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Title: Cricket
Post by: michael on Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:42:58
India v England 4 match test series is on Channel 4. Plus ODIs, plus T20Is.

Day 1 is underway, England are batting.

I tell you what, those Indians do love their cricket, not only do they start playing really early in the morning, but in the middle of winter too.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:31:21
Lovely getting to watch it in Channel 4, even if the last minute nature of the coverage is a bit obvious.

Joe Root is rather good at this.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:40:47
Been following on BBC, had no idea it was on Channel 4, that's exciting. Hearing Lou Bega's Mambo #5 at half ten in the morning was the highlight of many a summer back in the day.

England going very well at the moment, 235/2. Should be posting a 500 plus score from here, which they will if Root stays around. He's in the form of his life.



Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, February 5, 2021, 10:52:14
Root now on 114. Good stuff. He's class


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, February 6, 2021, 07:49:19
400/4, this is concerningly competent.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Saturday, February 6, 2021, 08:26:42
Root gets his double hundred with a six. Been watching for about two hours now and heís not put a foot wrong. He must be knackered


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, February 6, 2021, 09:38:08
Root gets his double hundred with a six. Been watching for about two hours now and heís not put a foot wrong. He must be knackered
I'm sure tiredness contributed to his demise.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Saturday, February 6, 2021, 10:21:52
I'm sure tiredness contributed to his demise.

9 hours at the crease in 30 degrees cannot be comfortable


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: michael on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 12:41:26
A lovely win in the first test. I think that is 6 wins in a row in Asia?

Is there anything left unsaid about just how good Jimmy Anderson is?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 13:19:32
A lovely win in the first test. I think that is 6 wins in a row in Asia?

Is there anything left unsaid about just how good Jimmy Anderson is?

Best pace bowler of all time?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 13:25:07
Best pace bowler of all time?

It's one of those endless debates. I don't think Anderson's peak was as high as a lot of bowlers, but very few touch him for longevity and sustained excellence - maybe Courtney Walsh or Richard Hadlee.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 13:27:47
It's one of those endless debates. I don't think Anderson's peak was as high as a lot of bowlers, but very few touch him for longevity and sustained excellence - maybe Courtney Walsh or Richard Hadlee.

It's a fair point, how to judge.  It's like in the NFL, the adjusted best season ever is Joe Namath, but very few would argue he's the best of all time.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, February 13, 2021, 10:16:38
Looking a bit more like I was expecting this series to go today. Not sure we've even done much wrong, India are just good at batting at home.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 09:40:02
9am start for this day/night test. Not expecting to do too much work this week...


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 10:18:02
9am start for this day/night test. Not expecting to do too much work this week...

Wish this test started a couple of days later. I'm not holding out much hope of catching any Saturday morning, got a horrible feeling India have got their mojo back and might wrap this up quickly. Really hope I'm wrong


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: REDBUCK on Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 12:19:24
104-8 says you're not wrong.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 13:19:59
112 all out.

I'm not much of a cricketist, but that's not good.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 13:24:15
74-2, lost the last eight wickets for 38 runs. Poor.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 17:02:49
At least India struggled in response.....Oh! ,😖


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: river monster on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 09:58:26
Trying to make a game of it at least. India 125-8


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 10:39:46
At least India struggled in response.....Oh! ,😖

That aged beautifully :D

Joe Root 5/8. Hilarious.

This match finishes today.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: donkey on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 10:49:23
Roooooooooooooooooooot!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 11:07:02
This first over is going well, funny as fuck


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 11:08:37
This match finishes today.

By tea


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 12:43:39
I havenít caught any of the Ďhighlightsí yet. I assume itís another stinker of a pitch? Or have both teams just batted horribly? Root getting a five for suggests spinners dream of course


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 12:45:30
75-7 suggests so!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 12:53:28
Most of the wickets have fallen to ones that haven't turned, but plenty of balls in between have gone miles and clearly got in everyone's heads. It's very difficult to bat on, but probably not quite as impossible as the batsmen have made it look today.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 13:56:23
The VAR guy is a bit of a homer.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 19:19:50
What was the Ahmedabad groundsman thinking with his first day turner?

Presumably the same as the Sheridactyl-favouring CG quagmire.  Help the home team.

This quirky pitch did abnegate the random advantage of winning the toss however.  And it didn't look so quirky to Rohit who scored 91 for once out, featuring the highest strike rate in each innings in either team.  Axar's pitch perfect bowling also stood out.

Our seam focus in this match, alongside our rotation policy don't seem to have helped.  With Root and Stokes it briefly looked like we may be able to set a target, after Roots' Fivefor,  But congratulations to India on a comfortable win.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 19:28:22
Root was interesting afterwards, he didn't so much blame the pitch as the ball for skipping on and losing less pace off the pitch than a normal ball - it was the first time this pink ball has been used. That would explain a lot of poor timing of straight balls by good players (mostly in India shirts)


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: bamboohoomyavatar on Thursday, February 25, 2021, 20:34:35
This fred just reminds me of Reg  :(

Every time I see "new comment", I think it's going to be he telling us about a brief train ride down to Taunton. How he had the pleasure of an East European young filly sat yards away from him; to bring back to the fore memories of an earlier encounter in Tallinn and a wry chuckle to boot.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, March 6, 2021, 08:22:36
Well this has been a bit rubbish.

Root has almost four times more runs than any English batsman over the India and SL tests. Different gravy, but everyone else has been dreadful.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: ronnie21 on Saturday, March 6, 2021, 13:22:19
This fred just reminds me of Reg  :(

Every time I see "new comment", I think it's going to be he telling us about a brief train ride down to Taunton. How he had the pleasure of an East European young filly sat yards away from him; to bring back to the fore memories of an earlier encounter in Tallinn and a wry chuckle to boot.
Did we ever find out what has happened to Reg?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 6, 2021, 13:36:20
no


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: michael on Friday, March 12, 2021, 13:05:07
After all that test match red (/pink) ball nonsense, the REAL cricket starts today: 1st T20 international, India v England.

England won the toss and have chosen to bowl. PLAY BALL.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 12, 2021, 13:16:23
Should be really good to be fair. Not a test match snob, I'll watch any cricket and this 5 match series should be genuinely good - one of the issues with T20I series is that they're usually 1 or 2 game affairs, this should have some chance of momentum and narrative.

World Cup later in the year as well, in India. I reckon we have a chance, but really need Moeen or S Curran to nail down 7 and balance the team.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: michael on Friday, March 12, 2021, 13:43:22
A good start for England, Rahul out for 1 and Kohli out with a big fat lonely 0.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 12, 2021, 13:44:23
Bowling our two best bowlers up front is a fucking ballsy move. As is picking Sam Curran and not giving him the new ball.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: michael on Friday, March 26, 2021, 15:08:53
2nd ODI, Ben Stokes has just hit 45 runs off 10 balls, and is still going (95* from 50).


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 26, 2021, 15:15:31
You put the mockers on that!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: michael on Friday, March 26, 2021, 15:17:42
After getting to 50 his next 12 balls went 6 6 6 1 6 4 2 6 6 2 4 W


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 26, 2021, 15:26:24
Playing absolute Stick Cricket there.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 26, 2021, 16:12:03
Stokes 49 runs after reaching 50 (BBC)!

6, 6, 6, 1, 6, 4, 2, 6, 6, 2, 4, W.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: bamboohoomyavatar on Friday, March 26, 2021, 16:42:40
After getting to 50 his next 12 balls went 6 6 6 1 6 4 2 6 6 2 4 W

Stokes 49 runs after reaching 50 (BBC)!

6, 6, 6, 1, 6, 4, 2, 6, 6, 2, 4, W.

 :hmmm:


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 26, 2021, 16:47:28
weird. did not see Michaels post. Not even on ignore.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 2, 2021, 09:47:43
The summer starts here. What a day for it, fans at Lord's and New Zealand over here to face us. Very little to complain about there, I've even got the week off.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:16:30
So the last two nights have seen the launch of the Hundred, with men's and women's games on the Beeb. It's very much aimed at winning over people who don't already like cricket, and judging from the general popularity of this thread the TEF certainly seems to be a hotbed for such folks (admittedly probably skewing a bit older than the target demographic).

So, anyone watched either of the games who isn't normally a cricket fan? What did you think and will you be back?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:21:08
Didn't watch - but I'm a cricket nut. Two of my sons are going to Edgbaston to watch the 1 August games.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:22:21
So the last two nights have seen the launch of the Hundred, with men's and women's games on the Beeb. It's very much aimed at winning over people who don't already like cricket, and judging from the general popularity of this thread the TEF certainly seems to be a hotbed for such folks (admittedly probably skewing a bit older than the target demographic).

So, anyone watched either of the games who isn't normally a cricket fan? What did you think and will you be back?

Not really aimed at me as I do watch cricket but I've watched most of the first 2 games and enjoyed them both. 

I very rarely watch anything other than England games unless it's a World Cup so I've already seen a few players I wasn't familiar with in last night's game.

