Question and debate with Ironside

[ron dodgers]

I've not once had pop at Mex, insulted him or called him a name.  He's attacked my on many occassions.  Did I hurt his feelings? Well there's only so far you can push someone before they turn around and slap you back. I agree it was harsh, but I'm not going to apologise for it. Perhaps he can view it as an educational experience.

Of course you didn't  you said "go and plug yourself back in" - you thought that he needed extra dialysis, as he'd been on the piss - that's quite caring, sweet in a way.

[Talk Talk]

No, it's dismissive of Alan's complacency. And pointing out that such complacency can be potentially dangerous

I don't think there is complacency when it is not a credible outcome. There are far too many vested interests in the powers that be for the lablibcon to ever be ousted. They just won't let it happen and will legislate to keep it that way if necessary, along with whatever dirty tricks they need to back it up. Ye gods, we have the Civil Contingencies Act in place already.

I personally think there is complete complacency about where we are now in terms of sliding into a communitarian society which is much more of a worry. Nobody has really noticed the 3,000 extra laws that have come in over the last ten years, that 80% of our legislation now comes directly from Brussels, that organisations such as Common Purpose are rampant within the public sector and so on.

[Talk Talk]

Do you pay employer's NI?

I just want to be mildly pedantic.

Yes, as I work as a contractor under an umbrella company I do. It is offset to some extent by tax relief on expenses but I still pay it.

Not mildly pedantic at all 

[ron dodgers]

was it Alan who said 55% of workers are employed by the government (I know the BNP think there are too many). I thought there were about 600 thousand (out of a total of about 6 million in the public sector). Oh plus 1.4 million NHS staff

[Simon Pieman]

Yes, as I work as a contractor under an umbrella company I do. It is offset to some extent by tax relief on expenses but I still pay it.

Not mildly pedantic at all 

Fair enough. Here's a serious question though - do you think a change in government will change anything?

I don't.

[Ironside]

Fair enough. Here's a serious question though - do you think a change in government will change anything?

I don't.

Well that's just a piss poor attitude to have though, isn't it?

What you're effectively saying is that because you don't think anything will change, there's no point in trying.  Might as well just let the cunts carry on fucking up peoples lives and driving the country in to dirt.

To certain extent I can sympathise with that view, but only if you're the type that thinks there's no alternative to voting for LibLabCon.  The fact of the matter is that there are alternatives.

I also PM'd the righteous one to see if he would like to answer any of my questions when I saw him posting earlier this morning. He's posted since I sent that message so guess he genuinely hasn't got pair.

[Simon Pieman]

Well that's just a piss poor attitude to have though, isn't it?

What you're effectively saying is that because you don't think anything will change, there's no point in trying.  Might as well just let the cunts carry on fucking up peoples lives and driving the country in to dirt.

To certain extent I can sympathise with that view, but only if you're the type that thinks there's no alternative to voting for LibLabCon.  The fact of the matter is that there are alternatives.

I also PM'd the righteous one to see if he would like to answer any of my questions when I saw him posting earlier this morning. He's posted since I sent that message so guess he genuinely hasn't got pair.

I was referring to taxes. The government, under whichever guise, even BNP, will still tax the bollocks off everything. So don't give me that shit about an alternative to LibLabCon because it's nothing to do with that.

And you still haven't answered my question. Maybe because it's going to make you hypocritical, or perhaps you just haven't seen it.

[Ironside]

I was referring to taxes. The government, under whichever guise, even BNP, will still tax the bollocks off everything. So don't give me that shit about an alternative to LibLabCon because it's nothing to do with that.

And you still haven't answered my question. Maybe because it's going to make you hypocritical, or perhaps you just haven't seen it.

You didn't mention taxes though, did you.

Some political parties don't actually believe in "big government" like the LibLabCon, so yes its exactly fucking relevant.

The one about foreigners retiring here? I've already answered that question my prvious posts relating to immigration. Maybe should go and read them.

[dell boy]

Ironside will be up to 1,000 posts by the end of the day at this rate. I think he is doing a good job to shut most up as well his points are pretty valid as far as I'm concerned. That is not meant in a nasty way to anyone else.

Should have a separate section on the forum 'Ironisides Question Time'

[Mexicano Rojo]

Ok you dont like The EU because of its federalism but the fact of the matter is we now are now tied economically to it. Therefore as to the second part of the question which you seemed to have dodged under the "dont like any of it" umbrella, what do you think of the freedom of movement and right to work in any country within the union?

[Ironside]

Ok you dont like The EU because of its federalism but the fact of the matter is we now are now tied economically to it. Therefore as to the second part of the question which you seemed to have dodged under the "dont like any of it" umbrella, what do you think of the freedom of movement and right to work in any country within the union?

The second part of the question has already been answered though, hasn't it.  I talked about "immigration policy" previously. The answer is in there.

[Mexicano Rojo]

where have you talked about freedom of movement within the EU?

[Ironside]

Yes to border controls.

You can't have people wandering in anytime they like with no checks in place.

Does it make sense yet?

[Mexicano Rojo]

ok, but does that go for the other way round? there is 750,000 british citizens now living in Spain alone, should they have to come home?

[Simon Pieman]

You didn't mention tazes though, did you.

Some political parties don't actually believe in "big government" like the LibLabCon, so yes its exactly fucking relevant.

The one about foreigners retiring here? I've already answered that question my prvious posts relating to immigration. Maybe should go and read them.

I was replying to and quoting a post about taxes, I thought it was quite clear, I apologise for confusing you. My point regarding political parties is that every Government from hereon will be expected to at least maintain the current levels of service to the general public (which often leaves a lot to be desired according to many). How will the Governement generate this funding? Through the taxation system. Taxes will always be there in some form or guise. Where one falls another one rises.

Regarding your immigration policy, it didn't really mention specifics about retirees. The only reason I was interested is because a lot of Britains decide to move abroad upon retirement, I just wondered if your views afforded this freedom to other foreigners who may wish to retire to the UK.

In terms of what I could find on your views I highlight the following:

In terms of getting in, I would say these would be appropriate:

1) You apply through the proper channels and don't turn up in the back of a lorry.
2) You are not a criminal.
3) You have a specified, required skill that cannot be filled within the UK. We don't need more unskilled labour.

and regarding who shouldn't be allowed in:

3) They haven't got a fucking job or they are unskilled. We have too many unskilled people sat on their arses already.

So it seems on this basis, a retiree, who would not have a job, would not be able to live here, if applying your caveats.

On retired UK ex-pats you gave the following answer:

Provided they are allowed to live there by the local government, are not criminals, illegally living there, can support themselves without drawing on the resources of their host nation and population, there shouldn't be problem should there?

However, what concerned me was that given your caveats, it appears your views on retired migrants does not tie in with your views of retired ex-pat Britians. I was offering you a chance for you to change my view that you're a hypocrite, a view I have derived from reading this entire thread. Seeing as you keep repeating you've already answered that in previous posts, I assume you are, because I can't see a post to suggest otherwise.

I didn't get a chance to ask the question about Britains who move abroad without a job set up. For instance those who buy a property in Spain and move there on a whim. I assume you'd be ok with this to?

If I have missed a post which may change that viewpoint, please point it out.