Question and debate with Ironside

[chalkies_shorts]

Either you're a nazi without the balls to stand up for your beliefs, or you're just a sad lonely middle aged racist on an ego trip. Either eway I'm not interested in indulging you any fucking longer, and fuck knows why anybody else is.

I'm interested in indulging him as he's been vilified on here. I'd rather find out what he actually believes than what others tell me to believe about him. By giving him a forum then people can make their own minds up rather than be sheep following thsoe who shout loudest. That is unless, of course, people on here are regarded as less intellectual than others and are totally incapable of independent thuoght.
To be totally frank Lumps your attitude and the attitide of certain others is downright dismissive of anyone who does not agree with you. I'm equally sure that when you post your Q&As to Ironside, there are right wing equivalents.
As to Arriba - I'll probably vote Labour again but this will be the hardest choice in my lifetime. At thism oment they are cunts but I could never vote Tory.

[Arriba]

ben surely the best thing about this forum is the way topics develop? but as ironside requested this thread specifically to not churn up other  threads your point is valid.

talk talk,nice to see you posting again.i think you are right to a point but cannot help thinking of david icke fromm your post.

[Talk Talk]

talk talk,nice to see you posting again.i think you are right to a point but cannot help thinking of david icke from your post.

It is a problem.

If you listen to any arguments outside of the mainstream, or alternatives that stand up to logical tests, morality and reason and you then take them on board you find that they are horribly offensive to most people who have a vested interest in maintaining their position.

Icke is a step way too far but there are alternatives to the shit we find ourselves in.

[flammableBen]

Don't be too harsh on lumps. In previous threads which have gone onto a big argument with ironside he's been pretty consistent in his efforts to not only disagree with him, but do a good job of putting some reasoning into why some of Ironey's more offensive opinions are stood in rather flawed ground.

In that vein this thread isn't really ever going to achieve anything, there's no way people should just ignore Ironside's little far right comments he sometimes makes if they disagree with him. I imagine people will stop calling him names when he stops calling everybody who disagrees with him a cunt, "liberal" cunt, :randomsmilie: cunt, or telling reg he hopes that he dies soon.

[flammableBen]

ben surely the best thing about this forum is the way topics develop? but as ironside requested this thread specifically to not churn up other  threads your point is valid.

yeah. Normally I agree. But it's sort of a big question, and probably one which will come up again sooner or later, so seems silly to bury it 15 pages in again.

[pauld]

There is no way that they will ever get elected Paul. I don't know why you get so het up about it?

Hmm, 10 years ago, plenty of equally complacent people would have laughed at the idea of them getting council seats etc. And the German establishment were so complacent that "that ridiculous little man" could ever be anything other than their tool that they gave him the levers of power. They're a poisonous bunch of Nazis and the prospect of them gaining any ground whatever, be it at council level, the Euros is one we ignore at our peril. We each have our own things we choose to get "het up" about - yours is petty squabbles on internet forums, mine is the prospect (however remote) of Nazis making serious headway in this country.

[Ironside]

So what about the communist who are in charge now ?

[chalkies_shorts]

Fuck me Paul that is very dismissive of your average Joe. We live in a democracy. Are you implying that people are so fucking stupid that we're sleepwalking into a nationalist state. If so, then you're making the assumption that the average Joe has lower intellect than you.

[sonicyouth]

supporters of the welfare state

yeah, god forgive us for bothering to look after those unable to find a job in these difficult economic times. i'll cancel my jobseekers allowance immediately

[flammableBen]

Fuck me Paul that is very dismissive of your average Joe. We live in a democracy. Are you implying that people are so fucking stupid that we're sleepwalking into a nationalist state. If so, then you're making the assumption that the average Joe has lower intellect than you.

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

[chalkies_shorts]

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

Good point. Statistics are brilliant for large populations but crap for individuals but overall you get the message.

[Talk Talk]

Hmm, 10 years ago, plenty of equally complacent people would have laughed at the idea of them getting council seats etc. And the German establishment were so complacent that "that ridiculous little man" could ever be anything other than their tool that they gave him the levers of power. They're a poisonous bunch of Nazis and the prospect of them gaining any ground whatever, be it at council level, the Euros is one we ignore at our peril. We each have our own things we choose to get "het up" about - yours is petty squabbles on internet forums, mine is the prospect (however remote) of Nazis making serious headway in this country.

A couple of council seats or a handful of MPs does not make a government majority.

UKIP has exactly one MP and they have been feted for years as being the replacement for traditional conservatism.

55% of the workers in this country are employed by the government. Socialism (whether Labour, Liberal or new Conservative) feeds itself and grows. These people have a vested interest in keeping their jobs and the status quo. They won't vote for the BNP.

Hitler's rise to power was aided and abetted by the conditions that the allies put on Germany after the First World War. That is a completely different situation to the economy and the political landscape in this country.

And please don't belittle my thoughts Paul, it doesn't become you and is not helpful.

[DMR]

This is confusing. It's the lefties rounding on the general public rather than Ironside and co, and Alan seems to be a mish mash of liberalism and facism.

[michael]

It is like what Johnny Rotten said:

"I have met the man on the street, and he is a cunt"

Carry on.

[sonicyouth]

It is like what Johnny Rotten said:

"I have met the man on the street, and he is a cunt"

Carry on.

wasn't that sid vicious?