Interesting format, hopefully it will open cricket up to a new market, was great to see so many young girls excited for the women's game on Wednesday.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Cookie on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:55:20
I'm not a big fan of t20 anyway so the hundred isn't for me. This form of cricket excludes most of the nuance which makes cricket interesting imo. Batters have it far too easy in the short form, let's have more swinging/spinning but require more aggressive fields or something.

If the aim is to get more people interested in cricket then just remove the paywall. Nothing beats the highs and lows of test cricket but most people don't have access to it.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:39:26
Most people have such little time to get into cricket via the test format, this can be a gateway for those people. 

Enjoy what you see here, go to a couple of games, watch a few one days then if so inclined watch some tests. 

You don't get into cooking, for example, by starting with banquets, you feel your way into it with making a few things from scratch.

As for batters having it easy, that is up to bowlers, with their coaches and captains, to make it harder for them.  The Oval Invincibles last night kept Brathwaite (huge hitter) from scoring big really well, if this can translate to slowing run rates in tests then that can be good thing too.

I understand people who only really care for the test format but I like to see the reactions of the players that play in all formats, obviously they are well paid in shorter formats but you can't fake the emotion on display.  If they love it, why shouldn't the fans?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:44:48
I donít think this, or T20, helps get people into test cricket.

Had friends at work from India, and they were of the opinion that interest in test cricket was reducing in India, as most fans just watched the IPL.

For me, I havenít watched either game, but have friends that watched who are cricket fans that didnít really enjoy it.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:45:00
When we were in Sydney we went to what was the Australian version of this. (I think) Neither the wife or I are particularly into cricket and it was more of a social event to meet an old friend I used to work with that moved to Oz a few years back.

It was fun, we drank a lot, put buckets on our heads, contributed to the people making 'snakes' out of plastic pint glasses, enjoyed the nice weather etc. Couldn't tell you what was going on the field mind you.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Penmans Penalties on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:45:12
This format is about a good night out with cricket thrown in. I think the matches are in the big cities so us country folk wonít really give a toss who plays


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:47:39
This format is about a good night out with cricket thrown in.

Itís effectively a night at the darts outdoors


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:48:28
This format is about a good night out with cricket thrown in. I think the matches are in the big cities so us country folk wonít really give a toss who plays

Thing is, it's meant to be a family thing - the T20 blast games have been very much boozy big nights out and have sold out The Oval etc. with people on the piss who aren't really paying attention for years, and that was deemed to be the problem.

Interesting so far (from a two game sample) that the women's game was very much families introducing kids to the game, and the men's game felt much more like a typical party T20. Pretty much reflects my experience attending the previous comps (KSL/T20) so not sure it's really a total shift of approach.

Being on the Beeb is good though!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:59:05
It's all about getting kids and new people into cricket isn't it?

My youngest daughter is 9 and just getting into cricket, she's been through the ECB All Stars and Dynamos sessions and we're now looking at getting her into a club. Through Dynamos they were handing out the Topps cards for The Hundred and we got her some more for her birthday, she loved watching the first game on Thursday and matching the players to the cards.

From my own point of view, both matches were just like a T20 in terms of entertainment.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:08:31
People donít like change, 20/20 was slated when it was introduced but County cricket would have been on it last legs if it had relied on 10 people watching a County Championship game on a Tuesday afternoon

As mentioned it is a form of the game that will provide entertainment to new audiences


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:29:54
I watch cricket whenever I can, so watched some of each Hundred match. I don't tend to watch women's cricket so it was quite good for me to watch a few of them play.
I think it is trying to attract newbies to watching cricket, as last night they were demonstrating Yorkers, and it was good to see the younger kids watching - let's face it, a Test Match isn't really the place to take a youngster unless they're already cricket fans.
I wonder what Reg would have thought of it.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: JBZ on Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:45:52
I have been a member at Somerset for a number of years now. I have taken my offspring to all other formats of the game but they have shown little interest.  However, 2 of them are keen players.

I will probably sound a like a twazzock but i don't really see the point of the hundred.  You can probably promote cricket to young uns in the context of the current formats


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: bennett on Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:58:09
The hundred's just a rebadge of T20 (give or take a few overs). I don't see the point in it but then I already enjoy watching cricket.
If it helps get more people into the game then it's done its job


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 23, 2021, 13:03:58
Also, I'm isolating as I'm over from France for a bit.  Nothing else is interesting me on TV at the time the games are on, or at all frankly, so live sport is very welcome.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: JBZ on Friday, July 23, 2021, 13:10:43
I would have like to have seen some bold rule changes - for example, extra runs for the distance of each boundary or hitting particular targets/zones or having to take off a fielder at certain intervals.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, July 23, 2021, 13:10:47
I think that Reg described it as an abomination.
That's good enough for me.

T20 is plenty good enough.

Franchising is ok in cricket it would seem.
Still, all well & good if it encourages youngsters to take an interest in the satisfying thwack of leather on willow.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Munichred on Monday, July 26, 2021, 20:41:00
I've enjoyed watching quite a bit of cricket this summer. Just seen a very entertaining win for Trent Rockets in The Hundred. Great to see the enthusiasm shown by fans of all ages, but especially by families and the young kids who are the future of the game.
I enjoy watching the Indian Women's team too, some really good batters in that team.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Leggett on Monday, July 26, 2021, 20:50:26
I'm an extremely fair weather cricket watcher, watched quite a bit in the summer of 2000 whilst avoiding my GCSE revision, and have been to precisely one live cricket match with my cricket mad brother in law (who's dad was the vicar at a church that overlooks Edgebaston, he used to watch games from the roof when he was a nipper), which was a one day game between Gloucestershire and maybe Sri Lanka, again early 00s... can't remember. Dragged back into awareness of the sport by the Tailenders, ep1 OG ;)

Thoroughly enjoying the Hundred though. Trying to get my nippers to watch but neither really care, ha!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Monday, August 16, 2021, 16:17:39
Fucking useless


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, August 16, 2021, 17:34:05
What a shambles


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: AMayesIng on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 07:39:16
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/england-vs-india-1st-test-trent-bridge-its-not-the-coach-captain-or-players-at-fault-its-the-whole-rotten-system-1272148

Sums it up for me. Understand the rationale behind 20/20, but the way it, and the 100, have been scheduled, is not good for the game imho.

The 100 itself is totally un-neccessary; they could have tweaked the 20/20 (e.g. to add Womens teams) and been fine. As for the 8 new 'city franchises'; imagine 'West Country Cunts' or something in a new footy comp, based at Ashton Gate and taking players from us, Pox, Gash and Slave traders. The goals are twice as wide, 9 players, rush goalies and games last 60 minutes with 8 subs. Typical score: 11-8. First winners: MK Super Dons. Happy? Thought not.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, September 6, 2021, 13:15:43
Every. Fucking. Time.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 6, 2021, 14:35:45
Jasprit Bumrah is quite good isn't he?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, September 6, 2021, 15:34:23
Typical English sport, play not to lose and end up losing. Should have heaped pressure on India from the get go- the way we played today was only going to end up with an India win or draw.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, September 18, 2021, 12:52:22
Extraordinary win by Somerset


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, September 18, 2021, 13:04:48
A deeply silly game. Both teams did their absolute best to lose that one, but good to see Somerset make the final.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, September 18, 2021, 19:09:43
Poor start for Somerset


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, September 18, 2021, 20:23:04
Gutted


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, September 18, 2021, 20:27:56
https://twitter.com/VitalityBlast/status/1439322672391876611

Quite good that. Don't get that on a Sunday in the village leagues.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 14:51:14
Ashes starts tonight down under. Anyone putting their sleeping schedule in the bin to watch it rain in Brisbane?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Mr Stevens on Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 15:59:49
Home from work at 12.00 so will watch the first session and have the radio commentary on overnight.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 16:11:10
Should be back home in time to watch a bit of the first session with 3 points in the bag.  :)
BT Sport though?
Not sure how Fletch, Jenas, Rio et al will handle the commentary.
Badly probably.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 16:17:01
I actually quite like the look of their team - no Atherton and no Hussain obviously as they're contracted to Sky, which is a real shame but a lot of quite interesting people involved in the BT coverage rather than just the usual loudmouths - Butcher, Trott, Moeen Ali and Harmison are on the group. Might be a bit awkward with them not being there, but willing to give it a go.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 16:22:56
Oh is it on BT sport, not watched any tests for years but if its there might dip in.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 16:24:58
The looks like a good lineup.
I know that Butcher will be very good & the rest will know what they are talking about.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 20:17:01
Fuck yeah, just noticed itís on BT Sports, get in LL.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 00:10:13
Going to be a long night and day at The Gabba.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 00:21:40
I thought Town were shite tonight, but I get home and England are even worse 😢


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 04:56:01
This England team must score less than 200 more regularly than any other one in my lifetime, surely even the 90's one scratched 200 together more frequently.  Other than Root when in the mood and form, nobody ever looks in control when batting.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 06:21:37
At least we have a good bowling attack to get us out of trouble........Oh!  :doh:


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 07:43:24
There's something vaguely comforting about waking up to a calamitous performance in Aus. The world may change, but you can rely on some things.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 08:41:52
There's something vaguely comforting about waking up to a calamitous performance in Aus. The world may change, but you can rely on some things.

