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Swindon 2 Harrogate 1 official att: 7,855 (78 Sulphurites)

I've gone for a 2-0 win in the prediction league, feeling more confident after Tuesday.

Imagine the pitch will be in poor condition with more rain forecast today and tomorrow.

3-0. Our defence is improving. Hoping Harrogate become the newest worst team in the league

Be disappointed not to win this. A 7 point week would be good - especially with being away to Mansfield next Saturday.

I'm probably going, so 1-3.

This will be your last game for a while though I assume?  ;)

toys back in the pram for now.

Is that 1-3 pints?

It's a new dawn, a new day.  :smugfu:

We have some reasonably winnable games in the run in. I think this will be one we convert on.

Others at home: I'd hope  Stanley,  Donny  with Morecambe, Wimbledon and maybe even Notts C possibles

Away has not been good, Walsall and Sutton in there but I guess it depends on Sutton being dead and buried in the league.

Harrogate will sit back and park the bus I reckon. After getting thumped by Mansfield they followed up that game holding Crewe to 0-0 at Crewe. Harrogate had 1 shot. ONE.

We’ve had games like that TBF.

we seem to be done with going every other week

I have a feeling it will be nil nil

A lot will depend on the pitch, after Tuesday and further rain since it’s likely to be bordering on impossible to play any kind of football.

Perfect in the Lou Macari era :D

You’ve forgotten the new drainage that’s been completed this last summer. Won’t be a bog by any measure. Certainly playable.

And with our Aussie plumber owner, we can expect the pitch drainage to be of the highest quality  :D

Of course. Gaffe tape, expanding foam and PTFE tape, we’re good to go.

Hats off to the ground staff if the pitch is playable today considering how poor its looked recently.

Been bleeding snowing here!

Can’t wait til Clem installs the undersoil heating and we no longer have to worry about these games being off.

Certainly didn't expect to wake up to snow outside in West wilts, what's it like in Swindon?

Heavy rain throughout the night cleared now.

Just have to worry about being able to pay the electric bill instead!

Solar panels on the new town end roof?

wind turbines powered by Flash.

Mr and Mrs Aud are watching this one at home. Both feel a bit shit - she’s had a stinker of a cold/cough for weeks now.

Look after yourselves, no point being uncomfortable given we only have dead rubbers left

Not going today, son is down for the weekend so is taking my Dad instead so will be watching on TV.
Think it’s the first time since lockdown that I’ve watched a home game on TV.

Strangely optimistic for this one based on Harrogate’s poor form, so that means they will frustrate us for 90 mins & score a breakaway goal 😢

It’s getting really dark here so expect another deluge!

Yet they are a game in hand of us and 5 points better off in 13th place. They will be no pushovers.

No they won’t, but their current form (last 6) they have been worse than us

Pretty good away team

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4 changes from a winning team.

Glatzel probably deserves a rest. Ditto Austin. RHM must be a bit pissed off. Aguiar - ?.

Given the injury history of most our team, I'd be shocked if we had any unchanged lineups in weeks where we have a Tuesday fixture for the remainder of the season

No Minturn🤔

You'd imagine McEachran isn't quite ready to start again and is being eased back in, is Cain injured?

Or Cain

Agree on Austin and Glatzel, RHM must be proper pissed off, I would not pick Aguiar in front of Cain ever, unless Cain is injured again.

It shows had bad things were when we couldn’t fill a bench, now we are discussing players who aren’t on the bench an probably could be (not injured)

Aguiar impressed Gunning,so fair enough. Can't see it myself

Interesting team. I think I'd have started RHM to try and keep his form (one game) going, but we have options so no harm in using them.

Aguiar starting is interesting, hope he kicks on - I can't see him as an obvious DM but no harm in giving it a go in a dead season I guess.

To reiterate about RHM being pissed off, Gunning was on the radio saying you play well and you will get picked, simple, you play badly and you will get dropped. Fucking irony that after RHM's best game of the season on Tuesday.

Only 2 CBs, so 4-5-1?

Just the way it should be😁

Yeah,that's a strange one

Exactly the same formation and style as we played on Tuesday I would think. 4 at the back with Harry and McGurk wide attackers/midfield.

