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Title: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:01:14
Opinions vary on the current state of the club, but I don't think anyone disagrees that it is certainly in the doldrums. Whether that's an understatement is a subject of much debate, (or mass-debate for some of the gloom mongers) but by way of a gallows humour counterpoint, I thought I'd start a generic "I know we're shit but it could be a lot worse" thread to point out the examples of owners worse than Power (they do exist) and clubs in a worse state. I'll kick things off with the Twitter cockwaver (literally) who is currently all set to take the League's oldest established club out of the League:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/jan/26/alan-hardy-notts-county-league-two-football-league

(This is a slightly more indepth look at how his behaviour is likely to spell doom for County than the knob joke he has made himself into)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:06:35
Digressing slightly but I noticed a town fan who had a rant on twitter after we lost to Crawley to have a moan about Power. The final words on his tweet in capitals were 'IM GIVING UP'. I had a quick look at his bio which states "Swindon til I die".


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:14:08
Digressing slightly but I noticed a town fan who had a rant on twitter after we lost to Crawley to have a moan about Power. The final words on his tweet in capitals were 'IM GIVING UP'. I had a quick look at his bio which states "Swindon til I die".

 :clap:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:23:16
Opinions vary on the current state of the club, but I don't think anyone disagrees that it is certainly in the doldrums. Whether that's an understatement is a subject of much debate, (or mass-debate for some of the gloom mongers) but by way of a gallows humour counterpoint, I thought I'd start a generic "I know we're shit but it could be a lot worse" thread to point out the examples of owners worse than Power (they do exist) and clubs in a worse state. I'll kick things off with the Twitter cockwaver (literally) who is currently all set to take the League's oldest established club out of the League:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/jan/26/alan-hardy-notts-county-league-two-football-league

(This is a slightly more indepth look at how his behaviour is likely to spell doom for County than the knob joke he has made himself into)
Was also reading about Oldham, they want Scholes in as manager but he wants guarantees there will be no interference in team selection.  Apparently the temp manager picked the team promptly told to change it by the chairman!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:30:42
Opinions vary on the current state of the club, but I don't think anyone disagrees that it is certainly in the doldrums. Whether that's an understatement is a subject of much debate, (or mass-debate for some of the gloom mongers) but by way of a gallows humour counterpoint, I thought I'd start a generic "I know we're shit but it could be a lot worse" thread to point out the examples of owners worse than Power (they do exist) and clubs in a worse state. I'll kick things off with the Twitter cockwaver (literally) who is currently all set to take the League's oldest established club out of the League:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/jan/26/alan-hardy-notts-county-league-two-football-league

(This is a slightly more indepth look at how his behaviour is likely to spell doom for County than the knob joke he has made himself into)

Thing is with Big Alan, he does seem to have put cash into the club which is what many of our fans think is all that is required for success.

Digressing slightly but I noticed a town fan who had a rant on twitter after we lost to Crawley to have a moan about Power. The final words on his tweet in capitals were 'IM GIVING UP'. I had a quick look at his bio which states "Swindon til I die".

I hope someone has checked he is OK, could have been a cry for help.....


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:43:05
  Interesting to read about something I've pointed out before, how Nottingham football has traditionally had fans who would go and watch Notts and Forest.  For a recent home game County dropped admission to a couple of quid and got 15K

Further, interesting to read that Notts fell away last season because of the loss of loan players

At least Wellens seems to get that you cannot reliably build a promotion side on having too many in key positions.... whether he can convince Power that having our own players will need to be financed is moot.

For me we've now entered the terrain where we can't be too sentimental about who drops..... it's dog eat dog.  Power might not be the world's worst owner, but he has reduced us to the present state, and as such leaves little wriggle room.

Both Notts (if they are to go) and Spireites last season have shown, you can have bigger budgets, seemingly doing OK and then drop due to getting a few strategic decisions wrong.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 28, 2019, 12:53:46
I can't imagine there'd be a full house if we had a free entry game. There's very much an apathy in Swindon to the local club, too many armchair prem fans. The late 60s the gates would average around 25% of the towns population (purely estimating), compared to around 2.5% of the towns population today. Shame.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:10:11
Apathy is a very good word to describe how things are at the moment at the County Ground.

As we all know, the atmosphere has been dead for years, not helped of course by our shocking home performances and results. I was listening to the Loathed Strangers Podcast this morning and at the start, they have a raucous rendition of "Come on you Reds" which I do remember used to echo around the County Ground whenever we were awarded a corner. Now whenever we get a corner there is just a general collective muttering, as fans know we will fuck the thing up.

It can't be easy for the players given the lack of backing they are getting. We were quite patient on Saturday but after about 35 minutes this changed and every misplaced pass was berated.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:18:44
Digressing slightly but I noticed a town fan who had a rant on twitter after we lost to Crawley to have a moan about Power. The final words on his tweet in capitals were 'IM GIVING UP'. I had a quick look at his bio which states "Swindon til I die".
:D brilliant!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:19:50
Was also reading about Oldham, they want Scholes in as manager but he wants guarantees there will be no interference in team selection.  Apparently the temp manager picked the team promptly told to change it by the chairman!
Pre match on Saturday Wellens said that he has way way more freedom under Power to sign players and pick the team than he had at Oldham previously.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:23:38
Apathy is a very good word to describe how things are at the moment at the County Ground.

Yup. Need a cause to get behind, but feels like we are drifting into nothingness.

But...

At least Oxford, Rovers and Reading give hope that the season isn't a total shitshow.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:26:19
Apathy is a very good word to describe how things are at the moment at the County Ground.

As we all know, the atmosphere has been dead for years, not helped of course by our shocking home performances and results. I was listening to the Loathed Strangers Podcast this morning and at the start, they have a raucous rendition of "Come on you Reds" which I do remember used to echo around the County Ground whenever we were awarded a corner. Now whenever we get a corner there is just a general collective muttering, as fans know we will fuck the thing up.

It can't be easy for the players given the lack of backing they are getting. We were quite patient on Saturday but after about 35 minutes this changed and every misplaced pass was berated.

What's the atmosphere like amongst our fans at away games? My last away game was at Southampton when Austin scored for a 1-0 win.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:29:04
What's the atmosphere like amongst our fans at away games? My last away game was at Southampton when Austin scored for a 1-0 win.

I've not been since Crawley. Which was ok at best.


Title: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:30:53
I've not been since notts county, which had a load of Tommy Robinson cunts there.

other than that, ok at best


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:31:24
I can't imagine there'd be a full house if we had a free entry game. There's very much an apathy in Swindon to the local club, too many armchair prem fans. The late 60s the gates would average around 25% of the towns population (purely estimating), compared to around 2.5% of the towns population today. Shame.

That would suggest around 30k crowds in the late 60's early 70's?

Yup. Need a cause to get behind, but feels like we are drifting into nothingness.

But...

At least Oxford, Rovers and Reading give hope that the season isn't a total shitshow.

Don't we have a cause 'Power Out!'


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:34:10
Don't we have a cause 'Power Out!'

Billionaire In! #projectPositive


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:41:02
I think I'm pretty much done. Walked away this season over signing of McCormick and apart from the first couple of games I haven't missed it. I'm going to watch Supermarine and really enjoying it. I haven't enjoyed Town for a while now. There are so many things that I'm pissed off about but a lot of these are about league football in general and not specific to Town.
Can't see me coming back (even part time or big games) in the forseeable future - 47 years and out.
Will still spout my bollocks on the non STFC bits on here though.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:44:27
Apathy is a very good word to describe how things are at the moment at the County Ground.

As we all know, the atmosphere has been dead for years, not helped of course by our shocking home performances and results. I was listening to the Loathed Strangers Podcast this morning and at the start, they have a raucous rendition of "Come on you Reds" which I do remember used to echo around the County Ground whenever we were awarded a corner. Now whenever we get a corner there is just a general collective muttering, as fans know we will fuck the thing up.

It can't be easy for the players given the lack of backing they are getting. We were quite patient on Saturday but after about 35 minutes this changed and every misplaced pass was berated.
Apathy is a perfect word to decribe Swindon fans at the moment and probably for the last 15 years or more with one short interlude in Di Canio where he seemed to unite fans with his pre and post match war cries to the press.

He was a very public figure who knows to to inpire and motivate fans (and players too apparently) with just a few words, the difference wass that EVERYTHING PdC said was reported in the press, not just in Swindon but much further afield in the national and often international press too, absolutely everything he said.

Because he was more friendly with the press and was a huge figure in football the press were never far behind him quoting everything he said, good and bad, waiting for him to say something inspiring or offensive, but they were there.

The fans felt more of a part of the club because he constantly told them they were, he was always praising the fans, the fans felt he wanted to be with us and felt that together we would go places as a club, fans and on the pitch.

With the greatest respect to MacDonald, Cooper, Williams, Flipflop, Brown and Wellens they will never be followed by the press so will never have the opportunity to do what PdC did with the press.

He could manipulate them for his and the clubs benefits at times.

Whatever you think of the man as a person he was a great self publicist and motivational speaker but the press were always there for him to have an outlet.

So under him the fans felt they were part of the club, most of that was because of his communication with the fans.

Fans nowadays rely upon good communication which seems to be a little better under Wellens but the fans will never really feel a part of the club until they feel appreciated by the club, almost mollycoddled to be told we are great all the time and truly appreciated.

Wellens has praised the fans at many away games and said they are fantastic but rarely if any times has he praised the home supporters, the vast maority of the fans that actually see us play.

When we watch on iFollow or listen on the radio we do not generally hear the negativity when things don't go our way early in games, the constant moaning and muttering and often no more than 2 or 3 fans at a time, ut when you actually attend games you hear these things much more and they aften seem to come from the same group of maybe 50 people, this happens at every game I attend, its always the same ones. Most Town fans are very patient and at times deservedly like a moan but some fans would not be happy with 5-0 wins every week they would want more.

Sorry I have rambled enough I probably don't make mush sense, as usual.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:48:28
That would suggest around 30k crowds in the late 60's early 70's?
Swindons poulation in 1961 was 82,000.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 28, 2019, 13:53:12
That would suggest around 30k crowds in the late 60's early 70's?


Yeah, should be 15%. Based on 1971 pop of 117k. Equivalent now would be us getting crowds of 33,000   ;D


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:01:16
What's the atmosphere like amongst our fans at away games?

 Generally decent... you do get the regulars who are there for a day out come what may, so there are all the little rituals.

 Further if you've 400 at say Macc, then you can create some atmosphere, whereas it would get lost in much bigger grounds.

 I reckon a lot of the away regulars wouldn't mind too much going to non league, as new grounds and you still get things like away fans drinking in the clubhouse bar.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bewster on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:32:49
I was listening to the Loathed Strangers Podcast this morning and at the start, they have a raucous rendition of "Come on you Reds" which I do remember used to echo around the County Ground whenever we were awarded a corner. Now whenever we get a corner there is just a general collective muttering, as fans know we will fuck the thing up.

I was just thinking this the other day.

My son keeps on getting asked to go to Pompey games as its our local team. I just know the atmosphere will be electric and he will realise what it could/should be like.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:39:00
Swindons poulation in 1961 was 82,000.

1971 117k


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:39:36
I was just thinking this the other day.

My son keeps on getting asked to go to Pompey games as its our local team. I just know the atmosphere will be electric and he will realise what it could/should be like.
My mate is a season ticket holder at Pompey and has been for 30+ years and he says the atmosphere is a damp squib this season desipte their position in the league, barely one or 2 Po,pey chimes all game at the moment which is so unlike them.

I would encourage him to have another team as following just Swindon is not good for his health or sanity!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:42:14
Don't worry PV, you always make mush sense mate! :)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:43:45
My mate is a season ticket holder at Pompey and has been for 30+ years and he says the atmosphere is a damp squib this season desipte their position in the league, barely one or 2 Po,pey chimes all game at the moment which is so unlike them.

I would encourage him to have another team as following just Swindon is not good for his health or sanity!

That does surprise me. Does he ever mention why he thinks that is? I always presumed it would be rocking, especially the season they are having and having come back from pretty much where we are now.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:48:58
1971 117k
TBF thats a pretty big rise on population in just the 1960s of about 45%. (obviously changing the subject somewhat) so Town gates didn't rise in proportion to population either.

Some more about it here.

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:53:00
That does surprise me. Does he ever mention why he thinks that is? I always presumed it would be rocking, especially the season they are having and having come back from pretty much where we are now.
Yes it shocked me too, Pompey used to be a place I hated to visit as an opposing fan let alone the players in such an intimidating atmosphere of Fratton. They still average about 18k but he sayd the atmosphere is flat, but then after what hes been used to it is still probably fairly good.

He didn't actually suggest why but he did say the style of play of Kenny Jacketts side is more about getting results over entertainment.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bewster on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:53:50
My mate is a season ticket holder at Pompey and has been for 30+ years and he says the atmosphere is a damp squib this season desipte their position in the league, barely one or 2 Po,pey chimes all game at the moment which is so unlike them.

I would encourage him to have another team as following just Swindon is not good for his health or sanity!

Chap that works for me is a Pompey Season Ticket holder and he said it is pretty normal for Pompey. Not helped by the lack of away fans or the expectation to always win maybe ??


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:55:20
I think my statement about comparison to previous seasons could be valid looking at this chart.

https://www.footballgroundmap.com/stats/grounds/ratings/atmosphere/england/league-1

Interestingly Swindon comes 13th in L2!

https://www.footballgroundmap.com/stats/grounds/ratings/atmosphere/england/league-2

Not helped by the lack of away fans or the expectation to always win maybe ??
Absolutely, but most clubs do take a decent following to FP as they are the biggest side on that division this season other than Sunderland who I would say are comparable.

And yes I do agree that Pompey fans expectations are massive.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 28, 2019, 14:59:10
TBF thats a pretty big rise on population in just the 1960s of about 45%. (obviously changing the subject somewhat) so Town gates didn't rise in proportion to population either.

Some more about it here.

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318

Ha, mid to low mid table


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, January 28, 2019, 15:01:14
I think I'm pretty much done. Walked away this season over signing of McCormick and apart from the first couple of games I haven't missed it. I'm going to watch Supermarine and really enjoying it. I haven't enjoyed Town for a while now. There are so many things that I'm pissed off about but a lot of these are about league football in general and not specific to Town.
Can't see me coming back (even part time or big games) in the forseeable future - 47 years and out.
Will still spout my bollocks on the non STFC bits on here though.

That's a sad read but totally understandable.

I was sick of it at the end of Lukes reign and just stopped going to the last few games.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, January 28, 2019, 15:10:59
My mate is a season ticket holder at Pompey and has been for 30+ years and he says the atmosphere is a damp squib this season desipte their position in the league, barely one or 2 Po,pey chimes all game at the moment which is so unlike them.

I would encourage him to have another team as following just Swindon is not good for his health or sanity!

This is really interesting - as I've mentioned before, I watch Watford fairly regularly (4-5 times a season) and away from home it's so refreshing to be involved in a big, positive, proud away following. Palace away a fortnight ago was fantastic. Can definitely see how people slip and slide to new allegiances.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 15:14:12
Can definitely see how people slip and slide to new allegiances.
Most definately, I just couldn't follow another team though, I go to games locally to me in Somerset/Devon and at bigger grounds from time to time but I personally feel detatched from the experience, a bit like when I see England play, but I fully understand fans wanting to follow bigger better teams as well, teams that win games regularly! reflected glory :D


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 28, 2019, 15:24:50
Who knows, I have been very meh about football generally for a few seasons now, not sure if that is just down to Town or the general cesspit the game has become in terms of cheating and overall bollocks.

Being an exile I only get to 1 or 2 Town games a year, however I get to a fair few non-league games, over the years I have had time following fairly regularly (at home) Gateshead and Lancaster City and less so Workington, need to get myself to a Barrow game this season.

I cannot be arsed with football, whether a Town revival would help who knows.... at least I am not that Spurs lass crying on Twitter.... Video had to be taken down as lots of pervy men started DM'ing the poor lass


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, January 28, 2019, 15:44:49
This is really interesting - as I've mentioned before, I watch Watford fairly regularly (4-5 times a season) and away from home it's so refreshing to be involved in a big, positive, proud away following. Palace away a fortnight ago was fantastic. Can definitely see how people slip and slide to new allegiances.
I am the same Panda. I have always had a soft spot for Liverpool but over the years could just never justify going to a Liverpool game if Town were playing whether that be home or away. That has changed the last 3-4 years and it hurts me to say that the whole match day experience i enjoy more. Still never really celebrate goals at Liverpool properly and will never have the same buzz


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 28, 2019, 15:57:55
In my twenties I would watch almost every live TV game, watch Match of the Day every week etc. I used to love going to Town games (due to living abroad) and really had the buzz.

For about 5 years now, that buzz has gone, I barely watch any live games anymore and often going to see Swindon is proving more of a chore than something I enjoy.

Living in London I have been to a couple of Fulham and Spurs games (going on Wednesday at home v Watford) which I enjoy, only because the standard of football is so high. I 'cheer' on Fulham but its never the same as when Swindon score, it never will be.

the Sky era has more or less sucked the enjoyment out of football these days.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bewster on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:12:23
I'm glad I'm not the only one who is a bit Meh about football. I still avidly follow the Town, go to a few games, more away than home but the whole buzz that was here in the PDC era has long gone. Back in the 80s, 90s, 00s I used to go to games and really expected to win. Nowadays I just hope we don't lose.

As already stated I think football has changed as a whole and spoilt completely by money. The gulf between the rich and the poor has grown to a level where it is so extreme that it has sucked the life out of the domestic cup competitions.

I've been thinking about going to MK and thought I'd take in Bletchley Park with the boy. I'm more excited about planning the trip and visiting BP than the game itself. Read into that what you will.   


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:13:17
Great, another wankfest over who goes the least.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:14:12
Great, another wankfest over who goes the least.

I could win that one, though.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:18:57
I could win that one, though.

Not sure about that.... on reflection I am not sure when I actually last went.....


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:19:40
I could win that one, though.

Ahem! ...


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:20:18
Great, another wankfest over who goes the least.

I think that's part of the problem, we have all reached a certain age where we have no fests in life, just kids and discussions about second hand cars, mortgages and thermostats   :D :hmmm:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:25:37
the Sky era has more or less sucked the enjoyment out of football these days.

I'm not sure it has. Over a life time of fandom, there will always be changes to how you see it.  

So there have been times when due to circumstances I've barely missed a game, then other times when it's not really fitted the lifestyle, so would only do highdays and holidays.

I'm not as rabid as when a lad, but still get the buzz.

However it's quite rare these days to find those with a lifetime commitment, more common are those who maybe go for a bit when things are promising but flake off, when the going gets tough, and become armchair and probably follow a Prem side.

They'll prob only go and watch said Prem side once in a blue moon, esp if Man City, but will talk about it in the pub.

You can see it on here, and of course it's reflected in the gates.

I know a few who are similar about other lower league clubs, and it's always fun to take the piss out of plastic Prem followers.



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:29:36
Great, another wankfest over who goes the least.
Hang on. You made a point of telling everyone when you were going to reading games?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 28, 2019, 16:59:44
I only attend to get a beer off The Flash  :pint:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 28, 2019, 17:55:46
Hang on. You made a point of telling everyone when you were going to reading games?

Yeah I do on the odd occasion as it's 10 minutes from my house and a lot of mates are Reading supporters - but I still watch the Town. In fact watching Reading makes me appreciate Town a lot more! I've never watched Reading when Town were at home.

There's a general vibe, particularly on Twitter, that people love talking about how much they dont go anymore. I don't even think it's true seeing as we're still getting around about 6k (ish).


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, January 28, 2019, 18:00:12
Yeah I do on the odd occasion as it's 10 minutes from my house and a lot of mates are Reading supporters - but I still watch the Town. In fact watching Reading makes me appreciate Town a lot more! I've never watched Reading when Town were at home.

There's a general vibe, particularly on Twitter, that people love talking about how much they dont go anymore. I don't even think it's true seeing as we're still getting around about 6k (ish).

I still watch Town whenever I can, and would love to go more.

It's still interesting to me to hear people talk about watching other teams, comparing the experience etc.

That's quite some over-reaction from you...


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 28, 2019, 18:35:16
Quote from: Flashheart
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Great, another wankfest over who goes the least.
I could win that one, though.

where's DV when you need him


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 28, 2019, 19:10:08
I could win that one, though.

where's DV when you need him

I thought he was Rocking Robin?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, January 28, 2019, 19:33:13
 Oh boo hoo, Swindon arenít doing very well so Iím going to stop going and go watch some other more successful teams instead or do something else

Pathetic

Actually, thatís harsh. Will edit

If/when Swindon town football clubs starts being competitive, winning games and making headlines for on the pitch achievements again, these fans will return and/or be replaced

Sunrise, sunset. Cats in the cradle and a silver spoon.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, January 28, 2019, 19:42:13
I might be adopting a Thai team when the new season starts. That's nothing to do with Swindon's performance, though.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 19:46:31
I might be adopting a Thai team when the new season starts. That's nothing to do with Swindon's performance, though.
Teams in other countries who will never play vs Swindon competitively have always been exempt :D

Actually what is the standard like over there?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 28, 2019, 19:46:56
I was worried when moving abroad about missing Swindon, but they went and streamed all the games for me.  It's been horrific - watched more games than I have done since 1993-97 period in quite probably our worst period.

