  Some of the accounts produced by other L2 clubs were quite impressive (granted, some were as bad as Powers) - if the club wants to be #1 of 72 League clubs, then act like it, be better than all the others.

At an AGM, something like the Karachi Fuckwittery can be discussed and reviewed properly - lets really get into the Operational cost of supporting it, the benefits it could bring and the reputational impact (positive or negative).  Clem may steamroller his friends business deal through, but the fans can have a direct say in such an important waste of fucking time for the club (sorry, this one really has irked me!).

The club gains two direct benefits from taking this route - first it gets an investment into the club on top of Operational funds.  Nothing ground breaking, but something.  Second, it truly provides open and honest communication between fans and the club if the fans are actual Shareholders, not just customers.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 12:44:07
Mixed bag of answers, though I do think the format of the AB has been greatly improved and its good to see Q&A every month.

A couple of good suggestions from supporters on kiosk queues and car parking.

Wasn't aware of FFP changing, but they are certainly pushing that line to appeal to supporters to buy STs. Makes sense, will have to look up what's changing.

"Advisory Board meets EFL requirement to meet and engage with supporters" - completely disagree here. Once a month half duplex Q&A makes it very difficult to discuss a problem/suggestion to completion.

The Xav Austin question - yeah Dean is right that they could say whatever and not be believed. Seem to be distancing the club from Karachi and being 'significant' but..yeah.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 12:52:05
Absolute back tracking from the club on Zav Austin, last year the club named him as such and they let him do a Q&A on behalf of them to potential sponsors!

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Swindon Town was delighted to welcome current and prospective partners to The County Ground last night for an exclusive Partnership Dinner.

Along with receiving commercial overviews delivered by Head of Commercial, Danny Lee for this season, and strategies for next, guests also enjoyed a talk from Vice-Chairman Zav Austin, Director of Football Ben Chorley and Head Coach Ben Garner

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/march/gallery-stfc-sponsors-dinner-2122/

(https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/202122/sponsors-dinner-2322/sponsors-evening_cf1a_0125.jpg)



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Briggany on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 13:25:59
I do feel for the club, they answer every question and when its not to someone's liking or doesn't fit their fanciful agenda then they just get slated. Thankfully it's a very very small minority that kick up the conspiracies... let's call them "flat pitchers" (pun intended about our own pitch)

At the end of the day we are all just fans, and whilst we have influence and a certain degree of say we do not run the day to day business of the club and we sure as hell are not entitled to know every single in and out around every decision.

And we are 100% not entitled to know everything the moment it happens. As with anything when something important needs to be said it's better to take the time to deliver the right message and check its within legal parameters rather than blurt something out that could cause more issues. As A fan base wer are really impatient. You all work for a living do you go with your immediate emotional response to an email/situation or do you site back and take the time to form a reasonable considered response.

Whilst I understand some of the answers were not to your liking they are answers to your questions. Just because it's not the answer you personally want doesn't mean its a wrong answer.

I was far from impressed with how last season went and I vented in the stands like everyone else, I was also never expecting us to go up this season and I am fully aware that sorting out the mess that is STFC is going to take many years ) I am holding back judgement and fury until at least year 5). Maybe those making a minefield out of a cabbage patch should instead focus their anger and frustration on reevaluating their expectations of our league 2 club rather than force them onto the club and throwing a strop when they don't get what they want.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something different to happen. Your only going to piss yourself off doing that, the club will just keep plodding along doing what they think is best. And so far they have done fairly well at that.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 13:35:53
If you think it takes 5 years to sort out a <7m turnover per year business (ignore the football side for a minute), then can I have you as my CEO please?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 13:36:57
Absolute back tracking from the club on Zav Austin, last year the club named him as such and they let him do a Q&A on behalf of them to potential sponsors!
The club have absolutely no choice if they want to avoid a fine.

I guess the legal route was eventually exhausted and here we are.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 13:38:56
I do feel for the club, they answer every question and when its not to someone's liking or doesn't fit their fanciful agenda then they just get slated
I though the Power chat was "fanciful agenda" once too.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 13:56:35
Your only going to piss yourself off doing that, the club will just keep plodding along doing what they think is best. And so far they have done fairly well at that.

Are you being serious?  The success criteria for the club is a) do well in a footballing sense and b) make a profit (or cover the losses without exposing the business.  On the first point they have failed miserably - surely that is not even up for debate?

The day we set our expectations lower, based on what we know is achievable given the scale of the "business", is the day we follow Oldham or Rochdale.  I'm not saying we have any god given right to be in a certain league position, but to have an expectation to be mid table in Div 4 when 10k people pay to turn up is ludicrous.  You may counter with historical debt issues, or not being run well - basically, we run at lower Revenue than we should do given the ticket sales, something that they could, and are, focusing on.  The expectation should still be for more than this season delivered, sorry not sorry.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Briggany on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 14:04:48
Are you being serious?  The success criteria for the club is a) do well in a footballing sense and b) make a profit (or cover the losses without exposing the business.  On the first point they have failed miserably - surely that is not even up for debate?

The day we set our expectations lower, based on what we know is achievable given the scale of the "business", is the day we follow Oldham or Rochdale.  I'm not saying we have any god given right to be in a certain league position, but to have an expectation to be mid table in Div 4 when 10k people pay to turn up is ludicrous.  You may counter with historical debt issues, or not being run well - basically, we run at lower Revenue than we should do given the ticket sales, something that they could, and are, focusing on.  The expectation should still be for more than this season delivered, sorry not sorry.

It was more aimed at those that think we should be pissing the leagues because we were in the prem many moons ago. As a fan base our loudest voices tend to be those at the lower and upper extremes when it comes to expectations.

I expect us to be in a higher division, however I didn't expect Clem to be a magic bullet that would propel us up the leagues season after season. His first season was an absolute miracle/fluke given the situation, this season showed inexperience. When he bought the club, and I am sure I have put it here on in the Facebook group, was that it would take us 3 or 4 seasons to go up. So far its all within my expectations, maybe not my hopes or dreams, but definitely what I expected.

In no way am I saying we should just accept mid table in league 2, but there are numerous examples on these forums of expectations being set well outside of the reality that sits in front of us.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 14:14:51
If Clem and the club are serious about wanting people to invest their time, let them invest their money and become proper small shareholders.  I would suggest that Clem dilutes his ownership by selling off shares in the company that owns the club - he can do so without impacting his ownership rights by controlling how many.


They would need to achieve a hell of a lot of service in lieu to make it worthwhile doing that.

Whilst it may not dilute the ability to make decisions or day to day matters, from peripheral experience managing companies/organisations with a large small scale shareholdership is a costly administrative nightmare, be it maintaining the register, having to communicate papers to people, having to try and sort things when people move and don't tell you about it and then the associated whining and ball ache when they don't get told about things.

Would introduce a whole new subject for people to moan about and combine that with the costs and administrative ball ache it would take a lot of toilet unblocking and application of emulsion to make that worthwhile.  


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 14:16:04
Absolute back tracking from the club on Zav Austin, last year the club named him as such and they let him do a Q&A on behalf of them to potential sponsors!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/march/gallery-stfc-sponsors-dinner-2122/

(https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/202122/sponsors-dinner-2322/sponsors-evening_cf1a_0125.jpg)



Huge apologies for going over old ground over and over again and fair play, the club have answered the Zav question in detail. I guess my remaining niggle is what does Zav Austin get out of the 'voluntary' work and the Pakistan project? Some kickback from visas and comp tickets to STFC matches? Perhaps he feels that he owes Clem for helping him out historically and is giving up his time for the good of the club?

The club have answered the questions and so I'll have to take the response at face value, but it just doesn't feel quite right.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 14:24:56
Huge apologies for going over old ground over and over again and fair play, the club have answered the Zav question in detail. I guess my remaining niggle is what does Zav Austin get out of the 'voluntary' work and the Pakistan project? Some kickback from visas and comp tickets to STFC matches? Perhaps he feels that he owes Clem for helping him out historically and is giving up his time for the good of the club?

The club have answered the questions and so I'll have to take the response at face value, but it just doesn't feel quite right.

He gets to tell his mates that he is bessie friends with a rich bloke who owns a football ,club and helps him with running it. I strongly suspect its a little more than ego thing where he gets to pretend he is more important than he really is.

Much as with personalised number plates its portraying a perceived image.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 14:27:53
It was more aimed at those that think we should be pissing the leagues because we were in the prem many moons ago. As a fan base our loudest voices tend to be those at the lower and upper extremes when it comes to expectations.


Nobody actually thinks or says that though, do they?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 14:39:42
They would need to achieve a hell of a lot of service in lieu to make it worthwhile doing that.

Whilst it may not dilute the ability to make decisions or day to day matters, from peripheral experience managing companies/organisations with a large small scale shareholdership is a costly administrative nightmare, be it maintaining the register, having to communicate papers to people, having to try and sort things when people move and don't tell you about it and then the associated whining and ball ache when they don't get told about things.

Would introduce a whole new subject for people to moan about and combine that with the costs and administrative ball ache it would take a lot of toilet unblocking and application of emulsion to make that worthwhile. 

It may be a headache, we may not have the resources onboard to support it right now, but we did manage to achieve this as a business until Black.  If something is worth it, it's worth it. 

Let the fans properly invest - it's sort of what the Stadium company are allowing, via the Trust.  Either we mean it when we say we want to be the number one fan engagement football club, or we don't.

An AGM carries far more weight than a fans drink and chat twice a year.  Production of full accounts shows real openness.  It becomes a two way street - fans can put up, or to some degree, shut up.  If I want to be invested in the club and get the benefits of openness that come with that, I put my money where my mouth is.  If not, I can be a lot quieter on the outside (people won't, but you surely get what I mean?).


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 10:11:04
Just been reading the AB minutes again. When is the Standing v Power case expected to be heard? Is that going to happen this year?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 10:54:20
Just been reading the AB minutes again. When is the Standing v Power case expected to be heard? Is that going to happen this year?

I'll send the bat signal out on Twitter. I've lost track

January AB notes:
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It was noted that the Club is trying to close out the FA Charges whilst Power and Standing are looking to defer until the Standing v Power case is heard which will be sometime in 2023. It looks likely that the delay in the Standing v Power case will defer the outcome on the FA charges.

31st December?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 11:23:41
It'll happen when it happens, must be hugely frustrating for the club to have this hanging over their head and entirely outside their control.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 14:56:43
It is wrong it can be conveniently blocked, but you would think that Power / Standing don't want the FL / STFC to expose anything before the court case, and the FL may be happy to see what comes out in court, lets be honest there is probably a lot of crap that will be thrown around between them - depends what they say Clem knew which by the seems of it is nothing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 15:58:09
It'll happen when it happens

Is that official court scheduling?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 16:04:32
Is that official court scheduling?

I think at the moment yes, courts are so under resourced its never clear why anything is actually going to happen.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 18:57:25
Huge apologies for going over old ground over and over again and fair play, the club have answered the Zav question in detail. I guess my remaining niggle is what does Zav Austin get out of the 'voluntary' work and the Pakistan project? Some kickback from visas and comp tickets to STFC matches? Perhaps he feels that he owes Clem for helping him out historically and is giving up his time for the good of the club?

The club have answered the questions and so I'll have to take the response at face value, but it just doesn't feel quite right.

It doesn’t feel right - but I’ve just reconciled with the fact we have people like that running the club (not Angus, but the cockney crims). The dishonesty is so deeply ingrained, I suspect they hardly realise they’re doing it. They’re complacent and lack any class - but they’ve all we’ve got until something better shows up. My only worry is that I don’t trust them to sell to anyone reputable - but I’m tired of caring, and just want to win some football matches.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 09:10:23
New minutes must be due soon?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 09:17:48
And the new kits😀


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 10:11:57
And the new kits😀


Last year the new kits were announced on Wednesday 15th June and went on sale the next day.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 10:13:17
We are playing skins next season, cheaper for the club and the fans don’t have to fork out for shirts.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 10:25:41
And the new kits😀

I don’t know if it’s because they are waiting until they are available in the shop before announcing (to try & stop the endless “when will they be in the shop” questions).
Or whether it’s just because it’s just as disorganised behind the scenes as everything else seems to be.

I’m hoping it’s the first, but feel it’s probably the latter


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 12:15:50
And the new kits😀


New kits were supposed to launch on Thursday. That was the plan anyway. No head of media along with whatever else is going on behind scenes RE staffing is probably why it been delayed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 12:42:41
I’m sure it used to be a thing that clubs released new home shirt for the final home game of the season, then clubs would have a whole pre season of shirt sales.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 13:05:08
End of the month for new home shirts
Away kit july
3rd shirt aug/sept


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 15:00:09
I’m sure it used to be a thing that clubs released new home shirt for the final home game of the season, then clubs would have a whole pre season of shirt sales.

It did.

When we were proper skint and played in next seasons kit (final day against Luton end of the 02/03 season I think 1-1 draw) I believe our players were told specifically not give away their kit and they would definitely need to use it next season as we were that skint & anything given away would come out the players wages.

Miglioranzi had just signed a new contract and ended up on his pants after the game.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Saturday, June 17, 2023, 15:02:30
I tell a lie - we won 2-1


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 11:00:10
https://truststfc.com/2023/06/19/advisory-board-fans-questions-update/

Questions to the advisory board can now only come from named individuals.

