Thetownend.com

25% => The Reg Smeeton Match Day Action/Reaction Forum => Topic started by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 09:59:55



Title: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 09:59:55
Home win 3-0 McKirdy coming off the bench early 2nd half to score. Egbo and Davison bag one each. 10,767 (534)

On a side note there are three six pointers tomorrow.

Valiants v Gas
Amber & Chocolates v Exiles
SWA v Grecians

I confess to having looked up two of those nicknames.

Other fixtures of note

Vegans v Latics
The Blues v The Stags
Ammies v The Ziggers
Cobblers v Sulphurites




Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 10:31:15
Has all the hallmarks of a 1-0 defeat in front of 10,725 with 315 O's fans there.

Swindon have only beaten O's once in the last 9 meetings at the County Ground since 1991, a 3-2 win in 2009 when Charlie scored the winner, otherwise Orient have won 5 of those games.

https://lofcforum.boards.net/thread/11499/swindon-os-18-04-2022

Orient fans seem to think we get about half to 3/4 the crowds that we actually do.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 10:55:33
2-1 home win Att, 11,400 with 400 O's

Intereresting reading their thoughts on Wellens
https://lofcforum.boards.net/thread/11487/richie-wellens


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 11:01:33
Thread title needs updating.

That aside, I suspect that this will be a dull 0-0 draw.

Att:10,169

Man of the match: Egbo with 22 votes



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient
Post by: Super Hans on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 11:10:16
4-1 win. Play-offs well on the cards.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 11:19:46
Piece of piss. 4-1


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 11:47:24
1-1


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 12:06:25
Predictable home defeat but other results go out way to keep hope alive.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 12:25:48
A game at home against a team that aren’t really useless or ravaged by injuries.

Hoping that we play to win, rather than just trying not to lose.

On the basis that I predicted 0-0 v Harrogate, I’m going to do the same here hoping to be just as right this time 🤞


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: cdakev on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 12:38:09
3-2 win to the Town. McKirdy coming off the bench to score the winner in stoppage time and keep our play off hopes in tact in front of 10,419 with 320 from Orient.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient
Post by: 4D on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 13:40:47

https://lofcforum.boards.net/thread/11499/swindon-os-18-04-2022

Orient fans seem to think we get about half to 3/4 the crowds that we actually do.

5,950?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Can't remember when we had a crowd that low. Be a good crowd for orient mind, maybe that's where the confusion is?

10,854 (402 away) 1-1


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 13:46:58
Orient don’t really have anything to play for, not going up, not going down,  hopefully won’t turn up or play possibles for next season.   2-0 to us.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 13:51:48
I see that members of the away side's forum have a thing about corners.  I think that there are 4 on the pitch.  No-one else seems to realise that.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 13:53:23
5,950?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Can't remember when we had a crowd that low. Be a good crowd for orient mind, maybe that's where the confusion is?

10,854 (402 away) 1-1
They do seem to have got us mixed up with Oxford

‘Strange to think Swindon have been in both the premiership and the National league and are now back where they have mostly been - alongside us in the 4th division.’

Right about the PL. wrong about the NL and wrong about where we’ve mostly been.

Haven’t they got a forum Reg?

This one is a bit weird too - 1 goal, 2 scorers

‘Swindon Town 1 Leyton Orient 0

McKirdy, Payne’



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 14:04:40
All they had to do was look at our last home attendance v Newport to answer their own question!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 20:06:47
A rare victory. But I don't think we'll beat em on aggregate.Maybe a single Davison goal


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, April 17, 2022, 20:09:28
Are you looking into the future maybe when an aggressive bonus point is awarded over the two games😀

Orient fans must be doing their home work as the predicted attendance has gone up😀
https://lofcforum.boards.net/thread/11499/swindon-os-18-04-2022


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Shizzle on Monday, April 18, 2022, 05:54:01
Are tickets available up until kick off, does anyone know? Might pop along today for my first games in god knows how long.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: cdakev on Monday, April 18, 2022, 06:49:00
Home tickets still available. You can reserve on lie and collect later.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: cdakev on Monday, April 18, 2022, 07:36:17
A massive game for us today. A must win game hopefully in front of a massive vocal crowd to get behind the team and roar us for 3 points. Anyone thinking about going, just go and enjoy !. COYR


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:29:09
Let’s see if the town end can try and find their voices today!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Anteater on Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:42:04
Let’s see if the town end can try and find their voices today!
Bit weird this ? Similar comments on Facebook too ! Smacks of blame culture ? Not exactly encouraging.
2-1 win COYR


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:09:41
Be nice to hear the rest of the ground put some effort in  ::)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:18:26
Be nice to hear the rest of the ground put some effort in  ::)

That's the problem we're not a very passionate bunch st the County ground!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:21:47
I think it's the anticipation of something about to go wrong.


Title: Re: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:24:55
Bit weird this ? Similar comments on Facebook too ! Smacks of blame culture ? Not exactly encouraging.
2-1 win COYR
Based on a lot of Facebook I assume they are hoping that the Town End will be chanting Wellens name today?

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:27:03
Nothing like undermining the curent manager😀


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:30:41
Based on a lot of Facebook I assume they are hoping that the Town End will be chanting Wellens name today?
Even if I was there I would clap him onto the arena but not sing his name.

I appreciate what he did for the club but fucking hell hes no Danny Williams, Macari, Hoddle or Ardiles.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:33:16
Even Bobby Smith for a couple of seasons😀


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:35:16
Even Bobby Smith for a couple of seasons😀
I don't remember Bobby coming back managing another team?

Like Wellens, he had 1/2 good seasons followed by a very poor one.

EDIT: I just checked and yes he never managed any side vs Swindon after leaving us.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:38:46
I don't remember Bobby coming back managing another team?

Like Wellens, he had 1/2 good seasons followed by a very poor one.

I don't think he did but as a school kid a couple of years of great memories and bunking off school to get to a few big away cup games


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Lemis on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:40:36
Not able to go today, so will probably be a 5-0 win akin to the last home game I missed


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 18, 2022, 09:41:45
Win. 2-1


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, April 18, 2022, 10:05:20
Orient will come to play football.

Be brave today. High line, pressure on the ball. Early goal crucial. Settle the nerves and then pick them off.

We have to start fast. Too many times this season the opposition have still been in the game in the last 20 mins and we've been punished.



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 10:43:09
Even if I was there I would clap him onto the arena but not sing his name.

I appreciate what he did for the club but fucking hell hes no Danny Williams, Macari, Hoddle or Ardiles.

Yeah, a mix of polite ripple & indifference for Wellens today.
Fair bit of water under the bridge since he left.

Lucky manager? maybe.
He's fallen into a barrel of breasts 3 times & has yet to emerge sucking his thumb.

Orient are a good club to manage.
If he gets some backing then he could do ok there.



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 10:46:28
Are you looking into the future maybe when an aggressive bonus point is awarded over the two games😀


What a good idea


Title: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 10:47:31
I'll clap wellens, if a chant goes up fair enough. We never got to thank him for promotion.

but this is about us not him.

and yeah the Townend deserve criticism. it was more noisy in terms of quantity in the DRS last home game.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 10:49:38
What a good idea


You never know in the future maybe! lots of younger fans won't remember when it was 2 points for a win😀


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 10:57:57
No Baudry today so JOB slots in. Expecting Williams to start for Payne who’s been off the boil a bit recently and Odimayo for Hunt


Title: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 11:01:11
Quote
No Baudry today so JOB slots in. Expecting Williams to start for Payne who’s been off the boil a bit recently and Odimayo for Hunt
would expect Williams to be kept on bench to come on when egbo comes off.

unless McKirdy is indeed fit.

I guess your post is a statement of facts as you know it,  not guesswork?!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 11:39:01
STFC Facebook confirming over 10k tickets sold


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 70s townender on Monday, April 18, 2022, 12:13:47
I'm ever optomistic so 5-0 and auto's  still up for grabs COYR.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 12:44:31
SWINDON TOWN STARTING XI 👥 | Wollacott; Odimayo, Iandolo, Conroy (C), Davison, O'Brien, Egbo, Barry, Tomlinson, Payne, Reed.

SUBS | Ward, Baudry, Gladwin, Williams, Aguiar, Parsons, Cowmeadow.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 12:47:32
SWINDON TOWN STARTING XI 👥 | Wollacott; Odimayo, Iandolo, Conroy (C), Davison, O'Brien, Egbo, Barry, Tomlinson, Payne, Reed.

SUBS | Ward, Baudry, Gladwin, Williams, Aguiar, Parsons, Cowmeadow.

JOB and Odimayo in as expected. Surprised not to see Williams start. Fast start and get the crowd buzzing please town!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 12:55:27
Be interesting to see if we are up against "clown" Vigs or "superman" Vigs today. Hes a real dual personality keeper.

Hes the only ex Town player in the squad for O's today no place for Nouble or Harry Smith.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:02:41
Be interesting to see if we are up against "clown" Vigs or "superman" Vigs today. Hes a real dual personality keeper.

Hes the only ex Town player in the squad for O's today no place for Nouble or Harry Smith.

Wow either Smith is injured or suffered a massive loss of form since he destroyed us at theirs


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:04:16
Wow either Smith is injured or suffered a massive loss of form since he destroyed us at theirs
He was on the bench on Friday for them, he may have picked up an injury though.

From their forum....
Quote
Smith came out of the tunnel about ten minutes ago and is sitting in the dugout on his own.

Smith has gone from undropable under KJ to hardly making the starting 11 since RW came in and not made the bench on a couple of occasions too.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:05:48
Think he has fallen out of favour, not really a Wellens player


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:06:53
Think he has fallen out of favour, not really a Wellens player
I would take him back as an option up front.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:10:24
I would take him back as an option up front.

He'd be perfect for what we need


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:11:34
Wellens does have previous for falling out with players for no discernible reason. He hated Bogle when he was at Donny.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:12:44
He'd be perfect for what we need
I agree, hes good in the air and decent on the ground as a target man, is a threat at corners and set peices and has a career near to a goal every 3 to 4 game record and is still only 26.

As long as his head is in the right place he would be a good asset in this league. 13 goals in 39 games this season too.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:14:50
Same issue for much of the season, a lack of strength in depth. If Baudry is not 100% then bar Williams the bench is pretty weak (which obviously isn't fair on Cowmeadow & Parsons) so I hope Town don't need to rely on it too much.

The starting XI is probably enough to do a JOB if they click (like many times we've wondered this season). Town are very much a WIP or Jekyll & Hyde team. We never really know which team will turn up. Could easily be 4 - 0 savages, 0 - 3 disgraces or no desire nil-nillers!

Heart (not Paul) says 3 - 0
Head (not Burt) says 0 - 0 / 1 - 1


Result: Draw
Att: 10, 492
Ian booked

Paul Gallagher (Richie's mate not the forgotten Oasis lad) in attendance today, causing raptures in the Arkells Stand and sparking rumours of Towns next new manager.
Wellens praises Town fan turnout of 10k+ (narcissistically thinking it's because he has returned) and will refer to his legendary season, wishing that the crowds could have been there for his defining season as a manager.
No one talks about the ref as he manages to fall asleep next to JJW in what ends up being the type of match you'd see between two teams out of reach and thinking of next season/an Abu Dhabi apartment.

I hope the latter part is about as untrue as the first part.

Verdict: Talking of Oases, I reckon this one will be a damp squib!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: pantomime dame on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:15:44
No Mckirdy, 1 0 to Orient.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:17:15
Result: Draw
Att: 10, 492
Ian booked
For shirt pulling I presume!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:19:38
I guess McKirdy will be back next game now the Chelsea games are out the way.
Should be good till the play offs should we get there.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:20:14
For shirt pulling I presume!

The ref will certainly "dolo" a booking out for that today :)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:26:06
The ref will certainly "dolo" a booking out for that today :)
Thats worthy of a booking!

 :cheese:


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:34:14
Team as expected for me.  Baudry was never going to play 2 games this weekend, McKirdy was never going to be ready for this game (irrelevant of the noises being made in the press calls) and he would have been foolish to drop Egbo back to RB after the impact he had on Friday, so bringing Odimayo in was the sensible option.

Winning this game will come down to one thing, will Davison and Barry have their good shooting boots on today or not - time will tell


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:34:56
Thats worthy of a booking!

 :cheese:

Used to love a bit of Trevor! Only received one in my "career". Had more yellow cards in real life than on the pitch!

Are you getting chance to make the trip again to Town before the season is out mate?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:38:12
Are you getting chance to make the trip again to Town before the season is out mate?
With my own health and my wifes too its unlikely mate, but never say never!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:38:50
Team as expected for me.  Baudry was never going to play 2 games this weekend, McKirdy was never going to be ready for this game (irrelevant of the noises being made in the press calls) and he would have been foolish to drop Egbo back to RB after the impact he had on Friday, so bringing Odimayo in was the sensible option.

Winning this game will come down to one thing, will Davison and Barry have their good shooting boots on today or not - time will tell
100% mate.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:43:25
Wife not happy. Patio half cleaned. Crap everywhere. Bloody window cleaner turned up! I'm watching the footie!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:45:52
Wife not happy. Patio half cleaned. Crap everywhere. Bloody window cleaner turned up! I'm watching the footie!

Gold! Love how no matter what anyone is doing, when it comes to sport (and esp. traditional footy kick off times) the usual protest of  "yeah, I'll look at it at about 5pm ish!" *slurps beer and grins*


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:47:09
With my own health and my wifes too its unlikely mate, but never say never!