Yes it should be that way but RHM was actually quite brilliant at times on Tuesday yet gets dropped.

Well, he took him off Tuesday when on a hat trick so maybe he still needs to be ‘managed’ seemingly along with half the squad.

Seems odd to drop RHM after mid week but let’s also not forget RHM has missed loads of football the last 5 or so years due to the injury. So perhaps we are just managing his minutes?

…of course there is other stuff to take into consideration like who will or will not be here next season. For arguments sake if it’s know RHM won’t sign a new deal is there any point?

Maybe Harrogate have quicker defenders that Tranmere so we’re going for different tactics that work better with other players

Or maybe the team selection was pure random.

Who really knows

You get the feeling Gunning may be a little obnoxious behind the scenes.

He's a bit obnoxious in front of the scenes!

Lots of good managers are though. And lots of bad ones.

Fair point.

Absolutely.

It’s not just the player rotation, though. The whole set up changes. Tuesday had Minturn and Dokes at LB and RB - very successfully. Now Minturn doesn’t even make the squad so Dokes will have to revert to CB. 2 up front Tuesday is now, I suppose, Drinan on his own.

How do you get any consistency changing players and set up game by game.

He actually said some quite interesting stuff about the full back set up in the presser- he wants to have two full backs who can play either side, will use the 'inverted' style (UGM on the left) against certain wingers and thinks that young CBs i.e. Minturn should learn their trade at full back. Between the lines I think he doesn't fancy Kokolo as an inverted RB (fair enough) but will let him play as a standard LB.

In this team UGM is RB, Kokolo LB, FBT and McCarthy central, right?

As for the forwards, McKirdy could definitely be playing the Glatzel role in this line up. We'll see.

Having all moaned (rightly) about Flynn playing Plan A under all circumstances and if it didn't work, trying Plan A, I'd rather Gunning trying stuff based on the opposition. It won't always work, but I think it has a better chance than the "we just play our game" stuff which only works if you're very good at it.

Harrogate today start with 5 changes from the side whallopped 4-1 at home by Newport on Tuesday.

Their side today though is just 1 change from the team that were beaten 9-2 at Mansfield, the only change being Burrell in for Abu at right back.

This side has 5 changes from the side whallopped 4-1 at home by Newport on Tuesday.

Dokes RB surely, with Kokolo on the left & FBT/McCarthy in the middle

Well, I suppose if we don’t know what the fuck he’s going to do neither do the opposition.

Dokes will play his normal RB role he did in the 2nd half vs Tranmere.

RHM was completely knackered on Tuesday, expect to see him in the second half.  Cain must have a knock.

Are Harrogate the most English team in the football league?

Today Harrogate have a squad of 29 1st teamers that includes 26 English born players, 1 Northern Irish, 1 Irish and 1 Scots.

By comparison we have 28 1st teamers listed with 17 English, 5 Irish, 1 Scots, 1 French, 1 Gambia and 1 German.

Yeah echoing Nemo.

Consistency is somewhat overrated in this day & age. Obviously consistently winning is still good (!!) but with squads getting bigger and bigger (particularly at the top level) there is a lot more rotation. I imagine if you did the stats the numbers of players who featured in every game 30 years ago compared with now it would be stark contrast.

Nothing against changing the starting XI & formation on a game to game basis tbh. Probably better than the alternative of keeping everything the same every game no matter what. Something most complained about under our last 3 managers

See the Teds lost at AG to Cardiff and they’re already after sacking Manning and his ‘modern’ boring style.

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Their poor run has coincided with Twine getting injured again, hes had about a month out now.

As if to prove that football fans will simply never be absolutely happy, I'm watching Leeds fans moan about a number of players' form after drawing 1-1 with Huddersfield having won literally every other league game they've played this year.

Sadly still stuck in mid table 9 points from the drop with a superior goal difference.

I take personal offense to this statement..  style icon i'll have you know..

Looks the lowest turnout of the season so far to me at the moment.

Arkells looks sparse. Particularly in the away section.

