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Title: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: donkey on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 11:50:51
Now for what really matters.  I assume it'll be pay on the gate.  I hope those that played yesterday are fit, and Payne can return.

Two big games coming up.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 11:53:43
Now for what really matters.  I assume it'll be pay on the gate.  I hope those that played yesterday are fit, and Payne can return.

Two big games coming up.

If I can get a job on Tuesday in that direction I’ll go.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 11:55:53
Hope Simpson and McKirdy recover.

Hope Williams is fit as he didn't look it yesterday.

Interesting to see how we play without Payne's energy. Hope in a way that we don't miss it, as I think sometimes he monopolises our route of attack, which is sometimes to the detriment of the team. But, I think we might, especially if we try to play to Gladwin's pace.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 12:05:21
Assuming they are all fit I’d make 3 changes on Tuesday:

The Palace lad in for Conroy, an obvious change based on form and especially if he ignored Garner’s instructions on playing out from the back.

Crichlow in for Iandolo, as much to give Iandolo a rest as much as anything if he had Covid as bad as was said over Christmas. Crichlow can either have a go on the left or swap with Hunt.

Williams in for Gladwin, again an obvious change as Gladwin is nothing but a passenger.

Regardless of lineup, unless Payne is miraculously fit then Lyden captain.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 12:06:43
I agree on all of that, although I hear Payne could be out a few more weeks yet.

I wouldnt be surprised to see O'Brien play as Mansfield have the massive lump Ollie Hawkins up front who is 6 foot 14 and a threat in the air and the new lad is supposed to be decent in the air.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 12:19:40
Assuming they are all fit I’d make 3 changes on Tuesday:

The Palace lad in for Conroy, an obvious change based on form and especially if he ignored Garner’s instructions on playing out from the back.

Crichlow in for Iandolo, as much to give Iandolo a rest as much as anything if he had Covid as bad as was said over Christmas. Crichlow can either have a go on the left or swap with Hunt.

Williams in for Gladwin, again an obvious change as Gladwin is nothing but a passenger.

Regardless of lineup, unless Payne is miraculously fit then Lyden captain.
Agree with much of that. Don't think Williams will be fit enough though. East, Iandolo, or JML in for Gladwin if not.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 12:21:18
It’s good to leave all the Man City shenanigans behind now and get back to the real world.

I think Mansfield have won 10 of their last 11 games and 5 on the spin at home - a real tough game.

Might be difficult for some of the players to get grounded again so soon after yesterday, but hopefully we keep the change of emphasis that was so noticeable in the Cobblers game.

Need to kick on again.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 12:26:13
but hopefully we keep the change of emphasis that was so noticeable in the Cobblers game.

Need to kick on again.
Agreed, we’d got rid of all the pissing about at the back against Northampton and it helped with a much better forward thinking performance and of course a good result.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 12:31:28
It’s good to leave all the Man City shenanigans behind now and get back to the real world.

I think Mansfield have won 10 of their last 11 games and 5 on the spin at home - a real tough game.

Might be difficult for some of the players to get grounded again so soon after yesterday, but hopefully we keep the change of emphasis that was so noticeable in the Cobblers game.

Need to kick on again.
I hadn’t realised their form was so good. 2-0 down at home today though in the cup to Middlesbrough.

Would take a point here.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 12:33:22
Yeah, they’re 2 down in the same amount of time as we were against Man City. Not quite sure what point I’m making there, though!

We get 1 extra day’s rest.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 12:41:34
Yeah, they’re 2 down in the same amount of time as we were against Man City. Not quite sure what point I’m making there, though!

We get 1 extra day’s rest.
They were 2 down in the same amount of time we were 1 down against City (14 mins).

TBH I would have fancied our chances against Boro more than I did vs City!

I too had no idea their winning run was so good lately, they will be a tough opponent on Tuesday.

Their only defeat in the last 10 in all comps was at Sutton where we won. Since we beat them at the CG their league form is LLLDDLDLDLWWWLWWWW with 7 of their 9 total league wins coming in the last 8 league fixtures.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Badger on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 18:55:03
That is some turn around in form !!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 20:11:17
I presume this game and Port Vale will be pay on the gate? I'm not a ST holder so haven't been able to access the tickets via the website as they haven't gone on general sale as yet. A shame as I might need those loyalty points for any play-off games......although don't think we'll need that route for promotion this season.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 21:33:05
Normal service.
Both sets of Mansfield and Port Vale tickets turned up this Morning.👍

Back to what’s more important.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:50:41
Anyone know how the Divine Ponytail is after hobbling off?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 10:28:27
Anyone know how the Divine Ponytail is after hobbling off?

Cramp I believe.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 20:06:02
I agree on all of that, although I hear Payne could be out a few more weeks yet.

I wouldnt be surprised to see O'Brien play as Mansfield have the massive lump Ollie Hawkins up front who is 6 foot 14 and a threat in the air and the new lad is supposed to be decent in the air.
Just watching last night’s FA Cup highlights show and bizzarely Hawkins played at centre half for Mansfield! From reading up that isn’t the first time he has played there either.

He did manage to score - a header of course out jumping Sol Bamba who is far from a midget so agree that O’Brien’s height could come in handy whereever Hawkins plays.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 20:33:36
I agree on all of that, although I hear Payne could be out a few more weeks yet.

I wouldnt be surprised to see O'Brien play as Mansfield have the massive lump Ollie Hawkins up front who is 6 foot 14 and a threat in the air and the new lad is supposed to be decent in the air.

Payne a big loss - could be 6 weeks at least.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:39:37
Just watching last night’s FA Cup highlights show and bizzarely Hawkins played at centre half for Mansfield! From reading up that isn’t the first time he has played there either.

He did manage to score - a header of course out jumping Sol Bamba who is far from a midget so agree that O’Brien’s height could come in handy whereever Hawkins plays.



I noticed this too! How slow did he look to the third though?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:43:35
The Divine Ponytail and Jonny Williams are both fine for tomorrow. Payne is coming along well and will know more by the end of the week.

Have contingency plans for any players that may leave!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 10, 2022, 12:22:13
oooh. I hope that last sentence is about kkh and not more recalls .

I guess we can lose crichlow if we really have to with the bfg coming in ..


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, January 10, 2022, 12:25:23
Payne a big loss - could be 6 weeks at least.
A strange blessing possibly if the Wigan interest was true


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 10, 2022, 12:37:13
oooh. I hope that last sentence is about kkh and not more recalls .

I guess we can lose crichlow if we really have to with the bfg coming in ..
Well, that was from today’s presser so I expect it to refer to other players not KKH.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 10, 2022, 15:10:46
Just watching last night’s FA Cup highlights show and bizzarely Hawkins played at centre half for Mansfield! From reading up that isn’t the first time he has played there either.

He did manage to score - a header of course out jumping Sol Bamba who is far from a midget so agree that O’Brien’s height could come in handy whereever Hawkins plays.



Portsmouth moved him from centre forward to centre back and it seems now he just alternates for Mansfield. He is a big lump so it makes sense.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 10, 2022, 15:28:37
Portsmouth moved him from centre forward to centre back and it seems now he just alternates for Mansfield. He is a big lump so it makes sense.
Mansfield fans on their forum say they need him far more up front than at the back, but needs must, they hope to have a loan CB in by the time we play them tomorrow, leaving it late now though.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: swindon74 on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:12:01
I’ve seen no ticketing news, I assume we will be able to get a ticket at the ground?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:24:35
7.30 KO tomorrow for some reason.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:34:04
I noticed this too! How slow did he look to the third though?
Like he was running through treacle!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:37:51
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
7.30 KO tomorrow for some reason.

good job you said that.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:42:21
good job you said that.

Yes, seconded! I had assumed it was a 7:45 kick off.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:42:46
Yes, seconded! I had assumed it was a 7:45 kick off.
Same!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 10, 2022, 18:12:37
oooh. I hope that last sentence is about kkh and not more recalls .

I guess we can lose crichlow if we really have to with the bfg coming in ..
Why would we need to consider losing Crichlow? We’ve only got 3 loan players so still got space for 2 more and no cover at the back. We’d be daft to even consider losing Crichlow as we’d be back to needing another centre back.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 10, 2022, 18:26:00
I meant if he was recalled then we'd cope.

having read the full quote he said  he didn't expect anyone to go back, but they had contingency if they did .

Also didn't get indication kkh was going back mind


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 07:19:00
I’ve seen no ticketing news, I assume we will be able to get a ticket at the ground?

Yep. It's on the Mansfield website.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 08:10:41
Does anyone know if this is available on iplayer without a VPN?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 08:13:35
Does anyone know if this is available on iplayer without a VPN?

Yes, mid-week games are available in the UK on iFollow.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 09:06:03
Draw. 1-1


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 12:18:13
Pre match no particular rush to get to Mansfield in the Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem.
Taking the medicinal waters in Nottingham before heading off to the land that time forgot.
The market square is quite impressive as an open urban space.
That's probably about it.

Should be a good game tonight.
Quick tempo from both teams under the lights hopefully.

Happy with Hunt reverting back to RWB.
Odimayo can cover there as well, so maybe no need for a replacement assuming that KKH doesn't return.

Makes a change to be concentrating on the league a couple of months later than usual.
All to play for and quietly confident which isn't a familiar feeling.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 12:30:46
I suspect Odimayo may get moved over to RWB, Williams has to return and we seem to be be more creative with him in the team, assume the defender will start.

I wonder if we will wait until deadline day to see if KKH will return, or bite the bullet and sign a replacement


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:23:49
Hunt & Odimayo have both been very consistent over the season so far.
Hunt maybe the better option in the more attacking RWB role.

O'Brien to come in.
Williams, if fit, over Gladwin.

Garner seems to prefer a smaller squad to work with.
A few injuries and we are basically knackered.
Cover still needed in defence, midfield & up front.
Versatility might be the main requirement in this window & hope that the likes of East, Parsons & Dabre as well can make an impact.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:30:35
Pretty much as Bob says.

I would go with

              Ward
    Odimayo Conroy Crichlow(or O'Brien)
Hunt                                 Iandolo
          Reed         Lyden
                 Williams
      McKirdy             Simpson


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:31:29
I will be amazed and dismayed if Williams doesn't start tonight


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:37:42
Pretty much as Bob says.

I would go with

              Ward
    Odimayo Conroy Crichlow(or O'Brien)
Hunt                                 Iandolo
          Reed         Lyden
                 Williams
      McKirdy             Simpson

I like the look of that. I think O'Brien will definitely play as Mansfield probably like to get balls into the box and our defence is shakier than a shitting dog every time crosses ping into the box. Hopefully he'll also be a handful from any corners that we get.