Sorry to hear that mate but I hope you do man. Will drop you a FB message later on if I remember ;)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:47:18
Egbo great low cross just misses everybody in the box.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:48:19
Tomlinson tries a shot from distance but its an easy save.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:49:17
Sam Alison referee from Trowbridge?  Had a decent game last time he was here if I remember right..


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:49:29
Corner to the O's.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:49:37
Port Vale 1-0 Rovers


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:49:52
Easy claim by Jojo.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:49:56
Watching on a stream. I'm colour blind so no hope of telling the teams apart... this could be fun


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:51:06
Sam Alison referee from Trowbridge?  Had a decent game last time he was here if I remember right..
He has only reffed us once that I can find, the JPT 3-1 win away at Plymuff.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:51:28
Watching on a stream. I'm colour blind so no hope of telling the teams apart... this could be fun
Swindon are in the light grey :D


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:51:39
There is some really good hustle from the players right now.  I like the urgency


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:51:53
He has only reffed us once that I can find, the JPT 3-1 win away at Plymuff.

I am sure I remember his reffing a game at the CG earlier this season


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:52:27
Watching on a stream. I'm colour blind so no hope of telling the teams apart... this could be fun
We're in red - Same colour as the grass! 😂


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:52:30
FGR 1-0 Oldham


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:53:05
Davison easily barged off the ball, no foul.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:54:22
I am sure I remember his reffing a game at the CG earlier this season

Yep the web site I checked was wrong, he reffed the Northampton win too.



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:55:16
Did Wellens get any applause when he came out?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:55:29
Yep the web site I checked was wrong, he reffed the Northampton win too.



I wasn't going mad then :D


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:55:53
Oh dear. We can't keep the ball at the mo.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:55:54
FFS Conroy not again.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:56:10
Eesh that was nearly a disaster


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:56:11
Did Wellens get any applause when he came out?

Only for his bright white tracksuit top


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:56:17
I wasn't going mad then :D
It would be wrong to agree or disagree....


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:57:13
Port Vale 1-1 Rovers


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:57:16
Payne clean thro but hes tackled in the box, corner to Town, after a lovely long ball from JOB and from Barry.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:57:40
Wild shot from Reed clears the clock.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:57:44
Nearly Louis, nearly.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:57:50
It would be wrong to agree or disagree....

Good point :D


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:57:53
Payne clean thro but hes tackled in the box, corner to Town, after a lovely long ball from JOB and from Barry.
Should have done better


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 13:59:33
Wild long pass from JOB straight into touch for a goal kick.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:00:02
Christ I think there must be a rule there has to be so many passes before they can just send the ball into the box.   They fuck with it and allow the other teams defense to get set up.  


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:00:26
Poor long pass from Dolo straight into touch over AKs head.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:01:19
Ogie has Davison in his pocket so far.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:01:48
We seem to have days when we hoof it well wide of eachother. Also, days when players don't seem on the same wavelength wrt movement.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:03:29
Conroy heads the ball out into touch with a heavy header to Tomlinson.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:04:11
Davison felled in the middle, booking for the defender.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:04:27
Davison felled in the middle, booking for the defender.

Tactical foul 101 that one.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:04:33
Not in this at all yet.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:05:39
Iandolo fouls their player just outside out box, dangerous position.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:06:21
0-1


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:06:26
0-1


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:06:42
More invisible marking.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:06:48
Static defending


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:07:02
Same old Swindon…


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:07:06
Will have to watch that again but we seemed to have no defenders in shot there.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:07:13
I called the goal. We can't defend those.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:07:25
Iandolo shouldnt have given away that free kick, Conroy should have been closer to his man and Jojo was nowhere the cross.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:07:54
Who needs defenders when we can pass it around a bit.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:08:04
Bummer


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:08:10
I’m afraid it looks like it should have been Conroy on the scorer.  ::)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:08:12
Were we trying to play offside? Just seemed to all stop and watch.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:08:18
Can somebody tell the Orient commentator that he doesn't need to shout..


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:08:49
Awful.

Guess the jet washing will get done sooner rather than later!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:08:55
Salford 1-0 Barrow


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:03
I’m afraid it looks like it should have been Conroy on the scorer.  ::)

DoB incoming…


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:09
Woolacotts fault again


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:13
Orient down to 10


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:19
Red card


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:31
Red card for them.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:42
What a fucking idiot. Tactical foul when on a yellow.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:43
More space to pass it around at the back. Fuck Yeah.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:45
What a complete dick that boy is.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:09:52
What an absolute muppet


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:10:07
Hopefully STFC will bring in a couple of decent CBs on permanent deals.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:10:17
That's just dumb as fuck. No argument with the yellow but there was no need.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:10:24
Tbh.   Not sure town can take advantage


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:10:26
Whatever you say about Conroy,that was shit awareness. He is a liability I'm afraid


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:11:44
A gift. Now we need to take advantage.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:11:56
Whatever you say about Conroy,that was shit awareness. He is a liability I'm afraid
As I said earlier, 3 errors, 1st Iandolo for conceding a needless foul under little pressure, then Conroy for marking and then Jojo for not claiming it.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:12:17
TBF their player was playing quite well before the sending off.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:12:21
Woolacotts fault again
That's what I thought


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:12:33
What’s our record like against teams with 10 men? I can remember Colchester which wasn’t great


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:12:47
Awful long pass from Reed, come on Town play smarter.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:13:09
Whatever you say about Conroy,that was shit awareness. He is a liability I'm afraid

Followed immediately by playing the ball out for a corner. He’s not started well.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:13:33
Awful long pass from Reed, come on Town play smarter.

We've tried a few of those, getting in behind the full backs is clearly the plan. Not worked since Egbo in the first 30 seconds but expect to see more of it.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:14:07
They are going to compact now.  Players are going to have to play fast and god forbid try to break down their defense 1v1 sometimes


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:14:34
Based on the comments on here, anyone would have thought we have never conceded a goal before..


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:15:51
Cobblers 1-0 Harrogate


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:18:28
Rovers 2-1 up


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:19:51
Orient have got the master time waster in goal, he is going to wind everyone up today


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:20:10
As I said earlier, 3 errors, 1st Iandolo for conceding a needless foul under little pressure, then Conroy for marking and then Jojo for not claiming it.
Yes 3 errors but Conroy's the most unforgivable. Not marking your man


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:21:17
What’s our record like against teams with 10 men? I can remember Colchester which wasn’t great
Bristol Rover 3-1 win, Port Vale 3-1 win, Colchester 1-1 draw, Oldham 1-0 win.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:21:56
Ref is gonna even it up now!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:22:00
Fucking handbags - get on with it ya bunch of pussies


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:22:54
Pratley shut your fucking mouth you knob.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:23:32
Yellow for Barry and Pratley and JOB and Ogie and archibald!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:24:22
And YOU get a yellow!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:24:42
And Wellens!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:25:01
Fuck me, do you get anything for a pair in this game


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:25:36
Well that was literally five minutes of refereeing. Look forward to one minute of injury time.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:25:43
Get the fuck on with the game


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:25:58
Can’t fault the referring so far in fairness.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:26:13
The Ref was won the Top trumps!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:26:36
Can’t fault the referring so far in fairness.
Orient are making it difficult for him!

I can see a fine for failing to control the players (and manager) coming for Orient!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:27:36
Low cross from Egbo too near to the keeper.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:27:40
If Orient are going to try and play it like this for an hour, they’re going to have to take turns at time wasting.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:27:42
Tranmere 1-0 Exeter


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:27:47
Tranmere 1 up v Exeter


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:28:40
Orient looking more like the side chasing a play off spot, with ten men.  :doh:


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:28:49
I would like to see Williams on sooner than later.   Need his leadership


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:28:57
I'm sorry, but that was silly Mr Davison!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:29:47
I would like to see Williams on sooner than later.   Need his leadership
Not sure about leadership, but dribbling and running, yes


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:30:29
I have been disappointed on davisons progress.  He just hasn’t grown much as the season has gone on


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:30:34
AK has looked a bit off the pace so far and not match ready, his touch has let him down a few times in good positions.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:31:23
Not sure about leadership, but dribbling and running, yes

I guess I don’t know that either but I do know this is the season so get the best players on the pitch now


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:31:24
Poor left foot cross from Egbo there.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:31:35
7 mins added.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:31:37
How many times has Duke told us Conroy is one of our only players able to pass the ball.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:31:52
Time for Reed now


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:32:03
Terrible game. People wonder why the atmosphere is flat.
Stupidly expected more.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:32:05
Sutton 1-0 Newport


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:32:13
Payne fouled on the wing.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:32:20
+7 mins sounds mean to me.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:32:24
I guess I don’t know that either but I do know this is the season so get the best players on the pitch now
I suspect it will be the 60th min for Egbo


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:33:13
Vigs miles from the FK but we cant geta  head onto it.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:33:47
+7 mins sounds mean to me.
We did have a very long stoppage, seemed longer.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:33:50
How many times has Duke told us Conroy is one of our only players able to pass the ball.
I'd willingly sacrifice that for the ability to defend to be honest


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:34:00
Barry shot deflected wide for a corner.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:34:45
We are not really at the races today so far.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:35:28
We are not really at the races today so far.
Nope. Can't think of anyone who I would say has played well


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:35:46
I'd willingly sacrifice that for the ability to defend to be honest

My point was his passing today has been fucking hopeless.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:35:57
40 yard shot from Town just over the bar.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:36:41
My point was his passing today has been fucking hopeless.
As has OBrien and Reed and Iandolo and Egbo and Odimayo.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:37:07
Nope. Can't think of anyone who I would say has played well

Tomlinson's been alright. And Payne. Attack v defence now so going to be a very different game.

We keep trying these big diagonals and they're not working just yet.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:37:23
Piss poor from a team supposedly chasing a PO spot


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:37:44
Payne has been missing things he normally does very well, we need to buck our ideas up 2nd half.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:38:07
Egbo’s been the biggest source of danger for us.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:38:12
Tomlinson's been alright. And Payne. Attack v defence now so going to be a very different game.

I think its Paynes poorest game so far TBH.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:38:50
HT 0-1


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:39:39
I think its Paynes poorest game so far TBH.
Not sure, but only because he has had a few recently!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:40:11
HT 0-1
Wouldn't bet against that at full time either


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:40:42
Well, we've not been good but the Orient lad getting a dumb red card has handed us a lifeboat. Need a second half performance like we put in plenty in the first half of the season - lots of those were inspired by Williams coming off the bench and changing the tempo so fingers crossed.

On another note, I'm sure I should know - who is the guy in the Papa John's ad that looks like Robbie Savage's meth addict uncle?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:40:53
Egbo’s been the biggest source of danger for us.
Danger might be too strong a word to be honest. If only he'd try and go past the full back once in a while


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:42:15
Well, we've not been good but the Orient lad getting a dumb red card has handed us a lifeboat. Need a second half performance like we put in plenty in the first half of the season - lots of those were inspired by Williams coming off the bench and changing the tempo so fingers crossed.

On another note, I'm sure I should know - who is the guy in the Papa John's ad that looks like Robbie Savage's meth addict uncle?
Bullard


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:42:21
Can't see us scoring at all


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:42:33
A video could be made of our efforts for the past 20 minutes on how not to play against 10 men.

Can someone please tell Reed to fuck off and leave the central defenders alone when we have the ball.  Nobody is going to pressure them so one is always free to pass to if needed.  Reed getting in between them is just allowing Orient to set up their lines.

Also, can someone else tell Davison to fuck off from dropping back towards our defenders.  For fucks sake.  A central striker in a game where the other team are a man down and he has consistently dropped deep.  At least twice that led to us attacking, crossing, and nobody being in the fucking middle while he trots forward to try and get back into position.

The wide ball is on, get Reed further forwards and either pull players central to him with the pass, or move wide quickly.

Grrrr.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:43:02
Bullard


Christ he's not aged well. Cheers


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:44:38
A video could be made of our efforts for the past 20 minutes on how not to play against 10 men.

Can someone please tell Reed to fuck off and leave the central defenders alone when we have the ball.  Nobody is going to pressure them so one is always free to pass to if needed.  Reed getting in between them is just allowing Orient to set up their lines.

Also, can someone else tell Davison to fuck off from dropping back towards our defenders.  For fucks sake.  A central striker in a game where the other team are a man down and he has consistently dropped deep.  At least twice that led to us attacking, crossing, and nobody being in the fucking middle while he trots forward to try and get back into position.

The wide ball is on, get Reed further forwards and either pull players central to him with the pass, or move wide quickly.

Grrrr.

Completely agree on Davison.  For the past few games nowhere to be seen in the mouth of the goal.  For fucks sake that is a strikers job and since he has shit touch he has no business getting involved in the build up.  Just camp out and wait for that ball to come across


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:45:36
Playing against 10, I'd get another striker on and play 4-2-4. FFS we have nothing to lose


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:45:56
Williams' arrival is urgent.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:47:13
The Orient coaching staff need to get some bibs on.

Williams is a key to unlocking this.
Needs to appear very soon.

Not convinced that the Town End are up for sucking the ball into the net a couple of times in 2nd half.
This is the season here, so pull yer fingers out.

