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Title: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:38:53
Anyone watching later?

 :pint: :pint: :pint:


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:39:22
Hopefully the rain eases as we're heading to Tobacco Dock for this one. Should be mega.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:41:01
The big screen at home for me  :)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:43:07
Thai green curry, onion bhajis, raita, Mythos beer and a couple of sacrificial Jock friends this evening. He has a tartan face mask and a Ďsee you Jimmyí hat/wig, Iíve dug out my 2018 World Cup T-shirt - which, surprisingly, still fits!


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:44:44
Who are the locals supporting for this one Aud?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:45:30
Donít think they give a stuff, tbh.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:46:31
Shame


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:53:56
Will be at the game, first live match since Swindon vs. FGR so double excitement


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 11:55:22
At home.

Gin, crackers, smoked salmon, and blue cheese.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 12:22:07
England 3 0 or possibly more if we get an early goal. Scotland are shit and their defence even worse. England aren't shit.
I will be watching at home accompanied by wine, wine, wine and some strong cheddar on stick bread, undecided whether to put chilli marmite on it. Chilli marmite is a bit good.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, June 18, 2021, 12:28:28
Thai green curry, onion bhajis, raita, Mythos beer and a couple of sacrificial Jock friends this evening. He has a tartan face mask and a Ďsee you Jimmyí hat/wig, Iíve dug out my 2018 World Cup T-shirt - which, surprisingly, still fits!

That's a very confused supper Aud!

Will be at the game, first live match since Swindon vs. FGR so double excitement

V V jealous. Enjoy it.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 12:40:38
A joke:

It is just before Scotland v England in the Euroís Group game.
Kane goes into the English changing room to find all his team mates looking a bit glum.
"What's up?" he asks.
"Well, we're having trouble getting motivated for this game. We know it's important but it's only Scotland. They're shite and we can't be bothered".
Kane looks at them and says "Well, I reckon I can beat these by myself, you lads go down the pub."
So Kane goes out to play Scotland by himself and the rest of the English team go off for a few pints. After a few jars they wonder how the game is going, so they get the landlord to put the teletext on. A big cheer goes up as the screen reads "England 1 - Scotland 0 (Kane 10minutes)". He is beating Scotland all by himself!
Anyway, a few more pints later and the game is forgotten until someone remembers "It must be full time now, let's see how he got on". They put the teletext on.
"Result from the Stadium "England 1 (Kane 10 minutes) - Scotland 1"(Angus McShagnasty 89 minutes)".
They can't believe it, he has single handedly got a draw against Scotland!!
They rush back to the Stadium to congratulate him. They find him in the dressing room, still in his gear, sat with his head in his hands. He refuses to look at them.
"I've let you down, I've let you down."
"Don't be daft, you got a draw against Scotland , all by yourself. And they only scored at the very very end"
"No, No, I have, I've let you down...
I got sent off after 12 minutes"


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: michael on Friday, June 18, 2021, 12:52:45
If, IF, we smash Scotland, we would qualify but almost certainly then play the runners up of Group F in the first knock-out game... France or Germany or Portugal or Hungary (but probably not Hungary).

So in some ways the more that Scotland lose by, the more they win by.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:00:38
Going for a curry at 6 and then will watch the game at home with a few beers. Nothing too heavy as up early to head to get the train into the big smoke for a gin experience at Portobello Road tomorrow!

hopefully London will be de-tartan armied by then!


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:08:26
Watching at home (in Scotland, so probably won't go to the pub...)

Two other games first - Sweden v Slovakia bit of a warm up but actually quite interested in Czechs v Croatians - will give a good view as to how good that England performance was if Croatia suddenly look like a strong side.

As for the main event... look, England should win. But clearly it'll be a harder game that you'd expect against the fourth best side in the group.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:09:02
Will be watching it with booze and an 8 year old (The interesting thing will be the balance between her losing interest and her realising that if she loses interest it ceases to be an acceptable late night and she will have to go to bed!)

International football leaves me pretty cold to be honest, however, looking at the possibly over confidence on social media and flag shagging it will be hilarious if Scotland win.



Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:09:05
I'll be on the oculus later (after the game) to team up with my mate from Dundee on population one :).  He said he might not bother though  :D


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:11:21
To be fair Horlock, the last season of being a Swindon fan has led me to believe England will probably lose tonight.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:17:24
If, IF, we smash Scotland, we would qualify but almost certainly then play the runners up of Group F in the first knock-out game... France or Germany or Portugal or Hungary (but probably not Hungary).

So in some ways the more that Scotland lose by, the more they win by.

What with three teams going through I wonder whether weíll see anything like this in order to secure easy fixtures



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4Ė2_Grenada

 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4Ė2_Grenada)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:36:59
What with three teams going through I wonder whether weíll see anything like this in order to secure easy fixtures

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4Ė2_Grenada

 :eek: That is a brilliant story. Never heard it before.

(You have to copy and paste the link as the hyperlink doesn't include the whole text. But it's worth it.)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:42:36
.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZlqfhLwBnE


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 18, 2021, 13:51:49
Iíve done Kane to score, 2+ corners each team each half, both teams to get 1 booking

22/1


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:02:27
I've got a free £5 bet with PP and a free £5 bet with Bet365 again for the Scotland game. What do we think then?

