Let's Get Political!

[ron dodgers]

Sunak is dire but Starmer is even worse.

Is there any position he has not flip flopped on- everything he stood on to be leader in 2020 he has gone back on.
Yep and nope

He has been openly against the nuclear deterrant as has that gobshite ginger minger from Aston-under-Lyme - now they favour it obviously just because an election is coming up

You love her don't you, you want her, you need her oops you just spaffed

[4D]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2qql1wk794o

 

[Batch]

The struggle is real.

I bet his parents were the type who "wouldn't have that ugly dustbin lid up on our house for the neighbours to see" types. They really did exist.

[The Grim Reaper]

   “Nigel Farage’s Reform UK party has overtaken the Conservatives in a national opinion poll for the first time, in the latest setback for Rishi Sunak and his faltering Tory election campaign.

Reform has climbed two percentage points to 19 per cent, overtaking the Tories who remained on 18 per cent, according to a YouGov poll, which put Labour on 37 per cent.”

From today’s Financial Times

[Nemo]

Some interesting stuff in recent polls - clearly that one that puts Reform ahead is an outlier, but there's certainly momentum and Reform are pulling more from the Tories. Labour are losing a few points to the Lib Dems, but focused in areas where Lib Dems are best placed to beat the Tories - the "leftish" tactical vote appears to be pretty strong, while the Tory/Reform right is much less well sorted. Under first past the post, that's a disaster for the right as we could easily end up with something like:

Labour/Lib Dem/SNP/Plaid = 60% of the vote
Tory/Reform = 40% of the vote

And then the seats being more like 90:10 or more. Will be interesting to see if voting reform suddenly becomes much more popular on the right!

(For historical nerds, it's almost the inverse of 1983 where the Liberal/SDP Alliance and Labour split the vote so thoroughly that they combined for 3 million more votes than Thatcher, 50% of the total, and got absolutely annihilated on seats)

[Robinz]

Farage must take the cake............

Entertainment value simply great especially his speech in Brussels when openly accusing the European members of never working a day in their lives

However Nigel, as for a sincere political person ask yourself has the British people got anything like the Brexit deal they were promised by you. I think not.

[Audrey]

Europe is lurching to the right and will continue to do so unless and until immigration is somehow sorted. Dangerous times coming I reckon.

[Robinz]

Only way to stop the migration challenges is to let these people have their own countries back in a "fit to live in" condition prior to the West caused so much destruction.

That said, with the issues of global warming which is causing even more starvation and difficulties perhaps the mass movement of people around the world is going to happen what ever the reasons.   

[Robinz]

As you say... dangerous times are approaching. 

[Moss]

Sunak is dire but Starmer is even worse.

Is there any position he has not flip flopped on- everything he stood on to be leader in 2020 he has gone back on.

He has been openly against the nuclear deterrant as has that gobshite ginger minger from Aston-under-Lyme - now they favour it obviously just because an election is coming up

Your posts sound like they have been written by the Tory press office. Are you capable of independent thought?

Politics means being aware of changing circumstances and responding. He had to respond to a party on its knees to reforming it one about to sweep to power within about 4 years. They have changed their mind because, perhaps, Russia have invaded Ukraine and talked about using nuclear weapons.

This is called adapting to world events. Politics.

And what is it exactly about the working class woman who has gone from single parent to potential deputy PM you don't like exactly?

[RobertT]

Europe is lurching to the right and will continue to do so unless and until immigration is somehow sorted. Dangerous times coming I reckon.

Immigration is not going to be fixed because nobody is fixing the causes, one of which (as Robinz mentions) is only going to get worse.  Millions upon millions of people live in ware ravaged or climate ravaged areas of the world, through no choice of their own, just by the luck of birth.  By our nature we are a nomadic and aggressive species, so people are always going to strive for a better life and try and take it.  I live in an immigrant Country, guess what their hot topic is as well.

Fix the causes.
Create an efficient immigration process
Plan for it

[Outletred]

Your posts sound like they have been written by the Tory press office. Are you capable of independent thought?

Politics means being aware of changing circumstances and responding. He had to respond to a party on its knees to reforming it one about to sweep to power within about 4 years. They have changed their mind because, perhaps, Russia have invaded Ukraine and talked about using nuclear weapons.

This is called adapting to world events. Politics.

And what is it exactly about the working class woman who has gone from single parent to potential deputy PM you don't like exactly?

I am not a fan of either of the 2 main parties.

All politicians change their minds yes- but not to the extend Starmer has in the last 5 years. Practically every policy he stood on in 2020 to become leader he has ditched. Make of that what you will

[Audrey]

Politics doesnt change people’s perception of it - that’s what makes it dangerous.

[mystical_goat]

All politicians change their minds yes- but not to the extend Starmer has in the last 5 years. Practically every policy he stood on in 2020 to become leader he has ditched. Make of that what you will

Except for the nuclear one, do you have any specific examples? If he's done it for, "Practically every policy he stood on," then there should be loads.

[Nemo]

Except for the nuclear one, do you have any specific examples? If he's done it for, "Practically every policy he stood on," then there should be loads.

To be absolutely fair, Starmer has moved a long way since winning the leadership election in a still-mostly-Corbynite membership - here are his pledges at that point, bar #10 you could argue he's moved away from all of them.

https://www.clpd.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Keir-Starmers-10-Pledges.pdf

I don't think it's unreasonable to say Starmer is a chameleon - but I think it makes sense that he has, because the economic and political reality has changed since 2020 - before Covid, before Truss toileted the economy, before Russia invaded Ukraine.