The team, please don't succumb to timidity in the 2nd half.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:47:15
Gladwin, Williams, Aguilar, Parsons and Cowmeadow as options on the bench.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:48:21
sigh

shit goal to concede, Jojo fuck up, shit defending with a shit foul to start it off.

before that the midfield was lopsided and needed an extra man in there. But then we'd lose an attacker and never score.

egbo needs to take on his man from time to time but has put in a couple of good crosses

no real urgency, which I guess there's a fine line between that and panic

Conroy back to Hollywood pass Conroy. convinced he and O'Brien can not play together

give it to 60, go 3 at the back and put Williams on. I see to god if he goes with gladwin ...


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:48:43
If Reed is going to insist on dropping deep, I'd be inclined to have Williams on for Conroy.  Let Williams or Payne go roaming.  Risky, but having three players sat back behind their 10 is not going to unlock them.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:48:43
Can't see us scoring at all
Unfortunately I agree.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:50:06
Rob : re Davison. he's doing that because there isn't a nucleus midfield player where Reed should be  (as you pointed out)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:52:11
Davison should just have the instinct to stay the fuck up top.  It's not his worry and he should know that if he wants to be a professional striker at a level like this for much longer.  He has no business being there.  Shout at others if you need to but do YOUR job.  He really grates me I'm afraid.  Far too often he is anywhere but where we need that player to be.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:54:37
Williams on for Tomlinson


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:55:30
Att: 10,264 (361)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:56:22
Williams on for Tomlinson

Is tomilson hurt?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:56:55
We have gone 3 at the back now.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:57:03
Is tomilson hurt?
Nope.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:58:47
Williams essentially going to play quarterback this half you feel, calling plays and looking for gaps.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:58:58
Nope.

I know I am the dumb ass American but I don’t take one of my better players of the field.  There are others that could have come off and adjust from there.  


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:59:13
We have gone 3 at the back now.
Or even 2 at the back with Iandolo wode left and AK wide right pushed up.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:59:43
Carlisle 1-0 Mansfield


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 14:59:48
Dive by the O's striker, should have been a booking.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:01:05
I know I am the dumb ass American but I don’t take one of my better players of the field.  There are others that could have come off and adjust from there. 
For me I agree, I would keep Tomlinson on for Conroy, Tomlinson always looks like he can create something from nothing. Hes been quiet since his injury though.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:01:08
Dive by the O's striker, should have been a booking.

Not how Hawes saw it.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:02:04
Not how Hawes saw it.
Nor me. Think I might have given that


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:02:19
Not how Hawes saw it.

Hawes is wrong, and only sees it once.  The attacker ran into O'Brien and then threw himself to the ground


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:02:48
Orient wasting time already.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:03:34
0-2


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:03:41
We are shit. Beaten at home by a 10 man crap mid table side.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:03:48
Ah for crying out loud.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:03:50
Fuck sake

Already on our summer holidays.
This needs a Rory Fallon away at Port Vale.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:03:52
Game over.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: swindon74 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:03:55
Season over.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Shizzle on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:04:09
Embarrassing


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:04:39
Patio beckons


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:04:44
Season over.
It would appear to be this.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:05:11
Paddy O'beckons
TBF he would be a better option up front than Davison today.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: swindon74 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:05:24
That come from Jojo not claiming that ball into the box! Why’s he not coming for that!!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:05:42
Cobblers 2-0 Harrogate


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:06:15
2 more seasons of this shit I fear


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:06:44
Crowd could really turn here if we don't at least have a good go at this.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:06:49
Can’t defend balls in the box once more


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: newmarket red on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:07:29
With garrner at the helm next season whats going to change. :suicide: but at least we have a club. :)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:07:32
Can’t defend balls in the box once more

We just defended a ball into their box quite well...


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:07:40
Anyone wanting a Walsall ticket have a good chance now


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:08:02
We just defended a ball into their box quite well...
Yeah Conroy did well to clear it :D


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:08:31
With garrner at the helm next season whats going to change. :suicide: but at least we have a club. :)

Possibly get a little better level of players moving forward.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:08:47
Parsons on for AK.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:08:54
Yeah Conroy did well to clear it :D

Makes a change


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:09:20
Cobblers 3-0 Harrogate


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: cdakev on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:09:59
They want it more than us, they have a better manager than us, someone who can change things, motivate a team.
Think we need to reconsider the head coach for next season


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:09:59
That come from Jojo not claiming that ball into the box! Why’s he not coming for that!!

At fault for both goals. Whole team has been crap though.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:10:21
Makes a change
If only he could do it in OUR box when defending.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Outletred on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:10:28
Garners tactics at home are just shocking.

7 wins in 21, cannot defend set pieces and has shown no idea of how to turn the home form around.

Sorry but this guy is not going to get us promoted-  not this season, not next season or the season after


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Processed Beats on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:10:34
Spineless cunts. Garner out.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:11:15
Salford 1-1 Barrow


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:11:29
That come from Jojo not claiming that ball into the box! Why’s he not coming for that!!
Hes not been anywhere near as good since he qualified for the WC Finals, like his head is not in the game.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:12:18
Hes not been anywhere near as good since he qualified for the WC Finals, like his head is not in the game.

He seems scared to get hit so never goes for dangerous balls.   


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:13:09
If only he could do it in OUR box when defending.

DoB has a list on his bedroom wall.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:14:13
DoB has a list on his bedroom wall.

Has DoB been shagging your Mrs on the side?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:14:17
 :soapy tit wank:

Absolute joke.

Still habe my doubts as to whether the board wanted promotion this season as the party line was always a negative one.

Season done for me. Club's played a short term PR blinder with mugging fans off in regards to tickets via guilt tripping and using the Trust as a crutch to pull at heart string so people part with their hard earned.

The board have to ask themselves; in the modern era of football, would they be able to afford to run and finance a club WITHOUT the fans?

That may sound silly but if they are pleading poverty with fucking 10k - 11k crowds then what if that dropped to a, gate of around 7k to 8k as has been seen realisitically when a side isn't playing well. They need to treat their funding strategy as if there were no fans (or at least say 5k fans) and then factor the rest in as a bonus figure. Right now these figures and fans numbers are higher than projected.

I can't see that the appetite for L2 football again next season is going to entice many fringe fans, not unless there is some serious sign of intent from the board. I can't see that coming. I'll say it again. I think this board are quite happy for the club to stay in L2 for the foreseeable - regardless of what the party line is from the STFC board or now club mouthpiece/PR spinners The Trust say.

See ya next season. Fuckstickshitwankgrrrr!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:14:56
Well done lads, spineless shit bollocks. Thanks for that.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:15:27
Garner has done enough under the circumstances to earn/deserve another crack at a rebuild in the summer and the start of next season.

If the personnel changes but the tactics/game plan does not change at all and/or have a plan b - then we need to get him out and someone else in by November to give them a chance to assess and the January window



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:15:53
Has DoB been shagging your Mrs on the side?

He only has eyes for Conroy


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:17:06
We are only lacking in 2 things.

Defending and scoring goals. The rest of it we are fine at.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:17:44
No movement up top or in midfield at the moment.  When the backline or Reed have it at the back, there is absolutely nothing happening in front of them to give them an option..


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: newmarket red on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:18:00
He only has eyes for Conroy
conroy is a  bloody menace first one to go in my opinion and baudry kick them out. :crash:


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:18:18
Garner has had all season to sort out our shocking home form. He hasn't. Not a fan.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:18:31
We are only lacking in 2 things.

Defending and scoring goals. The rest of it we are fine at.
Midfield leave a bit to be desired too!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:18:59
No movement up top or in midfield at the moment.  When the backline or Reed have it at the back, there is absolutely nothing happening in front of them to give them an option..

I agree.  But I have noticed when they do move nobody is willing to take a chance and send it to them.  Possession is the primary concern.  Which is fine when you are not down 2 goals


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:19:43
I don’t know if I want Garner to go or stay, but his inability to change our home form is a massive concern.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:19:48
No movement up top or in midfield at the moment.  When the backline or Reed have it at the back, there is absolutely nothing happening in front of them to give them an option..

If I was Conroy or O'Brien I'd have lost my shit with Reed a while back.  Against 10 he has no business coming back between them, constantly.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:20:44
It's this fucking diagonal that's pissing me off. We need movement, quick passing, running and dribbling!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:20:44
Garner is not going anywhere, whether you agree or not


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:20:59
Aguiar on for Egbo.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:21:10
No movement up top or in midfield at the moment.  When the backline or Reed have it at the back, there is absolutely nothing happening in front of them to give them an option..

I’m not sure we’d be brave enough to use forward runners - even if we had any…


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:21:54
If I was Conroy or O'Brien I'd have lost my shit with Reed a while back.  Against 10 he has no business coming back between them, constantly.

…but that’s all Reed can do…


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:22:22
Why do we have so many players that can’t last 90 minutes


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:23:02
Conroy is an absolute cunt I'm sorry

no doubt he'll be liking a montage of some of his hollywood passes later on twitter, despite the fact that he can't defend or organise his defence.

Fucking shambles.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:23:05
Why do we have so many players that can’t last 90 minutes

I have wondered that as well


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:23:09
This is absolutely shocking


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:23:10
I don’t know if I want Garner to go or stay, but his inability to change our home form is a massive concern.

Exactly.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:23:50
I'll do Walsall away but that's the season over for me.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:24:13
71% possession though, fuck yeah


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:24:59
For me I would have brought on Cowmeadow for some game time not Aguiar, see what the lad has got, we arent going to get anything from todays game now so why not give him a go down the wing.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:25:53
71% possession though, fuck yeah
Been back in the pub 20 minutes, seasons over.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:26:25
Hmm. That’s how a keeper goes and gets the balll


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:27:00
1-2


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:27:13
How many Orient players would need to get sent off before we become a threat?

Genuinely don't think we'd beat them if they had 9.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:27:23
1-2 Davison.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: newmarket red on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:27:59
Too late :crash:


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:28:01
Really nice combination of Reed and Williams there. Let's fucking go.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:28:38
First time we have tried to run through them


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:28:44
Salford 1-2 Barrow


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Godd002 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:28:50
There will be a bunch of discussion about gardner but to be fair.  He is coaching a team where 50% of the players don’t really belong on the pitch and he has had to build a team twice now with those type of players.   He has been coaching a team without a striker at all since mckirdy went down.  His best players for the most part are young loaner players.  

Not sure what he can really do


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:29:07
I'll do Walsall away but that's the season over for me.

It will be, last game 😉😁


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:29:19
Really nice combination of Reed and Williams there. Let's fucking go.

Almost for the first time in the game we have Reed and Payne central and near the forwards and Davison in the middle.  It's not rocket science.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:29:41
Dont fucking dive Iandolo FFS.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:30:23
Not getting the ball back off our own fans is a new one for me.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:30:48
Williams cross for Barry but he cant get to it, corner to Town.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:32:15
Sadly for us there will be a number of teams above us breathing a huge sigh of relief that they will not have to face us in the playoffs.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:32:24
Another chance for Town, Orient player goes down wasting time.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:32:32
There is going to be a LO injury at the end of every phase now


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Outletred on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:33:02
There will be a bunch of discussion about gardner but to be fair.  He is coaching a team where 50% of the players don’t really belong on the pitch and he has had to build a team twice now with those type of players.   He has been coaching a team without a striker at all since mckirdy went down.  His best players for the most part are young loaner players.  

Not sure what he can really do

Try showing some game management skills would be a start


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:33:33
Salford 2-2 Barrow


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:34:02
Garner has done enough under the circumstances to earn/deserve another crack at a rebuild in the summer and the start of next season.

If the personnel changes but the tactics/game plan does not change at all and/or have a plan b - then we need to get him out and someone else in by November to give them a chance to assess and the January window



If the Modus Operandi is just to stay in L2 for the foreseeable then they won't get rid. The club will spout some bollocks about continued restructuring. They chose the perfect CEO in Rob Angus an ex Banking Professional to reel out the lines of elongated corporate PR bollocks that even puts me to shame  :D Glorified bloody loan agent in my eyes with a gift of the gab no doubt.

Yep and they should read this, fans will be angry as currently there are more questions than there are answers. IF they show intent for next season being a true promotion push and not a watered down attempt in order to push the marketing campaign to get more money in (yet no real interest in getting promoted) then maybe that'll change.

It's fucking frustrating becasue with the absolute shite in this division, Town could quite easily have got automatic promotion - maybe even as Champs. I still think the actual club strategy was to NOT obtain promotion. Because they currently don't have the money to finance a club in L1. No matter how many fans turn up. Clem's talks of establishing a Championship club is mere pipedreams from the same copybook as the former incumbant Tony Tucker.

This club (definitively the club's strong of owners) is really starting to boil my piss! Ahh fuck it. Beer O'clock!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:35:21
Davison header wide from 15 yards.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:38:38
Williams fouled near the corner flag.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:39:01
Williams is the only player who has put a shift in today.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:39:12
Williams is going to coast the MotM vote here.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:39:54
Shit FK from Payne well wide.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:40:23
6 mins added.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:40:36
Six minutes could be sixteen frankly.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:44:58
Far too little, far too late.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:44:59
I don't think I'm much of a misery but this hasn't been very good.

Garnerball works well away but we really need a different plan or at least a few more options at home against defensive sides. We're just too easy to nullify.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: newmarket red on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:46:25
Season over


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:46:29
FT 1-2


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:48:02
Garners inability to turn around our home form has cost us.
Ah well, at least we had most possession. Top of the table for that.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:49:50
Got what we deserved.