I have enjoyed the Atlanta Utd games mind, the atmosphere is pretty good and the stadium is insane.   I do wonder how it will change when they have a poor season though - for now, they remain really positive even if behind and playing badly - will that remain when it's 46 games after 46 games of mediocrity?  I guess not.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, January 28, 2019, 20:06:31
Actually what is the standard like over there?

No idea to be honest.

I'm mostly going for the craic. Booze will be consumed.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 20:13:09
No idea to be honest.

I'm mostly going for the craic. Booze will be consumed.
Hopefully you will let us know how it is if you can indeed remember! foreign leagues are very interesting, seeing what sort of crowd is there, if there is any atmosphere and the quality of the actual football played, very interesting stuff, also what beer they have other than Singha!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, January 28, 2019, 20:15:58
No idea to be honest.

I'm mostly going for the craic. Booze will be consumed.
WTF is the craic?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 28, 2019, 20:17:36
WTF is the craic?


Quote
Craic - pronounced as crack.
Irish word for fun/enjoyment that has been brought into the English language. usu. when mixed with alcohol and/or music.
'Bhi craic agus ceol againn' : We had fun and music.
Fun doesn't really cut it though. General banter, good times had by all.
Also, a person who is good fun/great company.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, January 28, 2019, 20:21:49
It can also take on another meaning if headed to a red-light district.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 09:41:08
Oh boo hoo, Swindon arenít doing very well so Iím going to stop going and go watch some other more successful teams instead or do something else

Pathetic

Actually, thatís harsh. Will edit

If/when Swindon town football clubs starts being competitive, winning games and making headlines for on the pitch achievements again, these fans will return and/or be replaced

Sunrise, sunset. Cats in the cradle and a silver spoon.
I think the difference these days is that people are actively watching other teams these days.I am still going to games to be fair just not as many. I find myself sitting there bored now or listening to fans arguing. That's pathetic


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 10:01:47
Started going to watch Banbury United a fair bit, really enjoyable, stand at the side with a beer etc. Not doing too bad in the league too.

And yes, they still hate Jed.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 10:18:36
Started going to watch Banbury United a fair bit, really enjoyable, stand at the side with a beer etc. Not doing too bad in the league too.

And yes, they still hate Jed.

Is Jed still involved at Solihull Moors? They are flying high in the Conference and we could well be playing them next season.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 10:28:42
I think the difference these days is that people are actively watching other teams these days.I am still going to games to be fair just not as many. I find myself sitting there bored now or listening to fans arguing. That's pathetic

I still watch Town as often as possible, but living 120 miles away and having access to cheap/free tickets at Watford makes it a pretty good substitute.

Your point about listening to fans argue is interesting. I remember away at AFC Wimbledon a couple of years ago being the worst, but for the last 3-4 season, our fans are so, so negative. Constantly bickering, constantly berating the players. Doesn't stop me going, but does make me think twice sometimes as it's just not an enjoyable atmosphere.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 11:09:59
I still watch Town as often as possible, but living 120 miles away and having access to cheap/free tickets at Watford makes it a pretty good substitute.

Your point about listening to fans argue is interesting. I remember away at AFC Wimbledon a couple of years ago being the worst, but for the last 3-4 season, our fans are so, so negative. Constantly bickering, constantly berating the players. Doesn't stop me going, but does make me think twice sometimes as it's just not an enjoyable atmosphere.
I am the same, living 120 (driving) miles away myself I only attend the local games to me, when well enough so just Yeovil, Exeter and Bournemouth (when we played them) unless I am in the locality already on a trip and a very few home games, but when I go the bickering and moaning from our own fans can indeed put me off, I find if I am sat close to the moaners I will move.

The whole atmosphere at home games especially so, the moaning seems to catch on quickly if we concede but as I stated earlier in this thread...for some being top of the table and winning 5-0 they would still moan and complain, its just when it catches on when we missplace a pass or go a goal down it annoys me much more.

As an example, the last home game I went to some bloke in his 40s stood fairly close to me shouted insults and booed every time Woolery touched the ball shouting stuff like "fuck off back to Wigan (of Forest Green) every single time, he was the same with Bayo too, "fuck off back to Fulham you useless wanker" and actually booed before he even touched the ball.

When the atmosphere is so quiet I am sure some of that must get to the players ears as he always made sure he shouted loudest when it was quietest.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 11:21:41

Your point about listening to fans argue is interesting. I remember away at AFC Wimbledon a couple of years ago being the worst, but for the last 3-4 season, our fans are so, so negative. Constantly bickering, constantly berating the players. Doesn't stop me going, but does make me think twice sometimes as it's just not an enjoyable atmosphere.

Full disclosure, I have not set foot in the theatre of nightmares for probably 15-20 years but from the various description which regularly appear on here to suggesting little positive atmosphere, getting on players backs very quickly it sounds fairly fucking toxic these days, could this explain our piss poor home form?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 11:57:01
Is Jed still involved at Solihull Moors? They are flying high in the Conference and we could well be playing them next season.

No, dont think so. The old oxford chairman is.

Jeds at worcester warriors


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 11:57:23
Is Jed still involved at Solihull Moors? They are flying high in the Conference and we could well be playing them next season.
No, he was last seen at Worcester RFU


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 11:58:13
No, he was last seen at Worcester RFU

Rrrrroooooaaaaaarrrrrrr


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:02:26
Full disclosure, I have not set foot in the theatre of nightmares for probably 15-20 years but from the various description which regularly appear on here to suggesting little positive atmosphere, getting on players backs very quickly it sounds fairly fucking toxic these days, could this explain our piss poor home form?

The whole atmosphere at home games especially so, the moaning seems to catch on quickly if we concede but as I stated earlier in this thread...for some being top of the table and winning 5-0 they would still moan and complain, its just when it catches on when we missplace a pass or go a goal down it annoys me much more.

As an example, the last home game I went to some bloke in his 40s stood fairly close to me shouted insults and booed every time Woolery touched the ball shouting stuff like "fuck off back to Wigan (of Forest Green) every single time, he was the same with Bayo too, "fuck off back to Fulham you useless wanker" and actually booed before he even touched the ball.

When the atmosphere is so quiet I am sure some of that must get to the players ears as he always made sure he shouted loudest when it was quietest.

This sort of ritual "abuse" of our own players has happened on each of  the last 6 home games I have been to over the last couple of years.

The players don't even need to be playing badly to get abuse from several members of the crowd, its just a natural thing with some fans to moan, shout insults and abuse our own players every single game.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:17:12
I am the same, living 120 (driving) miles away myself I only attend the local games to me, when well enough so just Yeovil, Exeter and Bournemouth (when we played them) unless I am in the locality already on a trip and a very few home games, but when I go the bickering and moaning from our own fans can indeed put me off, I find if I am sat close to the moaners I will move.

The whole atmosphere at home games especially so, the moaning seems to catch on quickly if we concede but as I stated earlier in this thread...for some being top of the table and winning 5-0 they would still moan and complain, its just when it catches on when we missplace a pass or go a goal down it annoys me much more.

As an example, the last home game I went to some bloke in his 40s stood fairly close to me shouted insults and booed every time Woolery touched the ball shouting stuff like "fuck off back to Wigan (of Forest Green) every single time, he was the same with Bayo too, "fuck off back to Fulham you useless wanker" and actually booed before he even touched the ball.

When the atmosphere is so quiet I am sure some of that must get to the players ears as he always made sure he shouted loudest when it was quietest.

Fans have always moaned since the year dot, and has been like that at the few clubs I've been to as a neutral, some ridiculously so.  Remember being at the City Ground circa 78.  Near end of season , Forest had just been presented with the league title and were playing Brum.... terrible game and ended 0-0.   It was McGovern you're useless, O'Neil  fucking donkey,  Barrett why don't you piss off and sign for Swindon (I made that bit up).  They went on and won two European Cups.

For many they're not even aware they're doing it... it's a kind of catharsis.  If you work in a difficult job, perhaps have unsatisfying personal relationships, it's a socially acceptable way to vent some bad feelings.

Watching Town at the CG for the last couple of years has certainly been a vintage period for those of a moaning tendency.  My take, is at least they're still there, unlike the moaners about moaners who use that as an excuse to lapse.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:21:28
Fans have always moaned since the year dot, and has been like that at the few clubs I've been to as a neutral, some ridiculously so.  Remember being at the City Ground circa 78.  Near end of season , Forest had just been presented with the league title and were playing Brum.... terrible game and ended 0-0.   It was McGovern you're useless, O'Neil  fucking donkey,  Barrett why don't you piss off and sign for Swindon (I made that bit up).  They went on and won two European Cups.

For many they're not even aware they're doing it... it's a kind of catharsis.  If you work in a difficult job, perhaps have unsatisfying personal relationships, it's a socially acceptable way to vent some bad feelings.

Watching Town at the CG for the last couple of years has certainly been a vintage period for those of a moaning tendency.  My take, is at least they're still there, unlike the moaners about moaners who use that as an excuse to lapse.
Oh I agree, fans have and will always moan, but the bloke that I was pointing out is a shouter, constantly, all game and even when we score he won't cheer. He stands not far from the Flash in the Town End.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:31:48
Oh I agree, fans have and will always moan, but the bloke that I was pointing out is a shouter, constantly, all game and even when we score he won't cheer. He stands not far from the Flash in the Town End.

There'll always be some who aren't the full ticket.... in a big crowd they're less obvious, but in say nowadays TE, they're very obvious.  If it really gets on your wick, then move.... there's plenty of space.   Probably better than trying the voice of reason.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:31:49
Does he wear a cap?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:33:17
Does he wear a cap?  :sherlock:
No but he is mid 40's chubby and shaved head with a slight wanabee goatee, I think he is a season ticket holder, which considering the way he moans how much he hates the players, the club and Power is ironic.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:45:14
I still watch Town as often as possible, but living 120 miles away and having access to cheap/free tickets at Watford makes it a pretty good substitute.

Your point about listening to fans argue is interesting. I remember away at AFC Wimbledon a couple of years ago being the worst, but for the last 3-4 season, our fans are so, so negative. Constantly bickering, constantly berating the players. Doesn't stop me going, but does make me think twice sometimes as it's just not an enjoyable atmosphere.
Thing is it is both sides and it now transfers to twitter and on here. Literally bickering like fuck, you can't even moan at a player without being moaned at any more. I remember shouting out for fuck sake about a wayward pass by Knoyle and some idiot abusing me about being unsupportive  ::)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:46:50
Dickhead who sits a couple of rows behind me, his record before getting on Norris back last season was 32 seconds.

Moaning twat


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:48:52

As an example, the last home game I went to some bloke in his 40s stood fairly close to me shouted insults and booed every time Woolery touched the ball shouting stuff like "fuck off back to Wigan (of Forest Green) every single time, he was the same with Bayo too, "fuck off back to Fulham you useless wanker" and actually booed before he even touched the ball.


Looking at the players he is singling out it does hint that there might be another reason for his specific abuse  :hmmm: :hmmm:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:52:50
Dickhead who sits a couple of rows behind me, his record before getting on Norris back last season was 32 seconds.

Moaning twat

A little off topic, but 11ish years back we went to Stockport v. Swindon as part of my stag weekend, with a few lads attending who had never been to a football match before.

Within about 5 mins of kick off there was a bloke behind us who berated Aljofree (who was useless that day to be honest), he spent the whole match shouting 'Aljofree you are a fucking disgrace' etc in the most stereotypical Wiltshire accent it was frankly embarrassing although my mates thought it was hilarious and completely supported the opinion they always had of me as a fucking yokel.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 12:55:45
I remember a game yonks ago when I was stood close to some bloke giving Kerslake shit from Kick-off to the final whistle. He was relentless.

Kerslake wasn't even playing in that match. 


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 13:05:15
Thing is it is both sides and it now transfers to twitter and on here. Literally bickering like fuck, you can't even moan at a player without being moaned at any more. I remember shouting out for fuck sake about a wayward pass by Knoyle and some idiot abusing me about being unsupportive  ::)

There's an obvious common sense approach though - everyone has a pop from time to time, in frustration, but continuous abuse of our own players and staff is just weird and massively off-putting for me. AFC Wimbledon away 2 years ago, with the away end behind the dugout, was just a constant toxic tirade towards the bench by a fairly sized minority.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 13:14:22
Person at work, goes about 3-4 times a season, and even heís pointed out how the fans seem to be silent until they can start getting on the players backs


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 13:16:35
I had some twat tell me to sit down once, I was actually walking down the steps to go to the bogs, and I hadn't even stopped. They got some chops back ;D


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 13:19:12
I've never known the ground to be so quiet.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 14:51:55
Interesting comments - what I can deduce from them is that if we were allowed to sell beer you can take to your seats, and allow unrestricted seating around the ground, everyone would enjoy the games regardless of standard of football?  There can be no other explanation for watching Swindon Supermarine and enjoying it - whichever way you cut it, the football is worse than even Saturday's performance by both teams.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 14:53:08
Oh, and interestingly, for me, the Atlanta Utd MLS Final game had 73,000 fans stood for the entire game, even in the top tier, drinking beer and a large section is unrestricted seating.  They seemed happy, but they did win I guess.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 15:11:26
Interesting comments - what I can deduce from them is that if we were allowed to sell beer you can take to your seats, and allow unrestricted seating around the ground, everyone would enjoy the games regardless of standard of football?  There can be no other explanation for watching Swindon Supermarine and enjoying it - whichever way you cut it, the football is worse than even Saturday's performance by both teams.

Those that don't fancy the moaners at football, might give egg chasing a go.  Here you can still drink beer and watch, and anything other than support for all and sundry is definitely not the done thing.  They even shut up for opposition pen kicks.

Doubtless, you can get a decent cup of espresso or some such muck at half time.... rather than Bovril.

Supermarine are too closely connected to Justin Tomlinson and Wonga for my taste.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 15:44:27
The default position of "moaners" have always been and thus always will is simplifying the issue.

A lot of people are being discouraged from watching Town because the constant stream of negativity makes it less fun. It's not always been so, and I'm not talking about moaning, I'm talking about constant, unfounded abuse.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 15:48:42
The simple fact is that large number of fans will only put up with watching shite for so long. Season after season of dreadful home form has taken its toll.

Itís a wonder we still get 6,000 tbh.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 15:54:45
I wonder if we were doing well, would the crowd increase. I probably doubt it would considerably.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 16:06:00
I wonder if we were doing well, would the crowd increase. I probably doubt it would considerably.
The only valid comparison recently is that under PdC the crowd rarely dropped under 8k with 4 games being well over 10k.

Success brings crowds, I think considering the shit served up in the last few years over 6k average is bloody good going, if we got to the play off positions I think we would again get 8k with possibly 11k for the actual play off home leg.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 16:18:37
PDC probably not a fair comparison, probably pulled in a few hammers and curious nuterals given he's bat shit crazy.

Wellens hasn't got that gravitas. Not yet.

even so, 7k+ should easily be achievable with a sustained run.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 16:22:02
Is Jed still involved at Solihull Moors? They are flying high in the Conference and we could well be playing them next season.

Nope, but I didn't realise that Tim Flowers is manager there.......


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 16:40:07
PDC probably not a fair comparison, probably pulled in a few hammers and curious nuterals given he's bat shit crazy.
It was only a fair comparison based upon us being in the same division and crwods while we are doing well, although you are probably right, whos to say Wellens doesn't bring in extra Leicester and Blackpool fans to see their former idol ;)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 16:47:23
Success brings crowds, I think considering the shit served up in the last few years over 6k average is bloody good going.

Exactly. Power needs to look after those that still go.... those that don't that's their business, but the home form needs improving.  After get out of jail wins in the first 2 against sides just up from the Conference...we've won 2 of the next 13, chuck in home defeats in both cups and it's a sorry state of affairs.

Wellens has 8 games to show some progress in this area.... I would say 4 wins is the minimum requirement, otherwise the atmosphere will get more toxic.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 16:53:38
Exactly. Power needs to look after those that still go.... those that don't that's their business, but the home form needs improving.  After get out of jail wins in the first 2 against sides just up from the Conference...we've won 2 of the next 13, chuck in home defeats in both cups and it's a sorry state of affairs.

Wellens has 8 games to show some progress in this area.... I would say 4 wins is the minimum requirement, otherwise the atmosphere will get more toxic.

Just out of interest how is Power supposed to do this, he has appointed a manager, provided support in the transfer market and a budget comparable with many in the league, not sure what else he can be expected to do?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 17:08:45
Just out of interest how is Power supposed to do this, he has appointed a manager, provided support in the transfer market and a budget comparable with many in the league, not sure what else he can be expected to do?

That's for Power to figure out.  If it was me, I think I'd look at the budget, and wonder if a way could be found of increasing it. Failing that I think I would question if I was the right person, to bring the 6000 or so what they want., and consider my position.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 17:36:10
That's for Power to figure out.  If it was me, I think I'd look at the budget, and wonder if a way could be found of increasing it. Failing that I think I would question if I was the right person, to bring the 6000 or so what they want., and consider my position.

Consider my position? He owns the bloody club whats he going to do give it to someone else?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 17:41:11
Coming from Reg, that's basically a "Power out!"


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 17:41:22
Consider my position? He owns the bloody club whats he going to do give it to someone else?

I'm not sure of its value, but if you fail to bring the required success, then look to sell it on.  Isn't that basic business practice?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 17:48:11
I'm not sure of its value, but if you fail to bring the required success, then look to sell it on.  Isn't that basic business practice?

Basic business would be making money out of ones investment, which a nice little training ground with a tenant paying rent, some houses (Although if the Council have any gumption they will tie  that up in knots via s.106) and a share in a redeveloped ground with 24/7/365 revenue all achieves.

We have been stagnant on the pitch for 3 years yet crowds are standing up, we can moan all we like but its up to him what he does with his investment, as the title of this thread shows, a quick look around suggests things could be a lot worse,  when you look at those clubs in dire straits and see the mobilisation of their fans, one has to wonder why the enthusiasm isn't here for similar, perhaps in the cold light of day its not as bad as the doom mongers suggest - I do not attend so I do not know?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 17:58:10
I'm not sure of its value, but if you fail to bring the required success, then look to sell it on.  Isn't that basic business practice?
Heís said it often enough. Heís not here to bring success. Heís here to make money.

If success comes it would be as a byproduct - not a priority.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 23:08:12
 Oldham losing and Newport drawing means we keep 12th place....  the battle at the top end between former Power bosses ended unsurprisingly honours even 1-1..  hopefully FGR may have picked up an injury or 2, as like us they're better away than home.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, January 30, 2019, 18:06:14
I'm not sure of its value, but if you fail to bring the required success, then look to sell it on.  Isn't that basic business practice?
But if its not turning a profit surely no one's going to want to invest ?.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 14:14:01
Returning the thread back to it's original purpose after the navel-gazing of the last 7 pages :)

At least we're not getting frequent flyer miles from the insolvency courts these days:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47150388


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 14:30:04
Bury FC and a winding up order? Iím so shocked!

Get them buckets out again lads!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 14:37:50
It is a fairy tale


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 14:53:47
Returning the thread back to it's original purpose after the navel-gazing of the last 7 pages :)

At least we're not getting frequent flyer miles from the insolvency courts these days:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47150388

On a procedural point, if the debt had been paid why did HMRC waste court time and money, why did they not just withdraw the petition....

Linked from the article this is quite an interesting read https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41083617 good to see Big Al from County get his say whilst keeping it in his pants!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 15:00:54
On a procedural point, if the debt had been paid why did HMRC waste court time and money, why did they not just withdraw the petition....

Linked from the article this is quite an interesting read https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41083617 good to see Big Al from County get his say whilst keeping it in his pants!

Dont need it out of your pants when its your screensaver... (if anyone still uses those)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 15:06:37
Dont need it out of your pants when its your screensaver... (if anyone still uses those)

Christ was it bounding round the screen like those old Windows screensavers?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 16:40:26
Christ was it bounding round the screen like those old Windows screensavers?

Ahh the old Windows 95 lock screen. Black background and each "bump" changed the colour (cyan, magenta, yellow...). You could also go into the settings and write your own message like "Dave's Away" but it was used for something more important than that. 12/13 year old geeks at senior school were provided with an opportunity to get their own back on the classroom bully by inputting "cocksucker" or "bender" on it. This also doubled up well if you popped in "Swedish Porn" on a google image search too. So as they were flummoxed at the lock screen message, as it disappeared they had a screen full of fanny. Which of course the IT teacher was already there as the "bully" had summoned the teacher over about the "issue" with their screen.

