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Oh dear

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2144433/Paolo-di-Canio-race-storm-sparks-FA-investigation.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Could do without this

uh-oh....

Can only hope this is not true.

IF it is, and I stress IF, then he has no defence.

Nope. Can't defend it IF true. Certainly don't want our fans to take the same approach as the Scousers.

Let's just hope it's a mountain out of a molehill.

Oh FFS, there's always something isn't there! I hope that this is bollocks.

(anyone else get the feeling that the players that heard the incident were Lanzano, Kerrouche and Cox?   :doh: )

If it's true, then he's a complete and utter cock.

But let's not forget this is the Daily Mail.

If he had had a successful loan spell I doubt he'd be making these allegations. I'm on Paolo's side (I expect to be shot down), what he's done for this club is magnificent.

It an allegation that the FA are looking into right now, but no more than that yet.

Wonder who the mole(s) are ? It sounds like tehouhe was not present and was told by one of the other players. On a plus note can't see any other teams coming in for him whilst this is under investigation, but IF he does get found guilty the board would be in a very difficult predicament and may be forced into a corner lets just hope it is a storm in a tea cup and an unhappy player trying to stir the shit

Not on Sky Sports or BBC from what I can see...

Not sure the Mail will be the most reliable news feed, possibly any of the above, plus Easyjet

Perhaps this was the thing that PDC referred to in a post match interview a while back after nearly quitting '45 days ago'

If true I can see him quiting.

If it is true, and other players have heard it, I would have thought Foderingham would have also taken offence?

Maybe it was a French related comment?

Brace yourself folks!

Interesting to see what the club says.

Riiight so no alterior motive there then from Tehoue...

fair enough then!

 ;)

What I don't like is this:



But again, let's not forget this is the Daily Mail

When did Boateng return to Arsenal out of interest? That was all done rather quietly so maybe he could have been the mole?

Like said has to be the likes of Kerrouche and Easy Jet.

There's someone called D I CANIO online now. Spooky.

Pretty sure he went back way before Tehoue even arrived.

Bollocks, Thought things were going too well.

No it doesn't. Could be any of them. Or none.

Im not saying it was them, Im not saying it was any of them, I was saying they are the obvious suspects.

Reading back what I said I did sound like I knew everything.

Conspiracy theorists abound!

Does seem to be a bit of a panic about this.

Looking at the facts, PDC was joking about his new contract tonight at the LMA during his acceptance speech, with Jeremy Wray present. Nick Watkins has said it is being dealt with, which means the club have been aware of this for a while, how long is anyone's guess. None of this would suggest the end of the PDC era at this moment in time, and we are still the champions.

The release of this story has coincided with Paolo winning LMA manager of the year and joking about a new contract. I can't help but feel that this was timed.

The press love to have a pop, given his 'link' with fascism they will take any ammo they can as it sells papers. Even unproven allegations.

Neil Ashton the person who wrote the article does look like he likes to make some gossip up. Looking at his previous articles there is a lot of nonsense on their, such as Qatari's involved in Chelsea and Joe Cole moving to PSG.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Neil+Ashton+

He does seem to have a lot of links to clubs he may just be adding 2 + 2 together and trying to make a story up.

Or maybe he really does know his stuff and it's true? we don't really know until the club or the FA speak.

Lets look at the positives. If true it will blight his fledgling career as a manager and deter other bigger clubs from taking a punt on him.

We need to remember that the bloke is a bit of a fruitcake. But, he's a loveable fruitcake, a passionate fruitcake and a fruitcake that has swelled the coffers at STFC through bringing media interest and success on the pitch to an unfashionable and struggling club.

(If true) I can't see how he's going to come out of this one smelling of roses. It's a bit different to arm-flailing and running onto the pitch.

No point fretting.

As it stands, it's the Daily Mail's word and nothing else. That's only enough for Oxford fans to get excited.

Listen to the lyrics. Very apt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7g2d9mOPuw

If it's something stupid like 'Frog' referring to his nationality, do you think he'll be in trouble then?

Nope.

It's absolutely true because I read it in the daily mail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

We are Paolo's R... White & White army!

This is exactly the type of shit we are going to have to get used to the more successful we are with PDC as our manager.

I'm not going to condone any form of racism, obviously, but my guess is that IF anything slightly dodgy was said by PDC, it will probably be something that translated badly across different cultures.

If we're being honest, we all know racist comments are made all the time - across all cultures and skin colours via quiet conversations, txt messages, emails etc.

In my line of work I'm on the recieving end of racist abuse almost every day of my life. It is part of the industry I work in but I dont give a fuck as it's just ignorant words uttered mostly by illiterate cunts and wankers.

Equally, I totally respect that other people are offended by racist comments. It shouldnt happen, but paperwork, documents and government legislation wont stop people in any culture saying what they think.

I dont like the sound of players being prepared to act as witnesses against PDC. Granted we dont know the extent of what may or may not have been said, but that smacks of bitter players knowing they are on their way out anyway with fuck all to lose.

Joining up the dots, it seems like PDC was prepared to resign over this, but Watkins and Wray have looked into it and have taken his side and are backing him. I dont think either of them would risk backing him if they knew that a feisty cat might escape out of the racist bag anytime soon, so most of this is probably bollocks anyway.

