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« Reply #150 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:37:41 » |
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Okay dosser, your right. David Irvine has a fucking opinion. 99% of people think he's fucking wrong, that's their fucking opinion. Challeng it, question it, don't throw the fucking cunt in prison for for it.
Does it make sense or do you need to get off your lazy fat arse and enter the real fucking world?
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« Reply #151 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:39:36 » |
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But why do you need to point out it's an opinion? What fucking else is it going to be?
The whole opinion thing is a pet hate, people seem to love wheeling it out when people disagree with them. There's no law that people can't question your opinion, or even plain state out why they think it's wrong.
I've just read back to see what you were referring to and I getcha. Wrt to the Holocaust, the numbers of Jews slaughtered must be verifiable in some way or another, i.e. it is a fact. Therefore opinions are just that in this case. As to whether the numbers are accurate or not is another matter, which is more difficult to confirm. It's the same with something like 9/11 I guess and to whether the conspiracy theories (read opinions) are true or not. |
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« Reply #152 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:40:59 » |
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Do you think throwing insults about at people who disagree helps you get your point across better?
Do you think being an arguementative, ignorant little fuckwit makes you sound clever? |
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Genius, Gentleman Explorer, French Cabaret Chantoose and Small Bets Placed and someone who knows who they are changed my signature but its only know that I can be arsed to change it....and I mean all the spelling mistakes.
Was it me? It can't have been an interesting enough event for me to remember - fB.
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« Reply #153 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:41:19 » |
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Ironside, would I be right in saying that you are in fact a traditional right wing conservative (with a small c) - as in the 1960's version - and that with the drift to the centre/left of today's Conservative party you have had no alternative but to tend towards the BNP, even though they may be far right?
I can understand that and I think that is what has pushed a lot of people in their direction. However, I think the chasm between the 60's Conservative party and the BNP is a huge one.
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« Reply #154 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:43:26 » |
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Oh, yeah that's about right Al. |
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Genius, Gentleman Explorer, French Cabaret Chantoose and Small Bets Placed and someone who knows who they are changed my signature but its only know that I can be arsed to change it....and I mean all the spelling mistakes.
Was it me? It can't have been an interesting enough event for me to remember - fB.
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« Reply #155 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:43:35 » |
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I'm not sure that argument is applicable here Ben.
Opinions are such things like 'I prefer apples to cheese'. 'Apples are made of cheese' is clearly inaccurate. Facts are facts and the two are exclusive.
Politics is very much about opinions. If it was factual then we wouldn't need political parties, MPs or a Government (I'm all for that!)
That is bollocks Whether several million people from various "undesirable" groups were exterminated by the nazi's is not the fucking same as a preference for dairy products over fruit! It's not a question of political opinion it's a question of historical fact. One opinion is a LIE designed specifically to excuse the nazi's, and the other has the weight of a fucking shit load of historical evidence and eye witness testimony. |
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« Reply #156 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:44:09 » |
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Ironside. On a previous thread you said that Abu Qatada should be "tortured to death"
do you mean that? I mean REALY mean that? or was that bullshit?
You also said the same about Jacqui Smith. Do you mean that also?
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« Reply #157 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:46:16 » |
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That is bollocks
Whether several million people from various "undesirable" groups were exterminated by the nazi's is not the fucking same as a preference for dairy products over fruit!
It's not a question of political opinion it's a question of historical fact.
One opinion is a LIE designed specifically to excuse the nazi's, and the other has the weight of a fucking shit load of historical evidence and eye witness testimony.
Who's denying the fucking holocaust here? Nobody. So what's your fucking point? are you just digging up any old shit you can fucking find, lobbing it in my direction and hoping some of sticks? And you didn't fucking answer, my fucking question. |
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Genius, Gentleman Explorer, French Cabaret Chantoose and Small Bets Placed and someone who knows who they are changed my signature but its only know that I can be arsed to change it....and I mean all the spelling mistakes.
Was it me? It can't have been an interesting enough event for me to remember - fB.
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« Reply #158 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:46:30 » |
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Be more specific with your questions please Chalkie. 1), 2) etc.
Ta.
1) So, are these 2 single issues ( immigration , EU ) more important than membership of any political party / BNP? 2) The majority of your friends / drinknig buddies, do they hold similar views? |
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« Reply #159 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:46:53 » |
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Ironside. On a previous thread you said that Abu Qatada should be "tortured to death"
do you mean that? I mean REALY mean that? or was that bullshit?
You also said the same about Jacqui Smith. Do you mean that also?
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« Reply #160 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:47:35 » |
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Do you think being an arguementative, ignorant little fuckwit makes you sound clever?
No. Although I do like to at least come across as informed. Unless I'm just having a drunken late night fightfight with someone. How much do your political views define who you are as a person? Could you see yourself being friends with someone who'd be considered as equally far left on the other side of the spectrum? |
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« Reply #161 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:49:26 » |
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1) So, are these 2 single issues ( immigration , EU ) more important than membership of any political party / BNP?
2) The majority of your friends / drinknig buddies, do they hold similar views?
1) No. These are serious issues that affect every single person living in this country and they deserve to be discussed in a sensible manner without the name calling. 2) No. Some do, some don't. Some agree with certain points, some don't. Some are black, some are white. Some are Christian, some aren't. Some are men, some are women. |
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« Reply #162 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:50:43 » |
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That is bollocks
Whether several million people from various "undesirable" groups were exterminated by the nazi's is not the fucking same as a preference for dairy products over fruit!
It's not a question of political opinion it's a question of historical fact.
One opinion is a LIE designed specifically to excuse the nazi's, and the other has the weight of a fucking shit load of historical evidence and eye witness testimony.
Whoa, hold on mate. Calm down. You have said the same thing that I did. As in discussing the difference between opinion and fact. See my subsequent post. And to think that I get worked up, eh? |
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« Reply #163 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:51:50 » |
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No. Although I do like to at least come across as informed. Unless I'm just having a drunken late night fightfight with someone.
How much do your political views define who you are as a person? Could you see yourself being friends with someone who'd be considered as equally far left on the other side of the spectrum?
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« Reply #164 on: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 20:52:37 » |
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I've just read through the entire thread and it seems to me both sides are completely avoiding answering each others questions directly, if anything Ironside's trying but he's definitely dodging the ones he doesn't like as well. Just like proper politicians  Shouldn't you all have something more boozy to do on a Saturday? |
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