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« Reply #10020 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 13:06:44 »

Being critical of Isreal's domestic and foreign policy is not anti-semetic.

She wasn't being critical of Israel's domestic and foreign policy, she just mysteriously dropped a well known dog whistle/conspiracy theory in that really didn't need to be said and is not actually backed up by any evidence*.

She would do so much more for Labour if she just kept quiet as it just allows the stuff about her tax affairs to be rolled out again (and again).

* there is an AI report that links the training of US police by Israeli forces, however it makes no mention of the technique used on George Floyd, nor does it say Minneapolis PD is among those to send officers for training so god know why she felt the need to raise it.
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« Reply #10021 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 13:32:02 »

https://israelpalestinenews.org/minn-cops-trained-by-israeli-police-who-often-use-knee-on-neck-restraint/?fbclid=IwAR309RK6GfJaSMOQPAkz05lTCGNuyfAUbUAR63kqAl5hRal-GTgYgVqVoJQ
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« Reply #10022 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 13:32:52 »

She wasn't being critical of Israel's domestic and foreign policy, she just mysteriously dropped a well known dog whistle/conspiracy theory in that really didn't need to be said and is not actually backed up by any evidence*.

She would do so much more for Labour if she just kept quiet as it just allows the stuff about her tax affairs to be rolled out again (and again).

* there is an AI report that links the training of US police by Israeli forces, however it makes no mention of the technique used on George Floyd, nor does it say Minneapolis PD is among those to send officers for training so god know why she felt the need to raise it.

* pictoral evidence ok?

https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1266675209676959745
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« Reply #10023 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 13:36:28 »

Amnesty International seem to think US police are sometimes trained by the Isrealis too? Are they known for their anti-semetism?

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/
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« Reply #10024 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 14:03:43 »

Thanks, the AI piece I read noted (as did my post) that Israel forces train US Officers, as do bizarrely Scottish ones.

It just seems to be an incredibly stupid thing for an intelligent person, a high profile celebrity supporter whose comments are guaranteed to be picked up, to say when it is perceived by many, rightly or wrongly, that the party she is supporting in the interview has gained a reputation, rightly or wrongly, for having a problem with the issue, to use the piece to link a murder in America somewhat tenuously to Israel is just fanning the flames.

It is eminently possible and necessary to talk about systemic racism and police brutality in America (and elsewhere in the world) without talking about Israel.
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« Reply #10025 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 14:39:43 »

Looks like the matters are both closed https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1276122135845638148?s=20

Interesting that Johnson has just dismissed this out of hand, previously PM's tended to get the Cabinet Secretary to investigate, not even bothering to pretend any more.
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« Reply #10026 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 15:08:59 »

I never did buy into the Corbyn = anti-semite stuff but...

Starmer has just sacked RLB. Corbyn should probably have done something similar to make a point.
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« Reply #10027 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 15:11:33 »

You can't say that's not zero tolerance. It feels a bit on the harsh side considering the shit anyone in the cabinet seems to get away with, but it was a bloody stupid thing to do considering the difficulty Labour has had with anti-Semitism. Read shit before you share it...
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« Reply #10028 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 15:20:25 »

Well, that's certainly decisive. You can't have "more of the same" creeping in.

Though she should have been removed for normal Labour aspirational reasons.
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« Reply #10029 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 15:24:01 »

Though she should have been removed for normal Labour aspirational reasons.

He might have let her stay to allow this exact thing to happen. He's clearly no dummy.
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« Reply #10030 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 15:31:09 »

Wouldn't it just have been cheaper to charter a BA plane when Johnson needs to massage his ego, they have plenty free in the coming months.

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« Reply #10031 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 15:41:38 »

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He might have let her stay to allow this exact thing to happen. He's clearly no dummy.

If so, will played.

The corbynati can't complain too loudly at it without incriminating themselves, which I guess was your point
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« Reply #10032 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 15:45:26 »

If so, will played.

The corbynati can't complain too loudly at it without incriminating themselves, which I guess was your point

Partly that. And partly because he gets to make an example of somebody in clear view of the press. It's one less stick to hit him with.

Two birds - one stone.
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« Reply #10033 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 15:50:00 »

Partly that. And partly because he gets to make an example of somebody in clear view of the press. It's one less stick to hit him with.

Two birds - one stone.

I wonder whether its going to accelerate the inevitable split, plenty of sympathetic voices on twitter suggesting that she start a new party so they can follow her.
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« Reply #10034 on: Thursday, June 25, 2020, 16:02:05 »

I wonder whether its going to accelerate the inevitable split, plenty of sympathetic voices on twitter suggesting that she start a new party so they can follow her.

And we keep coming back, then, to the inherent bias under FPTP against new parties, or splits.  It's a rotten system that could keep the Tories in power almost indefinitely...so they'll perpetuate it for as long as they can.
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