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« Reply #13170 on: Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 17:19:41 »

I don't think any of the parties (or, any that have any chance of winning) think illegal immigration is a good idea, it's just a practical issue of what you can actually do about it. Not sure token flights to Rwanda is going to make the blindest bit of difference.
I was really meaning the problem is Europe-wide. Some countries, though, are actively encouraging it.
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« Reply #13171 on: Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 17:29:59 »

Reform arenít that far behind the Tory party in the polls.

Iím afraid that is a reflection on the way the whole of Europe is leaning at the moment. Most people accept immigration is necessary but surely nobody can defend that the huge amount of illegal immigration is good for anybody.

I thought the half a billion pound we gave to Macron was going to sort things out Cheesy
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« Reply #13172 on: Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 18:41:33 »

Yes not reading any newspapers qualifies you for political comment for sure. Labour gave us unions, the NHS minimum wage the list is endless. Maybe read a book?

Every single Tory government has left the Country with massive debt whilst they have given loads of money to themselves as shareholders of companies. They have sold off all the family silver so the country owns nothing and most is now owned by Chinese, Russian, French rouge states like Saudi and other rich individuals. We as a Country have sold everything off. Water, utilities, railways all used to be owned by you and I. Even our football clubs have been sold off. You ignorant knob.

Resort to insults how very grown up. Says far more about you than it does me.

In 1997 when Blair got in after 18years of Tory rule the public finances were in the black then look what happened! Labour govt after Labour govt have always left higher unemployment and the economy in a worse position than they inherited. This is a fact.
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« Reply #13173 on: Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 19:22:49 »

Is the answer you're looking for eleven consecutive years of everything going really rather well until the global financial crisis fucked absolutely everything? Because I'd take that over how the last 13 years have gone.
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« Reply #13174 on: Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 20:08:58 »

Until war and pestilence kicked in  Wink
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« Reply #13175 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 08:29:56 »

Resort to insults how very grown up. Says far more about you than it does me.

In 1997 when Blair got in after 18years of Tory rule the public finances were in the black then look what happened! Labour govt after Labour govt have always left higher unemployment and the economy in a worse position than they inherited. This is a fact.


That is not a fact - sorry for insulting you. It's just people who express opinions that are factually wrong and ask what the Labour Party did for working class people without having any fucking knowledge of the subject make me think they are fucking stupid twats. Sorry about that. Seriously - read a book on politics from about 1945 onwards and look and what has happened to the distribution of wealth and the state of public services, access to education, health services etc. Then you can come back on here and apologise for being so ignorant.
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« Reply #13176 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 09:32:31 »

Thereís a reason why (since the late 80s) NHS waiting list time has gone up year on year under the Toryís, yet under Labour waiting time has reduced.

One party invest in our public services & the other cut public services (in real terms).

For most this doesnít have much impact, however if you have any social conscience at all you wonít vote Tory
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« Reply #13177 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 10:05:48 »

Thereís a reason why (since the late 80s) NHS waiting list time has gone up year on year under the Toryís, yet under Labour waiting time has reduced.

One party invest in our public services & the other cut public services (in real terms).

For most this doesnít have much impact, however if you have any social conscience at all you wonít vote Tory
This.
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« Reply #13178 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 18:47:36 »

Thereís a reason why (since the late 80s) NHS waiting list time has gone up year on year under the Toryís, yet under Labour waiting time has reduced.

One party invest in our public services & the other cut public services (in real terms).

For most this doesnít have much impact, however if you have any social conscience at all you wonít vote Tory

Look at Wales- been Labour run for years and look at the performance of the NHS there- even worse than here
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« Reply #13179 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 19:07:14 »

conversely, 14 years ago I could ring my GP and actually get an appointment,. And get seen by my hospital specialist after referral
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« Reply #13180 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 19:19:42 »

Look at Wales- been Labour run for years and look at the performance of the NHS there- even worse than here

Perhaps because they are underfunded by central government
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« Reply #13181 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 19:31:18 »

Perhaps because they are underfunded by central government

No itís because itís badly managed and needs reform it just isnít fit for purpose
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« Reply #13182 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 19:44:50 »

No itís because itís badly managed and needs reform it just isnít fit for purpose

This. We have Welsh family in Wales, as opposed to English family in Wales, dyed in the wool Welsh Labour. Say the same as Outletred. You, Posh Red cannot accept that anything going bad could possibly be the fault of a Labour run organisation or funding by a Labour administration. Drakeford was and will be for a long universally hated by both sides of the voting public. The situation is even worse in Scotland via the SNP. Youíve heard of the Barnett formula Iím sure. All the devolved parliaments receive more funding per head of population than we do in England. So money isnít the issue.
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« Reply #13183 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 19:51:19 »

This. We have Welsh family in Wales, as opposed to English family in Wales, dyed in the wool Welsh Labour. Say the same as Outletred. You, Posh Red cannot accept that anything going bad could possibly be the fault of a Labour run organisation or funding by a Labour administration. Drakeford was and will be for a long universally hated by both sides of the voting public. The situation is even worse in Scotland via the SNP. Youíve heard of the Barnett formula Iím sure. All the devolved parliaments receive more funding per head of population than we do in England. So money isnít the issue.

Correct. They get more per head and deliver worst outcomes thatís what they will do to England as well. Donít get me wrong Iím hardly a fan of this government but I do know they will be worse as history has always proved.
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« Reply #13184 on: Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 21:03:39 »

Correct. They get more per head and deliver worst outcomes thatís what they will do to England as well. Donít get me wrong Iím hardly a fan of this government but I do know they will be worse as history has always proved.

Except history has proven that the NHS performs worse under a Tory government than it does under Labour.

Do they get everything right, no they donít, they fuck up plenty of stuff too, but you can be sure that public services will be better funded as instead of lining the pockets of their donorís & friends
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