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« Reply #1725 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 18:59:41 »

If you know something - why donít you just say it?
I agree
Far too many people suggesting , that's easy anyone can do that. If you know something state it.
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« Reply #1726 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 19:00:21 »

Did the Trust ever complete any full diligence checks into ZA? Y/N answer.
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« Reply #1727 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 19:01:26 »

This is Swindon Town and whether Standing in no longer an agent he was before.
He is still owned money after all and everyone was friends once upon a time.
Are the Trust all over this, they should be.
Yes he is owed money, but by LP
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« Reply #1728 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 19:04:23 »

Or Michael Standing himself.

Well I was trying to leave the *ahem* question up for interpretation  Wink

Edit: Which has been glossed over and ignored.

Why do I feel like the Trust has become more of a sort of "yes man" to the club? Just a hunch, don't slaughter me for it but it seems all rather nodding of heads and all is rosy when it really isn't.

The club (and Trust) can't expect us to just roll over when a statement is made (as nice as that is) and accept everything that is said. There has been this lingering vibe about the club since Clem (and possible A N Other(s) ) took over that they are the only ones going through tough financial situations. Well hell-to the fucking-o, just about every human has felt the impact of the last couple of years (and continue to do so). Did they forget that when shamelessly pleading with folk to defer season ticket refunds? When they didn't they put a pressing vibe across that made those people feel guilty for not doing so - dug their heels in when issuing said refunds and had more stalls than the Royal Albert Hall. Like for fuck sake. Fans have still come out in numbers and yet STFC have still been quite cunty about things like this.

Contrasting STFC quotes that follow mean is it any wonder folk still are concerned:

"You need to do your bit to help turn it around" (granted but don't guilt trip your core support)
"We can pay £7m to cover all debts" (Well... Unsure )
"We're asking fans to defer ST refunds - we'll give you the equivalent discount of a roll of PTFE tape from Clem's Overstocks"*
"You've got your Club back" (hmm, have we?!)

Some people can just see through stuff and anyone buying this club should be aware that STFC fans whilst loyal to their club will not put up with another owner that puts them through a load more shite; more importantly so - they can see when things aren't quite "right" due to years of mismanagement/poor ownership.

Anyway, I agree with Sir Batchio though that this should maybe wait until after the POs but the Trust shouldn't be continually defending the club every time someone asks a pressing question, just because one of their main buddies now happens to be CEO - otherwise your role as Trust becomes rather pointless; a bit like those Tick Box Advisory Board Meetings...




*The second part of this was made up. It's actually 3 rolls  Cheesy
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« Reply #1729 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 20:27:07 »

Yes he is owed money, but by LP

Is he part of the club now though?
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« Reply #1730 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 20:38:08 »

Is he part of the club now though?

Shareholder, director (exec or non exec) or an employee?
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« Reply #1731 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 20:41:04 »

Is he part of the club now though?

I will say it again - if you know something, why donít you say it? You are constantly hinting that you do.
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« Reply #1732 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 20:50:51 »

Well I was trying to leave the *ahem* question up for interpretation  Wink

Edit: Which has been glossed over and ignored.

Why do I feel like the Trust has become more of a sort of "yes man" to the club? Just a hunch, don't slaughter me for it but it seems all rather nodding of heads and all is rosy when it really isn't.

The club (and Trust) can't expect us to just roll over when a statement is made (as nice as that is) and accept everything that is said. There has been this lingering vibe about the club since Clem (and possible A N Other(s) ) took over that they are the only ones going through tough financial situations. Well hell-to the fucking-o, just about every human has felt the impact of the last couple of years (and continue to do so). Did they forget that when shamelessly pleading with folk to defer season ticket refunds? When they didn't they put a pressing vibe across that made those people feel guilty for not doing so - dug their heels in when issuing said refunds and had more stalls than the Royal Albert Hall. Like for fuck sake. Fans have still come out in numbers and yet STFC have still been quite cunty about things like this.

Contrasting STFC quotes that follow mean is it any wonder folk still are concerned:

"You need to do your bit to help turn it around" (granted but don't guilt trip your core support)
"We can pay £7m to cover all debts" (Well... Unsure )
"We're asking fans to defer ST refunds - we'll give you the equivalent discount of a roll of PTFE tape from Clem's Overstocks"*
"You've got your Club back" (hmm, have we?!)

Some people can just see through stuff and anyone buying this club should be aware that STFC fans whilst loyal to their club will not put up with another owner that puts them through a load more shite; more importantly so - they can see when things aren't quite "right" due to years of mismanagement/poor ownership.

Anyway, I agree with Sir Batchio though that this should maybe wait until after the POs but the Trust shouldn't be continually defending the club every time someone asks a pressing question, just because one of their main buddies now happens to be CEO - otherwise your role as Trust becomes rather pointless; a bit like those Tick Box Advisory Board Meetings...




*The second part of this was made up. It's actually 3 rolls  Cheesy

I can assure you we hold the club and CM to account having attended many of the AB meetings I can confirm many times we have disagreed , argued and given the club feedback not in line with what the club want to do, certainly no nodding yes by default as you describe. I have actual real experience and evidence of this so perhaps back up your claim ??

I can also assure you the AB is not a tick box exercise,  half of the really positive changes made would not have occured without this vehicle which is always very open, honest and certainly not the Trust or OSC just nodding in agreement! There is alot of great work done through the AB and lots of hard work completed by both the Trust and OSC. I would not regularly take time off my day job to attend and contribute if it was a waste of time box ticking exercise. What would be the point?

There is alot being made that things are not quite as they seem, its simply not true.
Yes an ex trust board member is CEO but would you rather have an intelligent and successful passionate swindon fan running our football club who cares desperately that our club improves on and off the pitch, than just another money man CEO who is driven by spreadsheets and no attachment or genuine love of the club?

Things are never perfect and yes mistakes have been made and the club have learnt from these and perhaps they may have done some things differently , but I would 1000% rather have what we have now than what we have had previously.  I genuingly know and feel Clem and Rob etc have the best interests of STFC in what they do, I have seen it at first hand many times, they might not always get it right but what human being can state they always get everything right.

I think if people have evidence to prove their general negativity and a general what appears to be unhealthy undertone to some of these unevidenced comments please share with us and we will assess it. If you dont then just get behind the club and let's get promotion and stop this silliness which is stated but not ever evidenced?
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« Reply #1733 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 21:47:06 »

100%, well said. And given the suggestions on here about Austinís role being more significant than it has been presented in public, a relief to hear. Thanks to the Trust and OSC for the work theyíre doing. Weíd have zero insight if it wasnít for them.
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« Reply #1734 on: Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 22:26:44 »

Is he part of the club now though?

I have sent a large bag of shit with a ladle that you can stir it to your heart's content.

Noone can prove definitively that anyone isn't involved so we all might be, unless there is evidence that we already are.
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« Reply #1735 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 06:45:24 »

I have sent a large bag of shit with a ladle that you can stir it to your heart's content.

Noone can prove definitively that anyone isn't involved so we all might be, unless there is evidence that we already are.


Nothing to stir only concerns.
All about on the pitch matters. A case of waiting to see what unfolds in the Court.

All we want is transparency and stability at Swindon afterall.
The feel good factor has returned and itís a million miles from where we were.

All about the play offs.
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« Reply #1736 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 07:23:53 »

The PSC register on companies house is clear that Clem is the ultimate controlling party.

Swindon Town Football Company Limited is owned by Seebeck 87 Limited, which is owned by Swinton Reds 20 Limited, which is owned by Axis Football Investments Limited, which is owned by Clem Morfuni.

It's a mess of holding companies but the ownership is fairly clear.

However, whether anyone has a loan outstanding against any of those companies is not clear. But that's a different matter.
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« Reply #1737 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 07:49:27 »

Things have gone a bit fuzzy for me.

Whatís the deal with the Power/Standing case? S says P owes him circa £6m which is what he purported to have put into the club (under the radar). With the club now being legally sold to Clem is Standing trying to get his money back personally from P?

The club was bought for £212,500 off P - te he - how else will S get his money back?
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« Reply #1738 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:00:45 »

Just waiting for this lass to give us her thoughts....
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« Reply #1739 on: Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:01:23 »

Ah, Mystic Smeg
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