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« Reply #7065 on: Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 15:20:09 »

I looked it up because I didn't get the reference either. But you can tell by Boris' reaction he gets it instantly. Bet Leo creamed his pants when he thought of that one Cheesy

Best bit of schooling to be seen in modern times. Using the Greek classics to make the oik squirm. Fantastic!
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« Reply #7066 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 10:59:02 »

So the Scottish Appeal Court have overturned an earlier ruling that prorogation was lawful and ruled that it wasn't. Does this mean that just the Scottish MPs have to come back to parliament and we now have an SNP govt? Smiley
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« Reply #7067 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 11:12:32 »

So the Scottish Appeal Court have overturned an earlier ruling that prorogation was lawful and ruled that it wasn't. Does this mean that just the Scottish MPs have to come back to parliament and we now have an SNP govt? Smiley

Presumably what once used to be The Conservative and Unionist Party, but is now effectivly the English National Party will ignore it
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« Reply #7068 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 11:20:10 »

Presumably what once used to be The Conservative and Unionist Party, but is now effectivly the English National Party will ignore it
tbf, I wasn't being entirely serious. There are multiple cases working their way through the English, Irish and Scottish courts and the Supreme Court has set aside time to hear a unified case of all of them when they make their way there (assuming they do) in about a week or so
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« Reply #7069 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 11:22:02 »

Goes to the UK high court on Tuesday
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« Reply #7070 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 11:27:19 »

Goes to the UK high court on Tuesday
Supremes on Tuesday according to the Graun
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/11/scottish-judges-rule-boris-johnsons-prorogation-unlawful

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« Reply #7071 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 11:44:57 »

Yeah sorry, Supreme Court
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« Reply #7072 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 12:26:39 »

Yeah sorry, Supreme Court
I knew what you meant, I just wanted to post the YouTube clip Smiley
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« Reply #7073 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 12:52:42 »

This is interesting: thread from a constitutional expert on the impact of the Scottish court case.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1171730033750228993

TLDR: Scots law different from rest of UK, so case unlikely to succeed in Supremes;
The court found that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen to get prorogation, the first time a court has ever found that a PM lied to the monarch. In words of the constitutional expert, "Wow. Just Wow".

Isn't that treason?
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« Reply #7074 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 12:57:48 »

Fair play to Robert Buckland though, standing up to the Brexit loonies claiming the Scottish court is bent/traitors/ etc etc:

https://twitter.com/RobertBuckland/status/1171743709148454913

Although if he did have any genuine respect for the law, or indeed truth, he'd have told Johnson where he could stick his fancy robes
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« Reply #7075 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 14:10:04 »

Fair play to Robert Buckland though, standing up to the Brexit loonies claiming the Scottish court is bent/traitors/ etc etc:

https://twitter.com/RobertBuckland/status/1171743709148454913

Although if he did have any genuine respect for the law, or indeed truth, he'd have told Johnson where he could stick his fancy robes

Apparently after Rudd went, there was some speculation that Buckland might have had a change of heart, he apparently had a meeting with Johnson, in which he claims he reminded  him of the need to stick to the law
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« Reply #7076 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 14:11:48 »

Apparently after Rudd went, there was some speculation that Buckland might have had a change of heart, he apparently had a meeting with Johnson, in which he claims he reminded  him of the need to stick to the law
And Johnson promised of course he would, a pronouncement worth as much as any of his other promises, and so gave Buckland a sticking plaster for his conscience. Nonetheless, some minor credit for twice now in the last week or so publicly reminding the govt and it's more rabid supporters that actually they DO have to obey the law.
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« Reply #7077 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 14:18:12 »

At least we now know what will b on the front of the Mail and Express in the morning....

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« Reply #7078 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 14:19:35 »

Interesting reporting from Peston...

Has any member of cabinet seen the full legal advice given to the prime minister which persuaded Johnson proroguing or suspending parliament is lawful? Julian Smith asked for it, on the day cabinet was bounced into agreeing prorogation. Amber Rudd asked for it subsequently, am not aware that either got it. Instead they received a “trust me” from Johnson This could be a problem for him and ministers because the ministerial code, amended after Chilcott enquiry into the legality of going to war in Iraq, says that all ministers have right to see FULL legal advice - not just summaries - on all contentious issues. Will Cabinet now get the advice after today’s Court of Session judgement? For their own self-preservation perhaps they should see it, and have that deferred (ahem) robust cabinet debate on whether closing parliament is appropriate.
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« Reply #7079 on: Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 14:44:41 »

Fair play to Robert Buckland though, standing up to the Brexit loonies claiming the Scottish court is bent/traitors/ etc etc:

https://twitter.com/RobertBuckland/status/1171743709148454913

Although if he did have any genuine respect for the law, or indeed truth, he'd have told Johnson where he could stick his fancy robes

Buckland might come to regret speaking out, remember the silence of the LC when Dacre went after the judges previously, Johnson rewarded her with a cabinet place!
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