BNP

[SwindonStevo]

you say im racist, but my question remainds unasnwered.

[Reg Smeeton]

and the small island/dense population agrument is pure bollocks, have you ever seen the UK? we've got fuckloads of land.

  Just not true....England is one of the more densely populated areas of Europe...where building land is at a premium....the political elite and scummy liberal opinion formers....are quite happy to to bleat like about this as long as they can retain their pockets of privilege by sending house building to other areas of the UK and retaining their 2nd homes either abroad or maybe Scotland or Wales.

 Then its not their problem..

  Stevo's point is that  immigrants put pressure on the rest of us especially by illegal entry, purely from a population perspective.  This does and  has led to the ghettoisation of many urban communities in the UK.

 With inevitable social problems to follow......at the 2001 census it was estimated that upward of 1 million people had disappeared from official view....these mainly in the communities mentioned.

[sonicyouth]

which question?

[SwindonStevo]

i have friends of asian decent (there familys came over here legally and worked hard for there money) who feel the same way about the current system and how were getting taken the piss out of....by your thinking there racist too?

[SwindonStevo]

and another point to make.....australia is a huge undensly polulated country with achers of space, but they let no fucker in (with an extremely sucessfull low crime rate)......but oh wait there racist!

[sonicyouth]

i have friends of asian decent (there familys came over here legally and worked hard for there money) who feel the same way about the current system and how were getting taken the piss out of....by your thinking there racist too?

if they share the same ill-informed views as you, then yes. although it would be worse, as first/second/third generation immigrants they'd be kicked out of the country as well.

much of the empty space in australia is fairly inhabitable isn't it? not sure about that mind.

[Simon Pieman]

and another point to make.....australia is a huge undensly polulated country with achers of space, but they let no fucker in (with an extremely sucessfull low crime rate)......but oh wait there racist!

They let people in on their merits to society from what I gather, so doctors etc.

Most of Australia is desert, which is why it's not densly populated.

Japan is one of the worst for letting immigrants in if I rightly remember...

[SwindonStevo]

no your misinterpreting my views, why would i want my best friends farther (born in pakistan) to be immigrated when hes arrived to this country legally and worked all this life over here? this is not the sort of people im talking about....your misinterpretation of my views would obviously lead you to belive im some sort of nazi.

the fact that one of my friends is a muslim of pakistani decent would lead any rattional thinking person to belive i wasnt a racist in the first place.

[pauld]

i have friends of asian decent (there familys came over here legally and worked hard for there money) who feel the same way about the current system and how were getting taken the piss out of....by your thinking there racist too?

No of course not. But now you're talking about abuse of the benefits system I presume, which is not a problem exclusive to the immigrant community. If you "used your eyes" to look at the white community in the same way as you do the immigrant community, you'd find that benefit fraud is (surprise, surprise) widespread across the spectrum.

As an example, Radio 5 did a piece on people signed off sick a few months back in which they said that at one point some 25% of the male working population of a chunk of South Wales was in receipt of invalidity benefit. They're not all immigrants, in fact South Wales is largely white. In the same programme, the boss of a S Wales bus company complained he was having to get Polish drivers in because the locals were too comfortable on the sick and weren't prepared to work for the (standard) wages offered. Those same locals then bitterly resented the immigrant drivers for "taking their jobs". That's more a problem to do with the benefits system/the minimum wage/the poverty trap than it is to do with immigration, but it's very easy for the lazy and the bigoted to just blame all their woes on immigrants, a prejudice the likes of the BNP are delighted to capitalise on.

[flammableBen]

I'm very much of the view that the way people act is based on the way they are treated than where thay are from.

If crimes commited by asylum seekers when they get here are high when compared to the rest of the population, then yes we should change the stytem. Not to let less in, but to remove some of the beurocracy they face, help them intergrate into the country with education about our culture (whilst still letting them keep their own cultural identity) and educating the native population to remove some of the negative stereotypical views that a lot seem to carry.

hello me.

[sonicyouth]

no your misinterpreting my views, why would i want my best friends farther (born in pakistan) to be immigrated when hes arrived to this country legally and worked all this life over here? this is not the sort of people im talking about....your misinterpretation of my views would obviously lead you to belive im some sort of nazi.

the fact that one of my friends is a muslim of pakistani decent would lead any rattional thinking person to belive i wasnt a racist in the first place.

"my best friend is black/indian/muslim/jewish" is the oldest line in the book, but i'm sure you're being honest.

perhaps i am misinterpreting your views, but why would you want to vote bnp if you don't want your friend's father deported? because that is essentially what they want to do.

[SwindonStevo]

i have friends of asian decent (there familys came over here legally and worked hard for there money) who feel the same way about the current system and how were getting taken the piss out of....by your thinking there racist too?

No of course not.

Why because he is of a different colour to me hes not a racist even though he shares the same views? surely treating people differently just because of colour is classed as.....hold on whats it called? 'racism' i think!

and your point about white people (which isnt the argument in the first place because this has never been about colour, british would have been more apropriate) claiming every benifit they can and fleesing the country is a very valid one....but ive never said i agree with that either.

[SwindonStevo]

no your misinterpreting my views, why would i want my best friends farther (born in pakistan) to be immigrated when hes arrived to this country legally and worked all this life over here? this is not the sort of people im talking about....your misinterpretation of my views would obviously lead you to belive im some sort of nazi.

the fact that one of my friends is a muslim of pakistani decent would lead any rattional thinking person to belive i wasnt a racist in the first place.

perhaps i am misinterpreting your views, but why would you want to vote bnp if you don't want your friend's father deported? because that is essentially what they want to do.

yeah they probably would, but the thing is in all seriousness there never actually get into complete power in this country...but given afew seats they may put pressure on the other three parties to do something about the problem.

the bnp seem the only alternative (apart from ukip who seem quite on the ball when that twat kilroy isnt representing them)

[pauld]

So why are you turning a benefits fraud issue into an anti-immigrant argument (and you don't say illegal immigrants so you seem to be anti all immigrants, legal or not - where's that leave your mate?) that then translates into a vote for a Nazi party? Where the hell's the logic in that? There is none, you just don't like immigrants and you're looking for a reason to back your prejudice

[sonicyouth]

in reference to your views on ethnicity/immigrants and crime, have a gander at this

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=467