Could be less than Salford - oh, the shame.

Corner to them.

That Odoh is a handful, he was the best player on the pitch in the away game and when he was at Rochdale too.

I think they had only sold about 60 pre game.

Genuinely think we have 60 away fans who'd manage to get to a match on the Moon on a Tuesday night.

Absolutely right, even an away game 140 miles away in the JPT on a wet Tuesday and we would take more than double that for a meaningless game.

Good run by McKirdy who plays to Drinan but his flick back with a little beyond Harry.

That was never a foul by Dokes on Odoh. Not even close.

McGurk has some great close control, Aguair...far less so giving the ball away cheaply when attacking.

Two teams who look more comfortable on the counter than ont he ball so far.

Devoy with an awful pass gives it away and puts us under heavy pressure.

McGurk turns in the box and puts in a  lovely cross to Drinan but his header is way wide, great chance.

We are struggling to deal with Odoh so far down our right.

Harrogate already look a much better side than Tranmere did on Tuesday.

McCarthy does have a great long pass on him, finds Dokes from 50 yards but his cross is at the keeper.

poor 20 minutes

McCarthy another 40 yard pass to Dokes finds Harry and he puts in a nice cross but its cleared.

I think we are missing Gladzel’s energy

Our line us is a little different today so far.

                 Bycroft
        McCarthy         FBT
                  Khan
Dokes       Devoy   Aguiar          Kokolo
         McKirdy          McGurk
                  Drinan

McKirdy and McGurk playing nearer to Drinan and not as wide with Kokolo and Dokes on the overlap and Khan almost acting like a sweeper sat in front of the 2 CB's.

Good effort for Drinan from 18 yards just wide.

Devoy nearly puts a ball thro to Harry on the edge of the box.

He’s definitely got something about him and seems to be improving.

I agree, I love Harry but he doesnt put the effort in to draw defenders like Glatzel does.

Drinan getting more involved than he has in previous games for sure.

Harry to Drinan but his flick ont he edge of the box is inches from McGurk.

Hes looking quite handy today, one of his flicks will find their intended target soon.

Harry tries a shot from 20 yards thats soft but he still wins the corner from it.

Poor resulting corner. Floated to the far post by Aguiar and FBT fouls.

The game is certainly more entertaining than the 1st half against Tranmere was on Tuesday.

Odoh misses a great chance from 12 yards, the ball hit him rather than him hitting the ball.

I think this about right bar, Devoy seems to be sitting alongside Khan with Aguiar sitting slightly further forward. 

Its a more attacking line up for certain. Dokes and Kokolo bother being caught up the pitch at times though.

Gunning's "like a box of chocolates". Loving it

Drinan shoulders a cross over the bar, not much he could do though it was not a great cross by Harry.

Blatant push on Aguiar 30 yards out near the touchline. FK to Town.

Not a great delivery by Aguiar.

Harry wins another corner.

Better corner by Aguiar, headed over their own bar for another.

We're in the rare situation of looking the more threatening team from set pieces. Aguiar has put in some good ones as well as the bad.

2nd corner another good delivery to the near post but McCarthy gets too much on it and its wide.

He is so hit and miss so far, some great some terrible balls.

Aguiar felled again in a similar position.

Hit and miss is an improvement on our usual set piece plan of er... miss.

Aguiar doing a decent impression of McGovern at the moment.

Good pressure by Town there. Khan has a shot blocked by an arm it looked in the box but no pen.

this game is shite

True, hit and miss is better than miss and miss.

Is it? I was just thinking the general standard of play was quite a lot better than Tuesday... just minus the goals!

I am enjoying it way more than the 1st half vs Tranny.

Ha, jinx :D

2 mins added.

McCarthy and Bycroft cock up there.

No mention of the pitch cutting up must be holding up well considering the amount of rain we’ve had.

HT 0-0

Not a bad game so far for me, end to end, creating chances but not finishing them off.

Okay half, not many highlights exactly but some nice play. Both sides would like to counter attack you get the feeling. Aguiar unusually prominent for a guy who does often see games pass him by.

