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« on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:18:56 »

My position throughout all of this, long before the Consortium was formed and subsequently, has been one that approaches everything with an open mind, willing to listen to whatever anyone has to say. People may deem my visit to the CG today as worthless and a waste of time.

Bob Holt, Martyn Starnes and Ben Lambert took nearly four hours out of their day to talk to me today, without exception they were open and happy to answer any question I had. The gesture was greatly appreciated and please bear in mind that I am essentially nobody. I have no agenda, no ulterior motives and nothing to gain. I’m nothing but a layabout student with a passion for STFC – if you approach the club, I’m sure they will be equally willing to accommodate you and talk with you at length. Contrary to popular belief, Bob Holt does exist Cool

Unfortunately my notes don’t make much sense to me, so a lot of this is from memory. None of what I say is a direct quote made by anyone – unless otherwise specified – and please do not take this as gospel truth.

The main topic of discussion, unsurprisingly, was the takeover. It’s unanimously agreed that the Consortium exists – Bob is adamant that he never denied it’s existence – and that a declaration of intent has been made by Mike Wilkes on behalf of the Fan’s Consortium. However, the stumbling block has been to the lack of a concrete offer for the club, the board want to see an offer presented in the proper format – i.e. we will pay X for the club, without prejudice, subject to due diligence and this is the proof that we have the funds to take the club forwards. As of yet, this has not been forthcoming. As has been stated in press releases, if the board are satisfied with this offer then talks will proceed and the takeover may become reality.

However, there are some issues left to be contended with, some of which are concerns raised by Holt and Starnes and some are my own:

-   Who are the Consortium? The club would like details of those involved.
-   Why has Power changed his mind about investing after pulling out previously?
-   Why does Bill believe the £1.2m investment was a loan and not shares? If a loan, he could demand his money back immediately. If shares then he would stand in a better position for negotiation with the board.
-   Why do the Consortium want to do due diligence prior to making an offer, shouldn’t Bill know the financial state of the club a year ago and be able to make a rough offer on that basis? Any offer would not be legally binding as such and they could withdraw it if necessary.
-   If Bill wants to buy the club then why has the offer been fronted by Mike Wilkes?

Personally, my answers to these questions are fairly speculative and there’s certainly room for debate. I must admit that whilst I’ve gleefully accepted much of what has been said by the Consortium as gospel truth, I’ve treated words from the boardroom with disdain and disbelief – despite not knowing for certain what is happening.

Perhaps the most important one for me though is the demands for due diligence prior to making an offer, despite the board’s refusal to do so. Whilst I appreciate that it’s difficult to ‘bid blind’ it’s not as though any such bid would be anything more than a tentative offer which could be adjusted subsequent to due diligence. Furthermore, the club have nothing to lose in opening the books as any information will be confidential under an NDA.

My hope now is that the Consortium compromise and an offer is forthcoming and talks can progress. If the board refuse this, there will no doubt be a backlash and perhaps they will eventually have no other option. Alternatively, they might accept it, sell up and move on with some dignity left intact.

A lot of history regarding the past since the current board took control was discussed, personally I feel we do owe the current board some gratitude for keeping this club alive – we’d have gone down the shitter in 2001 if it wasn’t for their consortium – and whilst they’ve only drip-fed us to keep the club alive, without them we’d have been gone. I accept that few will agree with me on that front but overall I believe that the majority of individuals at this football club want the same as the rest of us: success. Accusations that the board want us to fail are, in my opinion, utterly absurd.

Unfortunately my notes pretty much finished after here but there are a few other things worth mentioning. Most notable has been the treatment of board members by protesters.

Last week, Mike Bowden received a fair bit of abuse whilst escorting a child to meet his parents. I fail to see what he’s done to justify this abuse or how it helps our cause. It’s obvious that the man is a little loopy and rather eccentric in his methods - not to mention there’s a distinct lack of progress in terms of a ground redevelopment – but nevertheless, hurling abusive comments in his direction will achieve nothing. Likewise, the same applies to Holt, Starnes, Gray, Lambert, James Wills and even Mike Diamandis.

As much as I may sound petty for jumping on my high horse, we mustn’t let emotions and personal feeling cloud our judgment. My reasons for wanting a successful takeover is not because I dislike Holt’s dress sense, Gray’s accent or Starnes’ glasses. It’s because I want what is best for STFC – something that I’m sure we all agree with.

As numbers grow at the protests, individuals need to take control of the group before things get out of control. Ideally we need one individual to effectively take responsibility for what happens and as a collective we need to police ourselves – if somebody steps out of line, tell them to shut the fuck up. If things get out of hand and somebody loses control then it’s going to bring a load of bad press our way and we’ll lose all credibility.

I asked Holt why he felt the need to gesture after the game on Saturday and he apologised if it was misconstrued as he was, apparently, giving his approval of us. Whether that was the way we’ve conducted ourselves, our organisational skills or my excellent singing voice I’m not sure. With regards to the comment of not caring what the fans have to say, I must take responsibility for that. I was furious after being told that by the security guard and Holt is more than happy to talk to a small group of us after the game as he feels that standing outside in front of a hundred people is not constructive as it degenerates into a slanging match. In fairness, he has a point – only Millom and myself really got a word in edgeways after the last game.

If anyone would like to put themselves forward to informally represent us rabble after the next home game, let me know and I’ll sort it out. Perhaps people have no interest in hearing what he has to say, that’s your prerogative and I’m simply passing on the sentiment.

Finally, I apologise that I’ve not gone into as much depth as you may have hoped. A lot of what was discussed was going over the same old ground for clarification’s sakes as much as anything. I found Bob, Martyn and Ben to be thoroughly nice people and Bob’s got a better repertoire of swearwords than Paul Davis does.

I may well remember more when I’ve slept on it, so don’t be surprised if I keep adding bits and bobs as time progresses.
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« Reply #1 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:24:08 »

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« Reply #2 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:27:43 »

Got to be honest sonic, fair play for going and re laying it.  I think no one should post any personal abuse towards board members, we just want a club ran properly.
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« Reply #3 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:27:47 »

Sorry cant think of anything constructive but "gesturing his support"

I think ill gesture my support to Sturrock next weekend and no offence but I also find it quite worrying that they spent 4 hours speaking to you..do they see you as some sort of cult leader or something.

Though Id say you are right the Consortium need to chuck in a speculative offer.
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« Reply #4 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:28:46 »

That bit did worry me, 4 hours?!?! thats a bit of a waste, no offence
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« Reply #5 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:32:10 »

Bob Holt - "There was no gesture, I approve of you all!"    


Fair play to Sonic,
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« Reply #6 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:32:12 »

I thought that as well but hey I'm a media celebrity now so perhaps they do think I'm famous.
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« Reply #7 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:33:29 »

Maybe just the title but I was thinking more...

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Fair play though Sonic 4hrs is a hell of a long time to listen to things being reiterated.

Honest opinion was it worth 4hrs?
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« Reply #8 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:33:37 »

management = sitting in meetings all day not doing your actual job  Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:34:09 »

I understand the bit to a certain extent about abuse in front of his family.Imo he was fuckin stupid to take his partner and kid out that way anyway.He likes the confrontation gets off on making himself look good in front of others.

sorry if i cause offence but maverick does the same thing he walks past 2-3 times to get a reaction and thats exactly what bowden done on saturday.Unfortunatly some of us played into his hands.From now on when he comes out to answer questions we should insist that someone who matters answers the questions not just another mouthpiece for the club.
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« Reply #10 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:40:05 »

Did the board ask for a Photo op with you? Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:41:02 »

I found it interesting Daz, so yeah it was worth it. I'm happy to listen to whatever they have to say, as crazy as it might sound.

Maverick loves the attention. Just ignore him.

Bowden's a bit confrontational but at the end of the day neither party will achieve anything in that style.
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« Reply #12 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:46:21 »

Did you ask any questions about the stadium re-development and Bowdens plans?
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« Reply #13 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:47:51 »

No, I'm totally bemused by the whole thing as I haven't got a clue what the plans are or what they involve as my knowledge of the local area is atrocious. If Bowden was there I might have done, although I didn't have my mind-reading earmuffs with me.
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« Reply #14 on: Monday, March 19, 2007, 22:48:49 »

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-   Who are the Consortium? The club would like details of those involved.

Yawn. How many times do they need telling this? The Fans Consortium is comprised of the Trust, Mike Wilks, Bill Power and Phil Emmel (not necessarily in that order).

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Why has Power changed his mind about investing after pulling out previously?

He hasn't. As has been said many times, he and Phil could no longer work with Diamandis (and vice versa). They're not the first people to find that, and they won't be the last. It wasn't STFC Bill and Phil pulled out of, it was working with Diamandis.
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Why does Bill believe the £1.2m investment was a loan and not shares? If a loan, he could demand his money back immediately. If shares then he would stand in a better position for negotiation with the board.

Given the club have effectively conceded they owe the money in their statement on Friday, don't understand why they're still arguing the toss on this one
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Why do the Consortium want to do due diligence prior to making an offer

WTF??? Why would anyone possibly want to find out the financial state of a business before making an offer for it? Good Lord, what a ridiculous idea.
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shouldn’t Bill know the financial state of the club a year ago and be able to make a rough offer on that basis?

Well according to Bob and Mr Starnes the whole financial basis of the club has been completely turned upside down since then by that rotter Devlin.
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If Bill wants to buy the club then why has the offer been fronted by Mike Wilkes?

Because this isn't simply a case of "Bill Power wants to buy a football club", it's a genuine coalition between Bill and Phil and the fans. Hence the term "Fans' Consortium". TBH, there's little point in going over this one with them - you either get the idea that fans can play a role in a successful partnership in a football club or you don't. The board have made it amply clear over the past 5-6 years that they see fans as little more than cash cows to be patronised and deceived. We will never make them understand the concept of a genuine partnership between club and fans.

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Perhaps the most important one for me though is the demands for due diligence prior to making an offer, despite the board’s refusal to do so. Whilst I appreciate that it’s difficult to ‘bid blind’ it’s not as though any such bid would be anything more than a tentative offer which could be adjusted subsequent to due diligence.

Although of course, it would leave any bidder in the somewhat ridiculous position of having to guess at the value of the business, then have the seller go "Nope, try again" ad infinitum. If "Burnin' Leather" Bob et al are in any way serious about being open to offers, where's the harm in at least entering talks about what that possible worth might be, rather than a flat refusal and insistence on a kind of "Pin the tail on the donkey" bidding process.

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Furthermore, the club have nothing to lose in opening the books as any information will be confidential under an NDA.

Which is, of course, also the position with the NDA they were offered back in November, so just what is the problem about opening up them books?


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Last week, Mike Bowden received a fair bit of abuse whilst escorting a child to meet his parents. I fail to see what he’s done to justify this abuse or how it helps our cause.

Have to agree with Sonic here - it helps us not at all if we behave as badly as certain board members standing gesticulating at the fans below. They may have no dignity but we should keep ours.

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I asked Holt why he felt the need to gesture after the game on Saturday and he apologised if it was misconstrued as he was, apparently, giving his approval of us.

  Surely not even Bob believed that one?

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Bob’s got a better repertoire of swearwords than Paul Davis does.

I strongly dispute that and would be prepared to engage in a public swear-off with Bob to prove it.
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