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Title: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, October 24, 2016, 11:56:30
Fuck you Tails  :D

So Abraham and Glenn....Discuss.

I thought it would be one of those but not both, Why couldn't it be Coral, the little prick.

What happens next? They're not just going to back down and be "owned" by Negan, that would be boring, but as they said, there's too many of them to fight them.
I hope this season doesn't go stale.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan it fucking awesome.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Whits on Monday, October 24, 2016, 12:01:24
Remember in the ads there is the dude with the tiger, they will submit for a while but expect it will be a good season, neagan is a fucking brute!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Monday, October 24, 2016, 17:39:15
Was up there with the red wedding from GOT. So brutal


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, October 24, 2016, 19:33:41
I predicted Glenn and then thought I was happy to be wrong...and then BAM!

I can see them playing along for a bit and then giving up Alexandria to go guerrilla style to get Daryl back and fuck up Neagan.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: walcot red on Monday, October 24, 2016, 20:23:56
I predicted Glenn and then thought I was happy to be wrong...and then BAM!

I can see them playing along for a bit and then giving up Alexandria to go guerrilla style to get Daryl back and fuck up Neagan.

I can see this happening, surprised about Glenn though, but he rode his luck big time last series.

Hopefully they can keep the tension going through this series


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 24, 2016, 23:08:42
In some ways awesome episode. Rick is a broken man, Negan is a bad ass.

In another it feels a bit 'here we go again', super bad ass baddie that will, at some point, get his comeuppance from Rick..

lather, rinse, repeat.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, October 24, 2016, 23:50:57
Seemed somewhat unnecessarily brutal in some ways. More plot, less popping eyes


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, October 25, 2016, 05:42:45
You could argue that pretty much every long running television show in history is 'lather, rinse, repeat'.

I must admit that I thought it bordered on the unnecessarily brutal at times but it was brilliantly tense and uncomfortable TV.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, October 25, 2016, 07:00:12
I thought the first 20 minutes was crass and an exercise in cruelly manipulating the viewers - brutality as a show of power. We were Rick to the producers Negan. It all felt as though the intention was to shock rather than develop a plot.

The same impact and effect could have been delivered with more subtlety instead of shots lingering a little too long on what seemed to be some kind of homage to Gaspar Noe.

After that, the episode improved somewhat but it's all very predictable again.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan was incredible though.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 25, 2016, 10:02:14
Quote from: Costanza
You could argue that pretty much every long running television show in history is 'lather, rinse, repeat'.

You could, but if it goes on too long it's doomed to failure. The problem for me is it's very hard to shock or do something new now and has become formulaic.

there are plenty of directions it could go in away from baddy of the season, hope they do that.
----
that said negan  seems in a different class to those that came before.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, October 25, 2016, 10:07:25
Don't worry, it'll soon devolve into a bore-fest again. Walking Dead seasons always do.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, October 25, 2016, 19:35:30
That was fucking brutal.

I'm glad Daryl and Michonne survived the killing and I agree with Chubbs that it was a shame Coral didn't get offed.

I get what Sonic says about them manipulating us viewers, and they were (they also milked it), but I still found myself on the edge of my seat and feeling rather tense. And Glen did genuinely shock me.

I think the brutality was almost necessary because it illustrated Negan's character and left us slightly unsettled and very aware of the total hopelessness of the situation. I also agree with others that Negan was immense, as was Rick.

It might turn into a "baddy of the series" like Batch says, but at the moment I'm still liking it. Having given up twice (maybe 3 times?) before though, I know I'm more than capable of doing so again.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, October 25, 2016, 22:48:51
In some ways awesome episode. Rick is a broken man, Negan is a bad ass.

In another it feels a bit 'here we go again', super bad ass baddie that will, at some point, get his comeuppance from Rick..

lather, rinse, repeat.

I get that feeling too. Its bound to end with Rick getting his revenge and taking control again. Will be interesting to see how this other group plays out that Morgan seems to find his way into to though.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 14:59:28
If any of you guys read the Graphic Novels (ok comics for grown up kids like me), you'll have noticed that there is a lot of foreshadowing in TWD television series. It also explains (in the show) why key moments like Glenn & Abraham's exit had to be as brutal. That's Negan. He's a brutal, sadistic, psychopath who isn't as stable as your average calculated serial killer...but then who would be in that world.

It's a changing of the guard, it had to be done that way and Greg Nicotero is "the Special FX guy" who directed brilliantly as always. Yes they milked it a little and it was horrific, yet we have to remember the key genre is Horror here.

Where do I think it will go....? I read the GNs so I have an idea of key moments going forward. Yet they still manage to surprise me in the show.

I'm looking forward to King Ezequiel (and his pet tiger Shiva) and all the others in The Kingdom, where Carol and Morgan are currently. Anyone remember Jesus? I think we'll see him more as we only had glimpses of him in parts of S6. He's part of The Hilltop. For me, he has more to play and seems a relatively equalled character. Erin is holed up at Alexandria (Maggie locked her in the cupboard) along with Rev. Gabrial and obviously a few others.

There are lots of ways this could go but in a nutshell we have now three groups. Negans The Saviours, The Kingdom & The Hilltop. As well as Alexandria (which I think will be given up). Don't forget that Eugene was formulating plans to run The Foundry to make munitions. This could still happen and may be pivotal (they all need ammo in this world) could be a masterstroke for him as will be a massive trade off.....if it happens that is.

One thing is for certain...not necessarily this season, but in a season Rick will die at some point. That's not a spoiler, that's just a common fact.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 15:02:33
I see....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6l8MFdTaPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6l8MFdTaPE)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 15:06:27
If any of you guys read the Graphic Novels (ok comics for grown up kids like me), you'll have noticed that there is a lot of foreshadowing in TWD television series. It also explains (in the show) why key moments like Glenn & Abraham's exit had to be as brutal. That's Negan. He's a brutal, sadistic, psychopath who isn't as stable as your average calculated serial killer...but then who would be in that world.

It's a changing of the guard, it had to be done that way and Greg Nicotero is "the Special FX guy" who directed brilliantly as always. Yes they milked it a little and it was horrific, yet we have to remember the key genre is Horror here.

Where do I think it will go....? I read the GNs so I have an idea of key moments going forward. Yet they still manage to surprise me in the show.

I'm looking forward to King Ezequiel (and his pet tiger Shiva) and all the others in The Kingdom, where Carol and Morgan are currently. Anyone remember Jesus? I think we'll see him more as we only had glimpses of him in parts of S6. He's part of The Hilltop. For me, he has more to play and seems a relatively equalled character. Erin is holed up at Alexandria (Maggie locked her in the cupboard) along with Rev. Gabrial and obviously a few others.

There are lots of ways this could go but in a nutshell we have now three groups. Negans The Saviours, The Kingdom & The Hilltop. As well as Alexandria (which I think will be given up). Don't forget that Eugene was formulating plans to run The Foundry to make munitions. This could still happen and may be pivotal (they all need ammo in this world) could be a masterstroke for him as will be a massive trade off.....if it happens that is.

One thing is for certain...not necessarily this season, but in a season Rick will die at some point. That's not a spoiler, that's just a common fact.

I know odds and sods of the comics, mainly through speaking to my friend who is a big fan. I'm looking forward to learning more about King Ezequiel, though the thought of him having a tiger like that seems very silly. Where the fuck did he get a tiger from....

I fear this season may go stale if they aren't careful. There are theoretically 3/4 story lines that have to be followed as mentioned above and for me, when they've done this previously I've found myself loosing track due to the constant chopping and changing, and in turn loosing interest.

As long as Coral gets it before they end the show, i'll be happy.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 15:10:54
A zoo?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 15:21:04
OK Smartarse. Maybe the question should be how the fuck did he get a tiger?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 15:22:22
The zookeeper became a walker. Or he was the zookeeper. That's my preferred theory


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 15:49:08
I know odds and sods of the comics, mainly through speaking to my friend who is a big fan. I'm looking forward to learning more about King Ezequiel, though the thought of him having a tiger like that seems very silly. Where the fuck did he get a tiger from....

I fear this season may go stale if they aren't careful. There are theoretically 3/4 story lines that have to be followed as mentioned above and for me, when they've done this previously I've found myself loosing track due to the constant chopping and changing, and in turn loosing interest.

As long as Coral gets it before they end the show, i'll be happy.

I agree there are a lot of plot streams to follow. Think Alexandrians and The Hill top will merge and the main focus will be on Negan and The Saviours, along with King Ez and The Kingdom. Will "our" group separate further and join one of the three main groups (Daryl for instance, although enforced).

See what you mean about the Tiger being a bit silly (like in LOST with the Polar Bear, but they were all dead so anything goes) but the source will be revealed soon. For me it just makes me think how are they sourcing Shiva's food supply? hmmm :hmmm: :hmmm:

Yeah I thought Coralll is overdue some personal misfortune and thought it was going to happen in S7 E1, however this could be foreshadowing something else...Also when you watch the opening credit and Jeffrey Dean Morgans name flashes up, tell me what you see.

The show for me is really clever at times, even if it gets hammered for its writing, which considering it's essentially a comic I think it writes better than any soap and most shite that's out there alongside GoT and BB. All three though are completely different  so I never know why people try to compare them. Why not compare GoT with Sharpe, LOTR. compare BB with Trainspotting, Limitless, Pulp Fiction. Compare TWD with World War Z, Zombie Nation, DoTD, DayOTD, NoTLD etc.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 19:21:21

.Also when you watch the opening credit and Jeffrey Dean Morgans name flashes up, tell me what you see.


ok, i got ya.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 21:19:53
I've never actually seen it... keep getting told that I should!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 11:30:12
ok, i got ya.

I don't get it.  Have looked at the opening credits and can't see what you see..  Maybe I am just dense..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 12:00:19
I don't get it.  Have looked at the opening credits and can't see what you see..  Maybe I am just dense..
I'll PM you if you want, I mean I don't know if what I see means anything but it could be a potential spoiler.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 12:15:51
I'll PM you if you want, I mean I don't know if what I see means anything but it could be a potential spoiler.
The whole thread is a fucking spoiler thread  ;)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 12:23:52
The whole thread is a fucking spoiler thread  ;)
I get that, but to spoil something that hasn't happened yet, i'm not that mean.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 13:17:17
Can we have 1 rule, no comic book spoilers ?



Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 13:43:15
Can we have 1 rule, no comic book spoilers ?


I agree, the thread was made to talk about episodes that have recently aired that not everyone has had a chance to see.

Talking about parts of the comic that have been shown on the TV and comparing the two is ok though.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 14:00:32
I'll PM you if you want, I mean I don't know if what I see means anything but it could be a potential spoiler.

Do it!!!!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Whits on Monday, October 31, 2016, 15:27:35
I want a tiger


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 11:26:07
Not really much to talk about this week. A very tame episode giving a bit of an insight into "the kingdom" .

The tiger is still stupid.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 20:39:53
They do seem to have these filler episodes every so often. I suppose they can't all be brutal gore-fests.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, November 5, 2016, 23:55:21
I really enjoyed that episode but I've always preferred the slower episodes and Morgan is my favourite character


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Sunday, November 6, 2016, 12:41:34
Not really much to talk about this week. A very tame episode giving a bit of an insight into "the kingdom" .

The tiger is still stupid.



The tiger is stupid....until you find out how it came about. Tbh though, on entering the Kingdom, it'd be the first thing i'd ask.. "Where'd the fuck you get that?"

Expect to be mentally pulled to pieces in the next episode..The Cell


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, November 8, 2016, 11:20:49
Anyone else got "Easy Street" as an ear worm today ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoQ4GidQP-k


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 8, 2016, 11:50:55
Anyone else got "Easy Street" as an ear worm today ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoQ4GidQP-k

Oh aye! It was stuck after like the third play  :cry: :cry:


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 8, 2016, 12:15:55
Anyone else got "Easy Street" as an ear worm today ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoQ4GidQP-k

I didn't, until now.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 8, 2016, 12:18:06
The tiger is stupid....until you find out how it came about. Tbh though, on entering the Kingdom, it'd be the first thing i'd ask.. "Where'd the fuck you get that?"

Expect to be mentally pulled to pieces in the next episode..The Cell

Was nice to get a bit of back ground on Dwight and Negans relationship. Its very clear Negan has taken a shine to Darryl, but I think we all know he's not going to crack.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 8, 2016, 13:03:15
Was nice to get a bit of back ground on Dwight and Negans relationship. Its very clear Negan has taken a shine to Darryl, but I think we all know he's not going to crack.

Question is though....How is that dynamic going to play out. Even the casual viewer will have worked out Negan is a totally detached psychopathic serial killer, who doesn't do "bonding". I feel Dwight is partially hoping Daryl concedes to Negan as he wants free of being his dogsbody. Nice reference to "what happened to Dwight" too :)

 The episode was really good and was a mental torture. Just goes to show how great it is as they don't even need the "Walkers" all the time. As the saying goes....."Fight the dead, Fear the living."


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 8, 2016, 14:21:10
Its was a good episode, didn't really progress anything other than to confirm Daryl ain't "negan"

Do think Dwight will ultimately be Negan's downfall, maybe not the one to do the deed (if that happens) but instrumental in his comeuppance.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, November 14, 2016, 22:11:29
I love Rosita


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, November 14, 2016, 23:14:44
She's a fucking bad ass.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, November 14, 2016, 23:47:52
She's a fucking bad ass.

 :blowkiss:

(http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/538184538497638402/9kp_rHmm.jpeg)

(http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ce/d5/a3/ced5a3c8bd6dc605e71ccc925f646ca4.jpg)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 10:01:58
Couldn't agree more.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 10:10:20
I'd rather she shot Spencer than Negan tbh


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 10:15:35
I'm starting to find Jeffrey Dean Morgan's over-acting a bit tedious now.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 10:26:22
I'm starting to find Jeffrey Dean Morgan's over-acting a bit tedious now.

Don't think it helps having had an entire episode focused on him. Broken up between that and The Kingdom would have made it less obvious I feel.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 10:33:28
Quote from: Private Fraser
I'm starting to find Jeffrey Dean Morgan's over-acting a bit tedious now.
me too, he's getting right on my tits


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 11:13:17
He needs a bit of conflict now. Three episodes of 'I'm a smart arse bad guy' is wearing thin.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 11:30:54
I think he's excellent.  Your supposed to hate him, which is obviously working for some..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 11:34:36
I think he's excellent.  Your supposed to hate him, which is obviously working for some..

I don't hate him, I just want to see him tested. They've spent three episodes emphasising their ruthlessness.

LET'S GO!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 12:41:20
I want to see some people get shot! Namely Coral!!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 12:58:33
I want to see some people get shot! Namely Coral!!

I was hoping it was going to happen last night.  Bit of a let down!  ::)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 14:20:13
I think he's excellent.  Your supposed to hate him, which is obviously working for some..

I hate him, but its not his character that I hate so much, its the portrayal. And the feeling of deja vu


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 20:34:45
Glad its not just me then. He was beginning to annoy me this episode.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, November 15, 2016, 22:49:37
Well now there's Darryl, his bike, and his crossbow in the same place at the same time..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 15:23:06
Now we have another settlement. Will Tara keep quiet about it? How long before the saviours find it?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 16:02:37
Don't you mean "Terror"?  :D



Title: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 16:49:47
found last nights right down there with Fear The Walking Dead. Hoped one of the Fulci zombies would eat her and what's his face and save us the tedium.

as you can guess, don't really care about Tara.

oh and another settlement we'll probably see in 6 episodes time, come the mega battle with the saviours..

still, mid season break soon, so they'll have to get it interesting again now.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 17:16:23
Why does everyone hate Coral so much?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 17:56:27
he's a bit annoying and has shit hair as far as I can tell.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 18:04:26
Why does everyone hate Coral so much?
he's that kid who give its the tough act but when it comes to the nitty gritty he ALWAYS and i mean ALWAYS has have his ass saved. He's a liability to the group.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 21:03:44
This series has been pretty crap. The last series wasn't very good. Maybe its had its day.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 21:05:48
I liked that episode. I'm already bored of Negan.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 21:28:57
Quote from: chalkies_shorts
This series has been pretty crap. The last series wasn't very good. Maybe its had its day.

needs a new direction/focus or an ending. they need to ditch being tied to the comics, even as loosely tied as they are.

 you can only keep going for so long on the bad guy, kill bad guy, new bad guy cycle.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, December 5, 2016, 21:27:07
he's that kid who give its the tough act but when it comes to the nitty gritty he ALWAYS and i mean ALWAYS has have his ass saved. He's a liability to the group.

Case and point, just kill the fucker and be done with it.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, December 5, 2016, 23:22:14
Man this series is shit.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, December 5, 2016, 23:37:02
Tonight's was shite. Watching Mars to get over it.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 5, 2016, 23:56:52
I thought tonight's was better than the last two weeks.

Negan is still a tad OTT


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 12:13:11
I haven't read the books so have no idea what happens in them but it looks like Dwight and his ex-wife might be planning something big for the mid-season finale.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 12:23:20
I'd have thought negan  will do something coral related that'll result in him (Rick) finding a pair again.

Viva la  resistance.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 12:47:43
I don't think they'd write out Carl so it'll more likely be Judith. There was a trailer for next week at the end of the episode last night and it ended with Rick doing his 'someone just got their brains smashed' face again.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 13:10:20
I don't think they'd write out Carl so it'll more likely be Judith. There was a trailer for next week at the end of the episode last night and it ended with Rick doing his 'someone just got their brains smashed' face again.
Thats the problem with some torrents, they end before the "next time on TWD" get shown.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 13:11:06
I don't think they'd write out Carl so it'll more likely be Judith. There was a trailer for next week at the end of the episode last night and it ended with Rick doing his 'someone just got their brains smashed' face again.
I can't see them writing Judith out, not in a gruesome way anyway. My money is on Coral...

or maybe Spencer.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 13:47:42
I actually enjoyed last nights episode. Especially as we finally got to see the "iron" in use. Thought it was Dwight who was the fall guy for this every time but obviously it's going to be used on any "saviour" and anyone else.  Thought Negan was comedic in the darkest of ways. Just as you start to laugh at him picking on Olivia for saying that they are starving....he then goes completely ruthless and right there openly tells her he's going to rape her. Obviously this guy "does what he want's" as a dictator, as that what he is, I think he's using Coral as a protege which will destroy rick. There were moments in that "give me the tour" scenes where Coral was enjoying being alongside Negan. Impressionable would be the term.

The "eye" scene was fantastic and it wan't just "hey lets see your eye" it was a brutal reveal, with the highest intimidation. The prosthetics were great, as always. Then Negan turned almost sorrowful for a second which showed us yet another side of this psychopathic schizo.

I love the show, I'm biased, but i'm not immune to errors or "bad" story plots. The season has been a little too fragmented, a bit like when the prison was untenable and they all split. Maybe not as severe, as they all still  (for now) have Alexandria/Hilltop as their base. Although we need to know what is happening with all the characters it's touched on too briefly to give any depth. In film making this is hard to do and there are 4/5/6 plotlines and then they throw in the Oceansiders and Then Boathouse guy Leslie William.... I caught...who may or may not be dead.

All in all E1 was a hard ep to follow. E2 showed us the key split but there was no real detailing. However we needed a rest from E1 (forgivable), still answers needed from The Kingdom though. E3 The Cell was great one man acting from Daryl as we saw him become 90% broken and thats hard to hold an audience when it's mainly just you in the majority of an episode. E4 was a little bit of a let down. Yes Negan had to come back to Alexandria and "take half of their shit" but it never fully got interesting, even the side plot of Michonne and the guns. E5 Was good. To get back to the Hilltop, see Jesus (who I thought would feature more tbh), Maggie and Sascha overthrow Gregory as he was weakening to the Saviours. It was a warning to anyone though that these Saviours are prepared to do anything and Simon is great....he's much better than Dwight. E6 Swear (Tara/Heath) we needed to know of Tara's whereabouts, but a whole episode...i'm not sure. The beggining threw me though which was good as I was like...where are we, what show am i watching? Although like the "JDM Iron foreshadowing" the credits could have told me Tara was Oceanside as "Alanna Masterson" appears on the crashed boat she is in towards the end of the episode. I like it though, it's a nice touch. However maybe they should've focused on the Oceansiders community more and suspended us with say them showing us Tara kidnapped by them later in the episode? Will we see them again? If not it was pretty pointless including them in the show, even if it gave us indication of Taras whereabouts....hmmm tricky one.E7 i've spoke about and I thought it was good although it fragmented by showing us where several of our survivors were. E8 is going to be pretty interesting as I can't really think how they're going to bring them all together. Carol is bound to show up, for sure?

One thing that got me about last nights episode was where the fuck did Jesus go after being on the roof of Negans truck? As they pulled away Daryl glanced up as if to have noticed him and then the shot went back to the van pulling away and he had gone....surely it was too "Saviour heavy" for him to jump of at that location?

Apologies for the long reply/review. So I await the abuse  :D :D :smack: :suicide:


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 14:02:30
Nice review.

RE: Jesus.

During the episode 2 saviors were waiting in their van for the  walkers to disperse. As they continue to drive back to Negan Jesus as Coral are in the back of the van. Jesus suggests they should jump out and follow the rest of the way. Coral says "you first" so Jesus jumps but Coral stays in the back of the van never intending to jump and waves goodbye to Jesus.

Or did i miss something from this weeks episode?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 14:12:43
Nice review.

RE: Jesus.

During the episode 2 saviors were waiting in their van for the  walkers to disperse. As they continue to drive back to Negan Jesus as Coral are in the back of the van. Jesus suggests they should jump out and follow the rest of the way. Coral says "you first" so Jesus jumps but Coral stays in the back of the van never intending to jump and waves goodbye to Jesus.

Or did i miss something from this weeks episode?

Cheers.

Naa not that bit. When Negan takes Coral for a "ride" back to Alexandria. Jesus is on the roof of the van. The camera pans down and we see Negan and Coral. Daryl is at the gate along with other Saviours and he says something to Negan, To which Negan gives him the bird. Daryl then looks up towards the roof of the van (as if he's aware of Jesus presence (oh the irony)).  As they pull away, the camera pans up again but Jesus is nowhere to be seen....Where the fook is he? haha.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 14:15:21
I think he's using Coral as a protege which will destroy rick.
yeah, I think he'll take him back to Saviourland (whatsitcalled?!) with him. That'll start Rick on the  road to a war footing.


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The season has been a little too fragmented,

Massively. They introduce the Kingdom, then leave it. They leave Carol in a shack. The spend a very dull episode on Hilltop ( ac couple of important events aside). Then they out dull themselves with an entire Tara episode.

If you don't keep spinning the plot plates its going to go wrong eventually.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 14:16:17
....Where the fook is he? haha.

Can only assume in the back of the van..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 14:21:31
yeah, I think he'll take him back to Saviourland (whatsitcalled?!) with him. That'll start Rick on the  road to a war footing.


Massively. They introduce the Kingdom, then leave it. They leave Carol in a shack. The spend a very dull episode on Hilltop ( ac couple of important events aside). Then they out dull themselves with an entire Tara episode.

If you don't keep spinning the plot plates its going to go wrong eventually.

-

I agree in part. The beauty is...there is plenty of material to work with. This was a better episode tbh. Mind you we've been spoiled by the quality of this over a long time. I have enjoyed every season for different reasons and taken them with an open mind (after all it is probably the most realistic fiction on tv). There is also a lot of garbage (hasn't there always been) on tv so i'm not ready to walk out on one of the best long running shows, just yet. If all the soaps can run as long as they do then i'm certain TWD has it's own large niche that'll cater for years to come. Sooner know about the lucky son of a gun Eugene slowly getting close with Rosita, than about Rita and Norris's sexual fantasies....aaanyway :)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 14:22:58
Can only assume in the back of the van..

Naa he would've been spotted  getting from roof to inside the van by The Saviours at the gate as the van pulled away.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 14:33:59
Cheers.

Naa not that bit. When Negan takes Coral for a "ride" back to Alexandria. Jesus is on the roof of the van. The camera pans down and we see Negan and Coral. Daryl is at the gate along with other Saviours and he says something to Negan, To which Negan gives him the bird. Daryl then looks up towards the roof of the van (as if he's aware of Jesus presence (oh the irony)).  As they pull away, the camera pans up again but Jesus is nowhere to be seen....Where the fook is he? haha.
think i missed that bit. I remember negan giving the bird, must have looked away


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 16:42:50
Naa he would've been spotted  getting from roof to inside the van by The Saviours at the gate as the van pulled away.

We'll see (probably in about 8 episodes time:)). I think you are giving TWD writers too much credit. There were spotters in the building behind the van too, they should have seen him...


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, December 6, 2016, 22:05:19
Forgot about the reference to Omar Comin' at the start of the episode yesterday.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, December 12, 2016, 23:19:36
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Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 08:09:55
Meh


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 10:00:53
I can't see them writing Judith out, not in a gruesome way anyway. My money is on Coral...

or maybe Spencer.

Had a feeling Spencer would get it.

Such a predictable episode, as much as i'm fed up with it, i can;t give up watching as I've got this far. The same happened with Lost.

I did enjoy Negan this episode mind, he had stared to grate on me a little but he was very good this episode.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 14:19:36
Had a feeling Spencer would get it.

Such a predictable episode, as much as i'm fed up with it, i can;t give up watching as I've got this far. The same happened with Lost.

I did enjoy Negan this episode mind, he had stared to grate on me a little but he was very good this episode.

Actually, this sums it up better than " meh". Pretty much exactly how I see things.

Can't believe they'll off Negan so soon mind, listen very carefully I shall say this only once : suspect this is the start of a resistance and intelligent way to take Negan out. Can't see them having the numbers and hardware to defeat the saviours in a straight fight.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 14:20:56
Had a feeling Spencer would get it.

Such a predictable episode, as much as i'm fed up with it, i can;t give up watching as I've got this far. The same happened with Lost.

I did enjoy Negan this episode mind, he had stared to grate on me a little but he was very good this episode.

Admittedly, I saw the "Spencer" moment coming. However, not as brutally and was expecting him to be ordered shot. The Olivia kill was good though and I think this was foreshadowed in the previous season when Denise got shot in the eye/brain with an arrow. Spare a thought for the Special FX guys though. That was some great/gruesome gut spillage!

 I actually liked this episode because it tied up a few scraps, without going full cliffhanger. This shows confidence from the show that they don't need to end every mid-season and season finale with a huge cliffhanger. I think they quickly learnt this from the ending of S6 (while it was an awesome finale, it grated with the more die hard viewer/long term viewer, as they didn't need to leave us wondering. However, when the wait was over, they did make an incredible S7 premiere, so I couldn't complain after that exhausting, brutal episode....enough of that.) and that's a good thing. One thing about TWD is that they do listen and respond to the fans, after all we make any show a hit simply by watching.

What intrigued me more was, lets call him/her "boot guy" that left more questions. We saw "boot guy" twice. At the lake when Rick and Aaron were leaving the boathouse and then right at the end after the credits (if you missed it, youtube TWD S7 E8 end credit scene). "Boot guy" is basically seen spying on Alexandria at night as Fthr Gabriel is being night watchman. The clips ends as "Boot guy" makes footing inside Alexandria's walls. The only distinguishing features we have is...The have a strange pattern on one of the boots on the toe cap. They have a bandana of some kind on. My guess and it's only a guess, is that it could be Boathouse guy is still alive and possibly wants his guns back. Maybe boathouse is more integral to the story and with everything else going on, we've dismissed it as a new character lead? I could be barking up the wrong tree here but i'm certainly interested to find out who he/she is? What are your thoughts on this?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 14:29:23
Mu
Admittedly, I saw the "Spencer" moment coming. However, not as brutally and was expecting him to be ordered shot. The Olivia kill was good though and I think this was foreshadowed in the previous season when Denise got shot in the eye/brain with an arrow. Spare a thought for the Special FX guys though. That was some great/gruesome gut spillage!

 I actually liked this episode because it tied up a few scraps, without going full cliffhanger. This shows confidence from the show that they don't need to end every mid-season and season finale with a huge cliffhanger. I think they quickly learnt this from the ending of S6 (while it was an awesome finale, it grated with the more die hard viewer/long term viewer, as they didn't need to leave us wondering. However, when the wait was over, they did make an incredible S7 premiere, so I couldn't complain after that exhausting, brutal episode....enough of that.) and that's a good thing. One thing about TWD is that they do listen and respond to the fans, after all we make any show a hit simply by watching.

What intrigued me more was, lets call him/her "boot guy" that left more questions. We saw "boot guy" twice. At the lake when Rick and Aaron were leaving the boathouse and then right at the end after the credits (if you missed it, youtube TWD S7 E8 end credit scene). "Boot guy" is basically seen spying on Alexandria at night as Fthr Gabriel is being night watchman. The clips ends as "Boot guy" makes footing inside Alexandria's walls. The only distinguishing features we have is...The have a strange pattern on one of the boots on the toe cap. They have a bandana of some kind on. My guess and it's only a guess, is that it could be Boathouse guy is still alive and possibly wants his guns back. Maybe boathouse is more integral to the story and with everything else going on, we've dismissed it as a new character lead? I could be barking up the wrong tree here but i'm certainly interested to find out who he/she is? What are your thoughts on this?
My initial thoughts on boot guy is that its the boathouse guy. But who knows. It could be anyone.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 15:26:13
MuMy initial thoughts on boot guy is that its the boathouse guy. But who knows. It could be anyone.

True. I shall be discussing this no doubt, with whoever will listen. There are many ways they could take this next half. We know a battle is building (again), but who's battle will it really be, and for whom?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 17:29:55
Its clear to all that there will be a battle with Alexandria, Hilltop and the Kingdom Vs Negan and the Saviors,

As already mentioned, its highly unlikely it will be an all guns blazing blood fest due to the saviors inferior arsenal of weapons. One option already discussed in the trailer for ep 9 was to just bomb the place but this was discounted due to there being a lot of people being held by Negan against their will. So we're looking at something more intelligent.

We didn't see Dwight this episode. Are the producers trying to throw us off the fact that he is getting more and more frustrated being Negan's right hand man and in my eyes he will be instrumental in Negans eventual demise.

I can't help but think the Oceanside camp is being left out for a reason, will they play a part in taking out Negan and a saviors? Its very likely, which also brings me back to the boot man/woman. I think the producers want us to think its a man, but its very likely it could be one of the women from Oceanside.

There are many ways the second half of this season can go. From the little i do know from the books there is still so much to be uncovered, such as more camps and groups but who's to say they will even make an appearance in the TV show , this season or in the future.





Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, February 17, 2017, 12:52:36
Pretty decent episode to come back to. Slow start but picked up mid way. That smile at the end by Rick, to me says, he's just found his army. But something tells me its not going to be a straight forward as he might think.

Who were the group at the end? They are not saviors, and they are not Oceanside. I've read something about a group called the whisperers, but i don't know much more than that.

Another through was with Gabriel and the food, where did he go? Has he got something to do with this new group?

Too many questions, not enought answers


Title: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2017, 13:01:05
I thought they were the Oceansiders. oh well


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, February 17, 2017, 13:26:27
I reckon Gabriel has gone with the guy from the boat that Rick and the gay fella looted


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, February 17, 2017, 13:55:39
I reckon Gabriel has gone with the guy from the boat that Rick and the gay fella looted
I believe the guy is a gal from what I've seen. Anyway, Gabriel must have known she was in the car as she stuck her head up just as they drove out of Alexandria. The message Gabriel left also makes me believe they're working together.

The only reason I can think of is that Gabriel is trying to protect what is left?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, February 17, 2017, 14:28:09
I thought they were the Oceansiders. oh well
Oceanside is women only. There were plenty of men in this new group.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, February 17, 2017, 14:29:00
I believe the guy is a gal from what I've seen. Anyway, Gabriel must have known she was in the car as she stuck her head up just as they drove out of Alexandria. The message Gabriel left also makes me believe they're working together.

The only reason I can think of is that Gabriel is trying to protect what is left?

I didn't catch that bit in the car, but that would make sense.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 17, 2017, 15:24:40
This gets filmed where I live, my wife went to go see "Alexandria" last week, watched my first episode this week, it was ok.  Will see if being close by causes any insight - they do offer extra's roles to the locals.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 17, 2017, 15:30:10
This gets filmed where I live, my wife went to go see "Alexandria" last week, watched my first episode this week, it was ok.  Will see if being close by causes any insight - they do offer extra's roles to the locals.
You live in Crewe now Rob? :D


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 17, 2017, 15:32:40
That would have been a bad move!  Newnan (some of it is filmed here), which is next to Senoia (where Alexandria is filmed).  Pinewood also have studios nearby where they film most of the Avengers stuff.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, February 21, 2017, 13:03:46
Hi, welcome back to S7 of TWD to the small group of people ion here that contribute.

Yeah a good mid-season opener and i'm with Chubbs that although it started slow, the show again proved it doesn't have to go "Full Metal Jacket" every time. It should basically have been called "Forces Recruitment" because that's pretty much what Rick was trying to convince people (namely the Kingdom) to do. The fragmentation has pulled together a bit quicker too and there is a sense of solidarity building again. A Kingdom ally in Richard will hopefully convince King Ez that the Saviours are just one threat away from an all out carnage. King Ez knows this, but he obviously wants to play Peacemaker (pretty much like Morgan, but they're both being tested more and more).

The episode ended with a new group of people and Rick throwing a smile...had he found his army? Were they connected to "Boot Guy/Woman"? Are they a sect of the Saviours (do not discredit this theory for a moment, that could be the big plot spin)? I guess we'll find out in E10. The cumulation of the episode did leave us with just enough questions. I think questions without enough answers initially is good because it means we're talking about the show and the story, instead of if the show is boring us. E9 definitely wasn't boring :)

*********Update***********
So onto E10.

First off I'm really jealous of RobertT. If you invite me to yours, just so I can be an extra in TWD then i'll pay you in Luke Williams interviews for life.....That's fair yeah? :)

E10 was also pretty good. The fragmenting has eased even more and the plot is focusing on the main task at hand "overthrowing  Negan". We have a solid base and as revealed in this episode Rick now has his army led by the eerily "Star Trek" humanoid looking Jadus. She evidently has an overwhelming "Negan like" control over her group. What's scary is that they are all inherently calm about it. To me this makes Jadus more interesting than Negan. While the true Negan character is somewhat erratic and totally detached, acting on impulse. Jadus  (only of what we have seen so far) seems to be able to get what she wants but without a bloodbath. This could take the show to a more intelligent, interrogating level (Which I hope it does). Even though, she has tasked Rick with getting them "Guns & Jars" I have a feeling the Negan overthrow will be more of a Kidnap/Ransom/Capture/Painful demise. That's not Graphic Novel related btw...I know what happens to Negan in that initially and I don't think the show is going down that route.

The next episode will fragment partially, as shown in the end credits we have a Clip of Negan and Dwight, and also Eugene. Is Eugene now making arms/bullets for Negan at the Foundry? or will Ricks group get him back and use his intelligence to create the arms needed for Jadus? Eugene is a massive power play here. I fear it could end in his death...

Back to E10 and the reuniting of Daryl and Carol was handled brilliantly. They are true soulmates per se and not necessarily lovers. Just an understanding that goes way beyond. Great play by Daryl again not letting Carol know that Glenn and Abe had been brutally murdered by Negan and all the associated psychological shit that came with that. He knows she's currently in a really broken place mentally and she doesn't need that information right now. They handled that pretty well and again it shows a more deeper side to the show. I think so anyway!

The episode threw up enough drama, tenseness and intrigue to keep even a newer viewer interested. As a long term viewer it was enough to bring everything back together and start building towards taking out Negan. What are your thoughts on last nights episode? Boring, Good, Average, Intriguing, Interested? Whatever, let us know and all constructive criticism is welcome. I await the abuse :)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, February 21, 2017, 13:43:08
Probably going to give up on it. Last series was shit and so is this one. Shame I really enjoyed the earlier series but it's past its sell by date and trading on former glories.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 21, 2017, 14:22:30
Quite enjoyed the first two episodes since the break, if not the Battle Royale/Negan plot.

Perhaps Rick can become King of Kings and we can move on from this endless "bad group of the season" for a bit and move in a different direction..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, February 22, 2017, 10:01:50
Hi, welcome back to S7 of TWD to the small group of people ion here that contribute.

Yeah a good mid-season opener and i'm with Chubbs that although it started slow, the show again proved it doesn't have to go "Full Metal Jacket" every time. It should basically have been called "Forces Recruitment" because that's pretty much what Rick was trying to convince people (namely the Kingdom) to do. The fragmentation has pulled together a bit quicker too and there is a sense of solidarity building again. A Kingdom ally in Richard will hopefully convince King Ez that the Saviours are just one threat away from an all out carnage. King Ez knows this, but he obviously wants to play Peacemaker (pretty much like Morgan, but they're both being tested more and more).

The episode ended with a new group of people and Rick throwing a smile...had he found his army? Were they connected to "Boot Guy/Woman"? Are they a sect of the Saviours (do not discredit this theory for a moment, that could be the big plot spin)? I guess we'll find out in E10. The cumulation of the episode did leave us with just enough questions. I think questions without enough answers initially is good because it means we're talking about the show and the story, instead of if the show is boring us. E9 definitely wasn't boring :)

*********Update***********
So onto E10.

First off I'm really jealous of RobertT. If you invite me to yours, just so I can be an extra in TWD then i'll pay you in Luke Williams interviews for life.....That's fair yeah? :)

E10 was also pretty good. The fragmenting has eased even more and the plot is focusing on the main task at hand "overthrowing  Negan". We have a solid base and as revealed in this episode Rick now has his army led by the eerily "Star Trek" humanoid looking Jadus. She evidently has an overwhelming "Negan like" control over her group. What's scary is that they are all inherently calm about it. To me this makes Jadus more interesting than Negan. While the true Negan character is somewhat erratic and totally detached, acting on impulse. Jadus  (only of what we have seen so far) seems to be able to get what she wants but without a bloodbath. This could take the show to a more intelligent, interrogating level (Which I hope it does). Even though, she has tasked Rick with getting them "Guns & Jars" I have a feeling the Negan overthrow will be more of a Kidnap/Ransom/Capture/Painful demise. That's not Graphic Novel related btw...I know what happens to Negan in that initially and I don't think the show is going down that route.

The next episode will fragment partially, as shown in the end credits we have a Clip of Negan and Dwight, and also Eugene. Is Eugene now making arms/bullets for Negan at the Foundry? or will Ricks group get him back and use his intelligence to create the arms needed for Jadus? Eugene is a massive power play here. I fear it could end in his death...

Back to E10 and the reuniting of Daryl and Carol was handled brilliantly. They are true soulmates per se and not necessarily lovers. Just an understanding that goes way beyond. Great play by Daryl again not letting Carol know that Glenn and Abe had been brutally murdered by Negan and all the associated psychological shit that came with that. He knows she's currently in a really broken place mentally and she doesn't need that information right now. They handled that pretty well and again it shows a more deeper side to the show. I think so anyway!

The episode threw up enough drama, tenseness and intrigue to keep even a newer viewer interested. As a long term viewer it was enough to bring everything back together and start building towards taking out Negan. What are your thoughts on last nights episode? Boring, Good, Average, Intriguing, Interested? Whatever, let us know and all constructive criticism is welcome. I await the abuse :)

I love reading your write-ups.

Finally watched ep10. It seems like they are working toward a big blow up next episode. From the trailer It looks like Dwight will feel the wrath of Negan for allowing Daryll to escape.
There was a clip of everyone congregated in the foundry again, could this mean someone else is getting the iron? Maybe Eugene? Personally i don't think they will hurt Eugene, but as already mentioned be made to work and make ammo.

This new group interest me, they almost look like extras from Stargate-SG1. What was with that walker in the pit? That's something i would expect to see in a Resident Evil game, which coincidentally is about Zombies so i'm not quite sure where i'm going with this. It all just looked a bit out of place

The big question is will Tara give up the location of Oceanside to Rick of will she keep it quiet?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Thursday, February 23, 2017, 00:54:12
Chubbs, Yeah I'm considering doing a Youtube TWD Episode Vlog. There's a few that do them but thanks man, I appreciate it!

I think Tara (Terror) will lead Rick et al to Oceanside, whilst we're viewing the scenes at the Foundry. I imagine Negan will start to get really pissed and someone will take punishment for it. I'm kind of hoping he goes top end brutal as his character is such an out and out unforgiving psychopath. So my guess is we will get a Foundry/Eugene/Dwight Ep. next. Then a revisit to Oceanside led by Tara. Possibly back to Hilltop and The Kingdom where Carol will be reunited with everyone and convince King Ez to go to battle (she's the only one who can). Back to Jadus group for delivery of weapons etc. Have no idea about Ep15 soapy tit wank. Then S7 Fin will be some kind of battle/stand off or maybe this is where my prediction that Jadus group will turn out to be a Saviours sect and our survivors will be well and truly fucked :D

Be interesting to see how wrong I am. But i'm kinda getting ahead of myself here!  :suicide: :suicide:


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, February 28, 2017, 10:24:08
I'm really enjoying the second half of this series, it's not been fast paced by any means but everything is clearly setting up for a climax. It's fascinating to see more of the interpersonal relationships of the group and get to know other characters better.

The Eugene assimilation and Dwight silent rebellion is extremely intriguing, the final scene with both of them in the compound with Dwight only mustering a 'yeah' in response to Eugene's declaration was understated but vital. I can see Negan being overthrown from within.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 11:04:08
I'm enjoying this season, seems to be building up nicely to the inevitable war against the saviours.

Really enjoyed this recent episode, seeing Eugene adjust to life with the saviours. As SY mentioned, it does seems like there may be some sort of bond forming with him and Dwight and i think Dwight knows its only a matter of time before he is on the receiving end of Negans wrath.

Will Dwight double-cross Negan with Eugenes help? It would seem thats the way its going.
 


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 12:43:28
Hey guys, really enjoyed that E11. As predicted it was back to the Foundry for the Negan/Dwight/Eugene Ep. Really liked the way Eugene integrated himself and feel he is becoming an underestimated power. Negan, while knowing Eugene has knowledge also thinks he's weak which is Negans downfall.  Also remember that all the stuff Eugene said to Negan about being a Dr and the human genome project is a lie. Arc back to S5 E5 (I think) when he told Abraham the same, then later confessed. Yeah i'm sure he's clever and knows some basic science tricks but this was a clever play from Eugene and he has Negan fooled. Also makes me think of Goldstein a little so clever use of the character forename there :)

I enjoyed Negan more in this episode as he dropped the almost grating "woopsy daisy"act and was out ans out back to his brutal self. 

The two "Negan Wives" were great, can't remember their names though but you can see they are desperate and I think the dark haired one could get with Eugene.

I think Dwight will double-cross Negan as his time is running out. I really hated the coward at first but knowing the character more you understand him and his plight/predicament. I would love to see him finish Negan. Looking forward to his Ex wife turning up somewhere too.

The second half of S7 is doing itself justice after a slack few in early S7, namely E5 and E6 detracted a few viewers but the mid-season premiere apparently attracted over 15mil viewers in America so its still the top show, and it must be doing something right still. Anyway, I don't care for ratings much. 9 or 10 mil tune into Xfactor and I can't stand it.

So what are your thoughts for E12? Will our survivors head to Oceanside with Tara or will Rosita start making bullets at the place where Eugene showed her. Still so much more to come this season and it's really shaping up!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 6, 2017, 23:35:46
wank episode this week....


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 10:53:29
wank episode this week....
That was really bad. The Rick/Machone montage was cringe-worthy, especially the sword throwing part at the end.

Looks like the guys will be paying a visit to Oceanside very shortly.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 11:18:29
what was with the clichťd nostalgia stuff? falling through the roof, Rick's 'glen' escape, etc...

hope they explain why the rubbish people are odd, perhaps it's whats left of the Mad Max appreciation society.

yeah, Oceanside, might move on  to be better next week.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 11:20:05
I must be becoming a proper fan or some kind of apologist as I quite liked it.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:02:55
having a different opinion... heretic


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:19:27
Of course.  :girlgiggle:

As I'd read your comments before I watched it, I think you'd just lowered my expectations. I imagined an episode like the fly in breaking bad.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:26:07
Of course.  :girlgiggle:

As I'd read your comments before I watched it, I think you'd just lowered my expectations. I imagined an episode like the fly in breaking bad.

How funny, a colleague just said the same thing to me about the fly episode.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 13:28:31
I liked it. Not a lot happened. Felt a bit like old times.

I think Michonne is gonna die.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 13:48:02
I liked it. Not a lot happened. Felt a bit like old times.

I think Michonne is gonna die.

If Sasha and Rosita go through with their plan to secretly go after Negan, i dont think that will end very well for them.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 14:06:31
A lot of people are gonna be written out I reckon, there's almost too many characters now - how much have we seen of Maggie for example?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 14:22:58
A lot of people are gonna be written out I reckon, there's almost too many characters now - how much have we seen of Maggie for example?
I have a feeling you're right. I don't recall seeing Coral much of late.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 14:26:35
If Sasha and Rosita go through with their plan to secretly go after Negan, i dont think that will end very well for them.

I think it's pretty much been confirmed that at least Sasha will die, she has signed up for some sort of Star Trek series that is coming down the pipes..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 14:39:44
I think it's pretty much been confirmed that at least Sasha will die, she has signed up for some sort of Star Trek series that is coming down the pipes..
good, shes fucking annoying


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 14:56:35
Annoying or not, I'd stick it in her.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 16:36:21
Annoying or not, I'd stick it in her.
Not, no no no.
Rosita on the other hand


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, March 20, 2017, 15:18:19
Afternoon.

So did anyone watch E13 then?

I thought it was a better step up from E12 to be honest. I too didn't really enjoy the Rick and Michonne "love in" or "honeymoon"it was a little pointless Rick saying "lets just stay a couple more days.." there wasn't the best logic to it and considering it was a Greg Nicotero directed episode it disappointed me even more. I'm going to say it was the worse episode he's directed on TWD. There were still some great Cult Zombie references though, especially the "Creepshow Walker" in the ticket stall at the carnival. Did you spot it? Well, I don't know, maybe i'm just too much of a Zombie geek but I love those references.

Admittedly the Catana slo-mo throw was very cringey to me. I get the nostalgia effect but TWD (esp. Nicotero) should know by now that they don't need to do this to keep people interested. However there were some good zombie kills by the lovestruck couple, which satisfied even my partially pacifying, satanist mind (is that a thing?). Aaanyway...

Onto E13, So yes did anyone actually watch it? I was pretty surprised Richard was killed in this episode and I wasn't really expecting Morgan to regress to his days of "Clear". I thought  Lennie James played his scenes really well and it was a testament to his acting skills. He's come a long way since Snatch. The whole Melon thing was a little far fetched but I guess Richard had, had enough and wanted to start something. We all know the Saviours run a tight ship.

It was a shame Benjamin had to die but this was always going to be inevitable at some point. He won't be missed too much in all respect. The bit about the episode that got me the most was when Carol came to tell King Ez that "We need to fight" and he agreed but with the precursor  "but not today" and it cuts to her joining him in tending to his vegetable plot! Ok maybe they don't need to fight there and then, but i'm sure there are more important things like; Where the fuck is Jesus? Is Coral still an integral cast member? Did the show just write Dwight's ex-wife Sherry out the show or will we in fact see her again? Is the Junkyard going to end up being a pointless distraction, like the people at the Hospital in S5? Fucking cabbages or carnage, I know what I prefer in TWD (well I like a really good plot*) but each to their own!

I think the episode on the whole geared us up ready for the finale but we've two more episode before that, I'm really hoping this episode throws up a game changer/small plot twist/extremist Neganism/Rick red mist but I just have a feeling that like the last two, they'll be a bit "fillerish". I really hope i'm wrong and it's not an episode focusing entirely on Alexandrians long running survivor and once Carol comforter Tobin, and Aaron's lover Eric. I'm sure it won't be. Surely after the Junkyards Jadis, previous rejection of Ricks weapon offering (careful), Tara HAS to take a few survivors to Oceanside and explain their plight?

What were your thoughts on the episode? Did you enjoy similar elements or something else? Was it "totally wank" or "really enjoyable" or a bit "yehh-mehh".

Once again, await criticism and beration as standard.

Cheers,

Kev


*Definitely not a Cabbage plot


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, March 20, 2017, 19:42:24
It could've been better. Especially off the back of the previous slow episode. I've decided to wait until the series has finished and then download then all so I don't have to wade through Lost like filler.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, March 20, 2017, 20:38:49
I've gone back to the start as I have no life to speak of. It's interesting how the characters have developed


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, March 20, 2017, 21:31:52
I've gone back to the start as I have no life to speak of. It's interesting how the characters have developed

For sure, I've also no life and regularly rewatch the pilot season and season 3 & 4. The pilot episode was such a gripping introduction.

btw tonight's episode 14, was a bit more back on track and tense at times. I enjoyed it. This was more the kind of "average to good" episode. I'll stop because i'm not going to spoil it before the episode has aired here :) Enjoy.


Title: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 00:04:14
2 awful episodes sandwiching an ok one sums up the last 3. enjoyed last weeks much more

it's a shadow of its former self


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 11:25:06
I've gone back to the start as I have no life to speak of. It's interesting how the characters have developed

I've done this too.

Current series like the previous few has been a bit meh.

When its good, its fantastic but the rest of the time it can be really dull.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 13:31:16
I find myself caring less and less about each character now. They should just finish it with Carol terminating everyone in a fit of rage.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 19:08:00
They have taken too long to build it up this time that's been the big problem. I think the last 2 episodes will be quite action packed though and we will get the usual end of series cliffhanger.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 23:42:30
They have taken too long to build it up this time that's been the big problem. I think the last 2 episodes will be quite action packed though and we will get the usual end of series cliffhanger.

No, w won't get a huge cliffhanger like the end of S6. Scott Gimple, Gale Ann-Hurd and Robert Kirkman have said as much. They've said (well Gimple) that what happens in the S7 finale pretty much sets us up for the next 100 episodes (S8 E1 is the 100th ep). That's some statement of intent.

I think you're right in the length of time to build up though. Not so much E14, but E12 and E13 were very filler orientated. There was still good stuff in them but i get the frustration. E15 should be pretty tense one, which ultimately lingers on Sasha either getting killed or being saved by Daryl and Rosita.....possibly Dwight too. Then the onslaught will ensue. I think the Finale will be good and more like S3 finale, which wasn't a cliffhanger but led us on a S4 route that showed a broken Governor find his confidence again and come back at S4 MSF even more brutal. Damn I miss those times! Thought they were on track again with Negan and 'i hope I'm proved wrong.

Trouble is, the show came under a lot of complaints in both America and the UK for the graphic scenes of the S7 premiere (the US cut is even more gory in "those opening scenes" than the UK cut) so they have had to cut certain scenes from several episodes. I believe the Carl eye reveal and the Spencer kill were nearly pulled too.  Also, we all kinda hate Negan (we're supposed to) but the character has become more "loveable rogue" as the season has gone on. The truth here is, Negans comic character and many of the Saviours are total rapists too. The scene last night where Enid takes the fruit to distract the Saviour from finding Daryl and Maggie was supposed to be lets say a lot more horrific than dropping a few veggies.

 So maybe they feel like they have had to hold back in some areas, which reflects on the show as not shocking us as often as they have in the past. Come on TWD, fuck the complaints and show the real grittiness and shock of life in the twisted power driven psychopathic world!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 10:13:05
Last 3 eps haven't been great, its clearly the calm before the storm but just a bit tedious.

Question in my head is how did Daryl get to Sasha and Rosita so quickly? Even on a bike it seemed a bit rushed.

Eugene surprised me but not wanting to escape but it does seem like he's got a good gig there so maybe he thinks he's safe.

Its been 2 episodes since it was suggested that Tara was going to give up the location of Oceanside so that story-line is still to come back.

I agree with bamboonoshoe in that i'm hoping for real grittiness in the final episodes. Whilst the rape bits can stay in the comics i really want to see loads of blood and guts in the finale.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 10:19:50
Quote from: Chubbs

Question in my head is how did Daryl get to Sasha and Rosita so quickly? Even on a bike it seemed a bit rushed.

.

assuming it is Daryl


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 10:31:31
Last 3 eps haven't been great, its clearly the calm before the storm but just a bit tedious.

Question in my head is how did Daryl get to Sasha and Rosita so quickly? Even on a bike it seemed a bit rushed.

Eugene surprised me but not wanting to escape but it does seem like he's got a good gig there so maybe he thinks he's safe.

Its been 2 episodes since it was suggested that Tara was going to give up the location of Oceanside so that story-line is still to come back.

I agree with bamboonoshoe in that i'm hoping for real grittiness in the final episodes. Whilst the rape bits can stay in the comics i really want to see loads of blood and guts in the finale.

Hey man,

For sure it's the calm before the storm to war :)

Eugene didn't surprise me one bit, but I thought he may have buckled at the sight of Rosita, but yes I agree, he's got it cushy for now I guess. Win-win for him.

Yeah surprised they haven't touched on the "Tara/Oceanside" yet, it must be included in E15 surely? Before they all assemble and go ahead with the plan, even though Rosita and Sascha have inadvertently put a spanner in the works. Then again it could be a good smokescreen as the Saviours won't realise so much  that the "Two woman attack" is just the first wave of a building Tsunami!

I wasn't implying they show full on scenes like that (see The  Last House on the Left, Ted Bundy, and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (original vers.)), but an inclination that something horrific has taken place. Just so we're clear on how evil this group is meant to be, and consistently so. As awful as storylines like that can be to follow/see unfold it's a brave and good writer/producer/director that goes through with those ideas. Even some soaps approach those subjects and do it really well, in fact it helps raise awareness. I think we're all not naive enough to know that in a world like TWD, a lot more evil types would be more prominent and things like abuse would be more at the forefront of culture, after survival, quite simply because there would be no real process of stopping it. Except for someone in a group murdering the said abuser. Capital punishment, because in TWD it's either that or you get away with anything.

One other thing, who babysit's Judith now Olivia is gone and everyone else is preparing for war? Tobin? Eric? The ghost of Deanna? (sorry, i'm being a knob).  :suicide: :D :D


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 10:35:23
assuming it is Daryl

Pretty certain it is Daryl as his only real line in the show was "Where's Sascha and Rosita...?" and then he was gone. I tell you what though, if Norman Reedus doesn't play the role of Batman one day then the film industry needs better casting agents. He'd be perfect for it.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 10:38:29
Hey man,

For sure it's the calm before the storm to war :)

Eugene didn't surprise me one bit, but I thought he may have buckled at the sight of Rosita, but yes I agree, he's got it cushy for now I guess. Win-win for him.

Yeah surprised they haven't touched on the "Tara/Oceanside" yet, it must be included in E15 surely? Before they all assemble and go ahead with the plan, even though Rosita and Sascha have inadvertently put a spanner in the works. Then again it could be a good smokescreen as the Saviours won't realise so much  that the "Two woman attack" is just the first wave of a building Tsunami!

I wasn't implying they show full on scenes like that (see The  Last House on the Left, Ted Bundy, and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (original vers.)), but an inclination that something horrific has taken place. Just so we're clear on how evil this group is meant to be, and consistently so. As awful as storylines like that can be to follow/see unfold it's a brave and good writer/producer/director that goes through with those ideas. Even some soaps approach those subjects and do it really well, in fact it helps raise awareness. I think we're all not naive enough to know that in a world like TWD, a lot more evil types would be more prominent and things like abuse would be more at the forefront of culture, after survival, quite simply because there would be no real process of stopping it. Except for someone in a group murdering the said abuser. Capital punishment, because in TWD it's either that or you get away with anything.

One other thing, who babysit's Judith now Olivia is gone and everyone else is preparing for war? Tobin? Eric? The ghost of Deanna? (sorry, i'm being a knob).  :suicide: :D :D

Probably CORAL. The only thing he's good for.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 10:39:45
assuming it is Daryl
I was in bed streaming it low def on my iPhone and i could still tell it was Daryl.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 10:45:53
I was in bed streaming it low def on my iPhone and i could still tell it was Daryl.

 :D :D :D :D :D (sorry Batch)  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 10:49:43
Tbf to Batch though, the only other person it could be (who has a bow) would be Dwight....  :cupid:


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 12:00:54
yes i meant it could be Dwight.

She seemed to shit herself when she saw whoever it was. which would be an odd reaction to Daryl..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 12:09:03
yes i meant it could be Dwight.

She seemed to shit herself when she saw whoever it was. which would be an odd reaction to Daryl..
It was dark, maybe she saw what the audience saw. a silhouette. Nothing is ever black and white with this show, so anything is possible. maybe CORAL has come back to fuck things up as usual.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 13:43:11
I thought it was Dwight.

The preview for the next episode suggests they pay a visit to Oceansiders...


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 13:48:07
I thought it was Dwight.

The preview for the next episode suggests they pay a visit to Oceansiders...

Ahh my stream cut off before that. Normaly i head over to youtube to check it out but it was late.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 22, 2017, 17:33:08
assuming it is Daryl

Yeah, that's not Daryl, it's Dwight.  This will be the beginning of him defecting to Rick's gang..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 12:01:43
Pretty generic TWD related question but do any of you guys watch The Talking Dead? I used to but haven't watched as many as I usually do. For some reason it's been really hard to find a TTD related link which is bizarre. I know the shows popular in America...as it's live. Almost as popular as TWD itself. Chris Hardwick is ace, in the sense that as well as being a fan/geek/nerd his humour is different to that of most american chat shows. I feel he presents well to the UK viewer.

Anyway, I'll post about S7 E15 later if any of you can bare to read it. FWIW...I thought it was a good episode.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 13:13:12
Good episode, with the Dwight reveal at the end that we knew would come. Oceanside stuff was OK too, they have what they need for the mad max group to enter now.

Get the impression the whole Negan thing is going to drag and fill up the whole of the first half of the next season though, I'm bored of it.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 07:59:41
Good episode, with the Dwight reveal at the end that we knew would come. Oceanside stuff was OK too, they have what they need for the mad max group to enter now.

Get the impression the whole Negan thing is going to drag and fill up the whole of the first half of the next season though, I'm bored of it.

Completely agree.

Simply can't see how they resolve the whole Negan problem in a whole episode. There's been no training, no planning, nothing. Are they just going to rush his camp en masse?

Can't help but think the sniper idea that Sasha wanted to do is the answer to be honest. When she scoped him so easily it made every other plan look silly.


Title: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 09:15:49
i can only see the ending of the next episode being the coming together of all the groups with a war face, tooled up and ready to fight.

wouldn't be surprised if somebody double crosses Rick.

all speculation, not read comics/spoilers


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 09:35:10
i can only see the ending of the next episode being the coming together of all the groups with a war face, tooled up and ready to fight.

wouldn't be surprised if somebody double crosses Rick.

all speculation, not read comics/spoilers

Again agreed.

TWD is capable of throwing a random twist in, so maybe something unexpected will happen. It'd be kind of good/funny, if Sasha simply slips him the poison and he's gone before anything happens.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 10:30:54
Pretty generic TWD related question but do any of you guys watch The Talking Dead? I used to but haven't watched as many as I usually do. For some reason it's been really hard to find a TTD related link which is bizarre. I know the shows popular in America...as it's live. Almost as popular as TWD itself. Chris Hardwick is ace, in the sense that as well as being a fan/geek/nerd his humour is different to that of most american chat shows. I feel he presents well to the UK viewer.

Anyway, I'll post about S7 E15 later if any of you can bare to read it. FWIW...I thought it was a good episode.

Yeah I watch the talking Dead, it's on Fox an hour after the Monday night showing of the new episode.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 13:41:21
Yeah I watch the talking Dead, it's on Fox an hour after the Monday night showing of the new episode.

Oh sorry Berni, I understand its on FOX straight after but I'm cheap (usually watch it at bro in laws) and when I'm not watching it elsewhere I tend to find a stream of it just like TWD. It just seems harder to find TTD streams as opposed to TWD streams due to it's increased popularity.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, April 3, 2017, 13:12:55
Well!! S7 Finale... Not to be missed.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, April 3, 2017, 13:29:08
That's some serious rose tinted specs there, imo.

I thought it was annoying, predictable and another exercise in milking the viewer. I won't be rushing for the next series.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, April 3, 2017, 15:23:22
That's some serious rose tinted specs there, imo.

I thought it was annoying, predictable and another exercise in milking the viewer. I won't be rushing for the next series.

Not rose tinted at all. I don't think for a minute they milked the viewer (ok, very, very slightly). Actually thought they learnt their lessons from the last finale and did as many fans asked in not leaving us hanging. A finale will always throw up some kind of hanging element but they didn't go all out to leave us wondering. They are however allowed to give a compelling, humbling and reflecting episode without being bashed for it. Then again when you're at the top a lot of people want to find ways to bring you down. It's all about opinions I guess and I respect yours.






Cunt.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, April 3, 2017, 19:28:03
Not rose tinted at all. I don't think for a minute they milked the viewer (ok, very, very slightly). Actually thought they learnt their lessons from the last finale and did as many fans asked in not leaving us hanging. A finale will always throw up some kind of hanging element but they didn't go all out to leave us wondering. They are however allowed to give a compelling, humbling and reflecting episode without being bashed for it. Then again when you're at the top a lot of people want to find ways to bring you down. It's all about opinions I guess and I respect yours.

Cunt.

I absolutely respect yours.

I think what annoyed me is we had all that build up and then what felt like a bit of a cop out. I hate the way Negan, predictably I suppose, got out scot-free. And every time someone's near him they seem to let him live. I hoped it'd be a simple bite from Sasha. Then I hoped the tiger mauled him, in more than a Hull-fan's way. Then I hoped Dwight offed him...

I get that the writers/producers wanted to make us feel that, but they ALWAYS make us feel that. I suppose we're gluttons as we keep coming back and they know it. I think what I find most annoying, is this series has been like a few in the past where it's all build up and then nothing really happens.

And Negan could be so much more if he actually displayed something more substantial in his character than petty-rogue. I don't even understand how he rules over so many when he doesn't even come across as particularly unhinged or intimidating. And he has almost no protection. He walks everywhere without a care in the world.

He could be a properly evil villain. He started well, but now he's just a smug twat that's not scary, does nothing particularly bad, and is as annoying to watch as Hershall was. Countless people could, and should, just knock him off.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, April 3, 2017, 22:20:14
That was utterly terrible. Was it me or was the audio all over the place. I found I had to keep adjusting the volume on my TV.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, April 3, 2017, 22:20:42
I really enjoyed that. I wasn't expecting a resolution but that was an excellent piece of TV and demonstrated that it's possible to create tension with threat and not outright gore.

Next season should be interesting.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 07:21:38
Well, I didn't see any of that coming. What a massive surprise.

i can only see the ending of the next episode being the coming together of all the groups with a war face, tooled up and ready to fight.

wouldn't be surprised if somebody double crosses Rick.

all speculation, not read comics/spoilers

Oh wait. Yes I did. It was all fucking obvious.  But not only that they put tedious bits with Abraham and Sasha in it.

Good bit: Sasha the zombie. The double cross wasn't who I'd thought it would be. Eugine.

Everything else was obvious and turd. And the tiger, don't get me started on the tiger. How the fuck did they train it to only target the bad guys amongst all the others. FFS. Oh and 'badass' Michone suddenly forgot how to fight too.

Ran out of patience now, may just binge watch the next season. That way I don't have to suffer weeks of frustration to get rid of the utterly pathetic pantomime jeffrey dean morgan.
-----
yes some of the sound was a bit mumbley. Assumed it was my cloth ears.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 08:51:50
I'm with Batch. Really disappointing series and in the next series we can look forward to Rick fighting Negan with other groups taking sides or ducking out or double crossing each other so essentially more of the same. Would have been better to have it done and dusted this series and move on.
Its a bit like Dr Who - loved it and still in love with the concept and feel a bit dirty criticising but its been crap for a while and the signs are it ain;t going to change - hold on a bit STFC like as well.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 10:24:07
On the whole, I thought the episode was a bit shit.  Haven't watched this week's Talking Dead yet so haven't heard their explanations of what the thinking was behind some of the dafter bits.  Missed large chunks of most of the one-to-one dialogues because the sound level was so low during those parts. Had to keep turning the volume up to catch any of it!

One of the explanations I may have missed was why, if Dwight was just doing a simple double-cross and then left Alexandria on his own to meet up with Negan's lot, did he bother going to the trouble of cutting down those trees to block the road?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 10:42:40
i suspect he's still genuine on taking down negan, but is maintaining his cover.

which was probably your point..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 11:13:08
He also left that message for Darryl written on the toy soldier - "didn't know"


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 13:13:19
Ooooh, that's what that was. Meant to google that, then forgot all about it. Cheers SY


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 13:59:56
Ooooh, that's what that was. Meant to google that, then forgot all about it. Cheers SY

Yeah, last season Dwight was seen making these little wooden soldiers when Darryl originally met Dwight in the woods with his Mrs.  I guess this is why he thinks that Darryl will put 2 and 2 together without him risking dropping himself in the shit if Negan found it..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, April 5, 2017, 16:33:10
Yeah, last season Dwight was seen making these little wooden soldiers when Darryl originally met Dwight in the woods with his Mrs.  I guess this is why he thinks that Darryl will put 2 and 2 together without him risking dropping himself in the shit if Negan found it..

Yeah actually think they are handmade chess pieces. In the S7 E2: The Well, in the opening scene Dwight is seen playing a board game with one of the Saviours women. Not Sherry, but some other woman. She then downs a shot of something but when I saw the figure and "Didn't Know" I was like...ahh clever (some may think different, but I like those little touches). Not massively significant but reduces continuity errors (i'm aware every show/film/production has them though, intentionally or unintentionally).

It wasn't a perfect episode but I did enjoy it and as Sonic Youth says, it was good they could show a finale without going all out gore. I'd like to know if Junkyard actually were already an offshoot of The Saviours, and I'd still like to know why they still talk like some retarded being/ alien lifeform. Also why didn't Jadis just shoot Rick on that platform (I mean headshot)??

Ok so the general main characters have to remain so this can make a "faceoff" situation seem a little farfetched but like any series we already know that this is the constant. It's when a lead or supporting lead gets killed that makes you sit up. Like Glenn and Abe.

Wasn't too fussed by the Abe/Sascha bits but it was only to depict her drifting in and out of consciousness, so I'm neither annoyed or overjoyed. Unlike Tyreese when he drifted and died, which I really enjoyed as I didn't want Tyreese to go. You could say as siblings Ty and Sasch had similar exits with the flashbacks/conscious loss etc. Maybe that was intentional but whatever i'm drifting haha.

The thing that actually threw me was I was expecting something to happen with Negan in this meet up and nothing happened to him. I'm not going to say what but if it does mirror the comics then they will probably do it at S8 MSF.

However, S8 SP is the 100th episode, so I imagine Kirkman has saved much of the story or action for that (we know what TV is like and hyping up for numbers etc. Which imo is the biggest shame. Just write and produce, but it's a global brand now), I don't really like that element of any show but the price of success sometimes mean you have to tow the Production Company line, AMC in this case. Hopefully it doesn't get too lost in it's own success. I can see why some of you are concerned/pissed off/annoyed with how it goes at times but even GoT, Prison Break, BB, and such like are all guilty of having a bad Season. I don't think this was a particularly bad season overall. Just a slightly stagnant at times season, a bit like the pond where the boathouse was.

Apologies Berniman, because I've hacked an answered quote and turned it into my "weekly TWD" post. Anyway, so if you was annoyed or peeved at some of the episodes this season, what would you like to see in S8? How would you like it to pan out? Not what you think, but what you'd like? How would you like to see events unfold from the mini aftermath of S7 SF, in the 100th ep, S8 SP? There are still major players to enter stage left in the Seasons and it's a really interesting group, how this all pulls together, i'm not sure but i'm certain the show still has plenty to keep us interested for a while yet. It's almost like a relationship and it's the longest one i've held down so i'm going to keep on for a while longer :) ;D ;D

Keep the faith guys, being Town fans, nothing is ever going to be easy. I await the usual derailment of my musings, but as always, any of your comments or response are appreciated, even yours Barry Scott ;) Plus I enjoy reading everyone else's opinions on the matter as a) I have no life and  b) well i'm just an out and out TWD geek. Which probably explains my single status too  :D :D :suicide:


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 5, 2017, 16:53:41
No problem from my side, I enjoy your posts on this, you obviously study things a lot deeper than me.  I'm glad you corrected my error on the making the wooden soldiers, I was going on what I thought I remembered rather than what you say, which is way more likely to be correct than my memory.  The basis is still the same though..

My answer as to why no headsot?  Junkyard had obviously done a deal with the saviours, and Negan always said that he would never kill Rick as he needed Rick to keep everyone else in line.  If he killed Rick then he risked losing the rest of the group.  The way to effect Rick was to threaten or end one of his family.  This would say to me that Negan would have said "help me double cross them, I will reward you, but nobody kills Rick"


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, April 5, 2017, 17:04:47
No problem from my side, I enjoy your posts on this, you obviously study things a lot deeper than me.  I'm glad you corrected my error on the making the wooden soldiers, I was going on what I thought I remembered rather than what you say, which is way more likely to be correct than my memory.  The basis is still the same though..

My answer as to why no headsot?  Junkyard had obviously done a deal with the saviours, and Negan always said that he would never kill Rick as he needed Rick to keep everyone else in line.  If he killed Rick then he risked losing the rest of the group.  The way to effect Rick was to threaten or end one of his family.  This would say to me that Negan would have said "help me double cross them, I will reward you, but nobody kills Rick"

It was actually S7:E3 The Cell (Daryls Episode), so apologies but you're right the basis is the same.

Ahh that figures more. I was just thinking in the moment, as that seemed like their plan had gone tits up a bit but I guess if that was the deal struck then she stuck to her word.

Thanks though :)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, April 6, 2017, 10:45:12
I think i'm more pissed of with Coral getting a reprieve AGAIN!!  Just die already.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 20:09:53
Well, there's been no talk for a while so I thought seeing as the new season started last night (or early monday am for some of us...Ahem...) and there's been no mention so far from the small group of us. Maybe you're waiting for me to do my TWD Weekly? Surely not?

So which of you watched the 100th Episode, A.K.A S8:E1? Season 8! Wow. How did you think it went? Stop reading now if you have no interest of hearing my opinion on this ;)

Ok, so for the 100th episode I'll not lie. I was expecting something a bit more dramatic or shocking. That's not to say though that it wasn't good, because it was good. Good enough to lead us into this season? Yes. One of the best episodes? Certainly not.

The episode opens (as most of us will now know) with the aftermath of betrayal by the Junkyard/Scavengers and leader Jadis. As far as we know, most of the Junkyard/Scavengers have scarpered/been eaten/killed but no one really knows where Jadis may be. Rick leads a rallying call to his trusted allies (Hilltop/Kingdom/Alexandria) to launch an attack on the remaining Saviours at Negan's compound, The Sanctuary. All the work is going towards this battle so The Hilltop are busy forging weapons, armour, etc. Rick is formulating a strategy to divert Saviour outposts and King Ezequiel is mouthing prose somewhere like a heavenly preacher (his role is starting to grate me a little). We then have a very advanced, or what seems like a very advanced "flash-forward". We see a glimpse of rick surrounded by light and a greyer, longer beard. Is this a future foreshadowing of how the whole compendium will end? Who knows but it was designed to intrigue, and intrigue it did!

Ricks plan of attack goes to...well err...plan and the allies make it into The Sanctuary, form a defence wall with their armoured vehicles and some strategic explosives. All good so far, albeit a little dragging for a SP and 100th episode (Robert Kirkman did say it would be an "explosive" episode so technically he wasn't lying but mehh). They draw Negan out of the compound and to me, Jeffrey Dean-Morgan's entrance to the latest season is as ever comical, sadistic and carefree as any socio-psychopath that he has been throughout. To me he's a love to hate character and that's what he should be. His delivery is good 95% of the time. You're just sat there waiting for him to snap, go into psycho mode and randomly bash someone to bits. He's so unhinged which is what makes him great. "shitting pants" Quality. We'll comeback to that.

Negan listens to Rick and with his cocky charm then springs a deserter onto the Allies in Gregory (the former and ousted Hilltop leader). We all know Gregory is a coward so there was no shock on my part. However several of the Hilltop must've been torn at this moment. Thankfully Jesus opens up and replies with "The Hilltop stands with Maggie". As leader elect, she then backs Jesus' comment and then Rick takes his opportunity to open up on them with a very nice AK-47. Exchanges ensue and then we're left with Negan cowering behind a burnt out vehicle and Rick trying to shoot him. Gabriel stops Rick and then as they're about to leave, Gabriel see's the cowardly Gregory and takes pity on him, telling him to wait until it's clear. The obvious happens and Gregory gets into Gabriels car and drives off, leaving Gabe surrounded by walkers. Gabe makes it into some kind of portacabin and has a chance to breathe. At this point he thinks all is fine...

Just a reference back to the flash-forward, a little later in the episode there is another one and Rick is wearing a robe, has a stick and is with Michonne  as they share a kiss. With Carl present, Rick has managed to become an old man. Seemingly in this flash-forward the world is back to normal and people are living their lives as they were in pre apocalyptic times. This is more likely a myth/screen for something else but i'm not sure exactly what at this time? Some other writers/bloggers have said they think this could be foreshadowing  how this all ends (as a dream etc. but Kirkman has said he'll never end it that way) but none of that really adds up for me yet. If it was that then it wouldn't include Michonne as he would've most likely never have met her in real life!That's going to be a running curveball that will drive us all nuts this season. What's your theories on this? or can you extract form the comics some similarities what may be about to come?

...Gabriel thinks he's found a temporary safe haven and then, out of the shadows, the sadistic smirk and laugh of our familiar foe becomes evident as Negan emerges to the frightened rabbit of Gabriel with the awesome delivery of "I hope you've got you're shitting pants on...cos you're about to shit your pants!" The camera pans away and out from the portacabin and the end credits roll.

How was the S8 SP for you guys? Did you enjoy it? It was a slightly slower burner for me be it wasn't crap. What will become of Gabriel? Will Negan pulp him to bits? He has become a liability again and he stopped Rick from eliminating Negan (kind of glas in a way, the show does need him). Will Negan convince him, through fear, to join up with The Saviours and give him all the perks of living in the Sanctuary? What next for the Allies? Do they have a follow up plan or was that it? It worked to a degree but they've only pissed of a very erratic wasp in Negan who is sure to attack soon. Maybe Negan will send Gabriel back in a box in not as great a state as he arrived in? and what of the flash-forwards, what is your feeling about that?

 It's hard not to question the TV series route with all this and where it may lead. There are still plenty of other groups to make an appearance and significant characters, if the writers decide to include them from the comics. However there are so many open and unfinished paths that I hope it doesn't get too lost in a ravell of plotlines. To me they need to close certain ones left open from S7 and keep to the main and work on the detail just as it once always was. However we do know that Kirkman has said there will be a crossover of TWD & FTWD either at the end of S8 or start of S9, so if they're going to tie up loose ends within TWD then they'll have to be quick about it. I just don't think they have the time to; a) run and develop this season; whilst b) tying up loose ends; to c) merging/crossing over with FTWD. That's another thing to think about though and we'll talk more about that as it happens, I guess.

So give me your thoughts and theories about the SP of TWD and what you think may be in store for the season ahead! As always, if you got this far...thanks so much for reading/listening/watching. Now give me that TWD feedback in your own words.

Cheers, Bamboo!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 23:02:56
I'm not going to go into too much depth here.

tldr version: underwhelming.

Firstly I and the entire internet I'd wager really didn't buy into the writers "Thick Rick". There he was, with a fuck tun of guns, all of the lieutenants and Negan lined up in a row. Does he unleash a firestorm hell, nah, he talks to him and gives him an ultimatum and a countdown. The Prick.

The Gregory twist was quite good, up until the writers unleash "thick Gabe". Gets duped. Then ends up in a shed carrying an automatic weapon with Mr OTT and his shiting pants rubbish. And will he shoot him...place your bets.

Daryl was cool though. King Azazel was alright. Carole was OK. The tiger would make a nice rug...

And the "flash forwards/sideways/fantasy shots"....was convinced Rick was dreaming them recovering  having been hurt as the plan failed. But nope. Most odd. Had Micchone/Carl aged at all?

So yeah. Underwhelmed as a season opener, as an episode and particularly as a 100th episode.

I've lost the "must see at all costs" element of the walking dead somewhat. But I'm in now, I can't leave it. They've "Smallvilled" me. I have to know how it all ends.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 23:30:54
I'm not going to go into too much depth here.

tldr version: underwhelming.

Firstly I and the entire internet I'd wager really didn't buy into the writers "Thick Rick". There he was, with a fuck tun of guns, all of the lieutenants and Negan lined up in a row. Does he unleash a firestorm hell, nah, he talks to him and gives him an ultimatum and a countdown. The Prick.

The Gregory twist was quite good, up until the writers unleash "thick Gabe". Gets duped. Then ends up in a shed carrying an automatic weapon with Mr OTT and his shiting pants rubbish. And will he shoot him...place your bets.

Daryl was cool though. King Azazel was alright. Carole was OK. The tiger would make a nice rug...

And the "flash forwards/sideways/fantasy shots"....was convinced Rick was dreaming them recovering  having been hurt as the plan failed. But nope. Most odd. Had Micchone/Carl aged at all?

So yeah. Underwhelmed as a season opener, as an episode and particularly as a 100th episode.

I've lost the "must see at all costs" element of the walking dead somewhat. But I'm in now, I can't leave it. They've "Smallvilled" me. I have to know how it all ends.

I admire your unblemished honesty. I too have certain reservations that I mentioned above. I am a considerable geek of this show. Yep, they've got me by the balls but i'm still very able to criticise the show or it's direction. However like yourself I have to keep watching until the "end end". It was a decent episode, I hope it just means it'll build and get better. Morgan was good but Lenny is a great actor and will always get good work.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 07:06:03
The flash forwards are them living in a rebuilt Alexandria. I must admit, I ended up confused so I googled it. Apparently (regarding the flash forwards) all will be revealed in episode 8 - 9.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 08:11:02
As Batch already said. Why didn't rick shoot negan when he was stood on the balcony.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 09:15:48
, I hope it just means it'll build and get better.

And I think therein lies my issue. I'm getting bored with baddy of the season/season(s)...its getting a bit stale for me. Predictable. And its drawn out much much too long, the pacing is too slow. Plus I can't stand Morgan's portrayal of Negan.

For me it now needs an overarching endgame. Maybe they just figure Rick will die when the series gets canned. Maybe they have some safe haven, cure  or something else. Maybe they have this.

The FTWD crossocer better be that the FTWD group get annihilated, because while I have a few issues with TWD, they are nothing compared to that turgid poopfest. I gave up on it mid season 2.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 09:25:35
And I think therein lies my issue. I'm getting bored with baddy of the season/season(s)...its getting a bit stale for me. Predictable. And its drawn out much much too long, the pacing is too slow. Plus I can't stand Morgan's portrayal of Negan.

For me it now needs an overarching endgame. Maybe they just figure Rick will die when the series gets canned. Maybe they have some safe haven, cure  or something else. Maybe they have this.

The FTWD crossocer better be that the FTWD group get annihilated, because while I have a few issues with TWD, they are nothing compared to that turgid poopfest. I gave up on it mid season 2.
Its a vicious circle. Once Negan is gone, another bad group will appear and then another. Its getting too repetitive.
They have to finish this soon.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, October 27, 2017, 16:27:50
I feel the trouble here is, as many of you have said, Negan could be an awesome villain. It started with the bar pushed so high, however many American viewers could not handle the violent scenes shown on S7:E1. The Day Will Come When You Won't Be (aka The Season 7 Premiere). They were shocked, maybe this forced AMC's hand (from a purely ratings and viewing numbers POV) and edited/scaled back other violent scenes and felt they needed to lighten the vibe. I think I may have touched on this before.... I'm well aware that the scene with Olivia (S7:E7) was edited and scaled back to be less graphic. However that episode did include the spilling of Spencer's guts! Olivia then met her untimely death in that very episode too. It also seems many American viewers can't handle the word "Fuck" in a final production so many scripts have had it changed to "screwing" or "messing" etc. That's not to say a reason or excuse for a lack of quality in delivery but sometimes certain scenarios need certain words to make them more real. Especially if you're realllly angry. There are other scenes that have been dropped (thanks to our american friends), "Negan's Harem" have cut out brutal scenes that are, quite rightly, designed to make us feel uncomfortable.

My last point (as I know i've rambled) is this; I find it ironic that certain viewers find the word "Fuck" offensive and other scenes  like when Abe & Rosita got it on and Eugene watched (It's the end of of the world as they know it, surely he can be forgiven?), whilst they were on their way to Washington D.C (later Eugene reveals his cure theory is all a lie). Yet they can be quite happy to see someone get their jugular ripped out or have their leg chopped of with no anaesthetic? I guess that's not all Americans but could be said for people the world over. A bit like Hallow'een and people then going to Church the following day as if it's normal to dress as "something from hell" but they play "Saint Peter" on Sundays!

I've said my piece. I hope this coming Monday's episode is just a little better, a little more gruesome, a little more "wow, wasn't expecting that!" and maybe answer a few questions lingering from the S8P. I'm going to be disappointed aren't I? I hope not :)



Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2017, 16:34:44
Its JDM's delivery of Negan that annoys me more. One dimensional..

Yeah the cut graphic nature could hammer home how horrible he is, but we get that. An iron on the face isn't a picture of a bed of roses.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, October 27, 2017, 16:49:16
Its JDM's delivery of Negan that annoys me more. One dimensional..

Yeah the cut graphic nature could hammer home how horrible he is, but we get that. An iron on the face isn't a picture of a bed of roses.

This is not a criticism and his delivery does grate on me at times but you do realise he is playing the role of a psychopath? He's meant to be enjoying what he is doing. JDM is a good actor but I wonder if it's the show edits that's denying us true representation of this? Unfortunately we will probably never be privy to know this :/ Don't get me wrong though, I'm as disappointed as you are at times because I want the old gritty tense TWD back.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 14:17:10
8x02

Well, if last weeks was a bit meh, this weeks was a total fucking confused mess.

How do you fuck up an action episode. Here's  how
 - Start off by making it feel like you missed an episode
 - add two sets of randoms + Aaron in a shootout and leave the viewer to work out WTF is going on and who is who.
 - Add Carole, Aza and the fucking tiger chasing hand grenade man, in case he tips off the Saviours they are attack. You know, the ones that have already attacked earlier.
 - Turn  morgan into Robocop. Actually this but was good fun and given he think he's immortal not too stupid
 - Turn Jesus into actual Jesus, forgiving everyone.
 - Send Rick and Daryl into somewhere on some vague plan or other to get guns from what I though was the main Saviours hold, but wasn't, even though it looked like Daryl's cell. And then get Rick blindsided by non other than.......thingmy dude that was in it ages ago that .... er.. wait...let me google who he is again while we wait for Daryl to save the day.
- Obviously don't mention what hapened with shitting pants and Negan.

Now I'd imagine all this will be explained, drawn out over some episodes, and I'll go aasaaaah. But as a standalone episode it was confused and poor. The director should be fed to the walkers.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 16:28:33
I went down to Senoia on Sunday, place was packed with people on walking tours.  Popped into a local bar, got talking to some locals and ended up getting four free pints.  I still have only ever watched one episode.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 10:25:36
8x02

Well, if last weeks was a bit meh, this weeks was a total fucking confused mess.

How do you fuck up an action episode. Here's  how
 - Start off by making it feel like you missed an episode
 - add two sets of randoms + Aaron in a shootout and leave the viewer to work out WTF is going on and who is who.
 - Add Carole, Aza and the fucking tiger chasing hand grenade man, in case he tips off the Saviours they are attack. You know, the ones that have already attacked earlier.
 - Turn  moran into Robocop. Actually this but was good fun and given he think he's immortal not too stupid
 - Turn Jesus into actual Jesus, forgiving everyone.
 - Send Rick and Daryl into somewhere on some vague plan or other to get guns from what I though was the main Saviours hold, but wasn't, even though it looked like Daryl's cell. And then get Rick blindsided by non other than.......thingmy dude that was in it ages ago that .... er.. wait...let me google who he is again while we wait for Daryl to save the day.
- Obviously don't mention what hapened with shitting pants and Negan.

Now I'd imagine all this will be explained, drawn out over some episodes, and I'll go aasaaaah. But as a standalone episode it was confused and poor. The director should be fed to the walkers.


Fucking this. Didn't follow this episode at all.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 14:35:25
I had to check they hadn't stuck another episode on before that I missed!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 17:06:15
Agreed. That episode was a cluster fuck. It was one of those that on previous occasions would have had me throwing in the towel.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 17:12:19
This is not a criticism and his delivery does grate on me at times but you do realise he is playing the role of a psychopath? He's meant to be enjoying what he is doing.

Missed this. I wish to second Batchís Negan thing.

We know heís a apparently a psycho, but like Iíd said previously, he doesnít actually come across as a psycho. He comes across as an annoying twat.

Apart from when he battered Glen, heís not really done anything remotely intimidating and some how manages to be tantamount to invincible.

Heís such a shit ďbaddieĒ that I donít even want him dead, I donít hate him, he doesnít make me fear for characters, Iíd just rather he fucked off so we donít have to watch and listen to his pathetic theatrics anymore.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 19:19:24
S8E2:

Well, what can I say. I agree with Batch for a fair part here. There were however some decent reveals and good elements. It was, on the whole though frustrating in certain scenes. I'll start with the Director.

Rosemary Rodriguez directed only her second ever episode of TWD. Her first one being.....from S7 episode, Sing Me a Song. That wasn't a terrible episode but it was the episode where Negan befriended Carl, showed him around the Sanctuary, made him take off his eye bandage, and took up residence in Alexandria for the day. He was almost just a regular nice guy and revealed a few more layers of Negan. In this latest episode, S8 The Damned, things however get a tad convoluted.

It starts with a weird face montage which I don't know what the show was trying to achieve but it appeared pretty cringy. So Tara, Morgan & Jesus start ambushing the observatory that they had cleared of Saviours before (S6:E11 or 12). Morgan, as Batch says, seems to have become this immortal being. It's not fully out of character though, Morgan does just need a focus. See the episode clear where Rick see's Morgan for the first time and he is just "clearing" every Walker that comes through, almost in delirium. He's with two other guys, infiltrating the quarters when they're shot at and we're meant to think all three have been killed. We later find Morgan is still alive. Tara and Jesus split from Morgan where they find a man who's pissed his pants and begs for their mercy. Tara wants to kill him, Jesus says no (no pun). This is the most frustrating and infuriating part of the episode for me. Just fucking kill him. You know The Saviours "ethos" you know they don't give a damn about anyone and considering the brutality our survivors have been through (although you could argue that Jesus & Tara weren't in the line-up that witnessed the psychologically altering, skull smashing of Abe & Glen). It just didn't wash and this was definitely way wide of character. Did it make them seem more human? No. Not in that scenario and not how we've seen both characters develop. For the purposes of the show, the guy the ended up tying up, was a total unknown to them so there was no emotional attachment of sorts. Just get rid of him. It was a pointless scene. The other bit with the remaining Saviors, who down weapons and Morgan, after coming round and killing some more Saviours appears bemused that they all seem to have met a peacekeeping agreement was ok and Lennie James again acted his parts well (even if he is now Robocop/Terminator).

The other part which annoyed me and this character is increasingly grating on me as the episodes recede is the whole "stature" of King Ezekiel. To be honest his character even admits to Carol, in the episode annoyingly "Fake it till you make it...babyyy."
It was their pursual of one, yes one guy from a Saviour controlled pharmacy lab that was frustrating as they again wasted ammunition (which incredibly King Ez, says to not waste because fucking Shiva ends him anyway!). In the aftermath of him letting off a smoke bomb/chaff grenade and unleash walkers that had been trapped within the building, he gets his come uppence from the ammunition depleted Shiva (everyone's favourite house trained Tiger). They continue on in the direction the man led them after following his blood trail, to the next Saviour outpost thinking it's all jobby dunny, however The Saviours know they are coming.

The other bits do kind of make sense and weren't as confusing. If you'd been looking at the notes that Dwight's been sending it's pretty much intel on Saviour outpost. That's the continued plan to take those outposts ermm out and weaken Negan's army, to gain control or at least take Negan hostage (just a guess, I don't know if they will or not).

So while Aaron & Eric attack a Saviour warehouse which was quite clever strategy in shooting so many, drawing the others out but holding their position. Retreating slightly, drawing the other Saviours closer knowing full well the "dead" Saviours would turn and start to attack/eat/distract the remaining Saviours. It was a clever play so those scene didn't fuss me too much. It obviously ended with Aaron carrying a shot Eric away.

Then their was the Rick and Daryl mission, again it was fine as part of the plan, after all Dwight's intel had informed them of a Saviour gun stash hidden there. No real confusion as such but when it's found to be empty they split up which I found ridiculous. Just search each room out together and cover each other. Standard two man rule. The predictable happens and Rick fights a man who he ends up spiking on a shelf bracket. He shortly finds, behind a concealed doorway a baby in a crib who we know as "Gracie". Rick spirals into regret as he realises he's still a human being after all and not just a post apocalyptic killing machine. I found that more real than the "Tara & Jesus" scene, as we've seen Rick break down before after reflecting on his actions. In truth this shows the true decency of the character we remember at the beginning and somewhat even before the apocalypse began. I liked that bit even if he should've been more on guard in that moment. The photograph he was looking at is then revealed  in real life as Morales. Me being me, I liked this reference back to Morales. Yes I did remember who he was and if I'm right, we first saw him in S1:E3 after doing an Atlanta mission with Glenn? But I think he and his family parted at the end of the next episode which I always remember the name of, Vatos. It's the one where they come across a gang who are actually looking after oldies in a Nursing home. Anyway, I think the reintroduction of Morales was a good call. The fact he's joined up with The Saviours is interesting twist and I wonder if his family are still alive?

Final irks for me, which mirror Batch's comments are;

They've left us hanging with no reference to Gabriel & Lord of The Shitting Pants. They could've ditched the Tara&Jesus scene and done a small two minute scene of either Gabriel begging for mercy or a small battle ensuing between Negan and himself.

We've not seen any true closure yet(probably thankfully) of the Scavengers/Junkyard. We know Jadis is still alive and surely some others escaped. I think they were a poor plotline from S7 but if we're not going to hear of them anymore, especially Jadis, then it needs to be written out and presented to the viewer. Just so we can say, thanks but goodbye.

The episode did make you feel like you'd missed one from between (1a or whatever). Are they trying to do what the Stranger Things writers have done with their S2E2 whereby the episode bears no real relevance to the story as a who? Ok, TWD wasn't that extreme but I did feel like I'd missed a week.

All in all my guess is S8E3: Monsters, will have to be a fairly brutal or shocking episode. If Negan is true to his character then he's going to be seriously pissed off with the attack on Saviour outposts. Can he just eliminate Gabriel and also Gregory while he's at it, as these two are now pointless characters only holding the pace up. There was a time when I thought we'd find out Gabriel was a former criminal or had a shady past and had found God but alas they never developed his character, it's time for him to go. Gregory is just an annoying and predictable coward. Someone would've killed him along time ago as he'll just betray whoever to keep himself sweet. The development of Morales will be interesting but they have to ramp the season up otherwise the ratings will start to drop more. We can take the odd one or even two poor episodes and while this wasn't an awful episode, it just felt disjointed and detached from the core of the show.

Still looking forward to E3 but it really needs to be a good one, followed by another one in E4. That'll take us to the quarter nicely and build for the MSF. Just stop dancing around and give us the real TWD back. We shall, as always, see.

Strike up your opinion on my comments here, I'm always up for hearing your thoughts on TWD whether they differ or mirror mine. I'm a big fan of he show still but I can also be it's worse critic. Thanks for reading/listening/viewing and I'll have an installment once again, this time next week!

Cheers, Bamboo


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, November 2, 2017, 23:47:55
I'm done with it. It's a shame. Was fantastic now rehashing the same old shit. I want to be entertained, I couldn't give a shit how clever they are introducing a character you might have seen for 2 seconds 5 years ago. Like others before it, its got it's head up its own arse.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 3, 2017, 10:14:22
Well Bamboo, its clear you are dedicated fan. I say that with respect not derision.

Straight after the episode I had to look up what happened and found most of what you wrote above. While that can be quite rewarding at times it is a bit tiresome too.

Another issue I didn't mention is that its become a bit too 'big' in plot and I think its suffering. I think that there are too many characters, and like plates on a pole you have to keep spinning them. At some point you forget which one is at what stage and one falls down. Maybe Negan is suffering from this, bad...vanishes for a bit...bad...vanishes for a bit...Similarly Rick's group suffer, you become less emotionally caring because they aren't in it much anyway!

I do have a bit of sympathy for the writers. They are probably loosely bound by comic plot (no spoilers please) and it couldn't stay small group v zombies or we'd get bored of that. But its their job to get the balance and pacing right, and they ain't.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, November 3, 2017, 11:20:12
I'm surprised it still has the following it does. I think that might largely be down to the fact that it's quite novel for a TV series. Or maybe through the popularity of the comics? I dunno. What I do know is that it's been dire for some time. I think the first series was OK but that was about it, it was some of the most boring TV I have watched for a long time.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, November 3, 2017, 11:38:22
I'm surprised it still has the following it does. I think that might largely be down to the fact that it's quite novel for a TV series. Or maybe through the popularity of the comics? I dunno. What I do know is that it's been dire for some time. I think the first series was OK but that was about it, it was some of the most boring TV I have watched for a long time.

I have found this time and time again with shows that start well and go stale, no matter how annoyed you are with the show you can't stop watching it because your come this far and you refuse to give up hope.

The same happened with Lost, Heroes, Prison Break, to name a few...Its like a journey, and you've come this far its hard to turn back.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, November 3, 2017, 11:51:33
Oh, I found it easy to stop. When they were at the prison, I asked myself why on earth I would want to watch such mind-numbing crap when there's other things to do. Boring characters acting out boring, predictable plots. I actually found it to be a chore, it was an unpleasant way to spend my time. I still get a gist of what's happening as the wife watches it, and other people talk about it, other than that I've not watched an episode since. From what I can gather it's only got worse since.

I'm not really a big fan of TV anyway, though. I'm normally quite happy to abandon a series when it turns. I think the only one I've watched to completion in recent years is breaking bad. I still found the walking dead to be one of the worst, though. I can't think of anything that comes close.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, November 10, 2017, 14:04:25
Has everyone given up? Watched 8x3 last night, it was late and i was working so was relying on a write up from bamboo.
Poor show bamboo.

Was much like last week, still not even a tease of Negan and the Father. Lots of gun fights to fill up the hour.
What i did like is that notable change is some characters personas. You had the confrontation with Jesus and Morgan where Morgan is becoming ruthless and want's to kill everyone but Jesus remains sympathetic and doesn't believe in doing so.
You also saw a similar clash with Rick and Daryl on 2 occasions, first when Daryl saved rick from the guy who no one remembered from the prison and at the end of the episode when Daryl popped the kid who was hiding behind the tree. Rick didn't look to impressed at all.

I'm with Daryl and Morgan. Take no chances. The saviours are masters of deceit. Showing them sympathy will end badly.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, November 10, 2017, 14:12:01
Has everyone given up? Watched 8x3 last night, it was late and i was working so was relying on a write up from bamboo.
Poor show bamboo.

Was much like last week, still not even a tease of Negan and the Father. Lots of gun fights to fill up the hour.
What i did like is that notable change is some characters personas. You had the confrontation with Jesus and Morgan where Morgan is becoming ruthless and want's to kill everyone but Jesus remains sympathetic and doesn't believe in doing so.
You also saw a similar clash with Rick and Daryl on 2 occasions, first when Daryl saved rick from the guy who no one remembered from the prison and at the end of the episode when Daryl popped the kid who was hiding behind the tree. Rick didn't look to impressed at all.

I'm with Daryl and Morgan. Take no chances. The saviours are masters of deceit. Showing them sympathy will end badly.

Ahh apologies. I've had Birthdays galore in the family, whilst helping my brother in law with his recently late Dad's boat. We have another Birthday do and my old man's 60th doo tomorrow.

I will try and get a bit of a write up done later this afternoon (if anyone is fine with my ramblings?) Time for some lunch now though and photos to edit. It's seem I do have a life outside TWD after all...


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, November 10, 2017, 14:18:15
Ahh apologies. I've had Birthdays galore in the family, whilst helping my brother in law with his recently late Dad's boat. We have another Birthday do and my old man's 60th doo tomorrow.

I will try and get a bit of a write up done later this afternoon (if anyone is fine with my ramblings?) Time for some lunch now though and photos to edit. It's seem I do have a life outside TWD after all...
I'm just messing mate.

I welcome your ramblings. At the end of the day if people don't like it they don't have to read it.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, November 10, 2017, 14:23:10
Has everyone given up?

I have now. Iíll consider watching it when this series ends, Iíve just had enough of what feels like filler.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 10, 2017, 14:55:22
As filler goes, it was alright. I quite enjoyed it. But I quite enjoy moaning more so
   1. Why the fuck has Rick has a personality transplant. They spent ages building him to be someone who did what it takes to survive*, then he gives Daryl the evils for doing the same.
   2. Jesus saves...Really. Also psycho Morgan has become shit at fighting all of a sudden. What?
   3. Why leave the Negan storyline so long.. And where the hell is Stigella of the dump in this fight?

The group is fractured, Rick and Daryl (for how much longer?), Maggie at the hilltop, Carole with the cgi tiger.

* I guess Rick will replace Negan at some point and the Saviours aren't going to be overly willing to follow another ruthless murderer .


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Saturday, November 11, 2017, 05:25:17
Sorry it's a late one!

S8 E3: Monsters

So you guys found this one a bit "fillerish" and a tad slow/lacking progress at times? Although it was a touch better than E2 right?

First off the title Monsters didn't really conclude much and i'm still waiting to have a sniff of the Negan storyline along with our favourite priest who is, buy all accounts, shitting his pants. I'll admit, I was expecting more of a twist on the Morales plot. As always, when the episodes are directed by Greg Nicotero, you can expect one thing for sure and that's great prosthetics and attention to detail in blood splatter expertise. Having plied most of his trade under the recently late, cult zombie Director; George A. Romero, I always look forward to these details during Nicotero's Directed episodes of TWD. RIP to Romero, who passed away in July.

This episode only really let me down in the new constant of Jesus suddenly becoming all out peacemaker. The fight scene though with Morgan and Jesus I enjoyed and it showed us just how Morgan is struggling psychologically in this world. I still refer to the "Morgan" episode of Clear, a few seasons back, where he had issues dealing with the post apocalyptic world. It was a little later where he met the former Dojo (S6:E3 maybe it was 4? anyway I can't remember his name i'd have to Google it) and learnt his self defence skills with the staff. I'll highlight Batch's comment (sorry, i'm not singling you out, you raised it and it's perfectly relevant) about "why is Morgan suddenly a shit fighter?". Truth is, he hasn't become shit, however he's never had to fight Jesus. When we first met him(also S6), we learnt he was also very skilled in martial arts and hand to hand combat. I think here it's just a case of Jesus being the better "Ninja" and most probably more experienced. As far as we know, Morgan only knows in depth self defence recently from Dojo guy in S6. I really like the growing tension between Daryl and Rick, where will that lead or am I just exploring a non story here?

If no one minds, I'll recap a few key parts of the episode. On the whole I think it was ok, if a little bit filler.

So we pretty much open as we ended the previous with Morales, holding Rick at gunpoint. Morales and Rick talk about how things have panned out for them both (all under tension) and it's revealed Morales lost his family. Rick informs him about the losses of Lori, Shane and the brutal murder of Glenn at the hands of Morales new "owner", Negan. Ok so at this point he calls Rick a monster and that is the only reference I can find that refers to the title episode. As stated above I was expecting a twist for this episode. Damn! As predicted, Daryl kills Morales with almost shock from Rick, who seemed to think he could talk Morales round. They leave the building and hear calls from Aaron as his team of fighters close in on this Saviour outpost. Later we conclude that Aaron's boyfriend Eric may not have made it. Thus prompting Aaron to take care of Gracie. The baby Rick find's after suspectedly killing her Father.

We then have the scenes of Aaron going back to where he left Eric (with a gunshot to the stomach) against a tree. This for me harks back to S1 ((I think it was Jim or Dale?) basically he was left against a tree after being bit in the stomach to reanimate).  Eric is no longer there and Aaron believes he sees him walking off in the distance but i'm not 100% convinced he's gone? Maybe I misheard but i'm sure I heard a character say something to Aaron like "He's not there/dead". Also we didn't actually see the "turned" Eric and we all know most characters that leave TWD are bestowed this grand exit. The only true character that didn't have it was "The Governor" but he went out in style after his brutal beheading of Hershel. Anyway, I don't think Eric is dead yet or they want to show us the zombie Eric next episode? We then learn that the guns that Rick and Daryl were after have been moved, this is after a Saviour is discovered behind a tree. Daryl kills him without thought and yet again Rick looks at him like "what the fuck bro".

I'm not even going to talk about Gregory because that dude just pisses me off now. Why the fuck would Maggie let him back in? Just rid of him, he's becoming TWD jester. It's shit. I want him gone before midseason, if not the next episode.

Somewhere wedged in all this we have King "still I fucking smile" Ez and Carol almost cockily cruising their way through the woods. It's just a continuation from last episode until they close in on the next Saviour outpost. As predicted the Kingdomers get shot at and some of them try and create a human shield for King Ez. Maybe they'll not be as ridiculously cocky next time?

There's the detailed recap and also keeps anyone on track if they missed an episode (intentionally or not). I'm going to throw a curveball in now, just to maybe get us talking a little more about the further future of the show, so here goes. What are your guys theories on how the show may end, eventually? I have a theory and i've posted this theory on other social media and forums. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this. I don't know if it's occurred to any of you but for me, part of last season and the start of this season appear to be produced in a more arcade/computer game style? Now this could be a huge miss on my part but i'll be smug af and picking up several c*nt points (in TEF fashion I hope some of you already have given me a vote of "c*nt" :) ) if I get close to this huge story arc, which could lead us to the start of the endgame for TWD. My theory is that instead of a shitty "Rick wakes up, it was all a dream" end. I think that the whole concept of TWD is merely an 8/16 bit arcade game. All the places they've visited have been different levels. The "Bosses" Rick has had to defeat. The far fetchedness of some scenarios, where they've been saved just as an aggressor is about to deliver a final blow. Not without drama, losing many comrades along the way....and so on.

I can envisage a final, final scene and for me it would be Rick getting shot or beaten in the FPV, background noise of "Finish him" or similar (for those familiar with arcade Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat) and the screen blurring with "Game Over" appearing on the screen. As the camera pans out it becomes apparent it's an arcade game and the camera shows the "gamer" as a young Carl walking away and leaving the arcade, set around late 80's/early 90's scene. For me this would explain all the FPV moments in the show when we have blood on the screen and the ridiculousness of Shiva as well as a few other whacky groups. I feel they are slowly producing the characters in the show as more comic book/fictional characters (which of course they are) and opening us up to this concept that they may well just be that. Fictional and not one bit real. Previously with had more attachment with characters with more drama and tenseness. I don't feel that as much anymore so I do wonder if they are leaning to this concept or similar. More than likely i'm just talking complete bollocks!

If you'd like to give me your own theories, as this could throw up some impressive ideas probably much more impressive (and concise) than mine, then please do. I look forward to hearing them. As ever I look forward to your responses to my post and your own take on the recent episode as a whole. I'll try to do my review for the next episode (incidentally called "Some Guy") a little earlier next time. For your sins that could be up as early as next Tues. Enjoy.

Once again, cheers for reading/listening/viewing. I continually enjoy TWD but I'm still hungry to get my show back like it was before. Let's hope a big plot twist arises sometime after we've known Gabriels fate and a few other loose ends are tied up like The Scavengers and Gregory. Knowing the comics marginally. That twist could be at the mid season finale or mid season premiere. I could also be wide of the mark here too.

I await the impending criticism :) Cheers, Kev Bamboo!


Title: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 11, 2017, 09:56:11
thanks bamboo, I don't recall Jesus martial arts background so that's useful.

good read. yes fillerish but better gets my vote.

interesting theory, hopefully bollocks though as it would piss me off.

the three most likely end game scenarios in can see are
   1. they find some isolated island and steady to rebuild human life.
   2. they find a way to kill the zombies en mass leading to 1 eventually
   3. they all die.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, November 11, 2017, 16:24:45
The arcade game scenario...

No, just no..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Saturday, November 11, 2017, 16:35:20
The arcade game scenario...

No, just no..

Seriously, I don't want it to end like that either but i'm just looking at how things have been shot over the last season and into 8. At times it reminds me of Metal Gear Solid (Daryl would make a great Solid Snake tbf) and also Timesplitters. Things seem to point that way for me. One thing that Robert Kirkman has promised us that it will never end with the "wakes up from a coma" scenario, because that will be the ultimate of shit. They must be thinking of how it may all wind up for the tv show. I'm not sure how long the comic issue will carry on for but that's essentially when we'd have a better idea. However the tv show has not shied away from going a different path but surely the endgame must culminate in a similar way?

What's your theory on the endgame Berni?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, November 11, 2017, 20:48:53
Not really a theory but I hope itís ends with everyone dying. I want it to be ruthless and brutal.
None of this happily ever after bullshit.
Failing that, as long as coral gets done for Iíll be happy.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Monday, November 13, 2017, 10:39:58
I haven't really got a theory tbh.  I am not adverse to a huge twist, or a big bang one way or the other, i just hope they end it properly and answer as many questions as they can.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, November 13, 2017, 14:10:45
The writers clearly don't even know how it's going to end yet, or they wouldn't have written themselves into the stupid hole of everyone turns and there's no cure.

It's going to go on until it's cancelled and either end terribly (a la Lost) or just get cancelled and not end at all (Fuck you Flash Forward! FUCK YOU).


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, November 13, 2017, 14:41:28
The writers clearly don't even know how it's going to end yet, or they wouldn't have written themselves into the stupid hole of everyone turns and there's no cure.

It's going to go on until it's cancelled and either end terribly (a la Lost) or just get cancelled and not end at all (Fuck you Flash Forward! FUCK YOU).
Oh man, I remember flash forward..


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, November 13, 2017, 17:36:34
The writers clearly don't even know how it's going to end yet, or they wouldn't have written themselves into the stupid hole of everyone turns and there's no cure.

It's going to go on until it's cancelled and either end terribly (a la Lost) or just get cancelled and not end at all (Fuck you Flash Forward! FUCK YOU).

Not a bad theory jayo, however there are shows on tv that hit only around 1mil viewers yet they keep getting commissioned. I think TWD has a way to go before that. In fact it has such a following I think once the hype/bubble dies right down, it'll still have a core of around 4-5mil viewers. I'd say major decisions will be made from s10. We'll have an idea of what direction it's truly taking at that point. Either towards an endgame or as you say, no real idea of how they'll end it.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, November 13, 2017, 17:38:21
And if your video game theory turns true I will personally hunt you down


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, November 13, 2017, 17:49:03
Well, looks like this season is going to be one that gets increasingly better. S8 E4 was back on form. I'll not burden you with a review yet (i'm a cunt but not that much of one), I'll wait till later tonight/tomorrow so those that watch have had a chance to watch it. Where E1 was okay and E2 was bloody annoying. E3 got a bit better and now E4 was much better. Let's hope this trend continues and we get the show a bit more on track.

Talking of "flash forwards" you guys do know what is planned for S9 don't you?

Enjoy tonight's episode. I think most of you will enjoy this one.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, November 13, 2017, 17:50:30
And if your video game theory turns true I will personally hunt you down

Hahahha bring it on! "...and still I smile."


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 13, 2017, 21:17:25
www.walkindeadharalson.com

This is just up the road from me, claiming to be family friendly!  Looks fun, you lot are nuts.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, November 13, 2017, 21:52:09
www.walkindeadharalson.com

This is just up the road from me, claiming to be family friendly!  Looks fun, you lot are nuts.

This is one of the reason's that if I was asked to move to america for a job then this would have to make up part of my remuneration (3 visits per year min.)  Yes RobertT, i'm nuts!


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 00:08:36
Well, looks like this season is going to be one that gets increasingly better. S8 E4 was back on form. I'll not burden you with a review yet (i'm a cunt but not that much of one), I'll wait till later tonight/tomorrow so those that watch have had a chance to watch it. Where E1 was okay and E2 was bloody annoying. E3 got a bit better and now E4 was much better. Let's hope this trend continues and we get the show a bit more on track.

Talking of "flash forwards" you guys do know what is planned for S9 don't you?

Enjoy tonight's episode. I think most of you will enjoy this one.
Itís a spoiler thread, people who read it before watching know the consequences.
I enjoyed 8x4. Who was the dude who looked like heíd just come off the set of The Waltonís :-).
Poor sheeva/sheeba too.
Looks like itís finally going to get to the nitty gritty next week.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 00:59:18
Itís a spoiler thread, people who read it before watching know the consequences.
I enjoyed 8x4. Who was the dude who looked like heíd just come off the set of The Waltonís :-).
Poor sheeva/sheeba too.
Looks like itís finally going to get to the nitty gritty next week.


Haha ruthless. I'd at least let them watch the advertised uk version first :)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 08:15:31
was pretty good, didn't care much for the flashbacks but hey.

so the pieces are falling into place. particularly the guns, and maybe if the truck driver is still alive Intel too. maybe there is a rat and they'll be outed - more likely he'll know there is a rat but not who it is.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 18:32:20
A little more on the ball this week having watched the US version sometime Monday morning and then had a second look when the UK version aired at 9pm. I'll probably watch this one again as I want to look at some details which may give us some clues for potential long term answers. I'll talk about that later, if you can stomach it.

S8E4: Some Guy

Well, in a nutshell i'd say that was some way of a return to the kind of TWD form we've been used to in previous seasons. It wasn't the all out best ever episode granted, however it was a good episode and much better than E2 (I think we can all put that down as my most infuriating episode in the whole seasons of TWD to date). This kind of episode is the type which makes a good season, well...good or even great. 

The main focus for this episode was on King Ezekiel, who up until now I really could not warm to. In part this has been due to lack of character development. We know he's putting on an act and we know a loose background of him working in theatre. Now I know not everyone cares for character development but if we are truly going to give a damn about the character or believe that they are real we have to see the real them (a bit like when the Governor was broken after his first attempt to attack the Prison. We then saw him at rock bottom, almost like the man he may have been before the apocalypse, only to see him rise again.). In this episode we finally got that, with pretty much two thirds of the episode dedicated to King Ez.

This was better than filler in my opinion and the only slight tickle was, "Rick & Daryl" becoming "Jason Bourne & Hitman" respectively. As well as Carol somehow managing to trick some of The Saviours that she was only carrying a handgun, when she'd previously followed and shot at them with a machine gun. Ok i'm being picky. The "Starsky & Hutch" moment was a bit of fun and Carol's ploy was fairly clever. I mean come on, most bad guys henchmen are pretty dim, just look at the James Bond villains henchmen!

I'll now expand on the episode in more detail, so skip this bit if you can't be arsed.

We open with King Ezekiel pretty much getting into character and straightaway we begin to realise him as "just some guy", who has undoubtedly taken on the difficult role of trying to instill hope into the people of which we call The Kingdom. It mirrors his theatrical past quite literally with the open dressing room scene and getting "ready" in front of a mirror. He gives the rousing, usual speech and at this point I almost tut and think "here we go again". This isn't because I'd forgotten that his force were gunned down at the end of E3, but I mistakenly think "how the fuck did they all manage to survive a chain gun attack?".

Oh no, it then cuts, as I should've guessed to present day and the aftermath of the Kingdom fighter massacre. A scene that pans over bullet wounds, Kingdommer guts, and limbs strewn across the Saviour outpost. A searching bloodied hand emerges from a pile of bodies and a distraught King Ez slowly pulls himself free. The realisation that (at this point) all his soldiers are dead and he has an injured leg as he terrifyingly scrambles away while his own soldiers start to turn. The King then has a moment of help, albeit brief, from a surviving soldier (I can't even recall his name, that's bad for me) whom we've never really met before. This is short lived  as a Saviour (revealed as Gunther on TTD), shoots Kingdom Soldier #73 in the back. A perfect cameo here from actor Whitmer Thomas, who may well have been an estranged psycho before the apocalypse. I'm not the first to say this by any stretch but a perfect Jeffrey Dahmer-a-like. Gunther taunts King Ez and basically tells him he's worthless while dragging him at gunpoint, towards the intended Saviour outpost (where Carol is staking out). They reach the outpost gateway and it's locked. Gunther, panicking decides he'll jump the gate and take King Ez's head on a stake for Negan (nice bloke). He's just about to kill the King in true medieval style, with King Ez's very own sword. Enter stage right an onrushing, enraged Jerry (no one's stopping an onrushing Jerry) who protects his King with a brutal knife through butter slicing of Gunther, in half with his axe. Nice work Jerry. Jerry and Ezekiel then continue to hold back a horde of Walkers while also trying to chop the chain from the gate.

During this we switch to Carol who (seeing red mist) has made it into the Saviour outpost, where the guys with the chain gun and other arms were shooting from. She cleverly hides in the ceiling as they're packing the guns away and shoots down five of them with a machine gun (AK-Whatever) as they start to leave. Carol must think she's got them all as she emerges from the ceiling but her gunshots must've alerted a few more that were there as then she has to take out another five. They give chase but one says let her go.

Later she's double backed them and they're loading the arms onto a Jeep as she scopes them out. Carol chances it running behind another vehicle. They unleash hell on her and this is the point where she slides her handgun under the vehicle and attempts to break a peace deal with them. Carol has spotted the button for opening a compound gate, which has a horde of Walkers behind. She "surrenders" and one of The Saviours approaches her. She quickly gets him at knifepoint as just as he's distracted by her machine gun hanging on the  wing mirror. Events unfold pretty rapidly, she disposes of her hostage, grabs his keys, presses the gate button, and fires back at two other Saviours as they get mauled by Walkers. The other two Saviours shoot down the Walkers but flee behind their Jeep. It's then (while still negotiating) that Carol spots King Ez & Jerry fending off some Walkers at the gate. She goes to aid them and unlocks the gate with said keys. The remaining Saviours take this as their chance to get away and take their arms back to the Sanctuary. King Ez tells Carol "they're getting away with the guns". We hear the sound of Daryls motorbike in the distance and Carol smiles saying "no they're not" or similar. We then cut to...

Daryl & Rick giving chase as the remaining Saviours flee. Rick in a Jeep and Daryl on his trademark bike. Rick is under fire from the mounted chain gun on the back of the Saviour Jeep but Daryl got a hit at him, so the  Saviour struggles to maintain a good shot (yes this part is pretty unrealistic as you'd think a mounted chain gun would take out at least the tyres on Ric's Jeep if not Rick himself). Daryl loses i and slides of the road, while Rick continues to give chase. Daryl amazingly appears pretty much injury free and manages to take out the Saviour gunner. Rick gets level with the Saviour Jeep and manages to jump aboard, knife the Saviour in the side, overthrow him, and kick him out the Jeep. Ultimately this sends Rick through a barrier and crashing down a grass verge. Daryl catches up and goes to check out the state of Rick. Rick must've bailed as the Jeep went down the verge because he emerges from the downslope of the verge and both he and Daryl then agree to check out the Jeep to collect the guns.

Carol, King Ez & Jerry have left the Saviour compound and making their way back to the Kingdom through some woods. Reflecting and thinking about Shiva, Ezekiel realises his true worth and tell Carol and Jerry to go on without him as he is holding them up. They fight of some more Walkers and end up having to cross a waste discharge outlet that has pooled there with what we can only tell from a drum is a "Dangerous Substance". We get a great scene of what I call "Well Walkers" (think S3 where Glenn is sent down a well on a rope to check some water and finds a really disgusting looking Walker), who almost are too much for our survivors. Ezekiel again says he'll sacrifice so Carol and Jerry can survive. It's here he's truly broken as Jerry says "I can't leave you, my King." and Ez responds "I am not your King, i'm just some guy!" It's a true reveal of friendship and reality of who this real "King" really is. In that moment, Shiva saves the three of them and overthrows a few Walkers but alas, they are too much for the potentially malnourished Bengal Tiger (i'm aware she's had meals of Saviours and Scavengers of late but I can't imagine her diet too sustainable in this apocalypse so it's valid she would be more lethargic). Shiva comes to her impending fate as Ezekiel helplessly watches on.

The final scene ends similarly as it began but with a contrasting and truly broken Ezekiel. They enter the gates of The Kingdom, defeated and deflated, with no Shiva in tow and it's clear to the Kingdom family that this is such. Even "Master Henry" who Ezekiel gave so much hope to in his rousing speech, is ignored as Ezekiel limps through the crowd back to his quarters.

Ok, so that's most of the bones of the episode. I enjoyed this more than the previous three and there were some really interesting moments. For once it told a story and gave an insight into one of the main characters. It's managed to turn my opinion around of Ezekiel, especially how his character builds from this moment on. Maybe I was too quick to judge the character before and should've understood the the facade that he was playing to his Kingdom. Looking at it now, as annoying as his persona was I now see it better. It's taken me, for him to become a broken man though to actually see that. I think we may see a similar character development with Negan next episode S8:E5 The Big Scary U.

There were a few pointers in this episode or as they like to call "foreshadowing" which got me thinking a little more. First off have any of you noticed how more of the Walkers seem to have a fair amount of their skin pulled off (like the one Ezekiel and crew encountered in the woods a couple episodes back). This could just be their state of decay as not all of them are going to be exactly ermm....fresh, but if you have any interest in the graphic novels/comics then this could be pointing towards the arrival of another group in the near future and they're pretty fucking gruesome. I'll leave that one with you. Another foreshadow is with Rick. In the comics Rick has wait for it lost his right hand. We've been constantly teased this in the TV show through a fair few seasons. In fact right at the beginning when Merle (S1:E3) cut himself free from the rooftop by sawing through his own hand (although i'm not sure how far on the comic was at that point). I thought he was going to lose it sometime during S4 when he and Carl had fled the Prison and were on the road. We've had Negan forcing Rick to cut off Carl's hand, and now more recently crashing the Jeep down the hill could've been a way to do it then. It may not happen in the TV show but I think if it did it could be another big moment for the character which could send him over the edge.

My final future pointer here is to way further down the line (it's not even part of the comics, so it's just a theory really) but it could be an indicator as to how all this apocalypse started. As Dr Jenner (S1:E6) told Rick at the CDC that everyone is infected, something Rick tells his fellow survivors this secret later on (at the end of S2 I think). The indicator for me is in this latest episode. In the waste discharge pool/ditch there is the large drum which has the label "DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE" on it. Is this an indicator to some kind of high level contamination to the water, via these drums possibly illegally released/dumped by the Government? If so i'd like, once all the warring is over, maybe this discovery/possibility come to light and then our survivors to go on a hunt to find out the source of this. Possibly discovering a facility where government officials are holed up and taking it to them with a new combined set of allies in the Saviours.

Will that happen? I don't know, it'd be a good arc and a new direction for the show. They can't keep focussing on waging war, peacetime and then a new war again, surely otherwise it'll fall on it's face. It is a victim of it's successful past though. A storyline like this could breathe even better life in to it. Whichever way you look at it though that story arc would be the beginning of the end. Maybe it will start focussing on something like that though in another seasons time. Survival is the first priority obviously but there would still be the underpinning curiosity of three main issues; How did it start? How do we contain it? Can we produce a cure? So a focus must go to that branch at some point.

Anyway, I've said my piece now, I think it was certainly a better episode for S8 so far and I hope we get a similar kind of character development with Negan in E5. Hope you guys enjoyed it. Give me your added theories and thoughts about the episode and opinion on my theory surrounding the oil drum. As always I await all your unnerving criticism and maybe even a slight hint of praise. Thanks for reading/viewing/listening See you same time next week.

Cheers,

Bamboo :)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 21:29:01
Nice one Bamboo, enjoy reading your thoughts on the episode and ideas for where its going.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, November 15, 2017, 16:01:45
Nice one Bamboo, enjoy reading your thoughts on the episode and ideas for where its going.

Cheers man.  Should've proof read that piece properly though, as there are a ton of typos (extra "the", "and" instead of "an", etc. oh well).  I definitely think there is scope to create some interesting developments further down the line. I'm not even a published writer, so if I can come up with future plots (good or bad) then their creative writing team must be able to. Especially when the TV Show catches up with the source material because then we'll see how creative the writers down at AMC really are. I'm confident Scott Gimple can deliver on this. He has written some key episodes that really made us feel the character.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead *SPOILERS*
Post by: Berniman on Friday, November 17, 2017, 16:50:13
Good to read your ramblings every week Bamboo.

Just one point on Rick's arm.  After watching Talking Dead this week, Robert Kirkman indicated that he regretted Rick losing his arm in the comic books.  He admitted that he liked the TV story better than the comic in this aspect.

Also bear in mind that to have a limb missing for Rick would take up some considerable budget for the special effects bearing in mind he is in a lot of episodes.  I don't think they will lose his arm until possibly right at the end of the series, towards the crescendo let's say..