Mick Philpott

[RobertT]

How many benefit scroungers do you need to balance the tax a company like Starbucks or Google should have paid if the tax laws were adequately created and enforced at the top end?

Don't get me wrong, I rant about people getting something for nothing, but a sense of perspective is needed.

[fatbasher]

profiteering from the nhs some people need to get real. we are a country that has been in near constant defecit since the first world war. whether we like it or not, the nhs budget cannot be ring fenced forever!

Careful, you're sounding like a nasty Tory.....

[herthab]

Anyone who feels any real allegiance to any political party is a fucking idiot. Unless you're part of the ruling class, you are deluding yourself if you think any of them have your best interests at heart.
We are constantly lied to, fobbed off and dismissed, yet most of us are too apathetic to give a shit. Even writing the above was a bit of a struggle for me, think I'll have a drink, watch some mindless TV and let someone else worry...

[Levi lapper]

profiteering from the nhs some people need to get real. we are a country that has been in near constant defecit since the first world war. whether we like it or not, the nhs budget cannot be ring fenced forever!

Yeah I'm sure there won't be any profit in £110 Billion of contracted expenditure going into the private sector.
I must be stupid.

[Not that Nice If I'm Honest]

Firstly the Welfare State came form an idea, by William Beveridge, a sometime Liberal MP. Secondly it was more than a safety net...proposing that this system would provide a minimum standard of living "below which no one should be allowed to fall". It recommended that the government should find ways of fighting the five 'Giant Evils' of Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness.

Beveridge was also a member of the Eugenics Society...which may seem odd for a Liberal, but if you're looking to have a perfect society, sometimes difficult decisions might need to be taken.

Trouble is,the welfare state was devised in an era when there was real social pressure to try and get a job.

We live in a different era now, where some (not not most) of the unemployed are more than happy to live a life on benefits with no apparent desire to get a job.

So (I don't claim to know the answers), we need a new welfare model that looks after the genuine, and identifies the spongers.

I personally would be more than happy to see the welfare payments to the genuine people rise, but I hate seeing the likes of Philpott living it up at our expense.

[woolster]

Trouble is,the welfare state was devised in an era when there was real social pressure to try and get a job.

We live in a different era now, where some (not not most) of the unemployed are more than happy to live a life on benefits with no apparent desire to get a job.

So (I don't claim to know the answers), we need a new welfare model that looks after the genuine, and identifies the spongers.
I personally would be more than happy to see the welfare payments to the genuine people rise, but I hate seeing the likes of Philpott living it up at our expense.

Spot on post IMO

[Peter Gibbons]

Yeah I'm sure there won't be any profit in £110 Billion of contracted expenditure going into the private sector.
I must be stupid.

I don't doubt it, but that was not my point.  My point was that we will have to get used to it because there is no way on this planet our country is going to be able to afford free healthcare forever.  There is ample motivation to change the system beyond just profiteering.  

In any event, the tories will never make a profit because the lizards have already cornered the market, when they get a free moment from demolishing the world trade centre and assassinating presidents from the grassy knoll  

[jonny72]

we need a new welfare model that looks after the genuine, and identifies the spongers.

Again, you're listening to the spin from politicians - there aren't that many real spongers. What you do have is a lot of people that at some point wanted to work but have been let down and had their soul destroyed by the system. Pretty much all the people you could class as spongers were created by the system.

The changes that need to be made are to enable people to better themselves and find work. But the support that is given is pretty much zero, whilst they try to find any excuse they can to stop paying you benefits.

[woolster]

Again, you're listening to the spin from politicians - there aren't that many real spongers. What you do have is a lot of people that at some point wanted to work but have been let down and had their soul destroyed by the system. Pretty much all the people you could class as spongers were created by the system.

The changes that need to be made are to enable people to better themselves and find work. But the support that is given is pretty much zero, whilst they try to find any excuse they can to stop paying you benefits.

Sorry, but you clearly don't have a clue, the amount of lazy twats out there is out of control, I see it every day, AND they don't hide it either, yes there are genuine people but for fuck sake take off your rose tinted glasses, this scum are fucking this country

[Reg Smeeton]

Sorry, but you clearly don't have a clue, the amount of lazy twats out there is out of control, I see it every day, AND they don't hide it either, yes there are genuine people but for fuck sake take off your rose tinted glasses, this scum are fucking this country

Bring back the workhouse...

[woolster]

Bring back the workhouse...

No stop there benefits, EXAMPLE, one man who I see has 3 cars, smokes, plays darts in a pub league 2 nights a week, BUT claims benefits

[joteddyred]

No stop there benefits, EXAMPLE, one man who I see has 3 cars, smokes, plays darts in a pub league 2 nights a week, BUT claims benefits

What do you do for a living Woolster?

[woolster]

What do you do for a living Woolster?

I'm a plasterer, updating tenants houses, and a lot of these people on benefits have a better standard of living than what I have

[jonny72]

Sorry, but you clearly don't have a clue, the amount of lazy twats out there is out of control, I see it every day, AND they don't hide it either, yes there are genuine people but for fuck sake take off your rose tinted glasses, this scum are fucking this country

It's this kind of attitude that is fucking over the country. Even if there is the high level of people taking the piss, all of the changes the government have made hit EVERYBODY exactly the same. You could be working your bollocks off trying to find a job and willing to accept minimum wage, but you're still going to get caught in the punishments the government claim are aimed to tackle the cheats.

No stop there benefits, EXAMPLE, one man who I see has 3 cars, smokes, plays darts in a pub league 2 nights a week, BUT claims benefits

A couple earning £150k each are allowed to claim £1200 child care benefits for each of their children.

I take it these people are the scum you're referring to?

[woolster]

It's this kind of attitude that is fucking over the country. Even if there is the high level of people taking the piss, all of the changes the government have made hit EVERYBODY exactly the same. You could be working your bollocks off trying to find a job and willing to accept minimum wage, but you're still going to get caught in the punishments the government claim are aimed to tackle the cheats.

A couple earning £150k each are allowed to claim £1200 child care benefits for each of their children.
I take it these people are the scum you're referring to?

you have gone off the topic, wasn't we talking about people sponging, yes the child care benefits for a £150k household is up for debate, but they are paying into the system,