Best post all day.

My guess is Paolo said something jokingly that he didn't think was racist but it translated badly as said above.

A few players have an axe to grind and jumped on this opportunity.

Do you mean as in the supposed 'players that witnessed the incident and willing to testify'?

Yes.

Bad times if true.

I particularly like the way they cant spell his name right.

its probably that donkey Tehoue trying to stir it up - afterall PdC hardly gave him a glowing reference regarding his effort

we will see I guess

Think it's a load of bollocks myself. Do you honestly think that those players would celebrate the way they did after the Vale game if the 'allegation' was true? I don't think they would have.

We'll soon find out if it's nonsense. It was in The Daily Mail though.

Or after the Bradford game

For those of you who are worrying about a divided dressing room - don't... this comes down to a couple of disgruntled players taking a dig in revenge - you only have to look at the results from losing at Oxford onwards to see that the team kicked on pin the same way they kicked on when the Leon Clarke incident happened.

My guess, and it is only a guess because I wasn't here, is that this is a fringe player who heard the comment and shit stirred it back to Tehue - can't imagine it was anymore than 'he's a frog that can't jump' type comment rather than a slur on skin colour and will assume this until such time as I hear otherwise...

Keep calm and carry onto the Championship

I would like to think you are right, and part of me thinks you may be. The timing of it is a bit suspect - immediately after wining the award, and a long time after the actual incident. Why on earth didn't Tehoue report it a lot sooner unless it is sour grapes, and surely our board, usually so professional in these matters wouldn't have ignored something like this?

The fact that an internal investigation, lawyer involvement and enforced breaks are mentioned in the article suggest this happened a while ago.

The paper probably sat on it until an inopportune moment presented itself, like PDC winning the LMA award.

As deltaincline said, possibly the reason why he wanted to quit a while back

When PdC said 45 days after the Gills game that took us back to almost the day that Tehoue signed.
Surely it would be a bit odd if this all blew up before Tehoue had been at the club for 5 minutes - unless the 45 days was wrong this doesn't seem to fit.

My theory also.  Italians are much, much less worried about "political correctness" (as evidenced perfectly by Berlusconi and the length of time he was in power - remember his comments to Obama?) and therefore there are bound to be some cross-cultural issues.  Especially with disgruntled players who are unwilling to bear this in mind.  Hope this is all it amounts to anyway!

Ok, I couldn't be arsed to go back and check all the dates

It's the DAILY MAIL!!!!!!!

'Tis all.

People on twitter have gone into meltdown... we don't actually know the extend of the problem as of yet, the DM and Neil Ashton in particular have previous in creating a storm in a tea cup, the latter was ex NOTW which says everything you need to know.

Lets just wait and see what develops.

I think someone is just shit stirring.
Nothing mentioned about Tehoue being bitter and dogshit is there!!

Going to the Winchester to have a nice cold pint and wait for this all to blow over

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I agree with a fair few of these posts on here, yes its the Daily Mail, yes its a shit stirring reporter with "form" of stirring shit based on rumours.

I think the comment was aimed at his being French and PdC not being eloquent enough with English to get his point accross. This will have stirred up trouble with the other French speaking member of the squad who....coincidentally has also been told he can leave the club after being compaired to a "55 year old girl".

I have a feeling that its not a colour based racist comment, not that it makes things any better, but it all sounds like sour grapes from the player(s) involved and I don't think for 1 minute that he has in any way lost the dressing room, just that he has lost the respect of a few players who he does obviously not rate, so this I feel is their retribution.

I am fairly confident that this has already been dealt with "in house" and has been sorted, but it does drag PdC's name through the gutter once again, but this I am afraid is what we will have to deal with in having him as manager....controversy courting his every move.

Apparently he called him a cheese eating surrender monkey. Totall unnacceptable imo.

Just spoke to someone who said that one player has said he heard it,the other 18 or so including our black players are saying nothing untoward was said.Hope they are right

Knowing the Daily Mail they probably blame PDC for death of Princess Diana

This is fuck all like the Suarez-Terry situations. At worst Di canio has said something racial about someone, not to them personally.
People talk about others in their lines of work all the time. Di canio is entitled to his opinion whatever it is.

He probably said that Tehoue and Kerrouche were lazy Frenchies and both of them have decided to blow it all out of proportion, because its not like the French to make a fuss over stupid little things is it.

Stupid French.

And there is no love loss between the English and the French, Italians and the French, Spanish and the French, Germans and the French, Dutch and the French, Belgians and the French......the list goes on.....

A bit rich an italian calling someone lazy. Maybe he said they were smelly?

Even Luxembourgers hate the French!!

oops I forgot them, and the Luxembourgers hate the French :D

How's that for a slice of fried gold?

This is all surprisingly subdued.

No, that'll be the Daily Express...

Why did Paolo start growing a beard is the real question

Who's that mental woman on twitter that thinks Paolo wanted the Wolves job?

Stale Solbakken is the ultimate decoy.

Looks like the story has now gone viral.  Now been picked up by the Epping Forest Guardian (http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/leytonorient/leytonorient/9706028.T__hou___makes_Di_Canio_racism_claim/).

Sky Sports reporting it now, saying that Tehoue had made an allegation and that the FA were aware of it.  Swindon say it is being dealt with by their lawyers.