I think you simply have to have Williams in the side. With Lyden and Reed sitting the injection of pace that he and Payne (obviously currently knacked) add is crucial. Having Gladwin in the side for me just slows the game down too much. Start with Williams and then if we are winning bring Gladwin on for the last 20 to break up the game a bit. Simpson and McKirdy are forming a great partnership together, long may that last!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:39:37
I will be amazed and dismayed if Williams doesn't start tonight

I am probably way off the mark, but I still wonder whether there is a contractual reason why Williams never plays 90 mins, or that he just cannot do it physically.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:43:40
I think I've expressed before that Williams and Gladwin appear to be timeshare footballers, which is probably fair enough if neither of their bodies are quite up to being full time. On current form, there's a clear A side and B side to that pairing though.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 14:03:01
Williams does have a bit of a history of bad injuries so I am guessing that hes just going carefully to try to get back to playing a full 90 mins again, careful injury rehab, otherwise I doubt we would have managed to sign a player of his obvious calibre.

Williams has only played 1 full game for us so it can't be contractual as he played the full 90+ mins vs Harrogate.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 15:55:54
There is no coincidence that this season is the first in many that they have managed to be injury fee. I would hazard a guess they are close to most appearances in a season for a while. We basically rotate them both for good reason and tbf it has worked so far so why not


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:08:31
a quiet thread...10 mins until team news!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:12:30
Not much to say really, Mansfield are on a great run at the moment in the league, its going to be ultra difficult to get even a draw up there IMO.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:17:22
I'd be happy with 2 points this week


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:18:38
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FI12mR3XoAA4ly_?format=jpg&name=medium)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:19:40
Looks like the line up I suggested earlier then, about the best we could put out IMO.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:22:30
Still think Conroy has been garbage and Crichlow should be in but is what it is!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:23:33
Interesting to see O’Brien start.    1-1 will do me.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:42:48
Like the look of that. Conroy isn't on form but at his best he's a class defender, think it's worth investing the time into getting him back into form, especially with Hunt needed at rwb. Otherwise you have three really young CBs.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:52:28
Mansfield starting with the same line up as they did for the Boro cup game, so that means Hawkins will be in defence marking Simpson most probably.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:52:48
Still think Conroy has been garbage and Crichlow should be in but is what it is!

Isn't the latter still suffering from a niggle?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:53:39
Still think Conroy has been garbage and Crichlow should be in but is what it is!

Shocked I tell you. I'm shocked.  :eek:

You need to find room for a new idea in that there noggin, Theaks old chap.  ;)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 18:55:37
It's a good thing Idem's a keeper, and therefore first on the squad or subs list. Otherwise I'd automatically think we were playing a pair of brothers.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:15:13
They've got a bastard drum.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:19:44
1st time I think I have seen us take the knee and the opposition didn't not a single player.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:19:56
Corner to Town.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:21:18
Williams beats his man but his cross is weak and low from a good position.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:21:40
Ward poor kicking after a back pass, straight into touch.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:21:57
0-1


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:22:25
1st shot on target, messy defending.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:22:29
Not the best start from O'Brien


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:23:18
Not the best start from O'Brien

Yep, thought he looked poor on that.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:23:23
Not the best start from O'Brien
Looked off the pace behind the attacker.

Town started brightly too.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:24:26
Ward again puts the ball into touch.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:25:19
And Ward's kicking is already getting found out.  :doh:

Safe to say there's room for improvement this evening.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:25:29
And to think there were people calling for Ward to keep his place earlier in the season when Jojo was on international duty, after the FGR game


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:26:45
O'Brien pressed into trouble at the back again.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:27:19
according to the Mansfield commentators it was us that wanted an early start (7pm), and 7:30 was the compromise.

bus must cost more after 12 :)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:27:36
And to think there were people calling for Ward to keep his place earlier in the season when Jojo was on international duty, after the FGR game
Ward is a fairly decent shot stopper but his kicking has always been wayward. Still better than Kovar....


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:27:51
I get the feeling that O'Brien is going to need to grow and wise up pretty quickly tonight - bit of a baptism of fire so far


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:28:03
Ward clearly isn’t comfortable with his feet, it doesn’t matter if it’s our ‘style’ just don’t put him under anymore pressure than necessary! Until Wollacott is back we’ve got to adjust the way we play or we’re going to be in big problems at the back.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:28:43
O'Brien pressed into a problem again froma  slightly short pass from Conroy, they are singling him out for pressure.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:28:57
I get the feeling that O'Brien is going to need to grow and wise up pretty quickly tonight - bit of a baptism of fire so far

Just got worse. Needs to up the pace sharpish.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:28:59
Ward is a fairly decent shot stopper but his kicking has always been wayward. Still better than Kovar....

But clearly not up to the standard of Jojo


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:28:59
Quote from: Berniman
And to think there were people calling for Ward to keep his place earlier in the season when Jojo was on international duty, after the FGR game

weirdly an observation of JoJo for Ghana was that his distribution was hoof (poor)..

clearly our #1, but ward hasn't had much of a run of games


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:30:13
But clearly not up to the standard of Jojo
Absolutely not, Jojo is a very talented keeper who makes very few mistakes.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:30:55
That should have been 2-0.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:31:06
My god we're poor


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:31:20
You would have hoped that the players in front of Ward would have realised over the last 6 months that kicking isn't his strongest attribute. He's a decent shot stopper on my view.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:31:55
Ward is a fairly decent shot stopper but his kicking has always been wayward. Still better than Kovar....

That’s like saying Bovril is better than drinking diarrhoea.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:32:30
Evening chaps....
Not a great start.
O'Brien struggling with pace, positioning and passes from Conroy


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:32:36
That’s like saying Bovril is better than drinking diarrhoea.
Such a way with words.... :)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:33:10
Its unfair to just pick on O'Brien as all our back 5 have struggled so far.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:33:55
Good FK delivery from Reed but we cant get a touch in the box.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:34:19
Such a way with words.... :)

#shitgravy either way.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:34:45
Conroy with a great 40 yard crossfield pass to Hunt and his cross is a few inches away from McKirdy in the 6 yard box, saved.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:36:15
Its unfair to just pick on O'Brien as all our back 5 have struggled so far.
Don't worry, I'm casting my critical eye over the rest. That was my first post tonight! 😂


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:36:25
Its unfair to just pick on O'Brien as all our back 5 have struggled so far.

Absolutely, I don't think we are picking him out, but he needs to find his sea legs sooner rather than later, otherwise this could ruin him.  Time to get his head down and do the simple stuff for a while - row Z and put himself about will do him the world of good.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:36:37
Great break and pass from Simpson there to Iandolo, should have done better from the good cross though.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:37:30
Great break and pass from Simpson there to Iandolo, should have done better from the good cross though.
Yes, he didn't jump!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:37:39
Absolutely, I don't think we are picking him out, but he needs to find his sea legs sooner rather than later, otherwise this could ruin him.  Time to get his head down and do the simple stuff for a while - row Z and put himself about will do him the world of good.
I agree totally, dont let your head drop and stick to what you can do. Its a baptism of fire so far though.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:38:08
FK on the corner of the box to Town.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:38:57
Iandolo tries a shot, tipped over the bar for a corner.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:39:27
FK on the corner of the box to Town.
Iandolo forces save from the keeper


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:39:37
Obrien down injured.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:39:45
Ellis has been unlucky not to have scored in four years.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:40:07
Mansfield have broken O'Brien already


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:40:17
Reed and Lyden starting to get a foothold in the game at last


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:40:52
New guy looks dazzled


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:41:38
New guy looks dazzled
He's a big bugger isn't he! 😲


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:42:08
I’m liking Lyden in a more attacking role. A lot. Like having a new signing.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:42:13
We are being a bit more direct again so far.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:42:40
I’m liking Lyden in a more attacking role. A lot. Like having a new signing.
Hes played well the last few games and has settled in quickly again today so far.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:42:59
Hes played well the last few games and has settled in quickly again today so far.
And with that he fucks up!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:44:21
The pitch looks like a quagmire down the far side.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:45:08
McKirdy beats 2 men then has a pop from 35 yards, well wide.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:45:12
Great goal.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:45:26
1-1 McKirdy!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:45:45
You’re just a shit Man City!  :beers:


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:45:52
What a great low finish from 15 yards are the near post.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:46:06
6 goals in 3 games for Harry.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:46:07
Willy the creator again!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:46:09
Much better


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:46:18
What a hit from Mckirdy, he's having a bit of a Midas moment


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:46:25
Where would we be without McKirdy, papers over a lot of cracks!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:46:43
Good link up from Williams to McKirdy. Thought he'd cross it, but blasted in in from wider than against Man City


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:47:07
Superb pass from Williams to him again, that cannot be underestimated,


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:47:39
Fml


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:47:51
Penalty to them, no way was that a pen.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:48:00
Knew this ref had a pen in him


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:48:27
Oates a bit quick. Odimayo makes a challenge in the area. Penalty


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:48:38
Not a great tackle but it looked like he took the ball.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:48:40
2-1


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:48:58
2-1


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:49:19
2-1 Stags


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:49:57
That Oates bloke made a great run with loads of pace but that didn't look like a pen to me.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:50:02
Some pretty loose passing from us tonight.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:50:25
He didn't need to make the tackle, he was leading him away from goal and he had Lyden backing him up - immature defending


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:50:51
O'Brien poor ball to Conroy nearly puts them through from kick off!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:51:27
He didn't need to make the tackle, he was leading him away from goal and he had Lyden backing him up - immature defending
Definately, not great defending whether he got the ball or not, run him wide of try to tackle before he gets in the box.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:51:51
What an utter farce of a game of football, especially following the FA Cup game.

Ward looks like Bambi on ice when the ball is played to him.  The new lad looks utterly lost.  Conroy seems intent on making sure they both get a good test.  Mansfield are all over the shop.  McKirdy has been possessed by Ronaldo.  Our entire defence appears to be social distancing.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:52:38
Decent take by Ward from the corner.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:52:45
I thought the pen was fair enough as well.  Even if he got the ball, the way he dived in meant he had to get the player as well.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:53:13
JOB does well under pressure there at the back.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:53:52
That better O'Brien - put yourself about - just needs to realise that he doesn't have under 23's time on the ball


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:54:01
Long shot well over the bar from them.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:54:48
That better O'Brien - put yourself about - just needs to realise that he doesn't have under 23's time on the ball
I think its been a huge surprise for him so far with the pace of the game and the strength of the players he is up against.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:54:53
What an utter farce of a game of football, especially following the FA Cup game.

Ward looks like Bambi on ice when the ball is played to him.  The new lad looks utterly lost.  Conroy seems intent on making sure they both get a good test.  Mansfield are all over the shop.  McKirdy has been possessed by Ronaldo.  Our entire defence appears to be social distancing.
Post of the night! 😂


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:55:47
I love Simpson but the boy cant head a ball to save his life.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:57:09
Wards throwing is way better than his kicking, the game has the feel of a cup tie so far, 100 miles an hour.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:57:42
Just to say McKirdy must still be the world’s leading goal scorer this year.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:57:52
Wards throwing is way better than his kicking, the game has the feel of a cup tie so far, 100 miles an hour.

