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« Reply #8835 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 16:04:13 »

This is not a moan about the result - the system would be just as broken if any other party had won. I felt before the election that FPTP doesn't work, and these charts highlight why.



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« Reply #8836 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 16:05:37 »

I know England very well and I know France intimately. If you don't, then don't just try random stabs in the dark.

Off course you do, how could i be so wrong.
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« Reply #8837 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 16:06:42 »

That the greens and even the Brexit party get no seats is ridiculous. Their voters, who do make up a reasonable slice of the electorate, get no representation in parliament whatsoever. Zilch
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« Reply #8838 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 16:07:44 »

This is not a moan about the result - the system would be just as broken if any other party had won. I felt before the election that FPTP doesn't work, and these charts highlight why.




So even under PR, Labour would have got roughly the same and the Tories still would have had a majority, albeit a smaller one. The big losers are Farage Ltd, Lib Dems and the Greens
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« Reply #8839 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 16:17:49 »

So even under PR, Labour would have got roughly the same and the Tories still would have had a majority, albeit a smaller one.

Yet we would not have any one party being so dominant. As it is, the tories will get to trounce all over the wishes of the majority of voters with little to no resistance.
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« Reply #8840 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 16:24:37 »

Yet we would not have any one party being so dominant. As it is, the tories will get to trounce all over the wishes of the majority of voters with little to no resistance.
Isn’t that the case with whichever party forms a government with a majority?
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« Reply #8841 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 16:26:24 »

Isn’t that the case with whichever party forms a government with a majority?

Well, yes.

I did start by saying that the system would be broken regardless of who won.
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« Reply #8842 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 16:45:25 »

I think it looked very similar when Labour won in 1997 (inverse).  They did a good job then of holding the core base who maybe thought Blair was not left wing enough, but also grabbing seats where the votes were much closer.  In some ways, that success has created the current Labour Party issue, a sort of reaction to what they now hold with contempt.  You certainly don't want a two party system, that just gets even more confrontational, and you have to balance the will of the people vs. the need to Govern.  Nobody seems grown up enough to run the country without a majority.
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« Reply #8843 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 17:33:58 »

There were some good results:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/13/ann-widdecombe-election-defeat-gay-man-luke-pollard/?fbclid=IwAR3cU0B_q6ni4emU5wtl9IIFgjEuq_uNQEB06PMvUL_-UHo8oIWdt0t8reU
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« Reply #8844 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 18:02:00 »

Bedford was the third most marginal seat before last night with an 800 majority for Labour in 2017, so when the exit poll came through i was sure it would go to the Conservatives; however whilst the majority went down to 145 Labour held on to it.

The Tories didn't help themselves by getting someone from Hertfordshire to stand as their MP.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50774549
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« Reply #8845 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 19:32:48 »

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]So even under PR, Labour would have got roughly the same and the Tories still would have had a majority, albeit a smaller one. The big losers are Farage Ltd, Lib Dems and the Greens

it would have been a hung parliament though.

But that's not the system we have. Labour got trounced, so that's that.

The only hope is the Johnson has such a strong majority that he steers away from the ERG position, and sees sense when the transition period needs exceeding

I won't hold my breath
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« Reply #8846 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 19:42:53 »

One of the seats taken by the tories was taken by a (now MP) who said that 'bad' tenants should be made to live in a tent and pick potatoes until they have paid off overdue rent.

No exaggeration.
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« Reply #8847 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 19:44:57 »

There was another one that defended an article that said disabled people should be paid less because they should be happy for the opportunity to work and they don't understand the value of money.

I don't know if she was voted in.
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« Reply #8848 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 19:46:42 »

Another one said that people that need food banks should be more careful with their money, and that they should consider getting a payday loan if they are struggling.

I don't know if he was voted in. But he was tory.
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« Reply #8849 on: Friday, December 13, 2019, 19:47:07 »

I'm not holding my breath either.
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