Win there for the taking today, but Harrogate aren't awful.

really. it's terrible. no pattern. both teams kick and rush. no genuine goal action.

bored.

the good thing is we were loads better second half Tuesday so let's hope for a repeat

HT. entirely forgettable, both dreadful.

Okay half. Look the slightly better team without really creating any real chances.

Enjoying the range of opinion on here though!

I think my nil nil prediction will be spot on

Drinan has done OK as has Aguiar, but Dokes has had the best half.

I think it's fair to say neither team have imposed themselves. Just looks like two capable counter attacking teams who don't really want to have the ball themselves to me, which I can see looks a bit frustrating. We've looked quite physical and strong at set pieces, which is... not a sentence I often associate with Swindon Town.

Ok half.
Solid if unspectacular. We’ve played ok but the passing / crossing in the final 3rd hasn’t been crisp enough but we’ve definitely played more of the game in the our final 3rd than Harrogate have.

They’ve worked it well into the final 3rd a few times but like us haven’t really created any decent chances out of it.

I’d like to see McKirdy come left & start cutting inside onto his stronger foot next half.
Maybe drop McGurk on a bit deeper and more central to get on the ball

Substitutions will decide this so let’s hope Mad Gav gets it right.

This is going to be the pattern for the rest of the season i fear, nothing really to play for, the majority of the teams we are playing the same, and with the regular swapping and changing of first 11 we are going to struggle to get into any sort of pattern of play.  It is what it is and we are where we are, the general model of this club for the season has resulted in this i feel.

glatzel warning up. presumably for McKirdy

Different strokes for different folks I suppose, I think we've seen a lot of games worse than this.

It is of course possible that this relative statement is not incompatible with the game not being great!

Think Elboozy could inject a bit of pace instead of McGurty, RHM too, in place of Aguiar.

Not sure that both teams are dreadful. They are of the same standard. We don’t have that urgency and running up top.

I think that McKirdy, Aguilar and McGurk are trying to play a similar sort of role. McGurk has been the quietest of the 3. But it’s perm 1 or 2 from 3 for me.

Drinan has been lively and has had both of our best opportunities. I can see Boozy putting crosses onto his head soon.

Opinion split seems to vary between where people are watching it. Those inside in the warm enjoying it, those of us cold and damp in the ground less so.

In isolation, that was OK.  It feels a bit worse because we've fallen into a situation where looking a bit better than Harrogate is deemed progress.

They look like they are sitting in and waiting to hit us on the counter - they look a bit of a threat when they do spring.  We are not set-up to counter, but also not set-up to possess.  We are looking for direct and wide balls to try and stretch them, so it becomes a bit scrappy when that isn't hitting it's mark.

We've generally seemed the more attacking team, but they probably had the best chance, where a defender just flicked the ball as it was going to their winger about 6 yard out, meaning it hit him rather than being able to tee up a finish.

https://twitter.com/OfficialVizeh/status/1763946892646293744

Made me smile. I think the kids call this "limbs".

It's depressing that this type of performance has become relatively acceptable for some of us while at home, against Harrogate, in the lower echelons of league 2.

I am not saying we should be up in arms or anything just pointing out how far we have fallen and how low the expectations are in general from the fanbase these days.  We really are on a downward spiral.

It's just about how far you zoom out I guess. In the context of this season, petering out into nothingness and nothing to win but the title of "not quite our shittest season ever" this is fine.

Big picture it is of course, shit, but I can't really see why anyone who can't get away from that is still watching. There's no way you could enjoy the remainder of this season if you can't detach the 90 minutes from the general malaise at the club.

It is, to quote Good Omens, not so much a fall, but a saunter vaguely downwards.

That poor ballboy might never recover :D

Not a great game, don’t know if it’s Harrogate frustrating us or we are just not playing well.

Apparently Glatzel & RHM are coming on at HT

It’s crazy to think that Harrogate who average under 3000 home crowds are able to compete with us on and off the pitch.

RHM.+ glatzel for Aguiar and McKirdy

RHM and Glatzel on for McKirdy and Aguiar.

