Let's Get Political!

[REDBUCK]

Feels nice living in a vibrant democracy, thanks. How is the defence of workers’ rights going over there?

How are the imigrant community in Marseille looking from your house in Provance

[4D]

You can't beat the politics thread for losing karma points. 

[Bathtime]

Should we be shocked by this result - I don`t think so really - this country is amazingly accepting of all greeds, and as has been shown in the past it`s the party that offers a central view not an extreme - Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable everyone knows that - yet he is apparently untouchable - how ridiculous is that - this country doesn`t want a Marxist government.
Boris has many faults but I believe he will quickly get into a centre party position - my personal hope is that those who really do need help get it..
In the meantime Labour needs to rebrand and get David Milliband on board so there is a decent opposition to Boris & Co..

 

[Flashheart]

Boris has many faults but I believe he will quickly get into a centre party position - my personal hope is that those who really do need help get it..
 

I do hope so, he has made promises about improving things and I will certainly look at him in a different light if he does.

Just a shame he's about as trustworthy as those ads that tell me there's a supermodel within a mile of me gagging for my member.

[Arriba]

We can only judge Boris on his past, a dodgy list of dishonesty and bigotry.. It doesn't exactly fill me with hope.
He's made bold promises so let's wait and see how this goes...

[Red Frog]

How are the imigrant community in Marseille looking from your house in Provance

I know England very well and I know France intimately. If you don't, then don't just try random stabs in the dark.

[Ardiles]

Today, hopefully Boris will start to re-build the political divide, his policies are really quite central and not far right as Labour labelled it.

Boris has many faults but I believe he will quickly get into a centre party position - my personal hope is that those who really do need help get it.

A couple of similar comments hoping that Johnson starts building a consensus.  My fear is that he will now find this extremely difficult having moved his party a long way to the right in order to get elected.  There has been a purge of centre right/moderate Tories, while the right wing faction represented by the likes of Mark Francois and Rees-Mogg has grown considerably.  The Tory party today is now quite different to anything that has gone before it.

[Wobbly Bob]

I'm glad the Green lady retained her seat and with an increased majority.
Must be a unique demographic and outlook there for that not be mirrored elsewhere.

Corbyn saying "process of reflection" read locating a successor of similar ilk.

The next Labour leader probably needs to be a woman, from the Midlands or the North preferably with not too many skeletons in the cupboard for the media to get their teeth into.

Swindon North. My word.

It is what it is. Hopefully the Tories can find it within themselves to look after the new fan base and their communities.

[hobodan]

The salt on here from the deluded lefties is comedy gold. Please keep posting your sob stories here 😂

I love the British people for this result

[StfcRusty]

- this country is amazingly accepting of all greeds

Probably why the Tories tend to do so well..

[RobertT]

The salt on here from the deluded lefties is comedy gold. Please keep posting your sob stories here 😂

I love the British people for this result

I'm not sure I've read much of that.  Plenty of recognition that their personal views do not currently match the general consensus of the population, which is largely being driven by a single issue.  To be fair, that single issue is big enough in the world of politics today that it probably needs resolving, so this at least gives a chance for that to happen.  The UK never had a majority pro-actively in favour of the EU membership, so it stands to reason those vehemently against it would vote on that issue,and those who probably voted Remain but historically would have voted Conservative stayed true to their own values on other issues.

The comments about building a consensus made me laugh a bit though.  For starters, the FPTP systems means you don;t need a majority behind you, second, Populism, which is largely where the Conservative Party has headed, relies on fear for the support to hold strong.  I've seen it play out here for the past 3 years.  I'm not passing judgement on the pro's and con's of the concept, just that it relies on pointing at some sort of injustice to work.  So I doubt Boris will heal a divided country.  More likely the election five years from now post Brexit will find a new bogeyman that the country needs defending from.  One very good reason Corbyn should be exiting the building today.  Being seen to be Socialist/Marxist is going to be enough to keep Labout from having any chance, let alone actually wanting to be.  The Country is far more loaded on the Populist side than that side.

[Arriba]

Anyone else seen the tweets from Katie Hopkins and the responses to them?
Hate and racism is bigger than it's been for years. I think it will increase further. Racial incident's at football matches after years of improvement are now becoming more common too.

[RobertT]

It's not bigger it's got a public forum, it's always been there.  Populism relies on things like it - someone somewhere that is different to you is keeping you down.  Either it's someone who doesn't look like you getting better treatment in the name of PC, or it's an immigrant taking an opportunity away from you, or an Elite taking away your ladder and so on.  It works, it's not just the UK seeing this.  The modern world of partially anonymous/online behaviour enables it to grow.  Thinking that people do not think that way is a mistake though.  Telling people they are stupid and/or wrong, doesn't tend to make them change.  The worry for me is the Labour party goes full left throttle now, that would be a big mistake for them.  For a healthy political debate, you need a range and to appeal to more people than each fringe (plus the right fringe is much bigger than the left fringe).

[Arriba]

More to rejoice at.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-50718869?__twitter_impression=true

[Flashheart]

This is not a moan about the result - the system would be just as broken if any other party had won. I felt before the election that FPTP doesn't work, and these charts highlight why.