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They've scored 7 goals in their last two league games getting 6 points, but they are shaky on the road. Let's bury em.

2-1

2-0

Clean. Sheet. Mentality.

 Bury boy Simon Yates could win the Vuelta tomorrow, with his twin bro helping. However both Gary and Phil Neville were Bury boys, and they've not noticably helped the Shakers.

I worry that PB has suggested they've had some investment so should make them a big hitter... ok shit away record, but 2 of those were Lincoln and Franchise, we need to impose on them 79 style.

Let's have a repeat of 1979 and a nice 8 -0 home win. COYR

2-0 Town.

Clean sheet and 3-0 will do me.

This must be the earliest that a MDT has been started in a long time. Where is Sugg Will Suggs lately? Wasn't he Chief of starting threads as soon after midnight as possible? Or was it Shaw Rosso?

I have the excitement of clearing out a dead man’s flat today. Last season this would have been
a better prospect than schlepping down the County Ground.

Think we’ll turn on the ‘style’ today. 3-1 win.

I started last weeks game thread at 12.18  :toocool:
Got two wins from that thread too.

Would be great for everything to click into place and the black pudding munchers be despatched 8-0.  :)

But they have won here on their last three visits......

I'm expecting 6 points from today then!!

Good work keep it up.

Broadband problems mean I probably won't be able to watch today unfortuntely. A repeat of 8th December 1979 would be ideal, loved being at that game "we want 9, we want 9" ;)

Iiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnn 1979 on a cold Saturday, the Bury came to Swindon, they walked up Fleming Way...

You not got a decent data plan on mobile you could connect to instead?

Mine were all about 3am after leaving the SU. 7 years ago now!

Unfortunately not mate, I put it down to 2gb plan this month as pennies are a bit tight, my bad!

Just bought a new router so fingers crossed!

3-1 win today.

I’m doing the half time challenge thing too 🙂

Good luck mate, don't fall on your arse ;)

3.1 win for me today.
Not going as feel rough as fuck
 :puke:

2-2 doughty  and Richards for us art 6109

Cheers mate, i'm not promising anything! I will be sober though, so no excuses! :)

A two footed lunge on Rockin Robin would earn you the gratitude of many.  ;)

Going by the last half time efforts Rockin Robin stands way off his line so chip him from the halfway line. The Town End will salute you. Good luck !
Town 3 Bury 2

Well get yourself back to Uni then. We always seemed to win back in those days!!

It appears that the Wembley scourge of Swindon punishment Jermaine Beckford probably won't be playing against us today. Also former Town summer target (allegedly) Coalin Lavery who joined the Shakers on deadline day on loan from Sheff Utd also is out injured, thats a fair proportion of their best forward line out.

Some interesting stats about Bury. Thier form this season away from home is LLLDL with the 1 draw coming in the League Cup, they have lost each of their previous away L2 ties so far W0 D0 L3 F3 A6.

If you look at their away form since the turn of the year it is...

WDLLLLDDDLDLLL so thats 14 games since their last victory on their travels ironically that was a win in January at Pox.

Home vs Bury we have lost our last 3 games to them at the CG by 1 goal, but prior to that we hadn't been beaten by them in 12 games including the famous 8-0 win in 1979. They normally don't bring too man fans on their visits averaging about 200 in the last 4 games.

The ref today is Kevin Johnson who has dished out 19 yeallow cards in his 7 games so far, in the game between Bury and the Pox last season (their home game not their win) he booked 9 players and sent off ex Town loanee El Abd.

I would think a crowd of 6,210 is in order with the requisite 220 Shakers fans in attendance.

2-1 to us, Alzate and Adebayo.

LMC keeps his place.

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No dought

Dunne FFS.

Iandolo fffs!

This....Doughty must be injured. I would have prefered Anderson instead of Iandolo TBH.

Not really any option for RB though is there?

iFollow...Live at Ashton Gate? WTF?

Bury lineup.

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Doughty out with a strained boater.

Got pictures on iFollow but commentary from Bristol Shitty!

Not convinced by that lineup but hoping for a 2-0 win.

Anyone else got the Shitheads commentary on iFollow too?

1st 6 mins, Richards having a mare, nothing sticking to his feet.

😂

PB must be confident with Iandolo getting a start... seeems like it's mostly Bury atm...

Dunne booked for 2 stupid challenges.

All Bury so far we don't look very threatening.

I will say it now, Dunne will be sent off today.

Dunne mistake passing to them in our half nearly costs us.

Super shoulder barge from Nelson saves us.

I've got NEWPORT v Yeovil!

0-1

woeful does not even cover it ( the entire half so far)

0-1

Thought it myself when he got that early yellow. Maybe worth switching him with Smith at HT and Iandolo with Keshi. Pace should punish them today.

Bury player waltzed through our defence to hit a high shot from 6 yards out.

Richards, Dunne and Iandolo all not at the races so far.

All Bury and well deserved lead.

\Fuck!!

So bad.

Couldn't see at the time as my connect is poor but it looked like Woolf commited himself too early in a tackle and the player walzted into our box unchallenged. Poor defending.

No protection from Midfield. Sorry was thinking Dunne was playing MF bt he's at RB. PB may have to switch it around a bit at HT....

Looked like a pen to Town, McGlashan brought down in the box.

Absolute rubbish from us so far.  Can't seem to find a Swindon player with a pass.  Too many enforced changes.

I don't know why but I think if we get a goal, we will go on to win this. I've no ideal how though?!

