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« Reply #11190 on: Friday, March 12, 2021, 17:02:55 »

Again, not saying that. But you know that. OK so you're happy with (or at least complacent about) a govt that normalises corruption, undermining the rule of law, and attacks on the judiciary because other govts have been a bit shit. What I'm saying it's dangerous to be complacent about this, that it's different from the being shit that we've seen before and that what they're doing fundamentally undermines the mechanisms you're relying on to hold them accountable. It is not Conservatism, it is Trumpism.
Nope not happy but not prepared to do anything other than vote them out. I'm working on the basis that when it comes to legalities etc the opposition leader is in a better place to first of all understand fully the issues given his background and secondly to galvanise opinion behind them. If they can't do that then there will be no change. Opposition parties need to call out and then communicate effectively to the electorate, no opposition parties can do this currently.
If they get democratically voted in again then tough shit. I think it was Churchill said democracy is the worst form of government until you consider the others.
Basically, democracy works best when you have a strong opposition. Ours are fucking useless. I hate the house of lords but with a big majority that are the best opposition normally....and i know they are full of cronies but both sides are equally to blame.
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« Reply #11191 on: Friday, March 12, 2021, 17:07:46 »

Nope not happy but not prepared to do anything other than vote them out. I'm working on the basis that when it comes to legalities etc the opposition leader is in a better place to first of all understand fully the issues given his background and secondly to galvanise opinion behind them. If they can't do that then there will be no change. Opposition parties need to call out and then communicate effectively to the electorate, no opposition parties can do this currently.
If they get democratically voted in again then tough shit. I think it was Churchill said democracy is the worst form of government until you consider the others.
Basically, democracy works best when you have a strong opposition. Ours are fucking useless. I hate the house of lords but with a big majority that are the best opposition normally....and i know they are full of cronies but both sides are equally to blame.

Things would improve hugely if the fucking Speaker did what he was supposed to do instead of purely making sure he gets his knighthood when his term ends!

Problem Labour have at the moment is that a) with vaccination going quite well Johnson is getting a bit of a bounce and b) they are basically facing two opponents at the moment with Rachel Swindon etc seeming happier to stir the shit rather than say anything about the Tories.

My one hope is that off the back of this weeks PMQ's Starmer starts using at least one question to list the lies and demand the record be corrected each week.
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« Reply #11192 on: Friday, March 12, 2021, 17:11:36 »

Things would improve hugely if the fucking Speaker did what he was supposed to do instead of purely making sure he gets his knighthood when his term ends!

Problem Labour have at the moment is that a) with vaccination going quite well Johnson is getting a bit of a bounce and b) they are basically facing two opponents at the moment with Rachel Swindon etc seeming happier to stir the shit rather than say anything about the Tories.

My one hope is that off the back of this weeks PMQ's Starmer starts using at least one question to list the lies and demand the record be corrected each week.
The previous speaker was venerated by being totally biased.
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« Reply #11193 on: Friday, March 12, 2021, 17:13:12 »

The previous speaker was venerated by being totally biased.

Possibly so, but he would not have allowed a PM to lie incessantly with no reprimand whatsoever. There is some irony that we had a conservative speaker that the Tories hated and a labour one which they love.
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« Reply #11194 on: Friday, March 12, 2021, 17:15:48 »

Basically, democracy works best when you have a strong opposition. Ours are fucking useless.
Completely agree there. The press/broadcast media should also act as a check on govt. And ditto, failing to do their job. Finally, the courts and laws should act as a check on the unrestrained power of the executive. Which is why govt ignoring the law and attacking the courts is so dangerous. If parliament, the press and the courts cannot hold the govt to account, then there is no restraint on govt, and no accountability, as RedRag rightly pointed out. If that continues, the once every five years holding to account by the electorate is going to be little more than a rubber stamp. Because there'll always be a "But Corbyn...."
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« Reply #11195 on: Friday, March 12, 2021, 17:45:05 »

I think you should write a strongly worded letter to Mr Buckland - that will tell them, Paul!
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« Reply #11196 on: Friday, March 12, 2021, 18:14:21 »

Completely agree there. The press/broadcast media should also act as a check on govt. And ditto, failing to do their job. Finally, the courts and laws should act as a check on the unrestrained power of the executive. Which is why govt ignoring the law and attacking the courts is so dangerous. If parliament, the press and the courts cannot hold the govt to account, then there is no restraint on govt, and no accountability, as RedRag rightly pointed out. If that continues, the once every five years holding to account by the electorate is going to be little more than a rubber stamp. Because there'll always be a "But Corbyn...."

Extreme governments of either wing (fascist/communist) are actually rather similar in their actions and can often be characterised by very similar traits, traits rather frighteningly this government is showing many of these, someone else has compiled the below...