I quite like the sounds of Audrey's one above.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:21:49
Skybet. Get a free £5 bet back when you place one on the game tonight.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:26:45
A quick browse on social media is somewhat entertaining. Seems that the sun has got to a few too many children, lots of  comments like "off to London to batter the Jocks". Goodness knows what it will be like if the draw leads to England v Germany later in the tournament. Jizzing over their goggle coats I expect


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:33:32
Got to beat Hungary first  ;)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:34:13
& Portugal. That is why I said "if"  :D


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:42:04
A quick browse on social media is somewhat entertaining. Seems that the sun has got to a few too many children, lots of  comments like "off to London to batter the Jocks". Goodness knows what it will be like if the draw leads to England v Germany later in the tournament. Jizzing over their goggle coats I expect

The atmosphere in Leicester Square is jovial at the moment with loads of Scots fans there but I do fear that this might turn uglier later when the goggle coat lads turn up looking for trouble. I hope to be wrong of course.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:50:48
The atmosphere in Leicester Square is jovial at the moment with loads of Scots fans there but I do fear that this might turn uglier later when the goggle coat lads turn up looking for trouble. I hope to be wrong of course.

I've been away too long. What's a goggle coat?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:51:51
I've been away too long. What's a goggle coat?

I just had to Google it myself.

My initial response was - What the fuck?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 18, 2021, 14:53:48
I've been away too long. What's a goggle coat?

One of those expensive 'designer' jackets that has a pair of goggles in the hood. I'm not completely au fait with why, but it seems to be the knuckle-draggers coat of choice.

https://www.tkmaxx.com/uk/en/kids-goldlabel/kids-designer-gold-label/green-honeycomb-print-goggle-hood-coat/p/43145570?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=OrganicShopping&utm_campaign=GoogleShopping&utm_term=4314557000802&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4sTUlauh8QIVEt1RCh0hygZlEAQYASABEgLVS_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Not entirely sure of the purpose of the goggles, whether you can actually wear them or they are for 'show'


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 15:03:23
That looks like a Kermit outfit for 160!
I think they were originally used for motor racing years ago


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 15:15:48
Sweden Slovakia game is not great but the commentary team on BBC are. Danny Murphy and a young lady, don't know who. They were pretty good in a previous game as well.
Also been impressed by the quality of refs so far. Letting the game flow and taking no shit.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 18, 2021, 15:34:20
yeah, refs have been good


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, June 18, 2021, 15:37:45
What with three teams going through I wonder whether weíll see anything like this in order to secure easy fixtures



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4Ė2_Grenada

 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4Ė2_Grenada)


Crazy, reminds me of a game in Asia, Tiger Cup I think it was called where I think neither team wanted to win. I forget why, but I remember they resorted to trying to score own goals too.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 15:40:47
I just had to Google it myself.

My initial response was - What the fuck?

I bet Crispy has one  :)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 15:57:23
That looks like a Kermit outfit for 160!
I think they were originally used for motor racing years ago

Just looks like this....

(https://www.ladbible.com/cdn-cgi/image/height=700,quality=70,format=jpeg,fit=cover,dpr=1/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-images.ladbible.com%2Fs3%2Fcontent%2F474a97c3605b463bcc08cd044d38dfd9.jpg)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 16:26:19

Crazy, reminds me of a game in Asia, Tiger Cup I think it was called where I think neither team wanted to win. I forget why, but I remember they resorted to trying to score own goals too.

All here Barry


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_AFF_Championship
 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_AFF_Championship)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 16:28:40
Quote
This tournament was marred by an unsportsmanlike match between Thailand and Indonesia during the group stage.[1] Both teams were already assured of qualification for the semi-finals, but both teams also knew that the winners of the game would face hosts Vietnam in the semi-finals, while the losing team would face surprise group winners Singapore, who were perceived to be easier opposition, and would also avoid the inconvenience of moving the team's training base from Ho Chi Minh City to Hanoi for the semi-finals.[1][2] The first half saw little action, with both teams barely making any attempt to score. During the second half both teams managed to score, resulting in a 2Ė2 score after 90 minutes. During injury time, despite two Thai defenders attempting to stop him, Indonesian defender Mursyid Effendi deliberately scored an own goal, handing Thailand a 3Ė2 victory.[2] FIFA fined both teams $40,000 for "violating the spirit of the game", while Mursyid was banned from domestic football for one year and international football for life.[3] In the semi-finals, Thailand lost to Vietnam, and Indonesia lost to Singapore. In the final, the title was to elude the hosts, as they went down 1Ė0 to unfancied Singapore in one of the competition's biggest shocks to date.[3]


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 18, 2021, 16:53:21
One of those expensive 'designer' jackets that has a pair of goggles in the hood. I'm not completely au fait with why, but it seems to be the knuckle-draggers coat of choice.

https://www.tkmaxx.com/uk/en/kids-goldlabel/kids-designer-gold-label/green-honeycomb-print-goggle-hood-coat/p/43145570?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=OrganicShopping&utm_campaign=GoogleShopping&utm_term=4314557000802&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4sTUlauh8QIVEt1RCh0hygZlEAQYASABEgLVS_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Not entirely sure of the purpose of the goggles, whether you can actually wear them or they are for 'show'

Those are epicly shit. Another reason to be glad I'm at a safe distance.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 17:27:57
Croatia v the Czechs not a fabulous game so far.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 17:32:20
Shick's nose just got a good solid whack there.  Think he's gonna get a penalty for it...


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: RobertT on Friday, June 18, 2021, 17:57:30
On the USA commentary I have, Efan Ekoku was surprised at the Penalty decision because he didn't mean it.  Not sure how that works, if he'd managed to kick a guy in the head, I am pretty sure intent would neither be here nor there, everyone would be calling for a penalty.

Croatia look a bit meh.

It likely will all mean jack shit once knock out games start getting played, but there does seem to be a big gap between teams like Italy and the rest.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 17:59:49
UK commentary and studio are the same. I don't know, I get that they're not often given but if you elbow someone in the nose to the point where their nose is spread all over the box you can't be that shocked a foul is given. Sure, it's not deliberate but it is absolutely reckless, same as a bad tackle. I'm surprised everyone seems to think it's a shocker.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 18, 2021, 18:20:07
it's a better game now


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 19:09:10
Full backs swapped out for Shaw and James, otherwise unchanged. Like that team.