It makes me feel quite nostalgic. For most of my 20's we lost every ashes series and, particularly in Australia, there was no realistic expectation that we'd do anything but lose.

Rob's right though, even in those days the innings average was high 200s and sub 200 scores tended to be limited to second innings when the Aussies had piled on 500 plus and the situation was hopeless.




Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 08:45:37
I don't think Aus will pile on 500 plus mind, both sides are better bowling than batting at the moment. The net result might well be the same, but I think our bowlers will be okay.

And yes, I do expect this to be quoted tomorrow when Labuschagne and Warner are on 200* each.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 09:48:29
When did we last win at the Gabba? 30 years or more ago?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 12:34:28
It's rare for anyone other than the Aussies to win at the Gabba.  It's perfectly suited to their bowlers and batsmen. However, waving the white flag in the first hour of the Ashes probably sets a tone you don't want to be setting.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, December 10, 2021, 07:58:20
Well that was a bit better.
Could do with Root making a double century, to even have half a chance. Just hope we donít collapse again tomorrow after a good day.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, December 10, 2021, 08:33:49
Well that was a bit better.
Could do with Root making a double century, to even have half a chance. Just hope we donít collapse again tomorrow after a good day.
And Malan too!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, December 10, 2021, 08:58:41
Absolutely superb fight back by Malany and Rooty. Big hundreds from both and a cameo by the likes of Stokesy and Buttlery and we actually have a sniff of winning. Especially if the pitch throws up a demon or two


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 10, 2021, 09:02:24
Great fightback, bodes well for the rest of the series but we're still a long way behind in this game.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 01:52:59
Absolutely superb fight back by Malany and Rooty. Big hundreds from both and a cameo by the likes of Stokesy and Buttlery and we actually have a sniff of winning. Especially if the pitch throws up a demon or two

Whoops


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 07:39:50
To quote Blackadder, rather a spectacular return to form after the genius moment.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 08:52:53
Whoops

Whoopsy


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 08:56:37
avoided an innings defeat, something to build on 😁


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 09:07:28
Whoops

I did admire the optimism when you posted that.  :)

Strange decision to bat first and to leave out the 2 expert bowlers in those conditions.
Saving them for the day nighters I guess, but don't really understand the need for rotation in cricket.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 09:20:01
I called it time when we were 8 down last night. The nod order collapse was refreshingly consistent with recent ashes series it would seem.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Jimmy Qunt on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 09:48:25
I wouldn't mind but the Ozzies hardly have the calibre of McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, Lee, Ponting & the Waugh brothers etc.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: AMayesIng on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 10:18:28
I did admire the optimism when you posted that.  :)

Strange decision to bat first and to leave out the 2 expert bowlers in those conditions.
Saving them for the day nighters I guess, but don't really understand the need for rotation in cricket.

Jimmy is 39, fast bowling is quite hard on the body, especially if the opposition bat for a good chunk of 5 days. Having said that, rotating both of then out in the same game, then finding a bowler friendly Day 1 pitch and choosing to bat, does seem a little poorly thought through.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 10:31:38
Jimmy is 39, fast bowling is quite hard on the body, especially if the opposition bat for a good chunk of 5 days. Having said that, rotating both of then out in the same game, then finding a bowler friendly Day 1 pitch and choosing to bat, does seem a little poorly thought through.

Yeah, he's looked after himself though.
Selection for the squad should mean fit to play if called upon.*
Uphill struggle now.

*Doesn't seem to apply in football where broken feet & shoulders about to fall off haven't been a barrier to England selection for major tournaments.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, December 11, 2021, 13:24:56
Let's be honest over the past three years or more, that was not a collapse in either innings, just how we bat.   The difference between forms of the game cannot be coincidence.  Root is the only player who looks like a Test batsman.  The rest all average below 40 by a distance and never look set.  Stokes can be a great player but not an anchor and at some point we have to identify we can't pick him as a bowler, not one you want to rely on.  It's hard to knock individuals because they really don't have much more in them.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 13:40:55
Day night test the next one, so starts about 3:30 AM and goes from there, so a decent chance of seeing the final session of each day at least.

I see that the mood music suggests an England selectorial classic: bat shite, field shite, bowl pretty well considering, drop three bowlers for the next test.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 11:27:34
Well, the good news is the day/night game meant I was able to watch two whole sessions today.

The bad news is that those two sessions included one wicket.

Poor Jos Buttler has managed to pull off one of the best catches I've seen and one of the worst drops I've seen in one day. Sadly the blinder was off Harris, who is useless, and the drop was off Labuschagne, who really isn't, and was his second drop.

It's all feeling a bit 5-0 this.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 22:24:50
Game over already.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 23:29:29
When Root said in an interview that unlike previous tours we could take some positives out of the first test I thought we were in trouble.

Couldnít see many positives in a 9 wicket trashing, surely they should be thinking about what we could do better.

Only question is whether it will be 4-0 or 5-0


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, December 17, 2021, 08:44:31
Hameed catches Carey and England donít celebrate. Says it all


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:27:35
And now one of these incredibly annoying lower order biffing partnerships that we used to be great at.

And another drop. Our fielding has been horrible.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:20:15
God we are shit.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:22:16
Dire. Wouldn't be surprised if Root goes cheap as well. Series drubbing incoming.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:32:39
Saved by the storm.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:38:15
Burns needs to be dropped (which is ironic as it's all he seems able to do on the field). He offers nothing. Not the rest are much use either. Utterly useless.

EDIT: Probably not fair of me to single out any one player. They are a really poor test team across the board and it's no surprise that one or two individuals always seem to be scape goats, so I should probably take that back. The whole setup needs a rethink as we are going to be crushed 5-0.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:41:46
Burns needs to be dropped (which is ironic as it's all he seems able to do on the field). He offers nothing. Not the rest are much use either. Utterly useless

Bring back Strauss and Cook. Could play better than them two opening divs.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:42:42
You can only drop him if there's someone to replace him with though, and there really isn't. Literally on this tour, as they sent all the Lions team home so the only other batsmen on the tour are Crawley, Bairstow and Lawrence.

The main worry for me with Burns is that he's playing at these balls at all. They're bouncing over a second set of stumps and he's trying to play them - all the Aussies leave on length and it's so important to do that.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:47:49
You can only drop him if there's someone to replace him with though, and there really isn't. Literally on this tour, as they sent all the Lions team home so the only other batsmen on the tour are Crawley, Bairstow and Lawrence.

The main worry for me with Burns is that he's playing at these balls at all. They're bouncing over a second set of stumps and he's trying to play them - all the Aussies leave on length and it's so important to do that.

I don't know much about Crawley and Lawrence, would you be as worried about either of them opening as you must be about Burns? I'll defer to your more informed opinion.

Would Bairstow be worth a go? Could he be any worse?

I'm so disillusioned by this team, its really depressing


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 17, 2021, 11:13:13
Crawley had a long run in the side pretty recently as an opener/3, scored that one monster 270-odd against Pakistan but otherwise not much good. I have a mild hunch he might do okay on Aussie pitches, but no real evidence for that.

Bairstow and Lawrence are both lower order players. Could send them in to open, but it'd be a heck of a risk.

To a point, opening in Australia and opening in the UK is super different technically - in the UK you need to be wary of swing so play at the ball a lot to avoid it bowling you as you leave , in Aus there's less swing and more bounce so you want to play less to avoid it taking the edge as you play. This is part of why Warner was absolute shit in England last time out and is imperious in Aus.

Not sure what the answer is in any way really. Cricket has become so different in different locations now that competing abroad is stupidly hard against anything like a competent side.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, December 17, 2021, 11:29:05
Crawley had a long run in the side pretty recently as an opener/3, scored that one monster 270-odd against Pakistan but otherwise not much good. I have a mild hunch he might do okay on Aussie pitches, but no real evidence for that.

Bairstow and Lawrence are both lower order players. Could send them in to open, but it'd be a heck of a risk.

To a point, opening in Australia and opening in the UK is super different technically - in the UK you need to be wary of swing so play at the ball a lot to avoid it bowling you as you leave , in Aus there's less swing and more bounce so you want to play less to avoid it taking the edge as you play. This is part of why Warner was absolute shit in England last time out and is imperious in Aus.

Not sure what the answer is in any way really. Cricket has become so different in different locations now that competing abroad is stupidly hard against anything like a competent side.

Cheers for that Nemo, really insightful. Am I right in saying Bairstow has opened before, but without much success?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 17, 2021, 11:35:25
Not on a long term basis in red ball cricket, he does it all the time in white ball cricket but it's basically a different sport. I think we have chucked him in once or twice in a "Tom Broadbent up front" type hail mary though, which may be your memory.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 17, 2021, 11:59:24
Itís not just this team though is it, how long is it since we have won a test in Australia?





Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 17, 2021, 13:11:41
Central Contracts were once a game change for out Test team - enabling the cream of our talent to be coached, looked after and focused on improving their game without having to divert that attention away (yes, they still played County Cricket, but it made England like a top tier club).