I am still watching because I can't not, it's in my blood, i don't have a choice unfortunately.  I have to just sit and watch us deteriorate until our inevitable end, i feel like I am caring for my parents :(

With extra meaning due to the result.

Bit harsh on Aguiar that.

The pitch isn't helping.

Yes he wasnt awful. Devoy looked way worse.

Glatzel again slips on the ball, he did the same all game at Newport, needs to sort his boots out.

Glatzel seems to be playing more in the attacking midfield role that Aguiar was playing 1st half.

Silly foul by RHM after a scramble clearing 2 corners in a row.

0-1

Bollocks

Cock.

stellar defending

Well done RHM, cost us

well that was as simple as could be. >:(

Kokolo loses his man from the FK cross there.

Totally unmarked, RHM should not have given away that FK there that led to it.

Austin on for McGurk.

Non-existent defending.

Four more or less out and out strikers on the pitch feels unbalanced.

RHM fouled right on the edge of the box afer a run.

Stupid free kick to give away.

Utterly preventable that was.

Poor FK by Devoy.

Glatzel shot off the line.

Cleared off the line

Harrogate happy to sit on this now, not that they were enormously expansive before.

This is an absolute nonsense tactically. 4 forwards on the pitch and not a single creative player on the pitch to feed them and totally open in midfield.

I'm not a tactical genius, but I'm really not sure about putting Austin and Drinan on together with RHM and Glaztel. Those two forwards would benefit from Aguiar's cross spam far more than RHM's pace surely?

Great tackle by Kokolo there.

I would get Drinan off hes been poor this half and get Elboozy on to run at them down the wing and push RHM more central.

The complete absence of a midfield really is something to witness. This is laughable.

Would get McEachran on for Drinan I think. Doesn't look an attacking substitution, but we just have no midfield at the moment.

It's been a bit of a thing a few times under Gunning, I really don't think he rates any of our midfielders. Or possibly doesn't rate the concept of midfielders!

I don't hate Devoy as much as some but he is not a midfielder for a central 2.

I dont hate Devoy I just dont think hes near the quality we need in L2.

McEachran for... Khan. Hmm.

Another laughable sub, maintaining the 4-2-4

I think hate is a strong word, i just don't think Devoy is up to our lowly standard

McEachran on for Khan.

Att: 7,687 (73 Sulphurs)

The irony is we improved slightly after going to a back four, mostly because it gave us the option of an extra body in midfield.
So now we’ve basically abandoned the extra midfield player & just chucked on an extra attacker

If you want the argument put forward as to why Gav should not get the job longterm, just replay this game.

So near to an OG from Kokolo great run and cross.

We could play till this time tomorrow & I don’t think we will score.

This has very much Swindon nil written all over it.

Exactly.

El Boozy on for Dokes.

A fifth attacking player. This is pure CM now.

Time for a dodgy pen

Dokes one of our better players for me today.

We've turned to sh*t defensively this half.  Would be 2 or 3 down against a side able to finish.

75mins in and this is looking more & more likely, albeit it was a set piece rather than a breakaway

2-3-5 is the new tikataka formation.

https://medium.com/the-football-pub/this-is-why-football-teams-are-playing-2-3-5-again-d5543e9cb2ca

Sometimes RHM doesnt have a football brain, just put the ball in front of him and let him run, dont make him cut back or cut inside.

Penalty claim for a foul on Drinan. Not given.

If only we had a decent corner taker and player who can attack set pieces. We have had 10 pointless corners today.

We had one, we took him off at half time. We looked threatening from set pieces first 45 but have neutered ourselves entirely.

1-1 free header

1-1 Austin.

Yes! Shit defending from Harrogate but they all count.

Inch perfect right wing cross from Elboozy to an unmarked Austin to head in from 10 yards.

FUCKIN AVE IT!!!!!!!!!!

Let's bloody win it now

But that's how our opponents get most of their goals!

We must be due an injury time winner surely?

Hopefully these things even out over the season.

In which case we'd be due about seven injury time winners...

I wouldn't say free, he still had work to do

Don’t think there are even enough games for us to win back the same amount of points we’ve lost in added time…

Unfortunately so.

5 mins added.

