Let's Get Political!

[fuzzy]

I come from a background where ID of some form was paramount so, having ID is second nature to me.

I am also not the type that looks for the dark side of any plan until I see something to cause me to change my view.

Not thinking that an ID card would result in the end of the world as we know it doesn’t make me an idiot any more than thinking the opposite makes you an idiot. All it does is put me on the opposite end of the spectrum to you.

[Mexicano Rojo]

Corbyn is a relic, a terrorist sympathiser.

Does it irk you that he has ALWAYS been on the right side of history

[Moss]

Corbyn is a relic, a terrorist sympathiser.

I thought he was opposed to the  IDF action in Palestine?

[Boy About Town]

Does it irk you that he has ALWAYS been on the right side of history

As in antisemitism? Many Jews died at the hands of the Nazis.

[No Longer Posh Red]

As in antisemitism? Many Jews died at the hands of the Nazis.

Which makes it even worse that they are trying to eradicate the Palestinians

[jevs]

I come from a background where ID of some form was paramount so, having ID is second nature to me.

I am also not the type that looks for the dark side of any plan until I see something to cause me to change my view.

Not thinking that an ID card would result in the end of the world as we know it doesn’t make me an idiot any more than thinking the opposite makes you an idiot. All it does is put me on the opposite end of the spectrum to you.
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All sounds fair enough. They're more common in the rest of Europe but then so is travel withou a passport. It'll be a major change in the UK having to have ID with you at all times though I'd have thought. I had to explain that it was entirely fine to be driving with zero ID to a German company at one point and they found the idea totally incomprehensible.

[adje]

Once you’re issued with a digital ID with I’m sure a face pic, yes very much like your passport you can be controlled.

Anything linked to the internet like smart meters can be controlled by someone else, a company, organisation or government and are fundamentally out of your control.

I have new elderly neighbours, they’ve moved to the U.K. from Hong Kong. British passport holders. Given money by China to leave HK. The Chinese control everything. You cannot say or do anything that runs contrary to the one party state.

Things you say or do are notified. And registered to your ID card. Step out of line or say anything dissenting, your cards are marked. You’re familiar with permissions within your work pc? You only have certain access, this is controlled by your IT dept dictated to by the company. Think of the company being a government.

Ah you did this, you can now only have x amount of fuel to run your car this month. No alcohol because you did that. How do they do this? Well you have to show you ID card before you can get the fuel, sorry pal, you’ve had your quota this month. That four pack of lager, er sorry, your card says no. I’ll pay you cash to turn a blind eye mate 😉 Sorry we only take card payments. BTW that little cash indiscretion gets reported to the authorities. Oh dear. No electricity for a week, that’ll teach you. Oh you have a smart meter for your gas and electricity, see how easy it is.

Bad mouthing the government on holiday? Sorry your passport is revoked. Think that’s absurd? Just ask that Father Ted writer. Irish national. Tweeting in America, arrested by FIVE armed police on arrival at Heathrow. Easy to be controlled when insidious legislation gets pushed though under the guise of protecting the people.

I could go on. 1984 is here and now.

Lastly, back to my neighbours. The Chinese government want all the British passport holders out of HK because they had free speech and privileges we take for granted and the residents took for granted. And the Chinese government agreed to carry that on when we handed that back in 2000. Slowly, slowly they’ve been changing things, just like your PC permissions, can’t access that feature you used last week? Think of your liberties being eroded bitey bit. FWIW the last company I worked for one of my fellow sales colleagues HK Chinese. She painted the same picture as my neighbours.

Sorry for the long post but you asked and I’ve tried to give you a flavour of how easy it is to be manipulated to accept things. The if you’ve nothing to hide mantra plays right into the governments hand and those that parrot that are their useful idiots.

We don't often agree but this is exactly how I see it

[Audrey]

I’ll ask the same question again.

If digital ID is the answer to curbing illegals immigration why does everyone have to have one.

Already have plenty of ID.

[Legends-Lounge]

We don't often agree but this is exactly how I see it

Hope for you there is 😉

[Legends-Lounge]

Britain is sliding into the oldest trap in the book - and the government is laying the bait. Across towns and cities, ordinary people protesting the collapse of their communities are being met not just by police lines but by choreographed mobs of left-wing activists, bussed in under banners like Stand Up to Racism. This isn't spontaneous counter-protest. It's state-sanctioned provocation.

The pattern is clear. Locals rally outside migrant hotels to demand their closure. Counter-demonstrators, backed by NGOs and shielded by police, descend to brand them "racist." The two sides clash. Cameras roll. The headlines write themselves: far-right violence, public order crisis, threat to democracy. Suddenly, the story isn't the government's betrayal over immigration - it's the need for more powers, more crackdowns, more control.

This is how you turn legitimate dissent into criminality. By baiting it, inflaming it, and then using it as the pretext for repression. The government doesn't fear the leftist mobs because those mobs serve their purpose. They fear the ordinary British majority that is waking up to the reality of demographic change, cultural erosion, and the slow replacement of their birthright. That majority must be discredited and contained - and street clashes give the state exactly the excuse it needs.

Make no mistake: none of this is accidental. A government that wanted peace would listen to the people, end the hotel racket, and restore order by defending the border. Instead, it manufactures conflict at home while waving more arrivals through from abroad. The goal isn't resolution. It's escalation - so they can claim extraordinary powers while painting patriots as extremists.

The riots aren't the breakdown of the system; they are the system.

"Counter-demonstrators, backed by NGOs and shielded by police, descend to brand them "racist.""

I was looking for the above earlier when I posted my long prose. This is also linked to the question of ID cards, control and manipulation.

Your personal politics may decry the above, which at the moment is your ‘right’, next year, five years, ten years? Will it still be your right to question the status quo?

Think it cannot happen here in a democracy? Dream on. Give an inch and they’ll take? Yeah bloody EVERYTHING. I was once told ‘never give a sucker an even break’ same applies to the government, they’re not on YOUR side, never have been, never will be. We have all been fucked over by labour and the conservatives. So many times on so many levels and at every election we fall for it again.


BTW, that also applies to those of us on the right, apparently I’m far right, a fascist, really? You, yes you, if you’re not far right in a world controlled by a leftist government, then you must be hard left/communist in a conservative controlled government.

Easy to label people who do not run with your thoughts. Easy by the government machine to smear anyone who is seen as a dissident, just for speaking their mind.

1984 tic toc, tic toc.

[Jimmy Quinn]

Excellent post. You’ve nailed it

[Nemo]

Sometimes I regret learning to read.

[Steak supper]

 some people need to take a break from Facebook

[Legends-Lounge]

Excellent post. You’ve nailed it

Thank you Jim.

I actually think that most of us want the same things wether your’e left, right or sadly a Lib Dem 🤣
The question is how do we deliver it?

Sadly money is the epicentre of it. Who is going to pay for it and how much are they going to pay?

[Legends-Lounge]

Sometimes I regret learning to read.

I’m glad I persevered.