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Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 16:38:29
It looks like only a matter of time before Coronavirus makes its way to blighty. But its ok, the US have the cure.

"Trump on Tuesday said the US was ďvery closeĒ to a coronavirus vaccine, which is at least a year away from being available in the best scenario. The White House later said the president was instead speaking about the Ebola vaccine approved two months ago."

Plank.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 16:43:03
It looks like only a matter of time before Coronavirus makes its way to blighty. But its ok, the US have the cure.

"Trump on Tuesday said the US was ďvery closeĒ to a coronavirus vaccine, which is at least a year away from being available in the best scenario. The White House later said the president was instead speaking about the Ebola vaccine approved two months ago."

Plank.
It's a good job he didn't order the dismantling of the US Federal epidemic management system in 2018 or they might have something to worry about. Although apparently coronavirus is just a Chinese/left-wing/whoever else is the enemy du jour conspiracy to undermine his re-election bid anyway.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 17:09:39
My eldest's school is closed for the remainder of the week.  Some staff & kids returning from a school ski trip in N Italy showing 'mild flu-like symptoms'.

Similarly one of the offices in Canary Wharf has closed as one of its staff members who has come back from a country where the virus is prevalent has shown flu symptons. I'd happily work from home for the time being!


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 18:03:44
The thing is, flu is still a big killer with c500k deaths worldwide per year. And we actually have a vaccine for that yet it still causes havoc. No "self isolating" though, just sneeze/cough over whoever you like cos "it's only flu".

Truth be told, Influenza is more deadly. 2019-nCoV, while yes capable of causing death to those with mostly underlying or pre-existing conditions, the Fatality Rate (FR) is just 8%. We're also still talking very small numbers in epidemic senses. When matched against flu, worldwide cases are in the c3m bracket (an FR of c18%) annually. Even at the current rate 2019-nCoV would be on track for c500k cases and 40k deaths. That figure is unlikely, as cases are showing signs of plateauing and as the Northern Hemisphere pushes towards warmer temperatures, the virus cannot live as long.

I reckon it'll max out at around 250k cases with 10k deaths (FR c4%). WHO reckon the final CFR (Case Fatality Rate) will be less than that at c2%. But who am I to make any such claims?

I still think the media is doing a sterling job of scaremongering though. I've had people say to me they think it will evolve into some indestructible superbug that can't be eradicated (see Influenza), and will slowly wipe out the human species. When giving them comparable data versus Flu, they almost disregard and ignore it. That alone shows you the effect the media can have upon Joe public.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 19:13:15
The thing is, flu is still a big killer with c500k deaths worldwide per year. And we actually have a vaccine for that yet it still causes havoc. No "self isolating" though, just sneeze/cough over whoever you like cos "it's only flu".

Truth be told, Influenza is more deadly. 2019-nCoV, while yes capable of causing death to those with mostly underlying or pre-existing conditions, the Fatality Rate (FR) is just 8%. We're also still talking very small numbers in epidemic senses. When matched against flu, worldwide cases are in the c3m bracket (an FR of c18%) annually. Even at the current rate 2019-nCoV would be on track for c500k cases and 40k deaths. That figure is unlikely, as cases are showing signs of plateauing and as the Northern Hemisphere pushes towards warmer temperatures, the virus cannot live as long.

I reckon it'll max out at around 250k cases with 10k deaths (FR c4%). WHO reckon the final CFR (Case Fatality Rate) will be less than that at c2%. But who am I to make any such claims?

I still think the media is doing a sterling job of scaremongering though. I've had people say to me they think it will evolve into some indestructible superbug that can't be eradicated (see Influenza), and will slowly wipe out the human species. When giving them comparable data versus Flu, they almost disregard and ignore it. That alone shows you the effect the media can have upon Joe public.

Its almost as if there is something potentially closer to home that the media would rather not talk about!


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 20:15:43
The thing is, flu is still a big killer with c500k deaths worldwide per year. And we actually have a vaccine for that yet it still causes havoc. No "self isolating" though, just sneeze/cough over whoever you like cos "it's only flu".

Truth be told, Influenza is more deadly. 2019-nCoV, while yes capable of causing death to those with mostly underlying or pre-existing conditions, the Fatality Rate (FR) is just 8%. We're also still talking very small numbers in epidemic senses. When matched against flu, worldwide cases are in the c3m bracket (an FR of c18%) annually. Even at the current rate 2019-nCoV would be on track for c500k cases and 40k deaths. That figure is unlikely, as cases are showing signs of plateauing and as the Northern Hemisphere pushes towards warmer temperatures, the virus cannot live as long.

I reckon it'll max out at around 250k cases with 10k deaths (FR c4%). WHO reckon the final CFR (Case Fatality Rate) will be less than that at c2%. But who am I to make any such claims?

I still think the media is doing a sterling job of scaremongering though. I've had people say to me they think it will evolve into some indestructible superbug that can't be eradicated (see Influenza), and will slowly wipe out the human species. When giving them comparable data versus Flu, they almost disregard and ignore it. That alone shows you the effect the media can have upon Joe public.

The mortality rate with influenza is approximately 0.1%. The coronavirus appears to be more than 20 times deadlier.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 20:29:40
Did I read somewhere that the Coronavirus  started with Pangolins?


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 20:34:23
Dunno, but that bloke and his mrs that were on the cruise ship who are on the news everyday are getting right on my tits


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 21:36:52
The mortality rate with influenza is approximately 0.1%. The coronavirus appears to be more than 20 times deadlier.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but;

c3 million cases
óóóóóóóóó
= 17/18%
c500,000 deaths

It's also not "the coronavirus". There have been plenty of strains of "coronavirus". Usually H1N1/H1N2 etc is the name associated to the A sub type of Influenza (or Seasonal Flu). This is Covid-19 or 2019-nCoV. I mild strain of Influenza (that they don't have a vaccine for yet).

Back on original point. How do you get to 0.1% for Flu? That'd require 500million cases per year or 1 in 14 for wordwide pop at 7bn. Yet the case figures are 1/100th of this at best, at 5m.

I think you may be looking at US figures only where it falls at c0.1%. The US figures may be a little more unique as people there tend to get a Flu Shot every year, regardless if age or need. Thus their mortality rate is likely to be very low. But I'm talking wordwide figures and as stated that is c17/18%. There is a range between 5% to 20% though.

Edit: The US CDC figures tend to include ALL cases (even the mild ones). Whereas WHO uses medium to severe case data.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 22:27:25
Forgive me if I'm wrong but;

c3 million cases
óóóóóóóóó
= 17/18%
c500,000 deaths

It's also not "the coronavirus". There have been plenty of strains of "coronavirus". Usually H1N1/H1N2 etc is the name associated to the A sub type of Influenza (or Seasonal Flu). This is Covid-19 or 2019-nCoV. I mild strain of Influenza (that they don't have a vaccine for yet).

Back on original point. How do you get to 0.1% for Flu? That'd require 500million cases per year or 1 in 14 for wordwide pop at 7bn. Yet the case figures are 1/100th of this at best, at 5m.

I think you may be looking at US figures only where it falls at c0.1%. The US figures may be a little more unique as people there tend to get a Flu Shot every year, regardless if age or need. Thus their mortality rate is likely to be very low. But I'm talking wordwide figures and as stated that is c17/18%. There is a range between 5% to 20% though.

Edit: The US CDC figures tend to include ALL cases (even the mild ones). Whereas WHO uses medium to severe case data.

You can't compare mortality rates for severe cases of flu with that for all cases of THE coronavirus. The CDC estimates 31 million people caught the flu in the US this season. Obviously there is a danger in extrapolating that over the entire world, but given estimated deaths each year are between 250,000-500,000 it wouldn't be anywhere near that percentage even if all the deaths were in the US(estimates are between 12,000-30,000 from 1st Oct 19 to 1st Feb 20).


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 23:49:38
I'm going on WHO data. However we can't* use estimated or historical data with 2019-nCoV as it is still ongoing. If we were to only use severe cases of 2019-nCoV then the projected CFR would be higher (*I say we can't, we can but doing so doesn't guarantee accurate numbers).

If we only use closed case data for Covid-19 at present (2.7k deaths/33k closed cases = 8%) but we have another 48k ongoing cases with 8.9k classed as serious/critical. Even if all 8.9k were to die we would have at present numbers, 11.6k proj deaths/81k proj close case = 14.3%.

We can't rely on projected data in an ongoing case. One because that elevates it way higher than the current rate. Two, we already know the case rate is starting to plateau.

As to why CDC uses ALL data for Flu and WHO seemingly only uses medium to severe cases, I have no idea but when comparing world data, it is equally unfair to use data from only one country (albeit one with 300m people) for Flu and world data for Covid-19.

I get your point but until Covid-19 is "over" and we know the extent of deaths to severe/medium cases ratio. We will have no idea of the real CFR%.

The point really being, using deaths only, is that Flu has a range of 250k - 600k per year. At present Covid-19 has 2.7k  (ongoing) after 2 mnths. IF we have to project and replicate Covid-19 over the short historical data available, there would be 486k cases with 16.2k deaths giving 3.33%.

For measure, MERS, which hardly anyone heard much about had a CFR of 34.4% (some 840+ deaths from c2.4k cases).

All we do know is that 2019-nCoV has some way to go to surpass the number set by Influenza. Factor in that Flu does have vaccines and it still pulls in a good chunk of deaths. Imagine if there were no Flu vaccine, and there would be even more deaths to Flu. At present 2019-nCoV has no vaccine but as stated, case numbers are plateauing. Indicating being contained. So when a vaccine becomes available, if "THE Coronavirus" is still around/rears itself again, we should and hope that death numbers would be much lower.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 00:06:53
Oi you two! Stop interrupting Horlock and Paulís drivel  ;)


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 09:32:35
I'm going on WHO data. However we can't* use estimated or historical data with 2019-nCoV as it is still ongoing. If we were to only use severe cases of 2019-nCoV then the projected CFR would be higher (*I say we can't, we can but doing so doesn't guarantee accurate numbers).

If we only use closed case data for Covid-19 at present (2.7k deaths/33k closed cases = 8%) but we have another 48k ongoing cases with 8.9k classed as serious/critical. Even if all 8.9k were to die we would have at present numbers, 11.6k proj deaths/81k proj close case = 14.3%.

We can't rely on projected data in an ongoing case. One because that elevates it way higher than the current rate. Two, we already know the case rate is starting to plateau.

:sigh: You could have just said you used the wrong figures. Okay, one more post and I'm done.

As to why CDC uses ALL data for Flu and WHO seemingly only uses medium to severe cases, I have no idea but when comparing world data, it is equally unfair to use data from only one country (albeit one with 300m people) for Flu and world data for Covid-19.

I get your point but until Covid-19 is "over" and we know the extent of deaths to severe/medium cases ratio. We will have no idea of the real CFR%.

It's not equally unfair, by using the death rate for severe cases of flu you massively distorted it's risk versus coronavirus. Even if we had a figure for deaths from severe cases of coronavirus, how deadly a virus is in severe cases tells us nothing about how deadly it is to catch. That's a complete red herring.

I couldn't find a figure for global infections so I extrapolated the figure for the US across the world, something I pointed out was a danger(the US figure could have been an anomaly, or the US could have a much higher infection rate per year than the rest of the world). I wasn't trying to get published in The Lancet though, I was just highlighting how wildly out your figure was.

39 million cases of flu in the US is about 12% of the population. Let's be slightly cautious and say it's 6% for the entire world(I know that could still be too high).

6% of the world's population is about 450,000,000.

Estimated flu deaths each year are 250,000-500,000

That gives a fatality rate of 0.055-0.11%

The point really being, using deaths only, is that Flu has a range of 250k - 600k per year. At present Covid-19 has 2.7k  (ongoing) after 2 mnths. IF we have to project and replicate Covid-19 over the short historical data available, there would be 486k cases with 16.2k deaths giving 3.33%.

For measure, MERS, which hardly anyone heard much about had a CFR of 34.4% (some 840+ deaths from c2.4k cases).

That's some goalpost-shifting Reg would be proud of. I actually agree that there is too much scaremongering and people get too hysterical, but as Aristotle said, 'Fear is pain arising from the anticipation of evil'. It looks to be spreading and current rates of death are far higher than from flu, so people are concerned. Dismissing things can be just as dangerous as exaggerating them. There's a reason China has gone to such extreme measures to try and contain it, and the only public figures I've seen dismissing it's severity are Trump and batshit crazy Cambodian dictator Hun Sen.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 10:05:16
The CDC stats show that the flu had a death rate of approximately 0.1% in 2018-2019.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Coronavirus is thought to have a death rate of around 1%, making it MUCH more deadly. While healthy individuals should have little reason to be concerned, that 1% could still result in millions of deaths if it is not contained. In my novice opinion, it seems that it is too late to contain it.

There are also other concerns because, as a new virus, it is still unpredictable.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 10:16:51
We used to have the Corona man come round on a Friday evening with his fizzy pop🥤


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 10:17:59
We used to have the Corona man come round on a Friday evening with his fizzy pop🥤

I remember him. I wonder what the death rate of that stuff was.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 10:19:24
We used to have the Corona man come round on a Friday evening with his fizzy pop🥤
Thursday in Gorse Hill where i grew up, Cherry was my favourite.

As for the virus, I see lots of rumours that it was created in a lab in China coming out on the US press, I doubt we will ever really know the truth. As FH says the unpredicability is the thing with this, it could well mutate yet.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 10:22:19
Why do these Ďthingsí invariably originate in China? Some suggest itís their poor animal welfare.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 10:26:18
We used to have the Corona man come round on a Friday evening with his fizzy pop🥤

I think the milkman used to bring it around. Fizzy pop and 2 pints of silver top.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 10:54:15
Why do these Ďthingsí invariably originate in China? Some suggest itís their poor animal welfare.
When you say "invariably", there's been two - SARS (aka bird flu) and this. But yes both have been ascribed as being due to poor animal welfare, or rather the initial outbreaks have been traced back to poor hygiene/welfare standards in open air livestock markets. Plenty of other such "panic pandemic" diseases that didn't come from China - Ebola and HIV for example more recently, or the "Spanish Flu" pandemic of the 20th century.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:01:10
It looks like only a matter of time before Coronavirus makes its way to blighty. But its ok, the US have the cure.

"Trump on Tuesday said the US was ďvery closeĒ to a coronavirus vaccine, which is at least a year away from being available in the best scenario. The White House later said the president was instead speaking about the Ebola vaccine approved two months ago."

Plank.
Encouragingly, he's now put Mike Pence in charge, a man who's public health policies (or rather lack of as he ignored the public health considerations in favour of ideology) were directly responsible for a widespread HIV outbreak in Indiana when he was governor.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/26/pence-record-on-hiv-crisis-criticized-as-trump-puts-him-in-charge-of-coronovirus/4887566002/

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/how-mike-pence-allowed-the-indiana-hiv-outbreak-to-spread/
So that will all work out fine.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:01:26
Spanish flu may have originated in China ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

Quote
One of the few regions of the world that were seemingly less affected by the 1918 flu pandemic was China, where there may have been a comparatively mild flu season in 1918 (although this is disputed, see #Less-affected areas). There were relatively few deaths from the flu in China compared to other regions of the world.[24][25] This has led to speculation that the 1918 flu pandemic originated from the country of China itself.[26][27][28][29] The relatively mild flu season and lower rates of flu mortality in China in 1918 may be explained due to the fact that the Chinese population had already possessed acquired immunity to the flu virus.[30] Thus in 1918, China was spared from the worst ravages of the pandemic, due to the apparent greater resistance to the virus among the Chinese population compared to other regions of the world[31][32]


But I get your point regardless.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:02:34
https://news.sky.com/story/cdc-which-facial-hair-styles-are-best-for-preventing-coronavirus-spread-11944169
I'm fucked....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:02:48
Im off to Naples start of Aprill. Would the club consider opening up Stratton Bank for me to watch our title run in?

 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:09:15
I've had a dry tickly cough for a few days now, no shortness of breath though. Well no more than normal.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:10:43
My Daughter's class have just returned from a skiing trip to northern Italy, and straight back to school. I'm sure none of them came into contact with the virus, but it's obviously going to be a concern for the next couple of weeks!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:11:30
I was in Rome last August.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:18:47
Spanish flu may have originated in China ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Bollocks :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:20:04
Anyone can be a carrier of the virus, but they may not get the symptoms til weeks/months down the line.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:20:37
https://news.sky.com/story/cdc-which-facial-hair-styles-are-best-for-preventing-coronavirus-spread-11944169
So this is a disease that could selectively wipe out hipsters? There's an upside to everything :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:02:05
My Daughter's class have just returned from a skiing trip to northern Italy, and straight back to school. I'm sure none of them came into contact with the virus, but it's obviously going to be a concern for the next couple of weeks!

You better not post on here for the next 14 days then!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:08:54
You better not post on here for the next 14 days then!

Or only post in this thread?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:23:51
You better not post on here for the next 14 days then!

 :D My daughter didn't go on the trip, but several of her friends did. I look forward to seeing you all at the CG on Tuesday  :puke:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:31:55
(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/88097755_2910501742350563_2982227442673909760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=CVyt--H3fkgAX_fWuGQ&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=95a3dff57e3263bfd2e8e120e7277944&oe=5EFB9D1E)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:32:53
Gnasher is going to kill everybody. If you see him outside then you should hit him with sticks and stuff.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:44:55
Gnasher is going to kill everybody. If you see him outside then you should hit him with sticks and stuff.

A long stick, to avoid contamination.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:46:57
Good point.

Better still - throw bricks from afar.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 12:50:50
Good point.

Better still - throw bricks from afar.

(http://www.khalidzaheer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/stonning-islam-fistis.jpg)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 15:45:53
The CDC stats show that the flu had a death rate of approximately 0.1% in 2018-2019.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

CDC only covers data extrapolated for the US. WHO covers data for...the world.

WHO states cases of severe seasonal flu are 3-5m, with 250k-600k deaths annually.

As I've already stated. The 2019-nCoV case rate is already starting to plateau. Especially in the countr(ies)y with most cases. China with around 79k of the 81/82k cases worldwide. Most other countries have very low cases. Only Italy seemingly having a higher case to death ratio. But we must stress. The numbers are still very small.

All this will be fucking chip paper by May.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 15:50:03
CDC only covers data extrapolated for the US. WHO covers data for...the world.

WHO states cases of severe seasonal flu are 3-5m, with 250k-600k deaths annually.

As I've already stated. The 2019-nCoV case rate is already starting to plateau. Especially in the countr(ies)y with most cases. China with around 79k of the 81/82k cases worldwide. Most other countries have very low cases. Only Italy seemingly having a higher case to death ratio. But we must stress. The numbers are still very small.

All this will be fucking chip paper by May.

Don't forget Iran is almost certainly lying about its numbers. They have a 10% death rate which doesn't correlate with the rest of the world.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:10:24

WHO states cases of severe seasonal flu are 3-5m, with 250k-600k deaths annually.


Provide the figures for ALL cases of flu or your numbers are meaningless and should be ignored.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:22:19
(1) Even if we had a figure for deaths from severe cases of coronavirus, how deadly a virus is in severe cases tells us nothing about how deadly it is to catch. That's a complete red herring.

(2)I couldn't find a figure for global infections so I extrapolated the figure for the US across the world...

39 million cases of flu in the US is about 12% of the population. Let's be slightly cautious and say it's 6% for the entire world(I know that could still be too high).

6% of the world's population is about 450,000,000.

Estimated flu deaths each year are 250,000-500,000

That gives a fatality rate of 0.055-0.11%

1. It wouldn't be "deadly to catch". It's likely it is highly contagious, like the flu. But SO FAR contagion to deaths is low and importantly (and already pointed out) the case rate has started to plateau.

2. I already mentioned the "Flu would have to have 500m cases worldwide" to match the 500k and 0.1%  US death data from CDC. Yet that would be a pure guess. Which would be understandable for Covid-19 as it doesn't have enough historical data. With Flu (for Worldwide figures), we should not be having to guess. You probs missed me mention it, amongst my letter to the Lancet.

I think we'll both be choosing figures that suit both our narratives but until Covid-19 epidemic has ended then we both won't know the real figures. Should be done with by May.

On another note, there is quite a bit about the source of Covid-19 being a developed and released pathogen (of a Flu variant) from a Lab in Wuhan.

What concerns me more is that the current UK government seemed very slow to react. Maybe they have information that means they didn't need to respond erratically or rush people home? Or maybe they're so inept that if a scenario developed, where a much quicker and contagious pathogen were leaked here, our current government don't appear as equipped to deal with or respond to a much more threatening outbreak. When mirrored to their recent response.

And yes this is coming from someone who previously worked in a capacity to respond to such attacks. I was confident back then and I was confident in my colleagues as well as any contingency. I'm sure plenty on here will have a good chuckle "NoShop?! Trained as part of an Emergency Response team relating to Chemical & Nuclear warfare? Massive lolz."

Anyway, that's another story.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:29:17
According to this, there were 29 million cases of flu in the USA. Itís the complications brought on by the flu that kills people.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/1300-people-died-flu-year/story?id=67754182


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:29:42
Provide the figures for ALL cases of flu or your numbers are meaningless and should be ignored.



Of course they should, oh master of the TEF.

I can only use world data that is available and that data comes from the WHO. Seeing as the WHO deal with data concerning the World and not just one country.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:33:13
Don't forget Iran is almost certainly lying about its numbers. They have a 10% death rate which doesn't correlate with the rest of the world.

Indeed but even then we are still taking very small numbers. I wouldn't necessarily trust Iranian press releases, then again - I don't trust many press releases any more   :-(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:34:33
You are trying to compare deaths from ALL instances of coronavirus with only SEVERE instances of the flu.

It's apples and pears. It tells us nothing.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:44:56
Iím off panic buying!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:47:17
2000 mile border with China, and Russia has 0 cases. Go figure.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:49:18
2000 mile border with China, and Russia has 0 cases. Go figure.
That Novichok has wiped the floor with Corona


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:51:16
Just reading a bit about the Spanish flu 1918 to 1920, killed 25 million in the first 25 weeks  :eek:
What was unusual is that it affected the young adults more than the elderly and young.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 16:57:28
Just reading a bit about the Spanish flu 1918 to 1920, killed 25 million in the first 25 weeks  :eek:
What was unusual is that it affected the young adults more than the elderly and young.

Killed more than the 1st and 2nd world war put together. I'm on a Local Govt corona committee and rolled that out last week. That stopped anyone panicking for sure.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:03:30
You are trying to compare deaths from ALL instances of coronavirus with only SEVERE instances of the flu.

It's apples and pears. It tells us nothing.

So basically you're disregarding Influenza data from the WHO?

I actually provided data from medium to severe flu and projected medium to severe case data from Covid-19 (amongst all the rambling). I know exactly the difference between ALL and SEVERE. No need to be so condescending Mr Flashheart. It's ok, I know shit becomes cyclical on here so;

If we take the current medium to severe case figures of c46k for Covid-19 and match that with current deaths c2.8k gives us a CFR (at present) of c6%

Do the same for Influenza Sub Type A (H1N1/H1N2) - aka Seasonal Flu - c3-5m medium to severe cases annually to deaths annually 250k - 600k (I'll use the middle for both if ok with you) so c4m (msc) to c400k (d) gives us a CFR of c10%. As previously stated the annual range can be 5% - 20%.

Anyway, I'm sure a percentage of you will be having a glorious tug about this in the Lounge  :pint:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:16:14
2000 mile border with China, and Russia has 0 cases. Go figure.

Russia has had 2 cases. However population and logistics isn't the most high end thing along that border so less chance of transmitting but it's still an interesting point.

Considering viruses like this trend to thrive in colder conditions it does raise a few questions as to why Russia, and Scandinavian countries have had only 1/2/3 cases so far? Maybe this is where Covid-19 is a little weaker and doesn't like it extreme cold?

Likely those cases are just from returning travellers but it makes for more interesting discussion than going back and forth over numbers.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:16:36
Anyway, I'm sure a percentage of you will be having a glorious tug about this in the Lounge  :pint:
I think you've rather overestimated the level of interest your flu debate is generating. Although tbf personally I'm finding it quite interesting :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:18:05
So basically you're disregarding Influenza data from the WHO?


Nope.

I am saying that you are comparing apples and pears.





Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:22:19
Incidentally, I found this:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If this is right, then out of all known active cases of coronavirus, 18% are considered to be serious or critical. I wonder how that would compare to the flu? My guess is that serious cases of the flu would be a much, much lower percentage of overall cases.

Having said that, I don't even know how 'serious' is being defined here.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: michael on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:29:25
Any data on man-flu mortality? Or being caught mid-ship?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:30:31
Any data on man-flu mortality?

100%+

I've died from it several times.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:35:23
Despite, I think, only 1 confirmed case in Greece, the government have ordered ALL carnivals throughout the country to be abandoned.

Talk about overkill


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:43:58
Nope.

I am saying that you are comparing apples and pears.





Well read the whole of that last response and you'll see I'm not. But whatever FH. Can't beat one of the Master & Commanders of the TEF :soapy tit wank:
Funny though, you do always target me on here as soon as you disagree with me. Yet there's tons of things we do agree on yet you never interact then?   :hmmm:

Incidentally, I found this:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If this is right, then out of all known active cases of coronavirus, 18% are considered to be serious or critical.

Having said that, I don't even know how 'serious' is being defined here.

Agreed. The term 'serious' could of course be defined/interpreted differently. This could easily change figures depending in how they wanted to be represented.

Makes me think of when big companies have research done, to make their product be percieved in a positive way. When independent research labs come out and have produced data that contrasts this. Phillip Morris at Big Tobacco would be a good example of disregarding independent data and using their "preferred" labs.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:48:43

Funny though, you do always target me on here as soon as you disagree with me. Yet there's tons of things we do agree on yet you never interact then?   :hmmm:


Blimey.

You are an odd one.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 17:56:29
That's nothing new but good way to avoid answering the question.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cookie on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 18:36:03
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/why-some-covid-19-cases-are-worse-than-others-67160

This is definitely a reliable source because the website has the word science in it. Some COVID-19 stats in there for the interested... 15% mortality rate for the over 80s, 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease, 7.3% for diabetes patients and 2.3% overall mortality although all are likely overestimated due to the number of mild cases not diagnosed. Still, these mortality rates are high and a significant number of people will be rightfully worried if they get it which is why the media is shitting the bed about this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 19:03:33
which is why the media is shitting the bed about this.
The media are shitting the bed about this because they know sensationalist scare stories sell papers and generate clicks. Not saying this isn't actually quite scary this time, but the media would be shitting the bed whether it was the new Black Death or the new Black Lace. They've long since given up on their primary duty of providing actual information.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 19:17:54
Not read this all the way through yet, but what I have read is interesting. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

The media are shitting the bed about this because they know sensationalist scare stories sell papers and generate clicks. Not saying this isn't actually quite scary this time, but the media would be shitting the bed whether it was the new Black Death or the new Black Lace. They've long since given up on their primary duty of providing actual information.

Ah the media.... from the tweetbox this morning...

Anna Roberts
@journoannie
CORONAVIRUS: Are you keeping your secondary school child at home because you think your child's school should be shut, but it isn't? If so email [email protected] or DM me, thanks, Anna


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 19:19:17
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/why-some-covid-19-cases-are-worse-than-others-67160

This is definitely a reliable source because the website has the word science in it. Some COVID-19 stats in there for the interested... 15% mortality rate for the over 80s, 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease, 7.3% for diabetes patients and 2.3% overall mortality although all are likely overestimated due to the number of mild cases not diagnosed.

Yet the headline itself is misleading "Why some Covid-19 cases are worse than others?"

Well the overriding factor is people. People with different levels of health/immune systems/toleration. The virus itself isn't known to have been mutating into other strains (yet). So the reason why some cases might be worse, isn't the virus so much but hoomans.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 19:21:57
Not read this all the way through yet, but what I have read is interesting. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

Ah the media.... from the tweetbox this morning...

Anna Roberts
@journoannie
CORONAVIRUS: Are you keeping your secondary school child at home because you think your child's school should be shut, but it isn't? If so email [email protected] or DM me, thanks, Anna

Ffs Anna! How to turn Mumsnet into a worried frenzy.

I think I may have read that Atlantic article already. May have been another but was definitely Atlantic.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 28, 2020, 05:11:21
Thereís got to be a chance of the Tokyo Olympics being called off if this doesnít settle down soon.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 28, 2020, 08:04:26
That's what? 5 new countries today?

Including Nigeria. Something like this might run riot in Africa.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, February 28, 2020, 08:33:12
We've only had 16 confirmed cases in the UK from nearly 8000 people tested.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Friday, February 28, 2020, 10:15:09
I'm reminded of this  :)

https://youtu.be/_Q_xpos5-XY


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Friday, February 28, 2020, 10:15:26
All this will be fucking chip paper by May.

This.

I'm taking sensible precautions, checking the news and following latest govt advice etc. but I don't buy into the doomsday predictions.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Friday, February 28, 2020, 10:17:29
Yep, bird flu, swine flu etc. A different strain appears from time to time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 28, 2020, 10:39:46
I'm inclined to go to the Winchester for a nice cold pint and just wait for it to blow over?

(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/85202603_1603217073165463_3272225992436875264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=Yq25MX3AurUAX8P9Ix6&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=5a1aa2487d43810cb6e86627852104ad&oe=5EB8F143)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 28, 2020, 11:03:19
Yep, bird flu, swine flu etc. A different strain appears from time to time.
Spot on 4D. We had the same panic over both of those


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 28, 2020, 11:09:41
https://www.facebook.com/groups/swindontownfcfans/permalink/2453283204923916/

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18268348.parent-tells-coronavirus-concerns-handshake-policy-goddard-park/

Jesus. Fucking. Wept. Self-isolation is clearly the only answer for people like these. They should be encouraged to lock themselves in their houses and not come out. Ever.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 28, 2020, 12:23:01
TBF  If it went to epic proportions in the UK I could see football postponements. Rugby have already done it for the Italy six nations games.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 28, 2020, 12:28:38
TBF  If it went to epic proportions in the UK I could see football postponements. Rugby have already done it for the Italy six nations games.

UAE Tour also gone pop, mid race.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 28, 2020, 12:57:16
TBF  If it went to epic proportions in the UK I could see football postponements. Rugby have already done it for the Italy six nations games.
Yes of course. But "Sounds like a very good chance the season could end this weekend. Tomorrow could be the last game.." is just twattery.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, February 28, 2020, 13:11:42
Spot on 4D. We had the same panic over both of those

Yep. Yet how many people in the UK (honestly) heard of or remembers MERS when it happened. Not to get into a "numbers" debate but that had a CFR of 34.4% ::)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 28, 2020, 14:05:58
MERS' mortality rate is one of the reasons containment was possible, same for Ebola & SARS.  High mortality rates combined with severe illness to most patients means they do not interact with others so freely.  That why this one has the "potential" to be a threat - a higher mortality rate (or so it seems based on what data is available so far) but still a very low one overall which means people are more likely to contract and pass on.

The reality is it doesn't even have to be a global event with high deaths to create a problem worthy of reporting - it already has due to the location of the original outbreak.  Supply chains have already been impacted, profits will be taking a hit right now, it's the economic impact this one will be remembered for, even if it goes on to be well contained.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 28, 2020, 14:19:40
The rhetoric from those that know about this stuff seems to be shifting towards inevitability.

We've had our first Brit casualty, apparently. 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, February 28, 2020, 14:24:55
Those who lurk in the corridors of power across the globe might not be overly upset if a significant percentage of over 80's for example were lost to the virus. This one or the next one. It matters not.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 28, 2020, 14:31:00
Those who lurk in the corridors of power across the globe might not be overly upset if a significant percentage of over 80's for example were lost to the virus. This one or the next one. It matters not.

They would in the UK, that's their powerbase!

We've had our first Brit casualty, apparently. 

We have albeit not in the UK.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 28, 2020, 14:49:17
They would in the UK, that's their powerbase!
Not only that, Priti Patel's relying on them to gather in the harvest and work in the care homes looking after themselves!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 28, 2020, 14:55:27
I've been wondering whether someone can sit Trump down in front of a TV and pop World War Z on, pretend it's news coverage and see if it changes his view on the effectiveness of big walls.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, February 28, 2020, 15:47:28
I've been wondering whether someone can sit Trump down in front of a TV and pop World War Z on, pretend it's news coverage and see if it changes his view on the effectiveness of big walls.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Close the thread. I could see him doing a press conference off the back of it. Maybe show him Cloverfield too and explain that it's footage recovered from the camera of a deceased witness. 28 Days Later would work too but he may recognise Christopher Eccleston as "isn't he that Dr dude?! I like him. Very intelligent. I would like him as my doctor."


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 28, 2020, 19:23:08
I would not be surprised if some games are played behind closed doors. WHO have declared their highest emergency level now - albeit without declaring a pandemic.

I'm not sure how that works TBH, surely it would have to be a pandemic at least to be the highest level?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 28, 2020, 19:49:38
Work colleagues are now gleefully preparing for the inevitable quarantine once the first confirmed case in Bristol emerges.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, February 28, 2020, 20:06:56
I'm not sure how that works TBH, surely it would have to be a pandemic at least to be the highest level?

I thought that too. Maybe it has to be ranked at the highest level for a sustained period until it is deemed a pandemic.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, February 28, 2020, 20:17:22
Another thought. Call me a dubious cunt (because that is what I am) but FUD. I wonder who high up the chain, has vested interests to make some cut price investments.

A nice wedge to be made by anyone if investing is your game. If you're looking to get in, this is an opportunity. This won't affect the markets forever and your investments will soon be up.*

With fear, uncertainty and doubt being spread by misinformation you can look back in a year and be happy you put in a grand or whatever you can afford.




*They may go down before they go up but that's fine, chance to buy in cheaper. More gains later on  :pint:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, February 28, 2020, 20:34:29
There will be some bargains to be had for sure. In crashes like this, even companies and industries that aren't effected can get trashed. I'd beware of companies that it will have a material impact on trading though, even if you think it will be short lived. Some without strong balance sheets will be pushed to the brink, even if does fizzle out.

Another way to think about it is, which companies will benefit if it carries on? Home delivery services for example. NCYT has had a pretty huge rise because they've got a testing kit I think, I haven't looked into how well positioned they are to capitalise.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 28, 2020, 20:48:31
It has brought a funny story, for me given my industry, around investments.  For all the glitz and glamour, algorithms and high flyers making decisions, Zoom Technologies keeps getting a share price boost thanks to being of a similar name to Zoom Video Communications.  On the day the latter launched their IPO, the former saw their share price go from 0.005 cents per share to $5!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, February 28, 2020, 21:27:44
It has brought a funny story, for me given my industry, around investments.  For all the glitz and glamour, algorithms and high flyers making decisions, Zoom Technologies keeps getting a share price boost thanks to being of a similar name to Zoom Video Communications.  On the day the latter launched their IPO, the former saw their share price go from 0.005 cents per share to $5!

Did you have any shares Rob? That's the kind of anomaly to spot/predict.  For fun though it would be worthwhile diversifying in several shares under a similar name of an established company. I'm no pro at all but my own take is when the common or "media" traders tell you things are bad and we should sell. I buy.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, February 28, 2020, 21:55:47
Did you have any shares Rob? That's the kind of anomaly to spot/predict.  For fun though it would be worthwhile diversifying in several shares under a similar name of an established company. I'm no pro at all but my own take is when the common or "media" traders tell you things are bad and we should sell. I buy.

That's called contrarian trading. It can be hugely successful, if you get it right. The old dear's fella made a bundle on investing in house builders at the height of the global financial crisis. As I mentioned before you have to be careful that whoever you invest in can ride out the storm, and it's also when hidden problems tend to come out. As Warren Buffet said, 'Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked.'


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 28, 2020, 22:03:36
Every trader or share dealer should be made to work in a coal mine or an abattoir for a month. Mainly just for being useless human beings with no purpose, except self purpose.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, February 28, 2020, 22:09:17
Every trader or share dealer should be made to work in a coal mine or an abattoir for a month. Mainly just for being useless human beings with no purpose, except self purpose.

Yeah, if you want to hate humanity more you should read some of the discussion boards for Ncyt. People getting excited about the spread of the virus. It's the same with oil stocks and probably loads of other things I haven't thought of, glee about conflict in the Middle East etc.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 28, 2020, 22:16:55
I'm good as i am without getting more depressed about things thanks!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, February 28, 2020, 23:28:18
That's called contrarian trading. It can be hugely successful, if you get it right. The old dear's fella made a bundle on investing in house builders at the height of the global financial crisis. As I mentioned before you have to be careful that whoever you invest in can ride out the storm, and it's also when hidden problems tend to come out. As Warren Buffet said, 'Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked.'

Indeed. I have several investments in various places. It is a high risk strategy but with certain ones I'm sure they have the capital behind them, to "ride out" multiple set backs. I'm also prepared/comfortable knowing I can afford to lose what I've put in. Nothing is at risk per se (only what I've put in) and most of them are long term investments.

There are two or three that have very consistent trading patterns on a month to month basis. These are considered very high risk but I would be comfortable rolling the dice on them more so than some of my football bets. More often than not people don't get involved because they hear the top end horror stories of people putting all their eggs into one thing and then some more (that they don't have). When it goes tits up they are truly fucked.

Once I get to a certain position, I'll take out what I put in then "play" with a chunk and leave some just to mature (hopefully).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 14:43:50
https://ivygrove.org.uk/coronavirus.html#mythbuster

An official guidance-cum-myth sheet. I'm not sure but it seems to be targeting very thick, beer swilling racists mostly.

A lot of the "questions" on there are incredible but the penultimate one...well. I'll let you all have some fun with this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 15:21:47
https://ivygrove.org.uk/coronavirus.html#mythbuster

An official guidance-cum-myth sheet. I'm not sure but it seems to be targeting very thick, beer swilling racists mostly.

A lot of the "questions" on there are incredible but the penultimate one...well. I'll let you all have some fun with this.

You need to have a word with them about their figures  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 15:38:01
You need to have a word with them about their figures  ;)

 :soapy tit wank: You got me there!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Crispy on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 18:52:08
Cheltenham Festival 13/8 to get called off due to the virus.

https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/racing-specials/cheltenham-festival/cheltenham-festival-specials/will-racing-go-ahead-cheltenham-10th-mar


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:19:20
Cheltenham Festival 13/8 to get called off due to the virus.
Racing people will bet on anything :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:20:45
France has banned all gatherings of over 5000 people.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:21:33
France has banned all indoor gatherings of over 5000 people.
Makes a difference


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:22:53
Is a football stadium indoors or outdoors?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:23:36
Is a football stadium indoors or outdoors?
Hmm, good question. Ask the French :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:37:28
Makes a difference

If that happens here I lose work on 2 Lewis Capaldi shows and a Pussycat Dolls tour.

I wonder if it falls under force majeure or will my employers claim on insurance and honour my wages.

If not, anyone want to buy a kidney?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:44:31
Hmm, good question. Ask the French :)

We donít need to now we have left the EU. 🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:48:08
We donít need to now we have left the EU. 🤣🤣🤣
As usual, spectacularly missing the point. Woosh


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:49:23
If that happens here I lose work on 2 Lewis Capaldi shows and a Pussycat Dolls tour.

I wonder if it falls under force majeure or will my employers claim on insurance and honour my wages.
Surely they'd be insured for that if it's by govt order? Same as claiming on holiday insurance if the Foreign Office put your destination on a "Oooh, I wouldn't if I were you" list?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 20:59:04
We do have cancellation insurance.  Depends on the terms.  Acts of God and Force Majeure can be used to get out of an awful lot buy insurers.  We'll see. 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 21:00:17
We do have cancellation insurance.  Depends on the terms.  Acts of God and Force Majeure can be used to get out of an awful lot buy insurers.  We'll see. 
Fingers crossed for you. If it starts to have a serious economic impact, I'm looking at a triple whammy on top of Brexit and IR35. Oh happy days.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 21:02:16
I'm hoping it will fuck up the Baht.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 21:04:05
I'm hoping it will fuck up the Baht.
Bit harsh, STFCBarts's not even posted on here for ages


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Crispy on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 21:12:34
Racing people will bet on anything :)

They certainly will! Currently £672,851 matched on the market.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 02:08:04
https://bossip.com/1846042/yall-are-so-dumb-38-of-ale-adoring-americans-are-avoiding-corona-beer-because-of-coronavirus/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Small model but still. Correlates with my earlier posting RE:Factsheet-cum-Mythbuster!

 :pint:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 13:18:28
https://bossip.com/1846042/yall-are-so-dumb-38-of-ale-adoring-americans-are-avoiding-corona-beer-because-of-coronavirus/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Small model but still. Correlates with my earlier posting RE:Factsheet-cum-Mythbuster!

 :pint:
Although it's actually a load of bollocks, and 38% of Americans did NOT say they wouldn't drink Corona because of the coronavirus. Just misleading PR guff.

https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/are-38-percent-of-americans-avoiding


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 14:43:07
Can you still get 10p back on the bottle ?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 14:59:01
Time to jump off a cliff, what with Brexit and the Conservatives in for a decade. Achoo, achoo.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cheltred on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 15:03:18
Is a football stadium indoors or outdoors?
I think they said this does not apply to football


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 15:35:12
How many deaths have the UK had?

ĎCemeteries and crematoriums are also reported to be drawing up plans to deal with a rise in bodies, with families possibly being allowed to hold funerals in their homes, schools, pubs or hotels if churches and chapels become overwhelmed.í


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ronnie21 on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 15:42:18
Confirmed case just over the border in Tetbury, getting closer


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 15:51:45
there's currently only 35 cases confirmed  in Britain.

obviously it could get far far far worse.

I think I heard government contingency planning is made on a 70% population infection rate.

if my maffs ain't screwy, that's 464K deaths.


let's hope we get nowhere near worst case


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 15:54:56
Iíve had a sore throat for 3 days. Itís the first sign apparently!

Run for the hills!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 16:32:53
there's currently only 35 cases confirmed  in Britain.

...and I think if we're all honest, we know it'll be significantly more in reality.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 19:07:21
Although it's actually a load of bollocks, and 38% of Americans did NOT say they wouldn't drink Corona because of the coronavirus. Just misleading PR guff.

https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/are-38-percent-of-americans-avoiding

My error but I read it as 38% of 737 people interviewed and not the whole of the USA of course. But if it's bollocks my only excuse (and poor one) is I read it at 1am and pretty much posted it here after reading so didn't check!

How many deaths have the UK had?

ĎCemeteries and crematoriums are also reported to be drawing up plans to deal with a rise in bodies, with families possibly being allowed to hold funerals in their homes, schools, pubs or hotels if churches and chapels become overwhelmed.í

That's quote is horribly scaremongering towards the public way more than is necessary. There aren't going to be mass deaths here from it. Yes a lot of people may catch it (still believe the numbers will be small relatively) but a lot aren't going to die and not in genocidal impacting style ways.

Think the operative word there is "if".

1. there's currently only 35 cases confirmed  in Britain.
2. obviously it could get far far far worse.
3. let's hope we get nowhere near worst case

I'm sure you're aware Batch but;

1. Confirmed cases really doesn't mean confirmed deaths. I wish the media would stop painting it like this.
2. It could but it won't get far, far, far worse here.
3. We won't. 450k-500k UK Deaths is quite frankly not going to happen in a year or even 10 years.

Just for a look at a different virus, which seemingly doesn't stop people going about their day to day lives;

Mosquito-borne diseases kill around 3000 people per day, every year. Many have conveniently forgotten about the fucking Zika virus though, of which there's no specific treatment for it. Yet we don't see everyone in those affected countries losing their shit "just in case they get it". No one sunbathes in Brazil do they? Yet Zika has an 8.3% CFR. Malaria has, wait for it, 200 million new cases reported every year too.

https://www.who.int/news-room/facts-in-pictures/detail/malaria

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876034118300431


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 19:16:58
of course I know the difference between cases and deaths . 400k deaths is 70% of UK population infected, 1% mortality.

I'm not saying we'll get a 70% infection rate. I've no idea. it'll hopefully be like sars/bird flu/swine flu. nasty  but nowhere near as bad as could be.

I'm just pointing out the reason the government is talking in those terms  is because they are planning to worst case.

if they didn't plan to that, they'd be negligent.

scarring the public may have a positive effect on this case anyway. namely self isolation precautions where needed, and being more sanitary in hygine.

.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 19:33:25
Sorry. I agree with all of that except the last bit. Well it'll have a positive effect for the government, by doing what they love doing...keeping people in their demographic boxes. I can understand what you're thinking though.

I just feel the pudding is being over-egged way more than necessary and that's my personal opinion. If only then, the government were this proactive and zero tolerant when it came to humanitarian issues like racism and suchlike.

Unfortunately, they'll only really worry anyway when it has a danger of effecting their investment funds (which in some markets, may have already done) "call to action!"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 19:45:06
My error but I read it as 38% of 737 people interviewed and not the whole of the USA of course. But if it's bollocks my only excuse (and poor one) is I read it at 1am and pretty much posted it here after reading so didn't check!
It's not even that. 38% of the 737 said they didn't intend to drink Corona, but that wasn't related to coronavirus, just they didn't intend to drink it because (e.g.) they didn't drink it normally anyway. Only 4% of the 737 said they didn't intend to carry on drinking Corona and it's not clear whether that is because of coronavirus or just because. As a proper pollster commented in the factcheck piece of the claim that 38% of Americans are going to stop drinking Corona because of coronavirus "It's a sensational, inaccurate, and flat-out dumb thing to say that is not based in the data at all."


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 19:46:59
Mosquito-borne diseases kill around 3000 people per day, every year. Many have conveniently forgotten about the fucking Zika virus though, of which there's no specific treatment for it. Yet we don't see everyone in those affected countries losing their shit "just in case they get it". No one sunbathes in Brazil do they? Yet Zika has an 8.3% CFR. Malaria has, wait for it, 200 million new cases reported every year too.
Yeah but they're all foreign people so they don't count. This could affect British people for Gods' sake!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 21:24:37
Yeah but they're all foreign people so they don't count. This could affect British people for Gods' sake!

Zika? Iíll raise you with Ebola.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 21:28:53
It's not even that. 38% of the 737 said they didn't intend to drink Corona, but that wasn't related to coronavirus...As a proper pollster commented in the factcheck piece of the claim that 38% of Americans are going to stop drinking Corona because of coronavirus "It's a sensational, inaccurate, and flat-out dumb thing to say that is not based in the data at all."

Quoted and noted  ;)

Yeah but they're all foreign people so they don't count. This could affect British people for Gods' sake!

I know! I know! Bloody disgusting that God hasn't waded in on this and had his say! After all it is usually his "way".


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Monday, March 2, 2020, 20:13:06
3 cases in my town now. Imported from Italy. I preferred pasta and Sergio tachinni


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 11:18:24
Not really been following this much, because frankly, i don't care. Its mass propaganda and scaremongering.

Had an email from a colleague in the states telling me that someone legitimately arrived to work yesterday in full hazmat suit. I have not reason to believe this person is lying.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 11:58:52
Not being one to read the tabloids, all I've read is mostly 'sober' reporting on what the WHO are saying.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 12:33:19
i don't care. Its mass propaganda and scaremongering.

The press are certainly reporting what *could* happen in a sensationalist way. But its hardly bullshit, just may not happen.

The govenment are very much preparing for the worst and hoping (and taking measures) for the best.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 13:05:53
Iím struggling to make sense of the governmentís scenario.

So far, there have been 90,000 cases of Coronavirus with approx 3000 deaths - worldwide.

The government reckons thereís a possibility of 48 million cases and 500,000 deaths - in the UK!

Bring out yer dead!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 13:18:19
Are you looking forward to your visit in a few weeks Aud? :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 13:26:22
The government reckons thereís a possibility of 48 million cases and 500,000 deaths - in the UK!

Possibility not probability. Its too late to plan if things turn for the worst.

Hancock was on radio 4 earlier, it was pointed out that 2-4% of the population needing hospitalisation would be 2 million+ - hence no chance - hence home nursing. Said they were in the process of buying use at home respirators!

Timeframe given for it to get worse was "weeks" and timeframe for getting back tgo normal  was months.

But again - what *could* happen not will.
--

its much like bird flu to my mind. The government stockpiled tamiflu - then realised it didn't do as muuch as they thought. Thankfully not needed en-mass.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 13:34:35
It's akin to buying travel insurance.

The chances are that you will not need to use it, but you'd be very glad that you did have it if you did need it.

Could you imagine if it did hit the country and the government had no plans to deal with it? That, and it's all very well of accusing people of scaremongering, but the chances of it becoming a pandemic would likely switch from possible to inevitable if measures were not taken to contain it.

If it does not become a pandemic, then the reason would probably be down to the restrictions that have been made on movement and what not. Still, you'd get rather a lot of people saying the restrictions were all a waste of time because the pandemic didn't happen *logic*


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 14:10:53
Are you looking forward to your visit in a few weeks Aud? :)
Yep. Iíll be there OK.

Unless football has been turned off!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 14:22:05
There are plenty of valid reasons on a daily basis to criticise this government.

Preparing for the worst in this scenario isnít one of them. They have to do it, it would be downright irresponsible to not plan in this way, it certainly isnít scaremongering.

Iím sure the plans would be a shambles should the worst occur but thatís not the point
 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 16:45:16
All the best people.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1234661401488052226

I think we need a vaccination against stupidity?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 16:57:27
(https://i.postimg.cc/jqgHkd4q/Untitled.png)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 17:17:38
(https://i.postimg.cc/jqgHkd4q/Untitled.png)

Fair fucking play from RC-C there. I think he's redeemed himself.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 17:22:59
Fair fucking play from RC-C there. I think he's redeemed himself.
Just for the record, I made it up ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 17:23:18
Fair fucking play from RC-C there. I think he's redeemed himself.

I think that's going to turn out to be a parody account.

Just for the record, I made it up ;)

Ah, damn good work.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 17:28:10
Just for the record, I made it up ;)

Glad to have been well and truly rogered on that one. Would love it if he tweeted it though. Would show great humility.

Good work and happy returns for the other  :pint:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 17:28:34
I think that's going to turn out to be a parody account.

Ah, damn good work.

Indeed. I love it  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 17:29:24
Glad to have been well and truly rogered on that one. Would love it if he tweeted it though. Would show great humility.

Good work and happy returns for the other  :pint:
Thank you :)

Yes I think RCC went to tweet it but the phone slipped through his hands onto the floor ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 17:37:09
Thank you :)

Yes I think RCC went to tweet it but the phone slipped through his hands onto the floor ;)

Welcome.

Booom booom! I did tell him that wearing "Magic" gloves from the Flea market were not the kind of sponsors he should be attracting. He took my advice and invested in Flora instead  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 18:19:05
Neville southall tweeted that yesterday


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 18:58:06
Neville southall tweeted that yesterday

Yeah he did, Max Rushden retweeted it. Tres amuseant whoever made it up!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 18:58:29
Think can safely say that the cyclists being quarantined after the UAE Tour was halted mid race are getting bored now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sr9eFRw0XA


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 19:02:18
Yeah he did, Max Rushden retweeted it. Tres amuseant whoever made it up!
Indeed, I take no credit for the joke, but I added RCC to it and changed the words a little as hes a much more useless keeper than Southall ever was and ex Town too.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 12:33:16
Scientists: you should wash your hands because of Coronavirus.

People: I'm gonna stop flying, hoard masks, work from home & totally rearrange my life.

Also Scientists: the climate crisis will kill millions - we must use clean power & change how we get to work.

Same people: No way.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Briggany on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 14:10:04
Problem is I don't think we can afford to be blase about it, or be dismissive of those that are genuinely worried. It does spread faster than the common cold or flu, and it does currently have a higher mortality rate based on reported cases (not including cases that aren't detected), that's going by the number scientists are putting out there on a plethora of non media sites.

I'm not worried about catching the virus as I am 30 and fairly healthy (bar asthma), I could handle it. What I am slightly concerned about is catching it and then giving it to my 88 year old Grandad who survived Shingles, Bowel Cancer, and a stroke in the last 4 years, along with the two major surgeries and as a result has the immune system of a kebab. He catches it and he will not cope well with it and most likely succumb to the disease its causes. Grandma would also not deal with it as she is ill all the time and has the added hardship of dementia and not eating enough.

I think the media are hyping it up a bit, but most countries are making decisions and giving out updated based on facts and scientific evidence. You can't tell me that all these powerful organisations are also buying into the hype the media are creating?

Whats annoying is all the panic buying, but I can understand it as its the human condition to try and increase your odds of survival by preparing. Everyone should always have a few extra days worth of tinned food just incase something happens, not a massive stockpile but enough to get you through a few days.

I will definitely be buying an extra tin of soups or beans on my next shop but not filling up a trolly with a months supply. 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 14:26:29
I'm going to ask the misses to go out and buy a load of food and stuff.

I'm not panicking about the virus, but I'd better at least get something in before everybody else goes on a panic.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 14:33:33
Thereís a flock of sheep not 50 yards from our door. They wonít miss one!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 14:40:40

I think the media are hyping it up a bit.

I'm restricting my news source on it to the BBC's website and, as shite as they have been in recent months, they are doing a pretty good job of reporting the facts only.

If people are getting their news from the tabloids then they only have themselves to blame. Not that I'm accusing anybody of that, except for those that are.

Has the daily mail managed to blame Muslims yet?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 14:41:03
Australia had a serious outbreak of panic buying toilet roll. People were buying literally dozens of rolls, trolleys full. I mean, tissues I could kind of understand but bog roll? WTF?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 14:48:28
My best mate was hanging out with his mate from Australia and dropped her off at the airport on Saturday.

She's just tested positive for Coronavirus and he has to be quarantined for two weeks. Hope he doesn't have it as I was at the Scunny game with him on Tuesday!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 15:05:17
You probably do - this is what the increased testing is going to show, lots of people do because it's been out and about travelling the world for months.  The mortality rate will drop as a result, but that doesn't mean it's not something to worry about - the impact on the elderly is going to be the thing to watch.  The nursing home in Washington State and the Cruise Ship being good examples of what will happen when those at risk in confined spaces can expect to face once exposed.  For most of us, the Aussie bog roll approach is probably all we'd need to worry about IF we never saw another human being and could transfer it on.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 15:06:21
As it happens, I've booked a cruise - the prices were slashed and I imagine it will be much less busy than normal.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 15:15:24
Australia had a serious outbreak of panic buying toilet roll. People were buying literally dozens of rolls, trolleys full. I mean, tissues I could kind of understand but bog roll? WTF?

They have dock leaves there too  ???


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 15:19:12
My best mate was hanging out with his mate from Australia and dropped her off at the airport on Saturday.

She's just tested positive for Coronavirus and he has to be quarantined for two weeks. Hope he doesn't have it as I was at the Scunny game with him on Tuesday!

Not MP?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 15:30:26
Has the daily mail managed to blame Muslims yet?

https://newsthump.com/2020/03/05/uks-best-racists-working-round-the-clock-to-blame-coronavirus-on-sadiq-khan/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 15:46:14
It shocks me how many men don't wash their hands after using public urinals and very often after taking a dump - just straight out the door afterwards. Filthy animals.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 15:52:28
I think I have an order that might be coming from China, there isn't a restriction on goods is there?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 16:34:20
I think I have an order that might be coming from China, there isn't a restriction on goods is there?
No, it doesn't survive on surfaces for more than a few days, if that.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 16:35:50
https://newsthump.com/2020/03/05/uks-best-racists-working-round-the-clock-to-blame-coronavirus-on-sadiq-khan/
Less amusinlgy there's already been racist attacks as a result of the virus. Or using the virus as an excuse, might be more accurate


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 22:03:57
A great footballer, but:

(https://i.imgur.com/2rc00mr.png)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 22:07:47
Less amusinlgy there's already been racist attacks as a result of the virus. Or using the virus as an excuse, might be more accurate

I witnessed a black guy deliberately bump into a Chinese guy today. When the Chinese guy asked what the problem was, he was told to " Fuck off you coronavirus shit" The human race is fantastic.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 22:33:55
What a prick.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, March 5, 2020, 22:38:02
It shocks me how many men don't wash their hands after using public urinals and very often after taking a dump - just straight out the door afterwards. Filthy animals.

I think I was definitely in the minority in washing my hands when I left the delightful toilets in the Townend on Tuesday



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 6, 2020, 12:34:19
WHO has revised the mortality rate to 3.4%.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 6, 2020, 12:47:52
WHO has revised the mortality rate to 3.4%.
To be clear, that is a mortality rate for reported cases. Which is, obviously, accurate for what it is, but can give rise to some misleadingly alarming headlines about how deadly it actually is. Without wanting to do a Trump, it's likely the mortality rate for all cases is significantly lower as there will be many thousands of undeclared and undetected cases that do not result in death

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-who-director-generals-comments-that-3-4-of-reported-covid-19-cases-have-died-globally/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 6, 2020, 12:56:47
Thanks Paul, I think we are all aware of that. *

The point is that it still appears to be killing more people than previously thought.

*That was a bit more 'bitey' than was intended, but the 'akshuallys' on social media in general recently have been grating a tad.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 6, 2020, 13:01:03
Meanwhile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA1wqjaeKj0


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, March 6, 2020, 13:15:12
It shocks me how many men don't wash their hands after using public urinals and very often after taking a dump - just straight out the door afterwards. Filthy animals.
Trouble is,  no matter how well you wash your hands if the guy in front of you hasn't what's the first thing you do ??, use the same door handle to get out of the bogs,  makes the whole thing a pointless exercise !!.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 6, 2020, 13:18:39
Trouble is,  no matter how well you wash your hands if the guy in front of you hasn't what's the first thing you do ??, use the same door handle to get out of the bogs,  makes the whole thing a pointless exercise !!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77IZttD_pU8 (1:5o) onwards


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Gnasher on Friday, March 6, 2020, 13:22:26
Trouble is,  no matter how well you wash your hands if the guy in front of you hasn't what's the first thing you do ??, use the same door handle to get out of the bogs,  makes the whole thing a pointless exercise !!.