Since then what has changed for us to become so utterly feeble?  The rise and change of the sorter forms of the game.  Playing a few 20 over games in India is far more of a career choice than getting an England Central Contract and playing any of the shorter forms a better choice for a player than adding a few County 4 day games to get some time in the middle.  The One Day game of yore used to be just a faster version of Test cricket, but with the focus has now become a different sport with completely different techniques being developed by players.

That has impacted other Countries as well, it's not just us.  Even this Aus team would take a serious beating from those that came before it.  I think, to the points made above, the technique issue is now showing up the variation in where you play as well.

Overall, nobody is really knocking on the door to replace this lot, which means we have a few years of abject batting to come.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: swindon74 on Friday, December 17, 2021, 13:47:39
The selection has been so odd, why are we putting leach in the team if we arenít going to even bowl him! Should have picked wood, he would have caused all sorts of issues with his bounce and pace. And then just have root as our main spin bowler.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, December 17, 2021, 14:14:14
The selection has been so odd, why are we putting leach in the team if we arenít going to even bowl him! Should have picked wood, he would have caused all sorts of issues with his bounce and pace. And then just have root as our main spin bowler.

Agree about Root being our main spin bowler. He might be technically as good but he seems to get wickets and batsmen might be more wary of him precisely because he isnít as technically good as Leach. Fear of the (relatively) unknown and all that


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, December 17, 2021, 15:26:00
Problem is that we have an ageing bowling attack and a technically flawed batting line up.

We have made village cricketers like Labuschene and Smith look like world beaters.

Burns is technically flawed. Hameed played one or two good innings before breaking his arm several years ago and has done little since. Quite how he has made it into the England side with a 1st Class average of 32 I'll never know!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 17, 2021, 16:18:51
We have made village cricketers like Labuschene and Smith look like world beaters.

They are world beaters, they have respectively the 2nd and 4th highest averages in the entirely history of test cricket.

Might be a bit lower if we could catch mind.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 06:30:15
Iím going to be quiet this time


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 06:46:32
Iím going to be quiet this time

I was just thinking this is going rather well. Root, what were you thinking?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 08:10:32
Not quiet enough Hunk, seemingly.

I know it's not the only thing but Aus just don't drop catches. It makes so much difference that they have to take ten wickets and we have to take 15 or more.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 08:54:26
There's noone to bring in! Burns, Hameed and Pope have to go.

All England have to bring in are Crawley and Bairstow.

But the fact Woakes has been ineffective suggests Wood will come back (if fit). The net effect of those 3 changes would be to weaken the batting line up.

Looked at the Lions squad and don't see any names I would bring in! Livingstone could potentially come in as a lower order option, but, is he better than Bairstow or Buttler (who for me are both number 6 or 7s in a decent team)?

The Vicar of Sibley is another failed opener who turned down the Lions tour.

Bracey showed he was waaaaaay off Test level.

I might as well get my pads out of the loft if we are looking further down the list!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 11:03:13
Woakes has been ineffective with the ball but has also been our fourth highest scoring batsman.

We've played Leach in the wrong test, it's spinning pretty significantly here. Swap the bowling attacks for the two tests and we'd have done better in both I'd have thought...

Of course, we could bowl for brain-dead runouts.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, December 19, 2021, 08:01:54
Here we go by again. Woke up to Malan bowling, walked the dog and back just to see him take guard.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 19, 2021, 10:28:25
Here we go by again. Woke up to Malan bowling, walked the dog and back just to see him take guard.

Well it is up to Stokes and Root to lead by example and lead the fight back.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, December 19, 2021, 14:03:23
Joe Root was dismissed with the final ball.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, December 19, 2021, 14:45:20
This is as nailed on a 5-0 drubbing as the Aussies could ever dream


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 20, 2021, 07:28:49
Chris Woakes now has more runs in the series than five of England's top seven, and will almost certainly be dropped for the next test.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, December 20, 2021, 08:21:06
This does feel very 1990's when England couldn't buy an Ashes win, doesn't it?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 20, 2021, 08:49:18
Quote from: Samdy Gray
This does feel very 1990's when England couldn't buy an Ashes win, doesn't it?

Rory Bremner is warming up his Paul Hardcastle parody remix as we speak....

https://youtu.be/G3bl4xaFZMM


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 20, 2021, 08:54:21
Well, we made it to tea. Buttler being able to bat like this, and like he does in the white ball stuff is quite remarkable.


Title: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 20, 2021, 09:15:26
bye bye butler.

silly out in the end


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 20, 2021, 09:39:03
Utter rubbish. Now all that will happen is that Bairstow, Crawley and Wood (if fit) will come in for Hameed, Pope and Woakes.

If its a turner, then maybe Lawrence comes in as another swisher and part time bowler - Leach doesn't seem to be the answer and Root has just mauled his own bowling attack. Not sure who bowled shortest for England as I have only seen the 'lowlights'.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 20, 2021, 11:03:32
There's certainly not a great deal to come in. I do think we could do better with selection, but we probably still lose.

Personally I think Leach is good enough (not Swann, but up to the level of a Panesar or a Tufnell) but getting spooked by him getting hit a bit on a flat deck by set batsmen shows the lack of faith of Root. I do wonder if he just doesn't rate any spin as he's so good at playing it himself - Mark Waugh is more or less the same on commentary.

That said, if we don't trust finger spinners in Aus, fair enough - then why pick two of them? Debut Parkinson or pick Crane in the summer and then take them on the tour. They just seem to have gone worst of both worlds.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, December 20, 2021, 15:53:40
There's a test tour of the WI in March and for that expect a total clean sweep.

Saqib Mahmood is playing BBL and took 4 for nothing the other day but it would be in his interests to wait until the WI tour rather than called up for 5th test when this side are buggered.

Crane or Parkinson as a leggie.  I like Yates as Warwickshire as an opening option but expect England to fluff around with Zak Crawley.

Expect Foakes to get a go in WI.

If Pope doesn't up his game then maybe time for a Abell or Livingstone or Harry Brook.

Tough as it would be England may have to make a call on Jimmy/Broad. I maybe only expect 1 to go to WI?  I think taking both would be detrimental to the future as such you have a choice to make next summer.  They cant both be allowed farewell tours.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 20, 2021, 16:00:35
I think Anderson and Broad are way past their sellby unfortunately. Woakes with Woods pace would be awesome. He's too slow to threaten though.

Time to let them go and build for the future.



Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 01:43:04
13-2  :suicide:


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 06:32:56
I think Anderson and Broad are way past their sellby unfortunately. Woakes with Woods pace would be awesome. He's too slow to threaten though.

Time to let them go and build for the future.


Can't see how the bowlers are to blame.   Without runs on the board you're on the backfoot and defensive.

Hammeed only averages 32 in first class cricket, and Crawley 31.   I don't understand why they are anywhere near the England team.
Not all their fault of course, the middle order all gave their wickets away today.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 08:38:38
Watched until 1am, when we were 2 down. Crawley 'slightly' unlucky to get a snorter when he was starting to look OK. Dropped the wrong opener imho. Hameed is a walking wicket and nowhere near the standard of a Test opener. Burns has a flawed technique which, is inconsistent and is bang out of form.

Different game when Root was batting. Made it look relatively easy at times. Malan was a little too crab like for me, which invited pressure. However, if you are going to play like that you have to stay there for multiple sessions. To get out before lunch in such a lame way was poor - As was Root, who seems to get punished for every loose shot.

The rest just aren't good enough as test batsmen. They are 'all rounders' meaning that they are neither one thing or another and in a good side, would all be fighting for number 6 or 7 slots.



Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 08:49:58
Not gonna lie, quite happy I don't have BT Sports...


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 10:25:33
Not gonna lie, quite happy I don't have BT Sports...

An Ashes test down under is on my bucket list of semi or full retirement things to do. Not sure Iíd want to actually sit in any of the stadiums being unmercifully ridiculed by the convicts. This has 5-0 written all over it and the limited overs games donít look to promising either.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 11:37:16
Limited overs will be fine, we're good at that.

The tests will not.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 12:50:16
Limited overs will be fine, we're good at that.

The tests will not.

I know that but Iím still not confidant weíll make a decent fist of it. Weíll see.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 22:27:40
Covid to prevent a whitewash?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 22:53:47
Nope. Not yet anyway. Second day can go ahead. Bring on the pain


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 23:01:22
Hope short lived yet again!

Not even Covid can stand firm against the Aussies!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, December 26, 2021, 23:34:43
Prediction: 2 early wickets to get hopes up then Aus finish day 370/7


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, December 27, 2021, 00:27:26
Prediction: 2 early wickets to get hopes up then Aus finish day 370/7

Part 1. Tick.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 27, 2021, 00:54:32
Ball starts to swing for Anderson just before drinks

Time for bed


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Monday, December 27, 2021, 02:36:27
Twitter as quoted by the BBC:

ĎJack Leach averages 61 against left-handers. Makes sense you wait until there are two of them at the crease to bring him on after what happened at the Gabba.í

Assuming as I must that the veracity of the quote is accurate, you really do have to question Rootís captaincy here. Possibly our greatest ever batsman. But a good captain? I have to doubt it. I fear this pressure we have put on them is going to go to waste, would love to eat humble pieÖbut letís be honest, I probably donít have to


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Monday, December 27, 2021, 03:00:13
When it comes to cricket Iím half way between a layman and an armchair fan, so Iím perfectly happy for it to be pointed out that Iím missing something by someone more itk. But fuck me is this not obvious that Root is having a captaincy nightmare? Heís murdered all the momentum we created by putting Leach on, surely? This appears to me to be shocking captaincy. Iíd suggest it might be time for him to concentrate on batting but who would replace him as captain? Stokes would probably be the only option from this lot, or maybe Bairstow? Past that Iím lost


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 27, 2021, 08:01:56
England captains traditionally resign when their batting drops off or when they've fallen out with everyone. Actual tactical acumen is considered optional, which is really odd when you consider how much Brearley is deified.

