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Title: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 1, 2022, 09:46:02
Another season another sacking frenzy incoming


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 20:15:33
Lee Bowyer gone as head coach of Birmingham


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 20:22:32
Lee Bowyer gone as head coach of Birmingham

Could go back to Charl….wait…


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 20:38:05
Not until Christmas ;)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 3, 2022, 17:51:15
Birmingham City have appointed John Eustace as their new head coach.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, July 3, 2022, 17:53:24
Not far to travel from his previous club


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 3, 2022, 17:54:17
Birmingham City have appointed John Eustace as their new head coach.
What? In a matter of days? Madness!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, July 3, 2022, 17:55:31
Probably on a fraction of Bowyers wages


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 18, 2022, 14:46:48
And we're off..

https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2022/august/clubstatement/

Obviously just before our game. Why wouldn't it be


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, August 18, 2022, 14:49:43
New manager bounce I may have to change my 2-0 home win score prediction🤣


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 18, 2022, 15:35:05
And we're off..

https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2022/august/clubstatement/

Obviously just before our game. Why wouldn't it be

Oh hell.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, August 18, 2022, 15:37:57
Ready made excuse for Saturday now.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: adje on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 09:02:09
New manager bounce I may have to change my 2-0 home win score prediction🤣
What happened to our "new manager bounce"?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 09:08:31
They only happen to other teams, we don't have them...


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: adje on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 09:12:58
They only happen to other teams, we don't have them...
True enough!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 09:42:05
What happened to our "new manager bounce"?

We had that last season don't be greedy😀


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 15:58:44
Rochdale was more of a new manager splat.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 15:59:37
Rochdale was more of a new manager splat.

You'd avoid taking that job for any reason other than a need for money to pay your bills.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: oxonrobin on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 16:05:24
You'd avoid taking that job for any reason other than a need for money to pay your bills.

A free hit I guess? Hard to see anything other than a relegation on the CV for whoever takes it on.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 16:06:53
Rochdale amaze me - they always seem to be a poor team whenever we play them at home, yet they bob around at this level easily enough.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 16:07:11
A free hit I guess? Hard to see anything other than a relegation on the CV for whoever takes it on.

Too early in the season for a free hit I’d have thought.

If it was March I’d agree


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: oxonrobin on Saturday, August 20, 2022, 16:08:13
Might be March before anyone says yes


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, August 27, 2022, 07:16:18
Jim Bentley set to become Rochdale’s new manager.

Strange one up at Sunderland. Alex Neil has resigned to join Stoke.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bedford Red on Saturday, August 27, 2022, 08:11:18

Strange one up at Sunderland. Alex Neil has resigned to join Stoke.

Yeah, i saw that yesterday. Not sure what the draw is about the Stoke job that's enticed him from Sunderland. I would have thought he's got more chance of success at Sunderland than Stoke.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, August 27, 2022, 08:30:02
He was only on a 12 month rolling contract at Sunderland.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, August 27, 2022, 09:41:31
Sunderland managers job has always been a poison chalice.

Massive club with a huge fanbase and great history languishing well below the level they should be at and the level the fans expect, paying large wages and a huge squad has hindered them rather than helping them on the pitch it seems.

Not many managers with the balls to take that job I would think.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, August 27, 2022, 13:00:43
Dyche might fancy it.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, August 27, 2022, 13:03:37
Dyche might fancy it.
If they throw enough money at him then maybe, tough crowd to please though them Mackems.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, August 27, 2022, 13:06:03
If they throw enough money at him then maybe, tough crowd to please though them Mackems.

He's the bookies favourite so it will be interesting to see how ambitious Sunderland really are.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 07:35:57
Scott Parker gone from Bournemouth


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 07:37:49
I mean sure they’ve won 1 and lost 3 but their fixtures have been Villa, Man City, Arsenal & Liverpool ffs

Not many other teams in the league are going to come out of those 4 fixtures with more than 3 points.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 07:55:03
Quote
AFC Bournemouth can announce that the club has parted company with head coach Scott Parker.
Maxim Demin said: “I would like to place on record my gratitude to Scott and his team for their efforts during their time with us. Our promotion back to the Premier League last season under his tenure will always be remembered as one of the most successful seasons in our history.
“However, in order for us to keep progressing as a team and a Club as a whole, it is unconditional that we are aligned in our strategy to run the club sustainably. We must also show belief in and respect for one another. That is the approach that has brought this club so much success in recent history, and one that we will not veer from now. Our search for a new head coach will begin immediately.”
Gary O’Neil will take interim charge of the team, and will be assisted by Shaun Cooper and Tommy Elphick.

The sustainability bit in that statement is gold.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: adje on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 08:15:23
When they inevitably go down,who better than Parker to get em back up?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 08:18:43
Parker will come to Swindon


As owner with his pay off........................


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 08:53:08
When they inevitably go down,who better than Parker to get em back up?

Wonder if Dyche will turn up there


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 08:55:20
Very harsh on Parker but I know a couple of Bournemouth fans and they didnt like his style of play even last season when they so nearly won the league title, seems very knee jerk though as stated above look at the teams they have played.

Must be more to it than just Saturdays result, loads of muff fans were very upset at his comments post game and general complaining over the last month and that seems to have been the tipping point for the owner too.

Got Sean Dyche written all over it for the job.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 09:11:01
I fucking hate Bournemouth.

That’s all.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 09:22:07
I fucking hate Bournemouth.

That’s all.
I’m with you on that. Thought it might dissipate a bit when Head Boy left for Newcastle with his smug ‘hit me with a shovel’ face.

But no.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 09:24:54
I fucking hate them too, no sympathy at all for them.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: harrisonaw on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 09:42:55
Fairy tale   :)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 11:17:49
Their statement reads like Parker was getting tetchy about not being able to Notts Forest it.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 11:22:28
They need to get back to league 1 where they belong😀


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 11:40:50
They need to get back to league 2 where they belong😀

Get it right Jimmy.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 11:50:08
Get it right Jimmy.

That's magic😀
I was banking on us being in league 1 in a couple of years as it's a decent away day!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: adje on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 11:51:47
I fucking hate Bournemouth.

That’s all.
Me too. Remember them with their begging buckets a few years back. Fuck em


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 19:27:23
Dyche might fancy it.

Fingers crossed for a motivational WAV file from him.

Bournemouth still owe me the quid I gave them back when the buckets were out. Sustainable my Harris.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 30, 2022, 21:18:25
Tony Mowbray gets the Sunderland job


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:46:35
Tuchel sacked from Chelsea


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:47:23
Tuchel sacked from Chelsea

Goodness me.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:53:28
Tuchel sacked from Chelsea

Give it to McKirdy until the end of the season!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 09:09:24
Tuchel sacked from Chelsea

Wow.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bewster on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 09:16:31
Give it to McKirdy until the end of the season!

Give it to SL til the end of the season


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 11:26:38
Tuchel sacked from Chelsea

I’d take him down here tbf


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 11:28:50
Potter linked..

(Chelsea that is )


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 12:28:04
Potter linked..

(Chelsea that is )

That has calamity written all over it. A long-term approach, systems manager working for a club that want success yesterday and have an itchy trigger finger.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 12:33:51
Itchy trigger finger - same as some STFC fans….


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 12:35:38
Itchy trigger finger - same as some STFC fans….

Same as many football fans at every club. Much more of a problem when it's the owners and decision makers who don't really have a plan, just react to events as they happen.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 12:36:00
That has calamity written all over it. A long-term approach, systems manager working for a club that want success yesterday and have an itchy trigger finger.

For who? Not for Potter. Brighton have a ceiling in the premier league and even if Potter fails at Chelsea, the majority of the blame will be on the club and players, given how they treat all managers. You don't often get offered a job at that level of club. He could get sacked from Chelsea and still get the England job for example, and make bank while at it.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 13:04:23
Itchy trigger finger - same as some STFC fans….
question. has a swindon manager in say the last 20-30 years ever managed to turn a club/fans views around?

di canio had a rough start but always the fans on board.

I always feel like the club hold on to people for too long but its a fine line. Barton could very easily have been sacked by December last year but turned it round. I never really see this at swindon. it's either all good or all shit. never really fluctuates from shit to good for us and most sackings are justified.

I so want lindsey to do good as all of our managers. this bad vibe from day 1 and the season is playing out in the same style


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 19:38:52
I’d say 2 of the last 3. Wellens and Garner. Both came with the same “cheap option” concerns.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 06:49:29
I’d say 2 of the last 3. Wellens and Garner. Both came with the same “cheap option” concerns.

Both by winning games early although Garner was always going to be given some slack given the shitshow he took over.

Any manager not winning games for a team expected to be challenging is going to be under pressure. If they have been good elsewhere or a played to a decent level it will give them a bit more time, or a window if taking over mid season.   


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 07:18:48
I see some of the Charlton fans are moaning about Garnerball already. Best wait until the home winter games  :)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DMC on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 08:46:26
Both by winning games early although Garner was always going to be given some slack given the shitshow he took over.

Any manager not winning games for a team expected to be challenging is going to be under pressure. If they have been good elsewhere or a played to a decent level it will give them a bit more time, or a window if taking over mid season.   
To be fair i am sure Wellens lost 4 out of his first 6 games including his first 3 at home. He has been on a hiding to nothing from the minute he got the job.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 08:54:11
To be fair i am sure Wellens lost 4 out of his first 6 games including his first 3 at home. He has been on a hiding to nothing from the minute he got the job.
Wellens first 8 games we only suffered 2 defeats LWWWLDDD 1 home to Carlisle and away at Grimsby. 3 defeats if you count the FA cup home game.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 09:44:19
Bloody hell, COVID and lockdowns has really screwed with my sense of time.

I already forgot Wellens came in during November *2018*, straight after Brown, and that the good season wasn't until the season after.



Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DMC on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 15:06:06
Wellens first 8 games we only suffered 2 defeats LWWWLDDD 1 home to Carlisle and away at Grimsby. 3 defeats if you count the FA cup home game.
Of course, i was looking at Browns the season before


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 14, 2022, 09:13:57
Danny Schofield gone from 'Uddersfield


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: oxonrobin on Wednesday, September 14, 2022, 18:02:17
Decisive from Huddersfield. Early, but makes more sense than the 2 high profile Prem sackings so far. If Swindon were stuck on 4 points would SL still be here?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, September 14, 2022, 18:06:06
Decisive from Huddersfield. Early, but makes more sense than the 2 high profile Prem sackings so far. If Swindon were stuck on 4 points would SL still be here?
Yes.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 15, 2022, 14:19:02
Sheridactyl gone from Oldham


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, September 15, 2022, 14:20:51
The Magic has worn off😀


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 15, 2022, 14:59:11
Sheridactyl gone from Oldham

They'll probably cut out the middle man and get him in to replace himself.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 15, 2022, 16:37:08
Some shezurrection


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, September 18, 2022, 12:53:17
Steve Morison sacked at Cardiff


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, September 18, 2022, 13:55:54
Hartley hares it from Hartlepool


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, September 18, 2022, 14:35:30
Steve Morison sacked by Cardiff too.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Sunday, September 18, 2022, 17:25:56
Busy weekend, Wayne Brown shown the door at Colchester!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 19, 2022, 03:56:19
Keith Curle gets the Hartlepool gig.