I get why they'd do that, but inevitably it does make it harder to ask the difficult questions. It's not like there are tons of Oxford fans submitting questions about why Swindon continues to be a shithole, is it?

I suppose it does mean we can give well deserved shit to whoever moans about being called a "punter" next time.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 11:11:33
Agree with this in principle but it might make people scared of asking questions about possible criminal elements in the hierarchy which isn't great.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 11:18:12
As far as I can see, there is nothing stopping anyone setting up a fake Twitter, or email account, using a false name. Which would take all of 2 minutes.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 11:18:24
I'd have liked them to quantify why it's a problem vs just telling the supporters there's a (albeit) slight hoop to jump through.

TBH I've also got issues with data being captured, how it's stored and the use of that data, given it's arriving via an email address


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 11:19:41
I'd have liked them to quantify why it's a problem vs just telling the supporters there's a (albeit) slight hoop to jump through.

TBH I've also got issues with data being captured, how it's stored and the use of that data, given it's arriving via an email address

I expect it’s to stop accounts like the ‘STFC fans questions’ on twitter just sending loads through.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 11:41:51
I've no issue with it. Football fans questions inevitably attract mongs and if it stops shite questions like that div moaning about the word punter then its a good thing.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:00:28
I see this as a lack of transparency.
The trust are receiving and processing the questions and have put up an easily stepped over barrier.
They've said 100% of questions get an official response now, so what benefit is there to having a name?
It's very strange, unless they want to save the 20% of resources not responding to unnamed questions


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:00:42
The OSC send out an email before the meeting asking if anyone has any questions to ask, will presumably pass on the name rather than grouping them together


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:03:25
And shortly after that, the June minutes have been posted: https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/june/club-releases-june-advisory-board-minutes/

My notes:

- Season ticket sales at 4.4k
- Kits to come end of June
- Lots of ground maintenance happening (not just the pitch)
- Trust has sold 1,531 voting shares of the CG
- First ever (brief) mention of Chris Kiely in the Advisory Board that I remember - "Chris Kiely provides data consultancy that will support the recruitment which Michael Flynn is undertaking"
- S & C being brought in house


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:03:33
No issues with that as long as individual names are not logged and kept anywhere.

We don't want a scenario whereby person x asks lots of questions and then ends up being either publicly chastised or receive a ban for asking awkward questions.

There maybe certain individuals that know certain things and can offer more in-depth questions, but they would not want their name logged anywhere.

I would hope this would not stop the trust et all asking the tough questions and publishing them.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:08:01
"For the 23/24 season the Medical and S&C team will be a fully in-house STFC team"

No more Adam Hart?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:09:26
Hopefully


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:11:15
I would hope this would not stop the trust et all asking the tough questions and publishing them.

Is that not the point? Don't want to harm the special relationship...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:23:06
No issues with that as long as individual names are not logged and kept anywhere.

We don't want a scenario whereby person x asks lots of questions and then ends up being either publicly chastised or receive a ban for asking awkward questions.

There maybe certain individuals that know certain things and can offer more in-depth questions, but they would not want their name logged anywhere.
This is one of my issues with this change.
It's solving a problem that doesn't exist and potentially creates a bigger problem for the questioner


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:26:36
Quote from: Mooneyraker
"For the 23/24 season the Medical and S&C team will be a fully in-house STFC team"

No more Adam Hart?


or he's on the books now 😁


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:31:15
Quote from: Quagmire
As far as I can see, there is nothing stopping anyone setting up a fake Twitter, or email account, using a false name. Which would take all of 2 minutes.

I. P. Freely
Seymour Butts
Mike Rotch...

Bart Simpson can be educational


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:34:54
It says the name etc won’t be published in the minutes etc but I guess the big question is does the club see the name of the person asking the question? If they do and someone asks a question or makes an accusation the club don’t like what’s to stop them taking action such as imposing a ban or issuing warnings to that person?

Also if the name of the person is disclosed to the club as a separate organisation surely this puts everyone into an iffy position with regards to data protection and GDPR?

Really there needs to be an ironclad commitment that the names of people aren’t passed on to the club either formally or informally otherwise people are less likely to raise anything overly controversial.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:35:24
Regarding the questions.

Shouldn't full (or as near as) transparency work both ways?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:39:22
Regarding the questions.

Shouldn't full (or as near as) transparency work both ways?
you could make the argument but the article says the name won't appear. so it's redundant data


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:47:31
I don't have any issues with the requirement of a name - because I still think the Q&A is a false transparency.  It enables daft questions to be asked that don't help anyone, and allows potentially important questions to be answered with one sentence vagueness.

There is a fairly decent question in there about the missing roles/people at the club, but it's answered in a politicians way because the questioner cannot re-word, push for a more specific answer or adjust their line of questioning based on the responses being received.  The Trust should take that role and have proper discussion around subjects.

The specifics of that question seemed to be aimed at determining what internal structure the business would adopt to ensure we had the correct focus on Ticketing/Retail/Commercial/Finance, and that the right people were being sought to fill those roles at the right levels.  Now, it's entirely possible we have a million different opinions on what good would actually look like, and we could even debate whether or not it's even important or not for fans to know (should they know or care?), but the answer was just a sort of - yeah, we are working on it.  I'd like to know what they are working on, how will it all shake out and why they think that is going to work best.  Why do I want to know that? because from the outside it looks like the operation is a bit of a mess, which can sometimes be a pre-cursor to longer term problems and issues (the Diamondis days did not start with some big obvious theft).  It's not that we should assume the worst, just that if a club tries to offer Transparency as a key deliverable, fucking do it.  Properly.

Again, as an outsider looking in, this is a big area where it looks like the Trust is missing a trick.  It's like they need to have two different operations in play now - one group of experts who focus on running the the Stadium JV and another group who run the usual Trust activity.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:49:22
you could make the argument but the article says the name won't appear. so it's redundant data

Ah ok, that's fair enough in terms of protecting individual privacy.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:57:41
I don't have any issues with the requirement of a name - because I still think the Q&A is a false transparency.  It enables daft questions to be asked that don't help anyone, and allows potentially important questions to be answered with one sentence vagueness.

There is a fairly decent question in there about the missing roles/people at the club, but it's answered in a politicians way because the questioner cannot re-word, push for a more specific answer or adjust their line of questioning based on the responses being received.  The Trust should take that role and have proper discussion around subjects.

The specifics of that question seemed to be aimed at determining what internal structure the business would adopt to ensure we had the correct focus on Ticketing/Retail/Commercial/Finance, and that the right people were being sought to fill those roles at the right levels.  Now, it's entirely possible we have a million different opinions on what good would actually look like, and we could even debate whether or not it's even important or not for fans to know (should they know or care?), but the answer was just a sort of - yeah, we are working on it.  I'd like to know what they are working on, how will it all shake out and why they think that is going to work best.  Why do I want to know that? because from the outside it looks like the operation is a bit of a mess, which can sometimes be a pre-cursor to longer term problems and issues (the Diamondis days did not start with some big obvious theft).  It's not that we should assume the worst, just that if a club tries to offer Transparency as a key deliverable, fucking do it.  Properly.

Again, as an outsider looking in, this is a big area where it looks like the Trust is missing a trick.  It's like they need to have two different operations in play now - one group of experts who focus on running the the Stadium JV and another group who run the usual Trust activity.

The Trust treat the club as if it's a supporter owned one, and that the Chairman just happens to be the top dog. It's not the cautious, cordial pragmatism of the Power era and questioning that closeness gets people's backs up. You have to wonder why.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 12:59:08
It's entirely possible I'm starting to overthink this...but how can you ask questions of the board?
- Email the trust
- Email the supporters trust
- Reply on twitter

All of these give a contact method (email address or twitter handle), having a name solves nothing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 13:01:05
Thing is do all questions asked get answered in the minutes or do they get sorted through and certain omitted?

Looking at some of the shite that pops up on STFC SM I wonder whether there are fans asking things like 'Why is Zav such a cunt' and then getting all shirty and aggressive behind the scenes if the question isn't being asked.

TBH they should be named just so we could know what twat can't spell Blaydon!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 13:04:56
It's entirely possible I'm starting to overthink this...but how can you ask questions of the board?
- Email the trust
- Email the supporters trust
- Reply on twitter

All of these give a contact method (email address or twitter handle), having a name solves nothing
Imagine that leads more to the twitter handles that likely send in absolute bollocks. They have answered some pretty shitty questions so i don't think theyre avoiding it and they are likely getting lots of nonsense from email addreeses like [email protected]  :D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 13:13:39
I don't have any issues with the requirement of a name - because I still think the Q&A is a false transparency.  It enables daft questions to be asked that don't help anyone, and allows potentially important questions to be answered with one sentence vagueness.

There is a fairly decent question in there about the missing roles/people at the club, but it's answered in a politicians way because the questioner cannot re-word, push for a more specific answer or adjust their line of questioning based on the responses being received.  The Trust should take that role and have proper discussion around subjects.

The specifics of that question seemed to be aimed at determining what internal structure the business would adopt to ensure we had the correct focus on Ticketing/Retail/Commercial/Finance, and that the right people were being sought to fill those roles at the right levels.  Now, it's entirely possible we have a million different opinions on what good would actually look like, and we could even debate whether or not it's even important or not for fans to know (should they know or care?), but the answer was just a sort of - yeah, we are working on it.  I'd like to know what they are working on, how will it all shake out and why they think that is going to work best.  Why do I want to know that? because from the outside it looks like the operation is a bit of a mess, which can sometimes be a pre-cursor to longer term problems and issues (the Diamondis days did not start with some big obvious theft).  It's not that we should assume the worst, just that if a club tries to offer Transparency as a key deliverable, fucking do it.  Properly.

Again, as an outsider looking in, this is a big area where it looks like the Trust is missing a trick.  It's like they need to have two different operations in play now - one group of experts who focus on running the the Stadium JV and another group who run the usual Trust activity.

Exactly this.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 13:15:05
How dare you doxx me like this!!!

They've replied to my tweets saying that 100% of questions get an official response. I imagine there is a triage before things go to the board (else the minutes might be "question 5 - why are we such expletives?").
Just don't take questions over twitter - you'll get less reactive replies and you'll have an email address to reply to. Simple innit


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 13:52:33
I don't have any issues with the requirement of a name - because I still think the Q&A is a false transparency.  It enables daft questions to be asked that don't help anyone, and allows potentially important questions to be answered with one sentence vagueness.

There is a fairly decent question in there about the missing roles/people at the club, but it's answered in a politicians way because the questioner cannot re-word, push for a more specific answer or adjust their line of questioning based on the responses being received.  The Trust should take that role and have proper discussion around subjects.

The specifics of that question seemed to be aimed at determining what internal structure the business would adopt to ensure we had the correct focus on Ticketing/Retail/Commercial/Finance, and that the right people were being sought to fill those roles at the right levels.  Now, it's entirely possible we have a million different opinions on what good would actually look like, and we could even debate whether or not it's even important or not for fans to know (should they know or care?), but the answer was just a sort of - yeah, we are working on it.  I'd like to know what they are working on, how will it all shake out and why they think that is going to work best.  Why do I want to know that? because from the outside it looks like the operation is a bit of a mess, which can sometimes be a pre-cursor to longer term problems and issues (the Diamondis days did not start with some big obvious theft).  It's not that we should assume the worst, just that if a club tries to offer Transparency as a key deliverable, fucking do it.  Properly.

Again, as an outsider looking in, this is a big area where it looks like the Trust is missing a trick.  It's like they need to have two different operations in play now - one group of experts who focus on running the the Stadium JV and another group who run the usual Trust activity.


There was a couple of questions about internal roles which was answered thus - 'Work is progressing with certain key appointments soon to be made. The Club is always looking to be as efficient as possible to ensure sustainability and to invest as much as possible into the football side of the business' and 'Work is progressing in filling key roles. We have filled key roles in Finance, Ticketing, Retail and Media but always looking to be as efficient as possible to drive a sustainable football club and invest as much as possible into the playing squad'. I suppose they are being honest that the playing squad rightly gets investment, but I do hope strides are made off the pitch to get things right off as well. Of course the most important thing for fans is that we win games, but surely having the groundwork done properly is key to becoming a well oiled machine?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 13:57:54
Thing is do all questions asked get answered in the minutes or do they get sorted through and certain omitted?

Looking at some of the shite that pops up on STFC SM I wonder whether there are fans asking things like 'Why is Zav such a cunt' and then getting all shirty and aggressive behind the scenes if the question isn't being asked.

TBH they should be named just so we could know what twat can't spell Blaydon!

I wonder how many pairs of walking boots that bloke has, he sure likes a ramble! All joking aside, he makes a very good point and whilst I think a Male voice choir is probably not what we need, a trusty songbook to build up the atmosphere isn't a bad thing. 3 or 4 recognisable and easy to sing Swindon favourites back to back could work. XTC - Senses working overtime - Elvis/UB40 - I can't help must be top of the list.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 14:07:59
Promotion to L1 should see a need for scaling up in terms of back office ops.
Much more so if we were to ever to reach the Championship.

Don't see much of a problem with the current approach as long as the key areas of club secretary & financial control are filled with a degree of competence.

Just a waste of energy to complain about it ad nauseum.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 19:04:56
I wonder what Power's strategy would have been if we'd got in the championship within five years🤔


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 08:51:20
Be interesting to see what happens with Sonny Hart IF Adam is no longer involved with the club.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 08:57:07
I wonder what Power's strategy would have been if we'd got in the championship within five years🤔

Sell for a profit and then move on.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 09:52:21
Be interesting to see what happens with Sonny Hart IF Adam is no longer involved with the club.

