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« Reply #6525 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 10:37:56 »

Isn't he currently forbidden entry to the USA on account of his dodgy past and the dodgy passport he used last time?
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« Reply #6526 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 10:38:52 »

I was going to post on this, but as is often the case Dunt puts it better and more succinctly....

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/07/08/trump-ambassador-revelations-brexiters-reveal-the-trump-love

Not like the USA didn't do the same when Brown was PM (via Wikileaks).
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« Reply #6527 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 10:45:31 »

Corbyn (and Labour) now backing a second referendum. And remain.
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« Reply #6528 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 10:48:05 »

Isn't he currently forbidden entry to the USA on account of his dodgy past and the dodgy passport he used last time?
Yes, one of many entries on his extensive criminal record. Wouldn't be surprised to see Trump go for it, though, exactly the kind of far-right publicity stunt he loves. Would be of a piece with him retweeting Britun Furst  videos
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« Reply #6529 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 10:48:30 »

I see that Jeremy Corbyn is up to his old tricks again by calling for a people's vote and backing remain, in other words, we're here to make a deal. And if you don't give us exactly what we want, we'll give you exactly what you want instead.
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« Reply #6530 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:06:02 »

It's what he doesn't say that's causing a stir.  He fails (deliberately) to set out what Labour's position would be in the event of a general election.  Still trying to face both ways.

Most Remain supporters will see through this and will not be swayed by it.  But just enough will go along with it to split the Remain vote and let the Tories/Brexit party in to government again.  What a clown.
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« Reply #6531 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:06:38 »

Not like the USA didn't do the same when Brown was PM (via Wikileaks).

The US Ambassador doesn't bugger about with Memo's he does it on Camera! https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1148161708999004161
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« Reply #6532 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:10:25 »

It's what he doesn't say that's causing a stir.  He fails (deliberately) to set out what Labour's position would be in the event of a general election.  Still trying to face both ways.

Most Remain supporters will see through this and will not be swayed by it.  But just enough will go along with it to split the Remain vote and let the Tories/Brexit party in to government again.  What a clown.

Just as a point of information, Labour policy going into elections is decided at the Party Conference, not by the leader.
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« Reply #6533 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:30:50 »

OK, point taken.  But that being the case, why does Labour now not have an unequivocally Remain supporting position?  That is certainly the majority view of the Labour membership...so why was it not adopted at conference?  It's rather confusing still.
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« Reply #6534 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:33:36 »

A simple change of mind?

That, and it's a good time to start putting more pressure on Boris.
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« Reply #6535 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:38:08 »

OK, point taken.  But that being the case, why does Labour now not have an unequivocally Remain supporting position?  That is certainly the majority view of the Labour membership...so why was it not adopted at conference?  It's rather confusing still.

Conference season is in early autumn, so these statements are to be judged with that in mind... especially as there are plenty of reasons to think an election is imminent.

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« Reply #6536 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:38:27 »

Most Remain supporters will see through this and will not be swayed by it.  But just enough will go along with it to split the Remain vote and let the Tories/Brexit party in to government again.  What a clown.

Its actually not a particularly bright policy if you read it carefully, generally seems to be...

If Labour lose then they are pro remain, but if remainers are dumb enough to vote for them in numbers then they are pro a labour Brexit?

Those remainers are going to come flocking back to such a well crafted policy.
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« Reply #6537 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:50:50 »

It's what he doesn't say that's causing a stir.  He fails (deliberately) to set out what Labour's position would be in the event of a general election.  Still trying to face both ways.

Most Remain supporters will see through this and will not be swayed by it.  But just enough will go along with it to split the Remain vote and let the Tories/Brexit party in to government again.  What a clown.

Load of old rubbish. We'll find out what the manifestos are if and when a general election is called. If Labour don't campaign on a menifesto of remain, remainers won't vote for them.
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« Reply #6538 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:55:02 »

Labour will need to announce a GE Brexit policy within 24 hrs (or at the outside, days) of an election being called.  So it's probably fair to say that they already must know what that policy is.  So why not announce it now?  What's the advantage on withholding this very important detail?

As of now, I'm very suspicious of Corbyn.  It feels like he's trying to be far too clever.
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« Reply #6539 on: Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 12:02:12 »


As of now, I'm very suspicious of Corbyn.  It feels like he's trying to be far too clever.

And as always failing miserably, Corbyn's latest appeal to Remain voters: "The only way to guarantee that Labour will support Remain is not to vote us in". Ultimately he has hit the sweet spot of electoral nothing. Brexiters will find too Remainy, Remainers too Brexity.
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