I thought appointments took 6 weeks


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, September 19, 2022, 07:04:34
Wait six weeks or take Keith Curle - what's your preference?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 19, 2022, 09:05:23
Wait six weeks or take Keith Curle - what's your preference?
6 weeks every time!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 19, 2022, 09:14:13
To be fair while we bungled our appointment, to take 6 weeks after actually sacking a manager would be worse


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 19, 2022, 09:44:14
To be fair while we bungled our appointment, to take 6 weeks after actually sacking a manager would be worse
Indeed but if they waited 6 weeks and then STILL appointed Curle would be way worse!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, September 19, 2022, 12:37:32
To be fair while we bungled our appointment, to take 6 weeks after actually sacking a manager would be worse

To be fair though, when we were trying to get a new manager I'm guessing a lot of the candidates were on their holidays as it was off-season


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:20:10
Not sure that it can be said with any certainty that the appointment was bungled.

Presumably people on here have been subject to an internal promotion at work?
What happens,
a) take whatever package is on the table,
b) insist on the market rate or pay parity with the previous post holder.
c) Take less but negotiate with a view to regular performance related reviews for example.

Options b & c could take some time & try the employers patience depending on how keen they are.

Once in post do people then view themselves as the cheap option?
Probably not, more likely as entirely deserving of the promotion.


Title: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycli
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:31:11
Bungled may be the wrong word.

I don't think he was first choice, but that doesn't really matter


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:52:49
To be fair though, when we were trying to get a new manager I'm guessing a lot of the candidates were on their holidays as it was off-season

With their agents?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 19, 2022, 14:08:10
Not sure that it can be said with any certainty that the appointment was bungled.

Presumably people on here have been subject to an internal promotion at work?
What happens,
a) take whatever package is on the table,
b) insist on the market rate or pay parity with the previous post holder.
c) Take less but negotiate with a view to regular performance related reviews for example.

Options b & c could take some time & try the employers patience depending on how keen they are.

Once in post do people then view themselves as the cheap option?
Probably not, more likely as entirely deserving of the promotion.

I am sure there some empirical evidence to prove me wrong, but in my experience, internal promotions are indeed often much less costly than recruiting externally and generally quite swift to conclusion.  People have far less of a tendency to negotiate with their existing employer and to recruit externally you have two cost factors - first the recruitment costs themselves, and second, the fact you generally have to entice people away from secure employment and you pay a premium to take existing experience (you don't generally recruit someone who is more junior when doing so externally, so there is a bigger salary premium than taking an internal hire who is stepping up).


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 19, 2022, 14:30:50
I am sure there some empirical evidence to prove me wrong, but in my experience, internal promotions are indeed often much less costly than recruiting externally and generally quite swift to conclusion.  People have far less of a tendency to negotiate with their existing employer and to recruit externally you have two cost factors - first the recruitment costs themselves, and second, the fact you generally have to entice people away from secure employment and you pay a premium to take existing experience (you don't generally recruit someone who is more junior when doing so externally, so there is a bigger salary premium than taking an internal hire who is stepping up).

Aye, my own experience was effectively ending up taking on two jobs, saving the employer a packet in the process.
Probably common practice at the time.
Out of the employment ladder loop for about 7 years with being self employed. Much better work / life balance as a result.

So yeah, SL may well have worked out as the cheaper option. He may yet prove to be successful.
Don't think that the cheap option appointment should be used as a stck to beat the club with whenever the scenario arises.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 19, 2022, 15:40:34
Indeed, I have been the "cheap" option a few times I imagine, but think I have done OK!


Title: Re: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 06:19:13
Hartley hares it from Hartlepool
Only got their pool left?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 21:24:19
I see David Unsworth has taken the Oldham gig, Francis Jeffers as assistant.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 16:01:48
Derby looking for another Manager!

Rosenior gone.

Lost three of twelve games played. EEk!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 16:07:42
Derby looking for another Manager!

Rosenior gone.

Lost three of twelve games played. EEk!

Staying on the coaching staff. They are after Paul Warne


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 16:09:33
Pretty sure he won't go, and good on them for for sticking with him considering how trigger happy modern football is, but Howe is getting a pretty easy ride at Newcastle considering the start they have had (very similar to ours until we won the last couple and the vultures were circling Lindsey in the stands) and the cash they have spent.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 17:00:16
Pretty sure he won't go, and good on them for for sticking with him considering how trigger happy modern football is, but Howe is getting a pretty easy ride at Newcastle considering the start they have had (very similar to ours until we won the last couple and the vultures were circling Lindsey in the stands) and the cash they have spent.

Howe’s overall record there is 15/10/11 from 36 games.
If you put that into a full season that’s 55 points (would have seen them finish 8th in last seasons table) but with two games left. Meaning they could have finished 6/7/8th.

I expect they’d take something like this season.

Plus, I could be wrong but I expect the Geordies have bit more patience that our fanbase


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 17:06:10
Can’t see Howe going yet. He is there for the initial transition period of big spending, when they are ready to really push on to a top 6 spot they will go for the real “big name” to help attract top calibre players

He did a cracking job last season with a very average squad (2 or 3 players being the exception)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, September 26, 2022, 11:59:44
Rob Edwards has been sacked as Watford manager after just 10 games in charge.

Slaven Bilic taking over, apparently.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 26, 2022, 12:05:06
Rob Edwards has been sacked as Watford manager after just 10 games in charge.

Slaven Bilic taking over, apparently.

Dale Vince will be laughing himself into a hernia.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 26, 2022, 12:06:57
Dale Vince will be laughing himself into a hernia.

Or will be on the phone to him PDQ.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, September 26, 2022, 12:07:33
Dale Vince will be laughing himself into a hernia.

I bet he'd take him back in a heartbeat however. Might happen yet looking at FGR's start to the season!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 26, 2022, 12:39:34
If they split on fairly amicable terms despite the walking out then its a total no brainer he would go back, but Vince seems like he will be a spiteful fuck.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Monday, September 26, 2022, 12:45:05
Good wage and a good pay off for a few days work init


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, September 26, 2022, 12:56:38
Vince was on Talksport saying how badly Watford behaved and that essentially he thought Edwards would have more integrity than to agree to a deal behind the clubs back.

In football this means he will definitely be FGR manager again soon! 


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 05:24:01
If they split on fairly amicable terms despite the walking out then its a total no brainer he would go back, but Vince seems like he will be a spiteful fuck.
I’ve seen Dale evolve over 40 years - he will do whatever he thinks is in the best interests of FGR…


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 06:58:24
Apparently Andy Warhol was misquoted and he actually said, "In the future, everyone will be Watford manager for 15 minutes".


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 18:51:15
Just been reading the Charlton Forum like you do when waiting for the spuds to cook… my, my not a happy bunch of muppets are they.

Way things are going we could well be passing each other in May 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 19:17:48
Serves the bald headed prick right, knowing full well that club is a basketcase


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Moss on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 19:21:04
Apparently Andy Warhol was misquoted and he actually said, "In the future, everyone will be Watford manager for 15 minutes".

 :D


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 16:37:15
Not actually gone, but going shortly. A certain Mr Garner.

Charlton Fans not happy.

BigDiddyBigDiddy
September 24
Garner out.

Protests against TS.

Nothing else to suggest

BigRedEvilBigRedEvil
September 24
Garnerball is ineffective and needs to change, we just don't have the players for it. Stockley although hopeless so far this season can score goals at this level.

Long season ahead, expect Garner will be gone before Xmas the way its going.

RodneyCharltonTrotta
September 24
2 wins in 10 and 16th in League One just above
 the relegation zone.

We kidded ourselves our team/ squad is an improvement on
 last year. It’s not.  Or Garner is not as
 good a manager as Jackson.

BoughtonaddicksBoughtonaddicks
September 24
Trying to think of another game where a losing manager has took his 5 best players off

BigDiddyBigDiddy
September 24

Athletico Charlton said:
It's not a quick fix says Ben Garner.

Well we are 3 points off relegation, just got easily beaten, have an exceptionally fragile defence, have not won in what, 6 games?

You had better fix this bloody quickly Ben because otherwise we will be looking at L2.

Tippy tappy slow rubbish with no defensive shape.

We are in trouble.

Yet with our players, we should not be.

 Garner is out of his depth. He must go.



All going swimmingly for good old Ben!





Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: oxonrobin on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 17:58:34
From Twitter the Charlton fans seemed fairly split on those blaming Garner and those blaming the owner for lack of backing. Think Garner was quoting saying he was frustrated by not being able to spend on transfers. Won’t do his relationship with the owner any good.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 18:19:16
On their forum, it is suggested that Garner should provoke the owner to get himself sacked. Thereby, getting a decent payoff and keeping his reputation intact.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 18:24:56
What reputation is that?

Round these here parts he’s a cunt.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:03:13
Think Garner was quoting saying he was frustrated by not being able to spend on transfers. Won’t do his relationship with the owner any good.

On their forum, it is suggested that Garner should provoke the owner to get himself sacked. Thereby, getting a decent payoff and keeping his reputation intact.

Doing a Parker....

What reputation is that?

Round these here parts he’s a cunt.

Is he well known in Kefalonia?  ;)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 12:00:32
He is now.

Malaka


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 12:41:22
Garnerball  :D


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Anteater on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 14:04:31
He is now.

Malaka
Is that what they’re calling him in Assos or Arogostoli ?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 14:20:50
There’s a bit of graffiti about for Gate 13 Panathanikos. I’ll add ‘ Garner Malaka’ to it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rYhxi8a9pM


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, October 2, 2022, 16:23:46
Bruno Lage sacked by Wolves


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Monday, October 3, 2022, 08:10:29
Chris Wilder sacked by Middlesbrough


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 3, 2022, 09:13:20
Matt Taylor from Exeter to Rovrum


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 3, 2022, 09:32:20
Matt Taylor from Exeter to Rovrum
Hes worked wonders at Exeter TBF.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 3, 2022, 09:41:29
I see lots of Exeter fans moaning that he left them for a "smaller club".

So Rotherham sit in the top half of a division higher than Exeter, a bigger pull for players than Exeter due to location and better finances and they have an average home crowd of nearly double that of Exeter in a nearly brand new purpose built stadium.

Seems like a no brainer, a perfect step up without Taylor going to a bigger club with bigger expectations which often works against the new manager these sort of appointments who is expected to hit the ground running.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 3, 2022, 09:54:38
I see lots of Exeter fans moaning that he left them for a "smaller club".

So Rotherham sit in the top half of a division higher than Exeter, a bigger pull for players than Exeter due to location and better finances and they have an average home crowd of nearly double that of Exeter in a nearly brand new purpose built stadium.

Seems like a no brainer, a perfect step up without Taylor going to a bigger club with bigger expectations which often works against the new manager these sort of appointments who is expected to hit the ground running.

TBF you could say broadly the same about Garner and Charlton and that didn't stop a lot of our fans moaning.