Williams MotM for Town with a 6/10 performance, which says alot about the rest of the team


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:50:23
If the Modus Operandi is just to stay in L2 for the foreseeable then they won't get rid. The club will spout some bollocks about continued restructuring. They chose the perfect CEO in Rob Angus an ex Banking Professional to reel out the lines of elongated corporate PR bollocks that even puts me to shame  :D Glorified bloody loan agent in my eyes with a gift of the gab no doubt.

Yep and they should read this, fans will be angry as currently there are more questions than there are answers. IF they show intent for next season being a true promotion push and not a watered down attempt in order to push the marketing campaign to get more money in (yet no real interest in getting promoted) then maybe that'll change.

It's fucking frustrating becasue with the absolute shite in this division, Town could quite easily have got automatic promotion - maybe even as Champs. I still think the actual club strategy was to NOT obtain promotion. Because they currently don't have the money to finance a club in L1. No matter how many fans turn up. Clem's talks of establishing a Championship club is mere pipedreams from the same copybook as the former incumbant Tony Tucker.

This club (definitively the club's strong of owners) is really starting to boil my piss! Ahh fuck it. Beer O'clock!

Difficult to know where to start with this rubbish! There is very little evidence to support your view, and a significant amount to refute it. They must be livid with Davison scoring 8 in 17 on loan. They should have got one of those 0 in 17 strikers! I think the plan, rather than not progress (your view of what’s happening) is conditional progression (do as well as we can within our means, ie, break the insolvency cycle). And Rob Angus and Morfuni deserve more credit and respect than that…



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:51:10
Unfortunately we look every bit a combination of a team with too diverse a talent pool and lacking in anything close to street smarts.  Both of those can and should be fixed given the foundation crowds of 10k plus should have provided for a club at this level.  All season long Garner has felt to me like he is still running an Academy, where the success criteria is just so vastly different.  He is probably a fair enough choice given the limitations we had going into the season, but he has to show something different and sharpish over the summer.  On top of that, a lot of goodwill will evaporate if investment isn't forthcoming in the squad.  Not crazy spending, but we can't hope to be successful if we have 5 or 6 payers like Aguiar in the first team squad (not picking on him, just using him as an example of the gap between our playing ability across the squad).


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:53:46
How many will renew STs after witnessing an entire season of shite home performances?

If Garner can’t fashion a system that works at home after 20 odd games there’s no reason to think he will next season.

Losing, hopefully not lost, a whole heap of goodwill.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:54:52
Unfortunately we look every bit a combination of a team with too diverse a talent pool and lacking in anything close to street smarts.  Both of those can and should be fixed given the foundation crowds of 10k plus should have provided for a club at this level.  All season long Garner has felt to me like he is still running an Academy, where the success criteria is just so vastly different.  He is probably a fair enough choice given the limitations we had going into the season, but he has to show something different and sharpish over the summer.  On top of that, a lot of goodwill will evaporate if investment isn't forthcoming in the squad.  Not crazy spending, but we can't hope to be successful if we have 5 or 6 payers like Aguiar in the first team squad (not picking on him, just using him as an example of the gap between our playing ability across the squad).

Garner himself definitely needs to show progression
Keep doing the same things. Keep getting the same results - which at this level isn’t good enough.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 1989Monkey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:55:57
Positive - we can just enjoy the final games with no stress!

If they spout rubbish about being under an embargo then I want answers from the club. It was mentioned in the court case that Clem would pay back the loan to remove us from the embargo if/when he took over. Now I understand it was interest free but they can’t then spout that as an excuse this season.

Poorest league 2 in a while and yet we are as mid-table as it comes. Players and manager clue less. 15mins into the game today I questioned whether any of our players could execute a cross field ball. Yet we persisted all game just to hit them out of play.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:55:58
How many will renew STs after witnessing an entire season of shite home performances?

If Garner can’t fashion a system that works at home after 20 odd games there’s no reason to think he will next season.

Losing, hopefully not lost, a whole heap of goodwill.

Exactly, the best shooting we seem to be doing is ourselves in the foot. Fucks sake.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:56:09
No urgency til JW entered the fray. Although some may defend him Conroy was awful today in everything he did. You simply cannot let your man go free on a set piece regardless of the stupidity of the free kick or the keeper not coming. A less than free header may well have been saved. As a captain his performance is indefensible in my opinion. Parsons, from what I've seen looks like a startled deer. Aguiar is nowhere near strong enough and even stalwarts like Reed and Payne were poor today. Only Davison,Williams and Iandolo looked to have the necessary work ethic today for me.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:57:38
Williams the only player today to be deserving of the shirt.



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 15:59:46
Really hope we don’t get the usual Garner post match bollocks.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: pantomime dame on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:00:24
I'm not a fan of Garnerball. It's Luke Williams all over again.if possession and pass completion was the be all and end all ,this dogshit today would be fine but I've not been to an away game all season and I can't see what all the fuss is about. I can't see why people have been banging on about promotion. I've seen precious little quality, passion or style.
Barrow is my last game. I was swept up with the hype of Power being swept aside but the reality of dross football lacking any kind of passion killing any kind atmosphere at the C G is to painful to watch.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:01:01
Really hope we don’t get the usual Garner post match bollocks.

Lads did well
Possession
Should have had a penalty 
Blah blah blah
Blah


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:04:19
Didn’t bother to travel down today, decided to give it (& FGR) a miss after the complete shambles of a second half against Newport, and it sounds like that was the right call.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:04:49
What was this "penalty" we should have had?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:08:00
bollocks performance. utter wank.

season over


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Outletred on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:10:04
Well Clem and Angus you wanted 10k home fans now you have them.

If you want them to come back next season then do something about the home form.

It’s been awful this year 7 wins in 21 ain’t good enough.

Garner clueless tactically and at game management or no plan B

Proper manager please in the summer


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:10:28
Garner:
- Shots and chances: There were enought to win the game
- The other end was the problem. Poor first goal and the second....You just can't do that!
- Penalty on Iandolo should have been 2-2
- Got what we deserved
- Incredible amount of detail to try to stop those sort of goals
- If you are not going to defend set pieces properly you are going to lose games in this league
- Baudry has done well, but didnt want to risk him.
- Tomlinson picked up a knee injury today
- Ended first half well
- Got to push ourselves harder and add intensity to our game
- If we hadnt conceded the second we would have gone on to win the game
- We have lost too many points at home
- We have 4 games left and have to win them all
- Its all mental intensity. Speed of the ball and speed of our pay
- Brilliant goal. Should have done that more
- Wanted to have full backs wide and 3 in the middle. Just about picking out the right ball
- Garner tried to get Barry out of the way so that the ref didnt even things up
- Standards dont have to go up much. We should have won today. We should have beaten Newport. We should have won at Rochdale
- We have to tighten up in the box
- McKirdy trained for the first time yesterday. Wasnt that intense. He will be in full training this week
- Hunt not as bad as first feared, but will be out the rest of the season
- Dressing room: Very disappointed. They want to do well. We just arent taking that next step.
- There are 12 points to play for and 12 points would get us into the play offs.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:11:47
What shots and chances? Can't  be arsed to read past that.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:12:05
Oh, just fuck off Garner


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: pantomime dame on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:15:55
Well, if the game lacked entertainment value, then you've got to give it to Garner, he sure is funny


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:16:01
What a sorry end to what was a promising season. Shame as we had the potential to take 3600 to Walsall with something to play for.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:16:12
I honestly dont remember the Iandolo "penalty incident". Anyone?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:18:12
Difficult to know where to start with this rubbish! There is very little evidence to support your view, and a significant amount to refute it. They must be livid with Davison scoring 8 in 17 on loan. They should have got one of those 0 in 17 strikers! I think the plan, rather than not progress (your view of what’s happening) is conditional progression (do as well as we can within our means, ie, break the insolvency cycle). And Rob Angus and Morfuni deserve more credit and respect than that…



Please note my uses of the word "if" once with capital influence and currently this club does not have the finances to compete in L1, there's no difficulty in establishing that - simply because they don't have the finances to compete at the important end of a very shit L2.

Yet crowds have done their part and stull turned out to that fucking shite! Also been guilt tripped into deferring ST payments (the club hardly fucking acknowledged the impact of the pandemic upon the customer just how much it was hitting them). Its been a season of spin. I'll give the clib that, they've been good at that. Not sure everyone will want to be continually mugged of though, season upon season.

Like I said, there are more questions than answers. I might hit the more extreme end of issues but consider that within that, there is some that just saying it how it is and not ignoring the elephant in the room.

Davison could score 20 but if it doesn't result in promotion then no cunt will remember it "oh remember the 21/22 season when that loan kid scored 10 goals and we didn't get promoted?" get to fuck man lolz!

Steve Hale can buggar off defending the 10 men theory too. If they can't beat a 10 man team that has fuck all to play for then they don't deserve promotion.

Garner fuck off too with his usual bollocks post-match "should've had a penalty that makes it 2-2" the guy talks in fucking hypotheticals rather than focussing on what actually happened. He's an academy coach. A good academy coach but he's no manager. Oh and for about the 42nd time this season. Conroy is not a captain unless your goal is purely to stay in L2 and nothing else.

At least McGirty is back from his annual leave in West London so there are some personal positives.

STFC as it stands is becoming a sterile development club. Welcome to modern pro football.


I bet Hodgetts is creaming his undercrackers tonight. Straight on the blower to Lucerne Lee no doubt. Is he like a Rovers fan or something?! He appears to revel in announcing when Town have lost yet when they win he's quick to move onto the next news item like what's going on in the wider world of sport. It's a weird one for local radio. I get BBC "impartially" but the contrast from himself and Hawes is glaring.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:18:20
Quote from: adje
I honestly dont remember the Iandolo "penalty incident". Anyone?

yes. he ran into a defender and fell over with the force. 100% not a penalty


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 1989Monkey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:18:31
I honestly dont remember the Iandolo "penalty incident". Anyone?

He’d have had to got into the penalty area first! Genuinely can’t even remember a fan shout for a pen today let alone an actual penalty shout


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:19:16
It's post game comments like these that convince me he won't have a long and distinguished career managing teams, but more likely go back to senior Academy positions (and likely do well for himself).  He doesn't see the game through the right lens.  He is always looking at the process and not the result - have I seen something my players have learned or that I can coach them on, not the pure hard nosed we were up against 10 and you have to win that.  Fans do not give a shit if we looked good over the past 5 games if you only get a single win.  It just doesn't seem to be in his instincts - take today, far too late he did something different and must have asked O'Brien to go forwards.  Problem was that we didn't change how we were playing and Reed still faffed about with Conroy.  It gives away the fact they can't be working on alternative ways of playing.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RedRag on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:24:27
Blame who you like, I've been sat in the Arkells listening to a fuc king moany "get it forward " expert behind me.

Plenty of righteous criticism of Garnerball today but our support has been right on the backs of the defenders/midfielders as soon as they don't immediately hit a killer ball forward. You can afford to play it short and back and forth against 10 men and manipulate openings.  

Negative and dormouse quiet until Davison's goal.  Rather have 5,000 actual fanz.




Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:25:02
Conroy was indeed bollocks today, but played well v Harrogate.

O'Brien was bollocks today too

just can't seem to play together.

then, when the desperation took hold we had 5 players in a row up front so only had two options - play it around the back or lump it forward.

sigh. so near yet so far


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:25:36
Absolute wank. Had a guy tell me to get my boots on after we conceded our 2nd goal. We can’t defend a set piece which is a basic requirement of a league 2 football team. Can try all you like to take the positives out of this season lucky to have a club blah blah blah but Garner won’t last past Xmas next season. Not enough tactical nous or fighting spirit to rub off on the players. We would have won that game with wellens in charge and that personnel-there I said it-don’t give a fuck if you disagree.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:26:54
After 21 shite home games there is precious little for the fans to get excited about.

If I wanted to be bored shitless for 90 minutes . . .


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:29:13
Blame who you like, I've been sat in the Arkells listening to a fuc king moany "get it forward " expert behind me.

Plenty of righteous criticism of Garnerball today but our support has been right on the backs of the defenders/midfielders as soon as they don't immediately hit a killer ball forward. You can afford to play it short and back and forth against 10 men and manipulate openings.  

Negative and dormouse quiet until Davison's goal.  Rather have 5,000 actual fanz.




We were not clever enough today - Reed dropped way to deep for starters, Davison likewise (but for a couple of moments towards the end, including the goal).  Over the course of the season though you can assess Garner.  Given the squad, we are probably about where we would expect to be.  Garner is not a failure, but he hasn't really added any value either.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:29:43
Blame who you like, I've been sat in the Arkells listening to a fuc king moany "get it forward " expert behind me.

Plenty of righteous criticism of Garnerball today but our support has been right on the backs of the defenders/midfielders as soon as they don't immediately hit a killer ball forward. You can afford to play it short and back and forth against 10 men and manipulate openings.  

Negative and dormouse quiet until Davison's goal.  Rather have 5,000 actual fanz.




Your wish for 5,000 fans will come true with garnerball next season. We’ve missed a fucking great opportunity this season let’s not kid ourselves. Our personnel should be good enough for the play offs but we look like we are gonna fall at the last few fences.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:31:17
Our best XI across the season is play off material, but we have too many that are far too short of the required level that have to be used when injuries or loan recalls bite us.


