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« Reply #60 on: Today at 07:57:05 »

I doubt Trump wins this time. The middle ground will likely pop out to vote against him, but his ability to motivate a small group of voters canít be ignored.

Given that the US political system is inherently binary - you're blue or red, and that's it - I would imagine that capturing the centre ground would be enough.  The problem for Trump, though, is that he only knows how to talk to the MAGA crowd, and they're in the bag already.  He squeezed through last time by coming 2nd (in terms of votes cast) in a 2 horse race - which is weird in itself.  But you have to hope that if he continues as he is now, he won't be so lucky this November.
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« Reply #61 on: Today at 11:07:39 »

Itís all a bit weird here.  In the town where we live they had a protest in the main square but it was all very civil with Police and Protestors mingling.  Which is weird itself, because overt racism is just around the corner here.  So for anyone wondering why they powder keg set off, itís because there are still plenty of public racists here, itís not a big leap to see some of those people may join the police.

Trump is loved by a small but not insignificant group, usually white and usually no higher than a High School education.  Thatís not a stereotype, itís real.  It is a group that the USA forgot about when all the jobs where automated or offshored.  That is not to say theyíve had it tough, itís a new phenomenon, but it created a sense of being shat on, not unlike the centuries of shit the African Americans have taken to a much worse extent.  You now have two groups fighting to be the ones most downtrodden and itís ugly.

I doubt Trump wins this time. The middle ground will likely pop out to vote against him, but his ability to motivate a small group of voters canít be ignored.
I think you're right, both about the likely outcome in November and a very good analysis of the "two groups fighting to be the ones most downtrodden and itís ugly". The thing is that this genie isn't going back in the bottle. People seem to think that if Trump is defeated in November, that's it, it's all good and we can go back to how everything was before. But it won't. Trump has enabled and emboldened overt racists and white supremacists in a way we've not seen before (or at least not since the 1960s) and they're not going away. That's why the white supremacist/neo-Nazi fringe were so delighted when he won, not because they really thought he'd suddenly immediately enact all their White Power shit, but because they knew he'd given permission for their hatred to go mainstream. That problem will remain whatever happens in November
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« Reply #62 on: Today at 11:17:59 »

People seem to think that if Trump is defeated in November, that's it, it's all good and we can go back to how everything was before. But it won't.

On a more selfish level it is going to royally fuck up the UK considering that our government have pinned their mast to him and this idea that through the links our governments enjoy at the moment we will get a good trade deal (FWIW I don't believe this for a minute).

See also https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dominic-raab-donald-trump-george-floyd_uk_5ed38d32c5b66f44f99c5a1d

The problem for Trump, though, is that he only knows how to talk to the MAGA crowd, and they're in the bag already.

A trait he shared with Jeremy Corbyn.
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« Reply #63 on: Today at 11:47:48 »

On a more selfish level it is going to royally fuck up the UK considering that our government have pinned their mast to him and this idea that through the links our governments enjoy at the moment we will get a good trade deal (FWIW I don't believe this for a minute).
It may spare us from our govt tieing us into a disastrous trade deal with the US which destroys food standards and opens our public services up to pillaging from US mega-corporations.
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« Reply #64 on: Today at 11:52:15 »

One of Trump's latest tweets 'get tough police' I doubt is going to help quell these matters somehow.

What an ass hat.
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« Reply #65 on: Today at 12:43:07 »

Wonder whether Andrew Neill will get the same scrutiny and rebuke from the BBC that Maitlis (And Munchetty before) got?



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« Reply #66 on: Today at 13:04:52 »

Blimey.
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