And bloody hell there is more glamour going to a London club rather than Rotherham (albeit it has a nice Tesco Extra!!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 3, 2022, 10:09:36
TBF you could say broadly the same about Garner and Charlton and that didn't stop a lot of our fans moaning.

And bloody hell there is more glamour going to a London club rather than Rotherham (albeit it has a nice Tesco Extra!!
TBH I don't actually remember any of our fans moaning about Charlton being a small club.

The pull of London and lets be honest Charlton are a way bigger club than Swindon, made that a no brainer for Garner too.

I don't recall any of our fans suggesting they were a smaller club or even comparable in size to us when he left, I think we all fully understood his reasoning for going.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Monday, October 3, 2022, 10:14:05
TBH I don't actually remember any of our fans moaning about Charlton being a small club.

The pull of London and lets be honest Charlton are a way bigger club than Swindon, made that a no brainer for Garner too.

I don't recall any of our fans suggesting they were a smaller club or even comparable in size to us when he left, I think we all fully understood his reasoning for going.

I wouldn’t say it was a ‘no brained’ whilst all you’ve said about Charlton is true - I think we as a club, offer much more stability

…but…tbh I don’t know if football managers even care for that now a days. Probably more lucrative for them to just keep getting sacked and paid off


Title: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycli
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 3, 2022, 10:19:14
Suspect they thought he was good enough to go to a bigger club when he left.

Though calling Rotherham smaller than Exeter is demonstrably wrong, my perception is that they are at the ceiling of their existence. Which again could be wrong

either way it's a good step and career progression


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, October 3, 2022, 10:36:48
Chris Wilder sacked by Middlesbrough

I always get a bit wary when that happens and we have a loan player. New manager will obviously want to take a look at his squad and Brynn is playing well. Do not remember the loan arrangements.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: adje on Monday, October 3, 2022, 10:51:50
I always get a bit wary when that happens and we have a loan player. New manager will obviously want to take a look at his squad and Brynn is playing well. Do not remember the loan arrangements.
Would be a worry I agree


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 3, 2022, 10:56:46
I always get a bit wary when that happens and we have a loan player. New manager will obviously want to take a look at his squad and Brynn is playing well. Do not remember the loan arrangements.

Bugger, forgot about him being from borough.

I don't think they can recall until January on a season long loan though. Unless there is a special goalkeeper clause.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Power to people on Monday, October 3, 2022, 11:02:49
Wolves & M'boro manager's sacked

The door is firmly open


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Banker on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 18:04:16
I see lots of Exeter fans moaning that he left them for a "smaller club".
.
Where did you 'see' that, PV ? Only ask because I haven't seen anything like it. Many believe he should have held on for a bigger club to come knocking at our door, but that isn't the same as what you're suggesting



Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 19:08:11
.
Where did you 'see' that, PV ? Only ask because I haven't seen anything like it. Many believe he should have held on for a bigger club to come knocking at our door, but that isn't the same as what you're suggesting
1 or 2 on your Grecians forum but a fair few on the Vital football forums and on twitter from what I have seen, also the L1 banter page on FB.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Banker on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 19:52:00
1 or 2 on your Grecians forum but a fair few on the Vital football forums and on twitter from what I have seen, also the L1 banter page on FB.

Thanks, didn't spot the 1, or 2 comments that you've seen on our forum. As for L1 banter on FB etc etc really don't know how you find the time !  ;D


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 20:02:01
Thanks, didn't spot the 1, or 2 comments that you've seen on our forum. As for L1 banter on FB etc etc really don't know how you find the time !  ;D
Not working helps ;)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 11:42:39
Pressure cranking up on Garner. Lost to Colchester last night, too. All the moans and gripes are strikingly similar to ours when things weren’t working. They’ve definitely got the Rovers version.

Payne also getting pelters - missed a pen, too.

Where does Garner go from this?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 12:03:51
To get a personality transplant


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 12:06:54
Garner would get another job in L2 I'm sure. Think he might be better suited longer term to U23s/Development coaching though, where the emphasis is more on skills development than results.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 12:08:01
Garner would get another job in L2 I'm sure. Think he might be better suited longer term to U23s/Development coaching though, where the emphasis is more on skills development than results.

I suspect he would go into a PL academy, probably earning way more than he does as a manager in L1.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 12:33:34
The "Charlton Life" forum is a diffulct place at the moment :)

I feel sorry for Payne, I still think he left us too soon and they seem to hate him there.

Garner is deserving of all he gets.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 12:36:53
Lost to Colchester last night, too.

Only the pizza cup though. But league wise the pressure is really on.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 12:41:10
Ho hum  :)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 12:47:22
The "Charlton Life" forum is a diffulct place at the moment :)

I feel sorry for Payne, I still think he left us too soon and they seem to hate him there.

Garner is deserving of all he gets.
They were loving it signing our players and pinching Garner when it happened. Even though they were told what to expect they just ignored it - ‘Swindon are our feeder club’ bollocks.

Chickens home to roost.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 13:09:40
He's not going to last the season is he? He won't be out of work long though, bound to pick up an academy job somewhere on more money...


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 13:37:45
I read some of the posts on that forum. Fair to say they aren’t at all keen on Garner or Payne. The grass isn’t always greener it seems.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 13:50:02
Charlton away at Lincoln on Saturday, that won't be easy. Could be in the relegation zone at 5pm.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 17:07:20
Question
After watching the Newport match and seeing a similar style of play to last year with Garner and as to how Wellens previously did.
When SL first was made up to manager he maintained that he would continue this style.
I thought it was a follow on from Garner but now starting to think it maybe  the Swindon style long into the future especially with all the new young exciting players coming on board.
Back to the question who is driving this forward?







Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: oxonrobin on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 19:35:43
I read some of the posts on that forum. Fair to say they aren’t at all keen on Garner or Payne. The grass isn’t always greener it seems.

Hard to imagine anyone not liking Payne. Always covers so much ground, effort levels are top tier. Must be brilliant to play alongside.

Similar to how our fans have taken to Wakeling and his work rate this season. Can’t not like the guy.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 19:58:20
When Charlton decide they don’t want Payne, I’ll have him back in a heart beat. I’ll never forget that performance against FGR at home. Garner can come too. He’ll work well under Lindsey.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, October 5, 2022, 22:32:48
If he falls out of favour perhaps a January swoop might not be off the cards? We have perhaps spent his wages on other players though.

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, October 6, 2022, 05:47:20
If he falls out of favour perhaps a January swoop might not be off the cards? We have perhaps spent his wages on other players though.

Sent from my XQ-AD51

The money is there. Just a question of whether he becomes free and we want him.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Thursday, October 6, 2022, 06:13:45
He’ll go off to Hibs on loan in Jan…


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Power to people on Friday, October 7, 2022, 11:12:25
If he falls out of favour perhaps a January swoop might not be off the cards? We have perhaps spent his wages on other players though.

Sent from my XQ-AD51

He probably got a decent pay rise going to Charlton.

Not sure he would fit into our midfield at the moment though


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Monday, October 10, 2022, 07:08:36
Kevin Betsy gone from Crawley

Karl Robinson apparently on thin ice also


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Monday, October 10, 2022, 07:11:33
Kevin Betsy gone from Crawley

Karl Robinson apparently on thin ice also

I'll be honest, I'd have been pretty enthused by Betsy in pre-season. Shows what I know! Although of course, he could have fitted better here, Crawley is a bit of a strange club at the moment.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Monday, October 10, 2022, 07:41:57
I'll be honest, I'd have been pretty enthused by Betsy in pre-season. Shows what I know! Although of course, he could have fitted better here, Crawley is a bit of a strange club at the moment.

I mean if we looking at a young coach highly regarded at youth level looking to move into management - you’d definitely look favourably on Kevin Betsy.

Whilst I’m in no position to say exactly how much of Arsenals current crop of young talent has been heavily influenced by Betsy personally - Arsenal right now very much have a good young squad of footballers.

I do wonder whether looking at youth coaches at the top, top level is maybe a bad idea because of the high ceiling of talent they work with. You know, did he try and get the Crawley players to do the same as what some of the best U23s in the country we’re doing in a top academy.

Perhaps the highly respected coaches lower down like Garner & the QPR man whose name has escaped me are a better bet for lower league managers because they work with lesser talent and it’s less of a ‘drop’ having said that the ex Liverpool youth coach did a pretty good job at Blackpool from what I can tell.

Who knows


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Monday, October 10, 2022, 08:28:58
Steve Bruce gone from WBA


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, October 10, 2022, 08:33:51
No doubts another big pay off which isn't bad for eighth months work! Now on to the next.....


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, October 10, 2022, 08:59:18
Money money money money money!

Lick badges


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 10, 2022, 09:30:01
Steve Bruce gone from WBA

Why do people keep employing him. A really good player but...


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 10, 2022, 09:30:39
Steve Bruce gone from WBA
How the fuck does Steve Bruce keep getting big jobs?

That was the 4th time in his 1,032 and 12 club career that he didnt even make 35 games and only twice had a win percentage of over 41%, one of those being a 18 game job at Palace 21 years ago.

Proper jobbing manager making a career out of being not very good, like a higher league Keith Curle, or a modern day Malcolm Allison.



Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 10, 2022, 09:59:27
How the fuck does Steve Bruce keep getting big jobs?

That was the 4th time in his 1,032 and 12 club career that he didnt even make 35 games and only twice had a win percentage of over 41%, one of those being a 18 game job at Palace 21 years ago.

Proper jobbing manager making a career out of being not very good, like a higher league Keith Curle, or a modern day Malcolm Allison.



I suspect cos having 4 promotions (plus at least 1x play off final defeat) out of the Championship into the PL makes one attractive to Championship Chairmen. I don't think he is a particularly good or bad manager, just a jobbing Championship one, albeit possibly past it now.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, October 10, 2022, 14:26:17
My baggies supporting mate was doing the guestlist for me at the Morrissey gig I was running last night.  Sean Dyche was on the guestlist. 

He dodged my mates question about whether he was coming to save the Baggies or not.  He didnt say no though.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Monday, October 10, 2022, 14:31:15
My baggies supporting mate was doing the guestlist for me at the Morrissey gig I was running last night.  Sean Dyche was on the guestlist. 

He dodged my mates question about whether he was coming to save the Baggies or not.  He didnt say no though.

He was looking for a job, but has he found a job?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 10, 2022, 15:11:07
I suspect cos having 4 promotions (plus at least 1x play off final defeat) out of the Championship into the PL makes one attractive to Championship Chairmen.
3 promotions (1 via play off) and a losing play off ;)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 10, 2022, 15:16:33
My baggies supporting mate was doing the guestlist for me at the Morrissey gig I was running last night.  Sean Dyche was on the guestlist.  

He dodged my mates question about whether he was coming to save the Baggies or not.  He didnt say no though.
Not one poster on the WBA forum can be said to be unhappy about Bruce being sacked, Dyche is unsurprisingly the fans favourite polling 40% of the votes so far. Carrick 2nd most voted for.