I had it in my head he was genuinely there on merit, not a Curran. Buggered if I know who told me that.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 09:53:14
Yes, heard he is considered the real deal from a few people.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 09:56:04
Be interesting to see what happens with Sonny Hart IF Adam is no longer involved with the club.
I have been told from a few people he is of a very good standard and has been scouted by Premiership teams.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 09:58:20
Be interesting to see what happens with Sonny Hart IF Adam is no longer involved with the club.

Has Adam parted ways then?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 11:03:26
Yeah, It wasn't a Curran style statement from me, from what I have heard he is a prospect, and we don't know if Adam will move on from the decision to bring S&C in house, he might be part of that plan, which is why I said IF.

Just interested if it will affect his prospects of continuing playing for the club, it shouldn't, but everyone knows that nepotism is quite rife in footballing circles..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 11:07:27
Yeah, It wasn't a Curran style statement from me, from what I have heard he is a prospect, and we don't know if Adam will move on from the decision to bring S&C in house, he might be part of that plan, which is why I said IF.

Just interested if it will affect his prospects of continuing playing for the club, it shouldn't, but everyone knows that nepotism is quite rife in footballing circles..

From the little i've seen of him he looks quite capable, certainly not out of his depth!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 11:24:48

There was a couple of questions about internal roles which was answered thus - 'Work is progressing with certain key appointments soon to be made. The Club is always looking to be as efficient as possible to ensure sustainability and to invest as much as possible into the football side of the business' and 'Work is progressing in filling key roles. We have filled key roles in Finance, Ticketing, Retail and Media but always looking to be as efficient as possible to drive a sustainable football club and invest as much as possible into the playing squad'. I suppose they are being honest that the playing squad rightly gets investment, but I do hope strides are made off the pitch to get things right off as well. Of course the most important thing for fans is that we win games, but surely having the groundwork done properly is key to becoming a well oiled machine?

If they have appointed staff to key roles, would it not be nice for the club to announce it, i.e Billy Big balls has joined the stfc finance team as financial controller he joins with a vast amount of experience in finance having worked for x,y & z previously.
We look forward to working with Billy etc etc



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:40:17
July minutes available

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/advisory-board-minutes-july-2023/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:42:31
Adam Hart remaining with the first team despite his company no longer providing their services! Interesting…


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:02:00
This made me laugh more than it probably should have done -

"DR Statue - Out sculptor Alan Herriott has spent a considerable amount of time trying to get an accurate likeness of Don but messaged this week to explain he is not happy with the current version and will remove the head completely to work on it close-up (he was previously working on it from a ladder and looking from below). This will add a slight delay but will improve the outcome"


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:02:19
Quote
Why do the club completely neglect media outlets such as the LSPOD and Fools Rush in? Is it because they
speak with honesty and don’t completely panda down to the club?

Panda!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:03:55
I really can't read some of the 'fans' questions in the advisory board minuets without cringing.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:06:58
One of the questions is literally "where has the Twine money gone?" as well.

The questions are not a great support to my general opinion that our fans are no worse than anyone else's.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:08:11
Panda!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I was literally about to post that!!

Maybe we're going to replace the Robin with a Panda! :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:10:15
Panda!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I blame Bamboo


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:12:38
Goes to show what a farce a Fans Forum would be.

Even some of the more nuanced and small detailed ones, which are not to be dismissed, like the water dispensing one.  There is actually a good business opportunity here that could be tied to sustainability - people purchase a souvenir cup that can be used to refill with tap water (seen these at Train stations in London on my recent visit).  However it just gets batted back with a fuck no, it's basically water from the bogs mate.  I mean, come on, put some effort in people (club side) and you want to be able to discuss this idea in detail, not out in the open like this for throw away answers.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:16:09
Whilst the fans questions aren't amazing, I do think the answers are a bit short and staccato.

For example the one about Greg Norman gave the club an opportunity to thank the man that basically did 3 roles. The response was just to say that new roles had been filled and repeat the matra that "Club will look to run as efficiently as possible off the field"


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:18:11
Whilst the fans questions aren't amazing, I do think the answers are a bit short and staccato.

For example the one about Greg Norman gave the club an opportunity to thank the man that basically did 3 roles. The response was just to say that new roles had been filled and repeat the matra that "Club will look to run as efficiently as possible off the field"

I raised this a while back, around how the Trust should be doing this in a more considered manner rather than it being a list of questions with a sentence answer.  It should be a series of discussions, get into the detail, then provide summary outputs, but certainly a two way discussion occurring, or a sense of one.  The three in a row where they end-up using "see above" make it obvious this is just an e-mailed list with someone quickly penning some responses.

In fact, they could have selection of discussions around key topics (which can indeed come from supporter feedback to the Trust).

The entire things seems to have become a bit tick boxey


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:19:57
I did think the same regarding the three in a row answers as above.....next question!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:27:45
Goes to show what a farce a Fans Forum would be.

Even some of the more nuanced and small detailed ones, which are not to be dismissed, like the water dispensing one.  There is actually a good business opportunity here that could be tied to sustainability - people purchase a souvenir cup that can be used to refill with tap water (seen these at Train stations in London on my recent visit).  However it just gets batted back with a fuck no, it's basically water from the bogs mate.  I mean, come on, put some effort in people (club side) and you want to be able to discuss this idea in detail, not out in the open like this for throw away answers.

I raised this a while back, around how the Trust should be doing this in a more considered manner rather than it being a list of questions with a sentence answer.  It should be a series of discussions, get into the detail, then provide summary outputs, but certainly a two way discussion occurring, or a sense of one.  The three in a row where they end-up using "see above" make it obvious this is just an e-mailed list with someone quickly penning some responses.

In fact, they could have selection of discussions around key topics (which can indeed come from supporter feedback to the Trust).

The entire things seems to have become a bit tick boxey

Spot on. That water refill question actually irked me a little. The guy takes his kid to the games, and he wants to refill his STFC branded water bottle. Yes the club have confirmed that the water from the tap isn't to be drunk, but why not use it as an opportunity. Even if they said 'we'll take this idea forward with Michael Doughty' or something. It does come across as not much effort going into it.

And the headless Don Rogers statue sounds very Frank Spencer!! :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:31:18
The club do like to bask in the reflected glory of the Community Foundation’s work don’t they?

I would like to know what the annual running costs of the women’s team are…

Is Adam Hart the S&C equivalent of a “matchday guest” now?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:36:04
I keep seeing people talking about the club breaking their promises about early signings. I think i've found the bit that people are referring to in the April minutes

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-april-2023.pdf

"The club understands the concerns raised by the fans about the recent performance of the team and we also appreciate the continued support of our fans and are committed to improving the team's performance. Early signings are important, and we are already actively working to identify and sign new players to strengthen the team for next year. While we cannot reveal our budget numbers, we assure you that the club is committed to investing in the team and pushing for promotion in 23/24."


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:38:28
I see there is a new fan's forum but no Clem and they want to charge £5 for entrance


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:42:03
I have to say that some of these answers are insultingly perfunctory, even if the questions are largely absolute dross.

It’s like the work experience guy was given a crib sheet and 20 mins to deal with it.

Not great “customer service” but quite expected sadly.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:44:28
I see there is a new fan's forum but no Clem and they want to charge £5 for entrance

Should be free but for context it is for charity it isn't for them


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:46:42
Should be free but for context it is for charity it isn't for them

For the Darby Rimmer foundation if i'm not mistaken. I don't think a fiver contribution to a charity is too much to ask for really is it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 15:55:09
For the Darby Rimmer foundation if i'm not mistaken. I don't think a fiver contribution to a charity is too much to ask for really is it?

I disagree here. And yes it feels like I  moan about everything.

The forum is part of the commitment to the fans (customer) charter. This should be open to everyone who wants to go. I doubt there are that many that can't afford it in general, but it does feel to me like the two should be separated so it isn't an issue -  I see this as a club obligation.

Maybe optional/collection/raffle would be my preference.

Nothing against the hard working OSC, and I can think of no better charity for them to support.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:04:28
Also not sure they get a free pass to blanket say that the club has been run very poorly for 30 years…

The club under Andrew Black ran like a purring Rolls Royce compared to now.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:06:45
Also not sure they get a free pass to blanket say that the club has been run very poorly for 30 years…

The club under Andrew Black ran like a purring Rolls Royce compared to now.

Yeah. Angus should know better, the rest might not be aware.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:11:28
I disagree here. And yes it feels like I  moan about everything.

The forum is part of the commitment to the fans (customer) charter. This should be open to everyone who wants to go. I doubt there are that many that can't afford it in general, but it does feel to me like the two should be separated so it isn't an issue -  I see this as a club obligation.

Maybe optional/collection/raffle would be my preference.

Nothing against the hard working OSC, and I can think of no better charity for them to support.

Totally agree, if they want to donate a fiver then donate the fivers they are charging for a photo at the other event.

I have said it often now i would actually do away with these minutes as over time it just creates more questions and in turn apathy. These notes should be a good thing but all fans will take from this is the following

Hart
No water
flippant responses
A fiver to what should be free
No bike racks
Don Rogers has no head



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:13:04
I have said it often now i would actually do away with these minutes as over time it just creates more questions and in turn apathy.

I see your point but the contrary will be "what are they hiding". I like the minutes myself.

On Hart, I assume he is now employed by the club?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:15:34
We can't even afford fresh running water!  Can we ask Comic Relief if they can send one of the stars down with a pump and dig a well?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:23:36
We can't even afford fresh running water!  Can we ask Comic Relief if they can send one of the stars down with a pump and dig a well?

I’d genuinely question the legality of holding large scale events without potable water…

You’ve got to think drinking water is a pre-requisite as part of their license to hold events with 10k plus people.

I know it’s Somerset but:

https://www.somerset.gov.uk/environment-and-food-safety/water-supplies-at-events/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:26:23
I’d genuinely question the legality of holding large scale events without potable water…

You’ve got to think drinking water is a pre-requisite as part of their license to hold events with 10k plus people.

I know it’s Somerset but:

https://www.somerset.gov.uk/environment-and-food-safety/water-supplies-at-events/

In all seriousness, I would like to think they are responding in a far too literal way to a question asked, and referencing a very specific tap in a very specific location, but you never know.  I am 99% sure I remember the club even doing a partnership with Thames Water back when I worked for them.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:30:06
In all seriousness, I would like to think they are responding in a far too literal way to a question asked, and referencing a very specific tap in a very specific location, but you never know.  I am 99% sure I remember the club even doing a partnership with Thames Water back when I worked for them.

You’d hope… but then do these taps have “Do not drink” signage…?

It’s a new can of worms every month with this format as it is. They’d be better off just going back to doing a BBC Wilts phone in.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:34:38
https://www.miw.co.uk/projects/transport-for-london/

https://www.thameswater.co.uk/about-us/responsibility/water-fountains

Something like this is where the creative response should end-up, if they took their time to think about it.  Get the supplier in as a Sponsor, get Doughty engaged to front it, get good school boy marks for sustainability and respond in a more creative fashion than worrying everyone that they could get Legionaries disease or something.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:37:18
Then set-up a small concession flogging the bottles at every match and in the club shop.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:42:16
You googling that is more effort than anyone at the club is prepared to put in at the moment.

Hardly does much to dispel the sense that Doughty’s role is just a virtue signalling mirage for the club.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:45:04
I have said it often now i would actually do away with these minutes as over time it just creates more questions and in turn apathy. These notes should be a good thing but all fans will take from this is the following

Hart
No water
flippant responses
A fiver to what should be free
No bike racks
Don Rogers has no head
I made the point to the trust that having questions and answers numbered could give people an idea of the volume of questions and the ability to refer to previous answers ("see answer 112") might head off some repetitive stuff.

I think the whole idea of the advisory board needs to be looked at and a new charter set up, cos Flynn isn't going to pop along and tell people his wish list of players (no matter how many times people ask). It smacks of a perfunctory function


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 16:51:30
This body isn’t even serving as an advisory board under any definition of that as far as these minutes suggest.

It’s just a reactive shitshow that exposes the club’s ineptitude and overall shadiness on a monthly basis.

You can’t just say “Adam Hart is staying” and not have to explain that? Did the Trust challenge that? Did they bollocks.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 17:09:39
Also not sure they get a free pass to blanket say that the club has been run very poorly for 30 years…

The club under Andrew Black ran like a purring Rolls Royce compared to now.

I wouldn't say it was a purring Rolls Royce, more like a basket case with wheels and an owner that was being convinced to pay for a F1 sized mechanics team to service it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 17:20:07
I have never really understood why we didn't get our house more under order during the Fitton period. We had money and proper business people around the club.

Those Di Canio years were incredible, but imagine if that money had been spent more wisely at that point. 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 17:25:43
I wouldn't say it was a purring Rolls Royce, more like a basket case with wheels and an owner that was being convinced to pay for a F1 sized mechanics team to service it.

And nor did I. I said it was compared to now.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 17:39:07
This body isn’t even serving as an advisory board under any definition of that as far as these minutes suggest.

It’s just a reactive shitshow that exposes the club’s ineptitude and overall shadiness on a monthly basis.