Willful destruction of UK value to serve a "peoples collective" idea of dubious gain;

A casual disdain for small and large business, crippled with taxes;

Massive corruption of the state machine at every level of purchasing and procurement;

A politburo of non-entity underachieving apparatchiks whose only "achievement" is a complete lack of interest in evidence when it conflicts with The Party or self's goals, or just ignorant bias;

A figurehead half dead inept supreme leader, taking orders from the shady barons who are really in charge;

A media wholly owned by the Party's proxies, suppressing any difficult news, or, failing that, hacking tech, breaking privacy laws or ultimately fabricating news;

Active and aggressive threats to  neighbour states which do not share the ideology;

Orwellian levels of deception, misrepresentation and wild lies about those states created by the proxy media;

A mostly irrelevant "Parliament", there for window dressing, and to be ignored;

Crippling generational debt for 'state investments' with funds syphoned off to Party donors;

Absolute central control even when proven to be actively harmful to state or citizen;

The constant reference to bourgeoisie liberal elites who "levelled down" the hard-working proletariat;

Balkanisation of regions desperate to escape the corrupt centre, but held back, undemocratically, and against their will;

10s of thousands dead, not through natural causes or disease but through the negligence of those in authority who are accountable to no-one;

Politburo members planning to put themselves above the rule of law;

While removing the limited legal protections, we citizens have against the State machine;

Legalised state bribery (grants - see IMA NI) for politburo members & license to kill laws to be used by politburo at will;

A poitical fantasy of draconian powers of detention, investigation and mass incarceration;

Gestapo-like unreported legal changes, e.g. the State may now section you on the signature of just one (down from 2) doctors;
Your previous right to appeal has been REMOVED;
Your rights to be held for no longer than reasonable, gone;
You may now be locked up indefinitely at the whim of a host of local Government or Quango stooges;
And where do you appeal? Which court hears your case?
You don't and can't.
Priti Patel decides your fate (no joke)

A citizen may now be made stateless, not through principled review, nor legal determination, but at the whim of a political politburo member;

And anyone who dares speak up against this State of Total Alliegence? A traitor, a spy, doing the county down;

The opposition, an idea on which the mother of all Parliaments was built, the very reason the benches sit two sword lengths apart, is no more;

Ideas aren't scrutinised or examined;

Opponents are insulted: lacking in patriotism. Laws of massive import are waived unchecked;

Massive propaganda to support the irreconcilable contradictions of rhetoric
It's all about fish, yet fish rot
It's all about farmers, yet meat and crops rot
It's all about borders, yet borders are thrown open to a virus
It's all about NHS yet staff need to pay for visas.
It's all about sovereignty, yet sovereignty Parliament is disregarded and sidelines.
It's all about controlling money yet money is lower and falling
It's all about new trade yet deals are about getting us back to where we were already
And it's all about freedom and independence when we have never lived less free, been less able to control our destiny and are massively dependent on the Global Science community supporting or vaccines
(Even if Government would have you believe we made ours alone in a field)

And why the levelling down of achievements of previous generations while corruption is levelled up.
From right to buy to can never afford to buy a home
Expect a pension to expect not to retire
Jobs with benefits to jobs with no contracts and no rights
Life expectancy FALLING
Protections if you have cancer or otherwise become critically ill to fired after 3 months because you failed to attend work.
Erasmus to Turing. The providing of useful to the provision of the completely useless.
Levelling up or 350m a week for the NHS?
We're levelling down faster that ever before. While we take from the NHS.
But don't believe me, there's good data on this.
Most dead
Worst economy
Going backwards in levelling up, which should be impossible.
If all that wasn't enough, The Party plans voter registration and documentation;
to eliminate voting fraud which doesn't exist and ensure party loyalists can vote however and for whomever they wish, so long as it's for THE PARTY.

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FWIW I would not be surprised to see an election in the not too distant, the government is falling apart, Brexit is only going to get worse, Johnson has fucked that up, he is losing Scotland and NI. Brexit was Johnsons policy, he has staked his PMship on it and its going shite, if he resigns the party are still riven with cracks on Brexit so to replace him they need to get behind another avowed Brexiteer, not sure who that is, even an 80 majority doesn't work if the governing party cannot agree about anything.
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« Reply #11197 on: Saturday, March 13, 2021, 00:09:18 »

The previous speaker was venerated by being totally biased.

Totally? He was a tory.
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« Reply #11198 on: Friday, March 19, 2021, 11:46:45 »

I reckon this is a quite brilliant analysis of our Glorious Leader.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/mar/18/all-hail-the-clown-king-how-boris-johnson-made-it-by-playing-the-fool
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« Reply #11199 on: Friday, March 19, 2021, 11:56:09 »

I also find it strange that the press don't jump on the "we want to make homes more affordable" tagline. In offering 5% mortgages, for example, they are not addressing the key issue/problem that the pay and rights of workers are seriously lacking. That is also what they should be looking at.
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« Reply #11200 on: Friday, March 19, 2021, 11:58:22 »

I also find it strange that the press don't jump on the "we want to make homes more affordable" tagline. In offering 5% mortgages, for example, they are not addressing the key issue/problem that the pay and rights of workers are seriously lacking. That is also what they should be looking at.


In order to be a member of "the press" you have to live in London and work for free for a few years at the start of your career.
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« Reply #11201 on: Friday, March 19, 2021, 19:44:34 »

I'm a libertarian anarchist so any of you right wing cunts think you are right wing
.... no you fucking are not
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« Reply #11202 on: Saturday, March 27, 2021, 13:11:58 »

Is it currently legal for political parties to be out canvassing/leafletting for the upcoming May election during lockdown?
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« Reply #11203 on: Saturday, March 27, 2021, 13:16:01 »

Is it currently legal for political parties to be out canvassing/leafletting for the upcoming May election during lockdown?

I can't see why not? Assuming its done outside and in the right way.
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« Reply #11204 on: Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:45:15 »

5th night of rioting by Loyalist mobs in Belfast, they've just set a bus on fire, with driver and passengers still on it. Not a peep out of all the people who were so upset by the protests in Bristol though.

https://twitter.com/trishdevlin/status/1379871010808270850
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