Dyche would be a good fit for them, big club floundering low in the Championship and with a decent squad TBH and a decent amount of funding, nice and central too, not too far from his home in Kettering.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 10, 2022, 16:43:49
Rowberry gone from Newport


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, October 11, 2022, 09:27:27
Rowberry gone from Newport
TBF Newport were utterly terrible.


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Post by: Power to people on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 12:06:32
You wonder who Crawley will end up employing - they seem to be a bit of a basket case with these Cryptocurrency guys owning the club with their odd ideas, they only seem to be going 1 way....


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 12:42:49
You wonder who Crawley will end up employing - they seem to be a bit of a basket case with these Cryptocurrency guys owning the club with their odd ideas, they only seem to be going 1 way....
Up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjD3EVC1-zU


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 12:46:07
Up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjD3EVC1-zU

More like..............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC06Z6lCB_Q


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 12:46:51
I think this goal sums up Crawleys season :)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1578868036437958656


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Post by: Nemo on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 13:02:34
I think this goal sums up Crawleys season :)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1578868036437958656

That is entertaining. Not sure whether it's more or less embarrassing than the Joe Fryer miss kick from the pass back against Accrington in the Sheridan year though. One of the great all-time fuck ups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKLMelPKxk

First up on this. Think enough time has passed for me to find this funny now.


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Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 14:45:40
That is entertaining. Not sure whether it's more or less embarrassing than the Joe Fryer miss kick from the pass back against Accrington in the Sheridan year though. One of the great all-time fuck ups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKLMelPKxk

First up on this. Think enough time has passed for me to find this funny now.

What was funnier was the number of people calling for him to play because nothing could be worse than Kovar, only for us to find out as bad as Kovar was for us (and he was crap) Fryer was even worse :(

God that was a depressing time


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Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 14:55:26
That is entertaining. Not sure whether it's more or less embarrassing than the Joe Fryer miss kick from the pass back against Accrington in the Sheridan year though. One of the great all-time fuck ups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKLMelPKxk

First up on this. Think enough time has passed for me to find this funny now.

Fryers miskick was the icing on the cake, but bloody hell the play that led to that was equally grim watching.

An admittedly rudimentary google suggests that he hasn't played a game since that game and is now an Academy Coach at Boro?


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 17, 2022, 09:05:20
McSheffery gone from Donny


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Post by: tans on Thursday, October 20, 2022, 21:28:02
Gerrard gone from Villa


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 21, 2022, 08:41:22
McSheffery gone from Donny
And replace him with Danny Schofield, yes I don't know much about him either. I remember him at Huddersfield as a player but thats it.


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Post by: Power to people on Friday, October 21, 2022, 11:19:31
Graham Coughlan appointed Newport manager, that may be a good appointment for them

QPR manager turns down the Wolves job....sounds like they have had a few turn them down, so have given it to the caretaker manager until next year


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 21, 2022, 11:52:03
Liz Truss appointed Oxford United manager, she told reporters "I feel more comfortable with an empty cabinet" :)


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Post by: cdakev on Friday, October 21, 2022, 12:56:35
Ian Baraclough sacked as Northern Ireland manager


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Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, October 21, 2022, 14:07:39
Liz Truss appointed Oxford United manager, she told reporters "I feel more comfortable with an empty cabinet" :)
:D :D :D


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Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, October 21, 2022, 18:17:25
Liz Truss appointed Oxford United manager, she told reporters "I feel more comfortable with an empty cabinet" :)

More at home with Spurs.


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 24, 2022, 07:43:16
Gary Caldwell named Exeter manager

Can’t be arsed to google, but who the fuck is he?


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Post by: Nemo on Monday, October 24, 2022, 07:46:26
Gary Caldwell named Exeter manager

Can’t be arsed to google, but who the fuck is he?

Ex-Prem player, was at Wigan when they were alright I think? Brother of Stephen, both sort of lower end Prem CBs in the 2000s.


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 24, 2022, 08:09:18
Ex-Prem player, was at Wigan when they were alright I think? Brother of Stephen, both sort of lower end Prem CBs in the 2000s.

55 caps for Scotland, he's a modern-day Maurice Malpas!


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Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, October 24, 2022, 08:25:06
Lots of negativity about him on Twitter from Chesterfield fans - looks like he’s not starting from a strong position.


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Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, October 27, 2022, 16:41:15
Mark Cooper taking over at Yeovil.


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Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 27, 2022, 16:54:16
They go again


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 7, 2022, 10:13:06
Hassenhuttel gone from Southampton


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Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 7, 2022, 11:14:43
Hassenhuttel gone from Southampton

feels like he has survived the sack multiple times. 2 x 9-0 games is a test on any board decision!


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Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, November 7, 2022, 11:50:46
At this rate there won't be enough new managers to go around!


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Post by: Power to people on Monday, November 14, 2022, 19:38:39
Cardiff give the job to the caretaker manager until the end of the season


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 18, 2022, 03:36:17
Rob Edwards new Luton manager


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Post by: Robinz on Friday, November 18, 2022, 17:18:43
What is so good with Rob Edwards
Yes he got promotion with FGR and then seemed out of favour at Watford although there just a short time and now to Luton who look a pretty good and well run club with a future. From afar looks similar to Appleton at Blackpool and possibly Garner.


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Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, November 18, 2022, 19:19:52
What is so good with Rob Edwards
Yes he got promotion with FGR and then seemed out of favour at Watford although there just a short time and now to Luton who look a pretty good and well run club with a future. From afar looks similar to Appleton at Blackpool and possibly Garner.


Watford sack you for sneezing so I don't think you can judge that, he did do a good job with Forest Green and has a good coaching background too.


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Post by: Batch on Monday, November 21, 2022, 10:48:06
Giovanni van Bronckhorst gone from Rangers.

9 points behind Celtic and a shite champions League I suppose.



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Post by: Posh Red on Monday, November 21, 2022, 12:08:30
Giovanni van Bronckhorst gone from Rangers.

9 points behind Celtic and a shite champions League I suppose.



Gerrard available?


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 21, 2022, 13:36:45
Gerrard available?
Always possible.


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 27, 2022, 11:32:48
Nixon rumouring Garner is up for the chop. This Charlton fan isn’t keen either

‘Garner is a bullshitter working for a cunt and his fucktard son not to mention that blonde plastic bitch.’


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Post by: Miles Mayhem on Sunday, November 27, 2022, 12:18:36
That’s a lot of swears in one sentence


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Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, November 27, 2022, 13:46:05
That’s a lot of swears in one sentence

Quite impressive to fit such a variety of swear words into such a short sentance


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Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, November 27, 2022, 19:10:02
Matt Etherington gets the Crawley gig. Bit left field (pun intended)


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Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 27, 2022, 21:06:27
They are a bit of a basket case club right now aren't they.

maybe recruiting was tricky

Still, gives someone a go in EFL. management


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Post by: Pookemon on Monday, November 28, 2022, 13:04:52
Bitcoin traders appoint gambling addict.  :hmmm:


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Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 08:39:10
Kolo Toure gets the Wigan gig


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Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 12:34:36
Kolo Toure gets the Wigan gig

Im sure he will do well as long as they don't forget his birthday cake


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Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 12:36:15
Im sure he will do well as long as they don't forget his birthday cake

Wrong Toure isn't that?


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Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 12:48:03
Wrong Toure isn't that?

Yaya

both in agreement and the name.


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Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 13:36:08
Wrong Toure isn't that?

Bugger - memory not what it was


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 15:59:47
Richie Wellens has signed a new contract at Orient until 2025. He is bowling along nicely with the East London club this season after some poor performances. Maybe it's a Northern/South thing with him?


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 4, 2022, 20:55:00
Rumour has it that Garner will be gone tomorrow.


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Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, December 4, 2022, 20:57:36
Lindsey for Charlton 😀


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Post by: tans on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:10:42
Garner sacked from Charlton.

Hahahaha


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Post by: Batch on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:15:42
I'm not that happy about it. Not surprised though.

I don't think I cared much when he left, maybe its that.


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Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:16:24
Garner sacked from Charlton.

Hahahaha

I wonder whether Charlton may go and have a quiet word with Orient?

I'm not that happy about it. Not surprised though.

I don't think I cared much when he left, maybe its that.


That's it, was all a bit meh at the time and same now,  never really understood all the vitriol about it, he was not particularly liked by the fan base and hardly the first manager to leave us for what is perceived to be a bigger job, yet Wellens who fucked off to a smaller club in a lower division seems to get a pretty free ride.


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Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:17:20
Ooops. Just put this in Former Players. Can't be arsed to delete.


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:17:57
I'm not that happy about it. Not surprised though.

I don't think I cared much when he left, maybe its that.


Be interesting to see where his next gig might be. He did relatively well with us but appears to have stunk the place out at both Bristol Rovers and now Charlton so his next role is pretty much make or break.


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Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:20:26
Be interesting to see where his next gig might be. He did relatively well with us but appears to have stunk the place out at both Bristol Rovers and now Charlton so his next role is pretty much make or break.

I suspect with the U23's at a PL club, which I suspect pays better than managing at this level anyway.


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Post by: Batch on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:21:27
Be interesting to see where his next gig might be. He did relatively well with us but appears to have stunk the place out at both Bristol Rovers and now Charlton so his next role is pretty much make or break.

Wonder if he'll slope off into the coaching sunset now.


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:27:15
I suspect with the U23's at a PL club, which I suspect pays better than managing at this level anyway.

Wonder if he'll slope off into the coaching sunset now.

Yeah more than likely.


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Post by: Batch on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:28:53
Wait, wasn't the rumour he was interviewing between playoff games. Yeah, stuff him.


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Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:31:49
I s'pose the interesting one knocking about at the moment will be Critchley, albeit unless he is waiting for Gerrard to get another gig?

I see Garner will be getting paid up for 2.5 year remaining on Charlton contract, so that will help no doubt!


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Post by: Posh Red on Monday, December 5, 2022, 16:49:40
Garner sacked from Charlton.

Hahahaha

In the words of Windsor Davies

“Oh dear, how sad, Never mind”


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Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, December 5, 2022, 17:31:32
I am content with this news.

Doesn't look as if he got much backing in the summer window.
You would think that him or his agent might have done some due diligence on the senior management structure at the prospective employer.
Too busy preparing for our play off campaign maybe.

Yeah, safety net of the academy system to fall back on and all that.
No guarantees with that though.


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Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, December 5, 2022, 17:37:41
Did I see a Ben Garner thread the other night whilst drunk? Money on Jimmy having started it if so?


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 5, 2022, 17:50:53
Did I see a Ben Garner thread the other night whilst drunk? Money on Jimmy having started it if so?

https://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=59454.0


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 5, 2022, 17:53:03
I s'pose the interesting one knocking about at the moment will be Critchley, albeit unless he is waiting for Gerrard to get another gig?
I suggested this exact move a few days ago.

Neil Critchley would be a perfect replacement for Garner, did great at Blackpool, works well with young players and has many links to big clubs for loans etc and is now out of work since Gerrards sacking a couple of weeks ago.


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Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, December 5, 2022, 22:26:57
Did I see a Ben Garner thread the other night whilst drunk? Money on Jimmy having started it if so?

Not guilty😀


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Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 8, 2022, 13:56:58
Luis Enrique gone from Spain, an option when Lindsey departs?  ;) :D


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Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 8, 2022, 14:01:18
Luis Enrique gone from Spain, an option when Lindsey departs?  ;) :D

Lindsey for the Spain job? Intriguing proposition. How much compo would we get?  Ironically just watching a rerun of the penalties from the Morocco v Spain tie in the hotel lobby. Pissing with rain here in Morocco but warmer I think than blighty.


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Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 12, 2022, 14:53:36
Macclesfield FC's DOF Robbie Savage sacks manager David McNabb after winning 4-0 on Saturday.

He managed them for 9 games and had 7 wins and only 1 narrow loss, with them 7 points clear at the top of their division.

The 2nd sacking this season by Macc Lads after dismissing Danny Whitaker also with them stood atop of the division at the time.

They have a very experienced side as well and should walk the division with the players at their disposal with Zeki Fryers, Neil Danns, Nicky Maynard, Joe Bunney, Mark Duffy and Luke Murphy all having a fair amount of football league experience for that level.


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Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, December 12, 2022, 15:00:33
Doesn't sound like a sacking?

https://macclesfieldfc.com/2022/12/10/club-statement-david-mcnabb-and-tim-lees/

Maybe Robbie fancies a crack at management.

And where the fuck is Ramsbottom United!


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Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 12, 2022, 15:08:40
Macclesfield FC's DOF Robbie Savage sacks manager David McNabb after winning 4-0 on Saturday.

He managed them for 9 games and had 7 wins and only 1 narrow loss, with them 7 points clear at the top of their division.

The 2nd sacking this season by Macc Lads after dismissing Danny Whitaker also with them stood atop of the division at the time.

They have a very experienced side as well and should walk the division with the players at their disposal with Zeki Fryers, Neil Danns, Nicky Maynard, Joe Bunney, Mark Duffy and Luke Murphy all having a fair amount of football league experience for that level.

Has it actually been confirmed now that the manager and assistant were sacked, the club were pushing the 'they chose to leave' line yesterday and I can't see anything else?


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Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 12, 2022, 15:09:03
And where the fuck is Ramsbottom United!

In Ramsbottom.


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Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, December 12, 2022, 15:34:29
In Ramsbottom.

I see. Our paths are unlikely to cross for a while even in an AFC Swindon scenario.
They do like their bottoms in that part of the world.


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Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 12, 2022, 15:37:58
I see. Our paths are unlikely to cross for a while even in an AFC Swindon scenario.
They do like their bottoms in that part of the world.


Cannot tell you much about Ramsbottom apart from there are some nice pubs there near the station.


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Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Monday, December 12, 2022, 22:53:41
I used to live in Bury, and Ramsbottom is just north of Bury.


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Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 10:24:46
I used to live in Bury, and Ramsbottom is just north of Bury.

I know, my only visit to Ramsbottom came on the steam train from Bury during a pub crawl along that line.


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Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 15:16:02
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23187890.ex-swindon-town-manager-ben-garner-admits-leaving-difficult/#comments-anchor


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Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 15:23:43
‘Difficult decision’

He couldnt wait to fuck off


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Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 15:31:34
He couldn't wait to fuck off, had the job lined up even before the second play off match with Port Vale and showed no appreciation to Town fans.


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Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 16:33:40
I can't say that I was a particular fan of Garner during his time with us. As I understand it, he took a new job which had better terms and conditions of employment and which appeared to offer enhanced prospects of career advancement. I suspect that most of us would have done the same in similar circumstances.


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Post by: SleafordRobin on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 17:10:56
I wasn't overly bothered when he left (Garnerball not for me), he did a cracking job under extreme circumstances and we achieved more than any of us expected. What really pissed me off was taking Payne & Egbo, (think Wallacott would have left anyway) when he said he wouldn't return for any of our players. I know they were out of contract & likely to leave anyway, but going to Charlton with him really fucked me off!


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Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 17:13:47
‘Difficult decision’

He couldnt wait to fuck off

Funny isn’t it….

We all hate Garner for fucking off, even though he did it at the end of the season, went to a bigger club for more pay, yet everyone is screaming for Charlie Austin to come back, despite the fact last time he was here he handed in a transfer request during the middle of the season and we were relegated.


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Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 18:03:31
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Yeah, Austin got some stick on his return to the CG with Burnley, but he did later express regret about the exit strategy.

Hope he signs.

Would anyone want Garner back I wonder?


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Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 18:03:34
But Austin did well for us  ;)


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Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 18:04:08
Funny isn’t it….

We all hate Garner for fucking off, even though he did it at the end of the season, went to a bigger club for more pay, yet everyone is screaming for Charlie Austin to come back, despite the fact last time he was here he handed in a transfer request during the middle of the season and we were relegated.

Just to play devil's advocate, I don't hate Garner at all. I would have rather he'd have stayed and built what he had started but I understand his thought process and managers come and go. I'm on the fence about Austin as well. I'd rather see him here than at Bristol Rovers of course, but I'm not convinced he's going to be the messiah (or a very naughty boy!)


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Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 18:57:33
Just to play devil's advocate, I don't hate Garner at all. I would have rather he'd have stayed and built what he had started but I understand his thought process and managers come and go. I'm on the fence about Austin as well. I'd rather see him here than at Bristol Rovers of course, but I'm not convinced he's going to be the messiah (or a very naughty boy!)

ronaldo esk vibes for Man Utd. A signing that shouldn't be made, an aging player on the decline vs football romance, excitement for the fans and would be awful to see him play for a local rival.

i think he still has something. i really hope he still has something


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Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 19:00:34
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Yeah, Austin got some stick on his return to the CG with Burnley, but he did later express regret about the exit strategy.

Hope he signs.

Would anyone want Garner back I wonder?

he got the stick when he returned- really quite volatile and hatred from the stands. Then at full time he walked round the pitch clapping the fans and it was returned with applause and austin chants!

as should happen with all players that return really!

he had to leave when he did. incredible player, one of the very best natural goalscorers/poachers and should really have had some caps for england when you look at someone strikers that have over the years.


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Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 23:19:16
Funny isn’t it….

We all hate Garner for fucking off, even though he did it at the end of the season, went to a bigger club for more pay, yet everyone is screaming for Charlie Austin to come back, despite the fact last time he was here he handed in a transfer request during the middle of the season and we were relegated.

I’d like to see Austin back but yeah the way he left was out of order.

If he’d waiting till the end of the season - then fine, I don’t think the club would have stood in his way at all.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 05:51:03
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Yeah, Austin got some stick on his return to the CG with Burnley, but he did later express regret about the exit strategy.

Hope he signs.

Would anyone want Garner back I wonder?
Didn’t want him here in the first place so it’s a big fat no from me. We’ve got to get away from ‘academy’ football - it’s boring the arse off of me.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 08:19:42
Ditto. It's like attending training sessions at the CG this season. Missing attacking grit and passion.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 08:51:44
Never took to Garner and never will, personalityless individual who did well for us under extreme conditions. Fair play for what he achieved with us but he was another "meh" manager for me, much like Mark Cooper or Luke Williams.

I also dont think anyone could begrudge him for leaving for a much bigger club, in a higher division closer to his home.

But I would not want him back, has the personality of a sloth and seemed to be as appreciative of our fanbase as Lee Power was at times.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 08:55:13
If he’s gone all surly because Clem may be foisting Austin on him, then his time must be up. Even if he doesn’t end up joining us surely whatever relationship Clem has with Lindsey has been soured. Maybe Clem has become as disillusioned with the football as the fan base and is considering a change of direction.

Here’s hoping.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 09:44:56
Never took to Garner and never will, personalityless individual who did well for us under extreme conditions. Fair play for what he achieved with us but he was another "meh" manager for me, much like Mark Cooper or Luke Williams.

I also dont think anyone could begrudge him for leaving for a much bigger club, in a higher division closer to his home.

But I would not want him back, has the personality of a sloth and seemed to be as appreciative of our fanbase as Lee Power was at times.

I agree with what you’ve said with regards to Garner but I feel a lot of that at the time got brushed under the carpet because we had McKirdy who was the complete opposite.

So Garner didn’t really need to pander to the fanbase or have any personality because McKirdy had it in spades.

Obviously winning football matches helped Garner massively. I’m well past caring about our managers personality if I’m honest, I’d gladly support Boris Johnson if he won us football matches….


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 12:53:47
if I’m honest, I’d gladly support Boris Johnson if he won us football matches….
Ouch you stepped over the line with that! :D


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 09:11:41
Dean Holden set to get the Charlton job. Fans must be delighted!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 09:36:12
Dean Holden is never who I think he is. I think of him as a 80/90s footballer…

Oldham had another player called Holden in the early 90s right? (Richard maybe?)


Title: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycli
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 09:45:52
I keep thinking Dean Holdsworth myself

@dv yes: Richard (Rick) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Holden


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Qunk on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 09:49:28
Dean Holden is never who I think he is. I think of him as a 80/90s footballer…

Oldham had another player called Holden in the early 90s right? (Richard maybe?)


I totally know what you mean. Does he have a curtain style haircut in your recollection?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 09:53:38
I keep thinking Dean Holdsworth myself


He's the one who shagged Linsey Dawn Mackenzie in his range rover isn't he?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 09:55:04
I totally know what you mean. Does he have a curtain style haircut in your recollection?

Mixture between curtains and a mullet….


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 09:56:38
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/E4QAAOSwCbFfwWKY/s-l500.jpg)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Qunk on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:03:34
Ah, it was Dean Holdsworth I had in mind.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:15:01
I wonder if Linsey had Richard in mind in Deans Range Rover


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 10:36:53
AFC Wimbledon's sister club appoint Leeds assistant coach Mark Jackson as manager.

I like the approach of plucking a highly rated coach from the PL / PL Academy system.

Hoping of course that SL will lead us to glory this season & that he has a very successful tenure here.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: anglia red on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 14:46:19
Dean Smith gone from Norwich


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 14:50:06
Interesting one, Norwich are 5th, but a long way off the top two.

Made me think of this from yesterday's matchday thread...

No team in the lower leagues would sack a manager whilst the team is 5th. He isnt going anywhere



Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 15:51:29
Interesting one, Norwich are 5th, but a long way off the top two.

Made me think of this from yesterday's matchday thread...



Expectation is so high at a club like Norwich i would imagine!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 15:57:42
Pearson can't have too long left at City.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 16:10:26
Interesting one, Norwich are 5th, but a long way off the top two.

Made me think of this from yesterday's matchday thread...
I was thinking the same, also the similar applies to Peterborough in L1 who were 3rd (now 8th) at the start of the shit run without a win in the last 6 games whos manager McCann is walking the tightrope.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 16:19:01
Present league position shouldn’t be an indicator of imminent change of manager. Overall, this season has been a huge bore fest. It’s got to the stage now where I dread Lindsey actually getting us up and having to put up with another season of the crap served up on the pitch.

Surely nobody - fans, management, owner - can be happy with the ‘style’ of football.

‘Let me entertain you’ it’s not.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 16:21:45
It's certainly not the fast exciting football we were promised.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 16:32:15
Present league position shouldn’t be an indicator of imminent change of manager. Overall, this season has been a huge bore fest. It’s got to the stage now where I dread Lindsey actually getting us up and having to put up with another season of the crap served up on the pitch.

