New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Reply from the trust: think it’s clear that they won’t be pushing a Clem out narrative until they are pushed out of the club.

Don't see the point in the trust then personally. Because the club have been proven not to be trustworthy.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

It’s also noticeable how everyone outside the club, supporters of other teams can see the problems and see that things clearly aren’t right yet a lot of our fans still can’t see it.

Quite unbelievable.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

It’s probably very unrealistic, but I’d like them to completely cut ties, other than the JV, and even with that, I’d like them to say they won’t be agreeing to any redevelopment under their ownership.

Tell them you have no confidence in them, won’t be attending any more advisory board meetings, and other than receiving rent payments for the ground, want no role with them.

This.

The fans (that are paying attention) have no confidence in the ownership. So the trust should do what they exist to do and represent them.

[Posh Red]

This.

The fans (that are paying attention) have no confidence in the ownership. So the trust should do what they exist to do and represent them.

The problem is that most of those that are (as you put it) paying attention aren't members of the Trust or don't interact with them.

I guess the question is should the Trust represent their members, or fans those fans that have no interest in them?

[Wobbly Bob]

Tricky one this.
I'd say that it's better for the Trust to have a foot in the door & chip away rather than being pretty much frozen out as under Power.

The Club also have to be aware that completely alienating the Trust could be a tipping point.

The Trust have made their position clear in that Morfuni should sell up & they have lost confidence in the ownership (not read back on the exact wording of the open letter so could be mistaken).

Although I wouldn't want it to happen, would like to think that relegation or a very near miss would unite the fanbase.

Never really been the activist type but relegation would be an on the pitch moment for sure with a possible go at the directors box as well.

After that it would be no holds barred & anything goes...

[4D]

We were close to relegation last year Bobster, yet fans applauded at the end of games 

[UTR]

Tricky one this.
I'd say that it's better for the Trust to have a foot in the door & chip away rather than being pretty much frozen out as under Power.

The Club also have to be aware that completely alienating the Trust could be a tipping point.

The Trust have made their position clear in that Morfuni should sell up & they have lost confidence in the ownership (not read back on the exact wording of the open letter so could be mistaken).

Although I wouldn't want it to happen, would like to think that relegation or a very near miss would unite the fanbase.

Never really been the activist type but relegation would be an on the pitch moment for sure with a possible go at the directors box as well.

After that it would be no holds barred & anything goes...

In two minds with this. Agree that it’s a tricky position that needs to be handled carefully by the Trust.

Not sure I agree on the relegation/near relegation point. We weren’t going down last season but for the place we did finish, it should have been enough to unite the fanbase that what we’re seeing isn’t good enough. Instead (as mentioned above), it was still split and there were still sections applauding/content/looking down on those voicing displeasure. I think it was the last home game of last season where I had a discussion with a gentleman pre match (started by him) who seemed confused about where the negativity was coming from, further digging into his reasoning led to the discovery it was being fuelled because he’d met the owner for 2 minutes or something at some point in the past. That conversation was a real eye opener as it showed that there’s no real conversation/changing the mind of those.

And that’s not from a condescending point of view either, fair play to those that can remain positive in these circumstances, it just makes it extremely hard to find a line where the fanbase can unite well enough.

Going down is far too late in my opinion.

[4D]

I guess you'll always get the "I will support my club through thick and thin" type who look down on the complainers and abstainers as not being proper fans. Some just seem happy to have a club to support and take no notice of what is happening right in front of their face. I can't think of any other club that would fall into the abyss without their fans kicking up a stink, except us.

Ironically I fall into the not bothering to do anything category as I am giving less of a fuck about this club. Been draining for years, maybe that's why the apathy is there.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Yeah it shouldn't take actual relegation for us to unite and get these cunts out. We should be actively trying to prevent that from happening.

The writing is on the wall. Anyone still with their heads in the sand now are in total denial. We're absolutely praying for two shitter teams than us this season as some sort of gift from the gods.

People need a fucking rocket up their ass without actual relegation confirmed.

[4D]

Just a quick refresher....

https://truststfc.com/2021/04/12/truststfc-press-release-9-4-21-clem-morfuni-outlines-vision-for-stfc-reiterates-commitment-at-trust-board-meeting/

"They've suffered enough" 

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

I had a discussion with a gentleman pre match (started by him) who seemed confused about where the negativity was coming from, further digging into his reasoning led to the discovery it was being fuelled because he’d met the owner for 2 minutes or something at some point in the past. That conversation was a real eye opener as it showed that there’s no real conversation/changing the mind of those.

Good post but yeah this bit sums it up doesn't it?

I'm convinced Clems charm offensive means that a section of the fan base will never hear a bad word said about him. Especially those of a certain demographic.

I don't mean to sound ageist but fuck me how many of them are blokes in their 70s? One hand shake and a smile and you could quite literally piss down their leg and say its raining and they'd be fine with it. There was a congregation of them at the fans forum where it kicked off tutting and shaking their heads in any time negativity come up.

Its infuriating.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

I guess you'll always get the "I will support my club through thick and thin" type who look down on the complainers and abstainers as not being proper fans. Some just seem happy to have a club to support and take no notice of what is happening right in front of their face. I can't think of any other club that would fall into the abyss without their fans kicking up a stink, except us.

Ironically I fall into the not bothering to do anything category as I am giving less of a fuck about this club. Been draining for years, maybe that's why the apathy is there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_positivity

textbook.

[Nemo]

Lots of MPs have a personal vote from people who've met them and had a good experience or saw them at a community event, and stick with them even if they don't like their party/policies.

It's a first impression thing I think - Clem came in riding a wave of positivity, was very high profile when popular. When things have gone less well, he's been much less visible. People's first impressions really last - it's one of the reasons I think Kennedy is basically screwed already.

[Frigby Daser]

The Trust can operate effectively as a “critical friend” and bridge to the supporters if there are capable and trustworthy owners.

If the owners are so obviously incapable and so obviously dishonest, then we don’t need a bridge to them, you need an activist group to be a catalyst for their removal and replacement.

The Trust began life as a group of activists to get rid of Diamandis. It did the same with Power, and then it played a role in Morfuni’s takeover. It now needs to break away from being a critical friend, back to being the activist group, and this time finding better owners.

[Ardiles]

It now needs to break away from being a critical friend, back to being the activist group, and this time finding better owners.

Agreed.  I worry, though, that the JV Agreement - and the working arrangements that will have been established between the Trust & the Club to make it work - will get in the way of that.