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Title: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 13:56:07
Heard a whisper today that it may be over Witchelstow way.



Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 14:02:10
Highworth isnt it


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 14:05:32
Someone I know in the Council said there was an application in over at the 'Stow.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 14:09:03
Highworth isnt it

By the golf club?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: JayBox325 on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 14:50:55
By the golf club?

I thought it was the Golf Club. Apparently the owner died and left it to his daughter or someone and they're just looking to sell.

It's a flat one though, right?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 15:07:54
I thought it was the Golf Club. Apparently the owner died and left it to his daughter or someone and they're just looking to sell.

It's a flat one though, right?

Let's hope so... then we can move in and move on... and putt this whole thing behind us...


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 15:47:03
That Wood be good for the Club to be based there. Let's hope the canteen serves some good tee...


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 15:47:35
Power specifically said it was with in the borough, which technically rules the late Dougie Austin's place out!  I heard it was the old Oakfield site in town!  We will find out soon enough I guess through Fanzai!!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 15:49:24
That Wood be good for the Club to be based there. Let's hope the canteen serves some good tee...

I just hope it doesn't drive a wedge between the community and the club.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 15:51:53
So, so far we have Witchelstow, Highworth and ex Oakfield school, i.e. Greenbridge (nr Rugby club).

Anymore?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 15:53:21
Cavvy Square?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Family at War on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 16:00:52
Bulldozing Penhill


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 16:24:25
So, so far we have Witchelstow, Highworth and ex Oakfield school, i.e. Greenbridge (nr Rugby club).

Anymore?

Its a bloody big training ground....


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 16:31:07
Calne?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 17:36:40
Morshead knows. I asked him on the webchat on Total Sport earlier but he wouldn't disclose it?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Sam Morshead on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 18:10:52
Morshead knows. I asked him on the webchat on Total Sport earlier but he wouldn't disclose it?
Sorry.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 18:19:08
Can't see why it's a state secret


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 18:25:56
Can't see why it's a state secret

Probably upset in case he loses privileged access to the club.

Oh.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 18:34:48
Moredon I thought?? Council owned, they'd be happy to sell


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Sam Morshead on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 18:42:27
Probably upset in case he loses privileged access to the club.

Oh.
Ha. No, just doing things properly. Beeb will get leaked it at some point no doubt. Some of you seem to know it already anyway.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 18:52:26
Ha. No, just doing things properly. Beeb will get leaked it at some point no doubt. Some of you seem to know it already anyway.
You tease you.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 18:55:33
Some.. So only 2 individuals mentioned 2, so some means the golf club one where ever that is


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 18:59:43
Moredon I thought?? Council owned, they'd be happy to sell
Think Moredon was offered but Power said it was not a suitable site.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 20:29:47
Ha. No, just doing things properly. Beeb will get leaked it at some point no doubt. Some of you seem to know it already anyway.

What's the advantage for you in doing things properly?

Were you interested in the BBC's plan to recruit 200 local journalists? If you can't beat 'em...?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Red and Proud on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 21:18:40
So, so far we have Witchelstow, Highworth and ex Oakfield school, i.e. Greenbridge (nr Rugby club).

Anymore?

As an ex inmate, i take exceotion, Park School if you please.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Sam Morshead on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 22:02:05
What's the advantage for you in doing things properly?

Were you interested in the BBC's plan to recruit 200 local journalists? If you can't beat 'em...?

Some meagre sense of self-righteousness maybe. Maybe it's just the way I've always done it and don't really want to stop.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 22:08:50
As an ex inmate, i take exceotion, Park School if you please.

Park School is just an age thing...  I remember it as both as I was school age when it switched, thankfully never went there though.  My Mrs did :)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, September 9, 2015, 22:27:49
Some meagre sense of self-righteousness maybe. Maybe it's just the way I've always done it and don't really want to stop.

So that's a no comment on my second para then...


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Red and Proud on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 07:52:40
Park School is just an age thing...  I remember it as both as I was school age when it switched, thankfully never went there though.  My Mrs did :)

So when the county ground gets renamed.......


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 08:50:34
Park School is just an age thing...  I remember it as both as I was school age when it switched, thankfully never went there though.  My Mrs did :)

Park Grammar School please, if it's going to be an age thing. I passed the 11+ to get there.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Chrystovski on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 12:22:36
Has Power said how much the training ground is projected to cost and how many years it will likely take to build?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: JayBox325 on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 12:31:02
Has Power said how much the training ground is projected to cost and how many years it will likely take to build?  :sherlock:

He hinted at it being a few years and a few million... Because the pitches need to be setup, the buildings need to be constructed (they won't have a press office though, so that's one less)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 13:46:57
I've also heard Moredon Golf Course mentioned


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 14:00:48
I've also heard Moredon Golf Course mentioned

Does Power play golf, from the suggestions being banded around we seem to be less building a training ground and more buying a golf club?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 14:03:31
Has Power said how much the training ground is projected to cost and how many years it will likely take to build?  :sherlock:
For comparison, Beversbrook took approx 18 months from approval to completion in 2009 and cost just over 1m. That was slightly smaller than the current site as they've since added 2 11v11, 1 9v9 and 1 7v7 pitch at an approx cost of 100,000 in 2012. But costs would likely be higher and take longer in Swindon as you're dealing with an urban area (even if it's greenfield site) which is always more complex, hence more expensive. Although the club may not need quite such an extensive site so that may defray costs a little, although I doubt it as the cost comes from build/complexity, rather than pitches (although 3G pitches aren't cheap and I'd assume they'd want a few 3G areas in there)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 14:14:49
Can't see why it would take more than 2 years from planning OK to completion


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 15:08:27
Can't see why it would take more than 2 years from planning OK to completion

Planning could be 1-2 years, they are the slowest moving people on the planet.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 15:19:22
I've also heard Moredon Golf Course mentioned
Power said it had been offered but rejected as not suitable - thought I mentioned that before!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 15:26:54
Planning could be 1-2 years, they are the slowest moving people on the planet.

No we are fucking not!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 15:30:35
Well that took you over 20 minutes ;)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: donkey on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 16:32:47
Does Power play golf, from the suggestions being banded around we seem to be less building a training ground and more buying a golf club?

Buying a golf club is very much like buying a house...


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Red and Proud on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 17:29:50
Park Grammar School please, if it's going to be an age thing. I passed the 11+ to get there.
wasn't Maisey the HM? Or am i thinking of another school in the locale?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 17:46:31
wasn't Maisey the HM? Or am i thinking of another school in the locale?

Mr Coggan. Decent enough chap, I was hauled up in front of him a few times in my 6 years there, and he was always very fair. Unlike the fella at Junior school who liked a bit of caning, which I considered unfair in my cases.


Title: Re:
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 18:42:01
Theres a golf course for sale on the village, long as the team don't mind an hour-ish commute from swindon every day.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 18:46:36
For comparison, Beversbrook took approx 18 months from approval to completion in 2009 and cost just over 1m. That was slightly smaller than the current site as they've since added 2 11v11, 1 9v9 and 1 7v7 pitch at an approx cost of 100,000 in 2012. But costs would likely be higher and take longer in Swindon as you're dealing with an urban area (even if it's greenfield site) which is always more complex, hence more expensive. Although the club may not need quite such an extensive site so that may defray costs a little, although I doubt it as the cost comes from build/complexity, rather than pitches (although 3G pitches aren't cheap and I'd assume they'd want a few 3G areas in there)
Would imagine the quality of pitches, irrigation system etc will be vastly superior to Beversbrook though, it'll be around 3m or 4m when you factor in the purchase, planning, land clearance, changing facilities, probably a gym and all that sort of stuff.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 18:58:32
Park Grammar School please, if it's going to be an age thing. I passed the 11+ to get there.

