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« Reply #1740 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:04:22 »

Things have gone a bit fuzzy for me.

What’s the deal with the Power/Standing case? S says P owes him circa £6m which is what he purported to have put into the club (under the radar). With the club now being legally sold to Clem is Standing trying to get his money back personally from P?

The club was bought for £212,500 off P - te he - how else will S get his money back?

Thing is there was an injunction to stop Power selling to Able without Standings say so,now either that was waived for the sale to Clem, which suggests some sort of agreement between Clem and Standing or alternatively did it not apply as Clem was an existing shareholder in the company and thus a sale of shares to him was essentially an internal reallocation of shares beyond the extent of the injunction?

One could note that all those griping at the Trust from the sidelines are quite able (no pun intended) to put themselves forward to get involved (and give up the time required) and then they can influence what is happening.
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« Reply #1741 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:30:36 »

The Trust is US (members) not 'them'. The *elected* officials work hard on our behalf and don't get paid!

After Power there is going to be residual worry and questions. Especially when characters of dubious past are close.

Questioning is just that. Nothing more.

if the Trust hierarchy knew of XA involvement, have done due diligence, checked out kerachi, etc and are happy with what they found then that's all they can do
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« Reply #1742 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:54:08 »

When are the FA going to make a decision on our ‘ownership’ problem under Power?
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« Reply #1743 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:12:44 »

When are the FA going to make a decision on our ‘ownership’ problem under Power?

One would assume before the start of next season at the very latest, I cannot remember how long it took them last time to see us promoted via the play offs and then fuck us over?
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« Reply #1744 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:30:37 »

Hadn't it been established that wasn't allowed? Or is he no longer an agent?
Standing resigned as an agent at the end of last season. FWIW.
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« Reply #1745 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:31:14 »

One would assume before the start of next season at the very latest, I cannot remember how long it took them last time to see us promoted via the play offs and then fuck us over?

10 days, i remember it well.
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« Reply #1746 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:33:44 »

10 days, i remember it well.
Absolutely, awful memories.
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« Reply #1747 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:40:07 »

Considering they would have had to become close acquaintances as part of the overall agenda to overthrow Power, and that Standing is no longer an agent, I feel it could be possible and potentially forgiven if Clem was taking general football advice from Standing from time to time, I.e players, infrastructure etc.
I can see why that would be a worry given the shady nature of the Power tenure, and its still some form of attachment to that era. Or if it is a scratching back scenario of I helped you get the club, now take X number of players from my previous agency - although I don't think I've noticed any first touch Pro clients with us on transfermarkt. Again, all very hypothetical, but some scenarios may not be as worrying as alluded to.
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« Reply #1748 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 10:24:04 »

My 10c worth - this is probably not the right time for this discussion, we have an important 2/3 weeks ahead (hopefully) but that doesn't take away that this is a valid and very important, and interesting discussion.

What I don't get is why, people have a problem with people asking the questions?  Surely all fans should welcome people questioning what it going on and asking for more transparency.  It's like a vicious circle sometimes reading these discussions. 

Everyone gets aggy with DOB asking for reasons behind his questions, some posters get aggy with the trust due to (understandable) historic mistrust, the trust (not publicly, but on here) gets aggy with posters for questioning the involvement of high level individuals within the club, which is what the trust is there for on the fans behalf.

All of the questions are valid and should be welcomed, whether individuals have information that has raised these questions shouldn't matter, let's face it, lots of people hear things or know things that they are not willing to divulge on a public forum, this includes posters and members of the trust. If the questions don't get asked then we are just going down the same path as previously. 

We are in a much better place than previously, everyone agrees with that, but that shouldn't mean that questions shouldn't be asked.  I just wish people would stop demanding answers to the reasons for the questions and that people would stop getting offended when the questions are asked - as fans, and based on what we have all been through, the more things that are questioned the better.
 
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« Reply #1749 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:01:15 »

My 10c worth - this is probably not the right time for this discussion, we have an important 2/3 weeks ahead (hopefully) but that doesn't take away that this is a valid and very important, and interesting discussion.

What I don't get is why, people have a problem with people asking the questions?  Surely all fans should welcome people questioning what it going on and asking for more transparency.  It's like a vicious circle sometimes reading these discussions. 

Everyone gets aggy with DOB asking for reasons behind his questions, some posters get aggy with the trust due to (understandable) historic mistrust, the trust (not publicly, but on here) gets aggy with posters for questioning the involvement of high level individuals within the club, which is what the trust is there for on the fans behalf.

All of the questions are valid and should be welcomed, whether individuals have information that has raised these questions shouldn't matter, let's face it, lots of people hear things or know things that they are not willing to divulge on a public forum, this includes posters and members of the trust. If the questions don't get asked then we are just going down the same path as previously. 

We are in a much better place than previously, everyone agrees with that, but that shouldn't mean that questions shouldn't be asked.  I just wish people would stop demanding answers to the reasons for the questions and that people would stop getting offended when the questions are asked - as fans, and based on what we have all been through, the more things that are questioned the better.
 
I don't think anyone has the issue with questions. It's when it's implying they know that there is murky going ons with cryptic crap or accuse the trust of not asking questions that people get a bit aggy.  Take DOB for example he clearly thinks he knows something but posts in riddles. Clem and Rob Angus have been on every social media platform going and answer the questions people ask. Someone posted the other day that they were concerned that Austin was appointed as chairman on the hush the other day when it was announced on the official website wasn't it? I think it's when people post cryptic and false things people probably get defensive
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« Reply #1750 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:09:39 »

I don't think anyone has the issue with questions. It's when it's implying they know that there is murky going ons with cryptic crap or accuse the trust of not asking questions that people get a bit aggy.  Take DOB for example he clearly thinks he knows something but posts in riddles. Clem and Rob Angus have been on every social media platform going and answer the questions people ask. Someone posted the other day that they were concerned that Austin was appointed as chairman on the hush the other day when it was announced on the official website wasn't it? I think it's when people post cryptic and false things people probably get defensive

Sorry? Austin announced as Chairman?
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« Reply #1751 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:11:31 »

I don't think anyone has the issue with questions. It's when it's implying they know that there is murky going ons with cryptic crap or accuse the trust of not asking questions that people get a bit aggy.  Take DOB for example he clearly thinks he knows something but posts in riddles. Clem and Rob Angus have been on every social media platform going and answer the questions people ask. Someone posted the other day that they were concerned that Austin was appointed as chairman on the hush the other day when it was announced on the official website wasn't it? I think it's when people post cryptic and false things people probably get defensive

I get that, but isn't the fact that (most) questions being asked are a good thing, irrelevant of the source of those questions?  People getting wound up about ITK implications (which we have seen on here for years) doesn't take anything away from the fact that I would like to know what the response is to that question, and on the flip side doesn't need people getting offended that the question has been asked in the first place.

Most of us are long in the tooth now, and if we still can't get away from getting wound up with the existence of ITKers then we are no better than the twitterati that love to go fishing on a daily basis.  For me, it just disrupts what is a needed, whorthwhile and interesting discussion/debate.
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« Reply #1752 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:11:45 »

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« Reply #1753 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:14:40 »

Without travelling back through hundreds of posts and debate, could someone summarise what the questions of concern and are outstanding actually are?
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« Reply #1754 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:21:51 »

We are on a web forum!

We are all a bunch if weirdos!

Of course people are going to have weird and whacky views and get upset at the slightest thing!

Personally, I'd like to know:
- Is Mr X Austin dodgy?
- What are we trying to gain from Pakistan?
- Is Mr Standing involved in/with the club?
- Are we going to be screwed by the FA?

I am reassured by:
- Rob Angus being former Trust and a big fan being involved with putting the club on a firm footing.
- Things appearing to be going right on and off the pitch

I am hopeful that:
- The will be no new sleezy revelations and surprises
- We do well in the playoffs
- We can kick on next year.
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