We haven't looked a patch on last Saturdays team so far, not passing well and not tackling. Creating nothing.

absolute shit show. not surprised he's changed it. awful

Dunne looks like someone playing out of position, which to be fair to him he is.

Iandolo looks completely out of his depth, McCourt not much better.
Alzate the only one in midfield offering anything positive.

Our midfield From a so called strength of the team to a complete shambles

Iandolo off, Dave on

They are putting a lot of pressure on Dunne at RB they know hes the weakness...ironically the goal came on the other side though.

Bayo and Alzate the pick of the players, I just realised McCourt was playing.

Glad hes took off the innefective Iandolo.

Game of two halves JJ. I know what your saying but PB will chuck his Carrot Oil and Malibu Sun at them at them at HT if they don't pull their fingers out.

Don't know why Iandolo started.  Stupid decision.  We're a bloody shambles atm.

Definately a game of 2 halves! I hope we get better 2nd half, this is a shambles.

Toums makes 1 more tackle than Iandolo and McCourt have made between them so far...e.g. 1.

Probably because Doughty pulled out late (pardon the pun) and Dave probably isn't quite ready yet. PB forced really but hindsight will tell him to have risked Dave instead of Iandolo who really isn't ready for first team action. A loan would do him good. As it happens, Dave will have to be ready now!

Bayo seems to be playing wide left with Richards up front, I would rather it the other way round, Richards off the boil again today so far.

Great save at the near post from LM.

Terrible miss from 4 yards out from their striker.

Richards was off the boil last week too. When Woolery is fit we should go Woolery out wide and Adebayo up front.

Taylors poor defensive header could have cost us, luckily a poor shot came at the end of it.

He hasn't looked a patch of the player we had last season yet.

Bayo voicing his frustrations at the long passes to him today, all wayward.

This is absolutely atrocious.

No positives, all over the pitch Bury have been better.

Fucking shit.

That's good. He's angry, He's hungry to score and he gives a shit. Just what you want. Work to be done at HT. I hope PBs got his St.Tropez ready and shoves it up 'em!

To sum it up, Bury deserve their lead, we have been pretty poor, worst we have played all season so far.

LM made 2 great saves but could do nothing with the goal,  Taylor looks ok going forwards...which is rare, defensively very poor again.

Dunne is not a right back and looks like a fish out of water, made several woeful fouls.

Nelson and Woolf both look good at CB, can't really blame Woolf too much for the goal but if he was naturally left footed he may have got the tackle in.

McCourt has barely touched the ball but when he has his passes have been terrible.

Alzate is the best player on the pitch so far, looks eager but they can't get the ball to him.

Toums looks good since he came on for the totally useless Iandolo, sorry but hes not good enough.

McGlashan has showed some great touches but some awful ones so far but at least hes trying.

Bayo is the next best player on the pitch, looks eager so give him the ball!

Richards looks like he doesn't want to be there today, no effort, no control and no chances.

Changes must be made, Bury are a very average side but we are making them look good.

Well, that half was as bad as Lincoln.

I would say that I haven't seen a performance as bad as Dunne's, but Iandolo was on the pitch for 29 minutes and was worse.  Taylor isn't far behind, and that is the problem for us - both wings are a mess and Bury are pressuring us in possession then overloading the wings in attack.

Keeper's been ok, Alzate on the edge of being ok, and apart from that it's been a desperate half.

Agree with comments about Richards, he has offered nothing today and other than the assist at Morecambe he did nothing else then.

Be tempted to take him him off, stick adebayo up top and then anderson on the left/right with Mcglashen. We need Bayo up front, the ball does not stick up there with Richards.

Main weak links for me (other than Dunne) are Taylor and Richards, didn't think I'd be saying that after last year's performances.

 That’s got to be the most shockingly inept performance I’ve ever seen - worse than the worst shite served up by Flitcrioft or Luke Williams.

Getz Dunne off ffs or he’ll get sent off apart from being utter shite. What the fuck was Brown thinking putting this side out.

Same here. On holiday so able to watch this inept performance so far. Might I get any of my six euros back for lack of correct commentary which I’m sure has a green tick against when you pay for the match.

The goal

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worst 45 I've seen in a long time. It's like they don't want to play, though it's probably just the changes that have knackered us.

I'm here so do t know it's been covered, how did the bury player get a yellow card for a tackle, lie on the floor for a while and then get given a free kick. I may have missed something.  

And yes, we've been shit.  Fullbacks are bobbins.

Both central defenders have been ok in the main but they could have been and should have been responsible for us conceding a goal - they let Dagnall (I think) have an unchallenged header from a cross in our 6 yard box, neither of them within a yard and neither knowing who was supposed to be defending him.

Grrr, it's just been shit really.

Looks  like we’ve been on the piss all week. Can barely find a red short with a pass on the rare occasion we have control of the ball. Nelson and McCormick the only couple that can escape criticism so far.

Brown should be giving them the roasting of their lives in that dressing room.

Adebayo on the wing is completely wasted. Needs to be through the middle with players running on to him.

Need to get Anderson on for Richards and Smith on for McCourt IMO.

Good luck with that. I've sent them a chat message, but I'm talking to myself.  >:(

As I mentioned earlier I had the BBC Somerset audio, have turned it down, no chance of a refund, not ever, its been worse and they haven't made any refunds.

I'd make the Anderson switch, but we have to get Dunne off somehow.  Risky, but I'd bring Romanski on and move Woolfenden over.  That or bring Smith on and move someone like McCourt over I guess.  Dunne is a liability - he wasn't great last season but this and Crawley seem to suggest his mind has gone to mush as well as having limited talent.