Christ, even I think this is clearly a load of horseshit. Welcome to the close season.

The FA confirm it.



BBC Wiltshire Twitter.

If this happened a couple of months ago it seems odd nobody knows what was said, or are we just learning how to keep things in house?

Some of the reaction on Twitter is laughable, probably a good thing that Tehoue don't have Twitter, the fat lazy cunt.

Joke of an Article by a joke of a reporter who has nothing better to do than write articles on hearsay and no fact.

The Daily Mail is nothing more than a trash newspaper which ranks lower than the Sun.

It's not written on hearsay at all.

The article is about an allegation of racism being made, and this much is true.

The questions that need asking is how much has the article exaggerated the details behind the allegation (probably quite a bit), and how much truth there is behind the allegation (hopefully, and I suspect, none).

Ståle, it's Ståle.

Probably most of it. I think there was probably a bit of bad blood between PDC & Tehoue but the rest has been blown way out of proportion.

I despise the Daily Mail & rank them as one of the worst newspapers published in the world

A newspaper blows things out of proportion, who would have thunk it?

Feed it to the ducks then.

Sounds like some sort of pickled fish.

Its a delicious cake when fresh.

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10341~2773306,00.html

And there you have it the Daily Mail shit stirring again.

I would have thought the Daily Mail hated anything PC not PDC ??

The Daily Mail hates everything.

It's worth bringing this to current page because it's ace.

Leaving aside the 'sensational' headline, nothing the Mail reports is untrue is it? Unless you know different.

Following an article in today's Daily Mail, the club feels it is imperative to put the record straight on a number of points.

There is always a danger that without appropriate response, the headline grabbing approach of tabloid journalism, based on innuendo and sensationalism rather than facts, creates a misguided belief along the lines of 'there is no smoke without fire'.

For the record, STFC states categoricallly that it operates a zero tolerance approach towards racism.

With regard to the specific complaint raised by Jonathan Tehoue, the Board was fully appraised of the facts at the time of the alleged incident back in March and having investigated it, was satisfied that it was without merit and took appropriate action then. The club will of course however happily assist the FA in its enquiries.

The manager, Paolo Di Canio denies completely any suggestion that he used toward Jonathan Tehoue or anyone, abusive, insulting or threatening words or behaviour by reference to race or at all and the Board wishes to affirm its complete and unequivocal support for its manager in this regard.

Further, the Board is wholly satisfied that any decisions concerning Jonathan Tehoue's playing career whilst at STFC, were made for purely footballing reasons.




...right, I would suggest that the first 3 paragraphs were drafted by the club, and thereafter by their lawyers. The key extract is that PDC :  "denies completely any suggestion that he used toward Jonathan Tehoue or anyone, abusive, insulting or threatening words or behaviour by reference to race or at all." This leaves what was said open to a matter of opinion. It is likely that something was said, but Di Canio doesn't feel that it was abusive, insulting or threatening, and the board agree. What the extarct does not say is that he didn't say anything that might not be interpreted in an insulting, abusive or threatening way.

Playing devil's advocate, Luis Suarez and Liverpool put forward a very similar argument about his use of "negro". The question will be one of interpretation. I hope that there is very little in this - but in the same way that Suarez was judged according to the interpretation of what he said in English and according to our culture, so should Di Canio, otherwise we create a carve out from what is and is not socially and morally acceptable for any foreigner - which, ironically, would be racist in itself.

Let's hope this blows over - but it's a story the club could very well do without. As crap loans go, it's fair to say Tehoue didn't just not work out, but may well have caused irreperable damage.

I had to unfollow her, was doing my head in

Yeah I have unfollowed her too, she was the one that started all those rumours about a fight at the training ground the other week.

And always tweets about wes

Is this the infermus stalker?

No thats someone else Sonic.

She also support Crawley aswell!

Telling him what her kids have said or had for for dinner

Who is this loon?

fatbury's wife?

Is she the chunky lass ? The stalker I mean.

Hahahhahahahhahahaahahaaaaaaaaa!!! The only way Fatbury would ever get a wife is if he found one in a park and locked it in the basement.

What's her twitter name?

Yep

The stalker is a rather chunky young lady, a few weeks back I was at the ticket office on a Friday afternoon and she came in to ask what time the coach was coming to collect the players.

I have heard she gives the players presents on their birthdays!

She tweets players asking what time they arrive at the ground. Be afraid

Pmd

Seriously you lot are like a bunch of old fucking dears talking over the garden fence.

Unfollowed you and all ya cunt

Good.

so there! (he started it)

Lubed up boob shag. :)

Haha like what you did with that.

Superb.

Might have known you would have been all over a post ending with a fence!

Weyyy!!! lolz

If I didn't say it someone else almost certainly would have done!!

Sorry, I forgot you were the king of comedy - Stewart Downy? Comedy legend!!

Surprised he isn't called Stewart Clowning instead. That would be really, really funny.

Aah I do love banter, the language of idiots.

Wouldn't have worked as well. And isn't as stupid.

And if they do - what a bunch of cunts !!!!!! :no: :no:

Reading the statement from the club, it states they were aware of the situation in march.... Surely this would of been the time when pdc nearly quit......

:sherlock:

PDC has aged about 10 years in the last 3 months.

