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« Reply #360 on: Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:46:18 »

Just a quickie, was quite the cricket fan in the 80's and early 90's but drifted away after that.

From looking at it from the periphery, there seem to be loads of tests not lasting 5 days nowadays, is this just that England are crap, or is it that pitches are favouring bowlers much more than they used to, or just bowling is generally better?

Bit of a few things I think.

Scoring rates are higher so the game moves on faster - lots of the 'blame' for this gets given to T20 but Ponting's all conquering Aussies really started it.

Bowling is definitely better - not neccessarily the very best bowlers but the general standard.

Stats/data analysis has played a big role - batters with technical flaws or weaknesses get caught out very quickly now as people have access to videos of every dismissal they ever have. Before you used to see a batter maybe once every few years when they'd tour England, and couldn't do that much prep for newer players.

For one reason or another, a lot of the best teams in the world at the moment are stronger bowling units than batting - certainly Eng, SA, NZ and Aus. Maybe India and Pakistan have a case for being reasonably even.
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« Reply #361 on: Monday, June 6, 2022, 10:08:14 »

As you say it was Australia that changed the game to be more aggressive and score runs quickly to try and make sure that a result was possible.

None the less the pitches have also been a factor, look at the West Indies in the winter, lifeless flat pitches and two fairly dull test matches.
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« Reply #362 on: Monday, June 6, 2022, 11:55:56 »

Test cricket is better when the bowlers have the edge.

Nobody wants to see teams declaring on 550 runs and a draw being inevitable.

The way the game vs NZ swung back and forth is exactly how it should be.

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« Reply #363 on: Saturday, June 11, 2022, 15:48:57 »

Nobody wants to see teams declaring on 550 runs and a draw being inevitable.

Being bowled out on 553 isn't ideal either... think I'd take a draw from here.

Root dropping Mitchell ended up costing 187. He's about the only England bat who might actually make that back though...
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« Reply #364 on: Sunday, June 12, 2022, 12:47:18 »

Pope 100. Fair play.

When the other team scores 550 though, it makes it hard for me to get excited. Are people getting high scores because they're actually good at cricket or just because the pitch is dead? I'm going to guess the latter.
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« Reply #365 on: Sunday, June 12, 2022, 13:12:20 »

Pope 100. Fair play.

When the other team scores 550 though, it makes it hard for me to get excited. Are people getting high scores because they're actually good at cricket or just because the pitch is dead? I'm going to guess the latter.

You might be right, but we’ve managed to get bowled out and lose games in those circumstances before
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« Reply #366 on: Sunday, June 12, 2022, 13:47:33 »

Pope 100. Fair play.

When the other team scores 550 though, it makes it hard for me to get excited. Are people getting high scores because they're actually good at cricket or just because the pitch is dead? I'm going to guess the latter.

Both sides have dropped a lot of chances, I think the pitch is decent for batting but it's really not a road. Some good batting but mostly poor fielding. The key thing for the scores is that the outfield is absolutely lightning - as seen in the scoring rates in both innings. Been up near 4 both innings, if that's nearer 4 we probably see 450 or so playing 200/2 and consider this to be nicely poised.
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« Reply #367 on: Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 13:51:48 »

200 to win in about four hours, Stokes and Bairstow in. This is going to be a lot of fun if we make it...
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« Reply #368 on: Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 14:09:12 »

200 to win in about four hours, Stokes and Bairstow in. This is going to be a lot of fun if we make it...
Can't see it. Having to take a lot of risks already.
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« Reply #369 on: Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 15:09:20 »

Um.  Bairstow is making it look possible.
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« Reply #370 on: Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 15:14:14 »

120 runs in 14.4 overs.

Told you it'd be fun!
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« Reply #371 on: Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 15:25:37 »

2nd fastest 100 from an Englishman.

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« Reply #372 on: Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 15:27:13 »

2nd fastest 100 from an Englishman.

Absolutely remarkable that the one faster innings was in 1902. 1902!
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« Reply #373 on: Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 15:32:25 »

Should be in the bag this. Enough time, just need to not drop wickets.
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« Reply #374 on: Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 15:38:38 »

Without trying to jinx anything. What is the record for most amount of runs scored in a 1st innings to then lose the test? 553 is a colossal first innings to then lose.
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