Between two local pubs


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:59:33
Great tackle from Lyden on the edge of the box.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:59:48
Lyden is class - best town player on the pitch so far


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:00:14
Lyden is class - best town player on the pitch so far

 :nod:


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:00:17
Great challenge by Lyden. Poor ball upfield.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:00:27
Lyden is class - best town player on the pitch so far
Williams started well but his passing has gone to pot the last 10 mins, Lyden is certainly the most consistant today.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:00:33
3-1


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:00:51
1-3


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:00:56
 :crash:


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:01:03
Too easy


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:01:15
Shit kick from Ward puts us under pressure and hes chipped perfectly.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:01:25
Bloody hell!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:01:31
shambles. too soon after the city game


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:01:48
We are just not at the races tonight - Lyden the only player with a rating above 5


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:02:20
Can't make any more excuses for Conroy I'm afraid. Just not good enough


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:02:39
We are just not at the races tonight - Lyden the only player with a rating above 5
I think thats a bit unfair on Williams and McKirdy who are at least 5.5's!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:02:51
Ward waving his gloves straight after chipping the ball directly to their player who played in the goal scorer.  Think we can see why he is not number one.  I mean, he did have a point that two centre halves should be able to mark a single forward, but you did give them the chance you idiot.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:02:54
This team is in desperate need for some leadership on the pitch, we just keep making bad defensive decisions all over the pitch and no one seems to take responsibility.

Less than 150 league appearances between our back 3 tonight, most of which in the last season and a half. Shows in the organisation.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:03:10
Quote from: Peter Venkman
Shit kick from Ward puts us under pressure and hes chipped perfectly.

it wasn't great. but it's hard to pin it squarely on ward


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:03:22
Thankfully we have a decent keeper and central defender on the bench


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:03:24
3 mins added time.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:03:48
Pitch isn’t helping, but they’re just shambolic at the back today. O’Brien weak, Odimayo being outpaced, Conroy ponderous. No (effective) communication, we’re just not as good as them.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:03:56
it wasn't great. but it's hard to pin it squarely on ward
Not just him by any means but his kick was woeful initially.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:05:42
Thankfully we have a decent keeper and central defender on the bench

We need 3 CB's unfortunately


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:06:12
Never. Underestimate. The. Squirrel.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:06:37
Theres no sugar coating this, we have conceded 15 goals in the last 6 games now and only 1 win in the last 6 (with how it stands).


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:06:40
McKirdy shot. Saved. Corner.

HT


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:08:49
3-1. Second goal killed us as I thought we would get the next goal to take the lead. Just a shame we tend to gift so many chances to the opposition. Today we have paid the price.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: wokinghamred on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:10:47
Ward really does not create confidence at the back.
I'm nervous whenever it goes near him. His distribution is woeful.
It was a poor kick for the third which put us straight back under pressure.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:11:20
Theres no sugar coating this, we have conceded 15 goals in the last 6 games now and only 1 win in the last 6 (with how it stands).

I think it was mentioned in the pre-match analysis for the City game that we are the "luckiest" team in the league.  OK, they said we had the biggest differential between goals conceded and expected goals conceded, but you get my point.  Chickens are just coming home to roost and not helped by moving the pieces around the board as well I imagine.

I remember worrying about Reed based on his first game for us, which turned out to be ill founded.  Hope the same happens with O'Brien, he looks completely out of his depth.  This is one of my issues with the Garner approach of this all being a Project and developing youth talent.  What we clearly have lacked is a League Two stopper but we seem to have put in another player who we risk having to see learn the game live.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:11:29
Pitch isn’t helping, but they’re just shambolic at the back today. O’Brien weak, Odimayo being outpaced, Conroy ponderous. No (effective) communication, we’re just not as good as them.

Had a nagging feeling that the first game after Man City was always going to be this way.  You're right.  Defence looks lost.  Caught between the headlights for two of the goals.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:11:47
We look awful at the back.

Ward poor distribution
O'Brien struggling with the pace of the game
Conroy seems to be playing hospital balls for fun
Odimayo silly challenge and needs some help
Hunt couple of good crosses, but looking rusty at RB

Midfield has been over run:
Lyden made some good challenges but has had difficulty finding a red shirt
Reed hasnt been at the races
Williams seems to have an understanding with McKirdy, but apart from one awesome pass the ball has bounced off him!
Iandolo has had space but hasn't been able to exploit it.
Simpson - I'm a better headerer than him!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:11:56
That’s why coaching isn’t enough. Defences need organising. It’s always been my gripe with Garner.

There’s got to be more behind a game than just passing the ball around.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:12:58
Like the look of that. Conroy isn't on form but at his best he's a class defender, think it's worth investing the time into getting him back into form, especially with Hunt needed at rwb. Otherwise you have three really young CBs.

Well I sure am glad we avoided having a callow defence, that could have ended badly.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:13:32
We need 3 CB's unfortunately

Sympathise with O'Brien being pitched in with Odi and Conroy who seem to be getting worse by the game.

Crichlow and he who must never be picked would make a better CB pairing.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:15:30
Simple fact is they are passing the ball 100% better than us. Conroy is in the team apparently because he's the only one that can organise the defence but I'm afraid he's not good enough. His form was poor before his lay off and it hasn't improved since he came back. Williams,Lyden and Reed have the ability to wrest back control of this game. Shame McKirdys shot didn't go in,great effort


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:16:01
Sympathise with O'Brien being pitched in with Odi and Conroy who seem to be getting worse by the game.

Crichlow and he who must never be picked would make a better CB pairing.



I don't know if he could do it (he may be unfit for all I know), but the potential of Grant playing in a back three with Odimayo and Crichlow either side seems like it may work more effectively to me.  We certainly need someone to shout in their earhole about what to do, where to be and when.

Conroy and Odimayo both looked at each other for the third and neither seemed to know which one was responsible.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:16:58
O'Brien has improved as the half went on, but the defence has no-one to get them organised.  That third goal was pathetic, regardless of the kick out, the centre halves have to deal with it.  Stand up and take control of the situation.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:17:31
On the bright side, at least this isn't the cue for Taylor Curran to warm up.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:18:26
But Garner seems completely set on ensuring players like Grant are kept well away from proper influence.  I'd have some sympathy for Garner if he hadn't come out and said Grant didn't take his chance in the one game he gave him where he was carrying youth players and looked our best player.  He could have said he is off the pace, not fit enough yet etc.  Instead he came up with some bullshit to justify his grander scheme.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:18:47
They are stronger than us and coping with the shit surface far better than us, they break with pace and directness and are deservedly leading.

Our defence look like they have never even set eyes on each other before today, can't blame JOB on his league debut but hes been let down by Conroy, Hunt, Iandolo and Odimayo at the back, Ward gives me and the defence little confidence either at the moment.

That can change in the blink of an eye though, and not always for the better.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:21:48
good summary nmh.

can't really judge O'Brien for a few games,  suprised critchlow didn't start tbh


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:21:58
Trying to work out when we last conceded three in the first half of a match....can’t recall if Wimbledon last season scored most of theirs in the second...


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:23:00
Let’s hope we don’t concede 3 in the 2nd half as well.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: cheltred69 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:25:25
Didn’t we concede 4 or 5 in first half vs Franchise at end of last season?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:25:39
Trying to work out when we last conceded three in the first half of a match....can’t recall if Wimbledon last season scored most of theirs in the second...
Wimbledon, Plymouth and MKD (twice) last season.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:27:12
Neither the ref nor crowd saw the sneaky kick in the back of Willo’s head after he went down.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:29:09
Getting niggly. Lyden playing spinning tops with the defender.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:30:31
Fucking useless, can't keep a dead ball in play


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:31:47
We took four months to lose our first 3 league games, the next 3 losses have taken just 5 weeks (if we lose this tonight).


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:33:11
Iandolo close with a header unmarked.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:33:27
Iandolo heads against crossbar from corner


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:33:31
Absolutely nothing on the bench to be able to change it really as well - depressing.  Lack of decent 2nd string is going to be the reason we struggle to get up this season.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:34:03
JOB looking like a proper centre back this half, hes done well.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:34:06
Iandolo’s really going for goal tonight.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:34:30
Has anyone's IFollow just died?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:34:44
Absolutely nothing on the bench to be able to change it really as well - depressing.  Lack of decent 2nd string is going to be the reason we struggle to get up this season.
I really like Simpson but hes having a bit of a mare today, we need other attacking options than just JML.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:34:57
Has anyone's IFollow just died?
No mate.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:35:04
Absolutely nothing on the bench to be able to change it really as well - depressing.  Lack of decent 2nd string is going to be the reason we struggle to get up this season.
Simpson not at the races. Give Parsons a go.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:36:10
Simpson not at the races. Give Parsons a go.
I don't think Parsons is the answer TBH.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:37:07
You have to say it’s a decent game for the neutral. Good pace and loads of chances.

Probably too frantic for our favoured style though.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:38:10
I don't think Parsons is the answer TBH.
Nor do I , but, he's been scoring goals and should be confident. If not now then never.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:39:28
Conroy and Jonjo The Tool both booked.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:40:00
Nor do I , but, he's been scoring goals and should be confident. If not now then never.
I think the game today is too physical for Parsons.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:40:07
This game has red card written all over it


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: WEBBERhyde on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:40:41
Pitch is a bit pot luck and everyone’s touch has been poor, but everything seems to be just bouncing off Simpson today…and not in a fortunate way either!
We’ve been 2nd to or lost out on every 50:50 it seems so far too, which pretty much sums up who’s fancied it more.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:40:45
Williams looks like hes run out of puff too.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:42:32
Hunt 20 yard shot easy save for the keeper tho.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:42:44
Save from Hunt....Looking dangerous!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:43:16
End to end stuff.

Good one for a neutral.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:43:24
I really do fear Saturday, Vale taught us a lesson at our place pressing our back line. If it follows the same pattern Saturday then we are in for another long afternoon.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:44:06
McKirdy turns and shoots but its deflected straight at the keeper.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:44:34
Nice Reed Lyden Simpson to McKirdy who's shot was part blocked and saved


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:44:59
68 mins. Time for a sub?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:45:35
Gladwin on for Williams.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:45:48
Oh good. Matchwinner Gladwin.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:45:50
We're saved. Here comes Gladders


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:45:56
Gladwin for Williams to inject some pace!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:46:14
Williams has run himself into the ground today but without as much consistant quality as he normally shows.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:47:11
Conroy gets away with an awful pass.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:48:03
Conroy gets away with an awful pass.

The name of a long running sitcom?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:48:07
Critchlow must be carrying a knock if he can't get on the pitch for one these 3 tonight


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:48:08
[Theakston]
Casual as fk from Conroy there.