I think Root will probably go after this series, but you're quite right about the lack of alternatives. Burns would have been the other guy, long term county captain, but they've just dropped him.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 27, 2021, 08:57:14
Well that went well!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 27, 2021, 08:58:34
it certainly went quickly


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Monday, December 27, 2021, 16:12:33
England captains traditionally resign when their batting drops off or when they've fallen out with everyone. Actual tactical acumen is considered optional, which is really odd when you consider how much Brearley is deified.

I think Root will probably go after this series, but you're quite right about the lack of alternatives. Burns would have been the other guy, long term county captain, but they've just dropped him.

Iím very bored and so have crunched some numbers. The following is the batting average of our last few long term captains in their final ten tests as captain, their career batting averages and the results of those last ten tests:

Joe Root (not including the current test)-90.7 (😲)/50 LLLWLDLDLL

Alastair Cook-51.6/45.4 WWLWWWLDLL

Andrew Strauss-67.2/40.9 LDLDWWWLLL

Michael Vaughan-38.8/41.4 LLDWWDWLD

Nasser Hussain-61.6/37.2 WDWWWLWWWL

Michael Atherton-44.8/37.7 LWLLLLWWWL

Interestingly all those listed above, with the exception of Vaughan, batted above their career averages in their final ten tests. The other glaring fact is that Root is batting at a phenomenal average and yet this has seemingly no effect on the performance of the team. He has to drop the captaincy and give somebody else a go.



Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 27, 2021, 20:12:31
Iím very bored and so have crunched some numbers. The following is the batting average of our last few long term captains in their final ten tests as captain, their career batting averages and the results of those last ten tests:

Joe Root (not including the current test)-90.7 (😲)/50 LLLWLDLDLL

Alastair Cook-51.6/45.4 WWLWWWLDLL

Andrew Strauss-67.2/40.9 LDLDWWWLLL

Michael Vaughan-38.8/41.4 LLDWWDWLD

Nasser Hussain-61.6/37.2 WDWWWLWWWL

Michael Atherton-44.8/37.7 LWLLLLWWWL

Interestingly all those listed above, with the exception of Vaughan, batted above their career averages in their final ten tests. The other glaring fact is that Root is batting at a phenomenal average and yet this has seemingly no effect on the performance of the team. He has to drop the captaincy and give somebody else a go.


The problem is that we don't have any players good enough for test cricket let alone test captaincy!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Monday, December 27, 2021, 20:16:39
The problem is that we don't have any players good enough for test cricket let alone test captaincy!


It really is a shambles. Iíve no idea whoís to blame but it seems certain that weíll continue to be poor for a very, very long time


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 27, 2021, 22:58:47
English cricket has always seemed to have suffered from a class structure issue. If you played the game with a certain upper lip / higher class attitude you would be OK with selection and the governing body
This type of"don't rock the boat" we will support you  Woke attitude does not work in Australia especially where sport is involved.
Sport has winners and losers..Australia, and especially when playing in Australia are winners. England as shown are generally losers.
Real shame when Stokes Woods and Root  must not forget Jimmy Anderson were really showing total commitment.
Yesterday sitting in a pub in Auckland watching the Aussie tail wagging thinking this can't get worse
But wait it did 30 odd for 4
Fuck I hate the Ashes series.
COYMRs


 





Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, December 27, 2021, 23:28:02
Fuck I hate the Ashes series.

Only when they are in Australia, over here they are brilliant because either team can win


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 27, 2021, 23:42:59
Possibly you are right Posh.
Living in New Zealand, New Zealanders have a saying they support NZ and any team playing Australia
Great saying especially in the early 2000's when Jonny Wilkinson won the World cup in Australia for England.
COYMRs


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 00:14:50
Terrible decision by the umpire against Bairstow

Should have been given not out with the Aussies needing to review.

Mind you, silly sod should have hit it. Get the bat coming down straight and you have more chance.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 00:24:00
Abysmal shot by Root. No foot movement.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 00:30:37
Wood. Well done fella! One more duck to tie the record in a year!

32 year old debutant with a 5 for!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 00:33:14
Robinson equals the record for England!

Boland has bowled 21 balls and got 6 wickets!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 00:41:01
Joked with my son it would be finished by 1am - We only managed 12:50am!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 01:56:04
Utterly embarrassing. They should be ashamed of themselves


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 04:46:40
What a load of crap England are
No pride or skill just over paid and over here.
No bottle and bet Ray Illingworth would be totally embarrassed should he be watching down right now
COYMRs


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 07:54:04
Went to bed at midnight or so thinking we'd take it to tea at least. What the fuck.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 10:08:36
After Stokes went early I jokingly asked whether Australia would need to bat again?

Was only mildly surprised when I looked this morning to see that they didnít.

Take England away from conditions that suit them and put them up against any decent opponents and they will let themselves down.

To get an idea of how bad England have been in recent times in Australia, Joe Root has never been in a team that has won a test match in Australia?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 10:42:58
A number of old fogeys blaming the one day game for our batting ills.

Don't the likes of NZ, Aus and India also play it?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 11:15:21
A number of old fogeys blaming the one day game for our batting ills.

Don't the likes of NZ, Aus and India also play it?
I think us old fogey's are blaming the 'de-prioritisation' of the longer version of the game on England's lack of ability to bat long.

We have very few batsmen who seem to have the ability to bat for a whole session, a whole day or score a big hundred.

The assertion is being made that its possibly because there is so much focus now on the shorter form of the game and scoring runs quick rather than having players who can bat long.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 11:20:17
There's a lot of people lashing out at the moment, as you'd expect in the immediate aftermath. The difficult truth is that it's probably a lot of contributing factors, and people exaggerate/ignore them depending on their own personal beliefs (so basically politics all over again).

Is red ball cricket a bit of an afterthought at county level? Absolutely
Is the amount of talent we have spread too thinly across teams? Absolutely
Does the scheduling mean that we don't encourage fast bowling or spin? Sure
Was the scheduling of this tour straight after the t20 world cup dreadful? Yes
Did the rain during what little preparation there was set us up to fail? Yes
Is Root a good tactical captain? Probably not
Are most of these players the match of their Aussie counterparts? Definitely not
Is playing away generally very hard in cricket at the moment with bubbles and quarantine? Certainly
Have we fielded dreadfully? Yep
Does Silverwood look overpromoted? He does

I mean, pick your own choice of reasons. There's a lot to it. I'm sure the ECB will have a review to pick their own favourite reasons.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 11:52:01
I think us old fogey's are blaming the 'de-prioritisation' of the longer version of the game on England's lack of ability to bat long.

We have very few batsmen who seem to have the ability to bat for a whole session, a whole day or score a big hundred.

The assertion is being made that its possibly because there is so much focus now on the shorter form of the game and scoring runs quick rather than having players who can bat long.

That is undoubtedly true but they have picked some players with no pedigree at all.   Hameed's highest score in county cricket, where he averages just 32, is only 120.

There was a time when Hick, ramprakash, moeen etc weren't being picked with averages of 60+.   I think Mo didn't get picket until he scored 1,500 runs 2 seasons on the trot and then it was because he bowled a bit.

One issue for me is the focus on Surrey and Yorkshire.  The disproportionate number of players that come from those teams is ridiculous.  A Surrey youngster will be thrown in with half a good season but one from Worcs or Glamorgan has to wait till they are 27 and scored 10,000 runs.  But by then they have picked up a load of bad habits and can't adapt to new conditions.



Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:04:38
There's a lot of people lashing out at the moment, as you'd expect in the immediate aftermath. The difficult truth is that it's probably a lot of contributing factors, and people exaggerate/ignore them depending on their own personal beliefs (so basically politics all over again).

Is red ball cricket a bit of an afterthought at county level? Absolutely
Is the amount of talent we have spread too thinly across teams? Absolutely
Does the scheduling mean that we don't encourage fast bowling or spin? Sure
Was the scheduling of this tour straight after the t20 world cup dreadful? Yes
Did the rain during what little preparation there was set us up to fail? Yes
Is Root a good tactical captain? Probably not
Are most of these players the match of their Aussie counterparts? Definitely not
Is playing away generally very hard in cricket at the moment with bubbles and quarantine? Certainly
Have we fielded dreadfully? Yep
Does Silverwood look overpromoted? He does

I mean, pick your own choice of reasons. There's a lot to it. I'm sure the ECB will have a review to pick their own favourite reasons.
Liked that - Sat here applauding that post!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:11:09
That is undoubtedly true but they have picked some players with no pedigree at all.   Hameed's highest score in county cricket, where he averages just 32, is only 120.