That was when it was a toff's school - when it opened, the Swindon Mayor at the time (Diamond?), who lived on Bath Road, managed to get his son in there even though Commonweal Grammar was only 10 mins walk away.   :)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 21:42:18
That was when it was a toff's school - when it opened, the Swindon Mayor at the time (Diamond?), who lived on Bath Road, managed to get his son in there even though Commonweal Grammar was only 10 mins walk away.   :)

Not so sure about that my sis was at Commonweal, and was transferred to Park, because SBC wanted to make up the numbers there, we lived about half way between the two.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 23:14:25
Where is the location for this? Sure I saw somebody mention it on another thread over the last couple of days but can't seem to find it.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 23:26:03
Where is the location for this? Sure I saw somebody mention it on another thread over the last couple of days but can't seem to find it.

Nothing concrete, just in the borough and near to sign off.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 08:17:14
Where is the location for this? Sure I saw somebody mention it on another thread over the last couple of days but can't seem to find it.
ASD seems to think it will be in Highworth!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Matt71 on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 08:34:01
Twelve oaks golf course as you come out of Highworth towards Lechlade.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: joteddyred on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 16:24:47
http://www.flicwiltshire.com/town-to-start-work-on-new-training-ground-in-new-year-after-completing-purchase-of-12-oaks/


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: leftside on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 11:10:56
Nothing concrete, just in the borough and near to sign off.
A timber-framed training ground, that'll be twee.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 11:46:21
They'll need to evict Jed first

(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag351/rickrose1204/Mobile%20Uploads/2479335_a1caf114_zpslleit251.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/rickrose1204/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2479335_a1caf114_zpslleit251.jpg.html)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 12:42:56
I do like it that the new training ground is no more than a few (about 5) fields away from the River Cole which forms the border with Oxfordshire.  (I am sad enough to have checked this on the satellite view of Google Maps.)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 13:07:52
As with all things STFC, I'll believe it when I see it, but if it does happen then it's an impressive effort from Mr Power.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 14:48:24
An asset for the club which may help when Power sells up.

Let's hope there are no 'development' opportunities there.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 14:53:03

Let's hope there are no 'development' opportunities there.

That's crossed my mind as well. Having no sale-able assets has been, ironically, something that may have protected STFC from unscrupulous developers in the past. I hope this is something that Power/The Trust have considered.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 14:55:52
Me, too. Not owning the CG may be a blessing in disguise.

I presume, though, that if the Eady money is being used there must be some clause in the legal jargon prohibiting any future sale for anything other than sporting related.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 12:54:15
I thought Power has said in one of his radio chats the Eady money was being kept back and used on the ground - I also hope that the likes of the Trust ensure that the training ground is owned by STFC and not owned by L Power & Co and leased to STFC, this for me is very important


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 14:22:36
Yes LP has said several times the eady money is not being used for the training ground.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 14:35:41
Not sure if that is a good thing or not.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 14:44:15
I thought Power has said in one of his radio chats the Eady money was being kept back and used on the ground - I also hope that the likes of the Trust ensure that the training ground is owned by STFC and not owned by L Power & Co and leased to STFC, this for me is very important
I don't know what power the Trust have to ensure that, LP is the owner and as such he can do what he wants as long as it is within the law of the land!  We could well be in the shit like Northampton who thought they had been taken over by foreign investors only to find out five days before a demand for 10 million from the council is due to be paid that it has all fallen through.  Perhaps Jed and co will ride in to their rescue!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 16:46:12
I don't know what power the Trust have to ensure that, LP is the owner and as such he can do what he wants as long as it is within the law of the land!  We could well be in the shit like Northampton who thought they had been taken over by foreign investors only to find out five days before a demand for 10 million from the council is due to be paid that it has all fallen through.  Perhaps Jed and co will ride in to their rescue!

I think you will find that the demand from the council was deliberate in conjunction with their trust due to a long winded takeover that was confidential so no one was bring told who it was - and then conveniently a few days later they pull out, I think the club borrowed money from the council to build a stand or something and nothing happened


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 17:41:00
I thought Power has said in one of his radio chats the Eady money was being kept back and used on the ground - I also hope that the likes of the Trust ensure that the training ground is owned by STFC and not owned by L Power & Co and leased to STFC, this for me is very important

I suspect that if Power has bought the land with his own cash there is little anyone can do regarding ownership etc.

Whenever a planning application is made it should at least clarify who the landowner is?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 17:45:34
Hope it doesn't lead to a Kassam-type position


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 18:42:50
Jeez you are worse than my mrs for worrying about every single thing.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 19:40:16
Well, everything seems to be going tits up at the moment and football chairmen aren't exactly known for their largesse.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 21:04:08
Jeez you are worse than my mrs for worrying about every single thing.
Seems a reasonable enough thing to at least have a mild concern about - could also see arguments over valuation of the training ground cropping up in future takeovers running into difficulties as well. But on a glass-half-full basis, pleased to see it's going ahead, slightly concerned about where the money's coming from too.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 21:49:39
Seems a reasonable enough thing to at least have a mild concern about - could also see arguments over valuation of the training ground cropping up in future takeovers running into difficulties as well. But on a glass-half-full basis, pleased to see it's going ahead, slightly concerned about where the money's coming from too.

So are you thinking that the monies raised by player sales, are being put into the acquisition of this patch of land, under the disguise of a training ground, while the club heads off to the Conference South....and it's then sold on to developers for a fat profit?

Have to admit hadn't thought of that.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 21:52:22
So are you thinking that the monies raised by player sales, are being put into the acquisition of this patch of land, under the disguise of a training ground, while the club heads off to the Conference South....and it's then sold on to developers for a fat profit?

Have to admit hadn't thought of that.
No I wasn't. But now I'm worrying about that too. Thanks Reg!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 21:55:10
The club could be also paying rent to the land owner for use of said. training facility. 


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 22:00:36
So are you thinking that the monies raised by player sales, are being put into the acquisition of this patch of land, under the disguise of a training ground, while the club heads off to the Conference South....and it's then sold on to developers for a fat profit?

Have to admit hadn't thought of that.

Nah.

If his plan involved raising the cash through player sales, then why not just keep going as he was and continue raising money through player sales? Why go with an extravagant development scheme (that could go wrong) when he could just wack the profit from player sales into his bank account each season instead?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 22:07:56
If he was on a scam, there's no need for him to mention any training ground or whatever. Why open a can of worms when there's no need? The 'getting my investment back' argument would suffice and he's clearly not stupid.

The 'Kassam' argument could have some legs, but STFC would have to be in a reasonable position to pay able to pay rent at all which pretty much rules out him making anything if we are playing in non-league.

My concern is that the club having sale-able assets could leave us vulnerable to developers in the future. Developers that could take over the club for a quid or whatever and then cash in on assets - the debt owed.





Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 22:08:33
The club could be also paying rent to the land owner for use of said. training facility. 
I'd take that as a given and as long as it's a fair market rate, entirely reasonable tbh.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 22:11:11
So are you thinking that the monies raised by player sales, are being put into the acquisition of this patch of land, under the disguise of a training ground, while the club heads off to the Conference South....and it's then sold on to developers for a fat profit?

Have to admit hadn't thought of that.
soapy tit wank Reg, Dougie Grant tried that one!!  He never got anywhere with SBC and turned it into the golf course!



Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 22:12:40
The club could be also paying rent to the land owner for use of said. training facility. 
But they are buying it outright, contracts to be exchanged by the end of this month apparently!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, October 13, 2015, 22:12:46
I think the only worry is who Power eventually sells up to.

Don't suppose we will know exactly how Power will finance the new facility - obviously he has already said a good slice of recent player sales will go into it.