Cross it low and fucking hard and hope for a deflection.

FT 1-1

Every point counts towards survival until its a certainty.

Gunning is most certainly not a manager, but I fear we will be lumbered with him next season

Good header by Austin and, well, that was probably it.  I really have no idea what we were doing with the forward players in the second half, not sure they did either.

Not bad, not good, meh, I'd want it to be May, but I fear the summer will be shit as well.

Why not? His attacking strategy got us a point in a game that Flynn's team would more than likely have lost.

Meh.

We weren’t great, we weren’t bad. Same can be said for Harrogate.

Both teams lacking that extra bit of quality in the final 3rd.
One silly free kick & one lapse in concentration and that’s really the only opening Harrogate had all game. Bycroft hasn’t made a save.

We haven’t troubled their keeper either but maybe troubled their defensive a bit more.

Think (in hindsight) I’d have preferred RHM (who wasn’t very good) to start and McKirdy to come on later in the game to add a bit of energy.

Overall a meh game with a meh result in a meh season for a meh club

Disappointing, but a fair result.

A few below par performances there - Devoy, RHM, McKirdy, McGurk & Khan

Second half Drinan didn’t do much and McCarthy dipped

UGM looked to be putting in a shift

Some predictable players coming on, but possibly the wrong people coming off.

Well that was boring.

Not bad. Just boring.

Gunning definitely wins the “least shit” award for our recent managers but he’s doing very little that instills confidence that he’s the man to take us forward next season.

If you want to take solace from the extremely low bar that his football is slightly better than Flynn’s then that’s fine as it’s also true.

McGurk and Glatzel will be very effective when on the same wavelength.

Gunning:
- Performance wasn't very good. Flat
- Maybe Tuesday and the poor pitch took it out of us
- Ball speed to slow. We were inbetween. We didn't know what to do. It was horrible to watch
- Gave away a bad goal, then came alive
- Pleased that we have got to a point where we are disappointed with a draw against Harrogate at home
- It wasn't one of Gunning's favourite games to watch
- Didn't want to lose at the end
- There was a penalty shout missed at the end
- It is what it is
- Changed things round with RHM and Glatzel. They were fatigued and sore so couldnt start
- Today the subs were angry subs. Frustration
- McKirdy was always coming off at half time
- Aguilar did ok to be fair. Any of the others could have come off
- Minturn: Out for the season. Hip area muscle injury
- That's two young defenders out for the season. Frustrating as we would want to see whether they can do it for next year
- How to you get consistency for the rest of the year? (Hawes): What do you mean? We have had consistency! (Gunning taking exception to the question)

Hahaha

Rancid.

Disillusioned beyond care now , didn't even celebrate the equaliser.

STH and not sure I want to go back again this term.

“It is what it is” Gunning got that bit right.

Gunning is not wrong about being consistent, we have drawn 4 of 8 games and keep trotting out meandering performances.  It's better than the last days of Flynn, but 2 wins in 8 is about in line with the results achieved across the season, very consistent.  Consistently poor, for what we should expect.

I know Gunning has his followers but I would prefer a clean sweep for next season.

You’ll get your wish.

Depends on Clems finances!

 this is where we are currently . Nothing to look forward to other than the Milton Keynes class of 24 -25 . Hopefully they will have some gems for us to break into the top half next season .

Maybe a derby v Cheltenham :D

Our full backs are cursed to the point where even playing there for 45 minutes puts you out for the season. Seems to the cost of UGM being bulletproof.

I know others disagree but I didn't enjoy the first half. Doesn't help sitting in the Town End when we are attacking at the other end

Thought we were sloppy, didn't really see what we were trying to do and a couple of bits of quality didn't make that.

Second half was marginally better after Harrogate scored. We had to go for it a bit more but we did play some slow crab football at times still.

Ultimately though, it matters not. Dead rubbers all round

That was so dull.

Nothing on or off the pitch, extremely flat.

I reckon the players are better than the managers tactics at the moment

Also We’d have been better with Devoy at the base of midfield not Kahn who will be back to non league next season.

