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« Reply #360 on: Monday, May 22, 2023, 20:28:26 »

What's the end game here?

Russia withdraws back to 2022 borders but gets to keep Crimea as a de-militarised zone.
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« Reply #361 on: Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 07:55:01 »

Russia withdraws back to 2022 borders but gets to keep Crimea as a de-militarised zone.

The US has already stated that it sees Crimea as Ukrainian - Russia needs to completely withdraw and be exiled.  The sad thing is, there is no-one in the wings to replace Putin that would be any better unless Navalny changes his position on Ukraine as well but does appear to be Sponsored by the US
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« Reply #362 on: Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 08:18:01 »

The US has already stated that it sees Crimea as Ukrainian - Russia needs to completely withdraw and be exiled.  The sad thing is, there is no-one in the wings to replace Putin that would be any better unless Navalny changes his position on Ukraine as well but does appear to be Sponsored by the US

People state lots of things when wars are still 'hot'. We are not going to see a total surrender from Russia or Ukraine marching on Moscow and inflicting an absolute defeat on the Russian state. Therefore a negotiated peace is by far the most likely outcome. Russia will go in with Crimea as a red line and I suspect there will be a fudge there, such as de-militarising it.
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« Reply #363 on: Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 08:30:47 »

Is there a danger of "fatigue" amongst Ukraine's allies. I hope not but I can see an undercurrent of "why are we spending this much on it when xxx is broken at home".

I don't think support will be withdrawn unless a tool like Trump gets in again.
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« Reply #364 on: Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 21:10:33 »

Is there a danger of "fatigue" amongst Ukraine's allies. I hope not but I can see an undercurrent of "why are we spending this much on it when xxx is broken at home".

I don't think support will be withdrawn unless a tool like Trump gets in again.

I hope thatíll itíll be even more difficult to justify removing support than it will continuing it, in light of what has already been spent and donated. I canít see Europe wavering. Less certain though about the US Trump manages to return
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