He will sell up some time, obviously. And him owning the training facility will make it more attractive to any purchaser and no doubt Power would get a good return.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 07:35:37
Way the current injury crisis is, this place should be the new training ground


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 08:07:50
But they are buying it outright, contracts to be exchanged by the end of this month apparently!
It is being bought outright, doesn't mean the club will be the direct owner.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 08:56:13
Here was me thinking that Mr Power was setting this up as some sort of generous act to carry the club forward...must be going soft in my old age  :)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 09:39:53
Seems a reasonable enough thing to at least have a mild concern about - could also see arguments over valuation of the training ground cropping up in future takeovers running into difficulties as well. But on a glass-half-full basis, pleased to see it's going ahead, slightly concerned about where the money's coming from too.

It was in general. If i said the sky was a little less bluer today, then audrey would worry the sea was shrinking ;)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 10:21:52
STFC history has turned me into a cynical old bastard, I admit.

But what's this about the sky . . .aaaaargh

run for the hills

run for your lives!!!!!!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 11:16:31
Seems a reasonable enough thing to at least have a mild concern about - could also see arguments over valuation of the training ground cropping up in future takeovers running into difficulties as well. But on a glass-half-full basis, pleased to see it's going ahead, slightly concerned about where the money's coming from too.

Hopefully there will be a lease agreement between the club and owner in that instance and shouldn't present too much of a problem.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 15:54:29
Adver reporting the site has planning permission for holiday homes.

So if STFC/Power buy the site, build the training facilities and a few holiday homes, hopefully the project could pay for itself.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Family at War on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 16:02:30
has anybody come to the conclusion that one day this could quite possibly be our new ground?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 16:16:27
Adver reporting the site has planning permission for holiday homes.

So if STFC/Power buy the site, build the training facilities and a few holiday homes, hopefully the project could pay for itself.

Strange isn't it....buy a holiday home in Highworth  ???


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 16:17:15
Fucking hope not. The CG is in a fantastic location - albeit a bit of a dump.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 16:27:39
has anybody come to the conclusion that one day this could quite possibly be our new ground?


The way we're going atm, Highworth Town's ground may do in the future....bit of a slope mind.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 17:44:56
Adver reporting the site has planning permission for holiday homes.

So if STFC/Power buy the site, build the training facilities and a few holiday homes, hopefully the project could pay for itself.
Adver living up to their usual shit quality 'journalism' then. If you look on the Swindon planning portal an application was put in in May 2014 for 18 holiday homes and was refused. So has nothing to do with Town!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 18:10:07
Fair level of scepticism on here. One thing is for certain - there is nothing wrong with Power making profit from running the club. Otherwise, why do it? There is no rule to say that any business must reinvest all of its profit. There's definitely no rule to say that a loss making business must reinvest revenue.

We, like most clubs, are likely to continue to operate at a loss. If the man who is prepared to fund the losses wishes to make profit from some extraordinary projects (such as a new ground or training grounds) than I'm not sure we can complain.

The key is that the arrangements that are put in place are balanced and fair such that they do not inhibit the future of the club, financial or otherwise.

If there was housing adjacent to the training facility, does that matter?

If he owned the training ground and the club pays a rent, there is a conflict of interest - there is nobody to negotiate that deal in the interests of the club rather than the chairman. But if the rent is fair, if the lease is long (99 years+), there's a sporting convenant put on the land - then where does that leave us? With a better training ground, better able to attract players, just without a valuable financial asset that could be sold / used as security for loans for the club etc.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 18:33:07
Pleasantly surprised it could be up and running in time for next pre-season.

Makes you wonder why they signed a 3 year deal in Calne.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 18:42:06
Pleasantly surprised it could be up and running in time for next pre-season.

Makes you wonder why they signed a 3 year deal in Calne.
Knowing LP there'll be a get out clause!!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Mother Brown on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 19:34:10
Will playing golf improve thier footballing skills though  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 21:15:53
Will playing golf improve thier footballing skills though  :sherlock:

Didn't do me any harm. When I started playing golf I was turning out in the Newbury and District 4th division, 4 years later after I stopped playing golf due to  bad back, I was in the 3rd. Coincidence?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: corner on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 11:02:31
I wouldn't have thought the course would be staying


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 13:33:01
Fair level of scepticism on here. One thing is for certain - there is nothing wrong with Power making profit from running the club. Otherwise, why do it? There is no rule to say that any business must reinvest all of its profit. There's definitely no rule to say that a loss making business must reinvest revenue.

We, like most clubs, are likely to continue to operate at a loss. If the man who is prepared to fund the losses wishes to make profit from some extraordinary projects (such as a new ground or training grounds) than I'm not sure we can complain.

The key is that the arrangements that are put in place are balanced and fair such that they do not inhibit the future of the club, financial or otherwise.

If there was housing adjacent to the training facility, does that matter?

If he owned the training ground and the club pays a rent, there is a conflict of interest - there is nobody to negotiate that deal in the interests of the club rather than the chairman. But if the rent is fair, if the lease is long (99 years+), there's a sporting convenant put on the land - then where does that leave us? With a better training ground, better able to attract players, just without a valuable financial asset that could be sold / used as security for loans for the club etc.

But should the training ground not be an asset to the football club, like owning its own ground

As for LP making money out of the club, I'm the money he puts in is not interest free but generally at this level there is not much profit to be made, the profit will come if the club has been run well and it get's sold on, unlike previous where it has had to be sold for 1 along with large debts.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 14:00:40
But should the training ground not be an asset to the football club, like owning its own ground
Yes. But the proviso for that is can the club afford to pay for the asset? If it can't, then external funding will be needed, whether from Lee Power or other investors, which either sits in the club as a debt or else the club doesn't initially own the asset but has to lease it. Or we wait until the club can afford to build the asset from it's own means. That could take a while


Title: New training ground
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 22:22:30
But should the training ground not be an asset to the football club, like owning its own ground

As for LP making money out of the club, I'm the money he puts in is not interest free but generally at this level there is not much profit to be made, the profit will come if the club has been run well and it get's sold on, unlike previous where it has had to be sold for 1 along with large debts.

It's only worth owning such an asset if you can afford it, afford it when you need it, and exploit it. If Power owns it, so long as sufficient protection is there that he won't be able to screw the club over in the future (e.g reasonable future buy out arrangements at market value or a limited percentage above) then I'm happy.

As for his loans, the club won't have access to usual avenues of debt finance. No lower league football clubs will, so directors loans are the norm. If he takes a return through interest payments, again, it's a case of quite how reasonable they are. If they are along the lines of market rate (if the club solvent), then fantastic.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, November 3, 2015, 19:44:17
Contracts being signed tomorrow. Going to be at Twelve Oaks golf course.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Power to people on Friday, November 6, 2015, 13:27:02
Good interview with Fraser Digby on Flic about this and how they can get some pitches built up before having to wait to long


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Skinny Pete on Friday, November 6, 2015, 13:34:29
What's the point in hurrying if they are still contracted to Calne?

Unless they will move to the new place and are happy to carry on paying for Calne despite not using it.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, November 6, 2015, 13:37:55
Only the first team are contracted to Calne, that's the main point of this place, get all the age groups training together


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, November 6, 2015, 13:38:28
What's the point in hurrying if they are still contracted to Calne?

Unless they will move to the new place and are happy to carry on paying for Calne despite not using it.

Perhaps they can rent out pitches at the training ground to make a bit of money in the mean time?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, November 6, 2015, 15:16:28
What's the point in hurrying if they are still contracted to Calne?

Unless they will move to the new place and are happy to carry on paying for Calne despite not using it.