Having read the comments and listened to some of the commentary out and about I’ve banked £27 towards my winter 24-25 holiday. For those of you who went I feel for you. I cannot wait till August. Even then depending on what the closed season brings I’m not committing to anything other than a walk up attendance and some away games. I never ever thought I’d have this defeatist malaise towards the town. It is not a comfortable feeling either.

That was utterly shite.
Atmosphere flat and apathy all around. Club is dead.

I would prefer Decoy further up the pitch, he was really effective when he played further up the pitch

I don't, not results wise anyway.  We could maybe play some more entertaining football but we'd be more open at the same time, as our goals against shows.

I can't see anyone to really get excited about in the squad.  There are a few that you'd have around, but nobody stands out for me.  McCarthy is the closest to a good quality, top of the table type player, and he's going back to Barnsley in a couple of months.  None of the rest will go down in STFC folklore, Austin aside for a previous stint really.

Not sure I’d give Gunning that award. Glatzel would be more effective if played in his position of striker rather than wide or no. 10

More or less my position, he's doing better than Flynn, Morris, Lindsey, but really not convinced that's enough.

I don’t think it’s apathy. It’s helplessness.

Problem is enough ST will just renew regardless- this season has been utter dog shite.

Desperately need new competent owners who if they don’t know how to run a football club bring in people who do. Clem is clueless

Which all takes time and no changes seemingly imminent.

It's weird isn't it. Yet Gunning is going to {position wise} potentially end up worse than both Flitters and PB...

...which on the face of it in L2 for Town fans, those types of league finishes/campaigns under those managers, were considered to be the lowest of low bars in the modern era... even finishing below seventh was considered unacceptable {and we're not talking that long ago}. Yet the bar of acceptance/apathy/helplessness appears to have shifted lower again and now into an unthinkable substandard and seemingly consistent state of ''Beamish'' monitoring.

I hope this doesn't become the norm but I very much hazard that my fears will be confirmed; especially whilst remaining under this current ownership  :cry:

I will be renewing

The state of the club, on and off the pitch, is utterly depressing with no end in sight. Outletred is correct - there’ll be plenty of renewals (each to their own of course) - another mid table finish under Gunning in store.

I note Batch said others may disagree about it being a unenjoyable first half…I’d love to hear a case otherwise! It was like watching paint dry.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfDTwqrWZxU

Would expect nothing less. Nothing to see here is there, everything is rosy.

Listening to his post match drivel on BBC was enough for me, so I’ll give this one a miss!

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:




#Shock

That makes me laugh, I support the club not the manager/owner.  

Do we have any viable alternatives to Clem, I would love to know about them

You do realise you guys are a very small minority, you get all worked up In your echo chambers

I’m not sure anyone would call that first half enjoyable but the performance wasn’t terrible. It was two even teams cancelling each other out. A different kind of ‘not enjoyable’ rather than a ‘not enjoyable because we are playing shit & getting totally torn apart’ if that makes sense…

Things will change - they always do. The problem is we have had a succession of chancers, wasters and downright crooks. From Jed to the current incumbent. Power was a worse owner than Clem but because it was, mostly, acceptable on the pitch people didn’t moan that much. I remember being shouted down when he took over after highlighting his 17 bankrupt companies on his CV.

Some still can’t distinguish between supporting the club and supporting the owner. You can do the one without doing the other.

We were building into the game 1st half the second half subs disrupted the flow

I just thought it was a hilariously accurate reply at which was highly factual.

It was not a shock to see you state that you'll be renewing. I found it funny because it was obvious you would reply in a polar way to someone who had stated they wouldn't or stated that several fans would blindly renew.

Fuck me, you remind me of a bloke I used to know called Keith. He was a right cunt

I thought we were flat first half & if we wanted to come out of the blocks second half we needed changes.

Not the ones we got mind you. I’d have moved McKirdy wide left so he was cutting in onto his favoured right & moved McGurk a bit deeper and more central to try & get him on the ball more.

Then if that didn’t do the trick I’d have swapped Drinan to Glatzel.

I would have changed Mckirdy - he looked shot after 30mins. Aguiar should have stayed on though.

