EU Referendum

[Tails]

I'd be surprised if Corbyn is still in charge of Labour by the next election tbh

[Reg Smeeton]

I'd be surprised if Corbyn is still in charge of Labour by the next election tbh

Think it's very difficult to predict the fall out from this referendum.....first we need to get the result.

[Tails]

If it's close it wouldn't surprise me if we had another general election soon either...

[horlock07]

Neither decision has much to commend it....very much a case of the least worse option.

 Take something, like re-nationalising the railways, a policy which Labour are keen on and surveys say are popular in the country....forbidden by EU rules.

 The Tory Brexit brigade would be very keen on other things like TTIP, which reduce the state to the bare minimum. The EU have been secretly negotiating this and no doubt the Tories will sign up to it...just maybe the French won't.

 The Labour left argument, is that Brexit would enable a Labour government to avoid these EU bankers rules...problem is first you have to win an election with a Corbynite party and there seems to be insufficient chance of that for a lefty to vote out, however tempted by the Benn argument.

Yet the essentially nationalisation of West Ham Utd didn't attract any State Aid implications, amazing what can go against EU policy when the ruling politicians choose to do so, similarly Gove et al want to sort immigration by leaving the EU despite doing next to nothing to address the issue when in government for the last 6 years!

A lot will depend when the election is, if the Tories get their exit and continue to implode I can see an election this year with a surge in the Labour vote from the centre protesting at the Tories royally fucking the whole country over!

Its not just the French who do not want TTIP, the Germans are not keen also (less than 50% of the electorate want it) depends how much Merkel feel she can rock the boast after the immigration debacle.

[pauld]

Doesn't answer the question at all.

Why are there thousands in Calais trying to get into the UK.

You can only apply for asylum once you are physically in the country.

By your own logic, then, following a "Leave" vote, these thousands you are so terrified of would no longer be in Calais, but Dover and applying for asylum here instead. Which I'm guessing is the exact opposite of what you want.

[Only Me]

Voting out for me

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[herthab]

I'm voting In. Nothing the Out campaign has said gives me any confidence that we'd be better off, or more secure, than we are now.

[Ardiles]

By your own logic, then, following a "Leave" vote, these thousands you are so terrified of would no longer be in Calais, but Dover and applying for asylum here instead. Which I'm guessing is the exact opposite of what you want.

I think I read somewhere that the British border controls on French soil in Calais are there because of a bilateral agreement the British and French governments; and not because an EU-led rules.

However, if we did leave, I would imagine that France would be far less inclined to allow us to maintain border controls there.  As you suggest, they would probably wave the migrants across the water, giving us a massive immigration control headache at Dover.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Quoting the final 2 lines of Jim by Belloc seems to sum up the Remainers

'And always keep a-hold of Nurse
For fear of finding something worse. '

[herthab]

Quoting the final 2 lines of Jim by Belloc seems to sum up the Remainers

'And always keep a-hold of Nurse
For fear of finding something worse. '

ROARRRRRR!!

What a cunt.....

[horlock07]

Quoting the final 2 lines of Jim by Belloc seems to sum up the Remainers

'And always keep a-hold of Nurse
For fear of finding something worse. '

I think a quote from Horlock07 better sums it up....

Why the fuck would I commit financial suicide and potentially jeopardise the future economic wellbeing of my family just to further the political ambitions of some right wing politicians and those who blindly follow them for whatever reason.

[pauld]

I think I read somewhere that the British border controls on French soil in Calais are there because of a bilateral agreement the British and French governments; and not because an EU-led rules.

Yes they are

However, if we did leave, I would imagine that France would be far less inclined to allow us to maintain border controls there.  As you suggest, they would probably wave the migrants across the water, giving us a massive immigration control headache at Dover.

Yes they would

[herthab]

I think a quote from Horlock07 better sums it up....

Why the fuck would I commit financial suicide and potentially jeopardise the future economic wellbeing of my family just to further the political ambitions of some right wing politicians and those who blindly follow them for whatever reason.

My reply was better.

[jayohaitchenn]

That chart is irrelevant though. Doesnt matter where you apply with free movement.

Incorrect. Long term residency is not enough for free movement in Europe. You must become a citizen.

http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/eu-migration-crisis-will-refugees-acquire-full-free-movement-rights/

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

I think a quote from Horlock07 better sums it up....

Why the fuck would I commit financial suicide and potentially jeopardise the future economic wellbeing of my family just to further the political ambitions of some right wing politicians and those who blindly follow them for whatever reason.

But you're quite willing to believe Cameron, Osbourne et al in their vision of impending doom.