Obviously the net was also slower so it wasn't like you could close the tab quickly and there were no content filters (great idea, lets unleash the uncensored internet to a bunch of randy 14 year old boys!) either or if there were, they weren't very good.

Good times.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 18:22:33
Not school(but almost)

When I was an engineer we all had a pc back at the base. If you forgot to lock it when you went on a call, the  registry would be hacked and you'd boot up to a flashing red light with "gay porn alert" in large red letters with a nice siren noise the next morning.

When the new company intranet went live for the first time, we hacked that and replaced all the bosses profile photos with gifs from the muppet show. That really went down a storm :)

The all time fave was when  full network printing came in, and you could walk past any printer in any of  the offices and find multiple copies of  someone wanted a portion of sausage, and fast, usually accompanied by their full contact details including  home address..

Kids eh


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 7, 2019, 18:44:48
Haha brilliant! Imagine the world of shit you'd get in now. I'm considered a "PC, Leftie socialist" but if you can't have a bit of a chuckle now and again, even at someone else's expense, when can you?  :pint:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 13:39:58
Only a matter of time before Blackpool cropped up in this thread:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/13/blackpool-receivership-sale-risk-12-point-deduction


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 13:44:02
Difficult one for the EFL that.

A large part of the Blackpool situation is the ELF taking no interest/unable to act on the Oystens.

But the club look like they are goint to fall foul of the rule. Can you really make exceptions for them?

Contraversial. I say not.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 13:44:25
Only a matter of time before Blackpool cropped up in this thread:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/13/blackpool-receivership-sale-risk-12-point-deduction

The annoying thing is that despite their basketcasery, on the pitch they're doing reasonably OK.  If they do get the points deduction then it might keep one of Rovers or Oxford up which would be hugely annoying.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 13:44:26
I saw this yesterday, it could be good for the club eventually to be rid of the scummy owners but it could leave them in the shit for a while.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 13:45:58
Difficult one for the EFL that.

A large part of the Blackpool situation is the ELF taking no interest/unable to act on the Oystens.

But the club look like they are goint to fall foul of the rule. Can you really make exceptions for them?

Contraversial. I say not.
If there's one thing the League are good at, it's being inflexible in applying rules when the whole situation is palpably more their fault than the club's. That and bending over whenever the Premier League ask them to


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 13:51:38
If there's one thing the League are good at, it's being inflexible in applying rules when the whole situation is palpably more their fault than the club's. That and bending over whenever the Premier League ask them to

Very true.... the Div 3 relegation battle is very close... from about 23rd to 13th/14th... a deduction would put Blackpool in the mix, but they still might just have enough to stay up.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 14:20:00
Thing is I recall from Twitter that a points deduction would take them down the  league but leave them outside the relegation zone, add into the mix that they are obviously a half decent side if they are mid table and thus should pick up more points than the teams they would find themselves competing with at the bottom, seems a reasonable price to pay to free themselves from the Oyston Yoke?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 14:21:32
would take them 2 points above the zone.

it's tight down there


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 14:22:50
would take them 2 points above the zone.

it's tight down there
Said the actress to the bishop...


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 14:34:42
would take them 2 points above the zone.

it's tight down there

Indeed but they are unbeaten in 6 games and I cannot see any of the teams at the bottom having that sort of form. Its very tight but equally there goal difference is much better than any of the team down there as well so that's basically another point.

From the number of tangerines that went down to London for the hearing I get the impression the fans think its a price worth paying?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 14:39:51
Essentially, regardless of reasons and fairness, they are trading when insolvent - the club should have a much worse squad so they could afford to pay back the money they owe.  That's why the rule is there, to discourage people trading that way - the reality is you can't really tell owners like these that.  One of those moments where the short term pain may be worth it in the long run.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 14:50:58
It was wrong when we got demoted and itís wrong if they dock Blackpool points.

Offences off the pitch should be dealt with off the pitch.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 14, 2019, 14:52:50
If the FA/FL do decide to dock the club 12 points then please do it at the start of next season, thank you FL/FA.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 15, 2019, 14:04:08
Christ, talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place - some non-football perspective on the "good guy" in the Blackpool boardroom struggle:

https://thesternfacts.com/trump-jr-now-tied-to-banker-behind-russian-money-laundering-scheme-6664d24642fc


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, February 15, 2019, 17:22:41
In When Saturday Comes, there was an article about Chansiri at Sheff Wednesday trying to flog PL season tickets for when they get there. Non-refundable. £445 a go, or you can get a 10 year one for £3200 if you fancy.

Lunatic.


Title: Re: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Benzel on Sunday, February 17, 2019, 15:25:02
Oh boo hoo, Swindon arenít doing very well so Iím going to stop going and go watch some other more successful teams instead or do something else

Pathetic

Actually, thatís harsh. Will edit

If/when Swindon town football clubs starts being competitive, winning games and making headlines for on the pitch achievements again, these fans will return and/or be replaced

Sunrise, sunset. Cats in the cradle and a silver spoon.
I quite like the first draft.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, February 18, 2019, 11:37:28
Thing is I recall from Twitter that a points deduction would take them down the  league but leave them outside the relegation zone, add into the mix that they are obviously a half decent side if they are mid table and thus should pick up more points than the teams they would find themselves competing with at the bottom, seems a reasonable price to pay to free themselves from the Oyston Yoke?

Most Blackpool fans would like to avoid the deduction but feel it's a very small price to pay if Oyston is out. It seems incredibly harsh to penalise a club which has not overspent and does not owe any money (it's the owners that owe Belokon, not the club)... But the laws around receivership have to be applied, meaning once again it is the EFL at fault for (a) not preventing the mess through proper legislation, (b) not sorting the mess out at any point over the last 5+ years, and (c) not having suitable flexibility in their own rules.

No wonder Harvey has decided to walk, no doubt hoping for a Scudamore-esque bonus. Good luck with that Shaun.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Monday, February 18, 2019, 17:19:25
Yet another winding up order down the other end of the A420!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 18, 2019, 17:26:36
5 in a row! ⚰️

Apparently, they have reneged on their payment to Uncle Firoz. £800,000 pa

It gets better. Their previous Winding Up Order was for non payment to HMRC - an obvious oversight said the little Thai fella.

Tomorrow is the day for the next HMRC payment - VAT, NI, Income Tax etc.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kyFyAqLtHq8


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 18, 2019, 17:49:38
Yet another winding up order down the other end of the A420!
Would rather it was MK but Pox is a close 2nd, more than anything because of the reaction of their fans when similar happened to us.

I will never forget that, the mirth and merriment on their forums etc. what goes around comes around.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 18, 2019, 17:54:00
 Power might have reduced us to 14th in Div 4, but at least we are seemingly reasonably OK in terms of debt. 

Oxford look like they've spunked money they haven't got to get out of their more rightful non league status, and now it's catching up with them.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 18, 2019, 17:55:35
Would rather it was MK

What the actual fuck? Youíre shitting me, right?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, February 18, 2019, 17:57:39
I'm with PV.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:00:28
Jesus


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:02:38
I'm with PV.

+1


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: donkey on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:02:46
I'm with PV.

Me too.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:03:39
Me too.
And me


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:07:33
What the fuck is going on here?

Pox over MK?

Youíre all fucking insane


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:10:22
To be fair it is like the choice between having to eat  dog or cat shit really.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:18:09
What the fuck is going on here?

Pox over MK?

Youíre all fucking insane

It's quite simple really, you often hear fans say at times of crisis, I wouldn't want to see any club go under.... even Oxford.

However I think nobody would care if Franchise went.... it's just not been put to the test.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:21:55
Me too.
And me. Oxford are our local rivals, we love to hate them, we'd be sorry if they didn't exist. Whereas Franchise should never have existed in the first place.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:27:10
It's quite simple really, you often hear fans say at times of crisis, I wouldn't want to see any club go under.... even Oxford.

However I think nobody would care if Franchise went.... it's just not been put to the test.
Exactly this.

And me. Oxford are our local rivals, we love to hate them, we'd be sorry if they didn't exist. Whereas Franchise should never have existed in the first place.
And this.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:28:36
If Oxford went tomorrow I'd laugh but then realise we'll never play them and get a derby day again. Admittedly I'd soon be over it and I hate Bristol City nearly as much so they could take top spot.

MK though... shouldn't even exist. One of the darkest days in football when they came to be.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:35:50
me too


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:39:08
Me too.

But contributing to a bucket collection would be pushing it.  :no:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:46:15
Me too.

But contributing to a bucket collection would be pushing it.  :no:
:D absolutely. There is a line...thats way over that line!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 18, 2019, 18:57:00
I see rumours that the lawnmowers have been repossessed.  Can't be good.  Football clubs have an unhealthy way of plodding through such travails usually, so they will probably survive, but that did bring back memories as the very same equipment had a Secured Loan against it at the CG back in the day!  It should be a FL test or something - if you have secured your lawnmower against debts, things have gone too far.  Of course, back int he day, QPR, Preston, Luton & Oldham would have been up against it, not having a lawnmower to save the club with.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 18, 2019, 19:03:14
I see rumours that the lawnmowers have been repossessed.  Can't be good.  Football clubs have an unhealthy way of plodding through such travails usually, so they will probably survive, but that did bring back memories as the very same equipment had a Secured Loan against it at the CG back in the day!  It should be a FL test or something - if you have secured your lawnmower against debts, things have gone too far.  Of course, back int he day, QPR, Preston, Luton & Oldham would have been up against it, not having a lawnmower to save the club with.

The repossession of the CG lawn mower was a symbol for the collapse of the club.... these days lawnmowers are important, FGR have a solar powered robotic lawnmower


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 18, 2019, 19:10:31
Looks like Iím on my own, then.

Iíd happily see them close, ground to dust and scattered to the wind. I donít care that theyíre our rivals.

The day the doors to the Kassam close is the day Iíll be jigging naked in Trafalgar Square.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Monday, February 18, 2019, 19:16:49
Looks like Iím on my own, then.

Iíd happily see them close, ground to dust and scattered to the wind. I donít care that theyíre our rivals.

The day the doors to the Kassam close is the day Iíll be jigging naked in Trafalgar Square.

Nope i'm with you. No MK fan ever smacked my  then 15 year old friend and broke his jaw.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Monday, February 18, 2019, 19:17:27
Apart from the naked bit...


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 18, 2019, 19:20:44
They can always do a Hereford.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 12:14:27
Whatever your stance on them going bust the squirming and uproar on their forum is indeed a thing of beauty and worth getting a front row seat for.

This little less than a year since Sumrith 'Tiger' Thanakarnjanasuth took over them with their fans saying about how his power of spending was going to catapult them upward through the leagues with is impressive and huge financial backing. Wehn it could indeed catapult them into another league but the one below!

A word of caution to all those who think that Swindon could do better with any new owner rather than Power.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 12:24:31
It could be much, much, MUCH worse.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 12:31:47
It would be good to pass them on the way down.

Their ails all boil down to Uncle Firoz screwing them over the lease of the Triangle.

Why on earth they thought the little Thai fella was some sort of saviour after his stint of fucking Reading over, I have no idea.

Itís a great little watch, for sure.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 12:35:06
The repossession of the CG lawn mower was a symbol for the collapse of the club.... these days lawnmowers are important, FGR have a solar powered robotic lawnmower

The pox have mystical goat, they could set him out grazing.

Sorry MG  :)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 13:08:15
That forum is a good read. Had to decontaminate the computer after but worth it. 


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 14:07:02
The day the doors to the Kassam close is the day Iíll be jigging naked in Trafalgar Square.

Haven't you learnt your lesson of making promises ??


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 14:10:52
https://twitter.com/HeadOUFC/status/1097834069272997888

Utter cunt


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 14:13:48
At least it's getting the response it deserves. What a helmet.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 14:22:38
Haven't you learnt your lesson of making promises ??
Iíd make good on this one - living in Greece notwithstanding!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 14:49:06
https://twitter.com/HeadOUFC/status/1097834069272997888

Utter cunt

what did it say? Deleted now


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 14:56:22
what did it say? Deleted now

Basically 'let's laugh at all those people losing their jobs'

Even a few Oxford fans chipped in to tell him what a prick he was.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 15:00:48
Ah, yeah that's not cool. Tribalism in football is a fucking cancer. Like I don't understand how you can hate Oxford fans for example. I know quite a few and they're alright, and there's plenty of Swindon fans I think are complete knobs. It's fun to play along with during a match, much like a pantomime.

Don't care if they go bust though - it won't happen but even if it did they'll pop up under another guise in a few years with that renewed sense of optimism.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 15:53:02
Iíd make good on this one - living in Greece notwithstanding!

Audonis  :)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 16:08:15
Audonis  :)
:D Good work 4D!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 16:35:19
Ah, yeah that's not cool. Tribalism in football is a fucking cancer. Like I don't understand how you can hate Oxford fans for example. I know quite a few and they're alright, and there's plenty of Swindon fans I think are complete knobs. It's fun to play along with during a match, much like a pantomime.

Don't care if they go bust though - it won't happen but even if it did they'll pop up under another guise in a few years with that renewed sense of optimism.

A sensible comment

I don't get the idea of hooliganism, it's pointless.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 17:00:29
I wouldn't like to see Oxford go to the wall, much rather they were back in non league.

Franchise on the other hand I'd love to see completely expunged. Not go bust, but totally written out of history.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: ferret on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 17:06:21
Ah, yeah that's not cool. Tribalism in football is a fucking cancer. Like I don't understand how you can hate Oxford fans for example. I know quite a few and they're alright, and there's plenty of Swindon fans I think are complete knobs. It's fun to play along with during a match, much like a pantomime.

Don't care if they go bust though - it won't happen but even if it did they'll pop up under another guise in a few years with that renewed sense of optimism.

100%. I think a lot of the comments get forced out. Frankly, if you asked me now, I'd prefer them to stay up than go down. That's on the basis that we will probably stay down... and I'd rather have a good, healthy day out at places like Wimbledon and Plymouth than having to cower in Oxford's unappealing ground, without the opportunity for a beer or anything, for a total of about 4 hours.

Obviously I understand that things are a bit different with MKD, and I can understand the principle of not wanting to go anywhere near the club. But then we routinely take a bigger following there than we take anywhere else. People will come on here, make all manner of comments about what a disgrace to football the club is... and then ask how much it costs to park at their ground.  


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 17:08:00
Fuck off Ferret.

I say that on the basis you are still ignoring me


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 17:09:02
Fuck off Ferret.

I say that on the basis you are still ignoring me

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 17:09:46
And another!

Sad bastards

https://twitter.com/georgeoufc93/status/1097880494522417152?s=21


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 17:22:37
Rivalry aside... that kind of comment is just plain fucking stupid.

Do idiots like that think that Swindon is in some kind of self-sufficient dome? The whole region will be affected. In addition to the suppliers being fucked, there's going to be 3,500 people from Swindon looking for jobs. That includes jobs in surrounding areas and no doubt some in Oxford will be taken by former Swindon Honda employees.

He doesn't look the type to have thought it through, though. 



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 17:57:19
Most of those 3500 dont live in swindon anyway, ppl travel miles to work in there. Probably a fair few from oxford and surrounding areas.
Tool


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 18:18:37
100%. I think a lot of the comments get forced out. Frankly, if you asked me now, I'd prefer them to stay up than go down. That's on the basis that we will probably stay down... and I'd rather have a good, healthy day out at places like Wimbledon and Plymouth than having to cower in Oxford's unappealing ground, without the opportunity for a beer or anything, for a total of about 4 hours.

Obviously I understand that things are a bit different with MKD, and I can understand the principle of not wanting to go anywhere near the club. But then we routinely take a bigger following there than we take anywhere else. People will come on here, make all manner of comments about what a disgrace to football the club is... and then ask how much it costs to park at their ground. 

I think there's a huge difference between tribalism and hooliganism. Tribalism is an ingrained part of following a team, not just in football either. You have rival teams which you dislike and this adds to the matchday experience when you play them. A victory against a local rival is always sweeter, a defeat always harder to take. I'd hate football to become so sanitised that everyone sits together to enjoy the 'product'.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 18:24:07
I'd hate football to become so sanitised that everyone sits together to enjoy the 'product'.
While streaming the live game in the Premier league between Liverpool and Chelsea on their iPhones.

According to the MK forum after their home game with us some MK fans were seen to be live streaming a Premier League game on their mobiles during the match. Something that was not entirely shouted down on their forum as some fans can see the benefit of this. (see the Concrete Roundabout Forum for details).

That is EXACTLY why Franchise should be wiped out from football history ASAP.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 18:25:16
TBf Iíve got a champions league game up on my phone before when weíve been getting dicked at home by some northern no marks


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: ferret on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 18:30:44
I think there's a huge difference between tribalism and hooliganism. Tribalism is an ingrained part of following a team, not just in football either. You have rival teams which you dislike and this adds to the matchday experience when you play them. A victory against a local rival is always sweeter, a defeat always harder to take. I'd hate football to become so sanitised that everyone sits together to enjoy the 'product'.


Yeah, I fully appreciate that. And if there's one thing I hate doing it's sit/stand with opposing fans during a game.

I suppose what I'm getting at is that the hooliganism prevails over the tribalism... and, as a result, the fact that I'm forced to stand around the ground for an hour post-match, before having stones lobbed at the car en route back to the road, dominates my recollections of a particular matchday. Especially if we lose, which no doubt taints my memories of trips to Oxford.

As has been said recently, some people enjoy going to a museum or such like pre-away game, and I most certainly wouldn't enjoy that on a matchday. Each to their own.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: ferret on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 18:34:35
While streaming the live game in the Premier league between Liverpool and Chelsea on their iPhones.

According to the MK forum after their home game with us some MK fans were seen to be live streaming a Premier League game on their mobiles during the match. Something that was not entirely shouted down on their forum as some fans can see the benefit of this. (see the Concrete Roundabout Forum for details).

That is EXACTLY why Franchise should be wiped out from football history ASAP.

There's one (probably aged late 40s) who sits near me on a weekly basis and probably spends 75% of the game with his head in his phone, providing a running update of premier league scores and his Super 6 latest.

It's just a sign of the times. It's delusional to think that this type of thing is unique to one club.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 18:45:56
There's one (probably aged late 40s) who sits near me on a weekly basis and probably spends 75% of the game with his head in his phone, providing a running update of premier league scores and his Super 6 latest.

It's just a sign of the times. It's delusional to think that this type of thing is unique to one club.
I have not witnessed anyone actually watching a different game while attending a Swindon match, yes some people are interested in the scores of other matches(and always have been), often for betting purposes or especially near the end of the season but to actually watch a game on their mobile while at a match is not so much a sign of the times as being just wrong IMO.

Each to their own though as I personally couldn't give a shit about any team that isn't Swindon.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: ferret on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 19:03:16
I have not witnessed anyone actually watching a different game while attending a Swindon match, yes some people are interested in the scores of other matches(and always have been), often for betting purposes or especially near the end of the season but to actually watch a game on their mobile while at a match is not so much a sign of the times as being just wrong IMO.

Each to their own though as I personally couldn't give a shit about any team that isn't Swindon.


In my opinion the difference is pretty trivial though. This guy completely missed the fact that Stevenage (with their tiny away support) had scored the other week until the tannoy announced it. He was sitting there spouting about some incident in the Champs League which he had been reading all about online. He clearly wouldnít have done so 20 years ago. Nobody is in the slightest bit interested, but nobody says anything because itís harmless.

Like you, during a game, Iím completely indifferent to any other scores, including those of teams around us in the table.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 19:05:15
Like you, during a game, Iím completely indifferent to any other scores, including those of teams around us in the table.
Absolutely I just don't get it, I am only slightly interested in other results for the last couple of weeks of the season, then not too much unless we are losing and so are our rivals.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 19:18:17
I watched a game on the Extension behind the Bank once, does that count?  It was more entertaining than the Town game and had a diabolical offside decision not given for a goal.  Well, I watched a few minutes of it.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 19:26:48
Absolutely I just don't get it, I am only slightly interested in other results for the last couple of weeks of the season, then not too much unless we are losing and so are our rivals.

People are all different, so for example if you are someone on the ADHD spectrum, it may be you find it difficult to watch the match "intently" and are grateful for distractions... in pre phone days, perhaps you'd read the programme.  I couldn't care what folk do as long as they are there, and it doesn't impinge too much on others around.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:06:32
The tight arse in me just thinks what a waste of mobile data watching a game on your phone!

