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« Reply #5310 on: Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 22:03:36 »

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Maybe because there is a shitload of travel between mainland Spain and the Canaries and the Balearic Islands?

it's a valid concern

< 20% of August visitors to the canaries are from mainland spain (2019).

I can't find stats to break that down by region. I'd imagine the numbers traveling from the dodgy area are fairly low. who leaves Catalonia in August!

in any case the data isn't showing a rise.

meanwhile 30 people in the Iceland distribution centre were confirmed positive today
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« Reply #5311 on: Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 22:04:42 »

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No I agree, hence my comment about it seems a bit clumsy to be so coarse-grained. But I don't think that alters the principle that it's going to be necessary to introduce these kind of rolling travel restrictions for some time as we see flare-ups in other countries/regions. And accept when they are imposed on us, as well.
yeah absolutely. if I had a trip to Barcelona booked I'd be somewhat more understanding.

you know me well enough by now to know I like moaning. it's therapeutic.
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« Reply #5312 on: Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 22:15:27 »

Maybe because there is a shitload of travel between mainland Spain and the Canaries and the Balearic Islands?

That was my thinking. Pissed up Brits abroad...
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« Reply #5313 on: Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 22:37:27 »

yeah absolutely. if I had a trip to Barcelona booked I'd be somewhat more understanding.

you know me well enough by now to know I like moaning. it's therapeutic.
tbf, you've had a holiday you'd been looking forward to taken out from under you, think anyone would be moaning under the circumstances.
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« Reply #5314 on: Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 22:40:39 »

Ryanair being complete scammers that's pissed me off most.
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« Reply #5315 on: Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 23:21:19 »

so what data justifies applying this to the Canary Islands.

I'm not really closing that as a region. it's 1000 miles from spain!

I saw a very obvious bit of "data" that made a mockery of the whole thing in terms of distances, land mass and cases etc.

Will have to find it but it went along the lines of;

Barcelona to Tenerife 1400 miles
Barcelona to Luton 750 miles

Number of people in Tenerife 900k
Number of people in Luton 240k

Size of Tenerife 780sq mi
Size of Luton 17sq mi

Persons psq mi Tenerife 1,150
Persons psq mi Luton 11,760

Number of cases in Tenerife 1500 (or c2 psq mi)
Number of cases in Luton 1536 (or 90 psq mi)

Number of deaths Tenerife 110 (or 0.14 psq mi)
Number of deaths Luton  280 ( or 16 psq mi)

So the point being, you can gladly travel to Luton (incidentally one of the UK's supposed Covid-19 hotspots) and do some shopping, go to a pub, check your eyesight, etc. That risk is deemed less so by our government than doing the same if you travelled to Tenerife? The distances are also important, purely on that Tenerife is further from one of Spain's highest Covid-19 cities than Luton (and pretty much anywhere in the UK another 600 miles North) is.

I understand them closing off the "air bridges" for main cities in Spain but the Canaries it is nonsensical. The same applies to both the Azores and Madeira (who are both virtually covid free), yet because the FCO has removed Portugal from the "air bridge" list, these islands are also included. Yet it's ok to also travel to France and Germany without restriction.

I could also understand if it was Spain or Portugal closing the air bridge, to us. Totally but it isn't it is, yet again our Government showing how everything and I mean pretty much everything, is being planned on the back of a very unethical foie gras terrine (which also isn't great for writing clear guidelines on either).
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« Reply #5316 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 07:00:20 »

apparently whitty was concerned that the cases in Tenerife would follow the sharp increase in North East spain.

I think that's schapps throwing him under the bus for exactly the kind of inconsistency you highlight bamboo.
 
I would say it's active cases/'R' rate that's more important than historic numbers though..
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« Reply #5317 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 07:17:03 »

More great advice....

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-quarantine-penalise-employees/
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« Reply #5318 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 14:07:36 »

ONS report shows UK had one of the worst rates of excess mortality due to COVID in Europe; England taken as a standalone nation had the worst:

"by the end of May, England had seen the highest overall relative excess mortality out of all the European countries compared"

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/comparisonsofallcausemortalitybetweeneuropeancountriesandregions/januarytojune2020
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« Reply #5319 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 16:04:41 »

I see Swindon had 30 people confirmed with Covid-19 in the same distribution centre, yet it is being suggested they all got it from outside - which would suggest at least 30 other people have the virus in or around Swindon?  The case count in Swindon never made much sense as an outside observer these days - the mortality rate was way to high as a % of cases, likely meaning very little testing has been taking place?  Unless there a special Covid-19 water fountain outside the building.
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« Reply #5320 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 16:07:39 »

I see Swindon had 30 people confirmed with Covid-19 in the same distribution centre, yet it is being suggested they all got it from outside - which would suggest at least 30 other people have the virus in or around Swindon?
Or maybe they all socialise in the same group?
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« Reply #5321 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 17:15:47 »

yeah, in the distribution centre canteen
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« Reply #5322 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 17:19:45 »

I thought I read that the majority got the virus from outside the group?
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« Reply #5323 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 17:28:03 »

51 now

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18618411.51-workers-tested-positive-coronavirus-iceland-distribution-centre/
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« Reply #5324 on: Thursday, July 30, 2020, 17:43:51 »

All it takes is one driver, to bring the virus in. Itís not rocket science.

Bound to happen at some point. This is why regional lockdowns will not work.
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