So what's worse? Not making changes or making too many? I know there's a happy medium somewhere between but I really think today was a game that the latter days Flynn side would have more than likely lost. Seemed like we had them hanging on for the last 10 minutes or so. Maybe wrong because I was commentary only but it seemed they were the ones desperate for the final whistle

Yeah but no structure to our play - if Harrogate were half decent they would have got us on the break. That said, they showed us how to defend.

Listened today. Sounds like we weren’t brilliant but managed to grind out a point. Would we have done the same under Flynn? Not sure albeit we now have different personnel. Gav not happy with the performance. Sounds like we need more grit and crunch in midfield. All academic really for the season but at least another point on the board.

Is that you, Paolo?

The empty seats say otherwise.

Under Flynn with Kemp & Young we probably would have taken a 3-0 lead in the first hour going on to concede in 81st, 88th & 94th minute and scraping a 3-3 draw.

Same result - different journey

You truly are clueless.

Charlie needs 4 more to overtake Roger Smart & Jimmy Quinn to put him at no 22 in the hit parade.

The performance yesterday was pretty dire to my tired eyes.
Maybe really wanting us to win the game has coloured my view.

Little tempo, drive, desire or belief throughout.
It's never easy to break down an opponent that has little interest in going toe 2 toe.
We just didn't have the tools to do so, or maybe we did & they just weren't on the pitch together at the same time.

"It is what it is". Sadly.

I was recently talking to someone I know who was involved with the trust at Luton during their darkest times.

Annoyingly I cannot remember the exact phrasing of his comment to me. But he essentially said it is fans with this attitude that are the ones who end up sinking the ship.

Of course they are. Blind allegiance no matter what. Its what makes us a target.

Exactly, we do not have a player currently that buzzes around and makes things happen to lift the game out of its drabness, all very one paced with a lack of awareness many times of a quick pass that may have cut through the Harrogates defence. Disappointing performances all over the place as I hoped we might have pushed on following the Tranmere game. There have not been many times where I have been looking to the seasons end but this is certainly one of them.

Like you are on here?

Maybe. But ridiculing people who are guilty of the terrible crime of renewing their ST is sad if not downright ridiculous.

…and also ridiculing them doesn’t help anyone. Just divides the fan base more so…
Wasted energy.

Although the cunts that get chippy about being real fans deserve ridiculing and worse.

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Not read back much and not going to go into a huge amount of analysis you'll be pleased to hear! Basically my overall takeaway from Saturday was that it all seemed quite disjointed. I suppose the chopping and changing all the time from starting line-up to substitutes (which still seem pre-planned) means that we didn't seem to be very cohesive. My other takeaway was that despite bringing on pacier players in the second half, the tempo was mind-numbingly slow. I assume that this was to try and draw Harrogate out of their low block, but it just seemed like we were going through the motions to a home defeat. With that said, good work from Elbouzedi down the right and a lovely CA header got us a point.

Disappointing really, I felt like Harrogate, despite their good away stats (Before 9-2 and 4-1 defeats granted) were there for the taking. Mansfield away, already seems like a mountain to climb to come back with any points.

We thought that with Stockpot too Bobster. Already got 3 points of Mansfield, let's make it 6.

TBF to Bob, Stockport had won one of the five games prior to playing us, whereas Mansfield have won 4 of their last 5.

That said it’s football and unexpected results happen so who knows.

If you could offer me a point now & just move on I’d bite your hand off

Oh no absolutely. L2 isn't exactly brilliant, Stockport have been going through a sticky spell, whereas Mansfield look unstoppable at the moment. That's not to say we can't get anything of course


Yeah agreed. I'm the same.

Havent read back...

Deflated again....we cannot kick on.

Dunno about the Team selection, we were all scratching our heads in the Pub asking why...

Two poor sides trying to get something.

HM has to simply pass that loose ball back to the defender to clear instead of trying some fancy turn. Gave away the free kick and we all know we cannot defend...awful.

I didnt see where an equaliser was coming from but we notched from more poor defending from them.

Poor game...a bit parky.

chipping away at the 50 points and then we can all relax a bit.

Terrible Season.