There was a time when Hick, ramprakash, moeen etc weren't being picked with averages of 60+.   I think Mo didn't get picket until he scored 1,500 runs 2 seasons on the trot and then it was because he bowled a bit.

One issue for me is the focus on Surrey and Yorkshire.  The disproportionate number of players that come from those teams is ridiculous.  A Surrey youngster will be thrown in with half a good season but one from Worcs or Glamorgan has to wait till they are 27 and scored 10,000 runs.  But by then they have picked up a load of bad habits and can't adapt to new conditions.


You are probably right about the bias - I wonder though whether money has a lot to do with it. Have all the best cricketers gone to the likes of and Surrey, Middlesex, Yorks because they have paid the best?

I guess its historically been difficult to get into England football team if you play for an unfashionable club. Closest to home for us has got to have been the question about why Charlie Austin never made it as an England international?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 14:21:42
Donít forget Shearer & Calderwood who were both called up by Scotland almost immediately after leaving for Blackburn/Aberdeen & Spurs.

This at a time when we were a tier 2 team


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 16:06:48
I think us old fogey's are blaming the 'de-prioritisation' of the longer version of the game on England's lack of ability to bat long.

We have very few batsmen who seem to have the ability to bat for a whole session, a whole day or score a big hundred.

The assertion is being made that its possibly because there is so much focus now on the shorter form of the game and scoring runs quick rather than having players who can bat long.
As an old fogey, I concur with the general assertion.

My question is why do the likes of NZ, Aus and India seem so less "afflicted"?  I doubt Aggers and Co would have been raising the question had Eng. just trounced Aus with similar scores reversed.

The new God isn't limited overs cricket, it's money and you just reach a point in life where you have to accept your views have become irrelevant.

I wasn't overly excited by this series beforehand.  It was fuck off Pakistan and let's milk the Ashes cash cow.  Again. Most other test cricket has become irrelevant.  It just doesn't pay anyone to be the best test team or put in the slog of some tougher tours that can mould an emerging test side into a great one.

And now it's being proposed to have the Football World Cup every two years.  Please, let's keep SOME things special.




Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 17:28:14
Is it because conditions in England favour 'dibbly dobbler' bowlers?

So when our batsmen go to Australia or the West Indies they think 'Fuck me that was quick!'

Then when they get to the sub continent they think 'Fuck me that turned!'

That then results in overseas bowlers coming to England. Our batsmen then think 'Fuck me!'


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 20:18:51
Nomoreheros... Spot on😄


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 20:47:08
Wood is quicker than any of their bowlers, it's not just pure pace.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 21:03:05
Wood is quicker than any of their bowlers, it's not just pure pace.
True. But he doesn't bowl stump to stump and doesn't often get the ball to nip around.

Boland is in the Alderman/McGrath mode.
Starc in the Mitchell Johnson mode
Cummings just a decent quick bowler



Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 21:18:30
True. But he doesn't bowl stump to stump and doesn't often get the ball to nip around.

Boland is in the Alderman/McGrath mode.
Starc in the Mitchell Johnson mode
Cummings just a decent quick bowler



There is Mediocraty in the county system but it has always produced top class bowlers.   Anderson and Broad to name just 2.  However it very rarely produces a decent spinner and almost never a wrist spinner.

The issue is not the bowling but the batting.   County scores are low, particularly when played in may and September, there's just not enough time at the crease.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Thursday, January 6, 2022, 09:13:22
England 12* after Crawley survives only because of a no ball. What a batting performance by England thus farÖrelatively speaking


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 6, 2022, 09:20:12
The way things were going towards the end here 400+ is an innings win score.

I see Khawaja was dropped off Leach 100 runs short of where he ended. Poor fucker, Leach, it's just not really happening for him this series and I'm not convinced it's his fault.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 7, 2022, 02:40:40
It's as if we sent a team of Village Fucking Idiots to face up to the Windies 80's bowling attack.  This lot are a National embarrassment, which in the long run may be the only small crumb that can be rtaken from this series.  If they had shown a bit of fight, got a bit closer in some games, then the powers that be and the team could have argued about "but for a bit of luck", "tried hard in tough conditions" etc.

As it is, they are a fucking disgrace, but only a symptom of the issues facing England at Test level.  It's been coming a while, which leads me to another gripe while sitting through this....

The in studio team BT Sport put together is just as fucking bad.  What is the point of asking a current international team mate (even if in the white ball game) or even recent retiree to provide "insight"  Ali is a puppet sat on a sofa, one without anyone hand up his arse to provide any sort of entertainment as Sooty and Sweep surely would have mustered.

Worse though is Cook.  It's like someone plonked a cardboard cutout on the sofa to provide analysis.  Don't get me wrong, great player and clearly has some thoughts on the technique side, but no appetite to provide any sort of critical analysis whatsoever.  "The Aussies have bowled well".  It's fucking Test cricket you plonk, they aren't going to chuck some underarms balls down the wicket for us.  To be honest, the current state of affairs, I think, goes back to him as Captain.  I can't believe his captaincy (after listening to him here) provided anything of value to any player, and probably relied on his ability with the bat to motivate.  He seems even more dull than I expected, defensive as hell (tactically) and has helped sew the seeds of what we no have at Test level.  A team full of nobodies, maybe Broad being the only one with a personality and a bit of bite in him.  It's a sad state of affairs that we revere Stokes when he is little more than average at Test level, relying on his undoubted brilliance in the short form.

I applaud the job we did in turning around our short form performances, but we've sacrificed Test cricket at the alter to do it, it would seem.

ECB should refund the fans tickets and air fares and bring them home early, abandon the series.  Or send out 11 fans and show the cricketing world just how seriously they have taken it.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, January 7, 2022, 06:54:38
At least wood - who shouldn't be batting at 8 in any form of cricket - is showing a bit of fight.  Scored more than the top 4 managed and will be going past the openers' totals for the series soon.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, January 7, 2022, 07:19:43
100 for Bairstow. Well done that man.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, January 7, 2022, 07:33:52
Absolutely - 100 in a series is good in this team to do it in one innings with backs to the wall is a great effort.

Just seen that in 2021 Crawley had 16 innings and scored just 173 runs.

Why was he even on the tour?  

There just doesn't seem to be anyone removed from the team tapping the coach on the shoulder and saying "I know you've invested alot into him and he's a great lad to have around but he's utter dogshite!  I saw this bloke playing at Gloucester who looks worth a punt"


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 7, 2022, 08:36:31
He was picked originally because he went to Ed Smith's school, and then made that beautiful 273 against Pakistan which has basically guaranteed him a career.

Robt, I must say your overnight rant was a joy to read, especially knowing England showed a bit of fight after! I would say on Ali/Cook though, that if you haven't seen the clip of Ali criticising Cook's captaincy whilst sat next to him, you should seek it out. Glorious stuff.

Fair play to Bairstow and Stokes and Wood for showing some fight. And I see Stokes was bowled and the bails didn't fall off, which does at least provide some comedy.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Moss on Friday, January 7, 2022, 09:40:36
It's as if we sent a team of Village Fucking Idiots to face up to the Windies 80's bowling attack.  This lot are a National embarrassment, which in the long run may be the only small crumb that can be rtaken from this series.  If they had shown a bit of fight, got a bit closer in some games, then the powers that be and the team could have argued about "but for a bit of luck", "tried hard in tough conditions" etc.

As it is, they are a fucking disgrace, but only a symptom of the issues facing England at Test level.  It's been coming a while, which leads me to another gripe while sitting through this....

The in studio team BT Sport put together is just as fucking bad.  What is the point of asking a current international team mate (even if in the white ball game) or even recent retiree to provide "insight"  Ali is a puppet sat on a sofa, one without anyone hand up his arse to provide any sort of entertainment as Sooty and Sweep surely would have mustered.

Worse though is Cook.  It's like someone plonked a cardboard cutout on the sofa to provide analysis.  Don't get me wrong, great player and clearly has some thoughts on the technique side, but no appetite to provide any sort of critical analysis whatsoever.  "The Aussies have bowled well".  It's fucking Test cricket you plonk, they aren't going to chuck some underarms balls down the wicket for us.  To be honest, the current state of affairs, I think, goes back to him as Captain.  I can't believe his captaincy (after listening to him here) provided anything of value to any player, and probably relied on his ability with the bat to motivate.  He seems even more dull than I expected, defensive as hell (tactically) and has helped sew the seeds of what we no have at Test level.  A team full of nobodies, maybe Broad being the only one with a personality and a bit of bite in him.  It's a sad state of affairs that we revere Stokes when he is little more than average at Test level, relying on his undoubted brilliance in the short form.

I applaud the job we did in turning around our short form performances, but we've sacrificed Test cricket at the alter to do it, it would seem.

ECB should refund the fans tickets and air fares and bring them home early, abandon the series.  Or send out 11 fans and show the cricketing world just how seriously they have taken it.