Going back to the rivalry thing. What always makes me laugh, well cringe, is when fans canít separate the football team from the town/city. Iíve seen people say stuff along the lines of the fact they refuse to set foot in a rivalís town/city. Itís probably bollocks to try and sound a bit edgy, if true then get a grip of yourself


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:08:35
Quote from: herthab
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100%. I think a lot of the comments get forced out. Frankly, if you asked me now, I'd prefer them to stay up than go down. That's on the basis that we will probably stay down... and I'd rather have a good, healthy day out at places like Wimbledon and Plymouth than having to cower in Oxford's unappealing ground, without the opportunity for a beer or anything, for a total of about 4 hours.

Obviously I understand that things are a bit different with MKD, and I can understand the principle of not wanting to go anywhere near the club. But then we routinely take a bigger following there than we take anywhere else. People will come on here, make all manner of comments about what a disgrace to football the club is... and then ask how much it costs to park at their ground. 
I think there's a huge difference between tribalism and hooliganism. Tribalism is an ingrained part of following a team, not just in football either. You have rival teams which you dislike and this adds to the matchday experience when you play them. A victory against a local rival is always sweeter, a defeat always harder to take. I'd hate football to become so sanitised that everyone sits together to enjoy the 'product'.
well said


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Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:09:06
The tight arse in me just thinks what a waste of mobile data watching a game on your phone!

Going back to the rivalry thing. What always makes me laugh, well cringe, is when fans canít separate the football team from the town/city. Iíve seen people say stuff along the lines of the fact they refuse to set foot in a rivalís town/city. Itís probably bollocks to try and sound a bit edgy, if true then get a grip of yourself
Thatíd be me!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:11:22
Quote from: RobertT
I watched a game on the Extension behind the Bank once, does that count?  It was more entertaining than the Town game and had a diabolical offside decision not given for a goal.  Well, I watched a few minutes of it.


in summer you usually get a few cricketers that you can just about see from our seat. Have watched that for a good 5 minutes before.

reminds me of I think a Danny Baker story, Millwall were shit, they started kicking a can around at the back of the terrace. One of them 'scored' and about 50 people cheered.

no, no idea what I'm rambling about either


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:12:48
Was it Stoke fans that did the conga on the Bank when we beat them 6-0


Title: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:13:03
Quote
The tight arse in me just thinks what a waste of mobile data watching a game on your phone!

Going back to the rivalry thing. What always makes me laugh, well cringe, is when fans canít separate the football team from the town/city. Iíve seen people say stuff along the lines of the fact they refuse to set foot in a rivalís town/city. Itís probably bollocks to try and sound a bit edgy, if true then get a grip of yourself
I've refused to drink a nice looking Oxfordshire beer, instead getting something that tasted like cats piss..

yeah it's pathetic. I know


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:15:21
Was it Stoke fans that did the conga on the Bank when we beat them 6-0

Yes


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:19:35
I've refused to drink a nice looking Oxfordshire beer, instead getting something that tasted like cats piss..

yeah it's pathetic. I know

I wouldn't tar the county with the same brush as the city.  The county produces some lovely beer... and parts of it prefer their football red not yellow


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:20:26
Fuck off Ferret.

I say that on the basis you are still ignoring me

I'm being un-ignored now, I wonder if quoting a post works  :)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:22:44
Me too 4d. Mind you I probably deserved it.


Good point donkey. It probably came from the red bit..


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:26:51
The tight arse in me just thinks what a waste of mobile data watching a game on your phone!

Going back to the rivalry thing. What always makes me laugh, well cringe, is when fans canít separate the football team from the town/city. Iíve seen people say stuff along the lines of the fact they refuse to set foot in a rivalís town/city. Itís probably bollocks to try and sound a bit edgy, if true then get a grip of yourself
Thats me with scumville. Ive only ever gone there to watch town or when relatives have needed to go to hospital there. When I go to the game there I won't spend anything other than the ticket. If that's sad, then I'm sad......and proud.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:28:29
I was shitting myself when Mrs Audrey fancied a house in Watchfield - before I diverted her to Wroughton.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:31:04
I watched a game on the Extension behind the Bank once, does that count?  It was more entertaining than the Town game and had a diabolical offside decision not given for a goal.  Well, I watched a few minutes of it.

I watched a team warming up on the CG extension in amber and black in 1992. They looked well organised and fitter than the usual teams. It was John Beck's Cambridge It's and the CG pitch was so close to being waterlogged both teams warmed up on the extension. I think Cambridge beat us 2-0 that day.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 22:40:42
Got stuffed 4-2 by Accrington this evening.

The gift that keeps on giving


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: SleafordRobin on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 23:19:53
Got stuffed 4-2 by Accrington this evening.

The gift that keeps on giving

I went to Accrington tonight (working up North), fuck me Pox are shite! Match was woeful for 30 minutes then sprung into life.  Pox were worse up top than we were pre-January & on this performance they're fucked  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 23:31:32
They appear to have a shite defence and nobody to score regularly at the other end. Not a good combo.

Probably weasel their way out of it somehow but the natives are certainly restless.

Third season in League 1 since 2001 and they're falling apart as a club.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 01:32:08
I was looking at some stats the other night and it's 16 away games and 0 wins for them. That is pretty bad.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:21:11
Was it Stoke fans that did the conga on the Bank when we beat them 6-0
Wasn't that the defeat that got rid of Mick Mills as their manager and the whole ground was singing "sacked in the morning" at Mills?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:39:22
Was it Stoke fans that did the conga on the Bank when we beat them 6-0
It was,  never forget that performance by the Stoke fans, absolutely brilliant,  they were determined to have a good day out no matter what.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:46:21
They cheered our 5th and 6th


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 11:48:59
It was,  never forget that performance by the Stoke fans, absolutely brilliant,  they were determined to have a good day out no matter what.
I think the 374 that were there just wanted rid of the idiot manager Mick Mills, which we achieved with him being sacked 3 days after we stuffed them.

Kamara and Bamber played for Stoke that day, probably the first time I have heard the Town End singing an away players name all game towards Kammy.

https://youtu.be/ahuljtF_D64


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 23:05:27
I think the 374 that were there just wanted rid of the idiot manager Mick Mills, which we achieved with him being sacked 3 days after we stuffed them.

Kamara and Bamber played for Stoke that day, probably the first time I have heard the Town End singing an away players name all game towards Kammy.

https://youtu.be/ahuljtF_D64
Blimey,   can't believe it was almost fifteen years ago,   think the sight of the Stoke fans doing the conga  was one I'll never forget.
Don't think our fans would have reacted in the same way !!!.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 21, 2019, 00:17:29
Blimey,   can't believe it was almost fifteen years ago,  

It's actually just about 30 years ago..... time is a relative concept, but to me it does feel like a long time ago.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, February 21, 2019, 10:09:32
Blimey,   can't believe it was almost fifteen years ago,   think the sight of the Stoke fans doing the conga  was one I'll never forget.
Don't think our fans would have reacted in the same way !!!.
We did to be fair at a few games when we have been relegated. I remember people dressing for a funeral in our premier league season


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, February 21, 2019, 10:54:47
We did to be fair at a few games when we have been relegated. I remember people dressing for a funeral in our premier league season

QPR away


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 21, 2019, 11:38:00
We did to be fair at a few games when we have been relegated. I remember people dressing for a funeral in our premier league season
That was a hoot of a day out. Pride of Paddington, Inn on the Green, spliffs and booze.


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Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, February 21, 2019, 13:49:42
QPR away
With good old Bobby Palmer leading the cortege.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, February 21, 2019, 13:55:24
That was a hoot of a day out. Pride of Paddington, Inn on the Green, spliffs and booze.
Until the old bill stepped in and started throwing their weight about (and a few supporters) for no apparent reason.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, February 21, 2019, 16:29:29
Wasn't that the defeat that got rid of Mick Mills as their manager and the whole ground was singing "sacked in the morning" at Mills?
I recall:

He's short

He's fat

He's going to get the sack

Micky Mills, Micky Mills!


Stoke fans absolutely brilliant that day


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 3, 2019, 14:06:41
Good summary in today's Observer of those in the "much worse off" category:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/mar/03/football-fans-owen-oyston-blackpool-charlton-coventry


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 4, 2019, 15:23:53
Just 2 short years ago, this was our starting XI v Bolton

Vigouroux; Thomas, Rossi-Branco (C), Jones, Dabo; Kasim, Gladwin, Colkett, Goddard; Norris, Feruz.

Subs Henry, Rodgers, Smith, Murray, Stewart, Hylton, Delfouneso.

Jesus Christ!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 4, 2019, 15:28:04
I thought we could only have seven subs?  ???


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 4, 2019, 15:28:30
Just 2 short years ago, this was our starting XI v Bolton

Vigouroux; Thomas, Rossi-Branco (C), Jones, Dabo; Kasim, Gladwin, Colkett, Goddard; Norris, Feruz.

Subs Henry, Rodgers, Smith, Murray, Stewart, Hylton, Delfouneso.

Jesus Christ!

Good enough to win the game though.  :)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, March 4, 2019, 15:31:29
Meanwhile at Bolton .. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11672/11655037/boltons-training-ground-closed-as-no-food-available


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2019, 15:46:19
Meanwhile at Bolton .. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11672/11655037/boltons-training-ground-closed-as-no-food-available
Covered this in another thread but this thread is equally good.

I did wonder which thread to post it in TBH. But yes its a state.

EDIT.

In addition I read that today Boltons problems continue. Unpaid wages, players given the day off and apparently the training ground is closed due to lack of any food and fuel.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 16:31:19
Todays summary of the Bolton shit show.... https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17476975.staff-pay-season-tickets-and-the-takeover-bid-every-twist-and-turn-in-the-wanderers-saga-from-the-last-48-hours/

As of this afternoon the Council have announced that unless they receive assurances by 1pm tomorrow that the club can meet the requirements of the University of Bolton Stadium's safety certificate in terms of safety medics stewards etc they may revoke its safety certificate and thus Saturdays game would be off.

Somewhat unhelpfully they are supposed to be playing Millwall which would, I assume, mean a larger police presence than usual and thus greater cost?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 17:34:06
I see on one of the FB pages (no not the infamous one) that they are saying there is a press announcement due from the club at 5pm today :hmmm:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 17:36:32
Get the Red Bull out!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 17:42:17
I see on one of the FB pages (no not the infamous one) that they are saying there is a press announcement due from the club at 5pm today :hmmm:

Swindon or Bolton?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 17:45:46
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Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 22:52:35
IIRC Coventry's deadline to prove they have somewhere to play next season expires some time in the next week or so. After that they face expulsion from the League.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 23:14:27
They have an approaching deadline to show a hoe, after which an EGM will be called to vote on kicking them out.  The parent company are moaning that Wasps won't negotiate with them on a lease extension while taking them to court via a case against the Council who sold the long term leasehold to Wasps, trying to get damages as they were not invited to bid on the sale - after saying they were not interested in public.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 09:59:21
They have an approaching deadline to show a hoe
A hoe? Is this some sort of masonic thing?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 10:12:31
A lady of the night?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 8, 2019, 21:48:43
Todays summary of the Bolton shit show.... https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17476975.staff-pay-season-tickets-and-the-takeover-bid-every-twist-and-turn-in-the-wanderers-saga-from-the-last-48-hours/

As of this afternoon the Council have announced that unless they receive assurances by 1pm tomorrow that the club can meet the requirements of the University of Bolton Stadium's safety certificate in terms of safety medics stewards etc they may revoke its safety certificate and thus Saturdays game would be off.

Somewhat unhelpfully they are supposed to be playing Millwall which would, I assume, mean a larger police presence than usual and thus greater cost?
Looks like there might finally be some light at the end of the tunnel for Bolton fans:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/mar/08/bolton-wanderers-chairman-ken-anderson-set-to-sell-club


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 11, 2019, 18:28:38
Or perhaps not:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47525012

Bolton looking like a Diamandis-era Swindon...


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Monday, March 11, 2019, 20:33:13
Just liquidate the fuckers


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, March 11, 2019, 21:04:41
According to a Bolton fan I work with, Anderson stands to make c. £30m from the sale and theyíre the only debt free (except to their players) club in the league. Seems he stripped everything to the bones by design, but did so quite effectively, whilst obviously upsetting a few people along the way.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 11, 2019, 23:29:15
I thought Bolton were massively in debt?  has it been written off?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 02:46:07
Davies wiped out nearly all the debt owed to him from their big spending days, so Anderson had a clean slate of sorts.  Given he proudly stated they had some of the best finances in the league back in October when faced with a HMRC winding-up order being petitioned, I'd suggest you can trust him about as far as our name sake can shoot from the penalty spot!  Seems to have done a bit of Jed/Diamandis mash-up.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 07:48:06
oh ok


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:18:37
They have an approaching deadline to show a hoe, after which an EGM will be called to vote on kicking them out.  The parent company are moaning that Wasps won't negotiate with them on a lease extension while taking them to court via a case against the Council who sold the long term leasehold to Wasps, trying to get damages as they were not invited to bid on the sale - after saying they were not interested in public.

Could get tasty but lets see how much bottle the FL have, you feel for cov fans but sadly SISU dont look like they are going anyway.

Then there are Charlton's owners who think that the FL will buy the club from them....


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 20, 2019, 14:24:40
Coventry deadline to confirm where they will play next season or face expulsion from the League looming:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2019/mar/20/coventry-city-ricoh-arena-football-league


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 21, 2019, 10:59:12
Looks like Ken has mysteriously found another buyer just in time to fend off HMRC again....

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17514292.bolton-wanderers-fend-off-high-court-winding-up-move/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 21, 2019, 11:03:15
Looks like Ken has mysteriously found another buyer just in time to fend off HMRC again....

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17514292.bolton-wanderers-fend-off-high-court-winding-up-move/
They're not 3 Portuguese gentlemen are they?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 21, 2019, 11:14:06
They're not 3 Portuguese gentlemen are they?

Who knows, its getting like Ashley mysteriously having a buyer lined up before every transfer window as an excuse not to spend cash.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 22, 2019, 13:10:42
Brum to be deducted 9 pts after breaching FFP rules:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47667742

That would leave them in 18th place, 5 pts above the drop


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 22, 2019, 13:18:55
The Championship is becoming a bit of a basket case division.

Apparently the Derby owner can't sell the club for £1.
The £100 million debt might be a problem with that though.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 22, 2019, 13:27:03
The Championship is becoming a bit of a basket case division.
Shitheads are losing £20m a year too but bankrolled by Lansdown, Swansea have money worries as well as Reading, Stoke could well be the next ones with such a huge wage bill after relegation last season and sitting well below half way in the division.

So many teams over spending to try and reach the promised land of the Premier league.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 22, 2019, 13:30:27
It's essentially turned into a high risk gambling venture, hence why all the foreign investors show-up.  Lose 39m over 3 years but get the windfall if you get promoted, wipe it out with liquidation/CVA's if you lose.  For the high rollers, this is high PR fun, for the fans, I guess it depends on which way your clubs' dice role.  In the meantime they no doubt use this as a tax write off as well.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 22, 2019, 13:46:14
We could probably have a sweepstake on who the next club after Bolton is to be on the verge of administration, seems to be so many at the moment with financial issues.

surely it is only a matter of time for Charlton though until the owner stops putting anything in to the club and declaring it is sell or bust


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, March 22, 2019, 13:53:07
Shitheads are losing £20m a year too but bankrolled by Lansdown, Swansea have money worries as well as Reading, Stoke could well be the next ones with such a huge wage bill after relegation last season and sitting well below half way in the division.

So many teams over spending to try and reach the promised land of the Premier league.

Think Stoke might be fine....

https://www.ft.com/content/543d1040-ed8c-11e8-8180-9cf212677a57


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 22, 2019, 14:02:02
We could probably have a sweepstake on who the next club after Bolton is to be on the verge of administration, seems to be so many at the moment with financial issues.

surely it is only a matter of time for Charlton though until the owner stops putting anything in to the club and declaring it is sell or bust

Think I read somewhere that no club has been in admin since 2013... the last being Aldershot.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 22, 2019, 14:03:55
Think I read somewhere that no club has been in admin since 2013... the last being Aldershot.
Wiki says you're bang on the (run out of) money
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_(British_football)#List_of_clubs_that_have_entered_administration


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, March 22, 2019, 14:14:35
Brum to be deducted 9 pts after breaching FFP rules:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47667742

That would leave them in 18th place, 5 pts above the drop
Wonder why they've decided to dock points for Birmingham but not for others that also breached the FFP rules - Bournemouth and QPR spring to mind.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, March 22, 2019, 14:19:55
Wonder why they've decided to dock points for Birmingham but not for others that also breached the FFP rules - Bournemouth and QPR spring to mind.
Isn't it a new rule created in light of those clubs' misdemeanours? I could be wrong.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, March 22, 2019, 14:26:10
I thought they couldn't from Bournemouth as they went up to the Prem and these are EFL rules?! Might be wrong though and think they got a big fine like that makes it right.

R4E - you may well be right though.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 22, 2019, 15:37:27
Brum to be deducted 9 pts after breaching FFP rules:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47667742

That would leave them in 18th place, 5 pts above the drop

Looking as the loss seems to stem mainly for one year where wages jumped from £22m to almost £38m, someone somewhere in the club appears to have dropped an almighty bollock there!

Wonder why they've decided to dock points for Birmingham but not for others that also breached the FFP rules - Bournemouth and QPR spring to mind.

Its a new system of profitability and sustainability regulations introduced at the start of the 2016-17 season.

I thought they couldn't from Bournemouth as they went up to the Prem and these are EFL rules?! Might be wrong though and think they got a big fine like that makes it right.


They cannot dock Bournemouth as remember that was a fairytale........


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 22, 2019, 15:40:36
Didn't Bournemouth and QPR get big fines though,which were settled as they'd only be due on returning to the FL.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 22, 2019, 15:41:57
Didn't Bournemouth and QPR get big fines though,which were settled as they'd only be due on returning to the FL.

Depends how you define big..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44980113


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 22, 2019, 15:43:58
Looking as the loss seems to stem mainly for one year where wages jumped from £22m to almost £38m, someone somewhere in the club appears to have dropped an almighty bollock there!
That wouldn't perchance be the season that Harry "Chequebook" Redknapp was in charge over the summer transfer window would it?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 22, 2019, 15:54:06
That wouldn't perchance be the season that Harry "Chequebook" Redknapp was in charge over the summer transfer window would it?

It seems to be June 2017-June 2018 so coincidentally Harry was in charge that summer.

So we can now add Birmingham to the list of Redknapp basket cases along with West Ham, Portsmouth, Southampton and QPR.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, March 22, 2019, 17:34:40
He denies all responsibility though.... 8)

https://talksport.com/football/efl/515020/richard-keys-slams-harry-redknapp-birmingham-financial-points-deduction/ (https://talksport.com/football/efl/515020/richard-keys-slams-harry-redknapp-birmingham-financial-points-deduction/)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 22, 2019, 18:03:29
He denies all responsibility though.... 8)

https://talksport.com/football/efl/515020/richard-keys-slams-harry-redknapp-birmingham-financial-points-deduction/ (https://talksport.com/football/efl/515020/richard-keys-slams-harry-redknapp-birmingham-financial-points-deduction/)
Presumably while leaning out of a car window....


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, March 23, 2019, 11:03:54
Another twatty owner taking a club to the abyss

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/norman-smurthwaite-port-vale-protests-2677769


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, March 23, 2019, 11:07:49
One of the only times I really heard Vale fans last week was at FT with 'get out of our club' chants.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 23, 2019, 21:01:30
Diamandis tried that "protests are damaging the club" line too, one way you can always tell an arsehole is when he borrows tactics off another arsehole


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 25, 2019, 14:11:36
It could be worse .... we could get promoted to the Championship: reading this makes you wonder why more Championship sides haven't gone under and how is it Brum got punished for their player spend when according to the graph at the bottom, Wolves' player spend was 250% of their income! Unless I'm misreading it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47691385


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, March 25, 2019, 14:46:19
Literally cheating, but they get away with it.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 25, 2019, 14:47:43
It could be worse .... we could get promoted to the Championship: reading this makes you wonder why more Championship sides haven't gone under and how is it Brum got punished for their player spend when according to the graph at the bottom, Wolves' player spend was 250% of their income! Unless I'm misreading it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47691385

I assume its something to do with the 'adjusted losses over three years' bit so Wolves will make a fortune as they went up which can offset it in some manner.

Its all bollocks though. 


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 25, 2019, 15:08:18
I assume its something to do with the 'adjusted losses over three years' bit so Wolves will make a fortune as they went up which can offset it in some manner.

Its all bollocks though. 
Ah yes, I remember now, I read  something about a club (don't think it was Wolves actually) being able to basically put 3 years spending into 1 year (and then not spend in the other years) that they thought would get them round it so they could just go shit or bust for promotion in this one year. Although I seem to remember it was a team that had just come down. Same thing applies though I guess


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, March 25, 2019, 15:26:37
Ah, plucky little Bristol City only spending 135% of their income on player costs. 

Having heard Mark Watson on fighting talk going on about how amazing it is that they are doing so well having lost the spine of a team and being so financially responsible, this amuses me.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 25, 2019, 15:44:17
Ah, plucky little Bristol City only spending 135% of their income on player costs. 

Having heard Mark Watson on fighting talk going on about how amazing it is that they are doing so well having lost the spine of a team and being so financially responsible, this amuses me.
It's a fairytale, Manish


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, March 25, 2019, 15:53:54
It's a fairytale, Manish

A loss of £24m in the last financial year

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-holding-company-announces-2174850


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 25, 2019, 16:56:51
A loss of £24m in the last financial year

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-holding-company-announces-2174850

Doesn't that only really give them scope to lose £8m over the next 2 years?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, March 25, 2019, 16:57:37
Literally cheating, but they get away with it.

Nah, it's OK - the REAL cheating is signing loan players


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RedRag on Monday, March 25, 2019, 20:08:56
Championship finances are skewed by the parachute payments relegated clubs enjoy.  Other clubs, such as the 'traders really do have to gamble with high stakes to have a crack at promotion.  Even clubs with fair support and decent stadia seem to struggle.

Still hope we have another chance in the Championship one day and even for a number of seasons.  Vagaries of one playing season to the next aside, the acquisition of the CG could prove to be a small step in the right direction.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 23:52:43
We could change our logo to a similar version of Cheltenham Town ala Bristol City


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 11:02:21
We could change our logo to a similar version of Cheltenham Town ala Bristol City
Wrong established date on it as well I see. Have they deliberately made the 18 bit smaller as they realise it's not quite truthful?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 12:37:06
Wrong established date on it as well I see. Have they deliberately made the 18 bit smaller as they realise it's not quite truthful?

Apparently the club was formed in 1894 as Bristol south end and became city in 97
Either date is wrong as club reformed in 1982

Meh


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 12:41:09
We could change our logo to a similar version of Cheltenham Town ala Bristol City
Fuck off,  we don't want any logo similarities to either of those two scumbags !!.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 13:11:10
Fuck off,  we don't want any logo similarities to either of those two scumbags !!.

Just to clarify i meant it as a means of how 'it could actually be worse' by changing. Not that i wanted it to happen. With that logo and the robins nickname i automatically think of Cheltenham.

I wonder if our logo will ever be changed again for branding purposes. Probably something as/if we raise up the leagues/ ground development and the owners sees it as needed for bulk printing and recognition.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 13:14:09
It's a shit nickname. It's patronising. "Small but plucky' Fuck that.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 13:27:26
It's a shit nickname for the obvious reason that it's used by others and not by us.  How often do you hear 'Come on the Robins!' from the stands?  Hardly ever.  We barely identify with it.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 14:05:39
It's a shit nickname for the obvious reason that it's used by others and not by us.  How often do you hear 'Come on the Robins!' from the stands?  Hardly ever.  We barely identify with it.
Ah but how many of them have a short ass in a robin costume that's way too big for them do a shit dance before kick off.
Our badge needs changing again at some point purely because they fucked up the drawing of the loco on it.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 15:07:47
Our badge needs changing again at some point purely because they fucked up the drawing of the loco on it.

It is total shite, pisses me off every time I see it!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 17:03:18
"Bristol City today unveiled its brand new crest to support the next chapter of its proud history"

Proud history  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 17:24:52
"Bristol City today unveiled its brand new crest to support the next chapter of its proud history"

Proud history  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Since 1982.....


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Friday, March 29, 2019, 23:20:50
Staff not paid this time

https://yellowsforum.co.uk/threads/players-and-staff-not-paid-for-march.2100/page-2


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 29, 2019, 23:36:14
And Bolton late paying wages too (again). But it's OK because serial bankrupt Bassini (back from his 3-year ban for financial wrongdoing) has lined up a takeover bid for them.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/29/exclusivelaurence-bassini-vows-take-bolton-back-premier-league/

Couldn't make it up.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Friday, March 29, 2019, 23:49:42
Bet the EFL pass him too 😂


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Monday, April 1, 2019, 19:40:45
Bolton players go on strike in support of staff who havent been paid. Good on em


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 1, 2019, 20:51:04
Club staff also threatening to strike at the weekend, which would mean even if they get an extended stay of execution on Wednesday, they would be unlikely to get a safety clearance for ha game in time and would fail to complete the fixture.  Surprised Jed hasn't raised his head on this one.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Monday, April 1, 2019, 21:09:48
Oxford United ticket office, shop and club offices all closed today, staff not paid, from what my colleague from work was telling me today


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, April 1, 2019, 21:14:54
If only they'd go back to losing matches as well.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 1, 2019, 21:30:17
looks like they've been paid now. Sorry to disappoint


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Family at War on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 13:43:23
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/company/00053268

Bury have another winding up order today


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 13:53:42
Not paid players either


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 15:00:02
Bolton now had a prohibition notice served on them, means they can't use the stadium until they sort out safety issues (presumably ensuring they have paid stewards etc)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47787062


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 15:02:37
(Bury) The last action is a Loan being secured against their Football League income!  That might suggest they raised the funds to clear whatever was going to end-up with a Winding-Up order, but using their FL income sounds pretty drastic as a security.  Using future income rights and not an asset is worrying and would probably hint at having no assets left to secure against.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 15:23:18
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/company/00053268

Bury have another winding up order today

Served by a players Agent it would seem.
The money they secured in March is from a bridging loan specialist, looking ropey.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 15:33:24
Bolton now had a prohibition notice served on them, means they can't use the stadium until they sort out safety issues (presumably ensuring they have paid stewards etc)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47787062

Not strictly correct, from the local reporting it suggests that they can hold the games but they will have to be essentially behind closed doors affairs.

There is also a suggestion that this might put the club in breach of contract with season ticket holders.....

But never fear, its not Kens fault OK!!

http://sport.bt.com/news/bolton-chairman-anderson-criticises-disappointing-player-strike-S11364352357217


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 15:37:48
This guy is crackers:

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/april/a-note-from-the-chairman/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 16:06:57
This guy is crackers:

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/april/a-note-from-the-chairman/

The first part about the buyers or non-buyers is reminiscent in some ways of Holt in his Friday Statement heyday; the bit about the "well, I might not have paid them but it's only a few times, and only a bit late and they're all shit anyway" is breaking new ground though.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 16:17:42
This guy is crackers:

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/april/a-note-from-the-chairman/


[Nev]Utmost, it's utmost[/Nev]


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 16:44:18
Bury.  Points deduction?  STFC needs to keep on going to the end of the road.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 21:36:34
Macclesfield joining in the not paying wages fun:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47794984

TBF the best manager in the known universe can't come cheap, everyone needs to make sacrifices


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 12:30:04
Yet another winding up order down the road


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 12:45:57
Coventry talking to clubs about a groundshare for next season


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 12:48:22
Yet another winding up order down the road

Ď5 in a row, itís 5 in a row
Itís Oxford United
Theyíre going to blowí

Maybe this doesnít help

http://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/agents/intermediaries/intermediary-fees---1-february-2018-to-31-january-2019.ashx


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 13:31:15
Ď5 in a row, itís 5 in a row
Itís Oxford United
Theyíre going to blowí
Yet again, following in our wake. Winding-up orders, not paying players, financial chaos, honestly guys, this stuff is just so 2007


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 14:15:39
It makes a welcome change to see others having these problems and not us. Let's hope we can throw a promotion in the mix as well.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 14:37:37
One can only guess that laundering money from foreign shores is a tricky business.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 15:09:35
Ď5 in a row, itís 5 in a row
Itís Oxford United
Theyíre going to blowí

Maybe this doesnít help

http://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/agents/intermediaries/intermediary-fees---1-february-2018-to-31-january-2019.ashx

Always interesting to read these figures.... only 5 teams in Div 4 with a smaller spend than us.... Morecambe, Macc, Exeter, Crewe and surprisingly Bury.  Further, again unsurprisingly only Accy in Div 3

If you take the numbers as a rough guide to budgets, then  we've done reasonably well to get a mid table Div 4 perch this season.   Morecambe and Macc you'd expect to be 2 of the lower spending outfits, and Crewe with their emphasis on spending on their academy is no surprise. Exeter are Trust run and similarly like to bring through their own.  Bury though seem to have players who you've heard of who you'd expect a spend on.... maybe they got them all last season and so didn't recruit much in the summer  :hmmm:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 15:13:20
So whatís the usual outcome for clubs accumulating winding up petitions?

Southend have clocked up loads and seemingly use late paying as normal.

Youíd think that once a club has got into this state itís really only a change of ownership that can get them out of the mire.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 16:04:08
The only real impact is on obtaining lines of credit.  So long as you pay off the debt and avid being actually Wound-up, then you are good to go.  The financial impact long term is a constant raising of funds to clear short term debt, and as your lines of credit narrow, those loans tend to be from less financially viable options.  In our case, the banks withdrew all overdraft facilities for example, back the SSW period.  Bury likely will avoid theirs because it looks like they went to a Bridging loan specialist - doubt that comes with a 1% interest rate.  Oxford are channeling money in from outside of the UK, which is why they keep hitting road blocks as it is likely checked for dodgy origins.  Bolton can;t even fund the debt clearance and have had to rely on a sale being agreed to another dodgy owner, that the EFL have previously banned but seem likely to accept as the lesser evil vs. liquidation.  As you continue in that spiral, other creditors get squeezed - eventually the only real way out is new revenue, selling the business or getting some sort of agreements from Creditors to reduce the debts, possibly through giving equity.  As football clubs are a bit special, people tend to give them more rope.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Friday, April 5, 2019, 09:49:34

Some of the "Power out" pricks need to take a long look at this thread.

Shame about the Piss stains,mind.
Always upsetting to see a plucky little non-league side struggle after doing so well to get to league 1


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 5, 2019, 10:00:11
Shame about the Piss stains,mind.
Always upsetting to see a plucky little non-league side struggle after doing so well to get to league 1
:D


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 5, 2019, 12:53:11
Notts County on the verge of a takeover with an offer being accepted


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 5, 2019, 15:36:36
All looking rosy at Bolton isn't it.....

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17553562.bolton-wanderers-can-return-to-the-top-laurence-bassini-defends-record-as-former-watford-owner-confirms-he-is-close-to-completing-deal-to-buy-the-whites/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Bassini


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Friday, April 5, 2019, 17:51:59
Notts County on the verge of a takeover with an offer being accepted

Is the offer a 24" monitor instead of an 18" to make his cock look bigger?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 13:21:24
More financial problems at Bury.

https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/17548210.bury-fc-staff-and-players-not-paid-last-months-wages-amid-financial-issues-at-club/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 8, 2019, 14:58:21
Never fear Bolton supporters need not fear..... http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2040104-new-owner-for-bolton-wanderers-could-be-confirmed-within-days?

Not sure that the FL should be doing this with such a basket case... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47853058

Whilst the Bury shit show continues.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47821914


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 12, 2019, 12:47:10
All still going swimmingly in the north west...

Be interested to see the FL response to this.... https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17565956.bolton-supporters-trust-seek-answers-from-efl-chief-shaun-harvey/

Looking like a two window embargo will be imposed shortly... and still no sign of the imminent sale https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17566643.bolton-players-meet-with-pfa-to-discuss-their-next-move-in-pay-row/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 12, 2019, 18:00:22
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47911284


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 19:39:26
Bolton had 9 away fans at Derby today. That's not a typo, you only needed one thumb (plus fingers) to count their total away support


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 19:46:09
Are you sure?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 19:56:13
Are you sure?
Reported on 5 live by their reporter at the game who claimed she had counted them individually. Didn't take her long apparently (and now that I think about it, I pinched the "only needed one thumb" gag from her. Sorry)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 21:11:24
Boycott


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 21:46:56
That's not a typo, you only needed one thumb (plus fingers) to count their total away support

Depending on which part of the country you come from


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 23:05:35
Depending on which part of the country you come from
Sorry, yes, Dorset-adjusted you could count their fans on the fingers of one and a half hands. Or there was as many fans as 3 mens' nipples.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 21:08:43
Bolton are creaking.

The EFL have told the Supporters Trust that they are satisfied the club has the funding to see the season out -but the players remain unpaid for March.  The Council are threatening to stop the weekend fixture if no guarantees are forthcoming about staffing.  The players, if indeed not paid, are now at the point where they can provide 14 days notice to quit their contracts and something like all but 9 are out of contract at the end of the season anyway, with nobody in the club available to negotiate contract extensions or bring in new players over the summer.  Even if they avoid the winding-up order, the best they can hope for is starting next season in L1 without a full squad and under the control of a guy previously banned by the EFL from running a club for 3 years!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 21:13:47
I'm numb to the notion that a team the size of Bolton will plummet harder than their current pending relegation.

Of course, the angsty Swindon fan that I am knows that if/when this happens to Town (again) then we'd find ourselves in the Western League.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 09:30:08
Sorry, yes, Dorset-adjusted you could count their fans on the fingers of one and a half hands. Or there was as many fans as 3 mens' nipples.

I went to school with someone with three thumbs, true story!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 09:31:31
Bolton are creaking.

The EFL have told the Supporters Trust that they are satisfied the club has the funding to see the season out -but the players remain unpaid for March.  The Council are threatening to stop the weekend fixture if no guarantees are forthcoming about staffing.  The players, if indeed not paid, are now at the point where they can provide 14 days notice to quit their contracts and something like all but 9 are out of contract at the end of the season anyway, with nobody in the club available to negotiate contract extensions or bring in new players over the summer.  Even if they avoid the winding-up order, the best they can hope for is starting next season in L1 without a full squad and under the control of a guy previously banned by the EFL from running a club for 3 years!

Thing is, its been like this for three weeks with the same midweek trauma about the weekend fixture and safety, at what stage does someone do something?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 09:37:17
I went to school with someone with three thumbs, true story!

That's evolution.
We are at the stage where frantic double thumb action on a mobile phone keypad is not enough.
Humans need more thumbs.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 09:50:58
That's evolution.
We are at the stage where frantic double thumb action on a mobile phone keypad is not enough.
Humans need more thumbs.

That was 30+ years ago, he was well ahead of his time!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 10:06:06
In happier news looks like the Oyston/Blackpool empire continues to be dismantled.... http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2040591-holiday-resort-hotel-brought-to-market-for-9.7m?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NorthWest_17th_Apr_2019_Daily


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Munichred on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 12:54:36
I went to school with someone with three thumbs, true story!

I was born with three thumbs. Actually 2 1/2, just from the joint. I wish someone had photographed them before the removal operation when i was about a year old. My right thumbnail is about two thirds the size of my left  ;)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 13:26:58
I was born with three thumbs. Actually 2 1/2, just from the joint. I wish someone had photographed them before the removal operation when i was about a year old. My right thumbnail is about two thirds the size of my left  ;)

Sounds the same as the lad I went to school with, but he must not have had the op as he still had the arrangement at Primary School!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 14:18:33
Sounds the same as the lad I went to school with, but he must not have had the op as he still had the arrangement at Primary School!

This is one of those conversations we're reeeeally not going to want fans of other clubs to see.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 14:44:00
This is one of those conversations we're reeeeally not going to want fans of other clubs to see.

For the record (and any other fans reading) I went to school in Oxfordshire!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 14:55:40
For the record (and any other fans reading) I went to school in Oxfordshire!

 :clap:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 16:00:19
Bolton confirm they have been sold to Laurence Bassini. A bloke who has been bankrupt twice, and was forced out of Watford,

Oh dear


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 16:31:01
This Bassini thing baffles me.
Ok, he's done his time, but does the 'fit and proper' test extend beyond just a proof of funds into evidence of a long term business plan?
The power's that be taking the line of least resistance by the look of it.

Not had a look at their forum, but I wonder if any of their fans are saying it would be better to just fold and start again? A sense of PL entitlement is still fresh for many I guess.

Anyway, fuck em, they were living way beyond their means in the L1 promotion season and crossing 6 lanes (or so it seemed) of traffic to get to the station from the ground wasn't fun.



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 16:51:30
This Bassini thing baffles me.
Ok, he's done his time, but does the 'fit and proper' test extend beyond just a proof of funds into evidence of a long term business plan?
The power's that be taking the line of least resistance by the look of it.

Not had a look at their forum, but I wonder if any of their fans are saying it would be better to just fold and start again? A sense of PL entitlement is still fresh for many I guess.

Anyway, fuck em, they were living way beyond their means in the L1 promotion season and crossing 6 lanes (or so it seemed) of traffic to get to the station from the ground wasn't fun.



Whats the saying about frying pan and fire.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Bassini

The BTL comments on here say it all really..... https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17580329.laurence-bassini-closes-in-on-takeover-at-bolton-wanderers/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 17:32:31
This Bassini thing baffles me.
Ok, he's done his time, but does the 'fit and proper' test extend beyond just a proof of funds into evidence of a long term business plan?
The power's that be taking the line of least resistance by the look of it.
Jed Mc(random surname) passed the fit and proper test, thats all you need to know :D


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 13:04:25
If I were a Bolton fan I would be very concerned based upon his shoe choice alone....

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17584703.welcome-to-wanderers-bassini-rides-into-the-unibol-after-takeover/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 26, 2019, 13:16:09
Bury have now been put up for sale, owner saying they need £1.6m over the summer to pay debts, wages etc, but they project to get £180,000 - could be interesting as HMRC are one that is owned and they like their court cases.



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 26, 2019, 13:37:23
It rather begs the question how they managed to get their wage funding cleared by the FL?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Friday, April 26, 2019, 14:04:03
Bolton players threatening to strike and not play in tomorrows game if they are not paid by close of play today


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 26, 2019, 14:34:32
I didn't realise that in all the time that Doidge was at Bolton, FGR were paying his wages. Bolton basically got a free loan for half the season with no outlay!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 26, 2019, 16:05:36
Bolton players threatening to strike and not play in tomorrows game if they are not paid by close of play today

Makes fun reading

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17600490.bolton-players-issue-pay-ultimatum-over-championship-clash/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Friday, April 26, 2019, 22:41:29
Bolton game called off


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 26, 2019, 22:45:33
So if they can't fulfill their fixtures, then... ?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Friday, April 26, 2019, 22:59:48
Expel them from the league i say

Knowing the EFL though, they will give brentford a points deduction


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, April 27, 2019, 06:14:27
Expel them from the league i say

Knowing the EFL though, they will give brentford a points deduction

Fair I say. I cant stand brentford.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 27, 2019, 06:24:35
Wanker John McGinley


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 27, 2019, 10:19:51
Ancient rivalries etc aside, this could very easily have been us a few years ago, and we may yet end up there again. The League's "they're just businesses, nothing we can do really" attitude to some of our most ancient clubs is a massive failure of stewardship. Hope Bolton get through this, preferably without Bassini


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 14:55:48
Bassini deal on the brink, players still not paid, League now talking about the Brentford game being played after the end of the season. I'd have thought they'd be rather more worried about whether Bolton can fulfil their next fixture as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48103967


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 15:12:04
demote them 2 divisions and replace them with the first team in the league beginning with 'Swindo'


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 15:15:03
demote them 2 divisions and replace them with the first team in the league beginning with 'Swindo'

I can't see any other option.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 15:20:24
Bassini deal on the brink, players still not paid, League now talking about the Brentford game being played after the end of the season. I'd have thought they'd be rather more worried about whether Bolton can fulfil their next fixture as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48103967

I am not sure Ken is really in a position to be issuing deadlines.....

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17607180.deal-or-no-deal-bolton-issue-laurence-bassini-with-final-deadline/

The Chief Football writer on the local rag seems to be a fan which must be a nice touch, plus he seems to know tyhe significance of a good old statement https://twitter.com/MarcIles/status/1123179371278295041


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 15:52:15
I like the way the EFL have been taking pot shots at the club for not fulfilling it's fixture with Brentford and then not scheduling it this week.  What are they supposed to do - the current owner has all but done a runner and the accounts are frozen with an adjourned Winding-Up order hanging over the business.  The proposed new owner should pass a fit for anything test and the EFL can't sign him off in time anyway, the players and staff have not been paid for nearly two months now, the club doesn't have a safety certificate for the ground, or any players being paid to play the match.

They just seem paralysed by the fear f having to expunge Bolton's results for the season, throwing the promotion and relegation races into potential chaos.  There is a real chance Bolton don't play either of their remaining fixtures as a minimum here.

Power Out.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 16:06:25
I like the way the EFL have been taking pot shots at the club for not fulfilling it's fixture with Brentford and then not scheduling it this week.  What are they supposed to do - the current owner has all but done a runner and the accounts are frozen with an adjourned Winding-Up order hanging over the business.  The proposed new owner should pass a fit for anything test and the EFL can't sign him off in time anyway, the players and staff have not been paid for nearly two months now, the club doesn't have a safety certificate for the ground, or any players being paid to play the match.

They just seem paralysed by the fear f having to expunge Bolton's results for the season, throwing the promotion and relegation races into potential chaos.  There is a real chance Bolton don't play either of their remaining fixtures as a minimum here.

Power Out.

I cannot be bothered to do the maths, but there is a suggestion that if Bolton's resulted are expunged it could be very good news for West Brom? 

The scary thing is that we have made much of how vital it is for viability that a club owns its ground and has further sources of non football income, yet Bolton own the ground, and a bloody hotel and its come to this....


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 16:08:00
We all know this isn't staff and fans fault, but surely the EFL have to come down on Bolton the FC like a ton of bricks over this.

They've at the very least been spending money they don't have. At worst they won't fulfill their fixtures.

I actually have a lot of sympathy, could be us again one day. But...


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 16:13:24
The "view' is that money may well have been shifted around a lot - so while it is undoubtedly got some grounding in over spending vs. income, there is likely an issue with where the cash has been going that does come in.  HMRC is always an interesting one - basic accounting is that you should be able to pay that one - you take money on behalf of the Government, so banking on using it for anything other than paying your tax bill is pretty bad practice to begin with.  Not being able to pay wages would have little to do with long term debt, so again suggests things are being paid in the wrong order at the very least.  At worst, someone is doing ok out of this and might have other businesses that needed some cash, or for personal reasons.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 16:21:04
The scary thing is that we have made much of how vital it is for viability that a club owns its ground and has further sources of non football income, yet Bolton own the ground, and a bloody hotel and its come to this....
Well yes it is, but you still need to run the business properly. You can have all the assets in the world, but if you run the business like a twat, problems may well ensue.... We were probably better off not owing our own ground in our period of prolonged twattery.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 16:36:51
The "view' is that money may well have been shifted around a lot - so while it is undoubtedly got some grounding in over spending vs. income, there is likely an issue with where the cash has been going that does come in.  HMRC is always an interesting one - basic accounting is that you should be able to pay that one - you take money on behalf of the Government, so banking on using it for anything other than paying your tax bill is pretty bad practice to begin with.  Not being able to pay wages would have little to do with long term debt, so again suggests things are being paid in the wrong order at the very least.  At worst, someone is doing ok out of this and might have other businesses that needed some cash, or for personal reasons.

I suppose in those circumstances the FC may well be considered the victim (fraud or whatever) and the FA/EFL may take a kinder view if the individuals are removed.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 16:58:03
I suppose in those circumstances the FC may well be considered the victim (fraud or whatever) and the FA/EFL may take a kinder view if the individuals are removed.

But the FC is owned by the owners if that makes sense, so not sure how one can separate the two, its like when people babble on about Power fucking off, seeming to miss that as it stands whether we like it or not Power and STFC are one and the same in commercial entity terms.

It could have so nearly been us previously but I fear it does need a reasonably big club to crash and burn spectacularly before something actually gets done!  :no:


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 17:02:41
We all know this isn't staff and fans fault, but surely the EFL have to come down on Bolton the FC like a ton of bricks over this.

I did start to feel a smudge of sympathy, and then I remembered John McGinlay.


Title: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 17:04:22
The way I think of it is the FC is the corporate entity that the owner  (or shell company) owns.

The owner can fleece his own company. Hence the company is a victim.

pah, probably nonsense. you're right.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 17:05:26
I did start to feel a smudge of sympathy, and then I remembered Wanker John McGinlay.
Corrected for you. Must give him his full name.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 17:18:57
The EFL just gave Blackpool a lifeline because they determined that the issue was a personal one between two sets of people using the football club as a pawn, and that case a Judge had to find the Oyston's had indeed been funneling money away from another shareholder.  Bolton doesn't look quite the same but it does look possible that the majority shareholder has been moving money about his own personal businesses.  Nothing confirmed, but that is the potential allegation it seems.  You also Diamond Mike types, you charge Consultancy fees or ensure contracts end-up in the right places.

At Bolton - the Hotel has actually also been served with a Winding Up order - it looks like it will get messy for them, whatever happens.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 17:19:33
The way I think of it is the FC is the corporate entity that the owner  (or shell company) owns.

The owner can fleece his own company. Hence the company is a victim.
Legally, you're correct. Directors (even when they are also owners) still have a duty of care to run the company properly and within the law. Which is how our own Mikey D came to be "asked to step aside from being a director for a while" (as he put it - or "banned for 10 years" as the law put it).


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 17:31:47
I did start to feel a smudge of sympathy, and then I remembered John McGinlay.
And don't forget that cunt mcateer. In the semi up there he elbowed one of ours and got away with it when it should have been red.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 08:56:51
Macclesfield rocking the "Town under Diamond Mike" look, late paying players for 3rd month in a row:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48113251


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 09:20:16
The EFL just gave Blackpool a lifeline because they determined that the issue was a personal one between two sets of people using the football club as a pawn, and that case a Judge had to find the Oyston's had indeed been funneling money away from another shareholder. 

Funny you mention Blackpool, its being suggested that Oyston is close to getting the cash together via 3rd party funding to retain a 20% holding in the company so not entirely out of the woods yet.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 09:45:05
Funny you mention Blackpool, its being suggested that Oyston is close to getting the cash together via 3rd party funding to retain a 20% holding in the company so not entirely out of the woods yet.
Largely being dismissed as bollocks here on the Fylde but I suppose you never know. Andrew Pilley seems to be the favoured choice amongst Blackpool fans, if he can somehow get around the whole conflict of interest thing. He's currently chairman and owner of Fleetwood but is rumoured to have handed over to a family member.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 10:02:26
Largely being dismissed as bollocks here on the Fylde but I suppose you never know. Andrew Pilley seems to be the favoured choice amongst Blackpool fans, if he can somehow get around the whole conflict of interest thing. He's currently chairman and owner of Fleetwood but is rumoured to have handed over to a family member.

Ooh sounds like the halcyon days of when Maxwell funded Oxford on the back of embezzling the pension fund of the Mirror workers, he then acquired Derby in his son's name. 

I always thought we dodged a bullet when Cap'n Bob wanted Thames Valley Royals at Didcot, in a new build stadium.

As it transpired would have been about ripe for the Prem, and could have meant a power house club 20 mins down the line from Swindon.



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 2, 2019, 21:05:27
https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/may/club-statement/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 2, 2019, 21:07:40
oops. administration beckons. which may actually be better


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, May 3, 2019, 13:02:46
Bolton v Brentford has been binned!

https://twitter.com/skysportsnews/status/1124278531809337344?s=21



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 3, 2019, 13:11:43
Southend.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48134629

Gateshead FC in financial trouble too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48134461

And down here Yeovil takeover almost completed, being bought by an American Rob Couhig who has been bankrupt already twice in the US, it doesn't bode well for them.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Friday, May 3, 2019, 13:28:33
The FL really need to do something - but of course we all know they wont, that's probably 2 clubs, maybe 3 that may end up in administration in the next few weeks, then include Blackpool as well


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 3, 2019, 13:39:12
The FL really need to do something - but of course we all know they wont, that's probably 2 clubs, maybe 3 that may end up in administration in the next few weeks, then include Blackpool as well
Let's not forget Coventry with their ongoing ground issues, Bury are in real financial trouble despite doing well on the pitch and Macclesfield are also struggling on and off the pitch, 3rd successive month they've not been able to pay players on time


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 3, 2019, 13:42:45
The FL really need to do something - but of course we all know they wont, that's probably 2 clubs, maybe 3 that may end up in administration in the next few weeks, then include Blackpool as well
Bury could be in admin in the next few weeks too, the list is almost endless of clubs in real financial trouble.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 3, 2019, 13:43:19
Thank fuck we have Power at the helm  ;)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 3, 2019, 13:53:25
That Bassini fella who tried to buy Bolton but didnít actually have a pot to piss in and was just a front man for God knows who is very similar to the piss stains and that little Thai fella.

A real mystery as to who actually is financing - or, judged by the number of winding up orders, not financing - them.

I canít believe how football clubs are allowed to operate with such flimsy evidence of ownership. All this non disclosure of transfer fees and other financial shenanigans seem to be normal practice for some reason.

No wonder lower league football clubs are seen as the perfect vehicles for money laundering.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 3, 2019, 13:58:12
Indeed, one reason a loss making football club isn't really an issue for them - any funds cleared are good for business.  Loan this business "money", get regular payments in return with a bit of interest - maybe you end-up being defaulted on, but by then you've washed enough to have made it worthwhile.  Oxford seem to have their problems entirely because that funding is coming from outside the country when bills are due - the club, like most at this level, doesn't have enough cash to cover it's own bills.  Normally you'd have someone in country chucking some investment in or loaning money, but they have to keep getting funds from abroad sent through which get stuck.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 3, 2019, 14:23:17
Curiouser and curiouser said Alice....

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17616718.efl-confirm-laurence-bassinis-status-at-bolton-wanderers/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 3, 2019, 14:34:41

Gateshead FC in financial trouble too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48134461


Be sad if anything befalls the Mighty Heed, spent a happy couple of seasons regularly watching them!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 3, 2019, 16:07:52
Bolton allegedly owe FGR up to 600k in unpaid wages for Doidge!  Surely that must include the original transfer fee they were going to pay after the loan?  If not, that may explain FGR's position in the table.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 3, 2019, 16:11:26
Bolton allegedly owe FGR up to 600k in unpaid wages for Doidge!  Surely that must include the original transfer fee they were going to pay after the loan?  If not, that may explain FGR's position in the table.

I mentioned up thread that Bolton never paid Doidge a penny, his wages all the time he was at Bolton were still being paid by FGR.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 3, 2019, 16:29:29
It's the amount which was eye opening.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 3, 2019, 16:37:59
It's the amount which was eye opening.
Doidge was on loan at Bolton for exactly 4 months.

FGR only paid his FGR contract for 4 months not his newly agreed Bolton contract which was allegedly more. So that means that FGR are paying Doidge between £1.2m and £1.8m per year.

I think that proves how much silly money the vegan twat is paying their players  trying to get promotion. We cannot compete with that, our full wage budget was hinted at by Power was £1.8m for the whole squad for the season.


Title: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 3, 2019, 16:45:02
wonder how much shit Bolton are in now the Brentford game has been awarded.

is this the first time a league fixture hasn't been played for reasons other than war or tragedy? Reg?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, May 3, 2019, 16:46:37
Surely if you cannot complete your fixtures there has to be a question of expulsion from the leagues?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 3, 2019, 16:47:20
Surely if you cannot complete your fixtures there has to be a question of expulsion from the leagues?

Indeed thats what I thought too.


Title: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 3, 2019, 16:50:44
They're guilty of misconduct according to the EFL... we'll see

edit, ok, it'll be one of

83.1.1

imposing a fixed penalty in accordance with the provisions of Regulation 86;

83.1.2

referring the matter to a Disciplinary Commission appointed under Regulation 88; or

83.1.3

referring the matter to the Football Association in accordance with Regulation 87


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, May 3, 2019, 17:10:38
.. and then something from the Ďpick listí in Regulation 91.2:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-8---offences-inquiries-commissions-disputes-and-appeals/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 3, 2019, 17:24:11
You'd expect a points deduction carried into next season, given the league has used that before for a club not playing a game when requested.  Add that to any points deduction for Admin and they could be in trouble next year before it has started, layered onto a summer of not signing players I imagine.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 3, 2019, 17:35:40
wonder how much shit Bolton are in now the Brentford game has been awarded.

is this the first time a league fixture hasn't been played for reasons other than war or tragedy? Reg?

I seem to remember Aldershot went tits up during the season, and certainly Accrington Stanley in their original incarnation did.

Accy's results were just expunged so a 44 game season rather than 46.

Aldershot managed about 30 odd games in 92, so their results were expunged along witn Maidstone a few months later Div 4 ended up a 42 game league of 22 clubs.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 3, 2019, 17:47:37
Anyone know if the POs in the Championship would be affected if Boltonís record was expunged?

Be bloody unfair if it does just for 2 games.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 3, 2019, 17:56:34
Yes - it moves West Brom into the Auto's I think.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Friday, May 3, 2019, 17:58:11
Isn't there something along the lines of if a club has fulfilled XX% of its fixtures the remaining ones are awarded to their opponents? Maybe as much as 90%? Therefore no expunging.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 3, 2019, 17:59:03
Whatever happens it's got to get messy now that a fixture has been cancelled.  Do Brentford benefit by getting 3 points, do other teams think that is unfair that lost against Bolton and might be closer to saving their season or in the play offs etc.  The EFL pretty much has to pressure them into Admin so they can get through the summer without throwing the season into chaos.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 3, 2019, 18:18:07
Didnít a club - Luton(?) - get docked 20-odd points once or am I dreaming that?

Boltonís debts £46m - is dwarfed during Pompeyís demise when they owed £135m. Although they probably still had oodles of parachute payments still coming through.

Almost guarantee now that Bolton will go into admin and get docked points for next season. Cue some other shark to take them over for fuck all and continue to suck any money they can get their hands on.

I thought FFP was supposed to cap these sort of debts from piling up.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Friday, May 3, 2019, 18:21:02
Kick em out the league.

The end.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, May 3, 2019, 18:21:17
Didnít a club - Luton(?) - get docked 20-odd points once or am I dreaming that?

Boltonís debts £46m - is dwarfed during Pompeyís demise when they owed £135m. Although they probably still had oodles of parachute payments still coming through.

Almost guarantee now that Bolton will go into admin and get docked points for next season. Cue some other shark to take them over for fuck all and continue to suck any money they can get their hands on.

I thought FFP was supposed to cap these sort of debts from piling up.
30 points was Lutonís penalty!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 3, 2019, 18:22:39
30 points was Lutonís penalty!
Lordy!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 3, 2019, 21:07:56
Boltonís debts £46m - is dwarfed during Pompeyís demise when they owed £135m. Although they probably still had oodles of parachute payments still coming through.

Almost guarantee now that Bolton will go into admin and get docked points for next season. Cue some other shark to take them over for fuck all and continue to suck any money they can get their hands on.

I thought FFP was supposed to cap these sort of debts from piling up.
There's quite a good piece in the Bolton News about how it's more cash flow than debts that have caused the problems:

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17606012.cash-flow-has-pushed-bolton-wanderers-to-the-very-edge/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 3, 2019, 21:33:52
30 points was Lutonís penalty!

Leeds also got docked points IIRC. Not sure what for and cannot be bothered to google it.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, May 3, 2019, 23:59:54
Leeds also got docked points IIRC. Not sure what for and cannot be bothered to google it.

15 pts 2007 for exiting administration without a cva


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 4, 2019, 05:30:09
15 pts 2007 for exiting administration without a cva

Cheers mate. On that bombshell, donít we win the star prize for a FL/FA punishment beating?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 14:27:22
Port Vale bought out, along with the ground. Good news for the club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48188086



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 14:49:22
The soap opera continues.... https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17622994.bolton-wanderers-supporters-trust-launch-fighting-fund/

The way that Ken has just walked away rather supports the suspicion that he did not invest a penny of his own cash in the club.....


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 10:10:29
Down here Yeovils dream takeover by the American millionaire has fallen through on the verge of him signing, his puppet manager has quit and he has walked away, Yeovil are in deep shit financially.

The Yank was bankrupt twice in the US and the FL did not consider him fit or proper after the test!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 10:49:36
Down here Yeovils dream takeover by the American millionaire has fallen through on the verge of him signing, his puppet manager has quit and he has walked away, Yeovil are in deep shit financially.

The Yank was bankrupt twice in the US and the FL did not consider him fit or proper after the test!
Christ, he must be about the only person to ever fail that test.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 10:57:48
Oh to be a Bolton fan today, in court and the best solution seems to be administration, reminds me of many a Friday afternoon in the office just constantly refreshing the web to see if we had survived another week.



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 10:58:08
Christ, he must be about the only person to ever fail that test.

The official line is
Quote

    Yeovil Town FC can confirm that it has not been possible to agree mutually acceptable terms and conditions with Feliciana EFL Limited and Mr. Robert Couhig, so the proposed sale of the Club to them will not go ahead. The Club will continue to seek potential investors whilst concentrating on planning to bounce back from relegation.

Ė Spokesperson, Yeovil Town Football Club
He could not secure enough funding to actually buy the club and failed the first "fit and proper test" back in February then appealled it and again failed on insuffiecient funding and chose to not appeal it again.

YTFC now actively searching for investors, with Harry Redknapp rumoured to be interested :D


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 11:01:28
Christ the club are in court fighting for their very survival and Ken decides its a good time to release more ramblings....

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/may/a-note-from-from-the-chairman/

TL/DR its not his fault!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 11:02:02
Bolton in admin according to their owner. 12 point deduction.

What i dont understand is why were Luton deducted 30 points? Why was there punishment more harsh?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 11:02:36
Christ, he must be about the only person to ever fail that test.

Werent there issues with our esteemed leader passing the test?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 11:06:10
Bolton in admin according to their owner. 12 point deduction.

What i dont understand is why were Luton deducted 30 points? Why was there punishment more harsh?

Haven't read it all, but summary here...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/jul/15/lutontown.leaguetwofootball

Seems to be a totting up process of points deductions from the FA and FL separately?

Its also being suggested that Bolton will be subject to a 2 year transfer embargo?

I wonder whether Bolton will be hit separately as per Luton, remember they have failed to complete their fixtures this season!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 11:15:48
What i dont understand is why were Luton deducted 30 points? Why was there punishment more harsh?

It was 10 points one season followed by 20 points the following season because they had been in Admin before the FL .
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The 20-point additional penalty related to the club's inability to agree a Company Voluntary Agreement (CVA) to exit administration, with the Football League pointing out that this is the third time in 10 years that Luton have been in such a position.

They also had 10 points because of agent irregularities.

Quote
10-point deduction for financial irregularities in regard to its dealings with agents

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/luton_town/7500435.stm


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 11:17:33
It was 10 points one season followed by 20 points the following season because they had been in Admin before the FL .

As per the link above I think the 10 points was due to financial,irregularities with agents.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 11:18:07
Yeah, not just the admin itself with them.

Southampton had the normal 10 points deduction too.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 11:47:34
I wonder whether Bolton will be hit separately as per Luton, remember they have failed to complete their fixtures this season!

That surely has to be resolved separately of the admin penalty.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 12:06:37
Just to be clear, as it stands Bolton are not in Administration (despite what seems to be being reported in certain media outlets), the hearing for both the club and the hotel has been adjourned to May 22.

Source: The Bolton News who have reporters in Court.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17625860.bolton-wanderers-given-breathing-space-to-appoint-administrator/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 13:43:43
Just to be clear, as it stands Bolton are not in Administration (despite what seems to be being reported in certain media outlets), the hearing for both the club and the hotel has been adjourned to May 22.
tbf, it's been adjourned so an adminstrator can be appointed. Think you're splitting hairs a little bit


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 14:30:27
tbf, it's been adjourned so an adminstrator can be appointed. Think you're splitting hairs a little bit

Its all still up in the air in terms of tactic I understaand, there are a lot of rumours floating about that the main creditors are clubbing together with one of the failed consortia to get Anderson out, be that either a) quietly by realising the game is up or b) by finally forcing the admin, getting his shares then selling to the consortia with whom one of the main creditors is now directly involved, hence why the NoI for admin were presented by different companies for the Hotel co and the Club co.?

Memories of the heady old days of Statement Friday!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 15:25:18
If it's the Creditors forcing the hand they will go into Admin one way or the other.  Probably get 3 point penalty for the fixture as well.  With their entire team leaving in the summer (most likely) and no new owner ready for the summer transfer period, even if they don't have an embargo, they could be a write off for next season already.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 22:59:13
Macclesfield players still not paid, despite securing the club's league status. Also considered a Bolton style strike for last game but decided not to due to importance of the match:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202505


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 10:26:32
Macclesfield players still not paid, despite securing the club's league status. Also considered a Bolton style strike for last game but decided not to due to importance of the match:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202505
Spent all their wages on getting in the best manager in the world to keep them up.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 10:47:33
Spent all their wages on getting in the best manager in the world to keep them up.

And what a great decision that turned out to be.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 10:54:34
And what a great decision that turned out to be.
Shame they spent all the money on the manager and not on the players that actually kept them up.

I bet Sol was paid on time.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 11:13:34
Do you know how much Sol Campbell is earning?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 11:16:31
Do you know how much Sol Campbell is earning?
Does it seem like I do or are you just picking holes in everything I post like normal? yes thought so.

Oh wait....oh the fucking irony....


Thanks.
Do you make any posts that arenít about me?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 11:21:37
Yes, it seems like you do considering twice you claimed that Macclesfield have spent all their money on their manager.



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 11:25:47
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/8P6kWZXDKw56U/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 13, 2019, 15:58:00
Bolton placed in administration today


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 13, 2019, 16:22:35
Bolton placed in administration today

Most surprising thing being they are the first club for 6 years to do so?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48257398

Whenever I see an issue of Admin I always think of our old friend and what he is up to these days....  https://www.quantuma.com/person/andrew-andronikou/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, May 13, 2019, 18:24:45
Bolton placed in administration today

Minus 12 pts from the EFL to start next season.
Be Interesting to if anymore added for failing to play the Brentford game


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 13, 2019, 18:42:20
it'll be  a disgrace if that's it.

You can't not complete fixtures without recourse


Title: Re: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, May 13, 2019, 20:01:07
it'll be  a disgrace if that's it.

You can't not complete fixtures without recourse
Surely there has to be a further points deduction of at least 3 points. That would happen in local football. Otherwise there is an incentive for not fulfilling fixtures.

Sent from my HTC U11


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, May 13, 2019, 21:49:16
Surely there has to be a further points deduction of at least 3 points. That would happen in local football. Otherwise there is an incentive for not fulfilling fixtures.

Sent from my HTC U11

Agreed.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 13, 2019, 22:51:19
Given those pesky Macclesfield players went and played under the same circumstances, I'd imagine the EFL will have their hand forced to do something, talk of up to 6 points.  Haven't they also got to exit in a CVA to avoid another points hit as well?

Anyway, they are screwed for next season - no chance of this getting done before they need to be signing players.  Their current Manager is waffling about the need to keep the squad together - someone might want to let him in on the secret.  He'll be lucky to have a job and his replacement will be lucky to have a coherent squad of any description by season start.  Very few worse times in a year for a football club to appoint and Administrator I'd imagine, especially when it comes after every player in contract is now able to serve notice and leave for free.

Bury are likely to cut costs next season as well, and they don't do well when being promoted after spending someone else's money anyway.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 13, 2019, 22:53:05
Oh, and the Administrator was the one that allowed Sisu to essentially buy back Coventry from themselves after going into Admin.  No guarantee's for Bolton that this works out well for them.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, May 14, 2019, 09:43:34
This could have gone in any number of threads, but another great rant from Andy Holt this morning:

Quote
Iíve had letters telling me of their powers to sanction me or our club: But let me say one thing clearly. @OfficialBWFC have not gone into admin because I tweet concerns. @buryfcofficial are not on their arse because I tweet concerns. @thesilkmen [email protected] @SUFCRootsHall @oldham and many others (allegedly) are not paying wages at all, or have been late paying, because I tweet concerns. @Official_NCFC a founder member, have not gone out of @EFL because of my tweeting concerns. @BlackpoolFC fans have not gone years...absent from their club because of my tweeting concerns. @BCFC have not been deducted 9 points because I tweet concerns. @SkyBetChamp clubs are not losing over HALF A BILLION a year because I tweet concerns. @CAFCofficial supporters are not placarding @EFL with @Coventry_City and @BlackpoolFC fans because of me. Tweeting concerns. Supporters are not boycotting games in @CheckatradeTrpy because of me tweeting concerns. @SkyBetChamp clubs were not threatening a breakaway because. I tweet concerns. I could go on for another hour on this. The fact is all the above and much more is down to you @EFL @premierleague @FA ITíS YOUR responsibility. ITíS YOUR JOB to manage and protect the framework our clubs should thrive in. The fact is, Iím tweeting my concerns, because you are failing my club and all the....others. The fact is, you canít hide from the mess that has been created in our game. Who else can be responsible??? There is no one to voice concerns to!! Might as well talk to the wall. We need to talk EXISTENTIAL THREATS to our game. The first threat is inaction by the bodies looking after our clubs and footballís long term health and well being, not doing their jobs properly. Iím going for a brew now and may start with the rest of the threats later.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, May 14, 2019, 15:14:49
PNE have sent £2000 food vouchers to Bolton for the unpaid staff struggling to feed families

https://twitter.com/theawayfans/status/1128301146148413440?s=09

No love lost for either team but a decent gesture from Preston


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 14, 2019, 16:14:20
And an emergency foodbank set up for unpaid staff. An emergency foodbank. In a game that pays some individuals up to half a million pounds a week, and where clubs gave Scudamore a £5m leaving gift off a whipround. Jesus Wept


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 11:34:52
Bury's fans have had to club together to raise money for food vouchers for the club's staff who still haven't been paid all of April's wages

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48358800


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 11:41:17
Bury's fans have had to club together to raise money for food vouchers for the club's staff who still haven't been paid all of April's wages

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48358800

And yet they were still allowed to go up. It's cheating. Plain and simple.



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 12:23:48
It's cheating. Plain and simple.
It really is. The FL/FA should do something, thats not sour grapes that is just cheating the rules.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 12:36:09
It really is. The FL/FA should do something, thats not sour grapes that is just cheating the rules.

Or is it cheating within the rules?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 12:40:15
https://twitter.com/nickyadams10/status/1131244386208092161

Strong Statement from Bury players asking for Chairman to sell up


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:14:39
Or is it cheating within the rules?
I think there is a massive amount of twisting the rules definately.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:18:02
Or is it cheating within the rules?

I really don't understand how they could have done it within the rules - they must be using some dodgy numbers to achieve the % of turnover thing for wages?  It looks like any funding they have had was a result of loans, not investment or sponsorship, and the turnover doesn't seem to cover the wage bill, let alone being a % of it.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:21:01
fair enough,  which case the EFL should be all over it and if it's proven the club sanctioned

as you were


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:23:30
Bury should be deducted points or have a transfer embargo placed on them for at least the next transfer window.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:25:15
fair enough,  which case the EFL should be all over it and if it's proven the club sanctioned

as you were

The EFL are all over this shit, they said they were concerned about the finances, job done.  Integrity of the league retained.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:36:58
oh, well, if they're are at 'defcon: concerned' what more can be done.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 13:53:09
Hope I'm wrong but don't think the governance will improve in EFL any time soon - Isn't it the owners of the clubs that would have to vote to change the system?

The turnover rule is too easily manipulated.  Until there is strong governance over cashflows and related party/director loans then clubs are easy pickings.   

For example perhaps season ticket monies should be held centrally in EFL segregated accounts and then released over 12 months or for certain expenses, so the owner cash grab is a little harder and will be spotted sooner.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 19:58:20
https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/may/a-statement-from-the-chairman/

Statement time!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 20:36:06
Extraordinary statement.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 20:40:04
Some poor press officer has been emailed that and been told to put it online. They probably support the club.

The best bit is that at the bottom there are related articles:

A message from the Chairman 25 April
Statement from the Chairman 10 April
A note from the Chairman 10 April
Statement from the Chairman 4 April 2019

Christ.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 21:08:10
Well, that's a classic, but at least he's openly stated they cheated.  The fact they are going to pay wages for the past few months, that the PFA have loaned, with next seasons ticket money.  Pretty much admits they spent way more than they had coming through the door this season to get promotion, in fact, they couldn't even pay those wages that got them over the line. If I was Mansfield, I'd be after them.  On top of that, what the fuck happens once they pay the back pay - they've got no money left for next season.

That's on top of the bizarre nature of the statement, which was a jolly good read I must say.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 21:31:51
that's a work of art of a statement.

a right Jackson Pollock


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 21:37:49
He actually blames some of the staff at one point.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, May 23, 2019, 22:18:00
Phew. I needed Google translate for some of that. It sure wasn't in English. . Although I have a sort of English word for it. Clusterfuck


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 24, 2019, 09:24:37
All seems to have an air of Jed about it, guy buys club which was in grave danger of disappearing altogether if they didn't but then doesn't actually have the cash to take it forward.

Its similar to us with Power, if the club wasn't a bit of a basket case these people would not be able to afford to buy in the first place, likewise anyone with cash and sense will buy further up the ladder with better prospects and revenues.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 24, 2019, 09:52:27
Jesus, that's really quite special. You can almost hear his eyes swivelling as he bashes the keyboard composing it


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 24, 2019, 17:54:25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48398640

Looks like Gateshead are finished - relegated 2 divisions, no players.  Phoenix club is probably the best option now.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Private Fraser on Sunday, May 26, 2019, 14:24:10
Looks like Coventry will definitely be taking part (somewhere) next season:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48413990


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Monday, May 27, 2019, 10:15:43
Looks like Coventry will definitely be taking part (somewhere) next season:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48413990

St Andrews I read somewhere.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 27, 2019, 10:18:58
St Andrews I read somewhere.
Wow playing on a golf course, The Ricoh used to have a bit pitch but thats ridiculous!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 28, 2019, 10:21:23
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48398640

Looks like Gateshead are finished - relegated 2 divisions, no players.  Phoenix club is probably the best option now.

The whole things a mess, the fans group who were looking to start the phoenix club thought they had bought the club last week, to the extent of handing over £25k to the owner and getting him off the directors register at Companies House and getting a new name on, however a day later that was all revered, what has happened to the money seems unclear and the whole thing has got lost in the news of NUFC being possibly taken over.

Really feel for the fans!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 28, 2019, 12:44:29
Another club in dire straights.... the name might ring a bell with a few people *cough* Chester...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48344614


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 28, 2019, 14:01:01
Another club in dire straights.... the name might ring a bell with a few people *cough* Chester...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48344614
God is he still going? Thought he was banned. How the hell is he:
a) not in jail?
b) allowed anywhere near running a football club?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 28, 2019, 15:03:55
God is he still going? Thought he was banned. How the hell is he:
a) not in jail?
b) allowed anywhere near running a football club?

His old man is banned, I think? I think the assets were transferred to Jr after snr was banned from being a director just offered to step back for a while* for 12 years or whatever?

*(c) Diamond Mikey D!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 28, 2019, 16:06:14
His old man is banned, I think? I think the assets were transferred to Jr after snr was banned from being a director just offered to step back for a while* for 12 years or whatever?

*(c) Diamond Mikey D!
Ah yes, it was the old man who was banned and then continued to run clubs using jr as a proxy (allegedly). At least until Jr was jailed for helping a guy who killed a copper to evade capture:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/former-footballer-stephen-vaughan-jailed-11120365

Looks like he picked up where he left off


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 30, 2019, 14:32:54
More trouble for Bury:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/29/bury-financial-crisis-loan-former-owner-stewart-day-winding-up-petition-debt


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Waffle on Thursday, May 30, 2019, 15:31:12
More trouble for Bury:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/29/bury-financial-crisis-loan-former-owner-stewart-day-winding-up-petition-debt

Looks like they may be in League 2 if this keeps up. May be able to get a player or two from them?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 31, 2019, 11:08:48
Interesting thread on Bristol Rovers accounts (published today) which show:

1) wages were 97% of income
2) they lost £65k per week from day-to-day operations
3) wages went up 12% and revenue down 12%
4) currently £20m in debt, relying on a holding company to stay afloat

In terms of FFP they're not ruined yet, but if they lose the same amount next year they could be looking at a points deduction

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1134348659468976128


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 31, 2019, 11:19:36
Rovers are certainly not the only ones in the lower 2 divisions to be like this, so many clubs flying close to the wind, hoping for that promotion season or good cup run to break even.

So many of the clubs are being propped up by an individual backer like Mansfield, FGR, Cheltenham, Yeovil, Notts County, Crawley etc etc.

The episodes at Bury, Bolton and Gateshead are likely to become a yearly occurance as teams chase the "big time" and the financial rewards of the upper 2 leagues.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, May 31, 2019, 11:26:53
Now that Bristol City have got their act together (also with the help of a wealthy financial backer, it has to be said), I doubt very much that a city the size of Bristol will be able to sustain two league clubs in the longer term.  Rovers' future is going to be particularly challenging.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RedRag on Friday, May 31, 2019, 11:31:17
Not sure about the Championship, Venks.  I understand that's where the biggest losses tend to be.  Almost impossible for a smaller club such as ourselves to compete with clubs with much bigger followings and/or parachute payments.

We are however punching below our weight in League Two.  Not saying we're too good for it but we should never be languishing in it.  It is tinpot for a club with our support and potential.  I'm certainly concerned that League 2 seems to be a level gaining acceptance amongst some of our fans.  

Pragmatism yes but ambition over fatalism anyday.  We have a number of advantages at our present level.  Shared ground ownership would be another one.  Onwards and upwards please.  


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 31, 2019, 11:48:51
Not sure about the Championship, Venks.  I understand that's where the biggest losses tend to be.  Almost impossible for a smaller club such as ourselves to compete with clubs with much bigger followings and/or parachute payments.
Oh absolutely the Championshp is the one with the greatest potential operating losses because teams over spend to reach the giddy heights of the Premier League.

After all if teams like Swindon can get there then there is hope for all the "smaller" clubs.

Many many clubs over extend themselves in trying to reach the "promised land" as the rewards can far outweigh the negatives financially, but thats only if you eventually do reach it.

Bolton gambled and failed, Shitty are gambling and failed this time but with their backing they could eventually reach it but before they do the operating losses will be massive, as they are already, but one season could well underwrite that....eventually.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 31, 2019, 11:50:23
Not sure about the Championship, Venks.  I understand that's where the biggest losses tend to be.  Almost impossible for a smaller club such as ourselves to compete with clubs with much bigger followings and/or parachute payments.

We are however punching below our weight in League Two.  Not saying we're too good for it but we should never be languishing in it.  It is tinpot for a club with our support and potential.  I'm certainly concerned that League 2 seems to be a level gaining acceptance amongst some of our fans.  

Pragmatism yes but ambition over fatalism anyday.  We have a number of advantages at our present level.  Shared ground ownership would be another one.  Onwards and upwards please.  


There does seem to be a number on here, who are grateful to Power for at least keeping us afloat as a middling Div 4 outfit, rather than accepting we should be able to sustain a middling Div 3 club, as we have been for most of our 100 years in the FL.  I still maintain Power needs to up his game and get us back, to the Div 3 perch he inherited as owner.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, May 31, 2019, 12:16:23
If Power get's us back to that point, Reg, along with ground ownership and a club owned (we still don't know yet either way) training ground then would a few seasons in Div 4 be forgivable if we suddenly become an attractive investment opportunity?

On paper he'd be the best owner we've perhaps ever had. 


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 12:19:30
More trouble for Bury:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/29/bury-financial-crisis-loan-former-owner-stewart-day-winding-up-petition-debt

I think this case sums up completely why football clubs should be not for profit trusts, rather than companies with far stricter governance placed on loans.   Whilst company A can borrow a £1m at 138% API secured on the assets of football club B every club is in danger.   Clubs should also not be able to borrow against future season ticket revenue (like Rangers did) or sell off 10 years of canteen revenue!

Our chairman's decision making has seen us go backwards, but he's not done anything over the last 5 years to suggest that he would do anything like this (unlike numerous other chairmen we've had in the recent past).   For me the constant hate towards him seems unjustified - there's a difference between poor decisions, made in good faith and a deliberate, unethical and borderline criminal cash grab.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 31, 2019, 12:20:04
Will joint ownership mean that it would be impossible for one party individually to, say, raise a loan on their half?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RedRag on Friday, May 31, 2019, 12:34:02
Good question.  My unscientific take is that it would depend on the terms of co-ownership agreed.  

It may be that to, a reduced extent, Power could obtain better borrowing terms or more extended credit from a lender either through fixed or floating charges or a direct equitable charge on a half share.  

It would (surely) be impossible under the terms of any co-ownership arrangement for a sale of the CG itself ever to be enforced by a creditor to recover his loan.  

However Power/the club may well wish to obtain limited benefit at the expense of charging its share in the CG - even to repay Power's own lending to the club.  Indeed the very purchase by Power/the Club will require financial outlay that would need securing.

Accountants and trust member input, anyone?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 31, 2019, 12:40:09
If Power get's us back to that point, Reg, along with ground ownership and a club owned (we still don't know yet either way) training ground then would a few seasons in Div 4 be forgivable if we suddenly become an attractive investment opportunity?

On paper he'd be the best owner we've perhaps ever had. 

I don't think we'll pull in any extra fans, because Power owns a bit of Highworth or half the CG.... however we might pullin a few extra if we get back to Div 3 and play some winning football again at the CG.  That's what I'll carrying on basing my judgement of Power on.  I'm not sure the ownerships are necessary to make that happen....


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, May 31, 2019, 12:45:20
I don't think we'll pull in any extra fans, because Power owns a bit of Highworth or half the CG.... however we might pullin a few extra if we get back to Div 3 and play some winning football again at the CG.  That's what I'll carrying on basing my judgement of Power on.  I'm not sure the ownerships are necessary to make that happen....

So better to be ran like Bury than us?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, May 31, 2019, 12:51:05
I don't think we'll pull in any extra fans, because Power owns a bit of Highworth or half the CG.... however we might pullin a few extra if we get back to Div 3 and play some winning football again at the CG.  That's what I'll carrying on basing my judgement of Power on.  I'm not sure the ownerships are necessary to make that happen....

Not necessary but surely desirable alongside good on the field performance?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 31, 2019, 13:05:15
Interesting thread on Bristol Rovers accounts (published today) which show:

1) wages were 97% of income
2) they lost £65k per week from day-to-day operations
3) wages went up 12% and revenue down 12%
4) currently £20m in debt, relying on a holding company to stay afloat

In terms of FFP they're not ruined yet, but if they lose the same amount next year they could be looking at a points deduction

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1134348659468976128

They've already announced a "restructuring" of backroom staff which has led to their well-regarded Academy manager leaving to pursue other options


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 31, 2019, 13:14:16
I don't think we'll pull in any extra fans, because Power owns a bit of Highworth or half the CG.
But that's not the purpose of either. The purpose is to make the club a more attractive business for fresh investment or new buyers. Which makes funds available to invest in the team. Which, if well spent, produces a better team capable of promotion, which brings about the "middling Div 3 status" we all yearn for :)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 13:14:43
I don't think we'll pull in any extra fans, because Power owns a bit of Highworth or half the CG.... however we might pullin a few extra if we get back to Div 3 and play some winning football again at the CG.  That's what I'll carrying on basing my judgement of Power on.  I'm not sure the ownerships are necessary to make that happen....

Agree that only winning football will put more bums on seats, but the club has not spent anything on infrastructure for 25 years and we've been on a downward trajectory since.

I don't think it is a coincidence that we've been at our worse since we moved out of Liddington into a temporary home, on a variety of public parks and school 3G pitches.   A dedicated training ground with all the facilities in one place, that looks and feels like a professional outfit, may get an extra few % out of players and put us in a better place to attract players/loans/youngsters that have a few similar options.  

If we look and feel like we mean business it can only help the cause.

We just need to be less shit than everyone else to get out of this league, so small percentages matter.

  


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 31, 2019, 13:20:12
I don't think it is a coincidence that we've been at our worse since we moved out of Liddington into a temporary home, on a variety of public parks and school 3G pitches.   A dedicated training ground with all the facilities in one place, that looks and feels like a professional outfit, may get an extra few % out of players and put us in a better place to attract players/loans/youngsters that have a few similar options.   
While you're clearly doing a Reg by characterising Stanley Park and Beversbrook, both decent facilities, as "a variety of public parks and school 3G pitches", I'd agree that decent training facilities can make the difference in attracting loans etc. Andy King used to reckon that being able to show potential prospects around Liddington tipped the balance in several cases where players had options to choose from


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 31, 2019, 13:44:51
There does seem to be a number on here, who are grateful to Power for at least keeping us afloat as a middling Div 4 outfit, rather than accepting we should be able to sustain a middling Div 3 club, as we have been for most of our 100 years in the FL.  I still maintain Power needs to up his game and get us back, to the Div 3 perch he inherited as owner.

I am not sure there are a number who are happy to stay in D4, but I am sure you are fully aware of this but ignoring as it fails to respect the tedious narrative being saved up for a told you so frenzy in the future. .

Whilst I am perfectly happy to accept that Power made some bloody woeful decisions early on I am intrigued to know what he has done over the last 3 managerial appointments which could have been done differently, we have had a budget up there and a manager that looked at least on paper to be a good choice, Power has stepped back and let them mainly get on with up?

Intrigued to know in what way you think he needs to 'up his game' apart from throwing cash at it which does not necessarily end well?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 31, 2019, 13:49:59
Agree that only winning football will put more bums on seats, but the club has not spent anything on infrastructure for 25 years and we've been on a downward trajectory since.

I don't think it is a coincidence that we've been at our worse since we moved out of Liddington into a temporary home, on a variety of public parks and school 3G pitches.   A dedicated training ground with all the facilities in one place, that looks and feels like a professional outfit, may get an extra few % out of players and put us in a better place to attract players/loans/youngsters that have a few similar options.  

If we look and feel like we mean business it can only help the cause.

We just need to be less shit than everyone else to get out of this league, so small percentages matter.

Interestingly when I argued previously on here that I wasn't happy about leaving Liddington and going to Calne.... I got the usual shit about just being "negative" and it would make no difference.  That, of course, the idea was arrived at after careful thought and then backed up later, by analysis which confirmed our results at the CG had deteriorated in the post Liddington time frame, was merely met with just a coincidence...

So yes, whilst I think that having the improved facilties would be desirable, and may help in persuading players to sign, it's more likely they can be persuaded by their wage packet. Wellens made the point a while back that he was finding it difficult to convince players we were a "big club" in Div 4, and good facilities would have to be backed by good wages for that to happen.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 31, 2019, 14:31:11
A bright light in a thoroughly depressing thread....

Looks like some positive news for The Heed,

http://www.gfcsoul.co.uk/2019/05/gateshead-fc-future-takeover/

Finally it appears the fan led consortium have got their hands on the club and can now work with the FA to try and sort the regulatory problems to retain their league position.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 14:47:21
While you're clearly doing a Reg

Ouch! - can't you just call me a cunt  :) 

As good as they are, looking at it from a players perspective they are closer to non-league than championship facilities. 


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 14:53:49
Interestingly when I argued previously on here that I wasn't happy about leaving Liddington and going to Calne.... I got the usual shit about just being "negative" and it would make no difference.  That, of course, the idea was arrived at after careful thought and then backed up later, by analysis which confirmed our results at the CG had deteriorated in the post Liddington time frame, was merely met with just a coincidence...

So yes, whilst I think that having the improved facilties would be desirable, and may help in persuading players to sign, it's more likely they can be persuaded by their wage packet. Wellens made the point a while back that he was finding it difficult to convince players we were a "big club" in Div 4, and good facilities would have to be backed by good wages for that to happen.

I was only a lurker then but I'm sure they were just winding you up  :)   

Wages will win more often than not, but we can't (and often don't) outspend the opposition.   Loans from champ/prem in particular will want good facilities to help development.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 31, 2019, 14:54:28
Ouch! - can't you just call me a cunt  :)  

As good as they are, looking at it from a players perspective they are closer to non-league than championship facilities.  

As we are closer to non-league football than championship football sounds perfectly reasonable.  ;)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 31, 2019, 14:59:42
Ouch! - can't you just call me a cunt  :) 
:D
As good as they are, looking at it from a players perspective they are closer to non-league than championship facilities. 
Yes, and I agreed with your general point, but they're still a lot better than "public parks" and "school 3G pitches"


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 15:12:45
:DYes, and I agreed with your general point, but they're still a lot better than "public parks" and "school 3G pitches"

Glad you agree  :beers:
Apologies for poor wording in emphasis - they have trained at Lydiard park academy on a few occasions which is where the 2nd point came in.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 31, 2019, 15:59:25
Glad you agree  :beers:
Apologies for poor wording in emphasis - they have trained at Lydiard park academy on a few occasions which is where the 2nd point came in.
The 1st team? I know the Academy train there up to U16s but are you sure the 1st team have? I'd be surprised, if nothing else because it's so heavily used by the Academy lads


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 31, 2019, 16:03:31
Intrigued to know in what way you think he needs to 'up his game' apart from throwing cash at it which does not necessarily end well?

The most obvious thing would be to concentrate on one club... either STFC or Waterford, and if the latter to sell on the former.  It seems to me obvious that if you're struggling to fund one club to the level required to at least tread water, then you shouldn't be spending money at another.

If you're proper minted like the Man City lot, or even Benham at Brentford, then fair enough, but neither of them have slipped down the league...


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 31, 2019, 16:18:17
The most obvious thing would be to concentrate on one club... either STFC or Waterford, and if the latter to sell on the former.  It seems to me obvious that if you're struggling to fund one club to the level required to at least tread water, then you shouldn't be spending money at another.

If you're proper minted like the Man City lot, or even Benham at Brentford, then fair enough, but neither of them have slipped down the league...

Hasn't Power been clear all along that with the right offer he is open to sell, all rather hypothetical without anyone prepared to pay the cash to buy the club though isn't it?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 31, 2019, 16:41:55
Hasn't Power been clear all along that with the right offer he is open to sell, all rather hypothetical without anyone prepared to pay the cash to buy the club though isn't it?
Yes and yes.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 31, 2019, 16:42:05
Hasn't Power been clear all along that with the right offer he is open to sell, all rather hypothetical without anyone prepared to pay the cash to buy the club though isn't it?

I want an owner who's decisions improve the playing side.... as to whether he'll sell the club, is nether here or there. TBF when Power first came in using the TT link and spending a bit on a Luongo/Byrne type, things did stay top end Div 3, for a season or so.... Power then cashed in and seemed to lose interest, along with the TT link.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 16:53:04
The 1st team? I know the Academy train there up to U16s but are you sure the 1st team have? I'd be surprised, if nothing else because it's so heavily used by the Academy lads

I have no inside knowledge other than what the kids have told me.
It's possible the Beversbrook pitch was frozen and LP was the only 3G available or kids were winding me up!   (It's easily done!)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 31, 2019, 16:56:59
I have no inside knowledge other than what the kids have told me.
It's possible the Beversbrook pitch was frozen and LP was the only 3G available or kids were winding me up!   (It's easily done!)
Or they saw the U16s training/playing a match there and thought it was the 1st team? Beversbrook and Stanley Park both have 3G pitches so even if the grass was frozen at Beversbrook, they could just use the 3G. I'd be genuinely astonished if the 1st team were training at LPA.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 17:28:44
Or they saw the U16s training/playing a match there and thought it was the 1st team? Beversbrook and Stanley Park both have 3G pitches so even if the grass was frozen at Beversbrook, they could just use the 3G. I'd be genuinely astonished if the 1st team were training at LPA.

Astonishing yes, but it definitely happened under Mark Coopers (pre Beeversbrook) reign according to Adver, so could have happened since.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/10919998.swindon-town-boss-hails-lydiard-park-academy-for-training-help/

I'm sure it's very rare though!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 31, 2019, 17:41:56
Astonishing yes, but it definitely happened under Mark Coopers (pre Beeversbrook) reign according to Adver, so could have happened since.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/10919998.swindon-town-boss-hails-lydiard-park-academy-for-training-help/

I'm sure it's very rare though!

But that was when they were training at Liddington, there'd be no need to do that now as they'd just use the 3G at Beversbrook. Or Ciren. Or Supermarine. All much better than the 3G at Lydiard.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, June 2, 2019, 04:27:10
Anthony Joshua losing. Didnít see that coming. He seems a decent person as well.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 6, 2019, 22:06:25
More worries for Yeovil: takeover in trouble

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48526137


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 7, 2019, 08:55:00
More worries for Yeovil: takeover in trouble

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48526137
Yeah been in the news down here for weeks, any takeover looks unlikely currently, no squad, no manager, no money, no fans.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 7, 2019, 09:27:39
Yeah been in the news down here for weeks, any takeover looks unlikely currently, no squad, no manager, no money, no fans.
How bad actually is it? "No squad" etc is the kind of hyperbole fans regularly engage in, but how fucked are they at the moment?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 7, 2019, 09:31:22
Or... how many players do they have that we can scavenge?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 7, 2019, 09:38:43
Or... how many players do they have that we can scavenge?
How many would we want? Struggling to think of any, they looked like a side rightly bound for relegation when we played them, even though we managed to offer them a glint of hope


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 7, 2019, 09:46:23
No idea, that's JJ's neck of the woods.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 7, 2019, 09:49:23
How bad actually is it? "No squad" etc is the kind of hyperbole fans regularly engage in, but how fucked are they at the moment?
They have had 2 interested buyers since the previous one fell through due to lack of funding and not passing the fit and proper test, the current owner will sell for any price but cannot attract anyone, so much so that Harry Redknapp has been asked if he wishes to invest, they are losing money hand over fist and have about 8 players under contract and all are available for transfer.

No manager will come in due to the uncertaintly of the ownership and I think they have sold about 200 season tickets so far (Notts County have broken 2,500 already in comparison).

without new owners they are unsustainable, the fans hate the current owner, there is a real despondancy with the fans. I wouldn't be shocked to see them fall through this league southwards as Torquay did.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 7, 2019, 09:50:30
How bad actually is it? "No squad" etc is the kind of hyperbole fans regularly engage in, but how fucked are they at the moment?

Relatively speaking it's not that long ago..... I remember it, Yeovil were relegated out of the Conference, at the time there were 3 feeder leagues.  Yeovil opted for the Isthmian League, basically London and suburbs. Their thinking, they can't get players down to Somerset, so just used London based players bussed in every other Sat for home games... away games took care of itself.

Recruitment is always a problem for SW teams, as a relatively small population and long journeys involved. 

We just about miss the worst of it, but having to rely on London based players, isn't without its problems


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 7, 2019, 09:56:24
As Reg says yes they had a team almost entirely London based and it paid off for them, they had training in South London twice a week and it paid off for them they stormed the league that season, my best mates favourite season ever as a Yeovil fan actually he thinks.

Yeovil is in the middle of nowhere and they have always struggled to attract players that are not Bristol/Exeter based as its a 2 and half hour train/drive from London on a good day.

They are in trouble, they do have a couple of players that could do a job for us but in the main I wouldn't take any off their hands currently, except maybe that young Welsh lad that was linked a couple of days ago, Tom James.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 7, 2019, 10:00:15
Shit, they're really in the brown stuff then. Cheers JJ (and Reg for the historical perspective!)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 7, 2019, 10:03:36
Shit, they're really in the brown stuff then. Cheers JJ (and Reg for the historical perspective!)
They are struggling, some staff have not been paid yet for last month (not the players as far as I know) and they are suffering from cashflow problems as they normally rely upon season ticket sales in the close season to keep the club going.

The current owner is refusing to give them any extra funding, which is understandable.

Could be a season of struggle for them coming, that is if they get past the current predicament and nothing more serious happens.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 7, 2019, 10:44:54
They moved didn't they from the place with the infamous slopey pitch, do they actually own their existing ground or is it a Kassam situation?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 7, 2019, 13:17:05
They moved didn't they from the place with the infamous slopey pitch, do they actually own their existing ground or is it a Kassam situation?
They do own thier own ground and that makes up almost the full takeover cost of the club. They sold the old sloping pitch to developers who built the Tesco on the site as its pretty much the centre of the town. That funded tbe new ground in about 1990.

The new ground is on land that is currently developing massively and has been marked for building a Sainsbury next to the ground with the club owning the land. Which was why the yank wanted the club.

Been a lot of talk about Yeovil wanting to sell the land for further development and the club moving further out of town. The development is the major selling point to any future buyer.

Their owner Fry has been abused a lot by Yeovil fans for refusing to invest any of the money from the breif jaunt into the Championship. Fry used thst venture to get the money back he invested in getting the club into the football league. Repaying loans of well over £10m to himself and not putting anything back into the club. Upsetting the fans in the process as the team fell down the leagues.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 7, 2019, 13:25:13
And during their brief sojourn in the Championship he voted against L1 and L2 clubs getting a higher % of TV income.

Fuck him.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 7, 2019, 13:46:41
And during their brief sojourn in the Championship he voted against L1 and L2 clubs getting a higher % of TV income.

Fuck him.
They also got decent transfer fees for several players including £1.5m for Chris Cohen to Forest. Not a well liked man down here.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Monday, June 10, 2019, 12:59:02
So maybe Bury & Yeovil going out of existence ? that will be a huge slap for the FL to lose 2 clubs 


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 10, 2019, 13:03:12
So maybe Bury & Yeovil going out of existence ? that will be a huge slap for the FL to lose 2 clubs  
Would Yeovil be considered part of the FL since they were relegated? if Bury do fold then in an ironic turn of events it could mean that Yeovil are reinstated in L2? Aldershot were reprieved by Gateshead folding in the Conference a week or so ago so it could be a possiblility.

The next couple of weeks could be interesting.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 10, 2019, 13:07:31
Would Yeovil be considered part of the FL since they were relegated? if Bury do fold then in an ironic turn of events it could mean that Yeovil are reinstated in L2? Aldershot were reprieved by Gateshead folding in the Conference a week or so ago so it could be a possiblility.

The next couple of weeks could be interesting.

I missed the Shots reprieve.... it's something that seemed to happen quite often to FGR.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 10, 2019, 13:11:03
Aldershot were reprieved by Gateshead folding in the Conference a week or so ago so it could be a possiblility.


Just to be a light fitting, the Heed didn't/haven't folded, have been taken over but have been demoted into National League North after various misdemeanours last year under the old ownership (confirmed at the AGM last week), they are staying full time, have secured a new lease to use the ground and hopefully will get back up at the first try.

One beneficiary has been Oxford City who were going to be placed into the National League North next season but with the Heed replacing Aldershot they can fit in the National League South.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/more-sport/the-full-story-on-gateshead-s-national-league-demotion-as-new-owners-react-plus-2019-20-home-ground-confirmed-1-9811684


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 10, 2019, 13:22:09
Yeovil would be in trouble in the NL - they don't take any messing with the financial side, chucking clubs down several divisions when necessary.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 10, 2019, 13:25:38
There are so many clubs flying close to the wind, Bury, Hartlepool, Bolton, Blackburn, Yeovil, Notts County, Southend, Ipswich, Oxford, Oldham, Ebbsfleet, Macclesfield, Morecambe and Crawley have all had windng up orders or been taken to court oe nor paid players/staff in the last 6 months. Manyy of them several times.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, June 10, 2019, 13:28:15
There are so many clubs flying close to the wind, Bury, Hartlepool, Bolton, Blackburn, Yeovil, Notts County, Southend, Ipswich, Oxford, Oldham, Ebbsfleet, Macclesfield, Morecambe and Crawley have all had windng up orders or been taken to court oe nor paid players/staff in the last 6 months. Manyy of them several times.
People complain about Power, myself included,  but without him would we be added to that list ?.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 10, 2019, 13:29:40
People complain about Power, myself included,  but without him would we be added to that list ?.
If Jed was still at the club then thats a definate yes.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 10, 2019, 16:13:04
If Jed was still at the club then thats a definate yes.
If Jed was still at the club, there wouldn't be a club to be on the list


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 12:58:47
I think the main one in trouble at the moment is Bury, I don't think they have the money for administration and have no money coming in over the close season so unless something happens in the next week or so they could surely then put in liquidation perhaps

Bolton seem to have a few bidders sniffing around them,but surely nothing will be done in time to stop them falling through the leagues with no squad built, and of course the FL still have to deal with them refusing to play a match, so you would image that will be an extra points deduction when the FL decides to deal with it.

Then there is Blackpool who appear to being run the the receivers...



Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 13:08:37
I have heard that Bristol Rovers are actively looking for a new owner with current owner Wael al-Qadi having lost interest ala Andrew Black and refusing new team investment funding.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 13:50:50
I have heard that Bristol Rovers are actively looking for a new owner with current owner Wael al-Qadi having lost interest ala Andrew Black and refusing new team investment funding.
Difference being that Black actually put some in in the first place.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 14:07:29
Thought about putting this in the "What's right with football" thread (the bit about the Stevenage owner selling 12% of the shares to fans to raise funds for investment in the squad), but on balance the article is more about how utterly fucked the finances of lower league football are so probably belongs more in here (or the "What's wrong" thread, I guess)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/11/sustainable-efl-club-stevenage-chairman-luck-selling-fans-football


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 14:08:56
Difference being that Black actually put some in in the first place.
True that, rather than just saying he would as has happened at the gas, when all he wanted was the development rights of the Mem.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 14:21:16
Thought about putting this in the "What's right with football" thread (the bit about the Stevenage owner selling 12% of the shares to fans to raise funds for investment in the squad), but on balance the article is more about how utterly fucked the finances of lower league football are so probably belongs more in here (or the "What's wrong" thread, I guess)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/11/sustainable-efl-club-stevenage-chairman-luck-selling-fans-football
Heís valuing a pissy little L2 club at nearly £10m? No wonder Powers hanging on at SN1.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 13, 2019, 12:40:06
Looks like Bolton could be about to emerge from administration with new owners:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48622014

And Blackpool too:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48616207

Let's hope they're both a bit better than the last lot


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, June 13, 2019, 12:57:47
Looks like Bolton could be about to emerge from administration with new owners:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48622014

And Blackpool too:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48616207

Let's hope they're both a bit better than the last lot

It will be interesting to see the players Bolton can attract when they are sorted due to the extra points deduction hanging over them, which surely would put them in L2 the following season


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, June 13, 2019, 15:23:57
Blackpool takeover confirmed. A guy who grew up supporting the club and (seemingly) has its interests at heart. Wonder how much discount he got for inheriting their dogs dinner of a training ground!

https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/2019/june/club-statement-new-owner/


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, June 13, 2019, 21:49:46
The Vegans have had their new stadium rejected by the council again, don't think it'll be long before Mr Egotricity walls away in a strop, that'll then be the end of them.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 14, 2019, 15:33:04
It will be interesting to see the players Bolton can attract when they are sorted due to the extra points deduction hanging over them, which surely would put them in L2 the following season
They'll need to start attracting some quickly. Only six senior pros currently left, according to the Times today


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 14, 2019, 15:57:18
They'll need to start attracting some quickly. Only six senior pros currently left, according to the Times today
8 according to Wiki but that can change daily.

Didn't we have only about 4 contracted 1st team players when PdC took over following our relegation and still did pretty well the following season?

Could be difficult to attract players with that 12 point deduction over their head, but saying that with a good run they could be on positive points by September.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 14, 2019, 16:44:14
Didn't we have only about 4 contracted 1st team players when PdC took over following our relegation and still did pretty well the following season?
Maybe but (again according to the Times), the new owners are guaranteeing a £1m recruitment budget. That's not going to fund a Di Canio style "throw enough shit at the wall and some of it might stick" recruitment splurge


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 14, 2019, 16:52:52
Maybe but (again according to the Times), the new owners are guaranteeing a £1m recruitment budget. That's not going to fund a Di Canio style "throw enough shit at the wall and some of it might stick" recruitment splurge
There will always be jobbing football mercenaries willing to play one season on good lower league wages as they near the end of their careers.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Friday, June 14, 2019, 17:13:25
There will always be jobbing football mercenaries willing to play one season on good lower league wages as they near the end of their careers.

A 1 million recruitment budget will get them a ball boy and a tea lady


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 14, 2019, 17:21:31
A 1 million recruitment budget will get them a ball boy and a tea lady
Youth mixed with experience, I like it.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: RobertT on Friday, June 14, 2019, 19:09:58
Hopefully the ball boy has a set of GK gloves and the tea lady has played a bit at right back, guaranteed success.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: tans on Friday, June 14, 2019, 20:19:58
The bury chairman seems to have exceeded himself again. What a nob

Quote
BURY FC are set to make a number of members of staff redundant next week, the Bury Times understands.

It is understood that between 10 and 12 members of staff at the financially troubled club have received letters of ďpotential redundancyĒ, subject to a consultation.

A range of club staff are believed to involved, including ground staff, operations, accounts and maintenance.

However, club secretary Jill Neville is not thought to be one of those involved.

When quizzed on the redundancies, the club's owner Steve Dale accused staff of "trying to extort money from the club".

He said: "If you read my past statements I indeed made clear that staff will be let go as we are overstaffed.

"Thatís just commercial sense. What you should be asking is, these staff who are purporting to love the club, why didnít they just go and find other jobs? But no, they are trying to extort money from the club."

Unbelievable quote!


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, June 15, 2019, 06:14:46
A 1 million recruitment budget will get them a ball boy and a tea lady

Which one is at RB and which one is in goal?


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, June 15, 2019, 09:48:43
The ball boy is Buster Gonad so in goal he goes.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 15, 2019, 09:50:47
Get John McGinlay back out of retirement for a season, he has to be younger than Kevin Ellison who has signed a new 1 year contract at Morecambe.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 17, 2019, 17:18:18
Where has all the money gone????

A regular question for some fans, well its going on at Northampton.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/14/police-hunt-missing-10m-northampton-town-council


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, June 17, 2019, 17:22:43
Not seen this although I only returned home a month ago and have been in Spain for a couple of weeks since.  I'll ask a couple of mates how things are looking for them, usually see one on Wednesdays.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 17, 2019, 17:23:47
Not seen this although I only returned home a month ago and have been in Spain for a couple of weeks since.  I'll ask a couple of mates how things are looking for them, usually see one on Wednesdays.
Ask them "where has all the money gone?" :)


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: suttonred on Monday, June 17, 2019, 19:22:01
That Northampton thing has been going on for a couple of years at least.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, June 17, 2019, 19:26:20
That Northampton thing has been going on for a couple of years at least.

A bit Jedesque isnít it.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: Mother Brown on Monday, June 17, 2019, 20:06:40
A bit Jedesque isnít it.
Sounds like a load of cobblers to me.
Anything to get the post count up.


Title: Re: The "it could actually be worse" thread ....
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 09:36:15
That Northampton thing has been going on for a couple of years at least.

Indeed, don't let Reg see this... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/24/council-loan-northampton-town-auditors-inquiry