Let's Get Political!

[horlock07]

Part of the problem for Bercow is that he looks and sounds like the sort of petty tyrant for whom bullying would be a way of life.

I would be amazed if these allegations aren't the tip of the iceberg.

Possibly so, although the cynic may wonder why these stories about a Speaker who has shown himself perfectly prepared to ensure that the government sticks strictly to parliamentary procedure have come out now?

[donkey]

Yes, agree there. Also think your analogy is very apt - our Brexit "team" is very much San Marino, but sadly in their own minds Davis, Johnson and Fox think they're Germany.

They're the Germany of cricket

[jayohaitchenn]

[horlock07]

Don't you be coming here with evidence, that is so 2015.....

[jayohaitchenn]

The obvious counter to the facts would be that expectation is not the same as desire, but still telling.

[Sir red ken]

Don't you be coming here with evidence, that is so 2015.....

That's a bbc pole and so can be dismissed without question. They report the facts the way they want them, which is why they get millions every year from the EU to pump propaganda. Nothing to see here folks just a one sided corruption version of events.

[horlock07]

That's a bbc pole and so can be dismissed without question. They report the facts the way they want them, which is why they get millions every year from the EU to pump propaganda. Nothing to see here folks just a one sided corruption version of events.

The BBC have designated Polish people now...,. weird....

[pauld]

That's a bbc pole and so can be dismissed without question. They report the facts the way they want them, which is why they get millions every year from the EU to pump propaganda. Nothing to see here folks just a one sided corruption version of events.

[Batch]

The obvious counter to the facts would be that expectation is not the same as desire, but still telling.

yeah, people didn't know what they voted for.

[Posh Red]

So that’s 35% of the 38% of eligible voters that voted to leave who want to leave the single market, a crushing majority;)

[jayohaitchenn]

So that’s 35% of the 38% of eligible voters that voted to leave who want to leave the single market, a crushing majority;)

*Expected* to leave the common market. A suble distinction, but distinct none the less.

[RedRag]

I think the point is that there were a number of polls around the referendum time with Single Market/Norway/EEA friendly leave voters falling between 10-30%. Let's call them "liberal leavers".

A "harder line leaver" can argue what the implications of a vote to leave might or ought to have been.  This is rather patronising towards the liberal leavers however.  Remainers and liberal leavers can counter argue.

However, NEVER can it be said that there was any actual majority at the time against a Single Market or Norway type outcome.  Talk of democratic mandates or betrayal is laughable.

That is now parliament's job.  May even called an election (repealing the fixed term law to seek, so she claimed,  a mandate to negotiate her preferred leave terms).  Another democratic vote.

All we can now do is stand by, argumentatively perhaps but helplessly, and watch the system play itself out and hope (against hope) that it serves us well.

[Legends-Lounge]

These straws that seem to be clutched and waved about, are they biodegradable?

[BambooToTheFuture]

These straws that seem to be clutched and waved about, are they biodegradable?

Not yet, some are but in the near future they all will be... sorry, wrong Topic?

[Ardiles]

So the bellwether of Swindon has voted for more of the same, pointedly refusing to turn towards Labour.  Interesting times.  I wonder whether we have now reached 'Peak Corbyn'?