I wait for someone else to either walk in or walk out, then hold the door open with my foot. This can be an issue in some underused public conveniences, where you could wait hours or even days before someone else walks in.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, March 6, 2020, 13:24:53
I wait for someone else to either walk in or walk out, then hold the door open with my foot. This can be an issue in some underused public conveniences, where you could wait hours or even days before someone else walks in.
   :D :D


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 6, 2020, 13:26:04
Trouble is,  no matter how well you wash your hands if the guy in front of you hasn't what's the first thing you do ??, use the same door handle to get out of the bogs,  makes the whole thing a pointless exercise !!.
It really doesn't. By the same logic, there's no point ever having a bath or shower because at some point you'll just get dirty again. Obviously at some point you will use your hands and they will come into contact with an unclean surface. The point is to keep washing your hands regularly to mitigate the chances of the virus spreading.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 6, 2020, 13:27:50
I might wear some disposable gloves to the game tomorrow.
Are we still likely to be frisked at the turnstiles?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 6, 2020, 13:46:40
I might wear some disposable gloves to the game tomorrow.
Are we still likely to be frisked at the turnstiles?
If you ask nicely


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 6, 2020, 16:52:43
First case reported in Swindon


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, March 6, 2020, 16:54:46
First case reported in Swindon
Mask as well as gloves tomorrow then.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Friday, March 6, 2020, 16:55:37
No worries, I'm coming from Reading tomorrow where we had the first death and we've had loads of confirmed cases. Super spreader.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 6, 2020, 16:57:56
Mask as well as gloves tomorrow then.
Gimp?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, March 6, 2020, 17:32:03
Seen this earlier....

Quote
Less than 0.5% of patients aged under 50 have died, according to the Chinese Centres of Disease Control.

However, that figure spikes rapidly to:

1.3% in their 50s
3.6% in their 60s
8% in their 70s
15% over 80
These are not the true death rates, as some patients still being treated may yet die and many mild cases are going unnoticed.

And those who were already sick

The death rate for people with no other health problems is 0.9%.

However, this rises to:

6% in people with high blood pressure
6% in people with long-term lung problems such as those caused by a lifetime of smoking
7% in people with diabetes
11% in people with cardiovascular disease


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, March 6, 2020, 23:06:34
Obviously as this continues 1000s of businesses will suffer reduced revenue. As this is a football forum however, imagine the effects on lower league clubs if games were played behind closed doors. premier league etc dont need fans due to tv. would season ticket holders be given refunds? would you ask for it back if you couldn't watch again this season but knowing that the club would suffer huge financials?

clubs suffer in the summer without games but that can be forecasted.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: china red on Saturday, March 7, 2020, 09:50:44
Potentially could just make Ifollow available to everyone, possibly not going to get the same kind of revenue but could help


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 9, 2020, 13:54:17
With the death rate in Italy shooting up over the weekend, they're now seeing a mortality rate of about 4.9% of *confirmed* cases. That's a lot worse than even the WHO figures last week.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 9, 2020, 13:57:31
With the death rate in Italy shooting up over the weekend, they're now seeing a mortality rate of about 4.9% of *confirmed* cases. That's a lot worse than even the WHO figures last week.

One thing to note in Italy is the age distribution. Italy has a larger proportion of older citizens due to the birth rate of 1.9, which means that the population is shrinking and the average age is increasing, this is not the case in other countries. Consequently the mortality rate is likely to be higher.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, March 9, 2020, 14:33:43
Italy actually has the 5th highest average age in the world - so on that basis it makes a lot of sense.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 9, 2020, 15:18:11
The death rate of confirmed cases is at nearly 4% in America, although they have a fucked up health system.

And US stocks tumble 7% as soon as they open before being temporarily halted. Lots of people reckon it's going to be a seriously bad crash.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RedRag on Monday, March 9, 2020, 15:25:42
Potentially could just make Ifollow available to everyone, possibly not going to get the same kind of revenue but could help
Because temporary and exceptional and with the club retaining 70% of the fee it could certainly help.  By no means impossible that it will come to this.  Although a few mates or families gathered together would diminish viewer revenue potential, unlike actual gates at the CG.  

Perhaps some advertising might help also, eg Andrex, handgel and tinned food?  Imagine Cruising by contrast can't be too optimistic at present.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 9, 2020, 15:43:49
The death rate of confirmed cases is at nearly 4% in America, although they have a fucked up health system.

And US stocks tumble 7% as soon as they open before being temporarily halted. Lots of people reckon it's going to be a seriously bad crash.

Did I read somewhere that if you get compulsorily quarantined in a US hospital you have to pay for the privilege, nice!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 9, 2020, 15:51:38
Because temporary and exceptional and with the club retaining 70% of the fee it could certainly help.  By no means impossible that it will come to this.  Although a few mates or families gathered together would diminish viewer revenue potential, unlike actual gates at the CG. 

If it came to closed door games or a delay in the season then the FA will have to work out how to financially help out the likes of us. Assuming the Government doesn't legislate financial relaxation to help cashflow.

iFollow revenues won't cut it .


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 9, 2020, 15:53:03
Did I read somewhere that if you get compulsorily quarantined in a US hospital you have to pay for the privilege, nice!

Land of the free...but not in cash terms.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 9, 2020, 15:54:58
Did I read somewhere that if you get compulsorily quarantined in a US hospital you have to pay for the privilege, nice!
There was a guy on the radio the other day explaining why they have and will continue to have a massive rate of underdetection and hence more infections due to not diagnosing cases who then continue to wander round infecting people. At the moment, they don't have enough testing kits. They're ramping up production but it's going to be a race as to whether they can outstrip the rate of the virus spreading. Even if they do, lots of people who should be getting tested won't because while the tests themselves are free, associated costs will vary from state to state and even hospital to hospital. In some places it will be completely free. In others, the test will be free but the patient will be expected to pay for the doctor/nurse to administer the test, the lab time to analyse the results, the room in the hospital where the test is administered etc i..e only the test kit will be free, you'll get billed for everything else which could run into 1000s of dollars. Add in that there's no paid sick leave in the US and lots of people are not going to be able to afford to self-isolate or to even get tested to see if they should. It's a recipe for a disastrous failure to contain the spread.

Never has the case been so starkly made that the NHS and the welfare state are a public good from which we all benefit.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, March 9, 2020, 16:07:06
If it came to closed door games or a delay in the season then the FA will have to work out how to financially help out the likes of us. Assuming the Government doesn't legislate financial relaxation to help cashflow.

iFollow revenues won't cut it .

I do wonder actually. 70% of income from iFollow subs at £10 in the UK - I wonder if the club clear £7 net on tickets once all matchday costs have been accounted for. If average ticket price is say £16 with STs and concessions (and I bet it's less), £7 would be over 40% margin, which I'll wager is rather more than we make on matchdays. Just a question of how many people would sign up.

Worst thing is it could create a habit...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 9, 2020, 16:13:57
One thing I didn't realise is how much more widespread this already is compared to other major viruse outbreaks. I've always said its going to be like SARS was...but it isn't



             Year        Cases      Deaths      Mort     Countries
Ebola      1976,      33577,    13562,      40.4,     9
Nipah      1998,         513,        398,      77.6,     2
SARS      2002,       8096,        774,       9.6,      29
MERS      2012,       2494,        858,      34.4,     28   
COVID-19 2020,  111365,      3892,        3.5      102

Thank crap that the mortality rate is "only" 3.5% in mostly in "Rooney terroritory".
If it really takes hold though....but I guess signs from China are encouraging


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 9, 2020, 16:17:29
I do wonder actually. 70% of income from iFollow subs at £10 in the UK - I wonder if the club clear £7 net on tickets once all matchday costs have been accounted for. If average ticket price is say £16 with STs and concessions (and I bet it's less), £7 would be over 40% margin, which I'll wager is rather more than we make on matchdays. Just a question of how many people would sign up.

Worst thing is it could create a habit...

You have a point, season ticket holders would presumably get it free (home games)? Plus a fair few technophobes that wouldn't bother/be able to.

Its interesting point you make though. Could be right.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 9, 2020, 16:25:47
There was a guy on the radio the other day explaining why they have and will continue to have a massive rate of underdetection and hence more infections due to not diagnosing cases who then continue to wander round infecting people.

Amazing how much America and Iran are similar (Iran do not test which is why its been so lively over there!)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 9, 2020, 16:43:49
I guess signs from China are encouraging
They're not. The Chinese have basically imposed martial law over wide areas of the country to contain it, including the full nine yards of Cultural Revolution style public beatings, disappearing people etc. Not sure any western country would be prepared to accept that so we can't really draw much from their model


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 9, 2020, 16:48:19
Weíre booked in to visit at the end of the month. Iíve got no problem with it but Mrs Audrey had a very bad bout of pneumonia a few years back which left her with a scarred lung. Not surprisingly, sheís a bit more wary.

Not sure what to do, tbh.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 9, 2020, 17:34:40
My boy's just been telling me all about the carbonaravirus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 9, 2020, 17:48:20
My boy's just been telling me all about the carbonaravirus.
It's highly contagious, let's hope he hasn't pasta it on


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 9, 2020, 17:58:59
It's highly contagious, let's hope he hasn't pasta it on
Was that a linguinistic error?

Or a slip of the penne?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 9, 2020, 19:06:59
There was a guy on the radio the other day explaining why they have and will continue to have a massive rate of underdetection and hence more infections due to not diagnosing cases who then continue to wander round infecting people. At the moment, they don't have enough testing kits. They're ramping up production but it's going to be a race as to whether they can outstrip the rate of the virus spreading. Even if they do, lots of people who should be getting tested won't because while the tests themselves are free, associated costs will vary from state to state and even hospital to hospital. In some places it will be completely free. In others, the test will be free but the patient will be expected to pay for the doctor/nurse to administer the test, the lab time to analyse the results, the room in the hospital where the test is administered etc i..e only the test kit will be free, you'll get billed for everything else which could run into 1000s of dollars. Add in that there's no paid sick leave in the US and lots of people are not going to be able to afford to self-isolate or to even get tested to see if they should. It's a recipe for a disastrous failure to contain the spread.

Never has the case been so starkly made that the NHS and the welfare state are a public good from which we all benefit.

Whilst using a potential disaster, during the disaster, is not usually good form for making a political point.  I do wonder if this will see the door beginning to be pushed ajar for some form of guarantee'd minimum healthcare coverage.

The vast majority of illnesses and healthcare tend to be described as things that happen to the individual, whereas this is going to be someone elses fault that you get it, every time!

I have no doubt that a big % of the population here would avoid testing through fear of charges.  There was a case in Florida of a person claiming they were charged for a test - the industry quickly moved to dispel such a notion by pointing out he had presented with symptoms without any of the triggers for Covid-19, so he was tested for multiple illnesses.  On insisting he got the Covid-19 test, he was administered for free.  This of course completely missed the point that he wouldn't have gone in for anything if the world had not been informing everyone who is ill that they might have Covid-19, so while the test was free he did indeed get a whopping bill by going in for it!!!!

Trump was at the CDC on Friday and when asked about the ship in port at San Fran he said he wasn't keen on them being allowed off because it would make the USA numbers looks bad.

So, a combination of private healthcare and a President who knows fuck all about anything =  prime conditions for an epidemic to spread I imagine.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 9, 2020, 19:22:26
So, obviously the source of this article delights in pointing out it's own bias, but the quotes are quotes

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus/index.html


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 9, 2020, 23:52:46
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-faces-pushback-over-call-to-make-coronavirus-vaccine-free

To add something from the other side of the media spectrum over here.  Goes to show the challenge anyone faces in changing the mentality towards Healthcare in the USA - this article basically encapsulates the views of most people I talk to about the NHS - they cannot get their heads around the concept.  In this article, it mentions how everyone with insurance will have the test covered - that still means anyone without insurance is playing a lottery, and once you find out you have it it you will need to pay for treatment, or pay to avoid getting it (depending on your insurance cover and the costs the end up with for the drug/vaccine).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:20:51
On a more positive note, I've been pleasantly surprised by the way the British Govt has handled it.

Listened to the experts, followed their advice, kept up a consistent message.

I would have expected some stupid grandstanding by Boris by now.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:28:12
On a more positive note, I've been pleasantly surprised by the way the British Govt has handled it.

Listened to the experts, followed their advice, kept up a consistent message.

I would have expected some stupid grandstanding by Boris by now.

He dis suggest on the political Bear Pit of This Morning one option was just to let it run its course which wasn't the brightest solution, I assume it has been pointed out to him that this approach would affect the Tories disproportionately!

More embarrassingly for anyone who saw Newsnight...

The BBC: Ďsave us, save us, youíll miss us when weíre goneí.

Also the BBC: ĎI know, letís put Nigel Farage on Newsnight to talk about the Corona Virusí

Although TBF I think itís good that the BBC has tried to understand the story from the point of view of a parasitic, destructive virus that forces its host to self-isolate from its nearest and dearest at great financial cost. (Taken from Twitter!)

 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 12:13:24
It's easy for them to say 'let's just take it on the chin' when they have access to private medical care. (And be at the front of the queue). It smacks of the rich elite coming out with bollocks like 'we're in it together' when talking about austerity and what not.

There's only a certain number of respirators in Britain. What happens if/when these are all used and people need them, regardless of whether or not they have coronovirus,


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 12:15:45

There's only a certain number of respirators in Britain. What happens if/when these are all used and people need them, regardless of whether or not they have coronovirus,
Thats when the rich get pushed to the front of the queue as you implied.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 12:17:05
Thats when the rich get pushed to the front of the queue as you implied.
Although thinking about it,  they wouldn't be in any queue,  they would all have private health insurance.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 12:29:43
In all fairness, the UK private healthcare systems is fantatsic for elective surgery, not so great for Emergency Care, given the Doctors need to do their hours at the NHS first.  If what you need is some TLC while getting a cyst removed, a bottle of wine and a decent meal to wash the pain down, private works wonders.  If you need the ICU, I;d pop into the nearest NHS hospital.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 13:26:28
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis - who was at the home game on Friday - has announced that he has the Coronavirus. He met with the squad before the game and also met with loads of fans.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 13:30:11
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis - who was at the home game on Friday - has announced that he has the Coronavirus. He met with the squad before the game and also met with loads of fans.

Loads of people panicking on twitter saying call all games off!

God sake


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 13:35:32
Loads of people panicking on twitter saying call all games off!

God sake

He also owns Olympiacos who are playing Wolves this week and was at the Emirates the other week.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 13:52:56
Loads of people panicking on twitter saying call all games off!

God sake
Think itís inevitable now that we are going to end up with games behind closed doors now which will be shit. Fuck knows what theyíll do about refunds on lost season ticket games and what not.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 14:04:33
But there's no restriction on flight travel it seems


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 14:16:09
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis - who was at the home game on Friday - has announced that he has the Coronavirus. He met with the squad before the game and also met with loads of fans.
(Pinched from some bloke on twitter)
I remember Nottingham Forest being one of the most feared teams of the football league in the 80s.

They have achieved that again in 2020


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 14:17:57
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1237342436533420034?s=20

Going Dutch? Think the translated dubbing makes it  :pint:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 14:32:19
Think itís inevitable now that we are going to end up with games behind closed doors now which will be shit. Fuck knows what theyíll do about refunds on lost season ticket games and what not.

As long as it aint this weekend, just got me train ticket!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cheltred on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 15:17:23
Loads of people panicking on twitter saying call all games off!

God sake
Just shows how people panic. I very much doubt if he is the ONLY person to have attended a game since this started to have caught the virus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cheltred on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 15:23:18
Think itís inevitable now that we are going to end up with games behind closed doors now which will be shit. Fuck knows what theyíll do about refunds on lost season ticket games and what not.
Peterborough's chairman, who seems to have a view on most things, has, I believe, suggested season ticket holders only.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 15:35:13
As long as it aint this weekend, just got me train ticket!

I don't care how resilient this virus is, anyone who's been to Boundary Park knows it can't survive there.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 15:41:46
As long as it aint this weekend, just got me train ticket!
Probably be the Salford game knowing our luck, will give them an unfair advantage as they are used to playing in a quiet empty stadium.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 15:46:20
People are killing each other on the roads daily. Could be prevented if people took more care. Shame that isn't given the attention that this virus is.
My brother's best mate is currently fighting for his life after a twat in a Porsche caused a pile up last week.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 15:47:32
Think itís inevitable now that we are going to end up with games behind closed doors now which will be shit. Fuck knows what theyíll do about refunds on lost season ticket games and what not.
I'd be slightly more concerned as to whether the govt/FA/League will compensate clubs if they are ordered to play behind closed doors. The lost revenue could be the final straw that sends some clubs to the wall, esp in L1 and below where there's a much greater reliance on revenue from ticket sales.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 15:51:19
Quote from: Arriba
People are killing each other on the roads daily. Could be prevented if people took more care. Shame that isn't given the attention that this virus is.
My brother's best mate is currently fighting for his life after a twat in a Porsche caused a pile up last week.

ah shit, not the ciren one?

hope he pulls through mate


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 16:03:23
ah shit, not the ciren one?

hope he pulls through mate

Yes mate. Hoping so.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cheltred on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 17:53:21
Yes mate. Hoping so.
Really sorry and hope he makes it


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 19:02:40
Obviously as this continues 1000s of businesses will suffer reduced revenue. As this is a football forum however, imagine the effects on lower league clubs if games were played behind closed doors. premier league etc dont need fans due to tv. would season ticket holders be given refunds? would you ask for it back if you couldn't watch again this season but knowing that the club would suffer huge financials?

clubs suffer in the summer without games but that can be forecasted.
it's going to happen


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 19:13:12
Bloody hell mate you quoted yourself thrice!  :pint:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 19:15:39
Arriba - hope your brother's mate pulls through :/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 19:35:33
Valencia fans making a mockery of the order to have their game played behind closed doors --- by turning up en masse OUTSIDE the stadium anyway.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 19:45:03
Bloody hell mate you quoted yourself thrice!  :pint:
dont know what your on about! 😉

Pep has said football without fans is pointless. I agree. postpone. cancel euros and extend seasons


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 21:47:06
Ive had 7 shows cancelled today and am rather worrying about my a 10 date arena tour in April going and leaving me with no work for a month.

The joys of self employment.

American acts are seeing their shows cancelled in mainland Europe and realise that they cant afford to come over and just do the UK (hence why it better if we have strong ties and frictionless travel with the European union, but that fucked)

So the question is, do I need 2 kidneys and will a 48 year old kidney from someone who's worked for 25 years in live music go for enough to see me through this crisis!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 23:01:14
Due to only having one working kidney I have on advice from my hospital here in Malaga began self isolating
I hate the human race in general so currently loving it


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 23:11:15
(https://i.imgur.com/GUC9K1S.jpg)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 00:23:30
That's where all the bog roll in my Tesco went to...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 00:29:42
...M-m-m-my Corona
M-m-m-my Corona (Yeah!)

When you gonna give to me, g-give to me
Is it just a matter of time, Corona?
Is it d-d-destiny, d-destiny
Or is it just a game in my mind, Corona?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 01:16:20
South Korea have got a handle on outbreak without shutting cities down by, as far as I can tell, increasing testing and making the names and recent locations of those with the disease publicly available


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 07:05:40
Man City vs Arsenal postponed this evening. Club statement at 1am.

Some arsenal players met the olympiakos/forest owner the other night.

Just play the stiffs instead, quick enough to do it in the cups


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 08:10:17
super thickie MP Nadine Dorries has it. one degree of separation from the PM.


BoE drop 0.5% off interest rates as a measure to help


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 09:43:08
South Korea have got a handle on outbreak without shutting cities down by, as far as I can tell, increasing testing and making the names and recent locations of those with the disease publicly available

I'm assuming, as per China, once the authorities starting implementing serious containment measures the general public did as they were told.

Should we get to the stage over here of any form of lockdown I fully expect a sizeable proportion of the great British public will blindly ignore the authorities because they know better 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 10:01:26
I'm due to fly to Paris for work at the end of the month. As is stands, per my company guidelines, all non critical business travel is to be canceled. Which is fine, as i'm not paying for is myself but i don't get that T+E back so now have to find that money from somewhere when i re-book it.
I can change my flight for a minimal fee but the Hotel was non-refundable.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 10:58:45
I'm due to fly to Paris for work at the end of the month. As is stands, per my company guidelines, all non critical business travel is to be canceled. Which is fine, as i'm not paying for is myself but i don't get that T+E back so now have to find that money from somewhere when i re-book it.
I can change my flight for a minimal fee but the Hotel was non-refundable.

T+E? Time and effort? Wait, what?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 11:02:05
Man City vs Arsenal postponed this evening. Club statement at 1am.

Some arsenal players met the olympiakos/forest owner the other night.

Just play the stiffs instead, quick enough to do it in the cups

Might want to rephrase that in that current context.  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 11:15:40
T+E? Time and effort? Wait, what?
Sorry. Travel and Expenses


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 11:26:00
Sorry. Travel and Expenses

Sorry, you get get your travel and expenses costs back despite company policy stopping you going???


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 11:31:47
Ive had 7 shows cancelled today and am rather worrying about my a 10 date arena tour in April going and leaving me with no work for a month.

The joys of self employment.

American acts are seeing their shows cancelled in mainland Europe and realise that they cant afford to come over and just do the UK (hence why it better if we have strong ties and frictionless travel with the European union, but that fucked)

So the question is, do I need 2 kidneys and will a 48 year old kidney from someone who's worked for 25 years in live music go for enough to see me through this crisis!

That's horrible.  I know someone well who also works in the events industry and is also self-employed...and in a similar situation.  It may seem dire at the moment, but there will be an end to this.  The Independent was reporting yesterday that the peak could be as little as two weeks away.  Keeping my fingers crossed for you and everyone else similarly affected.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 11:47:36
Sorry, you get get your travel and expenses costs back despite company policy stopping you going???
Yes, i booked this trip last year. As soon as i booked and paid, i filed my expense claim. That's how it works. If i have to cancel the trip, its not me who is out of pocket, its my company.

My qualm is that say we have an annual travel budget of £3000 and this trip was £500, we wont get that £500 back in the budget.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 11:52:08
Yes, i booked this trip last year. As soon as i booked and paid, i filed my expense claim. That's how it works. If i have to cancel the trip, its not me who is out of pocket, its my company.

My qualm is that say we have an annual travel budget of £3000 and this trip was £500, we wont get that £500 back in the budget.

Apologies I didn't word my post very well.

So you have been paid for the trip that isn't happening but will need to fund a subsequent visit out of your own pocket despite the company making you cancel the initial one, or is it just an interbnal company funding/budget issue (which I assume they will have to address anyway?)?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 12:16:39
At my work, preparations in earnest for the majority of non essential staff to work from home have begun.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 12:30:32
Apologies I didn't word my post very well.

So you have been paid for the trip that isn't happening but will need to fund a subsequent visit out of your own pocket despite the company making you cancel the initial one, or is it just an interbnal company funding/budget issue (which I assume they will have to address anyway?)?
Ahh gotcha, no, i wont need to fund out of my own pocket, i'd tell them where to go if they asked. Im sure there will be some form of budget adjustments at some point.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 12:38:22
As we seem to be providing updates on our work situation;

On our project we have been split into 2 teams. (I'm in team A). Team A has to work from home for 2 weeks, and then 2 weeks in the office and then at home for 2 weeks etc. Team B has to work in office for 2 weeks and then 2 weeks at home and then office for 2 weeks etc.

I was sick with manflu last week so i've been WFH a week and a half. Its been good on the whole but it does make you miss the daily commute and office days.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 13:02:06
At my work, preparations in earnest for the majority of non essential staff to work from home have begun.

Same.

All our American offices are already 'closed' so only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bedford Red on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 13:17:49
At my work, preparations in earnest for the majority of non essential staff to work from home have begun.

My work want to prepare for this, but not a chance they could get it all set up in time, so if we have to stay away from work, i think i'll just be doing whatever i want (they may amaze me and come up with something but that would be a big surprise)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 13:17:59
Managed to get on a train at Bristol Parkway this morning.
Jammed in like sardines until Cheltenham.
I'm guessing that Coronal Virus is a new local strain of Covid 19.

Other than that the service and also Birmingham New Street seemed less busy compared with making the same journey a couple of weeks ago.

With regard to the football in particular, hope it doesn't come to empty stadiums or postponements.
Looks like some scope for the EFL season to extend into May if required.
Imagine the season being declared as void. Just our luck eh.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 13:22:18
I think schools will be shutting so to reduce the risk of spreading.

A lot of headteachers are planning this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Briggany on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 13:23:31
My work are being vigilant. They were preparing at the end of january for us to work from home.

They are effectively going to quarantine the entire office for a minimum of two weeks, but are preparing for a full month of working from home, possibly more.

Suits me as most of my work is fairly automated so I will get more time to play games and watch series haha.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 13:27:55
I work at home anyway, so it won't make much of a difference for me. As long as my work-flow is not interrupted and I don't see why it would be *touches wood*


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: michael on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 13:46:23
The latest office advice I am hearing is that you should only now use your own pen. Take your own pen with you everywhere. Do not under any circumstances use someone else's pen.

Office Pen Stealers, you know who you are, your revolution is over. You lost. Get over it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 14:06:00
Impossible to work from home at my place of work and even if most of the UK was in shut down we would still have work to do...so not sure what Royal Mailís contingency plan would be...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 14:07:44
Impossible to work from home at my place of work and even if most of the UK was in shut down we would still have work to do...so not sure what Royal Mailís contingency plan would be...

Robots and drones?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 14:11:30
Impossible to work from home at my place of work and even if most of the UK was in shut down we would still have work to do...so not sure what Royal Mailís contingency plan would be...

Knowing RM, roll the ill and dead into the gutter and bring in new people on half the wage. Right Unionists?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 14:15:41
Knowing RM, roll the ill and dead into the gutter and bring in new people on half the wage. Right Unionists?

I dunno, I can only speak for Swindon Mail Centre but there is plenty ill and dead currently employeed anyway...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 14:24:00
Conference on Coronavirus cancelled due to, erm, Coronavirus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-conference-new-york-cancelled-council-foreign-relations-business-a9393371.html


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 14:25:59
40 patients in GWH awaiting test results...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 16:17:53
In some ways it's refreshing that a mere microbe can put G8 countries into lockdown.

Maybe a stark reminder that humankind is not above nature after all.

Meanwhile in the real world, a good time for a dabble in the stock market for those with the wherewithal.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 17:42:47
trying to source anti-bac for the business is painful to say the least but with the whole of the country trying to buy it's understandable.

Every supplier seems to be having delivery at the end of the month. Be interesting to fast forward that far and see whether it will be even needed.

In 2 weeks they are expecting the peak and I am expecting a huge hit of trade just in time for half term :no:

I don't think its over dramatic to be worried about how long this will go on for seeing as it has barely started.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 17:55:45
The WHO have now declared a pandemic.

I had no idea Pete Townshend knew so much about this stuff.


Title: Re: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 18:09:01
trying to source anti-bac for the business is painful to say the least but with the whole of the country trying to buy it's understandable.


Just do what everyone up here is apparently doing and nick if from A&E .


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 18:41:51
I had no idea Pete Townshend knew so much about this stuff.

His specialist 'research' lies elsewhere.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: china red on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 19:17:10
We had our first case confirmed at work today, we are also all supposed to log in at 8pm this evening to see if our vpn can deal with 20,000 people working from home


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 20:25:13
We had our first case confirmed at work today, we are also all supposed to log in at 8pm this evening to see if our vpn can deal with 20,000 people working from home

I've been talking with BT and Virgin account managers today. All those expecting to work from home might not be doing much. The residential broadband infrastructure is already struggling peak work hours. If you get logged in. leave it logged in would be my advice.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 20:28:20
In some ways it's refreshing that a mere microbe can put G8 countries into lockdown.

Maybe a stark reminder that humankind is not above nature after all.

Meanwhile in the real world, a good time for a dabble in the stock market for those with the wherewithal.

  It is what will get us. Not a nuke. The tundra and the poles are thawing and there are bacteria alive that we have no resistance to. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a bat's head, but something that thawed out that started this off.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 20:33:43
Dr. Jonathon Quick reveals on Ch4 News that JHU (John Hopkins Uni.) produced results from a "Pandemic Preparedness" study six months ago. The study showed that the average preparedness was around 44 out of a possible 100.

I think it was Trump who used this data to say that the USA was the most prepared. Indeed the report does put them top with 83.5 (UK was 2nd) but as we know, this will mean nothing if you don't action your preparedness. Trump seems to think that being prepared is enough...

JHU GHSI Report - https://www.ghsindex.org/

JHU Article - https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/03/03/coronavirus-covid-19-experts-webcast/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 21:00:28
I dunno, I can only speak for Swindon Mail Centre but there is plenty ill and dead currently employeed anyway...

and that's just the Goans



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 21:14:07
Ive had 7 shows cancelled today and am rather worrying about my a 10 date arena tour in April going and leaving me with no work for a month.

The joys of self employment.

American acts are seeing their shows cancelled in mainland Europe and realise that they cant afford to come over and just do the UK (hence why it better if we have strong ties and frictionless travel with the European union, but that fucked)

So the question is, do I need 2 kidneys and will a 48 year old kidney from someone who's worked for 25 years in live music go for enough to see me through this crisis!
I hope your not on the Biff Byford solo tour in April :tumbleweed:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 21:19:37
No.  I have just seen some machinehead shows cancelling.  Im supposed to be doing a couple in June.  Dont know if they've gone yet.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 21:59:34
the list is on here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kerrang.com/amp/machine-head-cancel-uk-europe-tour-because-of-the-coronavirus


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 22:28:57
Mrs does the shopping online Wednesday for Thursday delivery.
Due to the stockpiling twats no slots till sunday.
 :crash:
Worse than xmas apparently.

Will actually have to go shopping now  :suicide:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 23:12:54
Lad is a genius. I would say the same as his dad.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-51843128


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: china red on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 23:26:06
Mrs does the shopping online Wednesday for Thursday delivery.
Due to the stockpiling twats no slots till sunday.
 :crash:
Worse than xmas apparently.

Will actually have to go shopping now  :suicide:

Popped into my local Tesco earlier today, almost no veg, no toilet rolls, paracetamol, disinfectant, etc etc etc

Media has stirred this up


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 00:11:38
Popped into my local Tesco earlier today, almost no veg, no toilet rolls, paracetamol, disinfectant, etc etc etc

Media has stirred this up

Yup. MSM in sensationalist shocker  ::)

In another note all this bullshits regarding  "no handshakes" in football/sports matches at the beginning, yet at the end of matches...what are players doing? You guessed it...  :poofs:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 06:46:06
NBA season suspended till further notice

Trump bans all incoming flights from europe for 30 days, apart from bizarrelly, the UK

Football season set to be played behind closed doors


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 07:22:49
NBA season suspended till further notice

Trump bans all incoming flights from europe for 30 days, apart from bizarrelly, the UK

Football season set to be played behind closed doors

All not to be sneezed at.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 07:52:40
Tom hanks has got it.

travolta is being tested. He's got chills, and they're multiplying...

(one of those is true)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 09:47:34
Every football game in England will reportedly be held behind closed doors
No games are to be shown in pubs and will be streamed live to ticket holders
Government plans to combat coronavirus spread could be unveiled on Thursday
A Cobra meeting is expected to move the official response to the 'delay' phase
This will result in a crisis plan being unveiled for football, according to The Times

Football canít survive in the lower leagues. This wonít work.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 09:52:25
Football canít survive in the lower leagues. This wonít work.

The problem is, what's the alternative?
A delayed season still kills cashflow, and we have a squillion players OOC on June 30th.

Lower leagues needs financial help too in such circumstances. That much is obvious. But it extends down to non-leeague and out to loads of business.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:00:59
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

So China is basically the Liverpool of corona. Iím likening spain where I am to wolves. Diamond princess is Sheffield United ,totally unexpected to be up there.
Sadly the UK is Norwich


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:06:44
Yup. MSM in sensationalist shocker  ::)

In another note all this bullshits regarding  "no handshakes" in football/sports matches at the beginning, yet at the end of matches...what are players doing? You guessed it...  :poofs:

Klopp being Klopp. :soapy tit wank:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1237832372491558913


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:09:43
The problem is, what's the alternative?
A delayed season still kills cashflow, and we have a squillion players OOC on June 30th.

Lower leagues needs financial help too in such circumstances. That much is obvious. But it extends down to non-leeague and out to loads of business.

Itís tough because no one knows how long this would last. Postponement would hurt but at least there is a chance on income down the line. Closed doors offers nothing. If they are stopping it being shown in pubs etc what is the point of playing. Would it still be on the radio?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:14:17
The problem is, what's the alternative?
A delayed season still kills cashflow, and we have a squillion players OOC on June 30th.
Play games behind closed doors, stream footage on iFollow as usual and give access to those who have existing match tickets (inc season tickets), but people can also choose to "pay on the day" as currently. There would still be substantial loss of revenue which would need the govt to step in. Or maybe solidarity payments from the PL who don't rely on gate money? Or a bit of both?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:17:42
I think season ticket holders should be willing to forfeit the remaining games as well. I know that I would be willing, but there'd still be many others demanding refunds (potentially helping to put their club on the brink).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:18:06
Play games behind closed doors, stream footage on iFollow as usual and give access to those who have existing match tickets (inc season tickets), but people can also choose to "pay on the day" as currently. There would still be substantial loss of revenue which would need the govt to step in. Or maybe solidarity payments from the PL who don't rely on gate money? Or a bit of both?

There are clubs without ifollow isnít there? Thereís no right or wrong for this but itís a complete mess thatís going to happen.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:28:02
There are clubs without ifollow isnít there?
No it's an EFL deal, applies to the whole league.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:29:15
I think season ticket holders should be willing to forfeit the remaining games as well. I know that I would be willing, but there'd still be many others demanding refunds (potentially helping to put their club on the brink).
Absolutely, but if games are streamed on iFollow and made available to ST holders that way, you'd have to be a special kind of twat to still ask for a refund. So there will be several doing just that .....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:32:08
you'd have to be a special kind of twat to still ask for a refund.

Therein lyeth the problem.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:34:48
Play games behind closed doors

That's not an alternative to playing behind closed doors :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:42:41
I think season ticket holders should be willing to forfeit the remaining games as well. I know that I would be willing, but there'd still be many others demanding refunds (potentially helping to put their club on the brink).

Was thinking about this earlier. I'm fine with that if I get iplayer to home games. As a sweetener they could include a home cup game or something next season (if we get one).

TBH I don't think it should need a sweetner, if it isn't obvious we are in unprecidented health crisis and bigger issues exist, then there is no hope for those people..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:51:56
That's not an alternative to playing behind closed doors :)
Well, arguably not, no :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:55:40
Has there been any word from the EFL on potential postponements / behind closed doors yet?

Personally I'd postpone the games. The season finishes early this year anyway, pushing it back a month wouldn't do too much harm.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:55:55
Whilst itís not really the point of discussion right now but I imagine eventually Ďgoing to footballí will become obsolete and clubs will just have state of the art in door Ďxí G pitches with a few cameras set up and everyone who wants to watch will stream it.

Again, I donít know the specifics but the amount of stadium related overheard youíd loose must outweigh the stadium related income.

What with working till the early hours of a Saturday morning and with a young family iíd be much more inclined (and able) to sit my arse down on the sofa at 14:59 and watch the football than getting up, showered, dressed and physically going.


Probably talking decades from now but think it will happen at some point.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:57:32
Bought tickets for Walsall (A) yesterday, and as somebody who can't get to many games due to geography it's pretty gutting. Seems like the right call though sadly.

I'll be after a refund for the tickets. Had it been a home game I might have let it slide.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 10:58:16
Whilst itís not really the point of discussion right now but I imagine eventually Ďgoing to footballí will become obsolete and clubs will just have state of the art in door Ďxí G pitches with a few cameras set up and everyone who wants to watch will stream it.

Again, I donít know the specifics but the amount of stadium related overheard youíd loose must outweigh the stadium related income.

What with working till the early hours of a Saturday morning and with a young family iíd be much more inclined (and able) to sit my arse down on the sofa at 14:59 and watch the football than getting up, showered, dressed and physically going.


Probably talking decades from now but think it will happen at some point.

Conversely, a month or two of games behind closed doors could show football to be nothing without the fans, and actually serve to prevent this from happening.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:01:59
Has there been any word from the EFL on potential postponements / behind closed doors yet?

Personally I'd postpone the games. The season finishes early this year anyway, pushing it back a month wouldn't do too much harm.

Wouldn't do any good either. This won't be over in a month. Govt are publicly talking about 2-3 months and that seems optimistic.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:10:07
Therein lyeth the problem.

I asked the question on the fb Ďgroupí partly trolling, and the second response i had said that they should get a refund for the games remaining if they are played behind closed doors

Will go down as force majeur wont it


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:12:34
The current advice is that those most at risk of death from the virus are those who are elderly with existing serious underlying problems. That sounds like an excellent description of most Football League clubs.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:16:14
I get the possibly playing behind closed doors to stop the spread but there's a million ppl a day using the tube apart from other public transport. Italy has stopped all movements bar work and family emergencies. Bit pointless stopping attending football to allow everything else to continue.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:18:49
Full disclosure, I work at GWH.

This morning all non-clinical staff have been asked if they are prepared to help in a clinical capacity in the event of an outbreak.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:19:19
We are talking about behind closed doors, whilst Italy is in shut down this has been our response.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES5vK6TWsAAaca-?format=jpg&name=large)

Mental


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:44:01
I get the possibly playing behind closed doors to stop the spread but there's a million ppl a day using the tube apart from other public transport. Italy has stopped all movements bar work and family emergencies. Bit pointless stopping attending football to allow everything else to continue.

Heard rumblings they are preparing for the underground to be shut down.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adje on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:48:29
Lad is a genius. I would say the same as his dad.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-51843128
I'd say he's a little shit bandit


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:52:33
We are talking about behind closed doors, whilst Italy is in shut down this has been our response.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES5vK6TWsAAaca-?format=jpg&name=large)

Mental

Future Town End on the right?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:01:55
Heard rumblings they are preparing for the underground to be shut down.

Speaking to a colleague who lives in Hemel Hempstead yesterday, they have a fair few cases locally but as probably 80 odd% of the working population cram onto a train in and out of London everyday its inevitable, same for anywhere in the commuter belt. Add to that I know any number of people based up here who are up and down to London weekly without a complete lock down spread is just an inevitability. There are 26 trains a day from Lancaster to London, each holding c.500 people, no way you can reasonably manage that.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:08:23
La Liga suspended.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:15:28
La Liga suspended.
For two matches, so far. And Real Madrid players in quarantine after one of their basketball team tested positive for the virus


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:18:43
I wonder how long the 'it's all a load of shit' brigade are going to dig in for.

Not directed at anybody here.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:30:32
I wonder how long the 'it's all a load of shit' brigade are going to dig in for.

Not directed at anybody here.
I agree that measures need to take place on a country wide level to prevent the virus spreading, so large events of any kinds being canceled etc
From a personal/individual level, i have no intention of changing any of my daily habits, just carrying on as normal.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:32:05
 When I was a kid there was a building on the Marlborough Road out near Ogbourne, which intrigued me as it seemed in the middle of nowhere... it got knocked down however in the mid 60's.  It was the Isolation Hospital, where people with infectious diseases were treated.  

 I guess it wasn't the only one in the country, but by the mid 60's the contagious diseases had largely been eradicated.... like the Stratton Workhouse it was somewhere I thought I'd like to avoid ending up in.

 Perhaps Johnson's pledge of 350 mill a week for the NHS and 40 new hospitals could be spent on a retro Isolation Hospital campaign.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:34:51
Cobra discussing school closures today.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:41:41
McLaren pull out of F1 Australian GP after member of team confirmed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51849163

Surely its got to be pulled or made non-championship race now.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:42:12
Ireland shuts all schools and colleges


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:44:10
Ireland have closed their schools, colleges and childcare facilites until the 29th... we'll surely be following suit.

McLaren have pulled out of the Aussie GP as a team member has tested positive for it, the event should never have gone ahead anyway. They even had a fully open public day yesterday, so fucking dumb.


This country's repsonse has been shocking so far, seeming pretty blase about the whole thing...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:45:04
I suspect more are working from home round here as noticed net speed has dropped a bit.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:58:17
Cobra discussing school closures today.
Thought the argument against that was that with increasing numbers of families with both parents working, emergency childcare if they shut schools is likely to fall on grandparents who are most at risk. Just shows how complex the whole thing is, no easy answers, downsides to every proposed panacea


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:04:33
UEFA suspending Europa and Champions League, apparently.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:04:39
Just shows how complex the whole thing is, no easy answers, downsides to every proposed panacea

... and Trump got rid of a load of CDC people recently - the very people that know about this stuff and will be aware of 'unexpected' consequences that others would not.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:04:44
Thought the argument against that was that with increasing numbers of families with both parents working, emergency childcare if they shut schools is likely to fall on grandparents who are most at risk. Just shows how complex the whole thing is, no easy answers, downsides to every proposed panacea

If anything it could be more contained by having kids in schools. no way is everyone just going to sit at home.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:11:51
... and Trump got rid of a load of CDC people recently - the very people that know about this stuff and will be aware of 'unexpected' consequences that others would not.
Pfft! If there's one thing we've learned from the 2016 referendum over here and Trump's 2016 victory over there it's that we don't need "experts". Trump will just be able to build a big wall to keep coronavirus out, any extra bits he can just ask his good friend Farage about now the BBC have apparently appointed him as their goto guy for coronavirus advice.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:12:59
UEFA suspending Europa and Champions League, apparently.
Ha ha Liverpool will be gutted :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:20:46
Shouldn't every country just stop all people leaving and entering until this virus is under control?
It's been spread by people travelling so just stop that. Am I missing something here or what?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:27:13
Shouldn't every country just stop all people leaving and entering until this virus is under control?
It's been spread by people travelling so just stop that. Am I missing something here or what?
Global recession? Although that seems inevitable now anyway


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:29:20
Thought the argument against that was that with increasing numbers of families with both parents working, emergency childcare if they shut schools is likely to fall on grandparents who are most at risk. Just shows how complex the whole thing is, no easy answers, downsides to every proposed panacea

They will shut down just to reduce the risk.

If this does happen, internet usage will go through the roof. People won't be able to work from home because of contention.

The NHS, already crumbling, is going to really struggle. There are face masks, but not all staff can use them and they don't fit all staff. Staff have to have some vigorous tests on the equipment before use. We are not equipped enough.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:34:05
Ha ha Liverpool will be gutted :)
Fuck Liverpool.  What about STFC?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:37:44
Cobra meeting expected outcome: status expected to move from "containment" to "delay". If situation worsens, it may be escalated to "faffing" and once the bodies are piling up in the streets, we could possibly escalate still further to "fiddling while Rome burns"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:46:13
Shouldn't every country just stop all people leaving and entering until this virus is under control?
It's been spread by people travelling so just stop that. Am I missing something here or what?

It's too late for that now - the rate of spread in Communities is where it is now coming from - it seems, from reports, like it's not carrying much out in the open, but once you get confined locations with a carrier, it seems to spread like wildfire.  There was a lawyer in NYC who appears to have given the virus to at least 50 direct contacts, and a conference where over 70 attendees have contracted it, not to mention the nursing home that now has a lot of spare beds in Washington State.

It's now time to move to protect people who would likely get very sick and avoid a stampede at the Hospitals.  You can't stop it, but you can slow it's progress to those who would need hospital care.  You should probably be taking over large buildings as well, to act as field hospitals.  I know people will say it's over reacting, but the reality is that Hospitals do not carry large over capacity, so it doesn't actually take much to overwhelm them on top of every day needs to be in one.  While a number of viruses have spread in the past without huge death tolls, there is often a hidden impact of increased mortality from other causes at the same time due to that strain.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:49:41
not to mention the nursing home that now has a lot of spare beds in Washington State.


Well, that's good timing considering the circumst...

Oh!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: cdakev on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:50:46
They will shut down just to reduce the risk.

If this does happen, internet usage will go through the roof. People won't be able to work from home because of contention.

The NHS, already crumbling, is going to really struggle. There are face masks, but not all staff can use them and they don't fit all staff. Staff have to have some vigorous tests on the equipment before use. We are not equipped enough.

Who say's the NHS is crumbling ?.  My wife is a nurse and they have responded very positively. Yes they are under massive pressure and hopefully the govenment will support the NHS.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: cdakev on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:52:14
I wonder is football will be suspended in this country ?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 14:02:08
I wonder is football will be suspended in this country ?

Been suspended all season in bournemouth


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 14:42:55
Who say's the NHS is crumbling ?.  My wife is a nurse and they have responded very positively. Yes they are under massive pressure and hopefully the govenment will support the NHS.

My wife is also a nurse. They are all underpaid, overworked. Patients in hallways etc. It is overstretched. All staff have responded positively, but they will struggle. They need the help. A&E have 13 bank shifts available just for saturday. It's crazy.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 14:46:24
Who say's the NHS is crumbling ?.  My wife is a nurse and they have responded very positively. Yes they are under massive pressure and hopefully the govenment will support the NHS.
I think he was talking over the last decade rather than the immediate response to coronavirus. The Italian media were using horrified stories of patients being treated in corridors to demonstrate how bad the crisis had got there - that's been normal here for years. Don't underestimate the impact of years of underfunding


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 16:34:17
I know people are going to get all "timmy tantrum" with me and while I agree, the most vulnerable (elderly/those with underlying conditions) should be our priority in keeping safe. Yet isn't it just common sense that we do all the time during Flu/bug season? "Oh I won't go and see your Nanna who has Emphysema as I've got a cough myself. Don't want to risk it." We do it all the time. This is no different in that respect.

Yet here is the kicker. Yes I'm aware this is a highly contagious pathogen but it is only deadly mostly to those most vulnerable, like most things. We may contract it. Likely a lot of us have had a cold/sniffle/man flu/full blown flu/the shits etc. Yes we've contracted something and our body has dealt with it over the course of a couple to few weeks. Same again, if I say "Oh I've had the shits the last few days John, don't get too close." the  response is likely "Ffs mate, I'll keep my distance. I don't want that!"

But here we are, closing down society, showing the very midst of what George Orwell wrote about fictionally and Professor Jared Diamond wrote about roughly 20 years ago, regarding societal collapse. No doubt others have too. Society being vulnerable to falling, when we remove just a few links in the chain of a modern (westernised) society. I'm not for one minute saying Covid-19 is a load of shit (other bacteria are available) but we have been 'happy' to allow Influenza to continually wreak havoc for years upon years. My point is, we actually have vaccines (that have to be adapted from season to season) for Influenza and yet it still kills a fuck ton of people annually. Already in USA alone, Flu has killed 16k+ people since December to Feb.

Now again, I'm not saying one dick is bigger than the other. I agree with some of the steps government have taken and largely done so in a controlled manner. I'm quite surprised. I expected BoJo to have come out all Trumponian claiming we are the 2nd best most prepared country and that alone will stop a virus from spreading. Less on Farage the better.

I'm looking at this from a media viewpoint. The way the MSM are reporting pretty much every single "positive case" for Covid-19 here, as if every one of those people are going to die. If the media reported nearly every positive Flu case, well they couldn't, there are so many. Even if the media tried to report all Flu deaths, the news would just be full of it. They'd have to report c200 Flu deaths per day in the USA (just for December to Feb).

So my conclusion is, with Flu also being highly contagious yet somewhat controlled by a vaccine; how come the world has been seemingly happy to go about their lives quite normally, while 100s of thousands of people die from flu every year? Happy to get on public transport, go to packed public events, fill shopping malls every weekend with H1N1 spores flying around like some kind of erratic phlegm aids. Is it social conditioning? Is this yet another way of controlling the masses with FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt), via media?

The human species by design is very "pack" oriented and largely prefers to be led or told what to do (there are exceptions). Even if that leader isn't so great. Even if those that lead don't even tell the truth or feed us obscure information (a boss at work for e.g), We have our doubts from time to time but we don't want to been seen as irrational or difficult. Mostly for fear of looking stupid or having a different viewpoint within the popular societal consensus. So as long as we are being told what to do, when to be there, etc. We, for the most part are fine with being led. Maybe Orwell was on to something and possibly Pfr Diamond too.

Feel free to come and pick apart the bits that don't sit right with you or you disagree with. Likewise feel free to provoke thought and discuss, as we do. On a totally unrelated part -i'm still impressed that Grospot Nob went so long without noticing such a change. Good work, even if immature :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 16:39:12
We know how bad Flu is

We donít know how bad Coronavirus could be or, more importantly, know for sure how itís spread

Thatís it isnít it??

Edit, after reading that missive properly. You answered it yourself. We know how flu works. Thereís a vaccine for flu to allow vulnerable people to be treated ahead of time, minimising the impact. Hence, little concern

We donít know how coronavirus works. We donít have a vaccine for it, so the only way to minimise the impact on vulnerable people is to take these measures to stop the virus from spreading too far. Itís really not rocket science

Once a vaccine is developed and we have a better understanding of the disease, then instead of having a cold and flu season, weíll have a cold flu and coronavirus season, and id imagine things will be back to the Ďnormalí you describe. But weíre not there yet are we



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 16:59:20
Collymore suggesting that itís going to be announced tomorrow that the rest of the season will be played behind closed doors with season ticket holders able to stream games.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cookie on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:03:01
Until some players get sick and teams withdraw. This season will be suspended at some point. Fuck knows what that'll mean for promotion and relegation but I bet we get fucked over.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:06:49
Collymore suggesting that itís going to be announced tomorrow that the rest of the season will be played behind closed doors with season ticket holders able to stream games.

PV will need to start charging for his match text commentaries.  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adje on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:15:56
Maybe a wrongful comparison but I don't remember total shutdown during the Sars outbreak, which if I do remember was a far more serious virus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:21:00
Collymore suggesting that itís going to be announced tomorrow that the rest of the season will be played behind closed doors with season ticket holders able to stream games.

Isnt that what he said at 11pm last night


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:23:39
Maybe a wrongful comparison but I don't remember total shutdown during the Sars outbreak, which if I do remember was a far more serious virus.

But also more likely to cause significant symptoms, and less contagious. Meaning it was a lot easier to contain.

It's partly that coronavirus is so mild in so many cases that makes it so dangerous, because it means a lot of people will be passing it on unawares. Coronavirus will end up killing A LOT more people than Sars as it is and, the more infections there are, the higher the risk of a mutation.

It already has mutated once, bit thankfully not into something more deadly.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:35:39
Fucking hell:

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-12/british-government-wants-uk-to-acquire-coronavirus-herd-immunity-writes-robert-peston/

Anyone who thought they'd got rid of the eugenicists in Downing St when that weirdo kid got fired might want to think again. "Herd immunity" = let the weak die, the survivors will be stronger for it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:38:23
Isnt that what he said at 11pm last night
Probably I just saw some journo retweet it. As Johnson is about to announce we are entering the Ďdelayí phase I donít think itís too wide of the mark. I donít think youíll be watching us play at Oldham on Saturday.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:39:20
Maybe a wrongful comparison but I don't remember total shutdown during the Sars outbreak, which if I do remember was a far more serious virus.

SARS was 3x more deadley but much better contained. This is from a couple of days ago

           Year        Cases      Deaths      Mort     Countries
Ebola      1976,      33577,    13562,      40.4,     9
Nipah      1998,         513,        398,      77.6,     2
SARS      2002,       8096,        774,       9.6,      29
MERS      2012,       2494,        858,      34.4,     28   
COVID-19 2020,  111365,      3892,        3.5      102


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:46:51
Did I read or hear somewhere that eventually COVID-19 will just become another variety of seasonal flu and will be a constant Ďcompanioní every year?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:47:53
Fucking hell:

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-12/british-government-wants-uk-to-acquire-coronavirus-herd-immunity-writes-robert-peston/

Anyone who thought they'd got rid of the eugenicists in Downing St when that weirdo kid got fired might want to think again. "Herd immunity" = let the weak die, the survivors will be stronger for it.

Its quite a good article as to why though. Essentially 'its going to happen anyway' is the key premise-  so lets try and control its rate of spread .

And with a likely spread through Africa and Americas that it will be around for a while - so immunity is going to be the only way given no vaccine is going to be available for quite a while.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:51:25
Did I read or hear somewhere that eventually COVID-19 will just become another variety of seasonal flu and will be a constant Ďcompanioní every year?

It looks possible, but we'll have COVID jabs eventually. Hopefully.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adje on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:51:36
SARS was 3x more deadley but much better contained. This is from a couple of days ago

           Year        Cases      Deaths      Mort     Countries
Ebola      1976,      33577,    13562,      40.4,     9
Nipah      1998,         513,        398,      77.6,     2
SARS      2002,       8096,        774,       9.6,      29
MERS      2012,       2494,        858,      34.4,     28   
COVID-19 2020,  111365,      3892,        3.5      102
We haven't learned how to contain from that experience?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:54:39
BoJo speaking.

He's actually come across OK.

Basics are as you were *for now*
Sports OK *for now* - but the issue is it puts strain on resources (emergency services)
People should self isolate with persistent cough/fever
In future the whole family will need to self isolate if 1 gets syptoms.
No schools overseas trips.
No cruises for elderly (advice)

Its going to get worse, and extra measures may need to be put in place as we go towards the peak.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:55:20
We haven't learned how to contain from that experience?

I take it as simply being of different characteristics to SARS.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:57:26
Medical bod  - we are 4 week behind Italy and some other Euro countries. Peak yet to come.

Its likely we have between 5-10K infected right now but only 500 confirmed. Steep curve yet to come. We need to protect people during the pleak period.

Now trying to delay peak and bring the peak down


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:59:18
"Medical bod" makes the fairly reasonable point that in order to make closing schools worth it you'd have to do it for 3-4 months and good luck keeping children isolated for that period of time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:02:18
"Medical bod" makes the fairly reasonable point that in order to make closing schools worth it you'd have to do it for 3-4 months and good luck keeping children isolated for that period of time.

yeah.

The whole thing seems to have made very good points. Assuming they are right.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:03:07
yeah.

The whole thing seems to have made very good points. Assuming they are right.

Yep. As with many things, it's quite a lot more complicated than just "lock everyone inside for a week and jobs a good 'un"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:16:11
Medical bod shows some political naivety by suggesting that their top planning modelling rate is 80% infections, then says that's speculative, unlikely etc. and not the main point.

Bet that's every paper's headline tomorrow, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:20:14
Medical Bod looks worrying like Failing Grayling!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:22:48
Africa appears to be relatively spared for now, although I supposed the real figures could be far higher than reported. Something like this could be devastating there.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:24:41
They've been saying 40-70% for a while, as the rate of infection.  The known cases double after something like 5 days, and what we are starting to see is that in certain conditions is spreads with a very high rate of infection from person to person.

We have two early case studies to use - China & Italy.  One of them appears to have stunted the spread by locking everyone up (still can;t be certain) and the other is being crippled by throwing arms up in the air at the nasty Coronavirus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:41:11
yeah.

The whole thing seems to have made very good points. Assuming they are right.

Didnít see the press conference, but credit where itís due the government seem to be acting sensibly in handling all of this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:52:47
Africa appears to be relatively spared for now, although I supposed the real figures could be far higher than reported. Something like this could be devastating there.

I would say the reason it hasn't so much is temperature related. It doesn't like anything too warm an also by accounts doesn't like extreme cold either. Loves that kind of temperate fridgy temp of around 6 to 12 celsius.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 19:18:13
I would say the reason it hasn't so much is temperature related. It doesn't like anything too warm an also by accounts doesn't like extreme cold either. Loves that kind of temperate fridgy temp of around 6 to 12 celsius.

More likely travel.

There is a chance the virus doesn't carry as well in Hot and Humid air, but that won't kill it off.

The issue with this strain appears to be the longevity on surfaces.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 19:22:25
the BBC r5 expert suggested that it only lives 1 day on cardboard, much less on other surfaces.

Also pointed out that living that long doesn't mean at a threshold that can be infectious


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 19:47:54
All EFL games ON this weekend with no restrictions


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 20:18:27
the BBC r5 expert suggested that it only lives 1 day on cardboard, much less on other surfaces.

Also pointed out that living that long doesn't mean at a threshold that can be infectious

Think it was 2 days + on steel and plastic though.  4 hours on Copper.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 20:31:30
More likely travel.

There is a chance the virus doesn't carry as well in Hot and Humid air, but that won't kill it off.

The issue with this strain appears to be the longevity on surfaces.

I was going to mention travel as of course, a lot of African countries don't have the disposable to travel as often. So factor in. The temperature thing is important though. A weakened pathogen (and as I'm aware this doesn't travel too far as an airborne pathogen; only up to 7ft/2m). The longevity on surfaces is a big debate. In controlled refrigerated conditions it's been claimed to "survive" for upto 9 days, yet in reality how many homes or locations are at a constant controlled temp of say 6c? But that data doesn't say on what surface, how porous or non porous etc. I believe that data is a scenario that would never bee seen in regular day to day life (unless you work in a fridge for 9 days without leaving?!). So then it depends on the surface. Most reports say several hours to 3days. But again all this depends on temp/humidity/surface etc.

Warmer weather would weaken it, no doubt. It's essentially a version of Flu, just without the vaccine (yet) so it will dissipate as warmer weather ensues. I'm sure you're measured and intelligent enough Rob to realise that a pathogen "surviving" doesn't necessarily mean it maintains the same level of that, if it has been weakened.

It's a dangerous buggar but I still believe this will be all but gone by around end of May/early June. That's only my opinion though.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 20:35:14
@rob so it does, he didn't mention that


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 21:19:53
I was going to mention travel as of course, a lot of African countries don't have the disposable to travel as often. So factor in. The temperature thing is important though. A weakened pathogen (and as I'm aware this doesn't travel too far as an airborne pathogen; only up to 7ft/2m). The longevity on surfaces is a big debate. In controlled refrigerated conditions it's been claimed to "survive" for upto 9 days, yet in reality how many homes or locations are at a constant controlled temp of say 6c? But that data doesn't say on what surface, how porous or non porous etc. I believe that data is a scenario that would never bee seen in regular day to day life (unless you work in a fridge for 9 days without leaving?!). So then it depends on the surface. Most reports say several hours to 3days. But again all this depends on temp/humidity/surface etc.

Warmer weather would weaken it, no doubt. It's essentially a version of Flu, just without the vaccine (yet) so it will dissipate as warmer weather ensues. I'm sure you're measured and intelligent enough Rob to realise that a pathogen "surviving" doesn't necessarily mean it maintains the same level of that, if it has been weakened.

It's a dangerous buggar but I still believe this will be all but gone by around end of May/early June. That's only my opinion though.

I have no knowledge on what may happen in warmer months that would add anything to the discussion.  What seems very likely though is that the Western world will struggle to contain this in the way China were eventually able to.  So, even if it does dissipate in the summer, at the current rate of infection, that could still be a massive impact in countries like the USA (which still isn't really testing anyone, let alone preventing the spread - although private business & organisations appear spooked enough to do stuff without being told now).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pete on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 21:52:01
Cobra meeting expected outcome: status expected to move from "containment" to "delay". If situation worsens, it may be escalated to "faffing" and once the bodies are piling up in the streets, we could possibly escalate still further to "fiddling while Rome burns"

https://youtu.be/nSXIetP5iak


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 22:32:15
"Herd immunity" = let the weak die, the survivors will be stronger for it.

Herd immunity is not a callous "let the weak die" concept.  It protects the weak.

I may be wrong but if you can say that then I very much doubt that you have had to watch a daughter grow up who is unable to take various vaccines, who is exponentially more vulnerable to the diseases they protect against and is entirely dependent on herd immunity to protect her from them.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 22:33:42
As soon as I posted that I thought I was rather shitty.  Sorry, touched a nerve.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 23:15:04
Mikel Arteta has it now. Full Arsenal squad in quarantine


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 23:21:47
Mikel Arteta has it now. Full Arsenal squad in quarantine

that's the behind closed doors plan out the window.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 23:29:02
Emergency Premier League meeting tomorrow now.

Thatíll be saturday off then


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 23:34:27
I have no knowledge on what may happen in warmer months that would add anything to the discussion.  What seems very likely though is that the Western world will struggle to contain this in the way China were eventually able to.  So, even if it does dissipate in the summer, at the current rate of infection, that could still be a massive impact in countries like the USA (which still isn't really testing anyone, let alone preventing the spread - although private business & organisations appear spooked enough to do stuff without being told now).

Oh for sure a global economic domino effect is happening now. I do feel that world powers are still talking with their fiscal heads on as opposed to their health heads. I don't doubt they have their opinions on potential deaths etc. but feel more that they are more concerned on economic effects.

All it really shows is how weak a westernised world is in terms of the material elements and make up of our society. This results in the parts of our species panic buying anything and acting irrationally. That is in part at the hands of MSM to blame. On the plus, it also shows that we do have the frameworks in place to recover from catastrophe. I still would personally question if we had to deal with something much more dangerous (what that is/could be, I'm not certain at this moment in time), whether we should be capable of recovering.

It's easy to criticise governments of course and in the case of a pandemic I think we all have to put our allegiances aside and work together (I'm talking parliament here). Currently I think the UK government are doing as much as they need to, under guidance from those better informed. I don't know enough about the US Gov to know if (again allegiances aside) they are doing similar. News stories tell us one thing over here but that may be very different to the actuality. Much like the picture in Italy. Responses at present seem to be very stereotypical of said nations. UK Gov- Keep calm and carry on. Italy Gov - Passionately erratic...and so on.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 23:39:10
Emergency Premier League meeting tomorrow now.

Thatíll be saturday off then

Will probably have the ridiculous scenario (because two separate entities) where the Premier League call off their matches and the EFL ones go ahead. That would just be laughable but I won't be shocked if that were to arise.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 23:57:39
Will probably have the ridiculous scenario (because two separate entities) where the Premier League call off their matches and the EFL ones go ahead. That would just be laughable but I won't be shocked if that were to arise.

I can see it happening for now. If no EFL players or management are affected carry on. before Arteta they were prepared to let it roll. It will only take one case though to make it all stop. Even behind closed doors wonít stop unless players and management effectively self isolate together between games with no family contact.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 00:00:54
F1 finally officially off.  talk about last minute,


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, March 13, 2020, 00:20:59
F1 finally officially off.  talk about last minute,

I swear I heard on Ch4 News that it was cancelled and that was around 7.30pm. Still 7 or 11 makes little odds to people who travelled to Straya. Not a cheap spectator sport.

Think Hamilton spoke a lot of sense saying I don't get why we are even here, considering the circumstances. Of course, his team pulled out beforehand. Something like F1 at least is a little easier to schedule even if an inconvenience. They can afford to put a race into one of the free weeks in the calendar or extend/stagger their season if necessary.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 06:09:18
I would say the reason it hasn't so much is temperature related. It doesn't like anything too warm an also by accounts doesn't like extreme cold either. Loves that kind of temperate fridgy temp of around 6 to 12 celsius.

Not correct with this one

"However, she said having sports events played behind closed doors could be counterproductive as it might instead lead people to gathering in pubs "in the warmth, where viruses love it"."


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, March 13, 2020, 06:41:47
Not correct with this one

"However, she said having sports events played behind closed doors could be counterproductive as it might instead lead people to gathering in pubs "in the warmth, where viruses love it"."

Who are you quoting here? Also, there's a difference to a load of infected people meeting "in the warmth" passing it around. Allowing it to gestate. To a naturally higher temperature caused by a geographical location. Somewhere where it is eternally late spring/early Summer. The virus won't be strong enough to likely show few symptoms.

This isn't some totally unbeknown bug. It has a lot of similarities to Flu and of course other Coronavirae(uses??). It just happens that they don't have a vaccine for it. Yet.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 09:56:04
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Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:07:45
Who are you quoting here? Also, there's a difference to a load of infected people meeting "in the warmth" passing it around. Allowing it to gestate. To a naturally higher temperature caused by a geographical location. Somewhere where it is eternally late spring/early Summer. The virus won't be strong enough to likely show few symptoms.

This isn't some totally unbeknown bug. It has a lot of similarities to Flu and of course other Coronavirae(uses??). It just happens that they don't have a vaccine for it. Yet.
The plural is viruses
https://www.grammar-monster.com/plurals/plural_of_virus.htm


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:10:23
Overnight 2 friends have been diagnosed with this down here in Somerset/Dorset, I haven't seen them for a few week so am probably safe, only a few friends in common and I have not been in contact with them either for a few weeks.

Not overly concerned but I am on the "at risk" list, its wierd going from not concerned at all to being mildly concerned about my own health in a matter of a few hours.

The green "all is fine" warning bulb has been switched onto a slightly flickering amber bulb now for me!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:12:42
Its been a tough 24 hours for The Mail.

Yesterday
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES-IT7WXsAEaG1N?format=jpg&name=large)

Today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES-IUxeWAAAEDRe?format=jpg&name=900x900)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:19:49
Overnight 2 friends have been diagnosed with this down here in Somerset/Dorset, I haven't seen them for a few week so am probably safe, only a few friends in common and I have not been in contact with them either for a few weeks.

Not overly concerned but I am on the "at risk" list, its wierd going from not concerned at all to being mildly concerned about my own health in a matter of a few hours.

The green "all is fine" warning bulb has been switched onto a slightly flickering amber bulb now for me!

We apparently have it 'in the village', much as yourself I am on the vulnerable list, but actually looking online from the normal expert organisations there seems to be no evidence at the moment that it interacts with my condition, of greater concern is my missus who has asthma albeit not chronic so fingers crossed.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:23:48
We apparently have it 'in the village', much as yourself I am on the vulnerable list, but actually looking online from the normal expert organisations there seems to be no evidence at the moment that it interacts with my condition, of greater concern is my missus who has asthma albeit not chronic so fingers crossed.
Yeah as far as I know its not hit Chard yet my friends live in Sherborne and Yeovil so 20+ miles away so I see them rarely but I have obviously the cancer treatment but also around 1/3 of each lung missing from the previous blood clots and I have COPD and Bronchiectasis too.

Concerning.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:25:59
Yeah as far as I know its not hit Chard yet my friends live in Sherborne and Yeovil so 20+ miles away so I see them rarely but I have obviously the cancer treatment but also around 1/3 of each lung missing from the previous blood clots and I have COPD and Bronchiectasis too.

Concerning.

Stay safe mate.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:29:37
I'm now working from home for the forseeable future as my employers have started their plan of action.

Until 3 or 4 years ago you used to have to put a pretty watertight business case to work from home approval and now? Now it's the saviour!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:31:40
Stay safe mate.

Thanks mate, going to not risk it too much now, shit got a bit more real for me all of a sudden.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:35:08
Yeah as far as I know its not hit Chard yet my friends live in Sherborne and Yeovil so 20+ miles away so I see them rarely but I have obviously the cancer treatment but also around 1/3 of each lung missing from the previous blood clots and I have COPD and Bronchiectasis too.

Concerning.

Look after yourself fella!

if nothing else who is going to help me with my IT issues!  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:47:20
I'm working from home as work wants to test VPN capacity.

but they don't want us taking monitors and docking stations off site.

try coding and testing with 3 VMs on a 15 inch laptop .... grr


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Leggett on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:47:38
I'm now working from home for the forseeable future as my employers have started their plan of action.

Until 3 or 4 years ago you used to have to put a pretty watertight business case to work from home approval and now? Now it's the saviour!

Short of playing Euro Truck Simulator 2 all day, I'm gonna find it kind of difficult to work from home... :hmmm: coming down with a cold as well, which is looooovely.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:49:41
a cold....


isolate isolate isolate


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:55:08
I'm working from home as work wants to test VPN capacity.

but they don't want us taking monitors and docking stations off site.

try coding and testing with 3 VMs on a 15 inch laptop .... grr

Which is fine. When workers and kids are off then contention on lines is going to be absolutely manic.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:57:26
yeah, agreed. but you have to know your own systems will cope first..

if we are government ordered to lockdown then there's not much that can be done to control network capacity


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:01:13
We have the same issue. We are being proactive as the leadership cannot make decisions. We have RDP but are uploading to sharepoint in preparation.

We were planning on doing this anyway in the summer so it's all good.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:03:06
Its way outside my area of knowledge and expertise but we do seem to be doing things rather differently (rightly or wrongly!)

(https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89872094_2594100127496042_6187717069329399808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=SH_1XO0RwNcAX-0FKOf&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-1.fna&oh=2deb360ea9757f8af740635393a27454&oe=5E8F850C)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:16:47
Any Network engineers on here? Cisco are giving out licenses for Umbrella, AnyConnect and Webex and Microsoft Teams is currently free too.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:21:26
"BREAKING: Premier League and EFL look set to announce both will be suspended until at least Apr 4th, when situation will be reviewed. Hearing EFL board agreed on this unanimously. Premier League meeting happening in 10 mins when clubs will be urged to follow suit"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:32:12
My other half is presently trying to get our (entirely normal) weekly online shop finalised, whilst she has got a slot for tomorrow morning (booked on Tuesday and it was the earliest slot available) it now transpires they have not got a large percentage of the stuff we would normally order.

People need to calm the fuck down, its getting to the stage that deaths are going to be self inflected in this country!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:33:16
"BREAKING: Premier League and EFL look set to announce both will be suspended until at least Apr 4th, when situation will be reviewed. Hearing EFL board agreed on this unanimously. Premier League meeting happening in 10 mins when clubs will be urged to follow suit"

Confirmed


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:33:38
I wonder how much damage Cheltenham being held will have. For here and Ireland in particular. All about the £££ though it would seem


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:35:18
My other half is presently trying to get our (entirely normal) weekly online shop finalised, whilst she has got a slot for tomorrow morning (booked on Tuesday and it was the earliest slot available) it now transpires they have not got a large percentage of the stuff we would normally order.

People need to calm the fuck down, its getting to the stage that deaths are going to be self inflected in this country!

I gave up trying to do an online shop as they had bugger all.
Went to lidl instead.
No soap, cleaning fluid, bog rolls, pasta in there.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:40:55
I gave up trying to do an online shop as they had bugger all.
Went to lidl instead.
No soap, cleaning fluid, bog rolls, pasta in there.

But I bet you could get a welder, a cycling jacket and some German sausage!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:46:43
Short of playing Euro Truck Simulator 2 all day, I'm gonna find it kind of difficult to work from home... :hmmm: coming down with a cold as well, which is looooovely.

Fuck knows what RM will do

I guess shut the main centres and not pay us?!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:04:03
But I bet you could get a welder, a cycling jacket and some German sausage!

Haha. Aquarium goods yesterday. I bought a retro games console that doesn't work too 😂


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Leggett on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:06:02
Fuck knows what RM will do

I guess shut the main centres and not pay us?!


God knows mate, they can't organise a piss up in a brewery at the best of times, that cunt Rico will probably use it to buy a fuck ton more shares...

Sniffles really isn't what they're looking at when they ask folks to self isolate, right?  :hmmm: ???


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:15:28
Any COD MW players on here? Looks like that's all i'll be doing this weekend. +


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Leggett on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:17:46
Xbox? *waves*


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:19:27
Any COD MW players on here? Looks like that's all i'll be doing this weekend. +
yup, have you tried Warzone yet, plenty of hours to kill on it :guns:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jutty274 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:24:08
Any COD MW players on here? Looks like that's all i'll be doing this weekend. +

I do on the PS4


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:28:58
God knows mate, they can't organise a piss up in a brewery at the best of times, that cunt Rico will probably use it to buy a fuck ton more shares...

Sniffles really isn't what they're looking at when they ask folks to self isolate, right?  :hmmm: ???

No, I donít know either. Doubt they do either.

I mean we canít work from home and itís really a question of whether weíll get paid if we are forced to not attend work.

I mean Iíd have to dip into my savings and could take the hit but no everyone will be in that position.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:37:22
But I bet you could get a welder, a cycling jacket and some German sausage!
The A-team could have taken on an army with that!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:41:04
Xbox? *waves*
Thats fine, we can cross play.

stfcchubbs or stfc_chubbs i never know which one to give out.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:41:32
yup, have you tried Warzone yet, plenty of hours to kill on it :guns:
Warzone if great, not managed a win yet.

stfcchubbs or stfc_chubbs i never know which one to give out.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:54:41
Warzone if great, not managed a win yet.

stfcchubbs or stfc_chubbs i never know which one to give out.
I can never win in the Gulag :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:03:00
I can never win in the Gulag :)
Yeah, its annoying that it.

I dont have many friends online so i have to resort to playing with randoms who don't communicate and just do their own thing.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:03:49
Warzone if great, not managed a win yet.

stfcchubbs or stfc_chubbs i never know which one to give out.

Add me. Sippo04. Will be on tonight from 8ish.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:47:43
Own up. Whoís done a bit of stockpiling?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:52:18
Exact opposite haven't been shopping in 3 weeks. Down to last 2 bog rolls.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:52:23
Own up. Whoís done a bit of stockpiling?

I'm waiting for rationing to be introduced.... I was born into 50's rationing, and aside from the 70's petrol rationing haven't known any since.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:55:49
Fuck stockpiling, Iím looking forward to some looting.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:00:53
There's some video on social media of looters in Australia.

A lot of people are going to see that and think: "Fuck me, I hadn't thought of that. Can't wait"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:08:40
Have the looters from the 2011 riots been released yet?

Gig tonight for me, & seaside tomorrow. What happened to the "and carry on" bit? Maybe you could stay at home & fill in a mental wellbeing survey.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, March 13, 2020, 15:24:22
Looking forward to actually being able to get a table in Soho tonight.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 13, 2020, 15:25:27
Going to help celebrate 'Holi' at an Indian restaurant tonight at the Power Station. I wonder if restaurants and bars will be quieter?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 13, 2020, 15:27:38
Going to help celebrate 'Holi' at an Indian restaurant tonight at the Power Station. I wonder if restaurants and bars will be quieter?
Or like in Italy and shut totally!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 13, 2020, 15:33:14
Or like in Italy and shut totally!

that would be no use at all :) Surely Uber Eats and Deliveroo could make a killing here? Their drivers are all covered and protected and with empty roads should be able to deliver the food when hot?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 13, 2020, 15:35:38
On the plus side of all this, once all passed, that holidays to Italy should be quite cheap to boost the economy?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 15:37:09
we got a cheap flight to HK just after SARS, so yeah, the airlines will need the revenue big time


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Berniman on Friday, March 13, 2020, 16:13:07
Yeah, its annoying that it.

I dont have many friends online so i have to resort to playing with randoms who don't communicate and just do their own thing.

You have me but you don't communicate to me :D

I am on as BernimanUK if anyone to add..  see you all in the warzone :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, March 13, 2020, 16:20:17
You have me but you don't communicate to me :D

I am on as BernimanUK if anyone to add..  see you all in the warzone :)

I never see you online. 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Friday, March 13, 2020, 16:39:39
On the plus side of all this, once all passed, that holidays to Italy should be quite cheap to boost the economy?

I havent booked flights to Portugal yet for this reason


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RedRag on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:15:32
What are the options:

1.  leave tables as they are with promotion and relegation determined on incomplete position (unfair on teams with games in hand)
2.  apply points average to unplayed games to determine table (helps teams with games in hand)
3.  deem remaining games all 0-0 (helps teams with games in hand, unsuccessful ones more than successful ones)
4.  abandon the season with no promotion or relegation (not easy in premier league with CL and Europa or for choosing who does play in EFL Cup early rounds)
5.  attempt to play the games as normal asap but perhaps before June 30 (not much time for players or clubs to plan ahead)
6.  attempt to play games behind closed doors (with I Player pay per view)
7.  too many games and not enough time? Then have some sort of play off based on the present table where issues at stake  (eg  Wycombe are out of the Lg 1 play offs, on goal difference only, but have a game in hand)
8.  play play offs
9.  team finishing top of play off places awarded promotion or drawing of lots.

July would be litigation time (with penalties to decide if hearings not concluded ;) )


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:29:16
...or use all the results from the corresponding fixtures to calculate the remaining results....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:36:13
...or use all the results from the corresponding fixtures to calculate the remaining results....
Modern day version of the "pools panel"!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:42:11
...or simulate all the games on FIFA 20.

Make them full 90 minute matches and put them on iFollow


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:49:53
Maybe those with games in hand should be allowed to play them. Albeit behind closed doors if necessary.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:17:16
We should simply recognise the realities of modern football and arrange the teams in each league in order of wealth.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:20:55
Or in order of the complexity of the closest roundabout?

I don't see how anybody could disagree with that to be fair.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:21:11
Expect a big jump in London tomorrow/Sunday on the figures. Been bat shit crazy today in the world of Local government. If there isn't a big jump, there is some serious lying/misinformation/breakdown in reporting going on.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:21:53
Or in order of the complexity of the closest roundabout?

I don't see how anybody could disagree with that to be fair.

Genius.  Problem solved.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:22:26
Genius.  Problem solved.

Franchise will be delighted


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:26:13
Despite there being zero cases of Coronavirus here on the island, as from tomorrow all cafes and restaurants will close. As per Italy only pharmacies and food stores will be open.

Yikes!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:30:22
Expect a big jump in London tomorrow/Sunday on the figures. Been bat shit crazy today in the world of Local government. If there isn't a big jump, there is some serious lying/misinformation/breakdown in reporting going on.

I suspect the official figures are nonsense, we are in the sticks here yet there is a case in our village and in both of the neighbouring villages.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:31:47
London Marathon gone, along with the Giro


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RedRag on Friday, March 13, 2020, 19:04:14
I suspect the official figures are nonsense, we are in the sticks here yet there is a case in our village and in both of the neighbouring villages.
ditto here in our village (Shere, pop. 1,000 or so) where the surgery closed this pm.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, March 13, 2020, 19:06:07
Have the looters from the 2011 riots been released yet?

Gig tonight for me, & seaside tomorrow. What happened to the "and carry on" bit? Maybe you could stay at home & fill in a mental wellbeing survey.

What a prick.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RedRag on Friday, March 13, 2020, 19:07:04
London Marathon gone, along with the Giro
Wales v Scotland egg chasers off tomorrow too.  There's going to be f.a. sport on tv as we hunker down >:(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 19:21:22
Exact opposite haven't been shopping in 3 weeks. Down to last 2 bog rolls.
Set the garden hose to power jet mode and youíre sorted.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 19:22:01
In the meantime...

The Thai health minister is warning Thais to keep away from farangs (westerners) because they don't wear masks, they never wash, and they don't change their clothes. No, I am not exaggerating.

He is also blaming coronavirus cases in Thailand on farangs bringing it into Thailand from their countries. Somehow ignoring the plain fact that it originated in China.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, March 13, 2020, 19:30:44
Has the mob with burning torches been out yet?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Friday, March 13, 2020, 19:47:58
In the meantime...

1. they don't wear masks

2. they never wash

3. and they don't change their clothes


1. We don't

2. Brits abroad

3. See 2 plus people on those Thai tourist trails do look scruffy nearer the end (except the buff ones in their vests)

I'm with the Thai health minister on all of this (China oversight aside) :toocool:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 19:51:59
1. We don't

2. Brits abroad

3. See 2 plus people on those Thai tourist trails do look scruffy nearer the end (except the buff ones in their vests)

I'm with the Thai health minister on all of this (China oversight aside) :toocool:

To be fair, it does apply to rather a lot of our kinsmen. Some of them are a fucking mess.

It does amuse me when some people I meet in pubs complain that Brits are so often depicted as pissheads.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Friday, March 13, 2020, 20:08:47
So here in spain we are now in a state of emergency. However we can still buy toilet rolls and sanitizer . I just donít get it????


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, March 13, 2020, 20:15:15
So here in spain we are now in a state of emergency. However we can still buy toilet rolls and sanitizer . I just donít get it????

I thought that was just self-imposed by the autonomous region of Catalonia putting themselves in lockdown? Yet the rest of Spain is very much on a par with the UK - No?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Friday, March 13, 2020, 20:21:56
National state of emergency, worst hit is actually Madrid. Over 2000 cases there. Now army on the street, all bars restaurants etc shut in the capital too.

Catalan, rioja, Galicia, Madrid, and parts of Leon and the basque region in lockdown. Malaga province is probably next followed by the rest of Andalucia.

Easter parades look like they may be cancelled which is a fucking huge deal here.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 13, 2020, 20:31:33
I see a lot of countries are closing their borders, wonder if the UK will follow suit?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, March 13, 2020, 20:40:35
I see a lot of countries are closing their borders, wonder if the UK will follow suit?
Thought that was what Brexit was all about.....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Friday, March 13, 2020, 20:51:38
The British medical/scientific community seem to have done their best to avoid simply following the herd and have come up with their conclusions (right or wrong) based on their interpretation of the facts.

In the end, however, everyone buckles under the pressure.  I fear that there is no end to the kneejerk overreaction from here.

As usual, ill-informed social media knows best.





Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 20:56:23
The British medical/scientific community seem to have done their best to avoid simply following the herd and have come up with their conclusions (right or wrong) based on their interpretation of the facts.



And the British constabulary appears to have decided that the Accuri case should not be investigated...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Friday, March 13, 2020, 20:59:35
National state of emergency, worst hit is actually Madrid. Over 2000 cases there. Now army on the street, all bars restaurants etc shut in the capital too.

Catalan, rioja, Galicia, Madrid, and parts of Leon and the basque region in lockdown. Malaga province is probably next followed by the rest of Andalucia.

Easter parades look like they may be cancelled which is a fucking huge deal here.

Just got off the phone with my mum who lives in Portugal.

If you are found to be out whilst suppose to be self isolating it is punishable by 5 years in prison.

Limiting numbers in shops, restaurants etc, all parades cancelled


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: hefty toe on Friday, March 13, 2020, 21:10:46
Anyone know how Swindon's finances will operate with no games? Will insurance cover player wages?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 23:28:40
Just checked my wife's temperature and it's 34.

Does that mean she's dead?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 23:31:18
if it's in fahrenheit the quite possibly.

mind you, she has been hanging around with a westerner, she was warned


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 23:45:49
Just checked my wife's temperature and it's 34.

Does that mean she's dead?

You'll be arrested if you do..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 00:04:24

mind you, she has been hanging around with a westerner, she was warned

Fair point. she had it coming


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 10:17:50
An early halt to the season would have been very much welcome in recent years given the dross served up at STFC, so it is typical something like this occurs when we are on track for our first promotion and possibly title for almost a decade!

I have tried to read up as much as I can and all noises suggest the peak isnít actually expected until another 10-14 weeks. Making a return to action a long way off. However, the suggestion is very much that the season will not be Ďvoidedí - due to the integrity of the competition, legal challenges etc.

By all accounts nothing is being ruled out, including significant re-scheduling to the 20/21 season if this one has to be finished over the summer - what happens with regards to players contracts is anyoneís guess.

One thing for sure is that this will be very messy....and Iím missing the football already!!

Enjoy the first of many non-football Saturdayís TEFírs  :(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 10:37:06
Anyone know what situation swindon supermarkets are like? I take my mum to do her weekly shop on Saturdays and Iím worried he shelves will be bare.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: normy on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 10:44:05
In Asda West Swindon, my wife has just got home saying there is plenty of fresh fruit and veg , cheese , meat, milk etc, but no loo rolls, no pasta, no Iboprufen or paracetomol, few biscuits, and  cereals running low. Also no eggs or flour.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 10:56:23
Anyone know what situation swindon supermarkets are like? I take my mum to do her weekly shop on Saturdays and Iím worried he shelves will be bare.

I popped to Asda Orbial at 7am and a lot of the shelves were empty (baked beans, pasta, rice, biscuits, porridge etc) but plenty of bread, milk, cheese, fruit & veg. Asda are looking at shutting their stores at midnight - 6am so that they can restock shelves as there are too many shoppers turning up during the night plus some getting abusive.
Lidl this morning was basically the same as Asda short on certain items but ok with others


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 12:38:14
The British medical/scientific community seem to have done their best to avoid simply following the herd and have come up with their conclusions (right or wrong) based on their interpretation of the facts.
Not sure that's true of the medical/scientific *community*, there seems to be significant dissenting voices to the "herd immunity" line the CSO is pushing. It's interesting though that many companies are taking it upon themselves to implement social distancing ahead of govt advice to do so. There doesn't seem to be much trust in the official advice.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 13:51:13
Given weíve got a winter World Cup in 2022, and noise sounds like itís a couple of months until the worst is over, would the authorities that be consider restructuring next season to start later and get prepared for the enforced winter break in a few years?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 16:30:09
This panic buying is fucking ridiculous. There's no need. And eggs for fucks sake. Why are people panic buying eggs?!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: china red on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 16:37:32
Yeah supermarket was full of bedraggled workers today, think they are feeling the pressure big time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 16:47:47
This panic buying is fucking ridiculous. There's no need. And eggs for fucks sake. Why are people panic buying eggs?!
So they can binge on them and give themselves constipation when the bog roll runs out :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 16:55:55
Found this earlier for those looking for some enlightenment on the legal position as to what might happen regarding refunds, player contracts etc

https://www.sportslawbulletin.org/coronavirus-sport-law-frustration-and-force-majeure/

TLDR: Sports lawyers haven't got a fucking clue either


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 16:56:27
Every day is pancake day.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 17:14:32
Every day is pancake day.
Full of tossers?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 17:49:14
Full of tossers?

And egg poachers apparently!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 19:05:29
And we have lockdown!!!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 20:36:51
This panic buying is fucking ridiculous. There's no need. And eggs for fucks sake. Why are people panic buying eggs?!

Hopefully they are panic buying contraceptives as well.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 20:40:52
I'm sending the misses out for supplies next week. It's not that I'm panic buying, but every other cunt will be. Kind of like one of those self-fulfilling prophecy jobbies.

I'll be getting food n shit, though. Not bog roll.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 20:43:38
I'm sending the misses out for supplies next week. It's not that I'm panic buying, but every other cunt will be. Kind of like one of those self-fulfilling prophecy jobbies.

I'll be getting food n shit, though. Not bog roll.

The way it's going there won't  be any food to buy


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 20:46:32
Wife stocked up a bit. Not so much panic buying as panicking about the panic buying, obviously we donít want to run out of the essentials

...and Calpol, trying to get some bloody calpol...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 20:55:57
Not so much panic buying as panicking about the panic buying

Same thing.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 21:19:17
Not sure that's true of the medical/scientific *community*, there seems to be significant dissenting voices to the "herd immunity" line the CSO is pushing. It's interesting though that many companies are taking it upon themselves to implement social distancing ahead of govt advice to do so. There doesn't seem to be much trust in the official advice.

Yes you're right, I should have said the govt medical advisors, not the whole community.  Not many of the UK critics have resonated with much credibility to me however.  Certainly I'd rather trust Chris Whitty, whose career has been focussed on combating major infectious diseases around the world, rather than the ignorant ramblings of Jeremy fucking Hunt.

Appreciate that a major exception is the WHO woman making the point that we don't know enough yet about Coronavirus to be sure that it will behave like Smallpox, measles etc. re herd immunity.

I think that the company distancing is inevitable.  Combination of human nature and the modern blame culture.  People always feel happier to be seen to be taking action.  And companies tend to get blamed or sued for failure to act but rarely for over-reacting unnecessarily.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 21:23:44
My daughter's grounded until it blows over (might be a while I know).

She had a bronchial infection earlier this year and she's had pneumonia in the past. It's not so much coronavirus I'm concerned about, but what if she gets another infection and there are no beds for her?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 21:30:40
you can't be too careful there.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 21:35:46
My daughter's grounded until it blows over (might be a while I know).

She had a bronchial infection earlier this year and she's had pneumonia in the past. It's not so much coronavirus I'm concerned about, but what if she gets another infection and there are no beds for her?

What's the intensive care beds situation like in Thailand? 

I listened today to a Uk A&E consultant saying that we have nothing like Italy's capacity here in the UK which didn't exactly sound great.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 21:41:48
What's the intensive care beds situation like in Thailand? 


I don't know to be honest.

They do have decent universal health care, but I very much doubt it can handle a pandemic.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 21:46:55
Anyone got a shopping list for potential lockdown? Without this panic buying bollocks, I'm thinking...

Beer
Rum
Pasta
Cheese
Coffee
Half a pig



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: michael on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 22:18:33
I did our weekly in Asdas this morning, the level of panic buying is incredible, as well as toilet roll, painkillers, soap and pasta, the shelves were also empty for flour, noodles, rice, tinned tomatoes (and purťe), beans and, strangely, bin bags. Fortunately I can live on crisps.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 22:53:00
The whole panic buying thing is only going to escalate further. Reckon next week will get interesting to say the least.

Where's Boris by the way? Gone missing like when the country was under water?
I think Trump is a fucking arsehole but at least he's actually doing something about this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 23:00:39
I did our weekly in Asdas this morning, the level of panic buying is incredible, as well as toilet roll, painkillers, soap and pasta, the shelves were also empty for flour, noodles, rice, tinned tomatoes (and purťe), beans and, strangely, bin bags. Fortunately I can live on crisps.

I was there this morning and no biscuits!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 23:07:27
So everything is shut except supermarkets and pharmacies. We have been told to stay indoors. Public transport has been cut by 50% and is only allowed to be a third full.
You can go to work if essential but the police and army are patrolling the streets and you are only allowed out if you are going to buy food, medication or to the bank.

Supermarkets will be stocked up as normal and transportation of food and essentials is taking priority

This is initially for 14 days but might be longer


I reckon this is you lot by next weekend


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 23:22:27
With rain  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 23:26:40
So everything is shut except supermarkets and pharmacies. We have been told to stay indoors. Public transport has been cut by 50% and is only allowed to be a third full.
You can go to work if essential but the police and army are patrolling the streets and you are only allowed out if you are going to buy food, medication or to the bank.

Supermarkets will be stocked up as normal and transportation of food and essentials is taking priority

This is initially for 14 days but might be longer


I reckon this is you lot by next weekend

Everybody home with nowhere to go so you can imagine the hostile atmosphere at the supermarkets marshalled by bouncers at every aisle


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 23:49:36
Yes you're right, I should have said the govt medical advisors, not the whole community.  Not many of the UK critics have resonated with much credibility to me however.  Certainly I'd rather trust Chris Whitty, whose career has been focussed on combating major infectious diseases around the world, rather than the ignorant ramblings of Jeremy fucking Hunt.

Appreciate that a major exception is the WHO woman making the point that we don't know enough yet about Coronavirus to be sure that it will behave like Smallpox, measles etc. re herd immunity.
Well yes I wasn't referring to Jeremy Hunt. But as you say the WHO seem to be raising a collective eyebrow at the way we're approaching things. John Ashton, former NW regional director of public health has slated the official line, on Question Time and in media interviews since. This evening, over 200 scientists have signed an open letter saying the govt's approach will risk lives (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402). And there's another open letter signed by around 200 experts in the field of behavioural science, questioning the strategy around not declaring stronger measures around social isolation earlier (https://sites.google.com/view/covidopenletter/home).

I don't know who's right - I'm not a virologist or an epidemiologist - I suspect there probably isn't a "right" answer, just several "least worst" options. And rest assured I'm following all the official advice around washing hands etc. But the "herd immunity" strategy is far from proven and there are serious scientific and medical people, including those who *are* qualified to discuss this properly who seem to be very alarmed at the approach the govt is taking.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 02:17:44
Anyone got a shopping list for potential lockdown? Without this panic buying bollocks, I'm thinking...

Beer
Rum
Pasta
Cheese
Coffee
Half a pig



R.E.M's, It's End of The World (As We Know It). On loop for full effect so the neighbours think you've succumbed to a nihilistic way of life, within the realms of the circumstances.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 06:48:40
Just think of all the State Pension money theyíll save with all the old folk theyíll sacrifice.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 08:34:45
Just think of all the State Pension money theyíll save with all the old folk theyíll sacrifice.

Would not surprise me at all in the slightest


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: michael on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 08:37:31
Where's Boris by the way? Gone missing like when the country was under water?
Surely you donít expect him to work weekends?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 08:43:00
Just think of all the State Pension money theyíll save with all the old folk theyíll sacrifice.

I worked out very roughly that @ 1% fatality rate and being in the main coffin dodgers as some of you have termed the elderly on here, oh and right wing gammons, coupled in with the leftie ones who are collateral damage and not forgetting the medically challenged that the government will save about £5.5b per annum. Iím just waiting for when this blows over for someone to suggest another referendum on rejoining the EUSSR and suggesting the cull of aforementioned could swing the result. Still maybe the pension age may come back to 65.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 08:50:58
At 10pm last night the city of Malaga showed their appreciation to the doctors and nurses fighting corona.
Was right across the whole city
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EPMTdFQKrQc


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 09:26:27
Restores some faith in human nature, after the widespread panic buying by the selfish amongst us.


At 10pm last night the city of Malaga showed their appreciation to the doctors and nurses fighting corona.
Was right across the whole city
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EPMTdFQKrQc


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 10:10:58
Restores some faith in human nature, after the widespread panic buying by the selfish amongst us.




What a class touch and so refreshing from seeing the British supermarkets being ransacked


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 10:49:50
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/elderly-to-be-quarantined-for-four-months-in-wartime-style-mobilisation-to-combat-coronavirus/

Just the loneliness will finish some people off if they do this


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 11:05:43
Government are out of touch on this. Both my parents and my in laws got calls from their Gp's saying to stay in no visitors on Friday until further notice.

I also know they aren't fully reporting fatalities, in London certainly.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 11:19:34
Iím not saying the uk isnít doing enough but....

My mate managed to fly from heavily infected Madrid to Gatwick this morning. 240 people from Madrid just walked into England unchecked. Ridiculous.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:05:05
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/elderly-to-be-quarantined-for-four-months-in-wartime-style-mobilisation-to-combat-coronavirus/

Just the loneliness will finish some people off if they do this

Those that are online could always join this forum, you know bit of old fresh meat to ridicule and dismiss as coffin dodgers, gammons and all the shit that flies around on this site directed at that sector of the population. Should add a bit of interest to some on here.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:10:11
Youíre a glass empty sort of person


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:22:03
WTF is a gammon, apart from sunday dinner?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:25:20
If you have to ask the chances are you are one.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:25:28
WTF is a gammon, apart from sunday dinner?

Fuck knows mate but if youíre my age vote conservative and for brexit, youíre a gammon... so.. I do love a nice joint of smoked gammon at Christmas though, roast or boil 😁


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:45:49
As of yet, my flight it Paris on 31st is still on, albeit changed about 20 times. My hotel on the other hand has closed, so i have nowhere to stay.
I think we know how this will end.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:54:10
We are supposed to be going to Turkey on the 19th of April.
Hmmm


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:58:06
WTF is a gammon, apart from sunday dinner?

Explained here: Gammon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gammon_(insult))

The phrase took off/went viral a couple of years ago after a journalist used it in an opinion piece.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:11:35
Quote from: DV Canio
We are supposed to be going to Turkey on the 19th of April.
Hmmm

and there was I thinking Tenerife in August was looking dodgy.

hope your insurance pays out of the worst happens. I've not even checked ours yet..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:12:18
Is it a term used to label people that keep on spouting political bollocks in unrelated threads like a spoilt child that can't have their own way?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:15:22
While we're all in football purdah over the next few months, the rather splendid gent behind twohundredpercent.net has created playlists of over 2000 matches on YouTube from 1950s to 1992. Can see that getting a lot of use in this house over the next few months

https://www.youtube.com/user/200percent/playlists


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:21:33
and there was I thinking Tenerife in August was looking dodgy.

hope your insurance pays out of the worst happens. I've not even checked ours yet..

The wife told me (no idea what her source is) that there is only one reported case in Turkey...

We just have to wait my understanding is weíd only get our money back if they cancel our holiday not if we cancel is...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:32:56
We are supposed to be going to Turkey on the 19th of April.
Hmmm

Weíre hopefully going out to Turkey around Easter but we havenít booked our flights yet. Speaking to friends who live out there that say some flights from 9 countries are banned but Uk and Ireland are not. I suspect that will remain in place for a while as these 2 countries provide huge economical impact on the country. You may or may not know that you no longer need a Visa if you have a UK or Ireland passport. (found out today)

Iím waiting for news as to whether my work is doing wfh for the foreseeable future and then Iím going to book first available flights to Turkey and work from Ďhomeí out there!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:37:52
The wife told me (no idea what her source is) that there is only one reported case in Turkey...

We just have to wait my understanding is weíd only get our money back if they cancel our holiday not if we cancel is...

It was 5 yesterday. 6 today.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:41:05
We are supposed to be going to Turkey on the 19th of April.
Hmmm

Yep I like that, Turkey and gammon go nicely 😁


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:41:53
I've been helping a few guys on twitter who have had their holidays cancelled, it's certainly tough times. One thing it's highlighted is how many people wait until last minute to get their insurance


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:42:09
Is it a term used to label people that keep on spouting political bollocks in unrelated threads like a spoilt child that can't have their own way?

Wow, who knew.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:45:11
and there was I thinking Tenerife in August was looking dodgy.

hope your insurance pays out of the worst happens. I've not even checked ours yet..

A friend recently booked a trip to Dubai in April. I wish I had their nonchalance (and bank balance).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:08:19
Sobering stuff.

Italians over 80 'Will be Left to Die' as Country Overwhelmed by Coronavirus (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/14/italians-80-will-left-die-country-overwhelmed-coronavirus/)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:10:45
Went shopping and bumped into someone who i used to work with and his mrs. Nothing odd about that, but they had a full shopping trolley each. I asked Ďstocking up?í Half jokingly, to get the response Ďwell you can never be too sure, how long we might have to stay off if we have toí

Jesus fucking wept


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:17:43
A friend recently booked a trip to Dubai in April. I wish I had their nonchalance (and bank balance).
I know its a bit different but was speaking to a US colleague on Friday and he was telling me how cheap domestic flights are right now. Return flight from Newark to Tampa, Florida is $55 ($30 of that is taxes)



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:26:32
At 10pm last night the city of Malaga showed their appreciation to the doctors and nurses fighting corona.
Was right across the whole city
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EPMTdFQKrQc

Is that you getting a tune out of the saucepan Mex?  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:32:30
I have just bought a load of shopping trolleys while they are still a pound.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:34:20
Drove past Farmfoods this morning.
There was actually a queue of people waiting for it to open, things must be getting serious folks.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:36:19
You may or may not know that you no longer need a Visa if you have a UK or Ireland passport. (found out today)

Iím waiting for news as to whether my work is doing wfh for the foreseeable future and then Iím going to book first available flights to Turkey and work from Ďhomeí out there!

That's great news regarding the visa waiver (although it was simple enough), does that mean now that time spent in Turkey can be longer (without visa)? Asking for a friend, as I may 'work' out there remotely one day. I have a couple or three friends out there and they used to do the old "just nipping to Rhodes" trick but I believe that has been stamped down by the Turkish Gov.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:52:29
Drove past Farmfoods this morning.
There was actually a queue of people waiting for it to open, things must be getting serious folks.
Its a vicious circle. You have the panic buyers who are unnecessarily stocking up on items. This in turn causes panic across the non panic buyers because they are now panicking that there will not be anything left when they do need it,  ergo, they now feel the need to panic buy.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 15:13:51
That's great news regarding the visa waiver (although it was simple enough), does that mean now that time spent in Turkey can be longer (without visa)? Asking for a friend, as I may 'work' out there remotely one day. I have a couple or three friends out there and they used to do the old "just nipping to Rhodes" trick but I believe that has been stamped down by the Turkish Gov.

Not completely sure to be honest. Think 90 days is still the maximum. Eventually weíre going to try and get residency permits.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 15:20:23
Thereís only so much most people can get in a freezer. Generally, tinned food sucks.

The only thing Iíve probably overstocked on is bread flour and yeast.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 15:36:32
1 wonder how long it will be until the government allows lorry drivers special dispensation, to work over their driving hours,
so that there are plentiful supplies of hand wash and bog rolls on the shelves?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 16:13:47
Iceland in town was pretty quiet and well stocked. Bought a few items, had 1 person in front of me in the queue. No problems. Seems the big supermarkets are having the idiots going mad in them. They're watching each other and copying the behaviour


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 16:33:00
Iceland in town was pretty quiet and well stocked. Bought a few items, had 1 person in front of me in the queue. No problems. Seems the big supermarkets are having the idiots going mad in them. They're watching each other and copying the behaviour

Sainsbury's don't seem to be affected like Asda, Tescos, Aldi and Lidl


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 17:08:29
Sainsbury's don't seem to be affected like Asda, Tescos, Aldi and Lidl

Yesterday, Morrison's over Eldene was lacking in toilet roll but otherwise, not very busy and shelves pretty full.
Aldi in Upper Stratton was a bit busier but nothing too crazy.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 17:12:48
Iceland in town was pretty quiet and well stocked. Bought a few items, had 1 person in front of me in the queue. No problems. Seems the big supermarkets are having the idiots going mad in them. They're watching each other and copying the behaviour

There comes a point where all the stockpilers will have fully stockpiled, and the shops will go through a lean phase where people are not buying much as they run down their supplies.  Spare a thought for the poor bastards eating their 720th consecutive pasta dinner on Feb 22nd, 2022.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 17:13:16
I canít be doing with shops and the people in them so tried to go via the online route. First available slot is in 8 days!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 17:18:26
There comes a point where all the stockpilers will have fully stockpiled, and the shops will go through a lean phase where people are not buying much as they run down their supplies.  Spare a thought for the poor bastards eating their 720th consecutive pasta dinner on Feb 22nd, 2022.

No idea what replacements you will get if you've ordered biscuits,rice,pasta,porridge oats,toilet rolls etc😳


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 17:48:45
Government are out of touch on this. Both my parents and my in laws got calls from their Gp's saying to stay in no visitors on Friday until further notice.

I also know they aren't fully reporting fatalities, in London certainly.
How do you know that? Genuine question, not a dig. And does the update to 35 today account for that? i.e. is it just a case of lagging on making figures public or are you suggesting there's more systemic under-reporting going on?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 18:00:21
I was at a big supermarket in Bournemouth this morning, went in around 9.30 and there were about 100 queuing to get in. Got out around 10.10am and the car park was full, people looking for spaces.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 19:16:56
Can I just reiterate a point I made earlier.

A plane of 200+ people from Madrid- one of the most infected cities on the planet right now, landed at Gatwick this morning and not one person was checked. They all dispersed throughout England many of them on public transport.
This is one plane of many!

Why the fuck are they not being checked???

The uk government lack of doing a fucking  thing is tantamount to manslaughter. Seriously.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 19:21:57
Don't fret.
I'm sure Boris, after taking the weekend off as usual will have a prepared statement to bluster his way through tomorrow to put us all at ease.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: china red on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 19:23:31
Don't fret.
I'm sure Boris, after taking the weekend off as usual will have a prepared statement to bluster his way through tomorrow to put us all at ease.

This is unbelievable, have been hearing this for the past couple of weeks though


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 19:33:46
Johnson is a part time PM.  He is not in charge, and doesn't do detail.  He does what his advisers tell him to.

Tomorrow morning, he'll get a briefing from someone about what's been going on over the weekend.  Right now, he's still sleeping off a boozy roast dinner while Carrie is updating her Instagram account with pictures of animals.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 19:54:06
Johnson is a part time PM.  He is not in charge, and doesn't do detail.  He does what his advisers tell him to.

Tomorrow morning, he'll get a briefing from someone about what's been going on over the weekend.  Right now, he's still sleeping off a boozy roast dinner while Carrie is updating her Instagram account with pictures of animals.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 19:58:30
Can I just reiterate a point I made earlier.

A plane of 200+ people from Madrid- one of the most infected cities on the planet right now, landed at Gatwick this morning and not one person was checked. They all dispersed throughout England many of them on public transport.
This is one plane of many!

Why the fuck are they not being checked???

The uk government lack of doing a fucking  thing is tantamount to manslaughter. Seriously.

I thought all you europhiles should be happy for this? Then they can pile in to our NHS facilities and deprive everyone else who has a right to it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 19:59:08
Don't fret.
I'm sure Boris, after taking the weekend off as usual will have a prepared statement to bluster his way through tomorrow to put us all at ease.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:00:42
I canít be doing with shops and the people in them so tried to go via the online route. First available slot is in 8 days!

Oh dear, how sad, never mind, lovely boy.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:05:05
Do you think LL wasn't able to buy a 16-roll pack of bog rolls in Asda this morning or something?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:10:39
Can I just reiterate a point I made earlier.

A plane of 200+ people from Madrid- one of the most infected cities on the planet right now, landed at Gatwick this morning and not one person was checked. They all dispersed throughout England many of them on public transport.
This is one plane of many!

Why the fuck are they not being checked???

The uk government lack of doing a fucking  thing is tantamount to manslaughter. Seriously.

3000 Athletico Madrid fans were in Liverpool on Wednesday for the Champions League game when they couldn't have attended their own home games at that time.  Certainly seems strange.

That said, I just heard a doctor on 5Live with Colin Murray say several times that it's likely that everyone will get the coronavirus in the UK at some stage, it's just about ensuring infections are spread across the year so that public services can cope.  If someone doesn't get it in this phase, they are likely to get it in the next phase.  The exceptions will be those that don't get it by the time a vaccine is developed.

That was very sobering.  When Colin asked him to repeat what he said, there was actually dead air for a few seconds.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:11:40
Do you think LL wasn't able to buy a 16-roll pack of bog rolls in Asda this morning or something?

No, heís just a gargantuan imbicile.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:12:10
No, heís just a gargantuan imbicile.

Says you.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:12:53
Says you.

Iím sure I wonít be alone.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:21:59
Iím sure I wonít be alone.

Iím sure too.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:26:05
I thought all you europhiles should be happy for this? Then they can pile in to our NHS facilities and deprive everyone else who has a right to it.

As much as I love the NHS the spanish health system is vastly superior. I have used both extensively and itís scary how far the NHS is lagging behind. Why the hell would the spanish want to travel to the UK to use an inferior service? Genuine question?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 20:34:25
Iím sure too.

Love you really LL. stay safe in these difficult times :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 21:18:01
As much as I love the NHS the spanish health system is vastly superior. I have used both extensively and itís scary how far the NHS is lagging behind. Why the hell would the spanish want to travel to the UK to use an inferior service? Genuine question?

My folks live in Spain and the health service they have enjoyed over the last fifteen years has been brilliant.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 21:50:28
How do you know that? Genuine question, not a dig. And does the update to 35 today account for that? i.e. is it just a case of lagging on making figures public or are you suggesting there's more systemic under-reporting going on?

I'm on the DR planning for a Local Authority. I know there were 2 deaths Friday in the borough, They reported 1. But the one they reported was in hospital, and the 2 I know about weren't. I don't think it's deliberate misinformation, just they don't really know the full picture.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 21:54:44
Yesterday, Morrison's over Eldene was lacking in toilet roll but otherwise, not very busy and shelves pretty full.
Aldi in Upper Stratton was a bit busier but nothing too crazy.

Every supermarket and wholesaler near me has been stripped bare of pretty much everything vaguely useful. I'm looking forward to winalot casserole this week. My weekly shop cost me £44 so i'm not moaning, and I didn't queue for 5 hours. I win.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 22:53:14
If this leak to the Guardian proves even to be partially accurate ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 23:01:45
GWH has run out of masks for staff to wear...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bedford Red on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 23:35:49
I've just got in from a lovely three days in Amsterdam. It was very very quiet there, and i think all the people on the Eurostar coming back could have fitted in half a carriage.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 16, 2020, 00:35:12
I'm on the DR planning for a Local Authority. I know there were 2 deaths Friday in the borough, They reported 1. But the one they reported was in hospital, and the 2 I know about weren't. I don't think it's deliberate misinformation, just they don't really know the full picture.
If that's the case, that's staggering incompetence on the part of the national authorities. If you are aware of 2 deaths due to coronavirus, then I assume those deaths have been diagnosed as due to the virus, but they've either not been reported up the chain or not been logged because they're not in a hospital. It's one thing to not bother testing cases outside hospitals and prisons, which seems to be the case now, but to not log the deaths? That's beyond negligent.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, March 16, 2020, 01:08:13
Not completely sure to be honest. Think 90 days is still the maximum. Eventually weíre going to try and get residency permits.

Was kind of hoping that 6 months/120 days was the new limit as would be easier to go "semi-permanent", return to blighty for December for a month, spend month to month in a few other places then head back out May (that would be the plan and then as you say, try to eventually get residency if I enjoy the longer stints). I'll ask my mate who is an ex pat and another who is Izmir born and bred, out there to see what the "official" line is.

Have to catch you for a pint out there some time. If you can handle the natter  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, March 16, 2020, 02:53:27
http://agencia.fapesp.br/cientistas-brasileiros-estao-desenvolvendo-vacina-contra-novo-coronavirus/32743/?fbclid=IwAR0dsRO8fOsbrvOa8nBEg28wTcyRmh0hUR6YkfP7-5XTAP0JUTYfyDxj87A#.Xm7FfKtFeMF.twitter

For those in the high risk groups (like you would be for any other virus), whom we should be looking out for at any time, not just now. Keep your eyes (or ears) on Brazil. A lot of work going on there and while the MSM seems to be enjoying the sadistic element of treating every new positive case, as if it were a death sentence; there could be more positive areas that they could focus on (we know that won't happen).

Out of interest though. It would be fascinating if the MSM were to report every positive case of Influenza and the current deaths since Devember too. Truth is they couldn't as there would be too many to report and fuck me panic levels would go beyond. People would be hot-footing it over to Switzerland to finish themselves off. Oh fuck, you can't even do that there's a flight ban!

In all seriousness, the article above gives strengthened hope to those in the upper 5% of most at risk.

Edit: Here's the WEEKLY data produced by PHE for the week ending 1st March 2020 for Influenza:

c5k ILI cases with c650 hospitalisations and c35 ICU admissions.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/870503/Weekly_national_influenza_report_week_10_2020.pdf


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, March 16, 2020, 10:40:41
GWH has run out of masks for staff to wear...

I don't know where you are getting your information from but this is the latest in a long line of bollocks statements from you. I have literally seen people wearing masks this morning.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 16, 2020, 10:46:10
My read is that the government strategy is for a decent chunk of the population who is healthy to get it, and build immunity. There's a lot of interesting reading on this idea (akin to herd immunity, but protecting the most vulnerable).

Protect the vulnerable, reduce and delay the peak through self-isolation and sensible social considerations, limit the impact on the economy by not closing everything and mitigate against an even more lethal second wave.

The European countries that are on complete lock down - what's the end game? As soon as they lift restrictions, they're in the same position or worse.

The only criticism I've got to this point is comms - but it's an unpalatable message to try and communicate.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 16, 2020, 10:51:59
I don't know where you are getting your information from but this is the latest in a long line of bollocks statements from you. I have literally seen people wearing masks this morning.

It is not bollocks. My wife was on a night shift in SCBU on Friday. She called the premises team, and they said they had run out. SCBU never even had a delivery. I am not one to bullshit.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, March 16, 2020, 10:58:54
They are not dishing out face masks to people who don't need them. Tell her to read her emails, everyone should know this.

I can screenshot if you really like?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 16, 2020, 11:02:16
Massive fallout in my office. My boss has said she is gonna work from home for the forseeable future as she's a bit concerned (her fella has cancer and is at risk).

Someone in a different team on an IM channel called her pathetic for 'overreacting and causing panic'. All hell broke loose. Quite entertaining


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Monday, March 16, 2020, 11:12:39
Is the Prime minister still self isolating or will he do his fucking job?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 16, 2020, 11:14:29
Is the Prime minister still self isolating or will he do his fucking job?
Going by his track record, he has always been an oaf, so technically nothing has changed, work as normal :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 16, 2020, 11:30:42
Thread derailing again, this isn't the politics thread  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Monday, March 16, 2020, 11:57:31
This forum has always derailed. It's a political issue anyway 🤷‍♂️


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 16, 2020, 13:15:52
Best coronavirus advice I've seen so far: "Behave as if you might be spreading it, not as if youíre trying to avoid it."

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1239449303099289600


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 16, 2020, 13:18:11
https://singaporeuncensored.com/tiktok-user-starts-coronavirus-challenge-licks-airplane-toilet/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Leggett on Monday, March 16, 2020, 13:43:43
 ???


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 16, 2020, 14:38:39
Looks like we are going into full lockdown mode from Wednesday. Complete ban on citizens going anywhere either than to get groceries or medicines.

Did a Lidl shop today with Mrs Audrey - only one of us allowed into the shop. We will now get issued with a card when wanting to do a shop - much like the numbered tickets you get for queuing for certain things. Each customer must be 2 sqm away from the next customer.

Weíve had zero cases on Kefalonia!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2020, 15:09:26
Its being rumoured that as of later in the week racing is to be held behind closed doors only, not altogether clear why if that's Ok the same cannot be done for football?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 16, 2020, 15:18:29
Its being rumoured that as of later in the week racing is to be held behind closed doors only, not altogether clear why if that's Ok the same cannot be done for football?
Not the same level of person-person contact for participants in racing as there is in football


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 16, 2020, 15:23:16
I'm told that in some parts of Italy they aren't intervening on >65 year old catching it.

seems unlikely to me, but that's what an Italian doctor who has colleagues over there said...


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 16, 2020, 15:24:26
Quote
Its being rumoured that as of later in the week racing is to be held behind closed doors only, not altogether clear why if that's Ok the same cannot be done for football?
no longer a rumour . from Tuesday

football wasn't closed to protect the public.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 16, 2020, 15:37:36
Wfh across the company from tomorrow, expecting at least two months. Interesting times ahead.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 16, 2020, 15:56:46
I'm told that in some parts of Italy they aren't intervening on >65 year old catching it.

seems unlikely to me, but that's what an Italian doctor who has colleagues over there said...

I think it is true, they are certainly already very public on the point having been reached where decisions need to be taken on where to exert the effort that is available.  Think one Doctor described as trying to decide how to help after an atom bomb.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 16, 2020, 16:07:20
Did a Lidl shop today with Mrs Audrey - only one of us allowed into the shop.

Did you go to the pub?  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 16, 2020, 16:14:18
Did a Lidl shop today with Mrs Audrey - only one of us allowed into the shop.
That's your own fault for going shopping dressed in school uniforms :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 16, 2020, 16:20:48
Richard Branson - THE BILLIONAIRE - lays off his staff for 8 weeks WITHOUT PAY.

How many people will be able to last for 2 months without income. The amount of money involved would be nothings to somebody like him.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mister Lorenzo on Monday, March 16, 2020, 16:24:11
I hope those who are quick to say why aren't we copying this country or that country stop and read the following;

COVID-19 Why we are right to be scared, and what we can do about it. A thread that was first posted on Twitter, replicated here.

Who the hell am I? Iím a former Army officer who runs a charity these days, and isnít a scientist.

Iíve an Environmental Sciences BSc sure, but not Ďan expertí virologist, epidemiologist, or human factors guy. But - I do speak the language, and I am an expert on where the right answers lie.

From 2000 on I trained at Porton Down to specialise in chemical, biological & radiological warfare, deploying in support of UK interests around the world. Christmas 2000 on the Iraq border commanding manned biological detection systems, and things got really busy in 2001.

I started 2001 tracking the virology of F&M in the fields of Cumbria and Devon, but by end of the year I was in Kabul, dealing with some extraordinary challenges, including unsecured Russian Cobalt-60 sources, and Anthrax veterinary vaccine production facilities.

By 03 I was a Major, Chief of Staff to Dep Comd of the Iraq Survey Group. The bloke showing Dr David Kelly around Baghdad days before he returned to face enquiry. Iím not a blind government fanboy. Let's say I learnt the dangers of conflating politics & science the hard way.

I was on the staff at Porton Down, working on a host of projects including planning for military aid to civil authorities, incl pandemics.
So, COVID-19
Scary, isnít it? I think so too.
Thereís also an abundance of information out there, and youíve questions.
Iíve an answer.

The teams behind the Chief Scientific Advisor are extraordinary.
They are genuinely the world leaders in their fields, and they are ridiculously good at their jobs.
They arenít googling the answers, or parroting a line that they just heard from a pushy presenter on TV.

The plans for this stuff are incredibly comprehensive, and help a government to act decisively, and at the right time.
So much in response is about timing Ė and too soon can be more dangerous than too late.
Look at the second (winter) wave of Spanish flu (graph from CDC)

That long game is what they - the experts are considering now.
Pictures of smiling Chinese people removing masks are propaganda, not science. Thatís designed to cause an emotional response, and not in your interests
Success of early containment can only be judged in years.

We Ė in the UK, right now, are doing incredibly well.
Weíll protect our vulnerable best by responding promptly when the time is right, and the people who hold that responsibility deserve our trust and our support.

That takes guts. I know that. Now, more than ever.

Government scientists, advisors and staff also have families, elderly relatives, the immunocompromised.
They arenít automatons, they feel that weight of responsibility.

Party politics simply doesnít come into it. It just doesnít.

So donít pander to it, or point score.

If your knowledge of the subject of pandemic is such that to understand the history of Spanish Flu you need to google it, then your dissent, because you are scared, has only one place.

Your inner monologue. Keep it to yourself.

Be brave. Read up on the .gov advice.

This is even more important than if you have a following for reasons other than your epidemiological expertise, so, some simple advice:

Shut the fuck up, you are scaring people.

People like Piers Morgan might have a voice, but theyíd kill us all if we listened to it. Mute them.

Lastly, donít feel bad about being scared. Iíve been scared, many times, donít mind admitting it.

Turn off and mute the noise of those who seek personal gain by instilling fear and doubt in others. Those that pander and promote the worst in us. Be Kind.

So, look after each other, particularly those who are less able and more at risk.
Look after yourselves, your own mental as well as your physical health.

Follow the science.

Wash your hands.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mister Lorenzo on Monday, March 16, 2020, 16:30:10
Taken from another forum but also interesting;

I am trained as an epidemiologist and a communicable disease physician. I have also worked in predictive modelling in healthcare and in international health systems development. I am not, however, claiming to be an expert, but I would like to make an few observations...

1... it is unwise to draw parallels from one country to another. Many factors will be different from place to place, population age structure, population density, breadth of healthcare coverage, reliability and breadth of testing facilities, reliability and breadth of contact tracing capability, stage of spread when control measures were first introduced, population mobility, and many other things.

2... epidemic curves are a base case estimate and bear little comparison with real world spread. The more a disease spreads, the less reliable they become and the more complex a situation is, the less predictive they will be.

3... In the UK, the actual experts on this sort of thing are known as "Consultants in Communicable Disease Control". In other countries there are different arrangements. While others, such as intensive care specialists, microbiologists, virologist, mathematicians, journalists, acute physicians, behavioural psychologists have a contribution to make, they are not experts on disease spread in the community and should not be regarded (or present themselves) as such

4... Almost everything that I have seen on social media is misleading and inaccurate. Some of it is extremely dangerous. If you want high quality information, you can get it from the health ministry, public health authority or health system of the country you are in. If you don't want to rely solely on government information, look at the official statements from reputable health orientated universities and departments. London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Johns Hopkins and the TH Chan School of Public Health at Harvard are a good place to start. The World Health Organisation has good information, but it has to work in a range of very different countries and so may not be the most practically useful for a particular country.

5... we are not testing everybody in the world, so we can't reliably measure death rates. A simple totting up of the numbers will be a massive overestimate. In addition to this, the way people are tested varies massively from place to place. A low number of cases could mean not much disease or not enough testing.

6... There are only two meaningful strategies for managing an emerging infection. The first is containment, where you isolate cases and trace and test their contacts. If spread within a community becomes too great, this strategy becomes ineffective. The second strategy is herd immunity. The basis of this is that when a certain proportion of people have become immune to an infection, it can no longer spread and so people who are not immune are protected. This is why we vaccinate children. Part of a herd immunity strategy is to protect people at particular risk of harm until lots of low risk people are immune, so the disease can't spread to the vulnerable. A herd immunity strategy is not about culling the vulnerable, it is about protecting the vulnerable. This is a new infection and we are learning about it and our immune responses over time. Strategies will change and develop as knowledge grows

7... in many outbreaks, more people die (usually of things like heart attacks and strokes) because they can't get access to healthcare than die of the infection itself. It is extremely important to make sure that health services are not overwhelmed so that people can get the help they need.

8... there are three key ways we can protect health services. Firstly we need to ensure that, if we don't need to seek healthcare we stay away. Secondly, we "flatten the curve" to stretch out the number of people getting the infection over a longer time period, so they don't all arrive at hospital at the same time. Finally we need to ensure that we have enough people to staff our health and care services. If people can't get childcare, they may not be able to work, so we must be very cautious about closing schools etc.

9... nothing is simple and every action will have risks of negative consequences that we may not initially be aware of, so if something that is obvious to you is not happening, it doesn't necessarily mean that others are stupid or wicked, it is more likely that you are missing part of the picture...

10... social isolation can do a great deal of harm to people, particularly older people and the more vulnerable. As containment and delay measures increase it will be really important that our friends, families and neighbours are supported. If we all check in on those around us, no one will suffer unnecessarily. Now is a good time to start sharing phone numbers.

11... wash your hands


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 16, 2020, 16:51:46
Richard Branson - THE BILLIONAIRE - lays off his staff for 8 weeks WITHOUT PAY.

How many people will be able to last for 2 months without income. The amount of money involved would be nothings to somebody like him.
I think you mean the tax exile billionaire who sued the NHS for 10s of millions of pounds, depriving it of funds that could now be being used to combat this crisis and who is demanding a £7.5bn handout to save his failing business, again money that could be used to help all of us while he holes up and sits the whole thing out on his private island. That billionaire?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2020, 17:19:13
Northern Premier League suspended until further notice.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2020, 17:22:22
https://twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1239512626134224896


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 16, 2020, 17:57:52
Northern Premier League suspended until further notice.

Can imagine it'll all be off now we are into the next phase of distancing.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mr Stevens on Monday, March 16, 2020, 18:13:32
But are we gonna do Stonehenge tomorrow.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 16, 2020, 18:20:34
Tonight's press conference is a bit odd - everyone being 'urged' to avoid social contact where not necessary, but almost nothing is being mandated closed? Seems an odd combination.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2020, 18:23:29
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETPc4_SWkAENhJg?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 16, 2020, 18:24:01
it's also odd - no pubs, clubs, restaurants and theatres

off you go to school tomorrow though ...

I get tying up patents with childcare, but ??


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, March 16, 2020, 18:26:56

Virtual gigs seem to be the in thing at the moment. I've watched a couple live on Facebook and Twitch. Good fun.

Feel sorry for the bands who rely on touring as their income, I'm seeing Billionaires asking the government for handouts when its these guys, the musicians, the artists and pretty much anyone self employed that need help the most.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2020, 18:28:21
Tonight's press conference is a bit odd - everyone being 'urged' to avoid social contact where not necessary, but almost nothing is being mandated closed? Seems an odd combination.

By leaving decisions in the hands of venue owners rather than demanding it, means that the government will not be liable for losses if places choose to close. I also assume it will not make insurance engage?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2020, 18:33:06
So while Branson is asking for £7.5bn bail out from the government whilst demanding his staff take 8 weeks unpaid leave, in France  Louis Vuitton are turning their factories over to produce hand sanitiser FOC for the French Health authorities...

Ever think we may have lost our way as a nation a little....


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 16, 2020, 18:39:27
not really a fair comparison.

there were rumours Air France-klm would need one.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Monday, March 16, 2020, 19:07:35
Bransons a cock


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 16, 2020, 19:08:55
Quote from: tans
Bransons a cock
a beardy cock at that


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 16, 2020, 19:28:34
grass roots football suspended.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 16, 2020, 19:33:51
Virtual gigs seem to be the in thing at the moment. I've watched a couple live on Facebook and Twitch. Good fun.

Feel sorry for the bands who rely on touring as their income, I'm seeing Billionaires asking the government for handouts when its these guys, the musicians, the artists and pretty much anyone self employed that need help the most.
I'm self employed, had a few cancellations but hanging on in there, good job as would have to get in line behind Branson and all the other rich fuckers going cap in hand


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 16, 2020, 19:49:56
So I'm ok to go to work where there are 1200 people, but not to the pub where there are less than 20. Yep good one.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, March 16, 2020, 20:09:22
So I'm ok to go to work where there are 1200 people, but not to the pub where there are less than 20. Yep good one.

How many of those kids would need to be looked after by their grandparents during the day though? Recipe for a disaster

We are in unique times and the answers arenít simple


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 16, 2020, 20:15:29
It's not necessarily the kids. It's the staff in the schools which are off. We have 4 off in one school. Cover supply teachers don't want to go into schools.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 16, 2020, 20:16:02
How many of those kids would need to be looked after by their grandparents during the day though?
Or by a parent who is a medical professional or works in a supermarket etc etc


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 16, 2020, 20:17:52
There are worse things than panic buying bog rolls

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

Thanks to the Yanks for finding a new low


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 16, 2020, 20:31:53
Meanwhile in Holland....

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/16/dutch-panic-buyers-queue-round-block-cannabis-12405192/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2020, 21:29:58
Just pinched this from another page, kind of makes sense now.

COVID-19 plan for UK

Iím going to explain Borisís method for anybody who doesnít quite get it. Iím not saying if I agree with his plan or not but here goes:-

His plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill and at risk) letís call this group A

Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B

The general population, generally healthy can be group C

Group C needs to go about itís business keeping the country moving, kids at school and us at work

Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C

Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because itís generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A

Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting a strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS

Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus self isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community.

Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away. The NHS are not strained by A and B while its looking after complicated cases in C

As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides into groups that take group Bís position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle

With group B and C though the cycle, group A is free to have the NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.

Hope this helps

Everyone has a job to do for the above to work

Stay safe..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, March 16, 2020, 21:37:43
for those that are self employed, have you gone through your insurance for cover of loss of income and has anyone spoke with insurance companies to see if you are covered?

for me unfortunately- it looks like its an add-on that was not selected on the policy. i would imagine that its impossible for me to now act. i am lucky enough that i could go without income for quite a period but that's not to say it isn't needed if a claim would allow.  

edit*

https://www.zenefits.com/workest/is-coronavirus-covered-by-business-interruption-insurance/ (https://www.zenefits.com/workest/is-coronavirus-covered-by-business-interruption-insurance/)

Quote
But while many policies do have business interruption coverage, a significant number of these policies exclude compensation for communicable disease outbreaks, a change many insurers made after the SARS outbreak of 2003.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 16, 2020, 21:45:01
for those that are self employed, have you gone through your insurance for cover of loss of income and has anyone spoke with insurance companies to see if you are covered?

for me unfortunately- it looks like its an add-on that was not selected on the policy. i would imagine that its impossible for me to now act. i am lucky enough that i could go without income for quite a period but that's not to say it isn't needed if a claim would allow. 
what insurance, I only have liability :hmmm:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, March 16, 2020, 21:49:27
what insurance, I only have liability :hmmm:

if its only liability then i guess that only covers 3rd party against you.

a lot of policies include personal accident and loss of earnings.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 16, 2020, 21:52:42
if its only liability then i guess that only covers 3rd party against you.

a lot of policies include personal accident and loss of earnings.
cheers, its not bad for me at the moment, if it does get dodgy i'm going to have a go at getting some of that budget handout :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Monday, March 16, 2020, 22:24:02
Reading pub/restaurant pages on Facebook saying they will open and ignore the advice. Their followers are all saying fuck Boris etc. Unless there is a lockdown like Spain have and tomorrow France introduce, ordered by our government any advice will be ignored. The good old British spirit is now a selfish I'll do what I like non society.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 16, 2020, 22:34:59
I agree Artiba, but humans have always been selfish.. not everyone, but enough.

Thing is, if  the government act like it's an advisory thing through not enforcing it can they honestly be surprised?

It's the same all over. look at the fans that gathered outside PSG for their closed doors friendly....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 16, 2020, 22:37:40
Reading pub/restaurant pages on Facebook saying they will open and ignore the advice. Their followers are all saying fuck Boris etc. Unless there is a lockdown like Spain have and tomorrow France introduce, ordered by our government any advice will be ignored. The good old British spirit is now a selfish I'll do what I like non society.
I don't blame the pubs and restaurants tbh, if the govt want them to close they need to set out an order forcing them to close, then the businesses can claim on their insurance. Without that, if it stays as "advice", they're fucked. A lot of them could go under. I know what you're saying about the individuals though


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Monday, March 16, 2020, 22:40:03
Just pinched this from another page, kind of makes sense now.

COVID-19 plan for UK

Iím going to explain Borisís method for anybody who doesnít quite get it. Iím not saying if I agree with his plan or not but here goes:-

His plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill and at risk) letís call this group A

Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B

The general population, generally healthy can be group C

Group C needs to go about itís business keeping the country moving, kids at school and us at work

Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C

Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because itís generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A

Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting a strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS

Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus self isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community.

Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away. The NHS are not strained by A and B while its looking after complicated cases in C

As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides into groups that take group Bís position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle

With group B and C though the cycle, group A is free to have the NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.

Hope this helps

Everyone has a job to do for the above to work

Stay safe..

I'm AA (i'll get a bra one day) I'm at home now from now for the foreseeable. Mind you was probably safer at work as I've been commuting on empty trains the last few days


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Monday, March 16, 2020, 22:51:32
I agree Artiba, but humans have always been selfish.. not everyone, but enough.

Thing is, if  the government act like it's an advisory thing through not enforcing it can they honestly be surprised?

It's the same all over. look at the fans that gathered outside PSG for their closed doors friendly....

Good points.
I don't blame the pubs and restaurants tbh, if the govt want them to close they need to set out an order forcing them to close, then the businesses can claim on their insurance. Without that, if it stays as "advice", they're fucked. A lot of them could go under. I know what you're saying about the individuals though

Again good points. The most important from both of you is the "advice" part. It needs to be orders, but orders can see the government blamed if it doesn't work.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 00:22:00
Almost valid pints.

We must not eradicate this virus as one day it will save us from the martians.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 01:14:37
Chloroquin- the savior? Sure we will see more about this in the next week.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 04:20:14
Interesting. If true could Quinine not also be considered? As well as Plaquenil. I don;y know huge amounts about Plaquenil (or Chloroquine) but they are chiefly anti-Malarial drugs. I know more about Quinine though.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 07:57:41
Chloroquin- the savior? Sure we will see more about this in the next week.
Also the drugs used to combat HIV have proven successful against the virus


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 08:15:13
As already said by many, the govt edict that we 'should' avoid pubs etc. is bizarre.  That is one area where they surely need to quickly hold their hands up, acknowledge they got it wrong and close them.

One area where I do disagree, perhaps naively, with earlier posters is that I believe the vast majority of people in this country will do the right thing if they are enabled to do it.  That means:
 
1.  Getting the financial support package working for people & businesses that need it.
2.  Ensuring that the govt message is clear & unambiguous.
3.  Getting the media to grasp that their primary job is to keep pushing that message and to be challenging it only when really necessary rather than because they think it is clever and newsworthy to push out contradictory messages.

  


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 09:19:50
Interesting. If true could Quinine not also be considered?

On this basis I am going to crack open the G&T's.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 09:32:54
I'm meant to be staying to Brixham next weekend and attending a music festival in Paignton. I'm sure it will be cancelled. I can get a refund on my Airbnb but the pre bought train tickets are currently non refundable. I don't know whether to still go down and drive there and just go for walks and mind our own business really. Guess I'll wait until this time next week and see how things are🥴


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 09:39:36
I am currently fucking furious.

Ive lost all my work until at least May, but realistically I cant see my business getting back until August.

That sloping shouldered piece of shit Johnson has thrown my entire industry under the bus to protect his insurance company mates.

I was sitting watching his pathetic abdication of duty whilst running a show at the roundhouse.  We'd sold 2000 tickets and we are left with him telling the country not to go out.  Whether this is right or not he has to actually enforce it not just suggest it.  So Im left to make the decision of whether or not we open the doors on a gig.

We did and less than 48% of the ticket buyers came to it.

If he doesnt enforce a shutdown we get no support.  Our cancellation insurance does not get paid.  Our industry, the theatre industry, the comedy industry every creative art is fucked by this pathetic non leadership.

A massive crisis is happening and we have leaders showing nothing but self interest.

I really might as well declare bankruptcy now.  There is now no purpose, no need for me.

Absolute disgraceful cunt.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 09:42:27
I am currently fucking furious.

Ive lost all my work until at least May, but realistically I cant see my business getting back until August.

That sloping shouldered piece of shit Johnson has thrown my entire industry under the bus to protect his insurance company mates.

I was sitting watching his pathetic abdication of duty whilst running a show at the roundhouse.  We'd sold 2000 tickets and we are left with him telling the country not to go out.  Whether this is right or not he has to actually enforce it not just suggest it.  So Im left to make the decision of whether or not we open the doors on a gig.

We did and less than 48% of the ticket buyers came to it.

If he doesnt enforce a shutdown we get no support.  Our cancellation insurance does not get paid.  Our industry, the theatre industry, the comedy industry every creative art is fucked by this pathetic non leadership.

A massive crisis is happening and we have leaders showing nothing but self interest.

I really might as well declare bankruptcy now.  There is now no purpose, no need for me.

Absolute disgraceful cunt.

I know my words are of no help but i am furious for you. I have a lot of friends in the music industry and its horrible seeing them fucked over. I really hope something changes and BJ does the right thing.
I wish there was more we could do to help.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 09:58:43
I am currently fucking furious.

Ive lost all my work until at least May, but realistically I cant see my business getting back until August.

That sloping shouldered piece of shit Johnson has thrown my entire industry under the bus to protect his insurance company mates.

I was sitting watching his pathetic abdication of duty whilst running a show at the roundhouse.  We'd sold 2000 tickets and we are left with him telling the country not to go out.  Whether this is right or not he has to actually enforce it not just suggest it.  So Im left to make the decision of whether or not we open the doors on a gig.

We did and less than 48% of the ticket buyers came to it.

If he doesnt enforce a shutdown we get no support.  Our cancellation insurance does not get paid.  Our industry, the theatre industry, the comedy industry every creative art is fucked by this pathetic non leadership.

A massive crisis is happening and we have leaders showing nothing but self interest.

I really might as well declare bankruptcy now.  There is now no purpose, no need for me.

Absolute disgraceful cunt.

Feel for you. The arts, retail and hospitality industries are the current front-line. No one knew how fast or how deeply the country would pay with its lives or livelihoods for electing a callous chancer manipulated by big money and cynical opportunists. The derogation of responsibility is shocking, especially when compared with the rest of Europe.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 10:08:26
Old BJ made a right fuck up. I hope he slept well. I'm not very political, but that 'show' last night was a farce.

As others have said he needs to force the shut or nothing. Why did he even mention it? Pubs/Restaurants/Social events will all be affected. They can't claim on insurance as it's advised only.

This whole thing is farcical. I genuinely don't understand what is going on. This virus was around before christmas but no one battered an eye lid. People just got on with it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 10:25:02
As already said by many, the govt edict that we 'should' avoid pubs etc. is bizarre.  That is one area where they surely need to quickly hold their hands up, acknowledge they got it wrong and close them.

One area where I do disagree, perhaps naively, with earlier posters is that I believe the vast majority of people in this country will do the right thing if they are enabled to do it.  That means:
 
1.  Getting the financial support package working for people & businesses that need it.
2.  Ensuring that the govt message is clear & unambiguous.
3.  Getting the media to grasp that their primary job is to keep pushing that message and to be challenging it only when really necessary rather than because they think it is clever and newsworthy to push out contradictory messages.
Don't think you're naive at all. There will always be exceptions, always be some selfish dickheads, but if people are given clear messages and clear leadership, I agree they will in the main try to do the right thing. Sadly we're lacking in both at the moment.

One thing I missed last night but which has become apparent this morning is that this is a massive U-turn by the govt. Following a new modelling study done at Imperial College based on the data from Italy, the scientists are admitting now that the "herd immunity" strategy isn't going to work, at least not in the short term without a vaccine, and that we do need to move (albeit belatedly) to a much more stringent lockdown model.  That is what this is about. And while they have massively fucked up the communication of it, surely there will have to be a financial safety net for pubs and the entertainment industry in what Sunak announces today? Macron has unrolled a e300bn package in France to stave off the effects on the French economy. That gives some idea of how inadequate the £12bn announced last week now looks.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 10:28:08
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Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 10:31:46
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Brilliant. Nicking that.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 11:51:43
Yup, very good  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 12:04:14
Don't think you're naive at all. There will always be exceptions, always be some selfish dickheads, but if people are given clear messages and clear leadership, I agree they will in the main try to do the right thing. Sadly we're lacking in both at the moment.

One thing I missed last night but which has become apparent this morning is that this is a massive U-turn by the govt. Following a new modelling study done at Imperial College based on the data from Italy, the scientists are admitting now that the "herd immunity" strategy isn't going to work, at least not in the short term without a vaccine, and that we do need to move (albeit belatedly) to a much more stringent lockdown model.  That is what this is about. And while they have massively fucked up the communication of it, surely there will have to be a financial safety net for pubs and the entertainment industry in what Sunak announces today? Macron has unrolled a e300bn package in France to stave off the effects on the French economy. That gives some idea of how inadequate the £12bn announced last week now looks.

Yes I've been heartened by stories of people setting up neighbourhood groups to look out for each other and arrange shopping etc. for their at risk neighbours.  In Bristol an impromptu voucher scheme has sprung up whereby you buy a voucher from your favourite local restaurant/bar/club/hairdresser which they'll redeem for the equivalent service when it becomes viable to do so.  Not practical for everyone to do of course, and not a universal solution, but gives not just  financial assistance to businesses but reinforces to them that their customers may have disappeared temporarily but they care that they keep going.

As for the govt, yes the budget never envisaged something like this.  Whether it should have done is not as relevant as whether Sunak is going to step up to the mark today. 



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 12:53:47
I feel for you Sax. I'm in the early stages of setting up my own creative management company (alongside my photography) and have been on the verge of getting my plan approved by lenders. That's currently in limbo. In the meantime, I had 2 filming shoots, a couple of gigs and a Charity Ball upcoming end of this month/into April. All cancelled of course.

It's not a huge order book granted but I am starting out. All this has fucked my current strategy but lack of clarity from Gov also means I'm left uncertain whether to change my own strategy. A lot of what I do relies on face 2 face networking too. It can work without for some things but I'm not really near that stage yet. Events, shoots, gigs etc need physical presence anyway. Potential art clients can view digital images/galleries of paintings/sculptures etc but they like to see them in the flesh more often than not.

I don't expect any help but for the short term I'm left back at pretty much zero. I think anyone knows starting any business from scratch isn't easy, sustaining it also.

All I can offer is at least when we come through this we will have a chance to rebuild. Creative arts and public will be hungry for entertainment.

At least we're not dead yet.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 13:31:02
On this basis I am going to crack open the G&T's.

Don't, you'll start a monumental shift of panic buying fucking Andrex to Schweppes  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 13:38:02
Euros -> 2021 according to Norwegian FA


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 13:39:58
I feel for you Pax. I'm in the early stages of setting up my own creative management company (alongside my photography) and have been on the verge of getting my plan approved by lenders. That's currently in limbo. In the meantime, I had 2 filming shoots, a couple of gigs and a Charity Ball upcoming end of this month/into April. All cancelled of

I don't expect any help but for the short term I'm left back at pretty much zero. I think anyone knows starting any business from scratch isn't easy, sustaining it also.

All I can offer is at least when we come through this we will have a chance to rebuild. Creative arts and public will be hungry for entertainment.

At least we're not dead yet.
Feel for you Bamboo, Good luck mate.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 13:40:11
Horse racing stopping until the end of April.
What are us gambling addicts expected to bet on?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 13:41:20
date when horse racing will really be on again?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 13:48:59
Govt now advising against non-essential foreign travel, warning that there is a risk people may not be able to return to the country if further travel restrictions are imposed (i.e. they are on the table)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 13:53:20
Euros off...2021 now.

Havent read back....so apologise if im late.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 14:00:35
Euros off...2021 now.

Havent read back....so apologise if im late.
Just like the Summer Ball.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 14:35:45
Govt now advising against non-essential foreign travel, warning that there is a risk people may not be able to return to the country if further travel restrictions are imposed (i.e. they are on the table)

For 30 days.

Our holiday is in 32 days!!



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 14:43:31
Feel for you Bamboo, Good luck mate.

Yup.  Same.  Really shitty timing for you.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:08:02
Feel huge sympathy for all of you being adversely affected, for now we are OK but who knows once Councils strat to grand to a halt etc.

On a slightly lighter note, any news whether we are taking part in this?

https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/03/17/ultimate-quaran-team-raising-money-through-togetherness/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:30:04
I think I should be OK *touches wood*.

I do all of my work online and my clients work in related (online) fields. If anything, I might even see more work as people have more time to spend on personal projects. That, and other people in general are likely to be spending a lot more time on the internet (more ad revenue).

They've closed the pubs etc today though. Booo.

Also, I sent the wife our for 'a few bits in case'. We're now prepared for WWIII.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:32:10

Also, I sent the wife our for 'a few bits in case'. We're now prepared for WWIII.

Mrs Horlock07 had an online shop delivered today, not sure she really gets stockpiling as the main components were 6 wine boxes some Belgian beer and a load of Prosecco!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:32:46
Mrs Horlock07 had an online shop delivered today, not sure she really gets stockpiling as the main components were 6 wine boxes some Belgian beer and a load of Prosecco!
Mmmm Belgian beer, my favourite, what type?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:35:46
This whole thing is farcical. I genuinely don't understand what is going on. This virus was around before christmas but no one battered an eye lid. People just got on with it.

Having personally endured a lengthy, nasty, and has to be said, unusual bug pre and post-Xmas, this one is intriguing, having seen very many similar claims on social media. Don't recall reading of anyone with that winter bug being rushed into ICU and hooked up to a ventilator as a result, perhaps it went under the radar.

It's a comforting thought to believe you're immune from CV, potentially, but with hundreds of different strains of virus out there, many with similar symptoms, has to be wishful thinking, don't you think  ?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:36:40
Mrs Horlock07 had an online shop delivered today, not sure she really gets stockpiling as the main components were 6 wine boxes some Belgian beer and a load of Prosecco!
Not sure you get it, sounds like she's nailed it!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:49:56
Mmmm Belgian beer, my favourite, what type?

Leffe Blonde, Asda's online selection is very limited. Am supposed to be going cycling in Belgium start of May so would have got the chance to stock up at Carrefour but suspect that's gone down the toilet now!

Having personally endured a lengthy, nasty, and has to be said, unusual bug pre and post-Xmas, this one is intriguing, having seen very many similar claims on social media. Don't recall reading of anyone with that winter bug being rushed into ICU and hooked up to a ventilator as a result, perhaps it went under the radar.

It's a comforting thought to believe you're immune from CV, potentially, but with hundreds of different strains of virus out there, many with similar symptoms, has to be wishful thinking, don't you think  ?

My Missus had a god awful bug/chest infection that just wouldn't shift over Christmas and January, however I suspect Sippo is reflecting upon the fact it was around in China around Christmas?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:52:08
Nope. In this country. My wife was ill, in November/December. There was a lot going around. We just got on with it. Night Nurse works wonders.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 15:56:01
Leffe Blonde, Asda's online selection is very limited. Am supposed to be going cycling in Belgium start of May so would have got the chance to stock up at Carrefour but suspect that's gone down the toilet now!
Leffe is ok as a bog standard quite drinkable.

I go to Belgium every couple of years and am off there again in August (fingers crossed!) Carrefour is decent and very cheap, always load the car up at one before we come back, so bloody cheap too, the beers I buy (normally nothing under 9% but up to 20%) are about £4 each here and in Carrefour they are 50p!

I get an order every month or 2 from either Beerwulf or Beers of Europe online.

Nice!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:02:28
Leffe is ok as a bog standard quite drinkable.

I go to Belgium every couple of years and am off there again in August (fingers crossed!) Carrefour is decent and very cheap, always load the car up at one before we come back, so bloody cheap too, the beers I buy (normally nothing under 9% but up to 20%) are about £4 each here and in Carrefour they are 50p!

I get an order every month or 2 from either Beerwulf or Beers of Europe online.

Nice!

We had got a good route planned which was going to include a visit here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westvleteren_Brewery but shit happens, if not this year maybe next!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:03:38
Nope. In this country. My wife was ill, in November/December. There was a lot going around. We just got on with it. Night Nurse works wonders.
You're comparing apples with oranges. The danger from coronavirus is not primarily to people like you and your missus. It's to people who have existing illnesses that suppress their immune systems or existing bronchial conditions or people who are elderly. They are all at severe risk and may die if they catch it. If we all "just get on with it", then we run round spreading the virus and increasing the chance that the vulnerable will catch it and be severely ill or die.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:07:03
Nope. In this country. My wife was ill, in November/December. There was a lot going around. We just got on with it. Night Nurse works wonders.

But was that Coronavirus or just another of the plethora of shitty flu type bugs we have every year. As I said above my missus was absolutely rotten with it for about 6 weeks (which has made her very worried about Coronavirus as she has asthma which was shitty with this other bug). Everyone had a version of it in the village.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:07:31
See Barnet have laid off all non-playing staff, its going to bite football hard!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:08:01
We had got a good route planned which was going to include a visit here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westvleteren_Brewery but shit happens, if not this year maybe next!
Like a bit of Westvleteren beer. Not done that Brewery but we are staying the night at Ypres in August so may look at it.

Last time we went and did the Gordon Brewery (my favourite beer ever) and if you can get there the Chimay Brewery is well worth it they make several beers that are only sold at the Brewery and their cheeses are amazing too, takes your mind off Coronovirus ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:14:07
You're comparing apples with oranges. The danger from coronavirus is not primarily to people like you and your missus. It's to people who have existing illnesses that suppress their immune systems or existing bronchial conditions or people who are elderly. They are all at severe risk and may die if they catch it. If we all "just get on with it", then we run round spreading the virus and increasing the chance that the vulnerable will catch it and be severely ill or die.
Whilst that is true, the same - if not worse - can be said of seasonal flu. Nobody bats and eyelid with that. If the old and unhealthy catch it the result is much the same.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:14:33
Like a bit of Westvleteren beer. Not done that Brewery but we are staying the night at Ypres in August so may look at it.

Last time we went and did the Gordon Brewery (my favourite beer ever) and if you can get there the Chimay Brewery is well worth it they make several beers that are only sold at the Brewery and their cheeses are amazing too, takes your mind off Coronovirus ;)

We were supposed to be having two nights in Wipers (it was planned basically as a beer and WW1 trip), so the plan was to have a spin out to Poperinge on the middle day, do the hops museum there then there is also a c.40k beer cycle ride from there that takes in the breweries.

My fave is probably Kwaremont, but might be a bit biased as had two big day long sessions on the Oude Kwaremont watching the Tour of Flanders!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:15:51
Whilst that is true, the same - if not worse - can be said of seasonal flu. Nobody bats and eyelid with that. If the old and unhealthy catch it the result is much the same.

There is a vaccine for flu, we could be 18 months away before we know of a vaccine for coronavirus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:18:06
Whilst that is true, the same - if not worse - can be said of seasonal flu. Nobody bats and eyelid with that. If the old and unhealthy catch it the result is much the same.

Coronavirus appears to have a MUCH higher fatality rate. If estimates of killing 1% of people are right, then that would mean it will kill 10x as many people as the flu does

It may also cripple the health system - putting people at higher risk of dying from other diseases.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:24:06
Whilst that is true, the same - if not worse - can be said of seasonal flu. Nobody bats and eyelid with that. If the old and unhealthy catch it the result is much the same.
"if not worse" - worse than death?
a) there is treatment for flu
b) the mortality rate seems to be far higher for coronavirus
c) the numbers requiring hospital treatment, even where they are not elderly, are far higher for coronavirus. Running the risk that the health service gets overwhelmed.

This is far worse than flu. Utterly astonished that that message hasn't got through yet.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:24:25
I thought it was 3%. great news if its 1%


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:24:50
"if not worse" - worse than death?
a) there is treatment and a vaccine for flu
b) the mortality rate seems to be far higher for coronavirus
c) the numbers requiring hospital treatment, even where they are not elderly, are far higher for coronavirus. Running the risk that the health service gets overwhelmed.

This is far worse than flu. Utterly astonished that that message hasn't got through yet.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:24:58
We were supposed to be having two nights in Wipers (it was planned basically as a beer and WW1 trip), so the plan was to have a spin out to Poperinge on the middle day, do the hops museum there then there is also a c.40k beer cycle ride from there that takes in the breweries.

My fave is probably Kwaremont, but might be a bit biased as had two big day long sessions on the Oude Kwaremont watching the Tour of Flanders!
Kwaremont is a bit on the weak side for my pallate, I normally drink nothing under 8% or 9%. Lovely area, we did the WW1 stuff last time and we are taking the step daughter this time for her first beer holiday!

Hope you get there!

We went to lay a rose on the Menin Gate for my Great Uncle who is named on it, very moving and the Belgies are lovely people and very friendly.

The 600,000 little orange scultures near Ypres is incredible at ComingWorldRememberMe.

Now back to Coronavirus.....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:30:26
Feel huge sympathy for all of you being adversely affected, for now we are OK but who knows once Councils strat to grand to a halt etc.

On a slightly lighter note, any news whether we are taking part in this?

https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/03/17/ultimate-quaran-team-raising-money-through-togetherness/

Answering my own question, yes.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETT6oNcWsAIqyFI?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:31:52
I thought it was 3%. great news if its 1%
We don't really know what it is because we don't know with any accuracy how many people are infected. It's running at around 7% in Italy. And we're at the start here. We won't have a good idea what the mortality rate is here until people start dying in numbers :(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:32:58
There is a vaccine for flu, we could be 18 months away before we know of a vaccine for coronavirus.

But flu still kills thousands of people every year. The flu jab just reduces the risk of catching it. Still affects old people and underlying conditions.

Not being confrontational, but I genuinely don't understand it all. Maybe I won't. It just all seems a bit extreme for me. What happens when this phase passes and it returns later in the year?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:33:47
But flu still kills thousands of people every year. The flu jab just reduces the risk of catching it. Still affects old people and underlying conditions.
Read the other answers above. This is far worse than flu.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:41:37
But flu still kills thousands of people every year. The flu jab just reduces the risk of catching it. Still affects old people and underlying conditions.

Not being confrontational, but I genuinely don't understand it all. Maybe I won't. It just all seems a bit extreme for me. What happens when this phase passes and it returns later in the year?

Are you just choosing to ignore what others have already said?

It is expected to be FAR worse than the flu. It could kill A LOT of people. Potentially hundreds of thousands in the UK alone. Perhaps even more.

What is it about that that you can't understand? Genuine question.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:47:09
Lady who sits next to my wife at work tested positive earlier. Eek.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 16:56:08
The problem people are having with the flu confusion is that it's been around for years and we have vaccines that reduce the potential spread of the disease and impact of getting it, on top of the lower mortality rate.

On top of that Covid-19 is early in the epidemic stage in each country (it's very interesting looking at the various Day + graphs that are available to see how each country has a very similar curve after Day 1 - first patient).  Then you have different countries hit in different ways because they are reacting to it differently.  There is some good modelling available that shows through a simulation the impact various types of social distancing can have on spread and it appears the data is converging that the ONLY way to slow the curve sufficiently is practically isolation (China and to a lesser extent South Korea, where demographics of the outbreak helped them a bit).  Italy is currently showing what happens when the virus gets into a population with a higher age spread and more people with lung conditions.

Essentially - people see panic right now because of where we are at the curve vs Flu.  The problem is that not taking action today means a curve that pushes this well beyond Flu within a matter of weeks.

The mortality rate is also going to change rapidly because it impacts different age groups in different ways - so Italy may remain worse than most other countries and South Korea may have got lucky for now rather than being ahead of the curve.

This is at least 10x worse than flu in terms of potential deaths, if it is allowed to get to the same levels of infection as Flu before a vaccine is created.  Once you get a vaccine, assuming it is as effective, the higher mortality rate SHOULD mean it ends-up being less impactful over time than flu.  The panic is necessary - you cannot let this be let loose like Flu is now allowed to be (actually, it probably raises some good questions about how we handle that - things like people being scorned if they take days off when they are not at deaths door for example).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 17:21:18
Funny you mention South Korea, North Korea has been very quiet!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 17:27:34
Barnet have put all of their non-playing staff on notice of redundancy due to coronavirus. They won't be the last and this won't be the worst of it.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/all-barnet-staff-laid-off-because-of-coronavirus-pandemic


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 17:29:02
You have got to love the guy....

https://twitter.com/JamesMilner/status/1239954319425720320


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 17:29:08
Are you just choosing to ignore what others have already said?

It is expected to be FAR worse than the flu. It could kill A LOT of people. Potentially hundreds of thousands in the UK alone. Perhaps even more.

What is it about that that you can't understand? Genuine question.


I donít know. Maybe I am trying to think positive and donít understand why all the panic stations. I understand itís serious but maybe a bit naive on how serious it is. Everyone I speak to seems to think we are over reacting.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 17:40:52
Barnet have put all of their non-playing staff on notice of redundancy due to coronavirus. They won't be the last and this won't be the worst of it.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/all-barnet-staff-laid-off-because-of-coronavirus-pandemic

Mentioned 2 pages back  ;) keep up at the back.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 17:49:47
Mentioned 2 pages back  ;) keep up at the back.
Doh!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:05:23
I donít know. Maybe I am trying to think positive and donít understand why all the panic stations. I understand itís serious but maybe a bit naive on how serious it is. Everyone I speak to seems to think we are over reacting.

This is why I fear so many people will die.

Thinking positively will not prevent the spread.  Lockdowns will only slow infection rates if a vaccine is at least a year away.
Think about our population size and what it means if the majority get infected, which they inevitably will. Hospitals simply wouldnít have the staff, beds or essential equipment to cope with the elderly or vulnerable people who will need medical attention. If the virus doesnít kill them, the lack of specialist care will.

If you have grandparents or older parents, itís really important you and everyone reading takes as many preventative measures as possible to slow the spread.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:09:16
Rishi Sunak is giving the press conference Boris should have given yesterday. Money for every business, guaranteed loans with no interest, suspending business rates. Three month mortgage holidays for anyone struggling with payments.

This is fucking action, not "we don't think you should go to the pub".

I realise it's not hard to look like a leader stood next to Johnson but this is how it's done.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:12:34
Rishi Sunak is giving the press conference Boris should have given yesterday. Money for every business, guaranteed loans with no interest, suspending business rates. Three month mortgage holidays for anyone struggling with payments.

This is fucking action, not "we don't think you should go to the pub".

I realise it's not hard to look like a leader stood next to Johnson but this is how it's done.
Indeed. £330bn in total, hopefully means we might have some kind of economy once we come out of all this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:14:02
Rishi Sunak is giving the press conference Boris should have given yesterday. Money for every business, guaranteed loans with no interest, suspending business rates. Three month mortgage holidays for anyone struggling with payments.

This is fucking action, not "we don't think you should go to the pub".

I realise it's not hard to look like a leader stood next to Johnson but this is how it's done.
Has he said anything particular to help out the entertainment/catering sector?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:18:24
Has he said anything particular to help out the entertainment/catering sector?

I think so. Talked about tax relief, grants for leisure and hospitality businesses, which I guess is broadly the same thing? Will need to wait for the detail but the theme of what he's saying is the Govt will support everything.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:29:56
Is the International community in general going to exert pressure on China to get rid of these disgusting Ďwet marketsí - the alleged starting point of Coronavirus?

There is a YouTube video doing the rounds of a girl eating a live chicken. Iíd post it but, IMO, itís too stomach churning.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:30:28
This is why I fear so many people will die.

Thinking positively will not prevent the spread.  Lockdowns will only slow infection rates if a vaccine is at least a year away.
Think about our population size and what it means if the majority get infected, which they inevitably will. Hospitals simply wouldnít have the staff, beds or essential equipment to cope with the elderly or vulnerable people who will need medical attention. If the virus doesnít kill them, the lack of specialist care will.

If you have grandparents or older parents, itís really important you and everyone reading takes as many preventative measures as possible to slow the spread.

Precisely - Italy is now seeing over 200 deaths a day, a nation of similar size to the UK.  Even if they stalled the rate of increase now, that would be a much bigger impact than flu has.  Now remember that Italy has been in complete lock down for a week, not just asking people not to pop to the pub.  The reality is that if they hadn't taken action you could well expect that death rate to continue rising each day as well.  The good news is that Lombardy has actually seen a small decline in rate of increase now, so it does seem the lock down is beginning to have an impact (with a 14 day incubation period you can probably expect another week or two of bad news).

If the UK just let everyone carry on about their business, we'd be at 200+ deaths a day within a week from now, but we wouldn't have done anything to stop that rate of increase.  Italy has already shown the world that treating this like flu means you have about 4 weeks before you find yourself in a far worse daily situation than Flu has given us since the 60's, and the type of mortality rate that the 1918 Flu brought with it.  So yes, it could be just like that flu - fucking catastrophic.  We know enough these days to pause the spread and get vaccine's out to prevent 1918 from happening this time, thankfully.  BUT, ignoring it is not the way we do that.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:32:10
Is the International community in general going to exert pressure on China to get rid of these disgusting Ďwet marketsí - the alleged starting point of Coronavirus?
Not just China, plenty of countries in the developing world have these kind of live animal markets. And "almost certainly not" is the answer I'd imagine, but you're right they should do


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:34:24
I think so. Talked about tax relief, grants for leisure and hospitality businesses, which I guess is broadly the same thing? Will need to wait for the detail but the theme of what he's saying is the Govt will support everything.
Hope there's support in there for folks on zero hours contracts as well. A lot of those people are on the edge anyway and foodbanks are already struggling to cope.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:35:43
These are strange times, the USA is on the verge of giving people financial assistance and subsidising private enterprise!  They'll be offering the vaccine and treatment free at point of care soon......Oh!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:38:02
Not just China, plenty of countries in the developing world have these kind of live animal markets. And "almost certainly not" is the answer I'd imagine, but you're right they should do
Wasnít aware it was so widespread. Youíd have thought the economic carnage wreaked on China might change attitudes - but I doubt it.

Apparently the pangolin being the source was their blood being let whilst still alive and poured over rice and eaten


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:47:33
A good announcement by the government today. Would imagine many pubs etc to close now the government have said they can claim on insurance for doing so

Would the lending of the £330bn likely come with restrictions e.g. has to be linked to expected income or cover a certain percentage of annual/6 monthly payroll??


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 18:51:15
I bet the % of insurance policies that cover pandemics is appallingly low


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 19:03:39
Sunak spoke extremely well, as he did announcing the budget last week (his quip towards McDonnell was superb). He really does make Boris look even more bumbling which is some achievement!

Certainly better than last nights conference, letís hope for more of the same....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 19:08:45
UEFA aiming for all European domestic leagues to be completed by 30 June.

Fat chance.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 19:11:09
Compare and contrast, and this is just the start.

Germany - 8,639 confirmed cases, 23 total deaths.

UK - 1,950 confirmed cases, 71 total deaths.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 20:23:36
Compare and contrast, and this is just the start.

Germany - 8,639 confirmed cases, 23 total deaths.

UK - 1,950 confirmed cases, 71 total deaths.
Is there any suggestion as to why the German mortality rate should be so much lower than ours?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 20:35:27
Is there any suggestion as to why the German mortality rate should be so much lower than ours?

Testing?? Youíd imagine the Germans with their efficiency and all have done a lot more testing than we have?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 20:56:33
Hope there's support in there for folks on zero hours contracts as well. A lot of those people are on the edge anyway and foodbanks are already struggling to cope.
Apparently nothing for people on zero hours contracts, and help for mortgages but not those falling behind on rent. That's disappointing, leaving aside the morality of not helping the most vulnerable economically, it also means people with symptoms are likely to be faced with a choice of going to work anyway or losing their home. Which isn't going to help contain this thing. I hope this is wrong and it turns out there will be help for the zero hours workers and renters.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 21:01:05
Testing?? Youíd imagine the Germans with their efficiency and all have done a lot more testing than we have?

Yep, with it possible up to 50,000 around the UK have the disease, the death rate is pretty low.
The NHS have only been testing people in hospitals and not those with mild symptoms, so the death rate will look higher that way.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 21:07:33
Apparently nothing for people on zero hours contracts, and help for mortgages but not those falling behind on rent. That's disappointing, leaving aside the morality of not helping the most vulnerable economically, it also means people with symptoms are likely to be faced with a choice of going to work anyway or losing their home. Which isn't going to help contain this thing. I hope this is wrong and it turns out there will be help for the zero hours workers and renters.

The optimistic view on this is that these are harder problems that they'll need to work out a little more - an enforced mortgage holiday costs the banks who the government can just directly support/offer a few knighthoods to board members to mollify. Rent controls or banning evictions are just simply more complicated policies with more nuance required, which is obviously difficult to do in a crisis. I'd expect measure for these people to follow in the next few days - the mood music of the announcement was very much nobody left behind, even though I agree detail in these areas would be hugely beneficial.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 21:09:05
Is there any suggestion as to why the German mortality rate should be so much lower than ours?

Seems they think it is either early testing  - they started in January - or pure luck, with a higher proportion of the infected being of younger age.  Maybe a combination of the two.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 21:11:24
Yep, with it possible up to 50,000 around the UK have the disease, the death rate is pretty low.
The NHS have only been testing people in hospitals and not those with mild symptoms, so then death rate will look higher that way.
Good point, thanks chaps


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 21:12:01
The optimistic view on this is that these are harder problems that they'll need to work out a little more - an enforced mortgage holiday costs the banks who the government can just directly support/offer a few knighthoods to board members to mollify. Rent controls or banning evictions are just simply more complicated policies with more nuance required, which is obviously difficult to do in a crisis. I'd expect measure for these people to follow in the next few days - the mood music of the announcement was very much nobody left behind, even though I agree detail in these areas would be hugely beneficial.
Let's hope so.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 21:21:17
Im still so angry I didnt watch.  I take it there was a massive amount of support for the self employed.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 22:52:42
Im still so angry I didnt watch.  I take it there was a massive amount of support for the self employed.

your anger was regarding his wording which would directly effect your insurance, today he clarified this so probably worth you watching!

hopefully means you can claim


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 08:27:21
Yay! According to deceased psychic Sylvia Brown itís going to turn out OK. This from her book ĎEnd of Daysí published in 2008(?).

ĎIn around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again ten years later, and then disappear completely.í


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 09:04:51
That's actually from a Dean Koontz book apparently
https://v1019.com/2020/03/10/did-author-dean-koontz-predict-coronavirus-in-80s-suspense-thriller/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 09:25:34
Panic buying going through he roof apparently. Pubs ignoring advice and people not caring. Time to lock us down Boris. Follow Italy, Spain's and France's orders here too.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 09:37:28
Panic buying going through he roof apparently. Pubs ignoring advice and people not caring. Time to lock us down Boris. Follow Italy, Spain's and France's orders here too.

Sadly, I suspect he's still trying to prove to himself and to everyone else just how different we are from the rest of Europe.  What works there doesn't work here, because we're British.

Eventually, I'm sure we'll follow the same route, at least for a period.  Johnson is not so much leading, as being led himself by events.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 09:46:06
I drove into a supermarket car park this morning to get some milk for work and drove straight back out. Absolutely rammed. Where do people put it all?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:11:15
Yep, with it possible up to 50,000 around the UK have the disease, the death rate is pretty low.
The NHS have only been testing people in hospitals and not those with mild symptoms, so the death rate will look higher that way.

This is another area where UK is at odds with WHO guidelines.  They are pushing very hard for continued testing.  We stopped the emphasis on testing once we started to move out of the containment phase.

The WHO line is that without testing you lose your understanding of how and where the disease is spreading and, for instance, how much of a problem will remain next winter.  I assume that the UK rationale is that once the outbreak reaches the size where it is pointless to try to trace and isolate the source of each infection then testing for non-serious cases is an inefficient use of resources that should be deployed elsewhere.

This is a huge extrapolation, but in the Ebola outbreak in Africa a few years back it was subsequently discovered that  the Ebola deaths had been reasonably contained but the huge amount of medical resources devoted to it had resulted in many times more avoidable deaths from other causes. It's possible that this is driving the UK govt thinking.  I think  that Chris Whitty was working in Africa at that time.

Probably another case where there is no absolute right or wrong stance.  Pros and cons in every direction.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:15:43
Yay! According to deceased psychic Sylvia Brown itís going to turn out OK. This from her book ĎEnd of Daysí published in 2008(?).

ĎIn around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again ten years later, and then disappear completely.í
Bloody scary !!.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:16:59
Panic buying going through he roof apparently. Pubs ignoring advice and people not caring. Time to lock us down Boris. Follow Italy, Spain's and France's orders here too.

Went for a leg stretch last night near the Woodlands Edge, not full by any means but still quite a few in there ignoring 'government advice'.

Meanwhile over in Spain they're pulling over vehicles with more than one occupant inside, and turfing out the passenger. My elderly mum in lockdown over there was sat talking to a neighbour in the garden mindful of keeping their distance, and the guardia civil officer ordered the friend to go home. They all appreciate that these draconian measures are taken purely for the greater good.

Appears 'squashing the sombrero' is actively going on in Spain, whereas over here our 'leader' merely advises we all do it. Pathetic, and worrying in equal measure.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:23:59
I drove into a supermarket car park this morning to get some milk for work and drove straight back out. Absolutely rammed. Where do people put it all?
Exactly the same !!,  walked the town yesterday,  not a loaf of bread or a single potato in any of the four supermarkets,  absolutely unbelievable, how much of the fresh food purchased will finish  up in the bin ??,  people need to get a life,   once the panic is over shops will not need to open for a week,  people will be living on their stocks.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:28:18
Comment on tv last night  by someone in some government office,  'anything less than twenty thousand deaths would be a result'  Fuck me,  do we really understand how serious this is ?.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:38:52
That was the chief medical advisor


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:06:46
I went to Tesco's in Liden and got some milk and the last chunk of cheese they had. Items I needed. Apart from that they had very little. No bread, fresh veg/fruit or eggs etc.
I'm not even trying now for at least a week. Oh I got 48 cans of Carling premier from lawns offy yesterday for £10.99 for 24 cans if anyone's interested. Best before date end of the month.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:24:36
I'll be going to the pub on saturday if I can. Can't be cooped up in the house all day. It's supposed to be nice so I'll sit in the beer garden.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:27:42
Imagine if this virus had hit the UK September / October when all the colds started. The country would have literally gone into meltdown as everyone fearing the worse


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:33:14
Who says it wonít?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:37:01
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/coronavirus-uk-update-chelsea-hotel-nhs-staff-roman-abramovich-cases-a9408666.html


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:02:19
Who says it wonít?
Quite so. A "second wave" around November is one of the predicted possible outcomes. But who really knows?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:07:15
Dunno if anyone else is bored as hell cancelling all their evening social plans, but I'm organising an online remote pub quiz this evening at 8pm if anyone wanted to join. BYOB.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:12:45
Glastonbury cancelled.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:38:35
It all makes you wonder where mankind will be as a whole in 12-18 months times. Hopefully battered and bruised but otherwise OK.

I expect a lot of changes will be made, including more people working from home. Which could be a good thing.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:41:33
Who says it wonít?


All we have to go on is that the worse seems to be over in China so hooefully with our control measures in place things will ease here over the next few weeks 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:42:42
It all makes you wonder where mankind will be as a whole in 12-18 months times. Hopefully battered and bruised but otherwise OK.

I expect a lot of changes will be made, including more people working from home. Which could be a good thing.

The broadband infrastructure would have to change. FTTP installation would need to be brought forward with a low cost.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:44:08
The broadband infrastructure would have to change. FTTP installation would need to be brought forward with a low cost.
Or nationalised even?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:44:57

All we have to go on is that the worse seems to be over in China so hooefully with our control measures in place things will ease here over the next few weeks 
It's over for now. It remains to be seen whether they get a second wave once they ease the restrictions put in place to help them control it


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:50:38
It remains to be seen whether they get a second wave once they ease the restrictions put in place to help them control it

Which is one of the concerns.

It may not be that they have 'dealt' with it, but rather just locked it away behind a door for a while. Only for the door to be opened again.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:50:39
Dunno if anyone else is bored as hell cancelling all their evening social plans, but I'm organising an online remote pub quiz this evening at 8pm if anyone wanted to join. BYOB.

sounds interesting. Won't people just cheat?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 12:55:04
Fantastic from Barnes Coaches

https://twitter.com/BarnesCoaches/status/1240231767413571586


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 13:08:43
sounds interesting. Won't people just cheat?

I figure in our new world of being socially responsible (and more importantly, there not being a prize) then maybe not.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 13:10:12
I figure in our new world of being socially responsible (and more importantly, there not being a prize) then maybe not.

You mean other than the spoils of glory?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 13:12:43
You mean other than the spoils of glory?

I may half-seriously post a bog roll to the winner.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 13:19:10
I may half-seriously post a bog roll to the winner.

Great touch!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 13:54:12
Quite so. A "second wave" around November is one of the predicted possible outcomes. But who really knows?

Hopefully it won't follow the last three flu pandemics, which all resulted in two or three waves over a period of up to 2 years.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 13:55:41

All we have to go on is that the worse seems to be over in China so hooefully with our control measures in place things will ease here over the next few weeks  

Sadly it doesnít makes sense to believe the worst is over in China. Thereís no vaccine and the virus wonít just go away. Itís great that theyíve contained the outbreak but as soon as lockdown stops and people move around, infections will spread again.

I wish that wasnít the case but cannot see any other conclusion.

Am I wrong?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 14:00:57
Also, we are not even remotely close to doing what China did to stall it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 14:12:53
This is quite interesting, to contrast the Western approach

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-second-wave-intl-hnk/index.html


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 14:54:28
Jesus. Fucking. Wept.

https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1240178331020152833


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 14:56:08
Jesus. Fucking. Wept.

https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1240178331020152833

That's some ratio!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 15:03:40
Conservatism. Not even once.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 15:15:18
Jesus. Fucking. Wept.

https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1240178331020152833

Expect to see more of this from journalistic shills as the rich and powerful conclude their fortunes are going to dwindle.

I suspect the spambots will be on overdrive soon sowing the seeds that the old and vulnerable will have to be sacrificed to save the economy.

Iíd hoped this crisis might bring out the best in human nature, which it will in most cases but selfishness and greed will never go away seemingly.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 15:20:01
Expect to see more of this from journalistic shills as the rich and powerful conclude their fortunes are going to dwindle.

I suspect the spambots will be on overdrive soon sowing the seeds that the old and vulnerable will have to be sacrificed to save the economy.

Iíd hoped this crisis might bring out the best in human nature, which it will in most cases but selfishness and greed will never go away seemingly.
It will do both, depending on the nature of the people. Shitbags will be shitbags, most people are by and large decent and will continue to be decent. As a counterweight, in Feb the Police were granted emergency powers to detain people displaying symptoms of the coronavirus and force them to seek medical attention. Not one of the 44 police forces has had to use this power because "people are doing the right thing".


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 15:38:02
So statement from education secretary at 5pm?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 15:45:26
So statement from education secretary at 5pm?
Will probably follow on from Wales and Scotland in shutting all schools from Friday.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 16:09:09
Imagine if this virus had hit the UK September / October when all the colds started. The country would have literally gone into meltdown as everyone fearing the worse

Who is to say that we didn't already have a first wave (and no not a conspiracy theory) back in December and we're experiencing the 2nd wave now?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 16:10:28
Dunno if anyone else is bored as hell cancelling all their evening social plans, but I'm organising an online remote pub quiz this evening at 8pm if anyone wanted to join. BYOB.

Yeah I'm down for this. If I remember!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 16:17:35
In brighter news... https://twitter.com/FootballManager/status/1240293351414476800


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 16:27:28
I went to Tesco's in Liden and got some milk and the last chunk of cheese they had. Items I needed. Apart from that they had very little. No bread, fresh veg/fruit or eggs etc.
I'm not even trying now for at least a week. Oh I got 48 cans of Carling premier from lawns offy yesterday for £10.99 for 24 cans if anyone's interested. Best before date end of the month.
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is Carling premier the one like Caffreys :hmmm:if so will get some of those as they are Gurt Lush :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 16:35:09
I don't understand how UK theme parks are opening as usual this weekend, nearly all other Countries have shut theirs, seems to be one rule for some


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bathtime on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 16:38:17
https://www.facebook.com/maxine.jones.543/videos/10157061078705933/?t=6

Great stuff


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 16:48:38
Okay, quiz update - I'm using Skype for this one and will find a better platform if it works and we decide to do any more.

It will start from just before 8pm UK time this evening, with the first questions 10-15 minutes later once we've all settled down. There are 30 questions so I'd expect it to take a bit over an hour to complete. It's all self marking and scores and marking are on trust. Teams of friends/family behind one screen are totally fine by me, obviously I'm inviting a bunch of people I know from work and other walks of life so I can't promise a full round on Swindon Town. But we are tangentially mentioned...

PM me for the invite link (there's a limit of 50 on the group so don't want to just post it publicly for now)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 17:01:18
I went to Tesco's in Liden and got some milk and the last chunk of cheese they had. Items I needed. Apart from that they had very little. No bread, fresh veg/fruit or eggs etc.
I'm not even trying now for at least a week. Oh I got 48 cans of Carling premier from lawns offy yesterday for £10.99 for 24 cans if anyone's interested. Best before date end of the month.
[/quote
is Carling premier the one like Caffreys :hmmm:if so will get some of those as they are Gurt Lush :)

Yes
Yes it is


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 17:05:55
Okay, quiz update - I'm using Skype for this one and will find a better platform if it works and we decide to do any more

You considered using twitch or pscp? :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 17:15:34
Will probably follow on from Wales and Scotland in shutting all schools from Friday.

Who knows, there are rumours knocking around up here (source - someone's missus who works in NHS management) that the lock down could be from this evening?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 17:16:23
You considered using twitch or pscp? :)

I looked at Twitch this morning and it blew my mind, but will revisit over the weekend. Not looked at PSCP but again, one for later on!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 17:33:07
104 dead now in the UK, up from 71 the day before. That's an increase of 45% in one day.

If the total figure doesn't scare you --- the percentage increase should.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 17:33:33
Who knows, there are rumours knocking around up here (source - someone's missus who works in NHS management) that the lock down could be from this evening?

I reckon Friday, schools definitely as Sotland and Wales have shut theirs.
Whatever day it is its coming


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 17:39:08
I reckon Friday, schools definitely as Sotland and Wales have shut theirs.
Whatever day it is its coming

I'm inclined to agree, it would be mental to announce closing schools at 5pm the day before.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 18:13:00
The Lombardy region seems to have hit a point where they can't guarantee attending to any more new cases!  Just in-case anyone was left wondering why the "over reaction" from countries a couple of weeks behind the Italian outbreak.

NY is trying to obtain 50k new hospital beds, almost doubling it's capacity.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 18:17:54
and there goes schools, a levels and gcse in may June.

Friday last day, vulnerable and children of key workers will still be able to go in


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bedford Red on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 19:01:44
I've been sent home from work as of tonight as i have asthma, as soon as they have a laptop for me i'll be working from home, got to sit and wait for the phone call to go and pick it up in the meantime.

I had my car in for a service at a local small garage today, the owner told me the government have offered a cash grant of £3,000 to help them through the crisis, and he told me that's about 1 1/2 weeks of turnover, so not going to be much use to them if people stop using them.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 19:02:14
being self employed I have started to have a look at what support I would receive if/when I need it,
from what I can see its a bloody mine field and I might be wrong but by the looks of it it wont be much :eek:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 19:09:51
Who knows, there are rumours knocking around up here (source - someone's missus who works in NHS management) that the lock down could be from this evening?

Yeah I've been hearing stuff as well, the school closures friday might be smoke and mirrors and it happens tomorrow


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 19:17:17
I went to Tesco's in Liden and got some milk and the last chunk of cheese they had. Items I needed. Apart from that they had very little. No bread, fresh veg/fruit or eggs etc.
I'm not even trying now for at least a week. Oh I got 48 cans of Carling premier from lawns offy yesterday for £10.99 for 24 cans if anyone's interested. Best before date end of the month.
[/quote
is Carling premier the one like Caffreys :hmmm:if so will get some of those as they are Gurt Lush :)

It's the smooth lager with the widget in the can so yes it's the one. So nice out of the fridge and poured in a glass. Go get some


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 19:24:28
Currently sat at avonmouth waiting for my tacho break to end(one EU law I'd love to see scrapped) roads much quieter today which is a welcome bonus of this virus I suppose.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 19:30:31
Thereís got to be a tipping point whereby the country will implode on all levels - economic, social etc - when people will just have to go back to doing what they used to and the virus does what it does.

No point everyone continuing to cower in their homes as the country disintegrates around them.

And I say that as someone in an Ďat riskí group.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 19:39:58
Thereís got to be a tipping point whereby the country will implode on all levels - economic, social etc - when people will just have to go back to doing what they used to and the virus does what it does.
Thing is its not just the UK its basically almost all of Europe and a lot of the world.

How long will it take to get back to levels of production again for food/machinery/everything.

That is when it does get back to normal, that could take months with several companies not being able to make it through this crisis putting even more people out of work and on the (no) breadline.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:34:58
Currently sat at avonmouth waiting for my tacho break to end(one EU law I'd love to see scrapped)
Outrageous that the EU force our lorry drivers to eat Mexican food!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:37:58
Iím going to be without a car for a few weeks from Friday, have very little food in the house and donít live within walking distance of a supermarket, so going to have to join the 6am crush at Tesco tomorrow to try and do a Ďnormalí big shop


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:38:51
Thereís got to be a tipping point whereby the country will implode on all levels - economic, social etc - when people will just have to go back to doing what they used to and the virus does what it does.

No point everyone continuing to cower in their homes as the country disintegrates around them.

And I say that as someone in an Ďat riskí group.

If that happens, hundreds of thousands of people will die in the UK according to all public health models and the NHS would be overwhelmed causing people who might not otherwise die, to also die. 




Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:42:22
Given the global scale and mortality rate, we'd be looking at the Spanish flu being repeated, but with a bigger worldwide population.  Balancing that would be better healthcare facilities, but still the outcome of films.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 20:43:54
I suppose we could do a calculation of the potential financial impact and divide it by the death total, see if to comes to an acceptable cost per person?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 21:03:15
This is very simplistic, but nonetheless shows the variations that can occur through severe and early action:

https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-pandemic-response-cities


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 21:31:51
Currently sat at avonmouth waiting for my tacho break to end(one EU law I'd love to see scrapped) roads much quieter today which is a welcome bonus of this virus I suppose.
Do you drive a V8 Scania with a  frilly pelmet   :gay:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 21:32:05
We took the decision today to make immediate redundancies and shorten working week after an 80% drop in orders and our major customers told us that everything was on hold for the foreseeable future.   The govt money won't be enough or arrive fast enough - you can't apply for it yet and it's a loan.   There will be alot of businesses in the same boat.
 If it goes on for months will there be anything left apart from Netflix!

Boris said today that he wants to minimise suffering but has the loss of jobs, recession and increases in debt and mental health problems been factored in.

My 2 kids also affected as they have just had GCSEs and A levels cancelled and will now be at home for probably 5-6 months and can't even get a summer job or go bowling.   Daughter has no idea which uni she will end up in or even how that will be decided or if she has to repeat the year.

It is a unique situation but the balance in my opinion has swung too far, too fast.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirky69 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 21:34:05
This is very simplistic, but nonetheless shows the variations that can occur through severe and early action:

https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-pandemic-response-cities

With many ignoring the advice not to go to the pub, I expect matters will be moved from strongly advise to havent got a choice with everything shut down apart from food shops and pharmacies by Friday night.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 21:38:55
Outrageous that the EU force our lorry drivers to eat Mexican food!

Now that I would have no problem with. Arriba!

Do you drive a V8 Scania with a  frilly pelmet   :gay:


No


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 21:39:31
I'm "panicking buying" (stockpiling) my own money whilst I still can.

I had to lay off someone via a consultation process a couple of weeks ago, due to general economic pressures. None of us thought it would be this bad, what a shit time to be out of work.

I feel sorry for everyone already affected , it's a matter of circumstance but some of the reactive decisions haven't been clear and/or haven't been good.

Hopefully the test to detect antibodies is ready soon and widely available. I think the unavailability of testing has been a massive contributor to the situation.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:13:46
With many ignoring the advice not to go to the pub, I expect matters will be moved from strongly advise to havent got a choice with everything shut down apart from food shops and pharmacies by Friday night.

surely this is unenforceable especially in rural areas. il be going to work on my own as normal on a midweek in a shutdown or not.

if a customer calls up and wants to come in what do I do. every work place is different and a blanket ban I cant get my head around. I'm currently having a house built, most tradesman can and do work on there own and if they have the materials and supplies should they stop?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:14:34
My 2 kids also affected as they have just had GCSEs and A levels cancelled and will now be at home for probably 5-6 months and can't even get a summer job or go bowling.   Daughter has no idea which uni she will end up in or even how that will be decided or if she has to repeat the year.

It is a unique situation but the balance in my opinion has swung too far, too fast.

I work for one of the big exam boards. The news this evening that the summer session has been cancelled will be devastating for our business. I wait to see how bad this gets, but it could well mean hundreds of redundancies.

What times weíre living in.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:19:41
surely this is unenforceable especially in rural areas. il be going to work on my own as normal on a midweek in a shutdown or not.

if a customer calls up and wants to come in what do I do. every work place is different and a blanket ban I cant get my head around. I'm currently having a house built, most tradesman can and do work on there own and if they have the materials and supplies should they stop?

Weíre on shutdown in France. You canít go out without carrying a printed certificate saying youíre on one of five authorised purposes. If something similar comes to the UK, you wonít come and go as you like, and you wonít be getting a house built any time soon.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:22:56
sorry to hear that RF/pookemon.

frog - UK exam board?
---
My son is also in GCSE limbo. He's not overly academic, but he surprised me by being pissed off. guess he just wanted to get it done given the build up.

fuck knows how they resolve this.

mocks an indicator I suppose but many do better for the reals.

Teacher assessment far too variable and hardly standardised.

repeat the year isn't going to sit well.

like everything, there is no obvious right answer ...

I know it's pretty far down the list in the grand scheme of things.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:23:21
We took the decision today to make immediate redundancies and shorten working week after an 80% drop in orders and our major customers told us that everything was on hold for the foreseeable future.   The govt money won't be enough or arrive fast enough - you can't apply for it yet and it's a loan.   There will be alot of businesses in the same boat.
 If it goes on for months will there be anything left apart from Netflix!

Boris said today that he wants to minimise suffering but has the loss of jobs, recession and increases in debt and mental health problems been factored in.

My 2 kids also affected as they have just had GCSEs and A levels cancelled and will now be at home for probably 5-6 months and can't even get a summer job or go bowling.   Daughter has no idea which uni she will end up in or even how that will be decided or if she has to repeat the year.

It is a unique situation but the balance in my opinion has swung too far, too fast.



Italy had 475 deaths in a single day - a run rate that would equate to over 150k deaths in a year, without it growing, as it has been.  That is the data that is spooking everyone into taking action.

You only need to look at China to see one way out of this (hopefully) and that way is far beyond what is being done so far in the Western world.

The hope is another model comes about that avoids the China approach being needed.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:24:14
With many ignoring the advice not to go to the pub, I expect matters will be moved from strongly advise to havent got a choice with everything shut down apart from food shops and pharmacies by Friday night.

I canít see an issue going to a pub which has less than 20 people in it. If you feel ill, stay at home. I am hoping to go to sit in the beer garden on Saturday. Weather looks good for it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:26:40
but 1- 3% mortality and a best worst case of  70% infection out the numbers of deaths at a very large number indeed. and they've been stating those figures for a while.

I guess they thought they could change them, or that in fact Italy has shown that the threat isn't theoretical but it's happening despite their measured


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:27:58
surely this is unenforceable especially in rural areas. il be going to work on my own as normal on a midweek in a shutdown or not.

if a customer calls up and wants to come in what do I do. every work place is different and a blanket ban I cant get my head around. I'm currently having a house built, most tradesman can and do work on there own and if they have the materials and supplies should they stop?
do you need a plasterer :D,


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:28:52
Italy, unfortunately, is doing a good job at giving everyone a heads-up, that the data modelling was pretty accurate, and they've taken many of the steps we are now considering!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:30:03
Quote from: Sippo
I canít see an issue going to a pub which has less than 20 people in it. If you feel ill, stay at home. I am hoping to go to sit in the beer garden on Saturday. Weather looks good for it.

1. it only takes 1 person to infect
2. they don't know that the disease is only infectious when showing symptoms.

I get the temptation. That's why if the government wants to do what it says it can't be left in our hands and must force closures. Which will ruin many people


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:30:13
sorry to hear that RF/pookemon.

frog - UK exam board?
---
My son is also in GCSE limbo. He's not overly academic, but he surprised me by being pissed off. guess he just wanted to get it done given the build up.

fuck knows how they resolve this.

mocks an indicator I suppose but many do better for the reals.

Teacher assessment far too variable and hardly standardised.

repeat the year isn't going to sit well.

like everything, there is no obvious right answer ...

I know it's pretty far down the list in the grand scheme of things.

Yep, Edexcel. I agree, if this yearís grades are decided on mocks and teacher evaluations, then the Class of 2020 will always be tainted with a stigma of partiality. A huge amount of science goes into calibrating fair and equitable exam questions, marking schemes and grade boundaries. Imagine if instead of that, your future hung on the appreciation of Mr Jones, head of Year 10...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirky69 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:30:20
I canít see an issue going to a pub which has less than 20 people in it. If you feel ill, stay at home. I am hoping to go to sit in the beer garden on Saturday. Weather looks good for it.

I dont think you will have the option Sippo - unless it's your garden of course!! My advice would be to stack up on booze for the house, as that could become the next bog roll!!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:31:19
Yep, Edexcel. I agree, if this yearís grades are decided on mocks and teacher evaluations, then the Class of 2020 will always be tainted with a stigma of partiality. A huge amount of science goes into calibrating fair and equitable exam questions, marking schemes and grade boundaries. Imagine if instead of that, your future hung on the appreciation of Mr Jones, head of Year 10...

Welcome to the USA education system!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:32:05
1. it only takes 1 person to infect
2. they don't know that the disease is only infectious when showing symptoms.

I get the temptation. That's why if the government wants to do what it says it can't be left in our hands and must force closures. Which will ruin many people

He's trolling. Or a wanker, or both.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:32:28
@frog indeed. especially if Mr Jones doesn't really know you, and you've had several teachers over a year.

honestly don't know what I'd do.

it's all FUBAR


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:33:26
@sutton oooh. I've lost my sense of humour already.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:33:59
@frog indeed. especially if Mr Jones doesn't really know you, and you've had several teachers over a year.

honestly don't know what I'd do.

it's all FUBAR

You have no idea. Weíre entering the twilight zone.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:34:16
Weíre on shutdown in France. You canít go out without carrying a printed certificate saying youíre on one of five authorised purposes. If something similar comes to the UK, you wonít come and go as you like, and you wonít be getting a house built any time soon.

your in it first hand but i still cant see how it can be enforced in rural areas. my dads a farmer for example and will need to carry on etc and if i did close up my business i will still go up there and get building jobs done on my own its of no harm to anyone. its pretty much built, needs fitting inside- plasterers are in this week Woolster!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:34:50
Goes to show just how little effort is actually put into Pandemic planning.  I know it's a tough gig, and we have plenty of not quite Pandemics that give us false hope and make us think we over react.  However, who really believes anyone is working off of a script right now?  It's clearly being designed as we go along with some basic principles at play.  I can;t for one second think anyone has a scooby what the recovery part of this looks like.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:38:09
your in it first hand but i still cant see how it can be enforced in rural areas. my dads a farmer for example and will need to carry on etc and if i did close up my business i will still go up there and get building jobs done on my own its of no harm to anyone. its pretty much built, needs fitting inside- plasterers are in this week Woolster!

The idea is to ramp down activity/movement/interactions down as low as you can get them.  Some "essential" activity will be risked, like food production, medical services, utilities etc.  Eventually it HAS to be laws and enforced, otherwise you do get people popping to the beach still (I give you Florida which is under a State of Emergency but had packed beaches this week).  It's this inbetween stage that makes it worse to some degree - you keep people thinking it's all OK, no big deal, lets all just pop down the Winchester.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:39:30
I dont think you will have the option Sippo - unless it's your garden of course!! My advice would be to stack up on booze for the house, as that could become the next bog roll!!
Tesco beer section was almost empty this evening  :pint: never seen it that low


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:39:37
He's trolling. Or a wanker, or both.

Or neither. Whatís the problem?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:39:58
Goes to show just how little effort is actually put into Pandemic planning.  I know it's a tough gig, and we have plenty of not quite Pandemics that give us false hope and make us think we over react.  However, who really believes anyone is working off of a script right now?  It's clearly being designed as we go along with some basic principles at play.  I can;t for one second think anyone has a scooby what the recovery part of this looks like.

Yes you are right. I've been involved in a few over the years, and it always stopped before it got serious (sars, swine, etc) This one is completely different,  It is going to be a world changer. Hopefully for the better when the dust settles. What that will look like no one knows as all of the plans are being made up as things change day by day. No thought is being given to when it stops, and that is understandable, as no one has a clue what the end game is.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:41:54
Or neither. Whatís the problem?

Just It's bad, worse than people think, and that comment
 annoyed me a bit, as people think it's going to blow over. It's worse than I thought it would be already. People do need to change fast.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:44:27
He's trolling. Or a wanker, or both.

Or astonishingly ignorant.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:46:33
I am fairly certain people in Northern Italy felt the same way at one point - in fact they did, they interviewed people during the initial "lock down" that was a sort of try not to go out period.  People were sitting in cafe's having a wine, pointing out they had started to see a drop off in trade though.  So many false dawns create that feeling - very few people remember or were impacted directly by any of the last 3 big ones (I am excluding HIV as that one is still on-going and really did change society).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:47:04
your in it first hand but i still cant see how it can be enforced in rural areas. my dads a farmer for example and will need to carry on etc and if i did close up my business i will still go up there and get building jobs done on my own its of no harm to anyone. its pretty much built, needs fitting inside- plasterers are in this week Woolster!

I escaped Paris on Monday night before the shutters came down. Honestly the packed motorway out of the city was like May 1940, minus the Stukas!

Even out here in the country, nothing is moving. Farmers are essential workers who are allowed to carry on their business, but hardly a car went down our road all day. No one is going out except for necessities. Everyone is in an essential job, working from home or laid off. People understand itís the only way to break this.

Amazing how times like this give you a new sense of priorities. Suddenly the salaries of the bankers and footballers are exposed for their perversity. In a stripped-down survival economy, it becomes very easy to understand who the highest valued workers are right now.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:47:56
the loss of earnings worries me more than the virus


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:50:35
the loss of earnings worries me more than the virus

And that's the mistake people are making, thinking small (i know that is an issue for many including myself) But although i'm not advocating heading to the hills. It could go that way.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:52:17
the loss of earnings worries me more than the virus

This by far for me.

There's no safety net for me here and if I lose my main income then I only have a month or two's grace. Probably a better position than most but still worrying.

I've started to convince myself that spending some time living in a hut in a rice field may not be so bad after all.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:55:11
Quote from: Sippo
Whatís the problem?

not much

A great fuck off virus that threatens to rip through the world  causing hundreds of thousands/millions of premature deaths.

that's all


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:57:24
This by far for me.

There's no safety net for me here and if I lose my main income then I only have a month or two's grace. Probably a better position than most but still worrying.

I've started to convince myself that spending some time living in a hut in a rice field may not be so bad after all.


I'm thinking like that already, and that's changed from 48 hours ago, when it was just a funny virus. I'm seeing people at work going ill minute by minute. Ambulances everywhere, shops stripped. It might just be London in the UK, but as a non panicky person. it's certainly started to test me.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 22:58:41
Oh we've already had food shops and supermarkets looted near me. In rich posh Surrey. That won't hit the news.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 23:02:28
Boris did say the London area was a bit ahead of the curve.

You're seeing almost certainly what we'll be seeing in a week or two.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 23:06:42
London, if not the whole country, will be locked down by the end of the week. Army on the streets.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 23:42:49
London, if not the whole country, will be locked down by the end of the week. Army on the streets.

I was told tonight the army are on standby for lockdown Friday. I've now read this from you and it's coming from other sources too. There is meat on the bones of this rumour it would appear.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 23:55:41
I'd be surprised to see the Army out so soon, surely that'd be a last resort?

Although they might call them in to help out with logistics etc, which would be a tad different to them being 'on the streets'. I would also not be surprised for the government to have plans drawn up to have the army 'on the streets' in that sense, but it doesn't mean they intend to implement them. It'd be irresponsible for them to not be prepared.

Fuck, we should not be talking about this in the sense that it could actually happen. But here we are...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 23:58:34
I was told tonight the army are on standby for lockdown Friday. I've now read this from you and it's coming from other sources too. There is meat on the bones of this rumour it would appear.

I've heard the same. But who knows it might just fizzle out tomorrow. That's what I'll sleep on.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 00:51:17
there were rumours tonight they were already on the streets of London, swiftly called in as bs though


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Loobug on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 01:03:05
I work one minute from London Bridge and there were soldiers in the station (6 of them) in a group, not patrolling or looking on-duty but they were there when I went home today and armed police (2) outside the entrance at the road crossing when I arrived in the morning


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 01:09:34
Ladies & Gents...I introduce you to...

Donald Trump...President of the United States of America;

ď...People are dying that never died before...Ē

It would only be incredible if he'd never said anything remotely stupid before.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 02:02:45
Hemingway innit? Trump's probably never read The Old Man and the Sea


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: smalltowngypsymassacre on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 06:59:19
Ladies & Gents...I introduce you to...

Donald Trump...President of the United States of America;

ď...People are dying that never died before...Ē

It would only be incredible if he'd never said anything remotely stupid before.

He didn't say that. You've been had I'm afraid


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 07:51:39
2. they don't know that the disease is only infectious when showing symptoms.

They've known for weeks and weeks that it can spread before people show symptoms, plus some cases are asymptotic. It's been serious since that point in my opinion, although I never imagined it would be like this. I tried to persuade my mum to stop going out to things and she gave in when the government suggested as such. Too many won't listen and think they know better.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 07:52:47
The Italian army has been called in to the northern city of Bergamo where their crematorium canít cope with the numbers dying on a daily basis. No funerals, just returned ashes from other citiesí crematoria.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 09:07:29
My wife went to morrisons this morning, just to get our weekly shop. She came back and broke down in tears. There is literally no food on the shelves.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 09:18:21
They've known for weeks and weeks that it can spread before people show symptoms, plus some cases are asymptotic. It's been serious since that point in my opinion, although I never imagined it would be like this.  

That's why they gave up on 'containment' and switched to the 'herd immunity' strategy. Once the 'herd' reacted to the mooted casualty figures, it didn't result in the logical u-turn (aligning with WHO/European/Chinese harder lockdown measures), but a half-baked and unenforced delay and advice strategy. Ongoing.

They've also known for weeks that the NHS is seriously ill-prepared through lack of staff, PPE protection, ventilators and testing.

Incompetence,  or something more sinister, I really can't decide.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 09:39:46
My wife went to morrisons this morning, just to get our weekly shop. She came back and broke down in tears. There is literally no food on the shelves.

You see this post makes me really very angry. We have no kids or pets etc so in this situation we can very easily manage our food intake based on what we already had/have. I get that people are scared and will need more food and supplies as they now have kids at home etc but the level people are taking this to is causing untold misery.

Other people really need to take heed of the advice and stop this nonsense now. Its surely only a matter of time before there are full on fights/deaths even from people fighting over food that would NOT be a problem if people weren't so bloody selfish.

On the news last night they were saying that in Italy, where the situation is way worse, Italians are being very good with their behaviour and not stockpiling etc. I really don't get why we have this issue in the UK?

Is it down to Brexit? ;) (That's a joke before anyone starts)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 09:40:49
The great British public  ::)

I gave up this morning, only wanted to grab a couple of items from the store near where I work, and the cars were queueing to reach the car park. Bollocks to that. Good time for me to start my diet.  :nod:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 09:46:42
We stocked up a bit.

I know it's all silly but, considering everybody else is being silly, we're left with little choice.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 09:52:40
Thereís no problem with food here at the moment - and, being an island, everything has to be shipped in.

We have had zero cases but now people from Athens who have holiday homes here are moving over. No doubt some will be bringing it with them.

Iíve been baking bread and freezing home made chips, hash browns and roasties


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 09:54:05
I saw a supermarket delivery chap last night with a van full of food working on his own. That will soon change to ensure protection either by having security or a lock down enforced by police/army. Sadly I fear the UK will struggle to respond sensibly in the coming months. On the other hand just  :pint: and be merry whilst you can (or bottle).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 09:59:29
It's not surprising the reaction of a good chunk of society, look at the amount of selfishness on a day to day basis, the roads, cutting in at the bar  :). Whenever there is something like this then the selfish rise to the surface. Remember the fuel crisis when the strikes were on, people were filling jerry cans and loading the boot.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:18:38
Is it down to Brexit? ;) (That's a joke before anyone starts)

Although I think we know what a Venn diagram involving stockpilers and hardcore brexiteers would look like


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:29:23
I'm loathe to mention the W word but the collective of the nation during those times when almost everyone had to make do with literally nothing was heart warming. There was sharing and caring and whilst there are good people now trying to show kindness and goodness by helping out the elderly and vulnerable etc but this pales into insignificance with the cumblankets fighting to get into Asda at 6am to buy 100 bog rolls and 10 kilos of pasta.

Now you have the child in America attempting to fuel race hate by changing the term of the virus from CoronaVirus or Covid19 to 'The Chinese Virus'. He knows what he is doing, creating a negative connotation of China and its people. Its going to lead to attacks by rednecks on Asian people in America and he doesn't care. What an absolute nasty piece of work.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:35:25
I went to Morrisonís in Eldene at 6am this morning, which has more to do with the time I finish work and itís location than anything else plus I was genuinely curious to see how manic it was.

Busy-ish and the toilet rolls coming off the shelf as soon as they were put on there. I bought some Pringles, a chocolate bar and some Disaronno and coke.


Not sure what everyone is actually expecting and what they think they need countless toilet rolls for?


The worst thing in all this was our sonís dermatology appointment being cancelled. His skin is a serious mess right now. We desperately need this appointment got a cancellation but then they cancelled all of then anyway. I think they turned the place where it would have been into the Coronavirus ward....and....now he has chicken pox just to irritate his skin further


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:38:01
Quote
My wife went to morrisons this morning, just to get our weekly shop. She came back and broke down in tears. There is literally no food on the shelves.
I get you won't get everything, but try local shops.

Jesse Smith's butchers in Ciren was fullymeat stocked , the veg shop (memory garden) near there too, the local shop had toilet roll (1x 4 pack per customer), etc, etc,  for example.

it's not ideal I know.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:40:29
Quote from: Flashheart
We stocked up a bit.

I know it's all silly but, considering everybody else is being silly, we're left with little choice.

that's the problem, and a natural response.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:43:12
Well, at least people will have clean bums by the time they eventually catch the virus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:44:49
Just been given the option at work to isolate for 4 weeks due to diabetes and asthma. Obv took it.
Half a dozen others in same boat. Longer off for those with chronic problems. 3 months in some cases.

Luckily get full pay even if ends up being classed as sick. Benefits of working for a government agency I guess ( Post office )



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:45:09
that's the problem, and a natural response.

Domino effect isnít it

...but...Iíd really love to know who started the chain reaction. Like literally one person must have thought. This Coronavirus, I might need a lot of toilet roll. So theyíll pick up a few so then someone must have seen this and thought why are they getting so much toilet paper? They must know something I donít, I better get some too. Then someone has seen these two pick up toilet paper and so on and so forth x100000ĒĒ


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:48:03
Lifted from another forum

Ď0.0025974025974026‬%
That is the percentage of people on the planet who have been confirmed as having the coronavirus.

Yes, I understand many countries are deliberately under-reporting their actual numbers so the figure should be higher.

Yes, I am aware that this figure is going to keep increasing until we find a vaccination.

Yes, I am aware that this virus has the ability to contribute to the death of many vulnerable people.

Yes, I am aware that raising awareness and taking it seriously helps prevent the virus from spreading quicker.

And yes, I am aware that certain short-term restrictions can be in our long-term benefit, however........

Does the percentage justify fear mongering in the media every day for about 2 months now?

Does it justify the acts of a bunch of selfish individuals in buying way more things than they need when there is no immediate threat to supply chains?
Does it justify governments restricting freedom of movement within their borders?

Does it justify governments expanding their powers and enforcing other restrictions on their citizens, possibly creating a protocol where any small (potential) crisis now warrants enhanced government power and restriction of freedoms?í


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:01:26
Lifted from another forum

Ď0.0025974025974026‬%
That is the percentage of people on the planet who have been confirmed as having the coronavirus.

Yes, I understand many countries are deliberately under-reporting their actual numbers so the figure should be higher.

Yes, I am aware that this figure is going to keep increasing until we find a vaccination.

Yes, I am aware that this virus has the ability to contribute to the death of many vulnerable people.

Yes, I am aware that raising awareness and taking it seriously helps prevent the virus from spreading quicker.

And yes, I am aware that certain short-term restrictions can be in our long-term benefit, however........

Does the percentage justify fear mongering in the media every day for about 2 months now?

Does it justify the acts of a bunch of selfish individuals in buying way more things than they need when there is no immediate threat to supply chains?
Does it justify governments restricting freedom of movement within their borders?

Does it justify governments expanding their powers and enforcing other restrictions on their citizens, possibly creating a protocol where any small (potential) crisis now warrants enhanced government power and restriction of freedoms?í

Whilst I agree with much of the sentiment, I find it sad that people saying this kind of thing never seemed to mind all the governments who restrict their citizens' freedoms routinely until it started happening (a) a bit closer to home, (b) in the interest of public safety and (c) as a temporary measure.

One good thing that could come from all of this is an awareness of how much of the world is governed and how the lives of many are lived.

But stepping down off that high horse for a moment, I couldn't agree more with the point about media fear mongering, and have been relived at the TV/radio shows and websites which have simply sought to provide straightforward information and answer people's questions. That's exactly the kind of media that is needed right now.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:02:06

Does the percentage justify fear mongering in the media every day for about 2 months now?


Is this person aware of what is happening in Italy?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:05:27
They've also known for weeks that the NHS is seriously ill-prepared through lack of staff, PPE protection, ventilators and testing.

Incompetence,  or something more sinister, I really can't decide.
You can't just turn round a decade of deep austerity cuts in a matter of weeks.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:07:55
I wonder how many lives have been saved by the huge reduction in pollution since this started?

So, just what are the conditions when things will be allowed to return to some sort of normality? Will it be a phased introduction of freedom of movement or a complete blanket Ďget back to normalí mandate?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-HLn8T3baOk


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:21:19
I canít see an issue going to a pub which has less than 20 people in it. If you feel ill, stay at home. I am hoping to go to sit in the beer garden on Saturday. Weather looks good for it.
1) People have tested positive for the virus without displaying symptoms so not feeling ill is no guarantee you're not spreading it
2) 10s of thousands of people will die from this (the CMO's "best hope" is "only" 20,000 deaths). People you know and care about will die. How many is down to how quickly the virus spreads. How quickly the virus spreads is down to people's behaviour. Like not doing stupid shit like going to a pub with "less than 20 people" in it that will all spread the virus not just to each other but to everyone else they have contact with
3) If the virus spreads quickly it will overwhelm the NHS, that will probably happen very quickly due to a decade of underfunding. At that point, people will start to die not just of coronavirus but because they can't get in intensive care for heart attacks, chronic diseases etc
4) If you think you won't get affected because you're not in a high risk group, in the US 40% of cases hospitalised are in the 20-54 age bracket. At the moment, they're largely not dying because there are enough intensive care beds and ventilators to go round. Once this thing peaks, there won't be. Then those people will start doing too because they can't be treated. Even if you are one of the wankers who think the old and sick are expendable because "I'm all right Jack", it's not just old people who will die from this.
5) If you find the current "social distancing" irksome, you're going to really hate a full lockdown when you literally won't be allowed out of your house unless you're a key worker or getting supplies (and possibly not even for that if they can sort out home deliveries). That will become necessary if people like you continue to do stupid shit like going to a pub with less than 20 people in it.

We are not islands, isolated from each other. We are all connected and how we behave affects everyone. If we make sensible choices and act like we are all responsible for each other we can limit the impact of this thing. If we act like selfish wankers, we're all going to be going to a lot of funerals, explaining to grieving families how it's all overhyped, it's just a bit of flu really and there's no reason to stop behaving like we are the only people who matter.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:33:02
One of my colleague's building management companies has just informed them that they intend to raise service charges by 105%. The letter was dated yesterday.

What spectacular cuntery.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:39:57
Letter from Sky just landed on the doormat. They're quick to recognize that thousands of people are about to be stuck in their homes for an extended period and so have increased the TV subscriptions from 1 April.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:55:57
Well said pauld.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:57:30
Letter from Sky just landed on the doormat. They're quick to recognize that thousands of people are about to be stuck in their homes for an extended period and so have increased the TV subscriptions from 1 April.
TBF this increase was announced 2 months ago and our price increase letter came 2 weeks ago before this mass isolation started happening.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 11:57:41
Well said pauld.
Concurred.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 12:00:58
Letter from Sky just landed on the doormat. They're quick to recognize that thousands of people are about to be stuck in their homes for an extended period and so have increased the TV subscriptions from 1 April.

Had mine through at the end of Feb.
Much as it pains me to be fair to them I suspect that it's a planned increase that's been in the pipeline for a while.
Maybe they could hold fire for 3 months, particularly as the sports channels are having to delve into the archives at the moment.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 12:03:02
Well, at least people will have clean bums by the time they eventually catch the virus.

Nope. Still have a shitty arse, just used some toilet paper to smear it around a bit. :fishing:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 12:14:58
Had mine through at the end of Feb.
Much as it pains me to be fair to them I suspect that it's a planned increase that's been in the pipeline for a while.
Maybe they could hold fire for 3 months, particularly as the sports channels are having to delve into the archives at the moment.

Oh, right.  My letter's dated 17 March.  :-[


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 12:15:26
Letter from Sky just landed on the doormat. They're quick to recognize that thousands of people are about to be stuck in their homes for an extended period and so have increased the TV subscriptions from 1 April.

There have been screenshots going around to pubs etc from sky saying that from 14th march they will not be charging them for subscription until regular live sport resumes as their businesses rely on people watching it at their venue. a good gesture


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 12:20:04
Letter from Sky just landed on the doormat. They're quick to recognize that thousands of people are about to be stuck in their homes for an extended period and so have increased the TV subscriptions from 1 April.

Start of the financial year innit, we likewise had letter this morning from BT informing us that stuff going up 1.5% from April 1.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 12:27:59
Nope. Still have a shitty arse, just used some toilet paper to smear it around a bit. :fishing:

I guess that the surplus bog rolls could be thrown around by a joyful public in the mass street jamboree when the nation is declared as virus free (...one day).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 12:53:42
If anyone needs some basic shopping items the co-op at witchelstowe has cold meats, tinned goods,milk,cheese, veg, (a little bread left)etc. No eggs, soap,bog roll though. If you're a panic buyer I hope you don't see this 🖕


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 12:58:22

We are not islands, isolated from each other. We are all connected and how we behave affects everyone. If we make sensible choices and act like we are all responsible for each other we can limit the impact of this thing. If we act like selfish wankers, we're all going to be going to a lot of funerals, explaining to grieving families how it's all overhyped, it's just a bit of flu really and there's no reason to stop behaving like we are the only people who matter.

Agree with PaulD here, one thing I will say on the above - if we do indeed follow the trend in Italy you won't be going to funerals..  They are so overwhelmed with the amount of deaths, bodies are just being cremated and there is a queue of people turning up to pick up the ashes, that is how bad it has got out there.  Almost returning to the days of the black death and bring out your dead just with the added "pick up their ashes in a few days"..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 13:05:52
... and they're having to decide who gets treatment, and who does not. Some people are literally just being left to die. and Italy has more ICU beds per person than Britain does.

At least Thailand has a lot of affordable private hospitals in addition to the state health system. I'm making sure my insurance covers me, just in case. Better safe than sorry and all that.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 13:15:09
... and they're having to decide who gets treatment, and who does not. Some people are literally just being left to die. and Italy has more ICU beds per person than Britain does.
Double in fact. And their health system generally hasn't been slashed to the bone the way ours has. One of the things that most shocked Italians into realising the scale of the problem a couple of weeks ago was pictures of patients being treated on trolleys in corridors. Thanks to austerity that's been normal here for years. We are probably the least well equipped country in Europe to deal with this in terms of capacity overload.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 13:19:44
It does still shock me that in the UK there is so much a "I'm alright Jack" "fuck the rest of the popluation" attitude from so many people, "if I catch it I won't die", more worried by running out of loo roll and pasta than anything.

Because you are not in the "at risk" category doesn't mean that you won't spread it inadvertently to people that ARE at risk.

I have come to the conclusion, although I kinda knew it before, that people in this country are a bunch of selfish self absorbed cunts.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 13:25:54
The hidden impact is the key one, and Paul mentioned it - this will cause deaths for other reasons because the Healthcare systems are not designed to cope with surges.  In the USA, a private system where they don;t have any issues with resources - it can all be overcharged to the customers (patients) - there are some HC providers already running out of supplies.  6 months of surgical masks used in 1 month is the trend in some locations - they've resorted to making their own and sending out DIY instructions to the public to make some for them as well, as the supply chain cannot keep up.  That's a tiny detail, but now imagine how the entire systems, knitted together, can fall apart quickly if you get into a situation like Northern Italy did..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: brocklesby red on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 13:37:30
A group of us were due to fly to Hamburg tomorrow for a stag weekend. The hotel have given us a full refund, HSV have said theyíll be refunding our match tickets but Easyjet have refused to allow us refunds on the grounds that the government have only advised against travel and havenít banned it. That despite warnings that if you do travel, you could well end up stuck abroad with no government help to get back. Obviously not going so have rebooked for October at an extra cost of £48. Easyjet seem to be at the front of the queue with the begging bowl at the moment but charity only seems to work one way with them.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 13:43:41
Nearly 18% of positively tested poeple HAD NO SYMPTOMS.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/18/what-percentage-have-covid-19-coronavirus-but-do-not-know-it/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 14:02:25
Football in England cancelled until 'at least' 30th April.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 14:04:31
A group of us were due to fly to Hamburg tomorrow for a stag weekend. The hotel have given us a full refund, HSV have said theyíll be refunding our match tickets but Easyjet have refused to allow us refunds on the grounds that the government have only advised against travel and havenít banned it. That despite warnings that if you do travel, you could well end up stuck abroad with no government help to get back. Obviously not going so have rebooked for October at an extra cost of £48. Easyjet seem to be at the front of the queue with the begging bowl at the moment but charity only seems to work one way with them.
Same situation with RyanAir and a cancelled kids' football tour to Ireland. Hotel, catering, everything else have all agreed to full refunds. RyanAir are holding out. TBF don't think either are at the front of the queue with the begging bowl - billionaire tax exile Richard Branson sharp-elbowed his way to the front of the queue asking for a multi-billion pound handout for his Virgin Airways over a week ago.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 14:05:45
Quote from: Flashheart
... and they're having to decide who gets treatment, and who does not. Some people are literally just being left to die. and Italy has more ICU beds per person than Britain does.
.

I'm reliably informed you don't want to be over 65 in a hotspot


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 14:08:11
Football closedown extended until end of April (at least)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51962751


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 14:20:04
"The Football Association has also agreed that the current season can be "extended indefinitely" beyond the original end date of 1 June."


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 14:22:45
Still don't think it's as simple as that RE: extending indefinitely but, meh, whatever.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 14:23:02
Does that mean our Tuesday night games will be on a Saturday?  ;D


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 14:30:43
Does that mean our Tuesday night games will be on a Saturday?  ;D

I suspect that if/when it happens it will be 3 or 4 weeks of games Saturday - Tuesday - Saturday.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:10:11
A group of us were due to fly to Hamburg tomorrow for a stag weekend. The hotel have given us a full refund, HSV have said theyíll be refunding our match tickets but Easyjet have refused to allow us refunds on the grounds that the government have only advised against travel and havenít banned it. That despite warnings that if you do travel, you could well end up stuck abroad with no government help to get back. Obviously not going so have rebooked for October at an extra cost of £48. Easyjet seem to be at the front of the queue with the begging bowl at the moment but charity only seems to work one way with them.
Ive just been refunded my EasyJet ticket money - Athens-Gatwick and Gatwick-Kefalonia. I left it as late as possible as up until yesterday they were only  offering changing for future flights for free.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:12:41
Same situation with RyanAir and a cancelled kids' football tour to Ireland. Hotel, catering, everything else have all agreed to full refunds. RyanAir are holding out. TBF don't think either are at the front of the queue with the begging bowl - billionaire tax exile Richard Branson sharp-elbowed his way to the front of the queue asking for a multi-billion pound handout for his Virgin Airways over a week ago.

In all fairness, my brother had a full refund from Virgin.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:22:43
I confess I have bought in some extra dry food and a few extra bog rolls two weeks ago and stored it all in case of lockdown, which, at the time, I thought would be for maybe two weeks. Things have moved on. I have then shopped as normal, except I grabbed a couple extra beers this week, once work kicked me out. I don't consider this unreasonable as my wife is disabled to the extent that she cannot walk or drive anymore. All happened in quick time so we and young daughter are still coming to terms with it. She can't go to even the local shops, even with the mobility scooter, as the roads are full of nutters and cars are parked all over the paths. If I get sick, and I have a long-term illness that enables a free flu-jab, then they are screwed. I can't be the only one who has had to think like this and therefore, I declare me, very slightly less of a dick than the rest of the relatively healthy scrum shoppers.
Just saw an old boy in a supermarket forlornly walking the empty aisles for food. He had some salt and nothing else. Enough said.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:28:07
Just saw an old boy in a supermarket forlornly walking the empty aisles for food. He had some salt and nothing else. Enough said.

That's heartbreaking.  I genuinely fear for older (70+) folk who live on their own when the lockdown period happens.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:29:01
In all fairness, my brother had a full refund from Virgin.
Fair do's. That in no way alters the fact that Brason's a cunt though


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:30:57
TBF this increase was announced 2 months ago and our price increase letter came 2 weeks ago before this mass isolation started happening.

I just rung up, my discounts ran out and my bill was et to increase by £20.
Rung them, asked and got it for £20 less than what im paying now


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:35:45
I confess I have bought in some extra dry food and a few extra bog rolls two weeks ago and stored it all in case of lockdown, which, at the time, I thought would be for maybe two weeks. Things have moved on. I have then shopped as normal, except I grabbed a couple extra beers this week, once work kicked me out. I don't consider this unreasonable as my wife is disabled to the extent that she cannot walk or drive anymore. All happened in quick time so we and young daughter are still coming to terms with it. She can't go to even the local shops, even with the mobility scooter, as the roads are full of nutters and cars are parked all over the paths. If I get sick, and I have a long-term illness that enables a free flu-jab, then they are screwed. I can't be the only one who has had to think like this and therefore, I declare me, very slightly less of a dick than the rest of the relatively healthy scrum shoppers.
Think you're entirely reasonable there. And this and cases like this is why the online judging of people is just as bad as the panic buying. A mate of my missus works as a home help/carer in Wroughton. By the nature of it, her clients are elderly and/or vulnerable so she offered to get some bits in for them. Which led to her being all but hounded out of Tesco in tears by people who assumed they "knew" that she was being selfish, when she was actually trying to help. She's now had to get a uniform made so she can "prove" she is a carer (it doesn't prove anything but seems to work to be able to point to it when the witch-hunt mobs start up).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:40:31
All those people with their 1980's Bidet's are having the last laugh now.

Does anyone know if Reg is alright?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:45:38
The Police had to be called to shut down a Church flouting State rules on gatherings greater than 50 people in Louisiana:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-police-church-defy-state-order

ďThe virus, we believe, is politically motivated,Ē Spell told WAFB. ďWe hold our religious rights dear and we are going to assemble no matter what someone says.Ē


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 15:45:50
He's not even 70  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:15:50
All those people with their 1980's Bidet's are having the last laugh now.

Does anyone know if Reg is alright?
Was wondering that myself. Been worryingly quiet the past week or so. Might disagree with him occasionally ( ;) ) but hope the argumentative old sod's OK


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:17:32
A group of us were due to fly to Hamburg tomorrow for a stag weekend. The hotel have given us a full refund, HSV have said theyíll be refunding our match tickets but Easyjet have refused to allow us refunds on the grounds that the government have only advised against travel and havenít banned it. That despite warnings that if you do travel, you could well end up stuck abroad with no government help to get back. Obviously not going so have rebooked for October at an extra cost of £48. Easyjet seem to be at the front of the queue with the begging bowl at the moment but charity only seems to work one way with them.

i had a napples trip booked for 5th april- easyjet emailed last week and confirmed choice of refund or new date of which i chose refund. seems strange how they arent doing this for all destinations


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:20:21
i know the stats are deceiving but it is still a bit crazy to see ONLY 3 confirmed cases in swindon and 9 in wiltshire.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:22:14
i know the stats are deceiving but it is still a bit crazy to see ONLY 3 confirmed cases in swindon and 9 in wiltshire.
That's because they're only testing people who are ill enough to be hospitalised. Not even testing front line medical staff which is insane, there must be hundreds, if not thousands, walking around with the virus not even aware of it while they are treating patients.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Briggany on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:36:09
There are way more than 3.

2 work colleagues have been confirmed to have it that live in Swindon/Bassett. And my friend has it.

I say confirmed as essentially they can't test everyone, so you call 111 and they decide whether you need a call back. Then you get a clinical call back with a health professional that will decide if you have it or not. These are "confirmed" cases. Essentially a best guess given symptoms.

Diagnosed cases are this that have actually had the test done.

I developed a cough last Wednesday and self isolated Friday. Works now closed and all staff are working from home for the next few months.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:38:10
All those people with their 1980's Bidet's are having the last laugh now.

Does anyone know if Reg is alright?



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9bmLy5HZznY


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:38:53
Was wondering that myself. Been worryingly quiet the past week or so. Might disagree with him occasionally ( ;) ) but hope the argumentative old sod's OK

He was logged on an hour ago  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:40:32
He was logged on an hour ago  :sherlock:
Good, glad to hear he's OK. Or at least well enough to be checking up on us all.  :bye: Hi Reg!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:45:00
That's heartbreaking.  I genuinely fear for older (70+) folk who live on their own when the lockdown period happens.

We have booked an online delivery for my old man (83 next week) and his missus who live near Witney via our Asda account as they are struggling, problem is Asda seem to be out of stock of loads of stuff so a bit wait and see, but its all I* can do from 200+ miles away!  

* When I say I, its actually the wife who is organised. As she is a bit anal of running out of things by habit (if she takes the car out and the tank is half full she will put some petrol in!) she has been very organised meaning that we don't need to really panic buy (although she has been getting bits and bobs on our order for elderly neighbours and her mum and dad), we have two shops a week and she has always booked online slots as far ahead as she can to continue that, a cupboard audit with the 7 year old (off school) suggests we could do about 2 weeks before things get sticky.

I think habits are going to change a lot after this, we have to do online really as the nearest supermarket which isn't Booths (northern Waitrose) is Kendal which is about 20 miles away, plus we both hate shopping. 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 16:59:24
For those with kids...

(https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90044945_3131641380228246_6099795760180625408_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=WZayRKseWSsAX-NNCTi&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-1.fna&oh=ca9371f53259146380ad4dd49b89abc0&oe=5E9B1429)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:07:56
We have booked an online delivery for my old man (83 next week) and his missus who live near Witney via our Asda account as they are struggling, problem is Asda seem to be out of stock of loads of stuff so a bit wait and see, but its all I* can do from 200+ miles away!  

* When I say I, its actually the wife who is organised. As she is a bit anal of running out of things by habit (if she takes the car out and the tank is half full she will put some petrol in!) she has been very organised meaning that we don't need to really panic buy (although she has been getting bits and bobs on our order for elderly neighbours and her mum and dad), we have two shops a week and she has always booked online slots as far ahead as she can to continue that, a cupboard audit with the 7 year old (off school) suggests we could do about 2 weeks before things get sticky.

I think habits are going to change a lot after this, we have to do online really as the nearest supermarket which isn't Booths (northern Waitrose) is Kendal which is about 20 miles away, plus we both hate shopping. 

Plenty of rabbits about  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:13:44
I've been accused of being selfish by a work colleague because I'm putting their loved ones at risk by going to the pub. Now, I don't consider myself as being stupid, but I don't understand their logic - if their "at risk" granny is nicely isolated at home, how does it effect her? Surely I'm only risking the health of the staff who have to be there, and other "selfish" folk who are also in the pub?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:18:58
Presume you have to get to the pub from work/home and then back again.

Are you certain you will NOT interact with absolutely nobody on your route?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:26:18
Presume you have to get to the pub from work/home and then back again.

Are you certain you will NOT interact with absolutely nobody on your route?

Virtually. And again, the people I may bump in to will not, by their logic, be people at risk.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:44:47
I've been accused of being selfish by a work colleague because I'm putting their loved ones at risk by going to the pub. Now, I don't consider myself as being stupid, but I don't understand their logic - if their "at risk" granny is nicely isolated at home, how does it effect her? Surely I'm only risking the health of the staff who have to be there, and other "selfish" folk who are also in the pub?
No, you and everyone else in the pub is risking the health of everyone you all then have contact with, and everyone they have contact with, and so on, which is how viruses spread rapidly through a community from small beginnings. From a couple pf pages ago:

1) People have tested positive for the virus without displaying symptoms so not feeling ill is no guarantee you're not spreading it
2) 10s of thousands of people will die from this (the CMO's "best hope" is "only" 20,000 deaths). People you know and care about will die. How many is down to how quickly the virus spreads. How quickly the virus spreads is down to people's behaviour. Like not doing stupid shit like going to a pub with "less than 20 people" in it that will all spread the virus not just to each other but to everyone else they have contact with
3) If the virus spreads quickly it will overwhelm the NHS, that will probably happen very quickly due to a decade of underfunding. At that point, people will start to die not just of coronavirus but because they can't get in intensive care for heart attacks, chronic diseases etc
4) If you think you won't get affected because you're not in a high risk group, in the US 40% of cases hospitalised are in the 20-54 age bracket. At the moment, they're largely not dying because there are enough intensive care beds and ventilators to go round. Once this thing peaks, there won't be. Then those people will start doing too because they can't be treated. Even if you are one of the wankers who think the old and sick are expendable because "I'm all right Jack", it's not just old people who will die from this.
5) If you find the current "social distancing" irksome, you're going to really hate a full lockdown when you literally won't be allowed out of your house unless you're a key worker or getting supplies (and possibly not even for that if they can sort out home deliveries). That will become necessary if people like you continue to do stupid shit like going to a pub with less than 20 people in it.

We are not islands, isolated from each other. We are all connected and how we behave affects everyone. If we make sensible choices and act like we are all responsible for each other we can limit the impact of this thing. If we act like selfish wankers, we're all going to be going to a lot of funerals, explaining to grieving families how it's all overhyped, it's just a bit of flu really and there's no reason to stop behaving like we are the only people who matter.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:47:31
Firstly, if you are not under 19 (as data suggests) you are indeed at risk, just not as much.

Next - you may interact with someone and pass the virus on to them, they interact with someone more at risk, and so on.

Or, you pick up the virus and while you are less at risk you develop severe symptoms requiring treatment, during your hospital visit you interact with other patients, staff and visitors and on we go again.  Around half the patients in ICU beds are under 65.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:48:59
Is there really any need to call me a wanker?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:49:56
What about beer gardens? Are they ok?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:49:58
What chance have we got if we're still at the stage that this stuff has to be explained to people?  :doh:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:51:57
What about beer gardens? Are they ok?

Will you be able to mobile order from the table and have it delivered in a paper cup by a string and pulley system from the bar, pumped by a person in a Hazmat suit?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:53:11
What chance have we got if we're still at the stage that this stuff has to be explained to people?  :doh:

It's why China got to grips with it, eventually.  No negotiation, home or jail sir?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: herthab on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:56:34
I'd love to self isolate, as an asthmatic (albeit not 'brittle') I'm fully aware of the risk I'm posing to myself. Unfortunately I've no choice but to work and that work (lorry driver) isn't something that can be done from home. What I am doing though is limiting an social contact. Which I'm finding really easy, as I'm anti social at the best of times.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 17:59:53
Is there really any need to call me a wanker?
No, and I didn't mean to directly call you a wanker. It was cut and paste from my original answer to Sippo this morning. And I didn't mean to call him a wanker either, it was more a general reflection on people putting their own fairly trivial self-gratification as more important than a deeply non-trivial public health issue.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:01:24
Another reason for treating a trip to the pub as a risk - if you do get ill, and did need treatment, 8% of the Italian Healthcare workforce is now infected thanks to treating the ill, and is beginning to suffer deaths in the Doctor population.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:01:41
What about beer gardens? Are they ok?
This has been answered multiple times. Why do you keep asking the same question (and getting pretty much the same answers) unless you're deliberately trolling?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:03:58
The time before we were on lockdown already seems like another age. I've left the house once in the last three days, for an hour. I read discussions like this as if they were from a history book.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:13:37
What chance have we got if we're still at the stage that this stuff has to be explained to people?  :doh:

Only yesterday I saw somebody claim 'it's just the flu'


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:17:08
Only yesterday I saw somebody claim 'it's just the flu'
With nobs on

And bells and whistles


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:23:53
I've been accused of being selfish by a work colleague because I'm putting their loved ones at risk by going to the pub. Now, I don't consider myself as being stupid, but I don't understand their logic - if their "at risk" granny is nicely isolated at home, how does it effect her? Surely I'm only risking the health of the staff who have to be there, and other "selfish" folk who are also in the pub?

Italy reports 5,322 new cases of #Coronavirus and 427 new deaths.

Total number of cases reach 41035 and Total death toll reaches 3405

Fatality rate= 8.2%

And they are on lockdown and have been for an extended period already


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:27:00
Boris says we can beat this in 12 weeks

Thatís us fucked then


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:40:37
Not sure that was what he said if you listened to his answers to the subsequent questions


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chunkyhair on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:50:59
As evidenced by a small number on this thread, whilst the Govt "advise" people to (e.g) not go to the pub, there are a significant number of folks who will choose to ignore this advice, in spite of the obvious potential consequences for them or others.

The words leadership and Boris really cannot be used in the same sentence (unless to say he has no fucking clue how to lead other than telling folks what he thinks they want to hear). Trumpian leadership in evidence here.

We all need to take this seriously as the Govt do not appear to be doing so


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:51:45
"We don't know where we are, how long this thing will go on for, but what I can say is this is going to be finite, we will turn the tide and I can see how we can do this in the next 12 weeks."


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AldbourneRed on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:53:04
I read an insightful thread earlier, re-posted from an Italian Twitter user, which talks about the various stages of misunderstanding and denial their country went through over the last couple of weeks.

Sobering reading for anyone who hasn't yet twigged what could be to come:
https://www.boredpanda.com/coronavirus-outbreak-stages-italy-jason-yanowitz/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:53:18
Supposed to isolating but did an online shop yet the bulk is out of stock, so had to go.
Shops are stripped bare. No bread,milk,toilet rolls, disinfectant or tinned food. Bugger all frozen food either.
Yet was only allowed 3 bottles of coke as no more than 3 items of anything  :-[

Ppl do realise that even on lockdown you will still be able to shop.
Selfish wankers.
Hope half their food spoils


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:58:38
EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has it now. Probably Johnson's fault.

The gradual phasing in of restrictions in the UK is being cleverly managed. Any cliff edge shutdown would have created a backlash. I think the government is managing the situation well.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 18:59:05
"We don't know where we are, how long this thing will go on for, but what I can say is this is going to be finite, we will turn the tide and I can see how we can do this in the next 12 weeks."

When questioned he didn't adequately explain what turning the tide meant...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 19:05:24
When questioned he didn't adequately explain what turning the tide meant...

That reads to me as if they think it could take 12 weeks to stem the rise in cases, which seems reasonable given China and Italy's examples, if they force a lot of the closures.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 19:13:08
One might infer that's what he meant but we shouldn't really have to rely on inferences.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 19:16:42
I think both Boris and the government have done a rather better job than others are giving them credit for.  Equating his efforts with Trump's disgraceful charade is particularly unfair.

The glaring exception is the failure to close down pubs and restaurants.  I don't understand the rationale.  It allows people to make bad choices and puts the financially desperate owners in an impossible position.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 19:24:24
Boris is Boris, but the Thai government are all over the place.

Different departments keep on contradicting each other over immigration etc and nobody knows what's going on. I got my visa extended just last week so hopefully I can avoid most of the fuckwittery.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:23:02
The massive problem with plucking the 12 weeks figure out thin air is that while it's reassuring (and I get that, the nation could do with some reassurance) it also creates a pressure down the line. If in 10-11 weeks' time, social distancing and the more extreme measures that will be coming in the next couple of weeks (we'll need them because people keep going to the pub because they feel fine and it's just a bit of flu) are starting to have an effect and we start to see the peak flatten out, then there will be huge political pressure to open everything up again. And understandably so. The problem comes if that goes against the scientific and medical advice. Johnson has just created his own deadline. I'm not sure I trust him to resist the pressure he has put on himself tonight to do what is right for the country.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:28:23
The glaring exception is the failure to close down pubs and restaurants. 
And not taking action to ensure key workers can actually feed themselves because by the time they finish their 12 hour shifts trying to save the rest of us the selfish wankers have stripped the shelves bare. And people who rent. And zero hours contract workers. And employees and freelancers in the entertainment sector. And anyone who works for a business that is asking it's employees to work unpaid for the next 4 weeks, 8 weeks, indefinitely. And not testing healthcare workers. And shutting down schools (but keeping them open for key workers) without a plan on how that should be done. And ..... and ..... at the margins, the list goes on. The common theme is that it is those at the bottom that are paying the heaviest price.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:32:14
The massive problem with plucking the 12 weeks figure out thin air is that while it's reassuring (and I get that, the nation could do with some reassurance) it also creates a pressure down the line. If in 10-11 weeks' time, social distancing and the more extreme measures that will be coming in the next couple of weeks (we'll need them because people keep going to the pub because they feel fine and it's just a bit of flu) are starting to have an effect and we start to see the peak flatten out, then there will be huge political pressure to open everything up again. And understandably so. The problem comes if that goes against the scientific and medical advice. Johnson has just created his own deadline. I'm not sure I trust him to resist the pressure he has put on himself tonight to do what is right for the country.

It's almost like Johnson is winging it.  Extraordinary stuff.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:35:07
It's almost like Johnson is winging it.  Extraordinary stuff.
tbf everyone is to some extent. We've never been here before. But some countries seem to be better prepared than others.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:39:47
Iím not a political person, but he is a clown. Shut the schools. Mentions key workers then doesnít give a list. The schools need to know how many kids will be in for safeguarding, food, staff...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:42:20
In fairness, the novel nature of this means that, inevitably, this is all being done 'on the fly'. Everyone wants an answer now to every conceivable issue but I am not sure that this is possible.

I suspect that Corbyn is relieved that he didn't make it to number 10 after all.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:46:02
Scumbags

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-51962556


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:50:30
In fairness, the novel nature of this means that, inevitably, this is all being done 'on the fly'. Everyone wants an answer now to every conceivable issue but I am not sure that this is possible.

I suspect that Corbyn is relieved that he didn't make it to number 10 after all.
Arenít we all.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 20:52:09
In fairness, the novel nature of this means that, inevitably, this is all being done 'on the fly'. Everyone wants an answer now to every conceivable issue but I am not sure that this is possible.
No it's not. But some level of guidance could have been drawn up. My missus works in the education sector with vulnerable and at risk kids and families. They've spent the day in meetings trying to work out who they allow in and who they don't based on a combination of how much at risk the child is and whether the parents are key workers. They've had no guidance on any of it. Not even a basic list of what constitutes "key workers". You could draw that list up in about 5 minutes. They're just throwing out policy and soundbites on the fly.

I suspect that Corbyn is relieved that he didn't make it to number 10 after all.
I think we all are. Just a shame either alternative was equally fucking useless.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 21:00:27
Iím not a political person, but he is a clown. Shut the schools. Mentions key workers then doesnít give a list. The schools need to know how many kids will be in for safeguarding, food, staff...

Daughter works in a private school in Newcastle. They were told today the school would be open for key workers kids. Yet no idea who the key workers are so no idea on numbers.
Could be 40 or 200. School only has 400 kids  :eek:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chunkyhair on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 21:18:57
Watching QT - Matt Hancock looks (and sounds) clueless and out of his depth.  Apparently 10,000 hand sanitizers have been shipped to NHS - no proof of this but that is probably is a lot less than one per GP surgery - great!

Why is the Sec of State for Health a PPE graduate like so many of his peers. I would like to think that a person with some kind of medical background might be better qualified.

Honestly  - zero confidence inspired by him. Watch QT and to quote Barry Davies - "look at his face, just look at his face"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 21:23:41
The head at my wee ones school has been going loco in email updates as they also just want to know what the criteria for kids who can still attend school actually is so they can plan accordingly.

It was oddly heartbreaking seeing the numbers of families drop on a daily basis throughout this weeks school run. The school attendance rate was 66% at my daughters school yesterday and it was definitely quieter today (they started merging classes a couple of days ago).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: brocklesby red on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 21:44:59
Watching QT - Matt Hancock looks (and sounds) clueless and out of his depth.  Apparently 10,000 hand sanitizers have been shipped to NHS - no proof of this but that is probably is a lot less than one per GP surgery - great!

Why is the Sec of State for Health a PPE graduate like so many of his peers. I would like to think that a person with some kind of medical background might be better qualified.

Honestly  - zero confidence inspired by him. Watch QT and to quote Barry Davies - "look at his face, just look at his face"

Heís just said that zero hours contract workers will all be able to claim SSP but that isnít true, only those earning at least £118 will qualify.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 21:52:08
Supposed to isolating but did an online shop yet the bulk is out of stock, so had to go.


Iím selfish for thinking about going to a pub garden, yet this bloke is supposed to be self isolating yet still goes out....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 21:52:54
No it's not. But some level of guidance could have been drawn up. My missus works in the education sector with vulnerable and at risk kids and families. They've spent the day in meetings trying to work out who they allow in and who they don't based on a combination of how much at risk the child is and whether the parents are key workers. They've had no guidance on any of it. Not even a basic list of what constitutes "key workers". You could draw that list up in about 5 minutes. They're just throwing out policy and soundbites on the fly.
I think we all are. Just a shame either alternative was equally fucking useless.

I agree that if you make a positive statement on something (such as keep the offspring of key workers in school) there has to be clarity.

It occurs to me that the govt won't let the economy go completely down the pan. On or around 12 weeks, all restrictions will go out of the window regardless of whether we have 'beaten' this.  Boris can say at that point we tried valiantly to stem the tide but that didn't work, so we'll let it do it's worst rather than let life as we know it go down the shitter.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 21:58:44
Iím selfish for thinking about going to a pub garden, yet this bloke is supposed to be self isolating yet still goes out....

I apologise for needing to eat.
Cock


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 22:02:25
Iím selfish for thinking about going to a pub garden, yet this bloke is supposed to be self isolating yet still goes out....

Are you on a fucking wind up Sippo?

Be honest, because if you are then it's wearing very thin.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 22:04:22
Pubs still getting customers from what I drove past again tonight (rat trap,crown,new Inn,dockle)
People are incredibly selfish. Pubs are still putting on gigs this weekend in the town too. Giving people a choice doesn't work. We have to have strict rules to beat the his virus. It's literally the difference between life and death for many people.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 22:14:35
I apologise for needing to eat.
Cock

But you were supposed to be self isolating which means not leaving your house.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 22:15:29
Are you on a fucking wind up Sippo?

Be honest, because if you are then it's wearing very thin.

No wind up here. Not intentionally winding people up.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 23:21:22
Iím now living in the 3rd worst affected country on the planet. I know whatís coming to you lot in a weeks time. This time last week we had the same amount as the UK does now and we were already on lockdown. I hate to say it but youíre fucked.
Good luck and stay safe


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 23:24:30
But you were supposed to be self isolating which means not leaving your house.

Even in fucking lockdown you are allowed to shop ffs.
Could just go without I guess  ::)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 23:25:14
But at least we can still get a half of Ruddles down the local spoons.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 19, 2020, 23:40:04
Quote from: mexico red
I hate to say it but youíre fucked.
Good luck and stay safe

cheers Mex. you too


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, March 20, 2020, 00:16:23
I apologise for needing to eat.
Cock

Why did you need to eat cock?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 20, 2020, 00:20:47
But you were supposed to be self isolating which means not leaving your house.
No it doesn't, although you're right about not going out to buy food. The advice is that you should not leave your house except
1) In medical emergency
2) Exercise, but not in crowded areas and not in groups and maintain the recommended 2 meters distance

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/

TBF to wooly, the advice has changed in the last few days. Last time I looked you were OK to go out to get food and medicine. Now the advice is to get it delivered or dropped off by a friend.

This is half the problem, the advice changes so frequently that what you think you "know" is wrong a few days later.

Oh and btw, you are still (and will remain) completely and utterly wrong about being OK to pop down the pub for a pint. On a scale of 1 to "What the actual fuck do you think you are playing at?" wooly going out to get food is probably around a 1 or a 2, going to the pub is at least an 8.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 20, 2020, 00:23:48
Pubs are still putting on gigs this weekend in the town too.
Seriously? I get that pubs can't close without a govt order, it's financial suicide and I have every sympathy with them. But actively encouraging crowds? That's beyond irresponsible.

The govt need to just shut the fucking pubs, the restaurants, the theatres for Christ's sake, and pay the salaries of the staff. Then the owners of these businesses can stop having to choose between their responsibility to their staff and their responsibility to public health, which isn't a choice they should have to be making and Sippo might finally get the message and just get some tinnies in and drink them in his own garden. Or his kitchen. Wherever.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, March 20, 2020, 03:12:04
https://t.co/DzFTv13wYn?amp=1

Not a huge model but potentially encouraging signs. We have to look at glimmers of light, which might be a lot harder for some.

But news like this can give us hope that we all can go to the pub again without fear, in time.

Edit: Pages 19 onwards for charts and tables if you don't want to read all the guff. Page 24 is of note, going forward.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 20, 2020, 05:04:36
For those ĎMust go to the pubí types, have a read of this

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Friday, March 20, 2020, 05:58:28
I went out for a delightful fish supper in The Royal Oak, Old Town, Swindon yesterday evening. Our party consisted of people in their 30s, 50s, 60s & 70s. The venue was busy as were the two pubs afterwards. A band had cancelled but that was the only disappointment. I am going into work as usual at 9am today. I am going away this evening for a weekend break. I know of no-one who is ill due to this outbreak. How are all of you doing in your day to day lives away from trying to be strategists in unprecedented times?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Friday, March 20, 2020, 06:11:49
The gentle trolling has all the hallmarks of a Reg post. I assume that this is one of his other accounts.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mr Stevens on Friday, March 20, 2020, 08:48:05
Obviously the Brexit negotiations have been put on the back burner until the current issues have been resolved.

As there is little doubt that a shrinking of the economy is imminent, are we facing more problems immediately after?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Friday, March 20, 2020, 09:00:14
The key worker list is out then. Doesn't go far enough as in my opinion they should also be the only workers allowed to go to work and leave their homes unless completely necessary. The government are being reactive rather than proactive. Not good enough


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, March 20, 2020, 09:10:19
I went out for a delightful fish supper in The Royal Oak, Old Town, Swindon yesterday evening. Our party consisted of people in their 30s, 50s, 60s & 70s. The venue was busy as were the two pubs afterwards. A band had cancelled but that was the only disappointment. I am going into work as usual at 9am today. I am going away this evening for a weekend break. I know of no-one who is ill due to this outbreak. How are all of you doing in your day to day lives away from trying to be strategists in unprecedented times?

Your best hope is that trolls are immune

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 20, 2020, 09:16:07
Idiots are dangerous. What makes it worse is that they are dangerous to other people.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, March 20, 2020, 09:24:07
I went out for a delightful fish supper in The Royal Oak, Old Town, Swindon yesterday evening. Our party consisted of people in their 30s, 50s, 60s & 70s. The venue was busy as were the two pubs afterwards. A band had cancelled but that was the only disappointment. I am going into work as usual at 9am today. I am going away this evening for a weekend break. I know of no-one who is ill due to this outbreak. How are all of you doing in your day to day lives away from trying to be strategists in unprecedented times?

I have no words to describe the contempt I feel for you, and for anyone else behaving like this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:07:29
Why did you need to eat cock?

 :I'm a complete mofleakin Deak


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:09:21
Seeing some of the videos of people that have this, I don't wish it on anybody.

If I did have the option of deciding who gets it and who does not, however, those going to the pubs will be among the first on the list.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:14:35

TBF to wooly, the advice has changed in the last few days. Last time I looked you were OK to go out to get food and medicine. Now the advice is to get it delivered or dropped off by a friend.

This is half the problem, the advice changes so frequently that what you think you "know" is wrong a few days later.


I have a delivery slot for next week, next one available is mid April  :badmood:
Which wouldn't be so bad if half the stuff you ordered was actually delivered.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:15:07
Declaring an intent to go down the pub would be worth it just for the lecture from PaulD (informative and educational that they are).  :)

Tempting as it is to nip down the pub for a swift one. Itís just not worth it.
There will be plenty of opportunity for that once this thing is over.

Splendid isolation does warrant trying to source a delivery of some fine Trappist beer though!

For anyone who is struggling to get hold of some hand sanitiser then TCP diluted should do the job.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:16:14
Looks like I am not going to the pub on the weekend now.

Even though my argument still stands. Go in, buy pint, go out sit in the garden. Literally two/three minutes inside.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:30:26

Even though my argument still stands.

No, it does not. It never did, and it never will.

But if you don't get that by now then you're never going to.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adje on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:43:11
Why don't we all just agree that nobody knows and behave?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:48:52
At the end of the day we still have to go to the shops and stand in a queue for ages.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:54:52
At the end of the day we still have to go to the shops and stand in a queue for ages.

We do, yes. There are some things that we cannot practically avoid.  

However, the way that viruses spread means that limiting (not necessarily completely cancelling) contact with other people can make a significant difference to the overall number of cases at any one time. It is exponential growth, meaning the more cases there are, the sharper the curve becomes. Even just a small decrease in the rate of spread could mean the difference between the health service coping, or being overrun.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Friday, March 20, 2020, 10:55:18
I have a delivery slot for next week, next one available is mid April  :badmood:
Which wouldn't be so bad if half the stuff you ordered was actually delivered.

I'm fetching stuff for my vulnerable parents. Fetching and dropping at their door so not putting them at risk. I'm happy to get yours too if you want anything. DM a list and your address and I'll do what I can. Stay home if you can. I have to work so am out there anyway.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:00:09
I'm fetching stuff for my vulnerable parents. I'm happy to get yours too if you want anything. DM a list and your address and I'll do what I can. Stay home if you can. I have to work so am out there anyway.

Cheers Arriba, appreciate,that really do. Am good for the mo and have a delivery slot for next week so hopefully be fine.
Will bear in mind if need arises tho.
 :clap:

Hope you and your parents stay safe


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:13:38
Is this crazy stockpiling just a Brit thing? Iíve just been down the supermarket here, no queues, nobody piling high their trollies, some - mainly old - people with masks.

Shelves stocked as per normal - maybe a little light on meat products. I only needed a bag of coffee beans and ingredients for Mrs Audrey to make a cake (more chance of dying there, I reckon!).

Being a small island with no huge warehouses filled with stock itíd be more understandable if people were going bat-shit crazy here.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:19:51
Is this crazy stockpiling just a Brit thing? Iíve just been down the supermarket here, no queues, nobody piling high their trollies, some - mainly old - people with masks.


Seems to be a Brit and an Australian thing as friends over there are reporting similar.

Can't wait till December when the self inflicted Brexit food issues occur....


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:34:24
Wow, just fucking wow. The US pharma company that makes a malaria drug that *might* be effective in treating coronavirus put the price up 100% in January when the Chinese started looking at it as a potential treatment. These people should be in jail.

https://www.ft.com/content/b7a21a16-6a1f-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:41:11
I have a delivery slot for next week, next one available is mid April  :badmood:
Which wouldn't be so bad if half the stuff you ordered was actually delivered.
The advice to get food delivered seems to be rapidly breaking down because you can't get the slots and as you say even if you can most of it doesn't get delivered. We had our weekly shop delivered last night, got about 1/4 of what we ordered. No frozen food, no tins, no rice and pasta obviously, very little fruit and veg. So yes it's all well and good the govt issuing the advice to not go out but if food isn't being delivered, it's difficult to see what people can do if they can't rely on help from friends and family.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:43:11
I have a delivery slot for next week, next one available is mid April  :badmood:
Which wouldn't be so bad if half the stuff you ordered was actually delivered.

We had 10 items missing yesterday and we didn't even order very much.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:48:25
As small person felt up to it she went to school this morning for the last day.

Got a massive pack of stuff from school to do with her whilst she is off, plus the teachers are going to remain in touch with the kids as appropriate using the net/phone so cannot fault them at all!

Popped into local village shop and chemist on way home, shop had all the essentials (shit loads of milk and bread) whilst the chemist had the calpol I needed and was splitting paracetamol prescription packs and selling them like that as they couldn't get any commercial branded stuff.

So if you want stuff maybe try the small locals rather then the supermarkets, hopefully the panic buying will calm down a bit now the lock down is nearly upon us.

What is this desperate need people have to go to the pub, Jesus this is the one time we are being actively encouraged to stay on the settee watching the telly for everyone's good!



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:50:50
That video on the news of the poor nurse who had just finished a huge shift and popped into her local shop to get her shopping only to see empty shelves was heartbreaking.

Just signed up to do some volunteering locally. Not sure exactly what it is going to involve but even if its to deliver food or hand washing items then at least I can try and be useful.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 20, 2020, 11:56:21
For all our metal healths!

(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/90253805_10156622707096315_2309289265202200576_o.png?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=g9EokApGwxcAX8nWufH&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=5d67abcfb9dd3f715c28eeca8b864a94&oe=5E99D5B0)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, March 20, 2020, 12:05:58
Looks like I am not going to the pub on the weekend now.

Even though my argument still stands. Go in, buy pint, go out sit in the garden. Literally two/three minutes inside.

Sippo, watch this video (1 minute) about how the virus spreads through contact surfaces.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-survives-on-surfaces-how-to-protect-yourself/

Youíre right, going shopping is an inherent risk and the more people who get the virus, the riskier shop visits will become. But unless we all starve, or thereís another option, people have no choice.

But any other non-essential visit to any other business, building etc is an unnecessary risk which will contribute to spreading this quicker so that weíll see the levels of death we canít yet comprehend. Itís that serious.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 20, 2020, 12:14:59
This chart shows the recovery rate getting worse.

My guess is that it's because Italy's health system is struggling.

(https://i.imgur.com/h002ybL.png)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, March 20, 2020, 12:28:35
Well, thats my work trip to Paris officially off. Not that i was expecting to go but BA have officially canceled the flight now.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, March 20, 2020, 12:50:36
If 18% of generally older people on the Diamond Princess were asymptomatic - maybe more because not everyone was tested - with a fatality rate of around 1%, how many of us might have or already have had it with no or mild symptoms? Another study of Japanese returnees from Wuhan came up with a figure of 30.8% asymptomatic.

Both of these studies are far from perfect but may offer hope that we are further along than thought. Of course we still need to do everything in our power to slow its spread, because we're already seeing how devastatingly it can overwhelm health services even in developed countries.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 20, 2020, 12:52:54
Well, thats my work trip to Paris officially off. Not that i was expecting to go but BA have officially canceled the flight now.

I'm booked on a BA flight next month (Amsterdam), how did you hear about the cancellation?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 20, 2020, 13:44:45
On a slightly brighter note as if we don't laugh we will cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO6FW1aJkTw


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, March 20, 2020, 14:14:34
I'm booked on a BA flight next month (Amsterdam), how did you hear about the cancellation?
They emailed and text me this morning. I've had about 3 emails in the last 2 weeks informing me they've changed the flight time (i guess they were trying to consolidate passengers into a few trips as possible) but today they've just flat out canceled it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 20, 2020, 14:36:48
Looks like BJís 12 weeks has been blown out of the water. A UK think tank says social distancing needs to be in place for a year - maybe alternating between very strict and more relaxed.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 20, 2020, 14:39:49
They emailed and text me this morning. I've had about 3 emails in the last 2 weeks informing me they've changed the flight time (i guess they were trying to consolidate passengers into a few trips as possible) but today they've just flat out canceled it.

Cheers, hopefully the Dutch or us close our borders soon then.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 20, 2020, 14:41:32
To be fair, 'think tanks' come out with all sorts of stuff and sometimes contradict each other (or even themselves).

It'd be too soon to say Boris's 12 weeks have been blown out of the water. Although that doesn't make him any less of a tool.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 20, 2020, 14:48:58
Reassuring to some, but not for everybody.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR09Egqsfw_oJVArzOY3MtRJZOMSFLD7r62Wbif6g1JlAo5RpV8vC3LyJPE


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chunkyhair on Friday, March 20, 2020, 15:10:29
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1240925642037878785?s=20

If in doubt, watch this interview from bloke in Italy hospital.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, March 20, 2020, 15:41:56
I have a wedding to go to next Friday thatís not been cancelled! Crazy.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, March 20, 2020, 16:03:51
It might be worth noting that NB Foods in Swindon (Food Wholesaler) are open.

Rivermead Industrial Estate
Rivermead Drive
Swindon
Wiltshire
SN5 7EX...not far from the Asda.

NB supply the Fast Food trade with Food and Drink. They do have a pay desk where you buy product and pay with cash and Debit Card (Not credit Card).

https://www.nbfoodsltd.co.uk/

Go to the desk and order and pay and they bring it out on a trolley.

Bigger boxes on product of course.

Worth a go as desperate times.



Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 20, 2020, 16:23:40
trying to explain to my eldest that he can't go to Lydiard park to meet all his mates/fellow leavers later.

then again he's already been to school today ..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: scillyred on Friday, March 20, 2020, 16:33:34
Looks like Londoners with holiday homes are now decanting to their second homes in the South West !
No doubt bringing the virus with them, emptying the supermarkets & putting further strain on overstretched NHS resources.
I live on a very small island of 2,000 people, we continue to allow free travel in, including second home owners and even still holidaymakers !



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 20, 2020, 16:56:15
Looks like Londoners with holiday homes are now decanting to their second homes in the South West !
No doubt bringing the virus with them, emptying the supermarkets & putting further strain on overstretched NHS resources.
I live on a very small island of 2,000 people, we continue to allow free travel in, including second home owners and even still holidaymakers !



Scilly behaviour.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bathford on Friday, March 20, 2020, 17:35:05
Seeing some of the videos of people that have this, I don't wish it on anybody.

If I did have the option of deciding who gets it and who does not, however, those going to the pubs will be among the first on the list.

I've just watched a report on Sky News from a ICU in an Italian Hospital.  That really brought it home.  If you need convincing, take a look at it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 20, 2020, 17:39:25
that's the report that made me realise .. fuck


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 20, 2020, 17:52:50
Not sure if its been posted on here, but Swindon sees its first death from Coronavirus.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18322461.coronavirus-first-swindon-death-confirmed/


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 20, 2020, 17:58:32
oh, that's sad
----------

oooh no pub for sippo tomorrow


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 20, 2020, 17:58:48
Cafes, pubs and bars are told to close after a week of woolly "shoulds"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 20, 2020, 17:59:06
What a cunt. 😉


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 20, 2020, 18:03:48
80% of wages of furloughed workers being paid up until £2500 per month. That was needed. Backdated to March 1st, initially for three months.

Unlimited funding.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mr Stevens on Friday, March 20, 2020, 18:04:50
But what about beer gardens?

  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 20, 2020, 18:07:28
80% of wages of furloughed workers being paid up until £2500 per month. That was needed. Backdated to March 1st, initially for three months.

Unlimited funding.
That's good. Anything for the self-employed/zero hours contract workers?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 20, 2020, 18:08:40
That's good. Anything for the self-employed/zero hours contract workers?

Talking about it now. Self-employed people can get universal credit? That doesn't sound spectacular.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 20, 2020, 18:24:33
It's a totally facile thing, but it annoys the hell out of me that as someone who has spent quite so much time in broadcasting, Johnson continues to whack the lectern next to his microphone.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, March 20, 2020, 18:31:33
I looked at the UC calculator last night.  It tells me I get nothing.  I presume its because I have a wife with a job and may have about £1k in the fucking bank in savings.

If this changes it and I get £92 a week, thats fucking pathetic.  They haven't thought about the self employed or those on zero hours at all.

We're an afterthought as usual.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, March 20, 2020, 19:02:21
Sax. As i'm aware (my Mum worked for DWP), the savings threshold is much higher than £1k. I'm sure it's around £15/16k.

Better news, they're lifting the cap on income. From Monday there will be no minimum income floor so you should be able to get it. It won't be lots granted.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, March 20, 2020, 19:24:24
Thanks.  I'll try again Monday.  I don't know why when I tried the UC calculator the other night it said I would get nothing.  My general impression is not positive at the moment and it seems the entire industry seems pretty pissed off.  I really don't know what to do beyond the next 2 months.

I cant dwell on it or Ill go mad.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bathford on Friday, March 20, 2020, 19:36:47
Not sure if its been posted on here, but Swindon sees its first death from Coronavirus.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18322461.coronavirus-first-swindon-death-confirmed/

Same here in Bath at The RUH.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Friday, March 20, 2020, 19:50:37
Not sure if its been posted on here, but Swindon sees its first death from Coronavirus.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18322461.coronavirus-first-swindon-death-confirmed/

There's 14 confirmed cases in swindon. So the adver is way behind.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, March 20, 2020, 20:39:44
Thanks.  I'll try again Monday.  I don't know why when I tried the UC calculator the other night it said I would get nothing.  My general impression is not positive at the moment and it seems the entire industry seems pretty pissed off.  I really don't know what to do beyond the next 2 months.

I cant dwell on it or Ill go mad.

It's likely the site might not have been updated. It might not yet, since there will be an all hands on deck approach. Maybe a separate website will or is being set up to deal and process these influx of new claims? I'm sure when I checked a while back the "UC" pages were all in Beta with a proviso to inform of any problems! So maybe they are putting another site in place. I don't know but it would seem sensible and logical to do so.

Please don't go mad. Being in a similar industry, albeit a different angle and not as established as yourself, I still understand and it will be difficult. My only saving grace is I hadn't made any financial commitments that would leave me exposed. I "think" I'm just about covered for a while but likely only until end of June.

Weetabix and Pitta breads for tea! Yay. Keep it real and certainly talk/vent id you need to.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chunkyhair on Friday, March 20, 2020, 21:25:33
My son just got home from work - drove past our local pub and said it was rammed! Really!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, March 20, 2020, 21:28:15
Here's the thing.  HMRC know how much I earn.  They have 15 years of my accounts at their fingertips.  Why not look at that and say, right you can get a grant up to 80pc of that like the employees?  Rather than temping me with a potential of £90 odd quid a week?  That would prove to me that they are taking the entirety of the workforce seriously.  Put caveats into it, if you don't return to your work you have to pay it back.  That makes sense to me.  I don't really believe they take self employed seriously and this is not helping.

Anyway, Im not going to go mad.  It's been an odd week.  I worked Monday.  Since then Ive been at home, kids have been home since Wednesday.  It just all feels very unreal at the moment.  We'll just have to see what happens.

As it stands Ive got some understanding clients who are paying some fees - 1 all fees for March and April and 1 all fees for March - and some invoices to come in.  I should be ok until June.  An no one knows what the situation will be by that point.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 20, 2020, 21:29:39
The rate for self employed is the same as SSP so will be £94.25 a week.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, March 20, 2020, 21:37:35
And yet some people are still talking about scaremongering and over-reaction  :suicide:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Friday, March 20, 2020, 21:41:40
Just went for a stroll. Observed pubs not rammed but many more than every night this week. Lots of young folk in who are apparently immune or hoping for an early inheritance.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Friday, March 20, 2020, 21:42:45
My son just got home from work - drove past our local pub and said it was rammed! Really!!!!!!!!
name the pub,, i'm thirsty :pint: :pint: :D


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Friday, March 20, 2020, 22:21:00
I fucking hate the Tories but fair play for that today. They did the right thing. You can't help everyone but that was impressive. We'll worry about the implications and aftermath later eh! Let's just keep alive for now.

I'm still staggered by people's complete lack of understanding and negligence about this issue though. Pubs are busy tonight and many don't have a grasp of the seriousness of the situation. Moaning pubs are to shut etc. We have many selfish idiots in this country of ours.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 20, 2020, 22:44:16
well, they will realise in a few weeks if we follow Italy :(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Friday, March 20, 2020, 23:02:40
I fucking hate the Tories but fair play for that today. They did the right thing. You can't help everyone but that was impressive. We'll worry about the implications and aftermath later eh! Let's just keep alive for now.

I'm still staggered by people's complete lack of understanding and negligence about this issue though. Pubs are busy tonight and many don't have a grasp of the seriousness of the situation. Moaning pubs are to shut etc. We have many selfish idiots in this country of ours.

Agree 100%. We must be older and wiser I guess


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 00:08:35
I fucking hate the Tories but fair play for that today. They did the right thing. You can't help everyone but that was impressive. We'll worry about the implications and aftermath later eh! Let's just keep alive for now.

I'm still staggered by people's complete lack of understanding and negligence about this issue though. Pubs are busy tonight and many don't have a grasp of the seriousness of the situation. Moaning pubs are to shut etc. We have many selfish idiots in this country of ours.

The people panic buying are worse. That has more of an impact. And no i am not trolling.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 00:40:12
Problem now coming with the panic buyers is they will be running low soon and the shelves are still empty. Guess who will be queuing up and causing mayhem when a delivery lorry or two pulls in.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 00:41:36
I'd add we are utterly stripped in the shops where i am. so that may not be the case everywhere.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 00:49:28
Limits seem to be in place now. Hopefully that will help. People are thick and selfish though.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 04:26:53
The people panic buying are worse. That has more of an impact. And no i am not trolling.

I wouldnít say anyone was trolling, these are unprecedented times.  On this, I agree.  Our WW2 relatives would be ashamed.  There are times in life where telling the govt to duck off is right, which is most of the time, now is not that time.   Ow is the time to listen and act out of an abundance of caution.  Have a pint or seven Sippo


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 07:24:30
Limits seem to be in place now. Hopefully that will help. People are thick and selfish though.

The problem is you can put limits on items but when family members split up in the queue what chance do we have


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 07:25:03
It amuses me that when gammons and pro Brexit types assert that people in this country did great things in the past and will do so again.  What this fails to recognise is that society has changed immeasurably and recent events show that a large section of the population are selfish twats who have no regard for others.  If certain historical events were replayed now with the current population, I am not sure that the results would be the same.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 08:21:15
Despicable opinion piece from the BBC. The opposite of whatís needed right now. Cites no evidence for his claim we could double ICU beds.

Feels like the influence of Cummings. Testing out public reaction. Sadly some of the greedy and selfish will believe sacrificing our old and vulnerable is a price worth paying to keep their own riches.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 08:58:30
Read it and weep. Literally.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-everyone-dies-alone-heartbreak-at-the-italian-hospital-on-the-brink-of-collapse-11961130


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 09:07:01
It amuses me that when gammons and pro Brexit types assert that people in this country did great things in the past and will do so again.  What this fails to recognise is that society has changed immeasurably and recent events show that a large section of the population are selfish twats who have no regard for others.  If certain historical events were replayed now with the current population, I am not sure that the results would be the same.

A bit like the young remainers ignoring advice on social gathering?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 09:09:00
I am not saying that selfishness is confined to the gammonati. It plainly applies across the board.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 09:10:20
Social distancing on the golf course today for me. No rakes in bunkers, no touching the flag, handshakes, have to do your own card and clubhouse closed. Home to my home bar for a skinful then errand running tomorrow. Stay safe folks...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 09:16:15
It amuses me that when gammons and pro Brexit types assert that people in this country did great things in the past and will do so again.  What this fails to recognise is that society has changed immeasurably and recent events show that a large section of the population are selfish twats who have no regard for others.  If certain historical events were replayed now with the current population, I am not sure that the results would be the same.


Thing weíve found a new word to get the soapy tit wank treatment


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 09:25:44
I still dont know what its supposed to mean


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 09:47:08
I am not saying that selfishness is confined to the gammonati. It plainly applies across the board.

Or even the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51984725


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 10:20:33
Quote from: suttonred
I still dont know what its supposed to mean

What 'gammon'? it's an angry middle aged man who goes red in anger at the thought of somebody younger doing something they don't like....

the counter attack to 'Snowflake' and 'millennials'.

'ok boomer' seems to be the dismissive form used to gammons. incorrectly most of the time, because baby boomers are between 56-76 years old. Bloody millennials.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:25:01
I wouldnít say anyone was trolling, these are unprecedented times.  On this, I agree.  Our WW2 relatives would be ashamed. 
Not this old trope again. The crime rate increased by over 50% in WWII, people would have panic bought but there was no internet to spread the panic as widely and quickly as there is now and rationing was introduced fairly early on. What you did have was hoarding and a thriving black market. So yes most people showed tremendous spirit, if only because they had no choice, but there were still plenty of the selfish minority (or possibly those who did have a good reason for hoarding or trying to get some dodgy eggs off a geezer) just as now.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:29:15
https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/police-and-ambulance-called-to-mass-brawl-outside-pub-in-central-swindon/

Sippo?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:30:43
A bit like the young remainers ignoring advice on social gathering?
I am not saying that selfishness is confined to the gammonati. It plainly applies across the board.
Really doesn't help categorising panic buyers as leavers and pub goers as remainers or vice versa. For one thing it's likely to be a load of bollocks and secondly it's needlessly divisive at a time when we need a feeling of solidarity and the collective good rather than sharpening existing divisions. And "gammon" is on a par with "n***er", just needlessy offensive, divisive and fuelled by hatred (and yes I understand it doesn't have the same historical weight etc etc, but it really doesn't put you in a good place using it).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:35:03
Really doesn't help categorising panic buyers as leavers and pub goers as remainers or vice versa. For one thing it's likely to be a load of bollocks and secondly it's needlessly divisive at a time when we need a feeling of solidarity and the collective good rather than sharpening existing divisions. And "gammon" is on a par with "n***er", just needlessy offensive, divisive and fuelled by hatred (and yes I understand it doesn't have the same historical weight etc etc, but it really doesn't put you in a good place using it).

Equating the word gammon to the n word is, frankly, laughable.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:37:25
What 'gammon'? it's an angry middle aged man who goes red in anger at the thought of somebody younger doing something they don't like....

the counter attack to 'Snowflake' and 'millennials'.

'ok boomer' seems to be the dismissive form used to gammons. incorrectly most of the time, because baby boomers are between 56-76 years old. Bloody millennials.
So, Iím a baby boomer. Never knew that.

As for gammon. Mmmmm, gammon!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:39:07
https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/police-and-ambulance-called-to-mass-brawl-outside-pub-in-central-swindon/

Sippo?

You lot told me I wasn't allowed to the pub so I didn't go.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:40:59
The offensive use of the word "gammon" relates to skin colour and particular race. It's racist.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:43:50
Equating the word gammon to the n word is, frankly, laughable.

Wasn't equating it, but it's on the same spectrum. Needlessly offensive, driven on anger, prejudice (as in pre-judging that you know what that person will be like based on your own assumptions), looking to lump a whole load of people in the same bucket so they can be dismissed/ignored/written off. It's use says more about the user than the target. You can be better than that.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:43:52
For anybody of the mindset that they will be OK, listen to this. According to this doctor, there could be only 1 ventilator to every 8 people that needs one in 2-3 weeks time in the UK. Young people are going to die as well. Young people ARE dying in Italy because they can't treat them. That could be you.

And if you're the kind of smart-arsed cunt that thinks it's clever and brave to say "If I die, I die" -  it might not be you. It might be a friend or a family member that YOU infected because you went out for a fucking pint. Was it fucking worth it? I have a family with 2 kids. I will be jolly well pissed off if I end up dead, leaving my family to fend for themselves because some selfish cretin chose to be irresponsible. 

Stop being selfish.

Stop being ignorant.

Stop being a cunt. (And I don't care if you are offended. People are LITERALLY dying because of idiots)

It is real. It is not something that might happen. It IS happening now and it will get worse, much worse.

Wake - the - fuck - up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0877mb2


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cookie on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:46:24
Well said. Stop being a cunt should be the national communication campaign. It could be reused for many times over once this is sorted.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:49:48
Well said. Stop being a cunt should be the national communication campaign. It could be reused for many times over once this is sorted.
It could be the new "Keep Calm and Carry on". Like the idea of National Trust gift shops selling "Stop Being a Cunt" tea towels


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:50:56
Wasn't equating it, but it's on the same spectrum. Needlessly offensive, driven on anger, prejudice (as in pre-judging that you know what that person will be like based on your own assumptions), looking to lump a whole load of people in the same bucket so they can be dismissed/ignored/written off. It's use says more about the user than the target. You can be better than that.

I am sorry to say that I don't think that you have saved yourself there. You were equating the two terms and that's rather sad.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:53:10
I am sorry to say that I don't think that you have saved yourself there. You were equating the two terms and that's rather sad.
Well I certainly didn't intend to. As I say I recognise the historical weight of the former term, which clearly brings a far greater weight with it. That doesn't make your use of a needlessly offensive term driven by anger any better. Let's agree to disagree eh?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:53:30
For anybody of the mindset that they will be OK, listen to this. According to this doctor, there could be only 1 ventilator to every 8 people that needs one in 2-3 weeks time in the UK. Young people are going to die as well. Young people ARE dying in Italy because they can't treat them. That could be you.

And if you're the kind of smart-arsed cunt that thinks it's clever and brave to say "If I die, I die" -  it might not be you. It might be a friend or a family member that YOU infected because you went out for a fucking pint. Was it fucking worth it? I have a family with 2 kids. I will be jolly well pissed off if I end up dead, leaving my family to fend for themselves because some selfish cretin chose to be irresponsible. 

Stop being selfish.

Stop being ignorant.

Stop being a cunt. (And I don't care if you are offended. People are LITERALLY dying because of idiots)

It is real. It is not something that might happen. It IS happening now and it will get worse, much worse.

Wake - the - fuck - up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0877mb2
Just quoting this because it's a very very good post and it got buried at the bottom of a page, don't want people to miss it in the middle of pointless reductive "gammon" arguments


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:53:50
This is all going the same way as the political thread I fear.

Few people have been absent from the forum recently, Reg and Legends Lounge the main ones. Hope everyone is ok despite the spats on here.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 12:00:38
Here's the thing.  HMRC know how much I earn.  They have 15 years of my accounts at their fingertips.  Why not look at that and say, right you can get a grant up to 80pc of that like the employees?  Rather than temping me with a potential of £90 odd quid a week?

Anyway, Im not going to go mad.  It's been an odd week.  I worked Monday.  Since then Ive been at home, kids have been home since Wednesday.  It just all feels very unreal at the moment.  We'll just have to see what happens.

May or may not help but if you do go down the UC/SSP route then you can get a the total amount advanced I believe. Again the amounts are not huge but it may help a tight patch.

Also not sure if you qualify but I found this and may be of interest to you. I think you might qualify tbh Sax. Worth a look

https://grants-search.turn2us.org.uk/grant/elizabeth-finn-fund-12777?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 12:05:51
Here's the thing.  HMRC know how much I earn.  They have 15 years of my accounts at their fingertips.  Why not look at that and say, right you can get a grant up to 80pc of that like the employees?  Rather than temping me with a potential of £90 odd quid a week?  That would prove to me that they are taking the entirety of the workforce seriously.  Put caveats into it, if you don't return to your work you have to pay it back.  That makes sense to me.  I don't really believe they take self employed seriously and this is not helping.

Anyway, Im not going to go mad.  It's been an odd week.  I worked Monday.  Since then Ive been at home, kids have been home since Wednesday.  It just all feels very unreal at the moment.  We'll just have to see what happens.

As it stands Ive got some understanding clients who are paying some fees - 1 all fees for March and April and 1 all fees for March - and some invoices to come in.  I should be ok until June.  An no one knows what the situation will be by that point.

I've seen posts on Facebook that supermarkets are looking for staff.

I know it's probably far from ideal, but if there's bills to be paid...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 12:37:16
Well I certainly didn't intend to. As I say I recognise the historical weight of the former term, which clearly brings a far greater weight with it. That doesn't make your use of a needlessly offensive term driven by anger any better. Let's agree to disagree eh?

No problem. I am not going to try change deep seated attitudes around race and related terminology.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 12:57:26
Just been out to try and get basics, must admit although many shelves are empty I was able to get bread, milk, fruit and vegetables as well as a fresh chicken and a pack of chops, although in both cases these were almost the last ones on the shelves,  A few day's ago I would have had no chance !!.   Have the panic buyers finally filled all of their cupboards ?,  hope this is the start of a little bit of sanity.  


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:11:00
Just been out to try and get basics, must admit although many shelves are empty I was able to get bread, milk, fruit and vegetables as well as a fresh chicken and a pack of chops, although in both cases these were almost the last ones on the shelves,  A few day's ago I would have had no chance !!.   Have the panic buyers finally filled all of their cupboards ?,  hope this is the start of a little bit of sanity. 

Same. We popped out to get onions and eggs, tried 3 supermarkets and a corner shop. Onions were literally the only vegetable left in any of the 3 shops and couldnít get eggs at all!

Hoping this nonsense might get back to some normality over the next few days.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:14:03
Surely the panic buyers must be stocked up before too long?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:17:13
Surely the panic buyers must be stocked up before too long?
Must be like an episode of 'Hoarders' in some people's homes !!.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:20:32
Same. We popped out to get onions and eggs, tried 3 supermarkets and a corner shop. Onions were literally the only vegetable left in any of the 3 shops and couldnít get eggs at all!

Hoping this nonsense might get back to some normality over the next few days.
Despite trying to self isolate due to being on the "at risk" list I had to go out and try to get some shopping and we have just 2 supermarkets one a Tesco and one a Lidl both similar sized.

Neither had any eggs, loo rolls, meat of any kind that is not frozen, even the frozen aisle was near empty. No dog food at all, no bread, no veg, no beers, wine, alcohol of any kind.

Fucking panic buying cunts need their balls ripped off with a rusty nail.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:23:22
you got any farm shops near you. just went to one and they had loads of most meaty things. not supermarket cheap though..

no black pudding mind


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:26:04
you got any farm shops near you. just went to one and they had loads of most meaty things. not supermarket cheap though..

no black pudding mind
Yes mate 2, tried them both, all out of everything.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:26:09
Despite trying to self isolate due to being on the "at risk" list I had to go out and try to get some shopping and we have just 2 supermarkets one a Tesco and one a Lidl both similar sized.

Neither had any eggs, loo rolls, meat of any kind that is not frozen, even the frozen aisle was near empty. No dog food at all, no bread, no veg, no beers, wine, alcohol of any kind.

Fucking panic buying cunts need their balls ripped off with a rusty nail.

Should we not be questioning why at this stage supermarkets havenít adjusted their stock ordering to ensure they are getting more than was previously ordered so as to ensure they can stock their shops twice or 3 times a day? Currently it seems the shops are stocked and everything gets bought up in the first few hours meaning people who canít get to shops first thing are left high and dry?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:26:33
Despite trying to self isolate due to being on the "at risk" list I had to go out and try to get some shopping and we have just 2 supermarkets one a Tesco and one a Lidl both similar sized.

Neither had any eggs, loo rolls, meat of any kind that is not frozen, even the frozen aisle was near empty. No dog food at all, no bread, no veg, no beers, wine, alcohol of any kind.

Fucking panic buying cunts need their balls ripped off with a rusty nail.
Slightly better than that up here PV, mind you I did go at 8.30 this morning,  shops are probably empty now, alcohol is obviously going to be the next thing we can't get hold of,  feel a bit for you not being able to get dog food,  what the hell are you going to put in your shepherd's pie now ?.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:27:42
We aren't at panic stations just yet but in 2 days time we may be! we have a couple of family members that can help out, will have to drive a bit further for stuff then.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:28:14
Should we not be questioning why at this stage supermarkets havenít adjusted their stock ordering to ensure they are getting more than was previously ordered so as to ensure they can stock their shops twice or 3 times a day? Currently it seems the shops are stocked and everything gets bought up in the first few hours meaning people who canít get to shops first thing are left high and dry?
Probably because suppliers cannot keep up with demand.  


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:28:32
feel a bit for you not being able to get dog food,  what the hell are you going to put in your shepherd's pie now ?.
The dogs at this rate!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:30:00
Despite trying to self isolate due to being on the "at risk" list I had to go out and try to get some shopping and we have just 2 supermarkets one a Tesco and one a Lidl both similar sized.

Neither had any eggs, loo rolls, meat of any kind that is not frozen, even the frozen aisle was near empty. No dog food at all, no bread, no veg, no beers, wine, alcohol of any kind.

Fucking panic buying cunts need their balls ripped off with a rusty nail.

Now you'll understand my Facebook post (if you have seen it).

Have you tried a local butchers/grocers etc. I hope you're doing alright JJ. You shouldn't have to be going out to get your food.

Let's see if there's a local "Courier Angel" (not a fan of the term tbh) in your area. They've been popping up all over and doing great stuff. There are some people doing good and selfless acts of kindness. They'll be more than happy to get you your list of essentials etc.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:30:06
The dogs at this rate!
:dog: :dog: :dog:


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:33:48
muscle foods mate. mail order delivered chilled ready to freeze

https://www.musclefood.com/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: brocklesby red on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:35:06
A friend I was talking to earlier mentioned that some of the stuff stripped from supermarket shelves was ending up on EBay etc. Just had a look and you can buy brand new loo rolls at 75-99p. I suppose when weíre desperate we might consider used ones. Must be all those twats who canít bulk buy concert tickets now so theyíve moved into groceries.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:36:23
Now you'll understand my Facebook post (if you have seen it).

Have you tried a local butchers/grocers etc. I hope you're doing alright JJ. You shouldn't have to be going out to get your food.

Let's see if there's a local "Courier Angel" (not a fan of the term tbh) in your area. They've been popping up all over and doing great stuff. There are some people doing good and selfless acts of kindness. They'll be more than happy to get you your list of essentials etc.
Not starting to worry too much as we have a couple of days food, we can still get a few veggies so not as bad as some I guess, we are practically veggie at the moment anyway but as far as I know there is nothing even remotely like the "courier angel" operating down here, we have a tesco delivery coming Tuesday but half of that is already "out of stock".

I just truly wonder why people start to panic buy anything, there is alwaysenough for everyone at the start, now its created so many problems for suppliers, shops and customers.

Its just fucking frustrating...at the moment....amber warning bulb not quite ready to be changed to red bulb just yet but its days away now.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:41:08
Did an order with Parsleybox the other day, seen an ad in a magazine,   got 10 meals and two free 175ml bottles of wine for just 19.99,  meals are not frozen,  they can be stored in a cupboard for up to 6 months, only takes 2 minutes in the microwave but can also be heated in the oven.
Delivery is free and, believe it or not,  delivered next day.   Have only used one meal so far,  have had a lot worse !!, not massive meals but okay for me.Think the offer code was DMW33 or DMW333 if anyone is interested.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:42:29
A friend I was talking to earlier mentioned that some of the stuff stripped from supermarket shelves was ending up on EBay etc. Just had a look and you can buy brand new loo rolls at 75-99p. I suppose when weíre desperate we might consider used ones. Must be all those twats who canít bulk buy concert tickets now so theyíve moved into groceries.
Can supply second hand ones at 50p.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:42:55
Been going to local small  breweries to buy beer. Keeping distance and they are super clean. Got loads as their usual custom has dried up. They are desperate for cash. Doesn't help with bog roll but might help keep lubricated.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 13:51:37
Haven't been shopping since Weds so may be out of date but it wasn't too bad here in Reading, certainly compared to experiences of others. Number of empty or near empty shelves with no toilet rolls/medicine/eggs/flour etc. but still plenty of food if you were happy to adjust your diet to what is available.  Nothing like the "stripped bare" experiences elsewhere.

Think it will take a while before it dies down.  Supermarkets starting to reduce their product range will help.

Got to wonder how much of the hoarded food will never get used.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 14:06:23
My chest freezer packed up a couple of weeks ago, superb timing.
Wasnt in a position to replace it, now I am there arent any  :crash:
All the average size ones sold out everywhere, that's where all the stockpiling is going.
At least someone is making some money.

Tesco's are doing an NHS only hour tomorrow at 9 before store opens, need NHS ID, depends if they have anyone on the door checking or the usual free for all.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 14:11:03
I did a shift in food retail this morning, I've not done one for years but was helping out a mate. I walked there and back to avoid public transport.

The walk back was terrifying. There are so, so many people outside. I get it's quite a nice day but people seem to think being outside is a magic immunity - there are large groups, people stopping to chat, playing games all sorts. I know some will be getting essentials from the shops and some are exercising alone and I'm not castigating everyone, but it's terrifying how blase people seem to be about this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 14:33:57
Oh and Arkells are doing beer deliveries thru their https://www.grapeandgrainwarehouse.co.uk/shop.htm
If you like that sort of thing


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 14:51:44
Best give Arkells a miss if you are running low on bog roll  ;)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 14:58:59
Haven't been shopping since Weds so may be out of date but it wasn't too bad here in Reading, certainly compared to experiences of others. Number of empty or near empty shelves with no toilet rolls/medicine/eggs/flour etc. but still plenty of food if you were happy to adjust your diet to what is available.  Nothing like the "stripped bare" experiences elsewhere.

Think it will take a while before it dies down.  Supermarkets starting to reduce their product range will help.

Got to wonder how much of the hoarded food will never get used.
Just got back from my local Morrisons (Clacton-On-Sea) and had pretty much the same experience. It's important to record the relatively positive experiences as well as the 'horror stories'...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 15:29:41
I went to the big Asda this morning and kid you not was in a queue of 400/500 and it reminded me of previous years queuing up for play off final ticket sales 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 15:48:28
Mrs now has a persistent cough and tight chest so now we are self isolating. Am i right in thinking one week for her, and two weeks for me?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 15:49:41
Mrs now has a persistent cough and tight chest so now we are self isolating. Am i right in thinking one week for her, and two weeks for me?

Yep, as long as she's recovered after 7 days obviously: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 16:13:08
just been out to Millets Farm near Standlake, the farm shop had loads of meat eggs etc, on the way back stopped off at the Co Op in Southmoor to replenish supplies of San Miguel, a very chilled afternoons shop with no dross to be seen :pint:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 16:58:42
Mrs now has a persistent cough and tight chest so now we are self isolating. Am i right in thinking one week for her, and two weeks for me?

Good luck.  Expect we're all going to be doing this at some point.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 17:04:13
Just got back from my local Morrisons (Clacton-On-Sea) and had pretty much the same experience. It's important to record the relatively positive experiences as well as the 'horror stories'...
You are very lucky mate, obviously either better supply chain to there than down here in Somerset or you have less panic buying idiots.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 17:06:16
Does the ban on pubs also apply to places of worship?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 17:48:50
Does the ban on pubs also apply to places of worship?
Yep. CofE announced this a few days ago


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 17:52:38
Quote from: Valid Pint
Does the ban on pubs also apply to places of worship?

God has had 2000 years practice at this self isolation lark


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 17:54:49
Quote from: tans
Mrs now has a persistent cough and tight chest so now we are self isolating. Am i right in thinking one week for her, and two weeks for me?

hope she recovers soon mate.

I guess it could be anything, but you know the score of it it doesn't get better within 7 days/deteriorates- 111


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 17:56:49
has the daily Boris briefing been cancelled for today?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 17:58:41
Quote from: singingiiiffy
has the daily Boris briefing been cancelled for today?

it was about 1:30, without Boris


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 18:03:27
Hundreds of UK mosques remain open for Jumuíah despite closure calls https://5pillarsuk.com/2020/03/20/hundreds-of-uk-mosques-remain-open-for-jumuah-despite-closure-calls/ via
@5Pillarsuk
are they immune  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 18:13:41
Does the ban on pubs also apply to places of worship?
Why,  are you going to pray for a beer ?. :pint: :pint:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 18:14:37
"One mosque in Manchester, Jameah Masjid E Noor, even announced a special Jamaíah for the over 50s."

Fucking hell.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 18:17:49
it was about 1:30, without Boris

Trump's is live now though.  Forgetting his blather, the public health officials are interesting to listen to and don't seem to bullshit.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 18:26:24
hope she recovers soon mate.

I guess it could be anything, but you know the score of it it doesn't get better within 7 days/deteriorates- 111

Shes alright in herself, she even said if we didnt have the advice to stay at home etc, sheíd be carrying on as normal. Hopefully just a cold or something, but as you say, you cant be too sure.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 18:32:36
Shes alright in herself, she even said if we didnt have the advice to stay at home etc, sheíd be carrying on as normal. Hopefully just a cold or something, but as you say, you cant be too sure.

If she does have it (and she's OK), she might be fortunate in a sense. She'll probably be immune so that's one less thing she'll have to worry about. This shit has barely even started yet.

Hoping she will be OK mate.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 18:41:46
it was about 1:30, without Boris
He doesn't work weekends


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 19:15:04
You are very lucky mate, obviously either better supply chain to there than down here in Somerset or you have less panic buying idiots.
Seems like it... ultimately though the shelves are going to keep getting refilled... there's a limit to how long the panic buying idiots can keep it up for.... isn't there?🤔


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 19:27:27
Yep. CofE announced this a few days ago
I just walked by some kind of Christian  church which had a notice at the entrance saying that services had be cancelled, but people were welcome to wander in & visit


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 19:47:02
Quote from: woolster
Hundreds of UK mosques remain open for Jumuíah despite closure calls https://5pillarsuk.com/2020/03/20/hundreds-of-uk-mosques-remain-open-for-jumuah-despite-closure-calls/ (https://5pillarsuk.com/2020/03/20/hundreds-of-uk-mosques-remain-open-for-jumuah-despite-closure-calls/) via
@5Pillarsuk
are they immune  :hmmm:

wtf.

retards


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 20:21:01
We live right in a town centre and although itís quieter than normal, thereís loads of obliviots going about their normal routine without a care on the world.

Had a few nice cars drive past today (weíve been working out the front of our house all day) and it suddenly dawned upon me itíd be a great time to go out in my car and drive like a cock on some driving roads -  maybe north wales and the like.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 20:44:40
I walked from Hayden wick to wroughton earlier, down the old train line and cycle paths. Probably passed about 50 people over two hours?? Where does that fit on the social isolation scale?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 20:46:52
Life appears to appears to have changed very little in a number of town centres.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:23:06
Just saw a glimpse of the future.  This is what the TEF will look like when JBZ is the only Town fan left Ö  :(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:24:23
Just achieved my goal as being the last poster on every topic


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:28:56
Looking to break the Pauld, flashheart  and Horlock monopoly


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:30:30
I don't remember seeing this dude post before and now he's like a bad fart


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:31:18
And smells like one


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:38:55
I walked from hhHayden wick to wroughton earlier, down the old train line and cycle paths. Probably passed about 50 people over two hours?? Where does that fit on the social isolation scale?
Its Haydon Wick, now known as the parish to some.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:42:42
Might be calling into calne tomorrow. I hope that all is ok there


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:55:33
Is your surname Zebedee?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 21:57:02
No link to the ford franchise


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 22:24:20
Its Haydon Wick, now known as the parish to some.

That's a fair old walk and quite a boring stretch between sparcells and Westmead


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 22:43:07
https://twitter.com/i/status/1241469076435804160  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 22:57:29
Christ, did I hear that right ?,  800 dead in one day in Italy ?,  think some people still don't understand how serious this is.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 23:17:43
1100 dead today in spain and italy


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 23:22:47
Those numbers are coming to Britain next week, or the week after. And they will get so much worse.

The numbers in Thailand are 'low' but still following an exponential pattern. We (Thailand) might be a 7-10 days behind Britain but it is coming.

I think that a lot of people do not understand what that means.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 21, 2020, 23:58:13
the modelling is very scary. And yes there is a point about 'how many would die anyway'...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 00:12:38
the modelling is very scary. And yes there is a point about 'how many would die anyway'...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

I would think that government statisticians (the ONS?) should be able to ascertain the extent of the overlap described in the article fairly quickly.  It should be relatively easy to spot a trend - for example, comparing the number of Mar 2019 deaths with the number of Mar 2020 deaths (when the data becomes available in a week or two).  You should then be able to get a better idea of the number of 'additional' deaths.

Feels a bit cold & clinical to be discussing people's lives in such a statistical way, but it's important to understand this kind of thing as quickly as possible.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 00:16:38
Based on what we understand now, if me and my wife get covid and get through it, and my friend and his wife the same, are we both safe(ish) to hang out together at one of our houses?? I assume yes??

Thinking, rather selfishly, of summer birthday/bbqs. Are we going to end up in a situation where we have covid survivor only gatherings?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 00:18:41
And if thereís some kind of antibody test, will we end up with a situation in 3-4 months where establishments can open but you have to show proof before entering

Weird ennit


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 00:23:35
And if thereís some kind of antibody test, will we end up with a situation in 3-4 months where establishments can open but you have to show proof before entering

Weird ennit

That's a really interesting thought.  But I think there's a big question mark still over whether catching & then recovering provides immunity in future.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 00:32:12
Oh yeah, itís all unknown. But if there was a way of Ďproofí I could see it being used as a way to start opening up places again in the future. That, or the plot device of a terrible film


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 00:54:36
I went to the supermarket today to get some essential beer. It was an improved experience. People still getting too close to me for my liking,  but I have always thought that even before the coronavirus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 01:45:28
This bit from the BBC link is important

ĎAs we get deeper into this crisis, we will need much greater intelligence on just how many lives are truly being saved, and compare that to the wider cost to society, so the government and the public can weigh up the best course of action.í


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 08:14:17
A work mates sister in law and son died last night of corona. Starting to get too close to home here.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 08:43:06
The missusí employer, who Iíve said before on here are utter scum, are expecting their staff to continue working.

Theyíve split the staff down the middle and have sent half home for 2 weeks, while the other half work. After 2 weeks they swap.

Where does proving catering to the 300 remaining essential staff (in the banking sector) fall under restaurant closures? Can they not bring a fucking packed lunch? I donít want her there and sheís got anxiety about it.

A work mates sister in law and son died last night of corona. Starting to get too close to home here.

Shit. How old were they if you donít mind me asking?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 10:19:54
Dominic Cummings is a nasty piece of work.

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1241637163076333568?s=21


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 10:24:48
I went to the supermarket today to get some essential beer. It was an improved experience. People still getting too close to me for my liking,  but I have always thought that even before the coronavirus.

You can be 2 meters apart but if the trollies and baskets aren't sanitised what chance we got


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 10:32:39
You can be 2 meters apart but if the trollies and baskets aren't sanitised what chance we got

You donít catch it by touch alone. You catch it by touching then touching your nose, mouth, eyes. If your anti bac/wash your hands after your visit then you remove that direct issue?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:20:20
Dominic Cummings is a nasty piece of work.

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1241637163076333568?s=21

The link is from the Sunday Times.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETs5PmMUYAAJDIL?format=jpg&name=medium)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:25:04
You donít catch it by touch alone. You catch it by touching then touching your nose, mouth, eyes. If your anti bac/wash your hands after your visit then you remove that direct issue?


How long does anti bacterial last when your constantly touching things in supermarkets and it's so easy to forget not to scratch an itch newr your eye or face or even blow your nose


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:28:04
The link is from the Sunday Times.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETs5PmMUYAAJDIL?format=jpg&name=medium)

TBH a lot of people think this still.

As least Iím seeing less comparisons to the flu now, slowly the truth is sinking in


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:33:50
Shines a light on what happens when you trust the levers of government to 'wonks & weirdos'.  The great irony here is that, a few months back, pensioners were one of the demographics most likely to be cheering Cummings from the rafters.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:44:12
TBH a lot of people think this still.

As least Iím seeing less comparisons to the flu now, slowly the truth is sinking in

Word is that GSK corporate warrior Vallance is aligned with Cummings.

The marginalised Chris Whitty (CMO) advocated early lockdown measures to contain Ebola in an article only 2 years ago.

The UK with the advantage of data from those areas in the vanguard of the pandemic ignored WHO advice, pursuing its own strategy, based on its own Ďscienceí. PR is fielded by lackey Hancock & co who continue to lie constantly. ďIn touch with supermarketsĒ PPE and ventilator empty promises.

I despair.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:57:17
ebola is massively worse than this. not surprised he recommended lockdown


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 12:26:06
Due to attend a funeral this week.
No masses, so it will be a graveside service, immediate family and close friends only.
Weddings can be cancelled but people still have to be laid to rest, for the time being anyway.

Not sure if people who are passing away in care homes are being tested post mortem?
I suspect not, so the numbers of deaths from the virus might be higher than the official figures.
If this gets anywhere near as bad as Italy or now Spain then it will be carnage in care homes.
The workers in that sector have a big responsibility but I donít think that they are classed as key workers.

Is caring for the elderly an ďessential public serviceĒ?
Doesnít look as if Dominic Cummings thinks it is.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 12:56:08
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3076323/third-coronavirus-cases-may-be-silent-carriers-classified


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 13:05:00
If thereís about 50k cases confirmed in the UK, and boldly assume three times that are infected but havenít been tested, then 99.8% of the population arenít infected

The government have pretty much already committed to paying everyone (I know thereís holes in this. Donít @ me), and bailing out businesses

Supermarkets have said thereís plenty of food to go round

Why donít they just invoke what they did in China for a month?? £1,000 fines for people outside without valid reason, co-opt resources to increase home deliveries of groceries etc

Surely that will ensure incredibly minimal continual spread of the virus, without increasing government spend beyond what theyíve already committed too?? Then after a month you slowly open up places again (maybe halving max capacity) and strict restrictions on new people into the country (temperature checks and quarantines)

What problems are there with that, other than it being a really shit month


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 13:39:02
Due to attend a funeral this week.
No masses, so it will be a graveside service, immediate family and close friends only.
Weddings can be cancelled but people still have to be laid to rest, for the time being anyway.

Not sure if people who are passing away in care homes are being tested post mortem?
I suspect not, so the numbers of deaths from the virus might be higher than the official figures.
If this gets anywhere near as bad as Italy or now Spain then it will be carnage in care homes.
The workers in that sector have a big responsibility but I donít think that they are classed as key workers.

Is caring for the elderly an ďessential public serviceĒ?
Doesnít look as if Dominic Cummings thinks it is.


I was due to go to a funeral wednesday but thats been cancelled, well attendance has.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:00:29

Why donít they just invoke what they did in China for a month?? £1,000 fines for people outside without valid reason, co-opt resources to increase home deliveries of groceries etc

Surely that will ensure incredibly minimal continual spread of the virus, without increasing government spend beyond what theyíve already committed too?? Then after a month you slowly open up places again (maybe halving max capacity) and strict restrictions on new people into the country (temperature checks and quarantines)

What problems are there with that, other than it being a really shit month

This 100%,  but there will still be dickheads walking the streets.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:11:56
I had a look at jobs last night and people in my field don't appear to be expecting a slow down, which is reassuring. I know that could change, but still...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:33:07
The island is in lockdown. No reported cases. No incomers allowed.

Give it a week or 2 and open up again for the locals!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:33:20

How long does anti bacterial last when your constantly touching things in supermarkets and it's so easy to forget not to scratch an itch newr your eye or face or even blow your nose

Wear gloves


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:36:28
Wear gloves

Surgical type if you can


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:37:20
Wear gloves

But still on the gloves!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:38:54
But still on the gloves!
Wash gloves. Or wear disposables if you want to rock some of that "Hey I'm frontline" cool. This isn't hard


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:45:50
Wash gloves. Or wear disposables if you want to rock some of that "Hey I'm frontline" cool. This isn't hard

You're missing the point if there's particles of microscopic virus on trollies and baskets etc you can still cross contaminate even wearing gloves


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:48:45
You're missing the point if there's particles of microscopic virus on trollies and baskets etc you can still cross contaminate even wearing gloves
I know that. But you do what you can. It's all about reducing risk. So ideally, the best way of reducing risk is not going to the supermarket in the first place. But if you have to, you do what you can to reduce risk. And then obviously as soon as you get in, wash your hands, burn your clothes and lock yourself in the cellar for a week :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:50:49
I know that. But you do what you can. It's all about reducing risk. So ideally, the best way of reducing risk is not going to the supermarket in the first place. But if you have to, you do what you can to reduce risk. And then obviously as soon as you get in, wash your hands, burn your clothes and lock yourself in the cellar for a week :)

Now that is hardcore🙄


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 15:07:41
Moronic family who live opposite us have their oap mum round. They're the only fuckers I have nothing to do with in my street and this confirms them as the cunts they are to me.
Look down their noses at everyone and this sums them up.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 15:30:11
ebola is massively worse than this. not surprised he recommended lockdown

Prof. Whitty concluded that the international response to the Ebola epidemic was not decisive and too slow. Many agreed.

Ebola is not a highly infectious airborne transmitter like CV. CV loves a crowd.

Cheltenham, Bath half and Stereophonics concerts et al all went ahead with the knowledge that CV was already on the island, amongst us.

The Govt response has been anything but quick or decisive, but apparently based on 'science'. Not the science of Prof. Whitty is all I'm suggesting.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 15:36:17
Moronic family who live opposite us have their oap mum round. They're the only fuckers I have nothing to do with in my street and this confirms them as the cunts they are to me.
Look down their noses at everyone and this sums them up.

Same here. The family you knew would be stupid enough to see their grandparents have just had BOTH sets of elderly grandparents around, and one lady could hardly walk. What is wrong with these people?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 15:41:13
Same here. The family you knew would be stupid enough to see their grandparents have just had BOTH sets of elderly grandparents around, and one lady could hardly walk. What is wrong with these people?

They're selfish idiots. This is why the government have to make everything an order if we're going to stamp this out


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 15:52:17
They're selfish idiots. This is why the government have to make everything an order if we're going to stamp this out

The govt have tried to go down the softly softly approach and provide advice for people but there are too many blasť people that think that they are either superhuman and not going to get sick or are completely oblivious to the fact that they can actually spread the virus to people that are actually going to fucking DIE from this.

I think itís time for the Govt to really get hard and harsh with people. In 2 weeks the reality is really going to kick in, and HARD.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 15:57:10
So here in spain our lockdown has been extended for an extra 15 days. This surprised no one. Nearly 400 dead yesterday and another 3000 infected and we have been on arguably alongside China the tightest restrictions in the world.

If you are caught on the streets without a legitimate reason fines start at Ä600 going up to Ä30,000
Caught twice - 3 months in jail.

In Malaga province 33,000 fined last week

I live in a village in the mountains- think the size of cricklade- we are now not being able to leave the village. My friend went to do her shopping down the mountain to an Aldi and was stopped and was told to use the small express store in the village.

We are so hoping these figures start to slow.

Last Sunday we had 4,000 infected. So 22,000 in a week. The uk currently has 5,000. Thatís how quick this can escalate and thatís with a quarantine


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 16:21:29
Are you able to walk dogs or anything mex??


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 16:42:21
50m from your house once a day.

No outdoor exercise either


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 18:23:09
Fucking hell:

https://twitter.com/joseph_hoar/status/1241505529912070144

(TLDR: Paramedic working for SW Ambulance evicted by his landlady because she's scared he'll bring cv into the house. Fortunately now sorted for accommodation but FFS!)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 18:27:20
I don't think this has been posted elsewhere and I make no apologies if it has because fuck me you have to listen to this from some one on the front line...powerful stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQD4B_hmdvo



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 19:43:54
Just had to send a difficult email to our sons private tutor. I imagine his work has fallen off a cliff for now with all his GCSE & A level students rendering his services useless. Lovely bloke and a joy to have him in our house to help the lad. So if anyone needs a maths tutor in the future for their child I can pass on a solid recommendation.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 19:52:21
Just had to send a difficult email to our sons private tutor. I imagine his work has fallen off a cliff for now with all his GCSE & A level students rendering his services useless. Lovely bloke and a joy to have him in our house to help the lad. So if anyone needs a maths tutor in the future for their child I can pass on a solid recommendation.

It's a sad, real life story that will be repeated a million times over all over the country.  You have to feel for every one of them.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 19:55:59
So here in spain our lockdown has been extended for an extra 15 days. This surprised no one. Nearly 400 dead yesterday and another 3000 infected and we have been on arguably alongside China the tightest restrictions in the world.

If you are caught on the streets without a legitimate reason fines start at Ä600 going up to Ä30,000
Caught twice - 3 months in jail.

In Malaga province 33,000 fined last week

I live in a village in the mountains- think the size of cricklade- we are now not being able to leave the village. My friend went to do her shopping down the mountain to an Aldi and was stopped and was told to use the small express store in the village.

We are so hoping these figures start to slow.

Last Sunday we had 4,000 infected. So 22,000 in a week. The uk currently has 5,000. Thatís how quick this can escalate and thatís with a quarantine

Thanks for sharing how life is for you and really hope things improve for everyone soon. Can you please tell me if factories are working as I work in manufacturing and still no sign they want to shut us down


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 19:56:26
 on the news, Southend and Western Super Mare beaches packed today  


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 19:59:36
on the news, Southend and Western Super Mare beaches packed today  

Check the daily mail online so was Brighton & Bournemouth seafront


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 20:23:40
I don't think this has been posted elsewhere and I make no apologies if it has because fuck me you have to listen to this from some one on the front line...powerful stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQD4B_hmdvo



That's chilling.

They're already at capacity - and this thing's barely even started.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 20:28:16
The social distancing and pub closure measures implemented on Friday only came about because of pressure from the French according to this story in the Telegraph (also carried in the Mail, Mirror and Times). So he only eventually did the right thing under pressure from the French.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/22/emmanuel-macron-threatened-close-uk-border-unless-pm-clamped/

Reuters version as Telegraph is behind a paywall
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-macron/frances-macron-threatened-uk-entry-ban-without-more-stringent-measures-report-idUSKBN218133


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 21:35:13
Well, Greece is in total lockdown now. Canít go out unless you get a code from the authorities after filling in a form stating the purpose of your trip.

Also, thinking of banning over 65s from going out - period. Iím 65 in 3 weeks time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 21:40:50
Coronavirus: Plea for restraint as rural areas inundated with visitors escaping COVID-19  https://news.sky.com/story/cornavirus-britains-rural-towns-warn-dont-come-here-to-escape-covid-19-11961697
Oh Dear


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 22:09:38
Coronavirus: Plea for restraint as rural areas inundated with visitors escaping COVID-19  https://news.sky.com/story/cornavirus-britains-rural-towns-warn-dont-come-here-to-escape-covid-19-11961697
Oh Dear

Yeah, saw the Scottish turned away around 30 camper van's from the Nevis area in Fort William hoping to ride it out.
Twas on twitter and the replies from the Scots weren't exactly pleasant, Nationalistic much.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 22:09:58
All McDonalds closing totally until further notice


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 22:15:11
All McDonalds closing totally until further notice


Crazy we're still letting them in

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8139529/Flights-Italy-Iran-China-landing-Britain-despite-UK-coronavirus-lockdown.html


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 22:39:36
https://twitter.com/bradleyjej/status/1241276670822305792/photo/1 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 23:32:37
Coronavirus: Plea for restraint as rural areas inundated with visitors escaping COVID-19  https://news.sky.com/story/cornavirus-britains-rural-towns-warn-dont-come-here-to-escape-covid-19-11961697
Oh Dear

the cotswold water park is full of londoners in their 2nd homes at the lower mill estate etc.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 22, 2020, 23:38:07
36 year old nurse with no underlying health issues in intensive care on ventilator in Walsall.
This could potentially wipe many of us out.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 00:03:34

Crazy we're still letting them in

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8139529/Flights-Italy-Iran-China-landing-Britain-despite-UK-coronavirus-lockdown.html

Ffs that's ridiculous.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirky69 on Monday, March 23, 2020, 02:39:40
Me and the missus have been self isolating for a week with mild flu like symptoms including persistent dry cough, temperature etc. Having felt slightly better yesterday, we have both gpne downhill a bit today. Sure we will be fine, but worrying none the less, particularly as I have an elderly mum with cancer, who for obvious reasons we have not seen over this period and wont be for a while yet as she will be one of the 1.5m in the highly vulnerable category. Does make you think about how precious life is and a reminder not to sweat the small stuff when things are going well.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 08:37:37
oh no kirky, if you feel up to it can can you check in regularly (daily?).

good without saying I hope you both get stronger soon


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 08:38:01
Quote from: Arriba
36 year old nurse with no underlying health issues in intensive care on ventilator in Walsall.
This could potentially wipe many of us out.
that's scared the shit out of me


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, March 23, 2020, 08:42:30
The missusí employer, who Iíve said before on here are utter scum, are expecting their staff to continue working.

Theyíve split the staff down the middle and have sent half home for 2 weeks, while the other half work. After 2 weeks they swap.

Where does proving catering to the 300 remaining essential staff (in the banking sector) fall under restaurant closures? Can they not bring a fucking packed lunch? I donít want her there and sheís got anxiety about it.

Right, this is now completely fucking mental. Off the fucking scale stupid. The people in ISS, who my missus works for, are like the idiots in parks and Snowdon. (She works in a restaurant And is expected to work, in case you donít read above.)

  • Few of the staff are self-isolating - many are dicks who think itís pointless
  • The bosses (who are self isolating and remote) are giving orders
  • The staff on my missusís site are expected to cover for staffing shortages at other sites. They get there driven in a small minibus with the driver whoís a manager and thinks Corona Virus is a big joke and hasnít changed anything in his life
  • Some of them are going to other sites today and ďhanding outĒ yes, fucking handing out, free sandwiches - theyíve been told to do this. Theyíre not dropping them off, but going to their sites specifically to do this face to face
  • On my Missus site, to encourage people to the restaurants, the food is now free. Theyíve been told everyone has to hand it out
  • On top of this there are self-serve coffee machines and fridges with food in, more contact points than you can shake a stick at

THIS IS FUCKING INSANE - HOW IS THIS ALLOWED?!

Why should the bosses be deciding to jeopardise her (and the others staffís) health while they do fuck all? Is there anything she can do about this? Itís literally making her sick with anxiety.



Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 08:50:51
that's fucking stupid Barry, off the scale stupid.

it's quite clear, if you aren't from the game family - stay 2m apart.

irresponsible in the extreme and could be fatal.

I dunno what to say/suggest


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 08:53:53
is this them? quite happy to post something anonymously throuh Twitter if you like.

https://www.issworld.com/our-services/catering (https://www.issworld.com/our-services/catering)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:01:20
One of my colleagues highlighted to our boss how fatally flawed the plan for working was, so she wrote a safer alternative plan and sent it to him. Fully adapted the same day - sounds like your better half may be onto a loser with her bosses but could be an idea?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:06:38
that's fucking stupid Barry, off the scale stupid.

it's quite clear, if you aren't from the game family - stay 2m apart.

irresponsible in the extreme and could be fatal.

I dunno what to say/suggest

I know. Iím fucking seething. Sheís a nice person and doesnít tend to really rattle cages sadly.

They never sack anyone, so Iíve said she should tell them to do one as Iím sure f they manage to sack her, sheíd get them for constructive dismissal as they donít have a say in hers (and my) health.

is this them? quite happy to post something anonymously throuh Twitter if you like.

https://www.issworld.com/our-services/catering (https://www.issworld.com/our-services/catering)

Thatíd be good, thanks. Itís facilities management for a huge multinational as well, so Iím sure theyíre receptive to negative shit (the multinational - ISS couldnít give a fuck about anyone). Iím going to try and find people to speak to - police? Environmental health? Council? Local MP?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:08:31
One of my colleagues highlighted to our boss how fatally flawed the plan for working was, so she wrote a safer alternative plan and sent it to him. Fully adapted the same day - sounds like your better half may be onto a loser with her bosses but could be an idea?

Good idea, thanks. But sadly theyíre utter cunts where she works. She sent a series of emails to a boss and to this day sheís not even had an acknowledgement. Most emails from the higher ups and HR have always been canned responses. The company cares about nobody. At all.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:12:33
36 year old nurse with no underlying health issues in intensive care on ventilator in Walsall.
This could potentially wipe many of us out.

The 34 year old Chinese Doctor, the whistleblower, urged colleagues to wear PPE on 30th December.

Early Feb he died, reported widely. This should have been a big feck orf red flag to the world.

Late March UK doctors say theyíre Ďlambs to slaughterí, Matt Handcock Ďhears themí and now trying to sort out distribution.

 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:18:36
New Zealand going into total lockdown for a month, and they have only had 100 cases.

Thats the way to do it


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:22:50
The nuclear option would simply be to tell them where to stick the job, and to stay at home.  Alternatively, why not just say your wife has a runny nose, so staying home as a precaution?  Publicise the stupidity, certainly.  If 3 or 4 others do the same, surely they'll be forced to shut down?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:26:39
@barry - that is the right company in the previous post right?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:35:20
The nuclear option would simply be to tell them where to stick the job, and to stay at home.  Alternatively, why not just say your wife has a runny nose, so staying home as a precaution?  Publicise the stupidity, certainly.  If 3 or 4 others do the same, surely they'll be forced to shut down?

In the eyes of the NHS* I could be considered vulnerable - flu jab eligible, so weíre debating playing that card and saying I should be protected.

@barry - that is the right company in the previous post right?

Sorry, yes, thanks.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:52:36

 
Until travelling on the Avocet Line I was ignorant to the fact that St James' Park train station is so utterly convenient for the football ground.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:54:47
Does anyone think we'll go into lockdown?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:58:59
cheers Barry


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 09:59:24
Quote from: 4D
Does anyone think we'll go into lockdown?

yes. people can't do as they're asked


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:04:24
Yep, by tomorrow at the latest I think.

Boris basically gave a last warning yesterday, behave or you will be punished


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:14:50
There was a report on the local news this morning saying that some ambulances in Kent had been vandalised (we're getting joint London and South East News at the moment) overnight.

You can always rely on the people of this country to raise the absolute fucking stupidity stakes.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:16:52
There was a report on the local news this morning saying that some ambulances in Kent had been vandalised (we're getting joint London and South East News at the moment) overnight.

You can always rely on the people of this country to raise the absolute fucking stupidity stakes.

6 ambulances apparently.
In a separate incident Kent police had a car damaged too.

Wonder what goes on in some peoples heads.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:19:50
6 ambulances apparently.
In a separate incident Kent police had a car damaged too.

Wonder what goes on in some peoples heads.

Unfortunately nothing Wooly sadly. I just don't get it at all. :(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:26:27
https://twitter.com/i/status/1241876775896076298


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:33:52
36 year old nurse with no underlying health issues in intensive care on ventilator in Walsall.
This could potentially wipe many of us out.
Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, MP and A&E Doctor was on radio this morning saying they're seeing increasing amounts of previously healthy 30 and 40 year olds seriously ill in intensive care with COVID-19. There's no "safe groups" for this thing


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:39:20
Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, MP and A&E Doctor was on radio this morning saying they're seeing increasing amounts of previously healthy 30 and 40 year olds seriously ill in intensive care with COVID-19. There's no "safe groups" for this thing

If this isn't a wake up call for the pillocks who are just blatantly ignoring govt advice then nothing is going to be.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:42:48
If this isn't a wake up call for the pillocks who are just blatantly ignoring govt advice then nothing is going to be.
For some it won't be a wake up call until its far far too late I am afraid to say, so many people, especially the younger previously less at risk group, with a blasť attitude to it all.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:45:08
For some it won't be a wake up call until its far far too late I am afraid to say, so many people, especially the younger previously less at risk group, with a blasť attitude to it all.

Absolutely. You can imagine if they are told that they are responsible for the deaths of XX people that they would just shrug their shoulders.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:47:48
Absolutely. You can imagine if they are told that they are responsible for the deaths of XX people that they would just shrug their shoulders.
So so sad and yes very true.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:17:51
I was following a white van this morning, some clever dick had wiped into the rear door "No toilet rolls are left in this van overnight"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:19:12
Does it not seem a bit convenient that after a weekend of huge swathes of people ignoring advice that suddenly young people are now in fact vulnerable, when they weren't before? I believe the nurse on Friday was propaganda and I believe this is too. Propaganda trying to achieve something useful, admittedly.

And before you jump all over me - yes I know it's serious, I'm taking it seriously and I think a lot of people aren't (and they're fucking selfish for behaving this way) but the scaremongering machine seems to be out in full force. Most people who get the virus are absolutely fine.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:25:52
Does it not seem a bit convenient that after a weekend of huge swathes of people ignoring advice that suddenly young people are now in fact vulnerable, when they weren't before? I believe the nurse on Friday was propaganda and I believe this is too. Propaganda trying to achieve something useful, admittedly.

And before you jump all over me - yes I know it's serious, I'm taking it seriously and I think a lot of people aren't (and they're fucking selfish for behaving this way) but the scaremongering machine seems to be out in full force. Most people who get the virus are absolutely fine.

You may well be right. But maybe some people need scaring into doing the right thing. Appealing to their common sense, intelligence and sense of public good doesn't seem to be working for some people. Presumably because they lack all 3.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:26:56
I'm aware of two cases - a friend's brother and a friend's niece - where completely healthy young people are in a serious condition in hospital with this, one critical

It can kill anyone. It's less likely, but it can.

Me and wife are both WFH, showing no symptoms and we're isolating until we start coming down the other side.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:27:39
One member of the public has emailed one of our schools telling us that kids are congregating at the skate park. Ok. What is the school supposed to do about that? Yes there is a duty of care, but parents need to be more repsonsible.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:28:48
One member of the public has emailed one of our schools telling us that kids are congregating at the skate park. Ok. What is the school supposed to do about that? Yes there is a duty of care, but parents need to be more repsonsible.

Fuck all to do with the school - as if they don't have better things to be doing.

Will be a police matter by the end of the week.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:29:13
Perhaps their line of thinking is as the school you have a database of contact details for all the parents and could send out a blanket communication?

Ok, itís an assumption on my part but fairly logical imo


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:30:02
Does it not seem a bit convenient that after a weekend of huge swathes of people ignoring advice that suddenly young people are now in fact vulnerable, when they weren't before? I believe the nurse on Friday was propaganda and I believe this is too. Propaganda trying to achieve something useful, admittedly.

And before you jump all over me - yes I know it's serious, I'm taking it seriously and I think a lot of people aren't (and they're fucking selfish for behaving this way) but the scaremongering machine seems to be out in full force. Most people who get the virus are absolutely fine.


It's not a new development. Similar stories have been coming out of China and Italy for weeks.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:30:16
Although if they are going to ignore all the other advice not sure I communication from a school will get through


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:30:33
Nope. They think that it's the schools responsibility. It's not.

The school situation is scary. It's like a school holidays with limited staff in. Although one of our primary schools has 50 kids in.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 23, 2020, 11:54:55
Does anyone think we'll go into lockdown?

I have been saying to friends and acquaintances for over a week this was going to happen. So thatís a big yes from me.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:11:20
Tonight has to be the night to lockdown. It's long overdue but all advice as usual is being ignored. The British public are fucking idiot's


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cookie on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:14:12
Right, this is now completely fucking mental. Off the fucking scale stupid. The people in ISS, who my missus works for, are like the idiots in parks and Snowdon. (She works in a restaurant And is expected to work, in case you donít read above.)

  • Few of the staff are self-isolating - many are dicks who think itís pointless
  • The bosses (who are self isolating and remote) are giving orders
  • The staff on my missusís site are expected to cover for staffing shortages at other sites. They get there driven in a small minibus with the driver whoís a manager and thinks Corona Virus is a big joke and hasnít changed anything in his life
  • Some of them are going to other sites today and ďhanding outĒ yes, fucking handing out, free sandwiches - theyíve been told to do this. Theyíre not dropping them off, but going to their sites specifically to do this face to face
  • On my Missus site, to encourage people to the restaurants, the food is now free. Theyíve been told everyone has to hand it out
  • On top of this there are self-serve coffee machines and fridges with food in, more contact points than you can shake a stick at

THIS IS FUCKING INSANE - HOW IS THIS ALLOWED?!

Why should the bosses be deciding to jeopardise her (and the others staffís) health while they do fuck all? Is there anything she can do about this? Itís literally making her sick with anxiety.



Barry, is there a recognised Union at her workplace? even if not a member this should be first port of call. If there isn't a Union then no time like the present to join one and encourage her colleagues to do the same. 

https://www.tuc.org.uk/about-unions/find-union-you


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:15:00
I have been saying the same, it will be lockdown before Friday I am certain of that, and it could be as early as tomorrow, this is escalating so far and as Arriba says, the British public are essentially in the main idiotic morons.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:15:32
If this isn't a wake up call for the pillocks who are just blatantly ignoring govt advice then nothing is going to be.

You're presuming the 'pillocks' keep themselves informed by watching this sort of stuff, but they don't.

Had to back away from a neighbour earlier, he works nights for Royal Mail, who persisted on getting up close and personal to share his wisdom, and ended up in the hedge. He actually looked puzzled when I asked what the hell was he doing.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:16:17
The supermarkets open an hour early for NHS workers and vulnerable people only.

Do the rest honor that? Do they fuck. It needs to be locked down. Fines and/or prison sentences for people that are our unnecessarily. I'm not sure how you'd stop the mass panic buying though. Clamp down on how much people can buy as well.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:17:18
My partner is 22 weeks pregnant, and work has told her to stay at home for 12 weeks to stay isolated. By my logic, to keep her chances of getting ill at a minimum, I should stay off too, otherwise I risk bringing it into our home and thus defeating the object. Does that make sense, as my employer has no policy or idea on this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:19:25
The supermarkets open an hour early for NHS workers and vulnerable people only.

Do the rest honor that? Do they fuck. It needs to be locked down. Fines and/or prison sentences for people that are our unnecessarily. I'm not sure how you'd stop the mass panic buying though. Clamp down on how much people can buy as well.

Maybe Boris should try reverse logic and tell people to go out and congregate in vast numbers and than panic buying is very much what should be done at this juncture, especially buying as much toilet roll as you can physically fit on your house.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:22:25
My partner is 22 weeks pregnant, and work has told her to stay at home for 12 weeks to stay isolated. By my logic, to keep her chances of getting ill at a minimum, I should stay off too, otherwise I risk bringing it into our home and thus defeating the object. Does that make sense, as my employer has no policy or idea on this.

A real tough one. If you're able to, work from home, and if not, keep clear of each other and keep everything clean. Essential that you follow current guidance whenever you enter your home. Good luck.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:24:58
Nope. They think that it's the schools responsibility. It's not.

The school situation is scary. It's like a school holidays with limited staff in. Although one of our primary schools has 50 kids in.

Mrs B has 30 in, so were orignally holding 2 classes but I guess that may expand with increased social distancing. The current rota has teachers and TAs working 2 days a week


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:28:14
I honestly don't think a lock-down is the way to go. Some people have legitimate reasons to have to be out and about, people just need to be sensible. If that mean, police/army patrols to stop the idiots going to the beach or kids congregating at the park then so be it, but full on lock-down is too excessive.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:30:04
I disagree Chubbs. People aren't being sensible. If lockdown occurs, those that need to go out can. They just need to follow process.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:31:32
I disagree Chubbs. People aren't being sensible. If lockdown occurs, those that need to go out can. They just need to follow process.
I agree, lockdown is the only way forward in my opinion.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RedRag on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:31:39
What's paranoid today becomes sensible tomorrow.

I have even wondered whether I would be better sleeping in the spare room - on the basis that it would be really unhelpful if my wife and I were both infected at the same time.

Tbf, she would probably approve such a move, coronavirus or not  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:34:10
What would a lockdown mean though? Keyworkers to still go out I suppose. Allowed out for shopping/essentials?

How would it be policed? Could it be policed?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:09:29
My Missus' anxiety over came her nice side quite quickly in the end and she became a massive irritant at work. She started making sure, loudly, that everyone kept their distance and emailed a big boss explaining they have a duty of care to staff and it's unacceptable for them to be putting staff in harms way.

After a few hours someone higher up offered her to go home, afraid that it was because they just wanted her influence out of the way, she refused. Over the course of the next few hours they've sent most the staff home and might well be shutting up shop. About fucking time those idiots saw sense . Yay woman.

Barry, is there a recognised Union at her workplace? even if not a member this should be first port of call. If there isn't a Union then no time like the present to join one and encourage her colleagues to do the same.  

https://www.tuc.org.uk/about-unions/find-union-you

There's not. But I've spoken to ACAS and, as mentioned above, I think they've seen sense. I believe they're just hoping to delay the business going down the pan, because without doubt ISS is going under soon enough imo. (Corona or not.)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:25:27
One lady on twitter filmed NHS stuff getting grief from other people when they were trying to get their shopping done. Even being prevented from entering the shop. Apparently they were accused of being entitled.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:29:49
One lady on twitter filmed NHS stuff getting grief from other people when they were trying to get their shopping done. Even being prevented from entering the shop. Apparently they were accused of being entitled.

Haha surprises me not and yes they should be entitled at the mo.
On the frontline.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:34:52
Time for Boris to "order it" not to "advise it".


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:35:40
One lady on twitter filmed NHS stuff getting grief from other people when they were trying to get their shopping done. Even being prevented from entering the shop. Apparently they were accused of being entitled.
Crazy,   what is the matter with people ?,   NHS workers deserve priority and respect,  bet a lot of these moaners/stockpilers wouldn't have the bollocks to do the work these heroes do.  They do long shifts,  they need to eat and many cannot get to the shops during 'busy periods'.
We all moan about the NHS at different times,  but fuck, these people deserve medals not the shit they are getting from some selfish knobheads.
Hero's every one in my opinion.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:37:53
It's no wonder I have a dislike for people when there are so many knobheads in this country.  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:39:57
It's no wonder I have a dislike for people when there are so many knobheads in this country.  :)
Rather have a good dog, at least they do as they're told.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:48:32
Time for Boris to "order it" not to "advise it".

Yep.

And have the army support the police if needed.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:50:50
It's no wonder I have a dislike for people when there are so many knobheads in this country.  :)

The new anthem. Enjoy.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM6RAz9BE2A


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 23, 2020, 13:54:49
Yep.

And have the army support the police if needed.
I have a few friends in the RAF based at Yeovilton, they are on high alert and all leave cancelled awaiting the call to aid any possible civil unrest(!) and helping the emergency services. 2 have been called back from manoeuvres in Norway early.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Valid Pint on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:00:41
I have a few friends in the RAF based at Yeovilton, they are on high alert and all leave cancelled awaiting the call to aid any possible civil unrest(!) and helping the emergency services. 2 have been called back from manoeuvres in Norway early.
Shouldn't they be abiding by the Official Secrets Act?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:05:38
What. A. Cunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/brazils-jair-bolsonaro-says-coronavirus-crisis-is-a-media-trick


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:15:05
What. A. Cunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/brazils-jair-bolsonaro-says-coronavirus-crisis-is-a-media-trick

Yeah, the situation isn't helped by a fair number of dysfunctional individuals in high office across the globe.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:16:36
What would a lockdown mean though? Keyworkers to still go out I suppose. Allowed out for shopping/essentials?

How would it be policed? Could it be policed?

The UK has literally dozens of examples it could look to if it decided it needed to lock down. Continental Europe is looking on, amazed at how relaxed the government continues to be in Britain.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:16:38
Signs that it may be levelling out in Europe. *fingers crossed*


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chunkyhair on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:26:39
Just drove past North Swindon Asda (essential journey - taking wife, an NHS worker, to work). Cars queuing through Macdonaldís drive through back to the lights on Thamesdown Drive to get that essential last Big Mac before they close at 5pm. Probably 30-40 cars. Glad to see folks still getting their priorities right. :( :( :(

Fuckwits.

And please donít someone say ďitís ok, itís Drive through, they are more than 6 feet apartĒ, cos they are not 6 feet away from staff and it is not essential to have a last Big Mac!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: michael on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:29:10
Apparently supermarkets are a bit more normal today, a bit short on long-life food still but plenty of fresh stuff.

With that in mind... anyone interested in a job lot of Imodium? Buyer collects.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:31:44
"No, but I seem to feel better when they're not around."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuXpD3xDwvU


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:36:12
Am I wrong in wanting to beat these yoofs?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52003543


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:36:57
Signs that it may be levelling out in Europe. *fingers crossed*

Is there?? There was one day where the number of Italian deaths fell, but havenít seen anything else to suggest that yet?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:39:37
Am I wrong in wanting to beat these yoofs?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52003543
https://twitter.com/i/status/1241171683949432832


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:41:08
good question LS re pregnant partner. congratulations by the way

here are some steps you should be taking regardless

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-have-a-vulnerable-person-living-with-you


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:43:05
https://twitter.com/i/status/1241171683949432832
https://youtu.be/SJp7jLRGOqY


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:46:59
https://youtu.be/SJp7jLRGOqY

Yay. More hate-mongering. That's what we need right now.

Should be ashamed of yourself.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 23, 2020, 14:50:17
Yay. More hate-mongering. That's what we need right now.

Should be ashamed of yourself.
what you going on about, i'm showiing the video,fair play to Robinson,i should be ashamed :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
have a word with yourself


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 15:05:35
you've got to feel sorry for Tommy. Trouble busy seems to follow him around

🤔


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2020, 15:18:49
what you going on about, i'm showiing the video,fair play to Robinson,i should be ashamed :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
It's not like he has a track record of deliberately staging these videos to spread hate, make himself look good and keep the donations from the gullible flowing in. Fucking mug


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 23, 2020, 15:21:52
A video of tommy Robinson responding to aggression that doesnít include any footage of the original aggression?? Thatís unusual


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cookie on Monday, March 23, 2020, 15:42:16
Tommy Robinson is a massive cunt, no doubt about it. Please stop posting his nonsense here.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 15:51:33
A video of tommy Robinson responding to aggression that doesnít include any footage of the original aggression?? Thatís unusual

At least it wasn't in the toddler's pool this time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:21:39
It's not like he has a track record of deliberately staging these videos to spread hate, make himself look good and keep the donations from the gullible flowing in. Fucking mug
4D posted about it so I put a video i saw on twitter about it. weather its staged or not is a  different matter, lighten up you Prick


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:24:23
Signs that it may be levelling out in Europe. *fingers crossed*

450 dead in one day and a rise of 4000 infections. Thatís just spain and thatís not leveling out Iím afraid


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:25:08
Eh? I posted a news story link, don't think it mentioned him  ???


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:27:23
Eh? I posted a news story link, don't think it mentioned him  ???
no you didn't mention him, I put the video on to show who it was


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:28:30
450 dead in one day and a rise of 4000 infections. Thatís just spain and thatís not leveling out Iím afraid

Believe Italy's stats are not in yet, lockdown was 12th March, fingers crossed that within the next couple of days the tide turns there. If not...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:29:43
no you didn't mention him, I put the video on to show who it was

Ah


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:33:03
 Italy no longer treating the over 60s - or, more precisely, theyíll have no access to a ventilator.

Thatíd be me fucked.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:34:06
4D posted about it so I put a video i saw on twitter about it. weather its staged or not is a  different matter, lighten up you Prick

what you going on about, i'm showiing the video,fair play to Robinson


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:36:45

yeah, if itwasn't staged as you seem to think it was then fair play to him


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:37:24
 :idiot:

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18327420.coronavirus-queues-mcdonalds-fast-food-giant-prepares-close/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:38:46
450 dead in one day and a rise of 4000 infections. Thatís just spain and thatís not leveling out Iím afraid

It's the number of new cases I am looking at. Spain, Germany, and Italy all showed drops in the last couple of days. I'm just waiting to see the new figures when they're updated.

The thing is that the deaths were already in the system. Those dying today would have been in the system about 2 weeks ago. A drop in new cases now should hopefully mean fewer deaths further down the line. I know it's of no consolation to those suffering now, but it does suggest there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

Let's hope I'm right.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:39:55
I think we all hope you're right FH


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:41:02
Just seen a group of 7 or 8 kids walk by together, dropping litter and no apparent care in the world. ::)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 23, 2020, 16:43:51
wait, no.

Spain just registered an increase. Fuck.

Still waiting on Germany and Italy.

I'm getting this information here if anybody's interested. It breaks it down by country as well. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 17:01:14
My firm have just announced that they're furloughing some employees in order to claim government funding. On full pay rather than 80%, which is good I suppose but obviously it's going to be a bit awkward as it's not everyone.   


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 23, 2020, 17:03:18
So, how does this thing end? How do things get back to normal? Countries will all get back in control at different times. Surely there wonít just come a day when governments donít just say ĎOK, get back to normalí


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TownEnder on Monday, March 23, 2020, 17:22:05
A video of tommy Robinson responding to aggression that doesnít include any footage of the original aggression?? Thatís unusual
To be fair, why would anyone be filming until the original attack had taken place ??,  Surely a town centre, there must be CCTV to back it up either way, seems genuine to me but what do I know ??.  If true, then fair play to him at least he's got the bollocks to stand up to these wankers.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: iamchris on Monday, March 23, 2020, 17:28:12
So, how does this thing end? How do things get back to normal? Countries will all get back in control at different times. Surely there wonít just come a day when governments donít just say ĎOK, get back to normalí

BBC News did a feature on this the other day. Grim reading.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51963486


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Monday, March 23, 2020, 17:40:31
My employers started the process to get as many people working from home on March 13. Work desktops going home for those who have got laptops.

Compared to experiences I've heard elsewhere, it seems that they were on it (even if the 13th was probably too late).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Monday, March 23, 2020, 17:47:22
No press conference today. PM in emergency Cobra meeting.

Thatíll be lockdown incoming then.

Cant say the public werenít warned..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Monday, March 23, 2020, 17:48:41
I've just driven through Wednesbury. Kids out playing, families out together. You'd think it was just a day off school for them. Roads busy too. We desperately need a lockdown today.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 23, 2020, 17:51:47
Ive taken my dog to the park behind my house a couple of times today. Not many people out, mainly other dog walkers and everyones taken huge steps away from each other when close by.

It hasn't been that difficult either!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Monday, March 23, 2020, 18:40:31
It's the number of new cases I am looking at. Spain, Germany, and Italy all showed drops in the last couple of days. I'm just waiting to see the new figures when they're updated.

The thing is that the deaths were already in the system. Those dying today would have been in the system about 2 weeks ago. A drop in new cases now should hopefully mean fewer deaths further down the line. I know it's of no consolation to those suffering now, but it does suggest there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

Let's hope I'm right.

Spain has gone up and up and up. Wish it hadnít


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Monday, March 23, 2020, 18:50:21
Ive taken my dog to the park behind my house a couple of times today. Not many people out, mainly other dog walkers and everyones taken huge steps away from each other when close by.

It hasn't been that difficult either!

Yes that was my experience.  Better than at the weekend.  Clearly not being repeated everywhere however.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 23, 2020, 19:07:01
So, how does this thing end? How do things get back to normal? Countries will all get back in control at different times. Surely there wonít just come a day when governments donít just say ĎOK, get back to normalí

I think I mentioned in a previous post how we don;t seem to have people planning for that situation yet, which makes it so obvious that we didn't really have effective Pandemic plans in place - because we were constantly reacting rather than pointing to the next action in the plan.  That's not a criticism - every country is doing the same.

We have enough cautionary tales around us though, and now we have a few places showing what happens when you do try to get back to normal:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-quarantine-intl-hnk/index.html

The three major pandemics in the 20th Century all had at least two distinct waves of infection and deaths.

On the positive side, we did return to normal after all three, eventually.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 23, 2020, 19:28:10
Yes that was my experience.  Better than at the weekend.  Clearly not being repeated everywhere however.

You're Reading as well right?

Actually think it's been sensible here, compating to what seems to be national levels.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 19:31:38
Quote from: Arriba
I've just driven through Wednesbury. Kids out playing, families out together. You'd think it was just a day off school for them. Roads busy too. We desperately need a lockdown today.

families living in same house going out was as per given advice, with precautions.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Monday, March 23, 2020, 19:36:22
You're Reading as well right?

Actually think it's been sensible here, compating to what seems to be national levels.

Yes I am.  I was walking through Christchurch Meadows, between Caversham Bridge & Reading bridge.

There clearly are some appalling examples everywhere but I'm hoping that it's better than it seems on the basis that people tend to report the bad incidents because they're more newsworthy.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 23, 2020, 19:36:37
I donít know what it is - no, thatís not true, I know exactly what it is - but this whole crisis has rapidly got me down.

Sure, weíre pretty safe here in Kefalonia, but I watch the news and see people lying on the floor of a Madrid hospital coughing their guts up and even being, historically, a cynical old cunt, I find myself fighting back the tears.

Iím going to find this a personal struggle.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Monday, March 23, 2020, 19:45:37
I donít know what it is - no, thatís not true, I know exactly what it is - but this whole crisis has rapidly got me down.

Sure, weíre pretty safe here in Kefalonia, but I watch the news and see people lying on the floor of a Madrid hospital coughing their guts up and even being, historically, a cynical old cunt, I find myself fighting back the tears.

Iím going to find this a personal struggle.

Youíre just being human. Iíve felt anxious and panicked. Iíve joined in with frivolous jokes and wisecracks. And Iíve also shed a few tears.

The best advice Iíve had so far is to tell yourself ďI donít knowĒ every time your brain tries to ask you a question about whatís going to happen. Because you donít know. No one knows.
But right now, in this actual present moment, you are safe. Keep on mitigating the risks and staying in the present moment.

I know itís all easier said than done. But it has helped me. And I hope it helps others.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, March 23, 2020, 20:02:20
It's amazing how quickly you miss your boring, humdrum, stressful everyday life. I want it back - we all do🙁


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2020, 20:12:55
Makes you wonder if they are actually still working to the "herd immunity" strategy:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-govt-hasnt-run-ads-on-pandemic-from-official-social-media-accounts-11962386

Let's face it, the messaging so far hasn't worked so why not use the offer of free ads on Facebook etc to get the message across? The govt know it works, it's what won them the referendum campaign and won Johnson the election. They know it's highly effective. So why not use it now?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:05:05
 :)

https://youtu.be/IbQX9ndDLl4


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:17:03
families living in same house going out was as per given advice, with precautions.

It was families with other families by the looks of it. Groups. All close together.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:19:10
Quote from: Arriba
Quote
families living in same house going out was as per given advice, with precautions.
It was families with other families by the looks of it. Groups. All close together.
ah. quite different


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:19:34
Boris time


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:20:57
lockdown confirmed.

only allowed out for
 shopping.. essentials
 1 form of exercise a day
 medical need.
 traveling two and from work if absolutely       necessary

fines can be dished out.
all shops shut except food.
no weddings, religious gathering.
no gatherings of more than 2 people, other than people from same household


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:27:58
Need clear definition of what is necessary work.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:33:15
Need clear definition of what is necessary work.

This


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:34:39
To show you how serious this is, Boris Johnson just spoke from a script for eight minutes without a single deviation, joke or random Latin/classics reference.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:35:28
Bit of a catch 22 situation. With all restaurants etc closing then more people will be hitting the supermarkets.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:49:17
Are online shops still allowed to operate?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:50:58
Are online shops still allowed to operate?

Yeah.

Not sure whether that went far enough or not. Still a lot open to interpretation, particularly the Ďessential workí clause. Will see how this plays out


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:52:13
Can be open but i dont think anything will be delivered bar food. personal opinion not fact


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 21:54:00
This all because of the selfish people going to the beach and snowdonia.

3 weeks is a long time. Necessary. I genuinely don't know how it will be policed. I suppose it's down to adult responsibility. People will still go out.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:01:50
This all because of the selfish people going to the beach and snowdonia.

3 weeks is a long time. Necessary. I genuinely don't know how it will be policed. I suppose it's down to adult responsibility. People will still go out.

I can tell you how itís policed here...,

There are very few people outside. The police are patrolling in cars everywhere . They stop you and ask you what youíre doing. If youíre food shopping you need to show a receipt . They pull over cars and ask, thing is your ďlockdown ď isnít really that. You can still go out and exercise. Parks are open. None of that here. You can only go out to buy food and only one person per car. Goto the pharmacies or walk a dog once a day 50m from your house. Police are everywhere here enforcing it. You get caught outside twice itís 3 months in jail. In the bigger towns and cities itís the police and the army.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:06:32
I don't have much confidence in our police force, but I hope they prove me wrong. They need to prove me wrong.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:14:39
So, my car was booked in for an MOT tomorrow. How likely is it that that wonít be possible now? If I donít get it done, I wonít be able to drive when necessary. Sodís law eh.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:15:23
What if you are on your way to the shops Mex?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:17:23
So, my car was booked in for an MOT tomorrow. How likely is it that that wonít be possible now? If I donít get it done, I wonít be able to drive when necessary. Sodís law eh.

They haven't mentioned petrol stations either. Tyre centres, what if you get a puncture driving to the supermarket?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:17:43
What if you are on your way to the shops Mex?
I wondered that. Shopping list as alibi? Or maybe they escort you there and make you go in?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:18:49
I wondered that. Shopping list as alibi? Or maybe they escort you there and make you go in?

Here's my bag for life Senor  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:25:35
You can now only go to your local shop. They are not even letting us leave our village to go to a big supermarket. We have to shop in a Spanish version of a Tesco express. The police are reasonable, if you are legitimately on your way to the shops with a shopping bag they are fine. But if youíre taking the piss and just wandering around your fucked. The thing is people donít want to be out. Itís not safe . They donít want to get ill. They have respect for the police and more importantly in this case health workers. 10% of deaths in spain are doctors and nurses. There doesnít seem to be the sort of idiotic behavior you seem to have I n the uk here. 4000 people a day are testing positive. The hospitals are full. They are no longer giving ventilators to over 60s as they have to make a decision on who has more chance of living. Someone over or under 60. That sharpens a nations mind


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Briggany on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:47:57
I picked a great time to move i to the country. Fuck all police around and I can walk through fields with not a soul around miles.

Pocked up a rescue dog on Friday as well so he will be getting a fair few walks. Took him on two today and saw no one the entire time!  :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, March 23, 2020, 22:59:38
Are online shops still allowed to operate?

Until I hear differently - Royal Mail is operating as normal.
We are all classed as key workers, in fact weíve had no official communications from the top about the virus at all


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Monday, March 23, 2020, 23:05:05
You can now only go to your local shop. They are not even letting us leave our village to go to a big supermarket. We have to shop in a Spanish version of a Tesco express. The police are reasonable, if you are legitimately on your way to the shops with a shopping bag they are fine. But if youíre taking the piss and just wandering around your fucked. The thing is people donít want to be out. Itís not safe . They donít want to get ill. They have respect for the police and more importantly in this case health workers. 10% of deaths in spain are doctors and nurses. There doesnít seem to be the sort of idiotic behavior you seem to have I n the uk here. 4000 people a day are testing positive. The hospitals are full. They are no longer giving ventilators to over 60s as they have to make a decision on who has more chance of living. Someone over or under 60. That sharpens a nations mind


My elderly folks are in lock down on the Costa Blanca and they are enduring a very similar experience to you. I am coming to terms with the fact that if they contract Covid 19 then I have seen them for the last time and won't get to even attend their funeral.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, March 23, 2020, 23:27:30
I have been one of the first to criticise the Tories over the years but they havenít put a foot wrong so far IMO. Boris gave people the chance to heed warnings and they didnít - hence tonightís outcome.

Like many, I am pleasantly surprised - long may it continue.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 23, 2020, 23:44:50
I dunno, the communication has been quite poor Iíd say - too often instructions are up to interpretation, which is why you get people acting like idiots

Iíll give them credit for taking action in such uncertain times when there isnít a rule book to follow, and donít think now is the time for too much dissent either. I guess ultimately we wonít know for a few years if the steps taken were correct


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 00:28:48
Short memories.

You recall him sitting saying - 'we should take it on the chin, take it all in one go, and let the disease as it were move through the population.'

He sat on his fucking hands thinking herd immunity was the way to go and people will die because of it.

And the communication has been blurred to say the least.

He should have told my industry to close a week and a half ago.  In 3 days I had 22000 people in a sweaty venue.  He should have been closing that shit down.

Just an opinion mind.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 05:27:03
Quote from: 4D link=topic=581
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What if you are on your way to the shops Mex?
Similar lockdown here as in Spain. There are 5 Ďreasonsí to be allowed out - shops, pharmacies, essential work, helping care for family members, short walk with dog.

Before you do any one of those there is a number you text giving your name, address and which of the above 5 reasons you want to go out for. You then get a confirmation code returned via SMS. If stopped and you have no code itís a Ä150 fine for first offence, escalating to prison for any persistent offenders. You must also carry a passport/residents permit at all times.

At supermarkets you queue outside, 2 metres apart, and wait until your number is called before you go in. Numbers are strictly administered according to the size of the shop.

Nobody is complaining here, nobody really wants to be out anyway. There are no shortages, no selfish dickheads and a spooky calm everywhere.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 06:48:37
Similar lockdown here as in Spain. There are 5 Ďreasonsí to be allowed out - shops, pharmacies, essential work, helping care for family members, short walk with dog.

Before you do any one of those there is a number you text giving your name, address and which of the above 5 reasons you want to go out for. You then get a confirmation code returned via SMS. If stopped and you have no code itís a Ä150 fine for first offence, escalating to prison for any persistent offenders. You must also carry a passport/residents permit at all times.

At supermarkets you queue outside, 2 metres apart, and wait until your number is called before you go in. Numbers are strictly administered according to the size of the shop.

Nobody is complaining here, nobody really wants to be out anyway. There are no shortages, no selfish dickheads and a spooky calm everywhere.

That sounds exactly the same as here. Queuing to get into shops, no one wanting to be out and that eeriness you talk of us spot on. The cars in the street here are all covered in the Sahara dust we get as they havenít moved for two weeks


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 07:47:55
Canít really slag Boris off. Would you do a better job. I certainly wouldnít want to be in his shoes.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 07:52:23
Sports Direct and WH Smith classifying themselves as essential retail has to be about as low as it's possible to be. Not that anyone will be particularly surprised at Sports Direct at least.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 08:27:11
Anyone see Gove, on good morning Britain?
Fuck me, so fucking clueless and contradictory. They're gonna have to be more clear today as it still isn't sinking in. Idiots like him in the cabinet don't help.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 08:27:15
Canít really slag Boris off. Would you do a better job. I certainly wouldnít want to be in his shoes.

By and large it has been handled well. Listening to the best advice from those in the know, obviously medical then logistics, transport, economists etc. So much to consider, plus there are the similarities to all the western developed countries but crucially differences to to be considered in terms of spread and reasons why and how and the ability to deal with it. Lastly trying not to frighten the shit out of a number of generations that donít know what a national emergency actually is and have had everything on a plate without question.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 08:31:24
Sports Direct and WH Smith classifying themselves as essential retail has to be about as low as it's possible to be. Not that anyone will be particularly surprised at Sports Direct at least.

Lot of Post Offices in WH Smith branches so maybe off the back of that.
Might take a day or two for some clarity to surface.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 08:33:14
Gove just told the BBC the complete opposite of what he told good morning Britain. The man is a fucking idiot. No wonder the public are confused


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 08:52:29
What did he say?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 09:06:22
Thailand announces a national emergency - but nobody knows what that actually means.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 09:06:58
Sports Direct make a u-turn and close their stores


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 09:13:05
good (sports direct). just asked them to delete my online account


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 09:50:38
Thailand announces a national emergency - but nobody knows what that actually means.

... due to come in force in 2 days time.

It is highly probable that it will involve banning people from travelling to the provinces. So now people have notice to do exactly that.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:01:03
Looking in from the outside with the prior knowledge of experience throughout  Europe at their disposal I think the reaction of the uk govt is tantamount to manslaughter.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:21:17
Canít really slag Boris off. Would you do a better job. I certainly wouldnít want to be in his shoes.
He's done a shit job. Failed to prepare properly when there was time before it hit (and there was a couple of months' worth of warning as it was going through China/SE Asia while he was disappearing for the whole of Jan or crowdfunding "Bongs for Brexit"), so they're now playing catch-up to get frontline healthcare workers/social care workers the PPE kits they need, ventilators for hospitals, no testing for healthcare workers etc etc. When it hit us, wasted time with the "let the pensioners die" herd immunity bollocks, in the face of medical and scientific advice from all over the world, including public health experts in this country. Then dithered over implementing social distancing, giving the virus another 10 days to spread unrestricted. Shit communication to get the message across - e.g. telling people not to go to pubs, but leaving them open. I hear that confused some people as to whether they were still OK to go to the pub or not until he finally belatedly ordered them to shut. It's all been too little, too late, the virus has been allowed to spread uncontained for weeks. As a result we will have many thousands more deaths and have to endure the more extreme lockdown measures (because we're not in full lockdown yet) for weeks if not months longer than we need to have done. Dithering, blethering idiot, he has cost thousands of lives.

That said, it's early days. From here on in, he may step up to the plate and become the decisive leader focused on the national interest the country needs. I see no signs of that so far. We'll see.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:22:26
Looking in from the outside with the prior knowledge of experience throughout  Europe at their disposal I think the reaction of the uk govt is tantamount to manslaughter.

The kind of reaction like implementing a measure AFTER a sunny weekend, do you mean ?

The kind of reaction like producing a list of underlying health conditions qualifying for 'the shield' that doesn't include people with chronic hypertension ? Lancet, BBC, Times, Guardian all reported the higher risk over a week ago. The US reports (below) that in Italy 76% of deaths have had said condition, up to 50% in China. Do you mean that kind of thing ?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-high-blood-pressure#1


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:29:29
What did he say?

He corrected and then clarified the position regarding the transfer of U18's between separated parents that have duel custody.

He initially said it wasn't permitted but then confirmed it was in his next interview, as long as the usual condtions are followed.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:32:51
Ah well not 3 weeks for me, the government suggest 12 weeks lockdown, got this txt message yesterday afternoon....

Quote
NHS Coronavirus Service: We have identified that you're someone at risk of severe illness if you catch Coronavirus. Please remain at home for a minimum of 12 weeks. Home is the safest place for you. Staying in helps you stay well and that will help the NHS too. You can open a window but do not leave your home, and stay 3 steps away from others indoors. Wash your hands more often, for at least 20 seconds.

Read more advice about staying safe at home.
www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable-guidance

We will send you more messages with information.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: cdakev on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:36:08
He's done a shit job. Failed to prepare properly when there was time before it hit (and there was a couple of months' worth of warning as it was going through China/SE Asia while he was disappearing for the whole of Jan or crowdfunding "Bongs for Brexit"), so they're now playing catch-up to get frontline healthcare workers/social care workers the PPE kits they need, ventilators for hospitals, no testing for healthcare workers etc etc. When it hit us, wasted time with the "let the pensioners die" herd immunity bollocks, in the face of medical and scientific advice from all over the world, including public health experts in this country. Then dithered over implementing social distancing, giving the virus another 10 days to spread unrestricted. Shit communication to get the message across - e.g. telling people not to go to pubs, but leaving them open. I hear that confused some people as to whether they were still OK to go to the pub or not until he finally belatedly ordered them to shut. It's all been too little, too late, the virus has been allowed to spread uncontained for weeks. As a result we will have many thousands more deaths and have to endure the more extreme lockdown measures (because we're not in full lockdown yet) for weeks if not months longer than we need to have done. Dithering, blethering idiot, he has cost thousands of lives.



Really !!   He's been very clear with his messages, people have been ignoring his advice by socialising, go to the beach, gatherings in the park, bulk buying at the shops.

My wife is a nurse and is currently in isolation as the family now is many because fucking idiots can't follow instructions and think they know better !

That said, it's early days. From here on in, he may step up to the plate and become the decisive leader focused on the national interest the country needs. I see no signs of that so far. We'll see.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:43:16
Quote from: Chubbs
So, my car was booked in for an MOT tomorrow. How likely is it that that wonít be possible now? If I donít get it done, I wonít be able to drive when necessary. Sodís law eh.

you probably know, but garages and petrol stations are in the exempt list.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:47:01
I don't think the government have used strong enough rhetoric. I am not hugely political and would feel this way if Blue, Red, Yellow, Green etc were in charge using the words that I've listened to in recent weeks.

I've adhered to the advice but the tone and wording has seemed, to me, quite wishy-washy at times with 'try and avoid' instead of 'DO NOT DO THIS'. The general public need this sort of stuff hammered home otherwise they're off to Snowdonia, their second homes in Cornwall or the Isle of Wight or on the nearest beach.

Ultimately, the saddest thing is that this situation should be uniting the nation but, as always, about point scoring and us vs. them.

Stay safe and don't be a dick.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:53:38
He certainly underestimated the ďI know better than medical expertsĒ attitude of a sizeable % of the population

You couldnít account for the amount of Karenís on Facebook saying itís no worse than the flu


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:53:51
There are thousands dying across Europe. I really really hope this doesnít happen in the Uk. More should have been done much much sooner.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 10:58:26
Why does Europe always end up being the epicentre of things?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:02:24
Why does Europe always end up being the epicentre of things?

Be a bit more specific. Things, such as?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:10:54
Coronavirus, wars.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:14:53
Thank god there are only wars in Europe


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:16:13
Ah well not 3 weeks for me, the government suggest 12 weeks lockdown, got this txt message yesterday afternoon....


Stay safe PV.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:17:39
Ah well not 3 weeks for me, the government suggest 12 weeks lockdown, got this txt message yesterday afternoon....


Stay safe mate.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mr Stevens on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:32:23
I appreciate thar being a front-line Secretary of State is not the greatest job at the moment but I get the impression that some ministers who I won't name (Gove and Hancock) would not guess at answers to question. Hancock, in particular, seems to state things that should have happened rather than things that did happen.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:37:28
Why does Europe always end up being the epicentre of things?
It doesn't. SARS, MERS, Ebola, all hardly touched Europe.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:43:16
wars.

The Korean war?
The Vietnam war?
WORLD war I and II.
ISIS.
The various civil wars in Africa.
Yemen.

I could go on.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:43:18
Stay safe PV.
Stay safe mate.
Cheers lads, doing my best, lets see how all this shit pans out from now on.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:47:33
Really !!   He's been very clear with his messages, people have been ignoring his advice by socialising, go to the beach, gatherings in the park, bulk buying at the shops.
He hasn't. Just look back a few pages in this thread, people arguing whether they are OK to go to the pub.
My wife is a nurse and is currently in isolation as the family now is many because fucking idiots can't follow instructions and think they know better !
If they'd used the time in Jan/Feb to buy in PPE kits for health workers instead of fuck-arsing about and only getting round to ramping them up yesterday (according to Matt Hancock, Health Sec), maybe she wouldn't be. That doesn't excuse the fucking idiots, though. But the govt's complacency about this so far has been appalling. They've consistently been weeks behind the curve and missed opportunities to suppress it early, and that will cost thousands of lives


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:48:20
Cheers lads, doing my best, lets see how all this shit pans out from now on.
I'd echo what BO and FH said. Look after yourself mush!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:50:50
I'd echo what BO and FH said. Look after yourself mush!
Cheers Paul.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:53:35
The Korean war?
The Vietnam war?
WORLD war I and II.
ISIS.
The various civil wars in Africa.
Yemen.

I could go on.

Please don't


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:56:12
He corrected and then clarified the position regarding the transfer of U18's between separated parents that have duel custody.

He initially said it wasn't permitted but then confirmed it was in his next interview, as long as the usual condtions are followed.

A bit more than that wasn't it. He completely bumbled and blubbed his way along like the clueless idiot he is. It was a car crash from him.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 11:57:06
God forbid fatalities don't eventually outnumber Spain or Italy's, but if so, the Govt is going to have a huge problem justifying this laissez-faire response. Especially, when you consider the advantage of being behind the curve and benefit of advanced advice/warnings.

 'Taking it on the chin' when you had every chance to avoid it, is going to be a really hard sell.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 12:13:58
If they'd used the time in Jan/Feb to buy in PPE kits for health workers instead of fuck-arsing about and only getting round to ramping them up yesterday (according to Matt Hancock, Health Sec), maybe she wouldn't be. That doesn't excuse the fucking idiots, though. But the govt's complacency about this so far has been appalling. They've consistently been weeks behind the curve and missed opportunities to suppress it early, and that will cost thousands of lives

In Jan/Feb, they were too distracted by the approaching Brexit deadline to focus on anything else.  This is perhaps the most chilling example yet of the opportunity cost of Brexit - and the consequences of time & energy being diverted from what government should be focused on.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 12:24:10
Im trying not to get involved with pointless shouting about the rights and wrongs of all this.  My opinion has been expressed.  But just one other point.  There's 20k less coppers.  A load less healthcare staff.  Austerity planned for us getting by when times were ok.  Now we're in a crisis and it's going the deaths that austerity contributes to are going to be a lot more obvious.

 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 12:43:21
I can't see how that's contraversial Sax


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 12:54:23
Perhaps some of the blame should be focused on the idiots casually carrying on and ignoring this situation. There's a lot of fuckwits about.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 12:54:48
I don't think the government have used strong enough rhetoric. I am not hugely political and would feel this way if Blue, Red, Yellow, Green etc were in charge using the words that I've listened to in recent weeks.

I've adhered to the advice but the tone and wording has seemed, to me, quite wishy-washy at times with 'try and avoid' instead of 'DO NOT DO THIS'. The general public need this sort of stuff hammered home otherwise they're off to Snowdonia, their second homes in Cornwall or the Isle of Wight or on the nearest beach.

Ultimately, the saddest thing is that this situation should be uniting the nation but, as always, about point scoring and us vs. them.

Stay safe and don't be a dick.

Great post.  


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:16:40
Perhaps some of the blame should be focused on the idiots casually carrying on and ignoring this situation. There's a lot of fuckwits about.

Given Corona beer is less than half price right now because itís the only brand people arenít buying, I think thatís proven!

Some people believe that a Governmentís job is to protect people from their own damaging behaviour. Others donít agree with this to the same degree. Others actively criticise any intervention as ďNanny StateĒ.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:20:15
Right, this is now completely fucking mental. Off the fucking scale stupid. The people in ISS, who my missus works for, are like the idiots in parks and Snowdon. (She works in a restaurant And is expected to work, in case you donít read above.)

  • Few of the staff are self-isolating - many are dicks who think itís pointless
  • The bosses (who are self isolating and remote) are giving orders
  • The staff on my missusís site are expected to cover for staffing shortages at other sites. They get there driven in a small minibus with the driver whoís a manager and thinks Corona Virus is a big joke and hasnít changed anything in his life
  • Some of them are going to other sites today and ďhanding outĒ yes, fucking handing out, free sandwiches - theyíve been told to do this. Theyíre not dropping them off, but going to their sites specifically to do this face to face
  • On my Missus site, to encourage people to the restaurants, the food is now free. Theyíve been told everyone has to hand it out
  • On top of this there are self-serve coffee machines and fridges with food in, more contact points than you can shake a stick at

THIS IS FUCKING INSANE - HOW IS THIS ALLOWED?!

Why should the bosses be deciding to jeopardise her (and the others staffís) health while they do fuck all? Is there anything she can do about this? Itís literally making her sick with anxiety.



According to the Regulations, staff canteens (except for hospitals, care homes or schools), should have been shut from Saturday as per pubs etc.

Those managers keeping it open and instructing your wife to work committed a criminal offence.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:21:56
See schedule Part 1
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/327/made


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:39:57
Speaking with some people at work yesterday and a couple of them think this is all for nothing, there's no real risk so they're carrying on as normal outside of work. You've either got to be stupid or wilfully ignorant to not see what's coming...

We finally got offered gloves and masks at work last night as well, there's some hand gel that's appeared in the mail centre as well.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:41:39
fucking hell


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:46:26
Fucking hell indeed.

Spain  and Italy over 100,000 cases and 10,000 dead


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:48:33
Fucking hell indeed.

Spain  and Italy over 100,000 cases and 10,000 dead

And that's with social distancing and lockdown :(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:51:35
Idiots are dangerous.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 13:58:09
What it needs is some sense of it being close to home, and how ridiculous the speed of infection is vs. those other viruses people are comparing it to, like flu.

"Bodies of Covid-19 victims are now being delivered to an ice rink that is being used as a temporary morgue in Madrid."

Stuff like that would probably ram it home a little.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:00:23
Also, Itallian officials believe there are probably 10 times the number of infected people than they have officially recorded - the impact of reaching breaking point and only focusing on the ill.  That would mean they estimate over 600k infected.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:06:35
This is what we're up against.

https://twitter.com/Lilliemaenot/status/1242410885236260864?s=08


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:08:44
This is what we're up against.

https://twitter.com/Lilliemaenot/status/1242410885236260864?s=08
OMFG.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:09:51
My nan is high risk. I also have an aunt with bone cancer and an uncle with lymphoma.

I just received a message in FB from another family member. Was fucking dreading opening it. Thankfully it was nothing, but it's going to be that way for some time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:14:17
If on Facebook, look at the prime minister's latest post and read the comments. We are fucked. Full lockdown now is the only way.
The ignorance and stupidity continues. No other way..just keep everyone indoors except for a strict list. Bring in the army too


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:15:41
This is what we're up against.

https://twitter.com/Lilliemaenot/status/1242410885236260864?s=08

Good lord.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:17:04
This is what we're up against.

https://twitter.com/Lilliemaenot/status/1242410885236260864?s=08

Sometimes I hope natural selection will sort these problems out for themselves, but I know they'll take lots of good people with them. Jesus wept.  :doh:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:32:34
Playing devils advocate slightly, but if we think the true number of cases is around 500k (5k reported, assume 100 times that unreported), then that accounts for about 0.7% of the population - youíd assume these would also be more weighted to the major cities, particularly London

That means more than 99% of people currently arenít able to spread the virus. All the shops are shut. Even if you flout the rules and go out for two or heaven forbid three walks a day, and donít necessarily give a two meter berth to everyone you pass, then your coming into contact for fractions of seconds with people who are overwhelmingly unlikely to have the virus

Iím not trying to downplay the measures from yesterday, and agree with them completely. Also the numbers will change and infections will increase. Iím not really sure what Iím trying to say, other than for the time being your probably not going to become a massive superspreader if you go outside following the advice


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 14:48:38
The issue is allowing unbridled spreading - that 0.7% would be 1.4% within a few days, and so on.  It took something like 60+ days for the first 100k people to infected, then 11 for the next 100k, then 4 for the next 100k (Global).  It's that speed of increase that was the problem.  Partial social distancing may have slowed that increase down a little but evidence from Countries who had done that wasn't too promising - at best the increases took a little longer than with no restrictions.

Only a couple of places seem to have much success thus far:

China - complete lockdown, not even allowed to go shopping - probably impossible in most countries
Hong Kong - similar to China, isolated through testing early, now suffering a new outbreak as people returned
South Korea - learned from a 2015 outbreak of MERS that testing and extreme isolation and tracking was needed so acted quickly.  They tested rapidly to identify who had it, they also tracked people's movements through their phones, credit card purchases etc over the past 2 weeks.  They then published that data (not the names, just locations but down to the movie they watched in what cineam, what screen and what seat) to people to identify possible contacts and warn individuals of where to isolate.  They seem to have had quick growth in cases (mostly due to the cult in a single location) but have dampened it much quicker as a result.

We are too late probably to do what South Korea were able to do, we also don't know what happens there if it sparks off again, like in Hong Kong.

China is the closest model to what we are trying now - early signs there are positive, but we just don;t know how long it will last.  We may end-up having several waves of this before we can get a vaccine.  At least if we do get on top of it now we can take the South Korea route instead for the next wave - but that requires accepting a huge invasion of privacy.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:04:30
agreed Rob - what we don't know about China (wuhan) is wherever it will all kick off again when they come out of lockdown.

they are going to have to be shit hot at testing, tracing contact with anyone positive and isolating if it does.

that's what effectively controlled the first SARS/MERS.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:05:40
This is what we're up against.

https://twitter.com/Lilliemaenot/status/1242410885236260864?s=08
What the actual fuck! Stupid old dingbat needs euthanising before her and her ilk kill us all.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:07:32
Doughty doing his bit

https://twitter.com/NHSBSWCCG/status/1242436427905994753?s=19


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:16:47
agreed Rob - what we don't know about China (wuhan) is wherever it will all kick off again when they come out of lockdown.

they are going to have to be shit hot at testing, tracing contact with anyone positive and isolating if it does.

that's what effectively controlled the first SARS/MERS.
What the actual fuck! Stupid old dingbat needs euthanising before her and her ilk kill us all.

Well she seemed to be happy enough to die given what she said towards the end of her statement. What an absolute shit flute.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:21:30
After last week's shithousery over not wanting his pubs closed, nice to see Tim Wetherspoon keeping up his stiff challenge for "Biggest Shithead of the Coronoavirus Outbreak" title, along with Branson and Mike Ashley, by refusing to pay any of the 40,000 staff who work in his pubs until the govt money comes through at the end of April and telling them to go get a job in Tesco instead:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/23/mps-demand-boris-johnson-puts-uk-lockdown-social-distancing-advice-goes-ignored-12440875/

Hope everyone's taking note of which companies are doing their best to help and which ones are looking to profiteer for when this is all over.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:56:14
Bristol, really? I'm shocked  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52019720


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 15:57:42
My friend (an NHS worker) said she's been told to keep her ID out of sight as there's been a few attempted muggings. Any NHS workers on here had the same?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:15:04
Shouldn't be wearing it outside work anyway. That's just basic common sense.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:19:55
Shouldn't be wearing it outside work anyway. That's just basic common sense.

Well apparently it isn't for some of your colleagues :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:20:38
Theyíre still at it!

https://mobile.twitter.com/FoleshillWMP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1242460673914912770&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Flive-trains-packed-despite-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-11962707


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:23:24
India order complete lockdown of 1.3 billion people!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:30:14
Some good news: Nadine Dorries, the health minister, has recovered from COVID.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:34:10
And Hancock has just told the Commons "where people absolutely cannot work from home they can go still go to work, indeed it's important that they do to keep the country running." No mention of essential work. Communication around this is still a shambles. Which suggests that even key Cabinet members don't actually know what the policy is.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 16:37:11
And Hancock has just told the Commons "where people absolutely cannot work from home they can go still go to work, indeed it's important that they do to keep the country running." No mention of essential work. Communication around this is still a shambles. Which suggests that even key Cabinet members don't actually know what the policy is.

Good god. No one in continental Europe is in any sort of doubt as to the rules. Britain's drifting off its own sweet way.  :bye:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 17:50:06
...except Sweden, bizarrely.  They're even further behind the curve than we are.  Schools still open and no formal isolation advice.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 17:54:14
Yet Denmark went into lockdown quicker than we did


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 21:01:21
Fuck. Ing. Hell.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1242353335220539392

You think you're being a bit harsh about how shambolic and how far behind the curve the govt are on testing, and then you read shit like this. Jaw dropping.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 21:06:54
This from the Financial Times today - leaves a lot of holes still, and maybe Iím just hoping for good news too much but surely the Financial Times reporting on a study from oxford professors might have some validity to it?? Might explain the anecdotal heavy colds that were prevalent around dec-jan also

Text below

The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated ó perhaps as much as half the population ó according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

ďWe need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys ó antibody testing ó to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,Ē she said.

The modelling by Oxfordís Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. ďI am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,Ē said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a ďsusceptibility-infected-recovered modelĒ of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus ďherd immunityĒ, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy ó allowing controlled spread of infection ó after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised ďneutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,Ē Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 21:13:10
It would be fantastic if all that was true.  But there are very many rich and powerful people with a vested interest in getting people back to work asap.  Look at Trump saying he wants to get people back to work by Easter when the US are barely at the start of their crisis.

I think we all have to be questioning and cautious whilst so many people are very sick and dying.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 21:27:28
I saw this view fom the OU regarding when the virus may have hit the UK posted elsewhere today and brought this to mind.

My son who is 42 lives and works in London and commutes on the tube every day. In the middle of January he came down with a hacking cough, a very tight chest (which left him breathless) and lasted a week. In in his words it was the worst feeling being ill than he had ever experienced before. At the same time two other people in his office suffered very similar illnesses. With hindsight it could well have been flu and the only way to know if it was Coronavirus is that he gets tested to find out, which is a bit unlikely given the current situation. 


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 22:26:04
I saw this view fom the OU regarding when the virus may have hit the UK posted elsewhere today and brought this to mind.

My son who is 42 lives and works in London and commutes on the tube every day. In the middle of January he came down with a hacking cough, a very tight chest (which left him breathless) and lasted a week. In in his words it was the worst feeling being ill than he had ever experienced before. At the same time two other people in his office suffered very similar illnesses. With hindsight it could well have been flu and the only way to know if it was Coronavirus is that he gets tested to find out, which is a bit unlikely given the current situation. 

When the antibodies test gets released, make sure he gets tested. If heís had it, itís highly likely heíll be immune now. Plus it will help public health England to track whether the herd immunity theory is actually true. Letís hope so, for all our sakes.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 22:50:05
Itís certainly possible.  The Governor of N.Y. was recommending antibody testing today on the basis that their rapid expansion of testing was finding significant numbers and it would be a way of planning a return to some sort of activity.  Thatís not to say it will be a knight in shining armour though, they still expect to more than double their hospital bed capacity.  Italy also think the real rate of infection is at least 10 times their recorded count.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 22:52:20
It would be fantastic if all that was true.  But there are very many rich and powerful people with a vested interest in getting people back to work asap.  Look at Trump saying he wants to get people back to work by Easter when the US are barely at the start of their crisis.

I think we all have to be questioning and cautious whilst so many people are very sick and dying.

Yep look at the jump on the dow jones and where people are investing. Oil, Credit etc etc. THe rich want their money back, and don't give a shit how.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 09:20:20
my sister, whose a nurse, has a tight chest and minor cough.

it's most likely to be pollen induced asthma. But because she a community nurse that visits old people she has been told to self isolate. this leaves 2 on the ground nurses out of 15.

Tests that are fast and effective are needed asap for NHS key workers so they can do the right thing in isolation terms. she could be back at work tomorrow if they did


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 09:35:09
Tests that are fast and effective are needed asap for NHS key workers so they can do the right thing in isolation terms. she could be back at work tomorrow if they did
This 100%.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 10:26:57
my sister, whose a nurse, has a tight chest and minor cough.


Hope she's ok Batch.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 10:34:10
Thanks. She's fine so far. Probably not even CV  anyway


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 10:44:33
Just been Morrisons. Well it really ain't sinking in. Mother's with young kids running free. Workers stood next to each other. None of them wearing gloves. Woman walked right up behind me by self service till and I told her to move away. The look she gave me soapy tit wank.
We are fucked. We really are


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 10:47:08
Just been Morrisons. Well it really ain't sinking in. Mother's with young kids running free. Workers stood next to each other. None of them wearing gloves. Woman walked right up behind me by self service till and I told her to move away. The look she gave me soapy tit wank.
We are fucked. We really are

Did our food shop earlier. Everyone keeping a respectable distance. Queues were full of people standing far apart. Everyone very sensible. Maybe it's just Swindon?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 10:48:12
Did our food shop earlier. Everyone keeping a respectable distance. Queues were full of people standing far apart. Everyone very sensible. Maybe it's just Swindon?

To be fair most were being sensible. Some of the staff, worryingly seem the most oblivious


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 10:48:44
Hope your sis will be ok batch 👍


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 10:51:51
A very close friend has now come down as confirmed with it, luckily I haven't seen her for about 4 weeks.

Shes luckily fairly fit and healthy so it shouldnt be a problem, but the net is closing in on so many people who are vulnerable, she works as a driver for special needs and disabled children, that does not bode well for so many high risk people.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:00:31
I saw this view fom the OU regarding when the virus may have hit the UK posted elsewhere today and brought this to mind.

My son who is 42 lives and works in London and commutes on the tube every day. In the middle of January he came down with a hacking cough, a very tight chest (which left him breathless) and lasted a week. In in his words it was the worst feeling being ill than he had ever experienced before. At the same time two other people in his office suffered very similar illnesses. With hindsight it could well have been flu and the only way to know if it was Coronavirus is that he gets tested to find out, which is a bit unlikely given the current situation. 

I experienced similar having come back from Spain between Xmas and NY. I am vulnerable to such infections but this one was much worse. On reflection I had all the symptoms. I hope it ain't all my fault!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:17:20
Meanwhile, in Bangkok:

(https://i.imgur.com/RIrx0V7.jpg)

I expect a lot of the Bangkok population have head for the hills (paddy fields) by now. Taking the lurgy with them, no doubt.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:26:21
I experienced similar having come back from Spain between Xmas and NY. I am vulnerable to such infections but this one was much worse. On reflection I had all the symptoms. I hope it ain't all my fault!

Yep had this locally in Swindon and family and a number of friends also. So what was this? I had the flu jab as well!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:31:23
I see Prince Charles has it now.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:33:22
I see Prince Charles has it now.

Oooh.

Is he staying with Phil and her maj? You'd think Phil would be a goner for sure if he gets it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:38:28
Oooh.

Is he staying with Phil and her maj? You'd think Phil would be a goner for sure if he gets it.

They left to Balmoral yesterday, rather ignoring the guidance about people not fleeing for remote parts of Scotland...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:40:12
Yep had this locally in Swindon and family and a number of friends also. So what was this? I had the flu jab as well!

That's the point, without testing who knows.

Testing en-mass seems unlikely. But that kind of data is going to be critical in determining the long term planning, and probably in medium/short term too.

The thing I would say is they must know if the death rate spiked earlier in the year, even if they wern't testing for Coronavirus/COVID-19/SARS-Cov-2


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:46:58
Wonder if they could do it by post? Like a self test kit?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: brocklesby red on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:47:31
Just got back from Selbymart where you have to stop in your vehicle while the market staff unload your trailer, then at arms length a gloved hand collects paperwork. Stopped in Snaith to buy some sausages and bacon where you queued 2n apart on the pavement, sanitised as you entered and stood in a marked area to place your order and pay by card. All very sensible but when I got back to the village , there were two vans of contractors parked next to each other so they could talk. Probably a foot apart, two in each vehicle


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 11:59:11
Wonder if they could do it by post? Like a self test kit?

Moot point. They are on order. We physically don't have them yet

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/matt-hancock-35m-coronavirus-test-kits-are-on-the-way-to-the-nhs

This is the test to tell if you've had it already and are (at least for now) immune


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:15:59
There must be thousands - probably millions - of people who have had it and put it down to a seasonal bug.

According to reports the first spate of the, as then unknown, illness was around 12 December. So go back a bit for when it was actually contracted and itís around the beginning of December.

From that time until it was actually recognised as a new strain and likely to become pandemic, there must have been huge numbers of people infected without knowing it - spreading it all over the world.

There are some anomalies I donít quite understand. Why is it so rampant in Spain but very low numbers in neighbouring Portugal? Greece has low numbers as have the countries directly bordering Greece to the north - Albania, Bulgaria and the Slavic countries.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:27:01
There must be thousands - probably millions - of people who have had it and put it down to a seasonal bug.

According to reports the first spate of the, as then unknown, illness was around 12 December. So go back a bit for when it was actually contracted and itís around the beginning of December.

From that time until it was actually recognised as a new strain and likely to become pandemic, there must have been huge numbers of people infected without knowing it - spreading it all over the world.

There are some anomalies I donít quite understand. Why is it so rampant in Spain but very low numbers in neighbouring Portugal? Greece has low numbers as have the countries directly bordering Greece to the north - Albania, Bulgaria and the Slavic countries.

Not forgetting Russia!!  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:34:38

There are some anomalies I donít quite understand. Why is it so rampant in Spain but very low numbers in neighbouring Portugal? Greece has low numbers as have the countries directly bordering Greece to the north - Albania, Bulgaria and the Slavic countries.

Not sure if it is still more common in countries around The Med, but maybe extended families living together might have contributed to increasing the rate of spread?
Didn't the countries bordering Greece to the north all close their borders at the time of the migrant crisis.
Not sure if that is still the case?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:35:58
oh dear https://twitter.com/i/status/1242529326735732739


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:37:38
Prince Charles tests positive.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:39:54
Another business to add to the list of shitheads who won't be getting any of my money along with Wetherspoons, Virgin etc for when this is all over: Travelodge evicting homeless families, against govt advice, with nowhere else for them to go to, and giving local authorities only a few hours' notice to try and arrange alternative accomodation. Class.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:00:11
I saw this view fom the OU regarding when the virus may have hit the UK posted elsewhere today and brought this to mind.

My son who is 42 lives and works in London and commutes on the tube every day. In the middle of January he came down with a hacking cough, a very tight chest (which left him breathless) and lasted a week. In in his words it was the worst feeling being ill than he had ever experienced before. At the same time two other people in his office suffered very similar illnesses. With hindsight it could well have been flu and the only way to know if it was Coronavirus is that he gets tested to find out, which is a bit unlikely given the current situation. 

Almost exactly the same experience here. About 10 days, over Christmas, I was the most ill I'd ever been. Huge spiking fever, tight chest, breathing problems.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:09:47
Prince Charles tests positive.

That will be a first the miserable old fucker


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:10:37
Public Health England publish flu stats for 2019-2020.  The latest report states that by week 3 of January 2020, "no statistically significant excess all-cause mortality by week of death had been seen yet overall or by age group in England this season".

If the coronavirus was widely circulating in December and January in the UK, surely that would have impacted the mortality rate?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:12:10
you'd think so. unless it mutated to something more deadly.

I don't know if that is possible or hasn't already been dismissed.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:24:13
I was sick at Christmas and New Year. It wasn't terrible, but it was enough to keep me in.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:36:39
Public Health England publish flu stats for 2019-2020.  The latest report states that by week 3 of January 2020, "no statistically significant excess all-cause mortality by week of death had been seen yet overall or by age group in England this season".

If the coronavirus was widely circulating in December and January in the UK, surely that would have impacted the mortality rate?

I think that the problem is that the excess winter deaths annually are so variable (can more than double or halve year on year) that it is difficult to spot the impact of a new killer unless the volumes are massive or it happens to hit in a high flu death year.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:44:38
you'd think so. unless it mutated to something more deadly.

I don't know if that is possible or hasn't already been dismissed.

I thought that one of the standard characteristics of viruses is that whilst they can mutate to vaccine-resistant strains  they invariably mutate to less deadly strains.  Or is that more bollocks that I heard somewhere and now think is a fact?



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:49:15
they invariably mutate to less deadly strains.  Or is that more bollocks that I heard somewhere and now think is a fact?


I read the same.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 13:53:43
I was sick at Christmas and New Year. It wasn't terrible, but it was enough to keep me in.
Similar. Put it down to catching a bug from the grandson who had just started nursery.

Had an annoying tickly cough for 3 weeks, bit lethargic and a bit short of breath. Not enough to keep me from doing things, just felt a bit run down.

The course of the virus is about 3 weeks from catching it and getting better (or dying).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 14:16:21
I think that the problem is that the excess winter deaths annually are so variable (can more than double or halve year on year) that it is difficult to spot the impact of a new killer unless the volumes are massive or it happens to hit in a high flu death year.


Yes, I know what you mean. But the majority of over 70s have an annual flu jab, which would have had no effect on the virus. So, if it was widespread, you would think there would still be a statistically significant spike from, say, November when flu is still killing people and causing admissions.

Iím not trying to be smart because wtf do any of us really know. I sincerely hope the virus was spreading like wildfire in December because itíll mean far less people die.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 14:16:35
good point pax about variability...


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 14:46:51
I thought that one of the standard characteristics of viruses is that whilst they can mutate to vaccine-resistant strains  they invariably mutate to less deadly strains.  Or is that more bollocks that I heard somewhere and now think is a fact?
No that is true (says the eminent virologist!). This was explained on an episode of the Infinite Monkey Cage which I listened to long before the Covid-19 outbreak, but annoyingly can't find it now. Viruses will mutate to both more and less deadly strains, but the less deadly strain will quickly become more prevalent through natural selection as the more deadly strain kills a higher proportion of it's hosts, thus limiting it's ability to propagate. Whereas the milder strain can also propagate undetected, as with Covid-19 where lots of people have it with fairly mild or even no symptoms, so go merrily about their way spreading it to the uninfected. It's one of the reasons why Ebola, although far more deadly than Covid-19, is easier to contain. If we ever encounter one that's highly infectious in a pre-symptomatic stage but has an Ebola style fatality, we're really fucked.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:04:51
Fucking hell

https://twitter.com/ahmedbaba_/status/1242539693423636487?s=21


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:06:22
Antibody test could be widely available as soon as next week apparently, according to the editor of the times on twitter

Would be available through amazon or by going to boots/chemist (Iím guessing this bit is probably less set in stone)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:10:39
You'd need to make sure it goes on record, that you are immune.  That's how you can begin a planned return to activity.  China are giving people Green QR codes to display if questioned - it's all going to end-up like something right out of a film no matter what approach is taken I guess.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:17:07
Is there going to be a point where governments decide the economic damage is worse than the actual virus and just return to our daily routines?

Survival of the fittest at its most brutal? Hospitals are already deciding not to treat older virus patients in favour of younger ones.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:32:28
I notice news reports keep on saying her Maj is in good health, but no mention of whether she has the virus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:33:41
Bet Charles is trying to shower her with hugs and kisses (and coughs).


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:38:37
I notice news reports keep on saying her Maj is in good health, but no mention of whether she has the virus.
Interesting, if indeed her maj and Chas do have the disease and expire from it then that will be a Harry stepping up to the plate far earlier than anticipated.

There are a lot of variables in there of course but that would be a huge turn around in a short period of time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:39:22
Bet Charles is trying to shower her with hugs and kisses (and coughs).
He is 71 himself so right in the "at risk" list himself.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:40:29
He is 71 himself so right in the "at risk" list himself.

I think he was born in 1947 PV


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:42:17
Interesting, if indeed her maj and Chas do have the disease and expire from it then that will be a Harry stepping up to the plate far earlier than anticipated.

There are a lot of variables in there of course but that would be a huge turn around in a short period of time.
If enough of us are wiped out, you might be in line yourself!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:42:28
I think he was born in 1947 PV
November 14, 1948.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:43:16
If enough of us are wiped out, you might be in line yourself!
I would abdicate and let my son take over :D


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 15:44:58
Sir Richie Wellens first!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 16:03:29
November 14, 1948.

Ah, of course. The Queen and Philip were married in 1947.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 16:10:59
I'll be well pissed off if the Queen dies and we get our day of mourning in lockdown.

(too much?)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 16:31:45
I'll be well pissed off if the Queen dies and we get our day of mourning in lockdown.

(too much?)
:D


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 16:36:10
Interesting, if indeed her maj and Chas do have the disease and expire from it then that will be a Harry stepping up to the plate far earlier than anticipated.

There are a lot of variables in there of course but that would be a huge turn around in a short period of time.

William and his kids might have something to say about that.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 17:05:52
New York State confirm 5000 more cases in a single day


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 17:16:27
Fucking hell

https://twitter.com/ahmedbaba_/status/1242539693423636487?s=21

Trump is like the leader of a cult. Heíll get those churches packed, the infection will spread exponentially but heíll be fine with it if the Dow Jones goes up.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 17:21:04
You'd need to make sure it goes on record, that you are immune. 

But the science is yet to prove you would be immune. The New Scientist published details of patients in Japan and China believed to have become infected a second time.
Like another coronavirus- the common cold - there may not be immunity just degrees of tolerance.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 17:28:04
Is there going to be a point where governments decide the economic damage is worse than the actual virus and just return to our daily routines?
That's pretty much literally word for word what Trump said yesterday. Wants everyone back at work in 3 weeks and the churches packed for Easter.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 17:32:18
Antibody test could be widely available as soon as next week apparently, according to the editor of the times on twitter

Would be available through amazon or by going to boots/chemist (Iím guessing this bit is probably less set in stone)
Being reported in the Graun now, initially to people in self-isolation, although how they're going to police distribution is anyone's guess. If the panic buying of bog rolls etc is anything to go by, there'll be a mad rush of thousands of the selfish healthy and the kits will run out in hours. Hopefully they at least reserve enough for NHS and social care staff and supermarket workers etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 19:10:13
You'd need to make sure it goes on record, that you are immune.  That's how you can begin a planned return to activity.  China are giving people Green QR codes to display if questioned - it's all going to end-up like something right out of a film no matter what approach is taken I guess.

Logan's Run.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 19:21:18
A member of Morrisonís staff verbally abused my wife today for shopping before work. Literally to the point where she wanted to cry. Apparently she wasnít helping matters and was spreading the virus. I am awaiting a response from them.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 19:28:30
A member of Morrisonís staff verbally abused my wife today for shopping before work. Literally to the point where she wanted to cry. Apparently she wasnít helping matters and was spreading the virus. I am awaiting a response from them.

I'd be tempted to go to the adver, show the shallow-minded cunts up for what they are.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 19:30:15
Being reported in the Graun now, initially to people in self-isolation, although how they're going to police distribution is anyone's guess. If the panic buying of bog rolls etc is anything to go by, there'll be a mad rush of thousands of the selfish healthy and the kits will run out in hours. Hopefully they at least reserve enough for NHS and social care staff and supermarket workers etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days

Johnson said they wouldnít be available next online next week. Itís the right way to do it - it needs to be a controlled release of the tests, to those who need it most first.

I donít think it should be available for people to buy. Give it to key workers and healthcare workers first, then distribute by postcode. If the results are particularly strong one way or another you probably wonít even need to distribute to everybody


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 19:31:16
I donít think sheís want the hassle, oh and the arms crossed photo.

She was proper upset. Undeserved. She only went in, because the shops are shut by the time she finishes. She bought coffee, cereals, some biscuits and crisps. That was it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 19:58:22
Quote from: Sippo
A member of Morrisonís staff verbally abused my wife today for shopping before work. Literally to the point where she wanted to cry. Apparently she wasnít helping matters and was spreading the virus. I am awaiting a response from them.

that's just odd. why did they?

was it NHS or vulnerable hour or something.

even if it was, there's a way to politely point it out


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 20:03:09
Was NHS hour. Really abnoxious person apparently. Not good is it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 20:03:33
does your Mrs work for the NHS?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 20:03:52
Yes


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 20:04:24
then that's just fucking odd. no, not good


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 20:08:14
Probably the daft cow who was chatting to her mate when I went on there. Not the brightest some of them.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 20:10:46
Some people are just selfish, ignorant and damn right disgusting.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 20:26:47
A member of Morrisonís staff verbally abused my wife today for shopping before work. Literally to the point where she wanted to cry. Apparently she wasnít helping matters and was spreading the virus. I am awaiting a response from them.
That's fucking appalling mate. Please reassure your missus that most of us really appreciate the effort she and her colleagues are putting in and the risks they are taking. Despite some ignorant twats


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 20:29:05
Everyone's judging everyone else now ain't they. Gonna get worse too I think.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 21:12:17
That's fucking appalling mate. Please reassure your missus that most of us really appreciate the effort she and her colleagues are putting in and the risks they are taking. Despite some ignorant twats

After a 10 hour shift, she came home and burst into tears. I am furious.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 21:15:48
After a 10 hour shift, she came home and burst into tears. I am furious.
So you bloody should be. But being furious probably isn't what your missus needs right now. A bit of TLC and a chance to unload and unwind will probably help her more I'd guess.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 21:20:17
Trump is like the leader of a cult. Heíll get those churches packed, the infection will spread exponentially but heíll be fine with it if the Dow Jones goes up.
and his haircut is " a bit iffy"


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adje on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 21:45:35
Everyone's judging everyone else now ain't they. Gonna get worse too I think.
Yep, the moral high ground is getting mighty crowded


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 21:53:01
on a lighter note, buttcon has been set 5.

I think I have found some toilet roll ..


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 21:57:12
on a lighter note, buttcon has been set 5.

I think I have found some toilet roll ..

Co-op usually has them early doors, so I was informed .
Luckily for us, my mrs always keeps a stock.
Have put some down in tomorrow's tesco delivery.
Will be surprised if they are delivered tho.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 22:02:04
I'm surprised it's still an issue. I guess people who didn't stockpile are low now so getting a healthy supply themselves

we are, though that's a consequence of Amazon selling them in 36 tools rather than a conscious decision


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 22:41:41
That's fucking appalling mate. Please reassure your missus that most of us really appreciate the effort she and her colleagues are putting in and the risks they are taking. Despite some ignorant twats

Thatís a CrazySexyCool idea :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 22:59:45
So you bloody should be. But being furious probably isn't what your missus needs right now. A bit of TLC and a chance to unload and unwind will probably help her more I'd guess.

A big glass of red helped her.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 23:06:08
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=251445655877936&id=100030375098154

This is fucking scary. And this is the reality


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 09:54:33
According to the Regulations, staff canteens (except for hospitals, care homes or schools), should have been shut from Saturday as per pubs etc.

Those managers keeping it open and instructing your wife to work committed a criminal offence.

See schedule Part 1
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/327/made

The response to this is that it doesn't apply to them. They've now decided it's under Key Staff guidelines. They'll be keeping these staff in regardless.

The other day they stuck 3 of them in a minibus to deliver breakfast pastries to Manchester. Then they came back and went back to Manchester again with sandwiches.

There's talk of a load of staff being sent to Liverpool now. Again all going there and back in a fucking minibus. The bosses are cunts.

This is making me seethe. I don't know how they can get away with running these food outlets. (They don't run the restaurants anymore, just coffee shops and snack shops...)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 10:08:49
If any one wants to carry on playing FM20 for free. Just take your device offline and set your date back.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 10:11:14
Question about Mortgage holidays? Looks like my company will be cutting salaries very soon. Its allready happened in out US HQ so only a matter of time.
Do you need to provide proof of this to apply for a mortgage holiday?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 10:29:35
here is Barclays FAQ, but your own provider may have different ways of dealing.. check website?

https://www.barclays.co.uk/coronavirus/mortgages/


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 10:33:36
here is Barclays FAQ, but your own provider may have different ways of dealing.. check website?

https://www.barclays.co.uk/coronavirus/mortgages/
Cheers batch, my providers website just says "criteria needs to be met" but doesn't go into detail. There is not online form either. I'll just have to call them when i know whats happening.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 11:05:18
Need to say something positive as I've only been doom and gloom lately.
 Been down to liden shops to return train tickets at the post office. Very strict there with people only allowed in when told to enter. Sanitizer and gloves available too. Staff very conscientious and giving clear instructions. Stay back etc.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 11:19:40
The response to this is that it doesn't apply to them. They've now decided it's under Key Staff guidelines. They'll be keeping these staff in regardless.

The other day they stuck 3 of them in a minibus to deliver breakfast pastries to Manchester. Then they came back and went back to Manchester again with sandwiches.

There's talk of a load of staff being sent to Liverpool now. Again all going there and back in a fucking minibus. The bosses are cunts.

This is making me seethe. I don't know how they can get away with running these food outlets. (They don't run the restaurants anymore, just coffee shops and snack shops...)

What type of workers are they delivering food to Barry?
Is your wife still having to work?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 11:52:31
What type of workers are they delivering food to Barry?
Is your wife still having to work?

Call centre staff and other people within Barclays. Don't know what the rest do I'm afraid.

She is still working, but she spends most of her time (at the moment) in the office as there's now no restaurant for her to manage. She's also outright told managers above her she won't be leaving her site to do any of this pointless shit they've found for the minimum wage staff.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:05:21
Need to say something positive as I've only been doom and gloom lately.
 Been down to liden shops to return train tickets at the post office. Very strict there with people only allowed in when told to enter. Sanitizer and gloves available too. Staff very conscientious and giving clear instructions. Stay back etc.

I did first proper food shop for a week or so this morning.

Totally different experience from a week ago. Tesco only letting certain amount in the store at once, queuing outside at 2 metre intervals. All very civil, nobody moaning, I sensed a certain degree of community spirit.

There does seem to be a tendency to focus on stories relating to the actions of a minority of dickheads who think they are above the rules. Shit loads of good examples of the community spirit in action going on at the moment.


Title: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:05:33
Quote
There's talk of a load of staff being sent to Liverpool now. Again all going there and back in a fucking minibus. The bosses are cunts.
Fucking imbeciles.

I know he's a cunt, but Piers Morgan has a bee in his bonnet on this kind of pointless work. May be worth twittering him...

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1242439584425947136?s=19


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:10:59
Fucking imbeciles.

I know he's a cunt, but Piers Morgan has a bee in his bonnet on this kind of pointless work. May be worth twittering him...

Annoyingly Piers Morgan has been saying some very sensible stuff on Twitter and actually using his platform positively for once. *he says through gritted teeth*


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:12:24
I donít think itís dawned on a lot of people just what the long term will be. Iím sure a lot think itís just like staying indoors whilst a terrible storm is passing outside - when itís gone itíll be safe to go outside again.

This lockdown doesnít stop people getting the virus - it just stops them getting it now.

They reckon, eventually, 80% of the population will contract the virus at some time as restrictions are lifted.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:26:23
Call centre staff and other people within Barclays. Don't know what the rest do I'm afraid.

She is still working, but she spends most of her time (at the moment) in the office as there's now no restaurant for her to manage. She's also outright told managers above her she won't be leaving her site to do any of this pointless shit they've found for the minimum wage staff.

The Government has now published supplementary guidance which waters down the strict prohibition in the actual Regulations. It says:

Cafťs and canteens at hospitals, police and fire service places of work, care homes or schools; prison and military canteens; services providing food or drink to the homeless.  (Can remain open)

Where there are no practical alternatives, other workplace canteens can remain open to provide food for their staff and/or provide a space for breaks. However, where possible, staff should be encouraged to bring their own food, and distributors should move to takeaway. Measures should be taken to minimise the number of people in the canteen / break space at any one given time, for example by using a rota.

Thereís now enough grey area for some employers to exploit should they choose to. As you said the other day, surely bank staff can bring their own pack lunch.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:28:07
I donít think itís dawned on a lot of people just what the long term will be. Iím sure a lot think itís just like staying indoors whilst a terrible storm is passing outside - when itís gone itíll be safe to go outside again.

This lockdown doesnít stop people getting the virus - it just stops them getting it now.

They reckon, eventually, 80% of the population will contract the virus at some time as restrictions are lifted.

I had the same thought. Until a vaccine is developed, how are older people and those with health risks going to be able to leave the house with any confidence.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:32:06
And who is going to get any vaccine first. The old? The already ill?

The cost of the lockdown will be mitigated by letting the old and ill take their chances. Less pensions, less social care, less strain on the NHS.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:40:26
And who is going to get any vaccine first. The old? The already ill?

The cost of the lockdown will be mitigated by letting the old and ill take their chances. Less pensions, less social care, less strain on the NHS.
I am guessing that if there is a vaccine then the health care workers and those deemed in the highest risk from the disease will be first, followed by the other emegency services then the old and everyone else followed on afterwards.

Just my probably ill educated guess.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 12:42:04
Just plain evil.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52048308


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 13:17:18
And who is going to get any vaccine first. The old? The already ill?

The cost of the lockdown will be mitigated by letting the old and ill take their chances. Less pensions, less social care, less strain on the NHS.

Vacines don't work if you already have it?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 13:21:55
Vacines don't work if you already have it?
Indeed, its a vaccine not a remedy, prevention rather than cure.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 13:55:50
Interesting.

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-navy-shadows-russian-warships-after-high-levels-of-activity-in-channel-and-north-sea-11963865


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 14:02:20
Interesting.

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-navy-shadows-russian-warships-after-high-levels-of-activity-in-channel-and-north-sea-11963865

What that doesnít say Is thats what happened 7 days ago!


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 14:08:42
There might be higher levels of activity than usual, according to the article, but other than that this happens all the time. It has done for years.

The press also likes to get in a tizz from time to time when our jets have to intercept Russian bombers. Again, it happens all the time. They even wave to each other.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 14:18:42
It does indeed happen all the time, I know this from having a fair few friends in the RAF and Navy based at Yeovilton, its unusual to make the press though.

The last time they came round the UK like this we were on a high alert and all leave was cancelled, the UK government IS taking the threat from Russia seriously.

I see several posts stating that despite their size that Russia have an incredibly low rate of Covid19 with just 658 cases and only 3 deaths in a population of 145m people. Thats probably more to do with not having open borders as we have in europe and there is a lack in freedom of movement.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: REDBUCK on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 14:32:14
I am guessing that if there is a vaccine then the health care workers and those deemed in the highest risk from the disease will be first, followed by the other emegency services then the old and everyone else followed on afterwards.

Just my probably ill educated guess.



Not at all, this is surely the sensible view and you'd think testing, when they finally arrive, will follow a similar pattern. NHS, Care Workers and at Risk Members of the public first.

It's a better view than the Government is trying to kill off the elderly


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 14:49:47
Clap for carers at 8pm tonight continental style


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 15:08:07
Our clap for the health workers and the police is ace in my little street. All the little kids who havenít seen each other for 2 weeks are all shouting to each other. The clap itself lasts about 3 or 4 minutes then someone in the street plays a tune really loud and everyone sings 😀 last night it was Queen - I want to break free !


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 15:18:32
"We'll do whatever it takes to defeat coronavirus". Except join in a joint procurement scheme with the EU to secure ventilators which would see us being able to get them quicker and cheaper than trying to manufacture our own from scratch.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/pm-accused-of-putting-brexit-over-breathing-by-not-joining-eu-ventilator-scheme

Literally putting Brexit ahead of people's lives. Absolutely criminal.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 16:26:57
Clap for carers at 8pm tonight continental style

How long do you clap for?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 16:46:50
How long do you clap for?
As long as you want/can I guess


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 16:49:01
"The government has said it is currently changing the way deaths are recorded."
Wonder if that means they will be fiddled?


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 17:09:53
No sure if its been mentioned but PornHub premuim is now free in the UK.
Just what i've heard/........


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 17:10:31
.........I see several posts stating that despite their size that Russia have an incredibly low rate of Covid19 with just 658 cases and only 3 deaths in a population of 145m people. Thats probably more to do with not having open borders as we have in europe and there is a lack in freedom of movement.

It is very strange. Plenty of Costa Blanca properties were sold to the Russians, the builders even adapted to their style to suit because of the demand. Driving down the N332 coastal road from Alicante loads of billboards were/are written in Russian.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 17:48:29
It does indeed happen all the time, I know this from having a fair few friends in the RAF and Navy based at Yeovilton, its unusual to make the press though.

The last time they came round the UK like this we were on a high alert and all leave was cancelled, the UK government IS taking the threat from Russia seriously.

I see several posts stating that despite their size that Russia have an incredibly low rate of Covid19 with just 658 cases and only 3 deaths in a population of 145m people. Thats probably more to do with not having open borders as we have in europe and there is a lack in freedom of movement.
Or Russia are just not reporting real figures.... Putin and his propaganda machine wouldnít want to show any sign of weakness in his leadership.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 18:05:39
Well, I've been officially furloughed from the end of next week until the end of May. On full pay though, which is good of the company. Funny really, being suspended on full pay would have been the absolute dream a month ago.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 18:19:44
All systems go for me by the looks of it, I even had (unrequested) reassurances from my main client last night.

It looks as though I'm about to be as busy as I've ever been over the coming weeks and months. Which I am grateful for, but I am a tad envious of those that get (paid) time off.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 18:27:46
Well, I've been officially furloughed from the end of next week until the end of May. On full pay though, which is good of the company. Funny really, being suspended on full pay would have been the absolute dream a month ago.
Looks like i'm set for a 10-20% salary cut, which make loads of sense being in IT and the past 2 weeks I've probably given the company 20-30% extra of my time and am probably expected to keep doing so to help keep the ship afloat. No chance.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StefPol on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 18:58:45
Looks like the self employed will pay more national insurance in the future. About time.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 19:06:56
"The government has said it is currently changing the way deaths are recorded."
Wonder if that means they will be fiddled?

More than 100 deaths today


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 19:19:54
More than 100 deaths today
113 apparently today taking the total to 578 deaths in total.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: REDBUCK on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 19:24:36
"The government has said it is currently changing the way deaths are recorded."
Wonder if that means they will be fiddled?

Nope, according to rhe radio they are going to change the reporting period so that when they report at the end of the day it covers a 24 hour period. Yesterdays figures were slightly low whilst they swapped over. Hence the bigger jump today.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: REDBUCK on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 19:27:53
Looks like i'm set for a 10-20% salary cut, which make loads of sense being in IT and the past 2 weeks I've probably given the company 20-30% extra of my time and am probably expected to keep doing so to help keep the ship afloat. No chance.

That's the spirit


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 19:57:39
For shame. Number of intensive care beds per 100,000 people

Lithuania 634.4
Germany 620.8
Bulgaria 595.0
Austria 580.0
Belgium 567.3
Slovakia 491.3
Poland 487.7
Hungary 428.9
France 428.0
Czechia 425.0
Slovenia 423.0
Luxembourg 419.0
Romania 402.6
Croatia 398.8
Switzerland 375.1
Estonia 366.5
Greece 346.3
Norway 342.5
Cyprus 341.3
Netherlands 332.4
Portugal 325.1
Finland 307.6
Italy 274.6
Denmark 261.7
Israel 240.6
Ireland 240.4
Spain 238.5
Sweden 234.5
UK 227.8


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:09:55
#austerity


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:10:23
That's the spirit
Iíve none of that left.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:19:43
Looks like the self employed will pay more national insurance in the future. About time.
oh well, I will just do a few more cash in hand jobs to make it up :smugfu:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:26:52
Or Russia are just not reporting real figures.... Putin and his propaganda machine wouldnít want to show any sign of weakness in his leadership.
Exactly this


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:28:57
Credit where it's due. Rishi Sunak has been one of the few ministers (in fact the only one I can think of, but leaving some slack in case I've been unfair to anyone, certainly the only major dept head) to consistently look like he knows what he's doing in this crisis. Ironically given he's the newest member of the govt, he's the only senior minister who doesn't look like he's completely out of his depth.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StefPol on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:38:24
oh well, I will just do a few more cash in hand jobs to make it up :smugfu:

Thatís whatís great about this. All those self employed people who have underdeclared their profits in prior years are now potentially getting 80% of a lower amount.

Iím happy as guaranteed to get my usual salary at the end of the month with pension and donít have to wait till June to get a hand out.  😉


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:44:38
Thatís whatís great about this. All those self employed people who have underdeclared their profits in prior years are now potentially getting 80% of a lower amount.
Don't think this is really the time for snark. A lot of people worried about how they're going to put food on the table, sniding at the self-employed on the spurious grounds they're all on the fiddle is up there with those that want clampdowns on benifits claimaints because they're all sat round lording it up on "our" tax money.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:46:29
oh well, I will just do a few more cash in hand jobs to make it up :smugfu:
Make sure you wear gloves.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:48:04
Thatís whatís great about this. All those self employed people who have underdeclared their profits in prior years are now potentially getting 80% of a lower amount.

Iím happy as guaranteed to get my usual salary at the end of the month with pension and donít have to wait till June to get a hand out.  😉
good for you, never let a virus get in the way of worrying about other peoples finances


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:48:47
Make sure you wear gloves.
:)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StefPol on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 20:54:49
good for you, never let a virus get in the way of worrying about other peoples finances

Iím an accountant so Iíve been dealing with clients all day giving advice on what financial measures are in place to help them out. I just find it ironic as lots of clients have been ďcleverĒ in the past by under declaring their income being self employed. As a result they are now getting lower handouts from HMRC. Also the extra tax they should have paid could be of use to the NHS now and our general economy in general.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 21:13:17
Iím an accountant so Iíve been dealing with clients all day giving advice on what financial measures are in place to help them out. I just find it ironic as lots of clients have been ďcleverĒ in the past by under declaring their income being self employed. As a result they are now getting lower handouts from HMRC. Also the extra tax they should have paid could be of use to the NHS now and our general economy in general.
shouldn't you have advised your clients this was not good practice :facepalm:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StefPol on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 21:16:35
shouldn't you have advised your clients this was not good practice :facepalm:


Yes I do but unfortunately there are people out there who thinks itís clever to do cash in hand jobs to help pay their tax 😉


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 21:32:03
That clapping this evening was amazing - reminded me why I love this country so much.
We can get through this.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: woolster on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 21:32:59
Yes I do but unfortunately there are people out there who thinks itís clever to do cash in hand jobs to help pay their tax 😉
Martin Lewis is on now, he knows his stuff :toocool:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 21:44:50
That clapping this evening was amazing - reminded me why I love this country so much.
We can get through this.
  Gutted I missed this. I was getting a bit of shopping for my parents as they can't go out :(


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 22:09:45
bugger. I forgot


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 22:14:42
Germany testing 500,000 people a week

● UK has tested 90,000 overall

● Covid death toll Germany 200 (population 83 million) 

● Covid death toll UK 580
(Population 65 million)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 22:21:20
● Covid death toll UK 580
That we know about. They're not picking up all the ones who die at home or in nursing homes as confirmed COVID-19 cases so they're going down as pneumonia or underlying conditions. They're only testing people in hospitals.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 22:43:00
Thought Iíd sign up for one of those groups which was apparently intended a resource to help vulnerable people, identify those who might need some shopping etc.

Itís not, itís full of nosey curtain twitching wannabe vigilantes who I swear are going out all day just so they can report on a family walking in a park, or a single mum taking her kids to the shop, or 109 other things where someone probably hadnít done anything wrong.

These people are literally the worst.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 22:47:52
Do you/they dress as Ninja's?  You should.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Mother Brown on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 22:53:59
That clapping this evening was amazing - reminded me why I love this country so much.
We can get through this.
Give a carer the clap  :headhurts:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 22:55:08
Do you/they dress as Ninja's?  You should.

Coincidentally Rob, I tried to turn my phone into a makeshift gopro/head camera today. My first attempt was to tie it to my forehead with an old dressing gown cord. It didn't really work.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 26, 2020, 22:59:49
Although this virus is horrible and we have a long way to go yet, I'm hopeful tonight that we can heal our broken nation. Years of hate and division can be beaten by decency, care and compassion. Jeez, even the Tory party are coming across as socialist's. There is hope and for now I back the current government. We must put aside political allegiances for the good of the nation.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 27, 2020, 07:57:13
Nobody has given a thought to the thieves, burglars and shoplifters. How are they supposed to earn a crust with people at home and shop numbers limited.

Maybe the government could come up with a scheme.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 27, 2020, 08:05:54
Nobody has given a thought to the thieves, burglars and shoplifters. How are they supposed to earn a crust with people at home and shop numbers limited.

Maybe the government could come up with a scheme.

I had the dealers in mind the other day.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tans on Friday, March 27, 2020, 08:06:50
Coincidentally Rob, I tried to turn my phone into a makeshift gopro/head camera today. My first attempt was to tie it to my forehead with an old dressing gown cord. It didn't really work.



I love you Ben :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Friday, March 27, 2020, 08:19:42
Trump says that the US churches will be packed by Easter.

Corbyn says that Sunak's emergency coronavirus spending proves that his 2019 election expenditure proposals were correct.

Thank god we didn't elect our village idiot.

In contrast, the trades unions are working proactively and positively with the government, ignoring huge ideological differences with a prime minister & cabinet who at best could be generously described as unproven and whose predecessors are at least partly responsible for our difficulties in coping with this pandemic, because that is in the best interests of the UK people.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pax Romana on Friday, March 27, 2020, 08:25:34
Luckily my wife reminded me about the 8pm clap.

My road is pretty quiet at the best of times so wasn't sure if anyone would be out.  Completely wrong.  Everyone was.

My next door neighbour, who I suspect pisses rose-water rather than urine, was banging her pan as if her life depended on it.

Friends up the road have a daughter who is a newly qualified doctor.  Wife was crying.

Very moving.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 27, 2020, 08:29:45
bugger. I forgot

It seems most in my street and surrounding area did too  ::)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 27, 2020, 11:04:47
Clap was well observed in our quiet lane, every house out. I got a bit carried away and managed a couple of cheers of "You Meeeeeeds!!" to the amusement of my lads, the irritation of my missus and the general bafflement of our neighbours. The two runners who ran past as we were halfway through must have felt like they were doing the final section of a marathon as every house clapped them down the lane :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 27, 2020, 11:25:02
Our street gave it a good go as well, pleased to report. Also saw a fella on the top deck of an almost empty 137 bus applauding wildly as it went past :)


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tails on Friday, March 27, 2020, 11:31:36
Completely forgot about the clap. My headphones were on and I was in a JavaScript related trance. Think my other half was similarly still working so no idea if my street got involved! Glad so many people did and my mate who lives in central Reading showed me a video which looked awesome.

Must remember to join in the next one


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Banker on Friday, March 27, 2020, 12:00:09
Disappointing response in my little part of Peatmoor. Hopefully, we'll step up for the next one.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, March 27, 2020, 12:04:28
Pretty poor on my bit of Wood Street. But then I do live opposite a presumabable empty hotel amongst loads of shut bars and shops.

Could hear a good bit of clapping out the back


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 27, 202