I suspect there is a break clause in the contract, probably half way through.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 14:11:01
What are the Trust guys up to these days - other than raising the money for stratton bank improvements, not sure if they have meetings with stfc and would be able to ask questions ?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 13, 2016, 17:24:53
So looks like they are planning two temporary pitches on the existing driving range at this stage?
http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/C32095DC1FA9183B3FD9AA0600B4EABD/pdf/S_16_0589-TEMPORARY_PITCHES-536188.pdf

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/A324C335ABF2D8A3E5377392C84B5108/pdf/S_16_0589-PROPOSED_PITCH_DEVELOPMENT-536165.pdf

Application documents at http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=O55PBGPT0EE00


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, July 2, 2016, 22:14:55
I see the training ground change of use has been granted by the council last week. Good news!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Mother Brown on Sunday, July 3, 2016, 20:45:13
So whats it going to be used for then ?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, July 3, 2016, 20:57:55
What are the Trust guys up to these days - other than raising the money for stratton bank improvements, not sure if they have meetings with stfc and would be able to ask questions ?

Raising money for a roof on the bank. Never going to happen even if they raise the funds. Too much red tape involved between club and council. Money could be better spent on the other 3 stands that do get used.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 4, 2016, 10:39:35
So whats it going to be used for then ?
Training?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, September 6, 2016, 21:39:29
Anymore news on the progress of this? Does anybody on here drive past the site & can see things taking shape?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 00:09:40
Anymore news on the progress of this? Does anybody on here drive past the site & can see things taking shape?

The game v Bassett last night was by way of a thank you for us being able to use their facilities for training....I'd imagine such grovelling means that is still the state of affairs.

The Highworth thing, is definitely a case of believe it when you see it, Steve Morgan...ex owner of Wolves reckons the project of plastering England with housing is still going swimmingly despite Brexit.

I'm not certain I'd wholly believe the new press fella if he tells me our owner doesn't want a piece of that action.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 06:48:05
This is from the infamous facebook group. Cant see it myself


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 08:18:26
Buying a golf course is like buying a house.....

But really, surely there there are lawyers involved and conveyancers and the like? The money would surely get paid during the process otherwise it would not complete?

I don't actually know for sure, but I'm calling bullshit.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 08:48:07
I was thinking the same. Surely if anyone had any sense it would go through solicitors. You don't just give someone a golf course and ask for the money after.

For one the deeds would need to be changed, which requires a solicitor/conveyancer.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 08:52:27
From recollection the planning forms submitted with the application included certificate a being completed which is the applicant declaring they own the land, as it was submitted on behalf of the club by an agent they would know what they are doing, if the declaration was false it would invalidate the consent.

Plus if the previous owner has transferred ownership without receiving the cash they are either incredibly naive or will have a lovely claim against their solicitor!

As for a lack of work on the ground the consent they have only relates to change of use and laying out a couple of pitches, so apart from some groundwork I am not sure what you would actually see without going into the site?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 08:56:08
So Peter Brown is just making shit up then?

What a fuck-nugget. No doubt there's plenty on that site that will lap it up with utter disregard as to whether or not it's actually true.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 09:01:40
Buying a golf course is like buying a house.....

But really, surely there there are lawyers involved and conveyancers and the like? The money would surely get paid during the process otherwise it would not complete?

I don't actually know for sure, but I'm calling bullshit.
Why did I read that first line as "buying a gold course is a lot like making love to a beautiful woman"....

(https://headswapboy.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/swiss-toni-800x450.jpg?w=1200)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 09:18:00
So Peter Brown is just making shit up then?

What a fuck-nugget. No doubt there's plenty on that site that will lap it up with utter disregard as to whether or not it's actually true.

No idea, how old are they all, looking at the snippet of profile pics they are all grown adults but most of the posts show a grasp of the English language and an understanding of the real world that would put many under 10's to shame.

They are just lucky that Power is not as lively as Owen Oyston or there could be some nasty letters popping through doors!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 09:25:14
Doesn't seem to be on there anymore. Maybe it was too much bullshit even for that group.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 16:23:52
Enlighten us that dont have facebook what was said please.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 16:39:56
Tans posted it as an attachment on the previous page.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 17:08:27
Cheers didnt show up for some reason, there now, this damn pc is going in next doors hedge


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 19:14:55
Any normal property deal you can't complete without transfer of funds so can't see how she wouldn't have been paid. Sounds like someone wanting to sound like they are 'in the know' but have chose a subject they know nothing about to BS about. Clever....


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 20:59:24
I drove past it tonight. It was dark. Couldn't see anything.

THEREFORE

It doesn't exist.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 21:57:23
I drove past it tonight. It was dark. Couldn't see anything.

THEREFORE

It doesn't exist.

I dare you to post that on the group. I bet people will agree.

In fact it might be an interesting experiment to see just how much bullshit one could come up with before any of them go "hang on a minute, that's probably unlikely"


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 22:01:54
I drove past it tonight. It was dark. Couldn't see anything.

THEREFORE

It doesn't exist.
Of course it does. The reason you couldn't see it is because it has been repossessed.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 22:05:22
Of course it does. The reason you couldn't see it is because it has been repossessed.

Why did they get rid of the old ghost?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 22:07:53
I dare you to post that on the group. I bet people will agree.



I honestly believe that some will.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 22:18:52
I dare you to post that on the group. I bet people will agree.

In fact it might be an interesting experiment to see just how much bullshit one could come up with before any of them go "hang on a minute, that's probably unlikely"
I dread to imagine the state some would get into if you came up with some far fetched tail of doom and gloom, they'd lap up anything as long as it's negative!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 22:21:42
It was only last week that some were entertaining the idea that the abandonment was all a money-making scheme.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 22:31:27
It was only last week that some were entertaining the idea that the abandonment was all a money-making scheme.
Did see that, shouldn't have started the game some were saying... I'm sure the league would have been fine with us postponing a game on a prestine pitch on the off chance it would rain a lot.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 7, 2016, 22:44:35
The accusation was that Power could have called off the match before kick-off, but chose not to because he could charge again for tickets if the match was abandoned rather than postponed.

Of course, plenty joined in as though this was definitely the case. Critical thinking seems to be a rare commodity on that group.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Ells on Thursday, September 8, 2016, 00:04:31
It'd be a reverse Occam's Razor - A Kostuik bellend, perhaps. I know someone who has worked at the CG for years and am technically ITK - I wonder where to start.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, September 8, 2016, 14:58:05
Looks like Cassidy is down there today judging by his Twitter so must be something going on.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 8, 2016, 15:38:38
Well the presence of a notorious cowboy like Butch Cassidy just confirms what we all think about Power.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, September 22, 2016, 20:35:36
Some positive news at least. Someone posted some photos of the new training ground earlier, pitches look pretty nice to be fair, looks like a proper job has been done.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 22, 2016, 20:42:01
Looks like the tee points have been kept on the old driving range, so that's how he plans to make money sell 100 balls and allow 'fans' to fire balls off at Rodgers!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, September 22, 2016, 20:51:40
Power said on Tuesday on BBC Wiltshire that the team go there on Fridays regularly now.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Mother Brown on Thursday, September 22, 2016, 21:25:20
Do  they go in that battered looking security van ,that's always parked inside the 5 bar gate . :sherlock:


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 22, 2016, 21:30:57
Power said on Tuesday on BBC Wiltshire that the team go there on Fridays regularly now.


Wonder if they'll be there tomorrow instead of going to Oldham? I assume we don't do overnight stays these days.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, September 22, 2016, 22:32:03
Some positive news at least. Someone posted some photos of the new training ground earlier, pitches look pretty nice to be fair, looks like a proper job has been done.
Got any links?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, September 22, 2016, 22:51:11
Got any links?
https://twitter.com/mattrainey3/status/779007055977975808


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, September 22, 2016, 23:55:56
That looks fantastic.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Friday, September 23, 2016, 12:41:18
https://twitter.com/mattrainey3/status/779007055977975808
Cheers m8. Looks really good, fair play.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Mother Brown on Friday, September 23, 2016, 20:38:55
Has the toxic subsoil been excavated, or did they just seed over the top ?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: ron dodgers on Saturday, September 24, 2016, 10:26:20
what toxic subsoil?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: A Gent Orange on Saturday, September 24, 2016, 11:32:58
Why do they want a flat pitch with grass on it? Most L1 pitches are rutted and sandy so they should be training on one of those. Typical of this namby-pamby tippy-tappy football shite!