Surely nobody - fans, management, owner - can be happy with the ‘style’ of football.

‘Let me entertain you’ it’s not.

People will turn up to watch a winning team (I’m aware we aren’t one of those either)
Don’t get this notion of going to football to be ‘entertained’ we aren’t  neutrals from Singapore or something.

Nothing is better than winning.
I’d rather watch a winning team than an entertaining team.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 16:36:00
Don’t get this notion of going to football to be ‘entertained’ we aren’t  neutrals from Singapore or something.

Weirdly there were a couple of asian lads full on instagraming the ground on their way out before Walsalls winner went in. Can't imagine they were thrilled with their decision.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 16:38:14
People will turn up to watch a winning team (I’m aware we aren’t one of those either)
Don’t get this notion of going to football to be ‘entertained’ we aren’t  neutrals from Singapore or something.

Nothing is better than winning.
I’d rather watch a winning team than an entertaining team.


Seconded


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 16:51:45
People will turn up to watch a winning team (I’m aware we aren’t one of those either)
Don’t get this notion of going to football to be ‘entertained’ we aren’t  neutrals from Singapore or something.

Nothing is better than winning.
I’d rather watch a winning team than an entertaining team.


Winning games of football is all that it’s about, it’s a bonus to have a team that’s entertaining as well.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 17:52:27
This is what’s got us in this position

‘ “There’s a chance that we might not get the results we like, but we have to keep playing football the right way, because that showcases talent in the best possible way. It’s important that we play the right way so that we can showcase talent” - Sandro Di Michele #STFC’


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 18:24:23
This is what’s got us in this position

‘ “There’s a chance that we might not get the results we like, but we have to keep playing football the right way, because that showcases talent in the best possible way. It’s important that we play the right way so that we can showcase talent” - Sandro Di Michele #STFC’

All well and good if you want to tread water in L2 with players and a coaching staff not capable of getting out of that league.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Pericardinho on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 18:36:15
I don't get it though.

Nobody's going to sign any of our players based on successful pass percentages.

They're going to sign them on output. Goals, Assists, Chances created.

If the season ended today at the half way point, the only clubs higher up the chain who might consider spending money on one of our players would be on Wakeling. And even that is a push now given he's been fairly average since signing his new contract.

So if we aren't getting promoted, and we also aren't putting anybody in the shop window, that's a 0/2 missions completed and doesn't bode well for the management team.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 19:48:37
People will turn up to watch a winning team (I’m aware we aren’t one of those either)
Don’t get this notion of going to football to be ‘entertained’ we aren’t  neutrals from Singapore or something.

Nothing is better than winning.
I’d rather watch a winning team than an entertaining team.


Yep, entertainment is a bonus. The aim of competitive sport is to win first and foremost





Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: digby on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 20:05:21
This is what’s got us in this position

‘ “There’s a chance that we might not get the results we like, but we have to keep playing football the right way, because that showcases talent in the best possible way. It’s important that we play the right way so that we can showcase talent” - Sandro Di Michele #STFC’

If that's what he actually said, then I don't want that person running the football side of my club !  What a clown !  A winning side and success on the pitch is all the fans want - and if you achieve that then it's likely your players have performed reasonably well and are more likely to be coveted by other teams !

Thinking the selling of 'assets' is more important than results or entertaining is ridiculous, and could become a cancer spreading through the club if that idea is adopted by others within the setup !   :suicide:


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 20:15:45
Surely he didn’t say that? If he did, then the man is in the wrong job.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 20:24:17
Remember the outrage when Evans was linked with the job, he probably would have got us promoted but not playing the Swindon way!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 22:14:22
Surely he didn’t say that? If he did, then the man is in the wrong job.

According to someone on Twitter "Yep, I paid to hear him say it in the data-driven episode of the documentary series."


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 00:25:14
Lindsey just has to go plain and simple

A Wellens type experienced manager would have us in the top 3 now- instead of the teams below us win their games in hand then we will be mid table which I think is the best we will finish under this management

If the ethos of the club is sell on players at a profit- it ain’t working as no player realistically currently would make us a good fee as none of them are at their best under this shit show of a management team


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 06:38:27
Unfortunately I have to agree with you Outletred
SL does sound like a likable type of guy.  A type of person you can trust and rely on
The type of guy who does not mind losing as long as he does not cause problems.
A character type who is not a football manager.
We were so unlucky not to get Wellens back.
Sorry Scott you need to go.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 11:20:15
The facebook page is a sight to behold; Lindsey has gone from "Super Scott, knowning what we need"  to a clown, a c*nt and useless within a couple of games.
I understand people feel the need to criticise a manager but the unproportional reactions and personal insults are really rather stupid, and extremely childish.





Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 11:24:11
The facebook page is a sight to behold; Lindsey has gone from "Super Scott, knowning what we need"  to a clown, a c*nt and useless within a couple of games.
I understand people feel the need to criticise a manager but the unproportional reactions and personal insults are really rather stupid, and extremely childish.





Then they give out suggestions like Holloway, Tisdale and Warnock to replace him. Makes my eyes bleed


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 11:29:47
Scott is what everyone knows he is, a good coach. Not a Head Coach or Manager.

Which comes back to Sandros extensive search and review that saw Lyndsey get the job without even being interviewed!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 11:53:31
Whilst the jury is out on Lindsey and performances/results need to improve, is he doing any worse than the journeyman managers we had in recent years like Flitcroft, Phil Brown or Sheridan?

As for a Wellens type manager. Wellens was unproven when he came here with the relegation, in difficult circumstances, at Oldham. Getting those one or two key players in made all the difference with Doyle and Grant.

Not sure he is going anywhere quickly and the run of poor home performances mirrored what happened under Garner last season. It might need something to click like Garner got the 5-2 vs Northampton last year and the feel good around the City game


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 12:05:20
Unlike the 5-2 at Mansfield only a short while ago


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 12:57:00
The 5-2 on NYD last season did get a feel good factor going again after a run of 1 win in 5 at home and the Stevenage 0-0.

Then Garner followed it up with draws at home to Rovers and Crawley and losing to Exeter.

Maybe that feel good factor didn't last long but Garner picked up enough away wins to keep the pressure off.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 14:15:46
We could beat good teams last season, but trip up against mediocre teams - which suggested quality, but not consistency

Our form against the top half so far this season is poor, which is why equivalent points doesn’t feel the same year on year. It’s not looked like a side capable of really challenging with the others at the top of this division


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 14:20:33
To evidence - after 23 games last season, we’d won 7 out of 11 vs top half teams. This time round it’s twice


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 14:50:37
Lindsey just has to go plain and simple

A Wellens type experienced manager would have us in the top 3 now- instead of the teams below us win their games in hand then we will be mid table which I think is the best we will finish under this management

If the ethos of the club is sell on players at a profit- it ain’t working as no player realistically currently would make us a good fee as none of them are at their best under this shit show of a management team

There is no way this squad is a top 3 capable squad, certainly not a current season one anyway.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 15:07:16
I think I’m right on this.

Both Crawley and Crewe have lost every game since beating us.

That puts a bit of perspective on how horrendously awful we are at times.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 15:19:19
Sorry, this is a bit of a statto post, but I have far too much time on my hands today, and started looking at the pretty impressive array of statistics on WhoScored (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/9/England-League-Two) to try and work out what someone (like say, our current hierarchy) who was statistically inclined would make of our season to date.

The interesting thing that stands out to me is how similar we are on almost all of the metrics to Leyton Orient. Unfortunately, the metrics where we differ are points (17 behind), goals scored (9 behind) and goals conceded (11 more), all of which are fairly crucial.

On the next tier down though, we're almost identical - STFC are second in the league for average possession, pass completion % and second bottom for tackles made per game. In all three cases, the teams either side of us are Salford (10th) and Leyton Orient (1st). When comparing to Orient, our passing style is almost identical (both 81% short passes, compare to Stevenage on 69%). Orient have even more of the play in the middle third of the pitch than we do (although both way above the divisional average).

Think someone posted this a few days ago - https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/08/league-two-stats-2022-23/ and it's a super interesting page if anyone is a bit of a statto. It generally tells the same story - Salford, Orient and ourselves are by a distance the most possession based sides in the division. One of those sides is performing much better than the other two. Maybe Richie Wellens is good at this. Or maybe he's just lucky, not that the difference really matters!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 15:33:19
I am not saying Wellens is a great Manager, but maybe he has a better approach in delivering on those stats.  BY an large I seem to remember him shunning the youth/reserves to a degree.  He did sign younger players at times, but ones who could deliver now.  He didn't seem that worried about developing players.  His approach was to do well now, not worry about 5 years time.  I am not sure he'd fit with our overall philosophy, but I reckon he'd have pulled together a more coherent squad for THIS season.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 20:49:19
The thing a number of posters have chosen to ignore is that we have been significantly disrupted by injury and illness in recent weeks - we have played a left back at centre half for the last month, and our best two midfielders Gladwin and Williams, one was at the World Cup and the other injured.
The squad is not as deep as some like to think - or choose to say in order to justify the ludicrous “Lindsey out” talk - and despite those challenges we are still 5th.
I agree we need more goal power, but don’t forget our striker options have also been affected by injury for long periods.
There is a tendency to overreact to every result - win or lose. If we stick with SL and add some quality and depth to the squad in January we will at least make the play offs.
My final point - to those who say “sack SL” - who would you appoint who is available and guaranteed to do a better job? Generally if a club is sacking a manager they have the replacement lined up. It is easy to say “sack him” but I haven’t seen anyone offer a viable alternative yet!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 21:04:07
The thing a number of posters have chosen to ignore is that we have been significantly disrupted by injury and illness in recent weeks - we have played a left back at centre half for the last month, and our best two midfielders Gladwin and Williams, one was at the World Cup and the other injured.
The squad is not as deep as some like to think - or choose to say in order to justify the ludicrous “Lindsey out” talk - and despite those challenges we are still 5th.
I agree we need more goal power, but don’t forget our striker options have also been affected by injury for long periods.
There is a tendency to overreact to every result - win or lose. If we stick with SL and add some quality and depth to the squad in January we will at least make the play offs.
My final point - to those who say “sack SL” - who would you appoint who is available and guaranteed to do a better job? Generally if a club is sacking a manager they have the replacement lined up. It is easy to say “sack him” but I haven’t seen anyone offer a viable alternative yet!


I think you make fair points with regards to the injuries having affected team selections, one I’ve made myself a few times.

However, personally feel a lot of our players are interchangeable and the tactics / game plan are / is the issue - no matter who we have available.

Take Mondays game. Which of our injured players would have changed that result from a defeat to win??


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 21:05:31
Like let’s say Jephcott is our best and main striker.
Would we have won Monday with him fully fit and playing?
Same argument but with Clayton and the defence.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 28, 2022, 21:17:56
With Clayton back, would we have gone to a back 4 with BT left back? Would that have worked better.