Sorry that is a bit harsh. No prep, locked in bubbles, Covid in the camp, no warm up games. Jimmy Anderson or Mark Wood no personality? Stokes little more than average Test player?  I'm as disappointed as anyone (can't believe how much sleep I've given up for such a load of toss) and there is a serious problem with preparing English players with the skills to compete at Test level but I think you are being a bit hysterical.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 7, 2022, 12:28:21
Let me know what Stokes' Test averages for both batting and bowling are again?  Other than Root there isn't a test quality batsman in our squad or even near it and because of that, like Cook before him, he ends up as default captain, a job for which he is clearly not suited.

Anderson is a star quality bowler, he doesn't imprint his personality on a game.  I'm not talking about how he talks off the pitch either.  I'm talking in a cricketing sense.  Broad has something, although it's more often displayed against his fellow team mates.  I'm not having much of a pop at the bowlers though, although Leach is a problem.  They've not bowled the right length often enough, but given they all seem to do it I have to assume it comes from coaching and how we prepare.

Covid is an excuse that is fair enough, but both teams have been impacted, Australia to the point of having players needing to drop out.  The prep is our own fault to degree and goes back to my major criticism which is the way we have approached Test cricket for the past 10 years or so.  You'll note I called the team a symptom, not the cause.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 7, 2022, 12:44:26
Last four years (2018-present), Stokes averages in tests, not elite on the world stage but better than anyone else we have, ignoring the fact he bowls a bit and is a good fielder. Fwiw, since 2018

Root 46.17
Stokes 37.01
Buttler 32.49
Foakes 31.53
Burns 30.92
Pope 29.79
Denly 29.53
Sibley 28.94
Lawrence 27.23
Crawley 26.62
Malan 25.23
Roy 18.70
Hameed 17.58

It's a sorry old mess.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 7, 2022, 12:56:46
In the 1990-1999 period, when we were shit and before the introduction of Central Contracts (which did have a positive impact on test cricket in this country for a period), 8 batsmen had an average of 34 or higher who played at least 20 Tests in that period.  Hick with 34 being the lowest, someone who never really achieved anything much of note in Test cricket.

Stokes with 37 is OK, average for a Test top 6 batsman, nothing more.  He is a different beast in the shorter forms of the game, of that there is no doubt.  That's the problem, the past ten years have created players who are only much kop at the money spinning versions.  Stokes would be the 8th best batsman of the 90's for us!!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Friday, January 7, 2022, 13:36:12
Without Archer and Stone, and with a ropey batting line up, a star all rounder who comes into the series without any cricket for 4 months and off the  back of mental health problems this was always going to be a hill to steep but I did hope for a more competitive series as I still don't think Australia are that good.

Sam Billings has been called up with injury concerns over YJB and Buttler so I expect he will play in 5th Test which is harsh on Ben Foakes. 

I think the squad for the 3 tests in WI in March will make really interesting reading.

Will they take both Broad and Anderson?
I would expect Saqib Mahmood to debut. I think Archer is out until the summer and if I'm honest I think his test cricket days are done but will Oliver Stone be available?
Would mind seeing Brydon Carse given a go/
I would like them to invest properly in a Mason Crane or Matt Parkinson.
I like the opener at Warks (Yates I think)
Bohannon from Lancs has been getting good wrap and was part of the Lions squad.
Will they persist with any of a Crawley/Hameed/Burns?  Will Sibley get called up again?

A lot of questions for me ...

Also Root as captain.  As Stokes is the only one people will call a viable option but I dont think he is I'd like to see Root carry on, but with a new coach.  Kirsten or Jayawardene for me.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, January 7, 2022, 15:12:42
Time to rebuild the batting, bowling and keeping.

We have another Jack Russell issue. Foakes is the best natural keeper in the country but they dont think he can bat well enough. So, we have tried to convert Bairstow and Buttler into a keeper. Bracey is also in the wings but his nervous debut showed he is a way off as either a test keeper or batsman.

We have to address the fact that our two best bowlers are past their best and reaching the end of the line. Time to let Anderson and Broad move into media careers. Their replacements aren't ready but need to develop quickly. I know Broad got 5 wickets in the 1st innings of this test, but a few years ago he wouldnt have conceeded 100 runs to do so. He's just a couple of mph too slow now. Anderson is the same, but when you start off as one of the all time greats, the decline takes a while to properly kick in.

All rounders. I think Stokes and Bairstow are the only two good enough in this category.

We should persist with Root and Malan. They are the only players capable of batting long, but even then I have doubts over Malan. I fear that all of the other batsmen that England have flirted with are 'dashers'. They have achieved their averages by being flat track bullies or being able to score a quick 50 and get out. You need 3-4 players capable of batting for more than a day once a series to be a good test team.

Of the other batsmen, I fear they are either 20-50 over specialists or technically flawed. Hameed has regressed significantly since debut. Burns is inconsistent and has terrible technique. Crawley is a bowling machine batsman. Sibley a technically flawed crab. Bairstow a lower order bottom handed swisher. Buttler a 20 over player. Pope is the interesting one - Good technique, but either can't read spin or is mentally shot. (I think he is worth persisting with). Billings is a bottom handed one day lower order average wicket keeper.

In conclusion, I see the problems, but not necessarily the answers!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 10:02:47
Better day for Leach today, shows what a spinner can do when the game actually gets to the fourth day, which hasn't exactly been often in recent times. He's not Swann by any means, and is a better attacking bowler than he is a defensive one, but he's the best we have.

Not really worth complaining about captaincy again, but that's two innings in a row where Khawaja has been within one shot of a hundred and we've bought on Dawid Malan's filthy leggies. At least put some pressure on him, for goodness sakes.

Must say this test has been broadly in line with my expectation for the series - Aus a better team, but not by an embarrassing margin and moments for England. It's just that the first few tests were so wildly in Aus' favour that it's painful.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 11:11:36
I watched until lunch - Thought we went too defensive too quickly. Got a couple of wickets despite doing so though. Pope looked a better keeper than Buttler and Bairstow! Not sure what I hope for. Would 30-40 runs each for the openers be a good thing or a bad one?  Would a rain influence draw paper over the cracks?

Another low score for Hameed and not outs from Root and Malan would be the best we could hope for.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 11:54:38
We didn't lose!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: adje on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 12:24:47
Root "proud"


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 14:27:44
We didn't lose!

A half decent batting performance in both innings and a bit of rain.

At least they showed some fight, just a shame itís taken so long.

I wouldnít mind us losing so much if we at least made a game of it


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 15:41:55
Watched until lunch again - The pitch wasn't doing anything. Hameed was dropped a couple of overs before he played the same shot to let Carey make amends. Technical flaw in his batting. Would imagine he's shot.

Crawley looked good. Likes the ball on his legs. But, doesn't move his feet and susceptible to one on the stump going through bat and pad or outside the off. I think of him as a good bowling machine batter.

Malan didn't move his feet either. Ridiculous. Root and Stokes looked in no trouble.

Need to send Stokes home with Buttler. Get them both fixed. Not sure how bad Bairstow's injury is. But, nothing to play for here, so send him home to if it will help in the long run.

Can see us playing a Lions team in the next match, which aint a bad thing.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 16:23:40
Oh I think Stokes is probably going to be sent home, they'll just be waiting for scan results before making that final decision. Stephen Finn suggested on the radio that sometimes you can't do a reliable scan until a couple of days after the game.

Think you're right on most of the technical stuff. Crawley *looks* a player, no doubt at all, worth investing time in but setting up on off means he's going to get pinned lbw occasionally. His technique suits Australian/SA wickets I think, I'm not sure he's going to be piling on the runs at home all that often. Hopefully he's smart enough to adjust.

Hameed just wasn't ready - he struggles against high pace in the Championship so this tour always felt a really tough ask. As you say, caught between playing forward and back repeatedly and kept getting the edge.

Lions wise, we can only really play who is in the country - which means the batting has to be Pope, Lawrence and Billings taking the gloves, unless you fancy doing something really funky like Burns in the middle order.

Bairstow had an excellent test and fair play to him for that, but I think we can get a bit carried away about one good performance - he's been pretty much useless for four years before this. Gets himself another chance if fit though.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 19:24:41
Oh I think Stokes is probably going to be sent home, they'll just be waiting for scan results before making that final decision. Stephen Finn suggested on the radio that sometimes you can't do a reliable scan until a couple of days after the game.

Think you're right on most of the technical stuff. Crawley *looks* a player, no doubt at all, worth investing time in but setting up on off means he's going to get pinned lbw occasionally. His technique suits Australian/SA wickets I think, I'm not sure he's going to be piling on the runs at home all that often. Hopefully he's smart enough to adjust.

Hameed just wasn't ready - he struggles against high pace in the Championship so this tour always felt a really tough ask. As you say, caught between playing forward and back repeatedly and kept getting the edge.

Lions wise, we can only really play who is in the country - which means the batting has to be Pope, Lawrence and Billings taking the gloves, unless you fancy doing something really funky like Burns in the middle order.

Bairstow had an excellent test and fair play to him for that, but I think we can get a bit carried away about one good performance - he's been pretty much useless for four years before this. Gets himself another chance if fit though.
Bairstow has been inconsistent. Too much bottom hand - A swisher. More of a batsman than his father but less of a wicket keeper!

Again, the problem with England is we have a team full of 'all rounders'. They can mostly all do a bit of everything, but many of them can't do one thing well.

Of what's out there, I'd be inclined to go for:

1. Burns
2. Crawley
3. Malan
4. Root
5. Pope
6. Lawrence
7. Billings 
8. Woakes
9. Overton
10. Robinson
11. Wood

You could argue Anderson & Broad for Overton and Woakes to enable them to say farewell to the Aussies. But, given there is nothing to play for, you might as well give the others a go. (Woakes might be injured)


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, January 14, 2022, 05:17:16
Well, here we are showing some promise again. Let's bowl them out cheaply, then we'll probably be knocked over for less than 50 runs.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 14, 2022, 06:30:30
Never seen such a green pitch. 150 would be a good score.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 14, 2022, 07:43:36
I didn't see the first session but seems it's settled down a little now. Pitch does look very green, but then so do many in NZ and those usually get big scores on them.

Either way, better conditions for England but Robinson seems to be injured and Wood getting whacked, so Root bowling already.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, January 14, 2022, 08:18:02
Never seen such a green pitch. 150 would be a good score.
So 179-4 with Robinson looking unable to bowl doesn't look so good!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 14, 2022, 08:29:52
With Travis Head playing like a prime De Villiers.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, January 14, 2022, 08:37:53
It was all looking good for the first hour, now the pitch has settled down a bit.

Labuschagne's dismissal was marvellous though.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, January 14, 2022, 08:43:01
It was all looking good for the first hour, now the pitch has settled down a bit.

Labuschagne's dismissal was marvellous though.
Village cricket at its best!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, January 14, 2022, 08:56:59
I'm not convinced he actually stumbled, I think the fall was to try and cover his blushes by making it look like he was off balance.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, January 14, 2022, 08:58:51
With Travis Head playing like a prime De Villiers.

Heís gone, phew.

Looks like the Aussies are still managing a good score though. Run through them now and we might just be able to take a slender lead into the Oz second innings.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, January 14, 2022, 08:59:19
I'm not convinced he actually stumbled, I think the fall was to try and cover his blushes by making it look like he was off balance.

Looked like a genuine fall to me


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, January 14, 2022, 09:00:43
Reading on the bbc sounds like Sam Billings is having the time of his life! This is good to hear, a bit of positivity and some chatter


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 14, 2022, 09:12:46
I'm not convinced he actually stumbled, I think the fall was to try and cover his blushes by making it look like he was off balance.

I think it was a legitimate stumble but as a second movement, trying to turn round to see what had happened long after the ball had passed him and hit the stumps - the intial movement was just way too far across the stumps, like trying to flick down leg except the ball wasn't leg side enough and he went too far.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Friday, January 14, 2022, 14:00:42
I'm not convinced he actually stumbled, I think the fall was to try and cover his blushes by making it look like he was off balance.

Just saw it from another angle and he hit his leg with his bat as he brought it down, made it look even more genuine


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Saturday, January 15, 2022, 08:42:48
England collapse as predictably as night follows day


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Saturday, January 15, 2022, 09:55:02
This is just not good enough. These are professional sportsmen who have shown an abject inability to properly play the sport they are paid to play. Itís easy to get vitriolic as a supporter of this England team but I think itís deserved. Joe Root makes what Iím sure he thinks are the right noises whenever we get whooped but itís getting tired now. Time after time there is literally no improvement. He should step down regardless of whether thereís an obvious successor, England are better off taking a shot in the dark rather than persisting with him as captain. Is there somebody who could come in as a specialist captain? Somebody who can at least organise and motivate this shambles? Thatís a question for you Nemo, you know your stuff.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, January 15, 2022, 11:06:30
Jesu Christi that ball from Wood to get Khawaja was a beauty.

As for captains, I don't know really. The experienced county captains around the squad or Lions would be Burns, Billings, Abell, Rhodes and Vince, but I don't know that any of them are tactical wizards. To a point I think captaincy is a bit overrated, there are very few good captains of bad teams - Brearley and Stephen Fleming, maybe Jason Holder are the only candidates I can think of.

Eoin Morgan is the only obviously excellent captain in England and he's not a test match option.

The problem is there aren't obvious players to come in. The current players are the best we have, more or less, and we need them to get better. I'd be looking at coaching as the main area we can improve. Also preparation - India A play twice as much cricket as the England Lions do and shockingly enough, their players debut and look ready. Ours look out of their depth.



Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, January 15, 2022, 11:14:32
Jesu Christi that ball from Wood to get Khawaja was a beauty.

As for captains, I don't know really. The experienced county captains around the squad or Lions would be Burns, Billings, Abell, Rhodes and Vince, but I don't know that any of them are tactical wizards. To a point I think captaincy is a bit overrated, there are very few good captains of bad teams - Brearley and Stephen Fleming, maybe Jason Holder are the only candidates I can think of.

Eoin Morgan is the only obviously excellent captain in England and he's not a test match option.

The problem is there aren't obvious players to come in. The current players are the best we have, more or less, and we need them to get better. I'd be looking at coaching as the main area we can improve. Also preparation - India A play twice as much cricket as the England Lions do and shockingly enough, their players debut and look ready. Ours look out of their depth.


Agree with that - snorter from Wood!

The batsmen are ALL technically flawed - some more so than others.

Root is a good Test batsman. I think Pope can be saved. Crawley has the same issues as Hick. Malan, I'm starting to worry about. The others are middle order bashers.

Adding one player who could bat long would change the dynamics of the side immensely.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, January 15, 2022, 12:19:39
It doesnít matter who the captain is when you are consistently bowled out for 200 or less, especially when the opposition are regularly scoring 400+

But this isnít a new problem, we havenít won a test down under for 10 years, in fact itís something like 12-0 with 2 draws in the last 3 tours.

It coincides with a pretty good time at white ball cricket for England, so clearly thatís where the focus has been.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, January 15, 2022, 14:25:39
Yes, its not because of guile, its because our batsmen can't score runs or occupy the crease and our bowlers look threatening in short spells but often fail to capitalise on good starts.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 08:20:13
Hello  :o


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 08:22:44
Have we scored as many as 271 at all on this tour?


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 08:51:44
Purple patch for Mr Wood. Two wickets on no balls too (Broad and Woakes).

Mr Burns disappointingly out just before tea.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 09:18:44
And there goes Malan.....and Crawley


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 09:46:22
....and Stokes!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:07:06
That ball to Root sums up England's series. Utterly unplayable.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:09:23
Poor Root - Breaks his favourite bat then gets a grubber!

The end is nigh.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:31:06
Seven for 39 since the opening partnership was broken.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:31:57
Was just going to post about Billings technical flaw(all bottom hand) being exposed in his wicket when Pope walked around his stumps and lost his!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:32:51
What a shambles


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:38:04
Just seen on Twitter that Dawid Malan's first child was born this morning six weeks early and on the other side of the world. Can probably forgive him being a bit distracted today.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:42:18
OMG! Never a good sign when you pull a ball onto your leg stump!


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:43:28
I know it doesn't matter in the slightest bit Jesus Robinson couldn't have gone further towards leg if he'd taken guard next to the umpire.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:43:36
At least it's over.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:44:36
And Ollie Robinson sums it up. Run away to leg side and let a full toss hit middle


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: swindon74 on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 11:07:03
What a pathetic series that was! Iím sure itís been said before, but will all the money being pumped into 20/20 and this shit 100 format of the game, has just left test cricket to rot in the shadows. Where do we even go from here? I hope some sackings are made and a restructure of the county championship. For me test cricket is my favourite format, it would be nice to see us compete again.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 11:13:39
Aus just won the world T20, focusing on white ball cricket doesn't seem to have caused them much difficulty.

Huge amount of things that could be improved. Not sure if I'd trust the ECB to do any of them.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 11:22:04
England will go to the West Indies and probably be competitive and it will paper over the cracks of this shambles.

They then play at home series against New Zealand & India (any results possible) but will probably be ok.

Then will depend on how South Africa are by next winter.

The upshot is that nothing will change in the short term.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 14:09:19
What a pathetic series that was! Iím sure itís been said before, but will all the money being pumped into 20/20 and this shit 100 format of the game, has just left test cricket to rot in the shadows. Where do we even go from here? I hope some sackings are made and a restructure of the county championship. For me test cricket is my favourite format, it would be nice to see us compete again.

Limited overs is fun and all, but like you I love watching test cricket. When you can predict with such consistent accuracy that England are about to capitulate itís depressing. Seriously needs to be addressed. I donít want to watch that drivel and itís upsetting


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, January 16, 2022, 19:31:38
I think we should be patient before reaching conclusions.

It's rumoured that Sue Gray will be reporting that England has drawn the series.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 20, 2022, 07:57:00
Women's Ashes starts today. I'm rather looking forward to it, mostly because there's at least some chance of a contest.

Edit: England 106/1, do not adjust your TV sets.


Title: Re: Cricket
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, January 20, 2022, 23:00:50
Women's Ashes starts today. I'm rather looking forward to it, mostly because there's at least some chance of a contest.

Edit: England 106/1, do not adjust your TV sets.

Made more of a game of it than the men, but still lost by 9 wickets