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Shame but the opening fixture result looks like it's affected sales for this one. Looking around 8k at the moment.

Swindon 0-2 Salford att: 8,004 (178 of them)

Swindon 0 Salford 1 Att: 8,298 (98 Neville & friends)

Swindon 1 Salford 1 Att: 8,785

In 85/86 under Macari we only won 2 of the first 8 games, winning 2 and drawing one including losing the first 2 of the season yet still won the league at a canter with the record points haul of 102. We failed to score in 5 of the 7 games and shipped 14 goals.

At no point in the fuirst 7 games did we look like a side that had even played together before, I am hoping that this season pans out the same.

Last season Bristol Rovers lost their first 3 games and had 4 defeats and 1 draw in the first 6 games yet won promotion on the final day.

Teams need time to build fitness and togetherness and to put their stamp on a style of play and I feel we are still at least 4 games away from having that and I predict it will get worse before it gets better on the pitch.

Salford have made some good signings for this level and had a strong team last season that bullied and cheated their wa to a win at the CG, I dont see that changing this weekend.

Att:8,765 (67 Lowryites there).

Can't make it unfortunately.

Hopefully a week on the training ground will result in a bit more cohesion & some link ups developing down the flanks on Saturday.

Would be a good idea to get the centre forward involved as well.
Apart from a hint or two that Tomi can play with his back to goal, over 2 games still can't say if he's actually any good or not.

100% this.

I have no idea if Tomi can actually play or not because he has had no service at all in the 2 games he has played.

Also please swap Hutton and Shade, thank you. Hutton played last season as RWB at Barrow and Shade played LWB at Walsall yet we play them on the opposite flanks.

2 nil loss, with a toxic atmosphere kicking off when the 2nd goes in..

1-0 win, a few early nervy moments but a late second half winner sends the punters home happy and does an absolute world of good for supporter morale.

Just hoping for a good performance that gives some hope. 1-2.

Currently at the county ground watching SCCC struggle.

I fear that my trip to the other county ground will also be filled with disappointment.

0-3 away win.

Att: 7,998

Ha, I was going to predict 0-2 as well. Think you are probably spot on about the atmosphere going toxic as well if it goes the way we both have predicted. I'd at least like to see signs of potential on Saturday, even if we do get beat. If we surrender meekly like at Harrogate it's not going to be pleasant at all.

No McKirdy in the matchday squad - murmurings of discontent.

Another insipid performance - pashun boiling over.

Lindsey defends the indefensible.

Piece of piss 4-1.

is that McKirdy news a prediction or something you read?

Think he's on the wind up.

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1555172818270265344

Surely we can find a suitably sized shirt for Clem to wear..  this is not 2021/2022..

Looks awful!

Looks like he's been captured & held against his will.

Can't see anything other than a 0-2 loss or worse

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

And made to watch the rerun of the Harrogate second half on repeat.

The bastards!

Scott Lindsey key points:
- Iandolo out, Devine didn't train today but hopeful he will tomorrow
- Felt Swindon started well against Harrogate but things didn't go their way and fell off after halftime
- Gavin Gunning is a good coach, working with defence
- Salford are a very strong side, and are flexible in their formation
- chose Brynn due to his stronger pre-season and how he had dealt crosses
- No movement on transfers and Harrogate performance didn't change things

Harry McKirdy key points:
- "Saturday was not acceptable, it was embarrassing"
- The words "things take time" came up a lot
- Was enjoying the position he played second half of last season, but just wants to entertain and can still do that
- Fans need to back the players, but players have a responsibility to give them something to cheer
- Key to his play is enjoying himself

Reading back on some of the threads I thought that the TEF had managed to sell off McKirdy!

Reassured to know that he's still here.
A deft finish or two on Saturday will put a few farthings on the valuation.

Thanks Hyabb.

Really easy to misinterpret things on a forum.

"- Was enjoying the position he played second half of last season, but just wants to entertain and can still do that"

I read that as he preferred the 3 but can still do it in a 2?

Ooh err matron.

C'mon Swindon. 2-0 victory.

1-6  :eek:

At least we score our first goal of the season!

Scrappy win by a goal or a hard fought draw. Either will be fine as we steadily(hopefully) become a more cohesive unit. Goal for Harry please.

Going with an optimistic 2-1 victory

There is not a single side in this league where I'd be happy to take a point. Regardless of circumstance.

2-1 win.

2-0 defeat.

Yep same for me. Just can't see things improving that much in a week. Salford to win 2-0 with both goals coming late on as Town become fatigued !!! How poor have things become when I just can't see us winning at home against a team like Salford ?

It might be reading too much into randomness, but I do think it's a good sign that Harry McKirdy did the presser - if you were a manager with any doubt about his commitment or his respect for you, he's about the last player you'd put in front of the local press.

Did McKirdy really do the press conference? Did he do it properly or was he farting into his hands and then cupping them into Lindsey's face etc etc?

haha, according to the rumour mill he's handed in a transfer request!

literally just another person on the ffit course I'm on said. So no more itk then the rest of us.

like you I think it would be odd to use him for the press conference if there was mileage

I'm willing to bet all of the finest vintage Ouzo in Audrey's cellar that McKirdy will still be here when an Alt+F4 closes the window.

So, how much do we think Reed is worth then?

After saturdays performance, about 50p.

Hopefully the scouts watched that game and decided he's shite :)

I'm not sure many scouts use the fabled Swindon Town supporter strategy to decide on a player's ability...

For all the shitness of last weekend, and some of the weaknesses on display, it was one game.  This Division is full of shit, so on any given day even a team performing well can rock up and gift the other team a goal or find their random approach to attacking play draws a blank.  Even last week we had a few chances and could have got something out of it had we been the team that got that first goal.

My biggest gripe last time out was that we did not look like a team that had improved from last term, and everything was in our favour to have improved vs the preparation and budget for last season.

Town 1-2 Salford

Att: 9,027 (91 away)

Swindon 3-2 salford att 8455 - 200 salford mckirdy x2 and hutton

have no idea what to expect from Salford, have to no idea what to expect from town! 5 at the back at home didn't work for the majority of home games last season. it scares me that we haven't tried (that i know of) 4 at the back in preseason.

would be brilliant to start off our home games with a win and confidence. an early goal and i'm confident. if salford come to defend then it could be a frustrating one

0-2. 6,954

I think you’re well off on the attendance based on the seat map. I think it will be upwards of 9000.

I think you're out on the crowd by at least 1,500 don't forget we have around 5000 season ticket holders.

0-1. I have a feeling we are in for a turbulent few weeks on the pitch.

I hope to see a left sided player at LWB, and pray we don’t have to endure the Williams/Gladwin duo - Khan in for the former is my prediction.

I hope Adeloye receives some service tomorrow - he’s the one newbie who I’ve found it impossible to form much of an opinion of considering he has been totally starved of service in his two matches.

I must admit, I’m considering the genuine crowd, not the one reported if they include non attending season ticket holders. I know several who won’t be there due to holidays etc.

I've predicted around 8,200-8,500 allowing for around 500 season ticket holders not turning up so it will be interesting to see what the official crowd is.

I think they count all ST’s whether they turn up or not

You're right they do so wouldn't be surprised if the official figure is around 9,000 but with plenty of empty seats visible.

Got my ticket before the Harrogate horror show. :doh:

Hoping for a win, a draw wouldn't be the end of the world.

Going for a 2-1 win. MacDonald and Mckirdy goals. 8800 attendance. COYR

Going today… not very hopeful but hoping for a positive performance at least. Does anyone know what time the cricket ground car park is open from? I like parking there for a quick getaway and don’t know the area that well (Kent based supporter)

Interesting! What are your ties to the area? I think an improved performance today is a must for me, more so than the result.

Opens at 11 o'clock according to this:

https://twitter.com/swindoncricket/status/1555829505876443136?s=20&t=-ThB1Ia1VwCTW-DlrbA_zA

I thought we played quite well, Reed aside, until Harrogate scored but then became disorganised and fell apart. Hopefully, the new players will gel better so optimistically going for a battling 2-1 win. Hope to see Khan get 90 minutes, looked very good in his cameo

It feels like this game is unexpectedly huge for the atmosphere Round the club. I'm feeling confident, oddly. Come on you mighty Reds.

Thank you Sir!

I'm going with last week was a wake up call to the squad, Reed will have watched his performance back and will want to put it right, I've said it plenty before but he's our best player and if he plays well we'll look so much better. 

Harry will thrive coming back to the CG and there being buzz around the place when he get's a chance to run at the Salford defence, MacDonald will be much more settled and hopefully his experience and quality will show.

Just hope the apparent negativity isn't a majority and the atmosphere is positive overall.  Port Vale was kick in the gut but I was so happy to be there as the atmosphere we generated for the full 120+ minutes was special.

3-1 Town

I'm still not over Vale away. Agreed the atmosphere was class, if Davisons pen had gone in, it would've been some scenes.

Motorway was heavy going I had to make my way through a load of roadworks in Swindon.  Hopefully the pedestrian routes around the bus station are ok.

Khan and Wakeling start in place of Williams and Adeloye

Meh,

Is Harries left footed? Genuine Q

Club footed, apparently.

Just wondered if we’d look better with a left footed player in at LCB

To my knowledge we don’t have a single one in the team?

I’m a long ways away from what goes on with the club but I can’t see a world where Williams isn’t on the pitch if he is healthy

certainly a much needed shuffle of the pack

Like to see Darcy Bussell get some game time today.

