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« Reply #135 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 19:52:58 »

You missed out number four Reg - the BNP response:

4) Actively go out of your way to make life even more miserable for everyone by scapegoating those at the bottom of the pile and encouraging hatred and division in society
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« Reply #136 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 19:56:56 »

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4) Actively go out of your way to make life even more miserable for everyone by scapegoating those at the bottom of the pile and encouraging hatred and division in society


 Think 1 covers 4.
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« Reply #137 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 19:57:56 »

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You missed out number four Reg - the BNP response:

4) Actively go out of your way to make life even more miserable for everyone by scapegoating those at the bottom of the pile and encouraging hatred and division in society


 Think 1 covers 4.

Nah, 1's more the Tories position
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« Reply #138 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 20:02:52 »

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You missed out number four Reg - the BNP response:

4) Actively go out of your way to make life even more miserable for everyone by scapegoating those at the bottom of the pile and encouraging hatred and division in society


 Think 1 covers 4.

Nah, 1's more the Tories position


 I can see my three pointed summary of the human condition is going to need a bit more work. :scribe:
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« Reply #139 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 20:46:12 »

quite a black and white (bu-dum) picture you paint there, reg.

i'm not sure about the view that anyone has to live off the back of others either.
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« Reply #140 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 20:51:05 »

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quite a black and white (bu-dum) picture you paint there, reg.

i'm not sure about the view that anyone has to live off the back of others either.


 I take it you've never read any Marx or Engels.
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« Reply #141 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 20:59:57 »

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quite a black and white (bu-dum) picture you paint there, reg.

i'm not sure about the view that anyone has to live off the back of others either.


 I take it you've never read any Marx or Engels.
no, i've not.

commie shite isn't it?
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« Reply #142 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 21:03:05 »

I've never been brave enough to try and read Das Kapital.  I tried Mein Kampf and about 100 pages was as far as I got.
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« Reply #143 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 21:06:43 »

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quite a black and white (bu-dum) picture you paint there, reg.

i'm not sure about the view that anyone has to live off the back of others either.


 I take it you've never read any Marx or Engels.
no, i've not.

commie shite isn't it?


 I'd prefer to see them as historians and philosophers.
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« Reply #144 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 21:10:27 »

what's your (their) point then?

all i know is they were commies (which i know very little about) and thought that capitalism would result in the bourgois vs workers class divide growing
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« Reply #145 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 21:10:41 »

Marx ended his days drunkenly brawling around London pubs.  You've got to respect him for that at least.
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« Reply #146 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 21:15:11 »

I thought real Marx views were everyone deserves to do as well as they work for, hence if the poor work and the rich do fuck all redistribution should occur.
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« Reply #147 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 21:26:24 »

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You missed out number four Reg - the BNP response:

4) Actively go out of your way to make life even more miserable for everyone by scapegoating those at the bottom of the pile and encouraging hatred and division in society


 Think 1 covers 4.

Nah, 1's more the Tories position


 I can see my three pointed summary of the human condition is going to need a bit more work. :scribe:

It's a good start tho - one day we could be talking about Marx, Engels and Smeeton as chroniclers of the human condition.
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« Reply #148 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 21:31:55 »

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Marx ended his days drunkenly brawling around London pubs.  You've got to respect him for that at least.


i read that as mex instead of marx. still fits mind.
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« Reply #149 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 21:38:14 »

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what's your (their) point then?

all i know is they were commies (which i know very little about) and thought that capitalism would result in the bourgois vs workers class divide growing


 My point is that they saw a change in the world, the increasing pace of western global capitalism, and how the this system could only operate on the back of exploitation...whether women, children or other workers and how it needed a global element for the gaining of resources at cost to the workers extracting them at source.

  Many of the worst excesses of this system, have been eradicated in a long established economy like Britain...through the political intervention of such as trade unions....but whilst paying lip service to internationalism,  trade unionists in Britain have been complicit in the increasingly and rapacious exploitation of global scarce resources.

 Which brings me back to the three points....you have to decide where you stand.
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