Maybe. Probably wouldn't have changed it though it gives an option


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DMC on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 08:56:31
The thing a number of posters have chosen to ignore is that we have been significantly disrupted by injury and illness in recent weeks - we have played a left back at centre half for the last month, and our best two midfielders Gladwin and Williams, one was at the World Cup and the other injured.
The squad is not as deep as some like to think - or choose to say in order to justify the ludicrous “Lindsey out” talk - and despite those challenges we are still 5th.
I agree we need more goal power, but don’t forget our striker options have also been affected by injury for long periods.
There is a tendency to overreact to every result - win or lose. If we stick with SL and add some quality and depth to the squad in January we will at least make the play offs.
My final point - to those who say “sack SL” - who would you appoint who is available and guaranteed to do a better job? Generally if a club is sacking a manager they have the replacement lined up. It is easy to say “sack him” but I haven’t seen anyone offer a viable alternative yet!

I don't think people are ignoring it but on Monday watched a game yesterday where we had a right back at left whilst we had 2 left backs playing center half and in a number 8. The player who started left-back first game is now our right back and the left-back that day started upfront Monday, We then took off our lone striker for a 5ft wide striker. He had a full squad to choose from Monday position wise and still chose to shoe horn players in. He told us that Khan was unfroppable 3 games ago and leaves him unused on his return from injury. He is making some really odd decisions despite the illness and injury. Also, if there was illness as he says then more fool him not making the changes to the team


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 09:31:22
for a 5ft wide striker.

Bit harsh on RHM

Even fat boy Razor Ruddock was never 5ft wide!!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 09:52:51
The thing a number of posters have chosen to ignore is that we have been significantly disrupted by injury and illness in recent weeks - we have played a left back at centre half for the last month, and our best two midfielders Gladwin and Williams, one was at the World Cup and the other injured.
The squad is not as deep as some like to think - or choose to say in order to justify the ludicrous “Lindsey out” talk - and despite those challenges we are still 5th.
I agree we need more goal power, but don’t forget our striker options have also been affected by injury for long periods.
There is a tendency to overreact to every result - win or lose. If we stick with SL and add some quality and depth to the squad in January we will at least make the play offs.
My final point - to those who say “sack SL” - who would you appoint who is available and guaranteed to do a better job? Generally if a club is sacking a manager they have the replacement lined up. It is easy to say “sack him” but I haven’t seen anyone offer a viable alternative yet!

It's not an overreaction to a short term blip.

We are 5th only because we have played more games than everyone else.  By the time others catch up we will be 9th or 10th.

Our form is awful, no home win in 2 and a half months, 3 goals in 6 games is relegation fodder, not a team looking for promotion.

There are clear tactical deficiencies in the way we set up as others have described and we can't defend or score set pieces.   We don't counter attack, nearly always turning back, rarely get 1 on 1s with a striker in front of goal.   No-one runs ahead of the forwards from midfield, but we do get 6 stood in a static line up front occasionally which never works.   We've failed to score in nearly half our games and have had starting 11s at home with 6 defenders in it and  he's continually out thought by by other managers.

I could go on.   We started poorly looking like a lower mid table team, then scraped a few wins culminating in a cracking performance at mansfield but that has not been followed up so has to be considered a one off.

If he had tried things during games, been more pragmatic at times, or showed any sign of improving individuals or the collective I could forgive him, but we can't continue to trust a process that clearly isn't working.

In terms of saying that there aren't any replacements, that is a stupid comment,  there are so many out of work managers, coaches and recently retired pros who would jump at the job,  we're a big team in this league.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 09:55:04
…let’s not forget how few people were jumping at the chance to manager us in the summer.

That’s kinda how we got here.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:00:01
…let’s not forget how few people were jumping at the chance to manager us in the summer.

That’s kinda how we got here.
Thought there were many but only SL agreed with Sandro's brief and there may be a reason for that.



Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:03:26
Thought there were many but only SL agreed with Sandro's brief and there may be a reason for that.



Perhaps. It’s a theory.
If it’s true then sacking Lindsey now and looking for a replacement will still bring the same issues as the summer, no?


Title: Re: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:09:51
Thought there were many but only SL agreed with Sandro's brief and there may be a reason for that.
On that basis, who are you bringing in to replace SL then?

Not saying he is doing well  but no point sacking him if there is no one better wh would realistically come in and take over, its not like we are fighting relegation and any change has a chance of working and us worth risking.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:10:32
Perhaps. It’s a theory.
If it’s true then sacking Lindsey now and looking for a replacement will still bring the same issues as the summer, no?
Or a lesson may have been learned and ideology adapted.

One things for sure we can't go on like this, would be a travesty to lose the 3-4 thousand extra fans since Clem arrived through boredom and lack of hope.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:16:01
Crawley part company with Etherington and assistant Simon Davies


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:31:33
Crawley part company with Etherington and assistant Simon Davies

A month and no transfer window - harsh

Playef 4 lost 3 including hartlepool at home.  Only win was against us!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:34:49
And they started so well comfortably beating us!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:40:54
Thought there were many but only SL agreed with Sandro's brief and there may be a reason for that.



Let's not forget Andrew Crofts & Ryan Mason were rumoured to be who we wanted but wages got in the way.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:42:34
Crawley part company with Etherington and assistant Simon Davies
Finacial crisis there apparently.


Title: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycli
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:47:13
not enough idiots to buy the fools gold nft.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 10:59:27
And we managed to lose to these clowns.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 11:47:42
They should get Shezza in.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 14:18:21
Perhaps. It’s a theory.
If it’s true then sacking Lindsey now and looking for a replacement will still bring the same issues as the summer, no?

Only if there was s no one lined up to replace him. There generally is but we’re Swindon Town, we tend to do things differently.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 18:09:24
Don’t know how close we were - or at all - to employing Michael Carrick as manager. He’s taken Middlesbrough from relegation spot in Championship to challenging for a PO spot.

Aaaahh. What might have been.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 18:17:10
Don’t know how close we were - or at all - to employing Michael Carrick as manager. He’s taken Middlesbrough from relegation spot in Championship to challenging for a PO spot.

Aaaahh. What might have been.
Probably wages would have been an issue with him too. Lincoln wanted him but were put off by his wage demands.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DMC on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 18:31:38
Don’t know how close we were - or at all - to employing Michael Carrick as manager. He’s taken Middlesbrough from relegation spot in Championship to challenging for a PO spot.

Aaaahh. What might have been.
Nowhere near, he should be the example to how we should really be more realistic. He turned down Fleetwood i believe and another championship club before taking that job. There were a few we were linked with  by fans that was madness


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 18:37:40
Nowhere near, he should be the example to how we should really be more realistic. He turned down Fleetwood i believe and another championship club before taking that job. There were a few we were linked with  by fans that was madness
I think he was linked by fans was based upon him being close to the Lincoln job and Lincoln only being 1 division higher than us, despite the fact that they couldnt afford his wages, he was never a realistic target.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 18:40:09
He was linked to us because one of us probably said ‘Carricks looking for a job’ and that’s all it was based on.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 29, 2022, 19:39:14
Carrick was a dream. We've attracted good managers early in their career before but wages was always going to be a struggle. You was hoping a mixture of Carrick knowing the club, seeing some potential there and Clem seeing the potential and pushing the boat out.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Monday, January 2, 2023, 21:50:06
Cowley brothers sacked from Pompey


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 08:50:02
Carrick was a dream. We've attracted good managers early in their career before but wages was always going to be a struggle. You was hoping a mixture of Carrick knowing the club, seeing some potential there and Clem seeing the potential and pushing the boat out.
To give you an idea though, Crofts at Brighton was all but ready to come here as manager, and then Brighton came in with a new contract believed to be around 6 xs more than what a manager gets in this league. Madness now what coaches at these clubs are earning


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 09:05:20
To give you an idea though, Crofts at Brighton was all but ready to come here as manager, and then Brighton came in with a new contract believed to be around 6 xs more than what a manager gets in this league. Madness now what coaches at these clubs are earning

Plus, so many more positions available than 20 years ago.
Better wages & better job security.

Plus, with how short term managers are these days you can see why they all move on first chance they get.
A lot of people wondered why Garner would go to Charlton - a seemingly basket case club who go through managers rather than stay here with some sort of stability.

Well, at Charlton he’s done what? 6 months work & has now gotten a pay off.

It’s why so many managers go to Watford. They probably get 2/3 years wages for 3 months work.

It’s probably more financially beneficial to be a shit manager who goes from job to job due to the pay off for being sacked.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 09:39:56
A lot of people wondered why Garner would go to Charlton -...

Well, at Charlton he’s done what? 6 months work & has now gotten a pay off.

The way I saw Garner leaving was that he'd be under pressure here to get promoted, he'd be under pressure there to get promoted - they are a bigger club and presumably pay more.

The fans never really took to him here anyway.

I'd love to know if there were any STFC issues that pushed him away too- did he know things were going to change recruitment strategy wise. Did Chorley know... I guess we'll never find out.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 09:46:10
The way I saw Garner leaving was that he'd be under pressure here to get promoted, he'd be under pressure there to get promoted - they are a bigger club and presumably pay more.

The fans never really took to him here anyway.

I'd love to know if there were any STFC issues that pushed him away too- did he know things were going to change recruitment strategy wise. Did Chorley know... I guess we'll never find out.

He’d have been under pressure from the fans for sure but he was last season as well but obviously Clem stuck with him.

Clem thus far has proven to be quite a loyal employer to be fair.

Probably lots of factors as why Garner picked Charlton over Swindon but I doubt the probability of being sacked by Charlton in 6 months was something he was bothered about - for him it’s a big pay day I expect.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 09:50:04
To give you an idea though, Crofts at Brighton was all but ready to come here as manager, and then Brighton came in with a new contract believed to be around 6 xs more than what a manager gets in this league. Madness now what coaches at these clubs are earning

Apologies if going over old ground here, but that means Crofts was our first choice as we clearly offered and it sounds like he accepted terms before Brighton gazumped us. I thought the message from the board was that Scott Lindsey was (always?) our #1 choice?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 09:51:36
I remember reading that he had a house somewhere around SE London so that may have been a contributing factor. On the surface Charlton are a big club with lots of history but like Watford and it's owners it's become one of the most unstable jobs in English football.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 09:53:29
Apologies if going over old ground here, but that means Crofts was our first choice as we clearly offered and it sounds like he accepted terms before Brighton gazumped us. I thought the message from the board was that Scott Lindsey was (always?) our #1 choice?

The length of time it dragged on I would say Lindsey was the only choice with the package that was on offer.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 09:54:24
Apologies if going over old ground here, but that means Crofts was our first choice as we clearly offered and it sounds like he accepted terms before Brighton gazumped us. I thought the message from the board was that Scott Lindsey was (always?) our #1 choice?

Wasn’t that more the spill coming from Sandro, as opposed to the board/Clem.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 09:56:19
No board/manager in history has ever said that their appointee was fourth choice though. Didn't the FA try and pretend Steve McLaren was first choice when they'd offered the job to Scolari?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:06:27
I remember reading that he had a house somewhere around SE London so that may have been a contributing factor. On the surface Charlton are a big club with lots of history but like Watford and it's owners it's become one of the most unstable jobs in English football.