Title: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:31:49
our personnel has been short a striker all season jimbob

probably wouldn't have made a difference today, but would over the season

would have let us go 2 up top and taken control of the midfield better today too


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:32:57
I honestly dont remember the Iandolo "penalty incident". Anyone?

Nope. We seem to have a "missed" penalty chance most weeks.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:34:11
I’ve avoided posting for a while and hoped they’d eventually prove my early season gripes as snap judgements but that is season over now. Just a shame it’s not mathematical as we need to sack off the loan players now and start seeing which fringe players may make an impact next season.

Wollacott almost seems like he’s lost any appetite to play for us so should probably be dropped now. Conroy is a stat padding fraud who is more interested in his long pass highlights reel than actually defending. He’s down there with Aljofree in terms of our worst captains, no organisational or leadership skills to ever be seen from him.

Today was an example of how not to play against ten men, I mean consistently playing floated 50 yard wide passes didn’t work once and consistently surrendered possession.

Reed apart there’s no one I’d be sad to lose but it’s imperative we have a complete fresh start at the back as too much lethargy, mistakes and bad habits amongst the current incumbents. We need to sign a leader on the pitch and that is a priority for me in the summer.

Final mention on Garner, matches like today prove he is a million miles off what is required tactically, I’m not looking forward to another season of this as its really not enjoyable to watch or get into especially at home. He’s going to need to have a proper look at himself over the summer and surrender some of the pointless possession and passing stats for more risky forward thinking tactics.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: 1989Monkey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:34:15
our personnel has been short a striker all season jimbob

probably wouldn't have made a difference today, but would over the season

would have let us go 2 up top and taken control of the midfield better today too

Who needs strikers with Barry, Williams, JML and all the other non forwards Garner claims are strikers!

Completely agree would have made no difference today but would have gained us extra points throughout the season. Unfortunately I think he is adamant that this formation is how he wants to play even next season


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:36:32
our personnel has been short a striker all season jimbob

probably wouldn't have made a difference today, but would over the season

would have let us go 2 up top and taken control of the midfield better today too

Perhaps should have shown more faith in a local lad that earned a contract rather than giving the impression he’s playing not to lose and trying to keep his job. Irrespective of that, we have a good enough squad to have finished in the play offs considering the opposition fighting for play offs. If we can’t undo a side that’s playing for nothing and down to 10 men, we don’t deserve to get a play off chance. Decision making and lack of movement cost us today.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:39:26
I agree with most of that.

mckirdy injury was unfortunately the card that brought the house down for me though.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:39:39
I keep hearing Reed, JoJo, Conroy, Payne etc are too good for this league and should be playing at a higher level😀
Garner needs to wake up and smell the coffee and realise pretty possession football is not suited to league 2


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: hobnob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:40:42
Absolute wank. Had a guy tell me to get my boots on after we conceded our 2nd goal. We can’t defend a set piece which is a basic requirement of a league 2 football team. Can try all you like to take the positives out of this season lucky to have a club blah blah blah but Garner won’t last past Xmas next season. Not enough tactical nous or fighting spirit to rub off on the players. We would have won that game with wellens in charge and that personnel-there I said it-don’t give a fuck if you disagree.
Absolutely hit the nail on the head, proper manager against academy bod, why the surprise?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:42:25
Hypothetical question but would wellens have got more out of this squad of players🤔


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:43:49
I agree with most of that.

mckirdy injury was unfortunately the card that brought the house down for me though.

Yeah spot on. mckirdy wasn’t afraid to lose the ball and was unpredictable. Absolute opposite to what we’ve served up since he has been out.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:45:32
Hypothetical question but would wellens have got more out of this squad of players🤔

100% yes but alas that ship sailed a while ago sadly. So fucking annoyed with our inept performances at home.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:45:49
Too many weedy, dwarf-like players. No power, no strength, no tackling.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:46:44
Hypothetical question but would wellens have got more out of this squad of players🤔

Unsure.

We’d still be a striker short but he’d definitely set us up to be more attacking.
…not…sure he’d have signed the player we have signed in the first place and he’d have probably fallen out with some. Plus over played some to the point they were injured all the time.
Would have kept Grant around probably. Defence still would have been shite and Conroy probably still Captain.

If anything - a Garner/Wellens co management team would have supplemented each other very well…


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:47:07
100% yes but alas that ship sailed a while ago sadly. So fucking annoyed with our inept performances at home.

Spot on


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:49:21
Unsure.

We’d still be a striker short but he’d definitely set us up to be more attacking.
…not…sure he’d have signed the player we have signed in the first place and he’d have probably fallen out with some. Plus over played some to the point they were injured all the time.
Would have kept Grant around probably. Defence still would have been shite and Conroy probably still Captain.

If anything - a Garner/Wellens co management team would have supplemented each other very well…

It hurts even discussing it especially when you see the lack of quality in some the teams above us.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:50:32
Too many weedy, dwarf-like players. No power, no strength, no tackling.

All of which you need to fight your way out of league 2


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:52:11
Hypothetical question but would wellens have got more out of this squad of players🤔

Probably not.  Also, his tenure would, I suspect, have come to an abrupt end if/when another lower league gig became available.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:55:41
Probably not.  Also, his tenure would, I suspect, have come to an abrupt end if/when another lower league gig became available.

I blame Power for wellens taking the Salford job as he seemed really happy here. Under Clem I reckon he would have flourished but as stated above that ship sailed a long time ago so we have to make do and wonder!



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:57:06
I blame Power for wellens taking the Salford job as he seemed really happy here and under Clem I reckon he would have flourished but as above that ship sailed a long time ago.



I think we need to finally forget about 'the messiah'.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:57:33
I will give Rob Angus his due, he went and got my son Ketchup when my Mum sent him off to do so.  However, this summer he needs to earn his CEO salary.  Sit down with Garner and lay out the expectations for next season in no uncertain terms.  Let him know he will have a top 7 budget for wages because you are budgeting on 10k crowds being sustained, but to do that, Garner is immediately on the hook to serve up a top 7 performing team to sustain those crowds.  There is now way we should be hamstrung like we were this season given the assurity the crowds should now have delivered.  Yes, debts need sorting, but a guy came in and told everyone he was going to sort those if he got the club.  He has had his way and must be bringing in far more income than had been planned for in 2021/22.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:58:20
I think we need to finally forget about 'the messiah'.

Yep, Glen fucked off to Chelsea years ago.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, April 18, 2022, 16:59:23
Just back.  Hows the meltdown going?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:01:12
No meltdown Garner reckons we will definitely make the play offs if we win our last four games😀


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:04:01
Wellens only mentioned as he was on the opposing bench for clarity. Garner isn’t the long term solution with his current game plan (despite the contract extension) and I think if most fans are honest, can’t see many disagreeing with that. Our home form is inexcusable. Real shame for Tomlinson if that’s him out for the season because he did give us something different. Anyone want a Walsall and coach ticket x2?!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:04:12
Yep, Glen fucked off to Chelsea years ago.

Yeah, good point.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:05:38
Yeah but Ozzie introduced the sexy football😀


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:09:10
Quote from: Jimmy QuitMoaning
No meltdown Garner reckons we will definitely make the play offs if we win our last four games😀

he's probably correct.
---
while we are talking ex bosses, one is 4 points from safety with 3 to go: Salford, Tranmere, Crawley


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:15:26
Oh, well ... a painful end to a season that offered some excitement.

In reality, it appears highly likely that STFC would have struggled in div 3 anyway.

Next season will, I suspect, be seen as a real litmus test by those who celebrated getting their club back.  


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:16:07
he's probably correct.
---
while we are talking ex bosses, one is 4 points from safety with 3 to go: Salford, Tranmere, Crawley

Looks like Oldham are doomed and will be interesting to see if he stays next season.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:16:12
We would make the play offs if we won our last four. But we’re not going too

League two footballers are fundamentally not good enough to be regularly successful playing the way garner wants to play - if they were, they would be at a higher level.

It will work occasionally, either when it clicks or when the opposition are open (and you have greater margin for error in attack), but I don’t believe it can work well enough or long enough to achieve much real success


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:17:27
Oh, well ... a painful end to a season that offered some excitement.

In reality, it appears highly likely that STFC would have struggled in div 3 anyway.

Next season will, I suspect, be seen as a real litmus test by those who celebrated getting their club back.  

I totally agree it would have been a massive struggle in league one next season. Mind you league 2 is going to be a tough league.

Today's attendances if anyone is interested
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/fixtures/_/date/2021000418


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:20:46
Last moan sorry. When you play that high line when defending free kicks (which smacks of lack of confidence and desperation in the ability to defend if you ask me), you need everyone on the same page- we seem so far away from everyone being on the same page-including giving away needless free kicks in the first place!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:21:30
Just a word on the ref.  Im always one to hammer them but I thought he had a good game considering.  Seemed to get everyone involved in the handbags and didn't let them get away with too much time wasting which they naturally did.

I remember him being good in the last game he reffed at the CG.

Of course he is a good Wiltshire lad, ex chippenham striker so Im predisposed to think he's allright.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:21:43
We would make the play offs if we won our last four. But we’re not going too

League two footballers are fundamentally not good enough to be regularly successful playing the way garner wants to play - if they were, they would be at a higher level.

It will work occasionally, either when it clicks or when the opposition are open (and you have greater margin for error in attack), but I don’t believe it can work well enough or long enough to achieve much real success

Can’t argue with that


Title: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:22:05
Quote
In reality, it appears highly likely that STFC would have struggled in div 3 anyway.
not sure you can make any prediction in that. we have so few players signed up a rebuild was always likely.

this squad isn't good enough, fair enough.


Quote
Next season will, I suspect, be seen as a real litmus test by those who celebrated getting their club back.  
indeed it will.

were there those that didn't celebrate getting their club back 🤔


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:23:23
Mind you league 2 is going to be a tough league.


Yes as Stockport and Wrexham will presumably take up 1st and 2nd (assuming, of course, they both go up)



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:24:26
Please note my uses of the word "if" once with capital influence and currently this club does not have the finances to compete in L1, there's no difficulty in establishing that - simply because they don't have the finances to compete at the important end of a very shit L2.

Yet crowds have done their part and stull turned out to that fucking shite! Also been guilt tripped into deferring ST payments (the club hardly fucking acknowledged the impact of the pandemic upon the customer just how much it was hitting them). Its been a season of spin. I'll give the clib that, they've been good at that. Not sure everyone will want to be continually mugged of though, season upon season.

Like I said, there are more questions than answers. I might hit the more extreme end of issues but consider that within that, there is some that just saying it how it is and not ignoring the elephant in the room.

Davison could score 20 but if it doesn't result in promotion then no cunt will remember it "oh remember the 21/22 season when that loan kid scored 10 goals and we didn't get promoted?" get to fuck man lolz!

Steve Hale can buggar off defending the 10 men theory too. If they can't beat a 10 man team that has fuck all to play for then they don't deserve promotion.

Garner fuck off too with his usual bollocks post-match "should've had a penalty that makes it 2-2" the guy talks in fucking hypotheticals rather than focussing on what actually happened. He's an academy coach. A good academy coach but he's no manager. Oh and for about the 42nd time this season. Conroy is not a captain unless your goal is purely to stay in L2 and nothing else.

At least McGirty is back from his annual leave in West London so there are some personal positives.

STFC as it stands is becoming a sterile development club. Welcome to modern pro football.


I bet Hodgetts is creaming his undercrackers tonight. Straight on the blower to Lucerne Lee no doubt. Is he like a Rovers fan or something?! He appears to revel in announcing when Town have lost yet when they win he's quick to move onto the next news item like what's going on in the wider world of sport. It's a weird one for local radio. I get BBC "impartially" but the contrast from himself and Hawes is glaring.

Thats general frustration, and I get it (and agree, it’s been an incredibly frustrating last 3-4 months). But your original point was that we did not want to go up. That’s just not right. None of our signings support that theory. You also suggested Angus was there to push marketing spin. If ever we’ve had a person in a leadership position that we know will work as hard as any fan to put the club where it needs to be, it’s him - so your frustration really is directed the wrong way.  


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: jimbob on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:25:38
Just a word on the ref.  Im always one to hammer them but I thought he had a good game considering.  Seemed to get everyone involved in the handbags and didn't let them get away with too much time wasting which they naturally did.

I remember him being good in the last game he reffed at the CG.

Of course he is a good Wiltshire lad, ex chippenham striker so Im predisposed to think he's allright.
Just a word on the ref.  Im always one to hammer them but I thought he had a good game considering.  Seemed to get everyone involved in the handbags and didn't let them get away with too much time wasting which they naturally did.

I remember him being good in the last game he reffed at the CG.

Of course he is a good Wiltshire lad, ex chippenham striker so Im predisposed to think he's allright.

Are you pissed?? He was a fucking shambles taking 10 minutes to issue 3 yellow cards. Refs nowadays don’t let teams take free kicks quickly which would help our pedestrian approach. Was expecting him to look to even it up after their red card but he wasn’t given the opportunity mainly due to the lack of fighting spirit.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:28:37
Yes as Stockport and Wrexham will presumably take up 1st and 2nd (assuming, of course, they both go up)



Based on what?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:29:29
Just a word on the ref.  Im always one to hammer them but I thought he had a good game considering.  Seemed to get everyone involved in the handbags and didn't let them get away with too much time wasting which they naturally did.