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, September 24, 2016, 17:10:33
what toxic subsoil?

Toxic (facebook) Subsoil most likely. Or something that came out of the 200 foot sinkhole..


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 21:37:10
http://mobile.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/club-statement-town-reveal-plans-for-twelve-oaks-facility-3682762.aspx

First official confirmation that the Eady money is involved? Lots of new details there, and if the Eady trust are satisfied then it suggests that the facility will benefit the club even beyond Power's tenure. Promising?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 21:38:58
It sounds good, as long as it's an asset of the club and not Lee Power.
I don't want a training ground funded by the Eady money being rented to us when Power fucks off.


Title: New training ground
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 21:39:05
if the club own it, not power or holding company, it could be good.

have to say i thought power was already doing this.

fucking odd time to release a statement


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 21:41:59
Interesting use of the word "considering". I thought it was where the transfer money went. Does power still get his housing. As batch says a weird time for a statement


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 21:47:03
I took considering to just mean planning permission isn't in place yet rather than anything more malign. Maybe that's just me not being cynical enough...


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: otanswell on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 21:50:44
Hope he won't be charging rent on it


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Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 22:01:37
hope he won't be owning it full stop.

considering could mean lack of planning permission, or it could mean assessing the stipulations the Eady trust may put down.

who the fuck knows with power


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 22:05:42
I thought he said last season that work had started and they were hoping to start using it this season.

Must have been training playing 6 a side on the 14th hole putting green


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 22:10:06
My theory is the following. He's had enough and wants out, he will either rent to the club or will now or sell it outright with the club buying it with the Eadie money


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 22:29:52
interesting theory...


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 22:33:47
Definitely interesting.

Fuck knows what it means.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 22:46:17
Stupid decision.

Can't believe the Eady trustees let Power anywhere near the money


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Mrs Brown on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 22:46:23
1. Announcement timed to deflect the Bolton Bury result.
2. Training ground already being used in some capacity as Lukewarm likes to have his pre/post training coffee in the Co-op cafe in Highworth.  He was in there Saturday morning around 10am.  Unless he just likes the Co-op in Highworth, of course.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 09:06:35
My theory is the following. He's had enough and wants out, he will either rent to the club or will now or sell it outright with the club buying it with the Eadie money

The Eady money should be for Swindon, not Highworth. This is an opportunity to push on with the county ground site if the trust can get their arses in gear and make realistic offers. Combine the Eady money with the trust bid. Get some large companies from the town involved too


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 09:12:28
Stupid decision.

Can't believe the Eady trustees let Power anywhere near the money

We don't know they are. In fact, we don't know anything about this deal, so maybe let's hold up on slagging everyone off?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 09:20:28
if the club own it, not power or holding company, it could be good.
From the statement, seems the Nigel Eady Trust will own it or at least will own the site - does that mean the facilities on the site will be owned separately?

"The site has been secured initially by Chairman, Lee Power, and will be vested in the Nigel Eady Trust who are partnering the Club in the project. "


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 09:31:43
Let's hope then that Power has realized he isn't going to be able to build what  he wants


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 09:33:45
Sounds to me as if the Eady money has bought that part of the golf course earmarked for the training ground and will also pay for kitting it out.

Win win situation. Power retains a good chunk of the land, gets some money back off Eady and the club get a spanking new bespoke training ground whilst saving on the rent they are presently paying for training.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 09:54:08
 As ever, I'll believe it when I see it.  Bit of PR spin to try and offset our imminent arrival in Div 4.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 10:26:05
This was in Jan 2016, whats the holdup been then

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/14186272.display/


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Ralphy on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 10:29:54
Why has the Watford Observer got an article on us?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 10:39:27
not sure mate, its here also http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/sport/14186272.Power_aims_to_have_Town_at_new_base_in_summer/


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 11:29:56
I would guess that STFC will not own the land (as STFC is presumably effectively owned by Power and his to profit from).

I expect the Eady Trust will own the relevant part (offices and pitches).  The terms of the Eady Trust appear that it is to hold the land for the benefit of the club and, it seems, also "community". 

The cost of the building work may be subject to some "joint venture" agreement between the Eady Trust and Power.  There may well be a lease giving STFC responsibility for meeting the maintenance of the site (groundsman, business rates, buildings) but with a peppercorn rent. 

If the club's use of the premises could be funded by other associated fund raising activities associated with the Eady Trust's interest in the site, then that could be a fantastic benefit.  The Eady Trust will not allow itself to pass on any "capital" benefit from which 3rd parties like Power or future owners could personally benefit, I'm sure.  Hopefully the Eady Trust would be able to withdraw any benefit to STFC and allocate it to the Trust if ever STFC were being shafted by an owner.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 11:36:06
I would guess that STFC will not own the land (as STFC is presumably effectively owned by Power and his to profit from).

I expect the Eady Trust will own the relevant part (offices and pitches).  The terms of the Eady Trust appear that it is to hold the land for the benefit of the club and, it seems, also "community". 

The cost of the building work may be subject to some "joint venture" agreement between the Eady Trust and Power.  There may well be a lease giving STFC responsibility for meeting the maintenance of the site (groundsman, business rates, buildings) but with a peppercorn rent. 

If the club's use of the premises could be funded by other associated fund raising activities associated with the Eady Trust's interest in the site, then that could be a fantastic benefit.  The Eady Trust will not allow itself to pass on any "capital" benefit from which 3rd parties like Power or future owners could personally benefit, I'm sure.  Hopefully the Eady Trust would be able to withdraw any benefit to STFC and allocate it to the Trust if ever STFC were being shafted by an owner.

Sam Morshead has said on Twitter that the trust are buying the land off Power rather than the initial agreement of a peppercorn rent. I guess this is to give the club / trust the stability that the land can't be sold off / rent increased at a later date.

The trust / club will own the buildings, like the club own the stands but not the land of the CG, the club would be the maintainers of the facilities (like the CG). The facilities are supposedly going to be for community benefit so expect them to be rented out to other clubs / groups so it's in constant use and brings in additional revenue.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 12:32:55
Interesting and re-assuring further background there, thanks.

I would hope our "Trust" and the Eady Trust are in contact.  The acquisition of the CG could be a further plank in securing the club's future unless the new training ground signals any shift away, ground-wise, for the club.

It's a shame Power the individual always seems so "closed" as his "model", though tarnished somewhat, does have its attractions.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 12:39:07
Interesting and re-assuring further background there, thanks.

I would hope our "Trust" and the Eady Trust are in contact.  The acquisition of the CG could be a further plank in securing the club's future unless the new training ground signals any shift away, ground-wise, for the club.

It's a shame Power the individual always seems so "closed" as his "model", though tarnished somewhat, does have its attractions.

That's a possibility for the Eady trust and the truststfc to work together but it depends on how much is in the kitty and if the trust want the financial backing from it, the problem with the CG is although the ET and TSTFC could own the land of the CG, the club will still own the stands which then puts them in trouble if they fall out with the owner and they decide to move elsewhere...... the ET would want to own the stands and rent them to the club as part of the ground rent (which I believe is the trust stfc plan for the SB and TE).

The trust stfc seem to have the funds in place to buy the CG land without any help, they just need the council to agree to sell it to them at a figure they both find respectable.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 13:36:21


The trust stfc seem to have the funds in place to buy the CG land without any help, they just need the council to agree to sell it to them at a figure they both find respectable.

If true that is a concern as surely it would mean certain individuals would be loaning the money to the Trust so you would imaging have a hold over the CG until perhaps paid back.

But I read they was to offer bonds so fans could be able to have a stake in owning the club.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 13:42:37
Owning the ground, not the club.

Doesn't the Trust generally work on a on member one vote system?

I think it is far more likely that the Trust would be given the money to purchase the ground (or raise it through members). They will not loan it, that would be madness.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 13:48:00
The sooner this gets sorted the better. Training exclusively on a 3G pitch can only contributed to our dismal performances and our ridiculous number of injuries. It's nothing like real grass and much harder on the body.
Now it appears that it will be immune from the risk of third party ownership this can only be a positive.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 13:48:37
the problem with the CG is although the ET and TSTFC could own the land of the CG, the club will still own the stands which then puts them in trouble if they fall out with the owner and they decide to move elsewhere.


This seems to be a recurring issue raised, the two stands of any useful function are the Arkells and DRS, however one is in excess of 40 years old and the other at least 20, in any such structure the only bits that can be reused are the steel framing and in all cases this has to be extracted from the cladding material and have all the concrete and brick removed. From professional experience demolition costs a lot more than people think and on that basis alone I would conclude that neither of the stands have any real value and in both cases it would probably be cheaper to buy new than try and extract these from the CG site (at great cost), transport somewhere else (at cost) and then rebuild (at further cost). It just ain't going to happen.

If true that is a concern as surely it would mean certain individuals would be loaning the money to the Trust so you would imaging have a hold over the CG until perhaps paid back.


This has always been my concern likewise, plus if the Trust have got the money to buy the CG they have kept that bloody quiet from all those signing up to support the cause?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 13:49:54
If true that is a concern as surely it would mean certain individuals would be loaning the money to the Trust so you would imaging have a hold over the CG until perhaps paid back.

But I read they was to offer bonds so fans could be able to have a stake in owning the club.

The fans will be able to buy bonds but there is a group of businessmen who are willing to put the majority of the money needed up to buy the ground, they were initially going to invest into roofing the SB but decided they couldn't as they wouldn't own the SB, they put the motion forward to the trust that they would give the trust the money they need only if the trust owned the ground (not the stands). This means the trust then have collateral and have income coming into keep maintaining the SB and other things.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 13:57:38
This seems to be a recurring issue raised, the two stands of any useful function are the Arkells and DRS, however one is in excess of 40 years old and the other at least 20, in any such structure the only bits that can be reused are the steel framing and in all cases this has to be extracted from the cladding material and have all the concrete and brick removed. From professional experience demolition costs a lot more than people think and on that basis alone I would conclude that neither of the stands have any real value and in both cases it would probably be cheaper to buy new than try and extract these from the CG site (at great cost), transport somewhere else (at cost) and then rebuild (at further cost). It just ain't going to happen.

Realistically, apart from the DR, all the stands need knocking down and rebuilding but that comes at a great expense (the DR can be extended especially with exec boxes in the middle). It's not going to happen for a very long time as raising that sort of money isn't easy and the trust / club will want to own the land before they go spending 10m+ on building brand new stands BUT the club desperately need them to increase attendances and also to increase matchday revenue.

If the club were to leave the CG they could sell the stands for scrap and make a pretty penny from that leaving the trust with nothing on the land so they have a dead duck of grass but no use for it, so they realistically have to keep the club and it's owners on good terms in the future.

I like the way things are going recently with the training facility and the ground purchase but Power needs to step up and do his part to try and put some life back into the team as it's kind of wilting at the moment.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 14:02:33
The fans will be able to buy bonds but there is a group of businessmen who are willing to put the majority of the money needed up to buy the ground.
But these 'businessmen' are either going to want their money back (with interest? and thus a loan) or will own the ground which will potentially bring us into a third party ownership scenario like the Kassam, unless they have promised just to give a million notes to the Trust. At least with the Council owning we have some certainty that with their ineptitude they are unlikely to have the appetite or professional ability to screw us over.


If the club were to leave the CG they could sell the stands for scrap and make a pretty penny from that leaving the trust with nothing on the land so they have a dead duck of grass but no use for it, so they realistically have to keep the club and it's owners on good terms in the future.


They will struggle to make a pretty penny, scrap values are not to bad but that's clean scrap steel, steel that has concrete bonded to it all over the place and still forms part of a building isn't worth very much as its a pain in the arse to move and process.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 14:09:11
Interesting concerns on third party funding and clearance costs and values.  It would be better for TSTFC not to own the Ground than invite a Kassam situation.  I think that the club not owning the Ground has indeed protected the club in the past.

The risk of the club changing grounds in the future does surely pose a serious question for TSTFC.  

One would hope that some alternative development of the land could be made (with pre-agreed split re possible planning gain between SBC and TSTFC) with some sporting aspect to any development/and or financial inducement taking care of the Goddard sporting covenant (if enforceable).  It might even have to be sold for a land bank of some builder.

TSTFC could then reinvest in any new ground project if invited, re-pay any bondholders or other investors in its CG project and/or be better equipped to buy STFC.

Certainly there do seem to be some off-field reasons to be cheerful - though this time 6 or 7 years ago some of us were dreaming that 2017 might see a shiny, re-developed CG hosting sustainable Championship football.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 14:13:40
But these 'businessmen' are either going to want their money back (with interest? and thus a loan) or will own the ground which will potentially bring us into a third party ownership scenario like the Kassam, unless they have promised just to give a million notes to the Trust. At least with the Council owning we have some certainty that with their ineptitude they are unlikely to have the appetite or professional ability to screw us over.

That's a question for the trust but I believe they would be putting in the money on the same terms as fans which are bonds, they can't call in / sell their bonds and can't ask for their money back, it's basically a donation to the trust.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 14:20:19
Certainly there do seem to be some off-field reasons to be cheerful - though this time 6 or 7 years ago some of us were dreaming that 2017 might see a shiny, re-developed CG hosting sustainable Championship football.

how times change eh? Unfortunately even the greatest plans go down the shitter and basically it's the same as it's always been at stfc, poor financial management which then leads the club to be sold onto the next person to try and change things.

For all his faults, Power is trying to be open about his ultimate goals, he said from the start he was never going to finance the club personally so the club would have to run at break even, he would get the club it's own training facility and get us championship within 3 years or something.

He hasn't given us the championship football yet but there is some optimism about the other things, it maybe that getting us to the championship is beyond what he can do on the budgets he has set so possibly will need to sell on now he has partially completed the other things he set out to do (profitable club / training facility). Things look bleak on the football side but overall the club seems to be in a good position, just needs some investment in the team, will that be from Power? time will tell.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 16:36:12
I know fuck all about these things, but can there not be a scenario whereby the present CG site is sold for development to the highest bidder, SBC take their 2m or whatever it is they would accept from the Trust and then reinvest the remainder in a new stadium somewhere else in the borough.

The CG site must be worth a fortune if allowed to be developed commercially.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 16:54:55
I know fuck all about these things, but can there not be a scenario whereby the present CG site is sold for development to the highest bidder, SBC take their 2m or whatever it is they would accept from the Trust and then reinvest the remainder in a new stadium somewhere else in the borough.

The CG site must be worth a fortune if allowed to be developed commercially.

It has a covenant on it so can only be used for sporting purposes, hence why the council won't let the club move away from the ground as they would have a useless piece of land they won't get 200k rent from  :-[


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 16:56:27
oh ffs.... calling Pauld ...covenant claxon


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 17:04:03
It has a covenant on it so can only be used for sporting purposes, hence why the council won't let the club move away from the ground as they would have a useless piece of land they won't get 200k rent from  :-[
Don't get PaulD started as I did a couple of weeks ago ;)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 17:05:15
It has a covenant on it so can only be used for sporting purposes, hence why the council won't let the club move away from the ground as they would have a useless piece of land they won't get 200k rent from  :-[

I will let the Covenant King answer that point, but I am more intrigued regarding the manner that the Council 'won't let the club move away from the ground' as the club only have (I think) a rolling lease at the moment they could fuck off with probably a years? notice and there is nothing the Council could do - bar hit them with some dilapidation claims.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 17:14:26
I will let the Covenant King answer that point, but I am more intrigued regarding the manner that the Council 'won't let the club move away from the ground' as the club only have (I think) a rolling lease at the moment they could fuck off with probably a years? notice and there is nothing the Council could do - bar hit them with some dilapidation claims.

The club would have to buy land to put the new ground on, guess who owns a lot of the land in the Swindon borough? Now lets say that the club get hold of some land, they need planning permission to build anything in on that land, guess who runs that? The club have come up with many plans to either rebuild the cg or move to a new stadium over the years and the council always step in the way e.g.

- was going to be something up by the M4 J15 - didn't happen as it's not brownfield land, but they can build a hospital
- was going to be where whitchelstow is now - didn't happen
- was going to be north swindon (shaw) - didn't happen

http://www.swindontown-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/stadium_plans_rejected_167407/index.shtml

The council will do as much as they can to stop the club moving as they don't want them out of the town as they will lose 200k a year in rent, thousands in taxes and the numerous other things that the football depends on including bus users, parking etc.

The only chance of the club getting anything new would be to build it out of the Swindon borough (so either down by chippenham or up by Hungerford).


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 17:26:09
The club would have to buy land to put the new ground on, guess who owns a lot of the land in the Swindon borough? Now lets say that the club get hold of some land, they need planning permission to build anything in on that land, guess who runs that? The club have come up with many plans to either rebuild the cg or move to a new stadium over the years and the council always step in the way e.g.

- was going to be something up by the M4 J15 - didn't happen as it's not brownfield land, but they can build a hospital
- was going to be where whitchelstow is now - didn't happen
- was going to be north swindon (shaw) - didn't happen

http://www.swindontown-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/stadium_plans_rejected_167407/index.shtml

The council will do as much as they can to stop the club moving as they don't want them out of the town as they will lose 200k a year in rent, thousands in taxes and the numerous other things that the football depends on including bus users, parking etc.

The only chance of the club getting anything new would be to build it out of the Swindon borough (so either down by chippenham or up by Hungerford).
I mean this in the nicest possible way but none of that makes any sense whatsoever to me


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 17:28:30
Gareth. Your posts would be more agreeable if you stopped stating your opinion as a fact.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 17:29:57
Gareth. Your posts would be more agreeable if you stopped stating your opinion as a fact.

Gareth doesn't really get this shit.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 17:38:29
The club would have to buy land to put the new ground on, guess who owns a lot of the land in the Swindon borough?


Have the Council ever refused to sell any land to the club? They don't own all the land do they?

Now lets say that the club get hold of some land, they need planning permission to build anything in on that land, guess who runs that? The club have come up with many plans to either rebuild the cg or move to a new stadium over the years and the council always step in the way e.g.

- was going to be something up by the M4 J15 - didn't happen as it's not brownfield land, but they can build a hospital
- was going to be where whitchelstow is now - didn't happen
- was going to be north swindon (shaw) - didn't happen

http://www.swindontown-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/stadium_plans_rejected_167407/index.shtml


As a Planning Consultant I am entirely aware who grants planning permissions ;), I am also aware that in each of the cases you have outlined the case for a new ground has been very flawed in planning terms from day 1, as illustrated by the fact, I suspect, that the club have never bothered to appeal any of the refusals to PINS, as for the link you have added not sure what that actually says although it does perpetuate the myth regarding light and the Bank?

Likewise if the Council were to sell some land to the club for a new ground any planning decision would not actually be made by the Council at all as it would have to be referred to the Secretary of State (Actually the Planning Casework Unit in Birmingham) to determine as the Council would have a financial interest in the decision.


The council will do as much as they can to stop the club moving as they don't want them out of the town as they will lose 200k a year in rent, thousands in taxes and the numerous other things that the football depends on including bus users, parking etc.


Possibly so, but likewise the club have royally pissed the Council off over the years by not paying their rent and thus I suspect the feeling with many members is not as clear cut as portrayed! In terms of Council budgets 200k PA is not much more than petty cash?

I am not for a minute saying the Council are perfect, from professional experience they are really not (they are a pain!), but if the club had actually approached things better through various ownership's something could have been achieved and to lay the blame at the Councils feet ignores that fact.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: garethgillman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 18:17:06
I am not for a minute saying the Council are perfect, from professional experience they are really not (they are a pain!), but if the club had actually approached things better through various ownership's something could have been achieved and to lay the blame at the Councils feet ignores that fact.


Sorry if it wasn't made clear but that was my opinion and not facts, the council have a vested interest in the club being at the CG so rightly or wrongly it seems like they have or would do as much as they can to try and keep the club in the town rather than let them rebuild elsewhere in the borough.

It's not just the 200k PA that the club pay, it's everything else that goes with it including the usability of the land, the footfall to the town and the rates charged to the businesses that rely on the football (pubs etc).

More I think about it, that was just a rant about how it seems from an outsider where as councils like Reading and Oxford seemed more willing to help their clubs. Hopefully the trust, council and Power (STFC) are able to build bridges and put something together which finally sees something done about the CG as it's in a poor state after years of failed promises.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 18:55:20
Gareth... the policy of SBC under the Tories is to divest themselves of any assets, which may be seen as community useful as they don't turn a profit for their business donor chums. At the moment, they're looking to sell the CG, legally they have to abide by the ACV, but if that fails then it will go to a developer. These are dangerous times.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 19:01:10
The club would have to buy land to put the new ground on, guess who owns a lot of the land in the Swindon borough? Now lets say that the club get hold of some land, they need planning permission to build anything in on that land, guess who runs that? The club have come up with many plans to either rebuild the cg or move to a new stadium over the years and the council always step in the way e.g.

- was going to be something up by the M4 J15 - didn't happen as it's not brownfield land, but they can build a hospital
- was going to be where whitchelstow is now - didn't happen
- was going to be north swindon (shaw) - didn't happen

http://www.swindontown-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/stadium_plans_rejected_167407/index.shtml

The council will do as much as they can to stop the club moving as they don't want them out of the town as they will lose 200k a year in rent, thousands in taxes and the numerous other things that the football depends on including bus users, parking etc.

The only chance of the club getting anything new would be to build it out of the Swindon borough (so either down by chippenham or up by Hungerford).
You write all that and then manage to undermine your own post in the last paragraph. STFC could easily leave the borough and carry on in some guise. Hell it could relinquish its league status and play at Supermarine if it wanted to and there's very little the council could do. In terms of buying land I doubt there's that much worth having that the council haven't already sold, the golf course was bought privately for example.  I would imagine most land suitable for ground would be owned by the likes of Oxford University or private individuals.
Most of the schemes you mention above were never going to happen as they were in highly controversial locations, had parties involved with highly questions motives and most importantly the club didn't actually have a plan or money to build a stadium without including thousands of houses to finance the schemes making them even more controversial.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 07:06:22
Erm

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15233692.No_commitment_yet_from_Eady_Trust_to_Town_project/?ref=twtrec


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 07:22:40
Erm

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15233692.No_commitment_yet_from_Eady_Trust_to_Town_project/?ref=twtrec

Oooh it's like the old days.

Club statement tomorrow, please.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 08:31:42
Sorry if it wasn't made clear but that was my opinion and not facts, the council have a vested interest in the club being at the CG so rightly or wrongly it seems like they have or would do as much as they can to try and keep the club in the town rather than let them rebuild elsewhere in the borough.


Sorry to keep picking you up but again you don't appear to have provided any firm evidence to support this supposition.


It's not just the 200k PA that the club pay, it's everything else that goes with it including the usability of the land, the footfall to the town and the rates charged to the businesses that rely on the football (pubs etc).


Does match day bring that much footfall, as an outsider (but home supporter) I have only ever walked from the station to the ground and back on a match day, never been into the town centre (in fact cannot remember lat time I was in Swindon town centre, probably 30+ years ago to be honest), and away fans will do the same if they travel by train?

As for business rates the Council has the cost and ball ache of collecting them but only keeps a comparatively small proportion, the majority goes to central government?

Finally I think we sadly have to face the fact that the club does not mean that much to the overwhelming % of the population of the Borough, and thus is not a high priority for elected members, based upon the 2011 census the Borough has a population of c.209,000 and at a high estimate we get say 7,000 home fans per game.... thats c.3%....


More I think about it, that was just a rant about how it seems from an outsider where as councils like Reading and Oxford seemed more willing to help their clubs. Hopefully the trust, council and Power (STFC) are able to build bridges and put something together which finally sees something done about the CG as it's in a poor state after years of failed promises.

In terms of Reading the Council were not that helpful as the club had to fund and build a bloody great road a part of the deal, plus the site was one which was a ballache to develop due to its former use, I would suspect that if SBC had a former dump that needed remediation for development they would be happy to offer it to STFC for a new home, likewise I would rather we did not end up on an industrial estate next to a sewage works (there is a definite trend here). In both cases Councils appear to have identified pain in the arse sites and seen the football club as a method to kick start development, whereas STFC have gone for sites with substantive planning issues - does Swindon have any such sites?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 08:47:40
Erm

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15233692.No_commitment_yet_from_Eady_Trust_to_Town_project/?ref=twtrec

The club statement itself was very non committal "considering..." and (the Eady money) "could be used" stating it could be 2 years before its ready.

This article just put the timeline in place. Its very very early in the process and as Reg says - I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't however think its a bad thing for the club. The devil is of course in the detail - is the land suitable, will it get through planning. what else is Power proposing for his own land as part of the development, is he selling back to the club at cost or taking the piss and looking for profit...
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The thing that has pissed me off, he made a big song and dance about buying this and developing it for the club (for this year?). He's seemingly done fuck all in reality.

Either he's realised he's bitten off more than he can chew, or he's full of shit.
Or he's executing an exit strategy, but I think that's a bit optimistic/pessimistic*.

* delete as appropriate dependent on fullness of your glass.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 08:58:07
Just backs up my theory really. This is just a very public for sale advert by Power in my opinion


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 09:13:14
The club's statement was carefully worded. The Eady's statement does not contradict it, although that wont stop many acting as though it does.

As for everything else... I duuno.  


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 09:51:15
Just backs up my theory really. This is just a very public for sale advert by Power in my opinion

A growing consensus - has he got what he wanted all along, the plot of land out at Highworth? The club's certainly in a better position for sale if wheels are in motion for assets at the training ground and a fan-owned stadium (obviously completely depending on the terms of both of those, which none of us know).

A long and interesting road ahead I'd imagine, but seems to me too that this is another step on the exit strategy (Waterford being the first one).


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 10:54:26
could be

but equally could be a no cost to power solution to improving  his academy turd polishing model. better training facilities= better chance of recruitment .


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 11:17:44
 This is all getting distinctly weird.

 DRS and PP, could you explain why you think this is Power flagging up a sale of the club?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 11:19:40
Just backs up my theory really. This is just a very public for sale advert by Power in my opinion
Or DPDS jumping the gun as usual, same as they did on the TipStad fiasco


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 11:27:30
Or DPDS jumping the gun as usual, same as they did on the TipStad fiasco
Would usually go that route but the fact the club issued a statement this time suggests Power has a lot more to do with it.

Reg it is literally just a gut feeling i have.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 11:28:14
Or DPDS jumping the gun as usual, same as they did on the TipStad fiasco

The line saying DPDS had been involved for years with STFC planning matters is hardly encouraging.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Tails on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 11:38:38
What is DPDS?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 11:43:02
What is DPDS?
They're a planning consultancy. They were the ones who did the grand unveiling of the TipStad scheme with Mike Bawden et al back in the day. Shortly before it went TipsUp. Due to not having been properly thought out and a bit unlawful. Oh, and TalkTalk :)


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 11:47:51
The club would have to buy land to put the new ground on, guess who owns a lot of the land in the Swindon borough? Now lets say that the club get hold of some land, they need planning permission to build anything in on that land, guess who runs that? The club have come up with many plans to either rebuild the cg or move to a new stadium over the years and the council always step in the way e.g.

- was going to be something up by the M4 J15 - didn't happen as it's not brownfield land, but they can build a hospital
- was going to be where whitchelstow is now - didn't happen
- was going to be north swindon (shaw) - didn't happen
Of the 3 plans you list, none went further than a back page story in the Adver other than the Shaw (TipStad) scheme, which was launched jointly with the then leader of the council. So hardly the council standing in the club's way! It foundered because it was posited on the council selling the club the CG for housing, but at an undeveloped price. Which they weren't lawfully allowed to do. Oh, and Shaw is in West Swindon, not North Swindon.

The only chance of the club getting anything new would be to build it out of the Swindon borough (so either down by chippenham or up by Hungerford).
Bollocks. We have an excellent site for a stadium, which should benefit the club, the town and fans if properly developed. The club is Swindon Town, Chippenham and Hungerford already have teams.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 13:07:45
They're a planning consultancy. They were the ones who did the grand unveiling of the TipStad scheme with Mike Bawden et al back in the day. Shortly before it went TipsUp. Due to not having been properly thought out and a bit unlawful. Oh, and TalkTalk :)

But this time they have seemingly launched it with Fraser Digby involved who seems to be working for Power on this project, I assume it is just in an 'overseeing' capacity and Power trusts him to represent his interests with him being out of the country, not sure if it is just on the training ground  or for the winder development of the land as well.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 13:18:06
DPDS are up in Old Town, by the Arts Centre.  They seem all right, the consistent failing in STFC planning proposals is more likely STFC and/or the Council Leadership.

This all looks generally positive I would have thought.  You can bet if the Eady money gets used it will tie the club up in knots to ensure it is for the benefit of the club.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 14:15:36
But this time they have seemingly launched it with Fraser Digby involved who seems to be working for Power on this project, I assume it is just in an 'overseeing' capacity and Power trusts him to represent his interests with him being out of the country, not sure if it is just on the training ground  or for the winder development of the land as well.

My niece text me yesterday saying just had a meeting with Digby, I asked what about and she replied training ground. Apparently she now does some part time work for Highworth council.
Beyond that she wouldn't elaborate  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 16:48:18
What is DPDS?

A Planning consultancy http://www.dpds.co.uk/ , I had an interview with them when I left University about 20 years back but they didn't give me a job, STFC would no doubt have a new ground already if they had employed me .....  :D (not really!)

The Adver story is very sketchy in areas so I suspect that not too much should be read into its content, I think the only conclusions can be drawn are that a) the Club and Eady Trustees are talking and b) someone has spoken to Highworth Town Council about it. Both entirely logical things to do, but probably too soon to be drawing any conclusions (be them negative or positive).


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 17:02:08
I think the only conclusions can be drawn are that a) the Club and Eady Trustees are talking and b) someone has spoken to Highworth Town Council about it.
On b), it seems according to Sam Morsehead's twitter, that this accounts for the slightly odd timing of the club statement on Tuesday night - they (the club and DPDS) had a meeting with Highworth Council on Tues to update Highworth Council on their (club/DPDS) progress/proposals and the club decided that they should go public about what was happening rather than have half details and rumours leak out. Which seems reasonable, tbf.


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 19:43:32
I thought half details and rumours is what has leaked out from the club?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: Mother Brown on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 21:39:25
Is that security van still parked by the gates ?


Title: Re: New training ground
Post by: red sheldon on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 21:49:48
I thought half details and rumours is what has leaked out from the club?

No its goals that have leaked!