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« Reply #330 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 08:45:10 »

If there’s one thing this wretched war achieved it’s debunking the myth of how great the Russian military is.

Fucking clowns.
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« Reply #331 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 08:59:53 »

If there’s one thing this wretched war achieved it’s debunking the myth of how great the Russian military is.

Fucking clowns.

Every military has been run into the ground since the end of the Cold War. Relative peace (the odd counter insurgency aside) allows for a veneer of competency and capability to be maintained. The reality is we are just as hollowed out as they are. We'd have approximately a fortnight's worth of men, vehicles and ammunition in a proper shooting war in Europe.
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« Reply #332 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 09:05:42 »

Every military has been run into the ground since the end of the Cold War. Relative peace (the odd counter insurgency aside) allows for a veneer of competency and capability to be maintained. The reality is we are just as hollowed out as they are. We'd have approximately a fortnight's worth of men, vehicles and ammunition in a proper shooting war in Europe.

Even our nuclear deterrent is essentially leased from the Americans.
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« Reply #333 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 09:26:10 »

Even our nuclear deterrent is essentially leased from the Americans.

Not so much of an issue and it has been that way for a long time. It is still a 'Premier League' capability that we have maintained effectively. As for the rest of the military it has best been described as 'fur coat with no knickers.' We have a very few high end shiny things (like Trident/F35/Carriers) but absolutely nothing behind them.
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« Reply #334 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 10:17:28 »

Every military has been run into the ground since the end of the Cold War.

China hasn't allowed that to happen I suspect.
Was reading the other week that Western military "intelligence" indicates an invasion of Taiwan to be very likely before 2027.
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« Reply #335 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 10:19:11 »

China hasn't allowed that to happen I suspect.
Was reading the other week that Western military "intelligence" indicates an invasion of Taiwan to be very likely before 2027.

Correct. They are the one outlier. Currently commissioning and building the same number of ships as the Royal Navy has in total every year...
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« Reply #336 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 10:48:32 »

Wouldn’t say every military has been run into the ground. There’s a reason Americans don’t get free healthcare
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« Reply #337 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 10:50:22 »

Wouldn’t say every military has been run into the ground. There’s a reason Americans don’t get free healthcare

Similar to us and arguably the Russians. Some very expensive niche high end capabilities. Lots of boring things that enable you to go long term in conflict hollowed out.
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« Reply #338 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 14:51:18 »

Russia's problem is internal corruption of the highest order...

As a dictator, Putin promotes people based on arse licking rather than competence- as a result most of their high ranking generals are completely detached from the nuances of strategic warfare.

Their approach to military technology is all smoke and mirrors - they tell the world they are going to have the greatest tanks and build a protoype that looks like the dogs bollocks but is actually a timber framed body over an existing tank then, the General in charge, pockets all of the cash intended for production creates false figures on stock that doesn't exist and then surprise, surprise  when the tank (Armata) is actually needed, its nowhere to be seen in Ukraine (or even Russia).

The majority of Russian conscripts and reserves don't want to be in Ukraine but can't escape for fear of being shot by their own side.

They are now dragging out t55 tanks from the second world war becasue losses have been so high and much of the munitions they are using is way passed its expiry date so much of it doesn't detonate.

They really are a shower of shit that have seriously underestimated the determination of Ukrainians and support from NATO (many NATO nations are  playing the level of support down but secretly stockpiling  - The US have publicly acknowledged small numbers of Abraham and air defence systems but in reality support with a much, much more.


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« Reply #339 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 17:30:41 »

Russia's problem is internal corruption of the highest order...

As a dictator, Putin promotes people based on arse licking rather than competence- as a result most of their high ranking generals are completely detached from the nuances of strategic warfare.

Their approach to military technology is all smoke and mirrors - they tell the world they are going to have the greatest tanks and build a protoype that looks like the dogs bollocks but is actually a timber framed body over an existing tank then, the General in charge, pockets all of the cash intended for production creates false figures on stock that doesn't exist and then surprise, surprise  when the tank (Armata) is actually needed, its nowhere to be seen in Ukraine (or even Russia).

The majority of Russian conscripts and reserves don't want to be in Ukraine but can't escape for fear of being shot by their own side.

They are now dragging out t55 tanks from the second world war becasue losses have been so high and much of the munitions they are using is way passed its expiry date so much of it doesn't detonate.

They really are a shower of shit that have seriously underestimated the determination of Ukrainians and support from NATO (many NATO nations are  playing the level of support down but secretly stockpiling  - The US have publicly acknowledged small numbers of Abraham and air defence systems but in reality support with a much, much more.




Not forgetting of course the SAS and other elite western troopers are there behind the scenes lending strategic support and garnering invaluable intelligence in the process. This is now going to be a war of attrition. The Russians will be worn down in terms of financial support for their military supply chain and actual armaments over time rather than the Ukrainians engaging in a massive counter attack.
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« Reply #340 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 17:32:55 »

Russia's problem is internal corruption of the highest order...

As a dictator, Putin promotes people based on arse licking rather than competence- as a result most of their high ranking generals are completely detached from the nuances of strategic warfare.

Their approach to military technology is all smoke and mirrors - they tell the world they are going to have the greatest tanks and build a protoype that looks like the dogs bollocks but is actually a timber framed body over an existing tank then, the General in charge, pockets all of the cash intended for production creates false figures on stock that doesn't exist and then surprise, surprise  when the tank (Armata) is actually needed, its nowhere to be seen in Ukraine (or even Russia).

The majority of Russian conscripts and reserves don't want to be in Ukraine but can't escape for fear of being shot by their own side.

They are now dragging out t55 tanks from the second world war becasue losses have been so high and much of the munitions they are using is way passed its expiry date so much of it doesn't detonate.

They really are a shower of shit that have seriously underestimated the determination of Ukrainians and support from NATO (many NATO nations are  playing the level of support down but secretly stockpiling  - The US have publicly acknowledged small numbers of Abraham and air defence systems but in reality support with a much, much more.


Do you think NATO have been supplying tanks etc in excess of what they officially announce? I would hope so.
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« Reply #341 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 19:27:44 »

Do you think NATO have been supplying tanks etc in excess of what they officially announce? I would hope so.

There are plenty of ways that kit is making its way to Ukraine off the books: https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-crowdfunding-buys-101-cvrt-armored-vehicles/
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« Reply #342 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 21:44:19 »

Do you think NATO have been supplying tanks etc in excess of what they officially announce? I would hope so.

99% of warfare is about disinformation…
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« Reply #343 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 22:28:03 »

99% of warfare is about disinformation…

Clearly. There's whoever told you T55's were WWII era MBTs. It's a tank introduced in the late 50s and iterations were in service until the 80's.  Not even the T54 which it evolved from was in production during WWII.
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« Reply #344 on: Friday, April 21, 2023, 22:31:10 »

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