[\Theakston]


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:48:49
Yellow for Hunt.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:49:48
Critchlow must be carrying a knock if he can't get on the pitch for one these 3 tonight
Odimayo and JOB have played better this half, Conroy far less so.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:50:20
Odimayo and JOB have played better this half, Conroy far less so.
I was just thinking that


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:51:43
[Theakston]
Casual as fk from Conroy there.

[\Theakston]
No point in even repeating it now, become abundantly clear to everyone he didn’t deserve to come back into the team!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:52:26
JML on for Lyden, Lyden best player for us tonight.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:52:38
Lyden for JML ??????????


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:52:55
Strange one. Our best player tonight easily


Title: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:53:16
4129 (252)

piss poor from Mansfield ..


lyden. you what? that makes 0 sense unless it's a 'protect from injury' a la Williams


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:53:27
Looking forward to seeing JML impressing me for the first time. Desperate stuff.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:53:33
I can only presume the Lyden sub is to protect his legs.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:55:22
4129 (252)

Must be our smallest away contingent of the year, in the league at least.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:55:29
4129 (252)
252 is a good turn out for a 3 hour each way trip on a Tuesday night.

By contrast under 3,900 home fans for a team on a run of 8 wins in 9 games is shite.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:56:14
McKirdy blasts over after a well worked move


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:56:24
Can't afford to miss chances like Iandolos and that one


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:58:20
Why didn't Hunt shoot..


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:58:53
252 is a good turn out for a 3 hour each way trip on a Tuesday night.

By contrast under 3,900 home fans for a team on a run of 8 wins in 9 games is shite.

Loud though. Suppose you would be at 3-1 up.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 20:58:57
McLirdy quick free kick switches play and puts Hunt clear in on goal. He tries to cross rather than shoot and the ball is cleared


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:00:34
Parsons on for McKirdy.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:00:56
Parsons for McKirdy


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:01:55
Restless natives, like a cage of monkeys.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:02:30
Comedy defending


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:02:33
Commentators say Garner explaining change to McKirdy.

Not sure whether he was pissed off.

Crowd giving him grief.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:02:51
games gone so mckirdy sub makes sense I suppose


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:03:07
JML shoots that bothers the linesman more than the goal.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:03:16
JML blasts well wide


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:03:48
I don't see the point of JML - we are going to get our arses handed to us on Sat


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:04:20
3-2


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:04:37
2-3 Iandolo.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:04:39
Iandololololo


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:04:48
Well done Ellis. At last.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:04:52
3-2 Iandolo


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:05:17
Fuck me ! What a ball from O'Brien!!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:05:28
Was just going to post that Iandolo seems to have been getting a little bit better at defending but much worse at attacking, then he goes and turns into Messi.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:05:57
Ellis Mckirdylo


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:06:24
Fuck me ! What a ball from O'Brien!!

Yep. He gets an assist.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:06:39
5 mins added.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:08:41
Reed hits the top of the stand!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:09:07
For me, this has been the worst performance of the season - irrelevant of whether we manage to steal another.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:09:41
Mansfield sub to waste more time


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:11:05
For me, this has been the worst performance of the season - irrelevant of whether we manage to steal another.
It's been ONE of the worst but some of the home games have been worse


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:11:39
We need to get our heads back into the league games. Ever since the draw for the FA Cup 3rd round we have gone to shit.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:11:47
3-2 full time. Didn’t deserve anything from that performance.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:12:14
FT 3-2 poor.

Lyden MotM and JOB following him for his 2nd half performance.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:13:01
Dogshite


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:13:03
I’ve never liked Mansfield. Horrible little club and fans.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:14:07
Well,the best you can say is that we improved slightly in the second half especially Odimayo and O' Brien. 2 golden chances spurned. Mansfield created zero 2nd half


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:14:32
We need to get our heads back into the league games. Ever since the draw for the FA Cup 3rd round we have gone to shit.

I don't buy that, I think we are getting found out a little now - teams have been able to watch us and understand what makes us tick.  They are coming up with ways to counter us, and our creaky defence is now being exposed as a result (which has never looked much kop).  It's up to us to adjust and adapt or find different players who can do what Garner wants more effectively.  I doubt we have a budget to do the latter so it may be a struggle for a while.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:15:13
FT 3-2 poor.

Lyden MotM and JOB following him for his 2nd half performance.

Lyden MotM, and JOB gets a pass for the first half, but I wouldn't have him anywhere near MotM.  Mckirdy and Reed were the only others that deserved a mention for me - but only just.

I thought we were so poor tonight, from top to bottom.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:15:21
Be interesting to hear what Garner says. He will no doubt focus on Mansfield penalty but hopefully he acknowledges that it was a poor performance.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:15:30
Lyden tried, but MotM performance with a 6.5 for me.

Pleased that O'Brien improved in the second half.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:18:12
Was always going to be a tough place to come, especially when you consider their form and the possible Man City hangover. Mansfield were direct, effective and managed the game well. As Caddis said they dictated the game by playing it long and high. Their pitch wasn’t the easiest surface to play on either. We seemed to mix it up a bit with some more long passes but still far too predictable and played it across the back very slowly when the game was crying out for some fast passes forward to stretch the opposition. When we were chasing the game towards the end we looked very dangerous. I thought Iandolo, Hunt and Lyden were class. JML looks dangerous until his final ball - someone on here once said it looks like he is kicking concrete and I have to say I agree for the most part apart from the one he impressively ballooned towards the corner flag from a good position. I was disappointed with the new boy from Palace’s first half but he improved. I think Conroy and Odimayo could have done better and were guilty of laborious play and a needless penalty respectively.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: stfcben on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:20:55
First of all congrats to Mansfield on the win.

Poor form us overall but I think we've been worse. At least we were creating a few chances whereas some of the games this season we've just passed it around and gone nowhere.

Incredibly frustrating watch and at 1-1 I felt the game was there for the taking. Then we just created our own problems as we so often do. Word from the ground is Odimayo won the ball but it's hard to see on iFollow due to the camera angle.

One of those where you watch us go down against a very average side and it frustrates the hell out of you that we misplace passes and pick poor options when in good positions.

Anyway, let's hope we can turn it round on Saturday. Another tough game.

Though O'Brien grew into the game (great pass for the second) and Hunt played well throughout.  


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:25:57
A difficult watch that - the pitch seemed to disrupt our passing - especially on the dug out side, and we struggled with Mansfield’s physicality - they maintained a high press all game, and in possession just put it in the channels - we didn’t deal with it well in the first half - first goal poor by O’Brien and midfield slow getting back, third just a long ball between two defenders.
At 1-1 I thought we were going to take control and win comfortably.
I wasn’t convinced the penalty was a foul (watched I-follow) and thought those are never given for us at home - be interested to hear from our fans in that end.
Also not clinical enough in their half.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:27:55
Caddis:
- MotM probably Iandolo for his goal and working hard
- Shows how poor it was that the MotM gets it for working hard, which is what all the players should do
- Friday was a carnival. At Mansfield there are 3 stands with one empty. But that's the league we are in
- Will be disappointed at the performance tonight
- Can understand why they want to play from the back. But Simpson is a big strong lad. Get it up to him and get him to hold it up
- Swindon will have a problem now as teams will see that we cant cope with a high press
- At this time of the year it is difficult to play along the ground all the time because of the state of pitches
- Not many positives tonight, but they will bounce back
- Credit to behind the scenes that we are looking towards the top of the league rather that looking down and worrying
- Squad we have is good enough to get us out of Div 2
 


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:29:55
Well that was a tough watch. Masters of our own downfall again to some extent although you can see why Mansfield are on the run they are. They are awful to watch though and surprising style for a Clough side.

Lyden MotM. Hunt, Iandolo and McKirdy also played well. The "central defence" weren't at the races. O Brien looked out of his depth first half but improved massively in the second. I thought Gladwin and JML were the wrong subs to be honest. That game was crying out for A Grant in my opinion. On to Vale. Work to do for Mr Garner


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:31:10
Shame.

All after the Lord Mayors show.

Need to stay in touch with the top.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:33:08
Caddis part 2:
- There are times where you have to upset people (not in a negative way) to boost people
- Some people don't like that and just need an arm round them


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:35:09
Garner. "Tale of 2 pens,not given to us given to them"


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:36:56
Well that was a tough watch. Masters of our own downfall again to some extent although you can see why Mansfield are on the run they are. They are awful to watch though and surprising style for a Clough side.

Lyden MotM. Hunt, Iandolo and McKirdy also played well. The "central defence" weren't at the races. O Brien looked out of his depth first half but improved massively in the second. I thought Gladwin and JML were the wrong subs to be honest. That game was crying out for A Grant in my opinion. On to Vale. Work to do for Mr Garner
Agree about the subs,we all know Williams has fitness issues but bringing Gladwin on in this game was like throwing in the towel


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:38:18
I only saw 15 minutes and that was enough to see we played like a bunch of cunts.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:38:50
Agree about the subs,we all know Williams has fitness issues but bringing Gladwin on in this game was like throwing in the towel
I was disappointed when I saw him coming on but he did do okay. He whipped a great cross into the box similar to the one McKirdy scored from at FGR away. He also made a few good long passes including to the left flank.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:39:18
I think tonight showed we need a few players in, we had absolutely nothing on the bench to change it.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:39:34
I only saw 15 minutes and that was enough to see we played like a bunch of cunts.
Depends which 15 mins you saw.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:40:36
Garner:
- Disappointing first half. Didnt compete
- Much improved 2nd half.
- Difficult pitch
- Let them build too much
- Take some positives from the second
- Didnt work hard enough or compete enough in first half
- We had stonewall penalty not given
- Their penalty: Couldnt tell whether Odimayo touched the ball. He didn't need to make the tackle
- Third goal. Didnt track the run. Not a good kick. Two defenders didnt track the run. Not good enough
- If we'd played in the first half like the second then we would have got a point or 3
- Garner doesn't want to see that again
- Need to play hard every minute of every game
- Was angry at 1/2 time
- If you dont compete you wont win
- Good response to anger at 1/2 time
- Better intensity second half.
- Cant give yourself that mountain to climb
- O'Brien: Needed to make a change with no KKH. Tough game for him. He grew as the game went on
- Mansfield are good at what they do. Pitch really heavy. Credit to Mansfield
- Second half we moved the ball quicker
- They won the duals and 50/50s in first half
- Hangover from Friday? It shouldn't have done. This was the most important game.
- Massive game at Port Vale
- Quick turn around
- Not sure we will get anyone new in by the weekend
- A defender to replace KKH? Looking at several positions we want to strengthen
- Not an easy window, especially under the embargo
- Payne is working away. Pretty sure he wont be available at the weekend
- Williams has a cut. The number of times he is fouled is ridiculous. Has a cut on his eye and bruises on legs
- Anger: Only 2 games this year when Garner was disappointed with effort. Tonight was one. When you aren't competing and working Garner doesnt like it. He doesnt want to have to lose his temper again this year


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:48:08
This was always going to be a difficult game, touch of after the Lord Mayors show, rejigged back four with an unknown defender capabilities playing against a team who are on a roll and full of effort if nothing else, and playing on a Sunday morning pitch. I guess the Port Vale game could be very similar if we do not compete.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 22:10:42
Anyone know how many we took? Didn’t look like more than 200, maybe 300 max on the tv.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 22:12:43
Anyone know how many we took? Didn’t look like more than 200, maybe 300 max on the tv.

251 I think they said. Crowd was around 4190 so not a bad effort on a Tuesday night.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: stfcjack on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 22:26:17
Anyone notice McKirdy walk off down the tunnel a few minutes after being subbed?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 22:29:23
It was as their cunt fans were baying for his blood! ‘Is it a girl, or is it a boy?’. Wankers.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 22:29:54
Anyone notice McKirdy walk off down the tunnel a few minutes after being subbed?
Yeah saw this and he got a lot of abuse from the side stand. Classic pantomime villain.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 22:38:16
H did really well not to rise to the home fans goading as they were giving him dog’s abuse when he came off including ridiculous chants referencing his long hair cut. I was willing him on to do a ‘Cantona’ into the home crowd. Mansfield players also refused to ‘take the knee’. Just saying.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 22:54:33
Anyone notice McKirdy walk off down the tunnel a few minutes after being subbed?

Got taken with a coach, think it was Scott Lindsey. Sensible management given the abuse he was receiving


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Cheltred on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:05:11
Theres no sugar coating this, we have conceded 15 goals in the last 6 games now and only 1 win in the last 6 (with how it stands).
You can't count the City cup tie, though 1 win in 5 and 11 conceded is not great!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:07:13
I don't buy that, I think we are getting found out a little now - teams have been able to watch us and understand what makes us tick.  They are coming up with ways to counter us, and our creaky defence is now being exposed as a result (which has never looked much kop).  It's up to us to adjust and adapt or find different players who can do what Garner wants more effectively.  I doubt we have a budget to do the latter so it may be a struggle for a while.
This. Port Vale at our place showed how to play against us and it’s surprised me how long it has taken for other teams to cotton on. After having our deficiencies were laid out plain for everyone to see on Friday every team is going to press us now, big test for Garner now as he will need to find a way to counteract it and sort out the defensive side. As I said earlier we desperately need a leader on that pitch to organise us and take responsibility.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:09:13
This. Port Vale at our place showed how to play against us and it’s surprised me how long it has taken for other teams to cotton on. After having our deficiencies were laid out plain for everyone to see on Friday every team is going to press us now, big test for Garner now as he will need to find a way to counteract it and sort out the defensive side. As I said earlier we desperately need a leader on that pitch to organise us and take responsibility.

It’s easy to press us high as there’s no out ball (even less so with KKH gone). The strikers don’t hold it up and don’t win headers to flick it on. Desperately need someone up top who Mckirdy can play off


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:11:33
Total over-reaction. Last league game we beat Northampton 5-2. Tonight, we lost against a team, bang in form, at home….by one goal and we were all over them second half. Chill the fuck out and hope for a play off place at the end of the season, which we would all have taken in August.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:15:22
Half of you on here seem to think we are Real Madrid! We’re fucking Swindon. One year in the top flight and one League Cup. The rest of the 100+ years a bang average Div 3 team.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:28:55
Not the best start from O'Brien

Great support for a young player on debut


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:31:55
Quote from: STFC no2 fan
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Not the best start from O'Brien
Great support for a young player on debut


it was true. it wasn't the best start. he got better as the game went on.

it's kind of the idea of the match day thread to comment on the match as it happens


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:35:03
Mansfield have broken O'Brien already

Not at all, second half he dominated.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:37:45
Great support for a young player on debut


it was true. it wasn't the best start. he got better as the game went on.

it's kind of the idea of the match day thread to comment on the match as it happens

Fair enough, just think he deserves some credit for being chucked into a tough game. He did look ‘green’ first half but then stepped up second half. Just think it’s a bit harsh to judge a young boy on debut away at Mansfield on a cold Tuesday in a new look defence.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:40:17
Watched on Ifollow and thought Lydon played well as did Williams and Mckirdy
One name that seems to be always missing in the played well comments is Conroy
Just saying 😞


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:42:55
Great support for a young player on debut


it was true. it wasn't the best start. he got better as the game went on.

it's kind of the idea of the match day thread to comment on the match as it happens
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Yes, sorry for being rude about in game comments. Obs that is the whole point of a forum. Just guess I felt protective of the young boy after seeing him up close and nervous first half and grow into a warrior in the second.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:44:26
Watched on Ifollow and thought Lydon played well as did Williams and Mckirdy
One name that seems to be always missing in the played well comments is Conroy
Just saying 😞

Dion was immense away vs Newport


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 23:49:42
All this anti-Conroy bollocks seemed to be on the back burner before Barrow when he’d captained us to an auto promotion place. Honestly, give over, you critics. He’s a champ level player who is playing L2 as of injuries. He stuck with us for the whole of Sheridan and we’ve stuck with him since the day of his first major injury at the CG.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 00:00:27
Just saying
Conroy as our more senior player and captain surely needs to be more dominate  Greer type llader perhaps
 is required
Suggest Dion models himself on Hoddle which is fine if he had the style and skills
Remember Hoddle had S Taylor as the rock at that time.
Stan Harland had Frank Burrows
Just saying


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 00:04:40
Well done for picking out four great centre backs over the last 50 years. Obs Shaun Taylor or Hods would be great but we’ve got Dion. Sorry, what is your point?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 00:10:03
Well done for picking out four great centre backs over the last 50 years. Obs Shaun Taylor or Hods would be great but we’ve got Dion. Sorry, what is your point?

conroy hasn't played to his potential for a number of games and deserves criticism when he plays poorly.
stop sulking


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 00:11:04
Who’s better then? As from what I’ve seen Akin’s distribution is shocking at times. So who would you play at CB?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 00:18:28
Watched on Ifollow and thought Lydon played well as did Williams and Mckirdy
One name that seems to be always missing in the played well comments is Conroy
Just saying 😞

Good spelling of our Australian centre midfielder. Just saying. End of a bell.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 04:36:27
Sorry for the spelling my friend I was in Wellington Airport and using my phone.
My point is simply. I suggest that Dion Conroy is need of a different type of CB to join him if he continues in that CB position.
Yes, STFC have had many good centre halves over the last 60 years including one of the first I seem to remember being Mel Nurse.
Just saying Conroy is surely needing a strong leading player next to him allowing him to play the fancy stuff.
From my view point and was shown last night Swindon will get hassled and bullied this season moving forward.   
I still think Anthony Grant is the man and is available. For reasons BG doesn't agree.  :(


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 07:30:54
I only saw 15 minutes and that was enough to see we played like a bunch of cunts.
We didn't play great and to be fair, Mansfield deserved the win. I don't feel that we descended to the level of cuntishness though. I've seen us play worse.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 07:35:10
I’ve never liked Mansfield. Horrible little club and fans.
I have to say, my absolute pet hate when I look at other Club's forums is when I read that comment (pretty much word for word) made about us. I just think...what do you know about the Club I've supported all my life, to make such a sweeping, uninformed statement?...not having a go, just an observation...


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 07:50:58
Unfortunately we don’t have the depth in the squad to make game changers.
Simpson last night static.
There is no movement upfront apart from McKirdy who was isolated so many times last night. Take Williams off and we have no “legs”. Ward’s distribution needs to improve.
First half poor and the penalty changed the game. Second half better but wasteful in front of goal.

Hunt my MOTM.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 07:54:13
Sorry for the spelling my friend I was in Wellington Airport and using my phone.
My point is simply. I suggest that Dion Conroy is need of a different type of CB to join him if he continues in that CB position.
Yes, STFC have had many good centre halves over the last 60 years including one of the first I seem to remember being Mel Nurse.
Just saying Conroy is surely needing a strong leading player next to him allowing him to play the fancy stuff.
From my view point and was shown last night Swindon will get hassled and bullied this season moving forward.   
I still think Anthony Grant is the man and is available. For reasons BG doesn't agree.  :(

Grant should be available and playing.
Garner and Chorley have got this wrong. Crying out for some experience.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 07:55:41
Grant should be available and playing.
Garner and Chorley have got this wrong. Crying out for some experience.
I see this comment alot, who would you be dropping for him


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: lincolnred on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:13:27
Lost two many 50/50's
Simpson was poor/ Lyden was good.
No leadership or organisation at the back.
We scored two good goals.
Bloke behind me kept shouting 'Yorkshire Miners' at the Mansfield fans!!!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:22:54
I see this comment alot, who would you be dropping for him

Less about dropping players but being available.
Offers great defensive cover from midfield something that we don’t have, shithousery experience lacking in this team at present.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:26:12
Not had a good defence since PDC era  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:26:39
He’s a champ level player who is playing L2 as of injuries.
Honestly at what point has he ever looked Championship standard?! That’s just nonsense.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:34:47
It's all well and good complaining about the Mansfield fans reaction to Harry but he did go and wind them up after his goal, as he has done several times this season. I've got no problem with that but, if you dish it out, you have to be prepared to take it and any righteous indignation is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:40:19
On a side note the Mansfield fans are up there with most gloating I’ve witnessed at a game. Think their support was more focused on trying to tell us we were shit rather than chanting for their own side


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:41:28
Conroy is a good player but hasn’t been playing at his best recently.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: MarkyTee on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:42:44
Mckirdy's Insta post got alot of bites from disgruntled stags fans  :D


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:46:18
Mckirdy's Insta post got alot of bites from disgruntled stags fans  :D
What was the post?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 08:55:18
Who would I drop to bring in AG....
It was obvious that Jake OBrien was a newbie and not ready for a game such as Tuesday night. Mansfield clearly targeted him especially in the first half.
Would Grant have been silly and given away the penalty soon after STFC had drawn level Don't think so.
Anthony Grant could easily buddy up with one of the youngsters just like Gladwin and Williams do together.
BG spun a load of bollocks when he stated that Grant let the side down against Colchester when he was selected to play with to juniors.
It was clear that Grant was given a hospital pass by BG. :(


  


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:00:41
What was the post?

"shit start in a shithole has cost us 3 points" :D


Title: Re: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:14:57
Good spelling of our Australian centre midfielder. Just saying. End of a bell.
You're a bit of a prick, aren't you.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:15:40
Disappointing evening really. If we can't learn to defend properly we aren't going to be anywhere near the automatic places this season. Really poor first half, probably not helped by a heavy pitch but O'Brien looked nervy as fuck and Conroy and AK were all over the place. I thought Odimayo was very poor first half. To their credit Mansfield played us perfectly, pressing us hard, not giving us any time on the ball and their front players looked busy and dangerous. Crap start was evened out by a brilliant finish by McKirdy (more ropey goalkeeping at the near post though maybe?) who then took on the wrath of the Mansfield fans by doing the cupping the ears celebration in front of them. But then when we had a good attacking opportunity, we see a crap delivery from a corner, which allows Mansfield to break and pretty much have a free run into the box, a lunging delivery (couldn't see whether AK got the ball or not) giving Mansfield a penalty, converted and then a fairly easy goal for 3-1. We looked all at sea.

Second half much better but Mansfield had done their job in the first half. When Conroy is allowed time at the back with the ball he can find passes short and long, but his defending is just awful. One incident second half he literally watched a bouncing ball onto Maris' chest and stood off him allowing him to dribble down the wing and into the box, rather than contesting a header (which would have probably gone into touch and averted any danger) which he would have almost certainly won. I think I'd rather have Crichlow for Conroy at the moment, he is too much of a liability unfortunately, perhaps it's time to retrain him as a defensive midfielder. We had a few chances second half, unfortunately it was one of those games where Simpson looked clumsy (tired maybe?) and after bringing on JML he added an element of control and setup a great chance for McKirdy who wasted it. Good goal by Iandolo but too little too late.

Think we might get some more of this medicine at Port Vale on Saturday and the Garner out shouts may begin to get louder. 


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:27:58
Great support for a young player on debut

Since you seem to have had a bug up your arse about me last night, I am going to bite..

First off, fuck you.

Second, all of these comments need to be taken in context based on the action that is actually taking place in the game at the time - the was a live matchday thread.

Now let me give you the context.  This first post was 4 minutes into the game, we had just conceded and O'Brien was largely at fault for the goal, had chances to clear it and was bullied off of the ball.  If that had been one of our usual defenders I would have posted "that was shit defending" or so and so at blame there" but I posted, not the best of starts - what did you want me to say, "Great play lad, more of the same, please keep on doing that for the rest of the game..  What I posted was very conservative considering they had just scored an easy goal, honest and fair based on what had just happened and taking into account that he was a young player on his debut.

Not at all, second half he dominated.

And this was in response to saying that Mansfield had broken O'Brien - At the time I posted this, he was down on the floor, in their area, getting treatment for what looked like it could have been a nasty injury - hence I thought at the time that Mansfield had literally broken O'Brien.

I get that you were probably as pissed off as the rest of us last night (and you need to also think about that before telling everyone else to chill out) but a word of advise - don't trawl through a match day thread calling people out for their comments unless you understand the context - it just makes you come across as a condescending prick.

That is all..


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:40:57
Caddis:

- Can understand why they want to play from the back. But Simpson is a big strong lad. Get it up to him and get him to hold it up
- Swindon will have a problem now as teams will see that we cant cope with a high press
 

Think Caddis has nailed it on these 2 points. Vale are going to be the same as Mansfield and we are going to have a battle on our hands. Think going a bit more direct to Simpson and McKirdy might be the way forward. We certainly have the players that can play decent balls up to Simpson. Hopefully he can hold the ball up better than last night.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:42:31
Cheers to The Grim Reaper for teaching STFC No2 fan to quote post, adding plenty of entertainment value to the forum already.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:43:52
It was as their cunt fans were baying for his blood! ‘Is it a girl, or is it a boy?’. Wankers.

Sorry but McKirdy brought it on himself for celebrating in front of the home fans. It's what he does and he probably thrives on the abuse he gets back!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:44:32
Cheers to The Grim Reaper for teaching STFC No2 fan to quote post, adding plenty of entertainment value to the forum already.

Scything


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:48:25
Honestly at what point has he ever looked Championship standard?! That’s just nonsense.

I disagree with a lot of what you say at times (that's the beauty of a forum) but I think you have this spot on tbf Theakston.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:57:27
Think Caddis has nailed it on these 2 points. Vale are going to be the same as Mansfield and we are going to have a battle on our hands. Think going a bit more direct to Simpson and McKirdy might be the way forward. We certainly have the players that can play decent balls up to Simpson. Hopefully he can hold the ball up better than last night.

Agree somewhat, however until we get somebody in to help Simpson out, he is alrways going to have the odd game where he is ineffective and, well just knackered.  You can change the method of delivering to the front men all you like, but sometimes you just need something/someone fresher and different to that one man that you have asked to play most minutes this season.  Every team we play know exactly how we are going to play, and what personel will be used and when..  even we know that there will be a sub involving Williams and Gladwin somewhere between 60-70 mins.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:57:40
Think Caddis has nailed it on these 2 points. Vale are going to be the same as Mansfield and we are going to have a battle on our hands. Think going a bit more direct to Simpson and McKirdy might be the way forward. We certainly have the players that can play decent balls up to Simpson. Hopefully he can hold the ball up better than last night.

His touch is abysmal, no way he can hold it up


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:07:42
Grant should be available and playing.
Garner and Chorley have got this wrong. Crying out for some experience.
Couldn't agree more Dukey👍


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:08:57
Yep.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:11:06
His touch is abysmal, no way he can hold it up

I don't completely agree. He has games where the ball tends to bounce of him and his touch is very bad, granted. But against Northampton his touch was very good - see our first goal and his goal. I think his touch had got better as the season has progressed and once he gets the ball down he has the ability to hold off defenders and bring others into play. Last night I thought the Mansfield defence marshalled him well and he struggled.

His heading definitely requires an abundance of work however!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:12:43
Agree somewhat, however until we get somebody in to help Simpson out, he is alrways going to have the odd game where he is ineffective and, well just knackered.  You can change the method of delivering to the front men all you like, but sometimes you just need something/someone fresher and different to that one man that you have asked to play most minutes this season.  Every team we play know exactly how we are going to play, and what personel will be used and when..  even we know that there will be a sub involving Williams and Gladwin somewhere between 60-70 mins.

Yeah agree also. The lack of any plan B does now make us fairly predictable and therefore easier to play against. I guess the only option we currently have is JML to play the channels as an out ball.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:15:52
I would agree that holding the ball up isn't Simpson's game. He can't head the ball and he isn't a back to goal player. His touch is far from abysmal though. We just don't have the players to go more direct at the moment. We do need cover for Simpson this window.

It is the defence that concerns me the most. We look likely to concede at any moment. I was an advocate of Conroy coming back in for the City game if he had trained well in the lead up.  But he has been on a poor run of form of late; so is it time for a change there? A back three of AK, O Brien and Crichlow would be very inexperienced. Shame Grant is frozen out.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:16:45
Seen lots of negative comments around Garner’s substitutions and the predictable nature of them. I assume they use data to know when Williams and Gladwin are at their threshold and need taking off. Our management for players who are regularly injured has been good, we’ve got a lot of minutes out of those two compared to other clubs have managed.

Subbing Lyden who was one of our better players off did seem strange, but he’s played a lot of minutes out of the cold and it protects him for the next few weeks. Plus I thought JML influenced the game, and the switch from 5-3-2 to 5-2-1-2 created a couple of chances, most notably the one McKirdy blazed over


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:18:59
I don't completely agree. He has games where the ball tends to bounce of him and his touch is very bad, granted. But against Northampton his touch was very good - see our first goal and his goal. I think his touch had got better as the season has progressed and once he gets the ball down he has the ability to hold off defenders and bring others into play. Last night I thought the Mansfield defence marshalled him well and he struggled.

His heading definitely requires an abundance of work however!
I agree, Simpsons performances are in line with the teams. Last night he had balls flying to him at 90mph on that shit pitch the whole teams passing was off and nowhere near good enough, don't get me wrong he was still poor but his touch isn't always awful it is just what a 19 yr old on loan in league 2s touch is likely to be. Calls for Grant are a tough one as i don't see whos place he takes


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:34:37
I agree, Simpsons performances are in line with the teams. Last night he had balls flying to him at 90mph on that shit pitch the whole teams passing was off and nowhere near good enough, don't get me wrong he was still poor but his touch isn't always awful it is just what a 19 yr old on loan in league 2s touch is likely to be. Calls for Grant are a tough one as i don't see whos place he takes

Could argue he could have come in, in place of KKH to slot in at CB with Hunt going to RWB.

Not that I’d play him anyway. As much as a match fit, sharp Grant could add to our team - I think he’s gone waaaaay too long with playing proper football to be able to slot straight into our XI


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:43:41
I'm sure someone posted way back at the start of the season that Garner-ball wouldn't work so well on slow, heavy winter League Two pitches. Whoever it was is right.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 10:55:00
Conroy is a good player but hasn’t been playing at his best recently.

This and like so many have dropped off their game.
Reliance on loans will always be a high risk strategy, in our case having a significant number in our starting 11.
I look at our bench for game changers and think we don’t have them.

Taking a step back are we expecting too much this season with where we came from in August?
Probably, however we have proved that this team can compete.
Need to roll the sleeves up and become more imposing, that’s my comment around Grant, he has that experience.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 11:03:47
No leadership or organisation at the back.

This rather neutralises the argument made by many that Conroy must play come what may.

Not seen a huge amount this year so based upon admittedly two games but at both Barrow and against Man City Conroy did neither of these. It all very well being a 'ball playing CB', but if that ball playing consists of giving the ball to players who are already marked or rapidly being closed down it achieves fuck all bar ensuring that the ball is coming back at you swiftly.

At Barrow the number of times he played short passes to the full backs who were immediately under pressure and then either lost it of gave it back to him in the same place he started was ridiculous, add to that the fact that no one in the back line seemed to talk to each other as whenever a player was closed down and lost the ball from behind they never seemed to get a call or warning!

As for the second goal against City less said the better.

Not entirely Conroys fault, when you have little movement in front of you and midfield with the penetrative threat of a flaccid cock its always doing to be difficult but have the sense to play to the game not what you think you are capable of, we've had this problem even since PdC times where we seem to think that if we have a CB who can string two passes together without hitting row z he is bloody Hoddle, he ain't, you get a CB good on the ball at this level they don't tend to stay at this level.  

Is Garner to blame, to a degree yes, but equally be intelligent enough as a player to not do stupid things and think for yourself.

As for Grant being the solution to everything who knows, he will be at best rusty and from recollection his last few games for us were not exactly setting the world on fire. Also reading about his history one constant he seems to have is falling out with manager at pretty much every club he has represented so perhaps its not all down to Garner/Chorley/


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 11:06:11
Would like to see us go to a 4-3-1-2

Hunt - Conroy (if he stops trying to play like Baresi) - Crichlow/Palace lad - Iandolo (need a better left back)

Reed - Lyden - Grant (ok fat chance but should be playing now)

Williams (Gladwin as sub)

Simpson-McKirdy


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 11:07:36
This and like so many have dropped off their game.
Reliance on loans will always be a high risk strategy, in our case having a significant number in our starting 11.
I look at our bench for game changers and think we don’t have them.

Taking a step back are we expecting too much this season with where we came from in August?
Probably, however we have proved that this team can compete.
Need to roll the sleeves up and become more imposing, that’s my comment around Grant, he has that experience.

The experience comment got me thinking and looking at the line-up and the subs last night if you take out Anthony Grant, our most senior player (if I have got this right) is Jonny Williams who is 28?. For some reason I thought Rob Hunt was in his thirties, but he is only 26. This is very much a young, inexperienced side and looks like it in some games.

I was impressed with O'Toole last night for Mansfield, I thought he was their man of the match. He is 33.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 11:18:31
Would like to see us go to a 4-3-1-2

Hunt - Conroy (if he stops trying to play like Baresi) - Crichlow/Palace lad - Iandolo (need a better left back)

Reed - Lyden - Grant (ok fat chance but should be playing now)

Williams (Gladwin as sub)

Simpson-McKirdy


We tried the diamond against Bradford at home. On that showing it's not something I'm in a rush to see again!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 11:31:02
I'm sure someone posted way back at the start of the season that Garner-ball wouldn't work so well on slow, heavy winter League Two pitches. Whoever it was is right.
I think a fair few have mentioned it, I said a while back it would be the acid test for Garner and so far that is proving to be the case.

The thing is it’s not rocket science. At this level you haven’t got multi million pound fast draining hybrid pitches so you are always going to have several months of heavy, bobbly pitches. Setting up to play a style that is basically reliant on decent pitches in the bottom division has always been a recipe for problems during the winter months. He needs to be able to adapt to different conditions, just doing the same thing regardless of conditions isn’t sticking to his convictions, it’s showing a complete lack of situational awareness.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 11:33:55
The experience comment got me thinking and looking at the line-up and the subs last night if you take out Anthony Grant, our most senior player (if I have got this right) is Jonny Williams who is 28?. For some reason I thought Rob Hunt was in his thirties, but he is only 26. This is very much a young, inexperienced side and looks like it in some games.

I was impressed with O'Toole last night for Mansfield, I thought he was their man of the match. He is 33.

Is it age or games played though (from WIKI so probably not 100% accurate).

Williams has played 230 games
Payne 308
Conroy 121 (same as Iandolo)
Frenchie 331
Mckirdy 116
Hunt 176
Reed 205
Grant 626

Its a bloody weird set up as we seem to have a fair few players mid career who due to injuries (or other things) actually don't have a huge amount of experience. One would suspect that  the idea when they were (to be fair) flinging the squad together at short notice, that Baudry and Grant would be calm heads in the team, that has not happened for various reasons.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 11:47:08
It is a weird one regarding the style of play and the pitches because again it was stupid defending that cost us. We didn't play great(understatement) but did create chances and both Hunt and McKirdy both had great chances plus the ellis header. The style of football you can argue going forward works so pitch argument etc doesn't really add up.

We don't have the personnel yet to start smashing it long, their 3rd goal shows that. I think get through this month and hopefully we have recruited the style of players that allow us to mix it up


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 12:02:14
I think Jake O'Brien has proved that Garner has realised we are woefully inadequate at the back with any height, but I would have prefered someone with a bit more experience to come in at the back.

He was like a rabbit in the headlights for the first 30  mins yesterday, he didnt realise the speed of the game and the strength and pace and knowledge of the player he was marking, it was a baptism of fire.

But he grew into the game and 2nd half hardly put a foot wrong and even had a massive hand in the 2nd goal, I think he will do well for us as soon as he comes to terms witht he players around him and their positioning as they didnt help him too much early doors.

Conroy seems to have gone backwards this season, he is blatantly a good footballer but his timing in tackles and positioning seems all over the place in the last 5 or 6 games, no idea if hes fully over his injury issues but he has been pretty poor since Orient if not a little before then.

He played a couple of good raking passes which we miss when hes not playing but too often those passes are way over hit, we miss him when he isnt there but often he is the one making the mistakes, its a dog eat dog situation its a real contronym.

FWIW Odimayo also played poorly by his standards too yesterday and I don't think Crichlow is the answer either.

We really do need an old head in defence who will do the dirty defending that we seem to need in almost every game this season, although I truly don't think Garner will get in as he prefers the youth model.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 12:15:02
With O’Brian I don’t think it helped him settle being on the swamp side first half and still having pressured passes fired at him. Play pretty football higher up the pitch by all means but you just can’t do that around our own box on these pitches, it’s just asking for trouble and it also seems to set the tone for our actual defending.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 12:18:37
It is a weird one regarding the style of play and the pitches because again it was stupid defending that cost us. We didn't play great(understatement) but did create chances and both Hunt and McKirdy both had great chances plus the ellis header. The style of football you can argue going forward works so pitch argument etc doesn't really add up.

We don't have the personnel yet to start smashing it long, their 3rd goal shows that. I think get through this month and hopefully we have recruited the style of players that allow us to mix it up

Nothing to do with the pitches.

It’s still our own naivety in defence with regards to when you play it out and when to just kick the fuck out of it & our inability to fight back when we are being bullied.

Our game plan is a ‘we’ll win some, we’ll lose some’ tactic and has been all season.
As the season goes on - chances are more teams will figure us out and we’ll lose more.

We haven’t got a big squad but I don’t think we have a small squad either - what we lack is varied squad. A lot of similar types.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 12:36:35
I think Jake O'Brien has proved that Garner has realised we are woefully inadequate at the back with any height, but I would have prefered someone with a bit more experience to come in at the back.

He was like a rabbit in the headlights for the first 30  mins yesterday, he didnt realise the speed of the game and the strength and pace and knowledge of the player he was marking, it was a baptism of fire.

But he grew into the game and 2nd half hardly put a foot wrong and even had a massive hand in the 2nd goal, I think he will do well for us as soon as he comes to terms witht he players around him and their positioning as they didnt help him too much early doors.

Conroy seems to have gone backwards this season, he is blatantly a good footballer but his timing in tackles and positioning seems all over the place in the last 5 or 6 games, no idea if hes fully over his injury issues but he has been pretty poor since Orient if not a little before then.

He played a couple of good raking passes which we miss when hes not playing but too often those passes are way over hit, we miss him when he isnt there but often he is the one making the mistakes, its a dog eat dog situation its a real contronym.

FWIW Odimayo also played poorly by his standards too yesterday and I don't think Crichlow is the answer either.

We really do need an old head in defence who will do the dirty defending that we seem to need in almost every game this season, although I truly don't think Garner will get in as he prefers the youth model.

Can’t disagree with any of this but the movement in front of the back line is poor.
This makes us even more predictable and easy to set up against. We are where we are with the players in the door at present. Losing KkH big loss as lose that attacking intent and pace.
Backline is changing by game at present and coinciding with a patch of poor form. Orient without doubt not at the races.
Times like this the senior players need to demonstrate true leadership qualities.
Hoping for a bounce back against Port Vale but remain extremely concerned that our squad remains paper thin and likely to get even thinner in the coming days.
Need some additional players to freshen it up and add to some opportunity to change the game when required.

Mansfield’s front two actually worked and constantly moving.
Simpson easy to play against last night. That alone made it difficult from the first minute.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 12:40:08
Nothing to do with the pitches.

It’s still our own naivety in defence with regards to when you play it out and when to just kick the fuck out of it & our inability to fight back when we are being bullied.

Our game plan is a ‘we’ll win some, we’ll lose some’ tactic and has been all season.
As the season goes on - chances are more teams will figure us out and we’ll lose more.

We haven’t got a big squad but I don’t think we have a small squad either - what we lack is varied squad. A lot of similar types.


Yep pretty much what i said


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 12:40:56
Absolutely mate, Lyden made himself vailable a lot and played very well, Reed though seems to have gone backwards in the last few games, Lyden helped him a lot but he wasn't looking for the short pass as he usually does, not making himself available, Williams did well at times but was always looking for the foul but again he wasnt eager to get the ball as he knew he would be clumped by them.

We are outbullied in the middle by a bigger fitter more experienced side that broke with pace.

I know I have said it so often but we need a fit Anthony Grant to break up the play more but that won't happen for whatever reason so we make do with what we have got, we dont really have a ball winning defensive midfielder in the team any more and that shows with us giving the defence little protection.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 13:02:26
On the subject of Grant, I did preface my comment about using him with the notion of not knowing if he could even do it given fitness etc.

If Grant was fully match fit and raring to go, I'd be using him right now in the Conroy position.  He should be the "free" central defender, so his defensive ability is more about reading the game when required and organising people around him.  That's what a fit Grant type of player would give you and Conroy is not.  Grant is also pretty good on the ball, another attribute a Garner team would need from such a player.  The problem right now is that free central defender is in fact just one of three, with none of them seemingly aware of who has who.  The third goal last night being an extreme example - Odimayo and Conroy both let the centre forward move five yards away from them.  Neither noticed, neither pressed, neither even looked at each other to determine who was going to go - they simply looked befuddled once he had scored and I think Conroy looked irritated at Ward for the original kick (which was shit and did put us under pressure).

More problematic though, which I do not think will change, is the team does not look like one that is being trained with pragmatism in mind.  Caddis called it out in commentary - the ball down their flank was on all game, but had to be one played behind the defenders to allow Simpson to turn and run and chase.  Not one played into him or to his head to compete.  Both fullbacks had this opportunity open to them the entire game, we hardly eve took it.  Instead they would chip balls forward once the short passes had been taken away.  That seems like the way we are coached because it's a choice being made and we nearly always make the same one.  So even our out ball when pressed is one that is trying to retain possession, rather than turn a defence and create space.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 13:07:47
I can see Grant leaving before deadline day for first team football, there must be a team out there that will appreciate his talents, I'm sure he still has a few season left in him, especially if he wants to keep playing for Jamaica.

Since being here Conroy has not completed a full season, so it may be catching up with him with heavier pitches, not having had a proper pre-season either.

I suppose also he issue with only being limited to a 23 man squad means we cant carry the extra few players that are only squad players, we need more cover across most positions but some are more urgent than others.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 20:18:02
All of those calling for Grant to play are assuming he will play at the same level / be the dominant player he was in the 2019-20 championship season.
Like most of the others he was off the pace last season in L1 - no doubt the shambles off the pitch and Sheridan probably contributed to that decline.
He also had the issue that the first international break meant he was away for 4 weeks because of COVID quarantine rules, and this would have impacted on his fitness at that point.
Grant is 34 now - who is to say he will still be able to replicate the 2019-20 form rather than be more like the 2020-21 version?
The management see him in training - they are better placed to judge than we are.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thr
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 20:34:21
still think it's a behind the scenes thing to be effectively frozen out. especially against some of the players ahead of him in some of the squads we had.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 20:45:34
I just think if he trains like he played last season he isn't mobile or good enough. Probably very unpopular but he didn't set the world alight the few times he has played but its catch 22 now as he will be short of match fitness


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 20:52:03
On the subject of Grant, I did preface my comment about using him with the notion of not knowing if he could even do it given fitness etc.

If Grant was fully match fit and raring to go, I'd be using him right now in the Conroy position.  He should be the "free" central defender, so his defensive ability is more about reading the game when required and organising people around him.  That's what a fit Grant type of player would give you and Conroy is not.  Grant is also pretty good on the ball, another attribute a Garner team would need from such a player.  The problem right now is that free central defender is in fact just one of three, with none of them seemingly aware of who has who.  The third goal last night being an extreme example - Odimayo and Conroy both let the centre forward move five yards away from them.  Neither noticed, neither pressed, neither even looked at each other to determine who was going to go - they simply looked befuddled once he had scored and I think Conroy looked irritated at Ward for the original kick (which was shit and did put us under pressure).

More problematic though, which I do not think will change, is the team does not look like one that is being trained with pragmatism in mind.  Caddis called it out in commentary - the ball down their flank was on all game, but had to be one played behind the defenders to allow Simpson to turn and run and chase.  Not one played into him or to his head to compete.  Both fullbacks had this opportunity open to them the entire game, we hardly eve took it.  Instead they would chip balls forward once the short passes had been taken away.  That seems like the way we are coached because it's a choice being made and we nearly always make the same one.  So even our out ball when pressed is one that is trying to retain possession, rather than turn a defence and create space.
Without being a complete brown nose, I would pay a subscription fee for your posts/analysis Rob.

This is a big difference between Garner-ball (which is reminiscent of Luke Williams style) and Wellens-ball. Wellens was happy to use Woolery, particularly, as a physical outlet either as a wide target man or hit it into space for him to run onto to stretch the play.

Wellensball was so good because we could outpass teams or draw them onto us and hit them on the counter. The danger with Garner is it becomes like Williams where there is endless cycling of the ball without cutting edge.



Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 22:53:52
Very few Managers create systems that stand the test of time - Guardiola is a freak, Ferguson changed many times.  That's my major gripe with the attempt to instill a type of Prem Academy approach - that is designed to create talent, not winning teams.  We have seen it ourselves in the past - Ardiles created something nobody had seen before in our leagues and it worked for a a few seasons before people figured out how to nullify it.  He's not done much since as a result.

I think Wellens created something that worked, with the squad he pulled together, but it too would have needed modification.  It turned pretty loose as soon as the squad was impacted in fact.  He relied on the midfielder dropping into the full back slot and acting like a QB from wide.  That makes the opposition midfield confused - do you follow your man and vacate the middle, or hold your defensive position.  In time, people would watch how we play and find a way of countering that.

I think Garner will develop talent, we will often be nice to watch and with the right signings I think we can be in the hunt this season or even next.  I'm not sure we have the resources (financial) to do the same a level higher sticking solely to the same way of playing.

I want to be wrong though.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 23:01:26
Without being a complete brown nose, I would pay a subscription fee for your posts/analysis Rob.

This is a big difference between Garner-ball (which is reminiscent of Luke Williams style) and Wellens-ball. Wellens was happy to use Woolery, particularly, as a physical outlet either as a wide target man or hit it into space for him to run onto to stretch the play.

Wellensball was so good because we could outpass teams or draw them onto us and hit them on the counter. The danger with Garner is it becomes like Williams where there is endless cycling of the ball without cutting edge.

One big difference between the squads that Wellens and Garner has now is that Wellens had better team, we are under an embargo which limits who we can get.  If we had better players, would Garners team be more effective at sticking to the game plan.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 23:12:43
Very few Managers create systems that stand the test of time - Guardiola is a freak, Ferguson changed many times.  That's my major gripe with the attempt to instill a type of Prem Academy approach - that is designed to create talent, not winning teams.  We have seen it ourselves in the past - Ardiles created something nobody had seen before in our leagues and it worked for a a few seasons before people figured out how to nullify it.  He's not done much since as a result.

I think Wellens created something that worked, with the squad he pulled together, but it too would have needed modification.  It turned pretty loose as soon as the squad was impacted in fact.  He relied on the midfielder dropping into the full back slot and acting like a QB from wide.  That makes the opposition midfield confused - do you follow your man and vacate the middle, or hold your defensive position.  In time, people would watch how we play and find a way of countering that.

I think Garner will develop talent, we will often be nice to watch and with the right signings I think we can be in the hunt this season or even next.  I'm not sure we have the resources (financial) to do the same a level higher sticking solely to the same way of playing.

I want to be wrong though.

With the way things are at the moment with finances and Garner and his philosophies - if feels like we’re aiming to replicate Crewe.

Which will bring plaudits and niceties but not a lot of on pitch success.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 00:21:43
Just saw the highlights and the ref was about 50 yards away from the incident, and the lino was in the other half on that side.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 03:49:19
Wellens had Doyle and Yates. The opposition were, rightly, scared of leaving themselves exposed at the back they weren’t able to press effectively. Now, even with a high press, teams know we don’t play out with speed or even a long ball to put pressure on them. If the opposition lose the ball there is ample time for them to regroup whilst we fanny around with aimless passes at the back.

There is nothing wrong with what we are trying to do it’s judt that we don’t do it quickly enough and the players seem so conscious of misplacing a pass they often take the slow, ponderous option of a sideways or backwards pass.

What Garner says is correct. Keep doing what we’re doing, but do it better. The problem with that is having the players to implement it effectively - a necessity in every position. I can’t see how a lower league club can achieve using this model, though. It may well get us out of L2 some time but what then? Crewe are an example of what we are looking to replicate. Producing players to keep their club afloat financially but sacrificing any chance of long term progression. If people are happy to accept that, fair enough. It’s not for me, though.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 08:18:03
Great post Audrey

That said, we really don't have the historical financials to prove whether a club such as Swindon can survive balancing what happens on the pitch and off it.

Possibly the nearest example is Exeter and their policies.

Just stating, STFC is in a far better situation off the field today than it was 6 months ago. Hopefully things will keep inproving both on and off the field.
COYMRs       


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 08:50:42
Agree with most of what you are saying Aud.

We are only 6 months into our fresh start so while we are dealing with our historical debts etc, Garner's hands are somewhat tied with regards to player recruitment and getting the players that play his way. He has made a good start but we (and I am sure, he) can all see where the gaps are. This season was always about EFL survival. The fact we are where we are has shifted expectations and we want to push on.

As for sustainability, I see nothing wrong in the Crewe approach in producing our own players or taking non-league players and developing and selling on.

I think we can use this model to get to the championship but we need the additional revenue owning our own ground, redevelopment of it and maximising match day and commercial revenue alongside it. Our attendance is what, double that of Crewe? I think that is a point of difference.

Perhaps someone like Peterborough might be a good example - they have sold on Toney and others for good profit?


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 08:52:20
tThe difference of course between us and Crewe is they average attendances around 4,000 and we this season have averaged 8,000+. I understand the method at the moment, save money while trying to remove the debt. The embargo (that ends in the summer) means that we can't spend money anyway. I'd be surprised if Clem and co were content with being a permanent  League One and Two yo-yo team.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 09:34:44
It took Crewe years to implement their youth and training academy and costs them a pretty penny also. Their income from crowds is low (half ours this season at least) and realistically their ceiling is league 1. It also relies on batches of talented players coming through their academy. At the cup game I was chatting to some Crewe fans pre-match and I got the feeling they get what they are trying to do, but it's pretty boring and basically they are a yo-yo club between league 1 and 2. When they get a talented group it's enough to either keep them in league 1 or get them promoted from league 2 but them that group of players gets sold off, they fall back into league 2 and stay there until the next batch of decent youth players come through. It's very much rinse and repeat and I can't see our fanbase being particularly fond of that approach.

The other club mentioned is Peterborough and I reckon that's probably more a club we are trying to aspire to. They generally have smaller crowds than us (5-8k in league 1 at a guess) but are absolutely tremendous at finding players from non-league or lower down the pyramid and developing them to sell on for huge amounts. This has allowed them to get into the Championship a few times, (where to be honest they are unlikely to stay) but you now regard them as a top 8 league 1 side, they are always there or there abouts.

Bringing in Ben Chorley as our chief scout/DOF I think is key as to how we progress. We've already seen what kind of players he can bring to the club, Louis Reed and Jonny Williams for example I am sure could have got clubs in league 1 at least but have dropped down to us. Obviously we want to improve our youth team but that is going to take both time and money and in recent history aside from the really young players that get poached by Premier league sides before they have even got to first team level (which is still decent income to the club granted) and Scott Twine, we just never really get a good batch of youths that are likely to go on to have a good career at us, or are sold on for xx million quid. If we can get a mix of the Crewe and Peterborough philosophy I think we can get towards the top end of league 1 and maybe towards the Championship. I was going to say once you get there it's a leap but I look at clubs like Luton and Barnsley who have made a good stab at staying in that league without having to sell their stadium or break FPP rules etc.

As CJ said, we are 6 months into the new regime. This season we started hugely unprepared and we've managed to put together a competitive team that has got to the 3rd round of the FA Cup for the first time in however many years and doing pretty well in the league. I think we probably need to take stock and see where we are at the end of the season with Garner. Personally I have a feeling we might fall short this season given everything that is going on, and means next season we have a proper shot at glory (go on the clichés!!)


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 11:27:43
oooh. I hope that last sentence is about kkh and not more recalls .

I guess we can lose crichlow if we really have to with the bfg coming in ..


I'm going to be that man. I am never right about anything! Lucky guess.


Why would we need to consider losing Crichlow? We’ve only got 3 loan players so still got space for 2 more and no cover at the back. We’d be daft to even consider losing Crichlow as we’d be back to needing another centre back.

We'll be needing another CB then unless he somehow comes back - he was getting reasonable game time and developing without looking "way too good" yet - so not sre why he's been recalled.

Only conspiracy on my part - BFG is going to be starting and Crich would be on the bench...


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: lovestfc on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 12:20:00
Critchlow recalled !!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 12:30:41
Hot off the press.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Jimmy Qunt on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 16:15:19
Signed for Plymouth on loan!


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 16:44:34
Signed for Plymouth on loan!
Good luck to him.  Has done everything we could have hoped for from a loanee.

IMO he will be up to L1 level and leaves at a time when our defence could not be weaker.


Title: Re: Mansfield Town vs Swindon Town match day thread
Post by: Jimmy Qunt on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 16:57:01
Good luck to him.  Has done everything we could have hoped for from a loanee.

IMO he will be up to L1 level and leaves at a time when our defence could not be weaker.

Same as, good luck to him at Plymouth always tried and never let us down