I remember him being good in the last game he reffed at the CG.

Of course he is a good Wiltshire lad, ex chippenham striker so Im predisposed to think he's allright.
Loved the way he practically frogmarched their player off when he was subbed 🙂


Title: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:30:48
It's a massive hate of mine, free kick given guaranteed someone from the oppo will stand in front of the ball/kick it away (we do this too)

should be a yellow card. it was clamped down on in the past but is back with a vengeance
------
didn't dislike the ref, sent one of theirs off, booked more of them than us.

We had the time added on too


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:31:19
Based on what?

££££


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:31:55
Based on what?

Wrexham are being Trojan Horsed for TV/advertising opportunities.  You'd think the investment will be made to ensure they are "relevant"


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:32:02
It's a massive hate of mine, free kick given guaranteed someone from the oppo will stand in front of the ball/kick it away (we do this too)

should be a yellow card. it was clamped down on in the past but is back with a vengeance

Isn't the ref supposed to move them back 10 yards when that happens.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:33:01
he does, eventually. everyone is back in position by then


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:34:12
It should be an instant yellow card the same as hugging and shirt pulling at corners


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:35:34
he does, eventually. everyone is back in position by then

We’re only going to pass the free kick 5 yards backwards anyway so not sure it matters to us


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:36:39
That gets the % stats up😀


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:38:40
££££

Like Salford? And Mansfield when Radford went for it? Nothing is certain.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:42:46
For those who like to watch again!

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12593269/swindon-1-2-leyton-league-two-highlights


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:49:39
Like Salford? And Mansfield when Radford went for it? Nothing is certain.

As mentioned above, Wrexham's funding is probably on another level.  Success is not certain but Hollywood based backing probably helps a lot.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, April 18, 2022, 17:51:25
Stockport are also well funded


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:00:37
££££

Not sure it works like that - ask Salford.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:03:49
Not sure it works like that - ask Salford.

Not sure Salford's relative lack of success tells us that much.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:04:59
Absolutely awful today. So many of this squad are just not good enough,if you look at the team that finished today a top 10 finish actually some bloody achievement.

Anyone who knows me will know i do not scapegoat players but Jesus christ how bad were OBrien and Wollocott and don't get me started on Conroy. Can't wait for a huge clearout this summer


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:11:35
Oh, well ... a painful end to a season that offered some excitement.

In reality, it appears highly likely that STFC would have struggled in div 3 anyway.

Next season will, I suspect, be seen as a real litmus test by those who celebrated getting their club back.  

Next season will, I suspect, be seen as a real litmus test by those who celebrated getting their club back.  

Are you in that camp?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:14:50
Hypothetical question but would wellens have got more out of this squad of players🤔

100%.
26th minutes I’m sure he would have changed something.
Garner frustrates me massively.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:15:01
As mentioned above, Wrexham's funding is probably on another level.  Success is not certain but Hollywood based backing probably helps a lot.

Success is not certain but Hollywood based backing probably helps a lot.

I agree that success is not certain, Christ on a bike we have all seen over the decades ‘nailed on success’ not materialising when it was expected. However, ‘Hollywood backing probably helps a lot’… for those who are scratched their heads and I’m one, how does that look?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:16:49
Absolutely awful today. So many of this squad are just not good enough,if you look at the team that finished today a top 10 finish actually some bloody achievement.

Anyone who knows me will know i do not scapegoat players but Jesus christ how bad were OBrien and Wollocott and don't get me started on Conroy. Can't wait for a huge clearout this summer

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that O’Brien seems half the player he was playing alongside Conroy than when he had Cooper alongside him.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:16:53
it's not rocket science, more money gives you more options and therefore more chance of promotion.

but it isn't guaranteed


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:16:59
I will give Rob Angus his due, he went and got my son Ketchup when my Mum sent him off to do so.  However, this summer he needs to earn his CEO salary.  Sit down with Garner and lay out the expectations for next season in no uncertain terms.  Let him know he will have a top 7 budget for wages because you are budgeting on 10k crowds being sustained, but to do that, Garner is immediately on the hook to serve up a top 7 performing team to sustain those crowds.  There is now way we should be hamstrung like we were this season given the assurity the crowds should now have delivered.  Yes, debts need sorting, but a guy came in and told everyone he was going to sort those if he got the club.  He has had his way and must be bringing in far more income than had been planned for in 2021/22.

Don’t be so sure we are going to have a decent budget next season.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:21:29
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that O’Brien seems half the player he was playing alongside Conroy than when he had Cooper alongside him.

Should not have changed the side from Friday.
Baudry desperate to start today.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:22:11
Don’t be so sure we are going to have a decent budget next season.
Why do you keep saying this? It will be healthier than this season. Don't just assume it will not be that good because certain players are not being offered deals this summer


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:41:04
We seem to have a number of players that swap between being  very good and fucking awful from match to match.

Consistency is the key. But when you have players unable to play for 90 minutes or even consecutive games for some unknown reason it makes it difficult to obtain.

We manage lurch from sublime to shitfest with little discernible reason.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 18:50:20
Why do you keep saying this? It will be healthier than this season. Don't just assume it will not be that good because certain players are not being offered deals this summer

Really?
I’ve heard further cuts.


Title: Re: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:07:53
Really?
I’ve heard further cuts.
The ground purchase could take up a big chunk of any playing budget if Clem has to put in the full £2.4M if the Eady money doesn't come through before they complete the purchase.

The wage bill next year will see some of the Power era players drop off e.g. Baudry, Lyden and maybe Payne above the £1200 pw figure but evened up by better terms to McKirdy, Ward, Wollacott etc.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:10:45
I’m not convinced that the players bought in this season are only on “£1200 per week”. That’s a base figure, I’m sure bonuses will up that.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:12:50
The ground purchase could take up a big chunk of any playing budget if Clem has to put in the full £2.4M if the Eady money doesn't come through before they complete the purchase.

The wage bill next year will see some of the Power era players drop off e.g. Baudry, Lyden and maybe Payne above the £1200 pw figure but evened up by better terms to McKirdy, Ward, Wollacott etc.

The club was purchased for peanuts.
The crowds have smashed the breakeven figures. Let’s see if the off field and on field budget cuts materialise?
Just hope I am wrong but we still have some off field challenges.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:14:19
Payne is on more than that as his contract was signed before the embargo.

It was reported he was on £5k, albeit Lincoln were still paying half of that.
Can’t imagine we are going to pay him that sort of figure


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:18:32
Payne is on more than that as his contract was signed before the embargo.

It was reported he was on £5k, albeit Lincoln were still paying half of that.
Can’t imagine we are going to pay him that sort of figure

Lots of stuff about wages and budgets gets ‘reported’ most of it bollocks though.

Whatever we are paying Payne - it’s probably been too much this season anyway.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:20:32
Why do you keep saying this? It will be healthier than this season. Don't just assume it will not be that good because certain players are not being offered deals this summer

So Conroy hasnt been offered a new deal then


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:21:27
There’s no real excuse for cuts. Clem was, supposedly, willing to pay in excess of the mythical Able’s offer of £7.5m for the club. He ended up paying £217,500 for it.

Crowds, Man City cup tie and Twine money all jam. Debts are being paid down with commendable speed. The outcome of the FA charge, Power’s final attempt to extort money from the club and financing the purchase of the CG have to be weighed up against the increase in income.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:24:19
Yes, we would have had to honour those pre embargo contracts but they will run down this summer although those players will be looking for at least the same money.

I guess we will have to see how much Clem is prepared to put in. With our gates it doesn't need an FGR or Salford £4M each season but probably does need some topping up.

That's where the new transparency will get interesting if there are budget cuts and gates hold up.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: tans on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:38:56
So Conroy hasnt been offered a new deal then

My thoughts too


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:44:34
Really?
I’ve heard further cuts.
It's obvious who your source is, let's wait and see. To post as if it's fact though is out of order in my opinion.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:45:03
So Conroy hasnt been offered a new deal then

…and that’s obviously due to finances and not the fact he’s crap.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:46:55
I get that they are trying to "run" it like a business that just does more to stay above water but football is more than a business. Akin to owning a boat, an owner must be expected to throw more money at it than it is worth to keep it afloat and will never sell it at a profit.

It's a rich persons game, when you aren't a rich human or relatively so to many in that circle, you'll struggle. Clem has a decent business, Rob Angus seemingly has good business pedigree which is good...for running a business. It just can't correlate to football as inflation in football is not in line with modern business. It has to be supplemented. That falls at the purse of the owner. If they aren't forth coming - it fails.

Jury is still out. My view at present is that Clem is just a little bit nicer version than the previous fucking toad. I don't for one minute believe he is totally clean cut (no one in football is unfortunately) - it's more annoying when they try to make out that they are though...until it unravels. Again.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 19:49:14
…and that’s obviously due to finances and not the fact he’s crap.

Conroy should be gone by the end of this season regardless of which of the two facts are more true.

He's got a great career as a L2 passing coach in a few years.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 20:07:05
It's obvious who your source is, let's wait and see. To post as if it's fact though is out of order in my opinion.

Why do you think contacts are linked to the club?
Probably a few others have contacts in the game and not just at Swindon.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: chalkies shorts on Monday, April 18, 2022, 20:08:24
I get that they are trying to "run" it like a business that just does more to stay above water but football is more than a business. Akin to owning a boat, an owner must be expected to throw more money at it than it is worth to keep it afloat and will never sell it at a profit.

It's a rich persons game, when you aren't a rich human or relatively so to many in that circle, you'll struggle. Clem has a decent business, Rob Angus seemingly has good business pedigree which is good...for running a business. It just can't correlate to football as inflation in football is not in line with modern business. It has to be supplemented. That falls at the purse of the owner. If they aren't forth coming - it fails.

Jury is still out. My view at present is that Clem is just a little bit nicer version than the previous fucking toad. I don't for one minute believe he is totally clean cut (no one in football is unfortunately) - it's more annoying when they try to make out that they are though...until it unravels. Again.
Rob Angus is probably the best asset the club has at the moment. He could get a job tomorrow paying a shitload more and with much greater security. I'd be worried if he left.
I'd expect this season has been one of establishing finances and getting skeletons out. Next season they should have a much fairer idea of where the club is at and budget accordingly, whether up or down I don't know


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 20:09:46
My thoughts too

I hope so but expecting wholesale changes.
Equally after that today I wouldn’t mind seeing a complete rebuild.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 20:13:29
I get that they are trying to "run" it like a business that just does more to stay above water but football is more than a business. Akin to owning a boat, an owner must be expected to throw more money at it than it is worth to keep it afloat and will never sell it at a profit.

It's a rich persons game, when you aren't a rich human or relatively so to many in that circle, you'll struggle. Clem has a decent business, Rob Angus seemingly has good business pedigree which is good...for running a business. It just can't correlate to football as inflation in football is not in line with modern business. It has to be supplemented. That falls at the purse of the owner. If they aren't forth coming - it fails.

Jury is still out. My view at present is that Clem is just a little bit nicer version than the previous fucking toad. I don't for one minute believe he is totally clean cut (no one in football is unfortunately) - it's more annoying when they try to make out that they are though...until it unravels. Again.

We are not out of the off field challenges by any stretch of the imagination.
Until this is all out in the open and our destiny settled it’s always in the back on the mind.
This season at least has given us a breather from the pre season daily battles.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 20:15:26
Rob Angus is probably the best asset the club has at the moment. He could get a job tomorrow paying a shitload more and with much greater security. I'd be worried if he left.
I'd expect this season has been one of establishing finances and getting skeletons out. Next season they should have a much fairer idea of where the club is at and budget accordingly, whether up or down I don't know

Decent bloke however has no say at the top of the tree.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 18, 2022, 20:20:02
Great to see Wellens get a decent reception after the whistle.
Had all his family down to the game today.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 18, 2022, 20:51:32
Why do you think contacts are linked to the club?
Probably a few others have contacts in the game and not just at Swindon.

Yeah I'm with Dukey on this one. Whilst we might not agree on Conroy (and I don't think he's a rubbish player, just not captain material - I think he still needs development there), there are several people on here who have links with people in the game all over the place. Even I had a few last season that also made a link to a STFC. Most of mine will almost always come from Midlands or Northern clubs cos ya know, that's my locale :)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 20:53:04
I've had time to reflect, and I'm still fucked off with our last 2 home performances.

 we could easily have had 4 more points

ifs and buts.. we don't


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, April 18, 2022, 21:19:17
Only the last 2?

Home form has been shocking all season.  We score goals for fun away, but seem to freeze in front of a bigger crowd at home.

The quality just evaporated today.  No pace and everything just hoofed over the top into the Townend/bank.

Quick ball to feet and plenty of movement was required today but took 75 mins before we even considered that by which time we were 2 down.

Pathetic and disappointing on so many levels.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 18, 2022, 21:24:52
not only the last 2. But it highlights how close we were to the playoffs


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, April 18, 2022, 21:34:30
not only the last 2. But it highlights how close we were to the playoffs
That's the frustration.  Away form shows that we are easily good enough to get promoted, but choosing to play walking football at home has cost us


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 07:09:08
Was a good game for the first 25 minutes. Orient set out to attack and both teams went toe to toe in what was entertaining. We conceded in the usual manner from an awfully defended free kick set piece which we haven't been able to look remotely like doing properly all season, I've no idea who was culpable but it was all too easy for Beckles. Then their player got the stupidest second yellow I've seen in a while and immediately Orient changes things and banked in to take what they have. We decided that the best way to get in at them was to play balls in to the wing backs, Conroy to Egbo and JOB to Ellis/Tomlinson, or more often rows C-K.

Second half more of the same interspersed with another feebly conceded second to Beckles after a period of throw in pinball. We just seemed very one dimensional even after  bringing Williams on (just remembered he came on at half time) and attempted to try something different than the balls to the wing backs. Neat one twos through the middle opened up Orient a couple of times including a nice goal by Davison. We huffed and puffed but in reality never really looked like equalising. It just felt a bit disjointed in the second half, which really sums up our season in all honesty.

Orient seemed very organised and hard working and that was all they really needed to do, we didn't have the tools or the skills to unlock them, and when we did it was too late. It's a real shame that with our run in we haven't been able to make a fist of autos or the play offs and we're going to finish around 10th. It's a platform for next season but with costs spiralling it will be interesting to see season ticket sales and what kind of budget we'll have in place for it.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 07:16:08
Was a good game for the first 25 minutes. Orient set out to attack and both teams went toe to toe in what was entertaining. We conceded in the usual manner from an awfully defended free kick set piece which we haven't been able to look remotely like doing properly all season, I've no idea who was culpable but it was all too easy for Beckles. Then their player got the stupidest second yellow I've seen in a while and immediately Orient changes things and banked in to take what they have. We decided that the best way to get in at them was to play balls in to the wing backs, Conroy to Egbo and JOB to Ellis/Tomlinson, or more often rows C-K.

Second half more of the same interspersed with another feebly conceded second to Beckles after a period of throw in pinball. We just seemed very one dimensional even after  bringing Williams on (just remembered he came on at half time) and attempted to try something different than the balls to the wing backs. Neat one twos through the middle opened up Orient a couple of times including a nice goal by Davison. We huffed and puffed but in reality never really looked like equalising. It just felt a bit disjointed in the second half, which really sums up our season in all honesty.

Orient seemed very organised and hard working and that was all they really needed to do, we didn't have the tools or the skills to unlock them, and when we did it was too late. It's a real shame that with our run in we haven't been able to make a fist of autos or the play offs and we're going to finish around 10th. It's a platform for next season but with costs spiralling it will be interesting to see season ticket sales and what kind of budget we'll have in place for it.

Can't disagree with any of that. No sense of urgency on the pitch or in the stands.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 07:36:12
Can't disagree with any of that. No sense of urgency on the pitch or in the stands.

I think that's a good way of summing it up. Casually passing between the back 2/3. Its one of my bug bears that it's our defence that always seems to try and compose something, I dont feel that our talented midfielders get involved enough the way we are setup. You saw glimpses of what we could do, Jesus with Payne, Williams and Reed on the pitch it should be manna from heaven for Davison who we never really create chance after chance for. He took his well but apart from that I can't think of much we created for the big man.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 07:41:39
I've had time to reflect...it was still shite. Repetitive shite.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 07:47:51
I think that's a good way of summing it up. Casually passing between the back 2/3. Its one of my bug bears that it's our defence that always seems to try and compose something, I dont feel that our talented midfielders get involved enough the way we are setup. You saw glimpses of what we could do, Jesus with Payne, Williams and Reed on the pitch it should be manna from heaven for Davison who we never really create chance after chance for. He took his well but apart from that I can't think of much we created for the big man.

…and that’s exactly the reason why Garner probably won’t make a decent go of football management. Those are our tactics and they don’t work at this level.

Christ, I know we are going to the extremes here but could you imagine our Paolo Di Canio side being 2-0 down against 10 men at home and then constantly fannying around with it at the back. No fucking chance - we’d be busting our balls to win 3-2



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 08:04:14
Havent read back...

I dare not.

Massively disappointing.

Got excited at the final ten minutes that we might get a draw that wasnt good enough.

We are a good team but not a great one...great ones go up.



Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 08:05:52
Sorry but Conroy isnt good enough in my book.I've never been one to rush to conclusions about a player but he has had long enough now to prove me wrong and unfortunately he hasn't. Brutal truth is that he's a defender who simply cannot defend.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 08:06:28
Havent read back...

I dare not.

Massively disappointing.

Got excited at the final ten minutes that we might get a draw that wasnt good enough.

We are a good team but not a great one...great ones go up.



Not necessarily at league 2. Sutton and Northampton are both in with a shout at autos and they've been pretty ordinary based on what I've seen. Organised yes, great, far from it.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 08:17:48
Actually if it wasn't for the football match, I had a pretty good time at the game yesterday. Took my 5 yo daughter to her second ever game (she even watch some of it this time), Baudry gave her his signed Her Game Too warm up t-shirt and the pizza winner gave away some of his pizza to us at half time.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 08:22:52
Actually if it wasn't for the football match, I had a pretty good time at the game yesterday. Took my 5 yo daughter to her second ever game (she even watch some of it this time), Baudry gave her his signed Her Game Too warm up t-shirt and the pizza winner gave away some of his pizza to us at half time.

Great to hear the club doing so much off the pitch, now if they can crack it on it!!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 08:30:19
The managers philosophy is only as good as the players asked to deliver it. What's clear to me is that we are lacking in that department when key players are missing/having an off day.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 08:46:33
The managers philosophy is only as good as the players asked to deliver it. What's clear to me is that we are lacking in that department when key players are missing/having an off day.

Its not just Garner its been a problem under multiple managers for a fair few seasons (I vividly recall a game against Preston under Cooper when we were doing exactly the same - on that day it was all McEveley's fault according to the fans), to play that type of football out from the back you need defenders who are comfortable and confident on the ball, and defenders like that who can also as importantly defend will not be plying their trade in Div 4.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 08:57:38
Its not just Garner its been a problem under multiple managers for a fair few seasons (I vividly recall a game against Preston under Cooper when we were doing exactly the same - on that day it was all McEveley's fault according to the fans), to play that type of football out from the back you need defenders who are comfortable and confident on the ball, and defenders like that who can also as importantly defend will not be plying their trade in Div 4.

That's what you get with players at this level. They make more mistakes and is why they're at the level they are. Our defender's are always looking to give the ball but the options are lacking for them to do so. That's where mistakes occur. The defending which is shambolic at times is another thing. I think we over complicate everything and of we went back to basics we'd be better for it.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 09:22:42
The concern for me is most players seem to have got worse the longer the season has gone on as well as looking worse as a team collectively.

Payne, Wollocott, Reed, Williams, Hunt, Conroy have all got worse. It’s only really McKirdy and Iandolo who I actually think have improved.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 09:26:59
If the players aren’t capable of doing the things the manager is continually asking them to do, that’s on him…


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 09:46:47
If the players aren’t capable of doing the things the manager is continually asking them to do, that’s on him…

Spot on, the good managers at this level can set up a side to fit their strengths.
It’s ok for the top managers to do it, because they can buy players to fit their philosophy as money is pretty much no object.

The more I see of us under Garner, the more I think of Luke Williams, a great coach but not likely to be a great manager


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:07:28
The more I see of us under Garner, the more I think of Luke Williams, a great coach but not likely to be a great manager
I agree, As I suggested before Christmas too but was shouted down by several posters.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:10:35
The concern for me is most players seem to have got worse the longer the season has gone on as well as looking worse as a team collectively.

Payne, Wollocott, Reed, Williams, Hunt, Conroy have all got worse. It’s only really McKirdy and Iandolo who I actually think have improved.

the thing is as the season has gone our starting 11 each week has also got worse. our first choice 11 with no injuries/loan recalls this season is a match for absolutely anyone and we have shown that enough times.

the depth isn't there unfortunately and it looks like the season will die away. we gave it a good go

my first home game since wasall. that game was still post simpson going but 4 changes is huge from that team of:

Wollacott; Iandolo (Ryan East 74), Davison (Harry Parsons 77), McKirdy (Jonny Williams 65), Cooper, O'Brien, Barry, Tomlinson, Hunt (C), Reed, Aguiar.

we had balance, leadership and movement.

Cooper and o'brien looked brilliant together, conroy and o'brien dont.

Tomlinson and hunt as attacking full backs. Odimayo- i like him at cb or as a 3, hate him at rb- no confidence to run at players, will always pass backwards and poor delivery.

Aguiar has dipped recently but sometimes the personnel can free you and with the running of mckirdy AND barry gaps open and he exploited them massively.

Our replacements for injuries just aren't good enough this season and it has shown. is what it is.

Another thing from yesterday was that our cbs couldnt find a pass so reed took over and dropped deep. thats 7 players left in front of them to find a pass with orient having 9 left to defend. 7 vs 9 we couldnt find the space and the game was completely gone. we needed to be more direct and braver, we got frustrated.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:27:41
There are definite similarities between Garner and Williams. It's academy style football that they try to get their teams to play.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:34:32
Spot on, the good managers at this level can set up a side to fit their strengths.
It’s ok for the top managers to do it, because they can buy players to fit their philosophy as money is pretty much no object.

The more I see of us under Garner, the more I think of Luke Williams, a great coach but not likely to be a great manager

It’s exactly that. Garner background is academy football means his directive is play a certain way and mould the players into that system.

If they aren’t capable they get moved out and another kid comes in. If they are capable they move up and another kid comes in. It’s a conveyor belt and it’s pure trial and error and it can afford to be exactly that because results mean nothing ultimately.

At the Palace academy Garner could have lost 120 games straight but if 2 or 3 kids made it to the first team - he’s done his job.

That isn’t football management & never will be


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:44:16
Most long balls yesterday were woeful. Simple stuff.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: kaufman on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:44:51
Davison's strike rate now just 3 behind Simpson in 12 less games. If he catches him that's got to be applauded. Darwin only knows how many Simpson would have got though if he stayed.
I'd have them both here next season without doubt.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:52:52
It all depends on what brief Garner has from above. If it’s developing players for future sale and not necessarily building for the future with the intention of progressing the club, then this season’s increase in crowd numbers will dwindle away over the next year or 2.

Fans aren’t stupid. I’m not even sure I’d want to watch much more of Garnerball even it produced results.

The passion has been sucked out of matchdays. It’s like going to the cinema to watch some arty farty film you’re supposed to like but is boring the arse off you.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 11:08:17
I felt that way with Williams Aud. Seriously questioned if I could take another session of that.

For whatever reason I'm not there with Garner. And yes I can see many parallels


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 11:52:31
I suspect the criteria for our Manager was equal parts results and develop players for sale.  That's why we got someone like Garner in, it's what he does (the second part - although he used to develop them for use in the first team).

They are going to get a rude awakening if they think they will get away with repeating this season though.  For all the good stuff, and being in and around the play offs, this still must count as one of the worst seasons in our history since the birth of four divisions.  A meander to this sort of finish did for Brown.  They got a freebie this year due to the summer shenanigans and saying the right things.

Ultimately, Garners approach has a limitation in first team football.  He will only be judged on results by the fans, and our history is one of a team that usually gets promoted from this league soon enough, then potters about in the one above while bouncing around a bit in the longer term.  He has to learn and change approach.  We've been found out - teams can set-up to defend or pressure us.  Either approach, both negative ways of playing some would say, stifle our possession style and our soft defending in general play as well as set pieces gives a team all they need to work off at this level.  Sometimes our possession and sprinkle of good players wins the day, other days we huff and puff and fall over.  Teams only have to play us twice, they can set-up for us and take that 50/50 approach if they need to.

We are not going to get players of top quality - we need to use a bit of the dark arts of the game, we need some winners in the team.  If you took some highlights from Garners post match comments, you'd get the same package for every game nearly, win or lose.  By now he should be getting irritated by not getting the results, not worried about performance levels (as he sees them).  At the end of a season, XPG doesn't earn you a single fucking point.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 12:02:53
It’s exactly that. Garner background is academy football means his directive is play a certain way and mould the players into that system.

If they aren’t capable they get moved out and another kid comes in. If they are capable they move up and another kid comes in. It’s a conveyor belt and it’s pure trial and error and it can afford to be exactly that because results mean nothing ultimately.

At the Palace academy Garner could have lost 120 games straight but if 2 or 3 kids made it to the first team - he’s done his job.

That isn’t football management & never will be
Almost exactly as I posted back in February.

These are still my thoughts too, nothing has changed.

Sorry for the long post but this is how I see it, I doubt many will agree but then they never do :)

I don't think getting rid of Garner would get us anywhere at the moment. Clem would still get in a man who wants to play passing attractive(at times) football and buy, nurture and sell young players, thats Clems remit he has admitted that already several times.

I have said since day 1 that Garner is not a manager, hes a development coach, his background is development of young players and is not tactically aware of what is needed in a cut throat results based league. He has come from a career as a youth/academy development coach, a job in which he has to be nice and get on with the young players, coach them and improve them to prepare them to get ready for the 1st team, a job he had some success with previously.

At academy level there is no pressure to get results, you just develop the players and even if you lose 3-0 week in week out your job is safe, you are under no pressure to learn how to learn game management, there is no impetus to need to change tactics to win games as the result is largely totally immaterial. He could lose every game but if he brought 1 player a season through to challenge for the 1st team then that would be considered success.

He has never had to learn tactical styles, he plays to a formula that wins some and loses some but in a way that means the players can at least pass a ball but relies on the youngsters having enough already in their locker to play the position that they do, it merely prepares them for playing in a team but necessitates no need to over coach them with tactics which is why many youngsters struggle when they come to lower league clubs, they dont have the footballing intelligence to take on tactics and the pressure of needing to get results as its all new to them.

I don't think its a coincidence that Garner is getting rid of most of the old guard as they can see we need results at the expense of pretty football, Grant wanted to win the ball at all costs, Garner didn't want that, he wanted a player who could pass a ball and maybe win a couple of challenges too not just a ball winner, which we can all see is blatantly missing in the team.

Garner has never had to learn how to manage a game, how many times have we been in the lead with 15 mins left and yet he makes what with foresight and hindsight are errors in substitution or doesnt know how to shut up shop. That is something badly needs addressing, being a league manager is 99% about results and not about about playing just an attractive style of football.

At an academy there is no danger that if you lose games then the academy will not suffer long term, in the league if you dont get results the entire club suffers with relegation or worse, the lower down the leagues the harder it is to get decent players, to get decent sponsorship and to attact fans, all of which will have an impact on the club financially, then you can get into the realms of overspending and take out loans and not repay then as Bury learnt and so nearly Power too.

Chesterfield, Notts County, Stockport, Wrexham, Grimsby and Southend were all well established league clubs with a history of plying their trade in much higher leagues but how they have dropped with poor on the pitch performances, its easily done with just one poor managerial appointment, look at us last season with Sheridan for instance, if he was removed in December I still feel we could possibly have survived in L1.

A couple of blatant faults for me have been - why go into a whole campaign essentially with a lone "front man"? yes we have "attackers" players who can play in a variety of positions but not as an actually front man. If Simpson or Davison got injured then we have zero actually striker options on the bench to change/improve us, that IMO is a fault of recruitment Chorley or Garner.

We have probably too many players who are very similar, McKirdy, Barry, Williams, Payne and JML so although all offer something a little different none have enough to change a game dramatically, that is a fault of recruitment Chorley or Garner.

We have a few underperforming players and all players have highs and lows but no single player is ever the reason for poor results, 1 player (for instance Conroy) makes an error then the other 10 players should make up for that by closing ranks and helping.

I have noticed we seem to have no "talkers" on the pitch, helping players out, I lose count of the number of times one of our players gets put under pressure in the middle of the pitch, or in front of our defence and we can all see 2 attackers pressing him yet he seems oblivious to any incoming players, nobody is telling him to get rid of the ball with a short pass, or put it into touch and all too often that player gets punished and often a goal results when often a simple call from a team mate may have made him more aware.

Anyway short term I think Garner needs extra help from an experienced manager to help him in the areas that we are obviously lacking, changing tactics, game management, better use of subs. Obviously he may not think he needs that help or be open to it, like Iffy and Big Ron a few years back but if a young manager doesn't feel he needs to learn then maybe he isn't cut out to be a manager?

Not just criticise Garner but encourage him to improve in his job in the areas that need it, oh and make him aware that his decisions ultimately have THE biggest bearing on fans/players/finances as the worse the results the less chance we will have of attracting better players, better sponsorship and ultimately more fans.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 12:19:23
All been true all season.

I can’t see him still being here by the time the calendar year ends.
Unless we bring in some experience to help - just gonna use Tony Pulis as an example because he worked with Garner at Palace and took him up to West Brom.
Ying & Yang probably more effective together then either on there own.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: pantomime dame on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 12:26:33
There are definite similarities between Garner and Williams. It's academy style football that they try to get their teams to play.

I've been saying this since November and Luke Warm was one of the reasons I stopped coming to the County Ground.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: pantomime dame on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 12:29:13
Most long balls yesterday were woeful. Simple stuff.
As opposed to our short balls? Because if their was some great passes, then I must of dozzed off.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 12:31:55
Ying & Yang probably more effective together then either on there own.
Arent they Spurs forward line? :D


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 13:09:56
As opposed to our short balls? Because if their was some great passes, then I must of dozzed off.

It was all balls tbh  :)


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: normy on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 13:54:15
I was disappointed with Egbo. He only took on the fullback once and got that good cross in, but no more for some reason, he moved inside a lot and got crowded out. Admittedly he didn't get much support from behind him, but perhaps he was under orders to play a different kind of game than we saw him perform against Harrogate.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 14:06:27
I was disappointed with Egbo. He only took on the fullback once and got that good cross in, but no more for some reason, he moved inside a lot and got crowded out. Admittedly he didn't get much support from behind him, but perhaps he was under orders to play a different kind of game than we saw him perform against Harrogate.

He is going to be very hit and miss for a while, assuming he will improve over time.  He's been playing the equivalent of Academy level football in USL for NY Red Bulls II.  It's like L1 to Conference level talent playing in an Academy sort of way.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 16:17:09
Arent they Spurs forward line? :D
Surely it should be the Orient's ?  :D


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 19:00:56
Arent they Spurs forward line? :D
That's Cheech and Chong!🙂


Title: Re: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 07:46:25
I was disappointed with Egbo. He only took on the fullback once and got that good cross in, but no more for some reason, he moved inside a lot and got crowded out. Admittedly he didn't get much support from behind him, but perhaps he was under orders to play a different kind of game than we saw him perform against Harrogate.
He got doubles up quite a bit, I noticed, even when they had 10 men.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 08:08:28
I pointed out Egbo reluctance to try to beat his man during the game.

mind you JML got pelters for trying to do the same v Newport and failing

whatever the reason is, I hope it's not coached because his asset was movement and directness. Maybe Harrogate took to much out of him.

with hindsight maybe Williams should have started. But you can't drop Egbo after Friday!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 09:24:46
That's Cheech and Chong!🙂
Thats a smoking front line!


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 09:58:50
I pointed out Egbo reluctance to try to beat his man during the game.

mind you JML got pelters for trying to do the same v Newport and failing

whatever the reason is, I hope it's not coached because his asset was movement and directness. Maybe Harrogate took to much out of him.

with hindsight maybe Williams should have started. But you can't drop Egbo after Friday!

You need to keep in mind that Egbo is not used to playing forward as he is with us, from what I understand he has played most of his career at RB.  He might have the pace and power to run at players, but if it is not natural to you, 9/10 your brain will revert to what you know, which for a RB is to turn back and protect the ball.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 11:23:10
you are absolutely right. it's more that he didn't do it as much as he did at Harrogate in the same position.

Think there's some raw talent there though


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: mrverve on Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 20:25:44
After the shitshow of last summer we need to give Garner a full pre-season and a chance to try (along with Ben Chorley) to build on this season, however some of the performances- especially at home, have been abysmal.

Its been reminiscent of watching us under Williams- academy/ testimonial football. My biggest concern is the intensity or lack thereof and our lack of match sharpness/fitness.

Personally can't see Garner here long term especially if we start next season like the last few months of this! Hope he proves me wrong.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 05:57:00
After the shitshow of last summer we need to give Garner a full pre-season and a chance to try (along with Ben Chorley) to build on this season, however some of the performances- especially at home, have been abysmal.

Its been reminiscent of watching us under Williams- academy/ testimonial football. My biggest concern is the intensity or lack thereof and our lack of match sharpness/fitness.

Personally can't see Garner here long term especially if we start next season like the last few months of this! Hope he proves me wrong.

I think that’s the consensus from most out fans.

That Garner has done well enough this season with all the challenges to deserve a proper go at it next season…however…we don’t think the tactics/formations/game management and therefore results will change…and repeating this seasons would see him sacked.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 06:41:52
exactly so DV


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 07:14:39
Absolutely agree.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 07:27:04
So someone deserves a chance even if it's generally thought they won't do the business?


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 07:35:24
So someone deserves a chance even if it's generally thought they won't do the business?
Absolutely, many players and sometimes managers in their first season do not perform or manage to a level deemed good enough, if they continue to not reach the desired level then fine get rid of them.

Its not like hes an older manager like Phil Brown who everyone knows won't improve given time but hes only 41 in his 2nd professional management job, if he doesn't learn from his mistakes then get rid of him, we don't know how much he has control over players/tactics/team selection for all we know Ben Chorley could have a huge hand in those things.

For me I would prefer a more experienced DoF above him who is not in it for the money (Jewell) and doesn't have links to the previous regime (Chorley) but we know that won't happen as apparently all signings have been instigated by Chorley if you listen to the rumours put around.

Also we cannot afford to get rid of Garner, he has just signed a new 2 year contract and even if hes on say £1,500 pw (seems a reasonable figure to me) then thats a handshake of £160k which I doubt we can afford especially if the budget cut rumours are found to be true.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 08:11:19
Quote from: 4D
So someone deserves a chance even if it's generally thought they won't do the business?

That depends really.

I think it's hard to say he won't do the business with any certainty.

I 100% worry we have a new Luke Williams, but promotion has repeatedly been stated isn't a target this season.

So can you sack him for not achieving a non-target.

A squad put together in no time with no real preseason. and ripped apart by the 'the window' and key injuries.

Obviously the risk is he is a new Luke Williams and we stagnate another year.

I guess I'm sitting on the fence


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 08:28:40
So someone deserves a chance even if it's generally thought they won't do the business?

Yes.

Someone deserves the chance to prove people (us) wrong.
Just because I / you / we all think things won’t change, doesn’t mean they won’t.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 08:32:43
I'd rather see someone come in alongside him if we stagnate. My biggest irritation this year is we continued to play much the same way in games even when it was obviously not working.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: DiV on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 08:47:03
I'd rather see someone come in alongside him if we stagnate. My biggest irritation this year is we continued to play much the same way in games even when it was obviously not working.

I’ve said this (not the only one) but an experienced helping hand from say Tony Pulis (who he worked with at Palace and WBA) would probably work wonders for all involved.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 09:14:09
Quote from: 4D
I'd rather see someone come in alongside him if we stagnate. My biggest irritation this year is we continued to play much the same way in games even when it was obviously not working.

most of us think the same thing 4D


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 09:40:35
Its been said to death but this season was very much a free hit for Garner, his remit from Clem and Co was always to avoid relegation and clearly on that front he's been able to deliver that. Obviously the way the season ended up going and with the standard of players we were able to sign, finishing around 10th does seem a huge disappointment. There were huge positives, our early season away form, run to the third round of the cup, the big wins over Northampton and Walsall did show that we had it in our locker at times. But on the other side of the coin there were far too many turgid displays, mainly at home. Based on what we saw this season it's clear that Garner doesn't (yet) have a huge tactical play book, to his credit he ditched the 5 at the back to the 4 which seemed to provide an upturn in form albeit briefly. Given where we were with 10 games left, it's a huge disappointment that we haven't made a better fist of promotion, especially given the sides in league 1 next season would provide huge crowds consistently at the CG.

Next season it will be interesting to see how ambitious Clem and Rob are, surely the remit has to be for promotion. Its likely to be another rebuild but I think this is good that the Ben's can hopefully build a strong squad of talented players keeping an eye on the loan market - this season's loans, Gilbert aside were a success. Like others, let's give Garner next season and take stock when Nov/December comes. If he can add more tactical nous and intensity into our home performances then I think he'll do well. Clearly the natives are already restless and a poor start to next season isn't going to go down well.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 10:26:50
I wasn't aware that Garner had just signed an extension, the way I read it was that he signed a 3 year contract when he came in. I haven't seen anywhere said that he has signed an extension, just confirmation that he is contracted until 2024.

I might be completely wrong and have missed something somewhere though.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 10:27:43
Its been said to death but this season was very much a free hit for Garner, his remit from Clem and Co was always to avoid relegation and clearly on that front he's been able to deliver that. Obviously the way the season ended up going and with the standard of players we were able to sign, finishing around 10th does seem a huge disappointment. There were huge positives, our early season away form, run to the third round of the cup, the big wins over Northampton and Walsall did show that we had it in our locker at times. But on the other side of the coin there were far too many turgid displays, mainly at home. Based on what we saw this season it's clear that Garner doesn't (yet) have a huge tactical play book, to his credit he ditched the 5 at the back to the 4 which seemed to provide an upturn in form albeit briefly. Given where we were with 10 games left, it's a huge disappointment that we haven't made a better fist of promotion, especially given the sides in league 1 next season would provide huge crowds consistently at the CG.

Next season it will be interesting to see how ambitious Clem and Rob are, surely the remit has to be for promotion. Its likely to be another rebuild but I think this is good that the Ben's can hopefully build a strong squad of talented players keeping an eye on the loan market - this season's loans, Gilbert aside were a success. Like others, let's give Garner next season and take stock when Nov/December comes. If he can add more tactical nous and intensity into our home performances then I think he'll do well. Clearly the natives are already restless and a poor start to next season isn't going to go down well.

Good post BO, very balanced.

I would not be remotely upset to see Garner go. Having said that, I’ll not be devestated if he’s here next season. I’m the perpetual fence sitter on this


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 10:29:26
I wasn't aware that Garner had just signed an extension, the way I read it was that he signed a 3 year contract when he came in. I haven't seen anywhere said that he has signed an extension, just confirmation that he is contracted until 2024.

I might be completely wrong and have missed something somewhere though.

You are correct


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 11:14:06
You are correct

Not going completely mad then


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, April 21, 2022, 14:15:28
Not going completely mad then
Has that been confirmed ?.


Title: Re: Swindon Town v L’Orient pre match and match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Friday, April 22, 2022, 09:17:43
Has that been confirmed ?.

Completely not completely - i'll take that at this stage