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« Reply #11445 on: Saturday, May 8, 2021, 18:40:24 »

Not a snipe by me LL and a shame he didn't carry on as he was becoming a real threat to the big two and who knows where it could have taken him.
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« Reply #11446 on: Saturday, May 8, 2021, 18:59:03 »

my theory , older, poorer  people voting cons , younger more affluent voting lab or green, another ten years boomers like me disappearing  then it may change, always changes, change is constant
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« Reply #11447 on: Saturday, May 8, 2021, 21:28:49 »

Completely agree fb, bamboo that's one of the shittest "hot takes" I've read since I got blocked by Alan Nixon

I swear your post was a bit more violent this morning. Something about smacking bamboo about in a pub? Did you get a ninja edit in or am I losing the plot or both or all of the above?
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« Reply #11448 on: Saturday, May 8, 2021, 22:34:25 »

Spot on. What a load of patronising guff. If bamboo tried spouting any of that bollocks in any of the pubs I used to drink in growing up, he'd get sparked out within the first sentence. Fucking hell.

Ahh see, cruelty disguised under the wrath of thunderous and conventional pious aspirations is much more sly than an honest punch square in the gob. Nice one. Succinct. Bop!
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« Reply #11449 on: Sunday, May 9, 2021, 01:39:40 »

I'm not sure it's a policy issue (most people do not even bother to look at manifesto related stuff), it's more the way Labour comes across as "knowing what's good for you".  Instead of settling on some big ideas and selling them, they talk at and down to people about why they should be happy about what they are selling.



Fair point, methinks.
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« Reply #11450 on: Sunday, May 9, 2021, 01:50:34 »

I swear your post was a bit more violent this morning. Something about smacking bamboo about in a pub? Did you get a ninja edit in or am I losing the plot or both or all of the above?

There's been some sort ninjary editing going on or something. I'm a bit lost myself.

The 'non-violent' one was the one I saw before I went out, yet Bamboo has since quoted the 'get sparked out' version - 4 1/2 hours after the original was posted.  Hmmm

Maybe it's just the time zones fucking with my booze-addled brain?


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« Reply #11451 on: Sunday, May 9, 2021, 04:53:19 »

my theory , older, poorer  people voting cons , younger more affluent voting lab or green, another ten years boomers like me disappearing  then it may change, always changes, change is constant
Which is really all ass about face. I’m a non voter but if I did at my age, 66, I’d be voting Labour for the NHS, pensions etc. If I was younger then perhaps Tory for lower interest rates, mortgage, paying less in tax etc.

I don’t vote for either because, to me, they’re all a bunch of chancers who don’t deserve to be validated by my vote.

I’d much rather have mega devolution down to town/city/county level where the fuckers would, hopefully, be more visible/accountable.
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« Reply #11452 on: Sunday, May 9, 2021, 09:26:24 »

Probably the biggest problem Labour have is that the Tory party have adopted a big-state, high-spending, higher-tax approach to government. The talk of "levelling up" in the North would suggest it will continue, but we will see on that one, Johnson does seem to want to make it stick though.

Labour really need to work out what their gig is, and to be fair to them that might be quite hard until the pandemic fall out has settled down.
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« Reply #11453 on: Sunday, May 9, 2021, 10:54:05 »

Probably the biggest problem Labour have is that the Tory party have adopted a big-state, high-spending, higher-tax approach to government. The talk of "levelling up" in the North would suggest it will continue, but we will see on that one, Johnson does seem to want to make it stick though.

Labour really need to work out what their gig is, and to be fair to them that might be quite hard until the pandemic fall out has settled down.

You should say that to my mate Psycho Trev down the pub! He'd probably agree with you and have a long discussion about labour's failure to find an identity after the re-purging of it's left and it's positional in the political spectrum both relative to the overton window and more absolute terms of apparently abandoning its socialist core.
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« Reply #11454 on: Sunday, May 9, 2021, 16:25:20 »

There's been some sort ninjary editing going on or something. I'm a bit lost myself.

The 'non-violent' one was the one I saw before I went out, yet Bamboo has since quoted the 'get sparked out' version - 4 1/2 hours after the original was posted.  Hmmm

Maybe it's just the time zones fucking with my booze-addled brain?



I did change it, because I thought the reference to getting sparked out was unnecessary, albeit true. Patronising shite.
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« Reply #11455 on: Sunday, May 9, 2021, 19:07:52 »

Labour should merge with the Greens. The working class no longer exist in the same way that they did when the party was formed. Racism has been somewhat abandoned by the media savvy element of the Conservative party. The world has moved on. We need a new party for England. Labour is dead.
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« Reply #11456 on: Sunday, May 9, 2021, 22:50:34 »

I did change it, because I thought the reference to getting sparked out was unnecessary, albeit true. Patronising shite.

That's rich, coming from you.
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« Reply #11457 on: Monday, May 10, 2021, 08:40:34 »

my theory , older, poorer  people voting cons , younger more affluent voting lab or green, another ten years boomers like me disappearing  then it may change, always changes, change is constant

There is a degree of truth in this and its supported by certain research I read ages back. The principle issue seems to be that people tend to be more centrist, left wing and idealist when they are younger, but traditionally the trigger for many to become more right wing is the safety of home owning, now that is becoming less and less of an option for the younger population hence why the demography of Tory voters tends to be getting older, however the point where the Tories benefit, at least up here, is that our population is ageing rapidly as young people go to uni or whatever and then migrate to cities for work, hence the Tories do well in Cumbria as its an aged population who own houses, and this is reflected across the shires.

However, I see that with all the fuss about Hartlepool what has been happening down south has been rather overlooked. BTW this possibly sums up Hartlepool https://twitter.com/resophonick/status/1391288617449005058?s=20

The Tories took quite a kicking in rural Oxfordshire, Surrey, Sussex, Cambridgeshire, Kent, so is this the beginning of the collapse of the old Blue Wall, it seems fuck business does not go down too well with those who depend on London for business and their jobs.

I see even Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells now seems to be disgusted with the Tories.

I will link this which makes interesting reading TL:DR big changes could be a foot for all parties/countries of the Union.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1391318940249382913.html... 
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« Reply #11458 on: Monday, May 10, 2021, 08:51:20 »

Labour should merge with the Greens.

Possibly so, I wish the Greens and LD's would stop being all coy and just get it on if nothing else!

The working class no longer exist in the same way that they did when the party was formed. Racism has been somewhat abandoned by the media savvy element of the Conservative party. The world has moved on. We need a new party for England. Labour is dead.

Indeed, the events of last week just emphasised this point. A young person living in urban rented accommodation with little chance of buying their own house and working as a barista or call centre operative is working class under any meaningful definition of the term, even if they have an arts degree and think that Black Lives Matter. A retired person living in a house they own outright with a guaranteed pension is not working class under any meaningful definition of the term, even if they own several cloth caps and whippets and only eat pie and chips.

The results of last week are all proof that the old fashioned no longer relevant class divide isn't where it's at; it's a culture war. Stockbrokers from Surrey, horrified at what's happening to the City; genteel ladies in leafy Hertfordshire curling their lips at Johnson. Trad working classes mourning the Brexit Party, voting Tory...

I still have to titter at the idea that as Labour are apparently elite, I know I will vote for a party who hierarchy is founded on these social warriors. I understand you might not want to vote for LAbour (I rarely have), but really?


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« Reply #11459 on: Monday, May 10, 2021, 09:29:19 »

In the articles I've read about the proposed voter ID law I can't see a benefit case being quoted or an issue being sized and addressed. I do feel slightly gaslit that this is an immediate issue for the government
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