Scotland seem to be going for it with two forwards and Gilmour. Brave of them, not sure it's the best game to try that but no point dying wondering I suppose.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 19:24:45
Extremely confident today. Less egos and more team. This lot seem pretty level headed. We've got way too much for them and lots of options from the bench. Can see them running around like headless chickens chasing shadows. Cone on England.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 19:26:48
Extremely confident today. Less egos and more team. This lot seem pretty level headed. We've got way too much for them and lots of options from the bench. Can see them running around like headless chickens chasing shadows. Cone on England.

My betting account agrees with you but I'll still be nervous.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: StefPol on Friday, June 18, 2021, 19:52:41
Same old England booing opposing national anthems. Never understand it as if I was a Scotland player it would just motivate me even more.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: StefPol on Friday, June 18, 2021, 19:53:11
To be fair Scotland fans booing so they are just as stupid.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 19:55:08
Local Derby innit


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:01:56
I thought that was going in


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:03:02
Scotland are playing rugby.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: StefPol on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:08:04
What a miss.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:14:39
Why did the lino run another 20 yards before putting his flag up?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:16:47
Airy atmosphere at times


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: StefPol on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:21:20
How Lee Dixon is a commentator Iíll never know.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:23:23
Not a great game yet  ::)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:27:53
Get it foooorrrrrrwaaarddd.  :D


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:29:49
Too much talking from the gantry


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:34:23
England need to change it up a gear. Too slow.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:34:26
Too much talking from the gantry

Wish I could turn Ally Mcoist off what a fucking knobend


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:35:41
Agreed :clap:


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:41:23
Watching England is like watching STFC , far to slow in the build up, and then when an attacking position slow it down and pass it back...mm


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:42:44
Absolute shite half.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:42:52
Fairly even first half, England midfield not very effective and the overall quality is poor


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: StefPol on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:43:47
Watching England is like watching STFC , far to slow in the build up, and then when an attacking position slow it down and pass it back...mm

100% agree. Against a better quality side England would struggle based on last game and a half I have watched. Then again against better sides England will be able to counter attack much better which I think is their strength.

Still think England will win the game though.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:43:58
Fairly even first half, England midfield not very effective and the overall quality is poor

England are managing to make a shite Scotland team look half decent


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:44:10
I enjoyed the first 20-25 minutes, but it went dead after that.

Moore oomph needed.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:46:31
Hmm, first half of the half a lot of fouls and physicality. Second part not a great deal of anything. Stones should have scored. Pickford good save.

Balls over the top seem to be productive, but it's wet so controling them is hard. Would be tempted to commit to that strategy and being in Rashford, but Grealish would probably be better for the conditions. Phillips not having so much impact today.

Still, second halves throughout the tournament have been brighter and more eventful. A couple of the Scots look very tired.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:50:55
I agree with Roy Keane


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:52:06
Itís pedestrian.

Itís time to get Grealish on and DCL not far after if Kane doesnít show up for the second half


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:52:11
Scotland did a hell of a lot of running and can't see them keeping it up. I expect England to pick them off in the second half. The midfield is poor but we've got a lot of options. A couple of changes need d to shake it up a bit. Rice is non existent. Phillips not much better. They are offering nothing currently.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:52:28
I agree with Souness Englands midfield is not threatening


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:54:06
DAFUQ has Sounness done with his teeth? Looks as though they've been photoshopped to make them whiter


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:55:42
Whiter than snow😀


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:57:12
Must be a pain being Southgate and knowing you simply cannot use an umbrella under any circumstances.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Ticker45 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:57:57
I am of the opinion that Southgate does not like Grealish and will not play him if he can help it. Also of the opinion tha  Southgate is effing useless.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 20:59:11
What makes you think that


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:02:37
He was a crap club manager and is tactically limited


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:04:21
What's that got to do with not liking Grealish but agree he's tactically shite


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:05:30
I am of the opinion that Southgate does not like Grealish and will not play him if he can help it. Also of the opinion tha  Southgate is effing useless.

Couldnít agree more. We have a decent squad and itís being failed by a clueless coward - in my opinion.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:05:40
So you want bring on a player to make things happen and you send Henderson and Rashford out to warm up...fuck me Southgates clueless


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:07:08
I wish we had a Klopp in charge!


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:08:56
Do we play Grealish instead of Foden? Or are you imagining playing both? I think Grealish is great, but I just think he's most useful to this squad as an impact sub.

Nearly time for him to make that impact mind.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:09:24
Southgate did well in the last tournament despite not having a great record at club level.

World Cup there was a freshness, a desire, humility & togetherness the longer Southgate has been in charge the more England have regressed to the disjointed, boring, sideways passing, unadventurous England of the last 25 years. Who struggle to break down anyone who sets up even slightly defensively.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:09:54
I wish we had a Klopp in charge!

Klopp plays three super functional shuttling midfielders and three forwards, very similar to this England side. What are you imaging your Jonathan Klopp does differently with this side?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:11:16
Do we play Grealish instead of Foden? Or are you imagining playing both? I think Grealish is great, but I just think he's most useful to this squad as an impact sub.

Nearly time for him to make that impact mind.

I think you could put Grealish in, instead of any of three attack midfielders. Heís just a bit different to the current three and offers something none of them do.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:11:43
The whole tempo changes as soon as Foden gets on the ball. We need another one of those on the pitch.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:12:30
Do we play Grealish instead of Foden? Or are you imagining playing both? I think Grealish is great, but I just think he's most useful to this squad as an impact sub.

Nearly time for him to make that impact mind.

Personnel changes


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:14:10
England are embarrassing


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:14:13
What a ball forward that was from Pickford


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:14:41
The whole tempo changes as soon as Foden gets on the ball. We need another one of those on the pitch.

Ha


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:15:26
Scotland are taking control


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:21:02
I wouldn't go that far  ;)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:23:37
We could play for 24 hours and we wouldnít score


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:24:43
May as well take Kane off as he's not getting the ball


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:25:01
Great thats the chance of a win gone then

Marcus Shatford coming on


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:26:05
What's Rashford doing with his hands


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:26:34
May as well take Kane off as he's not getting the ball

Think Kane is the real difficulty with this system. He's our best player but this style of play doesn't really suit him. England are a tricky tactical puzzle at the minute, there's a huge amount of talent but finding an approach to make the best of them is tough. Don't for one second thing Southgate is an excellent tactical manager but who is who would realistically take the job?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:28:02
Rashford for Kane is a change that suits the style of play but is a massive risk to take off the obvious goalscorer. Ballsy change for a manager accused of being a bit staid.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:30:09
This has 1-0 Scotland written all over it  :badmood:


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:30:37
Maybe Scotland will be susceptible to pace in the last 10mins, they have put in a lot of work


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:31:19
Sums up England

Free kick halfway in the Scottish half , the forwards all go forward and the taker passes all the way back to out own half....

Embarrassing

Wankers


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:32:07
Think Kane is the real difficulty with this system. He's our best player but this style of play doesn't really suit him. England are a tricky tactical puzzle at the minute, there's a huge amount of talent but finding an approach to make the best of them is tough. Don't for one second thing Southgate is an excellent tactical manager but who is who would realistically take the job?

Kane clearly isnít match fit.
Heís done nothing in both games. Should have put DCL


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:32:50
But we're no telling getting the ball into the box


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:33:34
I wouldn't go that far  ;)

They're matching us all over the pitch


Title: Re: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:34:40
Kane clearly isnít match fit.
Heís done nothing in both games. Should have put DCL
Not fit or not wanting to risk injury before his big move....

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:35:00
Kane clearly isnít match fit.
Heís done nothing in both games. Should have put DCL

Maybe. Not sure DCL is the answer but Kane hasn't offered much.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:35:43
Sterlings been poor again


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:38:31
Sterlings been poor again

Mings has been Poor
Stones has been poor
Rice has been poor
Phillips has been poor
Forden has been poor
Mount has been poor
Sterling has been poor
Jane has been poor

England has been worse than poor

Worse performance by anyone in the tournament so far


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:38:41
Sterlings been poor again

Agree with everything but the again, he did well against Croatia.

Ultimately this feels like two teams whose first priority is not to lose. Which is disappointing but understandable with the group structure. There'll be a huge amount of overreaction to this but the simple fact is we don't need to go for this because we got the win over Croatia. I don't like it, but it's a flaw of the group stage structure.


Title: England v Scotland
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:38:57
this is so shit.

like Luke Williams has taken over Southgate's body

what's up with Kane. Obviously a great player but been poor for last 2


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:40:14
Imagine how the rest of Europe must be feeling watching this


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:40:39
I'll be happy with a draw now. Like watching a league one game.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:40:57
I'm less confident of 3 0 now


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:41:25
Is Sancho injured?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:41:37
mind you, England v Ireland in Italia 90 was shit too. We are saving it for the knockouts


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:41:57
Maybe. Not sure DCL is the answer but Kane hasn't offered much.

Gives us the option to go a bit more direct.
Plan A hasnít worked for 90 minutes.
We havenít remotely tried to change it up.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:43:10
Also, donít know why pregame everyone thought this would be an easy game.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:44:02
Media hype as always


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:46:42
I don't know enough about this team but the media always blame the managers and have done for years, without really questioning that the players are nowhere near as their hype


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:47:05
Stunningly dull game. 4 points from 6 is fine but plenty to worry about in the performance - although I'm sure we'll still manage to overreact and there'll be a public enquiry about who to drop/guillotine.

Not sure it helps the Scots much either, they'll need to best Croatia in the final group game. Fair play though, they were obdurate and had the better chances, Stones header aside.

England have a lot of talent. Maybe Southgate isn't getting the best of it but most international managers are pretty average these days and I don't think he's worse than most. Amount of football played probably doesn't help.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:47:18
We rightly slaughtered Sheridan week after week because Town hardly had a shot on target.

The pick of England have just managed a single shot on target against the second lowest ranked team in the Euros.

Footballís not coming home


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:47:18
No energy. Hopefully, that will tell Southgate that he needs to change it. Nicking a win from that would have papered over the cracks.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Ticker45 on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:49:39
Bunch of very overpaid so called professionals performing as nothing really matters and led by an excuse for a manager.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:49:53
That's why I rarely watch internationals these days.

England over the years are better when they are the underdog.

Scotland always raise their game against England. Just fortunate that they don't have a quality striker.



Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:50:16
Passion?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

This is how I remember it. Football ain't what it used to be.

https://youtu.be/Y45fNsKqeKI


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:50:29
Yawn fest, too many bang average players down the spine of the team. Mings is never international standard, Rice & Phillips are are also average and offer no creativity. Still canít see what Southgate offers as a manager, everything is safe, slow and one dimensional and this was typical of him in every high pressure game where he gets found out and is unable to change the game.

Weíve been overhyped as usual but excluding a few decent attacking players we arenít anything special.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:51:04
Spot on :clap:


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:52:09
Yawn fest, too many bang average players down the spine of the team. Mings is never international standard, Rice & Phillips are are also average and offer no creativity. Still canít see what Southgate offers as a manager, everything is safe, slow and one dimensional and this was typical of him in every high pressure game where he gets found out and is unable to change the game.

Weíve been overhyped as usual but excluding a few decent attacking players we arenít anything special.