Not sure we can claim the high ground here on our 7th manager of the 2020's Only 2 of which have been caretakers) with the fans now clamouring for an 8th.

How long a contract is Lindsey on as that may also be feeding into Clem's thoughts.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:07:32
Sandro spin, Crofts was lined up, Brighton stepped in, Crofts backed out - easily spinnable to say that we didn't actually offer any contract and he turned it down so that you can say that Lindsey was our first choice.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:11:18
No board/manager in history has ever said that their appointee was fourth choice though. Didn't the FA try and pretend Steve McLaren was first choice when they'd offered the job to Scolari?


Sandro spin, Crofts was lined up, Brighton stepped in, Crofts backed out - easily spinnable to say that we didn't actually offer any contract and he turned it down so that you can say that Lindsey was our first choice.

Absolutely agree on both counts. I guess when the board have put the 'open and honest' mantra over the club's head it doesn't exactly scream that, but I totally understand why it was spun in the way it was.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:15:03
Not sure we can claim the high ground here on our 7th manager of the 2020's Only 2 of which have been caretakers) with the fans now clamouring for an 8th.

Arguably none of those managers have been sacked though. Sheridan probably closest, but Wellens, Garner and McGreal (remember him?) all definitely left of their own accord for better things.

Last manager we properly sacked was Phil Brown in November 2018.

Part of the managerial instability is that anyone who has a half decent six months here seems to get a move up the chain.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:15:59
I guess when the board have put the 'open and honest' mantra over the club's head

Surely that isn't unlimited in scope though.

As you say, its completely understandable in this case.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:36:43
Club can say what they like but if it takes you 6 weeks to appointment someone already at the club - there is absolutely no chance in hell he was first choice nor is there any chance in hell you will convince anyone otherwise.


I mean if Lindsey had spent the summer in a Greek monastery up a mountain - I’d somewhat get it but…

If you’re appointing someone at club (and who is first choice) you do it straight away and bang on about ‘continuity’


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:47:54
Cowley brothers sacked from Pompey
My Pompey mate says the football under them has been shocking.

One trick pony at Lincoln, bully boy manager and bully boy tactics don't cut it outside of L1. Told Huddersfield and Pompey  fans he only played that was at Lincoln because that was the players that were avaiable to him, then proceeds to play the same style at Huddersfield and Pompey.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:54:07
Club can say what they like but if it takes you 6 weeks to appointment someone already at the club - there is absolutely no chance in hell he was first choice nor is there any chance in hell you will convince anyone otherwise.


I mean if Lindsey had spent the summer in a Greek monastery up a mountain - I’d somewhat get it but…

If you’re appointing someone at club (and who is first choice) you do it straight away and bang on about ‘continuity’


My thoughts exactly, if Lindsey was always the first choice they would have appointment him straight away.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:55:08
Arguably none of those managers have been sacked though. Sheridan probably closest, but Wellens, Garner and McGreal (remember him?) all definitely left of their own accord for better things.

Last manager we properly sacked was Phil Brown in November 2018.

Part of the managerial instability is that anyone who has a half decent six months here seems to get a move up the chain.
McGreal would do a far better job than Lyndsey.  Did a decent job with no money at Colchester and the majority of their fans were sorry to see him go.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 10:55:31
Sandro spin, Crofts was lined up, Brighton stepped in, Crofts backed out - easily spinnable to say that we didn't actually offer any contract and he turned it down so that you can say that Lindsey was our first choice.

They also thought he was going to Charlton with Garner so wasn’t really an option.

It was only when those negotiations broke down he became available.

Playing Devils Advocate that also meant we would have had to pay him off if we appointed a new coach


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 11:14:56
Maybe Brighton will let us have Crofts as a "loan manager" until the end of the season :)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 12:13:30

The fans never really took to him here anyway.


Or there


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 20:38:27
Lampard must be on borrowed time, 4-0 down at home to Brighton


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 11:11:49
Grant McCann is about to be given his jotters from Peterborough.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 11:16:47
Job for Darren Ferguson.....again😀


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 11:28:52
Job for Darren Ferguson.....again😀

They do love giving him a job right enough!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 11:48:10
Grant McCann is about to be given his jotters from Peterborough.
Similar position to us in their league once all the games in hand have happened. So a decent precedent for getting rid of Lindsey.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 11:48:12
Grant McCann is about to be given his jotters from Peterborough.
Hes been on the edge of it for weeks apparently, could kybosh any deal for Joe Tomlinson though.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 12:04:00
Job for Darren Ferguson.....again😀

Seems that way!

"Hearing Grant McCann has left #PUFC and that Darren Ferguson is set to return for his FOURTH stint as manager."


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 12:10:07
Seems that way!

"Hearing Grant McCann has left #PUFC and that Darren Ferguson is set to return for his FOURTH stint as manager."

Back till end of season apparently, at which stage he will probably leave by mutual consent for the 4th time.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 6, 2023, 17:04:48
David Wagner in at the Canaries.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 6, 2023, 17:07:01
David Wagner in at the Canaries.
Isn’t he busy fighting in Ukraine?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 9, 2023, 16:04:18
Having spent 6 years wasting Belgium's Golden Generation of talent, football's biggest charlatan* Roberto Martinez gets the Portugal job, where he'll no doubt squander their promising young players (and that old fella up top).



* Probably not, but he's certainly an absolutely chronic underperformer and everything his critics think Southgate is.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 10, 2023, 06:39:05
Luke Williams is fav for the Pompey gig


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 10, 2023, 07:30:43
Rory Delap leaves Stoke as first team coach with immediate effect


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, January 10, 2023, 08:37:07
The world’s greatest throw-in coach


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 10, 2023, 09:55:46
Rory Delap leaves Stoke as first team coach with immediate effect
Next stop Swindon....

Luke Williams is fav for the Pompey gig
I know hes done well at County but blimey!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, January 14, 2023, 21:24:47
Mark Hudson gets the heave-ho at Cardiff.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 23, 2023, 15:27:06
Lampard gone.. shock

(BBC reporting, not official from EFC)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 23, 2023, 16:03:34
FA appealing John Yems 18 month ban.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, January 23, 2023, 16:31:51
FA appealing John Yems 18 month ban.

I hope they do.

There will be at least 92 clubs queuing up to offer him a role in England alone.

Hes finished...rightfully so...everyone knows it.

Political posturing.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 23, 2023, 17:00:30
I hope they do.

There will be at least 92 clubs queuing up to offer him a role in England alone.

Hes finished...rightfully so...everyone knows it.

Political posturing.

Flash was on Countryfile last night!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 12:38:45
Ian Burchnall gone from FGR


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 12:48:00
Ian Burchnall gone from FGR

Make our appointment quick, I could see FGR looking for the same kind of profile...


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 13:47:17
Make our appointment quick, I could see FGR looking for the same kind of profile...
Absolutely and probably paying more in wages.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 16:27:15
Duncan Ferguson favourite for Forest Green job!


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 16:30:28
Don't tell DV


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 16:39:15
It may be a horrible case of judging a book by its cover, but Big Dunc might be my idea of the world's least vegan footballer.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 16:58:27
It may be a horrible case of judging a book by its cover, but Big Dunc might be my idea of the world's least vegan footballer.

Hopefully he ends up punching Dale Vince.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 17:11:05
Hopefully he ends up punching Dale Vince.

Oh yes please, can it be televised too


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 09:01:58
Early reports suggest FGR are going to appoint deadly Dunc today. Div is going to self-combust isn't he?


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 09:36:35
Early reports suggest FGR are going to appoint deadly Dunc today. Div is going to self-combust isn't he?

I don’t know if FGR have approached him or whether he approached them - but either way, it certainly gives of the vibes he *might* have been interested in coming here.

Obviously this is the bit where someone puts me in my place by knowing exactly what FGR will be paying Ferguson, what their budget is and how it compares to ours.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 09:37:54
Early reports suggest FGR are going to appoint deadly Dunc today. Div is going to self-combust isn't he?
:D TBH that is the sort of appointment that could easily go either way, he could be great or he could just have a fight with himself and get sacked.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 09:42:12
:D TBH that is the sort of appointment that could easily go either way, he could be great or he could just have a fight with himself and get sacked.

I think FGR are toast anyway so fair play to them for giving it a roll of the dice.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 11:19:05
I think FGR are toast anyway so fair play to them for giving it a roll of the dice.
Indeed, it does prove that money doesnt always buy success though.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 11:22:09
Although one could argue that money has already brought them success, getting a village team into League 1


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 11:24:09
Although one could argue that money has already brought them success, getting a village team into League 1
This is true, they have done well for a tiny club but have massive financial backing and to be a real ongoing success he will need to take them higher now.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 12:15:00
This is true, they have done well for a tiny club but have massive financial backing and to be a real ongoing success he will need to take them higher now.

Can't wait to see Big Dunc in old town :-)


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 12:33:18
Ferguson is a bit of a country lad isn't he so you'd imagine he'd love the countryside around Nailsworth.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:40:04
Confirmed


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:47:27
2 days! They obviously don’t have a Sandro.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:53:51
2 days! They obviously don’t have a Sandro.
Nor a manager that left out of the blue either


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:58:21
Nor a manager that left out of the blue either

According to the ITKers on here SL was close to getting sacked.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:58:38
Nor a manager that left out of the blue either

Big Dunc said he had the approach two days ago, went down for talks & made up his mind yesterday! Amazing what can be achieved when the person in charge has an idea what they're doing.....


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 18:26:23
I don’t know if FGR have approached him or whether he approached them - but either way, it certainly gives of the vibes he *might* have been interested in coming here.

Obviously this is the bit where someone puts me in my place by knowing exactly what FGR will be paying Ferguson, what their budget is and how it compares to ours.

They produce financial accounts.  While you cannot use that to determine any individual salary, you can see they were ploughing cash into the business via "sponsorship" to a level well beyond most if not all L2 clubs.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 19:11:10
Kolo Toure sacked from Wigan


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 19:19:11
They produce financial accounts.  While you cannot use that to determine any individual salary, you can see they were ploughing cash into the business via "sponsorship" to a level well beyond most if not all L2 clubs.

Max 50k per home game is £1.15m 22 players on £2k per week is £2.2m plus all the other expenses of running the club. Bare in mind not everyone of the 2500 fans are going to be paying £20 per game.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 19:20:55
Max 50k per home game is £1.15m 22 players on £2k per week is £2.2m plus all the other expenses of running the club. Bare in mind not everyone of the 2500 fans are going to be paying £20 per game.

Which was my point - the accounts clearly show Ecotricity/Vince sending a wad their way each season to underpin the wage bill.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 20:02:35
Which was my point - the accounts clearly show Ecotricity/Vince sending a wad their way each season to underpin the wage bill.

Agreed but you’ve taken the time to look at the accounts. Plenty wouldn’t.


Title: Re: Managerial Merry-go-round 2022-2023; Recycling Centre
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 20:54:10
I got irritated by a LinkedIn post by their CEO or some other important position congratulating themselves on their successes.  I took a gander and replied to him once the financials confirmed their Commercial success was Daddy.