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« Reply #12120 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 09:38:09 »

With an 80 seat majority currently there is next to no chance that either the Tories hold onto a majority or Labour swing it enough to have a majority of their own

Next election will end with the chaos of a minority government or a collation, so that will be fun!
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« Reply #12121 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:30:44 »

It a sorry state of affairs when a PM is disliked by 40% of his party yet gets to keep his job without accepting the dignity of resigning, and there isn't a credible enough opposition to force (let alone win) a general election.

Sigh.

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« Reply #12122 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:34:34 »

As long as Jacob Rees-Mogg keeps licking his arse he's happy😀
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« Reply #12123 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:34:46 »

It a sorry state of affairs when a PM is disliked by 40% of his party yet gets to keep his job without accepting the dignity of resigning, and there isn't a credible enough opposition to force (let alone win) a general election.

Sigh.



If they lose both upcoming by elections in Yorkshire and Devon, he'll go I think. Any subsequent leader in my opinion won't be good enough to win a general election. But,as you say,is Starmer good enough? Not convinced
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« Reply #12124 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:36:51 »

As long as Jacob Rees-Mogg keeps licking his arse he's happy😀

One day,please God,that anachronistic arse wipe will get that permanent smirk well and truly wiped off his self superior face
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« Reply #12125 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:37:21 »

One day,please God,that anachronistic arse wipe will get that permanent smirk well and truly wiped off his self superior face

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« Reply #12126 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:00:01 »

I don't really care if they are likeable, just competent and (relatively) honest would be an improvement on what we have today. 


Yeah that's a fair point, but you would hope if they were competent and honest they might also be likeable, but perhaps that's me wanting to have my cake and eat it.
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« Reply #12127 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 19:33:59 »

With an 80 seat majority currently there is next to no chance that either the Tories hold onto a majority or Labour swing it enough to have a majority of their own

Next election will end with the chaos of a minority government or a collation, so that will be fun!

Every general election ends with a coalition government in the uk. It's just that the coalition's tend to all staff the same colour rosettes on polling day. Our FPTP system doesn't provide stable majority government, it just gives the illusion of it. It drives the two major parties to be "broad church" groupings that from one wing to the other share very little in terms of a political programme and thinking.

It's all very well having an 80 seat majority but if 100 of them won't vote for you key proposals your stymied. At least in a formal coalition of parties it's clear what the deal is and who you have to negotiate with.
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« Reply #12128 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 21:45:08 »

Every general election ends with a coalition government in the uk. It's just that the coalition's tend to all staff the same colour rosettes on polling day. Our FPTP system doesn't provide stable majority government, it just gives the illusion of it. It drives the two major parties to be "broad church" groupings that from one wing to the other share very little in terms of a political programme and thinking.

It's all very well having an 80 seat majority but if 100 of them won't vote for you key proposals your stymied. At least in a formal coalition of parties it's clear what the deal is and who you have to negotiate with.

Yeah you make a valid argument. The Italian model works well. But they seem to change government like they change their underwear.
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« Reply #12129 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 21:54:11 »

Need my wife on here.

You’ll all be Corbynites in minutes…
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« Reply #12130 on: Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 06:54:42 »

Need my wife on here.

You’ll all be Corbynites in minutes…

Isn't your mrs that Rachel Swindon on Twitter?
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« Reply #12131 on: Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 07:37:13 »

Every general election ends with a coalition government in the uk. It's just that the coalition's tend to all staff the same colour rosettes on polling day. Our FPTP system doesn't provide stable majority government, it just gives the illusion of it. It drives the two major parties to be "broad church" groupings that from one wing to the other share very little in terms of a political programme and thinking.

It's all very well having an 80 seat majority but if 100 of them won't vote for you key proposals your stymied. At least in a formal coalition of parties it's clear what the deal is and who you have to negotiate with.
Good point.

Labour being an uneasy Blairite/Rent-a-Mob mix; Cons once a Libertarian/One Nation mix now reconfigured as a Libertarian/Interventionist Populist mix. IMO.

As for stability, the question today is whether the party leader voted in as PM will be changed post-election for the 3rd time in about 6 years - in contrast to the previous Coalition that lasted a full term.
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« Reply #12132 on: Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:09:18 »

Every general election ends with a coalition government in the uk. It's just that the coalition's tend to all staff the same colour rosettes on polling day. Our FPTP system doesn't provide stable majority government, it just gives the illusion of it. It drives the two major parties to be "broad church" groupings that from one wing to the other share very little in terms of a political programme and thinking.

It's all very well having an 80 seat majority but if 100 of them won't vote for you key proposals your stymied. At least in a formal coalition of parties it's clear what the deal is and who you have to negotiate with.

Indeed, quite an interesting discussion of the matter here along with an indication as to why the blue lot may be getting in a pickle at the moment https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1533780722304942085

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« Reply #12133 on: Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:16:49 »

Isn't your mrs that Rachel Swindon on Twitter?


Apparently so, yes
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