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« Reply #75 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 10:12:42 »

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I rather have the B.N.P party in the local elections than the N.F

And who do you think the BNP are, exactly? They're just the old NF rebadged - after the NF's disastrous showing in the 79 election, they were riven with splits and a feud erupted between NF chairman (and ex-paramilitary) John Tyndall and some of the rest of the Fuhrergruppen. He split to form the New National Front which a couple of years later became the BNP and during the 80s eclipsed the NF as the major far-right racist party in the UK. Nick Griffin the current fuhrer stayed with the NF until the early 90s (blathering about a Jewish conspiracy to control the media) when even he could see it was a dead duck and jumped ship to the BNP, eventually ousting John Tyndall as party leader. They can dress themselves in suits, call themselves BNP, NF, whatever they like but they're still the same old Nazi scum they always were. Don't be fooled - they're violent racist thugs and a vote for the BNP is a vote for Nazis.
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« Reply #76 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 10:19:47 »

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And who do you think the BNP are, exactly? They're just the old NF rebadged - after the NF's disastrous showing in the 79 election, they were riven with splits and a feud erupted between NF chairman (and ex-paramilitary) John Tyndall and some of the rest of the Fuhrergruppen. He split to form the New National Front which a couple of years later became the BNP and during the 80s eclipsed the NF as the major far-right racist party in the UK. Nick Griffin the current fuhrer stayed with the NF until the early 90s (blathering about a Jewish conspiracy to control the media) when even he could see it was a dead duck and jumped ship to the BNP, eventually ousting John Tyndall as party leader. They can dress themselves in suits, call themselves BNP, NF, whatever they like but they're still the same old Nazi scum they always were. Don't be fooled - they're violent racist thugs and a vote for the BNP is a vote for Nazis.


point taken and a valid one.

i read somewhere also about nick griffen saying that the jewish controlled the media also think he said that it was the jewish that actually controlled the bank of england. i also appriciate the history lesson as i totally forgot about the new n.f party i was about 8 when the nf was in the 79 election i can just remember the uproar as we was living in germany at the time.....

cheers pauld for that :thumbs:
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« Reply #77 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 10:22:16 »

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And who do you think the BNP are, exactly? They're just the old NF rebadged - after the NF's disastrous showing in the 79 election, they were riven with splits and a feud erupted between NF chairman (and ex-paramilitary) John Tyndall and some of the rest of the Fuhrergruppen. He split to form the New National Front which a couple of years later became the BNP and during the 80s eclipsed the NF as the major far-right racist party in the UK. Nick Griffin the current fuhrer stayed with the NF until the early 90s (blathering about a Jewish conspiracy to control the media) when even he could see it was a dead duck and jumped ship to the BNP, eventually ousting John Tyndall as party leader. They can dress themselves in suits, call themselves BNP, NF, whatever they like but they're still the same old Nazi scum they always were. Don't be fooled - they're violent racist thugs and a vote for the BNP is a vote for Nazis.


point taken and a valid one.

i read somewhere also about nick griffen saying that the jewish controlled the media also think he said that it was the jewish that actually controlled the bank of england. i also appriciate the history lesson as i totally forgot about the new n.f party i was about 8 when the nf was in the 79 election i can just remember the uproar as we was living in germany at the time.....

cheers pauld for that :thumbs:

No probs, it's a bit obscure tbh and wouldn't really expect people to be familiar with it. Sorry if it came out a bit "history lesson"-ish, but like I say most people aren't aware of quite how deep into Nazi ideology this lot really are and it's important they know what they're voting for.
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« Reply #78 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 10:22:29 »

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haven't read the entire posts but from what i have read isn't the whole racist thing swung around 180º so that the whites are a minority and the others are a majority. in some town,s / city's in about 5 years the whites will be a minority so we are know going through what the coloureds went through during apartied etc. The B.N.P party have some good (not great) ideas and some of there policies works both ways, I rather have the B.N.P party in the local elections than the N.F one of there motto's was THERE AINT NO BLACK IN THE UNION JACK SO SEND THE F*****S BACK. i am not raciest by anybody's means but i am just predijuice. I get flustered also when immigrants move in to our street (which they have) get a everything that we have been waiting for,for years straight away and all drive brand new b.m.w's aud's etc and i struggle to keep my battered cav on the road......... :evil:  :roll:


Errrr.........are you being ironic or are you just deluded. Do you really think that the DSS are handing out brand new beemers to asylum seekers? Or is it possibly that someone with a brown skin has moved in locally and happens to have a decent car because they go out and fucking work for it.

And incidentally try visiting:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/

and look at the population statistic for race. Hmm! I've got no stats qualifications but I'm sure that to qualify as a minority you really have to be below 50% of the population. 91% to 92% really can't be considered a minority (and that's just in England and Wales, the figures even higher if you include Scotland and Northern Ireland which are even more predominantly white.

Your comparison with South Africa is just fucking laughable. Let me think...... have a racial minority who are immigrants to this country taken over all the land, the entire economy, political and state structure and excluded the natives from the political process? Oh perhaps not seeing as my polling card for the local elections is lying on the table in front of me, the House of Commons and the Lords are overwhelmingly white, and a black face at a CBI meeting is usually the fucking security guard!

Oh and this "the BNP aren't like the NF" thing that a fucking load of you keep spouting!