Me neither.

Presumably because the head coach has decided, after last week, and a week's training, that this is the best line-up.

I think I remember them saying he was left footed yes

Believe Clayton and Harries are both left footed.

Yep, deffo left footed.
Some think that he's got 2 of them.
Wouldn't necessarily agree with that just yet.

Bunch of fans jeering Brynn and sarcastic cheering when he makes a save in the warm up. Absolutely pathetic

Or at least the ‘best’ line up that suits whatever system Lindsey is trying to play, but the jury is firmly out as to whether the way we play is the right way to play.

Warning in advance, the DRS PA system is still fucked. So much for fixing that over the summer….

Anyone just listen to that Gunning interview just now?

Nope. What did he say?

Obviously. Doesn't alter my observation tho'.Happy to be proved wrong

Indeed. Absolute cretins.

Some people do not deserve the right to an opinion on football.

Basically "I'm hard and people better not cross me". Always a bit wary of people who proclaim their self perceived "toughness"

Ugh, this has made me irrationally angry. Seen similar sentiments on Twitter. He's played one fucking game, in which he was no worse than most of the other, far more experienced players on the pitch. Even if he was dreadful, what on earth do these people think they're achieving?

This feels more like a must win for the fanbase than for the end of the season table right now.

Excited to see Khan and Wakeling start.


So he's bad cop then!

Here we go. Come on Town.

Shade on the left

Shade and Hutton have swapped from last week.

Shade is quite literally in the Shade in front of the DRS

Edit:  Scratch that, it's Hutton - but that doesn't help with the pun

The pun is more important than reporting the facts

Shade on both sides, perhaps?

Thomas-Asante er... isn't desperate to stay on his feet.

To me, Brynn dropped that rather than being fouled

Doesn’t seem any improvement on last Saturday. Turgid stuff from us.

McKirdy booked for... no obvious reason. Assume he's said something.

Salford seem to want to play similarly to us, so this is a test of quality. So far, not looking too clever but a long way to go.

Dear Salford,
Please may we have a touch of the ball?

Mckirdy booked for verbals

Baudry booked - not good

He'd been moaning at the ref constantly for about 10 mins!

We look half the team from last year.

Sorry, obviously it was for dissent, I meant it wasn't really clear what he was moaning about. There's not really been an iffy decision.

Khan by far our best player. The rest of the side look out of their depth.

Let’s not pretend this is anything other than a shambles currently. Wing backs clearly can’t defend and we are devoid of a centre midfield and centre forward.

Going to get someone sent off at this rate.

Someone’s going to get sent off at some point…

Mckirdy is going to get himself sent off today..

Shade booked

If Salford score were going to crumble

What's happened to our high pressing game Lindsey promised!

He’ll probably be hooked before that happens…

…and throw a hissy fit and set the rumours into over drive…

Lindsey wont last long at this rate. :crash:

I must admit, i haven't seen this - so far he looks like a NL player as far as touch and quality, plenty of effort though

I wouldn't say we have an obvious stand out good or bad just yet.

Being missed already according to the comms!

All the talk in the week was about being brave, we are doing the opposite at the moment

I’ve only heard our players even mentioned when they are getting booked.

never a pen

For having 5 in the midfield there seems to be very little control of the ball. 
Don’t have a player on the field that is leading the team at all

We have no discernible style of play at all. It’s nothing. Absolute dross.

Route 1 to McKirdy. Didn't think it was a penalty

We're being Garnerballed.

Bottom 5 club at the moment

433 anyone?

Nope, no full backs

We were promised a bigger quality squad based on stats, data & potential and would play a high pressing game this season and Lindsey was the best man for the job🤔

Have to change something. This is terrible.

Nobody is pressing at all. We’re letting them do what they want.

Let off. Let's hope that's a key moment.

Salford's woeful finishing is the only reason it's 0-0

Salford should be at least 2 up, we are in massive trouble currently there’s absolutely nothing about us.

Brennan looks hopeless.

This is  just ridiculous  Lindsey  sought it out what the fuck are you telling the players to do in training. :cry:

Thomas-Asante is a tough assignment but he's certainly got him on toast at the moment.

We do look like a pub side at the moment

Getting treatment now…

Brennan has injured himself tackling BTA

9 goalless games in league 2 at the moment.

Granted - but he’s kicked the ball out of play under no pressure twice too!

Pretty poor, yes.

Good job we got Harries on the bench

This has been our best 5 minute spell in the game

Kindest thing I can say is we’re not losing. Can I change my mind about Mckirdy staying?

Strength in depth😀

4-0

….in bookings ffs

Very painful to watch.  Look clueless

Sheridan was better than this shite.

If we go 1-0 down we're going to get battered.

I'm really worried now.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't laugh. We're only 25 minutes into a long season but this feels poor. They're doing what we want to do, but several levels higher.

Disciplinary issues looming😡

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Not quite THAT poor

Wakeling booked

125 minutes into the season and not winning games or not playing well is just about excusable…but…to not even complete - is poor and indicates this early there was issues with this team…

That was a bullshit booking. 

Other than the fact we looking shakey at the back, toothless going forward, disinterested and lacking any discipline. I’d say this half has gone well.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

How was the Rockin Robin Haka?

Fatigued 😀

I missed it, I was in the chippy, they were lovely mind.

“Gladwin tries to chug forward”.
Perfect description by coms of his athletic ability

Well that was obviously going to happen…

Lindsey’s half time talk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MA5Pjw_cZn0

You are fucking kidding me

It was coming, but that was completely unnecessary.

What a surprise.

In fairness we might be better without him…

Fucking joke lindsey outttttt. :badmood:

I’m saying it now, Lindsey won’t last to Christmas.

I have no doubt at all he was getting sent off but that simply wasn't a yellow

The ref is short and bald. What do you expect?

Stupid, but you have to say this ref is booking every one of our players for a simple foul, but not Salford's.

Absolutely. We've been complicit in our own problems, but the rules are not being applied equally.

Hopefully they’ve moved Xmas to the 25th August.

Our half…

That’s never a booking though? It’s shoulder to shoulder.

Agreed

Not the change of formation I wanted

We do look absolutely shit tho.

I think we have a double header at home against Colchester & Hartlepool.
I pencilled that in as when he was going to get sacked…

Load of fucking bollocks. Sorry but league 2 refs really take the enjoyment away from me. ALWAYS want to be centre of attention when they come to our ground. Ruined the game for nothing you fucking cunt. Fuck off.

Also agreed

More of a cumulative yellow I think.

I remember a poster telling me McKirdy dosen't get sent off!

I can’t believe Brynn is saving stuff.
I thought he was supposed to be terrible and written off after one game?

100%. We are awful.

My MoM so far in a deeply uncompetitive field.

…at least it’s 0-0…

We’re going to get another sent off aren’t we?

I’m surprised he could work up enough enthusiasm to get sent off. Reed clueless again.

Get shot of ‘em.

Jesus H Christ!

Never a sending off offence!

Disappointing half

Well he hasn't, until today, so said poster wasn't wrong

Lindsey probably lucky the fans anger is going to be directed at the Ref rather than him…

I agree they don't seem interested anymore

Tbf, the question is whether it was a yellow card offense, and it wasn't

The opposition look fairly competent. If only they could finish the odd scoring opportunity.

Reeds a great player in a team that is looking to dominate possession.

Pointless in this 'system' that Lindsey has put together, which has no coherence or thereat.

Lindsey is the issue, not Reed.

Reeds a stat padder.
Most of what he did last season was pass it between himself and Conroy.
…but people love to wank over pass completion stats

Well, the good news is it's 0-0 and Brynn has made a couple of decent saves at the end there.

There ends the good news. The ref is being harsher on us than them for sure but it's simply not the core problem - we look like a side without tactical instruction. Sheridan was mentioned earlier in the thread and that's the last time we looked like this. Under Garner we were always trying something, even if that something was frustrating and not working out. This looks like a Sunday side who've been told to go out and see how it goes.

Lots to be done at half time. If we could somehow shithouse a late winner it would be absolutely brilliant but Salford will have to continue finishing like twats and Brynn will need to make himself a hero.

Shit ref probably helps us as it stops the fans turning on the team.

What a cunt that ref is. So desperate to be the star of the show. It's never a sending off. Never. Just couldn't wait to pull it out could he. Fucking prick.

He's always had the potential tho

This next half will give us a massive clue to Lindsey's managerial prowess

Brynn our best player on the pitch that half

Are you asking for Expected Red (XR) stats?

mckirdy has earned his reputation of being a chopsy and gobby player. needs to deal with it

any other player and that wouldn't have been a 2nd yellow and would have won a penalty.

4 yellows and a red and haven't seen a bad tackle yet.

the ref performance is overshadowing yet another dismal home performance with 0 shots on target. no pattern of play and no build up that looks worthy of getting a goal.

brynn is playing like the bfg I saw at woking.

Every player has the potential to play at a higher level, they are not though - i don't get your point

Could you explain the system that has been put together by the coach.  I can’t seem to see one on the pitch.  Complete shit

Not asking for anything just talking about his flamboyant & often petulant character on the pitch

Very disappointing half.

No patterns of play, no sense that there’s a plan. Very concerning though I appreciate we’re still very early doors in terms of the season.

Not withstanding he was stupid to get booked for shooting off his mouth that was never a booking for Harry’s second yellow. Pathetic decision from the referee. Watching the replays I have no idea what he’s seen that makes him think it’s worthy of a card.

Nothing to do with stats, Reed has showed with what he did on the pitch that he was a quality player last season, not with his stats.  Reed of last season is better than any player on the pitch today, unfortunately we currently have this seasons version.

Oh my god, they are playing the Worzels 🤣🤣🤣

I don't blame Lindsey. Taking a month to promote what looks to be an out of his depth manager, and then fill the squad with far less quality than least season, is down to Clem.

I thought Baudry but Brynn a good shout too. Brennan can’t cope with their 10, Shade looks a shadow of the player Walsall had last year. We look clueless and the ref for some reason has it in for us. Be delighted if we get a point, but even before the red Salford should have been 2-0 up.

that was never ever a second yellow.

he is however a massive twat for getting the first

& Sandro

As a coach and past player.  
I just don’t see any leadership on or off pitch.  
That is a real problem if players aren’t buying in and giving effort
A real problem if you don’t have any leadership on the pitch.  
For me Johnny Williams is that leader even maybe he is t fitting into
Managers plan.  Have to have somebody to lead and control the team

Agree, but surely after the second soft/harsh yellow you adjust, be a bit smarter about it!?

Shade and Hutton look like they have lead boots on!!!

Aren't they supposed to be quick? and dangerous? isn't that the whole reason we signed them?

I thought it was Salford City.

Clayton coming on?

Never fully got the Reed love in and think on occasions last season he stifled us by always going backwards or sideways…but…on the flip side we always missed him when he was suspended.

Still don’t think he’s anything above a L2 midfielder who can pass sideways and backwards.

they were too quick for us

Ask yourself did we have to fight off other teams to get them!

Agree horrible second yellow but mckirdy has earned the lack of grace from refs.  
Best think that could happen is mckirdy wants a transfer and nobody wants him.  
Maybe that would finally shut him up

Appointing Sandro is perhaps the reason we were turned down by several decent managerial candidates. Again, down to Clem.

I agree.  Average generally.  Really good occasionally

Salford currently 2-1 to win on Bet365. Just lumped on considering how poor we look with 11 players let alone 10!

I never understand how Salford can be a named city when less than 3 miles from the centre of Manchester.

Good luck to Clem and Sandro selling anybody playing this brand of shite.

How about, appoint somebody who knows what they're doing, let them bring in 2-3 30+ year olds and maybe the other rough gems in the squad will play better and THEN you can sell them and make some money.

I didn't see the Harrogate game, but am shocked by how awful that was!

I think the ref has spoiled the game. Neither of McKirdys booking were worth a card. Wakelings was for a first tackle. Baudrys was well deserved and Shades was 50/50.

Defence is shocking.

MacDonald is awful. Brennan all over the shop. Hutton can't pass, other than straight at a white shirt. Gladwin looks more mobile but nearly game a goal away. Khan looks non league. Reed played 1 good ball.

No service up top.

Sorry, but this is a bottom 3 performance so far. We'll lose this 1-0 or 2-0. The scoreline will flatter us. The focus will be on the ref ruining the game and the 10 men doing well to keep the score down.

I can’t watch the inevitable in the second half.

All last season’s goodwill and attendance increase is disappearing quicker than Usain Bolt.

I would blame Clem for not spending the money on getting a decent manager.

Brynn made 1 good catch and one good save. One other burst through his hands and a fourth, he was lucky to get a free kick when he spilled the ball. Not sure he gets to be compared with the BFG. Not even sure I'd put him in ahead of Ward

Agree again. Will keep banging the Williams drum. Best footballer we have. Easily

My big fear was a perfect storm of stuff going against us leading to this exact scenario and so fair unfortunately my fears look founded.

We will have to agree to disagree on Reed, because I think you are completely wrong, and I am talking about Reed of last season, not what he is doing this, so far..

Darcy & Clayton for Brennan & Shade

That feels like a change of shape, unless Gladwin is going to wing back?

That's what Lou Macari would have done!

McKirdy was never going to get through the remainder of the game.  Lucky not have got booked twice for verbal with the linesman on top of what he got.  He looks like he can see what we can, that the team is shit.  We have had some bad defences in the past two decades, this 5 must be right up there.

To use others points as well, we look clueless as to what our actual approach is.

Nobody we have signed looks much kop after 135mins of viewing thus far.

This is beyond shit

Yea don’t blame Lindsay I blame Clem and Sandro- appointing an inexperienced manager and sub standard players.

And our budget was supposed to have gone up 40%- not on what I’ve just seen

Reed is Reed.

I’m talking about last season too obviously. Guess we’ll just have differing opinions.

Well at least Lindsey had the nous not to stick with 3 at the back!

Hutton, Baudry, MacDonald, Clayton
Reed
Gladwin, Khan, Darcy
Wakeling

I think…

Clayton LB, Hutton RB, McDonald and Baudry in the middle.

Would have been a soft pen to us. If it had been at the other end though, it would certainly have been a pen and a sending off!

Well, we look improved.

We couldn’t have looked much worse tbh

Att:9158 (125 Salford)

Nice run and shot from Darcy

Well if this is our response to going down to 10 then we need to do it more often.

A chance! Hutton looking dangerous down the right and a good cross to Wakeling, wide but better than anything we managed in the first half.

More excitement in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half than the whole of the first

I just think more energy and effort right now
Maybe manager is a good half time motivator??

McDonald steps in between Reed and the ref, first sign of real captaincy!

How the heck did that stay out from Wakeling?

Every tackle we make is a yellow card, the ref is blatantly one sided.

Williams on and we could sneak this!

That was a silly tackle from Reed

Well, that's an "evening it up" yellow if I've ever seen one.

Abysmal referee, seems like he is being paid to book as many STFC players as possible

With a bonus if he books them all

I don't like all this moaning shithousery. Didn't like it last year and don't like it now. Gladwin wasn't fouled just before Reeds booking. Reeds booking was deserved as he was definitely trying to make a point!

Ref is pretty awful

Decent crowd to be fair

Great save Brynn

Pretty sure he wan't going to book the Salford player until the crowd moaned.

Last thing we need is Brynn is go off injured

I do t want to keep beating a dead horse but I agree.  Get gladwin off and Williams on.
Try to get control of the match and sneak one in

Top save from Sol

What a save from Brynn

Bryan’s hamstring has gone, our preseason was fucking useless wasn’t it?!

Or maybe a tactical injury for a drinks break.

THAT was a good save from Brynn!

I think he has looked very solid
Seems to have better foot skills than ward as well

Think Gladwin is our best attacking outlet, but happy to see Williams on for him or Khan. As much as I like Williams, I do think the best I've seen him play has been as a substitute - he just plays very well against tired legs. Think I'd bring on Adeloye too, Wakeling working hard but it's a real slog as the lone forward chasing everything here.

Bloody hell I thought that was in. Terrific defensive header.

This is a fair point about Johnny.  But last year we had Payne to control the field when Williams not on

I’d be in no rush to change it at the moment…

I wonder if we will keep a back four for the next game.

We are absolutely the better side at the moment. Night and day from the first half.

I wonder if we will keep playing with 10 men for the next game.

Gladders should have scored there.

Deeply unnecessary yellow for Darcy.

The forced 4 at the back and sense of injustice has made us infinitely better. Ref doing the managers job for us.

My feed is behind but I like the long throw into box. 

chance after chance now. Should have scored.

Darcy's yellow was ridiculous!

Surely this ref is going to get pulled by the assessor after the game..

I didn’t see first match.  Is harrogate a significantly better side than salford?

My game summary.

We're shite, the ref was fucking terrible.

Totally different style. Salford playing a bit like us last year, lots of lovely football but finishing isn't quite there. Harrogate much more of a mixed side, but buried every chance.

No, Salford much much better

Is that enough bookings for a fine now?

How did Bolton not get a second red... after Wakelings holding back red?

A booking for time wasting. I suspect the ref may come up in the post-match.

Darcy and Hutton interplay is very promising.

We could win this.

Well If salford is better.  It is positive that we are holding firm even a man down.

Adeloye & Williams on
Wakeling & Khan off

Two fresh players to get booked

Adeloye and Williams for Wakeling and Khan. Khan has plenty of effort but quality not quite been there today.

I like the look of Darcy

Last year, Reed managed to get a red without stepping on the pitch...

I assume the ref has checked their numbers for booking already...

Harrogate are getting dicked by Crewe at the moment

You often joke the ref is biased, but this ref clearly has a hidden agenda against us. Where's he from?

Lovely hair!!!

Exeter 4 Port Vale 0  :pint:

Just thinking the same. Lots of energy and a bit of skill.

I think the word "hidden" is misplaced here!

Ok Johnny.  Don’t make me look like a dumb ass.  :D

Good bone structure

Hidden, as in Oxford/Reading/Brizzol fan

He's probably been paid by Neville and Scholes to book as many of our players as possible with an additional bonus if he books 11

Already got a nonus fir the sending off

Saying that Salford must be shit if they are not winning with the ref on their side and against 10 men

Or even a Gary Neville acquaintance😀

Maybe it also suggests that if an offer comes in for McKirdy we should take it

Aguiar on for Gladwin

Can't question team spirit, even if quality might be lacking.

Clearly some of the players who started aren't good enough. Hopefully Lindsey can see this.

Clayton been our best defender of the day since he came on

Yep, if anything going down to 10 men and getting rid of the wing backs 135 minutes into the season *might* be a blessing in disguise

Well, we looked a hundred times better with ten men. I hope it was a good half time talk and going to four at the back rather than just the unique circumstances of 11 v 10.

Salford surprisingly toothless against ten having looked very bright early.

Well, the result could have been a lot worse

The Bradford-Barrow game sounds exciting.

8 yellows for Town in a game with barely a challenge in it. Bizarre refereeing performance, but I think it's helped us in a strange way.

Much better 2nd half.  I hope we revert to a back four after this.  Clearly our back five were shit, and our best players are forward thinking
  Just go back 4 and get Darcy in, who is very busy and has a little bit about him.

Fair play a massive improvement second half being forced to a back 4 and extra legs in the middle. Let’s see if Lindsey swallows his pride & abandons the back 3!

31% possession which is understandable playing with 10

We'll, that was fucking awful! A real waste of an afternoon.

Second half we were much better when we played 4 at the back.

Brynn kept us in the game
Clayton kept Bolton quiet
Darcy has positional sense and a bit of class
Hutton was a different player in the second half.
Wakeling buzzed around. Liked him.
Adeloye - no.

I may be making this up, but didn’t we almost stumble on the 433 last season that turned out well?

Not too sure what to take from that.

Clearly much improved in the second half though seems to be an overall lack of quality in this side. Still, in the circumstances we’ve done well to get a point & the effort was there for all to see.

Horrible performance by the referee. Hard to view it and not conclude he was refereeing with some sort of bias against us.

I thought the same but I was trying to remember why / who got injured & forced the change…but…got nothing

Do refs get accessed on their performance in league 2 or is that only in the Premiership?

Just on the ref - agree he was awful, but think it's hardly a coincidence that we get more bad for us than good when we have a team who are *very* keen to have a whinge. Would be a surprise if that didn't influence the close decisions.

All refs get assessed in the top 4 leagues, not sure below

Sky Sports stats have Salford winning 7 fouls and us winning 14 fouls.
So they had one booking from 14 fouls. We had 8 bookings from 7 fouls.

The ref and the eventual scoreline managed to gloss over what was another very bad day at the office, worrying if the manager doesn't acknowledge this..

Looked like 11 v 10 before McKirdy was sent off.

Second half very even.  

After the 30:70 possession drubbing, it made I larff how nervous Salford looked at Hutton's long throws.

Very curious refereeing.  A clean game, actually.  I mean will Woolmer be allowed to continue dishing the cards out so keenly every game?  Given Wakeling's yellow for a tug back, it would only have been consistent to see a second yellow for Bolton when he did the same.

“Sky Sports stats have Salford winning 7 fouls and us winning 14 fouls.
So they had one booking from 14 fouls. We had 8 bookings from 7 fouls”.

The fouls are the other way around, but still stark difference in proportion of cautions

Think it’s a bit harsh to say it was a bad day at the office. It was certainly an awful first half but think we did alright second half.

Say what we like about Lindsey’s ability long term on this job but we were a different side after half time. He did change the formation straight away and the team talk obviously worked.

For as much shit as he is getting for the first half (and don’t get me wrong rightfully so) he does deserve credit for the turn around at half time.

Be interesting to see how we line up personnel & formation next game.

Did Clayton play as left back in the second half in a back 4?

Really weird way Sky call it fouls won. I’d class that as winning that amount of free kicks for being fouled. Not amount of fouls committed (which they actually have on their stat sheet but it says 0 - 0

In my book that was still a bad day at the office, 2 on the trot.  Better 2nd half for sure, but it would have been difficult to be worse.

If he reverts to a 3 he’s a fucking idiot.

Yes

Thanks. Did he look reasonably comfortable in that position?

I thought he was our best defender.  I will say though he didn't really play as a typical left back even though he was in that position, he spent more time coming inside and acting like another CB really.

Cheers let's hope he's taken out of league 2 matches after today's performance.

Lindsey:
- Haven't worked so hard before to get 1 point
- Proud of the lads
- We found it difficult in the first half as they played a complex formation
- We changed in order to combat their overload in the middle. Then McKirdy got sent off. It was a difficult game but became even more difficult after that
- The way we set up in the second gave us the opportunity to try to nick a goal
- That togetherness will help knit the players together
- Brynn: Thought he was outstanding. There were a section of fans having a go at him. It disheartens me when a section of fans can have a go at young players. It doesnt do young players any good when you do that. He is, and will be, a very good keeper
- We changed things from last week because of what we had seen watching Salford. Thought Wakeling could steal balls from them. Wanted to solidify the middle of the pitch with Khan rather than Williams
- McKirdy: The challenge was shoulder to shoulder and there was no foul in there. Think the ref had had enough of him then
- Managing McKirdy: Wouldnt think of taking him off. Certain things he needs to tighten up. But he is our goal scorer and a threat on the pitch.
- Bookings: Dont want to say anything as he would get into trouble. But you all saw the game
- We played against a very good side that will be up there at the end of the season. It was hard to negate their very good players, but we did so. Had we have had 11 on the pitch, the longer the game went on, we would have won

Thanks again.

I added to my original answer :D

Crisis forced the changes and galvanised us into a very good second half.

I wanted to see something, anything to give hope. We did that.

very difficult to tell if we would have done so with 11 on the pitch. As silly as it sounds.

Hutton down the right put two or three good crosses in.

Gladwin was like a new signing.

Darcy isn't a defender but he added much needed energy

Clayton steadied us up after an indifferent first half from Brennan

Brynn was a different keeper today. Quality.

Not much more to say really.

Well at least Lindsey changed it up, granted it was forced. Let’s hope he sees the improvement with the back four and we can kick on from the second half now.

Not sure it was *forced*

We could have quite easily continued 351.

What is it about the back 3 that isn't working? Is it that Swindon look v.weak defensively unable to defend the space in the corners of the pitch or is it more in an attacking sense lacking any fluency?

Either way, he deserves credit after the second half performance.

I think three right footed centre backs isn't really working. They seem to get in each other's way at set pieces in particular. I wouldn't mind seeing three at the back with Clayton one of the three, but I'd rather see four.

FWIW, I'd play 4-5-1, particularly with McKirdy out, and try Shade much further forward. Maybe something like this on Tuesday:

               Brynn
Hutton McDonald Baudry Clayton
        Darcy Reed Gladwin
  Shade                   Williams
              Wakeling

Both

Really could do with another forward now.

Brynn
Hutton, Baudry, MacDonald, Clayton
Reed, Gladwin
Shade, Darcy, Williams
Wakeling

4231

Unsure about Gladwin in the two but hey ho.

I think Hutton, Baudry and MacDonald would all prefer a back 4. Centre back pairing of Baudry and MacDonald ought to be useful at L2 level. On the positive it sounds like some of the new signings if used properly have some ability. I was worried that we might have a weak manager and signed a load of rubbish. Slightly less concerned on the latter.

Darcy can drop a shoulder, shoot from range and keep it in tight spaces. Has something about him. Worked hard off the ball too.

Wakeling worked really hard.

Hutton better 2nd half. Not sure how he suddenly becomes more positive in a back 4? with less security?

Can anyone comment on the complex formation Lindsey mentions in the first half as surely a decent coach would be able to change things during the game

Sorry, I summarised. He spoke about two or 3 different formation and mentioned lots of numbers, but since I was transcribing live, I couldnt catch them all.

McKirdy will be facing a long ban after trashing the referees changing room.

He has been wanting a holiday during the pre season. He’ll have a stretch of time to do that now.

A number of things, neither wing back can defend in fact I’d go as far as to say neither are actually wing backs. The extra centre back then means you sacrifice legs in the middle and you get overrun like we have been. We may be lacking full backs but we don’t have the played to play a back 3 either.

Being down to 10 men proved this second half, it was hardly noticeable we had less players than in the 1st half as removing 1 centre back allowed us to maintain the same numbers further up the pitch.

Cheers Nomoreheroes, the question was put out there to see if any observant fans understood what Lindsey was talking about.

That was a strange match. Did well to come away with a point.  

He hasn't been himself since having his hair cut off😀

Adeloye had a great opportunity and appeared to have no idea of what to do with it

I wonder what stats/data made us sign him!

Awful 1st half, but an encouraging 2nd half.

The ref absolutely ruined the game, I reckon McKirdy put him in a bad mood with his constant fucking whinging from the off. He got booked for mouthing off, but to be fair, the 2nd didn't look like a foul let alone a 2nd yellow card.

An unbelievable save from Brynn 2nd half and a very good performance form him, and deserved MOM.

Hutton was excellent 2nd half, oddly becoming more attacking when reverting to right back.

Wakeling works hard and was unlucky not to win another penalty, i've seen them given.
Darcy looked very tidy and lively when coming on, could be our replacement for Payne.

I think we have a useful looking squad, more options this season than last.
We desperately need a goalscorer though.

Maybe with McKirdy suspended we can see how Wakeling and Adeloye partner up.

I found the management staff in the dugout OTT.
Lindsay, Mildenhall and the other two twats, barking orders over each other all game, must've been counter-productive to have so many chiefs trying to be heard.

Sorry, what?

It's hard to tell what's fact or fiction sometimes😀

Wait and see.

???

Someone put a post on that awful fans group. It's since been deleted.

What did said post say?

Should have passed it to Willaims who was overlapping

https://twitter.com/swindonshirts/status/1555966013270786048?s=21&t=JHMN-XGYZa7gHxqatYJ2NA

That Jason Collard posted a lot of bs on there last year as well I seem to recall.

Who were the ‘fans’ abusing Brynn before the match? Good on Wardy for having a word.

I don't want to single you out but I'm going to single you up. you come across as a bit obsessed with the while stat idea even when explained numerous times how it works. I know it may be tongue in cheek but an observation

fingers crossed.. I'd be quite relaxed... but it's McKirdy

That performance should shut them up too.

Bring poor on your debut/last preseason game is fair talking point along fans.

But to have a go at him before the game? That's just stupid.

That save in the second half was outstanding.

This worries me.

Sandros recruitment has been ok. We need a proper left back and another striker.

But the reason we have been terrible is not due to having poor players - it's clearly because of the tactical setup / coaching.

Lindsay's coaching team seem to loud wide boys (fit nicely with some of the board members etc) and is he strong enough in his first job to pull them into line and put his imprint (if it exists) into the team

Need to:
- stop playing 3-5-2
- only play Reed if we actually want to dominate the game, rather than sit back and hoof into the channels as last week and 1st half today
- create some clear patterns of play

2nd half performance buys a bit of time but I can't say I've seen much evidence that we are going to outplay and/or outsmart enough teams, despite some decent players

As observed above, Darcy appears to be a useful addition. I fear that MacDonald's career with STFC may mirror that of Grounds.

I brought a friend for his first game today. Swiss chap who supports FC Basel. I think he enjoyed it. First half was poor. We really showed a lot of fight in the second half. We really looked like the team with 11 chasing the win. Credit to Lindsey. We really went for it. Whether or not playing with 10 affected us or not, I’m not sure! McKirdy bowled past the Queen’s tap afte the game wheeling a mini suitcase. He did acknowledge the fans but unsurprisingly he seemed frustrated.

my pre match fears of the 5 at the back were confirmed. i just don't think we have the personal at this level to pull it off at home games. it's not even like Salford set up to defend either, most of the first half they had a front 4. we really struggle to create when we play it.

2nd half the defence looked transformed in a 4. Macdonald looked so much more comfortable.

all of the subs were a positive.

Khan was disappointing. with zero evidence I think the occasion and attendance got to him. he tried to play too safe and got caught on the ball.

told you all Brynn was a bfg. some fantastic saves

Reed and mckirdy need to bite their lip. as a skipper and as a senior macdonald/bauldry should have dragged them away from the situations and tell them to shut the fuck up. not one person stepped in and your never going to win against the ref.

"mad gav" looked proper mad. Full on energy and as a defensive coach had a good shift. loved a moment in the 2nd half when he spoke to a ball boy by the dug out and gave him a mission to tell all the others along Stratton Bank to slow down giving the ball back.

To be fair with the stupid formation in the first half he kept feeling the need to step up into midfield to make up the numbers. Second half he was able to actually play his position.

The presence in the dugout looked like something from a Sunday pub league

It wasn’t shaving foam but I can confirm that McKirdy has been into the referees changing room and made a royal mess.

Further disciplinary action to follow then🤔

So did the team first half.

100% Jimmy.

Three at the back is garbage. It didn’t suit us last year, and doesn’t appear to this. 4-3-3 all the way.

Not good. I saw a post on Facebook saying he looked unhappy during the warm up and didn't acknowledge fans like he normally does.

I honestly think that was the most disorganised bench/coaching team I have ever seen during a Town game. No wonder the team looked so ill disciplined.

The recruitment on the whole looks okay, perhaps question marks on Adeloye. I just do not see that coaching team getting anything out of them. 532 needs to be binned immediately, although I worry we are heavy with DEF to play this formation and the wrong types of forwards to play 433.

To say 3 at the back is garbage is a bit of a stretch, it has had great success here and elsewhere and will continue to do so.  On the evidence we've seen so far it doesn't look to be best suited to us at the moment, sure, but to outright say it's garbage is objectively wrong.

The coaching set up today looked exactly what it is. Made up of coaches who have spent most of their career in non league.

What's the latest on Iandolo's injury as rarely gets a mention in the press.

it was mentioned in the PR... found it

FOOTBALL : @Official_STFC longest-serving player Ellis Iandolo out for a "number of weeks" with quad muscle injury #stfc

he's had his injury problems over the years

Interviewed by BBC Wilts before the game, replayed after.  Number of weeks is the party line at the moment.

Cheers Tom I missed that.

Confirm it then.

Feel sorry for the young lads to be honest, they are bearing the brunt from the trust the data lot whilst we got experienced players performing like absolute shit tbh.

Didn't like what i see from the bench today though i have tbh, players getting far too many different instructions.  Mildy i understand as he is concentrating on 1 player but the others were a mess calling out different players all 90 minutes and at one point Reed had 3 or 4 different coaches shouting at him

Finally, i would cash in now on McKirdy, we are seeing the beginning of the inevitable now

Of course, no worries.

Will take a point after the first half and going down to ten. Showed fight and looked much improved in the second half.

Brennan- very, very bad. Thomas Asante tore him a new one. Way off it. Think I’d rather see Clayton at left centre half if we stick with a 3.

Mckirdy- whether it was unlucky or not to get a second yellow, he was always getting sent off at some point. Rotten attitude from the offset today, crying about everything. Ref couldn’t wait to send him off and mckirdy played right into his hands.

Shade disappointing again.

Thought Brynn was class. If you booed a GK on his second game in the warm up you are a fucking cunt, simple as that really. Khan and Gladwin looked good in midfield today.

Referee? Bizarre. How the fuck he’s got a gig in league 2 I don’t know. Awful. 21 fouls 9 bookings, something like 35 in Bradford game and 3 yellows (seen this on Twitter).

Coaching set up bit of a circus today, 4 or 5 all screaming at once throwing arms about. Where do you look and who do you listen too?

Point better than none, now get that win asap.

Cash in how?
No one wanted him in the summer, let alone now…

Just wondering if he's being petulant behind the scenes trying to force a move or hes's been told we won't sell him unless a certain amount is offered. It wouldn't surprise me if we do a deal with Charlton with DJ coming back.

BBC Wilts played interview with McKirdy. He talked about the special bond last season and can't be recreated just like that, loss of key squad from last year, pleased for Payne but misses him and thinks 433 formation at the end of last season suits him best.

Got the feeling he is not 100% happy at the mo especially seeing his mates move on from last year. A few goals and some crowd adulation plus a couple of signings might get him going again.

Steve Hale called it on the radio that teams watching him will want to see how this season goes and that last season wasn't a one off given his past at other clubs.

Wasn’t there, so I didn’t see Lindsey and co acting up - but it’s a real pet hate when the bench act like hyperactive thugs.

Shame they couldn’t have done this a few weeks ago and won the league and kept those scummy bastards out of the play offs!  :no:

 :clap: :clap:

I think they did win the league…

Listening to the interview with the new defensive coach,I tend to agree with you

Didn't see the coaching staff throughout the game, where I am in the TE I'm directly blocked by one of the uprights so have nothing to say in that regard.

As for on the pitch matters, whether 3 at the back can or can't be good (it can), our best 11 for me has to be a 4 at the back, formations aside I just think our best 11 players includes a heavier stacked midfield, the diamond worked well in the 2nd half today compared to anything else we've seen so far, a 433 could work well too but we've not seen it yet and would probably have Wakeling playing the Yates role on the left.

At least there looked to be something that can be worked on in the 2nd half.

Didn't say we will, just said I would. If pre season and the 1st 2 games are what we will have this year I'd take whatever we could

cash in or not McKirdy has always been like that on the pitch. Surely we've not forgotten last seasons bookings already. he did tone it down .. a bit

the refs room, if true, what a nobend.

happened in local league at bibury when I used to play. Refs clothes in the shower. think they got life bans from the league!

edit: not suggesting that's what he'll get, local league punishments are a different planet!!

I just can't see it being true, surely staff members are around especially when players are sent off, especially when said player has a history of being a little petulant?   

I think Harry has toned it down a bit. Maybe not enough. Hope the rumours over the ref room etc isn’t true. We looked a better side when he went off but I feel that may have been due to change of system. I hope the coaching staff learn something from today. Brynn was great and I’m a bit disheartened fo hear about any doughnuts who were booing him before a ball was kicked. He certainly proved those “fans” wrong today.

I've actually forgotten to mention the Brynn thing, there were a group of younger fans in the TE booing his name when the team was read out and were also chanting for Lewis Ward.

How many times over the last year have we seen games where Garner refused to change tactics or had nothing he could or would do to change a match up or hold on to a point or 2 or 3 on occasion?

If we can do what we did second half against a shit ref who obviously had it in for us or a point to prove and hang onto more points this season then that's an improvement.

When the team came out after the second half it was obviously they were much more galvanised than the first, and made some actual chances despite being a man down. Salford should be embarrassed about today, absolutely should have beaten us and we're gifted the attempt by the ref but sounds like they didn't do much other than test Brynn a couple of times.

Oh and if some cunts are giving a brand new young player they've probably not seen play shit, 2 games into the season, they can go support the pox. Off ye fuck.

I think Mckirdy is going to be fine. Always difficult to settle into a season when you get no service like against Harrogate and then sent off early on in the second game. Can understand him missing his mates but I suppose that's what being a professional footballer is about. He'll be pissed off, give him a couple of games away to sit out his ban, team gets a chance to pick itself up, he comes back and slots back in starts scoring goals again and he won't remember these last couple of games come October.

We hope.

Still don’t think it’s true about McKirdy. He’s posted on Instagram but is keeping it zipped, if he’d gone completely off the rails he’d be throwing caution to the wind now about the ref.

So,  which game will McKirdy miss ?, Walsall or Carlisle ?.

Carlisle.

That's what I thought. The big fella from the strength and conditioning staff walked down the tunnel behind him. I wondered at the time whether that was to retrain him or make sure he didn't do anything stupid. But, it seems a bit of an odd rumour to come up with.

Not so. FA confirmed he will miss the Walsall game only.

So, the missing games aligned to the competition only no longer applies?

Dunno. Just saying what the FA confirmed which is in t’Adver

You only have to look at the Twitter accounts like 'Insider Swindon' and their ilk to see we have some very attention deprived fans who will make stuff up just in the hope someone gullible will take it as gospel and 90% will tell them to fuck off.

Could Darcy be the Payne replacement?

Anyway. That ref. After seeing someone say 5/7 were justified, I'm going over in my head to try and remember each one.

McKirdy - entirely subjective. It may well have been justified, but McKirdy's reaction seemed to be genuine surprise and the rest of the ref's performance suggests to me it's more likely the ref was being spiteful.

Baudry - don't remember this one.

Shade - This was for (I think) an arm on the shoulder which caused their player to fall over. Didn't even look like a foul tbh.

Wakeling - this was for a small tug of the shirt. Not a necessary booking at all.

McKirdy again - this was a coming together, not a foul. Ridiculous decision.

Reed - think this one was justified and actually he could have been booked earlier.

Darcy - again soft, think it was a shirt pull.

MacDonald - time wasting. Maybe. But given the rest of the ref's performance, it's hard not to see it as  OTT.

I make that 4 unjustified.

Performance wise for Town, exceptionally poor in the first half. Asante-Thomas had Brennan on toast, Shade appears to have no left foot, etc - all poor, bar Baudry and Brynn I think. Second half a vast improvement - really liked Darcy and think there's a player in there with Jake the Wake. Gladwin haters all in a fluff because he played well second half (not great first, but who was??). Khan put a shift in but not seeing what the fuss is about (yet). MacDonald looks rusty, but that's to be expected I think.

Most of them were soft, but not ridiculous. The problem was that the same standard didn't apply to both teams.

If that ref got an actually dirty game, it would end 7 v 7 - there just was no edge in that game at all and he still managed to lose control of it.

As I said before, I don't think it's surprising that we get the rough side of this though - we look like we try to get on the wrong side of the referee most weeks.

Probably the same people who keep begging Sendles-White to re-sign

Problem is with the bookings is with the game being like it was they were bailed on yellows. Shades and Wakelins were stupid pull backs that judging on how the ref was you just knew they would be yellows

If you can't keep your mouth shut and you have to commit a bunch of 'professional fouls', you will get booked. That is largely what happened yesterday.

A couple of comments from Salford fans saying we tried kicking them off the park😀

https://salfordcityfcfans.proboards.com/thread/3695/swindon-town-away

He’s an absolute unit as well, can’t imagine McKirdy winning that one!

The refs at National List level have regular get togethers so they'll be aware of every teams general approach to the officials. They will also be aware of certain individuals as well.

Can't be particularly pleasant to have McKirdy in your ear for 90mins, so fair play to those that take in their stride & maybe respond in kind.

I suspect that Harry, like certain tennis players, needs to be fired up to give of his best. Going out there cool, calm & collected might not work for him.
Probably not something that could be coached out of him at this stage of his career.

Would be interested to know if the club make use of a sports psychologist at all?

That's where strong management and leadership on the pitch would help.

In McKirdy’s defence looking at the replay he has posted the second yellow wasn’t even a foul yet alone a yellow, it wasn’t even a tackle. Usually you say a player should be careful when on a yellow but in this instance he literally did nothing, the referee got it completely wrong and was making decisions based on his opinion of a player rather than actual offences which just confirms he shouldn’t be reffing at this level.

Clearly not a foul camera side.
From behind (where the ref is) it’ll look like McKirdy has completely clattered him after he’s played the ball.

That’s why you have assistant referees but obviously they are just as useless. Ultimately the referee guessed on a key decision or worst let his emotions cloud his judgement but either way he’s clearly not capable of officiating at this level.

Can they not appeal it?

Cant appeal Reds via two bookings.

Not sure we’d even want to anyway!!

What does he miss one league game?

Fair point.
Just I can see why the ref thought it was a foul based on the view he had

In that case it’s everything I just said and crap positioning as well.

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Carlisle! Probably a good thing as he may have got into more mischief against one of his former clubs.

Come on Jimmy, keep up at the back.  :doh:
Deep breath & read it again mate.

The rules are the same, you get a ban in the EFL league and your ban carries over to the EFL cup.  You get a ban in the EFL league and your next fixture is the FA cup, then your ban carries over to the next fixture that is an EFL fixture.  It's all a matter of who runs the governence for the competition that your next fixture is in.

I think he was booked for deliberate handball. He went down under challenge on the touch line and effectively caught the ball expecting the whistle/purposely preventing the attacker scampering away (take your pick).

at least two others were yellows, even with my rose tinted specs. Both were drag backs of a player making a run into a promising position.

can't remember the last time we were so cynical in fouling.

The ref wasn't consistent though. And I'm not sure, but that looked a good shout for a penalty early in the second half

Apologies I stopped reading after LL's comment😀 Mickey Mouse cup so even better leaving him to wind up the Carlisle fans😀

Valid question though.
Had he been suspended for Carlisle then would there have been a case for leaving him out on Tuesday with a view to looking at the forward options for Saturday.

Fucking hell.
Ref was in the middle of the pitch! How is that bad positioning?
Sure, it meant he didn’t have the best view of the McKirdy incident but he’d need to be on the DRS touch line (…or better yet half way up the stand) to have had the best view of that.
I’m no ref but I’m not sure it’s would good positioning to be that far over one side of the pitch.

Whilst the ref was crap let’s not forget he makes his decision in a split second from the angle he sees.

That’s always been a shit excuse for this sort of thing though as first rule is don’t make any decision unless you are 100% sure.

Spot on unless of course you're mates with Neville & Co!

I agree Bob it would have given the manager a chance to look at his options. We need the transfer window to close to stop anymore speculation of players leaving......until January!

Yes but what if he is 100% sure he’s seen a foul from his angle?
He’s still wrong to the letter of the law but right within the parameters of what he has to make his decision on…

McKirdy was lucky to avoid at least one other booking.  It was a matter of time.  A couple of mins after his booking he was having a go at the linesman.

The rest were mostly for cynical fouls rather than force.  Wakelimgs was soft though given position on the pitch.

Wakeling's "drag back" was well into the Salford half with plenty of players back (don't recall the other).

Bolton (their one player on a yellow) also did a similar drag back.  Free kick but no second booking.

Had Woolmer been consistent (and accurate in the case of McKirdy's legitimate shoulder/coming together), then Salford would have been down to ten and we would have had the full eleven.

For whatever reason, the selectively blind referee probably helped us as we were transformed in the second half.

Credit to Lindsey there on his use of subs.  That aspect looked like an improvement on Garner, even if forced by circumstances and under-performance.

Woolmer isn’t symptomatic of my pet hate with referees. He was a Championship referee last season so he has clearly been demoted down the leagues. I really hate the fact that someone who has been deemed not good enough at a higher level can just get dumped on other unfortunate teams further down the pyramid. If an official isn’t up to the job at one level he shouldn’t the job at any level of professional football, the laws aren’t any different.

Last seasons stats

https://www.whoscored.com/Referees/137/Show/Andy-Woolmer

Well, this would lead to not having any referees in pretty short order.

League Two is full of players and managers who have either failed to make it in the level above, or are looking to perform well and get an opportunity higher up the pyramid. It would be... odd if the same was not true of the referees.

I do think referees should be full time and better trained/fitter by the way, but that would involve the clubs funding it. Right now we have middle aged part timers being asked to rock up on a Saturday and ref games that matter to people's livelihoods. It's not fair on them or the players.

At 57 he's also quite old to be refereeing at that level.

I can't remember who else, maybe it was shade and wakeling

thought the yellow for 'time wasting' was a piss take too

Assistant Referees are no use to anyone if the ref only wants them there to make up the numbers.

Too often we see the assistant looking at the ref to ask the ref what he wants him to flag.

The AR's need to grow some and start to tell the person they are supposed to be assisting what happened from their viewpoint. Don't just rubber stamp a wrong call by the man in the middle.

I hate all the bollocks with how the ARs always raises their flag only when the offside player receives the ball too...even when it's clearly obvious that the only player going to be interfering with play is the said player. There's no need to wait another 10secs to do so when the play has been in an offside position when the ball was initially played.

If this is the case, why not just have fucking robots going up and down the bylines with cameras on? Much like the athletics has had them for the sprinting to check who got over the line first. More fucking accurate but a load of fucking football purists don't want proper tech in the game as it highlights their corruption. Look at VAR...there is actually nothing wrong with the tech it's just the cunts operating it who aren't consistent.

McKirdy had it easy.
Tom Flanagan of Shrewsbury got two yellows for the same incident, followed by the ref saying "See ya later!"

So did Lee Tomlin last week who got two yellows for kicking the ball away twice.

I think it was decided pre season to increase the threshold of fouls etc that officials can now give,re.time wasting,players overstepping the mark,verbal backchat etc.I mentioned this to those around me in the Don Rogers,and they were not even aware of this fact.I think that the ref we had on Saturday was sat right in the front row when the new instructions were formulated,and boy,was his threshold increased.

Best ever 2 yellow sending off has to be Dean Gorre for Huddersfield against us for arguing over a throw in so much he got sent off.  Full on temper tantrum.

I saw the ref after the game being escorted to his car. A town fan also saw him and called him a cheating cunt. He was told by the security team to leave it. Something along the lines of you're kidding right he is a fucking cheating wanker, and one of the security team laughed. The ref kept turning away from this lads direction to avoid eye contact.
Was funnier than it probably reads on here he kept asking him if he was ashamed of his performance.

BEST... SENDING... OFF... EVER

FACT

Why do we have shit refs? There are obviously things like the suction of VAR pulling ones out of lower league but there's something deeper at play.

Because people abuse them. Who'd want to be a ref? The only people who stick at it are the ones who want to be centre of attention, those with a persecution complex, or who just really care about the game and want to see it played right (this is the minority in lower league it seems)

Much better to have some external reviews that actually transparently did something and refereeing wasn't some closed ranks 'deal with it internally' scenario. If a ref had a shit game admit it and treat it as a learning exercise.

Don't know the best way to go about it but I would imagine something like a bunch of professional from various bits of the game with no stake in the decisions reviewing matches. I also think that elite refs should have to do x number of lower league matches a year. Why do the Prem get all the 'best' refs, while the rest of the pyramid 'doeant deserve them'? Keeps the top refs honest by making them do Fleetwood Vs Barnet on a wet Tuesday night in December, and gives the lower refs a chance to learn by seeing how top ones conduct themselves and the game. A referee is there to make sure the game flows, not to disrupt play and wag their finger every 5 minutes.

Biggish home crowd for  bottom drawer game, carding Salford players wouldn't have got him centre of attention.

Was he not centre of attention already?
He set his stall out early on, did we really deserve 8 yellows yet them only 1? He was far from the best and probably the worst I have seen.

That was never a dirty game.

When you break then 8 yellows down
Dissent, pull back x2, handball, shoulder to shoulder, time wasting
That’s 6/8 right there without a tackle even made…

So according to his own (now deleted) SM post, Brennan was playing with a concussion. If so:

1) That absolutely isn't okay

2) What does that say about our other CB options?

your hope that's the footballer definition of concussion, not the medical one.

because playing with proper concussion isn't just not okay, it can be life threatening

You’re right it isn’t ok

I’m surprised the ref let this slide and didn’t send him off…

What's an SM post?  ???

SadoMasochism post 

On the topic of referees, I can't get my head around how bad they are. More specifically the ones at the County Ground.

You'd think if anything, having quite a large crowd, we'd be given the benefit of the doubt in home games. Subconsciously more than anything. A ref giving more to the home side makes his life easier even if he doesn't do it intentionally.

So why is it that every ref we ever get at home wants to be center of attention and make it his single mission to fuck off an entire fan base? like an above poster said, are the ones at this level really just trying to get a kick out of all the attention? do they really crave it that much?

In all the home games last season I can count on one hand the amount of 'competent' refs we had. It's a massive problem.

Also, I didn't see much of the ref taking players to one side and having a word. Straight out with the cards.

Would making referees professional help?

I'm not sure. If you get to league level you must have already reffed hundreds (?) of games. Other than more time dedicated to the classroom looking at scenarios to gain consistency what else can they do?

Fitness, but I don't think that is the issue here - they are never going to be as fast as a 23 year old pro footballer. Nor do they need to be

Do we know if it was concussion that Brennan went off with at Harrogate? Or whether it was sustained during the Salford first half? In both circumstances, if we allowed him to play on knowing he had concussion, that is disgusting, but even moreso if it stemmed from the Harrogate game and we completely disregarded the concussion protocols.

Haven't read back yet :)

Clearly a game of 2 halves on Saturday. First half we were an absolute mess as Salford dictated possession - granted they didn't do a huge amount with it - and we continued to be sloppy. Brennan in particular had an absolute shocker and Reed continued on from Harrogate unfortunately. And then you had the little hitler in the referee's outfit handing out yellows for nothing fouls. He clearly had it in for Harry booking him after 15 minutes or so for gobbing off, and he couldn't wait to give him a second yellow the first opportunity, a pathetic coming together between 2 players which could have been a foul given on McKirdy, but Adolf had already decided he wanted Harry off and so gave him the red.

Obviously I feared the worst as we had been useless in the first half but thankfully Lindsey showed a bit of tactical nous and changed from 5 to 4, and chucked Darcy and Clayton on and we looked much better with Hutton a changed player, his runs and crosses causing problems, Wakeling was unlucky with a header just wide. Sol Brynn had to make a few good saves to keep us in it but it was a much more competitive half and I reckon had we started like that we would have had a much better chance of taking 3 points.

It will be interesting to see if Lindsey abandons the 5 to go to the 4, I personally think the evidence of the second half showing should be enough and the energy of Darcy and the calmness of Clayton shows that we have decent squad options now. It's still far from good but there is the potential of green shoots based on the playing squad. It's up to the manager to get it working and we'll be off and running, probably after a meek effort in the Carabao Cup tomorrow night!

Oh dear...that first 45...eurrgh! Turgid stuff. Fucking awful, looked like a very poor side playing away.

Second half was a battle and if we were away i would be well happy BUT we were at home and should of be doing much better.

Ref decisions were typical lower league...never see cards like that in the Championship or the Prem.

I expect us to exit the L Cup tomorrow and hopefully improve on Saturday.

maybe we are getting the season we should of had last season , this season? I do hope not.

Due to holidays etc i wont be at home until the 1st October...good luck boys!

have a good holiday flash, not back until September myself

second half - we were down to 10 and I thought we largely held them at arms length. Am I looking through rose tinted glasses?

there's no ifollow of the carabao cup. ffs

I think we are getting the season we should have had after last season, last season should have been staying up, this about consolidation. We just over performed last season

I don't buy into that really.

We overperformed on the basis of the squad we had going into the games at Melksham, Hungerford, Weymouth etc., yes.

But the squad we had when both windows shut, on paper, easily up there with anything else in the division.

Lindsay confirmed he got concussion in Harrogate game, felt ok to play saturday, then felt bad again

Along with saying we’ve got no full backs so that’ll be back to a back 3 tomorrow…. Great!

So much for the bigger quality squad this season.

 Not seen any evidence so far of this 40% playing budget increase- that’s unless we sign players before the window closes but no sign of that yet.

If it doesn’t happen questions need to be asked

This was a clever phrase used by the club on the adver.
It was only pointed out a few hours after that it was a 40% increase on the budget of the whole club.
Every fan (including me) ran with it being the playing budget until someone on here pointed out the wording.

To be fair to Clem the article is quite clear.
Hindsight eh?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20185905.clem-morfuni-says-swindon-town-budget-increasing-40-per-cent-2022-23/

Need to stop this obsession with the budget, we had one of the lowest budgets in the league last season.  Recruitment and tactics, fair enough.  By the end of the Window we will have paid for more players than we have for a few seasons and we will have a bigger squad, there's your increase in budget right there.  Whether we have brought in the right players and played them the right way is another thing.

A reminder, for those that need it, of the restrictions that the club had to work with last season:

https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/sport/19431870.swindon-town-placed-transfer-embargo-breaking-five-efl-regulations/

Notable is that loan signings were only permitted for half a season (I didn't actually know that) and we weren't allowed to pay any additional wages to them. Considering the quality of some of them, we did well to negotiate the loans that we did get:

Suggest that you should read what Garner told the press yesterday...
"I worked under an embargo last season with one of the smallest budgets in league two."
If Garner is right and the budget was low possibly he did over achieve here.
We are aware Dion Conroy, Jack Payne and Rob Hunt who were most likely the top earners last year now gone.
Clem Morfuni promises 50% more than last year then why can't we get a proven Centre forward ?
Remembering, we had one of the highest attendances last year and the Management paid 3 million off the debts.  

it's been confirmed we had a bottom 5 budget hasn't it? I'm sure someone from the club  said it on some fan pod tutors thing.

makes sense given the monitored grant edge restrictions.

gawd know how we could afford the caliber of player we brought in and stick to budget

edit: first time I've heard of the half season loan thing too

The conditions shown in the Gazette link above are totally unrealistic and if correct would just be waiting for the club to fail.
It surely puts a different light on things.
 

A 50% increase in not a lot still isn't much so our current budget is possibly still quite modest.

Surely no other English football club can have a past like STFC and still be live and kicking.
Read an article about Derby County and their recent history and their could come close to Swindon's woes.
No, thinking about it Derby's situation would not come close !!!   

Clem Morfuni stated that the clubs budget would increase by 40% this season, not the playing budget. 

We are looking for a proven Centre Forward, the transfer window is open until Sept.  It's pretty common knowledge that the most sought after centre forwards become available at the end of the window once clubs have settled their squads.

Have you thought that the reason the management was able to pay £3m off was partly because we had high attendances last season?

It's not hard to get this, i am confused why some people are struggling..

I'll say it again, we have a bigger squad, we have paid fees for players, we will likely pay more fees for players, we still have 3 loan spots available.  Agree or disagree with the calibre of player we have brought in, and the tactics being used - but last season shows that the budget means very little if you get those 2 things right.

Yep - last season our budget was low and we all expected a real challenge.

Then we recruited well, punching well above our weight.  The squad, particularly the first team, assembled was good enough for play offs or thereabouts, in my opinion.  Either Garner or Chorley or a mixture of both did a great job in that aspect - I think the squad then performed to the expectations of that squad.

This season we have clearly spent more, but you'd be hard pressed to make a case on getting the same value from that budget as we managed with an even lower budget.  Right now I'd be struggling to think about us much more than mid table to lower league fodder.  That's based on a stupidly small sample though.

Agreed

Better get Forest Green to hand that trophy back quick then!

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20662435.harry-mckirdy-charged-fa-sent-off-salford-city/

McKirdy on an FA charge of accurately describing the match official.

"It is alleged that the forward's behaviour in the 43rd minute of the fixture, following his dismissal, was aggressive and/or improper.

Seems to suggest it was on pitch dissent rather than any rumours of changing room renovation.

Well you’d think so but the latest claim is the club deleted the CCTV footage so nothing can be done. Real tinfoil hat stuff.

So we're never know if he went into the refs room and sprayed shaving foam on his clothes!

If he had really done that, he would be banned already

I can't remember on here who posted that something had happened in the refs changing room but you're right it's something he wouldn't have got away with if anything did.

God Woolmer is a shortarse, that explains a lot!


Even if that is true, it's about 90% more likely to be a situation of incompetence as opposed to malicious action. Probably something like they only have the hard drive capacity for 24 hours of footage from their ancient CCTV system from the 90's as a surprisingly large amount of companies do.

Quite, and probably suspended by the club too

the way it was posted was also the impressive of fact. which with no additional charges shows it was gossip

Somebody in the know who actually wasn't!

Yes the Ref was a prick in this game…

But could tell Mckirdy wasn’t gonna last the game, literally played into the refs hands. He kept a lid on it back end of last season and discipline improved, back to his old self this season so far.

Wait and see. Mock or discredit me all you want. As said before, watch this space.

No he wouldn’t. Do you understand what an investigation entails?

Yep, and it would have been done and dusted by now and announced that he is under investigation for it.  Do you always communicate with people that way?

I would like to think that we would have disciplined him for that sort of thing internally by now. Hard to believe that could be true after this long.

Partey is still playing for Arsenal? McKirdy wants to leave, why would the club suspend him and get nothing for him when he forces a move or sits out? McKirdy isn’t your average Joe he is almost our talisman up top. Throwing protein powder was never going to go unreported. Just watch this space.

You are confusing me with somebody who gives a shit mate..  you just come across a somebody that is desperate for this to be true just so that you can rub one off and say that you were ITK about something - which is a little bit weird for somebody that sees Mckirdy as our talisman.

So gone from trashing the changing room to throwing protein powder has it? Make your mind up with your story.

The reason I would chose to do that is because would be the right thing to do. Sends a clear message to all that childish tantrums will be punished, not doing so would set a poor precedent in my view. Approach would be the same as for any player regardless of how good/talismanic they are. Am fairly clueless on the Partey stuff, so cannot comment on the suitability of comparing that to vandalism.

JUST WATCH THIS SPACE...

We're watching, but I won't hold my breath

https://twitter.com/FAspokesperson/status/1562379245070028800

Three match ban for McKirdy. Kinda expected worse. I think that's in addition to the one he already served.

Right prick.

Could be the last we have seen of him then.

Hope he learns from this, could have been a lot longer ban, we could struggle without him for the next 3 games just as he started to look like last seasons player again.

Probably about right. Glad the incident itself wasn’t quite as bad as some were suggesting. He’s still an idiot.  :doh:

Was expecting them to make an example of him so bit of a result. Can’t have been quite as big an offence as some made out, classic case of Chinese whispers where something gets added to the story by everyone that hears it.

Really shame if it is then
In my opinion football needs people with character.
Possibly Harry has a bit to much at the moment though.

He’ll never learn

Some players never do, although hes not quite on the same level he is a bit hot headed like Robin Friday the ex Cardiff and Reading striker.

Bags of talent and arrogance but also a bit of an idiot with it, his career was cut short by his issues, I hope Harry can change enough to have a longer career than he did, giving up football in his mid 20s with a similar career games/goals record as Harry now has too.

He’s 25 now.

The probability of him learning now I’d suggest is quite slim.
Plus, you take the McKirdyness out of McKirdy and you probably end up with a much worse footballer.

At least his McKirdyness is childish rather than illegal or violent like a certain Ranger we once had

But is Harry without Harry still Harry?

What a player Robin Friday was.
The lower league George Best, oozed talent, sometimes out of the ordinary but in equal measures the watering holes of Reading where he would often be found only hours before kick off.
Sadly his life ended very early, he went out with a bang in the script he wanted.

Cracking read “The Greatest Footballer you never saw.”

Never got to see him play live but have seen a few highlights of him and he was very much like McKirdy in his "couldnt care less" outlook to playing and the way he used to just pick the ball up and run at players with a swagger and often score. Shame he had other demons that cost him his life in the end.

He threw a bottle ffs hardly killed anyone has he

Yeah. Something every player does.

Ah come on. He has actively gone out of his way and been a twat.

behaviour like that is just embarassing

You are indeed correct.  He threw a bottle and got a 3 game suspension from a sport while likely still being paid (maybe he will have to give a little back as a fine).  If he had murdered the Ref he would of course be facing life in prison, which does indeed prove your point.  The two are not alike at all, which is likely why he only got 3 games and not life in prison.  Phew.

Don't remember Wes getting a ban for kicking a bottle when subbed

Wes kicked a bottle on the side of the pitch. A perfectly normal place you’d expect a footballer to be during a game.

Harry has gone into an area he shouldn’t have been in and thrown a bottle which he must have already had and not thrown until he’d entered that exact location he shouldn’t have been in.

It’s like me going into a supermarket picking up a bottle of water off the shelf, walking out the store with it and getting arrest for shop lifting and going ‘well I don’t get arrested when I take bottles of water out my house’

Irrelevant now, but it’s an over reaction from the EFL. A headbutt that could cause serious injury, will get you 3 games. McKirdy gets 4 for a dubious yellow and a childish reaction. I don’t like his indiscipline one bit and I’d discipline him internally for it, but the FL have their priorities wrong.

Fair enough, decent analogy. Frustrations mostly from the referee performance leading to the red which was completely the wrong circumstances and next game the ref got promoted to the championship. Seems unfair to punish so severely given the circumstances where violent conduct (Nunez headbutt) gets the same, but that’s football I guess

Beat me to it!

If all he had done was go into the Referee's room (when he expected the Ref to be there based on the description available) he would have received a ban.  To then chuck a protein shake at the wall, he can't really have much to grumble about.  Vardy got a one match ban once for pointing his finger at the ref and having a pop.  I bet McKirdy didn't have to clean everything up himself either, so some poor shmuck at the club had to clean everything up after him as well no doubt.

Ref had to go home in clothes from lost property too!

Reckon he'd probably have got more than three games for murder tbh.

Unlike the 2nd booking, the ban has been a fair decision.

Just to be clear however:  the McKirdy package - "good" and "bad" - is indivisible.  

Not all of them, but there are still many players with far more serious flaws whom I'd love to have watched in a Swindon shirt.  

We're in L2.  McKirdy is entertainment gold for everyone.  On the pitch, in the dugout, in the ground - including the censorious. He plays for us.  I'm very happy about that.

McKirdy kicks ball in goal.

Kicking ball in goal is good.

We should keep people who kick ball in goal.

If he can continue to perform after not getting the move he wants then brilliant.

Do we know he firstly wants a move and secondly wants a specific move…or…are we just assuming he wants out because our players usually do…

I know a couple of players and coaching staff at the club and they have all said he would really like a move but without actually engineering one himself, preferably closer to London but is open to anywhere if its at a better level than L2, this was only in part caused by losing his best mate Payne.

You can't keep an unhappy player as he won't perform. I agree with DMC. If he stays and still performs to the same level then that would be great for the club, but with the petulance of Harry will he do that? can he do that? or will he sulk?

Wanting a move because a player you have only ever played 1 season with during your whole career is fucking baffling.

Footballers are transitory and always will be. We’ve all seen the good ones come and go - well, go mostly - yet the club and fans endure.

It’s no big deal if Harry goes too.

Well being one game away from a better level than L2 was in his own hands but he fucked it up.

Have a feeling that protein shake temper tantrum aside, he might be a good pro on a day to day level.
If he does stay then I don't doubt that he'll be trying his best.
Time is still on his side.

I disagree with this completely.

(obviously the assumption that he continues to perform is made )

we have been pretty crap finding forwards. to do so with less than a week to go is less than ideal.

unless we've given up on the season already. in which case go for it.

I think Wakeling has the potential to be a Harry replacement. Granted he's not as exciting and I'd rather Harry and Jake in the same side, but from what I've seen so far I've been impressed.

Clearly we still have to replace Harry should he be sold and I doubt Massey, Tomi or Harry P are going to be those players. I'm sure Sandro is busy creating Pivot tables on his fancy spreadsheet as I type.

Have Town given up on Harry Parsons as a first team squadder this season?

If Sandro's half the statto he's supposed to be then he should have a selection of personnel lined as a replacement for everyone in the team. Football's a fickle game and one purple patch at the end of a window can lead to transfer madness and players changing hands for seemingly no reason.

I hope Harry is here next year. But we're a league 2 side, and we have to be realistic.

The club will endure, but is likely to be shitter on the pitch and score less goals.  Less fans will go as a result and those that do would will be less entertained.

Pretty much everyone that pays their money and time to watch us week in week out, home and away, would want him to stay.   Any replacement we get will almost certainly be boring in comparison even if, and it's a big if, they score as many goals.

Lindsey & Clayton

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7z0933P_R_k

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=672bSH0STUM

Wrong thread there Jimbo.