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Title: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:02:21
If you are going to come into this thread and bleat about how much you don't care, then fuck right off.

England squad announced tomorrow. Thoughts and feelings? Will be interesting to see how much of a new squad hodgson picks.

Also interested to see the Czechs have picked 4 keepers in their squad. Sadly no room for Magera though :(


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:06:05
I think he should clear out the old and go with youth..

I heard somewhere he has been told he can't pick terry AND Ferdinand which is probably a good thing as both haven't Been great this year!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:07:30
4 keepers is strange sure enough...

no terry - absolutely no reason for him to go

take oxlade chamberlain and andy carroll.  talk is both gerrard and lampard to go, fuck that, leave lamps at home and put gerrard on the bench.

absolutely has to be a progressive squad for me this year, no room for scholes either, unless he's a player-coach, strange for a national squad as it may be.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:11:22
The squad I would take:

GKs: Hart, Green, Ruddy
Ds: Richards, Johnson, Ferdinand, Cahill, Lescott, Cole, Baines, Jones
Ms: Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, Parker, Young, Walcott, Milner,
Fs: Rooney, Crouch, Welbeck, Sturridge, Carroll

Richards can play right back or centre back so provides extra cover, and Jones can also play in midfield, leaving an extra option up front.  I think Carroll has something about him and has started to show it towards the end of the season - he scared the life out of Terry in the cup final.  I'd like to include more young players - but I don't see many around who would make much impact yet.

However, I think Hodgson may just go with Zamora and he'll probably take Gareth Barry as well.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:12:19
I would go with the experienced pros but more with a view to dropping them after.No use playing the youngsters yet and getting humiliated on the big stage.Let the experienced ones do that then let the youngsters get ready for the world cup


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:12:39
He should definitely take Connell


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:15:49
FWIW, the team that I think he'll take/want him to take would be

GK - Hart, Green, Ruddy
DF - Cole, Baines, Johnson, Walker, Jones, Terry, Cahill, Jagielka
CM - Walcott, Carrick, Parker, Gerrard, Milner, Young, Lampard
CF - Rooney, Bent, Holt, Sturridge, Welbeck

Grant Holt HAS to be on that plane


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: london_red on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:16:04
I would like to see Joe Cole in the squad. No chance of it happening though.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:18:50
Quite interesting feeling this year, no one is really expecting us to do that well and the media isn't hyping it up that much, may change with a week to go.

Would prefer Hodgson to take the form players, instead of the players who have already been and fucked it up so many times, but see him going with the old brigade. Maybe the likes of Crouch and Holt have done enough? I know many teams in europe would not like to play the likes of Crouch and Holt.

There are a few nailed-on selections depending on injuries. The likes of Rooney, Hart, Parker, Cole etc. But there are quite alot of players who are still not guranteed a spot. Like I said would prefer not to take the people the people who have failed in the past. Look at the likes of Germany brung in young players for the World Cup and absoultly mullered us, would like to see us do the same as we do have a lot of very promising youngsters in the side, the likes of Sturidge, Chamberlain, Clevery, Welbeck, Jones, Smalling etc. It may not win us the tournament but it would help us build to other tournaments and help hopefully future success. Mixed with the youth of course you need some experience so Roy would bring the likes of Terry, Gerrard and Lampard, but I think it would be brilliant if he could bring Scholes to the Euro's would do a nice little job.

Just a few thoughts.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:18:58
Grant Holt HAS to be on that plane

ahead of carroll on current form?  he absolutely has to go for me?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:19:08
I would like to see Joe Cole in the squad. No chance of it happening though.
how has been getting on in France, seems to have gone quiet!!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:20:31
I think he'll take Terry not Ferdinand based solely on injury record.

I'd leave them both at home along with Gerrard and Lampard, write off Euro 2012 and start to build for 2014 with youth. But he can't do that, he'd be crucified by the press.

We'll know whether he's not up to it if he picks Grant fucking Holt.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:23:11
ahead of carroll on current form?  he absolutely has to go for me?

I'll admit my clamouring for Grant Holt is not entirely for his footballing ability, but he's got the goalscoring record this season that only rooney has bettered in an England shirt.

We need a target man, to mix it up if nothing else. I'd like it to be Holt, but I'd imagine he's at least 4th in that queue behind Carrol, Crouch and Zamora


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:26:13
Sorry Dave, didn't read you wanted Holt in before posting that.

To put it another way Holt has had a great season, but is old* and is not international quality. That said, are Carrol, Zamora and Crouch!

* I say old, I thought he was 35/36 not 31.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:26:32
he just seems a bit kevin davies to me, i actually think lambert is a better player than holt is.  carroll just seems a bit more dynamic as it were


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:26:38
I would go with baggins squad but swap carson for ruddy


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:28:10
I really don't rate Theo Walcott, I would take Chamberlain or Adam Johnson ahead of him.


GKs: Hart, Green, Ruddy
Ds: Richards, Johnson, Ferdinand, Cahill, Lescott, Cole, Baines, Jones
Ms: Gerrard, Carrick, Scholes, Parker, Young, A Johnson, Milner,
Fs: Rooney, Crouch, Welbeck, Sturridge, Carroll


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:29:50
There aren't going to be many defenders on the international stage used to coping with the physical presence of someone like Carroll. Too many small strikers these days. He's a game changer and has to be in the squad.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:30:45
I really don't rate Theo Walcott, I would take Chamberlain or Adam Johnson ahead of him.

Me too. I've only fleetingly seen him on MOTD/Sky but he still doesn't seem to have the end product to go with the speed.

Fucking Swindon reject.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:35:12
Gerrard has been shite or injured for the last couple of seasons. A big no for me.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:37:56
If Roy has balls there would be no Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard or Cole. There should also be a big question mark over wasting a squad place on Rooney.

Only take players who will realistically make the next World Cup and use this tournament solely for gaining experience.

C'mon Roy, you know it makes sense!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:40:11
Genuine question - when people say leave the old guard at home and take the young players - which young players do you mean?  I just don't see many around who are capable enough.  Name them please.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:40:14
I really don't rate Theo Walcott, I would take Chamberlain or Adam Johnson ahead of him.


GKs: Hart, Green, Ruddy
Ds: Richards, Johnson, Ferdinand, Cahill, Lescott, Cole, Baines, Jones
Ms: Gerrard, Carrick, Scholes, Parker, Young, A Johnson, Milner,
Fs: Rooney, Crouch, Welbeck, Sturridge, Carroll

That is good squad, i think we'd have enough to progress to the qf maybe even the semi's, but i think i might be disapointed with the team that gets announed. Hasn't Scoles retired from international football?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Cookie on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:43:05
i'm well excited. already sorted the work sweepstake and bought the sticker album (which will never be complete but keeps me occupied).

So who's your money on? cheeky fiver on the italians and a tenner on the hun for me. hope england get into the knockout and i'll be happy.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:45:21
Germany or France I reckon. Spain won't win it


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:47:33
Germany I reckon.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:48:11
as open as it's been for a while i think


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:50:30
Germany I reckon.

I'll be in Germany for the final.  That'll be great fun.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nochee on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 21:56:30
I'll be in Germany for the final.  That'll be great fun.
To watch thousands of celebrating Germans? It's a horrible experience, trust me


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Processed Beats on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:08:22
I'd go with:

Hart, Foster (if he were to come out of retirement), Ruddy

Richards, Walker, Cahill, Jagielka, Jones, Lescott, Cole, Baines

Walcott, Milner, Parker, Gerrard, Barry, Scholes, Young, Johnson

Rooney, Wellbeck, Sturridge, Crouch

Would've probably had Wilshere and Smalling in there but for injuries too.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:08:25
Ferdinand won't be being picked

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-05-15/report-rio-axed-from-the-england-euro-2012-squad/


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:13:39
that better not be to make room for that thug terry


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:17:32
I still can't for the life of me comprehend how people think England have better centre halves than Ferdinand and Terry, you haven't.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:19:16
I feel for Richards if that's true, what has the lad got to do to be picked?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:19:25
terry isn't even chelsea's best centre half


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:20:44
What would everyones first XI be out of interest?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Processed Beats on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:24:36
What would everyones first XI be out of interest?

Hart

Richards
Lescott
Cahill
Cole

Walcott
Gerrard
Parker
Scholes
Young

Crouch


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:26:32
terry isn't even chelsea's best centre half

Yes he is. Forget about him being a twat off the pitch.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:28:44
him being a twat doesn't even come into it in this respect, cahill is better


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:32:59
I feel for Richards if that's true, what has the lad got to do to be picked?

Likely to be in the squad now, Kyle Walker is out with injury.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:35:36
It's only when I sat down at thought about it that I realised exactly how mediocre England are.

For me, Terry can only be justified if he'd be first choice and I really don't think he is. Jagielka and Lescott for me, neither as good as Terry used to be, both better than he is now.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 22:35:56
Likely to be in the squad now, Kyle Walker is out with injury.

Unless he takes Johnson then Jones who can cover both CB and RB. I would definitely take Richards though


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 08:00:28
Hart, Ruddy, Green
Richards, Smalling, Jones, Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott, Baines
Young, Chamberlain, Johnson, Parker, Scholes, Cleverly, Milner
Carroll, Crouch, Rooney, Wellbeck, Sturridge.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Spud on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 08:15:04
Hart, Ruddy, Green
Richards, Smalling, Jones, Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott, Baines
Young, Chamberlain, Johnson, Parker, Scholes, Cleverly, Milner
Carroll, Crouch, Rooney, Wellbeck, Sturridge.

Smalling has already been ruled out of the tournament through injury.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Anteater on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 08:55:23
For me, Terry can only be justified if he'd be first choice and I really don't think he is. Jagielka and Lescott for me, neither as good as Terry used to be, both better than he is now.
Totally agree with this, and add Cahill and Jones to those two.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 09:01:51
What fucks me off is how Terry always seems to be untouchable.Not a big fan of Ferdinand but feel for him here,he is basically being punished for his brother being abused.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 09:05:30
Reports suggest no Ferdinand and no Richards.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 09:09:16
Terry will be 35 for the next world cup, probably past it.

We are going to achieve nowt this year, so as many others keep saying, blood a youngster instead.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 09:09:29
What fucks me off is how Terry always seems to be untouchable.Not a big fan of Ferdinand but feel for him here,he is basically being punished for his brother being abused.

Spot on Son!

Personally I would have left out Lampard, Terry,Ferdinand and Gerrard.  Those useless cunt have failed tournament after tournament so wouldnt have given them the chance to fuck at another.  

Lets start now to build the nucleas of a team that could compete at Euro 2016.  It would mean a struggle at this tourno, and I dont see any European team doing that great at the next world cup.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 09:59:37
Smalling has already been ruled out of the tournament through injury.

Whoops... i knew Walker was out, but hadn't heard about Smalling


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:03:47
I feel this will be a consolidation period while we start building a side that MAY contend in the next World Cup.

Get the blend of experience and youth in there and get them gelling as a unit. The best teams in the world are not teams of outstanding individuals they are workmanlike teams that have a few skilled players but all play as a team. That is why Brazil so rarely make a great team, always good but rarely great.

We will miss Rooney in the early stages, without him we don't have a lot of creative striking options, Young can turn it on but can also be dire at times. I personally would play Crouch, he has always done the business at international level yet is not an outstanding player by any means but always gives 100%.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:05:13
I would have named a 27/30 man squad today and used the allotted time to make the big decisions.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:06:39
The best teams in the world are not teams of outstanding individuals they are workmanlike teams that have a few skilled players but all play as a team.

But Spain are a team of outstanding individuals and look what they've achieved in recent times.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:24:17
Whoops... i knew Walker was out, but hadn't heard about Smalling

Glenn Johnson at RB, then? Champion! :(


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:37:37
What about Micah Richards? Surely he'd get the nod at right back?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:38:39
What fucks me off is how Terry always seems to be untouchable.Not a big fan of Ferdinand but feel for him here,he is basically being punished for his brother being abused.

If the manager said to both of them "I want to take you both to the finals are you ok with that?" and one of them said no, which would you choose.

I'm guessing not the one that spends more time injured than playing, and said I'm not playing if you pick him.

Personally I would have left them both out, neither are the future for England so why not go for players that will be around for the next 8-10 years


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:40:25
Anyone know what time the sqaud is announced?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:42:06
What about Micah Richards? Surely he'd get the nod at right back?

Reportedly not in the squad.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:43:47
Ruddy in, Crouch out apparently.

We'll see.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:45:12
Anyone know what time the sqaud is announced?

13:00


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:46:33
Reportedly not in the squad.

OK, so no Micah Richards and no Kyle Walker in the squad, maybe that's why Gary Neville has been draughted in.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:47:04
I'd rather Phil Jones at RB than Glen Johnson.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:48:27
Me too, Glenn Johnson is a weak link defensively.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:24:28
There is no logical reasoning for taking Terry. He's not as good as he used to be, he is very disruptive and the racism trial will be hanging over him and the entire squad until it is resolved. He had the opportunity to get trial out of the way before Euro 2012 but he deliberately delayed it, he should have taken the option of clearing his name sooner rather than later.

If he is selected and then found guilty it will make the FA and Hodgson look like idiots and will hang over them for some time to come, especially due to all the bad blood it has created.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:24:54
If the manager said to both of them "I want to take you both to the finals are you ok with that?" and one of them said no, which would you choose.

I'm guessing not the one that spends more time injured than playing, and said I'm not playing if you pick him.

Personally I would have left them both out, neither are the future for England so why not go for players that will be around for the next 8-10 years
That's the thing though isn't it.Ferdinand has actually played 38 games this season,granted Terry has played more but the games he has missed have all been recently due to hip injury.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:25:45
I hope it's just a rumour looking for a reaction, but there are reports that Downing will be included.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:30:47
Downing has played in every game for England this season.

Why exclude him now?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:38:28
Different manager and he is shit


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:38:37
Because he is shit.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:40:14
I hope it's just a rumour looking for a reaction, but there are reports that Downing will be included.

Nooooooo

That cunt cant even get an assist!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:41:08
Different manager and he is shit

Quote from: jaohaitchenn
Because he is shit.

Never let facts get in the way of a good time.

People want too much from Hodgson's selection already. He has to take some of the current regulars for continuity alone, right? If not he'll get slated for selecting a squad that's on a suicide mission.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:41:49
Never let facts get in the way of a good time.

People want too much from Hodgson's selection already. He has to take some of the current regulars for continuity alone, right? If not he'll get slated for selecting a squad that's on a suicide mission.

The facts are he has no assists and no goals this season.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:42:13
Because if the squad is picked on form like it should be (and what I've been hoping an England manager would do since Hoddle), he is in the midst of a rather large spell of ineffectiveness...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:45:48
Sven picked players based on 'current form' and got slated for selecting footballers who "weren't England quality".

England managers are eternally on a hiding to nothing.

For the record, I don't rate Downing.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:47:03
I'd take Beckham.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 12:48:05
The Times reporting that Oxlade-Chamberlain is in. Pleased with that one.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jutty274 on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:08:09
Downing has played in every game for England this season.

Why exclude him now?
no goals & no assists. I am suprised there hasn't been a call up for Matt Ritchie at left midfield.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:09:01
He's going and we should therefore deal with it.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:09:05
Hart, Green, Ruddy, Johnson, Jones, Terry, Lescott, Cahill, Cole, Baines, Walcott, Downing, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gerrard, Barry, Lampard, Parker, Young, Milner, Defoe, Rooney, Welbeck, Carroll.

Fail.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:10:22
Honestly, what were people expecting!?!

It's a weak squad.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:11:43
I would've expected 2 out of Barry, Lampard and Gerrard not to have gone.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:11:52
Uninspired but not surprised. Still hope Roy gets them playing decent, effective football but not confident.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:13:12
I would've expected 2 out of Barry, Lampard and Gerrard not to have gone.

You're dreaming Samdy. This is their final hoorah, of course they'd all go.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:13:56
Panic over. Jordan Henderson is on the standby list.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:16:20
And jack butland


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:17:32
Not a bad squad in my opinion.

Starting XI along the lines of:

Joe Hart

Glen Johnson
Gary Cahill
Joleon Lescott
Ashley Cole

Ashley Young
Scott Parker
Steven Gerrard
Theo Walcott

Andy Carroll
Jermain Defoe (Rooney when available)

That doesn't look bad to me at all.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Processed Beats on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:17:39
And jack butland

Not as good as Wes.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:17:41
Pretty sure he's my keeper on FM12.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:18:51
I would like to know the reasons for not taking Richards, and taking Downing.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:20:04
Line up in 1st game:

Hart

Jones
Terry
Cahill
Cole

Parker
Lampard

Walcott
Gerrard
Young

Welbeck


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: london_red on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:24:09
Carrick not being in the only real surprise for me. Guess we'll know whether it was the right choice come July, but it's not like having Micah Richards rather than Glen Johnson is going to suddenly make us better than Spain.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:24:41
Surprised Grant Holt didn't get a go as well.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:25:59
Surprised Grant Holt didn't get a go as well.

He's was never ever in a million years going to be selected.

...and that's not me saying that he shouldn't have been considered.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:27:56
"#HodgsonOut" is trending on twitter.

Nice people have given the team a chance.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:31:02
I don't know why you all get so worked up about it.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:34:18
Suprised Carrick isn't in it and Downing is in it. Apart from that not too surprised.

Happy Chamberlain is going though.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:35:13
Only 4 strikers , one of whom is banned for the first 2 games, makes one up front a certainty.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:35:25
It's an opportunity wasted in my opinion.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:36:02
Only 4 strikers , one of whom is banned for the first 2 games, makes one up front a certainty.

Young can play up top if needed or just behind a striker if playing 4-4-1-1


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:44:32
An opportunity to do what though.

He can only pick from the players he has at his disposal. Alto of people moaning about who he has picked but not too many viable alternatives suggested.

Just because players aren't in doesn't mean they weren't considered.

I personally would have made a couple of different picks but its all opinion at there's no stand out omission.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:49:41
What really irritates me about the England supporter is that for months and months most fans (and perhaps rightly so) have been going on about England not being good enough to compete at the Euros, seemingly accepting this for the first time in ages... Brilliant.

...and then the squad is announced and it's fucking anarchy  :suicide:

As a collective, we have the biggest chip on our shoulders and it's no wonder that the rest of the world can't stand us.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:52:18
Line up in 1st game:

Hart

Jones
Terry
Cahill
Cole

Parker
Lampard

Walcott
Gerrard
Young

Welbeck


Actually I think Woy will play Barry instead of Lampard.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:56:01
I think I would struggle to name many players we could have taken that offer anything better or different.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 13:57:26
I think I would struggle to name many players we could have taken that offer anything better or different.


Exactly, most are 'I would've have taken him instead' but none of them are absolutely-what-the-fuck-is-going-on glaring omissions.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:00:10
Gerrard named captain...


Think Roy is still in love with Liverpool.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:08:02
Forgetting who's in and who's out of the squad - I'm realising I like Woy - I like Woy a lot


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:11:58
No Joey Barton?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:14:42
Fraser Forster is a good goalkeeper who gets overlooked. Go to the current SPL and be doomed for eternity.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:18:16
No Joey Barton?

Shame - he could have sorted out those Ukraine hooligans


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:21:55
Parker shouldve had it


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:22:49
Parker shouldve had it

Although I agree, there's still a possibility that he won't go.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:24:53
Just watched the press conference. Half of the questions were about Terry and Ferdinand, yet nobody saw fit to question why on earth Stuart Downing is anywhere near the squad...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:31:43
I've just been through the mugshots on the Guardian website of the 24 (incl Roy) going to Ukraine.  I got 16 of them, but couldn't name the other 8.

I think I'll stick to Swindon.   :)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: pericarp on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:42:24
Some guy on Twitter said that he had the same number of goals and assists as Downing in the Premier League this season, and whether that means he should be included in the squad too!

 :D


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:43:57
tim howard has more


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: pericarp on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:45:06
tim howard has more

That has also been on Twitter.

So does Wes Foderingham I guess. In the league.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:45:53
I've just been through the mugshots on the Guardian website of the 24 (incl Roy) going to Ukraine.  I got 16 of them, but couldn't name the other 8.


You got Milner though, right ;)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 14:57:01
I did!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Only Me on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 15:03:22
Bring back Heskey


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 15:14:21
Bring back Heskey

It's not England if it doesn't involve Darius Vassell.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 15:48:40
Bring back Heskey

well he bloody scored against us


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: adje on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 15:49:03
You're dreaming Samdy. This is their final hoorah, of course they'd all go.

Their final hooray should have been 2 years ago


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 15:55:18
Their final hooray should have been 2 years ago

I agree and we'll say similar when we wheel them out in Brazil (qualification pending).


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 15:58:01
Do we really need so many midfielders?

9 midfielders and (omitting Rooney) only 3 strikers? Bearing in mind his great goalscoring rate for England, why not take Crouchy?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 15:58:49
With the general shitness of English football players I cant tell if people are being sarcastic about the squad.  We've got a load of average players.  Carroll is in but Crouch isnt!  Shock horror.  One shade of grey has been preferred to another.  Oh well, maybe we'll play as a team and do better than expected.  But maybe not.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:00:12
I think it's dangerous to drop the experience players and just play the youngsters because  

a) The youngsters aren't good enough yet

and

b) You run the risk of the media ruining them if they get annihilated


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:08:04
With the general shitness of English football players I cant tell if people are being sarcastic about the squad.  We've got a load of average players.  Carroll is in but Crouch isnt!  Shock horror.  One shade of grey has been preferred to another.  Oh well, maybe we'll play as a team and do better than expected.  But maybe not.

I think you make a good point but for England Crouch has never disappointed. Carroll has had a pretty woeful season, although to be fair has played quite well towards the end of the season.

Perhaps Roy is rolling the dice and taking a gamble based on the fact we don't really have much to lose in this tournament because we are gash, however I'm surprised Crouch is not in the squad personally.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:12:46
I think you make a good point but for England Crouch has never disappointed. Carroll has had a pretty woeful season, although to be fair has played quite well towards the end of the season.

Perhaps Roy is rolling the dice and taking a gamble based on the fact we don't really have much to lose in this tournament because we are gash, however I'm surprised Crouch is not in the squad personally.
Alot of people who are going on about Crouch are the same ones who are saying try the youngsters. Crouch is 31 now and although he has scored goals is actually part of the past squads that have helped fuck up. Carrol has looked better recently and goes here with a bit of confidence for once.

For the first time i am more confident because these players are going with the nation expecting failure as oposed to overhped bollocks we get every few years


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Uncletrunx on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:15:49
One of two things will happen:

1. The team will fail to get out of the group. Many people will weep and gnash their teeth about the state of English footy, there will be calls for reform of the game from top to bottom and back again. The FA will respond with a huge enquiry costing millions, performed by someone with a knighthood who will produce a big report suggesting that the top 6 or so clubs have too much power and are not acting in the interests of the national team and jolly well should. Nothing will be done as a result of it because the top 6 clubs won't like it.

2. The team will get to the knockout stages. Suddenly, there will be a huge media rush to proclaim them the next Golden Generation who will win the whole thing, solve the debt crisis, bring balance to The Force and grant us all eternal life. Then they'll lose to Spain or Germany and we'll get endless dissection of the losing performance, comaprisons with the team that wins the whole thing, a million editorials for / against Hodgson's every decision and probably four or five ghostwritten autobiographies about the whole "tournament journey" rushed out before the new season starts.
Then, the new season will start and nobody will care about the Euros.

I've seen this happen bofore, you see...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:19:15

For the first time i am more confident because these players are going with the nation expecting failure as oposed to overhped bollocks we get every few years

Couldn't agree more on this.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:19:43
One of two things will happen:

1. The team will fail to get out of the group. Many people will weep and gnash their teeth about the state of English footy, there will be calls for reform of the game from top to bottom and back again. The FA will respond with a huge enquiry costing millions, performed by someone with a knighthood who will produce a big report suggesting that the top 6 or so clubs have too much power and are not acting in the interests of the national team and jolly well should. Nothing will be done as a result of it because the top 6 clubs won't like it.

2. The team will get to the knockout stages. Suddenly, there will be a huge media rush to proclaim them the next Golden Generation who will win the whole thing, solve the debt crisis, bring balance to The Force and grant us all eternal life. Then they'll lose to Spain or Germany and we'll get endless dissection of the losing performance, comaprisons with the team that wins the whole thing, a million editorials for / against Hodgson's every decision and probably four or five ghostwritten autobiographies about the whole "tournament journey" rushed out before the new season starts.
Then, the new season will start and nobody will care about the Euros.

I've seen this happen bofore, you see...

...all of which would be funny if it wasn't completely true.

Good (but depressing) post.   :)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: larwood on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:23:16

For the first time i am more confident because these players are going with the nation expecting failure as oposed to overhped bollocks we get every few years
Agree,think the pressure is of to a certain extent because no one is expecting them to do anything.Also lots of other distractions with the jubilee and the olympics,so won't attract the usual hype.

Wouldn't say i'm any more confident that they will do anything though. I'd be happy if they get out of the group and there is no trouble.....


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:27:27
As I previously alluded to earlier in this thread, I was under the impression that bar had already been lowered and the pressure was off.

Then the squad is announced and all of a sudden everybody is frantically looking at their family history to see if there's any German, Spanish or Italian in their bloodline so they can support them instead.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:29:36
Awful squad but no big surprises really. Clear that the Ferdinand-Terry thing is a bit messy and they've backed the better player by picking him. Rio deffo would be in if it wasn't for the overhanging court case as the other dead wood getting call ups shows.
The forwards don't convince me at all but the pickings are shit anyway. Whoever was selected woudln't inspire confidence.
 richards i would have taken along with Johnson.
I think a bit fat stinking MEH says how i feel . Hope the irish do well and show our shower of shit up


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:30:37
Hope the irish do well and show our shower of shit up

Shame on you arriba, shame on you.

...but they do have Simon Cox  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:32:45
Haha


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:33:58
He sort of looks bothered to me.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:34:41
I'm a big fan of Crouch but I'm not that surprised he's been left out. Whilst Hodgson likes a traditional English striker, I'm not sure Crouch really fits the bill the same way as Carroll. I remember England games before when Crouch was supposed to be playing that role but he continually dropped off the front which is a problem when the other striker does the same.

But with Rooney out for the first two games, taking only three other strikers seems a bit short sighted. Guess Walcott is another option up front, seem to recall him saying it's his preferred position rather than winger. An in form Walcott and Chamberlain on the wings will be a pretty potent attacking force.

Think Hodgson has been set up for a fall by the FA, with him being appointed so late he doesn't really have the option of making major changes to the Capello squad. Don't think we'll see the real Hodgson team until next season.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:35:45
That isn't actually his reply though is it? I swear some gullible fucker have taken that from the parody account on twitter


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:40:37
It's not him. Just somebody that looks like him


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:45:46
Somebody needs to tell him (real or not) that the best colouring in is done inside of the lines.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DV Canio on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:49:56
"#HodgsonOut" is trending on twitter.

Nice people have given the team a chance.

I dont agree with the Hodgson out stuff, he came across very well in his press conference.

However, alot of the players in that squad have had 8 to 10 years worth of chances - and failed pretty much every time.

In part because of over the top expectations, part over hype and part just not being good enough footballers.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:50:11
Obviously photoshopped, I think that was taken from the last world cup when he was at home watching and he put 'come on boys' or something like that.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:51:44
Shame on you arriba, shame on you.

...but they do have Simon Cox  :hmmm:

And Coxy is English...nevertheless, Woy wouldn't have picked him in the squad despite the possibility he might score  few goals at the tournament.

Probably the weakest England squad since Euro 92...then we finished bottom of the group, didn't win a game, and scored the one goal. Will be doing well to avoid something similar this time.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 16:53:45
The hodgson out brigade would probably want Redknapp in the job who would have picked the same squad bar the odd exception.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:15:45
And Coxy is English...nevertheless, Woy wouldn't have picked him in the squad despite the possibility he might score  few goals at the tournament.

Probably the weakest England squad since Euro 92...then we finished bottom of the group, didn't win a game, and scored the one goal. Will be doing well to avoid something similar this time.
If we finish bottom of the group I will post a photo of my misses's tits on here.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:17:58
If we finish bottom of the group I will post a photo of my misses's tits on here.

Saved for posterity


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:26:56
If we finish bottom of the group I will post a photo of my misses's tits on here.

Better safe than sorry :)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:27:39
If we finish bottom of the group I will post a photo of my misses's tits on here.

Good stuff....always assuming that they're worth looking at.  What sort of age and are we talking, ectomorph or endomorph?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:29:44
She's 22, it wont happen anyway, so it doesn't really matter :D


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:31:09
She's 22, it wont happen anyway, so it doesn't really matter :D

Hope that's not her bra size!!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:48:08
An opportunity to do what though.

Pick younger players so they get some game time at a major tournament.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:50:24
What really irritates me about the England supporter is that for months and months most fans (and perhaps rightly so) have been going on about England not being good enough to compete at the Euros, seemingly accepting this for the first time in ages... Brilliant.

...and then the squad is announced and it's fucking anarchy  :suicide:

Your right about fans accepting that we won't do anything this tournament so this would be a perfect opportunity to blood some youngsters rather than trot out the same old serial under-performers.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:53:10
The squad is not what i'd had hoped. Go away with Terry, Lampard and Gerrard. They have been tried and they have failed. Should have taken Adam Johnson over Downing and Richards over Johnson.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 17:55:52
She's 22, it wont happen anyway, so it doesn't really matter :D

I think you should just post it now anyway.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 18:02:22
The squad is not what i'd had hoped. Go away with Terry, Lampard and Gerrard. They have been tried and they have failed. Should have taken Adam Johnson over Downing and Richards over Johnson.
and who over lampard,Terry,Gerrard


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 18:14:44
and who over lampard,Terry,Gerrard

Williamson at Newcastle has had a decent season, rather him than Terry.  Arteta, qualifies for England, why not pick him, Spain won it 4 years ago with Marcos Senna a Brazilian...Cleverley looks to have potential.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 18:43:35
You just want to see his missus tits don't you


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: matt_jada on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 18:57:29
The squad is not what i'd had hoped. Go away with Terry, Lampard and Gerrard. They have been tried and they have failed. Should have taken Adam Johnson over Downing and Richards over Johnson.

Totally agree with you, how Downing has been picked over A Johnson is a joke, and for me Richards is one the best right backs in the world let alone England.

Also i would of picked Sturridge over Defoe myself, but i do like Defoe.

I had hoped for a young squad with only a few experienced regulars like Rooney, terry & gerrard. Maybe giving players like Barkley a go as a wildcard.   :)

Would of liked to of seen Lennon aswell but i think that's where England is most strongest on the wing.



Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 20:02:38
Was Leon Britton worth a call-up? Played in a decent Swansea team all season and according to the statistics, he has the highest pass completion rate in world football (93.3% accuracy); better than Spain's Xavi (93.0%).


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 20:06:10
Was Leon Britton worth a call-up? Played in a decent Swansea team all season and according to the statistics, he has the highest pass completion rate in world football (93.3% accuracy); better than Spain's Xavi (93.0%).
Would have been good to have seen maybe a few Swansea or Norwich players in there.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 20:06:50
Am I the only one that thinks that statistics can be misleading sons of bitches?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 20:07:33
Am I the only one that thinks that statistics can be misleading sons of bitches?

6.27% of TEF agrees with you.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 20:09:57
You just want to see his missus tits don't you

 :nod:


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nochee on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 20:42:38


After hearing Roy Hodgson's squad announcement, Duran Duran are to re-release one of their songs for the England football team."His name is Rio and he watches from


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Uncletrunx on Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 21:42:15
6.27% of TEF agrees with you.

88.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:09:58
It seems Michael Carrick didn't want to go unless he was definitely going to play.  Imagine if all players said that - we'd only take 11 players.  Poor attitude from a good player.

"Manchester United's Michael Carrick, who has not played for England since May 2010, was not considered because he told the Football Association he did not want to be a bit-part player".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18098812


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:18:07
Carrick has never been an England regular due to his position. He's 30, not played since 2010 so I don't really blame him.

Oh... I mean

HOW DARE YOU NOT WANT PLAY FOR YOUR NATION!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:46:08
Not quite how I put it, Constanza.  I actually would have him in the first 11 - extremely underrated if you ask me.  It is of course completely up to him - there are now plenty that have chosen not to play.  However, I really thought he would be in the squad - and would have a good chance of playing time.  Personally I do think it is a bad decision to turn down the chance - its a couple of weeks of hard work with a chance to play in a big tournament.  But as I said, he is completely within his rights.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:47:25
My post wasn't in reference to what you wrote (other than the fact that you brought the Carrick news to our attention).


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:49:10
Carrick has never been an England regular due to his position. He's 30, not played since 2010 so I don't really blame him.

Oh... I mean

HOW DARE YOU NOT WANT PLAY FOR YOUR NATION!

Well it does actually outline something that has been a regular grievance for England fans for some years now....... they just don't care. There's an opportunity to represent your country and some of these overpaid cunts would rather be off on holiday somewhere.

Fuck them.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:52:56
at the other end of the argument, at least he didn't go along not giving a shit


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:54:26
Which is why I say 'fuck them'


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:57:07
Can you blame Carrick? He's spent a decade watching Gerrard and Lampard fail to click and watch every coach keep the faith.

Carrick has achieved a lot and has never been fully recognised on an international level. Carrick knows that it's not going to get easier for him and therefore he's allowing the new generation to progress.

I don't blame Carrick one bit.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 12:58:13
Well it does actually outline something that has been a regular grievance for England fans for some years now....... they just don't care. There's an opportunity to represent your country and some of these overpaid cunts would rather be off on holiday somewhere.

Fuck them.
A holiday on your own personal Caribbean island or staying in a succession of dodgy Ukrainian hotels with the weight of a nation on your shoulders supported by fans who will crucify you when you inevitably fail to live up to the totally inappropriate tag of "world beaters".

I know where I'd rather be


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 13:00:07
Well he's never going to get a shot if he doesn't go, perhaps Woy would have used him more.

He has the opportunity to potentially represent his company in a major tournament and says no because he's in a bit of a sulk.  He's supposed to be a professional footballer.

Fuck him. Let him sulk and let another, more eager, player take his place.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 13:11:49
My post wasn't in reference to what you wrote (other than the fact that you brought the Carrick news to our attention).

Oops.  Sorry.  Over-reaction possibly on my part.

I still think he ought not to have ruled himself out, but perhaps, as others have said, if he doesn't want to play it is better that somebody who does want to gets a place.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 13:24:21
I know where I'd rather be

Don't keep us in suspense!

(It's the dodgy Ukranian hotel, isn't it?)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 13:56:30
Can you blame Carrick? He's spent a decade watching Gerrard and Lampard fail to click and watch every coach keep the faith. Carrick has achieved a lot and has never been fully recognised on an international level. Carrick knows that it's not going to get easier for him and therefore he's allowing the new generation to progress. I don't blame Carrick one bit.

It's his decision and you've got to respect it. But when a player shows that kind of attitude to playing for England that should be them done and dusted and not given a second chance. You shouldn't have to beg them to play, or to come out of retirement - if it's not the most important thing for them then they're not the right player to pick.

You can say what you want about Beckham, but he'd give anything even his dying breath to play for England again. If only we had an entire squad of players with that attitude, we'd probably still lose but at least we'd know they were trying and it mattered to them.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 14:06:04
I'd prefer England had it's 100% best squad but it's not always going to be the case. Carrick is seemingly not a crucial member of the squad and rarely has been. So it's a surprise to me when people treat him like scum for not wanting another summer of wearing a 21 jersey and sitting on a bench with the hope of 10 minutes against Belgium because Lampard/Gerrard are knackered.

For 12 years Carrick has accepted every call-up without complaint. It's got to the stage where he's got to think of his long-term career. We hated Shearer for calling it quits after Euro 2000 but it prolonged his domestic career, the game that pays his wages.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 14:15:00
Carrick's probably been in some of the best form of his career this season. Aided mostly by injuries to Anderson, Fletcher and Cleverley at Man Utd.

The problem is though, he doesn't fit the stereotype of an English international midfielder (i.e. tough-tackler or goal-getter). He's defensively not as good as Parker and doesn't score as many as Lampard/Gerrard.

It's a real shame, because he's probably one of the best passers of a football that I've seen.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 14:20:09
I'd prefer England had it's 100% best squad but it's not always going to be the case. Carrick is seemingly not a crucial member of the squad and rarely has been. So it's a surprise to me when people treat him like scum for not wanting another summer of wearing a 21 jersey and sitting on a bench with the hope of 10 minutes against Belgium because Lampard/Gerrard are knackered.

For 12 years Carrick has accepted every call-up without complaint. It's got to the stage where he's got to think of his long-term career. We hated Shearer for calling it quits after Euro 2000 but it prolonged his domestic career, the game that pays his wages.

Logic? Reason?

'E DAAAN'T WANNA PLAY FOR INGERLUND SO 'E CAN FACK RIGHT OFF


Title: Re: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 14:35:06
I think the same of Carrick that I do of carragher. Not a lot.

Playing for you country is a privalidge not a right.

But he did the correct thing. Any player that thinks they are too good to sit on the bench can stay at home. Even if they are right.

I guess that is a symptom of how football is right now. Some players just aren't that bothered by international football.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nevillew on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 14:43:55
Can you blame Carrick? He's spent a decade watching Gerrard and Lampard fail to click and watch every coach keep the faith.

Carrick has achieved a lot and has never been fully recognised on an international level. Carrick knows that it's not going to get easier for him and therefore he's allowing the new generation to progress.

I don't blame Carrick one bit.
So how would Carrick going along but not playing actually shorten his career ?

Simple fact is that a lot of players are content to pick up vast sums of money on their own terms and not want to leave their comfort zone.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nevillew on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 14:44:34
A holiday on your own personal Caribbean island or staying in a succession of dodgy Ukrainian hotels with the weight of a nation on your shoulders supported by fans who will crucify you when you inevitably fail to live up to the totally inappropriate tag of "world beaters".

I know where I'd rather be
Norway, presumably.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 14:53:23
Carrick's probably been in some of the best form of his career this season. Aided mostly by injuries to Anderson, Fletcher and Cleverley at Man Utd.

The problem is though, he doesn't fit the stereotype of an English international midfielder (i.e. tough-tackler or goal-getter). He's defensively not as good as Parker and doesn't score as many as Lampard/Gerrard.

It's a real shame, because he's probably one of the best passers of a football that I've seen.

Totally agree with that, technically excellent. Shame that with England he hasn't got a look in.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 15:06:40
So how would Carrick going along but not playing actually shorten his career ?

Simple fact is that a lot of players are content to pick up vast sums of money on their own terms and not want to leave their comfort zone.


Many feel that leaving the international set-up helps prevent additional injuries. I'm not a sports scientist but many have cited this. There's no point in arguing this as all I'll get is...

"It's an excuse."
"He plays for Manchester United, Fergie is telling him what to do - Smalling isn't really injured you know."
"Bobby Moore played when called upon."

Also, out of his comfort zone? Carrick has been in the England set-up for over 10 years! I dare say that he found the England squad comfy, spacious with a lovely day spa and ping pong table that suited his needs.

He's been an unused sub (included all of WC 2010) seven England squads he's been part of. He's spent an entire international career in the shadow of Lampard and Gerrard. Those two often defied the form argument when Carrick was playing brilliantly, picking up Champions League medals and League championships along the way.

After a decade of service, he's had enough. Sorry. Wants to swim in a pool of money just like Scrooge McDuck.


Title: Re: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 15:16:35
I guess that is a symptom of how football is right now. Some players just aren't that bothered by international football.

But not all, fortunately. Ruddy was happy to cancel his wedding despite being 3rd choice keeper and needing a miracle / disaster for him to even get 5 minutes playing time.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 15:18:24
But not all, fortunately. Ruddy was happy to cancel his wedding despite being 3rd choice keeper and needing a miracle / disaster for him to even get 5 minutes playing time.

Not strictly true. He's been granted permission to miss the 2nd warm up game against Belgium.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 16:46:12
A holiday on your own personal Caribbean island or staying in a succession of dodgy Ukrainian hotels with the weight of a nation on your shoulders supported by fans who will crucify you when you inevitably fail to live up to the totally inappropriate tag of "world beaters".

I know where I'd rather be

Capello, made sure there would be no dodgy Ukrainian hotels for our boys, rather dodgy Polish hotels, and 5 hour tactical flights into Ukraine.  Can they really be going Aeroflot? :plane:


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 16:50:25
I'm in the fair play to Carrick camp. He'd be one of the last picks to play and i doubt he'd get selected anyway.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 17:15:27
[Offtopic]
How ironic that we have an Official Euro 2012 Thread just as the Euro appears to be about to die a horrible death.  The architects of the European Project should be lined up against a wall and shot.  There's a shitstorm coming our way.
[/Offtopic]


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 18:40:21
The official England hotel is right in the centre of krakow near all the bars, but more importantly it's dead opposite roosters - a polish version of hooters.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 19:51:23
The official England hotel is right in the centre of krakow near all the bars, but more importantly it's dead opposite roosters - a polish version of hooters.

I went to (a) Roosters in Krakow back in 2007. We spent the whole day there, food, beer etc and when we settled our bill it was something crazy like the equivalent of 10 Euro each!! I guess the price has gone up since then however.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nochee on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 19:58:18
Well he's never going to get a shot if he doesn't go, perhaps Woy would have used him more.

He has the opportunity to potentially represent his company in a major tournament and says no because he's in a bit of a sulk.  He's supposed to be a professional footballer.

Fuck him. Let him sulk and let another, more eager, player take his place.

It's a classic case of cutting your nose off bla bla bla

Carrick has reached the level that most boys dream of, and snubbed it. Let's face it, he is hardly the player that can change the teams fortune, we will easily survive without him.

He is the one that will live to regret his decision. Especially if we went and won the thing!!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 20:01:03
Carrick has a Champions League winners medal - The modern pinnacle of football for many footballers.

He'll sleep at night.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nochee on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 20:11:05
Champions league is a bronze medal. Euros is silver. World cup is gold. He has picked up third place. Not a small feat by any means, but it's still third.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 20:12:36
My point stands. Players don't like winning medals without playing, if England won he would have had little (if any) participation.

He'll sleep well.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nochee on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 20:30:31
Fair enough, I see your point.

But, snubbing the opportunity to have the possibility to Play for England is a terrible decision that could lead to future regret. Millions of our countries boys dream of that chance. To snub it, well, you get my drift.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Langers on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 20:43:42
Got Denmark in a sweepstake. They are in a group with Germany, Holland and Portugal.

That was a waste of £2.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 21:47:49
Got Denmark in a sweepstake. They are in a group with Germany, Holland and Portugal.

That was a waste of £2.

Who knows.  I bet someone did something similar in May 1992...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 21:51:51
And I got Greece in 2004.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 21:56:22
And I got Greece in 2004.

I had Portugal.  I also was in a car accident the day of the final.

It was not a good day.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 22:04:53
I had Portugal.  I also was in a car accident the day of the final.

It was not a good day.
Did you survive the accident?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 22:20:15
Did you survive the accident?

Nope. I died at the scene.

I was fine.  My chavmobile Saxo, however, went to Terriblecar Heaven.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, May 17, 2012, 22:20:47
I went to (a) Roosters in Krakow back in 2007. We spent the whole day there, food, beer etc and when we settled our bill it was something crazy like the equivalent of 10 Euro each!! I guess the price has gone up since then however.

It's still as cheap. About 7 zlotys for a beer.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jutty274 on Saturday, May 19, 2012, 09:53:22
I have started a free betting league with a software company that  i use occasionally. There are prizes for all winners. It is for the Euros. The team name is The TEF. The link is below.


http://www.magix.com/gb/specials/the-magix-betting-game-for-all-football-fans/bet-maker/?tpmkr_join=00c64266ad1b326a6dc0e6359c0c78e51348 (http://www.magix.com/gb/specials/the-magix-betting-game-for-all-football-fans/bet-maker/?tpmkr_join=00c64266ad1b326a6dc0e6359c0c78e51348)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 11:31:27
Right, I have to do this Euro prediction thing which includes picking 5 goal scorers.

They get 10 points for each goal they score. My personal predictions have the following 4 teams making it to the semis (Holland, Italy, Germany and France) so I guess it would be good to have 5 goalscorers from these teams. Although maybe a Spanish player would be useful as well (Llorente?).

I am not really au fait with International football, although I personally think France will do quite well so Benzema is a must.

Any feedback gratefully appreciated.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 12:09:29
Right, I have to do this Euro prediction thing which includes picking 5 goal scorers.

They get 10 points for each goal they score. My personal predictions have the following 4 teams making it to the semis (Holland, Italy, Germany and France) so I guess it would be good to have 5 goalscorers from these teams. Although maybe a Spanish player would be useful as well (Llorente?).

I am not really au fait with International football, although I personally think France will do quite well so Benzema is a must.

Any feedback gratefully appreciated.

My fours semi finalists would be Spain, France, Germany and Holland.

The five goalscorers would be Villa, Benzema, Holland, One of Gomez or Klose (Not sure who Germany play), I would take a chance on Roman Pavleychenko.  Russia in the weakest of the four groups and may be a chance for a half decent striker to fill his boots a tad in the group stage.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 13:40:12
My fours semi finalists would be Spain, France, Germany and Holland.

The five goalscorers would be Villa, Benzema, Holland, One of Gomez or Klose (Not sure who Germany play), I would take a chance on Roman Pavleychenko.  Russia in the weakest of the four groups and may be a chance for a half decent striker to fill his boots a tad in the group stage.

Villa is injured surely? I think RVP and Benzema are definites and Gomez or Klose will be another. Good point about the Russians, does Pav play up front for them? Thinking maybe Sneijder as well.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 13:41:53
I imaging Löw will go with Gomez. But given Kloses' recorded at tournaments I would go with him


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 13:48:22
I imaging Löw will go with Gomez. But given Kloses' recorded at tournaments I would go with him

I was thinking Klose as well but will be hacked off if he doesn't get much game time!!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 13:51:04
Ronaldo would be a decent bet. Portugal have a difficult group, but he's different gravy


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 13:57:04
Good point about the Russians, does Pav play up front for them?

Him or Pogrebnyak.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 13:57:18
Ronaldo would be a decent bet. Portugal have a difficult group, but he's different gravy

Yeah I personally don't think Portugal are going to get out of that group. Think Ronnie might get hacked off playing with inferior players and try too hard to do it all himself, Ronaldo won't be in my 5, but thanks for the suggestion.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 22:20:33
Confirmed Villa is out.  I fancy LLorente to bag a few.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, May 25, 2012, 10:03:59
So Ruddy has pulled out of the squad to be replaced by Butland... who played in our league this year! Strange how he was deemed top 4 'keeper material, as I would assume Wes was nowhere near despite playing more games and keeping more clean sheets for the L2 champions.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 25, 2012, 10:27:03
24 League Two games and progression through the England Youth set-up has earned him a decent summer of experience. A very luck chap but fair play to him.

Personally, I'd have a player like Fraser Forster in reserve but there's really no point debating over who gets the No.23 jersey.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, May 25, 2012, 10:31:36
I'm not taking issue (although my post may look like that!) just wanted to raise awareness for those who rely on the TEF for their news.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, May 25, 2012, 10:35:48
Makes you wonder.... does Butland represent England giving youth a chance or just a severe lack of quality English keepers?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 25, 2012, 10:40:21
Makes you wonder.... does Butland represent England giving youth a chance or just a severe lack of quality English keepers?

Jack Butland has superb potential so I would lean towards the former within your point.

Many national teams give their 3rd choice jersey to either up-and-coming goalkeepers or veterans who can also act as coaches.


Butland has to build in this though. Problem for him is that Birmingham didn't get promoted so I'm sure they would be reluctant to send him on loan to anyone within their level. Unless they are willing to allow him to compete for a starting place at St. Andrews.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, May 28, 2012, 12:10:49
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18192375

But Mr Campbell had this advice for fans thinking of travelling to Euro 2012: "Stay at home, watch it on TV. Don't even risk it… because you could end up coming back in a coffin."

:D


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Monday, May 28, 2012, 12:20:45
It does raise the question why Uefa awarded Poland and Ukraine the tournament.

I fully agree with the argument that it wasn't as bad as it once was but they are still considerably behind other countries in dealing with racism/ holliganism. More of a social thing I expect.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: pauld on Monday, May 28, 2012, 12:24:04
It does raise the question why Uefa awarded Poland and Ukraine the tournament.
Massive bribery I'd imagine


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Monday, May 28, 2012, 12:25:48
Massive bribery I'd imagine

But they're not Italian?!  :D


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, May 28, 2012, 12:53:46
sol campbell is a massive bellend


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, May 28, 2012, 12:56:01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18192375

But Mr Campbell had this advice for fans thinking of travelling to Euro 2012: "Stay at home, watch it on TV. Don't even risk it… because you could end up coming back in a coffin."

:D
What a fucking idiot.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Langers on Monday, May 28, 2012, 15:39:46
On a positive note for England, Gareth Barry has been ruled out of Euro 2012.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, May 28, 2012, 16:06:32
On a positive note for England, Gareth Barry has been ruled out of Euro 2012.

His name always sounded to me as if he should have been playing for Wales anyway.  In pretty much the same way that Rob Andrew should have been playing rugby for Scotland.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Monday, May 28, 2012, 16:18:18
Barry's had a fantastic season for City.

Just a shame Carrick wasn't included in the 23, one of England's best technical players. (of which there are very few)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Monday, May 28, 2012, 16:28:20
Well as we said at the time he has himself to blame.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, May 28, 2012, 16:30:05
So do people reckon you can play Lampard and Gerrard in the same midfield then?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Monday, May 28, 2012, 16:30:22
Well as we said at the time he has himself to blame.

I think he merited being in the 23 in the 1st place.

He should've accepted to be on the standby list though, agreed.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, May 28, 2012, 16:39:42
So do people reckon you can play Lampard and Gerrard in the same midfield then?

History has proven that it doesn't work. It'll happen though.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Monday, May 28, 2012, 17:11:30
His name always sounded to me as if he should have been playing for Wales anyway.  In pretty much the same way that Rob Andrew should have been playing rugby for Scotland.

Never realised Rob Andrew played rugby, thought he just kicked balls into touch for a few years. The rugby version of a 'crazy gang' Wimbledon footballer minus the personality. An anti-rugbyista if there ever was one.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, May 28, 2012, 17:11:57
 
So do people reckon you can play Lampard and Gerrard in the same midfield then?

 :hmmm:

 Obviously you can, but if you want to win a few games then history proves it's not advisable.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Monday, May 28, 2012, 18:53:46
I would hazard a guess we have won more than we have lost with those 2 in the middle.Would also guess they have probably scored a decent total between them.Often think these 2 basically get the majority of flak for us having shit strikers,wingers etc


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: donkey on Monday, May 28, 2012, 19:20:14
I would hazard a guess we have won more than we have lost with those 2 in the middle.Would also guess they have probably scored a decent total between them.Often think these 2 basically get the majority of flak for us having shit strikers,wingers etc

The answer to our midfield woes.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Whits on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:01:40
What a fucking idiot.
to be fair after seeing the footage, it doesn't look great in ukraine if your not a whitey


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:07:42
Quote from: Idiot Ukrainian police fella
Erm, they were just pointing... at the away fans... nothing Nazi to see here!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Whits on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:21:03
move along, i'm sure they'll just ask for the cameras to point away during the tournament


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:21:34
Some poor bastard is going to get killed I reckon


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:21:57
to be fair after seeing the footage, it doesn't look great in ukraine if your not a whitey
The authorities will make sure that ultras won't get tickets for the games. Even if they do it will be a negligible amount. The only trouble there will be (quote me on this if you like) is travelling ultras from Croatia, Russia, Greece etc arranging fights with the local ultras.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:22:40


The Metalist ultras, seemed to like Lazio...so Paolo


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:34:07
After watching that, it still feels shameful knowing that our beloved manager has participated in such gesturing.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:38:44
The authorities will make sure that ultras won't get tickets for the games. Even if they do it will be a negligible amount. The only trouble there will be (quote me on this if you like) is travelling ultras from Croatia, Russia, Greece etc arranging fights with the local ultras.

The problems won't be inside the stadia.  It will be outside.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:43:43
Just what suits in UEFA and FIFA can give tournaments to these countries.

In the 80s it was always cited England's dreadful hooliganism problem was the reason for not awarding us a tournament.

And as for Qatar for the World Cup . . . don't get me started.



Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:54:16
Fuck me panorama has hooked a few tonight.We had this with the last world cup,they had people thinking they would be returning with aids and being car jacked everyday.Yes they got problems but so do we.We got people trying to bomb us,had to place missiles on buildings in london.Fuck me i could do a episode on last years race riots that would deter white people from wanting to come here.Must mean someones going to die at the olympics


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, May 28, 2012, 21:56:53
The problems won't be inside the stadia.  It will be outside.
I know.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 28, 2012, 22:01:31
Fuck me panorama has hooked a few tonight.We had this with the last world cup,they had people thinking they would be returning with aids and being car jacked everyday.Yes they got problems but so do we.We got people trying to bomb us,had to place missiles on buildings in london.Fuck me i could do a episode on last years race riots that would deter white people from wanting to come here.Must mean someones going to die at the olympics

At least give yourself a challenge.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, May 28, 2012, 22:09:12
Fuck me panorama has hooked a few tonight.We had this with the last world cup,they had people thinking they would be returning with aids and being car jacked everyday.Yes they got problems but so do we.We got people trying to bomb us,had to place missiles on buildings in london.Fuck me i could do a episode on last years race riots that would deter white people from wanting to come here.Must mean someones going to die at the olympics
well said


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, May 28, 2012, 22:24:33
Elements of eastern European football fans in racism/violence shocker.

There wasn't really anything surprising in that program, it's just the way it is over there. Clearly wrong but it won't ever change.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 28, 2012, 23:22:24
Having recently made the mistake of going out in Eastern Europe in a skirt I can confirm that they're not too hot on homosexuality either.

[lazyandunfaircheaplaugh]Probably best that Sol Campbell doesn't go in all honesty [/lazyandunfaircheaplaugh]


Title: Re: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: otanswell on Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 00:15:04
Stag do?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 00:22:24
Elements of eastern European football fans in racism/violence shocker.

There wasn't really anything surprising in that program, it's just the way it is over there. Clearly wrong but it won't ever change.

The fact that in Ukraine it didn't seem like there was any control inside the stadia. Give a fuck attitudes.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 18:32:03
As if it isn't bad enough to have one fuckwit from Liverpool in the squad, we now have, if possible, an even worse player in as replacement for Lampard.

Never thought I'd see the day when such utter shite was deemed good enough to represent my country.

Come on you boys in green!!!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 19:38:02
Cant believe Henderson is in the squad, him and Downing have been terrible this year.

Midfield 2 will be Gerrard and Parker then, pray they dont get injured otherwise CM will look very very weak


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Langers on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 19:40:02
Cant believe Henderson is in the squad, him and Downing have been terrible this year.

Shows just how little strength in depth we have.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 19:46:21
Shows just how little strength in depth we have.
Well we have Wilshere who is a great prospect, Carrick would have got in their for me, Cleverley possibly. A CM pairing of Milner and Henderson doesnt fill me with much confidence


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 19:48:11
Not read all this thread, so I could be completely wrong here. But I'm really surprised Russia haven't been tipped to do well this tournament.  Easy-ish group, virtually playing at home (well Eastern Europe), decent squad, cracking manager, they could do pretty well I reckon.  They won't do anything now I've tipped them.

Good each way bet I reckon.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: donkey on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 19:49:21
Not read all this thread, so I could be completely wrong here. But I'm really surprised Russia haven't been tipped to do well this tournament.  Easy-ish group, virtually playing at home (well Eastern Europe), decent squad, cracking manager, they could do pretty well I reckon.  They won't do anything now I've tipped them.

Good each way bet I reckon.

Well they have ruled most of the it in the last 100 years!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 19:53:22
8th favourites for the title @25/1 with Skybet at the moment. Think that's pretty good value. 


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 19:54:39
Relax, sit back and enjoy lots of televised football.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 19:57:41
Relax, sit back and enjoy lots of televised football.
Gunna be in Spain for the quarters/semis so wont be able to sit back that much as Spain will rocking I hope


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 20:00:19
Gunna be in Spain for the quarters/semis so wont be able to sit back that much as Spain will rocking I hope

I saw bits and pieces of World Cup 2006 while at a festival in Belgium, it was great.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 20:02:14
Not read all this thread, so I could be completely wrong here. But I'm really surprised Russia haven't been tipped to do well this tournament.  Easy-ish group, virtually playing at home (well Eastern Europe), decent squad, cracking manager, they could do pretty well I reckon.  They won't do anything now I've tipped them.

Good each way bet I reckon.

I'm gonna have a little e/w flutter on the Czechs at 66/1 based on how wide open that Group A is.  No 2 team combination getting out of that group would surprise me  


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 20:08:56
How good are the czechs though, have they some some decent youngster coming through, Saw them play a year or two back and they looked passed it then, so unless they do have some decent fresh blood I can't see them getting passed the quarters.  But you never know.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 20:10:45
Relax, sit back and enjoy lots of televised football.

I'm a bit concerned that we might be in for a snorefest of negative football.  Hope I'm wrong, but Spain have cast a bit of a shadow on the rest...so we've seen anti football tried by first the Dutch in the WC, which nearly worked then Chelsea on Barca in the CL.

We're unlikely to be pulling up any "beautiful game" trees, and the Italians will be their usual self, with a seemingly limited squad.

Think France will be pragmatic, and a couple of the groups look tough, so teams will look to avoid losing early group games.

Germany offer the best bet of something interesting as Jogi Loew seems a bit of a cavalier. Portugal may also be worth a watch as they have the stand out individual player, but not sure what else they've got.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: donkey on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 20:11:24
How good are the czechs though, have they some some decent youngster coming through, Saw them play a year or two back and they looked passed it then, so unless they do have some decent fresh blood I can't see them getting passed the quarters.  But you never know.

They don't have any fresh blood.  Sadly (given my heritage), your assessment is spot on.  Abra, save your cash!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 20:11:42
How good are the czechs though,

Let's put it this way......

Even Magera didn't make the squad


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 20:15:41
I saw bits and pieces of World Cup 2006 while at a festival in Belgium, it was great.
I was in Magaluf when Spain won the WC, it went fucking mental. By far the craziest night i have ever had!!!! Hopefully be a repeat of that in a months time!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 20:33:40
I flew into greece the day they won the euros.

Our bus driver to the hotel was pissed.

Scary times!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 22:13:57
With Lampard out and Henderson in the self-imposed Carrick-sized hole in our midfield looks more ominous than ever.  Such a shame - I genuinely think he would now have a chance of starting had he not thrown a strop.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 22:30:28
I flew into greece the day they won the euros.

Our bus driver to the hotel was pissed.

Scary times!

Greek bus drivers are always pissed


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 22:32:38
Greek bus drivers Eastern Europeans are always pissed


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 22:34:14
I flew into greece the day they won the euros.

Our bus driver to the hotel was pissed.

Scary times!

They drive like that all the time


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 23:16:18
Anyone fancy doing a fantasy league?

I'll set one up on here if enough wanna do it.
http://en.euro2012fantasy.uefa.com/
This ones free..


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, May 31, 2012, 23:16:46
Would be up for that.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, June 1, 2012, 00:45:30
Yea, I'll do it.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, June 1, 2012, 00:50:48
Code is: 146162-48329


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: slinky on Friday, June 1, 2012, 09:17:08
I'm in.  TEF Slinky FC.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Friday, June 1, 2012, 09:23:51
I have no idea how these things work but want to play .....

So do I haveto click on the register bit first and go through all that before it lets me play?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Rustle on Friday, June 1, 2012, 10:20:41
Count me in..


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Friday, June 1, 2012, 12:39:23
Go on then.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, June 1, 2012, 13:02:58
'ere we go then.

Athletico Lomas


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 1, 2012, 13:18:24
Team's in.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: scollenstfc on Friday, June 1, 2012, 13:36:58
Can a Newbie join? 


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Friday, June 1, 2012, 14:07:59
Team done.

Cee Uuu Next Tuesday


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, June 1, 2012, 14:13:46
Fell asleep last night so only done it now, Im England Please Win. I wonder how I thought of that...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, June 1, 2012, 14:18:59
Luftputefartøyet SK has entered...

How many of us chose Coxy as our cheapo forward?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Friday, June 1, 2012, 14:22:27
How many of us chose Coxy as our cheapo forward?

Haha me too


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 1, 2012, 14:24:42
Don't have a cheap forward, splashed out on Lewandowski, Benzema and Pogrebnyak. Cox is my profile picture though!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, June 1, 2012, 14:27:54
Nah my cheap striker was Jelavic, only 5 points  ;)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, June 1, 2012, 14:28:33
Nah my cheap striker was Jelavic, only 5 points

Didn't mean to do that sorry...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, June 1, 2012, 14:43:54
I'm in.

Jeremy Beadle's Hand


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Friday, June 1, 2012, 15:11:57
I must say my kit is quite sexy. Beige shorts.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, June 1, 2012, 15:44:42
Haha me too
i only did it because of you two


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Friday, June 1, 2012, 18:25:35
I am in.

Team Name ..... Come On India


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Friday, June 1, 2012, 21:00:27
Rat Out! Rangers submitted.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Friday, June 1, 2012, 22:14:14
Oxlade chamberlain and welbeck to start tomorrow


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Friday, June 1, 2012, 22:28:36
Done

 Suicidal Snowmen


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 15:48:29
Sporting Lederhosen.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 17:48:42
England really are poor and bloody awful to watch. Players seem obsessed with keeping position and doing nothing else.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 17:55:27
That's what we need to learn to do though tbh.Have always given the ball away to cheaply,may not be pretty yet but good to see us not hitting long after 2 passes.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 18:02:52
We're not keeping the ball though, although Belgium are. Luckily for us they can't defend.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 18:10:12
But we are trying to though which is important.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 18:16:23
Nice little advert with Gazza just then, for anyone who saw it


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 18:17:05
Shame you cant understand him


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 18:22:31
Shame you cant understand him
Ha


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 18:45:09
Nice little advert with Gazza just then, for anyone who saw it

He looks like he's half-dead though. 

Definitely an advert for the don't drink/do drugs campaigns.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 18:53:51
Glen Johnson is not an international footballer


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Gnasher on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 19:17:19
If football is entertainment, what are England?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 19:50:22
We have certainly look more organised in the last 2 games. Its not pretty on the eyes as two 1-0's would suggest but it could well get us out of the group playing like this.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 20:05:50
Adequate performance, Belgium are no mugs.

So Cahill and Terry have injury scares, I guess Roy can't go back to Ferdinand if we need a new CB given he was left out for "footballing reasons".


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 20:20:09
Highlight of the game was the Belgian physio wearing jeans.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 21:15:02
Was at the game. Thought we were pretty bad and how on earth did gerrard get motm? Nobody impressed although fellaini and hazard looked good and scotland face an uphill battle in the world cup qualifiers against them.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 21:22:16
Strange how people see different games.Thought Hazard was poor,32m for him makes carrol look a bargain.We wasn't great but 31 days after taking over he has produced 2 wins.Good enough for me


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 21:29:38
Was at the game. Thought we were pretty bad and how on earth did gerrard get motm? Nobody impressed although fellaini and hazard looked good and scotland face an uphill battle in the world cup qualifiers against them.

Scotland have nothing to worry about with Belgium. Think you're forgetting what a tactical mastermind Avril is and what amazing strength in depth the current Scottish national squad has. I mean I don't think any 4th tier players have turned down an invite from Avril, just yet.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, June 2, 2012, 22:31:28
It wasn't a great game, and we lacked drive going forward. BUT we kept Hazard quiet, and Belgium's only real chances of the game were one poor header and a speculative shot which hit the post.

I thought Glen Johnson had a poor game, and we dived into tackles too often. I think what could make or break England will be whether or not we make use of the wings. Belgium defended against it pretty well today but we did create a couple of opportunities from wide positions that could have resulted in goals.

Overall, not inspiring but a job done against decent opposition.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 10:03:02
I feel instead of playing two friendlies the players could have done with a week off....they all look jaded to me....and players with little niggles would have time to rest up after a season has just finished.

Trying new tactics a week before your first match seems pointless to me....Norway was a good workout and that should have been it in my view.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Anteater on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 10:05:57
Was at the game. Thought we were pretty bad and how on earth did gerrard get motm? Nobody impressed although fellaini and hazard looked good and scotland face an uphill battle in the world cup qualifiers against them.
Cos Andy Townsend is a muppet !


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 10:15:26
The two friendlies were no different to domestic equivalents in July/August.

They should be considered a light run-out and nothing more. Nowadays, I wouldn't pay to travel to Wembley unless it was a competitive match.

I'm glad we didn't tonk either side as it would have resulted in the increase of silly expectations. Also, I'm glad that we didn't lose or draw as it would have been a week of people saying "we're losing to teams like Norway and Belgium, we might as well not be there" blah blah blah


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 10:40:16
Was at the game. Thought we were pretty bad and how on earth did gerrard get motm? Nobody impressed although fellaini and hazard looked good and scotland face an uphill battle in the world cup qualifiers against them.

I think we're more limited than bad...the players at least looked to be putting in a bit of effort, which makes a change....with France coming up, no real idea of what to expect from them.  By all accounts Blanc has sorted out the mess of the end of the Domenech regime.  Benzema is an improving player for Real, and should be way too good for us.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 11:22:22
The two friendlies were no different to domestic equivalents in July/August.

They should be considered a light run-out and nothing more. Nowadays, I wouldn't pay to travel to Wembley unless it was a competitive match.

I'm glad we didn't tonk either side as it would have resulted in the increase of silly expectations. Also, I'm glad that we didn't lose or draw as it would have been a week of people saying "we're losing to teams like Norway and Belgium, we might as well not be there" blah blah blah

Yep...i am sure Cahil enjoyed his light run out......waste of time and energy a week before a real tough opening match.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 11:38:07
You have got to bear in mind that none of the England players want to get injured, whereas the Belgium players are off to a beach somewhere today, one last blow out for them.

The england players should have been playing at 80-90%.

Anyone that expected a great balls out performance from England in either of these friendlies was expecting too much.  They were 2 run outs, that's all.  Equivalent to Supermarine and Cirencester for town in July.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 11:50:44
Dont agree Berni.....not many of our first team will play v Supermarine or Cirencester...will be full of trialists and youngsters....with a few of the main lads.
England put the first team out a week before a crunch match.....maybe i am in the minority in my thinking but i think that is nuts.
Not sure the manager would have been to happy with having to play it either.
As it happens i think we looked solid and if we can get through the group we have as good a chance as any in the knockout stages.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 12:33:14
Ok, not literally Supermarine or Cirencester, but you get the point I was trying to make?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 15:04:22
Cahill out, Martin Kelly drafted in as his replacement. Hmmm


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 15:12:26
Would rather Micah Richards


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 15:22:28
Id rather Micah Richards or even Dawson actually. I quite like Liverpool but how they now have 6 players in the squad is ridiculous. If Terry isnt fit for the euros then the CB position will be very weak


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 15:43:31
Agree on Micah Richards. More so for his versatility...and the fact he's better at right back than Glenn Johnson.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 15:54:21
Just call Rio Ferdinand up, If it was just footballing issues as Roy said it was then surely would have no problem calling him up...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 16:00:24
Just call Rio Ferdinand up, If it was just footballing issues as Roy said it was then surely would have no problem calling him up...

But it wasn't just footballing issues was it.

I'm guessing that he asked Ferdinand & Terry if they could play together & Rio said No way.
If that was the case then it left Hodgson with no choice, you can't have the players dictating who is in the squad.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 16:05:57
Is Martin Kelly a CB?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 16:08:16
He's Liverpools backup right back.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 16:11:08
But it wasn't just footballing issues was it.

I'm guessing that he asked Ferdinand & Terry if they could play together & Rio said No way.
If that was the case then it left Hodgson with no choice, you can't have the players dictating who is in the squad.


If that is the case why is Ferdinand tweeting 'what reasons????'


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 16:14:48
Deffo a strange one regarding Rio. Does look dodgy and always has to be honest


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 16:26:17
Feel sorry for Cahill.  All happened from a totally unecessary shove in the back from the belgian dick aswell. Cahill is a bigger loss than all of those we have lost so far IMO.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 17:24:16
Kelly is lightweight, should be giving Richards or Ferdinand the call up.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 18:00:22
Are there no other English CBs in the country ? Is that why we have called up Liverpools reserve team RB?


Title: Re: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 18:49:27
Hand on heart I'd never even heard of martin Kelly until about 30 minutes ago.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Benzel on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 19:02:26
Seen him a few times for Liverpool this season and tbf he looks like a decent prospect.


Title: Re: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 19:19:10
Yeah, having never heard of him I've got no opinion whatsoever. Just surprised he's in ahead off more estabilised players.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 19:23:00
Cahill was a nailed on starter so bringing in Liverpool's second choice full back is a strange one. People are going nuts over it like they have since Woy named the inital squad so it is entertaining, to me at least.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: herthab on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 20:04:30
People would've bitched about whoever he brought in.

If he's got potential and Hodgson thinks he'll be a regular by 2014, why not put him in now for experience? It's not like we're gonna win the fucking thing anyway.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: thedarkprince on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 20:06:24
Agree herthab, it's just a shame it's not instead of Terry.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 22:19:33
People were moaning after South Africa that we should have a clear out and go with the kids.  All the replacements have been kids and people are still moaning saying we should put an injury prone hasbeen in instead.

I think this is the best thing that can happen.  The tournament is a write off anyway so pack the squad full of youngsters and start building for the future.  It worked for Germany, and spain to a certain extent.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: A Gent Orange on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 22:26:46
True, but Germany also invested in youth. Their FA told the clubs to do so and they did. Our national team has long since been sacrificed for the glory of the Premier League.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: stfcinbmth on Sunday, June 3, 2012, 22:36:09
True, but Germany also invested in youth. Their FA told the clubs to do so and they did. Our national team has long since been sacrificed for the glory of the Premier League.

Agreed, report in the paper this this weekend about how much money Chelsea have spent on players so far this close season, something like £82m. Why on earth bother with a youth team?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: cheltred69 on Monday, June 4, 2012, 09:44:42
Can only see it getting worse with EPPP.  Even more promising young players collected by Premier League teams to sit in their youth teams / reserves instead of developing by playing competitive football.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Monday, June 4, 2012, 09:59:07
The micah richards situation interests me.I can't be the only one to think there must be something behind the scenes that is making every national manager overlook him,i notice mancini also dropped him.In regards to youngsters i do think we have been unfortunate that wilshire.cleverly,walker and smalling are injured as it would of given hodgson a chance to use them.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Monday, June 4, 2012, 10:27:48
Kelly is a good player,bur Richards is a much better player at this moment in time.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: stfcinbmth on Monday, June 4, 2012, 10:35:30
Can only see it getting worse with EPPP.  Even more promising young players collected by Premier League teams to sit in their youth teams / reserves instead of developing by playing competitive football.

That EPPP is a friggin disgrace, PL just greedy, robbing bastards


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: london_red on Monday, June 4, 2012, 10:40:08
The micah richards situation interests me.I can't be the only one to think there must be something behind the scenes that is making every national manager overlook him,i notice mancini also dropped him.In regards to youngsters i do think we have been unfortunate that wilshire.cleverly,walker and smalling are injured as it would of given hodgson a chance to use them.

Agree completely re: Richards. As fans we see him play well a lot of the time on a saturday, but as we've seen with PdC last season that's only part of what goes into managers' thinking. Attitude off the pitch, training etc all play a part and as you say DRS it's beyond a coincidence now that he is so regularly not selected, that there must be an underlying issue there that we don't know about.

With the Ferdinand thing, whether or not Roy made the right call picking Kelly over him, I intensely dislike the entitled response he gave through his agent yesterday. Something along the lines of 'this is no way to treat someone who has played for and captained his country so many times'. So what? Representing England is a priviledge not a right, and just because you've done it lots in the past in no way means the current boss is obliged to pick you - otherwise Shilton would still be in the squad.

To be honest, with the way the press and much of the public I've seen on here, twitter etc seem to have jumped down Hodgson's throat over his squad and written him off already, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we actually had a decent tournament.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 4, 2012, 10:46:03
That EPPP is a friggin disgrace, PL just greedy, robbing bastards

The goal is hopefully to development and enhance English junior football to the point that the bigger clubs cannot possibly accommodate the entire talent pool. At this moment in time they can, which in footballing terms is frightening.

Ending 11 vs. 11 football for kids who are under 13 is a good start. The current situation is certainly more to do with how the country have developed children (as mentioned above) since the 1980's than a few injuries, MIA's and a new manager.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Monday, June 4, 2012, 10:56:33
I didnt realise that Rio's agent was Jamie Moralee.

Crap striker he was.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, June 4, 2012, 11:05:41
Can't play forever Rio


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, June 4, 2012, 11:17:47
The micah richards situation interests me.I can't be the only one to think there must be something behind the scenes that is making every national manager overlook him,i notice mancini also dropped him.In regards to youngsters i do think we have been unfortunate that wilshire.cleverly,walker and smalling are injured as it would of given hodgson a chance to use them.

I think Mancini and Capello both thought him not tactically disciplined enough to stick to the systems they wanted to play


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, June 4, 2012, 11:30:00
Micah Richards played 37 games for the Champions last season. He has to contend with Zabaleta as his competition - both players would be stand out first choice in most other teams.

I assume he hasnt been called up as a replacement because he refused to go on the standby list.

Why he wasnt in the original squad I dont know - a much, much better player than Glenn Johnson.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 4, 2012, 15:45:12
Glenn Johnson is poo.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 4, 2012, 16:47:31
Glenn Johnson is poo.

He was absolutely horrific on Saturday. If Kelly is back up to him, we are in deep shit.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Monday, June 4, 2012, 20:09:03
People were moaning after South Africa that we should have a clear out and go with the kids.  All the replacements have been kids and people are still moaning saying we should put an injury prone hasbeen in instead.

I think this is the best thing that can happen.  The tournament is a write off anyway so pack the squad full of youngsters and start building for the future.  It worked for Germany, and spain to a certain extent.

The last thing these young England players need is to be thrown in to a major tournament without any experience players around them, get thrashed (because they lack the experience and not to mention they're not international level yet) and subsequently get absolutely annihilated and written off by the press and fans.

Germany in 2010 still had Klose, Schweinsteiger, Mertesacker, Friedrich, Lahm and Podolski who were experienced Internationals, same with Spain.

The young England players need to be integrated slowly and with seasoned campaigners around them.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Monday, June 4, 2012, 20:17:58
The last thing these young England players need is to be thrown in to a major tournament without any experience players around them, get thrashed (because they lack the experience and not to mention they're not international level yet) and subsequently get absolutely annihilated and written off by the press and fans.

Germany in 2010 still had Klose, Schweinsteiger, Mertesacker, Friedrich, Lahm and Podolski who were experienced Internationals, same with Spain.

The young England players need to be integrated slowly and with seasoned campaigners around them.

fuck em, throw them in the deep end, if they're good enough to play/be on the books for the top flight then they're good to play for the national side. sink or swim the best way.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 4, 2012, 20:23:06
Looking at players age and caps earned, England have a nice blend of youth and experience in the current squad.

Age is not an issue, strength and depth is (which is an issue that goes beyond Euro 2012).


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Monday, June 4, 2012, 20:27:22
fuck em, throw them in the deep end, if they're good enough to play/be on the books for the top flight then they're good to play for the national side. sink or swim the best way.

Not how it works. Players need to be integrated slowly and when they're ready, not just for the sake of it.

By your reasoning, Jay Spearing and Bradley Johnson are international footballers just because they play for a top flight side?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: pericarp on Monday, June 4, 2012, 20:27:43
Spearing for England!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, June 4, 2012, 20:28:44
I'm with Mr. Verve

I'm all for the youngsters playing and I do not like John Terry, but the have to have some guidance from older heads while they find their feet.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Monday, June 4, 2012, 20:52:56
fair point though, surely if they're playing at man u, city, arsenal, chelsea then they should be learning from the experienced players anyway? if they're not then there must be something wrong?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: mrverve on Monday, June 4, 2012, 21:24:35
fair point though, surely if they're playing at man u, city, arsenal, chelsea then they should be learning from the experienced players anyway? if they're not then there must be something wrong?

You would hope so but just because you play for one of those sides doesn't necessarily mean you're good enough to play for England.

Most teams that do well in tournaments are ones who have the right blend of youth and experience. Look at the Italy team in 2006, the core was of experience players (who had failed in tournaments in the past) along with younger players in and around the team to freshen things up.

I can't think of a national side who have won a major tournament or got to the latter stages made up only of young players.



Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: matt_jada on Thursday, June 7, 2012, 11:06:27
Not sure i agree with this latest statement from Platini

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18338838

I mean reacting to fans calling you a wanker is one thing and the player in question should probably be booked but getting booked after being racially abused is
a bit of a shocker, good luck to the referees in this tournament.

Anyone else thinks this tournament could be a fucking shambles.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 7, 2012, 11:13:34
Not sure i agree with this latest statement from Platini

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18338838

I mean reacting to fans calling you a wanker is one thing and the player in question should probably be booked but getting booked after being racially abused is
a bit of a shocker, good luck to the referees in this tournament.

Anyone else thinks this tournament could be a fucking shambles.

Could very easily get farcical....for example the Czech's have Theodore Selassie, and they play Poland and Russia...very easy to see this lad get abuse and so the ref has to take the sides off...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, June 7, 2012, 11:15:14
Defoe has flown home after the passing of his dad, nothing said as to if he will go back or a replacement will be sent.

Rio is waiting anxiously.   :eek:


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, June 7, 2012, 11:16:25
Defoe has flown home after the passing of his dad, nothing said as to if he will go back or a replacement will be sent.

Rio is waiting anxiously.   :eek:
scrap that, just read that no replacement will be flown in.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 7, 2012, 11:48:00
There's just something about England and championships - always distractions off the pitch.

Mind you, with the usual shite served up on the pitch, maybe that's a good thing.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Friday, June 8, 2012, 00:16:05
Sad to hear the news regarding Black Dutch players being subjected to Monkey chants in training today  :no:

Why did they award Euro 2012 to a bunch of fucking neanderthals? Disgusting


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: oxford_fan on Friday, June 8, 2012, 03:31:55
Like I heard Sol Campbell say today, if you want to host major competitions like the Euros you should have to clean up your act beforehand. It's easy to monitor domestic leagues to see if a country has been tackling racism, and whether it would be suitable for hosting.

There are always going to be a minority of imbeciles wherever you hold it, but you can see where this one is going.

Not that FIFA would give a..... monkeys... of course.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, June 8, 2012, 06:50:21
If you want to host major competitions like the Euros you should have to clean up your act beforehand.

The key word there is should, in reality you just need to grease the right palms and you're in.

I don't believe that UEFA is any better than FIFA nowadays, Platini is becoming more like Blatter by the day.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Crispy on Friday, June 8, 2012, 06:50:55
Rumours on Facebook that a group of Poland attacked a bar full of 300 England & Ireland fans in Poland last night, can't see it being true, why would England fans be in Poland, unless they are at the training camp and fancy making the 800 odd mile trip to our first game Monday. Think we'll be seeing a few rumours like this throughout the tournament..


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 8, 2012, 07:49:39
Platini is a cock for saying players will be booked if they leave the pitch. That's just going to give the racist wankers even more reason to use the racist chants now.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Friday, June 8, 2012, 08:15:03
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18363736

Oh dear not a good start, but don't worry folks the monkey chants aimed at the dutch black players weren't down to racism, they were protests that no matches are to be held in that town. So that's okay then.

I really hope one day countries will leave UEFA & FIFA en masse, as the people running the game are a disgrace.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, June 8, 2012, 08:57:18
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18363736

Oh dear not a good start, but don't worry folks the monkey chants aimed at the dutch black players weren't down to racism, they were protests that no matches are to be held in that town. So that's okay then.

I really hope one day countries will leave UEFA & FIFA en masse, as the people running the game are a disgrace.
That's exactly what should happen. The only problem is that the men in charge of the various FA's are just as incompetent/corrupt as UEFA and FIFA and they go hand in glove with each other.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: A Gent Orange on Friday, June 8, 2012, 09:10:59
That's exactly what should happen. The only problem is that the men in charge of the various FA's are just as incompetent/corrupt as UEFA and FIFA and they go hand in glove with each other.

Hey, come on. That's wrong. You've missed out the Premier League. They've fucked over the England team and lower league football just for a bit more cash.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 8, 2012, 11:14:47
Platini is a cock for saying players will be booked if they leave the pitch. That's just going to give the racist wankers even more reason to use the racist chants now.

This story  (1 Apr 2012) was no April fools joke:

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/57142-fa-anger-over-racism-fine

Quote
The Football Association and anti-racism campaigners have rounded on UEFA for fines imposed following the hot-tempered clash between England and Serbia at the European Under-21 Championships.

The Serbian FA have been ordered to pay £16,500 for racist chanting by their supporters in Nijmegen and for the actions of their players.

it tells you all you need to know about how seriously UEFA takes racism.

I'm not saying we in England take the morale high ground here, it was only in the late 80's that the Big bananas and monkey chants were common place in most football grounds. Its more that we did more to address it than turning a blind eye and issuing token fines.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: matt_jada on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 15:15:09
Interesting to Simon Cox start for Ireland tonight

Biggest match of his career no doubht  vs Spain in the Euro's,  15/2 anytime scorer  ;D

Can't see anything but a Spanish win myself, maybe by 3 or more goals





Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 15:47:09

Can't see anything but a Spanish win myself, maybe by 3 or more goals


Not likely if the bloke who looks like Rene from 'allo 'allo plays Paul Harts tactics


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 15:51:03
Not likely if the bloke who looks like Rene from 'allo 'allo plays Paul Harts tactics

I think he's going to go 3-7-0. I'm not psuedo-Irish, but I'll cheer them on as underdogs. Especially if Spain are as boring and patient as they were against the Italians.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 16:36:32
Cox starting tonight for the irish


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 16:38:06
Starting in midfield in a 4-5-1 role, Behind the striker I assume? Or will he play on the left again.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 16:46:06
I think he will be the striker with Keane in behind him


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 16:49:07
Cox starting tonight for the irish

it would be nice for him to bag a goal for ireland, what time does it kick off?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 16:51:29
it would be nice for him to bag a goal for ireland, what time does it kick off?

Well with the Russians any time you fancy it seems.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 16:55:07
Cox starting tonight for the irish

First time we've had a proper old boy play in a major tournament since the Fridge did a memorable marking job on Ronaldo, in the 98 WC.  :)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DMR on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 17:08:35
Well with the Russians any time you fancy it seems.

:D Good from you


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 17:10:20
All crumbs gratefully accepted. ;D


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 17:28:46
Anyone else agree that there is just something very unsavoury about the countries that used to make up Yugoslavia.

Croatian flags in the crowd emblazoned with pictures of some military leader. Them and the Serbs make my skin crawl



Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 17:30:58
Croatia is a beautiful country with extremely nice people based on my 2 holidays there.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 17:33:36
No doubt. But I would imagine every country with a large tourist industry puts on its best face


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 17:47:15
I love Croatia! One of my favourite country's.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 17:52:08
Anyone else agree that there is just something very unsavoury about the countries that used to make up Yugoslavia.

Croatian flags in the crowd emblazoned with pictures of some military leader. Them and the Serbs make my skin crawl



Which military leader?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 18:32:24
For a moment there I expected Rideout to appear out of the smoke and smack it in the back of the filth net

I need to get some sleep


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 18:41:22
Which military leader?

One of those that murdered thousands no doubt. Karadic? Not sure if he's Serb or Croat. On trial at the moment for war crimes


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 18:51:17
Simon Cox starts for the Irish against Spain tonight.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 18:55:34
Simon Cox starts for the Irish against Spain tonight.

He earned it for his effort when coming on against the Croats.

Good luck to him.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:05:01
He earned it for his effort when coming on against the Croats.

He did more than McGeady did within the first 60 seconds of coming on. McGeady is lucky to keep his place.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:11:17
Cox was gash against the croats, although they all were tbf


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:13:57
Cox was gash against the croats, although they all were tbf

I think that's pretty harsh on him (and my opinion is has nothing to do with his Swindon past).


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:42:51
As much as I love the bloke it's pretty sad state of affairs for Eire if they are starting a striker who is realistically a top-end championship player.



Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:44:55
Well they have a world class coach in charge....so getting the nod over Long and others is a big up to Coxy.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Langers on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:49:40
Well, the Irish are fucked then...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:52:46
Cracking finish from Torres.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:57:21
First time we've had a proper old boy play in a major tournament since the Fridge did a memorable marking job on Ronaldo, in the 98 WC.  :)

As much as I didn't like the bloke, doesn't Fallon count as an ex-Town player competing in a major tournament in WC2010?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 19:58:13
Dunne is so slow....


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 20:37:03
I'm willing Coxy to do well, but the truth is he doesn't seem to be getting a sniff (at least based on my interrupted viewing).  Spain are just too good.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 20:38:05
Started well enough and then duly disappeared.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 20:56:19
Started watching the second half, and had to give up. It's painful to watch


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 21:12:55
As much as I didn't like the bloke, doesn't Fallon count as an ex-Town player competing in a major tournament in WC2010?

Good work. Somehow I forgot about the Kiwi's, I think, undefeated WC. 


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 21:17:22
If Spain had decided to step up a gear (and they could) then this could have been far, far worse for the Irish.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: joteddyred on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 21:59:52
Roy Keane wasn't best pleased with the Irish performance then?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 22:20:01
Roy Keane wasn't best pleased with the Irish performance then?

Think he was spot on.  Must be bad enough seeing your country taken apart like that but to have to listen to the patronising commentary on the spirit of the “Oirsh” from ITV was pretty grim.

“Oooh look at the fans singing along”

“Fair to say they will be having a drink tonight”

Why not go the whole hog and stuff a spud up his arse.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Only Me on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 22:36:38
Roy Keane wasn't best pleased with the Irish performance then?

Well said Keane. He has a good point


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 23:31:21
Anyone else agree that there is just something very unsavoury about the countries that used to make up Yugoslavia.

Croatian flags in the crowd emblazoned with pictures of some military leader. Them and the Serbs make my skin crawl


I like you.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, June 14, 2012, 23:34:01
One of those that murdered thousands no doubt. Karadic? Not sure if he's Serb or Croat. On trial at the moment for war crimes
Nah it wouldn't have been him, he's a Serb. It could have been Ante Gotovina, he's a "war hero" in Croatia.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 15, 2012, 21:23:29
No Sweden v England matchday thread?

Get in there Walcott.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Friday, June 15, 2012, 21:25:38
Now get Chamberlain on too


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Friday, June 15, 2012, 21:28:25
just saw a swindon flag


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 15, 2012, 21:35:40
Jesus christ we are getting murdered on the break. This is Sweden FFS, decent but imagine if we had to play Spain.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 15, 2012, 21:36:23
And what a finish from DW!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Friday, June 15, 2012, 21:40:59
It maybe uncomfortable but I've missed this :)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Friday, June 15, 2012, 21:57:08
Hahahaha! We're not going to go very far in this tournament (unless we ride some serious luck) but that was amazing.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:02:03
Was a good game, good being entertaining.

The frog game was very organised, this wasn't.

I still have no idea of how we might do


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:12:15
Defence was a fucking shambles. Didn't get the ball out wide enough. Didn't put enough crosses in. Weren't strong enough in the tackle. Midfield totally disorganised.

Fuck knows why Milner and Young were out wide and Walcott was left on the bench.

Sweden were there for the taking and we were only saved by Walcott and an incredible finish by Welbeck.

If we play like that against anyone decent we're fucked.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:12:34
Jesus christ we are getting murdered on the break. This is Sweden FFS, decent but imagine if we had to play Spain.

We did, and won 1-0 quite recently  :doh:


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:23:03


Sweden were there for the taking and we were only saved by Walcott and an incredible finish by Welbeck.



Just as Sweden were saved from losing 5-2 by two wonder saves from Gerrard and Terry.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:23:29
Defence was a fucking shambles. Didn't get the ball out wide enough. Didn't put enough crosses in. Weren't strong enough in the tackle. Midfield totally disorganised.

Fuck knows why Milner and Young were out wide and Walcott was left on the bench.

Sweden were there for the taking and we were only saved by Walcott and an incredible finish by Welbeck.

If we play like that against anyone decent we're fucked.

...but we're not good enough for all that mumbo-jumbo anyway, so relax!

I enjoyed us beating Sweden tonight. Erik Hamren standing motionless after our third. The silencing of their fans. Brilliant.

A Ukraine win is nowhere near a certainty but there's no harm in enjoying this fortunate win.

Also, what caused the Hart vs. Ibrahimovic altercation?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:28:46
We did, and won 1-0 quite recently  :doh:

Yes but we didn't defend like that :)

To be honest the quater finals would be a good achievement.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:29:57
The silencing of their fans.

Talking of which, I thought the Oirish fans were superb last night. I guess its easier in the face of hoplessness (like us v Forest in that 7-1)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:30:49
Talking of which, I thought the Oirish fans were superb last night.

Pffft. One song, they only had one song.

 :bye:


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:35:36
We might not have the pretty, pretty stuff of Spain et al but we have something no other team has


BOLLOCKS


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:40:37
Pffft. One song, they only had one song.

 :bye:
Talking of that one song... Is it the same one the scoucers sing at Anfield?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:41:02
Good game...good win.

Unbeaten so far and we look to be qualified.

Great effort.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:42:50
Talking of that one song... Is it the same one the scoucers sing at Anfield?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fields_of_Athenry

For the record i hate it!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: donkey on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:46:32
Also, what caused the Hart vs. Ibrahimovic altercation?

Hart said he liked the start of Life of Brian...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnzFx7-5hhY


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Costanza on Friday, June 15, 2012, 22:56:22
Hart said he liked the start of Life of Brian...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnzFx7-5hhY

I bloody knew it.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: adje on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:12:28
Message to Gerrard-stay on your feet you cheating dick! Walcott did when a lot of players would have gone down in the box and set up the winner.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:14:23
Message to Gerrard-stay on your feet you cheating dick! Walcott did when a lot of players would have gone down in the box and set up the winner.
Message to Gerrard,Great fucking cross for the goal


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: adje on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:18:32
.....still a cheat


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:35:59
Am I the only who has become completely detatched from the national side?

I watched the game but didn't feel a thing, didn't care we went behind or that we came back to win 3-2. I can honestly say I couldn't give a flying fuck with England. I just hope I can reserect my passion for the team like I had 8-10 years ago.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:37:22
.....still a cheat

He was fouled tonight,outsidethe box.Every fucking player goes down when touched now


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:48:09
Am I the only who has become completely detatched from the national side?

I watched the game but didn't feel a thing, didn't care we went behind or that we came back to win 3-2. I can honestly say I couldn't give a flying fuck with England. I just hope I can reserect my passion for the team like I had 8-10 years ago.


I felt that before the Euros.

however as the tournament has gone on i've found myself caring more.

tonight when I put on my England shirt i was excited about the game and looking forward to it. Something I havent felt in ages!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:50:21
Am I the only who has become completely detatched from the national side?

I watched the game but didn't feel a thing, didn't care we went behind or that we came back to win 3-2. I can honestly say I couldn't give a flying fuck with England. I just hope I can reserect my passion for the team like I had 8-10 years ago.
I try to be detached but can't. Love Towm , Love England. Both Sweden and England were pretty crap but it was a good game. The rest of Europe won't be quaking in their boots but we won. Wellbeck is going to be a very good player as long as he keeps learning. We won despite some pretty poor perofrmances out there - Young was shit again, Cole was better but still not great and Gerrard ( apart from one cross ) was shite. We've got 4 points and haven't really got going.  


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:55:27
I give a fuck and i love the fact that we finally seem to have a manager who gives a fuck.People saying tonight was typical england are wrong,at 2-1 we would of lost that game.With Hodgson and even neville on the sidelines i get the impression that given time they can remind the next batch of players that playing for england shouldnt be a chore.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, June 15, 2012, 23:56:36
I was detached but then with the game on in the background I get drawn in. Ending up getting wound up yet again by all the fucking stupid school boy mistakes and them making poor opponents look half decent. Whilst we haven't got the best team, we have got some decent players and they always turn in to fucking morons as soon as they put on an England shirt.

Even the pundits were winding me up, applauding Hodgson for the game changing substitution rather than criticising him for picking the wrong players in the first place. Only in Hodgson World is Milner a better player than Walcott.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:05:45
i love the fact that we finally seem to have a manager who gives a fuck.

Agreed. Think Hodgson (& Neville) could do great things for England.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:08:21
Bollocks Jonny,like most you are happy to jump on the anti bandwagon.People like you thrive on us losing or just point out the negative.For everything bad you pointed out you choose to ignore that Bar the goals Hart had fuckall saves to make,we scored 3 good goals from open play,the keeper has made 3 superb saves.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:13:02
Based on my expectations we've already overachieved. I'm hoping at the end of this tournament we can remove the "golden generation" and crack on with the youngsters. In Roy I trust.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Spud on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:15:54
It's BACK ON!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:25:25
Also Jonny, Milner in my opinion is a far better player and option than Walcott.
9 times out of ten his shot would of gone into row Z, and his cross for the goal would have gone out for a throw.
He's a rich mans Ricky Shakes with no dancing.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:42:18
Bollocks Jonny,like most you are happy to jump on the anti bandwagon.People like you thrive on us losing or just point out the negative.For everything bad you pointed out you choose to ignore that Bar the goals Hart had fuckall saves to make,we scored 3 good goals from open play,the keeper has made 3 superb saves.

Not at all. I just get frustrated when they make stupid mistakes that they shouldn't be making. I'm one of the deluded few that think we've got a team capable of winning it (though I always think that) but they won't win anything playing like that.

The goals we scored showed what we are capable of. But how many good crosses in to the box was there other than Gerrard's for the first goal? How times did our wingers run at the defence other than Walcott for the third goal? How many times did they keep things simple and pass the ball around?

I thought they looked a bit nervous, or were lacking confidence. Which is something I don't remember seeing before.

Also Jonny, Milner in my opinion is a far better player and option than Walcott.
9 times out of ten his shot would of gone into row Z, and his cross for the goal would have gone out for a throw.

Sure, Walcott lacks consistency but when he's at his best he's a far better player than Milner at his best. 


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:44:55
Bollocks Jonny,like most you are happy to jump on the anti bandwagon.People like you thrive on us losing or just point out the negative.For everything bad you pointed out you choose to ignore that Bar the goals Hart had fuckall saves to make,we scored 3 good goals from open play,the keeper has made 3 superb saves.

this. THIS THIS THIS THIS. Not so much against Johnny, but english 'fans' in general.

Also, feel free to shoot this down, but tonight was the first time I have ever seen the entire England XI sing the national anthem. I know it means nothing (the spanish don't sing and they're really good soapy tit wank), but i found it refreshingly good to see


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:46:50
I usually find international football quite dull but Euro 2012 has been great for the most part. Not really fussed about the England team but find myself supporting them this time round out of a sense of sympathy for Hodgson and the response to his appointment.

The England team are very average and the usual problem of high expectations doesn't seem to have reared it's head...yet.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 00:48:38
And I've never seen a player so disinterested as Ibrahimovic. Strolls around waiting for the ball, never passes and has a go at his teammates yet is still untouchable.

Good player though.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: tans on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 03:32:12
I reckon with a bit of luck we will get to the Semis.

I can feel it in my water


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 06:46:25
Am I the only who has become completely detatched from the national side?

I watched the game but didn't feel a thing, didn't care we went behind or that we came back to win 3-2. I can honestly say I couldn't give a flying fuck with England. I just hope I can reserect my passion for the team like I had 8-10 years ago.

Nope, Euro 2004 killed me off.

I got to the stage where I actually enjoyed England cocking it up and seeing the hysteria over facebook, in the pubs and in the papers and the like.

Now with Hodgson in charge and with him being doubted by most (who wanted Redknapp - who incidentally isnt as good a manager as Hodgson anyway)  I at least wanted Hodgson to do well.

England did well against France, like Germany lite or something. Good attacking play against Sweden but some terrible defending and Sweden were nothing more than average.

I found the celebratory facebook status' cringey though....


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Dirk Diggler on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 07:45:29
Also, feel free to shoot this down, but tonight was the first time I have ever seen the entire England XI sing the national anthem. I know it means nothing (the spanish don't sing and they're really good soapy tit wank), but i found it refreshingly good to see
I think that you will find that the reason that the spanish players do not sing is because there are no words to their anthem. Their supporters just la,la,la to the tune.

Take your point re the anthem and good to see however, rather than a new found sense of patriotism I would suggest that Roy has told them all that they must sing.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 07:57:43
Agree dirk and that sort of backs up my point that he cares.We won't win it of course but if we at least go out trying then he will win a few over.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 09:25:44
Funny, the Gerrard hate. I thought he actually was our most creative player.

Johnson annoys me. I want to hate him, but some of his recoveries are class (the last ditch tackle on Elm).

Carroll's header was great. Probably haven't seen England score a goal like that since Shearer was in the team.

Anyone else see Ibrahimovic give Joe Hart the big one after Sweden's second? I hope one of the England players did the same to him at the final whistle, the egotistical prick. Perhaps if he tried passing once in a while instead of trying to go it alone, he might've created a few decent chances.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 09:26:24
jonny for England manager, he knows better than Woy


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 09:32:26
Good points raised. This might sound stupid, but maybe my falling out of love with the England team stems from the realisation that we're not as good as the media make us out to be. I think you're right about Neville tying to instill passion back into the setup and I think if he and Hodgson can do that, then maybe we as fans will connect better with the team.

I remember Euro 96 and how the whole country was behind the team and I think we need something like that to be able to recreate that togetherness.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 09:35:50
Funny, the Gerrard hate. I thought he actually was our most creative player.

Johnson annoys me. I want to hate him, but some of his recoveries are class (the last ditch tackle on Elm).

Carroll's header was great. Probably haven't seen England score a goal like that since Shearer was in the team.

Anyone else see Ibrahimovic give Joe Hart the big one after Sweden's second? I hope one of the England players did the same to him at the final whistle, the egotistical prick. Perhaps if he tried passing once in a while instead of trying to go it alone, he might've created a few decent chances.

He nicked Hart's water in the goal as well when it was 2-2

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IBRAHIMOVIC.gif


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 09:43:49
I really enjoyed the game, can't remember ever shouting at the tv so loud when England scored! Milner is better all round than walcott , gerrard played very well i thought (what a fucking cross!!), nice to see a bit of fight in the team for once!!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 09:48:00
Funny, the Gerrard hate. I thought he actually was our most creative player.

Gerrard's a funny one. I think he's massively over-rated, but he's been Englands best player in the past two games, and the last two tournaments as well. He's crucial to any success we have this year.

But I'd still rather have had Lampard there


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Family at War on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 09:49:18
To be fair to Ibrahimovic think if you replay it you will see that Hart pushed him first in the goalmouth. On the Milner/Walcott issue I don't see how people can compare them, they are two different players for two different styles of play which Roy changed. Milner is stronger and slightly more defensive and asked to do a different role. Anyway just nice to watch and enjoy and England game for once!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 09:50:51
I very much enjoyed the game real end to end stuff, we didn't play as well as a team as we did against France but we won the game against a bogey side.

Roy has them well prepared and they knew how to play against Sweden but had a couple fo poor defensive lapses which could have easily cost s the game.

I thought Young and Johnson were poor, Milner is a much better team player than Walcott but Walcott to his credit came on and started running at them and they looked unable to handle his style.

Great goal by Carroll and Welbeck has impressed me so much in the last few games, he is one for the future of England.

I lost interest in England back in the early 80's when we got let down by them so much at big tournaments, so much so I hated the 86 World Cup and didn't watch one game......but I now enjoy it and although we won't win the cup we will have a good go at it and are much better organised than and England team have been recently even though the stand out players aren't in evidence so much as they have been in the past.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 10:19:05
Was a typical England game really. Exciting with plenty of scary moments. Overall a pretty good show with room for improvement.
My main gripe is that the wide players have not been crossing the ball enough and give the ball away too much. It took Gerrard to show how to cross it and the header was superbly dispatched by Carroll. There is nothing wrong with trying to win the English way and we don't have to try to emulate the Spanish to win games. Gerrard is having a great tournament so far and i think the other player who deserves similar credit is Johnson who too has had 2 decent matches. Not convinced Wellbeck meant that goal but who cares?

Walcot should start in place of Milner next game but he could have a mare as he is inconsistant,equally this could be his tournament. Who knows unless he plays?
I'd give Young the benefit of the doubt and start him but will have Chamberlain ready and waiting to come on if he doesn't do the business on monday.

I think Woy will drop Carroll but i would drop Wellbeck myself, play Rooney in behind the big man and hope to get crosses in the box as much as possible.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 10:20:32
One thing that had me going nuts was the backpass out of defence. WTF was that all about?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: matt_jada on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:00:14
Good result, very average performance.

Players i thought did well was Gerrard, Welbeck, Walcott and Carroll, as for the rest, they were way below standard.
Our defence was a fucking joke for the first 20 mins in the second half. It's been drummed into me that England under Roy will be very well organised
even if the quality may not be there, Hmm :hmmm:

There were some positives however, like i mentioned the players above, and the way we fought back and won the game was impressive, and showed spirit.
Im not worried for the future because we have some very good young players coming through, Wiltshire, Barkley etc.
Hopefully like someone posted before with Neville and Hodgson guidance there drum in the importance and pride of wearing an England shirt.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:37:01
I enjoyed the game, it was entertaining. Carroll put in a real 'Drogba' shift, chasing down everything, scored an exceptional header, and made some invaluable clearances in our own box. We have a few weak links, sure... but they all seemed to be putting the effort in. If Glen Johnson was half decent defensively (his saving tackles are often because of his own balls-ups) we'd look a bit more solid, but I'm fairly happy so far.

As long as they put a shift in and look interested, I'm please with what Roy has achieved.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:41:54
I think Woy will drop Carroll but i would drop Wellbeck myself, play Rooney in behind the big man and hope to get crosses in the box as much as possible.

Woy has a big call to make here....why should Rooney walk back into the starting XI, he's been shit for England for years, disgracefully got himself sent off again and suspended. I wouldn't have taken him, but he should start on the bench.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: adje on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 13:07:22
Woy has a big call to make here....why should Rooney walk back into the starting XI, he's been shit for England for years, disgracefully got himself sent off again and suspended. I wouldn't have taken him, but he should start on the bench.

Totally agree with that


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 13:14:06
Woy has a big call to make here....why should Rooney walk back into the starting XI, he's been shit for England for years, disgracefully got himself sent off again and suspended. I wouldn't have taken him, but he should start on the bench.

Can't argue much with that but i wouldn't say he's been any shitter than any of the others. He is a top player though and if he is right(like the others seem to be) then he would be a massive plus in the side. I'd play him for the tactical reasons i mentioned previously.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 13:29:10
Woy has a big call to make here....why should Rooney walk back into the starting XI.
Because he is our best player by far.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: adje on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 14:19:09
Because he is our best player by far.

On which England performance do you base that?-6 years ago?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 14:29:24
Whilst i don't think Rooney is the world class player that many think he is it's plain crazy to suggest he should be left on the bench on Tuesday.

He quite simply a better player than the others strikers in the squad.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 14:55:28
Whilst i don't think Rooney is the world class player that many think he is it's plain crazy to suggest he should be left on the bench on Tuesday.

He quite simply a better player than the others strikers in the squad.

Jimmy Greaves was a better player than Geoff Hurst, but Greaves lost his place to injury, Hurst came in and did a job and Jimmy had to sit it out when he became available for the latter stages. Rooney has done nothing to merit preferential treatment.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 15:04:43
35 goals in 44 games last season should and will justify meriting preferential treatment.

Play the best 11 players, now isn't the time for any other logic.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 15:06:25
Play all 3 in a 4 3 3. What's the worst that could happen?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 15:47:57
Rooney was in the squad to play in this game (and hopefully beyond).
There was no way that Hodgson would leave him out.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 16:21:23
We haven't done too bad without the messiah, have we? Fuck him, put him on the bench. Carroll and Wellbeck deserve to start. Maybe that way Rooney will learn not to be a petulant selfish cunt


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 16:47:47
Would give Rooney a free role behind Wellbeck and Carroll.....leaving Milner on the bench.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 16:56:47
Rooney will start just depends who partners him, i would have Carroll personally. Apart from that id leave the team as it was against Sweden and bring walcott/ox on when the Ukrainian get tired around the 65/70 minute mark


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 16:59:07
Young was much worse than milner yesterday,he should be replaced.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 17:00:49
Young was much worse than milner yesterday,he should be replaced.

Close call but i think he will drop Carroll.....and play the same system like played v France.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 20:49:28
Come on Poland/Czech Republic get a goal and knock the Russians out!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 21:41:05
Well well, the Russians are out.  Bit of a shock there.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 21:56:26
Did not expect Russia to get knocked out especially after their first game! I bet Group B and the likes of Germany and Portugal are licking their lips in prospect of facing the Czechs and Greeks


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 22:01:32
I lost interest in England back in the early 80's when we got let down by them so much at big tournaments, so much so I hated the 86 World Cup and didn't watch one game......but I now enjoy it and although we won't win the cup we will have a good go at it and are much better organised than and England team have been recently even though the stand out players aren't in evidence so much as they have been in the past.

Interesting biography there. So in essence you gave up on England because of them letting you down in the 1980 & 82 tournaments, which weren't really massive failures, Eng went out in 80 due to their defeat to the hosts and were no disgraces in 82 either, weird format..  All this only 14/16 years after winning the WC, that's like giving up today if England had won Euro 96 or WC 98. Unbelievable.

And what a World Cup (86) to boycott, fantastic tournament, probably the best one I can recall, a bit of me thinks you deserved to not see it for being such a fair weather supporter though, you big jessie.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: adje on Saturday, June 16, 2012, 22:05:07
Young was much worse than milner yesterday,he should be replaced.

totally agree with that


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: donkey on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 08:23:59
Well well, the Russians are out.  Bit of a shock there.

The Russians going out as the Czechs win.  Unexpected icing on a surprise cake.  Do toho!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 09:15:31
Interesting biography there. So in essence you gave up on England because of them letting you down in the 1980 & 82 tournaments, which weren't really massive failures, Eng went out in 80 due to their defeat to the hosts and were no disgraces in 82 either, weird format..  All this only 14/16 years after winning the WC, that's like giving up today if England had won Euro 96 or WC 98. Unbelievable.

And what a World Cup (86) to boycott, fantastic tournament, probably the best one I can recall, a bit of me thinks you deserved to not see it for being such a fair weather supporter though, you big jessie.
I spent thousands following England back in 82,83,84 and 85 I was in Spain when we fucked up in the 2nd round in 82, which was a failure, I went with them all accross europe with England and we were poor, we failed to qualify for the Euros in 84 which was a failure.

We appointed Bobby Robson as manager who picked some of the worst England players on record. I was at Wembley when we played USSR in 84 when England put out one of the poorest performances ever against anyone when we lost 2-0 at home to a poor USSR side and we played players such as Duxbury, Roberts, Fenwick, Chamberlain, Hateley and Hunt.

We were awful back then, one of the worst England teams ever.

I was fed up with spending money following a team of non triers so I drifted away from England, and working in London at the time I was too busy to go and watch them as well.

I didn't miss Mexico one bit and enjoyed the rest from International football.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 09:15:52
double post.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 09:54:46
Only ever spent money to go to watch England once. Spent a fortune on a package of tickets for USA World Cup 94, only for England to bugger it up and not qualify. (The only saving grace being that I got to see Norway whilst wearing my STFC shirt)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 09:59:48
I've seen England twice.

Once, God know how long ago this is, Wales away at Ninian Park and Francis Lee scored.

That was a bit tasty.

The other Northern Ireland at Wembley - so memorable I have no idea what the score was.

My ambition is to see England play the W. Indies in Barbados


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 12:35:03
UEFA investigating England fans for an attempted pitch invasion.

I can't help but think if they really wanted to invade the pitch, it would have happened.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 12:44:57
UEFA investigating England fans for an attempted pitch invasion.

I can't help but think if they really wanted to invade the pitch, it would have happened.
mmm sounds like a pathetic feeble excuse to blame England fans for some trouble which has in the main been caused entirely by the host nations fans and Russia so far.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 12:46:31
The story here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18476818


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 13:05:51
Fuck you EUFA

You can fine us every match and we'll still win the......

No wait, that doesn't work does it?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 13:10:45
Fuck you EUFA

You can fine us every match and we'll still win the......

No wait, that doesn't work does it?
Too Italian :D


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 20:13:38
How the bloody hell are the groups decided when level on points, head to head right. But as of now in group B there are 3 teams on 3 points with a -1 GD. And the group was Portugal, Denmark Holland.

Head to head:

Holland 0 Denmark 1
Denmark 2 Portugal 3
Portugal 0 Holland 1

So is it just a mini group on goals scored or what.

And as I type Denmark level against ze Germans making the whole question pointless. But as I type that Portugal equalise through the ladyboy.



Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 20:14:45
The dutch defence is shocking. That goal's been coming


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 20:17:54
I spent thousands following England back in 82,83,84 and 85 I was in Spain when we fucked up in the 2nd round in 82, which was a failure, I went with them all accross europe with England and we were poor, we failed to qualify for the Euros in 84 which was a failure.

We appointed Bobby Robson as manager who picked some of the worst England players on record. I was at Wembley when we played USSR in 84 when England put out one of the poorest performances ever against anyone when we lost 2-0 at home to a poor USSR side and we played players such as Duxbury, Roberts, Fenwick, Chamberlain, Hateley and Hunt.

We were awful back then, one of the worst England teams ever.

I was fed up with spending money following a team of non triers so I drifted away from England, and working in London at the time I was too busy to go and watch them as well.

I didn't miss Mexico one bit and enjoyed the rest from International football.

You must have been a hard man to please back then, especially as now you're happy to watch the shite that Swindon have served up for the last x number of years.

86 qualification results included Turkey 0 England 8, England 5 Turkey 0, Northern Ireland 0 England 1. Very efficient qualifying. We all know what happened in the tournament itself. England started poorly but got better as the tournament progressed.

84' qualification was blown by losing to the 'dazzling Danes' one of the best European sides in modern times. Hardly a reason to give up on your country. But then again that seems to be a British trait, never giving the opposition credit for being better, just that your mob, whether it's England, Scotland or Wales, aren't trying or good enough. Most countries on the planet would have struggled to top a group containing the Danes back then.

Also was the USSR match even a competitive one? Just looked it up on Google, looks like it was a end of season friendly.

Your choice, but come on, a bit of you must be gutted you didn't go to Mexico, would have been an adventure of a lifetime. I wish I'd gone to more tournaments when I had nothing to stop me, like a wife and not qualifying. ;-)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 20:27:11
How much have you spent watching Scotland?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 20:31:27
How the bloody hell are the groups decided when level on points, head to head right. But as of now in group B there are 3 teams on 3 points with a -1 GD. And the group was Portugal, Denmark Holland.

Head to head:

Holland 0 Denmark 1
Denmark 2 Portugal 3
Portugal 0 Holland 1

So is it just a mini group on goals scored or what.

And as I type Denmark level against ze Germans making the whole question pointless. But as I type that Portugal equalise through the ladyboy.


It just reverts to GD, like it should do anyway as just about all the leagues in the world, when two or more teams are on the same number of points, it is decided by goal difference...except in Spain.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 20:57:09
It should be GD, that way it makes all the games relevant.
Take tomorrow night, if Croatia & Spain draw 2-2 it wouldn't matter if Italy win 10-0 they will still be out under this mildly stupid system even though all the teams will be level on points.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: donkey on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 20:59:54
It should be GD, that way it makes all the games relevant.
Take tomorrow night, if Croatia & Spain draw 2-2 it wouldn't matter if Italy win 10-0 they will still be out under this mildly stupid system even though all the teams will be level on points.

Like that'd ever happen to Italy.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 21:16:38
Nice goal. Holland are the biggest disapointment of the tournament


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 21:19:01
Nice goal. Holland are the biggest disapointment of the tournament

The Dutch are falling out with each other....again.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 21:21:10
Chances of a denmark winner?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 21:21:45
Haha zero


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 21:23:07
Chances of a denmark winner?

They should've had a pen with the German defender trying to swap shirts with Bendtner during the game...but Bender has just put the Germans ahead.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 21:39:31
How much have you spent watching Scotland?

Not sure what that's got to do with it, but I'd say, not that much all in all a couple of grand I'd say.

I'm just interested in hearing the reasons on giving up on your country's team. To go from following your country, to effectively boycotting a tournament seems a little ott to me anyway.

Remember watching the Paraguay/England match in '86 whilst on holiday in Tunisia, cracking game that was. As for the Argie match, a sporting JFK moment if ever there was one.

As I've said before I love international football, which is probably the reason why I picked up on JJ's post.  I find it a bit sad when club football is treated as more important, such a shame the game's gone that way. Each to their own though I suppose.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 21:39:51
Total football? Total shite from the Dutch!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 21:42:02
Total football? Total shite from the Dutch!

Appreciate final appearances in 74, 78 and 88, but the dutch have to be one of the most over rated sides in the world. Pretty much always flatter to deceive and against the German's they seem to have a massive inferiority complex.

Glad they're out.

Edit 0 forgot to mention their disgraceful performance in 2010 WC final too. Another reason to shed no tears on this year's demise.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 22:00:12
Agree with what you say Jan about supporting your country etc.What i hate more is the pride that some people show in telling people how shit england are.On here,facebook etc you know some people are gagging to just slate them at every opportunity.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, June 17, 2012, 22:14:23
I text a mate during the game to say "don't worry Lars Bender will save us" 5 mins later he did
Should have run down the bookies !


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bennett on Monday, June 18, 2012, 21:37:38
the ref in the italy/ireland was shocking, truly awful


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 18, 2012, 21:38:19
the ref in the italy/ireland was shocking, truly awful

Piss poor. Whistle, whistle, whistle.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: bennett on Monday, June 18, 2012, 21:41:40
i liked keith andrews reaction to getting sent off. he should have punted it at the ref's head


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, June 18, 2012, 21:50:27
I see Bendtner has been fined 100,000 Euros and banned for a game for showing advertising which was on his pants, yet when racist behaviour happend, sides get fined £20k.

Shows where UEFA's priorities lie.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Monday, June 18, 2012, 21:51:04
mick mccarthy, what a wanker


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Paolo69 on Monday, June 18, 2012, 21:51:18
Agree with what you say Jan about supporting your country etc.What i hate more is the pride that some people show in telling people how shit england are.On here,facebook etc you know some people are gagging to just slate them at every opportunity.

Couldn't agree more. If you don't care then why don't you just shut the fuck up!

Think it might have been this sort of thing that was pissing me off the other day after the France game. Led me to have a cheap dig at you and Scotland Jan. Apologies mate.

I'm better than that. Well, at least I like to think I am.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Monday, June 18, 2012, 22:01:20
Agree with what you say Jan about supporting your country etc.What i hate more is the pride that some people show in telling people how shit england are.On here,facebook etc you know some people are gagging to just slate them at every opportunity.

Don't disagree with that DRS, thing is I kind of understand non-englanders doing it on the wind up, but I don't understand it at all when English 'supporters' do it.  What's become very irritating in recent years is the 'I don't give a fuck about England' brigade, who suddenly become England's number one fan, then revert back to not giving a shit when they lose. Twitter on Friday night was a prime example of this. England losing - loads of stick from the masses, England winning - 'best night of my life' tweets. It's like people have lost the art of perspective these days.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: janaage on Monday, June 18, 2012, 22:03:31
Couldn't agree more. If you don't care then why don't you just shut the fuck up!

Think it might have been this sort of thing that was pissing me off the other day after the France game. Led me to have a cheap dig at you and Scotland Jan. Apologies mate.

I'm better than that. Well, at least I like to think I am.

No bother Paolo. I bite too much on here, everyone knows it (I think). It can be frustrating when people just think you're having a go all the time, when in truth I'm just trying to be neutral really.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, June 18, 2012, 22:11:36
Decent game between Spain and Croatia tonight. Spain weren't on form at all - lots of possession but almost got caught out a few times and only scored when Croatia started throwing men forward. Had one of the Croatians done better with a free header in the second half, Spain could well have been heading to the airport.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Monday, June 18, 2012, 22:14:15
Watched the Irish game. Best performance out of the 3 but they were still pretty shite i thought.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Monday, June 18, 2012, 23:01:06
Was hoping Croatia kicked the shit out of Spain - softening them up for us Saturday.

We'll have to knock a few in tomorrow and top the group.

Bring on the eyeties - looking forward to the Ukraine game and Mr Rooney.

Hope it dont all go tits up


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 09:40:15
I hope we get Spain, and then beat them.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 09:47:39
Spain are boring as sin (even worse than our team) - but they will probably win the damn thing again


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 10:14:28
Don't disagree with that DRS, thing is I kind of understand non-englanders doing it on the wind up, but I don't understand it at all when English 'supporters' do it.  What's become very irritating in recent years is the 'I don't give a fuck about England' brigade, who suddenly become England's number one fan

I'm a bit like this. Didn't really give a shit. But the appointment of Hodgson, the low expectation and   a major tournament has rekindled my interest a bit. Took me by surprise that did.

That said,  if we go out tonight I'd be mildly disappointed. I remember how gutted I was when we lost to Brazil in 2002 - what happened in those 10 years?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 10:15:02
Yet you get all the so-called pundits creaming their jeans over Spain - as if it's a sin to criticise them for actually producing mediocre games.

Give me Sweden v England any time - with all the dreadful ball control and U-11s defending.

Lovely stuff


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 10:17:41
Give me Sweden v England any time - with all the dreadful ball control and U-11s defending.

Lovely stuff

Exactly Blood, guts and commitment or in this case error prone games can be as entertaining as tappy tappy fanny football.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 10:27:49
But is this view an entirely English one?

Is it us that are out of kilter?

But I knows what I likes and that's that


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 10:36:10
i liked keith andrews reaction to getting sent off. he should have punted it at the ref's head

When Keith Andrews has consistently been your best player over the 3 games, you know its been a bad tournament!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 12:07:02
I find Spain incredibly dull when they aren't at their best. 75 passes across the back 4 and the wingers isn't pretty to watch, you want direct, end-to-end stuff and goal mouth action.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 12:18:21
Well, Croatia had the chance to knock them out last night and blew it.

So I suppose it's down to us now!!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 13:08:07
I find Spain incredibly dull when they aren't at their best. 75 passes across the back 4 and the wingers isn't pretty to watch, you want direct, end-to-end stuff and goal mouth action.

Indeed, I don't care how good the passing is, when 75% is across the back 4, sideways or backwards it's shit.

The Italy game was only good because the team renowned for being negative were looking positively open in contrast to Spain's 6 man midfield.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: london_red on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 13:32:00
Agree to an extent re: the entertainment value of Spain yesterday. However the pass from Fabregas and touch from Iniesta for their goal was pretty tidy.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 13:37:08
But half a dozen moments of top quality in 90 minutes can never compare to 90 minutes of cut and thrust with all the errors thrown in.

Fans dont want perfection they want excitement


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 13:48:05
Spains boring football has won them the Euro's and the World cup, would we moan if we played boring football and it won us a cup or the league?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 13:51:18
Of course not. But as we were/are neutral observers when it comes to Spain, I'd rather drink my own bathwater


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 14:38:50
To counter that more teams have won being fairly negative.Teams are starting to suss out spain/barca imo


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: A Gent Orange on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:18:15
Just as devil's advocate - why do Spain have to entertain you? This system works for them - one World Cup, one Euros - so why worry if you find them boring?

Surely the complaint is with the people who copy Spain/Barca? Who say that this is the only way or the good way to play? It is a defensive system designed to win games and it works - they aren't trying to be pleasing. Isn't one of the great things about football the variety of ways to play, of styles, of players?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:30:08
Spain are no great shakes....bit of a myth these last few years to be honest.

When they have as many Stars as Brazil or Germany then maybe people like myself will see them as one of the greats....untill then i remain optimistic that we have as good as chance as them .


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:30:54
Just as devil's advocate - why do Spain have to entertain you? This system works for them - one World Cup, one Euros - so why worry if you find them boring?

Surely the complaint is with the people who copy Spain/Barca? Who say that this is the only way or the good way to play? It is a defensive system designed to win games and it works - they aren't trying to be pleasing. Isn't one of the great things about football the variety of ways to play, of styles, of players?

For me personally, Spain don't have to entertain, but if the commentators insist on wanking off about how amazing they are, then I feel I have to voice my opposition when, in my opinion, they're boring.

I also don't recall them being boring during their Euro and WC wins, they've just become that way.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:31:30
Spain are no great shakes....bit of a myth these last few years to be honest.

When they have as many Stars as Brazil or Germany then maybe people like myself will see them as one of the greats....untill then i remain optimistic that we have as good as chance as them .

Wow.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:36:59
Strangely i agree with leefer.For a team that many insist are sö good they nearly royally fucked up from a pretty shit group


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:41:12
It was the bit about the lack of stars I struggled to comprehend. They've got the best goalkeeper in the world, and two of the best midfielders to have ever played the game.

I don't think they'll win it - I think they only have a plan A which has been largely sussed out by the better teams, and a lot of their players will be burnt out. But to completely dismiss what a good side they were just smacks of ill informed nonsense


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:42:12
Spain's "system" has grown to look more boring as opposing teams just sit in and try and nullify them. Yes, playing the ball amongst the back 4 isn't entertaining, but when they get the ball in the final third their passing and movement is great to watch.

Italy proved that you don't just have to sit in and defend for your lives though. Press high, get at them and make them feel uncomfortable. Although if/when we face them, no doubt it'll be a 10 men behind the ball job.

As much as I like Spain's play, I think for overall footballing ability you can't get much better than the Germans at the moment.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:50:33
It was the bit about the lack of stars I struggled to comprehend. They've got the best goalkeeper in the world, and two of the best midfielders to have ever played the game.

I don't think they'll win it - I think they only have a plan A which has been largely sussed out by the better teams, and a lot of their players will be burnt out. But to completely dismiss what a good side they were just smacks of ill informed nonsense

Stars above the badge, as in World Cup wins.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 16:59:41
Oh. Still fail to see how that has any impact on how you judge a countries ability. By that reckoning Uruguay are twice as good as france, england and spain, infinitely better than the netherlands and portugla, and as good as Argentina.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: london_red on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 17:10:27
Oh. Still fail to see how that has any impact on how you judge a countries ability. By that reckoning Uruguay are twice as good as france, england and spain, infinitely better than the netherlands and portugla, and as good as Argentina.

Totally agree. How does Spain's team in the 30's/40's/50's etc affect the quality of this particular side?

If they win the Euros they will have won 3 straight major international tournaments, something that's never been done before. Pretty impressive in my book.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 17:21:03
If they do then fair play.For me personally though what i am saying at this moment they are not playing as great as people are making out


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 17:23:58
Strangely i agree with leefer.For a team that many insist are sö good they nearly royally fucked up from a pretty shit group

And that is just the Stunners :D


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 22:10:45
Spain can be beaten and are not perfect. You just have to get the ball from them first which aint easy. That's why their style of play is so good as they retain the ball so well.

You don't hold the World cup and Euro's if you aint a great side. It's no fluke


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 20:40:44
Spain are rubbing it right in their critics faces tonight. Pass and move at its best


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 20:52:49
Probably the most exciting they've been all tournament. Jordi Alba's goal was fucking excellent.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 21:40:10
Wow what a way to win it, 4-0. Best international team ever?


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 21:44:08
So selfless in their play. The word 'Team' fits them perfectly


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: walcot red on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 21:44:21
Wow what a way to win it, 4-0. Best international team ever?

Absolutely, I was impressed with Spain tonight, was good to see them actually attack tonight.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 21:49:19
Well played Spain, well played.

Shame for the neutral it was so one sided though!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: DRS on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 21:49:19
Chuffed for Torres


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: slinky on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 21:53:20
The best team won tonight easily which was a shame for the neutrals.  England have a lot of catching up to do.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nochee on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 22:47:03
The best team won tonight easily which was a shame for the neutrals.  England have a lot of catching up to do.

That is one hell of an understatement!


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, July 1, 2012, 22:55:05
I managed to watch every single game.  :)


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: nochee on Monday, July 2, 2012, 00:08:39
Spain 4 - Italy 0.Nothing to do with football. It's the number of jobs available in each country.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: wiggy on Monday, July 2, 2012, 11:52:11
Wow what a way to win it, 4-0. Best international team ever?

Certainly the best I have seen.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 2, 2012, 18:46:10
Wow what a way to win it, 4-0. Best international team ever?

The bollocks being spouted by the BBC pundits last night, was embarrassing in the extreme. Certainly Spain saved theri best til last, which is a good trait, to get you through a taxing campaign, but v Portugal in the semi, they were pretty dire, and rode their luck, something that most tournament winning sides have to do, at some stage no matter how good.

Spain are a fine side, which is hardly surprising, being based as they are on Guardiola's Barca, who have re-written the book i the last 4 years....but they haven't got Messi, which means they are a bit less expansive, but similarly hard to beat.

They certainly the best around at the moment...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Monday, July 2, 2012, 22:23:31
I managed to watch every single game.  :)
?
Presumably not live, as the final group games in each group are concurrent?

Spain were superb last night.  It was beautiful to watch how comfortable they are on the ball and passing it in tight situations.  Oh how I wish...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: PlymRed on Monday, July 2, 2012, 22:33:27
Overall i thought it was a very good tournament with a lot of enjoyable matches! Shame to see so many empty seats at the majority of games though


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, July 2, 2012, 23:09:54
Spain certainly deserved to win last night and put on an impressive show. Can't help wondering how different people's assessments of Spain would have been had Croatia taken one of their chances in the QF though...


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Baggins on Monday, July 2, 2012, 23:14:32
I really enjoyed the tournament overall.  Most of the matches were entertaining, it wasn't bloated like the world cup (and what a shame that they are increasing it to 24 teams, it could ruin the European Championships ), there were very few sendings off (3 I think) and a general atmosphere of fair play and open football.  For me it was the best tournament since Euro 2000.


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, July 2, 2012, 23:19:57
all i can remember from 2000 is phil neville's foul


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, July 2, 2012, 23:23:34
I thought it was a good tournament, but not as good as 2008. That tournament was possibly the best ever in my onion. Spains rise to prominence, Holland and Russia's boom and bust approach, Turkeys mental run.

And no England to spoil any of it


Title: Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
Post by: Coca Fola on Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 01:32:09
A really good tournament, but as Bogus Dave says not as good as Euro 2008.