You can’t just say “Adam Hart is staying” and not have to explain that? Did the Trust challenge that? Did they bollocks.
TBF though they can. They have explained his role and Clem has publicly said that he is aware of his past and wants to give him another chance . Fans are aware of his past they are not hiding it they have openly just said in their minutes that he is still involved 



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:13:35
And nor did I. I said it was compared to now.

Alright Salty, I was just posting a jovial response, i wasn't critiquing your post..  blimey, fun this place innit..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:17:33
Without me going through the advisory notes. What is the Headless Don Rogers joke about?

And what is the latest on Hart?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:20:47
Alright Salty, I was just posting a jovial response, i wasn't critiquing your post..  blimey, fun this place innit..
Shut up you prick


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:24:21
Shut up you prick

Don't you fucking start...  had enough of you getting chopsey on SM..  fucking keyboard warrior..

 :smugfu:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:29:54
AB minutes confirmed that we are still using Chris Kieley’s data system. Is that a shock to people?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:31:01
Alright Salty, I was just posting a jovial response, i wasn't critiquing your post..  blimey, fun this place innit..

Sorry!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:31:23
AB minutes confirmed that we are still using Chris Kieley’s data system. Is that a shock to people?

No - it was confirmed in the prior minutes as well.  They can use Football Manager for all I care - the critical role is the person deciding who to buy and that at least seems to be someone with experience now in Flynn.  I never had any issue with the prior approach, just the implementation.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:35:56
No - it was confirmed in the prior minutes as well.  They can use Football Manager for all I care - the critical role is the person deciding who to buy and that at least seems to be someone with experience now in Flynn.  I never had any issue with the prior approach, just the implementation.
That's the most reassuring thing for me. You would hope the model they use will produce a few more like Clayton and Cain(not everyone agrees) and less Adeloyes. Good news is we have not gone on a scatter gun approach like last summer


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:43:38
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
Without me going through the advisory notes. What is the Headless Don Rogers joke about?

Adeloye was on shooting practice while Don was in the Town End getting ready to talk to the FITC course kids.

inevitably Adeloye knocked Dons head clean off with a shot. Now whenever a full moon coincides with a match day Saturday, some say Headless Don dons the Town End again.

That or the statue sculpture didn't like how statue Don was looking and lopped his head off so he could work close quarters rather than from a ladder


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:48:09
Adeloye was on shooting practice while Don was in the Town End getting ready to talk to the FITC course kids.

inevitably Adeloye knocked Dons head clean off with a shot. Now whenever a full moon coincides with a match day Saturday, some say Headless Don dons the Town End again.

That or the statue sculpture didn't like how statue Don was looking and lopped his head off so he could work close quarters rather than from a ladder

One does have to wonder whether a larger ladder would have done the job, rather than decapitation!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:56:24
I think he got mixed up and thought he was making one of Dean Hooper, so headless chicken in brass is what we have.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 18:59:36
It wouldn't surprise me given the various shenanigans going on at the club, if the statue is unveiled and has a passing resemblance to Lee Power, or Mike Diamandis.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 07:42:26
Then set-up a small concession flogging the bottles at every match and in the club shop.

Partner with a local authority for refilling station(s), get branded clear plastic cups, sell them for £3... it's easy when you consider it for at least two minutes isn't it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 09:03:00
AB minutes confirmed that we are still using Chris Kieley’s data system. Is that a shock to people?

Not for me, I said as much on a thread a few weeks ago.  I said something along the lines of, instead of using it 80% of the time like last year, we are using it 20% of the time to provide data for proposed signings - but it's still being used and Chris Kieley is the one providing it.  I also said that I think it's a positive thing and the use of it should be increased over time, which is the way they should of implementted it last year.

When you look at clubs that have implemented it, it has been introduced and grown momentum over the course of 5-10 years, not a two footed approach in one season.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 09:13:17
I’d question how Chris Kielys system benchmarks versus other industry standards. I assume we’re using it because it’s cheaper than Wyescout - but is it comparable?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 09:29:16
I’d question how Chris Kielys system benchmarks versus other industry standards. I assume we’re using it because it’s cheaper than Wyescout - but is it comparable?

Perhaps they are using it as well as..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 09:37:39
Notts County aren't doing too badly either by going all in on one football data platform. Brentford applied the same approach too. Think what was said previously about Kiely, can't recall where, was that it's not just the providing of a platform, but the model builder/algorithm applied to determine a shortlist of players, separating out the good from the bad. Was convinced over a long period of time it could achieve upwards success. I know this will set up some jokes and quips about last season.

Completely agree with what Berniman says, it's effectiveness is over a 5 year or so period rather than 2 windows.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 10:42:08
Partner with a local authority for refilling station(s), get branded clear plastic cups, sell them for £3... it's easy when you consider it for at least two minutes isn't it?
It is but have you seen it any any other club. Even at Spurs it says non drinking water


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 10:49:25
It is but have you seen it any any other club. Even at Spurs it says non drinking water

I suspect because if you want to offer it as drinking water it has to be tested regularly, plus, from personal experience, its a total ball ache and incredibly expensive to work with the water companies to a position that they will work with you thus, especially in metering terms.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 10:51:52
Yeah exactly. It goes back to my main point really. By opening themselves up to this question they are now being battered for it. Even on here some are making out like they are being forced to drink out the wells of africa


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 10:54:10
Which is why this is a bad format. Someone can ask "What is the club's action plan in the event of a meteor strike" and then people can pull their answer apart.

Just get Aberdeen on BBC Wilts once a month for an hour long phone in.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 11:05:35
Yeah exactly. It goes back to my main point really. By opening themselves up to this question they are now being battered for it. Even on here some are making out like they are being forced to drink out the wells of africa

The way I look at it another way that the reason they are being 'battered' for it was the poor answering of the question. A fan, who takes his son to the Junior Reds room with his STFC branded water bottle would like to refill that bottle with water if possible.

Part of the answer has been fulfilled that says don't use the water supply as it's tank water. But why end that question so abruptly? Could they not state they might look into solutions that allows children access to water in the Junior Reds room? If I was the fan that raised the question I'd be pretty disappointed with that response.

I'm a bit of a sucker for decent customer service and for me, I don't see much here. I think the club could have done much better.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 11:08:10
The way I look at it another way that the reason they are being 'battered' for it was the poor answering of the question. A fan, who takes his son to the Junior Reds room with his STFC branded water bottle would like to refill that bottle with water if possible.

Part of the answer has been fulfilled that says don't use the water supply as it's tank water. But why end that question so abruptly? Could they not state they might look into solutions that allows children access to water in the Junior Reds room? If I was the fan that raised the question I'd be pretty disappointed with that response.

I'm a bit of a sucker for decent customer service and for me, I don't see much here. I think the club could have done much better.

Agreed.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 11:56:36
The way I look at it another way that the reason they are being 'battered' for it was the poor answering of the question. A fan, who takes his son to the Junior Reds room with his STFC branded water bottle would like to refill that bottle with water if possible.

Part of the answer has been fulfilled that says don't use the water supply as it's tank water. But why end that question so abruptly? Could they not state they might look into solutions that allows children access to water in the Junior Reds room? If I was the fan that raised the question I'd be pretty disappointed with that response.

I'm a bit of a sucker for decent customer service and for me, I don't see much here. I think the club could have done much better.
That's exactly what i just said . Their answers aren't good enough and if they are going to provide answers like that then they need to pull these minutes. No other club does it and no one seems to take much apart from anger at them so fuck them off.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 11:59:36
Also it's worth remembering that the owner of the football club, is a fucking plumber by trade!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:01:31
All they have done is say don't drink from the taps tbf. The way they have answered it is the issue not that they don't want people drinking from the taps


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:03:11
All they have done is say don't drink from the taps tbf. The way they have answered it is the issue not that they don't want people drinking from the taps

I agree with you. The African well response I suspect was tongue in cheek!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:04:39
Also it's worth remembering that the owner of the football club, is a fucking plumber by trade!

I make that joke whenever I see the tap in the Arkells khazi that has been running continuously for approx 30 years.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:13:28
I make that joke whenever I see the tap in the Arkells khazi that has been running continuously for approx 30 years.

That's why we're not making any signings. We've a water bill of over a million quid to settle! :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:38:13
Also it's worth remembering that the owner of the football club, is a fucking plumber by trade!

Not sure plumbers have the ability to make water potable, if he were Jesus maybe?.....

I make that joke whenever I see the tap in the Arkells khazi that has been running continuously for approx 30 years.

I suspect that is actually the real reason, if its potable it has to be metered


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:39:39
I agree with you. The African well response I suspect was tongue in cheek!

It was - but the responses the club give do give a small insight into the frame of mind they have strategically and operationally.

It's clear, to me and in my opinion, that the responses show that the club ahs limited resources behind the scenes and no intent whatsoever to do anything about that.  That question is an open door to do something more, something creative.  At least to come up with an answer, even short of the limited suggestion I came up with with 20 minutes research, that comes up with a solution for such a problem.  It may be one fan, or many, but there is likely something they can do, even if the tap in question is not a great source for drinking water right now.  To answer it as they do, shows it's a case of we have five things we can afford to work on, we are working on them, fucked if we are going to do anything else.  BUT they think offering this platform ticks the open and honest box.  It has the potential to be something of great benefit, but it is not used as such.  Hence why I agree with DMC, for maybe different reasons, just stop it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:41:11
Not sure plumbers have the ability to make water potable, if he were Jesus maybe?.....

I suspect that is actually the real reason, if its potable it has to be metered

The club are most certainly on mains supply and metered, they have done a couple of joint partnerships with Thames Water down the years, the most recent being 3 years ago where they allegedly saved millions of litres of water a year.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 10:51:27
They have installed 30 at Wembley so four wouldn't be a huge ask - and there are initiatives/sponsors etc you can get on board with...

https://www.miw.co.uk/projects/wembley-football-stadium/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 12:45:19
Let's face it Doughty isn't a real Chief Sustainability Officer, or we'd be all over proper schemes like this. He's no more than dear old Zav Austin: a matchday guest. Not quite sure why Doughty went along with the charade to be honest.

 


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:08:12
Doughty being involved has always looked like a marriage of convenience.  A way of him being able to raise the profile of his business and we get to use some fancy in vouge words for marketing purposes.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 25, 2023, 13:42:52
August minutes out

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/advisory-board-minutes-august-2023/


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:06:18
The elephant in the room is not addressed, unless ctrl+f for "shares" and "ownership" has let me down. I suppose the meeting was probably held before it all kicked off, but does give the whole thing a bit of a vibe of Chernobyl Town Council reporting on local road closures and plans for the village fete.

Very few updates to any of the key points, some nice bits about the STFC Museum which will rather get lost in the shuffle.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:11:39
The elephant in the room is not addressed, unless ctrl+f for "shares" and "ownership" has let me down. I suppose the meeting was probably held before it all kicked off, but does give the whole thing a bit of a vibe of Chernobyl Town Council reporting on local road closures and plans for the village fete.

Very few updates to any of the key points, some nice bits about the STFC Museum which will rather get lost in the shuffle.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

It really is a tinpot document now. Gets worse every month. One page we have sold 4,900 season tickets, the next it is 5,000.

'county ground' without capital letters, etc etc. PLEASE STOP DOING THIS!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:15:06
This is my favourite part

Quote
Football Association Investigation
The Club has been charged with a breach of the FA's funding regulations relating to the previous owner and alleged funding relationships he had in place. The Club will defend its position and likely plead mitigation given that Clem had no knowledge of these arrangements, and the Club is now being run in an open, transparent and proper manner.

 :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:19:55
This is my favourite part

 :girlgiggle:

It's just embarrassing... :crash:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:32:06
The bit about Season Tickets I *think* is untrue.

"Season tickets - so many went missing in the post last year, we opted for collections this year. Emails were sent out but we can only send them to people who have opted into the tickets marketing emails due to GDPR. We did have postage requests which we have dealt with"


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:35:39
Also the bit about the disabled tickets, doesn't seem to be particularly answered in a very warm and fuzzy way -

Q - There needs to be a system where disabled members can buy tickets online without having to wait
over an hour to call the ticket line. You can’t buy a carer ticket online, even if you have a season ticket

A - if we put them online, anyone will be able to buy them and unfortunately, we do have the minority who take advantage of this

I can see the angle the club are coming from, but surely this is the same with Under 18 tickets as well as over 65s? I mean if people are buying disabled tickets when they are not disabled, that's pretty disgusting. Surely the abuse of the other age groups is more prevalent?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:39:04
The response to cashless parking and potential discrimination to old timers who love cash money was poor


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:39:39
The response to cashless parking and potential discrimination to old timers who love cash money was poor

'Deal with it' perchance?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:39:50
A lot of the responses should be "Yeah, nice idea in theory but it's too much effort. Sorry."


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:42:16
'Deal with it' perchance?
:smugfu: more efficient and less risk for the club  :smugfu:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:43:17
The elephant in the room is not addressed, unless ctrl+f for "shares" and "ownership" has let me down. I suppose the meeting was probably held before it all kicked off, but does give the whole thing a bit of a vibe of Chernobyl Town Council reporting on local road closures and plans for the village fete.

Very few updates to any of the key points, some nice bits about the STFC Museum which will rather get lost in the shuffle.

Also, I know there is a game tomorrow but I don't think the club actually tweeted the availability of the minutes as per previous months? Someone in the Q&A section stated they couldn't find July's minutes. (the 'search' function comes in handy here) I'm (not really) surprised they didn't suggest updating the website to have a specific dropdown so people can easily find the historical minutes.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:47:50
Also, I know there is a game tomorrow but I don't think the club actually tweeted the availability of the minutes as per previous months? Someone in the Q&A section stated they couldn't find July's minutes. (the 'search' function comes in handy here) I'm (not really) surprised they didn't suggest updating the website to have a specific dropdown so people can easily find the historical minutes.

Based on these particular minutes (which, I'm willing to accept, are unfortunate in the meeting being held before the companies house stuff and the minutes only being available now, I think it was probably wise not to draw attention to them. Big month next month to see to what extent the Advisory Board will address these issues - I'm sure with all the openness and transparency that the site and minutes are very happy to claim.

The bit about Season Tickets I *think* is untrue.

"Season tickets - so many went missing in the post last year, we opted for collections this year. Emails were sent out but we can only send them to people who have opted into the tickets marketing emails due to GDPR. We did have postage requests which we have dealt with"

Yeah, you do not need to be opted in to marketing emails to get updates on an actual order with a company, that's just basic.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:50:04
Yeah I can totally understand why they didn't do it this time.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:05:43
Quote from: Nemo
Yeah, you do not need to be opted in to marketing emails to get updates on an actual order with a company, that's just basic.

it's pretty easy to get lost in GDPR for us normal people.

I'll give them the benefit of doubt that they've made a mistake.

could explain why some people didn't get their shirt emails either


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:22:49
Interesting to see so many people calling them out on sustainability stuff.

The Doughty “appointment” was pure theatre. Like so much with the club, there’s absolutely nothing behind the facade.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:43:36
That answer to the disabled parking question in the Supporters questions part is an insult


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:55:32
That answer to the disabled parking question in the Supporters questions part is an insult

There are quite a few things that end up in the Advisory Board appendices that seem like actual individual customer service issues rather than broader issues to take to the board. None of them seem particularly impressively handled.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:58:30
There are quite a few things that end up in the Advisory Board appendices that seem like actual individual customer service issues rather than broader issues to take to the board. None of them seem particularly impressively handled.

Yeah, it isn't really what it was for, is it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:59:47
They are actually really shooting themselves in the foot with these minutes now. Half the stuff we are earing about we would never actually hear about if they didn't do tese minutes. In what world did they think fans want to read you telling a disabled fan to basically fuck off


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, August 25, 2023, 16:04:24
It’s something that’s being done and the people doing it have no idea why. The last two q&as on the final page are an absolute joke that anyone with half a brain cell would realise isn’t appropriate to put out for public consumption, but there’s no care in this document. It’s purely a box ticking exercise now (or at least the Q&A segment is)

The response to disabled tickets being unavailable online is a joke, as well. Poor form


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 25, 2023, 16:06:27
I mean Zav Austin has to utilise his time at the club somehow, they've clearly let him loose on the AB questions.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 25, 2023, 16:27:49
It’s something that’s being done and the people doing it have no idea why. The last two q&as on the final page are an absolute joke that anyone with half a brain cell would realise isn’t appropriate to put out for public consumption, but there’s no care in this document. It’s purely a box ticking exercise now (or at least the Q&A segment is)

The response to disabled tickets being unavailable online is a joke, as well. Poor form
The thing is, it isn't even a box ticking excercise as there isn't even a requirement  for this


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 25, 2023, 17:19:49
The AB seems to have gone the way many a Fans Forum goes - it's a really bad forum for addressing individual concerns.  It should be an update on performance and projects and then a discussion with representatives about key themes.  The feedback provided should be a summary of that discussion and then what actions, if any, were agreed.

Even then, at least put some bloody effort in if you are going to field personal complaints.  It would appear Disabled fans are not flavour of the month at the club and we have an environmental group has it in for us.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 25, 2023, 17:26:53
Agreed Rob.

Kind of disinterested in the answers of even the big stuff now anyway given recent events.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 25, 2023, 19:13:16
The constant references to openness and transparency are positively North Korean at this point. Clem Jong Un.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, August 25, 2023, 21:34:13
The constant references to openness and transparency are positively North Korean at this point. Clem Jong Un.

Hahahah


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 11:33:58
You assume the next set of mins could be the interesting ones where they drop talking about open and transparent, although with the trust statement about Clem & co still had questions to answer you would assume there would be some lengthy statement some time on the setup of the club and the future.
And maybe an explanation from Clem why he did not think the info was relevant


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:00:06
It's ok we are winning games no one cares again  :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:06:51
It's ok we are winning games no one cares again  :)

It’s human nature. Alls well on the pitch so sod the rest!  If we’re winning, our money could come from the Brinks Matt robbery or the proceeds of the Kray twins era.  

Nobody would care.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:12:36
If we’re winning, our money could come from the Brinks Matt robbery or the proceeds of the Kray twins era. 
Don't mention Lee Power ;)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:18:38
Oh no, it’s great on the pitch, but can’t get away from the fact Clem Morfuni and Rob Angus have been telling porkies for nearly a year in the breakfast mornings with the super fans. Looking forward to what updates the trust share- statement was a good start. Why on earth have the club been saying CK is just a contractor? Fuckers been running the club- clearly.

Watching Lindsey’s interview made me laugh in more ways than one. In the background you could see “non official vice chairman and guest of the chairman on matchdays” parading round the pitch after the game with one of the heavies from the power regime.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:23:20
It's ok we are winning games no one cares again  :)

Not here, hombre.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:27:54
I see everyone takes every comment a bit too seriously still but if we are talking about it seriously i am afraid 50-100 people maxium seeming to voice their opinions every now and then when they hear shit news isn't going to make them change their ways

I hope the Trust don't go a bit quiet in the hope that the club think along the lines of my very tongue in cheek comments because being honest the majority don't care. I am not saying it's right but it's true

with crowds of 8k turning up and a few on a forum and twitter kicking off i dont think it will be enough to change anything


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:28:46
I take everything seriously  :)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:32:31
Not here, hombre.

Fantastic work on the pod holding these crooks to account- keep it up 👏


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 13:32:48
Don't mention Lee Power ;)

I didn’t, I do have some standards..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 14:00:26
Fantastic work on the pod holding these crooks to account- keep it up 👏

Sorry, which crooks are we talking about now, are Clem and Rob A crooks now?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 14:10:24
Sorry, which crooks are we talking about now, are Clem and Rob A crooks now?

Austin and Hart count as real ones, just doing our bit for rehabilitation.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 14:23:41
Sorry, which crooks are we talking about now, are Clem and Rob A crooks now?

It's Garth Crooks. Hold the man to account for his insane team of the week selections every week...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 14:27:25
It's Garth Crooks. Hold the man to account for his insane team of the week selections every week...

Ah gotcha, understandable really, good on the LS Pod for holding him to account for that!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 31, 2023, 13:23:01
Oh no, it’s great on the pitch, but can’t get away from the fact Clem Morfuni and Rob Angus have been telling porkies for nearly a year in the breakfast mornings with the super fans. Looking forward to what updates the trust share- statement was a good start. Why on earth have the club been saying CK is just a contractor? Fuckers been running the club- clearly.

Watching Lindsey’s interview made me laugh in more ways than one. In the background you could see “non official vice chairman and guest of the chairman on matchdays” parading round the pitch after the game with one of the heavies from the power regime.

 :sherlock:

Very well spotted. Is there any suggestion that that individual may be more than just the guy who runs the security contractor? I see him in the Director's seating every week in a prime spot and he acts like he is in a pivotal role to my eyes. Meeting and greeting and generally lording it up like he quite literally owns the place.

Edit: Looking back, he was a Non Executive Director under Power along with Veljko Jovanovic and Roger Terrell.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Thursday, August 31, 2023, 15:43:38
I do think it's fair that people realise that those heavies were here before Power and were also left out of pocket by some way because of Lee power

In fact i believe he was made director previously because of money owed to him.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Thursday, August 31, 2023, 15:44:32
Why wasn’t Power beaten up on his doorstep? Only seems fair.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 31, 2023, 15:53:21
I do think it's fair that people realise that those heavies were here before Power and were also left out of pocket by some way because of Lee power

In fact i believe he was made director previously because of money owed to him.

Indeed. Just curious as to the depth of his involvement. Or is he the Matchday Guest's Matchday Guest?!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DMC on Thursday, August 31, 2023, 17:49:59
He is in charge of the whole of the security set up and pays for a corporate season ticket


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 1, 2023, 08:35:15
Just curious as to the depth of his involvement.

About 3'6"


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:39:46
so... is there a meeting this month?   :fishing:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Friday, October 13, 2023, 19:51:08
New minutes are out. Nowt much to report. Club have accepted they will have to settle the bill fir Power’s leased Mercedes which was dumped in Switzerland.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Friday, October 13, 2023, 19:58:19
Yeah not a lot in that.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Saturday, October 14, 2023, 08:44:57
we are paying off ranford for looking him out the leased area. worth it!

someone asked about part season tickets. can't remember where:

• 3 Game Bundle is going on sale from mid -October, and will include the following games, Stockport, Mansfield &
Barrow, the Barrow game will be half price as part of the three-game bundle. Please note the three game bundle
commences from 11th November 2023
• 6 game bundle is going on sale for mid- November & will be for the following games, Colchester / Tranmere
Rovers / Bradford City / Salford City / Franchise / Harrogate Town, the final game of the six-game bundle will be
free. Please note the six bundle games commence from 6th January 2024
• Half Season, Season tickets will be on sale from mid-November with the first game being the Colchester game on
the 06th January 2024


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, January 15, 2024, 14:16:47
Wheres the december minutes lads  :D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 08:26:50
Trust have confirmed that there was an Advisory Board meeting on Dec 21st, so minutes are overdue for that. Not that I'd expect it to contain much.

January meeting TBC despite Clem being in the country...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 09:04:17
Of course they’re overdue Mr Hall is writing them up


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 09:37:17
Maybe he got some new crayons for Christmas and is enjoying himself.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 09:51:57
This AB malarkey is surely absolutely redundant nowadays, isn't it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 09:53:08
This AB malarkey is surely absolutely redundant nowadays, isn't it?

I think so as well, pointless exercise now as none of it is true.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:20:20
When is the ground redevelopment starting?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:22:59
When is the ground redevelopment starting?

Ive said all along i will believe it when i see it.
Cant see anything happening for ages if at all


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:24:19
Standing will still be pulling the strings.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:46:23
Standing will still be pulling the strings.
Clem
(https://y.yarn.co/6a0144b3-edad-4955-8737-c81038c6622b_text.gif)

Also Clem.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o85gdhlpxVz8TjsTC/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:48:41
Ive said all along i will believe it when i see it.
Cant see anything happening for ages if at all

In the sort of... best case scenario for this (alleged) ownership model, I could see how it works that Clem genuinely does run Ground Development stuff as his area of expertise alongside the Joint Venture, and Kiely/Standing/Mysterious Shadowy Figures run the on the pitch stuff. Sort of like how it seems to be going to work at Man Utd with Radcliffe.

But er, there aren't many best case scenarios happening right now.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:51:39
In the sort of... best case scenario for this (alleged) ownership model, I could see how it works that Clem genuinely does run Ground Development stuff as his area of expertise alongside the Joint Venture, and Kiely/Standing/Mysterious Shadowy Figures run the on the pitch stuff. Sort of like how it seems to be going to work at Man Utd with Radcliffe.

But er, there aren't many best case scenarios happening right now.

I think the bloke bought in to oversee it all, Lee Dover has left already?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 10:52:06
I think the bloke bought in to oversee it all, Lee Dover has left already?
Going to appoint his brother Ben.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 11:19:36
I think the bloke bought in to oversee it all, Lee Dover has left already?

That was Hall's job before Rob Angus left and Clem decided go the cheap route again and employ an ex employee, probably realised it is not the same as working at a plumbing company funnily enough.

It hasn't been announced I don't think who the next AXIS UK person is to be given the job - maybe Hall is job sharing to keep costs down.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 11:28:33
Hall has never changed his LinkedIn profile to show his role at STFC. Either because he doesn't want the car crash on his CV or because he really is that useless a CEO.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 11:30:29
Plumbing puns alert*

Could we sink any lower?
The situation is crapper now.
Time to pull the plug?
Going down the plughole.
Shower of shit.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Qunk on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 11:36:51
I think the bloke bought in to oversee it all, Lee Dover has left already?

Lee Dover? Sounds like a typical Swindon second half.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 11:41:59
Lee Dover? Sounds like a typical Swindon second half.

:D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:13:10
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/january/advisory-board-minutes-december-2023

Minutes up. You'll all be horrified to see that Clem has, it says, put in additional £850k to the £250k already mentioned, and that this may not be the last cash required this season... which would mean the club is losing £1-1.5m a year... Plenty in it actually

Quote
Club has held a meeting with Fairgame for the first time on Wed 20th Dec which went well. They talked club financials and presenting this and how Fair Game could help here. It has been agreed that Fair Game will provide an independent assessment of the club's financials which we will use and publish on the club's website to provide gravitas and an independent view to fans on club's financial position.


Quote
As well as £250k earlier in the season, Clem has had to put in an extra £850k in the last 3 Months, this may not be the last cash injection required this season. The club iscontinually reviewing the cash position in line with the revenue streams that the club currently has, with a view to how these can be improved moving forward.