Phillips was man of the match literally one game ago. He wasn't good today, neither was anyone else (bar Pickford, who was excellent. Maybe James). Constant incredible overreactions from England fans are ridiculous.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:53:55
Not the best place to hold an interview and spot on Wrighty


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:54:50
Phillips was man of the matvh literally one game ago.
But isnít that symptomatic of the problem, he basically got it because of his energy and hard work, thereís no one showing genuine quality and taking control of the game. The Croatia game was equally as dull for the most part.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: donkey on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:55:38
I'm seeing something very different to most on here.  This was a derby, it tells us very little about the players or the manager as far as how far we can go.  Do this on Tuesday and yes there should be cause for concern.  Right now, I'm relaxed.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 21:56:50
Phillips was man of the match literally one game ago. He wasn't good today, neither was anyone else (bar Pickford, who was excellent. Maybe James). Constant incredible overreactions from England fans are ridiculous.

Yep. To call Phillips average is odd, he was superb in the first game.

There's some very good players out there, but they're doing what the manager's telling them to do.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 22:06:21
Yawn fest, too many bang average players down the spine of the team. Mings is never international standard, Rice & Phillips are are also average and offer no creativity. Still canít see what Southgate offers as a manager, everything is safe, slow and one dimensional and this was typical of him in every high pressure game where he gets found out and is unable to change the game.

Weíve been overhyped as usual but excluding a few decent attacking players we arenít anything special.

ĎInternational standardí isnít even a thing.

For example letís say Mings isnít international standard. Name me an English centre back you would have in the squad ahead of him.

International standard is all relative to whatís available. How many English centre backs are there - that are actually better than Mings?


If anything the lack of quality was displays at the top end of the pitch - so Kane, Mount, Sterling and Foden


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 22:11:13

If anything the lack of quality was displays at the top end of the pitch - so Kane, Mount, Sterling and Foden

I agree they weren't great, but by the time they got the ball, Scotland had all of their defenders back. It was Williams-esque at times.

On the odd occasion we did get the ball forward quickly we looked as though we might do something.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 18, 2021, 22:17:11
Probably worth a reminder that Portugal drew with Iceland, Austria and Hungary in the group stages of Euro 2016. Playing against defensive sides is a totally different skill to play against ones that are trying to win the game.

It may well be that we're shit at both, but don't really think this game proves anything either way.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: StefPol on Friday, June 18, 2021, 22:26:23
ĎInternational standardí isnít even a thing.

For example letís say Mings isnít international standard. Name me an English centre back you would have in the squad ahead of him.

International standard is all relative to whatís available. How many English centre backs are there - that are actually better than Mings?


If anything the lack of quality was displays at the top end of the pitch - so Kane, Mount, Sterling and Foden

Just because your the best defender for your country it doesnít mean your international standard. Thatís like saying the best San Marino striker is international standard as heís the best striker for his country.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, June 18, 2021, 22:27:19
ĎInternational standardí isnít even a thing.

For example letís say Mings isnít international standard. Name me an English centre back you would have in the squad ahead of him.

International standard is all relative to whatís available. How many English centre backs are there - that are actually better than Mings?


If anything the lack of quality was displays at the top end of the pitch - so Kane, Mount, Sterling and Foden
Again thereís no one else as we lack as a team in central defence and in midfield, I said the same in the squad thread. We are left needing to play relatively mid level Premier League players like Mings, Rice etc and with international football being closer to European football itís a double whammy as with them not being good enough to play for the top clubs they donít have experience in these kind of matches.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Moss on Friday, June 18, 2021, 22:29:03
Game was crying out for Danny Ings. A guy who creates goals for nothing in a struggling team but we leave him at home and take 15 defenders.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 18, 2021, 22:33:49
Just because your the best defender for your country it doesnít mean your international standard. Thatís like saying the best San Marino striker is international standard as heís the best striker for his country.

Yeah that is exactly it.

The best San Marino striker is the international standard for San Marino.

Thatís how international football works. You are limited to selecting player from that country. The players available set the international standard for that nation.

If England didnít pick any player who didnít meet this mythical worldwide international standard then we wouldnít even have a squad.

Otherwise, certainly in the Euros Italy and France are the only international standard teams & everyone else is just making up the numbers.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 18, 2021, 22:59:11
Is it completely fanciful to think that might have been intentional?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, June 18, 2021, 23:05:52
Loads of over-reaction tonight. We forget that game tomorrow. They remember it for the rest of their days.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 18, 2021, 23:08:25
Is it completely fanciful to think that might have been intentional?

Do you mean deliberately avoiding winning the group to avoid better teams in the knockout stages?

It's not 'completely fanciful', but I don't feel it was controlled enough for that to be the case.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 18, 2021, 23:10:53
Do you mean deliberately avoiding winning the group to avoid better teams in the knockout stages?

It's not 'completely fanciful', but I don't feel it was controlled enough for that to be the case.

Well to put it another way, the motivation to avoid defeat may have dictated the pattern of play more than the motivation to win.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, June 18, 2021, 23:56:43
England over the years are better when they are the underdog.

What?

We havenít beaten a top side in the knockouts of a major tournament in my viewing lifetime (WC Ď90 being my first memory of England)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 06:51:47
Do you mean deliberately avoiding winning the group to avoid better teams in the knockout stages?

It's not 'completely fanciful', but I don't feel it was controlled enough for that to be the case.

But doesn't 2nd place face the possibly of facing France next? Think it would be better to win the group, where a theoretically 'easier' opponent lies in wait


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 07:02:40
It was a slack performance against our oldest/biggest rivals who were up for it and, yet, rarely threatened themselves.

It happens.

Reaction post-match from both sides was insane. I understand the Scottish joy as they've not been at one of these for decades but still 1 points and 0 goals in two games...

England have the opportunity to fix the issue. If there isn't an improvement against the Czechs then the heat will be crazy.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 07:03:57
What's worrying us we don't appear to have a manager that can adapt and motivate the talented players we're supposed to have


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 07:07:58
England need the Sheridactyl


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 07:10:52
I found it odd that Kane was taken off when it needed the likes of Foden, Sancho & Grealish were needed to create chances for him


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: bennett on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 07:30:26
I wonder how much Kane is training - that's two games he's not been involved too much in and been taken off.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 07:37:22
If he's tired or down to fitness then surely Southgate should drop him or Tuesdays game to give him time to recover for the knockout stages 


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 08:20:47
What?

We havenít beaten a top side in the knockouts of a major tournament in my viewing lifetime (WC Ď90 being my first memory of England)
If you look back a little longer the pattern is that we often raise our game against the better teams - usually as a one off.  That's why we struggle to win competitions. The top teams are more consistent and can do it in successive games. Or, they can soak up pressure for 89 mins and produce one piece of magic per game to win the game. (France seemed to be doing that against Germany for the 20 mins I saw)

I watched a bit of Scotland's first game and thought they looked toothless. If England had scored one yesterday then I think they might have won convincingly. However, I thought we looked slow and ponderous. I thought that Kane played OK and I was surprised he was taken off - He had more impact than Rashford when he came on. But, I though that was an odd substitution as I don't see Rashford as someone who leads the line. I expected Sterling to go off. I also thought Grealish for Foden was odd too. Foden looked like the only player on the pitch with a bit of energy. Grealish was over hyped and Scotland nullified him by stopping him before he could get into areas that could hurt them.

Maybe primary objective for both teams was not to lose. But neither were good enough to nick it. First knockout round will likely be the end for all of the home nationals. But I think only 2 out of 3 will get there. If any do win their first knockout game then odds on they wont win the second.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 08:22:23
Southgate has a decent bunch of players, but is not a decent manager. I canít see any justification for two DMCs against Scotland. I also canít understand taking Foden off (our only bright spark) and leaving Sterling on. Our style is a bit turgid and risk averse. Show some intent for Christís sake.

Edit: Kane has been poor. Weíre also not using him correctly. If weíre not going to get him the service he needs, he may as well stay on the bench. And he is never captain materialÖ even at Spurs


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 08:58:58
Spot on :clap:


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 09:08:25
Our style is designed to play knockout games against better teams, hence the DMs and the pace on the counter. That doesn't mean we'll win those games, but it does mean we're thinking about how to win those games.

Yes, you could play differently against a team that's going to sit in with five at the back and frustrate. Maybe we even should - but we don't have to, having already got three points against Croatia and maybe Southgate's choice was playing more in our "best" structure was more important than trying to put away Scotland.

I don't for one second think he's so tactically blind that he can't see that the extra defensive player was wasted in this game - keeping them both has to be a choice with an eye on later in the tournament.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 09:10:26
Her assessment is right on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDSykB2JCIs


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: michael on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 09:52:54
Edit: Kane has been poor. Weíre also not using him correctly. If weíre not going to get him the service he needs, he may as well stay on the bench. And he is never captain materialÖ even at Spurs
Kane isnít captain at Spurs, Hugo Loris is (maybe that is your point!?). Anyway the captaincy is pretty meaningless in football, call heads or tails and do some media, thatís about it.

From the game, we got one of the results that we needed to progress. Scotland didnít get the result they needed.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 10:25:02
Some mega over-reactions for both teams. It's mad. It was an average performance in the group stage against a poor team. Forget it, move on.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 11:05:21
Some mega over-reactions for both teams. It's mad. It was an average performance in the group stage against a poor team. Forget it, move on.


100% this


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 11:12:55
On the plus side, my onion bhajis were delicious!


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 12:37:39
Whatís the chances that England concede a late goal against the Czechs to knock out Scotland again, like in 96.

I guess itís harder now that 3rd place teams can qualify


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 12:50:40
Some mega over-reactions for both teams. It's mad. It was an average performance in the group stage against a poor team. Forget it, move on.


I also think England are a poor team based around potential


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: chalkies shorts on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 13:10:39
A very poor game. Scotland are shit and we were as well. We can get a lot better, they can't. We don't lose against the Czechs, we're through.
I dont think there was anything tactical in this game re finishing second. We had a bad day at the office.
This team would beat the golden generation who were serial bottlers.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 13:10:42
Definitely think there's bit of a widespread over reaction to last night and the really conservative performance. At international tournaments, pragmatic teams definitely tend to fare much better, and we've seen that with the recent winners in Portugal and France - even with France's deluge of quality, Deschamps still plays safe and doesn't let them out the traps too much. At most of the recent tournaments as well, the eventual finalists often have a drub draw in the group stages against lesser opposition - or 3 on Portugal's case!  Not to say we are finalist worthy, but that good teams don't always blow away all opposition.

Doesn't necessarily excuse us last night, but factors like this aren't causing me to worry or panic just yet, if anything could have been the reality check/wake up call we needed. If we can find a way to play this way but get the best out of our flair players, then maybe we can do alright.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 13:13:49
The problem was Sundays performance against Croatia was hyped up and as Souness said it was OK you won but created very little and last night just confirmed we have the players but not the right manager to ignite them


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: chalkies shorts on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 13:32:55
The problem was Sundays performance against Croatia was hyped up and as Souness said it was OK you won but created very little and last night just confirmed we have the players but not the right manager to ignite them
I don't have a problem with Southgate. He's level headed and keeps the team the same. In his first tournament we got the semis of the World Cup and lets see where we finish in this one. I like him. Yes he can be a bit negative but I'm sure a lot of teams would like to avoid us. Also, we don't need to peak yet.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 13:47:06
Level headed yes and no doubts a genuine decent guy but has he got the drive and tactical awareness to get the best out of the talent that is available


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 14:06:27
Level headed yes and no doubts a genuine decent guy but has he got the drive and tactical awareness to get the best out of the talent that is available

So who would you have instead?

I don't think Southgate is especially good on tactics, but couldn't tell you who else I would have who might actually take the job. Good coaches work in club football these days, hence the best teams in the tournament being managed by Roberto Martinez, Didier Deschamps and Jogi Loew. Who is the best coach in the tournament - maybe Mancini?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Saturday, June 19, 2021, 14:09:38
If you want a manager to get the best out of the players we have you would want a Klopp, Pep, or Wenger & Fergie of old but if the FA decide to get rid of Southgate after the Euros there are very few options so it's a quandary and I can only think of Rogers


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Trollopeís Left Foot on Sunday, June 20, 2021, 10:11:47
I went to the game and canít really disagree with most things that have been posted about it. Kane canít put the ball in the net if itís not given to him- Shaw and Reece-James went forward then checked back and the passing via Rice started all over again. Foden really troubled their defence by running at them, as did Grealish when he came on (but why take Foden off?) It also got a very flat English support on its feet! Kane on form would start at any top club but needs the service. Who knows what the game plan was, but I think all of us would love to see England go for the jugular and let the opposition worry about us in the way that Italy are doing.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Sunday, June 20, 2021, 10:13:29
I went to the game and canít really disagree with most things that have been posted about it. Kane canít put the ball in the net if itís not given to him- Shaw and Reece-James went forward then checked back and the passing via Rice started all over again. Foden really troubled their defence by running at them, as did Grealish when he came on (but why take Foden off?) It also got a very flat English support on its feet! Kane on form would start at any top club but needs the service. Who knows what the game plan was, but I think all of us would love to see England go for the jugular and let the opposition worry about us in the way that Italy are doing.


Good post and nice to hear how it was from someone who watched it live


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Trollopeís Left Foot on Sunday, June 20, 2021, 10:45:37
The Scottish support was fantastic- England take note. We were next to them behind one of the goals and they were nothing but positive in the way they get behind their team. Iíve got no doubt that Scotland raise their game when they play England and the reaction to getting a point from a goalless draw was like theyíd won the World Cup. I donít think England need to panic, but as weíve seen with Town at home, playing positively gets the crowd going and the team responds accordingly.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 20, 2021, 10:57:41
Fair play to Scotland they were at the top of their game and we were nearer the bottom of ours, it will get better, I do wish Southgate would pick a side to win a game and not pick a side to not lose the game though.

Grealish for all his talent, pace and ball skills is just looking for the free kick before he looks to hurt teams, ala Twine but better. The Scots marked Kane and Sterling out of the game and had a game plan that worked.

Their fans are always very passionate and loud, as are England fans regularly, but I have always found when going to watch England home and away in the past that we are more passionate and vocal in away games than home games so that was expected.

England can play a lot lot better but I am not sure Scotland can play much better, their downfall is having Adams up front who was hugely wasteful, with a better striker they could easily have won but I think overall a draw was a fair result.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, June 21, 2021, 10:48:10
Billy Gilmour has got the Covid

Good job not one of the England players got anywhere near him on Friday night

*gag stolen from Twitter*


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 21, 2021, 10:57:43
Lets be honest it was just a bloody dour game, Scotland needed to not lose and we didn't need to win so it just petered out!

We were just boring and as we have been for years appeared to be devoid of a plan B if plan A fails after the first 25 mins. Not sure whether Kane is injured, hamstrung by the system or (as the cynic in me suspects) not pushing himself as he is after that big move one the tournament is over and with his injury record needs to be careful, he just doesn't look interested.

Media blew it up into something it wasn't and just illustrated the unknown issue is when do we get knocked out, not if.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: pantomime dame on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:04:20
Passion?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

This is how I remember it. Football ain't what it used to be.

https://youtu.be/Y45fNsKqeKI
Sadly modern football isn't about passion, except the knee bending before the game.

England's virtue signalling is first class, the problem starts when the players try to stand on two legs.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:16:30
Sadly modern football isn't about passion, except the knee bending before the game.

England's virtue signalling is first class, the problem starts when the players try to stand on two legs.

the Welsh seem to be able to do both perfectly fine.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:21:54
Billy Gilmour has got the Covid

Good job not one of the England players got anywhere near him on Friday night

*gag stolen from Twitter*

Don't know how true it is but apparently McGinn and Robertson are also out as close contacts which is going to properly hamper their chances!

Confirmed as Fake News.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: chalkies shorts on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:23:16
I think the passion bit is a load of shite. England players have as much passion as the Scots etc. The expectation and pressures are greater and that's where we historically fall down. We are serial bottlers losing to the first decent team we play in knockout games.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:26:48
Don't know how true it is but apparently McGinn and Robertson are also out as close contacts which is going to properly hamper their chances!
TBH I know it was a joke but the Gilmour hype is silly, he was average at best.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:34:05
Thought he was probably the best player on the park Friday but obviously as is often said we all see games differently


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:50:11
I don't think any player on the pitch shone for that game. Drab.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:56:37
TBH I know it was a joke but the Gilmour hype is silly, he was average at best.

The Gilmour hype isnít silly.
Heís a quality player.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Jimmy Quimm on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:58:58
The England hype is silly as the media expect too much from the likes of Mount, Rice & Philips who are not yet world class


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 21, 2021, 11:59:03
unhappy Gilmour


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: donkey on Monday, June 21, 2021, 12:26:26
I think the passion bit is a load of shite. England players have as much passion as the Scots etc. The expectation and pressures are greater and that's where we historically fall down. We are serial bottlers losing to the first decent team we play in knockout games.

Totally agree on the first point, hope you're wrong on the second...


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 21, 2021, 12:35:07
I don't think any player on the pitch shone for that game. Drab.
I agree.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, June 21, 2021, 12:40:48
Honestly if England had played as Scotland did they would have still been absolutely battered by the fans/media.

The only difference is that the expectations of England are much higher.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 21, 2021, 12:51:08
Honestly if England had played as Scotland did they would have still been absolutely battered by the fans/media.

The only difference is that the expectations of England are much higher.
Very much so, we went into this tournament EXPECTING to do well (in the press) Scotland went into it HOPING to do well but without any expectation of achieving it.

If England had won 4-0 the press would still have said "not good enough as we should have scored 6, the hype surrounding England is the same every competition, the England fans though rarely go into finals thinking we can win, the press are the ones creating the hype not the fans. Almost every England fan I speak to are more realistic in their expectations.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, June 21, 2021, 12:57:21
It's not expecting too much to want to beat one of the lowest placed teams in the competition or at least put in a better, more positive performance.

But I get that it might have been down to the manager trying to manage the campaign.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Monday, June 21, 2021, 12:59:21
Typical Swindon v Cheltenham game  :D


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 21, 2021, 13:01:15
It's not expecting too much to want to beat one of the lowest placed teams in the competition or at least put in a better, more positive performance.

But I get that it might have been down to the manager trying to manage the campaign.
Oh I agree we probably should have beaten one of the lowest placed teams, and yes it could well have been more about the 2nd part.

I want us to go out and win games, not go out and not lose them, especially when playing a poor side.

Hopefully tomorrows game he will pick a side to go out and attack and entertain rather than sitting back and containing the opposition.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, June 21, 2021, 13:16:11

Hopefully tomorrows game he will pick a side to go out and attack and entertain rather than sitting back and containing the opposition.

I'm not sure he will. We only need a point to go through.

If we wake up I reckon it won't be until the knockout stages (assuming we get there)


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, June 21, 2021, 13:24:17
My take is that history always repeats itself with England.

The media gets carried away and we look arrogant as a nation (i predicted a draw v the Jocks).
The expectation is far too high (We got a win and a draw....Wales were made out to be super heroes with the same points!)
The squad looks good and IS a good one...but over coached with emphasis on 'keeping the ball', so it ends up looking like the Town under Williams.
England Manager starts his tenure well but then falls into the old trap of not being brave and ruthless when it comes to form and injured players. Kane, who was wank for two games will still get picked and we take crocks in the squad on the basis they might get fit and suddenly come back on fire.

We do it time and time again....


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 21, 2021, 13:38:36
...and a huge bugbear of mine, all the qualifying is so heavily seeded that there are no competitive games at all.

We are technically good enough to play football like the top nations.
We arenít gritty enough to play like the lower nations.

We are footballing Inbetweeners - who try and play football like the big boy who we canít out play but we canít outfight them either.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 21, 2021, 13:42:34
We are footballing Inbetweeners - who try and play football like the big boy who we canít out play but we canít outfight them either.
A bit like Tottenham, promise a lot, have some good wins and have finished top many years ago and get into the top 4 often but almost always fade away when the pressure is on.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Monday, June 21, 2021, 13:52:28
When are Scotland having their open top bus parade?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 21, 2021, 14:26:49
Someone pointed out on Twitter, the England Scotland game was possibly how the PL would be without any foreign players.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, June 21, 2021, 14:31:26
Someone pointed out on Twitter, the England Scotland game was possibly how the PL would be without any foreign players.

I don't think so. It was down to tactics more than anything.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 21, 2021, 14:33:54
Scotlandís Billy Gilmour tested positive for Covid


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: 4D on Monday, June 21, 2021, 14:37:06
Page 12 Aud


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 21, 2021, 14:39:24
Duly noted!


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 21, 2021, 15:46:59
Someone pointed out on Twitter, the England Scotland game was possibly how the PL would be without any foreign players.

It would be right after theyíd booted the foreign players out
But - after a while Iíd suggest a lot of those players would be better off without foreign players in the Premier League as they might get more game time?

Also. Still not enough English players going abroad. We have two in this squad currently - which is more than I can remember for a very long time. Early 90s maybe.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 21, 2021, 15:57:21
It would be right after theyíd booted the foreign players out
But - after a while Iíd suggest a lot of those players would be better off without foreign players in the Premier League as they might get more game time?

Also. Still not enough English players going abroad. We have two in this squad currently - which is more than I can remember for a very long time. Early 90s maybe.

Itís 3 at the moment. Tripper, Bellingham, Sancho.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 21, 2021, 16:00:01
Beckham and Hargreaves were in the 2004 and 2006 squads while playing abroad.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 21, 2021, 18:15:08
Mount and Chilwell also isolating after coming in to contact with Gilmour

Surely, all the England players came into contact with him.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 21, 2021, 18:22:56
Mount and Chilwell also isolating after coming in to contact with Gilmour

Surely, all the England players came into contact with him.

The identity of the two suggests the Chelsea players went for a drink afterwards perhaps, or maybe just went into the Scotland dressing room to congratulate him. Clearly on the pitch isn't considered close contact, maybe not even the dressing room considering no Scots seem to be.


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, June 21, 2021, 18:35:16
The identity of the two suggests the Chelsea players went for a drink afterwards perhaps, or maybe just went into the Scotland dressing room to congratulate him. Clearly on the pitch isn't considered close contact, maybe not even the dressing room considering no Scots seem to be.

Ö. or maybe this was enough to do it:

https://twitter.com/talksport/status/1407025521553199107?s=21


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: sir windon on Monday, June 21, 2021, 19:38:00
Perhaps in the age old tradition of Premier League players they got together after the game to spit roast a female fan in their hotel room?


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: penhillbilly on Monday, June 21, 2021, 20:00:42
 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: adje on Monday, June 21, 2021, 22:44:23
Honestly if England had played as Scotland did they would have still been absolutely battered by the fans/media.

The only difference is that the expectations of England are much higher.
Exactly. If Kane had missed those 2 chances Adams had he would have been crucified. But Adams was highly praised for his performance, which to be honest was less than average, in my op


Title: Re: England v Scotland
Post by: tans on Monday, June 21, 2021, 23:13:46
Perhaps in the age old tradition of Premier League players they got together after the game to spit roast a female fan in their hotel room?

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: