Mick Philpott

[Honkytonk]

As someone who's recently signed up for JSA I would not like to be hanged ta.

[Reg Smeeton]

A very sensible post if I may say so.

The medicine for the ills of this nation are very bitter and swallowing it even harder. The choice is to carry on and ignore it like has been happening for many years or deal with it. Dealing with it is a complex thing.

You see my politics and I vote conservative (not that that should matter) because i work and believe that everyone who can should provide for themselves. But the welfare system based on it's orginal idea by Bevan was as a safety net and rightly so (see I'm not a hard nosed Tory cunt, well for a working class ex council house kid with fuck all qualifications anyway) that those in need should be helped by the rest. Sadly like an exwife, the more you give the more they want or should I say take?

Even in so called prosperous times we should be putting money away for future generations, but we don't. We spend it on all sorts of shit. Then when the shit hits the fan and we struggle financially as a nation the ones who suffer are those in work irespective of what you do and how much you earn and clearly those at the higher end of the pay scale seem to be less affected than those lower down. However, there will always be higher earners and they should not be taxed to death to pay for everyone else as they will piss off and earn their dosh in another country and pay no tax at all.

Then there are those who appear on benefits to never seem to struggle to meet their obligations. Ok, so you're going to come up with an array of people you know who struggle and get not help in one way or another (there my fellow TEF followers lies a fundamental problem, where do you start and where do you draw the line?) etc. I reckon if I lost my job I'd get little or no help to pay my mortgage or other obligations other than JSA. The likes of Phillpot are I agree at the extreme end of the benefits gravy train and do no justice to those at the other end who would love to get back to work and be able to hold their heads up high by earning their own corn.

It is a tough choice to make and the cake at any point is an ecconomic cycle is only so big to cut up and dish out with so many hands being held out to take a slice.

Phillpot should be hung, but we'd need to be out of Europe to do that, so as I have bored the fucking pants off you so far, don't get me started on Europe.

Firstly the Welfare State came form an idea, by William Beveridge, a sometime Liberal MP. Secondly it was more than a safety net...proposing that this system would provide a minimum standard of living "below which no one should be allowed to fall". It recommended that the government should find ways of fighting the five 'Giant Evils' of Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness.

Beveridge was also a member of the Eugenics Society...which may seem odd for a Liberal, but if you're looking to have a perfect society, sometimes difficult decisions might need to be taken.

[Honkytonk]

Beveridge was also a member of the Eugenics Society...which may seem odd for a Liberal, but if you're looking to have a perfect society, sometimes difficult decisions might need to be taken.

Churchill was a fan of Eugenics too.

Was fashionable and 'modern' back then.

[spacey]

This thread is heading into Daily Mail comments section territory.

NO IT ISN'T!!!!!!!!!!

[Levi lapper]

A very sensible post if I may say so.

The medicine for the ills of this nation are very bitter and swallowing it even harder. The choice is to carry on and ignore it like has been happening for many years or deal with it. Dealing with it is a complex thing.

You see my politics and I vote conservative (not that that should matter) because i work and believe that everyone who can should provide for themselves. But the welfare system based on it's orginal idea by Bevan was as a safety net and rightly so (see I'm not a hard nosed Tory cunt, well for a working class ex council house kid with fuck all qualifications anyway) that those in need should be helped by the rest. Sadly like an exwife, the more you give the more they want or should I say take?

Even in so called prosperous times we should be putting money away for future generations, but we don't. We spend it on all sorts of shit. Then when the shit hits the fan and we struggle financially as a nation the ones who suffer are those in work irespective of what you do and how much you earn and clearly those at the higher end of the pay scale seem to be less affected than those lower down. However, there will always be higher earners and they should not be taxed to death to pay for everyone else as they will piss off and earn their dosh in another country and pay no tax at all.

Then there are those who appear on benefits to never seem to struggle to meet their obligations. Ok, so you're going to come up with an array of people you know who struggle and get not help in one way or another (there my fellow TEF followers lies a fundamental problem, where do you start and where do you draw the line?) etc. I reckon if I lost my job I'd get little or no help to pay my mortgage or other obligations other than JSA. The likes of Phillpot are I agree at the extreme end of the benefits gravy train and do no justice to those at the other end who would love to get back to work and be able to hold their heads up high by earning their own corn.

It is a tough choice to make and the cake at any point is an ecconomic cycle is only so big to cut up and dish out with so many hands being held out to take a slice.

Phillpot should be hung, but we'd need to be out of Europe to do that, so as I have bored the fucking pants off you so far, don't get me started on Europe.












 

Fuck me. You want to get out of Europe so we can hang a fucking no mark.

The people who enjoy the biggest hand outs are the ruling class not the poor. Working class council house dwellers like you then want to turn on your own to protect millionaires, if it wasn't so fucking sad it would be funny.

[fatbasher]

Fuck me. You want to get out of Europe so we can hang a fucking no mark.

The people who enjoy the biggest hand outs are the ruling class not the poor. Working class council house dwellers like you then want to turn on your own to protect millionaires, if it wasn't so fucking sad it would be funny.

Rock on comrade. You need to read my post again.

[Levi lapper]

Rock on comrade. You need to read my post again.

You think the people who are suffering are those in work? Do you have any idea what is happening out there to those who can't find work? Or those lucky enough to be enjoying all those minimum wage, short term, unregular hours wonderful new jobs that have created recently? At the same time the Tories are reducing benefits, removing the social fund etc and privatising the nhs so they can profiteer from it. The safety net is being cut away right now for the vast majority who want to work and contribute to this society.

Tories don't care about the working classes, they are cannon and contact centre fodder. And working class Tories are the worst of the lot.
I'm much more fortunate than most, but I would rather pay even more tax and live in a civilised society where we look after people when they need help, than demonise people who are down on their luck. You won't agree with me, I don't  agree with you, I'm right, you are wrong 

[london_red]

but I would rather pay even more tax and live in a civilised society where we look after people when they need help, than demonise people who are down on their luck.

I agree with this - I'm an ardent supporter of having a National Health Service and welfare system that protects the quality of life of those who are for one reason and another unable to do so themselves.

HOWEVER, the system as it is now is fundamentally broken. Rather than being what it should be - a safety net for those who can't find work or are unable to work - it has been overly skewed into incentivising those who conciously choose to stay at home having as many kids as possible rather than contribute to society. Whilst I realise they may be a minority, and one that has more exposure than it should, the allocation of resources needs seriously addressing.

[DMR]

So you think Philpott should be hanged as a deterrent against what exactly? Being on benefits?

I don't follow.

Intentional or not, the fact that he's torched 6 nippers might have something to do with it...

[sonicyouth]

Intentional or not, the fact that he's torched 6 nippers might have something to do with it...

I still don't understand how being on benefits made him do it.

[Ginginho]

I still don't understand how being on benefits made him do it.

http://newsthump.com/2013/04/05/osborne-blames-taxpayers-for-funding-mick-philpotts-lavish-lifestyle/

[Arriba]

I agree with this - I'm an ardent supporter of having a National Health Service and welfare system that protects the quality of life of those who are for one reason and another unable to do so themselves.

HOWEVER, the system as it is now is fundamentally broken. Rather than being what it should be - a safety net for those who can't find work or are unable to work - it has been overly skewed into incentivising those who conciously choose to stay at home having as many kids as possible rather than contribute to society. Whilst I realise they may be a minority, and one that has more exposure than it should, the allocation of resources needs seriously addressing.

Agree 100% with the above.
The Tories are appalling and going after the wrong people hitting those on benefits in the pocket. That doesn't excuse scum like Phillpott who fire kids out for fun and live comfortably at our expense. It needs dealing with. How they have allowed the super rich to be better off is even worse but another issue.

[Peter Gibbons]

profiteering from the nhs some people need to get real. we are a country that has been in near constant defecit since the first world war. whether we like it or not, the nhs budget cannot be ring fenced forever!

[jonny72]

HOWEVER, the system as it is now is fundamentally broken. Rather than being what it should be - a safety net for those who can't find work or are unable to work - it has been overly skewed into incentivising those who conciously choose to stay at home having as many kids as possible rather than contribute to society. Whilst I realise they may be a minority, and one that has more exposure than it should, the allocation of resources needs seriously addressing.

Unfortunately you along with many other people in the country have fallen for the rubbish being spouted by the Tory front bench. Rather than deal with those who are taking advantage (who are a small minority) they're using them as an excuse to hit everyone at the bottom of the pile financially to help balance the books.

They don't care about getting people in to work, they don't care about being fair, they just want to make sure they win the next election and those at the bottom are unlikely to vote for them so they really don't give a shit about them.

[ChinaWhitenRed]

Philpot's crime.............Being incredibly fuckin stupid. When he gets inside I am sure there will be plenty of people who will remind him of his stupidity every day. One good thing which comes out of this is the gene pool will no longer be diluted by this fuckin retard.