Quote
The club is actively looking at clamping down on people using wrong tickets i.e at last game
they found at least 20 people using children's tickets when they were adults etc.. it was suggested that potentially specific turnstiles could be used for Adults & Children. To help resolve this issue.

TWENTY PEOPLE FOR FUCKS SAKE

Quote
The Club is looking into the Matchday ticket price and agrees the £27 set for this season was
too high, which we are currently reviewing alongside supporter groups and will be announced soon.

There will be a consolidation of ticket categories as there are currently too many to manage
and administer and it can be confusing.

The Club is also looking at Season Ticket Costs – The Club is keen to keep prices for renewals at there or there abouts of current cost this season. This to be also presented in Jan AB once decided exact details.

So goodbye U21s and more family options...



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:15:17
Clem has put in an additional £850k over the last 3 months. What the fuck on!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:17:38
It's either absolute bollocks or football is completely, irredeemably fucked financially.

£850k in three months if projected across the year evenly would be £3.4m loss. That's loss, not turnover!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:19:47
Also two absolute timing doozies at the very bottom

Quote
The manager has not lost the dressing room. Some players are not putting in the effort Flynn
wants and needs.

Flynn is showing passion and that he wants better from the players we would rather see this and
no passion from our manager.

The club believe Mike Flynn is the right person for the managers role and wanted to lock him
into a longer-term contract for that reason.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:20:45
Also two absolute timing doozies at the very bottom

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Beat me to it. what a club  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:22:50
.interesting first point


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:29:36
850k?

On what?

Fucking hell


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:31:44
This club talks more shit than a steaming pile of turds.


850k?

On what?

Fucking hell


Got to keep those 'Matchday Guests' sweet ya know  :eek:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:35:18
850k?

On what?

Fucking hell

Its seems very odd doesn't it. But there have been things the club has spent money on this year that dont get shouted about. Wasnt there 500k on the roof to pass health and safety for example?



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:38:00
Its seems very odd doesn't it. But there have been things the club has spent money on this year that dont get shouted about. Wasnt there 500k on the roof to pass health and safety for example?



If he has to do this every 3 months thats a loss of 3m quid per year. Where the fuck is the money going?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:38:13
So Clem has put in £1.1m this season just to keep us afloat?

Sounds bollocks to me.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:44:59
So Clem has put in £1.1m this season just to keep us afloat?

Sounds bollocks to me.

As it dos me but can't be proved either way as they won't release full financials.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:48:02
Getting the excuses in about the ground too i see, apparently the company they appointed werent good enough


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:49:15
Weren’t good enough or not cheap enough :D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:49:34
As it dos me but can't be proved either way as they won't release full financials.

Well it will be...but those 'Admin', 'Miscellaneous' and 'Consultancy Fees' categories can be very helpful too  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:50:24
Weren’t good enough or not cheap enough :D

Dunno but the Brentford stadium looks alright


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 16:57:18

Getting the excuses in about the ground too i see, apparently the company they appointed werent good enough


Possible the company were too transparent in telling the club what could be done with a budget of 56p, a gram of blow and Tony Hall's vast integrity. Irony much.

The new company will either be some pikeys, a very close link to Clem/Axis or to someone else who will do it as cheap as possible.

Seems odd though because usually capital can be raised quite well from projects like these. I know a couple of people who work in that area of raising capital for big projects and it's usually around a min of 80-90% of the funds needed to get a project moving. A form of VC really.

Meaning that the cheapest option shouldn't need to be explored but with these guys, anyone legit probably doesn't want to touch STFC with a scaffold pole  :nod:



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:06:47
850K. By December. WTF.

I assume there are a lot of one off costs in there (if they're genuine).


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:13:29
So, a T/O of £7m+, injection of £1.1m, plus player sales and we still haven’t got a pot to piss in.

Pull the other one.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:16:34
850K. By December. WTF.

I assume there are a lot of one off costs in there (if they're genuine).

According to the Trust, who had Spencer in attendance:

Quote
We certainly did ask yes and the response was to offset club running cost losses, to pay multiple sets of legal costs from previous ownership issues coming out of the woodwork and to support January transfer window.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:18:52
They do rely on the ‘previous legal fees’ a lot - 3 years after the event.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:19:19
They do rely on the ‘previous legal fees’ a lot - 3 years after the event.

Was thinking the same


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:22:48
Legal fees will continue to accrue until the court cases are sorted at the earliest though and even an average brief ain't cheap.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:23:35
Total bollocks. More lies and bullshit.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: blinkpip on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:29:55
Must still owe Trevor Benjamin his goal bonus plus interest from 2006.  :zzz:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:33:38
Off topic a bit, but with the Power/Standing case sometime soon, whatever happened to the FA charge against Gareth Barry? Surely that should have been dealt with by now.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:35:15
Off topic a bit, but with the Power/Standing case sometime soon, whatever happened to the FA charge against Gareth Barry? Surely that should have been dealt with by now.

They’ll wait till the court case is over for that, isn’t part of Powers defence that it was actually Barry’s money and not Standings?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:38:14
Must still owe Trevor Benjamin his goal bonus plus interest from 2006.  :zzz:


:D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:47:08
Must still owe Trevor Benjamin his goal bonus plus interest from 2006.  :zzz:


Rumour has it back in the 70’s they were worried about falling gates after the ‘69 team was dismantled by Dave McKay. So the grounds staff nipped down to Ron’s Stores for some new hinges. The payment allegedly ‘offset’ by ‘free tickets’ that never materialised ‘allegedly’ due to, errr falling gates.

This debt has been vigorously persued and the club have bought in a top London barrister to fight the case ’allegedly’ hence the £840 directors loan injected to the club.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 17:48:18
They’ll wait till the court case is over for that, isn’t part of Powers defence that it was actually Barry’s money and not Standings?
Either way the club is guilty. Just hope they decide to sanction the people. Still find it difficult to believe somebody would hand Power £6m with no legal contract.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 18:01:32
Rumour has it back in the 70’s they were worried about falling gates after the ‘69 team was dismantled by Dave McKay. So the grounds staff nipped down to Ron’s Stores for some new hinges. The payment allegedly ‘offset’ by ‘free tickets’ that never materialised ‘allegedly’ due to, errr falling gates.

This debt has been vigorously persued and the club have bought in a top London barrister to fight the case ’allegedly’ hence the £840 directors loan injected to the club.

I know you are joking, but this reminds me of the imaginary debt from 1958 that McCrory and co reckoned they discovered doing due dilligence!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 18:06:16
Christ, what a succession of owners.

Jed, Power, Morfuni


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 18:06:56
Christ, what a succession of owners.

Jed, Power, Morfuni

Plus Diamandis as a puppet master?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 18:46:48
Christ, what a succession of owners.

Jed, Power, Morfuni
Plus Kiely Hart Austin Standing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 19:00:09
Quote from: TailBetweenLegs
Plus Kiely Hart Austin Standing


quite, though technically only one of them is owner. legally.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 19:09:50
So how come Clem pleaded poverty when it came to paying the debenture and now he has found a spare £1.1m to help with running costs.

Thank God all is clear and transparent!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 19:14:14
Stop this advisory charade it’s embarrassing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 19:17:48
I liked the question about bike racks ending with

‘Best wishes and keep up the good work’ :D

Also, who wrote in complaining abour swearing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 19:18:53
Mind your own fucking business. It was me.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 19:37:27
This a farce now. It’s a sham, and shows the contempt they have for the fans that they think this is an adequate level of communications. It’s barely coherent


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 19:44:14
Being almost deliberately credulous, if I was Clem and I'd invested £1.3m of my own money this season and people were as doubtful as they are I'd be absolutely fuming.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 19:44:24
So a £1m loss in 4 months really?

I can’t see how that could even legitimately be possible. That’s basically the equivalent of the club’s entire wage bill for a full month for each of the last 4 months.

So if we ‘had budget left’ then that suggests for the last 4 months we’ve had £250k of unexpected costs each month, really?

The paragraph contradicts itself and of course there’s no actual explanation of what these ‘costs’ were. It’s clearly either more lies or something more nefarious. That’s before factoring in Morfuni has told people he’s skint so where would this money come from exactly?!



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:08:36
‘ They are related to historical agreements made by previous regime where there were not necessarily contracts/paperwork and therefore the club new nothing about them until recently and they don't benefit the club, and the club are fighting these through lawyers at great costs.’


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:14:50
‘ They are related to historical agreements made by previous regime where there were not necessarily contracts/paperwork and therefore the club new nothing about them until recently and they don't benefit the club, and the club are fighting these through lawyers at great costs.’

Surely if there is no binding contract its null and void??


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:17:02
‘Great cost’. At what level is it cheaper to pay the creditor than the lawyer.

Why not say who/what these historical debts are


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:18:31
Where did you find that quote Aud?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:18:54
From the Trust on X


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:21:34
Just seen it, cheers



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:23:29
If you’re a creditor wouldn’t you be banging on STFC’s door constantly once a new owner has taken over. Nah, let’s wait 3 years for them to find out.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:23:54
No contract or paperwork, but still must be paid.

That doesn't sound suspicious at all


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:25:38
Whoever did Clem’s due diligence was shite!


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:26:23
trust comms (email)

Quote
We wanted to provide you with an update on our ongoing communication with Swindon Town FC.



As promised, we have continued to engage with the club throughout January to address the concerns and questions that have been raised by supporters, and we have shared views on key challenges such as: football performance, external influences and shareholdings, club finances, club communications, and ticket pricing.



Off the back of that engagement we are pleased to report that the chairman Clem Morfuni will be speaking with the media and also releasing a video update tomorrow on the Swindon Town website, which we hope will cover off many supporter concerns.



We see this media promise as a positive reaction to our recent discussions and a good first step towards improved communication generally.



Whilst many points have been discussed in depth with members of the Trust board, we do need the club to share their responses and address concerns directly with the wider fanbase.



We will also continue to advocate for your interests and push for more regular and open communication from the Chairman but also want to remind you that the fans forum is scheduled for the end of the month on Tuesday 30 January, where you will have the opportunity to ask any remaining questions directly.



Thanks for your patience and support, and if after the forthcoming media and the subsequent fans forum there are still questions that need to be answered, then we would encourage you to share your feedback with us and we can follow-up on your behalf.


Regards,

The Board of TrustSTFC
he he, I cancelled my direct debit last month


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:27:21
‘ Unfortunately a lack of paperwork on these agreements means due diligence didn't pick these up, there has been lots of these and there are multiple legal cases running in parallel now and have been since Clem took over.’

I asked why we are paying if there is no contract and got this as a reply

‘ Some of the agreements are for services, facilities use etc and don't benefit the club so the club want to stop these, hence the legal work on some of these are to clean this up and stop these occurring where no formal agreements are in place’’

Come on :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:28:17
Are Clem’s pants on fire?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:28:40
Hard to form an opinion without any context ob that Tans. Does seem most odd on the face of it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:29:50
trust comms (email)
he he, I cancelled my direct debit last month

Does that statement want to be any fuether up the clubs arse


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:30:43
Hard to form an opinion without any context ob that Tans. Does seem most odd on the face of it.

Further:

‘ Some of the people involved are not the sort of people you can just ask to stop using facilities/services hence the legal route to safeguard the club and clean this all up.’


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:30:50
Just give an example of said services and/or facilities.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:32:15
This is the line being used since Hall came in and claimed he had unearthed all this as if it was a shock and new to him.  I think the reality is that it was new to him, but not the club.  It's things like the Merc that was left in Switzerland and the lease for some office space.

Lets be honest here - if you were a supplier, you'd be known about within a three year window, especially if you'd stopped receiving payment 3 years ago (which can be the only logical conclusion to the clubs insistence they knew nothing about them).  You'd have popped to the Court system by now to enforce the repayment (which is exactly what the catering firm did).

I can absolutely accept things not being written down - Clem didn't bother with all that legal paperwork shit went sending the club over a million quid years ago, not until Power started fucking everyone around and rumours of a sale appeared.  It's the MO of everyone involved in running our club - murkier the better.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:32:18
Maybe the extra costs are protection payments - otherwise you’ll get doorstepped like Zav.

Who the fuck are we involved with?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:33:00
Further:

‘ Some of the people involved are not the sort of people you can just ask to stop using facilities/services hence the legal route to safeguard the club and clean this all up.’

I presume Zav wants his knees intact this time


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:36:47
Quote from: tans
Further:

‘ Some of the people involved are not the sort of people you can just ask to stop using facilities/services hence the legal route to safeguard the club and clean this all up.’

dafuq?

we got gangster squatters?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:36:48
The Trust’s tweets are pretty astonishing. It seems that they accept every ounce of bullshit that the ownership “group” feeds them seemingly without questioning it, all the while forgetting the reason that they are established in the first place - to guard against this threat to our club. They are now the antidote to what they are meant to be. They should be coordinating protests, and helping to find a way towards fan ownership as an option, but they’ve morphed into Morfuni apologists seemingly to justify supporting him in the first place.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:36:55
The trust would be better off keeping their mouth shut rather than saying things like this as it just exacerbates things further


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:40:50
That comment to me sounds suspiciously like someone has been using the club to facilitate some kind of illegal activity - money laundering?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:46:12
Unfortunately a lack of paperwork on these agreements means due diligence didn't pick these up, there has been lots of these and there are multiple legal cases running in parallel now and have been since Clem took over.

Some of the people involved are not the sort of people you can just ask to stop using facilities/services hence the legal route to safeguard the club and clean this all up.

All the above are tweets from the trust


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:47:09
what kind of thing are we talking about though?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:48:36
As I suggested - bit of washing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:57:03
The club has been OK with someone who even the EFL won't approve being involved in the running of the business, setting up a brand new "academy" in Pakistan for the express intent of giving locals sponsored Visa's.  Pakistan is notorious for money making schemes around Visa applications.

Now, there is no way I can jump to a conclusion of impropriety, but Zav's background doesn't suggest an upstanding citizen.  If we do that while taking photos at the British Governments offices, imagine the fun we can get up to "off the books".


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:00:32
Why the hell does information like this come out from random trust tweets? Can’t they fucking sort themselves out, was it in the advisory board minutes, was it in the trust newsletter? No.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:08:16
Why the hell does information like this come out from random trust tweets? Can’t they fucking sort themselves out, was it in the advisory board minutes, was it in the trust newsletter? No.

Because this is exactly how the people around our club operate - feed chinese whispers, try to avoid formal written communication if possible.  Let those fed the tit bits deliver messages.  Just look at the share transfer - we still don't know the terms and only found out because legal docs were required at Companies House.  Even then Clem tried feeding lines to others to provide cover before the dam broke.  A good journalist would have followed up on that story though, not just left it with Clem blushing about being caught out - push for the details, dig deeper.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:09:10
Trust guy (I suspect which) needs to put the keyboard down and stop digging. I've defended the Trust from a lot but this is fucking silly and I will be emailing them tomorrow to say so.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:10:24
Just give an example of said services and/or facilities.

Cocaine. Lots and lots of cocaine.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:12:24
That comment to me sounds suspiciously like someone has been using the club to facilitate some kind of illegal activity - money laundering?

Heard this ages ago. Rumour was it's why Rob Angus would he leaving before it was even confirmed he was. He found out and Clem told him to drop it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:23:42
Clem is seen laughing and joking with Adam Hart in the directors box and tried to make Zav Austin Vice Chairman but we're supposed to believe he's fighting gangsters off legally and is an innocent unknowing party in all of this?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:31:40
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
As I suggested - bit of washing

I meant the "legitimate" front. what kind of services.

just seems odd


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:33:22
Not sure there is anything legitimate. Anyhow, how do lawyers stop n’er do wells from doing their thang?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:34:04
Adam Harts 'strength and conditioning' company to start with I expect.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:35:02
Why don’t they call the cops 👮‍♀️ in? MI5 Or whatever.  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:38:49
Sounds like they need to get the sniffer dogs in😁


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:40:20
Why don’t they call the cops 👮‍♀️ in? MI5 Or whatever.  :sherlock:

Because Clem is complicit.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:40:49
See some tweets have been deleted


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:43:49
See some tweets have been deleted

Was just going to say this


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:45:34
Because Clem is complicit.

I guess if the trust know what is going on that makes them complicit too.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:46:01
Haha, The Trust in it's current guise really are giving the club the biggest blowjob going aren't they?

Whilst they continue to not represent the fan base. Absolute Clem fanboy whores  :pint:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:51:36
See some tweets have been deleted

Think the trust needs to have a look at who has access to their twitter account honestly. Its not being run like it should, sounds like some in fighting going on there to me.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:55:26
It will come as no surprise as to which (departing) Trust member was on comms this evening


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:55:39
We need to see the accounts, open and transparent as the buzz words went.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:56:10
The Trust needs dissolving and starting again.

I doubt many clubs have needed a phoenix supporters trust but they have clearly lost the plot.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:56:49
Also the Trust obviously knew about this and sat on it. Fulfilling their remit obviously


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 21:58:58
They appear to have deleted this


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:00:09
The Trust needs dissolving and starting again.

I doubt many clubs have needed a phoenix supporters trust but they have clearly lost the plot.

Most of the board will be replaced soon, so it's the same thing as a new one. People need to stop with this shit honestly.

The trust should be a place of differing opinions, but they should present a united front externally, especially the board. Seems some cant do that, and are probably not fit to be on the board.

Hopefully the new make up works betters.

Am I missing the problem with the deleted message this evening. If Clem is paying money to properly legally protect the club from a unpleasant group that's a positive for the club isn't it? He is unlikely to be paying to protect it from people he associates with, so the problem parties are former associates of Power surely?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:01:18
Also the Trust obviously knew about this and sat on it. Fulfilling their remit obviously

Genuine question. Should the trust disclose everything at all times?



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:03:27
@rob yeah but "stop using facilities/services"??

who other than Hart, Austin and Kiely are using facilities and services?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:04:32
Genuine question. Should the trust disclose everything at all times?



What is the point if they don’t. They just become an extension of the clubs propaganda and publicity machine.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:07:33
What is the point if they don’t. They just become an extension of the clubs propaganda and publicity machine.

There is a space between that and disclosing everything. Where the trust board, a representative of the trust, judge what should be shared and what shouldn't.

I can understand why somethings shouldn't.

But I think it entirely fair that the trust board have not done a great job at drawing that line between everything and nothing. In my opinion.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:08:27
nah, there will be times they have to sit on privileged information. it's inevitable.

Not sure what the hell the tweet meant tbh. it read to me like there were dodgy contracts with mobsters in the building.

that may not have been meant at all. But if you delete it, clarify it.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:11:38
It does have the feeling that something big is about to happen, feels like the club is about to explode/implode.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:12:09
Most of the board will be replaced soon, so it's the same thing as a new one. People need to stop with this shit honestly.

The trust should be a place of differing opinions, but they should present a united front externally, especially the board. Seems some cant do that, and are probably not fit to be on the board.

Hopefully the new make up works betters.

Am I missing the problem with the deleted message this evening. If Clem is paying money to properly legally protect the club from a unpleasant group that's a positive for the club isn't it? He is unlikely to be paying to protect it from people he associates with, so the problem parties are former associates of Power surely?

But he's mates with them. That is why it isn't believable.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:12:25
They appear to have deleted this

What the actual fuck.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:12:37
nah, there will be times they have to sit on privileged information. it's inevitable.

Not sure what the hell the tweet meant tbh. it read to me like there were dodgy contracts with mobsters in the building.

that may not have been meant at all. But if you delete it, clarify it.

Yep. They have to clarify it now.

But its really poor of whoever sent it, to even send that message. Trust comms should be clear and unambiguous.

But I don't see how Clem can be taking legal protection against people he openly invites to the club. I think the fans are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 9 or something.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:16:00
Wonder if the tweet was about Austin/Hart or the club has got entangled with people even worse than them..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:16:48
The trust have blindly nodded along while all manner of ex-cons have flirted around the board room. You can’t be suprised at those allegations today based on the company kept on the boardroom. Lie with a dog and get fleas

And the trust have been in a position to try and do something about that or distance themselves from what’s going on. But they haven’t. And if the allegations are true, all they’ve done in the last two years is enable the fostering of an environment where that kind of stuff can continue to happen.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:17:01
Yep. They have to clarify it now.

But its really poor of whoever sent it, to even send that message. Trust comms should be clear and unambiguous.

But I don't see how Clem can be taking legal protection against people he openly invites to the club. I think the fans are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 9 or something.

He's not. If I had to guess this has come from more of Clems one on one charm offensive bullshit with someone at the Trust.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:17:48
Wonder if the tweet was about Austin/Hart or the club has got entangled with people even worse than them..

Who is worse? Adam Harts MTK Global buddies maybe. But he's pretty up there already.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:19:47
Here is a screenshot of one of the deleted posts


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:23:16
I would guess the parties in question are other people that loaned Power money honestly.

We know he took money from Barry when he shouldn't have. From Standing when he shouldn't of. He'll some crazy deal with abramovich (who defo has no dodgy connections right). Who the fuck knows what other off the book deals Power did in the clubs name.

I no way do I condone some of the unpleasant element still around the club, Hart, Zav etc. But this reads like a Power legacy thing to me.



Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:23:58
It really is a remarkable tweet, isn’t it?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:28:42
Who in their right mind would want to do business with the club?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:31:15
Admin and a fresh start is genuinely the best outcome now.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: hefty toe on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 22:35:10
Admin and a fresh start is genuinely the best outcome now.

Not sure if administration would even work in clearing out the detritus. Would need liquidation to be absolutely sure sadly.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 23:00:42
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https://youtu.be/9a3eCHij4Vo?si=aWwXDu7RhvL1Nr_b


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 23:01:17
I would guess the parties in question are other people that loaned Power money honestly.

We know he took money from Barry when he shouldn't have. From Standing when he shouldn't of. He'll some crazy deal with abramovich (who defo has no dodgy connections right). Who the fuck knows what other off the book deals Power did in the clubs name.

I no way do I condone some of the unpleasant element still around the club, Hart, Zav etc. But this reads like a Power legacy thing to me.


What is Mr Curran doing these days.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 23:02:20
 it gets more mental by the day


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 23:08:14
If we liquidate, what happens to the clubs half of the ground?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 23:13:21
If we liquidate, what happens to the clubs half of the ground?

I presume the agreement would be null and void and the monies go back to the Eady trust?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 01:16:13
I would guess the parties in question are other people that loaned Power money honestly.

We know he took money from Barry when he shouldn't have. From Standing when he shouldn't of. He'll some crazy deal with abramovich (who defo has no dodgy connections right). Who the fuck knows what other off the book deals Power did in the clubs name.

I no way do I condone some of the unpleasant element still around the club, Hart, Zav etc. But this reads like a Power legacy thing to me.



I would agree with you, BUT, we should probably begin by assuming the underlying facts are not as first presented to us.  They are more Chinese whispers - no doubt there is truth within, but the details may be less easy to determine.

Lets not forget that Clem got involved with this crew and was heavily involved before the overthrowing of Power.  Austin got sent to hospital for engineering that, so it is entirely likely some people with less than squeaky clean intentions would still have fingers in the pie.  I very much doubt everything is suddenly coming to light.  More likely it either helps create a good story to deflect, people are prepared to be stooges when needed to keep prying eyes away or someone got their nose put out of joint when their piece of the pie went cold.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 06:06:57
But how do lawyers deal with criminality? That’s the police’s job.

We’ve had Clem putting money in when Power owned the club - with no paperwork. We’ve had Standing/Barry putting money in - without paperwork. We’ve had Abramovich putting money in - with no paperwork. Clem sold 22% of the club - initially with no paperwork.

There could be all kinds of ‘side deals’ done with no paperwork. Thinking about it more, it does seem likely this still stems from Power. It’s just the timescale that bothers me. 3 years out and this - whatever ‘this’ is - is still going on or at least not sorted.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 06:21:37
The whole thing stinks of blackmail/loan shark escapades. Difficult to see where to go from here but getting it out in the open has to be a start. For what it’s worth I feel that Clem isn’t the biggest problem here but rather his associates and those who he has done business with but that’s not based on anything more than gut feeling.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 07:17:17
Joe Acklam gets 20 minutes with Clem today and I think Sam M is interviewing him tomorrow. I wonder whether the line of questioning will have changed since last night.

Also, apparently there is due to be a recorded video message from Clem on the website today as per the Trust correspondence.

"Off the back of that engagement we are pleased to report that the chairman Clem Morfuni will be speaking with the media and also releasing a video update tomorrow on the Swindon Town website, which we hope will cover off many supporter concerns"


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 07:17:55
Quote from: TheDukeOfBanbury
What is Mr Curran doing these days.

I'm trying to work out what it is they have the club on the hook for?

I could understand it if we had Highworth as a training ground and stables attached and someone was using them. But we have bugger all.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 07:21:56
Joe Acklam gets 20 minutes with Clem today and I think Sam M is interviewing him tomorrow. I wonder whether the line of questioning will have changed since last night.

Also, apparently there is due to be a recorded video message from Clem on the website today as per the Trust correspondence.

"Off the back of that engagement we are pleased to report that the chairman Clem Morfuni will be speaking with the media and also releasing a video update tomorrow on the Swindon Town website, which we hope will cover off many supporter concerns"

Part of me wonders if the Trust have played a blinder here, knowing full well Clem is doing the media rounds today.
Drop that little nugget in the night before and see how he deals with it .


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 07:22:44
We need to see the accounts, open and transparent as the buzz words went.
I've just emailed them about the overview Scott was undertaking. The Trust committed to it, they need to deliver


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 07:25:01
Part of me wonders if the Trust have played a blinder here, knowing full well Clem is doing the media rounds today.
Drop that little nugget in the night before and see how he deals with it .

You do wonder why else they would have done it right?

It is starting to feel like things are coming to a head. Perhaps people at the Trust have been threatened before and haven't been able to be as open, honest and communicative as they would have liked? It's a fucking tricky situation potentially.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: DV on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 07:35:47
I’m genuinely lost for words.

Can’t help but think it really is time to burn it down to the ground, kill off everything inside it & start the club again from scratch.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 08:05:52
You do wonder why else they would have done it right?

It is starting to feel like things are coming to a head. Perhaps people at the Trust have been threatened before and haven't been able to be as open, honest and communicative as they would have liked? It's a fucking tricky situation potentially.

Try to not overthink this.

An ITK hungry fan went rogue on an official account, got boxed into a corner answering questions they didn't really need to answer in that moment, had to have the last word and stated something they shouldn't have (probably forgetting that it wasn't universally known information because they have known for years) and deleted it.

Hopefully it's a catalyst though.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 08:07:35
Throwing this out there - is this the catalyst to get a joined up protest over the next two home games?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 08:08:58
I'm trying to work out what it is they have the club on the hook for?

I could understand it if we had Highworth as a training ground and stables attached and someone was using them. But we have bugger all.

These are not good people Mate, trust me.
Only knows who “others” are but as a free bet I know where my money would go.

Emotions all over the place with the Club. Only positive the poison is coming out.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 08:37:26
I have sent the following short but unsweet message in to the Trust:

Quote
Good morning folks,

I imagine I won't be the only person - member and non-member - writing about last night's Twitter activity. I would hope that my previous communications with the Trust have been reasonable and supportive, even when I have disagreed with points, but I fear we are now reaching something of a turning point.

Quite simply, whoever was Tweeting from the Trust account last night needs to resign from the board with immediate effect - not at the AGM. For the Trust to go from the Communications Update yesterday evening to acting like an excitable ITKer on Twitter and saying things that have since been deleted but not before being picked up by the wider media is completely unacceptable and unprofessional. If this was not a rogue individual and was instead the sanctioned responses of the entire board, the entire board needs to follow them and resign, bringing the AGM forward to the earliest possible date so that a new board can take over whilst there is something left to run.

I'm sorry that it's come to this, but the club today needs a strong Trust more than ever and it is being increasingly poorly served by the current officers.


At some point I'll take a nerdy read through the articles of the Trust and see if there's anything that can be done to accelerate the change. Will need the support of existing members - I know it's tempting to resign but please don't, reduce your membership payment to the minimum at most.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 08:59:53
I reckon the club has been illegally funded (as far as the FA are concerned) by various people over a period of time. No doubt this would lead to a massive sanction by the FA if it became public knowledge - hence no paper trail.

It won’t end well whatever it is.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:01:53
These are not good people Mate, trust me.

I do. I also don't underestimate the need to tread very carefully if you are in a position of influence.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:05:03
I reckon the club has been illegally funded (as far as the FA are concerned) by various people over a period of time. No doubt this would lead to a massive sanction by the FA if it became public knowledge - hence no paper trail.

It won’t end well whatever it is.

Maybe defunded rather than funded.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:06:09
Maybe defunded rather than funded.

Both things can be true - if you can (entirely theoretically) put £10m of dirty money into a company, and take £8m of clean money out of it, your average money launderer would be very happy with that even though it's a 'loss'.

Not that this has any relevance to STFC of course.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:11:49
Both things can be true - if you can (entirely theoretically) put £10m of dirty money into a company, and take £8m of clean money out of it, your average money launderer would be very happy with that even though it's a 'loss'.

Not that this has any relevance to STFC of course.

 :headhurts:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:15:08
Well the facts according to the trust are that money is going out for facilities/services that the club are not benefiting from and money is coming in from Clem. Yeah sounds like what you said.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:21:04
After last nigths revelations, im now more concerned for the livelihood of the club than i was in the Diamandis days. Sad times.

Interested to see what comes out following the media day today.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:53:33
It’s all making less and less sense. We are told these ‘services’ were left overs from Power’s tenure. Yet there was no need for Clem to put in spurious amounts of money into ‘expenses’ in the first year. We actually made a profit in the second year. And now he’s putting in £1m to cover these.

So how come these ‘services’ didn’t cause a financial problem in years 1 and 2.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:46:23
I'm trying to work out what it is they have the club on the hook for?

I could understand it if we had Highworth as a training ground and stables attached and someone was using them. But we have bugger all.

We have revenue to leech off of. That is enough.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:47:47
Club has changed the twitter bio to the 🕚 emoji. God knows what that’s in relation to


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:52:49
Club has changed the twitter bio to the 🕚 emoji. God knows what that’s in relation to

Countdown to implosion.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:54:13
Club has changed the twitter bio to the 🕚 emoji. God knows what that’s in relation to

We're announcing a signing. Black fella with a beard


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:54:40
Countdown to implosion.

Actually its a new signing - Is it Boateng?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Steak supper on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:55:29
We have reached the eleventh hour


Title: Re: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 12:34:56
I have sent the following short but unsweet message in to the Trust:


At some point I'll take a nerdy read through the articles of the Trust and see if there's anything that can be done to accelerate the change. Will need the support of existing members - I know it's tempting to resign but please don't, reduce your membership payment to the minimum at most.
Well said Nemo. I'm a member if you need support with anything.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 12:46:00
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/JGSUOGaaTXoAAAAC/michael-jackson-popcorn.gif)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 12:48:58
?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 13:30:57
Is the shit about to hit the fan


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 13:33:36
Is the shit about to hit the fan
Hopefully.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 13:55:08
Is the shit about to hit the fan

Which fan?  ???


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:38:32
Which fan?  ???

The one next to Clem


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 22, 2024, 19:43:02
I only just got around to reading the last minutes.  Some of it is laughable.

"The shooting nets have still not been completed at Beversbrook behind pitch 14." - seriously, and they want talk of the Academy to be front and centre?  If anything shows that we are simply playing roulette, this is it.  Nothing of substance has been done in 30 months - we rely entirely on the right person being in role and identifying the right talent.  I mean, they got some scaffolding for the first team, maybe the Academy players could use that to put some nets up?

I see the cycle rack is still causing much pain and anguish - there is just nowhere to put it, not a square foot of undeveloped space.

I also didn't really get the Leases office thing until reading it this time - reads differently now, as if we used the office for STFC and the person who Power leased it to raised an objection because it was theirs to use.  Can't be more than four or five figures though, a year, hardly another big issue that prevents the club from being a success.

It's a little ironic that the club and the Trust are both lacking someone responsible for Sustainability what with it being the only thing that comes out of Clems mouth (and yes, I know he means it differently).


Title: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 22, 2024, 19:54:03
what offices? I thought it was just the area that was used as a gated vehicle lockup but Jason Randford ?

must read them again later, ironically off to foundation park in 10


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 15:54:21
New minutes on website

Actually readable

Someone else can summarise


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 15:57:27
Aka the "Meeting with O’Dwyer Ground Works" minutes


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:09:40
Have to say that the minutes in the new format are so much better. kudos where due.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:14:26
Probably like that fella fixing up Fawlty Towers

‘I will, I will, I will’


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:17:02
Mr O'Reilly


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:20:21
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/advisory-board-meeting-minutes-29.01.24.pdf

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CM has acknowledged that is very likely that he will have to invest at least another £1m into the club each season to mitigate club losses, he has budgeted for this. The club are working through each revenue stream with the aim of becoming sustainable in approx. 2 years’ time.

ST prices frozen

Matchday adult prices down from £27 to £24

Looking to reduce categories to 6 or 7 (do we have significantly more now?)

Formal ST launch end of Feb/early March

Quote
Car Park Lease Agreement (Arranged with Power) . We have issued a response but not heard back. The company are suing the club for £60k for loss of income & set up costs. This is ongoing with the respective legal representatives from each side.

From next season advisory board will be every two months rather than monthly (at least, I assume they meant bimonthly in that direction). In the 'off' months Clem will give a video update to the club website.


This question reproduced unchanged and without comment beyond  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

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Why are the clubs view on some of the online fans that seem to want to continually berate and attack the club and do they know why they do this?, We all know times are tough and things have not been good on the pitch but it seems counterproductive as fans to behave in this way.

I have been watching town for over 40 years and both myself and people who sit around me in the DRS are disgusted to see this sort of behavior and anger and I wondered if the club had reached out to these fans and groups to speak to them to understand their reasons and anger? They hide online but if the club offered them the chance to speak personally in the
club I bet they would turn it down as they would have nothing to moan about then. This must be impacting the players on the pitch and as fans we need to support the players in my view, there is nothing wrong with outlining frustrations and opinions in the right way but some of the language tone and disgraceful attacks and bullying behavior towards club employees and also even some fans witnessed is simply unacceptable. I feel these people need to discuss their anger with the club hierarchy and a resolution found ASAP for the good for the club.

The first three questions in the Q&A section were mine, they were answered broadly as expected although without any new information. These two questions were not answered:

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4. Whilst I understand this (the most recently published accounts) covers a period that completed nearly two years ago and that contained the Manchester City FA Cup game, how have we gone from being a profitable club to needing £1.1m investment to cover 5 months trading in the period since?

5. I presume that all unfavourable commercial deals that Clem Morfuni and Anthony Hall have referred to were agreed under the previous owners of the club. If so, they're reflected in the 2021/22 accounts: have the terms become less favourable in some way since then?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:21:34
What’s this car park all about?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:37:37
"CM has acknowledged that is very likely that he will have to invest at least
another £1m into the club each season to mitigate club losses, he has
budgeted for this"

"The Club is looking to invest further into the pitch in the close season to
enable it to be used more regularly. We would like to have the women
and academy teams playing more often at the CG next season and also
want to avoid games being called off. We are considering various options
including stitching the pitch and under soil heating."

The under soil heating thing must be a laugh?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:41:28
Absolutely no chance they will pay for undersoil heating :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:45:46
All joking aside, and of course there are the usual nonsensicals, these minutes and the replies to the questions do appear to be slightly more thorough and dare I say more 'human'. Fair play.

Nice to see the bike rack make another appearance.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:46:58
Chalkies is going to absolutely wet his pants at the question about the online fans! What a hoot!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:53:25

Chalkies is going to absolutely wet his pants at the question about the online fans! What a hoot!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


It's a bizarre thing to be put in there. I wonder if Mr Hall wrote it whilst on the naughty step and having some precious reflection time  :hmmm:

#YouMakeYourBedYouHaveToSleepInIt


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:55:58
They hide online but some of them turn up and speak at fans forums and we don't like that either.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 17:12:31
Probably like that fella fixing up Fawlty Towers

‘I will, I will, I will’

" I mean, we've waited for that wall about as long as Hadrian. "
AKA - the Stratton Bank roof


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 17:19:33
Will somebody just fucking give them a bike rack - it's been mothballed now!

Now - I will say I have not been in the Legends Lounge in a long time, so it may well be needing urgent work.  However, if it remains as I remember it, what on earth are they dribbling on about spending money on that area of the ground?  If you want to develop the ground and create new revenue, would it not be better to be identifying ways to invest Capital elsewhere.  You know, to create something new, additional, incremental?  This and the fact it has taken three decades to install a statue (I know, exaggeration) and the wistful talk of weekends spent marveling the under soil heating at a L2 club in the South of England, hardly inspire much confidence in the group supposedly pulling together a Master Plan for investment in the ground (oh, and the fucking bike rack, A BIKE RACK!).


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 17:44:54
Did somebody say buy crack? I know a man ...


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 17:58:01
Will somebody just fucking give them a bike rack - it's been mothballed now!

Now - I will say I have not been in the Legends Lounge in a long time, so it may well be needing urgent work.  However, if it remains as I remember it, what on earth are they dribbling on about spending money on that area of the ground?  If you want to develop the ground and create new revenue, would it not be better to be identifying ways to invest Capital elsewhere.  You know, to create something new, additional, incremental?  This and the fact it has taken three decades to install a statue (I know, exaggeration) and the wistful talk of weekends spent marveling the under soil heating at a L2 club in the South of England, hardly inspire much confidence in the group supposedly pulling together a Master Plan for investment in the ground (oh, and the fucking bike rack, A BIKE RACK!).
Could they just not reinstate the Robinettes, turn them over and, voila!


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 18:04:48
Is the fair game review the trusts independent review of finances? Or are they just overreaching again?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 18:24:04
Is the fair game review the trusts independent review of finances? Or are they just overreaching again?

Fair Game don't as far as I can tell, produce anything.  I think the club are just handing over the accounts they wish to publish and then getting Fair Game to say they look right.  The org looks a bit self serving to me - sort of like a pressure group to try and get more money from the TV deal.  I'd be interested to know the collective Losses and Debt for the clubs who have signed up for example, if this was truly about teams wanting to run within their means.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 19:02:48
" I mean, we've waited for that wall about as long as Hadrian. "
AKA - the Stratton Bank roof

 :D


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 19:44:21
Fair Game don't as far as I can tell, produce anything.  I think the club are just handing over the accounts they wish to publish and then getting Fair Game to say they look right.  The org looks a bit self serving to me - sort of like a pressure group to try and get more money from the TV deal.  I'd be interested to know the collective Losses and Debt for the clubs who have signed up for example, if this was truly about teams wanting to run within their means.

Yeah i agree, I was more coming from a point of view of why is the trust arranging this - James soencer wanting to do his mates one last favour before departing


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 21:29:34
Absolutely no chance they will pay for undersoil heating :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

They’d need a few football pitches of solar power to carry that one off.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 21:57:01
Volunteers needed to light the hypocaust..


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 22:02:11
?


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 00:57:42
do you mean hypocaust? (spell check perhaps)


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 08:35:20
do you mean hypocaust? (spell check perhaps)

Fucking phone. Every bloody time, it corrects on adding space so I look, move on to next word and it auto corrects.


Title: Re: Questions for the Advisory Board
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 21:42:58

Fucking phone. Every bloody time, it corrects on adding space so I look, move on to next word and it auto corrects.


You can turn the ''autocorrect after space'' thing off. I tend to keep ''auto capital after period'' on but anything else like autocorrect is off. Sometimes will do a select all and spellcheck but yeah the auto after space thing can be a bit frustrating.

Unless you're actually a Nazi, then as you were  :girlgiggle: