When Sonic Met Bob

[RobertT]

I respect that people deserve a chance to put their side, and nothing is black and white in life.

However, having gone through this several times (and probably having begun with a much more pro than negative stance) I can categorically state, in public, that I have absolutely no time for Bob Holt or Mike Diamandis.  Significantly, the latter is the only real one that matters as he effectively has complete control of the club.  Holt has shown from previous meetings his true colours to me, that he simply cannot resist his efforts to belittle and deal in gambits rather than really telling it as it is.  TBH, I didn't realise until recently that he was an ex Maxwell employee, but his style has always struck me as school bully.

Starnes on the other hand has always struck me as the only guy in the boardroom with any football knowledge, just not quite up to the job of being a football clubs Chief Exec.

Lambert is not on the board, however has always been good to deal with.

Bowden - willing to give him the time to show his worth, but he quickly managed to show it was little.  His public posturing is frankly embarassing given his role at the club.

So, what does all that prove - having met them all several times, the sooner they are relieved of control the better, but ultimately it's only Diamandis who needs to be removed - completely, with no residue.  The rest can do what they like, prove themselves as being up to the job to a new owner if necessary.  As many times as you can meet people like Starnes, you simply are dealing with an employee who can easily be overuled by the "boss".

Strangely, it's only since getting involved and speaking to them that my position has become so negative.  So many flase dawns in that time.

[Christy]

Great effort James, predictably met with heels dug in scorn.  Two factions: one conference consequence. History repeating itself, if we don't learn the lessons from what really happened at the Pox, we'll soon join them - and deserve it.  

Maybe we could have saved ourselves all the trouble and created one uber miserable excuse of a football club in 1984.

a kind of "Pin the tail on the donkey" bidding process

There's an idea: what is there to lose? And it might even be more productive than hide and fucking seek.

[Razzledazzle]

I wouldn't believe anything the board have to say, the fact of the matter is that they are deliberately making it as difficult as possible for the consortium to takeover the club.

After all the lies i don't know how anyone can listen to what they have to say, they will try and sweet talk people but that would not work with me.

[redbullzeye]

I asked Holt why he felt the need to gesture after the game on Saturday and he apologised if it was misconstrued as he was, apparently, giving his approval of us. .

 
Sonic - I've got other observations on TUMDFC but the above quote is complete and utter cock.  I'm not shooting the messenger and good work for getting this info but for Holt to say he wa doing anything other than abusing the fans is rancid shite and he knows it.  As a veteran of Bob Maxwell's newspaper days I'm sure Bob can more that handle the abuse - I hope so - fuck off you two faced ignorant moron and the next time you want to diss fans get your beak-face down to ground level and have it out with us face to face.   :fu: Bowden may look like Stelios but at least he's got the balls to face up to us.

[Razzledazzle]

I agree with redbullzeye, Holt gestured and meant it no doubt about it, he can deny it all he looks but we know what he did, he's too coward to come down, he has to hide upstairs, Holt just loves putting us fans down.

[sonic youth]

I wouldn't believe anything the board have to say, the fact of the matter is that they are deliberately making it as difficult as possible for the consortium to takeover the club.

What proof do you have that they're lying? I constantly see you banging on about lies and deceit but not once have you justified your statements! Even earlier when you accused Bowden of being a liar, you just kept repeating the word "lies" as though it's some sort of magical chant that'll come true the more you repeat it.

After all the lies i don't know how anyone can listen to what they have to say, they will try and sweet talk people but that would not work with me.

This is the sort of narrow minded attitude that annoys me. Why not listen to what they've got to say? What on earth have you got to lose? Well, other than a bit of time.

Ignorance is bliss. Mind you, the problem with having an open mind is the amount of shit people insist on filling it with.

[Razzledazzle]

Your entitled to your opinion James and i'm entitled to mine!

The proof that Bowden is a liar is that at that Broad Street Council Meeting he said the redevelopment plans were in his head and that Rod Bluh has only seen sketches, this is different to what he said about Mr Bluh awhile back wasnt it? and then Bowden has the cheek to deny he said those things in that meeting? there's your proof!

After years of lies, not many people would give that board the time of day, i would not waste my time meeting any of those board members, i have more important things in my life like looking after other people as i am a carer, i dont have the time to waste on those kind of people.

[pauld]

I wouldn't believe anything the board have to say, the fact of the matter is that they are deliberately making it as difficult as possible for the consortium to takeover the club.

What proof do you have that they're lying? I constantly see you banging on about lies and deceit but not once have you justified your statements!

For starters you could try:
There is no rift
Bill Power left the club because of ill health
We've paid the CVA
The unnamed individual Dennis Wise fell out with was Bob Holt
We've shown the council our ground redevelopment plans and they love 'em
We have severed all ties with Dunwoody (one for the veterans, there)

I'm sure others can add their own personal favourites as well

[Razzledazzle]

Totall agree with PaulD, there's plenty of proof and also the thing about the redevleopment that i mentioned, you sound as if you are on the other side James!!

[Razzledazzle]

Bil Power didnt walk out of the club, he was literally forced out because he could not get on with Diamandis, does anyone really believe that Power left due to ill health? as thats complete bollocks, the board have dug themselves a hole, i would never consider meeting them, the most important thing is getting them out of the club asap.

[redbullzeye]

Sonic - the problem most people have is that we have been over the same old ground countless times before.  I can't be involved as much as some people so I've taken their word for it but I stand by your right to have an open mind until you are persuaded one way ot the other.  FWIW all the people who have taken your approach have eventually concluded that the current incumbants are in it for the dosh and are not fit to run a company.  I'll side with them but I will take anything you have to say seriously.

[RobertT]

Sonic, I have no issue with people retaining open minds, it means they take information in and stay interested.  Unfortunately for me, I reached a point after face to face meetings that now leads to a "fuck this, they just have to go" attitude now.

Bowden has lied at least once, and at the very least mislead a few times (or fucked up):

 - at the fans forum he categorically stated that he and Bluh were going to make a public statement about his CG development ideas as soon as Bluh had recovered from flu - 4 weeks ago and nothing done - lie

 - 38 acre site (which it wasn't and he owned up at the forum) - but still a worry given he's the man responsible for the plans that were allegedly at an advanced stage

 - Chippenham - backtracked at the forum and declared it was a personal opinion - if it was then why even announce it while fronting the floor at a public meeting.


ps, I don't believe they necessarily want bad for STFC, just that other people have vested interests to ensure certain things such as a profitable development or inflated sale price happen.  That makes people do odd things at times, having witnessed the strange things a company can do while it prepares itself for the big pay off first hand.

[DV]

I wouldn't believe anything the board have to say, the fact of the matter is that they are deliberately making it as difficult as possible for the consortium to takeover the club.

What proof do you have that they're lying? I constantly see you banging on about lies and deceit but not once have you justified your statements!

For starters you could try:
There is no rift
Bill Power left the club because of ill health
We've paid the CVA
The unnamed individual Dennis Wise fell out with was Bob Holt
We've shown the council our ground redevelopment plans and they love 'em
We have severed all ties with Dunwoody (one for the veterans, there)

I'm sure others can add their own personal favourites as well

the one about shakin, sticks and money.....

[sonic youth]

Holt gave a public invitation for people to talk with him after the next game, so you can't accuse him of avoiding talking to people. As I said, after seeing how the last attempt at debate with Bowden disentegrated into a slanging match I think it's a reasonable point. I didn't believe his comment about his gestures either, hence the tongue-in-cheek tone.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, it'd just be nice if you listened to more than half the story before making your mind up. I did it and guess what? My opinion's the same, more or less.

So why is Bowden lying but Bluh isn't? That's what I'm trying to say. It's fucking pointless hurling accusations of lying about because nobody's going to be able to prove it unless they're desperate to do so.

[RobertT]

Bil Power didnt walk out of the club, he was literally forced out because he could not get on with Diamandis, does anyone really believe that Power left due to ill health? as thats complete bollocks, the board have dug themselves a hole, i would never consider meeting them, the most important thing is getting them out of the club asap.

Power's health was an issue although not the only one