Quality Film, line and idea all rolled into one!!!

The Daily Mail reports a "racism allegation" - fair enough

It understands that "several" players are prepared to testify in any FA case against PDC but is unable to name "testifiers" or (interestingly) spell out what they would testify; it strongly implies they would testify against PDC but does not actually discount that those players may actually testify in PDC's favour.

it understands that there has been an "alleged racist remark" but is unable to say what the remark was;

It understands that there were several witnesses to the alleged remark  - assuming an alleged remark has not necessarily in fact been made, how do you witness an alleged remark?

The Daily Mail understands F.A.

The Daily Mail then gratuitously throws in that PDC was once fined for fascist salutes but fails to even attempt to balance its reporting of a racism allegation by reporting that PDC has consistently denied being racist whenever the fascism/racism connection has been put to him.

As for the Suarez parallel drawn earlier, the problem there was the player's refusal to shake hands with Evra after the finding and especially the ambivalence of his club to the finding of racist remarks against its player. 

Have to agree, let's go down to the Winchester and wait for this to blow over - PDC will hopefully stick around long enough to make us go down to the Winchester several more times - via a few more championships and cup successes.

I think that's more to do with the death of his parents.

No it's called a beard and looks fucking awful.

PDC looks drained and that has nothing to do with the beard.

The death of your parents, allegations and a new job will take it out of the strongest character.

We've said it before...the man needs - and has certainly earned - a holiday.  I imagine he'll be looking a little fresher and 'younger' in August.

In the Adver article a few days ago some of the players were talking about their holiday destinations.
Paolo basically said he will be working 24 hours a day, is under contract, is a professional and he doesn't take holidays.

The man clearly needs a few weeks off to relax and recharge.

the Daily Mail is not worth the paper it is written on - it is worse than the Sun or the late NoW, which have no pretensions to be anything other than they are.  The Mail pretends to be a serious newspaper.

For me, the club's statement is sufficient.  I am confident that the ethical stand of the club generally since the new board etc is second to none, and that they would not cover up an issue like this.  Tehoue came from a club in a higher league, and assumed certain things.  He fell from grace very quickly - we certainly didn't see enough of him to make a judgment on footballing grounds.  (I thought he looked as though he might have something about him, but who am I to know?)  It certainly sounds to me like he (maybe supported by one/two other disgruntled voices) is out for revenge.

As far as I am concerned, PdC (who we know can be passionate and noisy, but so far as we can tell has never been abusive to an individual, even some of the terrible refs we have seen) has my support (wow!!!) - not because we just want him to stay and bring us more success, but because he has earned the respect of thousands of people in a very short time - until such time as any proof of racial abuse is offered.  And I am one of those who was doubtful about his appointment on political grounds....

If that's true, I hope Wray and Watkins ban him from the premises for a few weeks!  He'll be burned out by Christmas if he doesn't take a break at some point.

I totally agree, theres being professional and there is being bloody minded, he badly needs a break.

Should make for a couple of spicy games against Orient next season.

I heard he referred to Tehoue as a lazy French bastard and Tehoue was told this by Kerrouche.

Is Tehoue even going to be at Orient next season?

He is French isn't he?

Yes - and a lazy bastard.

So where's the problem?

I was thinking this, I highly doubt it.
His contract is up this summer, and i'm sure I read somewhere when he joined us that he didn't particularly like Russell Slade and was hoping to secure a permanent deal with us.

He's fallen out with the boss there apparently.

Yeah he called him a lazy french cunt

Wonder if this will put the 'bigger teams' off poaching him, in which case some good may come out this for us!

How is stating facts racist? I can't recall meeting a frog who showed any emotion, beyond contempt and total indifference, at doing something that didn't involve nicotine, caffeine or his friends wives.

I work with a lot of French, and when they do bother to come to work, find them to be completely like your description above.

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"Good moaning"

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:.

I wouldnt even wipe my arse with the Daily Mail

Its probably a good thing PDC and Pericard didn't meet :)

So, a loan player who was dumped for being shit and lazy by one club and was dropped after falling out with the manager of his parent club,  claims he was racially abused when he wasnt even there... Hmmm ok then.

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/9710150.Di_Canio_to_go_British_in_transfer_market/

Cue the Daily Mail picking up on this and running with the headline:
"Di Canio - I don't want any more bloody foreigners in my squad"

Corrected :)

Though of course 80% of the squad will be foreign...to di Canio

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18245752 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18245752)

If I'm honest, I'm getting a little worried, regarding little news about Paolo or transfer activity.. And now this pops up.

Its going to be a long summer...

That's not good is it

This isn't good.

Thought you were arriba for a second there..

The BBC want Di Canio's blood.

It's only May  ::)

Uh oh.

I don't understand

not a lot has changed though has it?

Tehoue and his agent/lawyers are still maintaining that Di Canio used a racial insult towards him. The club maintain that no racial insult was used towards him but have now conceded that a comment was made...nothing to say it was a racist comment or could be interpreted as such.

The BBC are just trying to stir up the story as it has gone quiet.

Indeed

the FA can ban him for all next season, we will still win the league! :)

All this bother isn't going to attract potenial new signings, whether it's true or not.

If the article is a fair representation of the situation, we have handled this very badly indeed.

• Why come out with the 'not as good as I thought he was' statement if, weeks/months later, it runs the risk of looking like a bare faced cover up to explain the player's absence?
• Why (did the board) come out with unequivocal backing for PDC initially?  This looks suspect, now that that backing has had to be watered down.

Sign players?  Let's sign someone who knows how to handle the media.  Not good at all.

What's the chances we're looking for a new manager and chairman this summer? All this bad press could so easily have been avoided.

Does anybody else find this contradictory.

Swindon's lawyers claim they've apologised for an inappropriate remark, yet they claim Tehoue's claims as spurious.

It just doesn't seem to make sense

IF, big IF, he did racially abuse JT, he should be out the door immediately.

Don't agree. Now the club is admitting there is substance to it. This is very bad indeed and I have no sympthy for Di Canio if he said something along those lines.

I do.  Hate to say it, but the contradiction needs to be explained by the club (ie Jeremy Wray), who is probably sick to the back teeth right now of having to deal with the media.

Maybe they can see how the remark can be seen as inappropriate but at the same time do not consider it to have been said as a racial slur.

They claim he was referred to by his skin colour. So is it racist to call someone black or did he use the N word. I'm guessing the club are claiming the former was 'inappropriate'.

It is this sort of thing which will stop PDC making it to the top. It will also erase part of the 'aura' around him, which contributes so much to recruitment.

Why don't we know what the alleged remark is?

One would have though Tehoue et al would want to make it public to drum up public support

It's a strange area, if you call someone a fat cunt, ginger cunt etc, is it the same as calling someone a black cunt?

Think this is the beginning of the end of Di Canio staying at Swindon, I read somewhere he told people he would leave if found guilty. I have a feeling we will have a new manager by kick off now, given Di Canio's previous history, the media will be all over this like a rash which will ultimately lead to Di Canio leaving I think.

If, hypothetically, PdC's mind had gone blank when talking about Tehoue he said something along the lines of "That, ooh, err, umm,  big black striker is useless and lacking somewhat in the fitness/ability department... ovvvviously", does that constitute a racist remark, or just a slightly inappropriate descriptive one?

Society says no, but if you look at the bare bones it is just describing someones physical attributes.

Descriptive, and not inappropriate in the slightest IMO.

I'm sure it will come out. Context is, clearly, crucial given that the club continue to back Paolo.

In the meantime I'm going to speculate that a player paid up and released last week was the one who reported it to Tehoue.

Or perhaps Di Canio knew full-well that what he was saying was derogatory?

But surely, PdC wouldn't be so insensitive to refer to a player's skin colour in a derogatory manner in front of other players of a similar colour.

See how much pussyfooting you have to go to with this subject.

I can see him saying 'Bollocks to this - I'm off'

All we can do is speculate now until the facts are laid out.

So I'm going to ignore everything STFC related until it is.  Fed up.  Good bye (for now).

I honestly can't see his remark being something like the N word as I honestly doubt the club would back him. He probably used a term which is deemed no longer appropriate in today's society.

See Alan Hansen.

But why wait.

If Tehoue has been called a black cunt, for example, surely it is in his best interests to make it public. Why the apparent reluctancy to reveal what was said?

Never believe a quote from an unknown. Non-story.

You really cant compare calling someone a 'fat' or 'ginger' bastard to calling someone a 'black' bastard.

Fatties and gingers haven't been persecuted and discriminated against and haven't been subjected to slavery.

I don't care what people's take on it is, it's not on

Because it's very easy to let the media make a mountain out of a mole hill when you don't disclose the whole truth and very difficult to make a mountain out of a mole hill from facts alone?

 I had rather hoped we could have a nice quiet close season, whereby the sound of leather on willow, might be punctuated by no more angst, than whether Steve Lomas was going to sign or not.  :doh:

I blame England for seeing out the Windies on Day 4.

I love it how people assume the worst and jump on PDC.

Basically we have a facist racist manager who wants to sign murderers.

I don't see anyone here doing that.

Surely you've supported Swindon long enough to know that's very hopeful thinking...?

It does you fucking cheeky monkey.

Is that comment inappropriate? racist? racist if you are black?

Bad example, but hopefully it makes the point. As said above, context is everything.

Nothing to see here, move along.

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/9732260.Town_stand_by_statement/?ref=rss

That's what the tabloids are implying, not our own fans.

I never said it was on here.

We had fans who moaned we had a facist in charge, moan that we were trying to sign a murderer now this.

It seems sometimes the bloke can do no right despite dominating the league last year.

Well I hope it gets sorted ASAP, as we don't want to be late in the transfer market as usual...

All of this has little/nothing to do with the transfer market.

People (our manager included) are on holiday.

In a way the damage has already been done. If you were a black player with young kids, would you sign for us?

It's still only May

Quite.  Perhaps the 'appropriate action' taken by the club was,in fact, partly the issuing of an apology to Tehoue's representatives for the 'inappropriate remark'

 

For 10k a week i'd do anything ;)

Slag.

Expensive slag at that.

Have you ever seen 1 guy, 1 cup?

Do that for 8 hours a day, seven days a week whilst maintaining a live feed on the internet that you've posted on your Facebook and I'll give you £10,000.

Feeling the same way at the moment.

I won't jump to conclusions until we know the full facts.

I'm getting tired reading negative stuff about STFC at the moment. First McCormick and now this. The summer of PR for the club is not going well at all. Think I might just forget about football for the next month or 2. 

Like John Terry did at Chelsea? It doesn't have to be the end for him, even if he is found to be guilty.

If a black person called me a white bastard would that be racist? I honestly wouldn't care.

It's not up to you to say what others should find offensive though is it

The club have made it clear they have a zero tolerance rule.

The 'interesting' debate will come if the FA find him guilty but the club disagree. Long way from that though.

Ginger cunt








;)

Is it only a rasist remark is a white person says it to a black person?

As a twitter user with various black celebs that i follow i'm surprised by how often they use the word 'nigger' as a term of endearment to each other when tweeting

This has just got interesting this needs to be resolved and explained why it was deemed to be correct to appologise in private yet in public deny everything.

It may be a good thing that PDC is no sbout the club at the moment as knowing the way he is so outspoken may end up having a detrimental effect.

If this drags on too long I can see PDC saying bollox to this shit storm I'm off and we are back to square 1 with no manager and lot's of players that a new manager may not want

Shit storm?

PDC is currently in Italy. I imagine he may have been told something about the beeb sticking their oar in, only to shrug his shoulders and go out for a some a fisha and a paella.

Why's he eating paella all of a sudden? Seems a bit of a rash thing to do.

Isn't paella Spanish?  PdC didn't seem to rate Gabilondo, and as far as I know doesn't have a Franco tattoo.

PDC isn't italian and is really spanish?!

Right you are.

A pizza it a is a then.

leave the fatties out of this, they've got enough on their plate as it is

 I wonder how long it will take the FA to investigate this?  Presumably they'll have to wait to see what happens with Terry. If he's found guilty then di Canio will get shafted, as a show of consistency and if Terry is found not guilty, di Canio will get shafted to show the FA at least take the issue seriously.

What's Sheena Easton up to atm?

Signed for Oxford, I think.

They are very excited

Perhaps The Football Association will throw the book at Di Canio forcing his departure, thus taking the heat away from Terry and he can go on doing his thing at Chelsea?

Terry has promised he'll take the heat 'as long as I can have a go on PDC's wife'.

I can't believe that whatever PdC is allegedly said to Tehoue was anywhere near as bad as what Terry (allegedly) said

i.e. 'You cheating b***k c**nt'

Racist.

A true leader.

I would say not enough on the plate

I could go for paella right now, a terrific dish

It was fucking rather than cheating and there is no allegedly, Terry has admitted saying "fucking b***k c*nt" (no surprise given that even a blind man could have lip read what he said). He is claiming it's all a big misunderstanding and that what he said has been taken out of context.

The real reason the story is a problem is because even his most rabid supporters seceretly think its probably true but don't want to say so out loud. A good proportion of other people simply don't care .

I think this will have the opposite effect on DiCanio. Every time he comes up  against opposition he fights harder. I can see it now. DiCanio ur banned for 6 months. "it's ok they can ban me for 1 year we will still win the league" "I
Won't let these idiots defeat me ah ha ha"

I think you're missing the point. If he's racially abusing players he should, and presuambly will, be sacked and not get another job in this country.

Talking of racism, anyone watched Euro 2012 - Stadiums of Hate ? It was on last night but is now on BBC iPlayer.

Umm you do realise that if he is banned he will be sacked?

You mean the program that was just highlighting on certain parts of bad behaviour which can happen in any country?!

Of course it can happen in every country but it appears it does happen with alarming frequency in Ukraine.... and other countries of course.

So monkey chants, beating Asian fans up from your own support and anti-semitic chants happen all the time in England ?

Yeah right.

Probably didn't watch it.

Not to that level inside the ground.

I heard racism almost every time I went to watch Newcastle United.

When in the 70's and 80's ??

I've been to St James Park to watch them about 10 times over the past 5 years and have never seen or heard any racism. Newcastle fans are some of the best I've ever met.

I'm not 100% sure he'll get sacked it found guilty... Looking at the Suarez case, there was a lot more evidence and very little defense yet he was gladly accepted back at Liverpool because they genuinely believed he was being harshly treated. Considering the club have reaffirmed their support for him, just as Liverpool did for Suarez, I think they will take a similar stance to Liverpool. In that they believed he was genuinely not guilty and that the FA were 'throwing the book' at him to send a message, I think the board would stand by their original stance and continue to refute the claims.

For the record, I think racism is wrong, I just don't think there will be enough conclusive evidence to outright ban Di Canio. And if punishment is taken (fine ect) then the club would stand by Di Canio.

Touch wood we get through this preseason saga with little/no hassle.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm actually starting to get tired of the whole circus thing.

It's a bit like when you pull a stunning bird who's a bit mental. Eventually you get tired of the games and, despite her looks and that feeling of "I'll never get another chance with someone like this," you eventually grow some bollocks, delete her number and ignore her.

Get off your high horse. I watched Newcastle United INFINITELY more than the figure you have due to living in the city for 5 years  ::)

It was never more than one person but my observation without doubt stands.

Haha so true.

I must admit, I never really thought we'd get embroiled in this sort of shit but here we are.

Like a few others, I'm steering clear until pre-season kicks in.

I do try and steer clear of these threads, and I should really steer clear completely until the season starts (especially after last year), but I made the mistake of checking to see why this thread was bumped. :doh:

It's not because I'm burying my head in the sand I just believe knowing doesn't affect anything beyond giving you something to worry about.

I wouldn't see it that way, more, well if I can pull a bird as hot as that,  I must be doing something right and there are plenty more out there. She might be mad, so keep at arms length, but ignoring all together isn't gentlemanly.

Sadly this sort of situation was always likely with the appointment of di Canio, which is why unlike some I've never quite fallen in love with him.

For everything he does good he also seems to do something bad. Personally don't care what he said. Football isn't like other jobs and shit happens.

If these allegations had serious substance to them then the club wouldn't have said what they did. Clearly Paolo said something out of turn, but the club came out and said they wouldn't have tolerated racism had it occurred. Therefore, I'm not panicking.

"Football isn't like other jobs."

Great reasoning. Maybe we'll see a lynching, perhaps PDC would get a fine. It's acceptable though cos it's football.

Yup.

What day is it?

A STATEMENT!!!  :D

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10341~2791757,00.html

I have been told he called someone a lazy French bastard.....many will see that as racism.

Why cannot the club tell US what was said....us the people that are the beating heart of the club.
My instinct tells me the club would have sacked him if it was a colour thing.....to be honest i am very dissapointed with the club in the sense that they are keeping things close to there chest......honesty and openess is the way forward in such matters.

I love Paolo.......but if he wants his players to tow the line then this kind of outburst is not acceptable..

Fuck yeah

Fuck you Tehoue

There's no way the club should release what was said.

KABOOOOOM!

It's best they keep shtum Leefer. The slightest thing can be taken out of context and make matters worse.

Wow so now the club are claiming that it was Tehoue throwing his toys out of the pram. This is going to rumble on folks.

I hope not, I'm bored of it, and the LM thing.  Wish I could get my Delorean to July 26th 2012.

Why?

You can guarantee they would have released what he said if it was nothing to worry about.
Fact is you cannot have a manager waving the big do things properly wand about(ie Clarke) then let himself down  like this.
He wants honesty as a manager then why not be honest and tell us what was said.......got a bad feeling about this.

Bye the way i really do hope i am way off the mark....i am a big PDC fan but matters like this cannot be looked at lightly.

Yeah, fuck you Tallulah.

It's an internal investigation, it's none of our business.

Me too but the player won't give in especially with the FA and his lawyers involved.

So why you banging on about it then....course its our business otherwise the club wouldn't be putting statements online to tell us.....there business.

The club are just responding to the press. I'm sure the club would rather keep it all internal but they are hardly being given any choice on the matter.

Calm yourself down leefer.

The club have an obligation to set records straight if a mainstream media source are publishing what the company consider inaccurate information. It doesn't mean they have to submit every detail especially when it's a legal issue.

Statements are not released solely for the supporters.

Is the BBC story from earlier today still on there? I'm on my phone but I can't see it, even though I could earlier.

I only found it using their search engine. It's not on the L2 or Swindon page.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18245752

"The Player's decision to walk away from training is clearly in breach of his obligations to the Club and the standard terms of his Football League contract of employment and the Club delayed taking action against him until it had properly investigated the issue"

Hope that means we stopped Tehoue's wages then.

Strong statement, unfortunately needed. The press tend to have a collective stiffy at the mere suggestion of PDC and possible controversy.

http://victoria-stephens.hubpages.com/hub/Gingerism-Bullied-a-Ginger-Kid

Yep, they seem to be right behind PDC. One side must be wrong...

Bullying is hardly in the same league as what blacks have had to endure over the centuries

Club are basically saying there was no comment be that insulting, racist or otherwhys.

This stinks of an agent hearing fourth hand information chinese whispers style on what Di Canio thought of Tehoue and knwoing Di Canio's facist reputation, trie's to save face for his client that the guy left Swindon because of a racist facist manager and not because of the fact that he is actually a useless bag of shite.

So it's fine to abuse gingers until they're enslaved, then maybe ease off a little? ;)

I do see your point, and it's valid in saying we should be concerned about what can be said to black people. But that argument gets used to justify going to extremes. It gets to the point where any innocent reference to the colour of somebody's skin lands people in hot water for 'racism' (see Alan Hansen), whilst seriously damaging abuse because of hair colour, weight etc is seen as fine because there's no equivalent history behind it.

I'm glad we have this and the McCormick issue close season.

Hopefully done and dusted when we kick off.

Now leaving the racism to oneside as to me this is exactly what the club said it is, him trying to give a reason for him leaving, race card basically.
Tehoue was never going to be able to put up with DiCanios training regime in a million years. Look at the size of him it would have been physically impossible. It's like asking Geoff capes to compete at a high level in rock climbing or marathon running. Therefore I put part of the blame down 2 DiCanio and also tehoue, both should of done their homework before accepting the deal.

???
Its exactly what the club said it isn't

edit: Oh wait. You mean that it is deflection by the player. Sorry, long day.

On the one hand, the abuse gingers get is unacceptable, it shouldn't happen and is totally wrong.

On the other hand, the South Park ginger kids episode and the Catherine Tate ginger sketches are really, really funny.

I'm torn.

Your edit was spot on, its the heat.

Bullshit.  Explain the advent of Statement Friday Tuesday then?

Status and self-worth. There were no statements.

Surely this issue is why di canio almost quit. Perhaps the club did not originally fully back di canio, hence the apology before the internal investigation. Now the club are showing di canio as much support as they can, as they are worried that he could walk away if they do not back him in public.

Over the centuries.....why should something that happened hundreds of years ago give one race/skin colour/religion/country a right to be more offended/upset at racist/xenophobic behavior than others?

Understand where you and some others are coming from.

PDC will always be prone to outbursts.

Tehoue is the complainant and it is for him to put up or shut up

As he seems a little less in demand than Eden Hazard he probably will put up as there doesn't seem much else on the horizon for him.  Its legal jockeying and media briefing. 

There is certainly no need for PDC to put on record his version of what Tehoue might be saying PDC said before Tehoue actually states publically what he alleges PDC said

Pure puff and innuendo thus far.  We shall await the hearing

To be honest if we can't poke fun at the French then what's the world coming to...?

I agree, allthough I do hate the Italians for what the Romans did to Boudicea

In that case is calling someone black the same as calling someone a jew?
Is calling someone black racist?  Why do people like Chris Rock and other black people get away with calling whites white boy, or a white man?

This is another LM, nobody will totally agree and it is down to opinions.  I think that this subject was rightly highlighted because of previous major issues, but now is has been highlighted so much it has become out of control.  Don't get me wrong, there is no place for the N word (even though the black population do themselves no favours by using it so much themselves) and I also understand that they class coloured as derogatory so I can understand that but the fact that I could be done for describing a black man as black, whether he is a lazy bastard or not is getting silly, it's a fact, he has black skin.

I have probably stirred up a load of shit by that post for people that have got a bug up their arse about it, and I am not getting into a debate about it, just putting it out there.

Shut up Berni you stupid honkey cunt.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Fuck you white boy!

Not many other proffessions where you can get the sack when you have done nothing wrong?  be victimised and do nothing about it other than leave your place of work? Have a punch up with a colleague and not get the sack? Etc etc etc.
Not condoning it but the point stands

It's now being included in articles on the Panorama/Euro  debate as well  (Daily Telegraph)

This.

i prefer the L word to the N word - when did it become the N word?
you bunch of b word talking c wording f wordits

Press conference called for 4.00 to announce PDC's contract extension.

And breathe...

Thats the best news I've heard all week. Phew.

Lovely stuff.

Great, so the fascist racist is staying longer. Champion ;)

Completely off topic but I've just found out that Hugo Boss was a Nazi.

He designed the Brown Shirts for Hitler's stormtroopers and the black SS uniform.

Never realised he was around then.

Wonder how many of the 'anti-PdC cos he's a facist' wear his stuff.

I'm all for people having an opinion but they do have to carry it through not just the bits they suits them

So you're accusing people of hypocrisy based on an assumption you've just made up around something you've only just found out yourself? Superb

My misses drives a Volkswagen, I will be finishing with her tonight as she is guilty by association!

My missus drives a hard bargain, I'll be doing what I'm told as usual :)

Haha.

I purchased some Hb aftershave last week as it happens. I must be a neo Nazi.

Pillock.

Indeed...I used to work for a certain pharmaceutical company that used to be part of IG Farben - on top of that I drove a VW Golf at the same time to work and wore Hugo Boss suits.

Some might get the wrong idea....

I wonder how many people use IBM hardware/software? I think they managed to survive their Nazi love fest without any issue. But then most Sun readers would rather hear how Jordan took 4 fingers from Tulisa for a £5 bet, than what IBM once did.

What about all those Nazi engineers that became part of NASA and the space programme, I guess you are in trouble if you have Satellite TV or a Sat Nav!

I built a gas chamber on brighton beach, sponsored by hugo boss and the luftwaffe.


im screwed.

PDC extends contract to 2015!!

Panic over.

"When the truth comes out there will be one person in trouble, and it will not be Paolo di Canio."

That one comment reassured me more than any statement tbh

who made that comment?

PDC

Link?

I don't think you are allowed to say "Puff" nowadays

Too lazy to use Google...?

I'm a sun reader, too stoopid to goggle.

I'm only poking fun Batch. Who wouldn't rather read about that than IBM? Besides, Jordan must be like a bin bag, so it's clearly made up. :)

Other than Tehoue, the only one I can think of is Kerouche.

Yeah I got that Baz, I made up being a Sun reader too ;). Jordan 0 - like throwing a sausage down an alleyway, not much tread left on that tyre.

IMB from corporate great to corporate dinosaur. Heard some funny stories about working there, including the contractor that nearly caused an impromptu downing of tools because he was given a 'managers chair' rather than a 'standard chair'.

Or watched Disney, or driven a Ford...

Or bought Adidas/Puma merchandise.

This really proves that the ideology of Nazism was not only brilliant, but also forward thinking and progressive. A military defeat, such as Stalingrad, pales into insignificance amidst the cries of "Tomorrow the World". The likes of IBM, Hugo Boss, Volkswagen, NASA, Disney, Ford, Addidas and Puma surely prove the point. I would have mentioned Skoda, but "expansionism" is another matter.