DO THE FUCKING RESEARCH before you post! Where do you all think the BNP came from! Just sprung up in the last couple of years? No. split from the NF back in the 80's when they felt the NF was going a bit "soft" and moving away from it's neo-nazi skinhead streetfighting roots. (The NF was toying with the idea of a 3rd way, a nationalism with an economy between socialism and facism. Conceptually bollocks but it appealed to the bunch of middle class university types that formed part of the NF's leadership. During this time they formed some fucking weird links with other nationalist groups, including Gadaffi, and even reportedly the IRA.)

The BNP took itself back to the nazi bully boy roots of the NF. Tyndale gets to wear his Nazi uniform and jackboots and have a bit of a civil war with the Front. Fast forward ten years and the NF had disappeared up its own arse, and the BNP were THE neo-nazi presence in Britain. Racist attacks, parcel bombs, fire bombings, they've got convictions for it all. They even form a armed wing Combat 18 to carry out the nastier bits of what is, lets face it, terrorism (oh the irony of their fucking bleating on about 7/7 when they had a convicted bomber on their national exec for about 15 years)

Just because Griffins got a degree and wears a tie doesn't suddenly make them an English Plaid Cymru.

You can get a gorilla to wear a suit for a short time if you try hard enough.

Does everybody get the fucking message now!

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« Reply #79 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 10:55:14 »

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i am not raciest by anybody's means but i am just predijuice


the rallying call for all that are partially racist.


Racism is to be prejudice against someone because of their race you fool  Shocked

That makes you a racist. I'm by no means judging you, just stating the fact.
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« Reply #80 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 11:04:52 »

Is it ok to dislike the French with a passion though?
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SwindonStevo

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« Reply #81 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 12:14:29 »

look im not a racist...and i can understand that certain areas of the bnp maybe racist and they may attract a racist following, BUT there never actually get enough votes to be in complete controll of the country. Even if they did do you really think your black next door neighbour who was born and raised here is going to be called for and sent to a concentration camp like the jews in nazi germany?

times change people.

if they can get a few seats it will be enough to put pressure on the government in charge to sort out this countries immigration policy. the only other alternitive are the torries and while i might agree with there immigration policies...its probably the only one i do agree with.
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« Reply #82 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 12:29:33 »

Totally summed it up steve.
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« Reply #83 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 12:34:58 »

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Totally summed it up steve.

Bollocks Mex summed it up best. That's what you're voting for, pure and simple. Hands up anyone with any sympathy for all those muppets in 30s Germany who said "Well, the Nazis will never get in, I'm just registering a protest vote. Someone's got to do something about these Jews". If you're not a Nazi, don't vote Nazi. If you vote for them, don't be surprised if the rest of us draw our own conclusions.
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« Reply #84 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 12:38:11 »

Pauld

I already said I have always voted conservative, so please re read the thread.  In fact I stand corrected when I was 18 I voted Labour in a local election when I was mis informed about certain things.

I just wanted to know why everyone gets in a mood about them, they are a political party and therefore at current have the right to try and attract a vote.

At least it made this forum interesting for a few minutes anyway.
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« Reply #85 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 12:43:19 »

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Pauld

I already said I have always voted conservative, so please re read the thread.  In fact I stand corrected when I was 18 I voted Labour in a local election when I was mis informed about certain things.


No I knew that, my comments were aimed generally at anyone thinking of voting BNP as a protest vote, not directed at you. Egomaniac.

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I just wanted to know why everyone gets in a mood about them, they are a political party and therefore at current have the right to try and attract a vote.

As were the Nazis in 30s Germany, do you really need me to explain why people would "get in a mood" as you put it about violent racists? FFS!

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At least it made this forum interesting for a few minutes anyway.

And on that we can agree
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« Reply #86 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 12:51:10 »

I love the word egonamic! Definately describes me in one word (thats a joke by teh way and very untrue description) but thanks for lightning up my day....

At least we agreed on some things.
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« Reply #87 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 14:11:25 »

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if they can get a few seats it will be enough to put pressure on the government in charge to sort out this countries immigration policy

what's wrong with the country's immigration policy may i ask?

Immigrant populations (%):
FN =Foreign Nationals
FB = Foreign Born

Korea - 0.5 FN
Italy 2.4 FN
Netherlands - 4.3 FN, 10.3 FB
UK - 4.4 FN
Sweden - 5.3 FN, 11.5 FB
Belgium - 8.2 FN
Germany - 8.9 FN
US - 11.1 FB
Switzerland - 19.7 FB
Australia - 23.1 FB

you are either very misinformed or a racist. i'll leave you to take your pick
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« Reply #88 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 15:18:54 »

i spent a good hour or so today putting up posters from the unite against fascism website around my college. obviously, i got permission from the powers that be and they were quite happy for me to do it.

surprisingly enough, a few people actually asked what i was doing and took an interest, all of whom - bar one who is a twat anyway - agreed with what i was doing.

i'll probably get some stick for being a self-praising nobjockey, but never mind.

you can see the leaflet here
http://www.uaf.org.uk/resources/0503CAcolDLleaflet.pdf
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« Reply #89 on: Thursday, April 20, 2006, 15:32:33 »

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i'll probably get some stick for being a self-praising nobjockey, but never mind.

You self-praising nob-jockey. But well done anyway
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