Absolutely this  3 is too many passengers.  Now only 2.

McCormack beaten a bit too easily for me there PV

Town players on the pitch early, looks like PB has chucked them out to get back on with it.

I hope they listened and that he gave them the bollocking of their life.

Not sure he could have done much else TBH mate, 2 defenders between the player and the goal but I don't think he expected a shot from that angle.

Come On Town!

We miss Knoyle. Badly.

Get the fuck in! 1-1

Great cross in by Taylor headed out for a corner.

Woolfy!

Long corner from Alzate knocjed down by Nelson (I think) and smashed in by the Woolf from 12 yards out.

Hooooowwwwwllll!  :pint:

Rubbish bicycle kick from their striker deflected well wide.

Lovely tackle in the box from Nelson.

Gaping holes at both fullback positions for us.

ffs 1-2  :crash:

1-2 awful defending again.

Oh fucking hell

It's unfair on Woolf and Nelson. Two youngish lads having to do the work of CB and FB because Dunne is weak there and Taylor really has shot it in a defensive capacity atm.

They are exploiting Dunne at every chance.

Our heads have visibly dropped since the goal.

Anderson on for Dunne.

At least Brown has recognised how shit Dunne has been.  Knoyle missing for 3 games is a big problem.

McGlashan to RB?

Set up for tried and tested late 3-2 victory. If only!

I wouldn't rule it out, Bury scoring again is just as likely though!

McGlashan again probably makes a bit of a meal of going down in their box.

2 good point blank saves from LM.

Anderson needs a slap for that awful pass that could have set up McGlashan.

Have we gone three at the back? ie Woolf RB, Sid CB Taylor LB

We seem to have gone 3 at the back with Taylor as LCB.

Ha yes!

It took Richards 70 mins to win his first long ball.

Bloody hell. 4 seconds! It seemed the logical tactical change. It's either shit or bust time. If we attack them we can win.

Toums booked for winning the ball but tackling a bit hard.

Romanski on for McCourt.

Will sit Romanski at LCB and push Taylor further forward, or 4 at the back with Woolf at RB..

3-4-3 (into 3-5-2) ? With Keshi and Beyo out wide and Richards central? Or has Beyo gone central? If so take Richards off and put Smith on?

Bury do have what we don't....2 capable wingers willing to run and and take on defenders in the box.

LM makes another good save.

Alzate just wide from 20 yards out, about time we took a shot.

 He's actually gave us a half chance of getting a point from this. Several reaction saves. Can't do no more under the Alamo!

Tactically, Brown is a fucking moron.

Romanski cross almost goes in the top corner.

Bayo down injured in the box.

Bayo is up, their defender stays down.

Fuck off Processed Meats, his hands been bloody twisted several times so far. He's done well considering. Yes should've started with Dave but Doughty obviously pulled out late. Seeing as Dave hadn't been fully ready, he's been forced to use him. PB probs had Lancs in mind (injury wise) when considering Dave. Dunne had to start at RB today there was little else available.

I hope we fucking go and get something from this now. Cunt.

Dan Wilson has an appalling basin haircut.

And for those that know me...yes I can judge, my haircut is a perfect blank canvas :D

The only thing PB did wrong tactically today was pick the wrong starting line up, but we don't know that some players not starting didn't have injuries pre game.

Bury players (unsurprisingly) dropping like flies time wasting.

Danns goes off, hes looked handy today for them.

Anderson felled far too easily looking for a free kick when in a good position.

Another Bury player down wasting time.

Booked for gamesmanship. There will be some added minutes. I'll go for 6. Plenty of time to win it ;)

McGlashans looking for free kicks too all the time, stay on your feet man!

Anderson falls over in the box.

Another Bury player down wasting time.

There has to be 5 mins added for all their feigning of injuries.

7 mins added!

7mins added. About right considering extra yellows (ugh). Come. On. Town!!

You beat me this time 13secs :)

Another Bury player with theatrics on the ground!

Today we missed Doughty and Knoyle, much more than I thought we would.

Agreed, last minute of added time now.

Awful result. Whatever way you dress it up, Brown fucked up today. His starting line up was dreadful and his constant changing between formations did far more harm than good. Town are going nowhere this season.

Richards poor today, he won almost nothing all game.
McCourt really poor also.
Dunne looked like Dunne at his worst, terrible.
Taylor can't defend to save his life.
McCormick had another good game.
Alzate had a solid game.
Bayo had a goodish game.
Nelson played fine.
Woolfenden played fine.
Toums looked handy.
Iandolo should not play for us again for a while.
Anderson ran around with no end product.
Romanski looked ok, made a couple of silly passes that nearly cost us late on.

Bury not that good but we were worse.

Move on to the next game.

Well that was just awful.

Some things we should learn from today

a) Iandolo is not a professional footballer
b) Dunne should probably never play a League 2 level game of football again
c) Taylor needs to retire

Those three created the situation that unfolded around them as a result.  They put pressure on us, they created the situation where we went into panic mode too early and lost all structure/shape and any chance of really getting anything from that.  That was our Crawley/Barnet at home effort of last season.

Top work again PV

Fucking awful...got what we deserved.

Shit ref, the cherry on a shit cake....but he never cost us the game.

FT: Never looked up to in the first half. Went for in the 2nd and had a chance to kick on at 1-1. Yet we certainly missed Knoyle. Dunne is no RB, in an ideal world Woolf would have started at RB and gone as a three (which we went to in the end, albeit forced). Harsh on the CB pairing of Sid and Woolf because they and LM did everything they could. Playing at CB and FB, even with both Dunne and Taylor on the pitch. Even Woolf provided a 12 yd smasher. Should have built on that an we would have taken it to them. Bury exposed the stretched positional defence, it could have easily been 3 or 4 for Bury today if not for McCormicks reaction saves which kept us in it to a degree an flattered us.

Hard lines - I'm sure PB will take the blame but will feel hard done by, especially losing the reliable Doughty who was a surprise omission to many.

Shoulda. Woulda. Coulda.

Applying some perspective though, we've looked handy in most games bar two.  We need to fix those player problems at some point, but hopefully the other 6 games are more of a yardstick than two "outliers".  I get Doughty missing created a late problem, Brown probably knows he has fucked up - by making the early sub, he has to be thinking he can rely on two professionals to do an adequate job at fullback though.  Dunne's little purple patch at the end of last season has unfortunately pulled the wool over Brown's eyes, and I would imagine he has given a good pro in Taylor the right to decide if he has it still, he doesn't.  You can carry one of them, not three - hopefully he realises this and we fix that in future.

Well that hurt my eyes as much as the shitty sound hurt my ears. Result: crap iFollow + awful performance = savings ahead.

To add salt to the wound, next weeks opponents win 6-0 away at Newport.

Having one recognised Right Back in the squad is frankly pathetic. Dunne is NOT a right back, Romanski cannot be classed as one and we need Wolfendon to play Centre Back because we hardly have any of those either. Taylor is our creaking Left Back and we barely have any coverage there either.

Stupid red cards aside, the lack of decent back up in the squad is Brown’s fault. If Doughty is injured for any period of time we are seriously screwed.

Yes the major fault with PB this Summer has been his lack of recruitment.

As BO says we need cover at both LB and RB, we need another CB too if Lancashire is indeed crocked.

We need another striker too as Richards (so far) looks to be in his last season of playing. Yes we have Woolery to come back but who knows how long away he is from action.

We looked devoid of creativity in midfield without Doughty today, McCourt just had zero impact all game, Toums should have started and I think Smith would have been a far better option alongside of him.

Iandolo is nowhere near good enough and shouldn't have started.

Dunne is not and never will be a right back, way off the pace, loses track of the game, cannot tackle without leaving his foot in and can't cross a ball to save his life.

LB (1st team), CB (cover), RB (cover), Striker (cover depending on Woolery) but I guess thats tipping us over the budget scales.

I would think that even the U21's right back would do a better job than Dunne.

Shots on goal -
Bury 14
Swindon 3

Shots on target -
Bury 8
Swindon 2

Adebayo is the striker in form, he looked like a man possessed from the highlights at Morecambe. So why play him out wide against Bury, (a team devoid of away form) and put Richards up front, who hasn’t had any form whatsoever. Would it not make more sense to play Anderson wide and Bayo up front?

Right that was terrible, from the first second to the last. It's hard to tell if Bury were half decent as we were so abject I think the u9s would have had a chance today. To only have 2/3 shots to their 15 or so tells the story.

Mccormick - did nothing wrong, made some good saves.

Dunne - woeful, useless. Should not be playing again. He is not good enough and at RB was a liability the whole time he was on.
Nelson/woolf- both played ok, I think they will be a good partnership. Because of FB issues they look very exposed.
Taylor - another weak link. Last year his lack of pace was balanced with his fantastic deliveries but this year he has not been good enough at all. Having only 2 fullbacks in the squad is a major fuck up.

Mccourt - poor today, gave the ball away and caught out of position too many times. Complete opposite of last Saturday.
Iandolo - needs a loan spell away, not good enough to be in first team at this time.
Alzate - has class, took too long to make the right passes today. Can't be one of the holding CM. End product needs to improve.

Mcglashen - ok in spells, pace did cause an issue at times.
Richards - poor again. Struggled to hold the ball up, easily beaten. Has done very little the last two games.
Bayo - not his best, still a handful though. Needs to play through the middle.

Toums - didn't look 100%, slightly off the pace.
Anderson - few good touches, him and Alzate link up nicely.
Romanski - did very well when he came on.

Until Knoyle is back I think we need to go 3 at the back, stick Bayo up top.

One to forget in all.

Most definately, poor starting line up by PB, unless we had injuries, the playing of Richards in the centre and Bayo wide was a major fault today though.

Pretty much agree with all of that Plym.

Next game, injuries barring I would play.

McCormick

Taylor (no other option currently)
Woolfenden
Nelson
McGlashan at RB

Doughty (if fit)
Anderson
Alzate
Smith
Toums

Bayo

The ref was shit, we were even shitter. Full backs are not up to it.  Such is life. Wasn't boring. I'll probably go again.

Agree with all of this.

Woolery was on the radio before the game.  He won't be back training for around 3 weeks.

There was also a mention of Conroy.  Brown was quite vague and said he didn't want to go into detail or something like that?

How can Diagouraga not look properly fit/ready STILL? Sounds like Nalis part 2!

Conroy is probably broken.

Stronger, fitter, faster!!  Simple game, we make it so hard for ourselves, pinging passes that are easily picked out by the opposition.  It looked like Town had been on the piss until about 2-30, we were bad.  Brown must shoulder a lot of the blame for that performance, we were set up totally wrong.  Landolo and McGlashan are a waste of valuable oxygen, why the hell he couldn't see that Adebayor was all at sea on the left wing and moved him inside alongside Richards who was never at the races today.  Back to the drawing board Mr B.

I thought Toums looked about as fit as any 31 year old, I don't think he will improve fitness wise, thats just how he is, he looks lethargic and slow but I think its deceptive.

Both of those are disappointing TBH.

Nicely summed up.

Pretty much the whole 90 was dire on all levels.

Att: 6,087 - looked like about 200 from Bury.

For me the perspective is that we could very easily have lost all our home games, but happily played the get out of jail card. Now you can't keep doing that, and the hope must be you use that trend to build a functional side that can win games maybe 2-0 at home.  We're nowhere near atm.

I do have a bit of sympathy for Brown in that he's working with a reduced budget compared to last year, and that could explain why we're worse off than at the same stage last year.

I had hoped Bury might be one of the basket case clubs this season.... but sadly it looks like they've spent a bit. The fella with a brace, had only scored 2 in the 2 previous seasons  :(

We've now got to go to Yeovil who are on fire, things could start to look very messy by next week. we definitely need a response... our hold on the Wilts/Glos/Somerset mini league is at stake.

If doughty back, I'd be tempted to go either

                      Mccormick
         Woolf Nelson Romanski
Mcglashen Toums Doughty Taylor
                  Alzate Anderson
                          Bayo

Or

                     Mccormick
     Woolf Nelson Romanski Taylor
                 Toums Doughty
      Mcglashen Alzate Anderson
                            Bayo

I'd go 3 at the back until Knoyle is back;


Alzate and Keshi can switch or give them the freedom to do so. Push Crazy Legs and Richards closer together with Richards picking up any scraps or lay offs/heads down from Beyo. One of Keshi or Alzate can join the attack and although that leaves us more exposed defensively, Taylor works better in a tight knit three. Dave soaking up play in DM to find Doughty, who we know can link well with Keshi/Alzate. Smith makes up the numbers.

I withdraw from starting the match day threads.  ::)

 :no:

Just got back in from the boozer.

What happened? Any excuses, or were we just shit?

Brown’s tinkering with the side cost us today. It was quite a sight to behold, really.

We were poor for the entirety of this sorry episode..

Maybe he was complacent?

Really don't think we can consider Romanski as a first choice option

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that a 0/10 would have been generous for Dunne, I know he's not a RB but that was a shameful performance from him.  Put himself in a position whereby he couldn't make another challenge as he simply can't tackle and was a red card walking.  He was even worse with the ball than without.

Iandolo gave the ball away at every opportunity, not got anything against him really, he could still get better, but certainly today he wasn't good enough.

They were first to everything.

Was an insult of a performance, pathetic really.  Feel sorry for the CBs today, no chance at all.

Have to solve the RB problem while Knoyle is out, I think the only way around it is JMcL at WB with a 3 at the back.

 

We were shit FH.  I usually have someone to blame but even though the ref was shit it wasn't his fault in anyway.  The Bury players played for time but I certainly wouldn't begrudge them their victory.  Just a really poor performance where we were lucky to have a sniff.  Frankly if our players tried to wipe their arses they would have missed today.

Well, that's jolly well nettlesome.

I thought this pre match. Starting with Iandolo, I think he potentially underestimated the Black Pudding Boys.

Btw, nettlesome - absolute wonderful word. I do enjoy ragamuffin and guttersnipe. They make me chuckle. I imagine with ragamuffin (in my mind) seeing a dog having it's way with a muffin. Would be quite a sight. However, a word which always stood out for me was borborygmus. It's quite pleasant to say due to it being fairly echomimetic.

One of the most worrying aspects of today's performance for me was the complete lack of understanding between Richards & Adebayo. Although they weren't playing in a conventional two, they never seemed to be close enough to work off each other. On the rare occasions that either of them won the first ball the other was nowhere near enough to benefit from it. I'm not convinced by Adebayo in general yet. He's very easily muscled off the ball for a big lad, mistimes a lot of his jumps & doesn't seem to get into any decent goalscoring positions although to be fair the service was dreadful today. & I truly echo everybody's thoughts on Dunne. Complete & utter liability, irrespective of the fact he was playing out of position. The sooner him, Robertson & Lancashire are off the wage bill the better!!

Not much more to add. I know injuries/suspensions played their part, but came away from that feeling like Brown tried to be too clever. A lot of issues could have been avoided if Adebayo played up the middle and Richards stayed on the bench - give us an actual outlet up front to occasionally try and disrupt their back line

Don’t know what’s happened to Ian. When he first came through I was genuinely excited by him - looked technically adept with a good eye for a dangerous pass. He’s not pushed on though - if anything he’s regressed - and unless something drastic happens that’s probably it now for any real chance of a town career. How much of that is down to being shunted at left back last year I’m not sure

Going into Reg mode a little....

There was a time about ten years ago, when I we had a right back shortage in-season (I wanna say 2007/08) - Michael pook filled in for the last ten minutes and didn’t shit the bed. Public opinion then agreed he be an adequate role player, and the manager (malpas?) duly put him in for the next game.

The next game came about (I wanna say it was against Cheltenham, but that’s probably the memory playing tricks) with pook at right back, and the long awaited bed shitting began.

There are a hundred and one parralells that can be drawn with that scenario and that of James Dunne today. Inept at best in his favoured position, apparently making a career based on being able to run around a bit. Would figure his post-town career will also mirror that of Michael Pook

There are always occasions when needs must... like a Dave Mitchell or Jimmy Quinn playing centre half.  We haven't got a squad, which is hugely better than any other side in Div 4... so anything this season will be down to Brown's ability to get something out of the collective. On balance he's doing OK, but it won't take much for it to go pear shaped. Next up at Yeovil, on form you'd expect them to prevail.. perhaps the favouritism might work to our advantage

4 of that starting 11 should never have been playing - either nowhere near good enough or just too old in the tooth. Brown seems besotted with both Taylor and Richards but no matter how good they have both been, they, unfortunately no longer are.

Both have coaching duties and I’d suggest they concentrate on them. Whether we actually have anyone better to replace them is another matter.

But when you go from decent to turgid with the absence of a couple of players it shows up the paucity of Brown’s recruitment.

Did we really need Dave/Smith/McCourt all vying for one starting spot leaving us with no alternatives for either full back spots?

I know there’s not an infinite amount of budget to have2 players for every position but at least get adequate cover throughout the squad - not just over beef midfield.

I think that Brown made two big mistakes. One was playing Iandolo when there were other options, I groaned when he came out, and his weakness mainly contributed to a very poor start which we never recovered from.  Secondly Adebayo playing mostly on the wing, presumably on orders, leaving Richards isolated. He was out-muscled all game, and I think he's a lot better when he's in the centre with the option of going both ways with his speed. 

Only the goalkeeper, Nelson, Alzate and Wolfenden came out the game with any credit imo.

For all his tricks, Alzate didn't half faff at times which resulted in the ball being lost or good openings to release the ball to a reasonably positioned player was lost.

He played okay.

This. Jo Ro needs a loan spell away to toughen up. Fully expected him to be at Bath/Chippenham etc by now. Given that Lancs & Conroy are both fucked, Robbo is shit & the current two are loanees then there is a real long term issue at CB!

Hopefully that was just a one off very bad day at the office and not a sign of things to come.

Fast start from Bury and they kept the momentum throughout.
Always seemed to have 2 or 3 men around the ball and won all of the second balls.
On that evidence wouldn't be surprised to see them do well this season.

Their first goal. Taylor. Was the plan to keep backing off until he was in the Town End before thinking about making a challenge.

Our version of 433 doesn't seem to be working, as it's effectively one up front with two out wide who don't get close enough to be effective.
Might be worth switching to two up front, whether 442 or 352.
Doing the basics well, keeping it simple and managing to be less incompetent than everyone else seems to be the requirement for getting out of this division.

A crap day all round.
Even the half time challenge was piss poor.
Shocking finishing by contestant no 3.  :)

It's all been said.

Brown started with absolutely the wrong team.  Bury started like a train and should have won at a canter.  Mayor, Danns and O'Shea bossed midfield.


On the feigning injury issue, did anyone understand why, after a Bury player was booked for a late tackle in the first half, that the game recommenced with a Bury free kick?

Taylor.   https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1040969508050153477.  Moore in a fair amount of space and moving at speed on the penalty area after Nelson's missed tackle.  Would have taken a high class tackle or block not to give a penalty.  imo.  The odds were played and Moore correctly shepherded to the byline and an acute angle.

Shockers:  Iandolo, Dunne, Richards, Kevin Johnson (ref)

Below par:  to a greater or lesser extent, all of the rest bar McCormick

The thing that irks me is that Phil Brown must be aware that James Dunne is not exactly a terrace favourite so sticking him in a significantly different position is a lamb to the slaughter.

Even if he was well-liked, we watched Dunne willingly let his opponent glide by because he couldn't trust himself to put in a clean challenge. That's both damning and unacceptable. I am not a particular hater of James Dunne, I guess he'll forever remain a symbol of Flitcroft's mediocre era.

We have plenty of the components required to achieve promotion but Town are still self-sabotaging in vital areas. It needs addressing.

 That's 4 CG  league wins in a row now for Bury.  I did wonder if that is some sort of record for my time of watching STFC. :hmmm:

 What's quite bizarre is that, between the last 2 they've only won something like 4 or 5 away games in 2 seasons.

 Instinct told me that Ipswich could be a contender and they've also got a 4,  that is more undersatndable mind as it was that late 90's period when we eventually slipped out of Div 2 at the turn of the century.

 That little trot was truly terrible, GD of F1 A 16  :)

Next up at the CG we've Oldham, and although we've often had problems with them in tne past they can only muster a 3.

 So can anyone think of a club with more than 4 in a row at the CG since the 60's?

First time I've seen that back.
Moore always looks in control of the situation and Taylor ends up on his backside at the moment an attempted block should be coming in.
Great strike though and the percentage play at this level would normally see that go out for a throw on the other side of the pitch.
Another Taylor from happier times would have sorted that out.

Taylor did end up on his arse.   Certainly a very undignified end to what I have called his shepherding.

Moore could actually have squared it for McFazdean to stroke into an empty net. 

The whole defence was at sixes and sevens.

That's what I said.....big gamble came off as they swarmed all over us.

I have been saying this after almost every game, Alzate is classy on the ball in the main, but his end product is no better than Anderson.


He has bags of promise, can run and dribble but his final pass only finds its man 50% of the time, he will improve and he obviously has talent, plays better when in a free role as playmaker.

And I agree, Romanski is not strong enough yet to play a starting role in the team, he needs a full season lower in the pyramid to find his feet, lots of potential though, I also agree that Iandolo looked good when he first hit the side but he has gone backwards in his development and for me he needs a loan away from the club or be moved on.

I think you might be waiting a long time for Alzate to do much worthwhile on yesterday's showing.

Next Saturday now becomes massive given the nature of Yeovil’s victory yesterday....can we avoid being on the end of a cricket score? You’d like to think PB will ensure we go there and shut up shop, a point would be huge but probably beyond our current lot based on yesterday’s showing. It’s vital we avoid another knock to our already fragile confidence as we all know it’s a slippery slope towards that FL trap door. Flitters got it right last year when we looked to be struggling...namely, back to basics and building from there. A further twist for next week is that Yeovil also have a Tory council...even more reason to want to avoid a hammering.

The ‘Iandolo not yet ready for the first team’ comments. It’s his fourth, yes fourth season as a professional footballer at Swindon. Never has been good enough (despite some early promises) and to be frank, the available evidence suggests he never will be good enough.

It’s criminal that he is starting matches for us despite Brown’s supposed embarrassment of riches in midfield.

Looking back on yesterday, I dont remember us getting a free kick even around the penalty area or even in the last third.  Guess it wouldn't have made any difference as Taylor would have claimed it and he hasn't exactly shone with dead ball situations this season.

 :)

You'd like to think Sid Nelson will feel at home as he played for Yeovil last season when Flitters team beat them 2-1.... further you'd like to think that Sid's later experience with Spireites of the FL relegtion trap door, along with that of Jak McCourt and Steven Alzate at Orient, would motivate them not to repeat.

Of those currently down with the dead men, you'd expect Notts to climb out but Macc and Morecambe could very easily both be already booked in... after all we've managed to narrowly beat them both.

Flitcroft? He can fuck right off. Including his last 11 games with us he’s won 7 out of 30 league games. The bloke is a fucking charlatan.

What the fuck has that got to do with anything? Apart from anything else, so do we.

Chang was taking the piss out of Reg. Rather well I have to say - credit where it's due...  :clap:

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We had 2 free kicks in the 1st half around their box both squandered by Taylor.

We do and I didn't vote for the toffy nosed bastard who tried to sue a Facebook page that he says libelled him and has also been spreading fake news the Aussie wank stain.

My God I hope we beat Yokelvil next week, I have had a relenteless stream of txts from several mates who support them already saying they will thrash us after beating Newport 6-0 away who were flying high on Saturday pre game.

If we play as badly on Saturday then that could be a possibility without a recognised right back playing.

This is now the time to show us what you are made of Mr Brown.

You made a couple of poor selections on Saturday and we paid the price, the team had no cohesion and looked devoid of ideas in midfield and also the ability to tackle and protect the defence.

We need to start with Anderson, Toums and Smith playing in place of Richards, McCourt and Iandolo if Doughty is still unfit, Bayo looks a far better option as a target man than Richards ever has.

RB is a major worry for us though, with only Woolf able to fill in there and he looks far better at CB with Romanski not quite being ready for the start at CB yet.

Woooosh! It was tired, I was late :)

Sounds like you haven't woken up yet Paul  :)

And that would be a counter-woooosh, I think :)

Glovers' favouritism may work to our advantage.... it isn't unusual for a side getting a massive win not being able to back it up next game, I'm kind of hoping Yeovil don't have a boycott game midweek.  Take last season for instance, Yeovil shipped 8 at Luton opening day, which Luton backed up by losing 1-0 at Barnet.

After we beat Bury 8-0, we lost at home to Exeter, which still remains the only time they've won a league game at the CG in my near 60 years.

If any of you haven't seen the highlights of the Newport v Yeovil game, take 2 mins out of your day and watch them, OMG possibly THE worst keeping performance by any professional I have ever seen, makes RCC and Moore look like world beaters, I would hazard a guess that LM or Vigs would have both easily kept every one of these goals out of the net, number 6 is a doozy, the man should be drug tested or maybe he had a bet on the result.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/yeovil-town/11499331/newport-0-6-yeovil

I make it 10 in 29 including his last 11 with us.   Since the swap PB has 5 wins in 18, Flitcroft 4 wins in 18.  Flitcroft 9 draws and PB 8.  Both have lost 5.  So PB 2 points better off. Not a whole lot in it

Flitcroft has only won 3 league games while manager at Mansfield from 21 games a win ratio of 16.6%.

PB has won 5 from 18 games a win ratio of 27.7%.

Nah... you're wrong on Flitcroft.  Perhaps including cup games. 

I would still rather have PB than Flipflop under any circumstance, I know you won't ever agree but I and many others would.

If I did possibly add it up wrong PB still has a higher win ratio with us than Flipflop at the Stags.

One quote (among many that are disliking of him and his style) about Flipflop from the Stags forum, sums him up.

I just look at the stats, then look at the circumstances they were achieved under and make a considered opinion.  I have no particular feeling either way, but do like to see accuracy.  There's not a lot between either, both jobbing lower league gaffers having to work with Power, PB may have a point or 2 on Flitcroft, which come the end of the season could be significant, but at this early stage is not much of a signifier.

I was watching the third when he makes the initial stop and then just gives up for the rebound, and thinking he can't do much worse than that... I was absolutely wrong :D

That was pretty excruciating... ???

Re. Flitcroft - I just think he is a bullshitting twat and an absolute imposter of a manager.
Analyze that Reg... ;)

I do not like Brown, my concerns being his schooling, and while he's managed in some tough situations (to get a win ratio up), it does beg the question about whether or not he can be a success.  However, after watching the first 8 games this season, I would happily take an eternity of watching his team vs. a Flitcroft team if they achieved the same results.  Flitcroft is a confirmed fuckwit who created the singularly worst team to watch in my living memory as a STFC fan (I watched some of the early 80's but was too little to remember any of it!).  I'd take Malpas and McMahon as joint Managers over him.

Would you have preferred a Doughty style alma mater  :hmmm:

Personally, I'm not overly fussed by a managers personality, if he gets decent results. So for example McMahon was a fairly unpleasant individual, but I was happy enough with him when we achieved our only Div 3 title.  Whereas Luke was a decent enough chap, but not sufficiently principled to walk when clearly out of his depth.... interestingly a decision supported by many on here, who said they'd do the same in his boots, whereas for me it's about being able to hold your head up.

PdC may have been a right wing loon, but was principled enough to walk over Ritchiegate

Brown has Allardyce as his original mentor and reputation suggests his teams end-up pragmatic in approach - it worried me when we recruited him, it still does today.  That being said, it is much more watchable recently than anything served up by Flitcroft.  Results wise they seem similar, so I'll take Brown (which is useful given that is how it will be).  Hopefully Saturday was Brown's version of the Crawley/Barnet versions under Flitcroft.  If that is the case, it wasn't as bad, small mercies!!

But after the Luke/Tactics/Power triumvirate, the pragmatic approach for life in Div 4 is exactly what we needed. 

Wait. You're not yet 60? The world's just tilted off its axis.  :eek:

Not well worded... 60 years of going to the CG

Phew. And you were 20 when you went to your first game, right?

55 according to this?  :hmmm:

Clearest memory....  too little to remember much earlier,  other than having been lifted over turnstile by the old man.

Ouch!  :)

Good work JJ. Which means Reg was maybe 4 or 5 years younger when he attended his first game (and apparently couldn't recall anything from up to five whole seasons - most unlike him). That still makes him no more than about 64. Which means he was younger than I am now when he started this Old Father Time thing.  ;)

:D

We've been duped! I had Reg down as an Octogenarian. Yet he's only shades older (if we're believed) than my parentals!

Hello Father  :soapy tit wank:

I've met Reg a few times, tbf to him he looks in good nick in real life. I'd have put him at about 60.

 :) I've always thought you a good judge of character.

You say as you see and you back up your opinions, I rarely agree with you but don't understand all the hate you get at all.

People don't hate Reg  ??? Reg is like a sage.

Reg's opinions and predictions are some of the most valuable on here. They might not be the most positive or optomistic at all time, but then we are supporting a club which has been on a steady decline for two decades.

I honestly don't get the hate he gets. I guess it's easier to attack someone for being a troll when you haven't got the intelligence to but a decent argument against what they are actually saying.

"You wouldn't have been saying that if we'd won" - Well no fucking shit, but we didn't.

This is completely true. I'd stuff him up a chicken's arse in a flash :)

Absolutely spot on. Reg’s points often make a lot of sense in my eyes.

Or maybe some of us genuinely just think he's a troll and are tired of going around in circles with the same old 'arguments'.

But hey ho, I suppose that means I (and others) must be lacking intelligence if you say so!

You would say that, I have always assumed that Reg was a caricature of your creation anyway?  ;)

I don't think anyone would say they hate Reg, I enjoy our disussions where our opinions differ.

I just don't always enjoy the trolling elemnet where there is almost always a negative spin whenever anyone puts anything positive on about STFC.

Each to their own though. I would have put Reg probably about 66 :)

If only he'd limit using that stroking chin emoji. I might read more posts. As soon as I see that I switch off. (as we're putting the interworld to rights)...

 :hmmm:

 :smugfu:

Hate certainly does not come into it. Make no mistake, Reg can be and often is a pain in the ass. He is overly negative, seems to get far too much enjoyment from our frequent and seemingly permanent struggles and his absolute favourite pastime is to be able to say I told you so (a broken clock is right twice a day)

That said if I was ever to meet him (one day I hopefully will) I'm absolutely sure I could spend several happy, beer fueled hours in his company.

Life is rarely black or white...

Similar to above, Reg can be a total pain in the arse. So can I, so can all of us. He does like the odd trolling session though...it's just something he clearly enjoys.

The truth is, most of us don't know each other in real life (even if we've met briefly and I'm sure there are a handful that are a bit more friendly and do know each other) and as OST says, life is rarely black and white.

I know that on here there are several that have a total dislike for me. I'm sure there are many things though that we have in common. One of course being STFC.

Going back to Reg, he and I both have a love of hiking/walking/the outdoors and nothing better than a relaxing day in the sun, watching cricket. I know we'd likely get on that sense of things.

I'd like to think though, if any one of us was ever in need of a chat about any crap in their life, that one of us would be on hand. I've said it before, I'd certainly extend my ears or a hand to let any of you chew my ear off and I stand by that.


We can all be stubborn and the bottom line is, some people really just aren't "our people.

Spot on OST, perfectly sums up my thoughts on our Reg too. 

I don't mind the negativity so much, there are certainly others who are worse.

For me it's the vagueness and never actually saying anything definitive. We'll probably lose but we could win or draw if certain things fall into place, we'll probably stay up but there's always a danger of relegation with an outside chance of play-offs.

Anybody can do that, although admittedly it takes intelligence to convince people that you're doing otherwise.

  ;D I think you've got Reg to a tee there.

100% - and then, as others have suggested, calling out anyone who has made a prediction and got it wrong really does take the piss.

My mum was Eastern European, so in all likelihood I'm one of the Reg Smeeton love child generation.

So I won't hear a bad word said against the great man and am very proud to carry the Smeeton genes.

 :hmmm: